Games with Names - Game 1 with Joe Mazzulla | 76ers vs. Celtics (2022)

Episode Date: July 8, 2025

Joe Mazzulla is in studio! The Celtics Head Coach is with us to relive his first game as Head Coach of the Boston Celtics: Game 1 of the 2022 NBA season.  Joe joins us in studio (00:05:19). We go back to October of 2022 (00:40:30). We get into these rosters (00:57:58). We get into the game (01:05:30). We score it (01:27:19). We talk about pro athletes hanging out with other pro athletes in the Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (01:58:41). WELCOME TO THE NUTHOUSE! LIVE SHOW Tickets on sale 7/11 at 10am EST here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/gronk-jules-present-welcome-to-the-boston-massachusetts-08-28-2025/event/010062DAE4F48FBE Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You live long enough for the hero, you die the villain or something? Dark Knight. Dark Knight. The dire hero live long enough to be the villain. I mean, that's as true as you can get. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler and we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are covering game one of the 2022 NBA season Sixers vs. Celtics with West Virginia legend and New England native, NBA champion and movie buff Coach Joe Mazzullo. And we get into talking Joe's first game as an

NBA head coach. Just don't make this about your first game. Make this about how we can win the game. Coach also shows us a tattoo that has never been shown. This is the first time, I mean, so I have this. Wow. What makes Boston such a great sports town? When I see people wearing Celtic gear and they don't see me, I get goosebumps. And then we get into talking about what it's like

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Let's get back to Joe Mazzula. October 18th, 2022. TD got Boston, Massachusetts. Two hope-filled campaigns kick off on the parquet. The Mazzula era is underway. This one's for Bill Russell. All right. That's it. Thank you. I appreciate you.

Now, how many times do you think about the Roman Empire a week? This is like a masculinity thing because it's going around on the internet. What is? Like, men, if you're such a masculine man, you probably think of like the Roman Empire like five times a week. Really? I think about it at least once a day. I don't want to come off as dark,

but I think there's a lot of lightness in the dark. But I think a lot about the duality of like life and death and the decisions that you make and the balance of, you know, the rise and fall of the Roman Empire and how the rise and fall of dynasties, organizations, yourself, your family, all those spaces of that going to, I think about that probably 30 times a day of just the duality of competition and what that means and your own mortality and how to play your part in that and going after something.

A lot of times when people pick a dream or pick a goal to go after, they only look at the positive side of that. They don't look at the dark side of going after a goal. Yeah. And if you're gonna go after a goal, there's probably just as much, if not more dark side as there is light side.

And that's what comes with it. So I think about that space probably all the time. You can't have one without the other. My dad used to say, goals without actions are just fucking dreams. Yeah, but at the same time- And actions sometimes are the dark things that you have to do.

The sacrifice, the accountability, the shit that you have to run through to get to the top that you have to you have to experience The losing to get to where you have to go. Mm-hmm And you know failure the failure because the pain, you know, you feel like life is all about failure There's like five or six times where you don't fail. You just hoping that those five or six times are badass Yeah, no question. And life really is just a bunch of failures used to try to get as many successes as you can. Man, we're getting we're getting fucking deep. Let's let's let's welcome our guest. We have a very special guest.

No, we got to welcome a very special guest today here in the NUTHAUS Boston edition to talk about Game 1, 2022, 2023, NBA season. Seventy sixers versus the Boston Celtics in Game 1 of Coach Missoula's coaching career. In one sentence, don't get too in depth. We'll dive into the game in And one sentence, why this game? I mean, it's the Celtics. And it was the beginning of our journey

that we're now three years into. And I think you can never stop learning, but when it's your first game, it's your first opportunity, and you look back three years from now on the journey that you're on, it's always good to go back and kind of see see like, man, that's what I was thinking in that moment and kind of where you're at now.

Yeah, it's just the greatest game of all time. No, definitely not. No. All right. Well, we got the greatest game of all time hasn't happened yet. Yes. Yes. Let's go. That's a great answer. But hey, thanks for talking to the team this year. And I'm happy to be here. So I appreciate the growth of our relationship.

I, you know, I'm hoping my words. Meant something. Maybe not. It didn't work, Coach. It didn't work. It didn't work. So I got a fucking work. So maybe don't call me next year. I won't ever come talk to the team. I got a list of guest speakers that aren't welcome back.

For next. And I guess I'm on there. No flyless, bro. No flyless. Jesus, I feel like a soft now. Coach, talk to us about the offseason. How's it going so far? I think your buddy's hoodie when I walked in today, who said it best, happily miserable,

happily miserable. That's how it's going. Yeah, we got to bring that. We got to get you a happily miserable. It's a beautiful. What's a beautiful expression and a very honest and What does it mean to you? I? Mean, I think it's the space

It's the space of where people are trying to to live and you know I don't think you can have one without the other and I don't think you can have too much of one and so I think It's a balance of like, you know, you're in a space right now. We didn't achieve our goal I mean our goal is to win a championship every single year, we have a responsibility and ownership, you know, to the city, to the organization, really to our to ourselves in the competitive arena to try and do that every year, and you didn't do it. And so but at the same time, there were a lot of positive things that came out of the season, you know, as a team as individuals, there's a lot of stuff that that, you know, comes out of the positive, you know, in your family and in your life. And so you have to be able to accept both of those

things. And, you know, I think the scariest thing is like, if you plan on coaching or playing for a long time, if you look at the ratio outside of like John Wooden, Red Owlback and Phil Jackson, the ratio of like successes to failures, weighs heavier on the failure side. If you count not winning a championship as a failure. And so that space of happily miserable is somewhere where you got to be extremely comfortable because I think that's where you grow the most, you know? Yeah. I mean, that's how the off season is going. That's how now you guys are faced with some diversity.

You know, I used to hear every, every last meeting of the season, Bill would say, you know, that's the last time this team will be together. Next year, there's going to be new coaches. Next year, there's going to be new players. Next year, there's going to be guys that leave. There's going to be guys that come. How do you deal with an adversity like losing JT and then going into another season, not knowing what your team's going to be.

How do you deal with these types of things as a coach mentally? I mean, I think at the end of the day, like you got to sign up, you sign up for the journey. I don't think you sign up for the short term approach to one year. You know, if that was the case, then I would have retired after year two. You know, and so I think you sign up for the journey and you don't sign up for just one person's journey. I think you take on the journey of everybody in the organization, all of your players,

all of your coaches, all your staff members, for however long you're together, you're on this journey. And there's different chapters in it, right? And each chapter has a different heading, has a different theme, has a different outlook, but it never gets, it doesn't get stopped written. You know, and I think that's how you have to look at it is, you know, one chapter is over, the next chapter begins.

And, you know, you have to take on, you know, other people's journeys, you know, to build those relationships and to go after stuff together. And so that's kind of how we look at it. Coach, you have such in-depth answers. Like we haven't, we were talking before the show and you just you're always very deep. Do you read a lot? How the fuck do you know all this shit?

You're fucking younger than me. Three thirty nine. I'm thirty nine. I mean, so a couple of my favorite books are probably some of yours. So that's great. On the road. I think you have to, I think the most important thing is I've been blessed to have great people, great family, great opportunities. But I think you got to fight for perspective because if you don't, you could lose yourself. And that's my biggest fear in life is losing myself amongst all this worldly stuff that we're going after, which is important to go after.

But like, Ecclesiastes is my favorite book. No, that's not one of my football guy, not a big reader, audio book guy. Got to listen. Can't read very well. Proverbs. Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, Psalms, the book of wisdoms. Like I think, I think, you know, we were talking about the history of, of Israel and Rome. I think you just have to understand everything that came before you and you have to understand what's possible to come after you. And so I think you have to fight for that perspective. It's so easy to just get caught up in your own world and think what happened to me is either the greatest thing

or the worst thing. Now, what you just said there, you said you have to know what came before you. Do you see coaching these newer players that they struggle with seeing and learning from the past? Because, you know, every older generation that leaves a locker room and welcomes a new generation

into a locker room is like, man, I feel like every old guy says, man, they don't they don't they don't fight like they used to. Oh, man, they don't understand the history like they used to. And now that I'm the old guy and when I was the old guy in the locker room, I say, oh, you know, the same thing. Do you see it's getting different or I think that comes from the generation being attached to its identity and not being able to let it go. Right. Like you see it all the time when like it happens to me,

like I was a shit player, like I was an average basketball player at best. You know, I just kind of tried hard. But the older you get, people's memories focus on certain things. And so I think you end up becoming better than what you once were at the time, because everybody always wants to remember that emotional good thing and that like that attachment to the identity. And so the older you get, the better you were. You know what I mean? No, I it's it's crazy.

I'm the complete opposite. Me, I am personally, too. Yeah, what I mean? No, I it's it's crazy. I'm the complete opposite. Me, I am personally, too. Yeah, like I get the more I laugh at how bad I actually was. Exactly. Like I don't think like when people come up to me all the time and say, man, how did you make that catch in that Super Bowl? I go, I don't even think I think about the third down that I dropped coming out of the fucking halftime. Same being the raw guy saying it's going to be a hell of a fucking story.

And then our defense goes through and out. We get a fucking I get a good look. I get the guy bottom drop the ball. That's what I think. I think of the shit. But I think I think most of I think most and it's probably a little bit of a generalization or attached to the identity of what they once were.

You know, and so I think that's where the oh, you know, we never did this stuff or, you know, and I think that's part of our responsibility, your responsibility in the present moment is to give it everything you have, and then when it's over, you're just forgotten about. I think that's just kinda. I think it also goes to that dream thing that we were just talking about.

A lot of these guys, a lot of people, like you said, we are given information now. Everyone can see and experience what other people experience. Some people forget about their own journey and forget about, hey, let's make our own experience and live off of that. Yeah.

Well, they also forget about, like one of the things I like to do as an exercise is, I think everyone studies successes, but I always go back and look at the best players and the best coaches and all the mistakes that they made. Because it's humbling, because like one, they were all better than, like all the coaches in the past are better than I am.

And all the players in the past were great players, but you got to look at all the mistakes that were made and it's a balance. And so, you know, a healthy exercise is to go back and be like, okay, you know, why did this team, you know, blow this lead in the 95 NBA finals in a game or like what adjustment was made there? And so I think you have to find the balance of like you want to look at all the best things that coaches did But you also got to look at it's easy to forget all those things

you know that the mistakes that were made before your time and and And so I I try to do both of those, you know You have to study the successes, but you're also gonna study the failures because it gives you a perspective 1000% you know a Mistake is great You know, you have to study the successes, but you're also going to study the failures because it gives you a perspective. 1000%. You know, a mistake is great because it's a learning experience. You just can't make that mistake twice. Yeah. Right?

You can try not to. Try not to. You're going to make a different one. But you're going to make a different one. Yeah. A different one is okay. You just can't, like, that's what I always told young players. You're going to make mistakes.

Just don't make the same one twice. Yeah. But make a different one. Make a different one, but you can't like that's what I always told young players, you're going to make mistakes. Just don't make the same one twice. Yeah. But make a different one. Make a different one. But you'll learn from that. You know what I mean? Now you have such a you have such a learning mindset. You grew up in Providence, Rhode Island. You're a Justin. But on the border, I'll talk it right over there.

We're in we're in fucking road. We're a roadie. OK, we're a roadie. Now, Where did this Love of learning come from your dad was a basketball coach. Is that where this all came from? What's a young? coach Missoula like Yeah, I mean I probably didn't I probably wasn't as much of a growth mindset until I graduated from college I mean, I was probably very the opposite in college, but I was I was very I was very blessed I always had you know, my parents were there for me in different ways.

My mom was the academic side, you know, making sure I did my homework. My dad was like the, the mindset side. But I always had great coaches. Like I never had a negative coaching experience. And I think that's huge for a kid, you know, trying to get into athletics is like, I can remember, you know, 95 if not 100% of my coaches names at every level. I can remember some of the practice plans, what they taught me, and I just never had a negative experience. And so as I started to get older, I realized what they were teaching me was so much bigger than just basketball, but it was all based on the fundamentals. And so I think when I got into playing, I was probably more results oriented and caught up in my own

identity and trying to make a name for yourself. And after that, when I was like forced, when the game was taken from me and I was like forced to decide, okay, like where am I going? You know, you can't play. And so where is my identity going to be in? You know, I started to go back to those moments of coaching and reflecting

on how I never had negative experiences as a coach and all the times with your teammates. And it's like, you know, the best way to stay in the game if you can't play is to, is to be a part of that and to give that back to the people that are coming after you. And so I think that's kind of where it's come from is like, you know, here are the moments I'm only here because of the people around me and cannot be, you know, one person that helps, you know, one person that helps You know others get to that, you know now you never had a bad coach. What makes a great coach them. I Mean at every level I mean I tell you my CYO coach at st Phillips we practiced I think three four days a week from 530 to 8 and it was a drug. It was just drudgery

Yeah, we did the same thing every single practice ran the same place. But, you know, Mike and Jeff did an amazing job of teaching us the fundamentals and putting us in position to win. And like, you know, same thing with my you coaches, you know, Coach Vital and, you know, those group of guys like to me, they're they're honest with you. You know, they're in it for the right reasons. They're in it to see kids get better. They're honest with you, whether know, they're in it for the right reasons. They're in it to see kids get better. They're honest with you, whether you're good or whether you suck.

