Games with Names - “Gilbert Arenas’ 60 Point Game” with Gilbert Arenas | Wizards vs. Lakers

Episode Date: January 24, 2023

Today, we’re going deep on one of the greatest scoring performances in NBA history. Sam & Jules take a look at what was going on in December 2006 (5:48). We check out that season in the NBA (20:25) and these respective squads (24:08). We’re joined by Gilbert Arenas to talk scoring in bunches, great Kobe stories, and NBA beefs (42:36). We wrap it all up and score this game (1:36:02).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Black Mamba. Mono E. Mono. This is Gilbert Arenas' 60-Point Game. Hello and welcome to Games with Names, presented by WinBet. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrell, and we're on the search to find the greatest games of all time. And today, we're talking about Gilly Gilbert, Agent Zero Arenas, 60-point game against the Lakers and Kobe Bryant.

And we're going to be joined by Gilbert Arenas in just a bit. We'll check out what was going on in the world in December of 06, and we'll take a look back at both of these teams, then wrap it up by naming the game and scoring the match. This was a, this was a sick game. Yeah. I mean,

two legends. This was in the prime of Gilbert arenas is like, there was like a three, four year period where you could argue he was probably one of the best scorers in the world. Yeah. It was, I mean,

dude, everyone talks about like Kobe versus T-Macmac or kobe versus vince or kobe versus ai but like arenas had a stretch where he was a killer yeah just going back and watching this game he did it in all phases of the game he could come off the screen shoot three he could his mid-range jumper was insane in transition he could get to the line he went to the line 27 times that's when 22 for 27 that's it that's insane isn't it that's insane yeah i mean except for like during the james harden era there was an era where harden would just be at the line you'd breathe on him and he would just like shoot free throws games changed the games change game change games with names games with names that

change and follow games with names on all social media remember to do that uh tiktok twitter instagram youtube facebook are we on facebook is that still a thing we're not all right maybe we can make it a thing but also if you're listening to it on apple podcast spotify wherever you listen we are there comment click subscribe we want to see you we want to hear what you're talking about we want to hear what game you want to hear right yeah absolutely i mean this is one like communal this is one one I'm pumped for. I remember watching this game live and being like, holy shit. Like you knew you were watching an epic game. Yeah.

I mean, anytime Kobe was on, it was like always must see TV. And then you throw in Gilbert Arenas. Like you had to watch this game. Kobe, I was always kind of rooting against because he was so good. And it was almost like Kobe went through that phase where it was like uncool to like kobe because he was just winning so i felt like the posers like kobe yeah and then he kind of lost for a while and drove shack out and he got humbled a little and this is like when he became cool again i feel like yeah it's him pal casal he didn't have shack he was coming into his own he was trying to learn how to win without Shaq. And exactly what you said, when guys are hot,

when you're at the top, it's lonely at the top. Everyone wants to see you fall. Then he hits rock bottom. Shaq goes out and wins some titles. He's still looking for it. And this is when everyone kind of got back on that Kobe train. Yeah, I mean, this was kind of Kobe in like, I think he was like fourth in the league in scoring this year. So this was maybe like the year after he was like, I'm taking every shot. He had that one weird year in the playoffs against the Suns where he just wouldn't take a shot and being like, oh, I shoot too much. Let's see what anyone else can do. And you're like, weird time to flex, Kobe. Weird time to sink your team it's a it's it's something it's a characteristic in those ultra competitors that

are just so petty when someone says something about them that they're gonna do everything they should all right you want to see it without me shooting we're not gonna shoot but tom ever do shit like that uh no he he was pretty good at compartmentalizing you know he he would create stories in his mind with certain things that went on, but you never saw him as a different player when we were preparing for a game or anything like that because that's his master strength. He can always compartmentalize regardless of what's going on in his life, going around the team, his reactions of what's happening with the front office he was always the same guy was this jack was this number eight kobe or number 24 kobe i feel like it was eight let me look one sec because i feel like eight kobe and 24 kobe like when he was number 24 he became more of a leader when he was eight he was kind of like the i'm the swaggy cool guy and the mini fro went away the mini fro you're right mini fro i loved the mini fro mini fro was

always cool it was you know i like when players look like they're in the 70s like when a baseball player is a mustache or an mb player ben wallace ben wallace he just he he played like a 70s player he did that big old fro, he'd dunk on you. What do we got, Jackie? This was 24, Kobe. Oh, okay. 24. He said he wanted a clean slate after Shaq was traded.

Interesting. Yeah, that's the only reason. That's the only reason. Let's go back to December 17, 2006. Number one movie, The Pursuit of with will smith and the debut of his son was jaylen smith jayden jayden jayden smith i i i shed tears every time i i watch this one yeah will smith down his luck trying to get back kind of like will smith today in real life kind of but uh no this was a good movie. It was insane.

And it took place in San Francisco. There was a 49ers scene. So like, you know, I just loved the movie. Inspiring too. Like the homeless just trying to save his son. And then it becomes this like successful, real story too. Underdog story.

And you know, one of those feel good movies when you're feeling like shit. Feels good for like the last 10 minutes. Yeah, the last hour and a half you're like jesus christ give this guy a break he's selling like what the projector things back in the 90s what is it i don't know but uh it was good to see that i loved that movie yeah it was a classic it was a good flick sudan hussein was sentenced to death by hanging in november hanging is so old school very very very old school they should do like an mbc show where we kill dictators with hangman you have to guess letters like little kids have to guess the letters is r is r1 and then he's just like shit shit, it is one. Sorry, Saddam.

