Games with Names - Dudes on Wild Cards

Episode Date: January 16, 2025

It's NFL Playoff season! In honor of last weekend’s Wild Card games, we're talking about some of the wildest dudes in NFL history. Gronk and Jules start the show by giving an update on the LA fires and the status of The Nuthouse. Our first dude loves futbol almost as much as football. The next dude is so iconic he only needed to go by his initials. Our third dude was a ballhawk that was always a threat on special teams. We wrap it up by ranking some of the LEAST wild dudes in NFL history. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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or wherever you get your podcasts and you will be glad you did. Hello ladies and gentlemen. What's up guys? As you can see we're not in our normal studio. The NUT House is okay as of now though. Thank God. Ladies and gentlemen, the NUT House once again is okay for now. But it is in an evacuation zone, so we had to evacuate and thankfully we and everyone on our team is safe and evacuated for now. Over a hundred thousand people have been displaced, lives have been lost, and thousands of homes and structures have been destroyed because of this crazy fire. Our thoughts

are with everyone across the region affected by these unprecedented wildfires. This is a tragedy, and if you would like to, you know, help those impacted by the fires, we have a couple resources right here, a couple websites that you can donate to. The first one is the CaliforniaFireFoundation.org. That's C-A-FireFoundation.org. We got the Los AngelesFoodfoundation.org. We got the Los Angelesfoodbank.org.

That URL is LAfoodbank.org. Or the big organization that everyone knows of, the Red Cross organization. And the URL for that is RedCross.org. Please donate to one of those three. $5, $10, $15, $100, depending on how rich you are. Any cent helps. Anything will help, and it all adds up in the end. And Jules, I know the Nut House, which you're

the owner of the Nut House. I live in the Nut House. You live in the Nut House. I live in the Nut House. How have you been holding up, bro, throughout these tough times? Dude, it's been such a crazy week or five days, six days. I can't even tell you what day it is.

I've been off the grid for four days, getting my house prepped. I've kind of documented a lot of it, and I think we'll have some stuff going out on social on all our platforms that show that the Nuthouse is in Brentwood, which, you know, the fires got to Mulholland and Mandeville. We are the next canyon. First off, you got to say that the first responders, man, these guys and women are freaking studs.

What they've done out here. I'm just telling you guys, everyone keeps on saying apocalyptic type shit and it's that and more. My daughter's house was in another area. We were evacuated in my area. We're across towns. All of a sudden they had to evacuate with the sunset fire.

Then there's the hearse fire. This was like the craziest thing. You didn't feel safe anywhere in the city. When did you get the evacuation notice? We got it a few days ago. We didn't leave a few days ago. We had to get some stuff ready for that. I felt like Kevin McAllister,

getting my house ready for some goddamn burglaries. What did you do to protect your house? I just tell you right now, there's a sprinkler hidden every square inch of my property. I got sprinklers, I got six sprinklers on the roof. I'm sprinkling the back hill where the fire could come if it were to come. There's been ash everywhere. I've been breathing in this stuff. We've had masks, but not always.

It's been crazy. I mean, I've been taking my little dirt bike up to the top of the hill every couple hours when I was still in the zone to see the fire. I mean, I can see the fire coming from a distance. Every couple of days, it was a canyon closer, a canyon closer. You're seeing these planes, these big old 737s with the retardant in it dropping. I mean, these are huge planes, fucking huge planes that are like, I'm not joking, maybe 200 feet above these houses, just dropping.

We got some footage of that. They coming right over the Nuthouse, right over the Nuthouse. I'm on the sprinklers, shirt off, got my mask on, water and everything. All of a sudden I'm thinking I'm getting hit Sprinklers shirt off, got my mask on, water and everything. All of a sudden I'm thinking I'm getting hit with red shit. I'm getting red shit all over me almost. I mean, it's been that crazy.

Jules, you're making it sound like a war zone, man. It was a war zone and- I'm glad you're safe, brother. I'm glad you're safe and you finally evacuate. I feel like you were the last one left on your street. Is that true? I was probably, yeah, we were the last, You know, if law enforcement are listening to this, I don't know what they're talking about, we were the last.

I'll tell you one thing though, Rob. I've been in Boston for 13 years and that's my community. That's our community. We grew up there pretty much as young adults. Yeah, it's a home. It'll be a home for life, basically. That's home. You know, I've been out of this California for so long.

This is the first time I've really seen this area go through something. I mean, we had the bombings in Boston where you saw our community come together at the marathon. There's been other things. You know, this is the first time I've seen, like, a tragic event come to this area that I've been living here full time now for 18 months. And I've been really impressed with the amount of help that people have been giving just to random people.

I mean, you drive up San Vicente and there's a line of cars for all the people that lost their homes trying to get back into the Palisades. And these people are all breaking bread, drinking coffee. No one's going completely crazy, even though they're going back to see if they can find one thing from their burnt-down house. I've seen firefighters from everywhere. Vegas, Oregon. I've seen them from Northern California.

Cal Fire guys everywhere. There's Mexican firefighters that came in. We've, I think we got like 50 or 60 guys from Mexico. We got guys from Canada, the amount of help that has been coming to the area and the people and how they've been treating each other. Uh, you know, it's been really comforting and it's been really cool. I mean, this lady came from San Diego. I've been, I've been glued to the television when I've had reception because once I was in the

Nuthouse area, no power, no reception, been off grid. So like I take my little dirt bike and I would go to like where I get a little reception, throw on my YouTube TV and throw on the fire watch stuff, the footage, just from all the news outlets out here, which have been doing a great job covering to give us information on these fires. It's nuts, man. It's honestly one of the craziest things I've seen, but the only comforting thing I've seen from this,

the thing that comes to me is just like, people are helping people, and that's where we're gonna do a lot of that. As Americans, we'll get through this. Well, I appreciate you sharing your stories through these tough times Jules and I know if you've done a great, you know, you got a couple great things out there as well to help out these firefighters.

We have no snacks here at this house. Can you please explain why? What did you do with all those snacks? Julian? I mean, well, you're not worried about yourself, which is great. You know, you're worried about your house at least and you're not worried about yourself, which is great. No. You know, you're worried about your house. That's the least. And you're more worried about the firefighters as well.

I love that we can get some laughing out of this because we need it. It's been so fucking crazy. Laughter always helps out no matter the circumstances. And it's not too soon to laugh. And it's been a couple days now. And it's good to be here for a little relief, a little laughter, because I know you've been going through some tough times.

And actually, as well, you've been telling me about how you've been breathing in so much smoke and how your lungs are possibly a little damaged. So I wanted to help out as well. And I treated you the last two days to an IV vitamin bag. We've been taking NAD treatment. You can flush your toxins out. You've been breathing that air in. So I flush your system. You can flush your toxins out.

You've been breathing that air in. So I'm just trying to help out as well for you, Jules, because you saved the Nuthouse. You put all the sprinklers. The Nuthouse is not safe yet. Yes, but you have. No it isn't. God forbid.

You have done everything so far. These goddamn Santa Ana winds are coming off the goddamn mountains. We can't control them. But you have done everything so far. If you even go close to your house, if a burglary guy is trying to come to your house, he's going to get soaked and he's going to run away as soon as possible. That's how many damn splinkers you got around

and on top of your roof. You know what you're saying? There's a firehouse right down my street and I was leaving for the day today earlier when I snuck in the evac zone, didn't sneak in, have a media badge, media guy, literally had to show my Fox badge. So Fox, kudos to you, got me to my house. Fox gets you in anyway.

That's why I love working for you. So I had a bunch of Amazon packages because I always like to get a bunch of snacks for the Nut House. And I'm talking, our snack drawer is crazy. Every time you walk into the Nut House, I'm talking like you got 15 options of snacks. People like to work with good food. Yes, they do.