I remember I had a bad game and a you and my my coach came up to me and was like, man, you suck today. He's like, but, you know, the guy you went against just kicked your ass. But, you know, he's going to make it one day. And so are you. And so they're able to be honest with you, but also give you, you know, the encouragement or the perspective that you need to go forward. And I think they never let you settle, uh, being yourself. I think they,

they hold you accountable to the person that you say you want to be, or the person that they think you can become. And that's a, that's a space that, uh, many people aren't willing to go to. So I think that's kind of at any level, that's what the coaches are. Hey, have you noticed coaching styles evolve these days compared to what we used to go through? I mean, everything matches the times, you know, and I think you always have to evolve. I think there's moments. I think I think it's more about what the personality that you have. Right. And I think as we get into this game, you know, looking at that, as I'm standing on the sidelines, even that moment, I'm like, okay, who am I going to be as a coach? You know, who am I? What am I going

to be like? What's my identity? How are we going to, how are we going to go about things as a team, as a staff? How am I going to handle things individually? And so I think it's more like personality based where as long as you can become an authentic to who you are as a leader, people will respect that and they'll go with it. And it doesn't mean it's going to be perfect all the time, but I just think it's constantly evolving because people are different and personalities are different. What's your identity as a coach? Yeah, I mean, I think it's based off of the players that I have.

I think to be a great coach, you have to have great players. You have to have a group of players that allow you to be yourself. I think you have to create a space where you allow your players to be yourself. I think that identity, where I think it think it is is, you know being authentic to who I am You know, I'm not afraid to say like here's where I suck is where I'm you know, pretty good Here's where I need you guys to fill in for me and here's how we could do it together So I think it's the space of like authenticity and then your mindset, right? I think everything comes down to your mindset how you approach things. How do you have a certain perspective on that?

and then you know, can you be great tactically? Like, can you find ways to, to, you know, to be great from a tactical standpoint to outthink your opponents and to put yourself in position to win? Yeah. I suck at a lot of things, you know? I mean, we all do. Yeah. Is there anything that you pulled from growing up with a dad as a head coach? Because my dad was a coach and there's shit I pulled on how I would. I've never coached. But, you know, when you get to become an older player in a locker room, there's kind of that way to communicate with younger guys

that comes off as like a coach. Is there anything you pull from your pops? I mean, so much. Most of it's illegal now, but there's still a lot of stuff that's into it. I think he just wasn't afraid to be himself. He wasn't afraid to be himself. He wasn't afraid to win the moment, however he thought necessary to win that moment.

Whether it was basketball, soccer, track, he was always gonna do whatever it took to get the most out of that guy in that moment. And that's something that I could always get better at. I think's you know, you're always being challenged of like how could you be better in this moment? And he was just relentless like he was relentless in his mentality like relentless in his mindset relentless in his approach towards the fundamentals On and off the course. I think those are two biggest things Now you grew up in Providence. You grew up a massive Celtics fan. Yeah, I was a Red Sox fan before sell there So let's hear your sports hierarchy of what your fandom was

Well, so my uncle might credit to him. He got me into like the the history and a study of sports So he was a huge 49ers fan Shut out Mike. I know and he collected all these he collected He just collected memorabilia and stuff. And so it started with like these pencils. I don't know if you remember these old pencils of like all the different NFL teams. So we had one of every team,

but I wasn't allowed to use the 49ers one. And then that was his team. And then the Patriots were coming to a training camp at Bryant College, that's where my dad went. And so he would take me to Bryant College for training camp all the time. And so I got these pictures with like a young Adam Venetary because you had to walk that dirt road,

from the dorms and everything. So we would stand on that dirt road, had a ball signed by Venetary, had a ball signed by that whole team. I don't remember that. So it started with like the Patriots in that. So your Patriots is number one? It's not a hierarchy as much of it's like,

this is how it went. Okay, this time. And then it went Red Sox because the All-Star game came to Fenway in 99. And you went? And I went. So we went for the- What year is that?

Is that Sosa? That's McGuire. I really don't even remember. It was probably in the 90s. I think Ken Griffey had, I really don't remember much of it, but I think Griffey had a huge game, that all star game.

So here's the story. So we went up just for the festivities. Like we didn't have tickets to the game. And so we're standing around Fenway. We're going through all this stuff and then we get into a taxi to go somewhere. And we ended up, we're in a taxi with Ray Knight, uh, you know, who's, I think he scored the winning run in the 80s series to beat the Red Sox. So we were in there. Randomly, randomly.

Hey, let me get a taxi. Yeah, let's get one. Right. Yeah, you don't do it. And then like some random person comes up to us and was like, hey, I got one extra ticket to the game. And you couldn't do this now. So I'm 11, 10 at the time. And we're our 10 minutes away from home. And this stranger comes up and offers us one ticket.

And my uncle is like, you got to go. So he sends me into the All-Star game. How old are you? I'm 10. Oh my. Solo, dolo solo. Yeah, sends me into the All-Star game. What a fucking uncle. That's a cool uncle. By myself. And he's like, hey, like, I'll meet you right here. I think he called my dad and my dad drove down, which I don't know what the hell he was going to do. And so I just sat next to these two people in the stands by myself watched the 99 All-Star game. 10 year old Mizzou. And it had this book that in the back of the book taught you how to throw all the pitches. And so I would like I was in the baseball for a little while so I would like work on

that. And then then was the Celtics because when they drafted you know Joe Forte was one of my favorite players to watch from North Carolina. And then so when they drafted Joe Forte and I would go to Red Outback Camp, you know, and so for like three, four years every summer, I would spend a week at Red Outback Camp, stay in the dorms at Brandeis. Coach Outback would talk to the team. And so, you know, I just fell in love with like, over right out back first and then fell in love with the Celtics And so that's kind of the trajectory and in the Bruins I just like to be and so they're just forth by the fault but like that's kind of this timeline of like how You know Boston sports kind of came into my life Wow

What about some of the spots Boston sports heroes? Did you like I mean Vinny Terry was one Vin to start because you signed your ball He signed a ball and then we I was watching the first Super Bowl at my grandmother's house and he hit it was a Panthers was The first one I know Showing turf. Yeah, so he hit the game winner. I think on that one and that was also the year He hit the snow one. Yes in the Raiders and so that and then the Panthers one was another game winner that he had And so he's up there. Clutch, you like clutch guys. Yeah, and then I had this plaque of Celtic players

of all the greats of the 80s and 90s. And for whatever reason, I like Robert Parrish. I like to nickname the Chief. So I just liked the Chief. And that was just a cool nickname to have. So from a childhood, they don't remember that. And then, you know, you got those years in college of when it was like Pedro and Curt Schilling and and like that whole crew bloody saw.

Yeah, that was just a huge just motherfucking on broad TV. Yeah. And then and then but like and then Garnett and that era. And also like, yeah, just you grew up in a great time. You grew up in a great time. Great live in a great time. Great time. And now I get to, it's like full circle because the great time that I grew up on as a kid, for however long I'm here, I've been entrusted with this opportunity, ownership responsibility to like, do what was done when I was a kid, you know? Yeah. And so that's where like,

happily miserable comes into place of like, I think when you have responsibility, you have to take on the other side of responsibility, which is like the weight that that carries, like that's never going to go away. And so like, it's almost like I'm using everything from my childhood to spur this opportunity that you know, we have as an organization to like bring that back. It's kind of cool. Yeah. But it's also it's tough, which is that's what you want. It is tough. You know, and you know, you have you feel like you have this responsibility because of what you experience as a kid being part of this community. And you have

relationships with other coaches. Do you talk with raves at all? Talk with you know, Coach Mayo was great. raves has been great. Just his perspective. You know, Alex Mayo was great. Vraibs has been great, just his perspective. You know, Alex Korra is awesome. Yeah. He's been around, he's seen it. I haven't tapped into the Bruins or the Revolution

like I need to. But I think it's a fraternity that you have to have, right? Because Coach Belichick's been great, especially my first year, he was great. But I think it's a- You came, didn't you? You came to our facility. I remember seeing you there.

Yeah, and he came to a couple games, and then we talked a lot about just the perspective and how you go about things. But to me, it's just a fraternity that you have, because we're all going after the same thing, and we're all carrying the responsibility and the weight of bringing what Boston, what the city deserves in there.

So yeah, I think it's a huge connection to have that. It's so crazy that this is the perfect pro-sport city. So yeah, I think I think it's a huge connection to have that. It's so crazy that like this is like the perfect pro sports city. It is. Yeah. It has everything. Yeah. Everything. Like it's not a college area.

I mean, we have hella good colleges, but it ain't college sport area. It's, it's not fall, spring, summer. It's football season, baseball season, basketball season, hockey season. That's the only way they live out here. It's crazy. You know, I grew up in the Bay Area and we had the Niners, we had the Giants.

The Sharks just came out. But it wasn't the same. They didn't have four, you know, people. I think here in Boston, there's no distractions like it. You know, each sport is is like a foundation of like a family. Yeah, like there's there's nothing, I get goosebumps. When I see people wearing Celtic gear and they don't see me, I get goosebumps.

Because it's like, I know they're wearing that with like a sense of pride and there's a story behind why they're a Celtic fan is a story behind, like it's almost passed down from their dad or you know, their grandfather or like, you know, so like that gives me like the greatest thrill and a sense of chills when I see that, you know, the grandfather or like, you know, so like that gives me like the greatest thrill and a sense of chills when I see that, you know? Yeah. Now what's now what's young coach Missoula's favorite place on Federal Hill? Panovino. Panovino. Yeah. I think I worked there for like two days.

What happened? Not a big manual labor guy. And so I was like, I'm not gonna I'm not doing that. I can't do this. I think you had the like, if I remember, you had to ask for like three to now, I guess the people that like, now I'm that guy, because I always want sparkling water instead of distillable, you had to ask for like, three different waters. Did you want to still flat spark? Yeah. And then like, the utensils had to be like three fingertips from the thing. And I was like, I'm just gonna go to the gym.

Tight ship, baby. They run a tight ship over in the hill. You ever go to our four nos? Our four nos? I maybe once when I was a kid, Tight ship, baby. Hey, we're on a tight ship over in the hill. Did you ever go to Al Fornos? Al Fornos? Maybe once when I was a kid, but I don't remember it as much. You ever go to Sienna's? No. That was over there on the hill.

We used to go there. We weren't allowed to go to Federal. Or we weren't really allowed to go to Providence. Coach didn't want us there. There's a lot of great restaurants in Rhode Island. Cacerta's Pizza is obviously a big one. Rosamia's Pizza in Johnson is phenomenal. I got a, what's it called, Rosamia?

Rosamia, you gotta find it. It's like the true Sicilian pizza, like nice thick square slices. What kind of sauce, is it a sweet sauce? Uh, no. Not too sweet? It has like the, it's got like pepperoni and the peppers on there and like built underneath the cheese.

We get that a lot with my grandmother. Now does your grandma make like a hell of a, like red sauce and shit? Have you seen Nona's on Netflix? Yes. Yeah. It's on fire. Yeah. Great movie. Yeah. It's fun, right? Yeah. But I was I couldn't remember if my grandmother called her sauce

sauce or gravy gravy, but she made a hell of a, you know, a sauce or gravy. You know, I always want to experience that Italian East Coast. No, great. that was us. That every what Sunday? I mean, every so every night, like, because they she lived in the same house about that there was I think there's nine brothers and sisters combined, but you never knew who was coming over. So she would make dinner every night.

And it was just an open door. So like whoever came in came, you know, if you got there late, you didn't eat. And so but on Sundays, we would have like, you know, a big, a big ordeal. Like all my aunts would cook. My grandmother would cook. It was I mean, it was just like just like the movie. It was cool. It was cool to kind of relive that. I watched that the other night with my wife. Now we got bread for every everything, right?

Bread has to be bread. I've learned that in the Italian house. You got to have a piece of bread at all time for the sauce, the fucking noodles. You got to you can't you got I've learned that in the Italian house You gotta have a piece of bread in your hand at all time for the sauce the fucking noodles You gotta you can't you gotta dip the bread in the sauce. You can't let the sauce go to waste I don't eat as I don't eat as much bread anymore. Can't coach. I know I mean I'm getting old and Not getting old but I I've heard the interviews you got to stay in shape So you you can understand the perspective the perspective that the players are in right? I think that's important I think that's a way to be empathetic for what those guys have to go tell.

Hell yeah. But I lost touch. I don't do the coffee after dinner. I can't do that. I'll never go to sleep. I can't. No. I'm sensitive to that stuff too. I went through a Sambuca phase though. Oh. Yeah.

Like that. Little tea? No. What is it? Oh, is that the alcohol? Yeah. The digesty? Yeah, digestivo. It's a digesty. What else? A Zambuca and then there's another one.

There's a limoncello, which is too sweet, but there's an Amaro that's phenomenal. Like the Amaro's are great. I used to drink those a little bit. They always say it makes your stomach feel better. I felt like it made me drunker. I think both can be true. Also a side effect.

We'll be right back after this quick break. So what happened at Chappaquiddick? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond. And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline, I think in the New York Daily News, it's Teddy escapes, blonde drowns and in a strange way, right?

That sort of tells you. The story really became about Ted's political future, Ted's political hopes. Will Ted become president? Chappaquiddick is a story of a tragic death and how the Kennedy machine took control. And he's not the only Kennedy to survive a scandal. The Kennedys have lived through disgrace,

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New episodes every Wednesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to Barry Bones on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. 25 years, 25 players. Before training camp kickstarts a new NFL season. NFL Daily is going to look back. It is a special six episode series where myself, Greg Rosenthal and some of the top NFL minds like Kevin Harlan, Mina Kimes and Bill Barnwell make the case for each player. We're taking a look back, giving you NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years. So who made the list? You know Tom Brady's on it.

Where's Patrick Mahomes? Mahomes is into the end zone! Touchdown Kansas City! He's on it. How about Lamar Jackson? Jackson takes it himself. Look at him dart back and forth. Oh!

