Games with Names - Dudes on Wiz's: Mega Episode

Episode Date: July 24, 2025

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being able to sneak around Fenway too after or before. Oh, I mean, you basically feel like you're in the movie The Town. Should you come out in nun masks? I mean, kinda tight. Kinda sick. none masks? I mean, kind of tight. Kind of sick. Kind of tight. I mean, Missoula would love that.

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You have your little AI ready? This guy. Oh, and Jules girlfriends text me. You know, I got to answer. I want to be a good dude. OK, he's a good dude. I'm a good dude. Say, how come you said hello?

Oh, my gosh. Oh, my gosh. Guess what she's doing. What? So it's a 10 year anniversary for the, uh, Superbowl that we won versus Seattle. See all of the, and you know who we're doing right now. Oh my gosh. Who are we doing next? We're doing Seattle. Wow.

And guess what Camille just texted me, Richard Sherbett. She's literally crying right now while practicing cause she misses dance so much because they're bringing back to cheerleaders do a halftime dance routine that they did at the Super Bowl. Wow. Yes. Yeah. Sorry, Richard Sherman. You're not a back to back champ because of us. Sorry, boy. Are you mad about it? Is he mad? He's mad, bro. He's not mad, bro. Is he mad, bro? No, but is he mad? What is I say about our guy, Ellen Iverson? Smart man.

He can just read a fricking everything on the internet in a matter of 10 seconds. I always knew AI was the best of all time. He's the answer. He is the answer. Let's get on Richard Sherman. Wow. He was so good that he covers this whole page.

He does. He's a Stanford guy. Richard Sherman is known for being a highly skilled and physical cornerback. Renowned. They use this word too much in AI renowned renowned for his exceptional coverage skills, intelligence, and ability to read plays. Sherman was a key figure in the Seattle Seahawks Legion of boom defense. His lengthy frame and aggressive playing style made him a formidable opponent

in both man to man and zone coverage. Right? Formidable, Jules? For dudes on dudes. I mean, if I say something wrong, correct me. That's what friends do. Okay. I don't know how to read either. Sherman's leadership, trash talking, trash talk? He definitely trash talk. You mad, bro? And ability to make crucial plays in high-pressure Situations contributed made a lot of those. Yes. He did made a lot of you're just watching his highlight film, man Whoa, he's I forget how good he was you you forget all skills. Oh, let me finish I always just cutting me off to make crucial plays in high-pressure situations

Contributed to his reputation as one of the top cornerbacks of his era. I agree with AI. I agree with AI. Richard Sherman, we watched the highlights before we did this and you forgot how many great plays he made because that cast of characters, the Legion of Boom, he was a part of it and there were so many good guys but then we watched those highlights, his ball skills.

He used to run routes for the receiver because he was so smart. Like he's situationally one of the most intelligent corners. You could never throw a downfield ball against him. Like that was like what I always remember. He always, he was a gambler because he'd always have those eyes in the backfield. Like he was one of those original guys where he'd play off and have his eyes in the backfield and

then he'd break on the guy like Richard and then he'd always have the hands like he had unbelievable ball skills in order to finish the plays. You know he just was a freaking stud and he used to hit. What do you think? I would if I if I was a freaking stud and he used to hit. What do you think? I would if I if I was a young cornerback, I would give Richard Sherman a call and ask him where he learned those ball skills. Yeah. How does he

track down a ball like that and make it you know and have an interception and make it look easier than a wide receiver. Well, he was a receiver in Stanford. Well, that answers my question. All you cornerbacks out there, they need to do more ball drill. Ball drills.

I say all the time. There would be literally like two or three more interceptions per game. If these cornerbacks knew how to catch the ball and Richard Sherman knew how to catch the ball. And that's why he made so many plays. And that's why he led the league and interception some years.

So what year was that again? He definitely led the league, right? 2013. Yes. They won the Super? He definitely led the league, right? 2013? Yes. They won the Super Bowl that year. Yeah, they did. And that's part of the reason why they won the Super Bowl.

He was a literal genius of the game because he played wide receiver in college. He went to Stanford University. So obviously he's smart. Smart guy. You gotta be a smart guy to go to Stanford. All my friends that went to Stanford, Pac-10 guy as well.

So shout out to the Pac-10. 4.2 GPA in high school. 4.2 GPA? Who is he cheating off? Come on. 4.2 I thought it only goes up to 4.0. How do you get a 4.2? I think there's advanced classes that count as a 5.0. Makes no sense. I agree. I never knew about those ones. Advanced classes? Wasn't there either Rob. That's why we have a podcast. And that's why it is. Why would you beat him in a math competition? I would. I'm not good at math. Come on. Give me a math problem right now.

Forty six times 20. Oh, my gosh. Oh, 920. Yep. Oh, was it 920? Yeah, he would still be thinking. Richard Sherman would still be thinking. He'd be talking shit. He'd be talking shit where I would have probably been

thrown off my game and then he would have thrown out the answer. Yeah, he would. That's how smart he is. He would have talked shit and been able to calculate multitask and then do it like that's kind of guy was. I mean, we played against him in the Super Bowl and we jawed back and forth. And it's out of fun competition. But you knew like when you were stepping in the in a game with with Richard Sherman

You knew if you were gonna be lazy or if your route wasn't there He was gonna cover you and he was gonna let you know that he covered you. Mm-hmm Those are the fun guys. He was a freaking monster like you watch just the interceptions he made his high pointing of ball skills that a The interceptions he made is high pointing of ball skills that AFC championship game where he tipped it from Crabtree in like the last like 30 seconds or 23 seconds, 32 seconds. One of the most impressive plays I've ever seen

a cornerback make. In a high pressure situation when his team needed it. That was for the game. That was for the game. That was to go to the Super Bowl. That was to go to the Super Bowl. He had a lot of those. And what made him so great,

made him stand out from any other cornerback was his height and his length. He was 6'4". He was kind of like Randy Moss, but as a cornerback. You know, and he had good hands, like to combat great ball skills, but like to combat the quick guys to get him running side and side because he was so, you know, he's long. That's how you got to get those kinds of corners. You got to make them run side to side.

He had such long, great arms where he could play at the line of scrimmage. He'd win at the line of scrimmage. He had football IQ. What about his physicality? Was there a play? I remember just watching him. I think that's Brian broke off for a like a 50 yard 50 yard. He was about to score and I'm pretty sure it was does Brian. Yeah. And uh, he, he was in back of the end zone, you know, guarding his guy, cause you know, man, man them up. That's why the ball went as Brian, they should have had him on does all game. Actually. He came out of back of the end zone off of his guy and literally does Brian was one yard away from scoring.

Richard Sherman came out of nowhere and just laid the hit stick and made them fumble right on the one yard line. That just showed how physical and how much he just laid his body out on the line for the team. And also not to quit on a play. Like the play could have been over. Des Bryant could have easily just gone in and Richard said, you know, technically he won his play.

His guy was guarded, his guy didn't catch the ball. But to come off his plaster and to make the hit at the end goal lines, it was like that's you saw those plays all the time with Richard Sherman. He never gave up on plays. He was smarter than you. He was longer than you. And he could talk better than you. And he had leadership like he was always vocal, very vocal.

But the thing is, he backed it up every single time. He always said he's the best corner in the game, which he was throughout that era. But he backed it up. And that's what over that's what you reef was a little bit before him. He was like right at the end of Revis era, Revis Island. Yeah. So Revis was was in his own category. And then it was Richard Sherman, two totally different players, two totally different skill sets.

But hey, Jules, you remember when you troll troll them? I told Sherman, I heard her explain what happened and why you did it. The parade after we played him in 14, we won. Someone threw up a sign of like with the face after the interception. And, you know, you just playing up to the parade, having fun. I fucking threw it. I was hammered. Like it was all fun and games until someone gets hurt.

But no one got hurt. No one got and you were hammered. So that's an excuse. It was a parade. Anything goes. We just beat him in the Super Bowl. And Richard Sherman loves talking crap, but he can take it as well. I think he can. I know the guy now personally.

I've talked to him a few times through Chris Thompson because she does all the Amazon and he's always been a really cool dude. He's doing a great job as an analyst. I think so too. He's really good. A lot of insight to the game, especially at the corner position. He's not scared to be himself. He's never never never has been and it was throughout his career. You know, just with a guy like him, like you had to play hard the whole game. If you turn it off, he would smother you. He'd make that pick. If he if he saw Tom just slack a little bit in the pocket, he would be able to read him just like that because he played with his eyes

in the backfield. He loved like he liked to play off that Seattle six. Where it was like it was like a match zone so he could play off and he would see and he would read the quarterbacks and he'd come sloop on those seams and come steal them. Last piece though I play with Richard Sherman my final year with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Unfortunately he you know he was at the end of his career he's a little washed like myself he showed up we had like eight corners down we gave him a call he showed up and I'm so glad he did man and I finally, you know, got to meet him in person and talk to him. He pulled his hamstring. I remember I had broken ribs, so we were reminiscing together about facing each other and what a great guy he was, man. Great

leader, great guy to have in the locker room, that's for sure. He's got tons of positive energy. He's a guy you love on your team, but you hate him. Yeah, exactly. I love he was even playing. He went in the IR. And every time I walked in the locker room, like I love Sherman Ader is on our team. Yeah, that's how great he was, man. He just always chopping it up and always being a character. I love the guy. Well, I see him too. Great dude.

Ten minutes, ten minutes. What kind of dude is Richard? What kind of dude? I mean, he was he was freaky. He was like a Randy Moss. Is he a stud dog? Where is Richard Sherman? I mean, he was freaky. He was like a Randy Moss. Is he a stud, dog, whiz? Is he a whiz? He's kind of everything, man, because he went to Stanford, so he's a whiz.

He was a dog with those hits. He was innovative. Because I think he hits that whiz category because his intellect was second to none. Like him and Reeves are in that same category where they could run routes. Yeah, he was kind of a dog though, too. He was a dog because he was relentless and motivated always physically. We talked to you. I kind of want to go with Wiz though just because

he went to Stanford. He went to Stanford, he was clutched. The Wiz is always clutched. The Wiz is someone who innovates. They changed the position. The position used to be a guy that was probably no bigger than six foot, six foot one. I mean, those were huge corners back before him. He was six foot four. He evolved the position, especially in that Seattle system. He had him in Browner. They love those tall corners and he's a huge part of that, which that's that's how you take away those big receivers on the outside. You put a big guy like Sherm on them and they let them battle.

And that's why the Legion of Boom was such a great defense as well. I would say that he was the leader of Legion of Boom at over Chancellor. Yeah, over Chancellor. Chancellor was the guy that laid the smackdown. He smacked. He smacked. I think, you know, he was the wizard of the Legion of Boom. Same with Errol Thomas.

He was a rocket, a torpedo. Torpedo. He laid the smack down. He laid the smack down on me a few times, but Richard Sherman was the wizard. I feel like he got that, you know, secondary imposition and also why he had so many interceptions and why he was such a great corner is because he knew how to play the game of football and zone coverage and man coverage. he was so fricking smart. He's a whiz. He is a whiz. He's a whiz kid. All right. Let's get on to our next. Let's our next put up the headshot. Ladies and gentlemen, our next tight end here at national tight ends day, who also started tight end you at Vanderbilt University every year that I went one time because I failed after I went

because it's the heart rate of the south hard hard place yeah it's a hard very beautiful i heard never been it is greg olson greg olson greg olson what is the what does ai say about greg olson Olsen. What is the, what does AI say about Greg Olsen? All right. Greg, start the clock. Greg Olsen. Oh, ocean. I like that. Yeah. Well, his hair looks like an ocean. It's all over the place. It kind of looks like a hurricane. All right. All right. Greg, Greg Olsen is celebrated as one of the top tight ends in NFL history. Known for his reliable hands. We were talking about that earlier. Reliable hands. Reliable hands in the NFL.

This guy had hands. Yes, he does. And route running skills. Off the field, he has admired for his dedication to family and philanthropy, particularly through his heart test yard initiative. Heart test yard initiative. Heart test. That's, that's, that's a handful. That Initiative. Heart Test. That's a handful.

That's a hard test. That's a hard test. Heart Test. A heart test. Particularly through his Heart Test Yard Initiative. Which supports families of children with congenital heart. Congenital. It's like we said, everyone, we don't have the best vocabulary. This is dudes on dudes.

We're learning as we go. We're not perfect here, but we'll get numbers. Right. Okay. We get numbers. What AI is based saying he's for the kids. Yeah. We're for the kids.

Yes. Olson made a significant impact on the Carolina Panthers, helping them reach Superbowl 50 and becoming the first tight end in history to have three consecutive a thousand yard receiving seasons from 2014 to 2016. Wow. He holds the Panthers franchise records for most receiving yards. He's lucky I got hurt because I would have held that three 1000 yard seasons in a row, but it's not about me.

It's not about, why am I making about me. Why am I making about me? Tight ends don't make it about yourself. And I just made it about me. Slot receivers do. Yeah, slot receivers do. Hey, it's our little diva in us. Cause we're not full diva, but we got a little diva. It's about Greg Olson here.

He holds the Panthers franchise records for most receiving yards, receptions, and a hundred yard receiving games by a tight end. Wow. After retiring, Olson transitioned to a successful career in sports broadcasting. He's one of our teammates right now with the Fox team. He's really good. Further showcasing his football acumen. He does have a lot of football acumen, I can tell you that.

What is that like? Like knowledge. Knowledge. Another word for knowledge. Cinnamon for knowledge. Not a cin- Right? Synonymous. Synonymous. Yeah. He's a freaking cinnamon, right? Cinnamon. Yeah. Cinnamon. I like cinnamon. He's tasty. He's tasty. Yeah. Okay. No. Wow. This is bad, Joel. This is bad. This dude's just being dudes though. This is what it's all about.

Dudes just being dudes and just showing you who you are. We're not perfect. It's cinnamon, bro. Yes. Cinnamon. That's same now for now. Yeah. For now on. It's cinnamon, bro. Yes, it's cinnamon. That's same now for now on. Yeah, it is. For now on, A. The English dictionary better change that word

to cinnamon. Cinnamon. Cinnamon. Now. Well, you wanna know what acumen means? I kinda know that from back in my head. I was reading a book the other day, had the word, it's the ability to make good judgments

and quick decisions. And that actually explains Greg Olson and his game. And that's why he had over a thousand yards in three seasons in a row because of his quick decisions. And when you're really quick at top of the route, when you have a two way go like Greg Olson, his favorite route of all time, he kind of runs kind of like diagonally

that to like the 10 yard mark where he has to go. And then the linebacker is sitting there at a safety and you got to either split right like a bow or split in. What's the split in route where you like a middle read? No, no, not a middle read like kind of like a cross. No, no, you go and it's like a angle, an angle. But it's at between a 10 yards and 12 yards. You can either bow it or angle it like an angle at 10.

Middle read. Yeah, no, because it's not a middle read because you still a middle read is when it's post double safety high and you can go in the middle. So he was so good at making that decision and being decisive of should he go out on the guy and the defender or should he go in? And that's where he made his bread and money. Bread and money. Bread and money.

You just went a little full well, Farrell in old school right there. Yes. Did you guys see that? That's his ac there. Did you guys see that? That's his acumen. Did you guys see that? That's his acumen. He literally just went- That's Greg Olson's acumen, ladies and gentlemen. Will Ferrell in old school at the fucking last thing

where he competes in the debate. Eddie, did you black out right there? I did black out. And like old school, Will Ferrell was blacked out many times. Frank the fucking tank. No, Greg Olson. I mean, we threw on that film and he's a lot more athletic than you remember.

He wasn't like a guy that was going to kill you with his athleticism, but he had such great hands like he he would go up and make those one handers. He did a lot of one hander catches. He had great ball skills. And he was a very savvy guy as well. And he wasn't like he's small guy. He's 6'5", 255 out of the U. What's up with the U and the tight ends? I ain't you man. Is that what they were called tight end you man when I was a kid. My name or Miami was probably who's Iowa. Iowa's tight end you now, but the university of Miami. Oh my gosh.

You're producing tight ends left and right, man. I love Miami. Oh, my gosh. And the joke was like the new, new school version of tight end. You at the university of Miami, but man, who were they producing tight ends, man? University of Miami was, they were on point. And he was a track star in high school. Yeah, he was.

Javelin. Javelin? Maybe that's why he was so good with his hands, because he was always using his hands in track. Throwing it? Yeah, just throwing, like holding that javelin stick. I've never met a javeliner. I guess I have. Like, what do you do?velin stick. You just grip it at it. I've never met a javeliner. I guess I have.

Like, what do you do? You, how do you throw it? That's called a shake weight. Oh, shake weight. Oh, that's a shake weight. Never threw a javelin before, you know? It's just like the spear. They throw.

All right. It's like a football throw. I bet you can throw, can you throw a football for it? It's like being a gladiator and throwing that spear and just, boom, toss it 40 yards. Exactly. That's what, like, toss it 40 yards. Exactly. That's been like, and so he did javelin. I mean, he, the first thing you think of, of Greg Olson, look at that.

Oh, look at that. That's good technique. He was looking at, he's young. Look at that face. He's beautiful. He got that. He was defined in high school. I don't know what happened.

He's beautiful. He got that. He was defined in high school. I don't know what happened. Like he's like one of those, like tight ends with a dad body again. That's what made him last long. He lasted long. He lasted long, but he hit me up in high school.

He hit me up during that 3000 yard or the 3000 yard seasons. He broke his foot and I broke my foot. And I remember us communicating over the Jones fracture. That was the first time I ever got, you know, a call from him and to watch him on TV. He's killing in the TV. He's really knowledgeable about the game.

He uh, he's fun. He's got that little dorkiness in him. He does. He's got that little dork like that. He plays, he plays it off. He's a dad joke. He plays it off really well. He plays it. He's a fun guy to be around. He is. And he is who he is. Like he expresses who he is. It doesn't matter man. That's why you love him man. That's what you love about people. He's not hiding himself at all. Never. No never. And I trained with him actually. I remember what was really cool is that I was coming out of the University of Arizona and we had the same agent, Drew Rosenhaus and Drew Rosenhaus had me called Greg Olson. He was the only player I called to ask about Drew Rosenhaus and also ask about

the training process of training for the combine and all that. And, uh, I remember Greg Olson did give me some great advice, man. He said, Hey, you're going to think all the little details are stupid, but make sure you do them all. Cause those are actually the biggest things in the end. And I still remember that to this day that he goes do all the warmups, all the recovery things that you got to do after you trained all day. He says, just do all the details of the little things and you will be fine.

So thank you, Greg, for the advice, man. I remember talking to you on the phone and, uh, just the advice of going through the NFL process. He was the only player I talked to through that, um, for the advice, man. I remember talking to you on the phone and just the advice of going through the NFL process. He was the only player I talked to through that time. So good dude, man. Good dude. Wasn't looking out for himself, but he was looking out for me on that phone call,

which was cool. You think he called Bledsoe after Brady replaced him? I'm in roast mode, I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Hey, hey, Julian. I'm in roast mode. Did he call blood? So what? Oh, because blood. So got replaced by time. There you go. Sorry. I'm a tight end. We're a little slow. Okay. That ends are sometimes a little bit slower, but we're personalities are just Frickin awesome. We are the coolest players on the field. They were I mean, we really are name a tight end. That isn't cool

Hmm exactly you can't you're thinking about it. That means they're really here. They really are Oh, you I know who's really cool Dallas got it I was hanging out with him at tight end you when I was actually smart enough to go because it's the hybrid of the south We were talking about and like I was just hanging out and I didn't even know who he was I like I know who delis goddard was but I helmet's No clue what delis goddard ever looked like and like this dude had the hair flowing everything I was talking to him like this dude cool as shit And then like two days later, I saw a picture of us online

and it says like Dallas Goddard and Rob Gronkowski. I was like, oh my freaking God. I didn't even know that was Dallas Goddard. Guys running 70 yard touchdowns. I just thought he was cool as shit. And that's what tight ends are. And Greg Olson is the epitome of that. Just cool as shit.

Yeah, he is cool as shit. Just cool as shit. Athletic, he had kind of that basketball stuff. He wasn't a burner, he had great hands. He made big plays for his team. He went to a Super Bowl. He's got crazy stats. You know, he had the 3,000 yard seasons.

What attribute, the best attribute or characteristic that Greg Olson contained in his pocket. His secret weapon was his route running skills. His route running. His route running skills, the one of the best in the game at the tight end position. He'd like lull you. I always see him hitting that bow route.

He'd marry his routes together. Remember he was really good at that bow route. Remember that cover four, I always see him hit it in like the fringe shot where you're right outside the red area, the 20. And they'd always run that, they'd get cover four and they'd run that post and he'd run that bow route and they'd hit him on that. I remember seeing that one, we installed something, we stole it from them because we were copying it. We liked the way they ran it and he'd run that bow route and he caught it right on that one yard line.