You're dead. Nintendo Wii was launched. I loved Nintendo Wii for like three months. And then I was like, it's not that good. Yeah, you got excited because you saw the bowling commercial and the hitting commercial. But if you're a real gamer, you're like, this sucks. Yeah, it wasn't.

Tennis was kind of fun. Tennis. But I like when they were like it's exercise i'm like it was always like a fat piece of shit who was telling you this was exercise they were like it's like real exercise i'm like the boxing doing this but it was it was a good party system it was a good party you know because then everyone who didn't play games could actually come in you guys could drink make a drinking game out of it or something along those lines. It was fun.

I enjoyed it. I had it for like, and then they would, the next one was like GameCube. GameCube preceded this, I believe. And this would, but you're right.

This was good for people that aren't gamers. It was like gamers. It was like the casual system. Cause you could learn, like your mom could come in and pick up bowling. Yeah. It's kind of like the, the V, the V the vhr now or what are the virtual reality goggles that they have oculus oculus like all right yeah those that's fun for like 20 minutes and then yeah it's

it's more fun in theory than execution yeah it's never gonna be you put it on too and you're like people say video games make you anti-social then you're literally putting goggles on and you're in a room alone like you're like this is like the epitome of isolation remember that was gonna be the tick like when when this whole craze of like nfts and everything everyone's gonna just have virtual reality goggles and we're not even gonna leave our house it's gonna be amazing yeah well that's the way we're not even going to leave our house it's going to be amazing yeah well that's the way we're headed with the metaverse that's what they're trying to get us to do i thought the metaverse was done i think it's i think they're just warming up are we warming up jackie remember back when you made the google glass video like oh 2013 google glass video i

remember that 2013 we we went out and did a ad for google Glass, and I was catching punts on an off day with these Google Glasses. It was not. You didn't like it? Eh. I mean, they didn't work. They didn't work out. It's gone. Everybody thought it was going to be the wave, too.

You never know. It could come back, though. It's kind of like TikTok and Vine. Vine didn't make it. Now TikTok's basically vine and it made it you just need some better marketers yeah i mean myspace started the whole thing friendster before that maybe we'll get the ask jeeve goggles or something like that yeah ask jeeve the hot bot remember that hot bot ask jeeves was a fucking how about you know who's

really hurting right now is probably yahoo are they yeah they could have been google yeah could have been google couldn't they have bought them or something there was one of those things they could have bought google early how about aol i feel like florida is keeping aol afloat i feel like there's just a few old people just they still have the disc they're like i'm still i'm still logging on the dial up sound that dial oh my god remember you'd be like on the phone you'd be like, Mom, please. I'm trying to call a friend. She's like, I'm checking my mail.

You couldn't be on the phone. That was crazy. Yeah, 2002, Yahoo turned down a million dollars to buy Google. A million dollars. That's kind of like Blockbuster and Netflix. Yeah. Damn. Well, I mean, Netflix, you're right.

It just copied Blockbuster. And then it became streaming. No, I remember my friend just, you're right. It just copied blockbuster and then it became streaming. No, I remember my friend had Netflix and I thought it was so lame. You had to like go online and you had to order a movie in like three days. You would get a CD and you'd have it for like a month. You only watched the movie once. So what was the big thing about it? Like, I was like, this is dumb. That's what we used to do. I want to go to blockbuster and I want to go like, look at everything. That was at everything. That was almost more of the date than watching the movie is picking the movie. That was Friday night.

Yeah. Anytime in the 90s. It's crazy. Yeah. I was with you. I mean, the fact that the mailman had to deliver your movie. That's crazy. They had the boxes.

Or is that Redbox? Redbox. Didn't Netflix have a box as well? I don't know. Borat was released in Novembermber i like a boat i don't have a bad a boat i don't have the accent everyone was doing that voice that was like let's go brandon when before we were so divided remember it was just like that was like the apolitical let's go brandon it was that and i'm rick james bitch and like every time you're like all right we get it we've seen the fucking thing i'm rick james borat was huge though 72nd heisman trophy award troy smith ohio state quarterback didn't pan out in the league most of those heisman

quarterbacks don't we need to get what heisman quarterback has done well in the NFL? There's a few. Carson Palmer. Didn't win a Super Bowl. Like... Tebow? No. You know, he circumcised a kid. You know that, right? I didn't know that.

He went to the Philippines and was like giving circumcisions out. Damn. I don't know. That is the weirdest sentence ever. I think that's a full true story he went to the philippines and circumcised the kids circum like he was giving out circumcisions it's damn he was fun he was fun in the nfl so he came to he he played with us for a while yeah and there's a guy named nico kudavidis he was like the levansier of the locker room like just uh he was a greek guy but he. He was like the Lavantier of the locker room. Like just, he was a Greek guy,

but he thought he was like Italian. And he always talked like this, New York guy. And the first day we signed Tebow, he just looks over and goes, hey Tebow, you mean to tell me you don't jack off? Like this guy's got this, and he has a stigma, like an aura about him when he walks into somewhere.