He broke his ankles and he's got a touchdown! He is Houdini. You are gonna have to listen to find out, listen to NFL Daily's top 25 players of the last 25 years starting on June 30th on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Erin Welsh, an ecologist and epidemiologist. And I'm Erin Almond-Updake, also an epidemiologist.

On our show, this podcast will kill you. We cover everything from the biology of deadly diseases to the weird history behind them, all with a healthy dose of humor. Like the time we made a surprising discovery about scabies. When you look at pictures of especially these particular mites, they look more like tardigrades, like water bears than they do ticks. They're kind of cute. Or when we used a classic movie reference to explain allergy tests. An allergist will inject teeny tiny amounts of the thing that they're allergic to underneath their skin. It's just like eye cane powder in the Princess Bride, but it works. And our COVID-19 series was even added to the CDC Museum archives.

So need I say more? New episodes drop every Tuesday on the Exactly Right Network. Listen to This Podcast Will Kill You on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Coach, you played at West Virginia. Yeah. Went to a Final Four. Yeah. Went to a final four. Yeah.

Explain this. Like, how was that experience? You got to play in a fucking final four. That's insane. Yeah. I mean, I think it was such a it went by so fast. It does. I went by so fast that the week leading up to it went by really fast.

You know, first, like college, I had two great coaches. I started out with coach Beeline. He was great. And then I, you know, and then I started, and then I went to coach Huggins. It was phenomenal. And then we just had great teammates. Like, and that year went to the final four,

it kind of all came together. But that was when I realized that like, man, winning is not as fun as people think it is. Like it's, it wasn't an easy year. Like we were in the, I think we were in top top 10 most of the year. I think we finished 31 and nine or something like that. But 31 and seven, but it never felt like that.

It felt like we were 500 the whole year. And that was that, that prepared me for kind of where we're at now and the healthier approach to like, nothing is ever going to be good enough when you have a responsibility to greatness. And so like, I just remember like practices being miserable. Like, it was like, man, this this responsibility to wing goes beyond the joys of winning. And you have to fight for their perspective, but you also have to take on that was the biggest thing I learned, like we lost the game, a New Year's Eve to Purdue, and we got

smacked. And you would have thought the season was over. And yet I think we were like, still top 10. And so it was a great balance of learning, you know, what comes with success, and how you have to handle that throughout the season. And, you know, we had great guys are able to just bring us there. Now, who would bring that mindset of mediocrity, even though you guys were above me, you guys were fucking 31 31 and 7 was that Bob Huggins? Oh, yeah How was it playing for him? He's a ledge. He is a legend

Very misunderstood guy, but he was the best and he was very he reminded me of my father But he was the best to play for how how did he remind you father? I just no nonsense had an innate ability to, fuck you and I love you became synonymous and you couldn't tell which one was which. That's the best way to describe it. Like sometimes when it was fuck you, I was hearing I love you.

And sometimes when I was hearing I love you, I was hearing fuck you. That makes sense? It does. It's bad that I know and understand that. And so like and so like So like my dad and but like coach hugs were like the same there where it was like I just couldn't tell What it was that day, but it you knew it was to get the best out of you

There's the only thing he cared about was like getting the best out of you and he'll go to any measure Possible to get the best out of you. There was no possible to get the best out of you. There was no restrictions towards that, but the best thing he did was when the game or the practice was over, he never brought that energy. He never brought that energy from what he was doing on the sideline to what you were doing off the court. I mean, I think that's a huge balance for a coach.

Yeah, that's, I mean, people don't, what goes on in a game is different than that. I think that's what the good coaches and players relationships. I remember there's a few times, you know, with my chatty chatty O'Shea, my receiver coach, we're fucking each other up, you know, on the sideline. After the game, we get the win. All right. Yeah. All right. Yeah. Yeah. That's just how it goes in battle. Yeah, that's it.

But I think you got to be able to take the cap off, though. You have to be able to. And I think that's that's the biggest thing I learned from him was he was able to take the cap off more times than not of like, you know, how I hold you accountable on it's because I love you. But then this love kind of looks different when you're off the floor. And he was he was amazing at that. Yeah, amazing. Now I heard this story. Oh, no. About what is it the ultimate fucking the ultimate alpha challenge with your dad. Yeah. Well, it struck me because where did you hear that? I heard it. I think Barstool, maybe. Oh, yeah. And it struck me because you guys went to a baseball field and you had to get out. Yeah. I went I had a similar situation. It was just I was doing batting practice with my dad

and I was dipping my shoulder I think I was 13 and I I finally at that age was like trying to bow up and he was brushing me off the plate. Yeah Right, and this is before a game. This is at like 430 you get a little BP before a game then we go to the game and Fucking I got sick of it. He threw at me I threw the bat down and I charged him out of my daddy one to me Put me on the ground. I ended up going to the game with the bloody no bloody Jersey Yeah, people were asking me, you know, I was like, but that in practice wouldn't go well now

Okay Now look at you but like is that the pulling the best out of you? I would so I fire I think I remember this story correctly. I Our soccer game got canceled. It was raining and he was probably pissed that he had to come all the way out to Walnut to pick me up. And he was given in my friend to ride home. You know, Mark, good friend of mine, you know, he's on the soccer team and I, you know, he was, so he had to be pissed because it was a tough place to get to this right now. The airport. Yeah.

And so green. Yeah. And so green. Yeah. Yeah. And so on the way to drop in Mark off at his house, I'm being, you know, he's mad. I'm being even more mad. I'm showing off in front of, you know, my friend here and you know, he was just like, okay, I'm going to take care of you after we dropped this kid off. And so, you know, I mean, kids houses on the right, you come out, you take a right,

you go down the main road, you take a left and then off the main road, there's this baseball field and it's raining and he's just like, he's had enough. Yeah, I'm just being a fucking dick. And he's just like winter take all, and we go into this, we go, we go into the batting, we go into the batting cage of the field and he's just like, give me your best shot. Like, you know, and I, like you, I think I have a chance.

Yeah. I really thought I had a chance, but at first I was like, okay, how am I going to go out this? So I, like, because of the rain, I picked up some dirt and tried to throw it in his face. And at the same time, kick him in the nuts. Oldest trick in the book. Yeah, oldest trick in the book. Try it.

Yeah. But the thing is they taught us that trick. They taught us the trick. Catches my heel, legs sweeps me, mounts me, and just starts fucking just wailing on me. Yeah. By that time we're late to grandma's dinner. And I'll never forget, he just looked at me and he goes,

you don't fucking say a word. Like nothing happened. And so I walk into my grandmother's house which was just like a wet beaten dog. I just eat my meal as if like like it you know I was just dead It humbled you though, but it did it did I didn't go back to my dad ever again I never I never tried that I never tried that again never tried it again Yeah, you felt the strength that I felt before but I

I felt was important to try it. Yeah, you had you had you got a test of limits Who are you if you don't try it? Hey, he had me down. I was over here trying to get him and shit. I remember he's like, are you done yet? I heard that story. I cried. I was like, oh thank God there was other crazy

fucking people out there. Cause I remember people used to drive by the fucking field and me and my dad were having batting practice and he'd be like, oh man, it'll be just wailing on his kid again. Bad news, Edelman. Today's his birthday actually. He passed, but today's his birthday.

Happy birthday, Pops. Happy birthday, Pops. Happy birthday, RIP, man. Man, he gave me so many, I mean, I remember like, I used to, I used to have to kneel on rice when I got in trouble. And that hurt. Like I have to like sit in the corner and like kneel on rice.

That's a Catholic shit. But like, he just, he brought something out of you that like to this day like is necessary to take on whatever it is we're taking on right now. So like that was just the beginning. Yeah. I mean, I remember we played, I sucked one game and this dude just beat the hell out of me.

I think I filed out and he like went over to my coach and was like, I'll give him a ride home today. Yeah. I was like, no, I'm good. I'll take the bus. Yeah. I'm gonna give him a ride home.. Yeah. I was like, nah, I'm good. I'll take the bus. Yeah. I'm going to give him a ride home. You know what?

And my dad used to coach me. And everyone would be like, oh man, your dad's a coach. I was like, yeah, right. I got to go home with him. Yeah, no pressure. No. What's your favorite memory about your dad though, man? My favorite memory about my dad was how he coached my cousin.

So my cousin, she was one of the best players in Rhode Island. I used to go to all her games and all her practices. And he would make her cry every day. Yeah. Whether it was a game, whether it was a practice, like it was his goal to make her cry. That's my favorite memory. Because she needed it. She needed it. She loved it.

But it was also like to watch him, he wasn't just coaching me that way, he coached everybody that way. And as I got a little bit older, the relationship that Chelsea and him had was kind of like I was seeing what he was doing with me in real time, because she was older than me. And so I've always appreciated how he did that. And I mean, all the time. Yeah.

And then in eighth grade, he coached my eighth grade team at St. Mary's. And let's just say he had a couple of run-ins with faculty on coaching me a little bit too hard. Yeah. Yeah. That sounds about right. Yeah. That was a different generation.

Did he transition into becoming more, when I got to college, he wasn't like that. No, because he became a man. He became, yeah. When I got to college, wasn't like that. No, because he became a man. Yeah, when I got to college he was the opposite. He was just a supporting figure. He was like, ah, you know, he did the exact opposite. It was like I did my time, you know,

and he let me kind of grow into who I was at the time. It's crazy, that's exactly how it was with me. Once you surpassed their, not like their knowledge, but once they like let you out It was like now we're here to support. Yeah, so they weren't like overbearing No doing it for a clear. Yes, it would have I would have not have appreciated if he kept it going in college He wasn't making it about him. Yeah, he's making it about me and he was able to release that Wow. Yeah Love that. Let's go into a segment where we go back into time when the game took place.

We go over pop culture. This game took place October 18th, 2022. Number one movie Halloween ends. Didn't see you see a coach? Nope. Never heard of it. It's that one of the Halloweens. It's when Halloween ends. Yeah, I'm not a big guy. I don't like Halloween. Scary movie. I'm with you, coach. Yeah, my big Halloween. I never liked Halloween until like my I had a little girl and she like, we're already talking about costumes.

Number one song, bad habits. Steve Lacey never heard of that. NBA champions, Denver Nuggets with Joker, Joe, Joe L. Embiid was the MVP. Chiefs win the Super Bowl. Patrick was the MVP. First time that was done. MVP wins the Super Bowl in Patrick was the MVP. First time that was done. MVP wins the Super Bowl in a long time.

I believe Astros win twenty twenty two World Series against Philly. Brock Purdy makes his NFL debut. What's the best Boston movie of all time, coach? I know you love the town, but is that your favorite? It's between the town and the department. I'd I'd say yeah depends on what kind of relief you need do you want what kind of mood you're in I mean I grew up on the part of but the town as I got older and the reason why I kind of resonate a

little bit more with the town and the part it is is the identity and the love factor you know that like you're in this space. Like I feel like kind of, you know, this area and kind of how I grew up of like, and even people in general, not necessarily to an area, but it's like, you're always, you don't like the person you are, but you do when you're trying to be something that you want to be something more, but like you're who you are is bringing you down, so to speak. You know what I mean? And I feel like the town portrays so much more than violence where it shows an identity crisis of like this area made me, but I'm looking for more, you know, and, you know, the great

things about me are from this area, but also the tough things about me are from this area. And how do you evolve as a person and, you know, living in a space of being falling in love with someone, but also robbing banks at the same time is like, there's nothing more of a duality or approach to that. And so it just has a little bit more of a than the part of where like it's an action and it's a great movie. Like this is like, you know, it shows more of like life of like, you know, you're trying

to figure out your identity, but you have these things tugging with you at all times, but you want to be a better person. And by the way, I love you, but I'm also using you because you're getting interrogated by the FBI. What's more, you know? Yeah, it's darker. Yeah, it is. It's realer.

I'm attracted to, you know, like, You know, like, the part is comic. There's some comedy relief with, you know, Jack and how he does things. There's a little funniness to it. Yeah. The other one, talent, and there ain't, that shit feels real.

It's just dark, yeah, I agree with you. And I'm not you saying it as like a saying it and like I'm attracted to the dark side of greatness or the dark side of like the tugs of identity and love and like your shadows. Are you part of the Batman people? I mean, we're led to that trilogy is by far the best trilogy that by far by far. Yeah. I mean, the Dark Knight is. You know what, you know what I loved?

I loved Batman Begins because I was a huge Batman kid when I was a kid. Yeah. And to see the origin of where it all came from, like I was like, oh my God, that's how they got the Batcave? Holy shit. Yeah.

Oh man, that's where he got his fucking moves. He went to China or Japan, wherever he went. Like that was like, and then the Dark Knight was crazy. And then Bane came. And I think the Batman Begins is third. I think it's Dark Knight, Dark Knight Rises, then Batman Begins. Oh, I think I'll go Dark Knight,

Batman Begins, Dark Knight Rises. It got a little long at the last one. Yeah. But the space I love is like villains, you know, like the movies and like these are like the themes that I always think about of like there really isn't much difference between the hero and the villain. Right.

And I think that's the space of why the villain gets so frustrated is like the self-righteousness of the hero thinking he's better than someone else because he's quote unquote trying to do the right thing, you know, and so they're more similar than they than you think. Are you a Star Wars fan? I'm not because I I have that same argument with you know, the dark side and Having the force, you know, I I think When you're uh, what are they called? Sith a sith when you're a sith

All they are people that have the force that make decision through emotion. Yeah when you're a Sith, all they are are people that have the force that make decision through emotion. Yeah. When you're a Jedi, you're making decision emotionalist. So it's more peaceful, but why are we getting mad at a person that's making emotional decision because we all do that? Yeah, I know. The spaces, but the gap between a hero and a villain is much, it's very similar to like

the gap between winning and losing and greatness to, you know, be good to great. Like that gap is so much closer than people think. And it's very small fundamental details that separate you. And that's the space that I like to like dive into a lot. What is the saying, you live long enough for the hero, you die the villain or something? Dark Knight. Dark Knight.