He's re I mean, he's just, he's a, he's a, he's an awesome guy. Did you, he doesn't care about his looks. He doesn't care about like what's going on out there. He just cares about being a good dude, being a family man. And that's why I love him, man. I love being around him. He's always so positive. And he can also, by the way, when I, when I train with him, when I was young

too, the guy just never stopped talking. Never stopped talking. And it was always the best. It was always on TV. And literally from the first day I met him, I was like, this guy is going to be a commentator one day. He's going to be an announcer. And then he actually landed perfectly in that spot after his football career.

And when he signed with Fox too, and I think it was like the first year he signed with Fox was like the first year I did when I first retired, I did a couple of games as well. And I was literally just thinking in my mind, just talking to him. This guy has landed in the perfect field for him. Like he's so good at it. Storyteller, intelligent. Yeah.

Great storyteller. Great. And he looks like grizzly Adams a little bit. He's got an under, he's got an under, under, under, under, what is it? He's got an underrated chin. If Grizzly Adams did have a beard. Yeah, happy Gilmore coming out.

Number two's coming out soon. Little Matt at Sandler for not hitting this up. I know, isn't he a New England guy? Adam Sandler, New England guy?. I'm saying our New England guys He's from New Hampshire, New England players family grew up in like I don't get it New York Thank you. That's my favorite movie of all time. Yeah, he is in it, but we didn't get hit up We didn't get hit up. I mean I can't hit on Travis being I can't either Frickin Travis. I mean he's top of his game on the field off the field like I'm just

Disappointed and happy to go more productions, I guess or was it Billy Madison Billy Madison. Happy Madison. Happy Madison Well now we're giving him shout outs and he didn't want us in We got no hate jewels No, we still love him and we're still gonna watch happy Gilmore Oh without a doubt about it and happy Gilmore still my favorite movie I actually watched it about three weeks ago. It was on TV and I never turned it off. This is what I loved about Greg Olson too. You said he talked a lot. He does talk a lot and that kind of explains why he came out with a rap song. And it was good. It was really good. It was really awesome and explained a lot of details on

how they lived life at the University of Miami, which was really cool. I was a big fan, no doubt about it. You were probably a big fan as well. I never was really cool. I was a big fan. No doubt about it. You were probably a big fan as well. I never listened to it. I'm not, I lied right there fully, but it was called the seventh floor crew rap. Yes. And it was a legendary rap song by some of the Miami players in 2003. And they were just doing it.

I think as a joke, uh, from what I've heard Greg Olson say before, like just to have fun and it just blew up out of nowhere, but it kind of made the universe of Miami even more prominent in my mind, especially at the tight end position. One of his, I think what it was is his name was Third Leg Greg, was his name Third Leg Greg? Well, well. Scary weather was in it. Yeah, scary weather. Well, scary weather was in it.

Yeah, scary weather. Great and scary weather. Third leg, Greg, his name was. And John Beeson. Oh, he was a beast, man. He was a beast, linebacker. That's fun, we gotta listen to that. Yeah, we do.

Well, we'll put it out on Insta. We wanna hear what you guys say in the crowd. Robin, what would your rap name be? Kind of think, I've said it plenty of times before. It's kind of easy, basic. Robbie G, the one and only. I mean, Robin G. Robbie G. The one and only. Yeah. Robbie G, the one and only. Kind of a long name though. So maybe that's not a rap name. I think my name would be like the Juelster. Nah, it'd be the Squirrelster. Young Squirrel J. Young Squirrel J. I want a better name though. Robbie Rabbit G the one and only is too long. Come on Jules

I just went three young young squirrel. J. Yeah, that's that's quick and easy right to the point young big piece Yeah, young big piece. You just throw young in front anything. It could be mr. Big piece young big piece I carry a massive gun with me I'm dangerous. It's loaded. Yeah, it's loaded massive gun with me. I'm dangerous. It's loaded. Yeah, it's loaded. It's National tight end day. People want to rob me. All right. Let's do, let's, we got a rap name, Generator, to find the perfect rap name for Rob. All right. What's your favorite TV character? Oh, we'll go with SpongeBob. SpongeBob. Oh, this is gonna be a gangster name. Your real-life first name? Robert. Robert. Your real life last name?

Gronkowski. The name of a criminal? Whitey Balger. Whitey Balger. Something really pleasant. A bulldog. Because I have a French bulldog. So you can't write French bulldog.

You can't write the name Ralphie. You gotta like let them know. And bulldog is pretty aggressive because rappers like bulldogs. So this is gonna be aggressive name. I like it. I like this. I like this.

An adjective to describe you and your music. I want this. I want this name like gangsta. I want it to be hard. So I would just say rap. Rap. I like that. Because we're going for a rap name anyway, so and your name favorite child

Oh junior junior dog. I had a dog named junior. It was um What are those dogs a pug pug pug named junior? Let's see. Yeah bulldog grunk I guess we're just sticking with the one and only Robbie G the one and only I'm Robbie G the one and only. I'm Robbie G, the one and only. If you don't know me, I'm sorry. If you wanna, I don't wanna say the rest because it's very inappropriate. That's why I stopped the first time.

Time's up. What kind of dude is Greg Olson? Okay. I mean, he's a freak, but he's not a freak. He's not a freak. He's kind of got that. He's definitely a dude's dude. He is a dude's dude. He's definitely definitely a dudes dude. He is a dudes dude.

He's definitely maybe a whiz. He is a whiz as well because that knowledge, that's why he's such a great commentator. And that was replaced by... He was a first round draft pick? Yeah, he was a first round draft pick to the Chicago Bears. Kind of a slow start. They traded him to the Panthers, but you know, everyone has a slow start when they get to the NFL. Not everyone, but a lot of guys do, but it's okay. He picked it up in Carolina, but. So what are the two that you're leaning on? I'm gonna go with Wiz, dude's dude. Kind of a stud in a way, cause he's a stud.

He just owns whatever, you know, he just owns himself. He looks like a stud. He does. Like blonde hair, six five, blue eye. He is. Like you see that javelin picture? He looks like he should be on a Weedies box. I wanna go with Wiz though. We don't we haven't had many Wiz's and he's a Wiz because of his

knowledge and just the way he can explain anything, break down anything to be able to get open in uh in many circumstances on the field and he was clutch. He was clutch for his team. He was clutch for his team. A second round pick

and I think 2010, no 2009. Same man. Some fastball his team. He was clutch for his team. A second round pick in I think 2010, no 2009. Same here. Sebastian Vollmer. Sebastian Vollmer. AKA Sebas. Sebas, kick his ass. Start the clock. What does AI have to say about him?

Bom bom bom, AI. Let's see if AI knows anything about it. Delseldorf. Gentlemen, people. Sebastian Voll see if AI knows anything about it. Delseldorf. Shaman people. Sebastian Wommer was a prolific offensive tackle for the New England Patriots, known for his six, eight frame, and 320 pounds of strength.

Strength. You know? Very strong. Very tall, very tall. It made me feel like a dwarf. Like a little boy. Yeah, yeah. I was a little boy out there actually.

Over his career, he started 80 of his 88 games that he played, helping the Patriots win two Super Bowls. Super Bowl 49 and Super Bowl 51. Born in Dosseldorf, Germany. Dosseldorf? Dosseldorf!

Vollmer didn't start playing football until he was 14. 14? 14. 14. 9! After retiring in 2016, he became a booming NFL broadcaster in Germany, often acting as a Patriots ambassador. Off the field, he's known for his down-to-earth personality and dedication to promoting football in his home country. And some fun facts real quick. Volmer was won a barbecue cook-off in his neighborhood. What a fun fact that is. Won a barbecue cook-off in

his neighborhood. AI man. AI. Where did you pull that from? Oh my gosh. He's an avid beekeeper. Oh my gosh. He's a beekeeper? He ate all his honey. He ate all his honey. That's why he's 6'8". That is why he's 6'8", and freaking tosses up weight like it's nothing. Nothing.

Nothing. That's where I was going. And he once accidentally locked himself out of his own house while wearing only his underwear. That's on AI? What the heck? I think I love Sebastian even more. That's a Sebastian type move though.

That's a sea bass move right there. Oh my God, sea bass. Oh my God. He was so large. But he was so large and so strong, he could have probably just lifted up his own house. Like, you know, Patrick and SpongeBob, how he just lifts up the rock in his house and goes, and he should have just lifted up his house.

Like threw it up in the air real quick and then went under it and then he would have been fine. He lit. We all used to live next to each other in that street. Yeah, we did. He could definitely probably lift that house up. What was the name of that street again? What was it?

Shay Lane, Shay Lane, Shay. No, I was Shay Lane. I was on a passion with Shay Lane. Shay Lane. No, I was Shay Lane. I was on a passion with Shay Lane. And then you were pacing, but you were like half a mile, if that, away from us. Yeah, it was a bike ride away. Yeah, bike ride. Freaking Seabass, we were drafted in the same draft.

He was such a big dude. And he was always really smart. Like, he always had really great questions to like Scarnecio or Josh. I just remember him always being able to like, hey coach, but what if this happens on this and we're in this, you know, like he had a really

outgoing thought process of the game for someone who never grew up around the game. Like that's crazy. Or really knew the game. Yeah, he, like, how do you, he starts playing at 14 now. You can start playing at 14, which is different than kids that start playing at 14 here, but it was so natural here.

Also, when he was playing at 14, it wasn't like real football he was playing. What league was that? It was like club. It was, yeah, it was like some type of club football. Wasn't the same rules. Wasn't the same schemes. None of that. I mean, it was like some type of club football wasn't the same rules. What wasn't the same schemes? None of that. I mean there was some some similarities of the league that he was playing in when he started playing football But it was nothing like American football. I don't think so. So where where he got a university

It was a Houston where he had a pretty solid career there and then the way he got to the Patriots I'm pretty sure like the New England Patriots, they were looking for an offense to tackle at the time, you know, uh, to, to start for, for them or just to back up. We needed someone. Yeah. And, uh, yeah. And, uh, I'm pretty sure he played in the East West game. East West, right. After the, after being, you know, in college at the University of Houston. And that's when he really got scouted by the Patriots.

And I'm pretty sure the Patriots sent Dante Scarnecchio, one of the best offensive line coaches in the history. History. Of the game, no doubt about that. I mean, he's the reason to a lot of our success in New England. And what's wild is like, he's tiny. Like, you know, offensive line coaches are usually

offensive linemen beforehand. Like Dante Scarnec had demanded a room. He was older, like 75, 70 foot five, 10, 180 pounds. And he just lined up his offensive lineman, like a drill sergeant and just controlled them like unbelievable. I remember the first day of Rukio TAs. I'm like, oh my God. I don't know if it was going to Seabass,

but I was like, that was my welcome to the NFL moment. Like, holy shit. And then they scouted Sebastian. They had a workout with him. I mean, I saw a clip of Dante. He did his pro day. He did his pro day and he put him through a workout. And he said that, you know, Sebastian was smart.

He did everything that he was told. He picked up on everything. He picked up on the schemes out of way. It's just showing how smart he was. And, and they also talked about how Sebastian learned that English language. How was that Rob? And that was just watching American flicks. She's American TV. American TV.

Man, I watch German TV and my eyes are going to space faster than Michael Strahan went to space. This guy learned English. How'd you learn English? Oh, just learned it. Just growing up, just did. I was around it a lot as a kid, being around my mom, my dad, my brothers, friends. Who was your first word?

Mama, mama. But it was Baba. Mama. I wonder what Sebastian's first word was, because it's not mama. That's English. Yeah. What do you think it was? It's probably like, oh, my. Oh, my. Oh, his grandma. I'm like, oh, my. You want to, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, He knew that it was never good. He knew it was never good. That's a, that's a great observation coach Belichick. That's, that's called scouting right there.

Sebastian was athletic. Great. Hey, I'm scouting Sebastian right now. Okay. I know you're getting excited. He's athletic. Great size. He was light on his feet.

He has 36 to 38 inch arms, depending on the workout that he did that day. He's thick everywhere, dude. I'm telling you, he's thick. His calves, his quads, forearms, biceps, triceps, abs. See, like, he's thick. It's like he almost had a six pack, but he didn't because he was so big, but he thick, like thick boy, man.

Big boy. But he wasn't like fat. No, he wasn't fat at all. He's always, well, now he's like a bodybuilder. He's shredded, he looks so good right now. He looks like a tight end. He looks like Van Damme was like six foot eight. He's that ripped right now.

He's got good feet. He always had good feet. He was always on balance. I was working out with him, Brian's. Yeah, EPS. EPS, yes, EPS, going into my second year in the league during the lockout, the NFL lockout, we would always be working out there. I just remember him working out and like, I was just amazed how strong he was.

He took 140 pound dumbbell, just went right on the bench, grab the other one, just like this, that easy. And just started tossing it up for a set of 10, 140 pound dumbbells for a set of 10, like it was nothing. The Germans have particular beer that makes them very strong. Well then let me keep drinking, Jules, because I want to be very strong like Sebastian. And if he was drinking beer to make him strong, I need another beer. Fill me up, please.

I already had one. I want one more. I got you. While you fill me up. How about the time when coach Belichick put him out there and he's told Sebastian Volmer, hey, if you catch this point, oh, you're done for the day. Everyone's off practice. Hey, that's it.

Hey, that's all meetings. What happened? What happened? What did Sebastian do? He caught a punt. He caught a punt. He gave us training camp. That was early in our career. It was. That was my I think my rookie year or my my second year in the league.

I think it was my second year. But that was great. See, Bass, thank you for coming through. I'll remember it, you know, for rest of my my second year in the league. I think it was my second year, but that was great See bass. Thank you for coming through. I'll remember it, you know for rest of my life that you got me off meetings that night Thank you. Amen cuz those meetings are way too long his first start in 2009 was the Was that Tennessee Titans game where it snowed in like October 15th or something like that? He was replacing Matt light who was starting I think he got banged up We didn't give up a sack like it was his first game in pressure was on young football player from Germany and Helps give up zero sacks and we blew out the Tennessee Titans that like what 59 nothing. It was 59 nothing

You know, I know why you guys, you know, won that game 59-0, and why Tom threw like eight touchdown passes in the first quarter. Because he was very comfortable that Sebastian Bomer was his left tackle. He was comfortable. He was comfortable. Just like we were all comfortable when Coach Belichick said, hey, Sebastian Bomer, you catch this punt right here on this windy day at training camp when we've been running you guys for 15 straight days into the ground. Not a day off. Full pads. Twice a day. If you catch this punt, I'm gonna give you guys meetings off tonight. But we will have practice

tomorrow, but you guys will have meetings off tonight. And what'd he do? He caught the punt when he didn't have meetings. He caught the punt so I could go home and do this quicker. We got to give him a little bit more credit in his broadcasting career because he has made a name for himself in the country of Germany because he's bringing the game and a lot of awareness of American football and bringing it over. And he's doing a great job to translate it. I see a lot of things.

He translates English to German translator Translator, yeah. To help people in that country understand the game. So he's doing a great job expanding and having unbelievable role like that. Without a doubt, he's making the game bigger. He probably loves his home country. He does. And he loves football.

And it's great for him to be able to share the game that he's loved with the people where he's from. That's like some beautiful stuff. It's beautiful like Europe. It is beautiful like Poland, actually. Poland's beautiful. And that's why Sebastian's so beautiful as well, because Poland's right near Germany.

It might connect, but I don't think it does. I think they touch. They touch. That's why we just sympathize for each other and we have so much connection because I'm a Polak, he's German and we just have that tightness. We feel each other, we understand each other and he's just a good guy. I'm a good guy and I'm just going to keep drinking and just keep getting emotional because I'm blacked out. It's a beer and a half tools

Time all right. All right. What is he? You're ready? You're ready? I just broke out of house You're in it. I was in it. What kind of dude is Sebastian? Bulmer is this Done. Yeah, I mean he is pretty studly if you think, a guy that came from, he's probably one of the badass dudes from his country never played our country's most famous sport, most popular sport and comes in and becomes a fucking damn good football player. All right. On three, you say what you think he is. I'll say what I think he is. All right. One, two, three, Wiz. Yeah, baby. Give me some. Give me some. Obviously, some probably we know him. We played with them. So we're going to be on the same page of what he is. I mean, he's definitely a Wiz. If you think about it, to be able to come out, out of high school, from Germany, to go to a university in America and play American football, learn the language through TV, be as smart as he was on the field. You never saw Emmy from Sebastian Vollmer.

He's for sure a whiz. Clutch, catching the punt for us to get us the night off of meetings. Like he was the guy. He's a whiz for sure. You said it all. Jules. You said it all. Here's a whiz. Guys. Smiles can be picked up the schemes that one of the hardest blocking schemes and all football just like that. I think he picked up English better than you and I speak it. No, he sure has. And if you ask him, he would agree to that. He definitely would.

I love those too, but they cuckoo, they cuckoo. That's what he would say. Is everybody crazy? Mm, yeah. I love them. I love them. We love you, Sebas. First guy we'll be doing today in this Oklahoma, Alabama

Rivalry is it really a rivalry? It's about to be about to because Oklahoma what they just move into the SEC Can you explain what's going down in college? Because I'm not truly up to date with all these new conferences with teams moving from one conference to another Yeah, can you just explain to everyone out there? Because I thought Oklahoma was in the Big 12, but now you're saying they're in the SEC. Yeah. Can you update me, please? Yeah. Conference realignment this year because of the bracket. There's going to be a 16 game playoff and a lot of money.

There's going to be a lot of money. So now UT Texas is in the SEC. Oklahoma is in the SEC, which is outrageous, but also freaking cool because it's not a rivalry yet, but this could turn into a rivalry. Oklahoma versus Alabama is something we rarely see, but we're going to see it now, you know, every year. So I think it's awesome. The money's gonna be big for these conferences, but the matchups, man, college football has been so exciting this year,

watching Oregon get to play Ohio State and these teams that you only got to see once every blue moon play each other in bowl games, that now you're getting to see powerhouse top five programs play each other that you didn't get to see before. I think it's awesome. That is awesome. Thank you for clarifying that. the big 12 house top five programs play each other that you didn't get to see before. I think it's awesome. That is

awesome. Thank you for clarifying that the University of Arizona is now in the big 12. I feel like they replaced you know, Oklahoma. I went to the University of Arizona. Here's a little fun fact. The University of Arizona want the

University of Oklahoma last year in the Sun Bowl giving us one of our best bowl wins of, you know, the history of the University of Arizona. Let's go wild. Give it up to the Wildcats. Okay. Not doing so great this year, but you know how to bring up some positives since we're talking about Oklahoma and we beat Oklahoma last year. But let's get back to it. Let's talk about Kyler Murray, the number one pick in the 2019 NFL draft. Ladies and gentlemen, here he is. Kyler Murray is a good looking dude.

Oh man. Look at that headband. He's slick. He's like, looks like an athlete. That's swag. Yeah. Swaggy. That's it right there.

He's like real swaggy. What is swaggy captain? He is. Yeah. He really is. Let's start the clock. What's a, I get to say about him. All right.

Kyler Murray. Start with AI AI The AI description of Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray is a dynamic NFL quarterback known for his elite dual threat ability, excelling both as a passer and a runner. AI so far is totally spot-on. Spot-on. Drafted first overall by the Arizona Cardinals in 2019. He has earned a pro bowl selection and offensive rookie of the year honors. Wow. Murray has thrown for over 13,000 yards and 84 touchdowns in his first four seasons while also rushing for over 2000 yards and 23 touchdowns.

Joker makes plays. That's dynamic right there. Joker makes plays. Before the NFL, he starred. Choker makes plays. That's dynamic right there. Choker makes plays. Before the NFL, he stared. Yeah, he starred. I was going to say stared. Well, it's starred. I've done that a few times.

Before the NFL, he starred at Oklahoma Jules. He probably was also staring at things as well in the fan, you know, in the bleachers then up in the stadium. Oklahoma. Oklahoma. Yeah. They've got some beautiful ladies out here. So he was probably staring. Yeah, that's just what I hear. All right. Back back to it. Before the NFL, he starred, starred at Oklahoma where he won the Heisman Trophy in 2018 and after transferring from Texas A&M.

See, I didn't know that Texas A&M. How long was he had Texas A&M. See, I didn't know that. Texas A&M. How long was he at Texas A&M for? I think two years. You don't even know. Let's get back to 2015. Just one year and then he transferred to Oklahoma. Off the field, Murray is known for his calm demeanor, love for video games and the rare distinction

of being drafted in both the NFL and MLB. Fucking AIs got him liking video games. AIs on point. They are on point. AI is kind of a video game, so they definitely need to get that in. Yeah, it's just crazy that even computers know that Kyler. What team was he drafted by Jules? What do you Arizona Cardinals?

No, no, no, in the MLB. Oh, in the MLB? By the MLB. MLB team, nope. All right, I'll give you a clue. They're moving in the next year or two to a different city. Oakland A's. Yes, Oakland A's, your hometown.

Yeah, Oakland A's. Now, I wasn't an A's fan, Rob. I wasn't an A's fan, but now. You were a Giants fan. I was a Giants fan, but the A's hat was always cool. And I mean, I went to one A's game and I think there was 14 people there. Well, I know what's crazy is there was 14 people there.