You know, people, you don't go hungry at the Nut House. No, don't. So, you know, we were, I was leaving, we got all this food and I, and I, I took it all and I dropped it off at the firehouse for the boys and the ladies that are, are fucking putting their lives on, on risk for to save our houses, to save our, our, our, our community, you know? So that's a lit, that's a little thing. That was just a little thing. lives on risk to save our houses, to save our community.

That's a little thing. That was just like a whatever. Once again, guys, go to CAFireFoundation.org or LAFoodBank.org or TheRedCross.org because I'm telling you right now, there are so many people that have nothing. They've lost everything. And everyone wants to sit here and say, oh, it's just a bunch of movie stars, all these rich people, this.

That's fucking bullshit, okay? That's fucking bullshit. There's a bunch of everyone out here that regardless of what you are or where you come from, there is people from all sorts of backgrounds that have absolutely nothing now from this fucking crazy fire. So if you guys can go out and please donate to help these people, go take a picture of your house, go don't don't where all your memories are made, your family's lives are made. Your kids were raised. Just go take

a look at that stuff and then pretend it's never there again because that's what happened to thousands of people out here. And I can't reiterate how this doesn't even look like reality. We didn't feel it was appropriate to deliver a Dudes on Dudes last week because of this. So this is our wild card weekend, dudes on dudes episode.

We felt like it'd be really crazy if we didn't talk about the fires and just deliver it. So we wanted to have a segment to kind of talk about it, to give it a soft launch for this week's episode. Lastly, before flying over LA, did you see it? I actually didn't see any of the fires flying into LA, but it was very foggy. It was very smoky out there,

and you couldn't really see the transparency of visibility. It wasn't so great. I couldn't even see the mountains because it was so smoky. Everyone on the plane actually had their windows up, and they were filming out the window too, just to try to capture some of what was going on. So, you can send it to your friend back you know, back on the East Coast, just so they can see the realization of everything that is going on here in L.A. But it's just amazing what the first responders have done here, all the firefighters, policemen,

keeping everyone safe, keeping all the looters out of the houses as well. And just thankful for all of them. Big time. Without them, this would be out of hand. Have you ever seen the movie This is the End? Remember when you see all of them big time. Without them, this would be out of hand. Have you ever seen the movie, This Is the End? Remember when you see all of Hollywood on fire in that movie? On Tuesday night of last week, it literally looked like that.

There were fires in all directions. I can't describe it in any words, because my vocabulary A, sucks, and B, I'm still hyped up from this shit. And the NAD got me feeling really good. I can tell, man. I can tell. So, you guys... You're rolling, baby. You're rocking and rolling.

So, guys, we miss talking. We haven't been able to get in the NUT house. We miss talking to you guys. We miss communicating with you guys. And we appreciate it if you guys were to look into the organizations once again. CAAfirefoundation.org, LAFoodBank.org, and RedCross.org.

And I want to share one last thing. It's something that I, whenever I sign an autograph, a lot of the times I'll put on this saying, tough times don't last, tough people do. You got to believe, and that's what I sincerely believe in my heart with the rebuild of everything that's going to have to happen my heart with the rebuild of everything that's gonna have to happen in this community.

These times are tough right now, but as long as we are tough, we'll get through them, and you always gotta believe. I actually stole that quote from you. You used to say it plenty of times in the locker room, Jules, and every time I go and visit a kid at the Boston Children's Hospital, and I'm making a video for a kid as well,

I always take that quote that you taught me back in the day, back in the heyday in the locker room. Hey, hey kid, let me tell you, tough times don't last, and tough people, but tough people do. And you're one of those kids that will be lasting because you're a tough kid, you're a tough SOB. So I appreciate that quote, Jules. You gotta believe.

We'll see you guys soon. Keep sticking with us. We appreciate and love your support. All right, let's get into the show. Wild card dudes. Wild card dudes, let's go. One of the wildest moments in the locker room is when we walked in and Matt Light put an actual live duck

in Donald Thomas' locker from after practice and he opens up the locker. He's terrified there's a fucking live duck in there. That was like one of the wildest things I saw. What about when I showed you my manjina? That that was usually at seven o'clock every morning. Yes, that was wild. But I thought that was that wasn't a wildcard moment

because it was so consistent. It was predictable. Welcome to Dudes on Dudes. I'm Rob Granjkowski and I'm Julian Edelman. And this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about on Dudes. I'm Rob Grankowski. And I'm Julian Edelman, and this is the show where your favorite dudes get to talk about their favorite dudes. And since it's wild card weekend,

we're talking about some of the wildest dudes in NFL history. Who are we talking about today, Rob? A pioneer in TD celebrations. How wild was it when he went to f***ing Dallas and did the star thing? Maybe a guy that should have a freaking Sharpie deal. Signs the ball. After a touchdown, takes out his sock.

I got Jules' autograph. Do-da, do-da. And a dude with one of the best nicknames ever. First off, the name change. You got to love it. He was one of the most entertaining players. He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone.

And then we wrap it up by building a Mount Rushmore of the least wildest dudes. Jules, I had never seen you wrap it up by building a Mount Rushmore of the least wildest dudes. Jules, I've never seen you wrap it up, but you just did a great job wrapping it up. Good, good, good job, you wild dude. Let's go. Dudes on Dudes is a production of iHeartRadio. On today's episode, it's wild card weekend, Rob.

Sure is, man. That's wild. So... We love wild things. Because it's wild card weekend, we thought it'd be great to talk about some dudes that are absolute wild cards. What's a wild dude to you? A wild dude is someone that's fun, spontaneous.

You really don't know what they're gonna do next. It can be good or bad. Unpredictability. Unpredictability, 100%. That's actually the best word to describe a wild card dude. But wild cards bring everything to life. They bring the energy to the stadium. They bring the energy to the locker room.

And they bring the energy to the people that are just sitting at home and watching them on TV. Who's the wildest dude you've met ever or are we talking football players? Here's a guy Richie incognito. He's wild wild card. I'm a Richie fan. I mean, you know guys wild I met him at a party way back in my party days. That's wild He's oh, he's a wild card wild dude, and I wildly loved him. Still will never forget a stupid fucking rookie fine. Yep. That's a wild card type fine.

All right, who else is wild? Nico Koudavides. He's a wild card. Yes, he is. Love that guy. He's a locker room guy, and he's wild, and he keeps that team together. No doubt about that.

Who else is there? Who's one of the wild? Oh, Ric Flair. I met Ric Flair when I was at the Monday Night Football game in Tampa this year when I was the the. Well, I was the captain of the of the crew of the of the fans. They call the fans a crew there. And I was a captain. I was on the pirate ship,

you know, waving that knife, just scaring everybody. Not the knife, but the sword. I'm scaring everybody. I was a pirate. I was a wild dude. that was a wild card. Having the bucks let me hold that sword and freaking go up and down with it, you know? So what's the difference between a buccaneer and a pirate? They're kind of the same.

I would say a pirate is more scary. A buccaneer is kind of like a good pirate. A pirate is someone that's vicious, trying to take over anything in sight. So is a pirate like a wild pirate. A pirate is someone that's vicious trying to take over anything in sight. So is a is is a. Pirate like a wild card buccaneer? Yes, yes, exactly. Actually, that game was the first time I've ever met Rick Flair.

He was wooing all over the place, but he's a wild card. Tons of great stories that I cannot tell here on air. I would have to let Rick Flair tell those stories, but man, what a legend. I looked up to him growing up as a kid when he was in WWE and every other wild thing that he has done, but he's a wild card and I love it. I love this theme, the wild card. Let's jump into it, why don't we?

Well, hold on first. What's the wildest thing you've ever done in a locker room, Jules? Wildest thing I've ever done in a locker room, Jules? Wildest thing I've ever done in a locker room. I don't, nothing, I don't have any. Come on, Jules, you fought like 20 of your own teammates. Yeah, but that wasn't in the locker room, that was in the practice room.