He's a popular guy. Everyone knows who Tim Tebow is. People love him. so you can get a little intimidated i was i didn't say anything what did tebow say he just kind of shook it off and laughed like he he's probably gotten those jokes from locker rooms a bunch but uh it's funny they should have kept it going they should have been like whip it out dude let's see it come see it. Come on, Tebow. Prove it. Prove it. Does he not jack off? I think he was just being a smart ass. Nico.

Jack, get on that. Yeah, let me look these up. Let's see. Your Google search is going to be rough. You might have to go to YouPorn for that one. Yeah, Tim Tebow, whacking it. I'll do some digging. He must whack off.

I think that's got to be a detriment at a certain point if you never get a release yeah i think it's a religion thing yeah yeah i don't know so the nba in 2006 the san antonio spurs swept the cleveland cavaliers in the finals lebron's first finals that was uh his baptism Baptism by the big fundamental. Tim Duncan was unreal. And also, he had no help. LeBron was young. Sure, he was a little young to be here,

but who was the second best player? Boobie Gibson? Sasha Pavlich? Big Z. I was in Cleveland when this was happening. There was such an energy in Northeast Ohio with LeBron and his young. He was just a monster everywhere. I don't know.

How old was he? Was this like his third year in the league? Yeah, it's insane he made the final three years in. Yeah, with like no. He really had no help on this team. He didn't even have like Anton Jameson yet. Did he have Mo Williams? He did not have team. He didn't even have like Anton Jameson yet. He had no, did he have Mo Williams? He did not have Mo. He had Scott Pollard.

He had Eric Snow, David Wesley. Wesley? Dwayne Jones, Larry Hughes, Drew Gooden. Exactly. He had no one. Yeah. No disrespect to those guys, but that's insane. Remember when Drew Gooden had the patch in the back of his head?

It was awful. That was awesome. That was not good. You remember that? No. He didn't have any hair except one little patch in the back of his head. That's kind of tight. Rat tail?

It wasn't even a rat tail. He was trying to get it to be a rat tail maybe, though. It was like pre-stage rat tail, but then sometimes if you're growing your hair out, you got to stick through the ugly stage. I know. You got to get the whole hair. It's like when you do a mustache. If you did a mustache now, it'd be fine, but if you just growing your hair out, you got to stick through the ugly stage. I know. You got to get the whole hair. It's like when you do a mustache. If you did a mustache now, it'd be fine.

But if you just grew the mustache. Yeah, we should. Kind of like how Sam holds his all the time. Sam's got a good stache. Yeah. That dirty Sanchez. The Mavs were 65 and 15 this year. The Suns were 61 and 21.

Two killer regular season teams that just didn't have the juice that was steve dash sons huh they were fucking amari stoudemire seven seconds or less i remember the west coast teams a lot more at this point because i was still in the west coast maybe at that time yeah yeah but it's it's isn't it crazy with sports unless you watch sports center 24 7 at that time you were only like limited to who you who you who you had on tv there was no league pass yet i don't think no uh nba tv was just becoming a thing i think but kobe was the scoring leader 31 a game mvp dirk he was killing it rookie of the year brandon roy was he was like one of the ultimate what ifs.

That guy was phenomenal. He just had like no cartilage in his knees, right? It's the worst. I feel bad for him. I know how you feel, buddy. It's almost worse than not being able to jack off. Tebow. That stinks.

Now, he also got shot recently, Brandon Roy. Oof. He just had like bad luck. When it rains, it pours, buddy. When it rains, it pours. DPOY it pours uh dpy marcus canby he was he was a man isaiah thomas took over as the knicks coach i thought that would have been a good match that was terrible i mean that was like one of the worst periods as a knicks fan he just didn't have what it takes to be a good coach he was good i guess with the pacers but he problem was he was

the gm before this so he he signed these horrible contracts and then he had to play them i was like this is your fault you literally can't blame anyone but you when you got all control yeah can't blame anyone so you better be pointing that thumb to yourself buddy adidas became the official outfitter of the league yeah this is before they uh employed anti-semites uh well them and puma yeah oh yeah they were brothers you know that puma and adidas were brothers yeah those were brothers they broke off one beat was took the adidas name and one made puma. Damn. Yeah, gnarly. Remember those space shoes, Adidas, Kobe's first shoe? Oh, those were horrible.

They looked like bricks, right? Well, those are the coolest. That's what all the kids wear nowadays. The Kobes? No, like just brick-looking shoes, like these fat shoes, big old blocky clunkers. Yeah, the Kobe Adidas the original they're on the top left that left one

those are awful what are we doing here it looks like a Volvo they're safe that is true they've support look at that what is that it looks like one of those winter puffers That is true. They've support. Look at that. Like mobile. Who's wearing those? What is that?

It looks like one of those winter puffers. Those jackets, you know? Yeah. Longtime Boston Celtics coach and executive Red Arbok died October 28th. Legend. Straight legend. It's always funny to hear stories about old red anytime he was in the the arena everyone knew because you just smelt a cigar yeah there were no non-smoking laws for red anywhere shout out to him making it to 89 the way he looked and lived he did he was not a healthy man he couldn't

have been he had a cigar in his mouth at all times. One cigar is like 50 cigarettes. Yeah. Isn't that what it is? Something like that? Is it? Yeah. Is it 50 cigarettes? They say like one cigar is like 15 cigarettes.