And they went to the playoffs. Yeah, they did go to the playoffs. Wait, this year? No, the year I went, I was like a little kid. But there was 14 people there, like, in the last three years at every game. And then all of a sudden they're like, oh, we're gonna go to Vegas.

Which makes sense. You're getting 14 people a game. You need to keep the Organization going the money flowing. It's a business. Yeah, and then all of a sudden everyone starts complaining that they're moving It's like wait a second like you're not even going to any of the games. Yeah, but Oakland it's it's it's a tough thing in Oakland You're from there. So let's hear it You know The the city doesn't want to they don't want to do new stadium and I feel bad for the people in Oakland because they've lost all their teams, Raiders aren't there no more.

And, and, and they, and the A's are leaving. They love their sports. It's, it's unfortunate, but like you said, it's a business. You want to know what's going on? What? Steph Curry stealing all the fandom. Well, they left too. They used to be in Oakland and then they went to San Francisco.

So like everyone has left Oakland. I didn't know that. Yeah. One of they switch. They switch probably with like five years ago. Really? What? Just like over the bridge? Yeah, literally. Like five miles away. Probably like three, three miles away. And what's going on in Oakland? Marshaan, come on. You got to run for governor in Oakland.

We got to get we need you, Marshawn. Mayor would you know, Mayor, Mayor, Governor. Yeah, I'll take mayor. Isn't I don't think there's a governor of a city. No, there's a governor of a state. Yeah. Well, we need him to run for mayor of Oakland. And actually, Marshall has a podcast with them. All right. Back to Kyler Murray, ladies and gentlemen.

All right. Here's some fun facts. AI spitting out fun facts. Now, Kyler Murray is the first athlete to be drafted in the first round of both the NFL and MLB Stud he has a deep love for video games and is an avid player of Call of Duty often streaming on platforms like Twitch Dialed mm-hmm kid has dialed. I've seen him. I've seen him shoot out a bunch of sweaty little try-hards I've watched his twitch stream kid is good a bunch of sweaty little tryhards. I've watched his Twitch stream. Kid is good.

The kid is dialed and he, I mean, he's accurate on the field. He's accurate on the map. Is he like as good as like one of those like video gamers like what's his name, like Ninja? You know who Ninja is? Yeah, I know Ninja. I know the face playing guys. Is he like in that level?

He competes, he plays with them and he holds zone, I think think Kyler Murray kind of plays his game like after a video game too Like you know Madden like the quarterback runs all over the place. That's like what Kyler Murray does. Maybe transfers I mean he is a video game player So if you're like some like five foot ten high school kid that had Madden You would put up all the stats you'd make your guys still five ten But you'd put all your Madden guys stats up to 99 at 5'10", and that's what Kyler Murray looks like on the football field.

Like 99 speed, 99 arm, 99 quickness. What about his elusiveness? When we were watching the film, you think he looks like Johnny Manziel. He does. He kind of looks like Manziel when he was in college at Texas A&M. They both started at Texas A&M. Is this a back thing? Yeah, they both run kind of looks like Manziel when he was in college at Texas A&M. Because he they both started at Texas A&M. Yeah, they both like run kind of straight up.

They're both the same height and their feet both like pitty pattern like that. Yeah. But Kyler Murray is at another level of speed and elite quickness and kind of like take Johnny Manziel what he was doing in college and then you you throw him on the cardinals and make him into Kyler Murray and they kind of played a similar way. Similar. Similar. Similar. I just think Kyler is in a whole other catas- Oh no 100% but- The speed but I-

But they they had the same body type. They did. Same movement, same growing form. Same sprint sprint movement. I can see you were watching in the sauna you're like look it looks like Johnny Manziel. I'm like kind of does look like Johnny Menzel. All right. One more fun fact, despite being one of the shortest starting quarterbacks in NFL history at five, 10, how tall are you? Jules? I'm five, 10. All right. So he's the same exact height as you. Can you imagine yourself behind, you know, the line at five, 10 throwing passes? You know, when you watch his film, he's got such great feet. He'll take like

a seven step drop out of a freaking shotgun snap and dart it like he has really good, I couldn't imagine it. That's why he's a one of one. This guy's freaky because like he's five, 10. He doesn't play small. He can play within the pocket, but he changes the game. He moves the pocket a lot.

But sometimes he makes those big plays in the pocket because he has such an arm. I really think he's like a madden player. He's almost unfair. Like when you played golden eye, when you were a kid and someone would be odd job, remember odd job. I do. He was tiny and he was kind of like wider, but he would just like crawl all over the place. And you can never see him. And he had automatic headshot every time. Yeah, automatic headshot because his gun level was higher. So it was so much. He had the golden gun at all times because he was so accurate.

I'm telling you, I'm Mary's hot job, bro. Unfair. Yeah, Kyler Murray is accurate on the move. He has exceptional vision, even being at 510, just watching his film. I mean, he can make every throw makes everything he can do. The deep ball, you know, lead the wide receiver so he can get underneath it. So the receiver can turn his jets on and go out and get the ball and outrun the defender. Also, the back shoulder, too. That's what I was really impressed with.

Kyler Murray was his back shoulder throws. I mean, half of the deep balls were back shoulder. The way just how quick his feet are is just incredible. It's like, but but but but but like even when he's dropped a little speeding, as you know, even when he's back piloting in the pocket, but boom, and he's right when he gets like his seventh step and he plants in his back foot, boom, the ball is out out and he's reading the defenders like no other and gets it out to the guy that he needs to get it out to. So he can do it all.

He can do it all in the past game. Then he can do it all in the run. He anticipates really great also because of his height. You watch him and he'll throw before guys out of his break. Like it's a perfect throw. Wasn't he a Heisman winner? Yeah. He won the Heisman. He won the Heisman. He dominated in college. When he was at Oklahoma, they didn't win at all though. They weren't national champions were they? No. They were in the mix of it. They were in the mix. Lincoln Riley, I believe, right? Lincoln Riley over there. Have you ever met a Kyler? I never met Kyler before man never met him in my life Not even bet in the same vicinity as him before usually like with every athlete met him real quick or been like at a party

With them like this is one guy just never seen maybe he's just so quick. I just just never seen him when or he's at the party Maybe he don't go out. He's back at home gaming. Yeah, he's playing those games. What is she all duty? Oh duty. I mean he's on phase clan. I think he joined phase clan, right? He partnered with Call of Duty Yeah, he was on like Call of Duty. I think black ops 6 ad campaign I mean I was a Call of Duty guy back in the day. I'm actually the guy that loves to play Dal Reese Zombies. Yeah on Call of Duty you ever play it? I mean, I play a little zombies. Oh, zombies, my favorite. That was a while back.

I used to run home my fourth year in the NFL and I used to run home right at 330, right when we got out of meetings. I would run home and I would start playing zombies and we would start at 345 and we would probably play until about 930 at night. And like you would get to level like 38 and it takes like three hours and then you get killed and then you just get so mad you would restart and then you would have to get back to level 38 and takes another you know three hours to do it but you got to get past level 38 this time. So you're like automatically playing zombies six seven hours every night. I was like that was like when Fortnite first came out.

I mean we all like to game and it's a it's a good outlet for an athlete because it keeps you out of trouble. Honestly, if you go home and game like I know he gets a bad rap. And I thought it was kind of crazy that they had to put in his contract. Oh, like he had to watch film and stuff. You don't want that free from your quarterback. But this is a new generation quarterback. You know what a guy does on his downtime if he gets all his work in.

Yeah. Is whatever. That's like the least thing you got to worry about, too. Like the guy is playing too many video games. Like let's put it in his contract that he has to study this much amount of film before he can leave the building or whatever it was, because he's going to go home. Like imagine if the guy was going out, you know, getting in trouble out at the club till 3 a.m., then that's a problem. I mean, he's going home to play video games and video games like when you get lost in video games

It's actually like one of the best feelings in the world like I when I was playing zombies I'm telling you like nothing else mattered in my life Like if I had a bad game that week it didn't matter. I have like 400 kills. I killed 400 zombies I'm saving the world like didn't matter. I going it's an outlet for you to hang with the boys Talk with your friends like not have to think about stuff It's a way for you to get lost and I understand it. So LeBron just when he came out He's a top hundred Madden player. I guess so. I mean he that's his claim to top hundred Madden player. I guess so. I mean, he that's his claim to fame of playing Madden as a need any claim to fame, but claim the fame of playing Madden. I don't know if he's

really a top 100 player. He's never posted anything. Usually if you're that good, you're always posting. So Rob, I think he's posting. Has he posted? He posts all the time. Is someone playing for him? I just feel like, nah, I just feel like he's not a top one. I bet you LeBron's dirt. Who wins LeBron versus Kyler? I don't know. Who wins? I think Kyler Murray wins because Kyler Murray had a you know a cause in his contract that he has to study Film before he can go home because he wanted to play video games that bad. So who wins in 2k LeBron or Kyler? Kyler. So you think Kyler is beating LeBron hands down? When you're that good at call of duty.

His finger dexterity. He is. Exactly. It transfers over to every video game. Yeah. When you're good at one, when you're the best at one, you can play every other video game. Well, the thing is, LeBron is in our age. He's my he's like around my age and we started with three buttons. When you're on Sega or Nintendo, that's three buttons. Kyler Murray is like 22 or something.

How old. Kyler Murray's like twenty-two or something. How old's Kyler? Twenty-eight. Twenty-six. Twenty-six. He started out like twenty-five. So, he's been using all his little fingers on all those little computers like and

he's probably a keyboard guy. He's a yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah He does. He had that Hail Mary, right? Yeah. You have that Hail Mary to Dihop. Yeah. Does he have a playoff win? I think he has a clutch gene, but like he doesn't have a playoff win.

You got it. You got it. You can't have clutch gene in the NFL until you. Yeah, but he has like a clutch gene in regular season. Like he makes plays. Yeah, he does. The clutch gene is him making plays at any given time. He does not have that clutch gene and getting that team to the next level. Yeah. I mean, you know how hard it is in the NFL to get that. It's hard to win. It's hard to win. There's other great quarterbacks, other great teams out there, but he does have a clutch gene to make big plays. And you want to

know something else about the Arizona Cardinals. They're not a consistent team. They're not going to the playoffs. He doesn't have a playoff win, but they're a team that can upset any other team any given Sunday. I've dangerous. They are the dangerous teamwork. And it's because of Kyler Murray. If everyone plays well on their team and Kyler's got it going, they're hard to beat going through coach and change. Now, you know, you're trying to redo the roster, revamp the roster.

It's, it's tough. They got some guys, Marvin Harrison, Jr. I love them. I mean, those two are going to be a duel. I know, but they've been struggling to get him the ball. How about that? Hail Mary, the Hail Murray in 2020 COVID season. See what you did there. Hail Mary, where he went back and he threw it and D hop came down

with in the, you got that picture of D Hobbs, big old hands, snagging that football. What a crazy, it was voted the play of the year that year mm-hmm was in the ESPYs or something like what 11 seconds left 43 yards you know the throw was and it was so what beat the bill yeah they were down by how many they were down 20 83 to 9 in the third in the third and they came back but getting back to last play what's what's the key to stopping a last play Hail Mary well first off it has to be a Hail Mary because if it's not and you put a guy like myself in then the Miami Miracle happens I mean open field tackle yeah open field tackle that's not a Hail

Mary though so let's get back on the Hail Mary the kid the key to the fat you know how Mary my quads were hurting that day okay they were tired I had a couple catches that game it was a bad year okay Okay. We won the Superbowl that year. It's okay. Six point six guy in open field with 30. That's so hard. You can't do that. I wanted to freaking tackle them though. That would have been the highlight of my career. What do you think you had to do to tackle them? Not slip. I kind of slipped. You got to scallop. As Scotty O'Brien would say, you got to scallop. Scallop and gather. Don't stop your feet.

Keep your feet moving and then break. Well, I didn't do any of that. Let's get back to the Hail Mary, because I've defended one of them before. And the key to defending a last second play is, first off, you've got to get a wide receiver, the biggest guy on your team out there that's athletic, kind of like a Randy Moss. He used to be Moss, and then turned into Rob. Yeah, then he turned into Rob.

Turn to the myself and you just got to go up there. You don't, you're not even trying to, you know, intercept the ball. You just want to get a hand on it. If you get a hand on it, though, you know, play is going to be completely over and you're trying to smack it down as well. You don't want to smack it up in the air because then it can go anywhere and then anyone can catch it at any given time. You know, just go up, jump as high as you can, kind of try to push another defender down because they're not really going to call flag on that play. I mean, it's kind of like the known rule on a Hail Mary and just swap that thing. Sorry, you can kind of like you're swatting a fly out of the air like,

what? And then games over game is I just got an epiphany of like Rob playing beach volleyball and just slamming a ball down in someone's face You play the rock spike and I love beach volleyball. You're probably nasty. You know, I gotta play more beach volleyball I don't play me neither. I mean, I love it. I used to play I mean, I played probably five times in my life and I loved it every time beach volleyball is cool But the thing about beach volleyball is like the competition is always real Yeah, because it's not like you're gonna go out out there and it's going to be beginners, you know, playing beach volleyball. It's always people that are like legit volleyball players that legitimately play on a daily basis or they formerly played in college.

You got to be ready. You got to practice. Like we should do one on one for a little bit. You keep your head on a swivel or else you're going to get the ball spiked right off right. I know. No, straight meet the fall. No, what's that movie? Meet the parents. For a little bit you can your head on a swivel or else you're gonna get the ball spiked right off right? I know you know Yeah, meet the fall be no what's that movie? Uh meet the parents now where that volleyball is gonna become your best friend Oh, yeah castaway castaway. Yeah, I cast away you and that volleyball We should put you in the Olympics in four years started training you for volleyball

Why would you really hear it? Everyone else already, everyone else is six, seven, six, eight, and they're really good at volleyball. Well, why would I be on the team? Oh, I know why I can stand on my third leg and then I'm seven, two. And then I just put my hands over the net. Yeah. You'd be a great blocker.

Yeah, great blocker. Time. All right, well, what kind of dude is Kyler Murray? I mean, Joel, it's been 21 minutes. I know. And we still haven't gotten down to the point. Is he a stud? Is that thotticism?

Is football IQs there? Is pedigree of the game is there? Is he a freak, which he kind of is a freak, just how fast he is and how elusive he is. He's freaky. He's freaky 100 million percent for especially his height and what he was gifted with. Dudes, dude.

Dudes, dude. Dudes, dude. Didn't he? Didn't he had to do a trip or something in LA recently? Possibly. Yeah. A trip where I think why he invited like 10 of his teammates out. Yeah. Got a chef, got some massages.

Renting a mansion in Bel Air. He's like the French. He's like the fresh Prince of Bel Air. Team bonding. Team. That's that's tight. We never really did team bonding trips. No, we didn't.

We did here and there. Montana. We would do like random routes. We would do random route team trips. Where was Tom just calling you up? Hey, let's run some routes. It's the off season. Let's make sure we still got it and we can maintain it.

It'll just be out of nowhere and we would do it wherever we are. Wherever UCLA, the frickin grass field in the middle of the woods in freaking Massachusetts. The thing that pissed me off, though, like Tom would find like a 60 yard patch of grass that's like, oh, it's grass. We can just run around here. And sometimes it'd be the most uneven grass. And you're over here like, Tom, we got to we got to sprint on this stuff. We're like, you like, this is like putting a Formula One car on a fucking gravel pit. I mean, what are we doing here? You know what I mean?

This is not what we're, you know? Or a monster truck in the Grand Canyon. Yeah. It doesn't belong. It doesn't belong. The Grand Canyon's gonna eat up the monster truck. That's the only time the monster truck loses. But yeah, team, that's real. I like that. I like hearing that. So that means he's kind of time the monster truck loses. But yeah, team bought it.

That's real, I like that. I like hearing that. So that means he's kinda dude to dude. Yeah, he is a dude to dude. All right, all right. Especially to all the video gamers too. On a count of three, you say what you think he is and I'll say what I think he is.

All right. Ready? One, two, three. Wizz. Freak! What'd you say? I said freak. And you said whiz. I said whiz.

But he can only be one. So he's not a freak or he is a whiz. I mean, he is a whiz. I mean, he's a dual sport athlete. So obviously you got to be super smart to know the inside and out of both games and to be that I bet you he can write that freaky as well. That's right. Right. All right. Code.

Yeah, but that plays video games on keyboard. He's a whiz. We're talking athleticism, though. Athletic wise. Yeah, he's a freak. He's a football player, but he's not like seven feet tall. Yeah, you're right. And everyone that's five, 10 is that fast.

And can move at the quarterback position. Yeah, he's elite. If I like if he was moving like that at my size then that's freaky because of his Athletic speed and his ability to throw he's so innovative He's part of that whole innovative running quarterback that like everyone's trying to get now fine. You convinced me Jules Let's try again. Now. You ready? One two three ways There we go. He's a freak.

No, you said Wizz, didn't you? You said freak? Yeah. You did? I screamed with so loud, I didn't hear you. So that means Wizz wins. He's a Wizz, he's a Wizz. Why you gotta mess with me like that?

All right, who do we got? AFC North, they're powerhouses. They were going. Tough, tough division, tough defenses, and we just owned them all all because we're tough players. Now we didn't own them. We thought we battled them though. It was war for the Steelers.

We're going to go with Troy, Palo, Malu, Greatest Hair, Troy, Palo, Malu. Oh, my Tasmanian devil. What is what is I got to say? Start the clock on Troy, Palo, Malu, Troy, Palo, Malu,omale a 510 200 pound safety spent his entire NFL career with the Pittsburgh Steelers after being drafted 16th overall in the 2003 NFL draft I was born in 1989 so I was 14 years old when he was drafted into the NFL that's just support one fact out there

So you were probably at 16, 17. Yeah. He was known for his explosive style, nose for the ball, uncanny instincts, and trademark flowing hair. He finished his career with 32 interceptions, 783 tackles, and three defensive touchdowns. He was an eight time Pro Bowler, two time Super Bowl champion, and won the NFL defensive player of the year in 2010. Wow. That was my rookie season. Yeah, second year.

Solidifying his status as one of the most versatile and disruptive safeties in the game. He was named to the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 2020. Well, let me tell you this, Jules. Here's a little another fun fact. In 2010, when he was all pro safety and I was a rookie I scored three touchdowns versus that defense. I scored three touchdowns versus an all pro safety baby that year in 2000. No, NFL defensive player of the year in 2010. It necessarily wasn't on him. He wasn't covering me, but still he was still on the defensive side of the ball. And I forgot he was the defensive player of the year two in 2010. Maniac love him. The Tasmanian devil.

He really is. I mean, I grew up in the Bay Area, so there was a lot of Polynesian people in my communities. Like my high school football team was like probably 60% Polynesian, either Samoan or Tongan or Hawaiian. Anytime there was like a like a Polynesian football player, that was a stud in our in our circles. They were like gods. Like it was when I was real young, it was Junior Seau.

And then it became Troy, Paul O'Malley, who like he was like the god of all gods for all these dudes that like he was just a fucking maniac on the field. He was like the nicest dude. He used to hit guys and do little prayers afterwards because he was so nice sold. I just remember always loving this guy because of all the Polly's in my neighborhood. Did he ever hit you and then like just kind of like prayed over you Julian? Has that happened? You know, I remember I had to block him a

couple times and I did catch like a ghost route on him once, but then he like, he leveraged me out of bounds. He never blew me up or anything. He was one of those once again in that like cam chancellor category where he's like a polite competitor. He never really talked shit. He was, he was kind of all about his business and like that's how I felt when I played against him.

Those are the guys you don't want to take off either. Never. They're already so good and so fierce playing on the field, but they're also so nice. So imagine you just take them off. You bring them to that next level where they're not nice anymore. Imagine just their amplifyingness. There's amplifyingness. They're amplifying.

Yes. Amplifyingness. There we go, baby. Just imagine how much more that would be. How much more those hits would hurt if you take them off. What I love the bottom. He was a ball hog, bro. I don't feel always around the ball, no matter what the situation was. He was a deep safety.

And let me tell you, he was in the backfield more than he was back in his own backfield on the deep side of the ball, making sacks, making tackles for losses. And what I really loved about him too, just knew how to jump the snap. Yeah. Better than anyone. He time snaps like there's like probably like five, six plays of him jumping over the line of scrimmage on like a fourth and one and grabbing the quarterback and getting a head start for the QB sneak. Like he was just a guy that knew the football always around the football,

blew up screens. He was played in the box always. He was tough in the run game. He was a great blitzer. I would say he's a top five top three blitzer of blitzing safety of all time. Never, you know, rarely missed a tackle. Do you think he could have played receiver? Because just the way that he was such a ball hawk in the, you know, it's blitzing safety of all time. Never, you know, rarely miss a tackle. Do you think he could have played receiver because just the way

that he was such a ball hawk and the, you know, the ball skills that he possessed. Probably because he, you know, he would have been great slot. You know, he he knows coverage and those guys, he's very instinctive with space in the field. He

always made tough catches. It's it's different when the ball is coming to you but you know, who are the other top blitzers you think? Jamal Adams was a really good blitzer? And you know, a more a more recent guy who recent he was vicious. He was strong. He was a bulldozer coming through the middle. He tossed me out the club a few times. Yeah, I saw that. I was right there. Remember that? Yeah.