That kind of counts as in the locker room. I don't remember. I mean, you're right. I black out on my wildest. There's really no wild moments actually in the locker room, they're kind of more on the field. I think out on my wildest moments. There's really no wild moments actually in the locker room. They're kind of more on the field. I think one of the wildest moments in the locker room is when we walked in and Matt Light put an actual live duck

in Donald Thomas' locker from after practice and he opens up the locker, he's terrified, there's a fucking live duck in there because they call him the duck. That's a wild, that was like one of the wildest things I saw. What about when I showed you my mangina? That was usually at seven o'clock every morning.

Yes. That was wild, but I thought that was, that wasn't a wild card moment because it was so consistent. It was predictable. All right, I guess that wasn't a wild card moment then. I guess I'm not wild. I gotta do something else.

Maybe. You did wild card movements on the I guess I'm not wild. I gotta do something else. Maybe. You did wild card movements on the field. Yeah, yeah, I sure did. The ping pong games in the locker room were pretty wild. Pretty intense. Those were wild. But they're kind of predictable. We knew they were gonna be intense games, competitive. See, we can't remember the wild card moments.

We need to get like Jim Whalen on here. He would be able to give all the wild moments. Remembers them all. And he said he's gonna write a book about the Patriots one day. And he said he's going to dedicate a couple chapters to us. Love Jimbo. He's been there for a long time. That'll be a must read book right there. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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for the Bengals, Patriots, Dolphins, and the Montreal Alouettes. He was a four time All-Pro and the NFL Receiving Yards leader in 2006. Originally from Miami, he played college football for Santa Monica College and Oregon State University. Off the field, he's known for flamboyant personality and antics, including a name change,

reality TV appearances, and an active social media presence. Jules, who do you think we're talking about, buddy? Let's get on Chad Ocho Cinco. Ooh, and what's the first thing you think of, Jules, when you hear the name Chad Ojo Cinco Johnson. The first thing I think of, one of the wildest card moments or wildest moves ever, it was we drafted, or we traded for Chad,

and we went into the, we were installing the offense, and during installation, Chad O'Shea, our coach, you know Chadio. Yes, love Chadio. All right guys, we got everything, it's all good. I'm gonna let you out of meetings early. Don't be seen. We still have a team meeting. Don't be seen. We have a team meeting. So clear this up.

You got a lot of meetings early, but we have a team meeting still? We still had a meeting after. So we had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting. But Chad had to get some shit done. We got everything ready. We had a team meeting.

We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting. We had a team meeting still? We still had a meeting after, so we had like an hour and a half for a meeting until the next meeting, but Chad had to get some shit done. We got everything installed, we had a pretty smart room, and so he let us out early. Well, Chad thought it was smart.

And this is Chad's like first couple weeks there. He thought it would be smart to leave the facility and on the way out, poke his head into Bill's office and ask if he wanted anything from Starbucks. And so- That's wild. What did he think it meant to not be seen? Like to not go on Twitter?

To not post a picture online? I think he was just new and he's still trying to be friendly in the whole thing. But- Like it was a total accident total accident and then you know the next time we had a Receiver meeting in the room. Oh Shay was like fucking he got ripped a new asshole because You know, what are you doing? Let guys out early this that it just was a whole thing Just a wild like he didn't he didn't understand. But that's what I thought of.

Man, Chad's crazy. The whole kiss the baby thing, the whole it's real. He just he just goes off of what he feels off of his instincts. What do you think of when you think of Ocho? Well, first off, the name change. You got to love it. He was one of the most entertaining players, you know, in our generation while we were growing up. Yeah,

for sure. Cincinnati Bengals, that's for sure. I truly believe he's a bangle for life. He played for a couple other teams after but 100% bangle for life. He kind of put that wide receiver, you know, position on the map in that era that continue the streak going of, you know, of being kind of, you know, spontaneous, entertaining, entertaining a little bit of drama as well, but also so good at the game of football that he can pull it off and, you know, not be a problem child at all.

In some cases I would say possibly, but just overall, he was so good at the game of football. He was so quick that he could pull off all that dancing that he was doing. He could pull off all that trash talk that he was doing. He could pull off all those antics off the field during the off season that he was doing, playing soccer with the MLS teams,

kicking extra points as well during the preseason games. I mean, this guy had talent. And he had so much talent that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had. And you that he could be a wild card dude whenever he wanted because of that type of talent that he had. And you gotta appreciate that as well because it's just cool man to see just someone be themselves. That's who he is, you know?

It's not like he was doing it for a show, which it was a show, but he was truly doing it because that's just how he was born. And you gotta respect that aspect of his game and of who he is. He was like the first guy with a million followers on Twitter in the NFL, I think. Tom absolutely hated that he was on Twitter

because he was Mr. Twitter. He had like three million followers. The second highest person was like 200,000 in the NFL. And this is in 2012. He got traded to the New England Patriots and he was always on Twitter still. And Tom and Coach Balachuk were just always grilling him, like, oh, get off fricking Twitter, get off Twitter.

Doesn't help you in the game of football. But it never really, like really, I would say, what am I trying to say, affected his game? Twitter was just, back then they just acted like it did. You know? Yeah. But we just did things differently in New England and he didn't. Exactly.

He didn't. He didn't comply to it. The funniest, the point is where I'm getting to is now Tom is Mr. Instagram and Mr. Twitter now. Mr. And so like, or Mr. X. So that was the point I was getting to. Tom is Mr. X.

Well, another thing, it was always known that he loved McDonald's. Mm hmm. What's your take on that? I mean, that's kind of freaky that you could just eat McDonald's and still do that McDonald's for most of his career. And he also said it helped his body like callous for football. Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's only one guy that could possibly do this.

I mean, there's a lot of players that sometimes, you know, not sometimes eat fast food, but I'm talking like Chad did it on a daily basis, breakfast, lunch, dinner. And I saw him, he went to that corner store right on route one, right next to Gillette Stadium. There's a McDonald's there. Yeah, it's the half eat. It's half McDonald's, half liquor store thingy.

He would go there and he's always in the drive through. And I saw him one time, he pulled up and he was eating the fish filet sandwich. I like the fish filet though. What's your favorite thing at McDonald's? The coffee, bro. You like coffee?

They got legit coffee there. I don't really eat McDonald's. If I do, I get a double cheeseburger and I just take the patties off of the bread and I just eat the hamburger patties with the cheese on it. I just smash them. I mean, I think it's safe to just eat the meat, you know? What about the McGriddle?

Oh, breakfast, they got legit breakfast. Sausage, egg and cheese? The pancakes, oh, the pancakes are on fire. So I'm a breakfast guy at McDonald's. I'm not gonna really eat, you know, their lunch or dinner or anything. No Big Mac? No Big Mac.

Like if I do get the Big Mac, like I said, I'm just eating the patties only. But it's just impressive though. Chad ate that McDonald's every single day, every single day. All the body was just a machine. I mean, I guess if you get used to it, your mind is just going to know what to do with that type of, you know, nutrition. So hats off to Ocho Cinco. He's crazy.

He would like race animal. Then he race a horse. He doesn't care. He would like race animals. Didn't he race a horse? He doesn't care. He'll fight anyone. Chad is so... Do you think you could beat a horse in a race? No, no chance. I mean, would you ever race a horse? No chance.

A horse and I have one thing in common, Jules, and I'm not going to tell you what it is. Just use your wild imagination. I get it, I understand. Thank you. I understand. Thank you. Well, he raced a horse for a cherry, feed the children. He had a hundred meter start and he beat the horse,

which props to him. He's silly, always just doing silly things, man. He did silly things, but people like, when we were playing, he had elite feet. Like, his footwork was quicker than anyone I knew. And we caught him on the tail end of his career and he still had some really insanely quick feet. Meaning he could get in and out of breaks for how tall he was at 6'1". He was a real, he was a skinnier guy.