You're not inhaling, right? Yeah, right. If you're a fucking pro like Red, he's definitely inhaling that bad boy. You think he's inhaling a little bit? One hundy. Yeah, he was, I mean, as a boston legend as you can be i mean put the architect of those teams started as a coach became the front office jb always talks about him inside the nfl he said that's what he told me that story anytime you you're in arena

and you smelled a cigar you knew red was around i think paul Paul Pierce said it when he came on too. And Paul. And Paul. They're saying here one small cigar is the same as one and a half cigarettes. Red wasn't smoking a small one. He wasn't smoking. He knows nothing small about anything on Red. Also, that ratio sounds like it can't be right. Cigars are so much cooler than cigarettes.

Cigarettes, you look like it's like a nervous energy. You know what I mean? Cigars, you much cooler than cigarettes Cigarettes you look like It's like a nervous energy You know what I mean cigars you're just like chilling It depends on how you smoke a cigarette I mean some guys look pretty cool doing it It looks cool but There's something about a cigar that's like swaggier It's more like vacation vibe

Exactly Cigarettes like you said Like alright I gotta get this stress off here Real quick let me just take down one of these Ciggies Cigarettes, like you said, like, all right, I got to get this stress off here real quick. Let me just take down one of these ciggies. Yeah, cigarettes, like, where the fuck is that missing girl? You know, a cigar is just like, I got some stock options for you. I'll help out.

What were you doing in 2006, Jules? You were at Kent State, right? It was my first year at Kent State. Man, I was, like, open to a whole new world going to the midwest i never left california before this other than i went to florida once but uh it was it was crazy to me like you were qb i was qb in it at kent living over in silver meadows getting robbed i got robbed someone came in robbed my my tv my flat screen while you were there no i was at class so it was definitely inside job we used to hold poker tournaments there and so i used to go to these full inside job full inside job xbox and

i had a plasma tv you know which was huge back in the day yeah yeah plasma was big and so one day i go to like this poker tournament like we used to go to these like illegal poker tournaments we're probably in trouble for this but go like 40 miles away from kent in some like podunk ohio town and there's a scratch on my tv that i knew and i i walk into this fucking this cash or this game and i see my fucking tv with the exact same thing like who what so i sat there and i was fuming the whole time i was playing i was like who fucking stole my shit and so i had a queen eight and this was a cash game it wasn't a tournament and i it was like a thousand dollar hand. And that's huge hand for when you're in college. And I fucking like, I rivered like the nuts.

Won the hand. I grabbed all my money. And I said, that's my fucking TV. I picked up the TV and I left. Whoa. I was so fucking rad. Who was someone at the game who jacked you? Someone.

I was like, who the fuck? Where'd you who jacked you? Someone I was like who the fuck Where'd you get this TV? Picked up the TV Picked up my money Gave a spit And I was like Let's go That's badass dude

It was pretty badass But I was like I was so hot and I was ready to fight I was like ready Like I thought someone was gonna come Were you the biggest dude there? No I'm a 5'10 bro

I know but you're fucking yoked Yeah I was a quarterback at the time yeah you were still probably a jack quarterback no i was a little jazz pretty jacked i mean but nothing crazy but i've got julian i've got julian edelman shredded on my google search do you yeah because i was trying to show my trainer i was like look how jacked he is but now if you look at my google search you'll be like why is he looking up jack pictures of julian but it's to show my trainer i'm you look at my Google search, you'll be like, why is he looking up Jack pictures of Julian? But it's to show my trainer. I'm like, look at that.

Well, my Google search, it says Sam Morrell funny. Nothing came up. No, I was looking for jokes. Struck out. I was looking for jokes for this podcast. Can't be showing up. This guy throws out a funny joke every time. I have nothing to come back with.

You're killing it, man. That's a great story. With a giggle. I always think of that Soprano scene. Remember whenie jr and those dudes try to rob the poker game yeah that's one of the best scenes it was like that yeah but i got away dude dude i remember my blood was pumping so hard i was like oh yeah just got a hand got my tv back fuck yeah i love that that's fucking badass. Let's talk about this matchup. Oh, we got Jack.

I got the 2006 stats. 124 passing rating. 242 passing attempts seems kind of high. I would have thought less. We were throwing that thing, baby. We were West Coast. Spread them, shred them. Get open wide, shallow.

10 TDs. 10? How many picks? 11. Damn, those are how many rushing td phil sims regular season numbers right there i used to rush though i was a runner too now probably had a let me look into those real quick yeah we'll have to get that let's talk about this matchup lakers 42 and 40 finished seventh in the west kobe was leading the nba and scoring with 36 point or 31.6 points per game that was the year they drafted jordan farmar jew in the first round oh yeah dude jewish representation in the nba there's not a lot of us not a mar amari that's true he's a he's on the all jew team amari is our star amari and Dolph Shays from the 1950s are our guys.