I mean, but but you you you didn't back down, dude. And he was a young buck. You were hurting. I remember you were hurting, but you still gave it to him. He could come in. He had. But he would take himself out the play he would he would take himself out he would literally blow me up like I go in to get the force he would blow me up we would run for 15 right by him like is you know what I mean well that's what makes Troy Palamalu so great is that he would make those guesses and he would blow up the play but he's also making the play yeah he's not missing and if he miss, he's forcing the play to go back inside or to go

outside or wherever he needs it to go. So then his teammates can make the play because of what he did to force that play to go where it was going. Just a wizard with the knowledge of the game. Unbelievable dude in coverage. These safeties, especially in this division, AFC North, they were like fun football players to watch when you watched Troy Paul Amalu or like an Ed Reed or the, you know, these were the guys that we played against and that are from our generation. So we know these guys, but you could say that about like the Ronnie lots of the back days, the the atwells, the lynches.

When you always had great safety like play, it was like fun guys to watch. Interceptions, big hits, you know, fumble recoveries. He just did it all. And he was like a heartbeat. A lot of those great defenses Pittsburgh Steelers had. I went to high school, actually actually my senior year in Pittsburgh. I'm all pro or all state, whatever, defense events. So I get invited to this, you know, Pittsburgh gala for a high school football athletes.

And then who's there? Troy Palamalu, who's up on the stage. It's a dinner. Everyone's recognized. And then Troy Palamalu gives a speech, an unbelievable speech. What a guy. What a guy about faith, about doing the right thing. All the good stuff gets a round of applause.

Absolutely loved in Pittsburgh. This guy. I loved him. Who didn't love. I know. Even when I was facing him, I loved him. I'm sitting there. I'm sitting there, though, just like looking at the best safety in the game. One of the best safeties in the game. And I'm in high school and I'm sitting there. He's giving the speech round of applause.

And I just literally want to go up to him and tell him, Hey, I'm Rob Grankowski. I'll be seeing you in a couple of years. You wanted to say, I wanted to say that to him. How does hair look? It was good. Looks exactly how it was every single day that he was playing. He always all the way to this day. Great hair. Unbelievable. So just full circle moment. It was just unbelievable. I said it to a couple of buddies. I'm going to face Troy Palomalo. And then four years later, I'm facing Troy Palomalo, man. So I just thought that was a cool moment, just kind of put it in the perspective, kind of manifesting this guy who's a legend who's speaking to me

when I was in high school that I'm going to go over some one day. And it happened. And it was really cool because then I did go over some. Can you ask me what happened on a play when I went versus him? So what did you do in your rookie year when you played them? Oh, it was my, it was, well, I scored three touchdowns versus dealers, my rookie year, but it wasn't versus Troy Palomalo. The play I'm talking about was my second year in the NFL.

I did an in cut, caught the ball. Troy Palomalo went to tackle me. He jumped on my back and I brought him for a ride for five freaking yards. Troy Palomale went for a ride. It was like the Tom Brady going for a ride when that touchdown, but Troy Palomale trying to talk me. I got an extra five, six yards and I'm still waiting for him to, you know, give me that change for the ride. You know, when you put the quarter in. Yeah, Ted, what do you change where the horse he goes, we get up, giddy up, giddy up, horsey like he was giddy up, giddy up, giddy up, horsey.

What do you say? He's back. He played. I don't think he said anything played really hard. Maybe he is he. So he inspired you with that speech to manifest yourself to go while he was saying that speech. You're like, I'm going to go against him one day, hopefully. Now, hopefully I was going to go against him one day.

Wow. Jules, I know I know you're a guy about looks and, you know, scruffing up your beard and making sure you got the right gel to put your hair exactly where it needs to be placed. But what do you think about the greatest hair in the game? Troy Palomalo's. I do you think about the greatest hair in the game? Troy Palomalus? I mean, he had the best hair. Anyone that was on the head and shoulders, he'd been on head and shoulders commercials for probably about 15 years. I swear. I mean, him and Patrick Mahomes.

But I got another question. Having hair like that, like Troy had hair, does that make you look stronger, faster and bigger? It makes you look meaner. It does. It makes you look like a fucking warrior, bro. He, he, I could just see him doing the goddamn Hawke when I see that hair coming off the back helmet and talking about Polynesians as well. I'm a Hawke here. Is it just me? But are all Polynesians just strong as heck right out of the wound? Like they come out, like they don't even have to work out. Like

they'll go up and they do work out. They do, but they don't even even have to and they'll just go up and they'll toss up 400 on the bench press Like it's nothing you can't move Polynesians, man. They're so strong and they're so they got so much space to the ground Yeah, like they're attached like their legs are in the ground It feels like when you try to block them via Vita Vail. He was fucking just massive 360 pounds. You can't move that guy Oh my god yeah massive yeah now that they're they're just strong humans mm-hmm I had Laird Hamilton when he talked about the Polynesians and stuff he's Hawaiian and stuff like they're just cool people they're very like

tradition and stuff about their traditions time toy palomalo what kind of dude is Troy is he a style a freak dog freak, dog, whiz or dude's dude? Oh man, he he's he can hit a couple of deals. I mean, he's definitely a whiz. I mean, the knowledge of these also a dog in order to be in the backfield, basically half of the place and make the plays and be able to time up the snap count and be able to jump the snap count. I mean, you got to know the game to another level and also to be able to have that coverage that he has the range in zone was just phenomenal. You got to you got to be smart.

When? Yeah, I agree with you. He's definitely a whiz to me as well. The amount of screenplays that he blew up just instinctively reading the offensive lineman, you know, like you watch his highlight film, He blew up so many screens, pick screens. He also had great zone coverages, like you said. He just felt like he was everywhere on the field. And that's that's like very innovative.

And he's like just a wizard with how he was around. I agree. Ready? One, two, three. Where is stamp stamp? Where is? All right. It's out there. It's in the mailbox. There's a stamp like all over this piece of mail. But it's well known that he's a whiz. Stamp. Whiz. Whiz. All right. It's out there. It's in the mailbox. There's a stamp like all over this piece of mail, but it's well known that he's a whiz. OK. Ink stamp. You can't get it off. It's like when it's on your skin, you're just under the shower.

Kind of like when you go to the bar. Just washing it off like 50 times. Yeah. You come home and that ink. You're like, I don't want to show my mom I was out. Yeah. You're just under the sink for 10 minutes. And then you have red marks and she sees like, hey, what were you scrubbing on your palm? Or what were you scrubbing on top of your- Or is that a hickey?

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Find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Born in New Orleans, Louisiana, he would go on to play college football at San Diego State, where he was a two-time All-American. He played for the Indianapolis Colts, your favorite team, Julian, from 1994 to 1998, and the St. Louis Rams from 1999 to 2005.

The greatest show on turf he was sure part of. Actually, he was the show on turf, baby. He was drafted as the, little trivia, as the what? Just taking guess, one through four. Two. Ding, ding, ding, you are correct. He was drafted as the little trivia as the what? Just take a guess, one through four. Two. Ding, ding, ding, you are correct. He was drafted as a second overall pick in 1990 between three and five.

Four. 1994 NFL draft, that is correct. You're a genius, Jules. He was widely regarded, no wonder why you could play frickin' defense and offense at the same time. No way. He was widely regarded as one of the greatest running backs and NFL history. And in your mind, he was, I think he's the greatest of all time. There we go.

He has your heart. He was known for his speed power and ability to excel both as a rusher and a receiver. He was named NFL MVP in 2003, offensive player of the year awards and a super bowl championship. He was elected to the pro hall, pro football hall of fame in 2011, which was my fantasy football season that I dominated. So Marshall Falk and I, we have a connection. Oh, he went into the hall of fame. 2011. I had my best fantasy football season, baby

Oh, we on the same page. So we're on to Marshall Falk. Oh, oops. Oops. Oops. I gave it away I'm so sorry up here is still regarded as one of the best fantasy football running backs of all time But fantasy football was even that big in the 90s and 2000s, but he still regarded as one of the best That's how good he was Jules. We're on to Marshall Falk. Marshall Falk. First thing that comes to mind when I think about Marshall Falk. Is what, Jules?

What comes to your mind? I know he has your heart. I know he's your favorite running back of all time. I know you think he's the best running back of all time in your heart. I think, you watch Marshall Falk. He reminds you of Barry Sanders, and he also, like, he had the stop go,

he was really good at cutting back, he had really great vision, he's bigger than what you thought, and then you throw in the pass game where he is the original. I mean, there's Roger Craig and those old West Coast, but he was like the original fucking personnel problem guy where like he got thousand. I think he did the thousand thousand.

He did that one time, but he had a lot like 800, 900, 400, five. He was a pivotal part of their past game. He was great in the run game like and he didn't get hurt. He was healthy his whole career like he didn't miss games. That's healthy his whole career. Like he didn't miss games. That's like unreal, especially how he played. I mean, he missed a game here or two, but he didn't have any significant time message. So like, he's, I think one of the,

he's probably, because of that, this is a newer style football of being someone that is using the pass game. It was super kind of like not known when Roger Craig and those old 49ers and those Bills teams, those running shoe teams and West Coast team. It wasn't like normal. After Marshall Falk, people were trying to make

Marshall Falk and then you get LTs and then you get the Christian McCaffrey's. It is because Marshall Falk, man, took it to a whole nother level. I mean, I think he just, you know, miss only you were talking about how prolific of a player he was in sustainability. I think he just missed only 16 games in his 12 years of playing and at the running back position getting what what 30 plus carries a game getting tackled that many times and

just to miss 16 games out of 12 seasons is just incredible. All those catches as well running full speed downhill, a linebacker running full speed at you and getting blown up and just still being able to be that sustainable and have that long longevity is just out of control. And the synopsis, the AI also missed that he was a seven time pro bowler. He was a three time all pro. You know, he was rookie of the year in 1994 as well. So right when he got on the scene, he was producing, man.

He was not a bust at all, obviously not a bust. We're talking about him as a great of all time, but he was producing right away. So he made that GM feel very good right from the beginning. Greatest show on turf, obviously. That's what you think of him whenever you hear about him, which was one of the coolest names that you could be associated with in all of football.

And what's great about Marshall Fogg, and LT as well, is that these guys were the running backs when the running back position was the absolute cheat. Like, everyone wanted to be a running back growing up best player not really anymore But this coming back it's coming back. It is coming back This is right now where these guys were everyone growing up Even if you were a defense alignment, you still wanted to be a running back. I was a tight end I wanted to be a running back because of these guys LT and Marshall Falk, baby

No without a doubt. Isn't it crazy to think he played with Peyton Manning? Hey, Manny. Yeah, he played Shit too though. Yeah, nobody. Yeah, no one remembers him. Everyone everyone forgets about how good of a colt He was he's got his his his jerseys in the rafters. He played four years there and they retired his jersey He was rookie of the year jerseys in the rafters. He played four years there and they retired his jersey. He was rookie of the year. His first game on the scene goes for 134, three touchdown debut. Like, that's crazy. He just he was a fucking machine.

He hit you like he hit you with the run run long run, hit you at the backfield. Talk about seam route. We talked about seam route with LT. He ran seam routes. He ran, I saw him run a bang eight, a post from the outside, which is a real receiver route. He used to run real receiver routes. Now they always throw this running back

can run routes like a receiver, which, you know. Which is rare. Like you can't, you can tell when it's a running back that's split out wide, especially in this era. But even now, a lot of guys, even the analysts will say this guy runs. He's got routes like a receiver But no, not sure. No that analyst is wrong. Yeah, Marshal Falk though. He had routes like a receiver Yes, he did He had routes like a receiver if you can run a post route split out wide and run a post route as a running back

That means you got routes like a wide receiver. That he, I mean, in cuts, out cuts, option routes. The typical route for running back right now, five yard hits route, fricking, we started one step, turn around, what's that called again real quick, like the quick pass, you just step one turn. Screen? Yeah, a little screen, rip screen to you.

They also a little under. A lot of angles. And the angles and the seams out of the backfield. Marshall Falk was running the whole entire fricking. Route tree. Route tree, yes, that's for sure. I mean, in 1999, 1,300 yards rushing, 1,048 receiving, Chris Johnson broke his record in 2009

though, 2,500 yards. Man, I forgot how good Chris Johnson was. Chris Johnson, CJ 2K baby. Yeah, he did, man, I forgot how good Chris Johnson was. Chris Johnson, CJ 2K, baby. Yeah, he did, that was crazy that year. The greatest show on turf year, 1999 to 2001, he had 59 touchdowns, six, or the greatest show on turf had 59 touchdowns, 6,756 yards of offense, and he won the MVP in 2000.

Who won the MVP? No, that's his stats. That's his stats. Oh. We do that. The three year run in the three year run in St. Louis with the greatest show on turf, 1999 through 2001. He had 59 touchdowns, 6,756 yards at offense,

any one MVP in 2000, and a Super Bowl. That is an elite three-year span. Now that's a show, if you ask me. I mean, Marshall Falk made playing on turf cool, even though playing on turf wasn't cool. Like, everyone wanted turf fields in high school because of Marshall Falk and the greatest show on turf wasn't cool. Like everyone wanted turf fields in high school because of Marshall Falk and the greatest show on turf, but you get so bruised and banged up playing on turf

that it was the worst idea ever to even step on turf. And it was old turf. You know what's crazy? He was on old turf and he played that many games and didn't miss that many games. That is crazy. That is like, that's built differently. You wanna hear a little cool, fun fact?

John Payton was his running back coach at the San Diego State University when he was there playing running back. How does a guy from- That's crazy. That's crazy. You know what it tells you? There's a lot of unscouted guys in Georgia. If he went to San Diego State,

or there's a lot of unscouted guys in Louisiana if he's went to San Diego State. Or there's a lot of unscouted guys in Louisiana if he's going to San Diego State. Well, talk about getting unscouted. He only had one offer. That's what I mean. Yeah, and it was to San Diego State. That's what I mean. You get, that's how much talent there is probably

goes unseen in Louisiana. I mean, you went unseen in your California. And we got a lot of big people. You weren't that good in high school, honey. I was pretty nice. Yeah. But also his high school, they were kind of like a heavy passing offense as well.

Like they didn't really. Okay. But he must have not been that great in high school though. Cause if you're that great, you kind of like changed from going to a heavy passing offense to like, yo, let's hand the ball off. Like this guy's a hundred times better. But like he must have really burst onto the scene

at San Diego State University, like once he got in the college, kind of like you Jules a little bit, not everyone is a beast from the beginning. Late bloomers they call it. Yeah, I'm telling you this, it's better to be a late bloomer than a early bloomer. How about, I can tell you that right now.

It sucks to be the greatest as a young buck and then you don't make it. No, yeah. So late bloomers, I'm a late bloomer. I think you just bloomed. Yeah. He sold popcorn at the Superdome as a kid. How crazy is that?

That is pretty crazy. But that's a lot of stories. That just shows his work ethic, just as a kid that's installed into him. And that's what makes you great. I was a paper boy growing up, and I took that route personal, and I wanted to make sure everyone had that paper

on their front porch when they woke up in the morning with the coffee in their hand opening up the door. The hard work and dedication was just installed into you as a young kid, and that's just like Marshall Falk selling popcorn at the Superdome. He wanted a job, and he wanted to get it done. You ever have any crazy you as a young kid, and that's just like Marshall Falk selling popcorn at the Superdome. He wanted a job and he wanted to get it done. You ever have any crazy jobs as a kid? I was a paperboy, I was also an umpire as a kid,

and I cooked. Let me see your strike three. Let me see your strike three. Strike three, you outta here, mother trucker! Ha ha ha ha ha. Did you used to bring these kids? I used to do, I used to umpire at college in Kent, and I used to ring up these kids all the time.

Ha ha! Ha ha! Ha ha! I'd change it up, certain kid lefty. I mean, I got in a real pickle once. You sounded like a true pro right there. That's true, you love like, you love the animated effects and you sounded like, oh, you got me there.

Shit, I just struck out over here with that strike. I went over here to ring these little kids up, send them home. Oh, hey, don't be thinking that ain't a strike, kid. Hold on, back to Marshall Falk. I mean, there's one. Yeah, I got a real pickle once. Do what?

Let's hear it. What this is. I like pickles. Yeah. Especially Angelica pickles, rugrats. Do do do do do do. No, she was mean actually. Yeah, that pickles was mean.

All right. All right, back to your pickle. Oh, oh, oh, Tommy pickles too. Tommy pickles was my favorite. Oh, pickle like you're in baseball. Like you get in a pickle. Oh, oh, oh, Tommy Pickles too. Tommy Pickles was my favorite. Oh, pickle, like you're in baseball? Like you get in a pickle. Oh, you're that type of pickle. Okay.

All right. So the- That was my favorite. You ever play running bases growing up? 100%. Yeah, it's all about being a pickle. Because kids love to play that game pickle, in this specific league, there was a rule

where they couldn't like the, the catcher couldn't sit and fake throw the ball at first. So like they had to throw it back and the runner couldn't advance to try to eliminate, to try to eliminate pickle. So one time the kids are doing it and all of a sudden, I tell the catcher, I'm like kid throw it, throw it back to the pitcher, he ain't going nowhere.

Well, he throws it back, the kid takes off. And I'm like, oh fuck. And so all of a sudden they throw it, and it goes over the kid's second basement, the kid gets all the way to third, and all of a sudden the coach is yelling at the catcher, why'd you throw it back? And the kid looks at me and he goes,

the ump told me to throw it back. So I'm sitting there, I got this coach over here, there's another coach over there, and I'm like, yeah, you gotta go back to first. All of a sudden this coach comes out, I was like, what the hell is you talking about? He's on third, he's on, I was like, nah, he's gotta go back, I told the kid to throw him back,

you know the rule, We can't do that. And I almost had to get suspended as an umpire because this guy filed a report like, oh, this guy can't do it. So I'm sitting there, this little kid, as soon as the pitcher comes back and I get under there and it's just me and him, because you know you have a relationship with the catcher

when you're behind the plate. I go, bro, didn't your friends ever teach you about snitches? And the kid goes, what? I was like, nothing, strike! Ha ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha ha! Well, fucking old guy. Oh, man.

Having a job as a kid, I mean, it teaches you a lot of values, you know what I mean? It sure does. You know, especially Marshall Falk selling popcorn at the Superdome. All right, and then just a little scouting port that I have on Marshall Falk, just watching some of his film, highlight films, top plays is that obviously he has a high football IQ to be able to, you know,

come out of the backfield and run all the routes and also to be able to carry the ball and know how to hit the gaps. You gotta know the whole game of football. He's, when you're that versatile of a player, you gotta have a high football IQ, which a lot of football players obviously have a high football IQ,

but he had it to a whole nother level and he's so elusive on the field, he makes defenders miss. But the one thing I really loved about him was he had one of the best spin moves, man. Spin moves. Off the charts. He just smoothed with it too. Remember when we were watching some research

and there was a clip of Mike Martz. Remember we were talking, he was the head coach of the great show on turf. Yeah, I remember, what did he say about him? What did he say? Come on, tell everyone. Marshall was, you know. Tell them, Jules.

They have all these notes for installation and Marshall's got all these pens out and he's got very critique notes and using different colors for different positions, different players. And I guess Marshall looks back at the guy, the team, and he goes, how the hell is no one else write notes? Because look at all this information. You know, that's the kind of guy he was. He was a smart, hardworking dude that worked his balls off for everything he had.

It wasn't like he was just that. I mean, he was that guy, but it's crazy. I mean, he rival, I used to love Barry Sanders. And then, you know, I just remember as a kid, this guy, Marshall Falk was just so crazy elite. He reminded me a little bit of Barry Sanders with his cutting and his, he could drop his weight and stuff. He was taller, he wasn't as short as Barry, but like, he was kind of of Barry Sanders with his cutting and he could drop his weight and stuff. He was taller, he wasn't as short as Barry,

but he was kinda like Barry Sanders and then he was also a really good receiver. Yeah, he was a little bit thicker than Barry Sanders, but also he can go out and run routes. Yeah, it's crazy. Which is nuts. That's why I was thinking about it and we were watching all this research

and I'm sitting there, I'm like, dude, this is like probably one of the best, this is the best guy of all time. Look at these plays. Yes, and just talking about football IQ. But it's crazy, then you watch Jim Brown, you watch Walter Payton, and I don't know if it's just because I just watched it.

So many good running backs, bro, so many good. It's hard to decide and decipher who's number one. But just talking about his football IQ, I mean, look at this quote from Sean Payton. He knew not only the offensive side of the football, but also the defensive protections. And he knew the quarterback play as well, and he studied it hard.

That's just from Sean Payton. Michael Strahan said he was a coach out there. He's quoted saying that. So that just shows how smart of a player he was, and that's what took his game to a whole nother level as well. So, just speaking of that, Jules, what type of guy is Marshall Falk?