You die a hero or live long enough to be the villain. I mean, that's as much true as you can get. It is. Now who's your villain? Who's the villain? The Joker. You're the Joker. Yeah.

That's who you guy, that's who you. That's like my guy. Like the Heath Ledger version? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I heard the first time, I mean, so I have this, I mean I got this.

So why are you so serious? For him. Wow. Because of like that perfect balance of like, I mean, I got this. So why are you so serious? For him. Wow. Because of like that perfect balance of like, you know, you know, it's a great question. Yeah. Yeah. Now what you, what-

And he goes into like telling the story as to like how he got to that point, you know? But it's like, you know, it's amazing how he, like if you look at the Batman and the Joker, it's like the Joker had no rules, but he really just wanted honesty. But he just went to the wrong depths to try and get that honesty.

Meanwhile, Batman was like, I'm doing this for all the right reasons, when in reality, like was he? And they're not much different. They're not. You need to do a movie podcast. That's what you should do on your spare time. I was going to ask you, what do you do on your spare time?

But probably better at my job first. Okay, that's a coach right there. That's a coach right there. Are we watching anything like when we have any downtime right now? I try to watch. So during the playoffs, I was watching the Bin Laden documentary. I watched that, too. I mean, they should.

So, you know, they have like, you know how they have, what's that thing called? Were you like escape rooms? Yeah. They should have, we should start a business where you have like situation rooms and like you can sign up and go in and like reenact different things. You know, like, Hey, what are you doing tonight? Ah, we're going to grab dinner and then we're going to go reenact the Bin Laden raid.

That'd be a sacred state idea. You know what I mean? Like, like I think the escape room is just the beginning. Yeah. It's like, Hey, what are you doing tonight? We're going to go reenact the bin Laden raid. That'd be a sick free state idea. You know what I mean? Like, like I think the escape room is just the beginning. Yeah. It's like, hey, what are you doing tonight? We're going to simulate. They have those. You go out to like the West Coast, you can go deal with those.

Like they teach you how to like the John Wick guy that teaches you gun. And like I'm talking like down here on like the main road. I'm not saying like you got to go. I'm saying like you can find an escape room anywhere. Like at a billiard spot. Yeah. Like tonight we're going to reenact So for no, maybe Morality, but tonight we're gonna reenact like negotiation tactics like hey, you're gonna get you know after dinner

You're gonna be kidnapped and I gotta I gotta use my negotiation tactics to like get you back Like more strategy. Yeah. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's a fuck That's crazy. I just wants some situational. So like, so I, whatever I watch, I try to tie into like how you can, you know, another great one is, uh, so we should think more about that business. I'm into it. I like that. Boardroom, screen. Yeah.

Someone comes in. You know what my favorite movies is? The game. Was that Michael Douglas? Yeah. Where he hires the people to put himself in that situation. Because he wants excitement. Yeah. Yeah.

Huh? I'm just playing in this night. I like this fun Friday night. I mean, escape rooms are just the beginning. Oh, yeah. That's child's play. Come on. I mean, that's I mean, that's over. I mean, that's boring. Trying to go P.F. Chang's maybe a little waterboarding afterwards.

So Belatant told me a story about, he brought in a guy. Yeah, we used to have Navy Seals. I don't know if we're supposed to talk about this on air. Yeah, we tried it. There was a select few. But didn't we send someone prior? Yeah, we did. Waterboarding?

There's a few of us. Enhanced interrogation techniques? Who did? I don't want to put on name on blast, but we used to have a bunch of Navy Seals that would come in and in and train with us teachers hand combat for line of scrimmage shit Yeah, and a couple bold guys were like hey, man, we want to try this. We want to get waterboarded Wow, yeah, and it's pretty weird. Yeah, did you know I didn't do the one thing watch I'm surprised by that. Well, I was out it was a linebacker group that hung out with them the most

Okay, but I wasn't scared of it. They just they were doing it sounds like you were a little scared of it It's not really I honestly don't see how it would be that weird if you just put a buddy You put a fucking towel over your face. You pour water on Kill me. I'm not scared. Yeah, but do you know that they're not gonna kill you? I mean, I guess you do Yeah, I mean either pros, you know, I mean, yeah, I'm a beta those Yeah, but do you know that they're not gonna kill you? I mean, I guess you do. Yeah I mean, they're pros, you know, I mean, yeah ton of obey those guys have done that millions. Oh my god I know we're allowed to say I opened up a can of worms. I'm sorry. Jesus. I wasn't digging water. Yes All right, I took it to another more like I'm sorry Yeah, they've they've got to try you got to drown yourself

They kidnapped the president's daughter and now you got to like you your wife and your kids like now you're teaching your kids Like, you know now you have like you your wife and your kid. You have. Like now you're teaching your kids, like, you know, now you have like a different level of your kid. So you have a different level of trust of like, hey, like, you know, my oldest, hey, I'm going to go in first. You get my back. You check the corner. Like you work on those things. Like I think those are great, not only team,

but like those are just great, you know, dynamic building things. Honestly, military. Honestly, there'd be a distraction. Okay. I'm going to go this way. You go that way, Lily. All right. Hey, start them young, baby. Start if you like it. I also I'm really.

Because of how deep you are, what's on your pregame playlist? Because are you are you like because I'm an instrumental guy. So you listen to music every game and I don't sit in my own office. I sit in the assistance room. We all hang out together and like, you know know just we kind of meet all the time and so Matt Reynolds your boy a great guy great coach. He takes turns each guy gets to pick their own playlist And so it just rotates throughout the entire season rotating the Ox what's on yours? Well, I hope when we went down It got pretty it got pretty dark. There's a

When we went down, it got pretty dark. There's, we had, you know, Ready to Die, Biggie, Ain't No Sunshine, DMX, Field in the Air, Phil Collins, and DMX's redo of that. Somebody's Gotta Die Tonight, Pearls by Sade. You gotta smooth it out. I like this.

Yeah, it's still a little, you know, Pearls is a little dark though. Yeah. It's in there. Got some worship songs on there just to kind of bring you back so that you don't, you know, you gotta keep the balance a little bit. Every song I listen to, I ask, can I come out to this for a UFC Championship fight? That's a good test. That's to know if it's a good song or not.

I like so I would always go with like Hans Zimmer movie music. OK, like Inceptions fucking, oh, man, you know, like that. Interstellar, like those those play or those soundtracks. Yeah, because I didn't want words. I wanted to think my words. So I like I like that. I like also I wanted to think my words. So I like, I like that. I like also, I wanted to, I wanted to, like, I wanted to walk through my play sheet and I wanted to see the coverage to that music.

Like you watching a movie where you see a scene and the music can bring a fucking scene to a whole nother level if it hits right. Yeah, no, like what are those called? Montages maybe? Yeah, maybe those, yeah. But I like a song where I can match the montage. Yes.

And so like, Nordie by Nature's Hip Hop Array is in the last dance. Yeah, I, what are those called? Montages maybe? Yeah, maybe those, yeah. But I like a song where I can match the montage. Yes. And so like, Noddy By Nature's Hip Hop Array is in the last dance. And so I'll listen to the song and replay that segment of the last dance. Yeah. You know, there's another one of,

there's a KRS-One song that is really cool that's in the last dance. I'll listen to that KRS-One song. So like, I like that. And I might take that. Yeah, I'll send you a couple. Yeah. I's in the last dance. I'll listen to that KRS-1 song. So like, I like that. I might take that. Yeah, I'll send you a couple. Yeah, I'll send you a playlist. The best one is from the Dark Knight Rises

when he's in that cave. That. And they're chanting and he's gotta, you know, he's gotta get out of the cave. If I'm trying to be real crazy, what I'll do is I'll get up on my skateboard. I'll throw on the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack at night and you go fucking cruising.

You feel like you're Batman, I swear to God. You see like a million times. Oh, that's awesome. Is that when you got hit by that guy? I, no. I was long boarded and some dude hit me when I was playing. Well, I fell into him. I look at him, he looked at me and goes, are you all right?

Yeah, man, I'm good. He's throwing the Dark Knight Rises soundtrack. Yeah, or if I'm good. She's the one that dark night rises soundtrack. Yeah. Or if I'm on a dirt bike or something. Um, moonlight sonata is a good one. Yeah. Kind of just takes you and I'll have that's on the playlist. Moonlight sonata, the song from the dark night rises. I forget the name of it. Um, I think it's just dark night rise, Han Zimmer, because it

goes by the scene. Okay. Uh, yeah, you gotta check it out. I like moonlight sonata. That's a good one. I'm gonna, I'm gonna check it out. Yeah. Let's Jackieata. That's a good one. I'm going to check it out. Yeah. Let's Jackie, let's jump into this matchup. We get into these sixers real quick into these sixers,

54 and 28 finished third in the East. This was the final year of the dock rivers era in Philly. This was of course, Joel Embiid's MVP season, notably led the NBA in free throw percentage, 83 and a half and three point percentage, 38.7. Resigned James Harden after trading for him the year before. Macklemore Glung dunk contest winner, two way guy. We all remember that one though. And yeah, finished third in the East.

Coach, how do you describe the Celtics 76ers rivalry? I mean, these are two, some of the oldest cities in this beautiful country that we live in. The bell being cracked over there, John Hancock being buried here. I mean, we could go into the history of the hills. Dr. J choking Larry. What does this rivalry mean?

I learned more about that watching Celtic City, you know, because I think the, you know, watching that dynamic there. Yeah. So I think that runs deeper than maybe I understood, you know, that particular one. Yeah. So I think that runs deeper than maybe I understood, you know, that that particular one. Yeah. Yeah. Now, let's do some dude talk. What makes Joe Embiid so good? So good.

I mean, you know, the thing I appreciate about him that I'm pretty sure he was a soccer goalie. So I think his footwork that is correct. Yeah, his footwork, his hand, eye coordination, him in a goal, His timing and his angles. Studying some of those guys brought me back to building connections on different sports, right? Like Tim Duncan being a swimmer. I think Akim Olajuwon was a goalie. And so what can teach you from one sport

you can transition into making you? And that was one of the only advantages I had when I went to college was I wasn't great. I didn't have a lot of talent, but because of my soccer background, I was conditioned really well. And that's that helped me defensively take on angles and footwork and changing directions. And so always fascinated by his how seeing what a goal he does

and how he translate that. Yokich is like that with water polo. If you watch water polo, you're essentially watching Yokich. That's exactly how that's how he plays. Yeah. He plays water polo play. He he yeah, like he would he you can tell how he palms the ball how he one touch passes it when it's midair how he how he almost embraces people draping on them because like you're you're having to do both of those things and like watching him is like watching a water polo there. So I've never put that together. That's that's the first time I ever heard that.

Yeah. So like when I watch Yokoichi, I see water polo. When I watch him beat, I see how, uh, you know, his soccer background gave him the footwork, the angles, the hand, eye coordination, the timing to be so effective at such a, for such a big guy. Yeah. What about James Harden? Uh, his, watching him plays, like listening to like moonlight Sonata, like never gets sped up plays at his to like Moonlight Sonata. Never get sped up. Play that his own pace. Always. Yeah.

Always smooth. Smooth. Knows how to make a basket when he needs. Knows how to just get to, you know, just do challenges. Those rule books, too. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

Does what he does. You know. All right. Let's jump into the Celtics. Jackie, bring it into the Celtics, Jackie. Break into the Celtics. He's 20, 20, 20 to Celtics, 57 and 25 went into the All-Star break with the best record in the NBA at 42 and 17. Uh, coming off of finals loss the year before to Golden State, uh, added some new key pieces. Malcolm Brogdon, Gallinari, Blake Griffin. Uh, this was the first full season with Derek White after bringing him in the

year before, uh, resigned Luke and Sam, uh, in the off season. And, uh, prior to this year, this will be a little foreshadowing for the game. Lost the legend, Bill Russell in July, uh, which was a huge loss for the Celtics in the basketball world, uh, as a whole. And of course you got the Jays, Jaylen, Jason from the year before. So we're, we're Jalen coming into this year. And we got smart still there.

And we got a new head coach. And we got a new head coach, our main man. What was it like being called to be the 19th coach for the historic Boston Celtics? I mean, that's kind of where my faith came into play. It just felt like it was a true gift from God, really. Like it was like, I don't belong here. You know, you go through a little bit of like, how the hell did I get here? Slash, I don't belong here, but I also I was put here, you know, by God.

And so like that's really the only way to describe it. Can you describe to people or viewers that are from different cities how the Celtics are different than any other NBA franchise? I think it starts with the history. It starts with the tradition. It starts with some of the greatest players to have ever played the game. And then it goes to the city. There's not much difference between how hugs motivated us the year we went to the final four and what it's like to be in Boston.

I think the only way for a team to maximize itself, not just in one year, but in a series of years is like we took on the identity of West Virginia people, the gritty, the hard nose, the blue collar. He was very adamant on playing for something bigger than yourself. It's the same thing here. You're playing for something bigger than yourself. You're not playing for just yourself. You're playing for the guy next to you, but you're playing for the city. You're playing for the competency of the fans and the respect of the fans and the respect of the organization. And that comes with a lot of responsibility.