These were post-Shack Lakers, not the greatest Lakers of all time. Yeah, this is a rough team. This is Jordan Bynum, Chris Mim, Kwame Brown, Luke Walton, another Arizona guy we've talked about before. Lamar Odom they just got. That was the Shaq trade. That was pre. was him pre who didn't he take it was pre-kim kardashian just saw lamar odom on a flight yeah how's he doing it was chloe yeah yeah see shout out thanks

yummy thanks thanks y'all um i i He came in like almost a little late. Did he say hi? No, he was, no, absolutely not. Why? I don't know. Yeah, but there's gotta be like an athlete bar. Yeah, I'm not gonna bug him. But he's, I don't know why he wasn't,

he didn't sit in first class. He sat in an exit row, maybe because he's so long. Yeah. That he needed the leg space, but it was still a little i mean because if you think they were like the pod things maybe it wasn't enough leg space i don't know but i don't know dude i think if you if you can get that pod you're taking the pod yeah maybe it was a last last second flighty that happens that does happen like benefit the doubt i hope he's still got some money. I was a big Lamar Odom fan.

New York guy, legend, 6'11", futuristic player. Like truly one of my favorite dudes to watch. Incredible talent. And he goes in that category of if he played in now's era, he would have been great? I think he'd be a great modern day player. See, I mean, you say that about a lot of guys back in the day. Sheed, I think, would have been another great modern day player see i mean you say that about a lot of guys back in the day she'd i think would have been another great modern day player lamar odom was 6 11 and he had ball handling ability and could kind of just do everything yeah he was and he had no ego i mean on the court came off the

bench for the lakers he was a fucking all-star level player i don't even think he ever made an all-star team but he was on team usa but he was like fucking six man for the lakers when they were making that run and you're like that's incredible that's humbling but he had but he wanted to win and he he was he was great i mean he was a great player for the lakers yeah no all-stars but uh nba six man in 2011 no maybe one of the best players ever to never make an all-star team without question and he just beat aaron car celebrity boxing. I think, I thought he lost. No, he beat the crap out of him. He just lost to someone before that though, didn't he?

Yeah, let me look up his boxing record. He beat Aaron, man, if he lost to Aaron Carter, that would have been rough. Aaron Carter? What was he, like a Backstreet Boy or something? Oh, his brother's a Backstreet Boy? Man, if he lost to the brother of a Backstreet Boy, that's like losing to Joey Fatone's nephew or something.

That's bullshit. That's... Yeah, no, thank God. He's 6'11". He's got reach. of a backstreet boy that would that's like losing to joey fatone's nephew or something that's bullshit that's yeah no thank god he's 6 11 he's got reach he lost to someone though recently oh wait he's 2 and 0 he's 2 and 0 no oh good that was frank gore frank gore lost to darren williams yeah i didn't i would not have bet on darren williams no but he handled him a little and i'm a frank gore frank Frank Gore's my guy. I love Frank. Is Frank Gore a Hall of Famer? Yeah.

I mean, just longevity alone, right? I mean, he was a beast for so long. He's got like some of the, he's top five in Russian or something. And he's played forever. He was awesome for a long. Longevity. Darren Williams, though, had fucking hands. Did you see that shit?

Length. That length had him. I would have bet my life on Gore. Me too. Because Gore's like, he was known to be a boxing guy. He was always in the ring, or always training in the off season, boxing. Darren Williams looked like he could fight.

Darren Williams had like a run in the NBA where he was just phenomenal. But he did kind of, he came to Brooklyn and it didn't really work out here in Brooklyn. With that Paul Pierce, Kevin Garnett, Darren Williams, Joe Johnson squad. It usually doesn't work out in New York. But the Knicks at least. Knicks are having, they're gonna have a year this year, dude.

I don't know when this episode comes out. That's a bold prediction, but Knicks are fucking, I'm wearing the Knicks shoes, I'm wearing the Knicks hat. Let's fucking go, dude. That's a cool Knicksicks hat it was like a fire department fire department hat they gotta make a new york giant a new york giants one for dayball because he always wears the new york fire department i fucking love dayball six and one he's fucking awesome he really is he looks like out of season chris kringle doesn't he? He looks like, you know, like, you know, Santa before he puts on, he's got a little Santa belly, but he doesn't. He's got a little Tony Soprano vibe to him too.

He does. He's got a little Soprano swag. I guess you kind of have to in Jersey. The Meadowlands. He's from upstate New York. He's from Buffalo or Western Buffalo. Buffalo's got definite mafia vibes. Have you been, I mean, the Italian,

the Italian defamation league is going to come after me for this one. No, the Italian food in Buffalo is some of the best you'll ever eat. I mean, really next level. And the wings. Yeah, that's true. Rudy's Blue, they think they invented them. I don't know if it's true. We'll tell you they invented them.

Rudy's Blue Cheese, Shout out to Buffalo. Rudy's Blue Cheese. Gronk always used to bring it. Really? Yeah, you're like, Jules, you got to try this blue cheese. It's my favorite. And his mom used to make a buffalo chicken dip all the time. That's a huge Buffalo thing, I feel.

Gronk is from Buffalo? Born and raised. I didn't know that. I can't believe I didn't know that. It all makes sense. That does make sense. It all makes sense. Sorry, Jack it all makes sense well i'm sorry jack were you gonna say something dayball actually born in canada canada grew up in upstate new york though yeah it's the same shit it's right in ontario yeah but that's right on that line you're

right there i mean there's this interesting uh the wizards were 41 and 41 yeah they were swept by the calves in the first round coach Coached by Eddie Jordan. This was a weird era. Arenas were third in scoring that year. I mean, people forget how good he was. They had Anton Jamison, who was like, honestly, I know I say this a lot, another guy who would almost be better in today's NBA

because he was a stretch four. It was almost before the time of the stretch four. Did he have the headband? He played sometimes with a headband. North Carolina guy. Fun fact about Anton Jamison, I believe they traded him and Vince Carter on draft night. I could be wrong there, but they were both Tar Heels.