You know? What kind of dude is he? What kind of dude is Marshall Falk? I mean, he hits a lot of things. These running backs though, we're talking about them, none of them are actually like freaks. Like none of them stand out to you like that. Like I would say like, look, Garrett Blunt was a freak

cause he like, he was like six, four. Derrick Henry. Yeah, Derrick Henry is a freak. Like these guys aren't freaks like that. I mean. They're not, no, but they had, it's freaky that. It's freaky what they're doing, but they're not freaks in our type of categories.

It's pretty freaky how healthy he was for how much football he played. I mean, he's got some dog tendencies. He's clearly a freaking stud. But when I think of him, I think of him as an innovative guy. We're on the same page, brother, same page. He's pretty much.

Just how smart he was. Smart in how he's changed the running back position to what it's become now. Look at Saquon Barkley out of the backfield. Look at Christian McCaffrey out of the backfield. You know, it's such a pivotal part of a lot of these offenses. A running back, they usually have a two-headed monster. You know, Detroit has, you know, Montgomery and Gibbs,

and Algier and Robinson in Atlanta, these two, this guy did all three downs and was just as good as all those guys and better at a lot of these, and everyone at both of them. Like that's how good Marshall Falk was. He invented a position. He evolved the running back position. That's why I think he's a whiz.

Hey, I'm on the same page and just his football IQ and just the coaches and former players that just talk about how smart he was and how he knows everything that's going out, going on on the football field. That takes your game to a whole nother level. I mean, you can be a freak of an athlete, but if you don't know what to do out on the football field,

you're not a good football player. You can be less of an athlete, but you, but if you don't know what to do out on the football field, you're not a good football player. You can be less of an athlete, but you know how what's going on with the game. And he wasn't less of an athlete. You can be that much better than the guy that's more free, that's more athletic than you out on the football field. You're a better football player because of that. And what's also crazy is Marshall Falk had 760 receptions

in his career for 600. More than me. In 70, 875 yards, Julian. In the regular season. That's more than me. You had 620 receptions only for 6,822 yards. And he was a running back and he had more receptions in yards than you, which is out of control. I'm not saying anything against you.

I'm just saying that's how good Marisol Falk was back in the day. And guess what? They didn't throw the ball as much either back in that era, you know, back in the late 90s. We'd also be so crazy not to mention one thing. Kay Falk's his cousin. Kevin Falk was his cousin.

That makes sense. They're just running back. Kevin Falk's his cousin. That's the, that what they've just. The Falk get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it. I don't get it.

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Yeah, and fricking great teammates as well. Great teammates. Well, what kind of dude is he, Jules? You ready? On three. One. Two. Three.

Wiz. Let's get on Mike Vrabel. Mike Vrabel ladies and gentlemen. Hey Jules, what's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Mike Vrabel? First thing that comes to my mind is just a tough guy. He's just a tough. How tough? Like actually, the first thing comes to my mind

is an asshole. Asshole. Cause he just, I mean. A tough asshole. How tough? And actually, the first thing that comes to my mind is an asshole. Asshole. Because he's just, I mean. A tough asshole. A tough asshole. OK, there we go. We never played with Vrabes, but because of how legendary he was.

We've only heard stories. The stories were always about three people. Vrabel, Brusky, and Izzo. And Vrabes was always at the helm of these crazy stories that just floated around the Patriots locker room. Busting balls, that comes to my head. Like I always, you always kind of remember hearing how Vrabes would get on to Brady,

and Brady would get on Vrabes, and those wars at practice. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Mm hmm. A tough SOB, you know, a football player, a guy that has knowledge of the game as a player and as a coach. And he's from Ohio. And let me tell you, Ohio football is underrated. And you learn a lot about, a lot about football and who you are

as a person as well when you grow up in the state of Ohio. How do I know that? Because I played my senior year in Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh was a big rival. Just the state of Pennsylvania was a big rival to the state of Ohio. You got the Pittsburgh versus Ohio,

whatever that all-star game was. And versus Ohio, you know, uh, whatever that, you know, all star games and uh, just have, you know, just our tough, tough players come out of, you know, come out of the state of Ohio and Pennsylvania. They're very similar. They're kind of underrated compared to, you know, you always hear about Florida, California or Texas. All that's where all the stars Georgia, all the tough guys come from, you know, the upper East, you know, in the U S like Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York, but he's, he's a football guy, football. Wait a minute. Wait, wait, wait.

Did you just try to throw New York football through New York? Did you just try to sneakily throw New York football in to tough guys? Yeah. Cause I'm from Buffalo and I went to, uh, you know, like I said, I went to Pittsburgh. I'll let that slide. To Woodland Hills, my senior year. But yeah, Buffalo, they got some tough ass OBs here.

I'm telling you, they got me, they got my brother who played in the NFL, my other brother who played in the NFL too. And yeah, yeah, we're rolling, baby. We're rolling. Freaking Vrabes. What stands out to me when we were talking about him the other day though, is how he was drafted

in the third round to the Pittsburgh Steelers when you told me that fact. And it was kind of shocking to me because I thought he was a New England Patriot from day one because of just all the stories that you heard about him, all the stories that you heard about him just the way that he played the game when he was in New England and what he did for you know the Patriots as well so I had absolutely no clue that he

got drafted to the Steelers can you tell me how that happened as well how he got to New England because you kind of were telling me a little bit well he was a teamer I mean he played in Pittsburgh I that too. Well, he was a teamer. I mean, he played at Pittsburgh. I think he was drafted in 97. Was a special teamer. And then I think once he became a free agent, Bill like really wanted him or something. Was that it?

Yeah, so. Why does Bill have like this nag of just finding these white dudes that just want to play football, just work hard, and they're not so good at the moment. And then he just blossoms on me. I think there's a guy sitting next to me like that. And me too, kind of.

That's his project, Nikovic. Nikovic was a long snapper. Welker. Welker. In Miami, I mean, what was he? Just kind of a punt returner? Yeah, but I think he had 70 catches. He had a big year.

He had a big year at Miami. Not like a huge year like he had in New England for all those years, but he had a decent, solid year in Miami. No, but yeah, Mike was the guy that Bill always used to reference. Like you think you're smart. You're not no frable. Like, and that's, that's when you know someone's a smart football player is when Bill's referencing him in motherfucking you, you know, like that, that was always

kind of like one thing that stuck out. And then just hearing from like Jimmy Whalen, the training staff on how variable was in the locker room, like hell core, it was like him and Willie Mac and brew, like he, there was like the Holy Trinity of guys that everyone had to walk through that kept everyone accountable And I'm really you know I'm pretty excited. I'm excited for this this new generation of Patriots now With that said I I still think the whole Mayo situation That he got the short end of the stick on this and

I feel terrible for him, and I he's going to do well, but like, that really wasn't set up to, to really succeed. Not at all. I think it was a little bit unfair, but shout out to Mayo because he's a great coach, he knows the game of football, uh, tremendously. And, uh, you know, I just think that it wasn't set up properly for him. And I feel like he's going to have, have some success in the future, you know, with another organization and possibly be another head coach down the road. You know he's going to have some success in the future, you know, with

another organization and possibly be another head coach down the road, you know, once he gets his foot back on the gas pedal, but variable coming in now. Like all this stuff that you hear keeping guys accountable, like he's going to be the first to do it and and he can he can get away with saying things to guys The way he says it Because he did it he played it and he's just as smart as the guys that coached him at it Mm-hmm. So like when you have all those things and he's a burly motherfucker Like he's a big man when you shake hands, his hands wrap to your wrist.

He's got big ass hands. Man strength. I still think he got four or six plays in him. You think he could play right now? Four or six plays. Yeah. Four to six plays. Like you know that offensive package the New England Patriots had for him and talking about that offensive package, I think he had 10 catches his whole entire career for 10 touchdowns. So what a fucking ratio from catch to TD is 100% best of all time. Insane.

And that's just how smart of a player he was is that he knew how to get open on the offensive side of the ball and then on top of it on the defense side of the ball. I mean, just creative and just how good he was just knowing the game. You know what makes me so sad though? What's that?

Because we- What makes you sad? No, you're making me sad. No, it makes me sad because we always hear about the stories about Brady when he was like the young guy on the team and how Vrabel and Bruski and all these guys used to like mother fuck him and it was- And picked on Tom.

And picked on him. It was a completely different Tom that we played with. So like we, and like you couldn couldn't there was only a couple guys That really could jaw with Tom But everyone was so scared to do it and Tom would be hungry to jaw with people like talk shit But like everyone was so scared to talk shit to Tom because he was already Tom by then You know like it was it always makes me like man I wish we got to see him in those those early stages where you were more kind of part

of the boys instead of him being like the older brother guy figure, you understand? Vrabel was like that older brother figure to Tom. And we didn't get to see any of that. We got to see the time where he was our older brother and it would have been amazing to be a part of that crew, but we were just the second era of the New England P crew. But we're just the second, you know, era of the new England pages. But there was so many times, like you said, in the training room and the

coaches that were around variable, like, Oh, you would have loved the guy so much. You would have loved to play with him. He gives it all his, he gives it his all out on the field. I mean, he's a guy that you want to be friends with as well in the locker room because he's just fun to be around, but also at the same time, he's going to go all out for you out on the field. I mean, he was a grinder. I mean, gritty, great size as a player,

and he was an inside, outside threat for the player out there out on the field. And I think that's why Bill loved him so much because how versatile he was. A special team where he could play inside backer and outside backer. And when Bill gets a guy like that, he utilizes their skill and so many different aspects

of the game and he makes you a tremendous player and he blossoms you like no other. And that's why Bill loves those type of guys when he can get them in free agency. 1000% think about it. Like he's played on every phase of the game at a high level in a important game. He's been a teamer. So like when he's addressing the team and he's watching fucking the film or

having like a highlight thing that he's probably presenting the team, he can break down guy for guy because he's done it at the pro level. On defense, he knows everything about defense because he's you know he was he basically was in the school of doctorates on the defense through Belichick learning through him and then actually being on the field and experiencing it is another way he gets to coach guy and then in offense like yeah he was on a package or two but I remember going and going on the other side of the ball when I had to play Corner like even being in those meeting rooms for the little amount of time that I was it opened up my mind So differently on how I thought about offense when I went back to offense and how I was attacking the defense

He's done that on offense So like he can break down the whole the whole game and he's a masculine figure that's going to make you do it. Right. And if you don't, he's going to motherfucker, you get rid of you. He's going to make people accountable. That's how it was the Patriot way that it was developed through these guys. I mean, and just,

just talking about his knowledge of the game and just the mastermind he has within the rule book of the NFL as well. Remember in the 2019 playoffs, Vrabel intentionally took a 12 man on the field penalty just to keep Brady off of the field. I mean, he kind of outplayed Belichick in that situation because Belichick was the master of knowing the rules inside and out and using that to his advantage.

And this is a time when Vrabel used it to his advantage and it was against the mastermind, uh, coach Belichick. So I learned that pretty incredible by him to do that. I learned about that little mastermind bullshit is when we went to the Kentucky Derby one year and he fucking was, he was my handicapper for the horses. I made like 20 grand, like Vrabel loves like that kind of shit. We were sitting there and I have no clue

on how to gamble these horses. And Rabes is over here, he got his dip in. I think he had a cigarette, maybe a shot or two in him. And he's fucking. A cigarette? Yeah, he was smoking cigs with a dip in. I'm not joking, cigs with a dip. I love this guy now.

And we go and we go to the little thing where you have to put your shit in. And I'm like, Rabes, what I do? He's like, don't worry Edelman, I got you. He fucking puts them on there. We hit it like a three thing parlay or something. He's just a smart guy. He's a smart guy that like can beat you up.

What's the biggest thing in year one that he has to emphasize in New England? What do you think Jules? Well, he got to get some linemen. Mm-hmm. He got to get some linemen. It's a good point right there. They got a whole lot of money to spend.

Now, knowing Mike through the years that I've known him, I'm sure he took this job knowing that he is gonna be able to spend some money. He's in a great situation heading into his first year. Obviously, he's got Drake May, who's an unbelievable quarterback. He's gonna develop him to best of his potential. No doubt about that.

He was- Who's he bringing in on OC? I would say Josh McDaniels. I would love to see Josh McDaniels go there, but he has to go through the whole process. Maybe he has a guy or two out there that he's thinking about bringing in, but he's going through all that hiring process interviewing.

I think that would be great. But Josh McDaniels would be the best fit. Because Josh, Josh ain't going anywhere. He ain't, he ain't. And he loves it there. I believe Josh is one of the best offensive coordinators in the league as well. I mean, he knows how to develop players.

He developed, helped develop Tom. He developed you, developed me. Put me in the right situations all the time when I was in New England. Knows how to relate to guys as well, which is really good. I mean, you need that with these young bucks these days. I mean, he can do that. He made Mac Jones a pro bowler.

In his rookie year. And then he left and then ain't no pro bowler from there on out. No, there hasn't been. I will contribute all that to, there hasn't been hasn't been. I will contribute all that to to most of that to McDaniels. McD's. McD's.

I like that name. I never heard that. I don't know. What about Vrayball? He took Ryan Tannehill out of Miami. Everyone thought he was going to be out of the league and he basically made him into a pro bowler. Basically got the number one seed in the playoffs

and almost made the Super Bowl, you know, a couple years with him too. So he knows how to develop quarterbacks. He knows how to get the best out of guys because he brings that type of energy, you know, on the field, in the meeting rooms to get the best out of players. And that's why I hear about variable. And that's why people love playing for him out of the guys that I know in Tennessee. I think he just feels safe when you're around him. I feel safe. I feel like whenever he was, whenever we hang out, we've gone out and done things together, I just feel safe.

He's just burly. And he's also got the wit and like the strategy to like, if something, some shit were to happen in like a bar or something, like he'd know an escape route, maybe take down like seven, eight people himself, and then get us, like, he just feels safe with a guy like Raeble. He's the guy you want your daughter to marry, I feel.

I don't know about that. Oh, all right, all right. Well, I like when you're saying you feel safe around him. You want your daughter to marry someone that she feels safe around, so you tricked me there, Jules. Man, I'm excited for him. I'm sad for Mayo. This is really like one of those things where

it's like a divorce. New England keeps on putting me in these goddamn divorces. I feel like a kid that's had like five divorced parents. What can you explain more? Well, when Bill Brady, that divorce. Oh yeah. Now, you know, Mayo freaking Vrabes, that divorce. There's like fucking hell,

cause we're all like intertwined and it's kind of like incestual. You're kind of like the redheaded stepchild that's just been there throughout the whole time. That's just takes all the beatings. But in the end, you're gonna still be standing there. Make it tough. It does make you tough.

Makes you tough. Man. And that's why you're the toughest guy I know, Jules. Also, I'd be crazy to say that, yeah, our last game with Tom Brady, Vrabel beat us. That's why Vrabel's back. That's why he's back. If he didn't win that game.

And I have his cleats over there. If he didn't win that game, he might not be back. He might not be the head coach of the New England Patriots. Yeah, maybe he wouldn't. Cause maybe he. He sent Tom Brady packing in his last game as a New England Patriots. That's probably his greatest, like.

That's probably what he said, the first line in the interview. Did he say that? No, I'm just saying I would. But hey, Mr. Craft, who sent Tom packing? I bet you he said that. I bet you hire me now.

Braves has no filter where he probably would say shit like that. He's the only player to have two touchdowns in a sack in a game. Offense and defense. I mean, offense and defense. I mean, his versatility. Is there any other coach out there that you think could beat up Rabel? I think a good fight would be Dan Campbell and him.

Oh, that's a good point. But I'm taking Vrabes because Vrabes DN. Campbell, he was a tight end. Yeah, so what? What are you saying about tight ends, Jules? They're just not that tough. They're not as tough as D.N.'s. I agree with you.

You're a one of one, bro. I agree with you. You're a one of one. Tight ends ain't as tough as D.N.'s. And D.N.'s are beastly, man. D.N.'s are huge. You gotta be fearless as a D.N.'s. D'Amico Ryan's, he could be in there.

They all say McDermott is like a wrestler. He could be. I would rest. But I think Vermott is like a wrestler. Like an Iowa wrestler. But I think Rabe's a wrestler too. And Rabe's used to go against fucking Steve Neil all the time, which Steve Neil was world champion. So Rabe's already got a little in on that. So I think he's, I think Rabe's has taken,

it's just weight class on McDermott. He may have the skill technique, but Rabe would swallow him. Oh shit. What kind of dude is Mike Vrabel? I mean, he's stud, no doubt about it. His football IQ's up there, the pedigree. He's also a wizard.

He does look like- Basically, laid every position. He also has the best chin. He does. I mean, he's got the best chin in football, other than like the coach Coward. Like, he's taking that. Having nice chins of stud.

1000%, like he looks like the Ohio guy When you put Ohio guy in dictionary for like recruit It's like big white guy big chin looks like Mustafa from fucking Beauty and the Beast Yeah, mm-hmm, I never seen Beauty and the Beast or is is that one? Sorry, I don't know. Gustav. You know? Gustav or something, yeah. Never seen it. Freak, I mean, he had like man strength.

That's what everyone always talked about, his man strength. Dog, he's definitely a dog. No doubt. He could be a Wiz though. Locker room guy. I was thinking Wiz. I was gonna go with Wiz.

I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and just how knowledgeable he was in the defense side of the ball. I wouldn gonna go with Wiz. I mean, just how clutch he was in situations and just how knowledgeable he was in the defensive side of the ball. And then playing offense. He's a dude's dude in the Patriot world. Like in Bizarro world, which is not really like everywhere else where like being an asshole and bullying is like being positive there.

So, you know, that's positive because it makes you accountable. So I wouldn't put him in the overall category of dudes do. I would go on three. What do you think? One, go on three, one, two, three. Wiz. Now we're going to answer some of the most requested questions we get all the time about Coach Belichick.

And we'll answer them once and for all. Let's do it. You remember the first time you about coach Belichick. And we'll answer them once and for all. Let's do it. You remember the first time you met coach Belichick? Not really, to tell you the truth. Oh, oh, actually I do. Yeah, it just clicked actually. It was at the combine. Yeah, when I walked into the room,

when you're doing the pre-draft, you know, visits at the combine with the teams, and there was coach Belichick when I walked in and interviewed with the Patriots. It was about a quick five minutes, you know, the teams and there was coach Belichick when I walked in and interviewed with the Patriots it was about a quick five minutes you know the Bears was there a couple other guys were there but um yeah that's when I met him you know nothing you know spectacular that stood out but I just remembered going in there and just getting you know questions real quick at the combine how about you do you remember the first time you met coach

Belichick I don't I was like a seventh rounder. So like, it was kind of like just show up and here's your shit and your schedule and you figure it out. And like, I remember the first time like we encountered each other was like on the practice field when I was catching puns with Kevin Falk and he was teaching me how to catch a punt. He says, catch a punt with your legs, not your feet, your arms.

Edelman, you got to get your feet right. So it gives you a two way go. So coaching to that is a great coaching tip because every fan out there is like, you got to catch the point with your hands. That's what everyone's saying. Use your hands. But really, you got to know where it is with your feet. Coach Belichick knows, you know, he's a step ahead of you and knows more and he's telling Julian that you got to catch it with your feet Yeah, obviously you use your hands to catch it

But if you have your feet in place and under you like you were just saying it's gonna make it a lot easier To catch the point with your hands. Yeah. Yeah great great coaching point right there tools. I just learned something actually I didn't know that yeah I didn't know that and it's true. It's true about receiving as well. If you're going up and your feet aren't under you and you're all over the place and you're going up to make the catch, it makes it harder to catch the ball

if your body's not lined up. The reason he was explaining the punt and the feet is because you have to read the tip of the ball depending on what it is doing at the top of the arc of the ball, depending on what it is doing at the top of the arc of the punt. Now, if the ball doesn't tip over with the right footed punter, it's gonna die and go right. So you have to get your feet there,

so you get a two way go. So if you read it right with your feet, then your hands are gonna be there. If the ball goes over, if it, instead of like, if it tips over Then it's gonna go far left and you play it on your right titty and it gives you two to goes So like that's what he was talking about because you're reading it's like baseball You know you're reading where the ball is going and so you don't you don't do it with your arms

You do it your legs as your legs are gonna bring you into the the area your arms, you do it your legs, because your legs are going to bring you to the area. Great points. When do you think you earned his trust? I would say I earned his trust. My second year in the league in training camp, when he gave me a parking spot up front, I was one of the training camp heroes or whatever it was called, training camp MVPs, I'm not exactly sure what it's called when he did it back in the day in order to earn the parking spot upfront And I got that my second year, you know going into the season throughout training camp and right when that happened That's when I felt like I gained his trust. He believes in me

I got the parking spot up in front of the parking lot. It was a privilege to earn that. And that's when it truly felt like I earned his trust as well to get that parking spot. Because parking spots were huge. It was like walking like 50 feet less into the building. Which that 50 foot extra sucked. Sucked.

Yeah, cold days. Yeah, cold days, blue. When do you think you earned his trust? Never did. That's a good answer. Nope, we'll leave it right there, Jules. I know you gained his trust, but I like that first answer. He knows what I'm talking about.