But usually when you're 6'1", it's harder for you to get in and out of breaks. But you watch his comebacks, his releases, like he was always the separation king at the top of route, at the beginning of route. He was an elite receiver. Now, with all the antics and stuff, we all remember him that because that's

probably because he didn't win, but he was a fucking elite receiver that had a lot of production for a long time in this league. He was so quick. He had the best releases in the game as well. Like you said, I think he was the quickest player. He had the quickest feet in the game of football. He was like, pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa-pa- pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, go side to side with it as well. So I'm sure he's a great line dancer as well. He won Dancing with the Stars.

Did he? Fourth came in fourth. All right. There's one thing that's always certain, he said, and that's death taxes and 85 going to always be open. Always open. You got to love him for that. And he was always open. Besides, when he got to New England. He was struggling a little bit there. Why do you think he struggled?

I just think he struggled because just the complicity of the playbook a little bit. I feel like he had the freelance to do whatever he wanted to do in Cincinnati. And then when he got to New England, it was more of a structure. This is what you gotta do. This is how you get open.

It's not like you're gonna be able to just freelance and play backyard football. I feel like he played backyard football a little bit more with the Cincinnati Bengals. Tom wanted it like that, but possibly he wanted to do it like that, but he couldn't do it like that because Tom wanted it like that.

I mean, it just didn't really work out to the tee that we wanted it to. Obviously what Coach Belichick wanted it to and as teammates as well. But there's one thing though that we wanted it to. Obviously what Coach Belichick wanted it to and as teammates as well. But there's one thing though that we know, we got blessed with the presence of Chad Ojo-Sinko for that whole entire year. And that's what is more important

is just to be around a great dude and just to see how he carried himself too. Just one of the greatest wide receivers of the game. Do you have any stories about Chad? We went out to dinner actually during training camp and he was just a great character, man. He always got the waitress wound up. He got her wound up cracking jokes.

Where'd you guys go? We went to Toby Keith's Bar and Grill right there at Patriot Place and he would be flirting and then the waitress would be flirting back with us and you're just such an awk because we were such young bucks and just how he was so spontaneous and then the waitress would be flirting back with us. And like, you're just such an awk because we were such young bucks and just how he was so spontaneous and so quick with his game.

Like the way he would speak and talk and have game, it was like his feet were running his mouth. Like, ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-ba-boom, just that quick, you know? And then what's so great about it is like, he would leave her hanging though because he would give like an outrageous tip to her. And then like, didn't leave his number or anything. Like he would get the, you know, he would leave her hanging though because he would give like an outrageous tip to her and then like didn't leave his number or anything. Like he would get the, you know,

he would get the waitress going. He just, he just get, he's just outgoing. He just likes to, he likes to push people's buttons, I think. Exactly. Give her an outrageous tip and then we all just leave and the waitress be like, oh, wait, where'd he go? Like, oh, I didn't get his number or anything.

But he would just bounce in. Chad was so fun. It was fun. Also could kick. He had a big soccer background and I think that's probably what helped him with such great feet, quick feet that he had. I mean I remember Cincinnati their kicker got hurt. He kicked a field goal. He kicked a couple field goals. I think he kicked a 30 yarder. He played in soccer leagues. I think he tried to play

in a professional league at one point. He tried out for the Kansas City MLS team during the 2011 NFL lockout. And while he was trying to do that, I was doing my wild, wild dude shit, Jules. I was at the University of Arizona during that lockout and I was at the pool parties dancing up on the, on the stage and everything at the pool parties. I was fricking pounding beers and everyone was like, oh, you're going to be in big trouble by coach Belichick after the lockout. But what did I do? I showed up and I was just as wild out

on that football field and training camp, baby. That was my favorite off season was after my rookie year because we didn't have to go in at all. At all. And I got to be wild as possible because I had a little bit of money. I was 21 years old and I was just running around college campuses just being being absolute wild maniac.

It was the greatest off season of my career. No doubt about that. What did you do during the lockout, Jules? I just told you what I was doing. I actually took a couple of classes at Kent. I was in L.A., trained out here. Didn't we have like a fucking we had like a couple of team practices at B.C. during the lockout. Remember that when we when Brady called a couple of team practices at BC during the lockout, remember that? When Brady called a couple. We did, we had about three practices at BC.

That was really cool. That just shows the leadership of Tom, just how wild of a leader he was. Tom wasn't a wild card, he was a wild leader. And that just shows why he's one of the, actually the greatest player to play. Could Chad kick the field goal kick of destiny for that you do everywhere? Yeah, 100 percent. So easy.

Yeah, he kicked an extra point in a preseason game, which that's a lot harder than kicking the kick of destiny. I mean, I don't have a line. No one's snapping it. The ball's just set. Sit in there on a tee for you and it's easy. Just a layup and fricking I miss twice. So Chad Ocho Cinko, I actually need you for the kick of destiny.

I'm actually not doing it this year, but in the future, I'll possibly be doing it again. So I want Chad Ocho Cinko as my coach or my replacement for the kick of now. What? How far is the kick of destiny? Oh, 25 yards. So it's 25 yards. I was kicking it on the 15 yard line. And so, how far do you think they would have to handicap Chad's kick

because he can kick it better. So we'd have to bring- I would say he would have to kick a 40 yarder. A 40? I think he got 40 easy though. I mean, but no. He does have 40 easy, but that's the point. I've missed the last two years, so we need someone to make it now. OK, and we want him to make it as well for the fans out there

and for FanDuel and for just the kick of destiny. But what about his TD celebrations as well? He was one of the best in the game. He wore the gold jacket that said Future Hall of Fame 2000 with two question marks as a post touchdown celebration. How about the cheerleader proposal? I actually got to take some tips from you because I'm now dating the cheerleader. I've been shadow Joe Cinco.

So you proposed in the first frickin four seconds you met her, which is pretty impressive. So call me up. I need some tips, brother. And then he was putting the football like a damn golf ball as well when he did. Did you do that ever? I never done that, man. My craziest TD celebration was just spiking the ball

or actually when I was, you know, the one in London as well when I did the booty shaking. Yeah. That was pretty impressive. And you did the soldier. I did, yeah. The soldier of guarding the Buckingham Palace. Buckingham Palace. Yes. Yeah. Now he remember he didn't he uh he took the camera once and was filming.

This was like the full generation of overly celebrated crazy get your popcorn ready celebrations by receivers. Remember like Joe Horn, he was taking cell phones out. You got Chad doing everything Chad's doing. T.O. and his celebrations. I mean just, this was like the era where they were getting fined, they were getting penalized for it too, they didn't give a, they didn't care. But it was still fun.

You know, that was the No Fun League at the time. It was, I remember that. When everyone was translating NFL as to be the No Fun League because they kept finding Ocho Cinco and all the other guys that were being entertaining, you know, to the fans, so. James Harrison or Ocho Cinco, they're fighting here soon. Super Bowl weekend, MMA style style who are you going with?

It's MMA style I'm going with obviously James Harrison. The thing is that this is how crazy chat is why the fuck are you fighting James Harrison who I think he knocked him out of a game once. James Harrison is a freak of nature he's just gonna get a hold of Ocho Cinco and just break him in half. Does Ocho think that he's gonna box him? Ocho Cinco's gonna have, yeah, boxing is a different story. It's different, this isn't boxing.

He can be quicker. This is MMA now, this is MMA style. James can put his hands on him and do whatever he wants to do to him. James plays volleyball with like 80 pound balls. Remember when he throws it over the thing? Yeah, he does. So, you know, he can catch motherfuckers. Yeah, Ocho Cinco is wild.

He's wild. I love it, though. Keep being wild, Ocho. Time. Let's go. What kind of dude is Chad Ocho Cinco, ladies and gentlemen? What kind of dude is Chad Ocho Cinco? Come on now.

I wouldn't really say freak. I mean, his feet were freaky. Freaky feet. Yes. Dude's dude. Uh, yeah, he was, man. He was all about the guys. He was brought us out to dinner. Yeah, he always invited us in New England, invited everyone around. He was a dude's dude. No doubt about that. Wiz, I won't really go that far because like I said, I think he struggled with the with our playbook a little bit. So did I. I didn't even play my rookie year because I didn't know our playbook.