That comes with... It's not easy, but it's necessary. And it's a compliment that you get that responsibility to be able to do it. But there's nothing better and but it's necessary. And it's a compliment that you get that responsibility to be able to do it. But there's nothing better and it's just different. And I think it's a list of all those things. Yeah. We'll be right back after this quick break. So what happened at Chappaquiddick?

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Listen to This Podcast Will Kill You on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's get into some of these roster guys. On this specific team, 2022, Boston Celtics, who is the team asshole? Like the guy that, not like an asshole, but a team asshole in our world is a good guy that holds people accountable,

may not do it in the most proper way, but works his dick off. That kind of asshole, not like an asshole. Yeah, I mean, let's not use that word, because I don't like... Who's a team enforcer? Yeah, so there's like a few guys. Everybody is in their own way,

right? Like vocal, like Jason does it in one way. Jalen doesn't in another way. Al doesn't in another way for this season. And for his time here, you know, you have to give that to smart, like his ability to do that. And an underlying one who was ended up being one of the best people I ever coached was Blake Griffin. You know, he became an amazing, like just an amazing guy. And his ability to lead in different ways, both in action and in words. And so, you know, they all did it in their own way. But the verbal probably, you know, came from smart came from Blake came from Jalen at times came from Al at times, JT leads by example, like he's, you know, his consistency and, but he also leads a you know behind the trenches the way he

how he you know treats other people and and You know his coach abilities, so they all do it in their own way now. How did Blake do it differently? I Mean it was actually interesting because like I didn't again I was the interim and then we signed Blake and I'm like shit like how am I gonna coach this guy? like he was a former number one pick like it's Blake Griffin and And I'm like shit like how am I gonna coach this guy like he was a former number one pick like it's Blake Griffin and You know his humility like he came in and our relationship changed and it it you know motivated me when he came to me He was like hey How can I get better and for a guy of his stature and where he's been to have the the foresight to be like hey

I want to get better like how can I you know that was huge right and and You know every time he talked and decisions that he made weren't about him They're about you know winning. Yeah now you talk about Jason Tatum and how he treats people That's probably huge Component of why he is who he is What else makes him great? Yeah, I mean I think you live in that space of like Greatness is is viewed as differently. And I think another thing when you play for the Celtics and you have a great team, and

you have multiple guys, you have to take on everybody's greatness and you have to allow space in order for greatness to, to kind of be exemplified in different ways. Right. And you know, like Al does it in a certain way. Jalen does it in Jalen does it in his way and his approach and his fierceness and his warrior mentality. Jason does it in a certain way. Jalen does it in his way and his approach and his fierceness and his warrior mentality. Jason does it in his consistency and his ability to just want to be coached all the time and want to be held accountable,

which they all do that, right? But like, so I think that's how he does it. And Al does it in his, the second guy that I was like, man, like I think the hardest part about coaching is the second guy that I was like, man, I think the hardest part about coaching that first year was when we didn't win. And I was like, man, I let Al down. Beyond all the other guys.

Like when you coach a guy who knows he's got a few years for there was three, four, five left, you take on the, like, as we were talking about earlier, you take on the journey of each of your guys, right? And you take on the good end, the tough stuff. And the hardest thing to do was knowing after that season that we didn't give Al what he deserved. Yeah.

And that was something that we had to carry in to the next season. He's just a consummate professional. When I was there, like that was the vet pro guy. Yeah. Because when I was there. Like that was the vet pro guy. Yeah. Because when I was there, it was, I went there and I hung out with you guys and like 2020, like Jaylen and Jason, they were still babies. Yeah.

You know, Al was the old guy and he wasn't old yet. He's kind of getting old. I mean, but he was the guy that like was the example for how these guys need to be as a professional, how he came into work, how his preparation habits were, how he took care of his body, how he practiced on the court. That's all the stuff that I just saw being a fly on the wall that he that that was his leadership. Yeah, didn't say much. But when he talked, everyone listened. Yeah. And I think everyone does in their own way. Like, I think, you know, Jalen, he does it with his mindset

and his warrior mentality. Jason does it kind of the way Al did it. And you need both of those. And I think from what you're talking about when you were there to now, you've transitioned into each guy does it in their own way, and you need each guy's way to be able to set the tone and like the temperature of it. And it's crazy and basketball because of the smaller rosters, they have such an impact

on your, your, your five guys that your guys, they have an impact on everyone. Yeah. So they all have to come together and do their individual thing and do it in a different way because it influences everyone else. Yeah. And everyone else influences that and it's just kind of like a melting pot of influence. I mean, it's a chain. It is.

I think that's the fun part about building a team and building an atmosphere in an environment is that fun part is how you put all that together. Yeah. But the guys make it easy. And I think your best players make it easy. Jason makes it easy, Jalen makes it easy, and then it and I think, you know, your best players make it easy. You know, Jason makes it easy. Jalen makes it easy. And then it just goes on down the list.

Yeah. Let's jump into the game, Jackie. I was going to say one of my favorite, we're talking building atmospheres here and building cultures. I think one of my favorite moments, and I'm paraphrasing here coach, was when I think Xavier Tillman joined the team and they asked him what you told him when he first walked in and it was, don't be a jerk. I love that.

Did I say that? I don't know. That's what he said. I thought I said it was, don't be a jerk. I love that. Did I say that? I don't know, that's what he said in the interview. I thought I said something like, don't be weird. Don't be weird. Like, don't treat me like a coach. Okay, I like that. You know, in the sense of like- I always think back to that.

You know, we gotta break down the barriers. Like, whatever needs to be said, needs to be said. Like, don't, I think I was trying to say, like, don't, I think everybody does this, but you see this sometimes with, don't, whatever it is your previous relationships with your coaches are don't bring in a preconceived notion of what that's going to be like for us because I want to do it completely different.

You know, not to say that one's better than the other, but let's bring an open mind to how we could build our relationship and how we're going to build a relationship as a team together. You know, that may not be different. It could be fabricated to what the other coach did, if that's the best for the player. Yeah, exactly. So like it was more like just coming with an open mind. They were going to start from scratch. We're going to do this together.

Sorry for botching that quote, but I love that. He's a good guy. I like coaching him. So we get in this game. Let's get into it. All right. So before this game, we we talked, of course, the last time the Celtics had been on the parquet was a loss to the Warriors in the finals. But both teams were expected to contend for the East here, the Sixers and the Celtics. So high hopes. Trust the process, man. Trust the process. This was kind of 15 years. That's what I've seen. Yeah. I mean, marketing employ. Keep going. Sorry for cutting your marketing boy at that Philly. They just get at me. I know. Unfortunately,

they're going to come at me on this right here. You know, on Philly, Philly, Philly. They just get at me. I know. Unfortunately, they're gonna come at me on this right here. Philly, we don't care. Get out of here with your tush push. Come on. But a little bit of turmoil going on in the Celtics organization coming into this one with injuries to Robert Williams to start the season. And Galanari, of course, tore up his knee in the Eurobasket planning in, I think, Georgia. So coming in a little banged up. And then, of course, before this game, a really great tribute to Bill Russell. You tore it up in Worlds?

Yeah, Eurobasket. Now, that brings a point to me. Yes. So the NFL just passed that one player per team could go play on the Olympic flag football team. Really? Yeah. And I don't know if it's going through or what, but is there some kind of edge that you have when your guys go and play for the country because they're not,

you know, they could get hurt? Or is there like we kind of forget that because it's America? I think I think that's always a that's always a point of contention. But I think the good outweighs the bad. I think when you have guys that want to take on the responsibility of their country and play for another something bigger than themselves, I think the only right thing to do is to have them do that.

And you take a lot of pride in that. It'll be interesting in football though, because A, it's a different fucking sport. B, there are only 16 games. 17. But it's not, I mean, it's a different fucking sport. Yeah. B, there are only 16 games. It doesn't really, but it's not, I mean, it's like, it doesn't have the history of what, like, the, you know, no going to play Eurobasket or going to play.

Like, it doesn't have that. No. I mean, it could one day, but it just doesn't yet. Yeah. Yeah. But you have a chance to win. I guess it's cool because, you know, I don't know. Not every sport has a chance to win a gold medal.

This is our first time. So I think I think that that's something that is something that you got to go after. I'm going to get the knees ready, coach. See if I still got a couple in me. Give one of these little Spanish boys all your baby. Give me. You got to see what these Portuguese dudes know about a real shake route. They never seen a return. They never see a return route.

Coach, so this is your first game. Right. Well, how nervous were you? Did you have nerves going into this? How did you handle the team? What was your first game like first pregame speech? Did you have something that you remember from that? I don't. I get anxious before every game. Yeah, like I'm just like, you know, you sit in there.

I get more anxious. Like I can't, you know, so that's never I hope that never goes away. It won't. I hope that stays. I don't remember exactly. I remember it like just don't make this about your first game. Make this about how we can win the game, you know, and that's kind of what I was like. Don't make it about you. It's really not. It's about, you know, we got to we got to win the game. It know, and that's kind of what I was like, don't make it about you. It's really not.

It's about, you know, we got to, you got to win the game. It's the first one. But at the same time, I think you go through of like, you know, let's see what this is all about. You know, I think it was like, okay, what's the difference between being an assistant, being a head coach, what makes Doc so good? What makes the players so good? Like I was, it was, I was excited to see whether I was going to be good at it or not right away

and what I was going to learn from it and how quickly I can make that adjustment. But at the same time, I was like, we've got to win this game. We've got to. And it couldn't be a more movie type game where you're playing against the Philadelphia 76ers against your coaching against Doc Rivers. Yeah. Who won a championship in the city you're coaching for that you were probably a fan of when you were a kid like that had to bring some more anxiety no or did you not worry about them you know that's definitely true like I think

especially my first year I think I'll always be this way the people who I looked up to and studied are the people that I'm in the arena against now like and I think you know every coach you have to be able to have a respect for, but also steal what they're great at and try and do it yourself. And so especially that first year, it was like, as I was going on the sideline, I was like, okay, I remember this about, I remember an article about this coach, you know, I remember a strength or a weakness about this coach. I remember a situation of when this coach did this. And so you take that on and you try to use it and you, and you try to use it for yourself and you try to use it against them at some

point. And so that's never going to go away either. Yeah. Now how was the energy that night in this, the, in the garden? That wasn't, that was insane. Yeah, that was insane. I mean, you can't even simulate that's like, it's like taking a drug. Yeah. I've never done that. I need my doctor to prescribe me Boston Garden game night. Come on. Get me going. Well, I don't need this B 12. What a little game night.

Boston Garden atmosphere, bro, if you could like put that in a pill. That is it's different. So what was your first test as a head coach in this game, coach? You remember a specific timeout, a specific. You don't have to first test game. We were losing. Right. Yes. We really started with a nine to run. C's were up.

Then you got outscored 27, 15 for the rest of the first quarter. Yeah. I'll go. That was a test, right? Of like, you know, again, you, you can plan, uh, as an assistant, you know, what your philosophy is going to be like, what your identity is going to be like, but you don't know what type of job you're going to take over until you're in, until you're in it. And so like, you know, I had to be like. But you don't know what type of job you're going to take over. Until you're in. Until you're in it.

And so like, you know, I had just gotten the interview for the Utah job, which is obviously it was in a different place than what the Celtics were in. And so like, your mind is like, OK, like I'm a young coach sitting on the back bench. I'm probably going to take over a rebuild at some point. Like, you know, and then, you know, a week later, you're taking over a team that has championship expectations.

All those fucking notes you took on, like, you know, that they really just don't expectations of all those fucking notes you took on like, you know, that they really just don't matter. They may matter at some point, but they don't right now. And so you're still you're kind of using more of your instincts than you are using your experiences because you don't have any experiences. And so I just remember like, okay, like, how am I essentially going to handle this this run that we're on or this losing and then it was like, it was a close game. And down the stretch, I remember, you know,

we ran one play three or four times and got three or four different great looks out of that towards the end of the game, which kind of gave us the win there. And so there was a lot to unpack there in the game, you know, managing those runs, managing your timeout communication, managing the end of game about where the ball is going to,

how you're going to execute it, what are the matchups? So all those things, they came right there in game one. Yeah. I remember the plays that we ran. I mean, Grant was a huge part of executing some of those off-ball actions that we got a couple of open threes and a layup on. And it was a fruition of some of the stuff

that we know we needed to get better at throughout the season were our off-ball actions. And, you know, game one kind of tested that. Now, do you remember that and what you just said, those situations in this specific game, because it was your first your first game? Or do you have like a photographic memory where you remember like coaches usually? I don't know. I don't want to give.

I don't want to give myself the credit of saying I have a photographic memory, but I remember. I remember. I can remember a lot a lot of stuff Yeah, I can remember pinpoint situations. Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy coaches. They always yeah, it's all we're watching Yeah You know you end up watching one game three or four times and then it becomes embedded and then you use everything as a reference Point and even more probably if you play that team again, and if you want to get back

So it ends up like yeah, I got a good memory But at the same time I'm constantly retrieving it, watching the same stuff, watching the same stuff. So it's more about the retrieval of over and over again. And then you need this situation to be able to, to fall back on for something else. You know what I mean? Do you guys break down, do you guys have situational basketball

like we do in football? That's one of my favorite things, yeah. I think I said it. And that's one of the things that Bill was so big on. And he was one of the pioneers, which some people could say it was Parcells, which it probably was. But breaking down the game in situations, you guys have like a two minute basketball like playing.