You know what I'm fucking talking about, but I'm still mad about that shit. When did you piss him off the most? You can't say never did that that one either. Yeah. I know you piss him off plenty of times. Oh, how about when you got in fights on the practice field that piss him off all the time. I don't think he got really mad at that.

No, because he liked your aggressiveness. Yeah. And it's kind of like when a, you know, like a coach gets tossed in baseball To get a little spark to the the game the guys Like I would get tossed in practice because it was a flat fucking practice. We needed a little spark. Mm-hmm You need a little spark. Mm-hmm So he actually kind of liked that I think once it was in I think it was like mini camps Remember we remember when he fucking

We started doing those bout runs and he stopped He stopped mini camp practice and we had to do like two bout runs in the middle of practice and then go up and do like NASCAR and I was like dying and I I was a little pissed at it I was cuz like our load was getting high I remember you got mad at me for cuz I I kind of I kind of gave him a little lip I Gave him a little lip on I was like We're trying to execute out here, dude. We're not getting anything done here fucking we can't even get lined up

We got fun guys don't know what we're doing Shut the fuck up at home and keep running. What year was this? It's probably like 15. Remember when we started doing those about we did a bout run. We were we started doing these bout runs to get our fucking load up or conditioning. And he decides in the middle of a practice, he blows the whistle. All right, we're going to do some conditioning. We have to do a full bout, which is three minute runs.

You have to hit seven hundred and eighty five yards in three minutes. You got to touch down back, down back, down back, down back. You have three minutes of full running. And if you don't get three eighty five, you don't you don't pass. And then we had to go do NASCAR after which is no huddle. So like we were fucking trashed. This is make me want to run. Yeah, I'm like, dang, I'm not in shape anymore

if that's what we were doing. When was the most human moment you had with him? Ooh, most human moment. Like for me, his most human moment is when I remember when I got suspended, like he, and I got hurt, and he kinda,

he could see that I was hurt For letting the team down and he kind of had he kind of I Don't remember how but he felt like he had my back You know, I mean like that's a good feeling that you know what I mean I do and that was like the most human moment I had with him. I Would say his computer when I when I tossed

Yeah When I when I threw that guy out of the club when we played the Colts Yeah, and then I went up to him on the sidelines. I didn't even say any words to him I just started dancing in front of his face and he loved it Loved it and if you're getting a fucking penalty Like a personal foul penalty. He hated that shit and I got a personal I know to any loved it still now That's a human moment because he just you you did your job too good Yeah, and you can't get mad at a guy for doing his job too good.

You're right, that's a great play. I did it too good. I got a personal foul. You did your job so good where you drove the guy literally to the back of the end zone. Yeah, that's why he loved it. Personal foul for doing your job too good. Because coaches always, in the film room,

they'll say shit like that. Like, this guy should be with the fucking cheerleaders with how he plays. You should block him into the cheerleaders. Gronk literally blocked him into the cheerleaders with how he plays. You should walk him into the cheerleaders. Gronk literally blocked him into the cheerleaders. And got a 15 yard penalty on it. Oh, that was so long, coach. Love coach.

What was the best advice he gave to you? I mean, he always gave great advice. You know, thinking about it to this day, I didn't truly understand it when I was 21, 22, 23 years old, but he always, you know, I always stuck back in, you know, in back of my head, but he always exemplified and, and made point that nothing good happens past 12 o'clock at night. That's true. He always reiterated it.

And now thinking about it to this day, I use that line all the time. I'm like, why would I go out at nighttime? Nothing good happens past 1 a.m. Let's party during the day. You know, and it was a great point. Party during the day. Yeah. Can't get's party during the day, you know, and it was a great point party during the day Can't get in trouble during the day. I bet you he's gonna use this he better use this to show all his fucking his UNC team

You know, I mean this is with marketing right there get bears on there Who's his guy Chris Matt's before we get to the chillers due to the week? I just want to say coach happy birthday, man man I am forever indebted to you hundred percent. Thank you for everything that you have done for me in my playing career Thank you for drafting me to the New England Patriots. It was the best fit for myself It was the best fit for my family It was the best career move that could have possibly ever happened to me in my whole entire lifetime So Bill, thank you very much And thank you for much and thank you

for all the coaching points and getting me ready on a weekly basis. And thank you for all your, you know, clever jokes as well. That made me giggle throughout my career too. I'm gonna start shedding a tear girl. Geez. Thanks. Happy birthday coach. Happy birthday. Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate everything. I'm indebted to you too. I mean, we all are. We all you discovered us and you you let us be a part of You know the game that we love and you got to teach us the game that we loved at a high rate You know and let us experience it with you. It's been unbelievable to be part of his story

and experience it with you. It's been unbelievable to be part of his story and you know it's a happy birthday big guy. Keep it going. And win some fucking games to make me look good because I always have your back. And I want to see a picture of him posted on one of his IG accounts or social media accounts of him in his birthday suit. That'd be pretty cool birthday soup. Birthday soup. Let's get into the chills due to the week brought to you by our favorite beer. Coors light get Coors light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coors light.com slash dudes and celebrate. Responsibly. Jewels wide open for touchdown grabs the

Corey's light. He cracks it and he is as chill as the Rocky mountains. The chillest dude of the week. Obviously Bill Belichick. Yes. What kind of dude is coach Belichick? This is easy. I don't even think that we have to go over the, you know, the categories of what kind of dudes, you know, coach Bill Belichick is. He's kind of a dog. Yeah, he is. Off the field. I think we are. Yeah. He, I mean, yeah, but that's just off the field.

Or maybe he has to be a whiz to get all that off the field, on the field. That's the way I was leaning towards more. Obviously, yeah. Bill's a fucking whiz. No doubt about it. Not even, it's on the field. That's the way I was leaning towards more obviously. Yeah bills a fucking whiz No doubt about it. Not even it's not even a debate. Not he's definitely not a dudes, dude I'll tell you that right now and he ain't no stud. I Mean if he's a freak, he's a freak without anyone else knowing. Oh, not us knowing. Yeah, not us Yeah, I'm like you might know he's a dog a little bit now, but he's a dog, but he is, but not a dog, not a full, not a full 100% dog. No,

but he's a whiz. We love you coach. You're a whiz. Whiz. Stamp it. Let's get on Andy Reed, Joel. Andy Reed, huh? What's the first thing you think of when you hear the name Andy Reed? Put your hat on. Oh, Andy Reed. You're gonna put your hat on? Oh. Andy Reid. We're gonna put a Chiefs hat on. I'm not putting it on.

I'm not gonna put the Chiefs hat on either. I'm gonna just show it. Hey everyone, Andy Reid. Hi coach. It's kind of a cool hat. I like the design. The colors are cool. We'll just put that there.

I'll, maybe, it fell off. Sorry, I can't wear that hat. First thing you think of? I'll just put it right there, Jules. Yeah. I'm sorry. I can't wear that hat. First thing you think of? I'll just put it right there, Jules. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to keep this Patriots hat on Jules. I feel, yeah, there we go. I feel more comfortable in this one. First thing I think of when I think of Andy Reid.

Yeah, let's hear it. The State Farm commercial when he asked for the nuggets. You going to eat those nuggies? No, but like yeah that's the first thing you think of is someone that like loves football and that is a players coach. You know I've heard just through everyone that has played under him they love playing for coach Reed and it seems you know he's an offensive guy it's a fun environment but I guess they really work their asses off too. There's always talks about how tough their practices are,

and it's evident through how his teams have always played. He's a fucking, he's a really good coach. I mean, 300 wins. There's only three people that have that. You know, Hallis, Shula, and Bill. Like, that's a lot of wins. And he's been doing it for a long time. And it looks like he don't gonna,

he's not gonna slow down if he doesn't want to. He's got his quarterback. He's not slowing down. I feel like he's gonna, he can coach easily for another 10 years for the Kansas city chiefs. I mean, they're gonna be a combo for quite some time. I can't see him retiring with, you know,

Patrick Mahomes basically in his prime, his prime. And he's going to be in his prime for the next eight years, minimum, I would say, especially with having coach Andy Reed right there by his side. I mean, this guy is a three time Superbowl champion. He's, he's a one time Superbowl champ as an assistant Packers with the Green Bay Packers, what year was that? And you've seven 97. I mean, 2002, AP NFL, but it was in? 97. 97. I mean 2002. AP NFL coach.

But it was in 97. Coach of the year. Yeah, 97 he won the Super Bowl as the assistant. I mean, when he has, think about this. This is how amazing Andy Reid really is. He's the winningest coach in Eagles history. But there's an asterisk there

because he just never won a Super Bowl with the Eagles. Even though he got them to a Super Bowl, they just ended up losing. Four NMC championships in a row. I think what they lost to New England Patriots, correct? When he was the head coach was that when T.O. was on the team with the ankle and he came back and did all that good stuff. I mean, he has 27 total playoff wins as well. And coach Bill Belichick holds that record with 31 playoffoff wins and I'm sure Andy Reid's probably gonna surpass that either This nah, it can't be this year because they had a bye week

But probably this year over the next couple years over the next couple years. I mean he's he's a special special guy man Unbelievable coach and like I like you said players love playing for him love his personality because he's like a players coach I'm gonna reiterate this but players coach like you said but he gets after it on the practice field yeah like there's no slack and it's full speed once you hit that field it's full speed and you're good you're getting after it and you're going so you got it you got to love coaches like that and that's how you have to practice as well because that's what that's how we practice

Right when you hit the field it was full go if you want championship team if you want to sustain success You gotta go out on the practice field and practice like it's game time Every single time you hit that field, you know, that's what they do. It just shows man. You have to have You have to have the big three in order to win. I mean, Andy, one of the greatest coaches of all time in Philadelphia couldn't get it done because whatever it was, either the GM or the quarterback, the head coach, GM, and the quarterback have to be on the same wavelength.

And he's found that right now in Kansas City. And he's a huge part of that because of just, you watch him when he's found that right now in Kansas City. And he's a huge part of that because of just you watch him when he's I we were watching the film of just his mic'd up stuff and his ability to explain to players as a former player. You could tell he was a former player on how to like use your pad level. Use you like when you're telling a fundamental and you're coaching a guy, hey, drop your fucking weight. You put your right arm.

I don't think he swears, but drop your weight, put your arm here, use your left. Like that's really good. That's really good coaching. Like you watch his stuff. He's a very intuitive coach, very fundamentally sound. He had a lot of early on in his career, he had the clock ship though. You know, I remember always, he always had clock stuff

that he would kind of fumble with, overcoming his clock management. I think they talked about, that was the big knock on him for about his first 20 years of his head coach and career, right, about that, you know, clock management. I can tell you this, he's managing that clock better than ever now. Yeah. You know, with the Kansas City Chiefs.

And that goes into everyone having to be on the same page. Like you have to have the quarterback do that. You have to, you know, just makes things easier. There he's at a level and he's evolved. We're. He's it's it's it's like how we were. They're playing chess while everyone else is playing checkers

It's like everyone keeps on saying oh there they haven't blown anyone out this year But you watch them situationally and got to have it situations His teams are always prepared third down four-point plays Red area like not beating them special teams special teams down to that they got a great kid Like he just he's got it right now And it seems like he'd be an awesome coach to play for. Yeah. Awesome coach to play for. He's tough. And what I really liked about him when we

were watching those NFL films type things and how he was talking to his players, like it's not like he's screaming at his players. Like he's good. He gets their attention every time he talks, uh, his players were listening and it's like, he's just telling you, you know, he's telling you in a way to where you want to use it, you know, for your benefit out on the field. Cause every time he's coaching you,

he always has a great point. Like you were talking about the pad level, having your right hand down and get it inside or whatever it was that he was coaching you with. Just the way that he presented himself and the way that he was telling you, like it was always just like, you have to listen and just caught his attention, you know, every, every time he was talking to you, which was like really cool just to see that relationship between a coach and

player. When I watched that, it reminded me a lot of how Scar Neck, yo would coach the lineman, you know, when he would tell him like beat for beat on what you had to do. You have to put your right foot here. You put your right hand here instead of yelling at a guy saying, Hey, we got to do it better. Like a good coach explains like what you need to do to get better. And you were watching Andy Reid does that. He's been around the game for so long. He learned under Holmgren, who's one of the greats in this whole West Coast system from Bill Walsh Disciple. I grew up watching these teams, these Niners teams,

these Packers teams, and to see him have his shot with his guys and his version of it, it's remarkable. Yeah, and on top of that, I mean, I feel like any reader like really doesn't even have an ego. I feel like he's open minded. You know, he's a great schemer. He's so experienced. He's a football lifer.

He's a player's guy. He's innovative with the play calls. He's just very personable as well. And if you have an ego, you're not going to be that personable. And that's why so many players can relate to him. Oh, you know, all linemen, quarterbacks, tight ends, defense. It doesn't matter. Special teams.

And he's just got that West Coast gun offense as well that he has perfected, especially having Patrick my homes at the helm at the quarterback position. So Andy Reed, just a special coach and just just unbelievable out there, man. He's coaching tree. You got McDermott, Harbaugh, Nagy, freaking Peterson, Spags, Leslie Frazier, Pat Shermer, Todd Bowles, Ron Revere. I mean, he's got some good you got a big list goes on and on, man. He's got some good, you got a big. The list goes on and on, man. Mm hmm. And I mean, I freaking I'd anytime I'm around Shady McCoy.

What is Shady always talk about? Oh, any reason? He always be talking how great Andy Reed is. And just over the years, man, I've I've thought about it. And he he's a damn good coach. Hey, how big was Andy Reed as a kid? I remember that punt pass, the punt pass and kick clip when he was 13 years old,

he was just towering over everyone. It was at the LA Coliseum and he just looked like a grown man compared to all the other 13 year old kids. And I was a punt pass and kick guy back in the day and I thought I was towering over kids. I mean, Andy Reed literally looked like four times bigger than the next biggest kid out there out in the field. So that just shows that he's a footballer for life

because he was in punt, pass, and kick at 13 years old. That's incredible, man. I love that about him. You gotta see that clip. It's hilarious. What about the Hawaiian shirts that he always wears? He's just a cool dude. He is. He's just a cool dude. He is.

I feel like. He's happy with him. He's happy with his way. He's comfortable in his own skin. He's comfortable in his own skin. He really is. And that's kind of part of being a great coach is being comfortable with who you are.

That makes you a great player as well. You gotta be satisfied with everything in your life, with who you are, and then you can go out there and just dominate, and I feel like Andy Reid's in that position where he's so satisfied with who he is in his own skin, that he can go out there and just be himself at all times and not even think about it. Do you think Belichick would ever dress up

like Sam Afterwin? I don't think so, I don't think so. Maybe the Grinch back in the days. Back now. No celebrating. Let's get the film now. Man, man, it's important to have that humor. It is. You know, it's great. We had other guys that did that, but it's cool, you know, to see.

You know, guys like him do that. Who do you think is better in the commercials? Andy Reid or Saban? Oh, you're bringing up Saban now. That Saban Verbro commercial's pretty funny. I don't know, I definitely gotta go with Andy Reid. The chicken nugget in the State Farm commercial. Nuggies, you gonna eat those nuggies?

Andy Reid just has that personality as well for the commercials. Nick Saban's more of like, oh no, great coach, but I mean, he's kind of, you know, a little bit more stiff than Andy Reid, I would say. Yeah, but they use the stiffness. Yeah, they do. They use it to their advantage,

but Andy Reid just overall, I think, I think wins that category. What about top three reddest people to get on the sideline when it's cold? He's up there, right? Well, if you include- McDermott, Coughlin. I never heard of this argument before. I mean, I just feel like Andy Reid.

McDermott is red, dude. He's thinking about it every time we play him, because it's always cold in Buffalo, but still. Coughlin, he looked like he was gonna, he was exploding. He was red all the time. He was just ready, he was like a steam coming out of his head at all times. But Big Red gets red too. I think that's Andy Reid though.

He's always red. Fucking. And that's why it was great when he dressed in Santa Claus. Like it just fit him perfect. I never met Andy Reid. Yeah, I think we did. I haven't really met him either. I bet he'd be really cool.

Really cool. I'd love to like talk about our battles with him from his side. Like his perspective, what he was thinking, why he called that play, what he thought you were gonna do, and what type of coverage he called because of it, and why he couldn't stop you going across the middle on a crossing route, you would ask him that,

like, hey Andy, why couldn't you stop me on the crossing route? Every time it was third and 10. I knew. You knew it was coming to me. Because I had you, they had to put a lot more eyes over there. No, because you were just dominating Jules. Get out of here. No one was covering you.

That's true. So on his interview with Jeffrey Lorry, they're at a steakhouse. And then the waiter comes in says, we got a ribeye, a New York strip or a filet, which one would you like? And Andy Reid says all three, which is a pro move, because what if you get it sliced and then you get to each, and he became the winningest football coach

in Philadelphia history. I think that's what made Laurie Pickham. A man that likes all three cuts is a man good in my business. What's your favorite cut? I'm a ribeye guy. I like ribeye too. A little more fat. I like that marbleization just crystallize in the steak and just every bite just melts in your mouth. And that's why Andy Reid likes too. Well, he likes all three. Well, I think he has like a...

That's why I knew he liked that ribeye as well. The ribeye. He likes it all. Strip. Man, I'm getting hungry. But what kind of dude is Andy Reid? Andy Reid's definitely a dude's dude. He is, but I wouldn't give that to him fully

because he is tough out there on the football field, on the field. I heard run to out the building. Mm-hmm. He did Which which I think to maybe ran himself out of the building. Oh, he had no choice. Oh is nuts, man He's definitely a wizard. I mean the intellect intellection of the game freak He's the only lineman that probably knows the past game. The way he does, he's studly for a coach, you know. Yeah. Justin up is Santa Claus. I mean, Santa Claus, the biggest stud in the world.

The guy brings Christmas presents to everyone. That's true. Every single year, you know, to every kid out there. So like he's definitely that's kind of like why Andy Reid does. He brings Christmas presents to his team, to his players. Like all the time, wins, playoff wins, little Super Bowls, schemes, plays. Let's open you up on this play here. Let's do a ring around the Rosie.

Everyone stop and then you go over here, you go over here, we'll doll it up with this and then you get miraculously wide open, Travis Kelsey. Exactly. And we'll just wide open. No guys within five yards. That's a gift right there on three. What do you think he is? One, two, three ways. Yeah, this guy is no doubt.

I mean, every time all offensive linemen are basically whiz. Not all of them, but like they could be free. They got there. They can be. But he like they could be freaks too. They got, they can be. But he's also a Wiz because of, I mean, anytime we would play those guys, I remember Bill always saying like, watch for some gimmick thing here in the red area, this, that, because they were always adding

to their tool belt. Like they always had a new play on deck at all times. And I've heard that they have like those little powwows where They all get to like bring in a play on Tuesday and and put it like that's pretty whizzy He's letting the kids be whiz he's letting the whiz and the Riz go throughout the building He's a whiz he's a wh. Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now we have this debate.

Oh, I know. We have this debate. We argue this. I mean, look, in my prime. In Randy's prime. I could have been 10 meters behind him in my prime. Cheers, brother. Slater.

One for you, one for me, man. Dude of the week. Our boy, the captain, Matthew Slater. Matthew Slater. Appreciate you guys. And what we're gonna do is we're gonna sit and ask Slate some questions,

and we're gonna determine what kind of dude Slate is. Off of the questions that we're gonna ask you. Off the questions. Hey, Slate, this is our very first time having a guest on the show, so we appreciate you coming here. Ladies, being patient with us, just going along with us. You're your two favorite teammates that you've ever had in the locker room

and being another great teammate once again. But this time in the Nut House locker room here at the dude's house. So we appreciate you, man. We want to figure out what kind of dude you are with the questions that we're going to ask you. Let's see. All right. All right. Let's do this. Let's do this. Um First off you got your notepad. Oh, yes, I do. I'm taking notes. There we go Yeah, and he's gonna probably you know spit some facts out there that we should probably listen to in life as well Because this is slater. Let's just start it off later. Let's start off with a hard one

What kind of dude do you think you are? Oh, that is tough because you want to you want to be humble Yeah, or you don't What kind of dude do you think you are? Well, that is tough because you want to be humble. Yeah. Or you don't. What kind of dude do you want to be? Yeah, dude. Yeah. I like to think the team do. What was the description on the dude's dude? I'd be a dude's dude. Dude's dude. Bring the vibe up for everybody.

Put that down, dude. I see that positive influence on the guy. Time positive influence. I never really seen you as a negative influence. I appreciate that. Positive influence on the guy. I saw that big time. Positive influence. I never really seen you as a negative influence. I appreciate that. Well, I mean, Jules did a lot of negative things when you were his roommate. So what were you doing inside that house? What was going on? Was he a negative influence behind the scenes?

He made it out unscathed. So we were good. He was not your roommate. Hey, we don't know what you would be on the giant. You would be on the giant. I'd be on the giant. I'd be on't know. You would be on the Giants. You would be on the Giants. I'd be on the Giants. I'd be on the Giants. You got him to the house.