And I think, was that right? Let me see here. The Warriors traded North Carolina's Vince Carter, the number five pick to the Raptors for Tar Heel teammate Antoine Jamison, the number four pick. That's fucking weird. You traded for your Tar Heel teammate. I mean, that's how stacked that North Carolina team was.

They had Karam Butler on this team. I loved watching Karam Butler. He was like a tough, gritty player. Could score, but he was like your defensive stopper guy. He was a killer. Deshaun Stevenson, NBA champ with the Mavs. This was like, he was a good player here. This was before he took like that next step, I think.

They were always a sexy team, the Wizards, these few years. They always like were competitive. Always had like a crazy night like Gilbert had tonight. They were a sexy team. They were like a fun video game team because of Gilbert and because of Karan. Exactly. They were a sexy team. They were like a fun video game team because of Gilbert and because of Caron. Exactly. They were a fun team for sure.

Great offensive team, but they didn't play D. Other than Butler and maybe a little bit was Brendan Haywood on this team. He was a good shot blocker, but. Let's get into the game. Gil got out to a hot start with 12 in the first. Seemed like he was hitting everything. It was so fun to watch him.

I mean, that step back was beautiful. Like, I was trying to think of modern players that play like him. I couldn't even think of one. No, because all modern players do is just shoot threes. But he had that nice mid-range game. Mid-range. He was just hitting mid-range all game. And also, he had that weird little, like, kind of step back off the glass he had that like smooth game this era was a cool era

isn't it it always it's crazy to me how well nba players know the backboard i love it you know what i mean that's the only shot i have consistently in the park is i will hit bank shots because i grew up watching tim duncan and they're oh, you fucking boring ass white guy. It's literally how I score. Banks are always closed for me. Glasses, they're for a reason. Banks are always closed for me. Yeah, you don't do the bank shot?

No, no. It's a smart shot. Yeah, it is. I'm just not good at it. Do you know who had a great bank shot? Dwayne Wade. No one talks about that shit, but he was like automatic off the glass. He made he made it look cooler like tim duncan everyone was

like like man whatever tim by the way one of the coolest players ever gets doesn't get his due as like a cool player but to me i think winning's fucking cool i do too winning's fun yeah gil had 43 in the second half that's fucking insane. Kobe still had 45 in this game. It was fun watching them go back and forth. Yeah. I got some questions about that. I guess they used to talk shit through Walton. Through Walton?

Yeah, they had like a messenger. They wouldn't talk straight to each other. Walton would come up to arenas and say, yeah, Kobe says you're too pussy to guard them. And then, you know, Gilbert would be like, well,

you tell him, I'm not going to let him post me up. Cause he's great in the post and like go down. Like it was like a fucking full on. Well, cause they went to Arizona together, right? Yeah.

Arenas and Walton. And then Walton is Kobe's teammate. This Laker team kind of sucked. This was a pretty, like, this was pretty much like this was, if these games were nationally televised, it's for Kobe.

Yeah, they were. Yeah, 42 and 40. But there was a stretch where the Lakers were like not even a playoff team. Remember like right after Shack left? This is when they became like Kobe was so good.

Kind of like right now. Lakers suck right now, dude. It's hard to watch. You know what? They should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Heald. Because at what? They should have traded Westbrook for Miles Turner and Buddy Heald. Because at least then they'd have some depth in shooting. Their

shooting's a fucking... They had that trade on the table? I think they probably would have to give up picks, but I think you gotta do that. Why do you have LeBron if you're not gonna try to win? Do you see Nurkic so disrespectful, didn't even step out on AD the other night? You just let him jack it up. AD, yeah. i don't know

what they're doing man i the team doesn't work they're trying to blame everything on westbrook hey man i feel bad for westbrook me too it ain't right i feel bad and he's pressing so much i mean they're giving him wide open mid-range shots and he's got to hit him though i mean you really do like you're an nba player you got to hit that fucking mid-range shot yeah but he is like he is getting all of the blame and it's like dude this i love how they blame frank vogel they just fired him i'm like clearly it's not the guy who won you a championship's fault i hate it i hate when they blame a coach when it's like the front office is doing jack shit crazy thing about this game washington was up 17 points in the fourth quarter. And then the Mamba came out,

brought them back, forced overtime. Gilbert had the chance to win it on that last shot. Didn't hit it. Brings it back. Gives them extra time to get a little more extra points. He would have finished 60. He would have finished with 44 if they didn't have overtime.

You got, it's like you're bummed when you miss that shot but then you're like oh wait a second i get to stat pad a little bit stat pat love it gill 16 in overtime helps the wizards get the w uh vladimir redmonovic redmonovic remember him he finished with 27 he was on that lakers team he was on that team you know he's a really fun team that seattle sonics team he was the power forward on when they had like uh richard lewis and ray allen and luke ridden hour and shit that was a that was a fun team everyone could shoot can we bring seattle team back get seattle a fucking team these people deserve they're great. Northwestern fans, they love them.

And that's basketball towns. Washington State? Huge basketball town. Holy shit. They got like Gonzaga in Washington State. They got all those good basketball schools. Yeah. What do you got, Jackie? Instead, they get the damn Kraken.