Ours is more end of quarter, start of quarter, end of the quarter, the start of the quarter, end of a half, last two or three minutes. You know, to me, that's where the I mean, similar to that's where the games are one and loss. If you get to the point of where it's a close game, it's a, I mean, the margins, I mean, it sounds redundant and it, but it just that, that, um, it's the end all be all. Yeah. The end all be all are the margins. Um, and they leave this, they, the controlling the margins get, will dictate how much grace you're allowed to have throughout the game

You know and you know if you get into a situation of where it's a one-point game in the fourth quarter It's it's it's it's almost a hundred percent because of there was a margin one or lost At a situation and then the second piece is like how do you manage those runs every team's gonna go on a run? It's can you not have it 27 to 15? Can it be 19 to 15 run or 21 to 15 run? I think those two things get lost in the shuffle of all the stuff that, you know, gets talked about amongst games of why you want to loss.

They get paid too. Yeah. This is national basketball association. Okay. They're fucking good. Yeah. There's going to be some big ass plays. You got to be able to have a short memory boys. Yeah.

Get back into the new situation. Jack, can you walk us through until half time? First quarter was, was defined by that run that we talked about in, in hardened catfowl on three three-pointers, which is in Korea, like just insane. Didn't that step. I know the garden was, was not loving it. We weren't loving it. A freight on free throws.

He had 16 in the first big quarter for JB in the second 14 shot 71% in the second quarter of the Celtics did as a team. No turnovers was a big one in that one. Huge. Uh, Harden finished the first half with four, three. So he and Embiid were heating up doing the pick and roll thing. They're both getting going, uh, tied it up at the half after a big second quarter, uh, that takes us into the half.

So a half time, what's, what half time, what's the locker room like under head coach Joe Mazzullo? It depends, I think from as soon as that horn goes off, even during the first half, you're, I'm constantly saying, okay, what did we do well? What didn't we do well? What hurt us? And you try to anticipate on what's gonna happen

in the second. And then when the horn goes off, it's about a 45 second to a minute walk to the back. You're kind of deciding about like, all right, like what does the team need right now in this moment? And then, you know, what are we going to focus on? And so in that game, you're talking about the, you know, you follow three point shooter three times and you give them nine potential points out of that, that you have to take

that away. And so I think you're just constantly, but it changes, right? Sometimes you're in there and you show film, you know, sometimes you're in there and like, you don't show any film. Sometimes it's like, okay, who does an individual player need something? Or does the team need something? And so you're just constantly diagnosing what needs what at that moment, figuring out like, okay, where do we need to be better that we can control? Where do we need to be better at the things that, you know, we suck that. And then, you know, try to get ready

for the second half there. Now, how long is the half time? It's 15 minutes by the time you get back to the locker room, it's like 1330. And then you got three and a half minutes to look at the halftime edit to see what you want to show. And you try to show the halftime at like 10. So do you have, because like whenever our halftime,

it was, it was clockwork. We would come in for halftime, it was, it was clockwork. We would come in for halftime. It was 13 minutes or 12 minutes. Coaches would have two minutes together while we were undrained, like let our emotions get down. And then we break up into O and D. Offensive coach would have his four keys that we're going into. Defense coach would have his four keys. We'd have two minutes there.

Then we'd have two minutes as a team and then special teams would have one minute or what, like it was broken down. Like, do you guys have a moment where like that or it's different because you guys are so small. Yeah, it's different. So I think you're in the back as far as roster size. No, by the time we get to the team, it's probably four clips offense, four clips defense, or if one side of the ball is just so much more drastically

different impacting the game, you just focus on that. But it's like that in the staff of like, you know, the offense team will give their insight, the defense team will give their insight, the, the, the coach doing the halftime and it kind of puts in, uh, you know, order of what's most important and you're just, you know, so in that three and a half minutes, you're kind of deciding, okay, what's the most important? Is it, is it a, are both important or are we focusing on one? Yeah. Jackie, let's go to the second half.

In the second half, really turn up that defensive intensity on Embiid, almost like Dublin on the catch. Uh, the coverage was awesome. Smart was in there making it hard for him, not getting to his spots. Uh, and then as we talked about a little bit earlier, creating fast break opportunities, five for five, uh, on turnovers in the third. Celtics were off sixers turnovers. I think that's where we changed the matchup and put smart on Embiid. Yeah. And he was able to draw a couple of files. He was able to, to smart was able to take advantage of that matchup defensively, you know, raising some hell and, and creating that, that was a big shift in that game. And then, you know, we ended with, um, I believe we ended with,

it was Jason, Jalen, Al Grant, uh, and Derek, uh, was the end lineup. I believe that's correct. Yes. That put the matchups, you know, um, and beat had to decide who he was going to, um, you know, be matched up with. And that was kind of like our, our, our five outline up because we had five guys that were skilled could pass, catch, shoot him and, uh, change that.

I think that changed the momentum of the game a little bit. It really did. And then JT was getting downhill all third, 17, just in the third alone, like attacking the rim, getting fouled, just really taking over. And then of course, wouldn't be a Celtic Sixers game without a little scuffle, baby. We got Smart and Embiid going at it. I mean, that's why you put the match up there, you know, Smart can take advantage of those moments.

Yep. And then in the fourth really opened up that lead and, uh, came out of this one by one on the fourth though. I know, but. But it's the grace of winning the third. Yes. You know, and so, yeah. And that's the margins. How's the margins we had?

How many of turnovers did we force in the third quarter of six? Uh, five, five. It scored on all of them. Yeah. You force five live ball turnovers and you score on that. That can change the game. And then you look back to the whole game, like, like coach was saying in the margins, one, the fast break scoring advantage, like Coach was saying in the margins,

won the fast break scoring advantage 24 to two, which is massive. But what was the points of turnovers? Oh, points of turnovers. Ours were 22, 22 to 15. Yeah. Yeah. So they weren't necessarily fast break point as much as they were like points off our defense, like, you know, so that's huge. And then end up winning this thing 125, 117. Thirty five apiece from Jalen and JB. That's huge. And then end up winning this thing 125, 117. 35 a piece from Jalen and JB.

That's huge. First thought that comes to your mind after getting your first win in the NBA of your childhood fricking team in the garden. Like what's that first thought? I don't suck. As much as I thought. Happily miserable.

This guy's mother is happily miserable. That was really good. I was like, man, I didn't like, I remember my, I remember. Happily miserable. This guy's mother is happily miserable. That was really good. I was like, man, I didn't like, I remember my, I remember my dad's voice. Like don't fuck this up. I was like, okay, I didn't fuck it up too bad. You know, got a shot at this thing. Yeah. You remembered your dad's voice. Don't fuck it up. Man, that's awesome.

Aftermath. In February, the interim tag was removed. It was awesome. Rightfully so. Celtics ended up winning the season series against Philly. Three to one beat Philly in the second round of the playoffs. Epic seven game series made the playoffs for this ninth consecutive season we did. Upset by Miami in the Eastern Conference finals in seven games. Let's fast forward to 2023 2024.

Raise banner 18 beaten Dallas four to one baby brought that Larry O'Brien trophy back home. I mean, this, some could say this is the start of the new generation Celtics, this specific game. That's how important this specific game could be considered. Tell people what it's like to win a ship in Tidal Town. To me, it is, you feel the responsibility to the city, to the people, but really to the players. And there's so many people in the organization that do so much that people don't know about. And the staff, the lunch ladies,

the people that let you in the facility, the parking lady, the parking people, the people that clean up after you. But also the business side, right? Is this people in the business? We often so I think it's a culmination of gratitude for everybody involved and. And, you know, to the city. But for me it's, it's, uh, you know, my, my priest sent me a text the day of the

parade and me and Luke Cornett talked about this winning the parade is, is very similar to Palm Sunday. It's not Easter. You know, and Palm Sunday is, it puts you, now it gets harder. Palm Sunday is the week before Easter? Yeah. Yeah. And then you got Ash Wednesday?

Yeah. No, no, Ash Wednesday is the beginning. You got Palm Sunday, Good Friday, Holy Thursday, Good Friday. And then Easter. Love it. And so winning is like Palm Sunday because you're waiting for that next Easter. It may or may not come. That, that's the space of like happily miserable, of duality, of there's the people and the players,

and then there's like that space between Palm Sunday and Easter. And all we're doing now is we're in that space of that week of trying to get back to Easter. And you gotta do it, but you may not. You may not, you may not come. It may but you may not. You may not. You may not come. It may stop at Good Friday.

It may not come. It may stop at Good Friday and you fight like hell to make sure you get another one. I mean, when that horn went off, that's the only thing I thought about. How are we going to do this again? What do we have to do? And not in an unhealthy way.

I think, you know, you live in a space of like, I don't know how long I'm going to do this, but for however long that has to be the focus. It's gotta be the relationships with the people, and it's gotta be like, how do we get back to Easter Sunday again? And you just have to constantly think about that every day. You ain't gotta explain yourself to here.

People, you know, people don't understand when you're in the grind of trying to chase your dreams. And once you get your dreams, you recalibrate your dreams. Yeah. Like, you don't have time you recalibrate your dreams. Yeah. Like you don't have time to sit back and say, man, this is cool. You don't. Like you don't get time to enjoy it. People that are successful at certain things, they can say they enjoy it, but if they're having a long, sustained career in something,

it's hard to enjoy it. Like I didn't enjoy my career until I retired. Yeah. Because I was in the heat of it after each year Whether you win your you're more stressed because you have to reinvent yourself Yeah, you lose you're fucking pissed off the whole time from not winning any sort of reinvent yourself and you have to still reinvent yourself How many years would you play 12 12 years is not much and comparatively speaking into your life? No without a doubt and so like it's not unhealthy to live in that space for 10 12 years. not much and comparatively speaking into your life. No, without a doubt. And so like, it's not unhealthy to live in that space for 10, 12 years. It's a balance.

People, family are important, but so is going after greatness. And there's no trajectory as to what it's going to look like, you know, like, you know, that's the perspective that we talked about. Do I think we'll get another one? Absolutely, we have to. But the Spurs won five over the course of 10 years. You know, the 81 team took 82 and 83 and all that pain to come back in 84.

You know, and so it's just this journey that we're on together. And you got about a 10, 15 year window in life to do something, to really go after something. And you gotta do it for however, you know, you gotta do it. You gotta do it. Let really go after something. And you gotta do it for however, you know, you gotta do it. You gotta do it. Let's grade the game.

Coach got me ready to run through a fucking wall. Let's name the game. These are some names we came up with. If you have a suggestion, you can give us a suggestion. Of course. The first one is the sweetest. Joe's first game, the Joe opener. This one's. first game. The Joe opener. This one's.

Joe opener. The Joe opener. This one's for Bill. Cause Bill Russell, RIP. Oh yeah, that one. You're gonna have to finish the rest. Done. This one's for Bill.

This one's for Bill. What did Bill Russell mean to the South East organization? I'll tell you what, like you realize what he means and then you hear about Jalen talk about what he means from a, from a from a off the court perspective and He sets the tone He sets the standard of what it's like to be a celtic I've so enjoyed what listening to to Jalen talk about how he's impacted him and

And you know how he's impacted the game and it's been great to see the relationship that red and Bill have had and but it's also interesting to see from Celtic City like you know this goes back to what we talked about the beginning of like you only remember the good things like it wasn't always easy for him you know it wasn't always easy for teammates like his teammates they they argued they felt a certain way about each other they had good times and bad times there's the picture of Bill sitting in the ice tub reading his critics in the newspaper. Like the criticism was always there.

The episode, there are no final victories. That's the space between Palm Sunday and Easter is like it's never gonna be good enough. And even a guy as good as him, he felt that. And that's never gonna go away. And so he just is a example of so many different things that you can look back on onto as a Celtic, but also as a person.

The greats, they all have one thing. They have the ability to compartmentalize like no other. That's something that like Tom Brady, I notice, you notice from him. Whatever was going on in his life, how he was at work, it was work time. Yeah. That's not always, that space is difficult though, because then you just feel nothing. No, you're you're essentially a serial killer. No, you are. You are. And like you drag your wife and kids into

it. You drag your family into it. We won't get into that. But yes, you just you just drag like, like my wife is dragged into this. She this is her life. But she loves it. And I'm grateful for that. Yeah, she's every great coach has a great wife at you got to set the game with her. She's a fucking maniac. Yeah. Maniac. Oh, I have to off to sit in the game.

Actually pretty awesome to watch. I'm actually it's actually really cool. Is she from out here? She's from West Virginia, West Virginia. Let's go. You brought you brought someone down below that. That that Macy Dicks line up here to the north, all buddy. Let's score the game is just the greatest game of all time? Let's score it.

Seventy sixers versus Celtic season opener. Twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three NBA season. Coach Missoula's first game as head coach of the Boston Celtics stakes zero to ten decimimals okay, coach. I mean, your stakes were pretty high, I would imagine. You can't be an interment and lose your first game. That's kinda, you're fucked.

Yeah, so what are you gonna, zero to 10 decimals? Stakes were high, they were at 10. 10? Yeah. I've never been in that situation. I don't know the coach's life, but I'll give it an eight. I like that. I want, whoa, 3.2, man, what am I? What are you doing, J? I'm rushing, judging us, I'm tri eight. I like that. I won't. Oh, three point two, man. And what am I? What are you doing?

I'm rushing judging us. I'm tripping. Geez, Louise. I had a five point one regular season game. Our perspective, your perspective, obviously, a ten. Yeah. Star power of the game. A lot of greats. That's a ten. Ten. Ten. We are we coach. Are we all right? Ten. I will go look.

Jalen and Tatum, they weren't them yet. They combined for 70 points. I know but we're talking in time and place in the in the era of where it was at. I'm gonna go with an 8.1. I went with an 8.9. Let's go. 7.9. I'm really kicking myself for that stake score I'm sorry nine. Let's go. Seven point nine. All right. I really kick myself for that stakes score. I'm sorry, coach. That's all right. The gameplay of this game back and forth, how it was visually for the viewer could be gameplay for you as a coach, how you had to coach situationally zero to 10 decimals. Okay. I'll go eight and a half. I'm going to go. It was an opener. Gameplay crowd was going cranking. I'm going to go with the eight. Seven, nine, seven, nine. We're in the same ballpark.