There it is. I'm going to take all the credit. You should. All right, so dude's dude. That's what he thinks. All right, well, Slate, did you wear flip-flops in the shower? You have to wear flip-flops in the shower. You have to.

You have to. You have to. Well, why's that? Why do you have to? Because I I seen some of them feet in there. I can't go in there without them. Can't do it. I got some bad feet. Ran a lot of routes. Seen my own feet. Yeah, we got to have them.

All right. All right. So half two dudes. All right. Who's the most famous person in your phone? Most famous person in my phone. Hmm. Yeah. Most famous. I mean, I would say one of you guys phone. Yeah, most famous. I mean, I would say one of you guys, but TV, probably TV. Oh, TV. TV. Pretty famous. Yeah. He's I would say he's up there.

He's up there. I mean, that's really more famous than TV. Anyways, he's the most famous guy. We wish we had his number. You guys probably get all five of his cell phones. Slate bringing that. No, you guys probably get all five of his cell phones. No, it's like bringing the heat out of him. All five. All five. This guy gets his new cell phones like socks.

Come on, give me some knuckles on that one. That was good. That was good. So TB, okay. All right. What was your college GPA? 3.1? Ooh, 3.

Ooh. Yeah, a little low. A little low. It was a little higher. I thought it was gonna be way higher. Slacking, slacking a little bit. Oh, that's why you're not making it into the Ivy League. Hello. Hello. I thought it was going to be way higher. Slacking a little bit. That's why you're not making it into the Ivy League.

Makes sense now. I was just, I'm disappointed with that one. 3-1. Your GPA in the special teams world, I would say at least a 3.8. I appreciate that. Extra curriculars. Too many video games going on.

Too many video games. What video game did you play? Oh, we're playing NCAA football. Just making sure. So you were a crazy maniac in college. Yeah, we had an issue with the video game. What video game did you play? Oh, we're playing NCAA football. Just make it sure. So you were a crazy maniac in college. Yeah, we had an issue with the video game. OK, we should play as a team. We played each other.

Had a pot circulating. Some of those guys may be watching. They know who the best was. And it was me. Slate, you're the best. Why I had the three point one. Slate. At least you're the best one.

Where did you play? Who did you play with? What was your team on? NC2A? I would go. You go. Ohio State with what? What year was it again? We go for wide spread it out. And then you had Troy Smith run quarterback. See, I can still remember my roster. We were good. We had that thing. He's hitting four verticals Look, you know get it up user come in run Run with slice on it get the edge. I get it. All right, so nctua played that okay What was the song on your college highlight film? Oh Hmm, I cannot recall. No, we can't recall. I

Can't call all right play too much football. Yeah Oh, hmm. I cannot recall. No, we can't recall. I can't recall. All right. Play too much football. Yeah. Yeah, I've been hitting the head. I've been hitting the head. No, remember? Let me put that's not good. That's not good. I know. That's could hurt. How many college offers did you get out of high school?

Oh, I'm going to say like 15. Oh, what were you? But you start. I was a three. Oh, OK. Not I say like 15. Oh, what were you a star star star? I was a three star. Oh, OK. I was not Rob coming out. And funny enough, I was just a four star. I had a 15. That's I committed to go to Dartmouth at a high school.

I was going to go the Ivy League route when I was taking my studies seriously in high school. And, you know, I chose to stay at home and go to UCLA and play at home. Played D1 obviously, so. I mean UCLA still. That was a great choice. UCLA, it worked out. It worked out all right.

Top five public university. Number one. Top five. Number one. Top five. All those cowbears out there. Berkeley, I mean Berkeley. Oh it's us, no.

What about Arizona Wildcats? Look at the latest, look at the latest rankings. Same division, same conference. Number one. Cal, you're number two. All right, Slate, let's get back into this. Determine what kind of guy you are. What was your first car?

My first actual car was a Lexus GX 460. Fancy. And I got that my third year in the league. Third year in the league? Before that I was riding my dad's car. First ever car. What was your first ever it was a my dad's Lexus He let me so you let me like this Lexus Lexus family Toyota makes a good product. They make a good product Okay, well, what do you drive now?

right now I'm gonna I'm in an Audi Audi Electric e-tron who we try one of the people for the earth. Yeah Yes, see, taking notes. Taking notes. This is really gonna determine. I can't go electric? No, no, no.

This is really gonna determine what kind of duty is. This is good. This is good note taking. I gotta put in parentheses, electric. Electric, put that in parentheses. Slate, what was your first endorsement deal? My first endorsement deal? Reebok.

Reebok! Oohbok. Reebok! Ooh! Team Reebok! You told Nike to kick rocks! Before Reebok cut me loose. Reebok cut me loose. They cut you loose? They cut me loose after my third year.

Well, I think they cut everyone loose. They cut everyone on the 10 Pro Bowls in Nike. Yeah, take that, Reebok. Thanks, Reebok. Oh, oh. Nevermind, you told Reebok to kick rocks. Reebok kicked me in the curb. But I think Reebok kicked everyone to the curb They left then

JJ JJ was still wearing Reebok. JJ what? He was still wearing Reebok He had his own line of shoe, which I probably would have chosen JJ over me. Oh JJ Reebok, let me see that Reebok. All right, kind of like a throwback type of guy. The old pumps. You know, pump the pumps. I was being. That's why you were so fast. You're pumping up those shoes. Good old Jim Well, and you walk in the training room. Coach, I'm hurting.

Just pump your shoes. Get out of here. Pump those shoes. I need to stay out of there with Jimbo early. All right. What? What's the square root of 144? Oh, I know, but I can't give him the answer. 144. Can I phone a friend on this?

That's easy, Slade. Come on, man. You're committed to Dartmouth. It's all right. We got it. 72. You're just messing with us. 12, 144. I don't know. I thought we would have 72. You're just, you're just messing with us. 12 times 12, 144. I don't know that. I thought we would have that.

See, I'm not a math guy. Didn't know. Edit that out. Edit that part out. Wait, you really don't know that? It's 12. Oh, okay, I was gonna say. Yeah.

Didn't know. It's DB12. Didn't know. Fast, not fast enough. Describe your locker. Was it messy? It was messy. Clean, oh, messy. It was messy. It was messy. Okay. Yeah, it was bad. Ben, we were

there for so long. It's hard. Yeah. I mean, I got all this stuff in there. I got 16 years worth of stuff. So many people said it is. Yeah. Bibles and stuff to slate. I mean, trophies, game balls, jerseys, uniform box to Nike. I mean, there's a lot of gloves, a lot of 16 years in one spot. A lot of stuff, a lot of stuff. All right. I got one. If you weren't a pro athlete, who would you work for? Or what would you do?

Well, you know, I've always had a passion for ministry. So I think, you know, my plan before I got drafted was a become a youth pastor. So that would have been the road I would have taken. Pastor put that down. All right. That's P S A T O R as a pastor now, and a fight breaks out at practice. What do you do?

Fellas we got to, I'm going to do the same thing I did when Rob fought Michael Bennett at the end of the Seattle game. Explain that. Stop, you know, like I don't you know, I don't want I don't want guys fighting out there. But you know, that's part of the deal sometimes.

It's football. I guess this is a gladiator sport. So it happens. All right. What's the most you've ever bench pressed? I don't know. You know, I mean, yeah, you were in that room a lot. Three seventy five. Three seventy five.

Oh, that was pretty like, you know, that was wait. That was maybe pre the four shoulder surgery. Yeah. Yeah. So acted like he didn't know, but knew. Mm hmm. Yeah. Yeah. So acted like he didn't know, but knew. Mm hmm. Three seventy five. That explains a lot what type of guy he is. Oh, a trickster.

All right. You see, have you ever been fined and for how much? I have been fined. Oh, from who? Face mask, NFL or from coach from the NFL. Oh, face mask, my rookie year in the preseason I go my entire career Don't get fined again

My last year I get fined twice For you know illegal crack back blocks because I'm trying to hustle and block for the returner You didn't save it. No, I didn't say that I went head hunting forearm shiver up high no James thrher. I'm just kidding. James Thrasher. James Thrasher. I'm just kidding. I was not head hunting. I'm just, that was no illegal crackback blocks. So you're just running towards the other side. Yeah, I'm just trying to finish my ball. Which is completely understandable for a guy that played in the era where it was okay to do that. That's right. It's hard for him to change his mindset in the latter part of his career.

Yeah. Well, you change your mindset once you get fined. That's really sad. But I'm kind of taking it that he's kind of a dirty player, dude. Yeah. Like he's freaking playing hard. Not asking playing hard. Whistle the whistle. Rob getting fined twice. That's not that, playing hard, whistle the whistle. Rob, getting fine twice. That's not that much.

Yeah, I know. I'm just messing. What's your fastest 40 time? Ooh, I mean, we all know how this goes, right? You're fast. Man, I one time ran when I was training. I ran this. Yeah, that's the one I ran.

Uh, four to eight, four to eight. Oh, four. And we can't argue that. Can I? Oh, I got a second on what was your fastest 100 meter? 428 428 For What was your fastest hundred meter What was your high school time high school? I ran 10 6 2 10 6 2 17 now How fast do you think you could have got that if you were training as a man if you put the same it on a man hours I mean, I don't know into your special I don't like to talk about what I could have done and this but are you breaking?

And when I ran in high school, I did not live weights No, I didn't live any weights in high school. You know, it's so much faster. I was 17 my senior year So I think I could have you know, I think I could have touched him 10-3 10-2 10-3 10-3 10- I ran over 23 miles an hour with pads. With pads. Oh my gosh. 23. So fast. Yeah. Was that your last year as well? Oh, I wouldn't run no 23 last year. OK. And then last. 21-8. 21-9. 21-8 still? All right.

We were last. I was like 15-6. It was bad. Right. You got up and gone. He had it. He got up and gone. He had it. Wait. Last speed question. Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now we have this debate. No, no, he had it. He had it. He got up and gone. He had it. Wait, last speed question. Could you beat Randy Moss in a 200? Now, we had this debate.

Oh, I know. We had this debate. We argued this. I mean, look, in my prime. In Randy's prime. I could have been 10 meters behind him in my prime. Chad O'Shea. Chad O'Shea took snake.

I ain't going up against Randy Moss' speed, man. That's an all time speed. All right. So he says, Randy, what was Randy's 40? He ran like a four one. Oh, no, he ran four two. I don't know if he ran, but he was fast. We used to mess with Randy.

He floats. He does float. It's crazy. Because Randy was what, like 32, 33? We were spry and Chad O'Shea used to mess with Randy all the time. Slay can beat you. Slay can beat you. Randy didn't like that.

He hated it. He didn't like that, but that was fun. He'd be like, Oh, chatty of. He'd be like, hell nah chatty of. All right. When was the last time you cried? Oh, besides when you heard you were coming last time I cried. I said you cry.

Here's a joke. But you know what? I was at a I was at a funeral for Don Hasselbeck. Don Hassel a couple of weeks ago. Funeral. Great man. Great mentor for my wife and I. And yeah, great football family. Yeah, they really are. They're great people all around.

They're great people. Hasselbacks. Whenever I see Hasselback, just always a great dude. Always. Always. They're a tremendous family. Really good on TV too.

Yeah, they are. Very knowledgeable. Sharp guys. Sharp men. What's a first date with you look like? First date? First date? I like to go somewhere quiet

where we can actually where we can talk. Walk us and talk. Yeah, you know, you go to a movie, you're not really talking. You know, dinner is a toss up. You know, maybe you just go hang out at the park or my wife and I, our first date was a cheesecake factory. Oh, beautiful. With Gary Guy. Gary's third will. He was third willing it. But you know, it gave us an opportunity to talk. You got to talk on a day. You got to get to know one another. Now, really important question to follow up on that. What cheesecake did you guys order? Oreo cheesecake. Come on. So good. The best. Oreo. Quick story about Gary Guy. And he was, I, when I was a rookie, he was a linebacker here for the Patriots. And he made me feel like I couldn't play, you know, at this level in the NFL,

because he jammed me on my very first route. And I didn't get off the line of scrimmage for about five seconds. And then he finally backed up and the ball was already thrown. I was one yard off the line of scrimmage when Tom threw that ball. So, Gary, you made me feel really uncomfortable out there. I think it worked out all right. It did. You need that. You need that.

You need that. It woke me up. Like, OK, I got to really focus off this line of scrimmage. That's right. In the light of where we're at, some would call that an NFL baptism. Some would. We got to wrap this up this week.

A little longer than we anticipated. What you didn't do with your four kids. What's that? He said, we got to wrap this up a little longer than we anticipated. What you didn't do with your four kids. What's that? He said we got to wrap it up. I said what you didn't do with your four kids. It's getting a little out of control. It's fruitful multiply. Get them.

Yes. There we go. That's what you shall do. That's it. That's what I'm asking you questions about. I shall do my job eventually. That's it. And that's why I'm asking you questions about it at the beginning. I shall do my job eventually. What's the last book we read? Last book, The Psychology of Money. It talks about, you know, how our perspectives sometimes shift once we start making money and how greed really plays a huge

factor in a lot of people experiencing financial ruin. And I think, you know, that is very true, especially in America. So I got to read that. But what is called the psychology of now that's PY. OK, just making sure. Wow, say to learning. I told you your last one just like it's going to be a great guy. He's going to keep us, you know, straight edge. That's what he's doing.

We're learning from him. That's what we're learning a lot from him. And we already knew a lot about him. We knew everything about him, but now we're learning more. Yeah. You got one more question. I'll go one more question. All right. All right. This is a good one.

OK, good one, because we really haven't talked about this category with you. Yeah. How did you prepare your steak? Yeah Oh, were you like an absolute dog animal? I'll sell just a wild one. I'm going rare now here Here's a here's an inside track for you guys if you ask Ten black folks how they prepare their estate Seven of them are gonna say well done Okay, are you in that came up a well done guy? And then I started hanging out with my brothers from the other and I realized that medium Maybe medium rare

Medium guy. Medium guy. Converted me. And then lastly, how do you eat that steak? Depends on who's around by yourself. I had to go hands. No hands. I'm going to do my for tonight. No, no, you're by yourself. I like that. I mean, when you get down to the bowl, you gotta go hand. You pick it up with your hand. The ball. You gotta go hand when you're with the bone. Right. And it eats what's left. Me and my sons. On that bone. Me and my sons. We're going bone. Okay. My daughter, my wife are around. I'm using, I gotta use the fork in that. You're teaching the boys that you gotta get all the meat. You gotta get all. No meat left behind. That meat close to the bone is some of the best meat on that on that steak.

Well, I think we got all our stuff. Let's one sec. We're going to let's let's go review this. Ernie, shall we go to the going to the going to the going to the booth? Ernie said we shall. We got to look at this over. You see? Yeah, he thinks he's a dude. He was three point one. I thought he was going to be hard.

Well, me too he thinks he's a dude. He was 3.1. I thought he was going to be. I know. Me too. So, he's really not a whiz for to know fast. Oh, yeah. That's that's freaky. That's freaky. Academic, read about money. Oh, I could die and he

likes his steak medium and he also eats it with the hands of no one's around but preferably uses fork and knife around. Okay. Alright. You know that I got a page. Yes. Yes, definitely On three, what do we think he is one two three ways? Yeah, we we think your whiz as as we we kept on saying throughout this interview We kept on learning about new stuff. I I learned that greed is the route to people losing their money Yes, I learned that if you're six foot five and a dog, you could play special teams for 12 years.

I learned so much about Osgood. I mean, yes, I mean, I was a little disappointed with your GPA, but there's a lot of factors that are in that. You were committed to Dartmouth because you were actually that smart. He got into Dartmouth. You were doing so many other things as well, like being an all-star in the video game world and being a brainiac there. And that was helping you out on the field. And you knew that was your real master of your life.

It was football. I'm gonna tell my wife that later too. Still at 3.1, you got by and you didn't even care about what was going on in the school world. You still got a 3.1, but you were a master with a 4.0 on the field and then video games and made a lot of money doing that to take care of your family.

There it is. You know what? also I smart you have to be a wizard to be a teamer for 16 years in this fucking league It's really like that's what people don't understand for you to can constantly innovate yourself each year to bring value to a team Where they're literally giving up a roster spot for you to just play special teams constantly innovate yourself each year to bring value to a team where they're literally giving up a roster spot for you to just play special teams. That's unheard of 16 years. Pro Bowler, 13 years, all pro 11 years, whatever he's that's that's that's

that's a wizard. That's a wizard. It's working. That's like some Harry Potter shit slate. I know you're religious and you don't read that stuff, but it's like Harry Potter's working. That's like some Harry Potter shit slate. I know you're religious and you don't read that stuff, but It's like Harry Potter's magic I'll take it. Mm-hmm. I appreciate she has that slate We appreciate you coming on the show being our first guest here on dudes on dudes We weren't really sure how I was gonna go but I can tell you this you took it You know to a whole nother level with us, man We felt really comfortable with you and not just on top of it that you're a whiz,

man. You're a dude's dude as well. You bring the team together. You're all dudes, dude. You're a dog. You're a stud. I'm on the field. But the main aspect of your life is that you are a wizard, man. So you are. That's why you are a whiz. And can I just say something? Yeah, go ahead. Let me just say one thing. I am very proud of the two of you guys

for how you've transitioned out of the game and how successful this next chapter is for both of you guys. Keep killing it. Thanks, man. Thank you. I mean, I'm gonna shed a single tear. Me too.

I'll shed a tear. I feel like this is eggnog time back in 2010. You know something? Your stud is well now. That was studly what you just said. I appreciate it. He was drafted in the 21st round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Philadelphia Eagles. My mind was just blown because I just learned something Julian. There was that many rounds in the NFL draft back then. That used to have a lot of rounds. The 21st round. Yeah. How many rounds

were there total? 30. 30 rounds total? Yeah. That's absurd. Let's get in our next guy. Let's do it I got the AI summary right here in my hands standing six feet four inches tall and weighing around 250 pounds during his playing days. He grew up in Daly City, California and played college football at Cal Poly San Luis Obispo Obispo. As an offensive tackle, he was drafted in the 21st round of the 1958 NFL draft by the Philadelphia Eagles.

My mind was just blown because I just learned something, Julian. There was that many rounds in the NFL draft back then. The 21st round. How many rounds were there total? 30 rounds total? Yeah, that's absurd That's I'm glad they knocked it down a little bit. That would be way too much if there was 30 run It won't even make sense. Won't even make sense. You know better have the lower drosters

Oh, but was there less teams? Is there only like 10 teams? Is that why there was 30 rounds? They're just throwing out there It's like kind of getting drafted to go to the military and if if someone showed up, they showed up then great. Kind of. But if they didn't show up, well, he didn't show up. That's why we players. If you're drafted in the military, you gotta go. That's when we know he, they just didn't have it. You're going to draft 50 guys back then. And the ones that don't show, we already know they don't have it.

More like baseball, not military, but yeah, we'll take it. And he went on to become one of the most successful head coaches in NFL history, winning over 100 games and securing a Super Bowl title in 1977. After his playing and coaching days were over, his football intellect and natural charisma helped him become a legendary broadcaster, pitchman, video game pioneer and cultural icon. Let's get on. John Madden.

John Madden. John Madden! And Jules, what's the first thing that you think of when you're here to name John Madden? The turducken. Oh, turducken! Who doesn't think of the turducken? This guy used to cut the damn turducken with his fingers, those big ass offensive line sausages that he had. He cut the turducken on Thanksgiving and he would reward the MVP of Thanksgiving Day With the turducken turkey leg chicken, whatever the thing is whatever leg it is. He would give it to him

We all know about it because of John Madden Thanksgiving John Madden football when you watch it John Madden if you're a kid that's in his 30s or lower 40s maybe even early 50s taught you the game of football through his video game. John Madden is one of the most important names for the NFL, one of the most important names for the National Football League. I mean, you got kids out in Tokyo and Africa and India

playing American football because of John Madden. Video game. I don't know if that's actually true. I know it's the highest grossing American video game of all time, but you know, it sounded good. It sounded good. That's all matters. That's all.

But you know, he daily city, I love John Madden because he, he's a fellow college of Sam college of San Mateo alum go Bulldogs Went to CSM the same Juco that I went to he's born and raised in Daly City So he had a huge Bay Area Bay Area influence and then he also coached the Raiders Legendary got them their first was it their first Super Bowl Got them their first Super Bowl with Al Davis with that cornerstone organization and the history of that organization to be the guy that brings them their first.

I mean he's just he's an absolute legend his name is synonymous with football. Here's a question for you being a California guy how did being a NorCal guy shape his approach to the game? That's a question I do at you. I mean, it's not even just John Madden. How is just being a NorCal guy overall? I mean, John Madden set the standard, but like, how do that change the approach or how did he see it, you know, approaching the game, you know, just being from California?

Well, if you look at him on and how he was on TV very approachable very like there's always the stories of how John John Madden took the bus everywhere and was always big in the community that he was visiting Would be go up to people he was like the most famous guy in football and he would go hang out at like the local restaurant and I think maybe and That's what the NorCal Nis he has is being able to be a very intellectual dude, but be able to break it down to simple for everyone to understand. Kind of techie, kind of techie.