It's very tough. It's a it's a very tough playbook. It's very got a dog in him, too. I mean, he don't care. He'll he'll freaking challenge anything, anyone to anything. I mean, he raced a horse. He'll box you. He doesn't care.

But I think he's I think he's a stud. I think he's a stud as well. I feel like that's- The feet. Field goal, look how he's doing off the field now. He's just, he's a lovable guy, but he was always, he always had a, he's a stud to me. He is a stud.

I mean, just the way he presented himself on the field and off the field, that's when you know you're studly, you know? He was so fast and he was such a stud that he had to race a horse, because horses are studs. So that makes Chad Ojo Cinco a stud. A stud keeps the girl waiting at the bar.

Yes. Like he did. Yes, that's for sure. Knows that, you know, he could have probably took the little lady on a date, but just did it just to, I don't know. He's a stud. On three, one, two, three, stud.

Let's get on to the next guy. All right, let's do it. Who we got? All right, you ready? The synopsis of Wild Card number two. Oh, buddy. Standing at six foot three inches and weighing 224 pounds, this dude was a prolific wide receiver in the NFL,

playing for the San Francisco 49ers, Philadelphia Eagles, Dallas Cowboys, Buffalo Bills, and the Cincinnati Bengals. Drafted in the third round of the 1996 NFL draft by the 49ers, he is renowned for his exceptional hands and ability to make plays. He ranks third in NFL history in both receiving yards and touchdowns. He was a six-time Pro Bowl selection and was named to the 2000s All-Decade Team, born in Alexander City, Alabama.

Known for his flamboyant touchdown celebrations, he was often seen as a decisive figure off the field. He was elected to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2018. Jules, what wild dude are we talking about right now, right here as wild dude number two? Let's get on T.O. T.O. Man.

Was a wild dude. What's the wildest thing that comes to your mind when you hear of Terrell Owens, AKA T.O.? The first thing that comes to my mind is him doing sit ups in front of his house on a sit up bench with all the media outside of him. Was it during his suspension? It was during his suspension

when he got suspended by the Philadelphia Eagles. And he looked yoked. He looked yoked. And he looked yoked. I remember that press conference that he did outside of his home when he was doing the sit ups and I'm telling you, I was such in shock of how yoked he was and how ripped that,

I truly didn't believe that I could play in the NFL from there because I thought that's what you had to look like in order to catch passes. Specimen. In the NFL NFL just yeah, absolute specimen, absolute freak of nature. He looked like the guy didn't have an ounce of fat on him. And I was like, damn, I want to look like that one day, man.

That guy is red. Great smile too. Yeah, he's beautiful. He is. He is. Freaking TO man. He, I grew up watching him and I saw, I mean, I remember when it just changed overnight.

He struggled with drops early in his career and then it was that wild card weekend or divisional round game against Green Bay where Steve Young almost fell in his drop and hit him down the middle of the field on a split split safety seam. And Terrell caught a ball in between three guys got crunched, made the play. They won the game.

And like from there on out, he just took off. And is that the play that he, you know, start crying after he made the catch? That just shows that someone loves the game of football as well. They have that type of emotion after a play like that and then you're crying right there and then on the field. He's an emotional guy. That's when you know you love the game of football though. When a play can make you cry.

You could tell he loved football. He liked playing football. I don't know, but he didn't love, you know, there's a lot of the team stuff where, you know, he, Andy Reid is considered probably the most, like he's a big player coach, right? From what we hear, I never played with him. Player coach that takes no, no shit. And he had to get him out.

And they traded him in the division to Cowboys. That's crazy to me. That's a wild move. I've heard though that- If you go in, if you go in division against like your rival, that's like one of the oldest rivalries in goddamn football. Philly fucking Cowboys. And he was still elite.

Like that's how wild of a dude you have to be. He was wild in all aspects. He was wild, you know, playing the game of football. He was wild off the field. He was wild with touchdown celebrations, but he was also wild with what he was going through when playing in some of the games like the broken leg or the broken ankle in the Super Bowl. That's crazy. He broke, he literally broke his ankle like two weeks

before the Super Bowl, whatever it was broken. He played against the Pats in Super Bowl 39. What he had what I think like nine receptions for 120 plus yards. Yeah. From what I recall, yes, New England won that Super Bowl baby 24 21. But obviously Philadelphia Eagles, they got us back when they beat us in what 2017. 17. That's because Julian wasn't playing. Jules, if you were playing, we would have won that game. But yeah, you had no problem on offense that year. And what's wild about it, too, is he signed a waiver to go against the doctor's orders in order

to play that game because the doctors were telling that he couldn't play because of how significant the injury was. But he was so wild, so ambitious, and loved the game of football so much. And he was so wild in his rehab that he got himself to the point where he was able to play in that Super Bowl. And like I said, I'm gonna say it again, nine receptions, 122 yards, what, two weeks after

breaking your ankle or three weeks or whatever it was? I don't know, it was actually, I think he broke it. It was week 15. It was week 15. So he had about four or five weeks to recover and play in the Super Bowl. That's fast, bro. You gotta give him credit, man.

He's like one of those ultra competitors where it doesn't matter what's going on outside the game. Whenever you put him inside the lines, he's gonna ball. And when I watch his film, he is absolutely a freak out there with how big he was, with how he could catch the ball. He looked like a titan in the middle of the field,

but he's fast, he was, you know what, you never saw anyone catch Tio from behind. Who did he remind you of? He reminded me of you. I agree with that, bro. What I loved about Tio on the field, especially his young days, bro, this guy was strong, strong, long legs, strong legs. And the most important thing was he never got tired to be that size, six, four, two hundred twenty plus pounds and to never get tired.

Yapping his mouth, doing his antics, going for over a hundred yards a game. You know what? That's impressive. Because of what? What's it because of? Because he was drafted to San Francisco and he saw how Jerry Rice was. And Jerry Rice was the most in shape, in the history of the God damn game. And I guarantee, regardless of how in shape T.O. was, Jerry was Jerry still.

And then once, I remember the day on Jerry Rice day that freaking T.O. caught 20 damn balls on Jerry Rice's last game as a Niner. But like having that horse, that rabbit horse of what Jerry Rice was helped make Tio how crazy Tio was because in the back of his mind, he's probably thinking, man, that's the greatest receiver. I'm better than him. But he saw how Jerry prepared, so he probably took a little bit of that.

That's a good point, man. Well said. And and what also made Teo so great as a football player as well, he was so explosive, so explosive. It didn't matter if it was coming right off the line into the route or after making the catch, he would just explode right up the field. And he was so strong because you could tell he was so strong because, like you said, he reminded me of me. I would just say a little bit skinnier and at the wide receiver position. So he's kind of like AJ Brown. Yes.

It reminds me of AJ Brown. And anyone that tried tackling him, he would just throw the defender right off of him. T. O. Broke Tackles. Tackles. He broke tackles like no other wide receiver broke tackles. That's why he kind of reminds me of myself. It looked like he was a mini me just running through the defense and he was so physical as well at top of the route.

That's what got him open plenty of times on top of having a deep ball and running by a defender. That's what made Tio so great and special and special as well. And that's why he's a top five receiver of all time. All time. You say he has to have five. I mean, you watch his film on like five different teams, even when he was old guy, he was still making crazy plays.

I mean, he played in a professional game, I think like four years ago at 50. Like he's still a specimen. Yes, he's playing in basketball leagues, celebrity basketball games, doesn't get tired. And he's always ready to go, man. He's never sore. I feel like every time I see him, he's just full speed.

How wild was it when he went to fucking Dallas and did the star thing? Well, what was wild? Well, that was when he was on San Francisco. He did the star thing. Emmett Smith came back and did the star thing. He's so freaking wild that he went back and did it again after scoring another touchdown.