So we're all there. Names of 10. The name is a 10. Yeah, coach knew I'm a go at the nine point five. It's it's the great one. We did a we did an autograph signing my rookie year with him. I scored this before we knew what we decided on. I'm going to give this a 10.

Yeah. The greatest winner of all time. The 10 for a 1.8. I want to change it for 18 championships. I'm going to go for, I say, you know, nine. Raleigh won. Actually, you know what? 8.1. They're over a verse. Yeah, I like that.

Now, where does it stack up into the games we've done all time? Was Patrick Wilder goalie in that 2001 Stanley Cup? Yeah, we're doing that one tomorrow. And he was. Yeah. Was he the goalie? Yeah. And then Brendan Moore was the goalie for the Devils? The no, Broder. Yeah, Markhan Broder. Markhan Brewer. Yeah. I remember those two goalies. They were fucking nasty.

Incredible. So you're a hockey guy. Loki Buckethead. I played NHL as a kid, the Detroit Red Wings with my team. They had Chris Osgood and, you know, between the pipes, he was big time. Everyone Chris Chelyos was on that team. Chanahan, Deiserman was on that team. Nicholas Lindstrom was a hell of a defenseman. Darren McCarty. Yeah.

You know, so, but I mean, Martin Brodeur versus Patrick Watt. I mean, you don't get a better game than that. Fighting Night at the Joe is one of our highest recommended games. Tomorrow just so you know, this will be coming out way later. Tomorrow, Stanley Cubs come in here with Ray Bork. We're talking about that game. Yeah. Over the moon. Who else was on that team? It was a forward.

The no, the I'll tell you about the Red Wings. The Red Wings had a forward that was unbelievable. I think he was a Russian guy. Dotsuk. No. Oh, Fedorov. Sergey Fedorov, Sergey Sergey Fedorov. Sergey Fedorov? Sergey Fedorov, yeah. With the white skates? Yeah, he was big time. I see you know your NHL head.

Yeah. I just like sports. But I mean, you always learn the rosters through playing the video game. Yeah, no question. Like, that's how I know FIFA. Or like soccer. Fedorov was sick in this.

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Where did the game match up? Okay, so it was an 8.11. It puts us, it's our new 34th game overall, just behind the 2007 Western Conference playoffs, game five, Mads versus Warriors that we did with Mark Cuban. And then that was the gotta believe game. That's what we did with Rossello, right? No, this was the one with Baron Davis.

We believe Warriors. And then just ahead of the Avery rule game, Devils versus Rangers. There you go. We did with Sean Avery. So 34. That's not bad. It's not good. No, right. It's pretty good And you can come on and you have plenty of games that will score a lot higher Malcolm Butler game I was on a bus for Glenville State College driving back from a game watching it on my phone when he got the interception Remember that one how in our head that was sick when he got the interception.

Remember that one? How in our head? Yes. That was sick. Miracle on ice. That's a great movie. Low for fourth buttons. Okay. I mean, that's a great stop.

The cold war snowball game. That was huge. Snow. Yeah. We did you like, are you a wrestling fan? WWE? Yeah. Yeah.

We, which ones do we have? Becky Lynch. We did. We also do one with Sean Michaels. Yep, the Iron Man match. That match was insane. 60 minutes? You don't have the Rock.

You don't have the Astrodome. What was the WrestleMania at the Astrodome? Was that the Rock versus Stone Cold? Let me see. We haven't had that yet. So there are plenty of matchups that aren't on our list because we haven't done them yet. OK.

So these are all games that we've probably played. These are the games that we've had interviews on. I think the Rock, Stone Cold at the Astrodome. 2001. That was like our age. And then you have the Rock Mankind on the, on the, Ladder Magic.

No, the Steel Cage Man. Steel Cage Man. The Tax, wasn't there Tax? Yeah, the Tax. Yeah. I used to love that shit. I mean, that was like, if you told me it wasn't real,

I would punch you in the face. I got suspended for giving a suck-it sign to my teacher. Yeah, I mean, who didn't? We've all been there. We've all been there. I think X-Pac was one of my favorites. I love X-Pac. X-Pac was great.

And he did it with the rodeo. Yeah, X-Pac was phenomenal. He'd go get his head, because he was small. Yeah. He was fucking awesome. X-Pac was huge. Coach, do we miss anything from this game? Nah, the game was the worst part about today.

Nah, this game is fucking awesome. No, baby. I know. We in Boston are very extremely happy and excited to have you as our head coach. It's a person from the community. Yeah. You know, it's amazing. You you come out and you've had great success early on in your career. And you look to learn to get it to continue it. Like you're constantly learning. That's something that I've always felt when I've talked to you in our conversations, hasn't been many, but you're always on like the hunt to learn.

You're always trying to take something from someone to help your team. And I think, man, it's, it's been a pleasure to get to know you. And I appreciate you coming on here. Yeah. No, thanks for paving the way with the success you've had as a player. And I've said all the time, like the people before us, because they've won, they've made this job what it is. And the best compliment and the gift that you have is coaching in Boston, coaching in

the Celtics, coaching for the responsibility and the ownership of going after championships every year. But also, I think just as important as that is trying to take on the identity of the city and take on the identity of what it means to be a athlete or a person in Boston and what it means to be a competitor for the Celtics. Those two things,

every day I wake up I'm grateful for that, because I don't know how long it's gonna last, but for however long it does, you gotta make sure we try to leave it in a better place. And I think credit to our former ownership of WIC and Pags is they got it and they left it in a better place. And I'm thankful to them for giving me the opportunity. And then now we have, you know, new ownership and Bill and WIC and,

and, you know, they'll look to do the same thing. And it's just the ultimate responsibility. So I'm forever grateful to the city and to people like you who've, you know, paved the way for us. Oh, man. From a fan perspective, coach, paved the way for us. Oh man. From a fan perspective, coach, thank you for everything you do, man. I look up to you. I love you.

You've given me some of my best sports memories of all time. So thank you. I was at game five with Sam and I think a lot of us, our best memories in life revolve around sports and that's right up there at the tippy tippy top. So we got to create more forever grateful for you. Let's create more. Yes, you. Let's create more. Yes, let's create more. Everyone go check them out.

Boston Celtics mindset is going to be on fire this year. Let's go. And thank you, coach. Joe Missoula. Thanks, brother. Man, the white whale guess for me. He's he's got a mindset. I'm excited to watch him continue his coaching career.

Me too. And I feel like I'm a little more invested to the Celtics now because I'm rooting for him. Oh, me too. Like I would run through a wall for Joe. I'd go to battle for Joe. I'd go to the depths of hell for Joe. I'm a Joe guy and that would just put it over the top. Took it to a whole nother level. And there's kind of this weird, we talked about it a little bit, but when you don't win the ship and when the season comes up short and it feels like a failure, like me as a fan, you're going to kind of more like, you're like, it's a weird, you know what I

mean? Yeah. The whole off season is just a bummer. But, but hearing from Joe and his positivity and his mindset and that tenacity, like I'm back baby. He's miserable. He loves it. He loves it. We just sent him like 15 new hoodies.

Yeah, we're going to start to that's a happily miserable. I want to start over that big time. That's Joe. He loves that. He loved it. That's a great joke. Doing a happily miserable segment. Oh, maybe every once in a while, we can talk about the things that makes us happy that were miserable. But let's let's let's let's pump the brakes.

Geez, it's a 360 situation. See, the segment will help us sell merch. The merch will help us. Let's just pump the brakes. Okay. It's time. You know what it's time for. It's time for the Chill Zone brought to you by Coors Light.

Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com slash G W N and celebrate responsibly. It's pretty cool. I open it with one hand like that. Cheers, Bubba. You never done that? My dexterity is not quite that good. I don't know. My two hander.

And that's like. I don't know. That just feels white trash to me. You just be like, ah, no, it feels like that's like your little Texan guy coming out. You just reach over, grab you court. I think that was like how one of like my uncle's friends used to open the beer. He was the man. No, he was complete degenerate. Sounds like my kind of guy. Yeah, we were, I think we were at like my grandma's trailers. Um, let's get into this though. Since this episode was all about the Celtics and there's this, there's this great bond between athletes, especially in Boston, we want to pull

back the curtain a little bit and talk to you, Jules, about what it's like to hang out with other pro athletes from other sports within your sport, uh, around the league, just everywhere in that kind of bond you guys have when you yourself are a pro athlete, how those friendships are made, how they're maintained, just kind of get a sense of how it is. As a fan, you wonder, is that guy really buds with that guy?

And I think it's especially cool in Boston. Yeah, early in my career, I would see Veritek at a lot of charity events, buttholts. I never really saw Puj career, I would see Veritek at a lot of like charity events, buck holts. I never really saw Pajoi. I always wanted to. I mean, I used his batting practice once. Laser show, laser show. Laser show.

So that was like my red socks. And then I used to hang out with, what's his name? Gabe Napoli. Napoli. Mike Napoli. You know, we used to like, in those days, we would see each other at local bars. That's when Daisy Bukins was still around and that was like legendary spot.

That was a legendary spot. And so you would see a lot of guys there. And then we go to, I remember going to like this Chinese restaurant after hours and I would see baby Davis and a lot of the Celtics there. And Davis baby. Maybe you'd go there and I'm not going to say the name of the Celtics there. Lynn Davis, baby. You'd go there and I'm not gonna say the name of the establishment, but all you had to do is ask for cold tea and they give you

a bucket of beer after two. So, that's where I would see a lot of this. So hold on, so you're at the club, you're at a bar or at something, and you see the Celtics guys over there. How does that, does someone go up? Do you guys recognize each other? Is it just a head nod or how does that actually go up? Do you like guys recognize each other? Like, like, is it just like a head nod or like, how does that actually go down?

It depends. Because like, I don't I wasn't I was still young then. I became closer with like I met Jalen Brown a few times. Maybe I'm in hangout. We we we hung out a couple of times. And the old the newer Celtics, the older one, I was still too young in my prime and I didn't live in the city yet. So that was early on my career where I would come into the city. When I moved to the city, that's when I started hanging out more like nap and, you know, a couple of the Celtics.

I would see them. I went and spent time with them at their facility. So I got to know them a little. I hung out with the Bruins when we were young, Sags, Thornton. I would see Milan. We have beer chugging contest at D'Monica's. Anytime Lucha's around, it was just like, we were chugging beers. How'd you meet those guys? You know, it always happened at like either a charity event or at local establishments, you go to Southie, you'd see some of the Bruins out.

And then nowadays it's simply because of social. Yeah, that makes it. I mean, now you could, we both follow each other and something you've, you comment on a story, they comment on one of yours, and that's how you stay in touch. Yeah, that's close. So that's like the cool thing about it.

You know, you can still stay in touch with guys via social without even having to talk to them. But like athlete friendship is also different friendship. Like I could, like I didn't, I haven't seen, you know, example, I go to Cardona's wedding, I haven't seen Ryan Allen in seven years since he left. And you know, we see each other, it's like. I haven't seen Ryan Allen in seven years since he left. And we see each other. It's like we haven't not seen each other for seven years.

Didn't miss a beat. And it's like that because you understand when you're a professional athlete that your life is pretty much predicated around your sports schedule. And the times that you do cross paths with other guys, you enjoy those times, but sometimes you just don't have time to like,

hey man, what are you doing here, there, that, you know? So, you know, and then Celtics games, you go to Celtics games and there'd always be, I used to go to, I think I went to a Celtics game with Brad Mershon once with Dooley. Cool. Heck yeah.

Same as Gronk. Gronk used to go a lot with them. You would see some of the Celtics, or you'd see all the Celtics. You'd see some of the Red Sox. If you're going to, let's say you're going to a Celtics game with whoever, are you interacting with the Celtics after or before?

Because if the Celtics, oh, we know there's a Patriots guy, you can act, or is it like- Nah, it's more of just this. It's a Patriots guy, you can act or is it like- It's more of just this. On the, yeah. It's a head nod, let, I know they're working. Yeah.

You know, I remember when, you know, you have people at the game and you know, like, this is their job, you know, all like, what's up, adapt, maybe, you know, maybe a inner joke with Jalen. I love when JB comes, daps you up, give you the hug, the court side. When you were a football player? Because the field is so far removed from the state. Like,

are you ever noticing guys that are in town or people there? You know what you would see? Because like after teams would win, they would come and we'd had cool, like they would wear like a Patriot jersey or a Boston Celtics jersey or Bruins. Like there's a lot of those types of things where you would go to their games. We dropped pucks. We threw first pitches and they would come to our games to be honored before the game or at halftime or something like that. And it's different.

I was never like a Kiki kind of guy before a game like, hey, Kiki, hey, you know. Yeah. Hey, buddy. Yeah, we weren't doing that. I wasn't, at least I would give a head nod or something, but I had to like mentally put myself in a different place to to go out and perform like I didn't like even McAfee talks about it. Like when I used to like look at the other punters, I was trying to intimidate them. Like I wanted I would go right next to him, like watching.

I would go right next to him, like watching. I loved the pregame psychological battles, or looking at a DB a certain way. I played with some of those, fuck that, not today. You know what I mean? That's how I saw guys do it. That's how I was kind of told to approach it. And that's how I developed it. But getting back to other athletes, I saw guys do it. That's how I was kind of told to approach it. And that's how I developed it.