I mean, he's C++ and shit. There we go. That's the answer that we're looking for. All of a sudden are from California. You're the answer for you to understand. There it is. Lee coding football. There is coming for you to understand. There it is. Leak coding football. There are regular viewer to understand.

I mean, I mean, Daily City, the frickin cloudiest place in the world, but awesome right by the SFO. Literally, it's the it's like other geniuses. They don't go outside. They don't. It's cloudy. What's the point of going outside? There's no sun. You stay inside.

You become a tech master, tech master. And that's kind of what he was. Well, in the Bay Area, that you have this mountain range that is along the whole coast and it funnels all that fog right from both north and south right into like Daly City. And so Daly City, always freaking foggy. Shout out ceremony that's over there. Cty was this mall where you everyone would go get their Air Force ones. It was in Daly City.

Shout out. Say in that era and being that consistent for that long of a time. Yes, you got to give it to him, I would say. Right. Who would be up there in that competition? There's there's a lot of great ones. I mean, I don't know. John Manning's the guy. He He is just the guy and that's why he got the video game cover doing Hey What I like WAP I'm gonna say WAP WAP he's go boom Just the way that he broke down plays to he like you said he innovate invented the telestrator that that's why

He is who he is because you said it. He made the game simple and the game of football is not simple. There's a lot going on, especially for you, the quarterback. You got to know 15 things going on in a matter of a split, two seconds. You got to know where the safeties are, who's who's blitzing off, what the defense alignment is doing, what your wide receivers are doing, what are the calls at the office line position. And then when he broke it down and John Madden broke it down on that little, you know, chalkboard or whatever he was doing. Yeah. He's the one who started that type of shit too, to break it down with the fans. He made it simple for fans to understand the game of football for people that don't play the game of football. Because it's hard to understand the game of football if you don't play it. And if you can break it down easy, it gets the fans more involved. And

that's also what made him so iconic is he got so many fans involved in understanding the game of football because he broke it down so easily. And that's kind of how I am too. I appreciate when it's simple. Jules, when McDaniels was calling 50 calls at the line of scrimmage, you got to do that. When the blitzers. I'm like, no, that's a lot for me. You got to think I like one. It's simple and McDaniels found that out too. As I also according, he's like, I'm just going to keep it simple for Gronk. And that's when you thrive the most.

So I appreciate John Madden for keeping it simple. You understand it and you can just go out there and do what you got to do. They call that kiss. Mm hmm. Keep it simple. Silly. But I used to say stupid though. You ever meet John Madden? I didn't get to meet John Madden. I never have either, but it feels like

I feel like I know him. If we ever did meet him, yeah, it's like you're gonna be a good friend. You know what he also did? He brought in the Telestrator. He brought in Madden. I. He brought in, you know, Madden. I remember hearing stories that they originally wanted to make it eight verse eight because they didn't have the technology to do 11 verse 11.

He was like, hard, no, if we're going to teach football, we're going to teach it correctly. He taught football to the viewer. The Telestrator, what that did and what that showed was that gave an inside look of how a coach coaches a player. You know, the great Telestrator coaches that we had, I had Scotty O'Brien, where these guys would sit up there for 20 minutes and they'd be doing John Madden shit. Are you guys? He draw like a butt here, a butt here.

You got to get up there and go and these guys get on these telestrators and they think they're fucking Picasso or something. And you know, and it's been brought the best out of it. It brought the best. And it was a form of entertainment. And it was and it broke it down simpler as well. It made it simple. And he was the first John Madden was the first to show people.

That's how we broke down film. That's how like probably in those days, they had overhead projectors where they would show, all right, guys, this is what we're doing. And like that that little thing right there is so huge. And now you look at like how they show games now. Everyone, every network is always trying to look for that new thing. That's like the telestrator with all the different camera angles, the fucking camera that goes in behind and everything like all that stuff.

You could he's a pioneer. A lot of that shit. You know what I mean? The Madden game. I mean, I mean, John Madden is so legendary. They already have a movie coming out about John Madden. You got Nicolas Cage playing Madden. And I've seen some pictures of him. He kind of looks exactly like Madden.

I don't know how they do that. Nicolas Cage is a skinnier guy. And like, what do they do? Fill them up with pillows? Yeah, I mean when I feel myself of self up with pillows I'll be in one corner my brother would be in the other corner we call it zooms and you just Get as big as you possibly can stuff as many pillows as you can and you would run full speed at each other and just

crash right into each other kind of like Michael all stop for sending lineback in you with me at the line Screamage and then we would just go flying backwards, but our protection was the pillows So that's what I guess Nicolas cage is doing right now Let me explain something to some people out there for all you people that think like oh, I got a baby Gronk in my house Look at this kids His form of entertainment was running full speed into a wall with pillows. Okay into Another person not a wall built different into another wall into another person shit

Mm-hmm. He literally the form of entertainment was playing hockey downstairs and fucking running into each other Oh, those full rules. Look it looks like Madden. That's Nicholas Cage. Holy shit. Yeah They got his titties and everything. I'm gonna be watching the movie Man boobs we all love mad man boobs Would you have rather played for John Madden as you know with him being the head coach or would you rather have been his? Broadcast partner. I'd rather play with him played for him. I heard he was an awesome players coach. Yeah. Well, I took a picture recently in a bathroom. I forgot where I was.

And it was a quote of John Madden. He goes, guys, what was it? I think it was like you can't break. If you don't make a lot of rules, guys can't break them. It was something like along that line. Didn't I send it to you guys? The fewer, the fewer rules a coach has, the fewer rules there are for players to break, keeps it simple, keeps it simple.

The rules that he has probably get fouled so well because there's not so many rules. And I think he did only have three rules. What were they? They were simple. Be on time. Pay attention. This is like kindergarten, I love it. I could have thrived.

I could have gotten an A, you know, playing for John Madden back in the day. And play hard when I tell you. I like that. So what, if he doesn't tell you to play hard, you don't have to play hard? You're probably just playing your game. But then like when he really needs that team to step up, his team to step you to play hard, you don't have to play hard You're probably just playing your game But then like when he really needs and that like that team to step off his team step up to another level

Brings him in the huddle. Hey motherfuckers I need you guys to play hard right now and whoop the motherfucking asses and then they go out there and play hard I bet you he had he probably had some great like pregame speeches I mean guy knows how to talk savvy Savvy clever and it was like always like entertaining Tom like the booms and You know, he would come up with names and he would like he analogized the regular man shit to like I really look up to people like John Madden that just have that wittiness to them

There's a lot of people like that. Greg Olson has a stray hand, has a, you know, Terry Bradshaw has it. Like you put them in any situation and they can just be witty with whatever's going on and figure out a way to explain what's going on or a way to ask a question of what's being evaluated right there. John Madden had that.

The words he would come up with, the way he would explain things. You gotta be born with that trait. I mean, you can develop it a little bit. I got it in a way, but they have it to a whole nother level. And it's like, I envy it, I love it. I love what they just do. And John Madden had that,

and that's what made him so great as well. And that's what made him such a great speaker and a guy to explain the game and broadcaster and coach because you can relate to people when you can you know speak like that and I I I love I love people like that and it's crazy he's he's one of the only he's the only broadcaster to go on the the four big networks NBC CBS, and then go into Fox. He did all four, he did the big four. That's when you know you're good.

Hearing old stories from Shanks, one of our bosses at Fox, he used to say that John basically gave the template of how we're gonna call the game, and it was basically a play sheet of how you would going to call the game like, and it was basically like a play sheet of like how they you would prepare for a game, like the information groups, like building a scouting system. There's he taught the people on like what information he wanted to see, like what the coaches request for all the film guys

for when they're breaking down an opponent. I heard like he was a huge part of all that. I could be completely wrong and may have just thought that through my brain, but I remember Shanks talking about a lot about Madden. No, definitely. He was one of the first guys that brought in the interviewing with the players the night before, whenever you hear like,

oh, are we talking to this guy? You know, like that was John Madden. And that's a true insight perspective into the game is when you get inside the heads of the player and John Madden started that, like you said. And that helps you out in the booth as well. And it gives, you know, a better perspective to the fans and a sports. It's in the game. All right. Before we get on, though, and figure out what type of guy he is, Jules,

I got a question. What was your best Madden rating? I don't know. Yeah, you do know. was your best Madden rating? I don't know. Yeah, you do know. I really don't. Come on, you don't know? I was in the 90s. I'll tell you mine. You were a 99 clubber.

Yeah, I was a 99 clubber, baby. That's why I asked you that so I can boost my ego up a little bit. 99 clubber. A couple times as well. What was I? I don't think I really deserved it, like one of the years, but I was a 99er a few times

My best what was my best 95 95. That's not bad 95 is really good overall. It must have been your speed that knocked you down. Yeah, your quickness is definitely in 99 should be elite What's your speed? What was your 40 by the way for 48? Oh, that's not bad. Actually if I won Yeah, but your quickness is just through the roof What was your speed? What was your 40 by the way? 448. Oh, that's not bad actually. 451. Yeah. But your quickness is just through the roof. Through the roof, Jules. 95 overall. That's not bad.

You were on the cover? Mm-hmm. What year? 12? I think it was. 11? You were on the cover, man? Yes.

I forget this. Yes, Jules, I was. You've been on so much cool shit, I forget half of it. Yes, thanks man. I appreciate it. It was really cool, man. I think it was 2017. You cool, man. I think it was 2017 you didn't get hurt after the curse was gone. It was it was gone

I forgot the guy before me broke it who was on it the year before me remember that but yeah I was groin spiking on the cover. I mean it was special dude It was really special to be on the cover of Madden So I just want to give a big shout out to John Madden for creating Madden and giving me the opportunity to be on the cover. And it was special, dude. It really was just, just to, you know.

It's an honor. Be in that category, you know, to be recognized like that. You know, that was one of the coolest things that happened to me while I was playing, you know, that was one of the coolest things that happened to me while I was playing, you know, in the NFL. It really was. Hell yeah. I mean, that's a huge honor and I didn't know my score, but like, I remember back

when we were playing, we all looked at our score. I knew I was on a high 90 of some sort and my best, but like, that was a huge thing in the locker room. I mean, you got guys that like, what the fuck man? That's all they care about now. That's all they care about is their goddamn man rating. I mean, what was it? The New York Giants, they were, or was it the Jets?

They were cutting guys based on their Madden score? I mean, that's what they said. I mean, the grandson was running it. Yeah, I mean, that just shows how influential and how legit Madden is. Let's get into what kind of dude is John Madden. Think this one's easy. Easy.

I mean, he's definitely a stud drafted in the 20th round. Maybe a freak, we all see the man boobs. That's out of love. Definitely had some dog in him because I've seen a mother f some people You see a mother f in the old footages. He used to yell. Mm-hmm. He used to remember He used to have all those great commercials. He used to have a lot great commercials. He's definitely a dudes dude. Mm-hmm But I think it's easy what he is on three one two three ways Why do you think he's a whiz? He's a whiz. I mean, like you said, he broadcasts it for all,

you know, four of the major stations. He was a head coach. He was a player in just the way he broke down games. You got to be a smart and intellectual guy in order to do that. And I would say that's his number one aspect of who he was, was just his knowledge. And when you got that knowledge, you're whiz. He literally got inside the game, as EA EA would say because of John Madden. Love some good whiz talk.

That was awesome. If you're the whiz, you got that whiz, right? Right, Jackie? Riverside? Jackie, you there? You hear me? But let's get into the chillest dude of the week brought to you by our favorite beer CoorsLite. Get CoorsLite delivered straight to your door.

Visit CoorsLite.com slash dudes and celebrate responsibly. Let me crack a beer. He tossed me one too. He tossed me two. Oh. Set dress him. That was a good catch. Thank you. He's got hands. Oh, forgot to do the thing oh He's got hands, but no brains. Oh Gronk somewhere is probably just like he heard that from somewhere like Because he always loves that when we do that on this on this show. He ends up drinking the whole beer He's like man. I feel good. I should do this more often. We should drink them at the beginning of the show. Yeah, that's what he says every time. OK, so what are we doing?

Because this is the mega episode about whizzes, and we just listened to all the dude segments about whizzes, we're going to build our ultimate whiz using the best traits of the whizzes that we just talked about. Is that track? Wait, say that again. So we're going to be build attributes from the whizzes we just talked about, which are Richard Sherman, Greg Olsen,

Sebastian Vollmer, Kyler Murray, John Madden, Troy Palamalu, Marshall Falk, Mike Rabel, Bill Belichick, Andy Reid, and Matthew Slater. We're going to find out who has, who's football IQ we're taking, who's X Factor, who's clutch. I see it now. You see it? All right, let's do it. First and foremost, it's a Wiz segment. So whose football IQ are we taking?

Or should we save that for the end? Football IQ? I think you've got to save that for the end. Let we save that for the end? Football IQ? I think you gotta save that for the end. Let's save that for the end. Let's start with athleticism from the guys that we've considered whizzes. Yeah, that we've deemed whizzes on the show. They are part of whiz cannon now. I mean sheesh. Right now off top from this list to stand out Kyler Murray and Marshall Falk for straight athleticists later. Slater is speed. Okay. Okay. Speed. I think you can include Sherman in this. Sherm's in there too.

Yeah, because he's got body. He's big guy that can move. But for any Rob here to Rob Rob, I think it's one of Sherman or Falk. I don't know, man. Kyler Murray is pretty damn athletic shift. He just shifty dude plays, he's like drafted to play baseball. I mean they're all- They're all lead athletes. Outside of you know, wrong. Madden, Belichick-

I mean Troy Paul, Malu's crazy. Andy Reid- Spider-Man, Andy Reid could be- The pass kicking pun or whatever he did, pass throw pun. He won that. Yeah. We know Belichick's not it. You know he's not, we know it's not Bill.

We're not Bill. I mean Greg Olson threw a jab in high school. Seabass is like German. That counts. He's just from another country and just picked up football. It's tough because they're all good athletes. I'm going Kyler Murray. Kyler Murray.

Boom. OK, now X factor. Intangibles, which I personally think we don't include as much as we should when we're talking about whizzes. Yeah, I know. Like that clutch factor, I think, is something we don't necessarily take into account when we're talking about whizzes. Yeah, I know. Like that clutch factor, I think is something

we don't necessarily take into account when we're determining. X factor. I got one, I think. I was looking at Troy Palamolo too, man. They had really great players on those Steelers defenses, but it was like the unvary, like what the hell is he gonna do?

He's not supposed to be in the box versus like when he's supposed to be in cover two. And the place he's making like not just you know in the deep defensive backfield but he's he's in the offensive backfield is everywhere. He's not supposed to jump over the center and make the tackle on the quarterback before he gets the ball. Yeah. Yeah it's got to be Troy Paul Momin. Cool that's a good one. Clutch who is clutch on here? This is an opportunity to go coach. Mmm, that's opportunity for the players. Mmm, okay. Coach is a clutch but Greg Olsen's never won one,

Kyler Murray's never won one, and everyone else is a Super Bowl. Matthew Slater. Okay. Is probably the clutchiest special teams player of all time. When your team needed to play a down inside the 30, even routine. Like Matthew Slater made that play. Biggest games he played in those games. The Super Bowl MVP that I got against the Rams, I think he had a bunch of, he had like, our punt team won that game. And he's a part of that.

You know, getting those guys to fair catch. But he also got leadership skills too. Can I throw out Mike Rable? I was thinking Braves too. Three touchdowns in the Super Bowl too. And he had like worthy sacks. He had those sacks in the games in the Super Bowl I remember. I mean he took Ryan Tannehill to an AFC Championship game. It's not that's clutch but. Clutch. I mean Bill's got six super eight Super Bowls. I mean Bill's pretty freaking clutch. Pretty fucking clutch. A specific

moment not calling a timeout against Pete Carroll. I think that's football IQ. Yeah, but it's in that moment. That's poker right there, man. No one to hold them. No one to fold them. I think variable think raves to vibes, vibes, guy, vibes, guy, Greg Olson, Greg Olson. Yep. He's such a vibes guy. Such a, anytime I've been around him, dude is like, goes out of his way to make everyone comfortable, very knowledgeable about a little bit of everything Mm-hmm not particularly any at driving the golf ball though

He's I mean he could drive the shit out of the ball straight down the middle every time So yeah, Greg Olson on vibes can innovate of this Yeah, that's Andy Reid with all his formations and his offensive stuff I like they did the ring around the rosy bullshit. Who does that? He's fun with it, but he also has purpose with it. So I think definitely. He's up there in age and he's been around the league forever

and he's still pushing the envelope and still creating and being innovative in the game of football. So I think it's a great one. Leadership. Matthew Slater. Slater, okay. I got an inside job on that though. Best leader I've been around.

Frabel. Yeah, Frabel's already taken. You can double up. Yeah, but I'm going with Matthew Slater. We always joked when the sky was falling there in New England. There's one meme for Slate. It's the GIF, GIF? Yeah.

Of the Titanic captain just sitting in that goddamn, that thing about with the freaking water about to explode and goes down with the goddamn, that's fucking slate. He went down with the ship. That's leadership. It's leadership, bro. Vision. Vision, now that's where you go, John Madden.

Yeah, okay. Because he had the vision for this dumb little video game that he was seven on seven football. Mm hmm. That he's like, hell no. If we're going to teach these people a game of football, it's got to be 11 on 11 to even go down this route and for it to be how as big as it's been communicating different cultures through football. I mean, that's John Madden. That was his vision. And there's a lot of people behind that with trip and All the people I didn't know all this Jules. I don't know I

Would say I literally got force-fed or I got served a clip today with John Madden in like 2001 Broadcasting a Patriots game and he's like you're gonna you know, everyone's gonna say some stuff whatever It's not we're not there yet, but it's really early But I really think this Tom Brady young Tom Brady guy plays a lot like Joe Montana now he's not Joe Montana this is 2001 2002 also invented the telestrator yeah he visually changed the hell the whole game of how we watch it and interpret it okay we got three more strength see bass I did he was like six foot seven eight with a six-pack and 315 and have you seen him lately on Instagram?

That dude is a thirst trap. He stole it for me. He's all over like German NFL media It is he's killing it and off the field after retirement still incorporating Germany the country He's from to the game. He's loved and that he's adopted as his own. I mean, he's just expanding our game. That's all he's doing. And he's strong as fuck. He was a strong human. Fuller strength now swag. Swag, Sherman.

Sherman, yeah. You mad, bro? Yeah, I mean, you could go Kyler Murray here too. Kyler, yeah, but I mean, Rich is, Sherman was like his talk and everything, the way his body language was, his dreads coming out. He always had, he was just, he was a swaggy dude. And how he played the game, how he talked to the media.

He knew he was like, when he lined up against the guys, he's like, I'm gonna win this battle. It's really cool to have a swa, one of the swaggy dudes come from Stanford. Yeah. That's a swag in its own. He came from such a smart school, the fact that he's even cool at all.

But there's a lot of Stanford guys that are pretty cool. John Elway. I mean Andrew Luck isn't cool. No, that's what you think of. Yeah. When you think of Stanford. Remember Toby Gearhart? Gearhart? Yeah, I was sick. Christopher Caffrey. McCaffrey? No. He's swaggy, but he's swaggy because he's just white. Yeah, because he's a white athlete. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think I agree with Richard Sherman with you, but I mean Andy Reid has a different type of swag he has large man swag yeah the Hawaiian shirt he got like Jimmy Buffett that may be more aura than swag and then football IQ I mean it's gotta be it's gotta be Bill I mean come on we did miss someone we didn't include someone very Marshall Falk yeah he could be an

innovativeness as well. Yes. You could put him in Vision. Vision. I mean, he's all of them. I mean, all these guys are fucking like Hall of Fame level, you know? Marshall Falk was a clutch. I mean, he was everything. Should we create a different attribute for Marshall Falk? Yeah. There's just the category is Marshall Falk and he wins Marshall Falk. Running on turf? No. Evolving the game for running back. Well, him and Roger Craig before him out of the backfield Tom Rathmann guys He was just he was like the first time a receipt like there was a receiver in the backfield Yeah, I don't want to get into that because people will be it's a whole it's a whole thing

Yeah, but he was definitely like at the right era I was number one offense like for a long time that offense was insane Okay to wrap it up for the ultimate ways for athleticism. We've got Kyler Murray for X Factor at the right era. I was number one offense for a long time. That offense was insane. Okay, to wrap it up, for the ultimate whiz, for athleticism we've got Kyler Murray, for X Factor we've got Choi Palamalu, for Clutch we've got Mike Grable, for vibes, Greg Olson,

innovativeness, Andy Reid, leadership, Matt Slater, vision, John Madden, strength, Sebastian Vollmer, swag, Richard Sherman, football IQ, Bill Belichick, and for Marshall Falk, we've got Marshall Falk. Do we agree with that?

Sound off in the comments if you disagree. Yeah, Rob said good. Rob agrees too? Yeah. Yeah, we texted him. Nah, he telekinesis'd me. Alright, well that was a good segment. That was fun. That was fun.

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