No NBA team, but the Kraken in the NHL. That's right, the Kraken. What is that, a fucking Halloween candy? Get that shit out of here. What is it called? What's next, the fucking Nevada Mr. Gold Bar? The Kraken? The Seattle Kraken, that's their NHL expansion.

What is a Kraken? A Kraken. Sea beast something. A sea beast? Jesus Christ. That's not a... I'm trying to find something good to say about that we just looked at um lame the uniform it's whatever speaking of lame the wizards you see their uniform this game the gold

and black horrible it looked like an international team from like the Saudi league the Saudi alternates yeah these were these were rough jerseys let's go to the gaming corner presented by win bet what's the prop bet gonna be i think we see how much beef we can get arenas to talk shit because he is a notorious shit talker that's kind of what i love about him he's almost from that he's almost cut from that gary payton trash talking cloth i say we can we get over 2.5 beefs like we know he hates kwame brown can we bring up the kwame brown beef can we get him to go off on that who else in the same he's probably probably had that edge remember because they were draft he was drafted number one kwame went number one that year and arenas went 31 arenas is the second round pick

jack told us before tony parker was i believe 28th in that draft he was yeah let me double there were a lot of busts in this draft though there were some guys that like tyson chandler went early in this draft and he kind of sucked for the first four or five years and then he became a great defensive guy a winner but like he had a long stretch eddie curry went early bulls got both and this was like a weird draft. Yeah, Jimmy Parker, 28th. 28. One of the all-time steals. And also they got, I don't know what year they got Ginobili,

but he was like 50-something. The Spurs. That was when international players were still just like soft international players. They didn't know. They didn't know. We didn't know. Now it's like Luka, Jok like luca yokich all these like international the international players caught up oh dude it's they're they're there it's becoming scary for the

u.s because they do the in all-star weekend they do world versus u.s and now the world is getting sneaky which by the way is not fair the world it is we're taking on the world what is this fucking avengers movie we should we're america this fucking thing was made in naysmith we still i still think we win i still think we but like dude they've got joel and bead yannis luca yokich technically they got carl anthony towns i think he's like from the bahamas or something uso we got, we got like Jimmy Butler, LeBron, Durant. Tatum. Tatum. Who else?

Steph. Steph. Clay. Clay. I mean, everyone else. We're good. We're still good. Marcus Smart.

Julius Randall, New York represent. Who else? I would just name that Celtics starting five probably for you. That's true. DeRozan is still a killer. AD. AD. If he's healthy.

LeBron. Did we say LeBron? LeBron. Yeah, no doubt. Kyrie. Kyrie. If he wants to play. It feels like it. James Harden.

Seems like the American guys psychologically just, they're good. They're the best, like you know i mean what are we doing guys ben simmons international that's right that helped that helps us yeah what about uh who else we where'd he born australia yeah bradley beal we got killers we got enough uh gilgus alexander you know kawaii pg that's kawaii mellow he's been injured but when he's i know but he hasn't been injured as of late right yeah he just started playing he's incredible i mean he's one of the one of the best the hall of fame it'll be good to see if the clippers can go on a run they're the ultimate what if team right because they got john wall who's like a question mark who could be great

this year they got pg who's always heard kawaii who's always heard they got the depth zubat canard canard's a sniper dude he's all right they got my guy marcus morris give the knicks one of the best half seasons of my life. Great tough guy. Love Mook. Tough guy. Tough guy ticket. So just to lock it in here, two and a half, we thinking two and a half, over under? Yeah, two and a half.

We're gonna get him to talk about three beefs. I think the Kobe beef is like, gotta be in there. Cause I think there's love, but there's definitely beef. And then the Kwame is a straight up beef and I bet we can milk out. Like give us some other. Who else did you hate?. And I bet we can milk out. It's like a beef and cheddar. Who else did you hate? We'll say,

we can even preface the question, like who else did you hate? And he's not a guy who I think has to think about it. This question is brought to you by Arby's. Who's your biggest beef? Where's the beef? We do deserve an Arby's plug after that. Give us some free Arby's.

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but uh excited to have you man three-time all-star uh agent zero loved watching you during this era this was such a fun time all nba second team two-time all nba third team most improved player in 2003 i remember i think i picked you in fantasy that you you're on the warriors that was i believe i picked you early and i got some shit and i was like watch and and you delivered you had a big year and uh holds the wizard's record for for points in a game. I think you passed Earl the Pearl in this game. Yeah. No small feat.

Black Jesus, that guy ruled. Ex-Nick, that's our guy here. Cover player for NBA Live 2008. And, yeah, thanks for joining us, man. Oh, shit. I forgot I did all that in such a short time. What are you doing these days? What's post-retirement looking like?

You know, just like you guys, podcasting, you know, trying to be one of those athletes that gets to show the human side of them. You know, when you're an athlete, you have to play by the media rules a little bit with answering questions. So you become, you know, robotic, you know, now that I'm podcasting, you just get to lay it all out there.