But getting back to other athletes, you know, it. We were talking with Joe. It's pretty cool to get to play for the city. Like, it's insanely cool to get to play for Boston and have this part of your identity, because it's such a huge pivotal sport identity.

Like this, this could be like, you know, New York's a big market, this, that, but like, this is a huge, crazy, like pro sport town where they've had, they've all got to taste success while all being good. Now is there a bit like a sibling rivalry between the sports in a city like Boston? Like, oh, they won a championship more recently than us, we gotta go out and do it. Like, is there anything of that?

Friendly. Friendly, it was never like, fuck them. Yeah. They won a championship, it was more like, maybe. Motivation. Fucking Bruins just won one, let's go get one. That was our time. Yeah, that was our time.

I saw that damn parade, it looked pretty damn fun. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one.

I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one.

I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. I'm going to go get one. You know what I mean? And then the Celts had 08. So like there is a time where it's a motivation factor that everyone had one except us. As in the Patriots and even the Patriots before our time had one. So individually for that and like era team, it was like,

yeah, I'm sick and tired of hearing about these fucking old Patriots. I'm sick and tired of hearing about we're the only ones without a ship. Like that's the kind of shit how I used it at least. I can't speak for everyone. So taking it outside of Boston, you kind of mentioned it slightly earlier. How does it how do you like meet other players in the league? If you didn't ever like play with them or like be in high school with them or college with them, how do you meet those guys? Early in my career, it'd be like word of mouth type stuff. Teammate of a teammate.

Teammate of a teammate. Now social media. But I remember early in my career, you know, Larry Fitzgerald used to hold this camp in the off season for receivers. It was like one of the first like, you know, there's tight end university. Larry was doing that kind of stuff, you know, 20 years ago, 15 years ago, where, you know, a bunch of receivers would go there, big name guys. And then, you know, I was going into like my second or third year and I,

you know, I heard I got Charlie Fry used to go throw with them. So I asked Charlie if I go, Larry said, no problem, come. And so like we went and had like a training seminar for like a week together where I went and trained, we'd run routes and like, yeah, that was just word of mouth. And that was through a teammate. You know, now it's really easy, you know, just all you gotta do is tap in, you can get to anyone

and say, man, hey, love your game, you know, or something like that. Are there any like off season, like congregation points like, Oh, a lot of guys go to LA to train or a lot of guys go to like, you know, Arizona to train and that's where you go? A lot of them, there's like, usually there's like five hubs early, you know, back in my day, it was like Arizona, like in the off season, guys would chase the sun, want to be able to train and work out in sun or in their hometowns. A lot of guys come from the South, you know, a lot of guys come from South Florida. So South

Florida was a big one. The Tampa, there's like training facilities there. It was like the API is the exos and there's these other ones that were coming. They'd be South Florida. There'd be one in Texas. There'd be guys that go to Texas somewhere, either Austin or Houston or Dallas. There'd be a group of people in Scottsdale. That's where Larry was. So that's where I flew out to to do that receiver camp. And then there is California Group, which is usually like L.A.

You know, there'd be usually guys in L.A. you get a lot of like transplant guys that would come in for, you know, three or four days. You know, when I was training at API that turned into XOS, we would, I would train there for like three months, but there'd always be new guys in and out because they do a commercial in LA, but they still need to get their workouts in. So they come to API, get their workout in through, and we jump into groups and, and, and then we would train. And that was like some of the coolest stuff about the off season is when I

would train and there'd be a group of guys, TJ Ward, and, and, you know, I remember training a lot with him at XOs cause he was an LA guy. Um, you know, that's how me and Amandola met training in LA. So that was before you guys were teammates? Before we were teammates, you know, so we started training together. There was a group of guys. That's pretty cool.

You would go to UCLA and there'd be a group of receivers and coaches out, or not coaches, receivers and quarterbacks. They're like coaches. They would run it and we'd, you not coaches, receivers and quarterbacks. They're like coaches. They would run it and we'd run routes. And that was like a way to A, compete, B, look at how other guys train, C, like steal techniques and look at like movements. Cause like we didn't have Instagram like what it was now

or TikTok on what it is now, or you can see how everyone trains. Like we would all like Instagram like what it was now or TikTok on what it is now, or you could see how everyone trains. Like we would all like congregate to like UCLA, use their practice fields. It'd be a group of guys. I remember Odell would come out. There'd be those group of guys. TJ Hooshmanzada used to come out.

That was Fuzilli, let's go. So like you'd always have these guys, the LA guys, and then there would be transplant guys that were here for training and then everyone would go there and run routes. And that was, I loved that stuff. You know, and then also, you know, I came out here, I came out to, or I went to LA because that's where Tom lived at the time and he trained. And so we would go to his quarterback coach, Tom House. And I developed such a relationship with him that even when Tom was gone, I would

go to Tom House because he always had pro arms. I would throw with Matt Stafford, I would throw with Jared Goff, I would throw a lot with Matt Castle, I threw with Carson Palmer a bunch because he was in LA, but that was a different group. But I would go to where the arms were, the NFL arms, because I wanted to catch live balls. I wanted to catch balls from guys that were throwing an NFL ball. You know, jugs machine's great.

And that's great for like strengthening your hands. But, you know, the ball comes out differently when you're running full speed and it's coming off a live arm. And that that ultimately for me was my best way to prepare. It was running a lot of routes. So I would look for the arms. You can't go get a beer with a jugs gun like you can Matthew Stafford. I was either exactly.

I'll tell you what, that ball didn't hit the turf that day. And how do those sessions work? Are they like or what's the vibe? Are they kind of chummy or do they sometimes they get a little like competitive and a little bit like depends on Depends on who's there. Or does any rivalries exist into those things where like, oh, this guy beat us last playoff, he's going a little harder,

I'm gonna have a little bit extra edge. No, which sessions are we talking? Workout sessions or throwing sessions? Well, explain me the difference first. So, you know, the workout session was literally at a workout facility. So you go to EXOS and you do like your plyometrics, your field work, your explosion work, weight room work, and then you would condition. That was like an

like an hour workout that was like fast tempo, constant competition. That was great because you do like all these, you know, change of direction drills and you were racing guys. So like it brought in, you know, brought up the intensity, you know, you go do that by yourself. Yeah, you can be intense, but you're gonna, your adrenaline raises, at least mine does when there's competition. So, you know, it can fuck up your technique, but you're going to be going hard. No, so, you know, we would play against each other here and there, but like it was different in the off season.

We are all there selfishly to get better. So like you could put it away. There was truths. There was truth. Yeah. But like there was also, I mean, there are times where guys would compete and guys would get up in each other's faces. You know, like that's anytime you have a fucking bunch of high, strong, fucking professional athletes,

these, you know, we were all competitors. So yeah, there'd be shit talking in the weight room, like the weight and the workout shit. Usually our routes, not really. It was kind of like, it was kind of like doing infield, showing off. You know, like when you used to infield baseball and that was your way to kind of swag out

and show people your glove work. Or horses before the Kentucky Derby to trot around. Yeah. So like that was like. Just get the ball over to first. You know, so guys would naturally compete through how they ran their route and the smoothness of how they cut or their explosion in and out of a break or their selling of a double move route. Like that was their way of like competing.

We didn't have many one on ones like I think now I see one on ones. It was there really just for conditioning and and and like route technique. You know, I mean, do you ever learn anything about like another player from those sessions that you brought back into the new England, be like, hey, you know what? Carson Palmer, take a look at this or this is this, or are you just, that's not really the mentality that goes into those.

You talk with guys, but you also like, you wouldn't tell them everything. Yeah. If they were telling you everything, that's on them. Yeah. Honestly. There's ain't no patient client confidentiality. Yeah. If they were telling you everything, that's on them. You know, there's no patient client confidentiality. Amen. You tell me I think it's going to help our team.

So if you're planning. Go. Hey, he said this. We got to do. And I got no Hippocratic oath. Plus, you're at the point like it doesn't matter. Yeah. No, actually, Lauren, in that moment, like, it doesn't matter. Yeah. No, I think that's fair. What are you actually gonna learn in that moment that's actually gonna go to the next one?

You can take little things like on how guys like cut in and out of breaks or how, you know, you know, they would sell something, you know, head, shoulder movements, you know, like, that's the kind of shit you would take. Stacking the ball, tracking the ball, those types of things. Was there ever a session earlier in your career, excluding Tom, that you were in one of those sessions and you're kind of the slapdick and some like hotshot, like big swing and dick guy was there that you're like, oh, my God, like Randy Moss or Jerry Rice is here

or something like that that you got to learn a little bit from earlier in your career. There's one time I think Tio showed up to one of those UCLA things. And you know, yeah, I was a slapdick at that time, but I went 100 miles an hour. Always. I was always I really I would look at them and awe, but you're in a point where you're like, you're still working. Right. That's how I did.

I, you know, I, I so, but you, you'd watch stuff. Teo used to go a lot. Lots of those TJ used to go though. They were like the bigger name guy, like. That the more established guys, they were young guys that were balling that were there, but. Wasn't like watching Teo in person. Just his like freakish, like body size, but speed combined. Just like,

he was a little older. Yeah. But I mean, he looked the part. He still looks apart. I mean, he's a, he's a, he's a, he's a freak. Yeah. He's a freak. He's a freak. He's a specimen. I got two for you here, Jules. Say you're out, paint the picture here. Not in your home city. You're not in Boston, maybe Miami somewhere out for a night out. You look across the bar, you see a dude you battled. You don't know him. Maybe a jet, maybe a rival. You battled with this guy.

You look across the bar, you lock eyes, then a conversation starts and you kind of bury the hatchet and break bread with each other. Has that ever happened? I wouldn't say break bread, but, you know, there's been a better term. Sorry. There's been a few times where you see a guy that, you know, you're not expecting you to run into him out somewhere. Yeah. And you got, I love competing against you. Yeah. Keep it moving. Type type B. Keep moving. Yeah. I feel that. And then you looked at us differently though. Yeah. I was going to say it's beating the shit out of everyone. You know what I mean? Like you go to the, at us differently though. Yeah, I was going to say it's probably... They were beating the shit out of everyone.

You know what I mean? Like you go to the derbies, the other teams there. We always went after like, we want a Super Bowl and stuff. Yeah. People looked at us probably like we were arrogant assholes a little bit. Hey, hate us because they ain't us. I don't know. Yeah. No, I feel that.

And then my other one... But I used to be around a lot of the Bronco guys because I saw, I was with T... You know, I used to train with TJ Ward and Nito, you know, we battled against each other. Oh yeah, I was gonna say, that was a rivalry, man. It was always fun. It was always fun to just talk shit. I feel that.

But like, we, there was a, I always respected guys that worked their ass off in the, like, soft season. So if I didn't like you, but I saw you, you working, I liked you. Yeah. You know what I mean? You can't knock the hustle.

You can't knock hustle. You can't knock guys that are trying to get better. As there ever, we talked a little bit earlier about the beauty of social media with helping guys stay in touch and connecting and dudes you may have never crossed paths with, just being able to hit them up with a click of a button. Have you ever gotten one of those guys giving you,

I like your game type vibe that like really meant something or it made your eyes light up when you got that message. Like it came out of the blue. Not really, but I feel you. You know, like Brandon Marshall, when I first started working with him, it kind of blew my mind how like, I don't know if he was fluffing me,

but he'd be like, Jules, I love your game. Brandon Marshall always used to hype me up the original glazer. I like it He knew how to charm me. Nice. I like that That prototypical like number one Ry receiver kind of yeah. Yeah, that's right. It did it for a long time Dude at 31, I think he had like a hundred and something catches pro bowl legend He's he's a he was a monster people forget about you know, it sucks that He never played in a playoff game because he had such an elite career. He had a legend. He's a monster. People forget about, you know, it sucks that he never played in a playoff game because he had such an elite career. He had a crazy career.

That's insane. And like, he did it with the quarterbacks that were throwing it to him pretty consistently. He's like, wow. Yeah. He's a large man. Oh yeah. B Marsh.

B Marsh is a- Both in size and personality. It is. But I think it's also even more like, with the players and friendships and stuff now, it's to an all time high now. Yeah, it's almost too much. Like you said, it's almost too much. It's too kiki.

It's a little too kiki. I'm with you. I don't like seeing, it's weird to see as a fan. I want you to hate each like. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of, you got to, we have a responsibility, man. Keep it like WWE. You guys could be boys in the off season and stuff,

but at least we gotta act like we hate each other. Yeah, keep up the illusion. You can't have... And people that say you don't hate anything, well, you ain't competing right then. You can't have the Iron Sheik and the Hulk traveling to the event together. Everybody in the world sees them.

The jig is up. It's up. I'm with you. Macho man Randy Savage and fucking Andre the Giant didn't like each other, but... No. They the Andre the Giant didn't like each other. But They also showed that they didn't like each other in the ring either. Amen. I don't know what yeah I just saw that was a great one. Yeah, so great segment. That was awesome. That was insightful audience more Comments voicemails of in-depth things you wanted to find out about the life of a professional athlete

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they can go drink and then go like perform at a high level. It's insane. Well, they're building. A lot of them have been doing like the professional routine when they're teenagers. Yeah. Right. Not being at home on the road all the time. Practice and school and this and always like learning it. And they become pros at being pros early as a great way to put it. They're pros, pro.

And maybe just because my I'm back in Boston and my homerism is coming out. But what other city is a NBA champion and two Superbowl champions who'd sliding out in LA together after years and years? What else? Who else is doing that? Nobody but Boston, baby. Oh, Paul. I see him at work all the time.

I say, Paul, we can't hang out. Paul, we can't hang out. Paul, we can't hang out. Yeah. Last time we hung out, Bill took my captain away. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Still too soon.

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