That's how wild Tio was. He had Dallas absolutely hate him. And then what was so wild in the end is he got traded to Dallas at, you know, some point in his career from Philadelphia Eagles. And then they fell in love with him in Dallas as well because he was such a baller and so wild out there on the field and had a fricking like 50 wild

TD celebrations as well in Dallas. What other TD, I remember him doing the popcorn in the face. Oh, wait up. He tossed me a ball real quick. Yeah. Yeah, I got you here. You're Jules. Oh, oh, Tony Romo. Drop it back. Oh, it's Tio. Touchdown, baby. One of the most famous one that we saw even influence

Christian McCaffrey on one of our episodes. When he was seven years old. Seven years old, takes out, signs the ball, after a touchdown, takes out of his sock. How fucking crazy, that's kinda like when you took out the easy button on your fucking, out of the thing. Did he influence you? I got Jules' autograph, do da, do da.

I'm going right to eBay, baby, I need some money in my bank account. How much will I get, Jules? Probably 300 bucks. Did he influence you to take out the easy button? Actually, that is exactly who influenced me because once I saw the easy button in my locker when Staples sent it to me, I actually was like,

oh, I'm going to hide this behind the goal post. No, he hid something behind a goal post. That was Joe Horn with the cell phone. Ocho what? Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Ocho tried to hide the easy button. Put it this way. I was inspired by Tio and Chad Ocho

single combined, and that's what made me do the easy button, you know, celebration in practice to those two guys. And a lot of it be frickin absolutely wild. So here we go. Signed football right here. Inspired by Tio and we'll be giving this football away. Everyone one lucky fan. Best comment section in something. We'll discover what it is, but you got to do something really cool.

What else we got? We miss anything else? Yeah. What I really love about Tio as well and what made him such a beast on the field and so hard to tackle is the way he ran and the way he just got his knees up in the air. He ran with high knees. When you run with high knees like that, it's hard to take someone out and especially catch them from behind.

And that's why he looked like, what are those, gazelles out there? Yeah. He looked like a gazelle when he was running, like kind of like a horse as well. And that's why no one can catch him. And that's why he was so great, so fast, so talented because of those high knees, that drive that he had.

How old is TL right now? He's 50. He still looks great, man. He still looks like a professional athlete. If you see, I saw him like maybe a couple years ago somewhere. He was cool as fuck. And he still looked like he could athlete. If you see, I saw him like maybe a couple years ago somewhere he was cool as fuck. And he still looked like he could go out. What a fuck, El Dorado is his middle name?

El Dorado? Terrell El Dorado Owens. El Dorado, that is a sick ass. I would have gone as El Dorado. El Dorado Owens? That would have been a bad ass football name. El Dorado? Imagine just putting El would have been a bad ass football name. Eldorado? Imagine just putting Aldorado, I'm back of a Jersey name.

Eldorado. Oh, everyone would have that Jersey. Why don't you give me some way. You know that song. What's the craziest injury that you played through? I would say, I basically did the same thing when I basically snapped my ankle in half. AFC Championship game is Baltimore Ravens.

I came back in that game about 15 minutes later and and played, you know, about eight minutes with eight minutes left in the fourth quarter. So that was one of the craziest injuries I played through. Oh, also, I broke six of my ribs when I was in Tampa. I got level going across the middle time set me up once again. Think we we've we've we've we talked about that, didn't we? I don't know. I'm not sure like we talked about that already. And I broke six of my ribs. And then the x ray machine showed that I didn't break any ribs. So I went back in the game like I can't I got to

go back and I can't, you know, be a be a sissy the x-ray machine said I had no broken ribs So I go back in the game get two more catches on my I'm hurting bro. I'm Hurting like this this is bad. So I take myself back out of the game We go home and then I get an MRI and I have six broken ribs Jesus So I played through that that was painful. That was painful. What about him and Ocho having a TV show together? I remember it was hosted by like Kevin Frazier and it was on like a network we really never heard of. But what would our show be called name?

That's the T. Ocho. That's a pretty good name. How about the T. Ocho? Gronkynuts. Gronkynuts. Yeah. I like it. Gronkynjewels. Gronk-y nuts. Gronk-y nuts. Yeah. I like it. Gronk-y jewels.

Gronk-y jewels. And then last, let us know what you guys think our show should be. Also, we'd be crazy if we don't talk about when he started crying about Tony Romo and that's my quarterback. You know how many times I've used that in just like a jokingly term?

I've heard you use it plenty of times in the locker room. That's a quarterback, man. What about his shades though? Those are some pretty awful shades. I liked them. I thought they were swaggy. I was not a fan of them. Tio was, I bet you he's just a misunderstood dude.

He's got a lot of emotions in there. I wonder what his upbringing was because he would have those bursts, you know what I mean? But you knew he loved the game. Well what kind of dude is Terrell Owens, Jules? I think it's easy for this one. I mean, you could put him in as a dog, because he's a dog, he's definitely a stud,

Wiz, he could be a Wiz. I mean, he definitely knows the game of football. He was all purpose on the field, I mean, he could take handoffs as well, he could line the game of football. He was all purpose on the field. I mean, he could take handoffs as well. He could line up. He could do everything on the field. Yeah, he was an all purpose football player besides a running back.

But I think it's one thing and one thing only. Yeah, I agree with you. I mean, this guy had unparallel physical abilities. Unparallel. He still was one of one. His instincts were through the roof. I gotta go with this wild Jules. One, two, three, freak.

Absolute freak of nature. I got another question real quick Jules, would you cry for Tom Brady? I did cry for Tom Brady, but it wasn't in the same context. It was when I read about him leaving New England and without reading it from him I read it on ESPN bottom ticker that Brady signed to Tampa Bay and then You know, I had a single

tear run down my My beard I just saw him three days before too with Jimmy fucking Fallon At the goddamn Syracuse game. The guy didn't hint anything to me. I feel for you, Jules. Would you cry for him? I have. Are you gonna cry right now? Yeah. Let's see if you can, can you cry on command?

I'm just crying, just thinking about all our good times without the guy. Is that a girl crying? And it's over. I see a tear. I'm trying. I see a tear. I'm trying.

I see a tear. I just tried, I almost got a tear. He's coming. I almost got a tear. Wow, I almost got a tear. That was pretty good. Hey. Pretty good.

I think I'm done. I'm not lying, I almost got one. That's about time. I'm actually feeling more emotional now. Where did you go to get the emotion? Just thought about all our Super Bowl wins and how much work we put in and how it's all over. That's what you pulled from to get the tear.

I need to, I'm working on my tears. I just did an audition where I had to have a sex scene with a guy over Zoom. Oh, I would be tearing. Let's just be safe. I would be tearing if I was you. It's safe to say I didn't get the fucking roll. That's good. I'm glad you didn't, Jules.

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Standing at 5 foot 10 inches and weighing 185 pounds, this dude was a dynamic cornerback and return specialist in the NFL. He played for the Tennessee Titans, Dallas Cowboys, Cincinnati Bengals, and Denver Broncos. Drafted 6 overall in the 2005 NFL Draft, he was known for his exceptional speed and agility, highlighted by a four, three, eight, second, 40-yard dash.

In his career, he was named to three Pro Bowls and a first team All-Pro selection. Before his NFL career, he made a name for himself at West Virginia University. Let's get on Pac-Man Jones. Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Adam Pac-Man Jones? Well, first thing I think of is Bengal formation.

All right. Remember, we had a series of formations. It was an empty formation where the F moved. So Tiger, our reminder, was Kevin Falk. The F was always Kevin Falk, he was in the slot. Brown, he was always outside, so you always knew where everyone was. The F was on the outside of the formation.

For Bangle, we learned Bangle, that he was all the way inside the formation because Bengals always went to jail. And I'm pretty sure Pac-Man went to a couple of those things and he had a couple of those antics. He was part of our learning of a formation. Who came up with that creativity? Chadio. Chadio.

Chadio, you know what he said, Bengals are always in jail. I wish he shared that knowledge with me. I would have understood the playbook a lot easier. Well, on that side, you were always on the backside. So the Y and the X were always, they didn't move. It was always the front side of the formation that had to move on that series of formations.

That's how crazy our fucking formation was. But that's the first thing I think of when I think of Pac-Man, because I remember when we were installing this formation, Chadio brought up, you know, Pac-Man got caught up at the strip club again. Those Bengals are always in jail. That's just how you guys remind it. And I can tell you this, if you're if you're a bangle and you're in jail,

you're going to be a tough SOB, that's for sure. And that's the type of player that he was on the football field. He was tough. He could tackle. I mean, he wasn't the biggest DB. But let me tell you, he acted like he was the biggest. He acted. He played like a linebacker. He was like, how did you describe it earlier? Coming off of the edge. He knifed it. So what he wasn't just one of those plastic knives.

No, it was a frickin a steak knife. He was definitely like a steak knife. So a lot. I remember a lot of the coaching plans when we'd have Pac-Man, they would play him into the boundary corner. He'd be a boundary corner. And a lot of times they would play a cover too. And Pac-Man would be the last,

or he would be the outside edge defender. So like, we'd always have to worry. It almost looked like it was a blitz because he was crunching so much and he was knifing so much But it was just he was such an instinctive smart player that he knew Because of formation that he could go in there So you always had to be on your your p's and q's when you had Pac-Man in the boundary Because he was so elite in the run game as a corner like he was an unbelievable punt returner

I used to watch him all the time as a punt returner because I would always like to watch the best punt returners in the league to see how they were getting open. And he was just such a fast guy. He knew how to, he had great field awareness, great field vision. He put his foot in the ground and he'd go

and he could outrun people. He was elite speed. I mean, you don't go six overall from West Virginia, which West Virginia had a lot of players at this time. You gotta tip your captain West Virginia. Pat White, you know, McAfee went there. That era was special. They had a lot of good players.

But he went six overall at 5'10". You know, that's crazy. It doesn't matter if you have elite speed or not. So that tells you how good of a football player he was. What do you see? I mean, he was scrappy, talked a lot of shit. Me and him almost fought on the field a couple of times. I mean, he's almost fought freaking 50 different NFL players

out on the football field because he would get under their skin. I respected it though. Yeah, yeah, you definitely had to respect him because that was him. It wasn't like it was just coming out of nowhere. It was him. It was him, you know, and you got to appreciate that. What I really loved about him, too, just his ball skills, man. Whenever he was around the ball, it would be tipped up in the air.

He was bringing it down with it. He had wide receiver hands. And you want to kind of know what he reminds me of, because he had so many returns as a kickoff returner and punt returner. But also when he would return the ball on an interception is that he looked like a third down running back. He did with that ball, man. I feel like he could have played the running back position because of just how shifty he was and just how his hands were. They were, they were very, you know, very, uh, what am I looking for? Consistent, consistent of being able to catch the

ball. So he was a third down back playing corner. And you talked about him like he was a middle linebacker. But really on top of it, he was a great cover guy. Great cover guy. Great ball skills, like I said. And like- Wasn't scared to get down and dirty. This guy, yeah. I got a little story, my rookie year,

I mean, it was Pac-Man Jones out there. Why? Going one-on-one versus whoever he was covering and West was in the slot. We did a quick pass to West, so you know, lined up inside at the tight end position. You know how I bolt out there and I gotta go block the DB. And this is my first game I've ever played and I saw it was Pac-Man and I was like,

oh shit, do I really wanna block this guy? Like, I don't know what he's gonna do to me. I mean, all these stories about Pac-Man out there talking shit, coming after you, getting under your skin. That was in the scouting report. It was, it really was. It was in back of my head. But I was like, I'll screw that.

I gotta show my abilities. I gotta do me. So I kind of ran at Pac-Man, broke down a little bit, got right into his chest, boy. Drove him about three, four yards right to the sideline. Wes ran right behind me scored a touchdown baby And I just turned around like yeah, that's right. I just blocked Pac-Man Jules you're talking about how you almost fought Pac-Man Jones on the field

Well, what does a DB have to do to make you want to fight him? What was it? What was he saying to you or what did he do to you? Come on? He was calling me white boy or something. You ain't got shit. No speed. He was giving, I don't even remember, but I mean, it was pretty easy to get under your skin. Not really. Okay, Jules, not really. But if you piss me off, that means I was gonna go 110% every fucking play. So a lot of guys wouldn't do it because I was gonna keep it going. But I don't know, I remember one time I took a ball

and Pac-Man thought I was gonna go out of bounds and I kinda trucked him. And he looked up and he got up and he started talking shit to me because I had like 30 yards and he was coming right, like he didn't have any momentum. So like that person's gonna win. And I lit him up and he looked coming right, like he didn't have any momentum. So like that person's gonna win. And I lit him up and he looked at me,

he said some shit, I forgot what he said, but he said, fuck you, you stealing shit dog or something. I was like, fuck you Pac-Man. I didn't wanna talk too much shit to Pac-Man because I heard about the guns and shit. I heard about the strip clubs and stuff. So, you know, I didn't know if he would take it off the field.

So I was like, what's up Pac-Man, what's up dog? But I love Pac-Man. We've got to hang out a few times. He's a fun dude. And he's grown up a lot. I think he's great on podcasts and shit. I watch him on McAfee. He's done very well off the field

and in transforming his image. When his image like we when we were all playing Pac-Man was like he was a dude that was he got in trouble he got suspended and shit now like it's been awesome to see him re-image himself and become like he's working for ESPN for a while I mean he's a channel he's one of the only dudes that had the borderline antics of getting arrested, going to the strip club and being known for all of that. And he's still in the media and he's still a guy that people look up to because that's how good of a football player he was and he owned it as well.

That's when you know you're a great football player and someone who you know who you are because you own it. And when you own something like that, it's not like you're gonna get canceled or written off. You're gonna find opportunities that present to you. And that's what Pacman Jones has done for his life. And that's why he's on the Pat McAfee show now. And he's doing a great job. And I love the Pat McAfee show.

So just speaking of wild cards, that guy's a wild card in the best way possible. I mean that guy comes up with freaking dilemmas and notions like no one else can possibly do and I love it. What's the Mount Rushmore of athletes turned podcasters? All right well I would say obviously we'll start with that guy right there, Pat McAfee. I mean he was one of the first. He actually stopped playing football to put so he can get into that world. Yeah, he got to win podcast.

We all thought he was crazy in the media. Yeah. Oh, and I was crazy. He changed the game. He changed the game. Yes. He took a chance. He was the ultimate wild card for doing that. And let me tell you, he changed the game for all these other players that are, you know, after they retire yeah and trying to find a second life so pat mcafee definitely number one no doubt about that uh let's just say a bunch of names that shannon sharpe's got to be on there great podcaster shannon sharp

no doubt about that um obviously the kelsey brothers they're doing a great job is that it uh there's only four mount rushmore no? There's only four on Mount Rushmore? No, well let's not even do Mount Rushmore. Let's just name a couple. All right. Let's just have a category. A category. Top 10, top eight, you know, whatever it is.

Kelseys are fun. Yes they are. They do a great job. JJ Reddick did great, man. I like JJ Reddick. Until he got the head coaching job. JJ, JJ was a smart guy. I mean, he was such a good podcaster,

he got a head coaching job out of him. Yeah, that's for sure. Brandon Marshall's legit. I think you've done not podcasting anymore. J.J. was a smart guy. I mean, he was such a good podcaster, you got a head coach and job out of him. Yeah, that's for sure. Brandon Marshall's legit. I think you've done some stuff with him inside the NFL. I am an athlete. He's a freaking entrepreneur. I'm very proud of what he's done. Big Cat and PMT, they're former high school athletes.

Yeah, they are, man. You're right. High school athletes. And Big Cat and PMT, they're like one of the originals as well. When I started podcasting. I mean, if you look at big cat with his shirt off, I mean, I think you're telling me he's not an athlete.

I think he's a big guy. He is. He's got like good eyebrows. He got a nice beard. He does. Like he tries to play the fat guy. Oh, I'm so fat. None.

Good look. He's actually a handsome guy. He lost 30 pounds, he'd probably be in fucking GQ. He's like one of those chubby guys that you wanna snuggle. He is. Yeah, like, and it's comfortable. He's very snuggly. Yeah, and it's nice and warm. You don't even need a blanket.

But back to Pac-Man Jones. Oh yeah, Pac-Man. Yeah, we're in Pac-Man. Back to Pac-Man. You know, another thing about Pac-Man that's not really known out there, I mean, he's a stand-up dude. He may have his antics and shit but as a human being he's a great dude.

Chris Henry lost his kids, Pac-Man's raising them. Pac-Man's providing for them. Pac-Man's the mentor for them. You've seen Pac-Man Jones grow up over the last 20 years. I mean he's not the guy he was when he was in first got in the league, going to strip clubs and shit. Maybe he is, but he contains a little. But he's a fucking stand up dude. You got to tip your cap to him, man. Yeah. Shout out to Pac-Man for taking on that role and doing.

He's a good ass dude for his friend. You know that that, you know, passed away. That was a sad story. But also Chris Henry Jr. Pac-Man raised him and he's committed to play football at the Ohio State University. Geez. So that's a cool story right there.

And obviously learning from Pac-Man Jones, one of the most athletic, you know, sensational cornerbacks that ever played the game. You know, make sure you check out Chris Henry Jr. when he's at the Ohio State University. He's gonna be a heck of a player. I bet. And once again, a wild card is not just while like doing bad things. It's just unpredictable of good, bad, whatever.

And Pac-Man is, is, is the wild card guy. You know, he does some great, Steve does great things, does some wild things that you're kind of unsure of. But then he always backs it up by doing another great thing as well, another good deed. Who are some teammates that you consider family? Well, first off, you, Jules, man. Consider you Robbie. You're definitely part of the family.

I mean, we're all family, our podcasting team. We're all family here. Another teammate, Dola. Dola's definitely a family member. Nico Koudavides. Koudi. Matthew Slater. We don't hang out with him as much.

No, he's like the older brother that just looks down at our actions. And making sure that we're doing the right thing still. Always still. And if we're doing the wrong thing, he's gonna give us a call and say, buddy, what you doing? Clean it up.

Yeah, clean it up. Clean it up. Your act is getting a little out of control now. Tom's kind of like older big brother too. Tom's like our older, older, older brother, older, older brother. That's making sure we're on the right page. Who else we got? Chandler Jones, man. Chandler Jones was my brother.

I love Chan Chan was the he was the black grunk and I was the white Chan, man. When we were in New England, that's what we call each other. Without a doubt, Chan, I'll always consider him one of my brothers, man. Definitely. No, no, no doubt about that. Niko in Niko Niko bitch He's like the brother that you like everyone has a brother. You bully. Yeah. Yeah, we do bully him Well, what kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? Let's get it. What kind of dude is Pac-Man Jones? Uh he's definitely I Bet you he's a dude's dude in a certain way. I bet you anyone that play with them

I bet you he was a great teammate actually in a certain way. I bet you anyone that played with him loved him. I bet you he was a great teammate actually, because he had wonderful stories to get everyone going. Hey, when you make your way into the club, you try to make everyone have fun. Yeah, that's the truth. You make your way, you make your way. You're bringing the energy to the table. That's all that matters.

No matter how you do it, you know, with whatever antic you're doing, you're bringing the energy to the table and you're amping everyone up. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. Yeah. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. He. You're talking me into him being a dude's dude. He's also a stud.

I can't forget he was drafted six overall. He's fucking four, three guy, five, 10. He plays like a linebacker. 10 total fucking kickoff return touchdowns, like seven pick sixes. This guy was elite with the ball in his hand. Thank God he played corner. I mean, he wasn't a freak.

I mean, because a freak is, you know, the statute. He was freaky speed. He ran four or five at 50. He had freaky abilities. Like two weeks ago. It wasn't like he was a six foot six corner. Nah, yeah. So he got freaky.

He had common size. So you know. On three, we know what it is. Yeah, we do know what it is. One, two, three, dog. He's got that dog mentality. He's motivated. He's motivated that dog mentality. He's motivated. He's motivated.

I mean. You bite him, he's coming right back at you. He gonna bark. He's gonna be a pit bull. He gonna bite. Coming back to you as a pit bull. And he ain't gonna stop until the fight's over. No, he's not, man.

He's definitely a dog. Fucking Pac-Man, we got to compete against him a lot. And he was always, you knew you had to bring your A game against Pac-Man Jones. Always barking at you too during the games. Always, whether good or bad and he was always, you knew you had to bring your A game against Pac-Man Jones. Always barking at you too during the games. Always, whether good or bad, he was barking. All right, since this episode's all about wild dudes, we're gonna assemble our top five list

of least wildest dudes in the NFL. The least wildest dudes in the NFL. I think this is a lot easier than wild dudes because it's rare to have like a wild, wild dude do all his antics and then stay in the NFL and get away with it all. That's tough to do, bro. Like, I'm in that category. I would say you're in that category a little bit like harder to be

a wild freaking dude and still have a career. It is so like these guys are lame that we're about to talk about. I can tell you that. And we'll start it off with Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins. Kirk Cousins is definitely, definitely one of the least wild dudes in the league. No, yeah, I love Kurt.

He's so fun. I mean, you love these guys. He's a dude's dude. But they're just not wild. I mean, he's not wild. You know that they're gonna be straight A students right from the get go. T-bo?

Yeah, yeah, T-bo. And we know T-bo's Tebow. Yeah, yeah Tebow. We know Tebow's not wild. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, he's just in that weight room. Matthew Slater, love him, but just not that wild. He's not, no. Straight laced. Straight laced.

But played like 20 years in the NFL. Oh, Kurt Warner, bagging groceries. Yeah, yeah. See, see, wild cards are bagging hose. Dan Orlowski. Oh, yeah. So unwild. Yeah, it's it's funny. The wildest thing he did in his career was step out of the

end zone. Yeah, his own end zone for safety. Also, I hear him. I hear him talking about jacking off or something. Wasn't he talking like it's bad to masturbate? This guy needs to lighten up. Lighten up buddy. Loosen up. Loosen up.

Loosen up. Get a little wild in you. He's so straight laced saying he ain't loosening up anything. He ain't playing pocket pound. He ain't living. He's got a straight laced. That's a pretty good list. That is a good list.

Maybe one more. Who do you think Rob? Maybe your boy, you know, we play with him. You were always beefing with him. That safety that we had. That, that. Oh, you mean the most company guy there is in the history of company guys?

Yeah, yeah, exactly. The one who may have been an offspring of the head coach? Yeah, that's who I'm talking about. Who are you talking about? You know. Devin McCourney? The man himself, Devin McCourney. Devin McCourney.

First round pick in my draft. Stole the shine from me that year. You know what, Dev? Dev looked, he used to make fun of the wild cards. Yeah, he did. He looked down, he was arrogant against the wild cards, which he needed that, he needed that. But you know, loosen up a little, Bubs.

Loosen up a little. He definitely despised our party. Yeah, he despised it, but secretly loved it. There was always the married men and then that would look at you, but you know, then they'd ask a couple of questions when everyone wasn't looking like, yo, how was it?

How was it? Was it fun? It was off the chain. Yeah, yeah. I remember, it was fucking tough. You missed out on the food, Gavin. It was a private boat, it was a private jet, it was gnarly. The New York City trips, oh, you stayed home.

Well, that's been another episode of Dudes on Dudes. What could we have done better next episode, Rob? We could have been more wild, Jules. I think we could have. Let us know. Let us know in the comment section. Please. Subscribe on Apple podcast Spotify Amazon music or wherever you listen to your podcast Comment a dude you want us to do and remember to rate and review and remember to follow dudes on dudes on YouTube

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