This was an awesome, I mean, we're doing the game where you dropped 60 on Kobe, which is, I remember watching live. I remember rooting i i wasn't a wizards fan but i rooted for you to i kind of couldn't root for kobe i feel like all the he was like it was like almost fair weather to root for kobe he was so beloved at the time so i was like i looked at kobe the way i looked at like rick flair and and wrestling well i was like i appreciated him and i and i was so happy he was a part of the league but i couldn't pull for him

you know so i would root for guys like you or t-mac when i was watching you know and uh i loved watching you go off in this game this was this was epic how real was this rivalry between you and kobe it was it actually started my rookie i mean the connection started in high school. He didn't know it. But he got drafted, you know, by the Lakers. So he's the high school kid, right? He goes to Venice Beach, breaks his hand. And me and my friends, we were like, oh, man, we missed him. Let's go back. Let's go the following week to see if he's going to show up.

Not realizing he broke his hand, he would not be there. Okay, we're high school kids, you know. So I go there, we're playing outside. I break my hand. I break my right hand. I'm like, oh, shit, I'm just like Kobe. Right, so I grew my fro out and all that. So I was a big Kobe fan.

And I remember when I got drafted to Golden State, 31, my friend calls me and he was like yo guess who i just ran into and i was like oh kobe right and he was like no serious how did you know that i was like get the fuck out of here you didn't run into no kobe it's like yeah i'm at disneyland uh and i just i just ran into kobe and i said something to him you said something to kobe i said what'd you say? I was like, my boy Gilbert Arenas is gonna kick your ass when he sees you.

And he was like, Gilbert Arenas from the Warriors? He was like, yeah, that's my boy. He's gonna tear you up. He was like, yeah, if he ever gets off the bench. And I was like, why would you ever say he knew who I was? Like, he said my name? He was like, why would you ever say he knew who I was?

Like he said my name. He was like, yeah, he said your name. He said you was on a bench. And I was like, wow, he knows me. Like I didn't care about the disc or nothing. Just he knows me. Kobe Bryant knows me. But that kind of put like the fire in me to like really start working out and really start training.

Like if Kobe knows me, man, that means everything. So like whenever I played against the Lakers, it was just this automatic like great game. It was like I'm automatically on fire. So I remember even my, my first best game in preseason, my best game of preseason against the Lakers in Bakersfield. Um, my best game as a rookie against the Lakers, my best game. Well, my, not my best game in my second year, but you know, one of my better games was against the Lakers, the last game of the season. you know leading up to uh the 60 pointer i was probably averaging about 29 to 32 on the lakers already for my career so um it was just it just seemed like just a normal

game you know kobe's gonna try his um his mental battle with me which which he did. Started off the game saying, all right, I've got Gilbert. I'm going to shut him down. Smith-Parker, you go to Deshaun Stevenson. So I was like, all right. Hey, Colb got to me. One-four flat. Forget the first couple plays, right? Just to let him know it's about to be one of those games.

So, you know, I start off on fire. We're going back and forth. And everything was just clicking. I didn't even know I had about to be one of those games so you know i start off on fire we're going back and forth um and it was just everything was just clicking i didn't even know i had 60 to be honest until until the announcer said it now i thought you guys i i thought like so you guys were talking to me i thought that luke walton was the messenger for you guys to talk shit to each other and how did this come along i know you guys played together and you know what was going on with this arizona boys and now he's a laker with kobe so he was a messenger yeah so luke luke walton was he was the go-between he was always the go-between um every game which kind of got me hyped that that that kind of got me hyped when ludolph uh little uh luke walton

always said uh yeah uh kobe going to tell, he's going to stop you. I was like, he's not going to stop me. If he sticks me, I'm going one-fourth flat. And then what added to the fuel was Karan coming to the team. Well, he also, and Karan played with the Lakers, and then he goes to play with you. And I read something somewhere where he said he preferred playing with you because he didn't have to think about shooting the basketball.

Yeah, you know, he'd just tell stories about, you know, Kobe was always open. He was always open. There was no triple team, double team. He was always open. So every time he got the ball, he always did. And so when you get the ball, you're already looking because you hear the sound you know he'll make sounds like he's open for you to swing the ball to him so you he said you never felt comfortable when you got the ball because kobe was already screaming for it so

so this game is fun too because uh kwame brown same draft as you, he's picked first overall. You're picked 31st, right? Mm-hmm. You guys are playing against each other. He's on the Lakers in this game with Kobe. Yep. Did you guys already hate each other? No.

Really? No, no, I didn't. Like, it was one of those things. He got traded to the other team. You know, we moved on. It was like, I didn't know we had a problem until, was it, 2021? I did not know we had a problem until 2021. Where did that come from?

So I guess back in 2004, we're in the playoffs. He... 2004, we're in the playoffs. I don't want to say it's jealousy, but it clearly is. You know, he was the number one pick in Washington. Michael Jordan comes back, you know, takes a little bit of his shine. Also took a lot of pressure off of him. When Jordan leaves, here i come you know i come i come in um now you know off that 65 million dollar contract i'm the highest paid player in the draft now in our draft so i'm one notch above the number one pick now um you know i won the first award in the draft.

We had a decent first year together. I was hurt. The offense was different for everyone. Our second year together, he didn't start the season with us. He was hurt. Broke his foot in the summer right before training camp.

Antoine Jamerson gets traded to us during that summer. So me and Antoine are back together. Me, Antoine, and Larry back together, who were my veterans in Golden State. So we're moving. So by the time Kwame comes back, he's not part of the rotation. He's not really, you know, he don't have the offense down. He's out of shape.

He's trying to figure this out. But in the meantime, the crowd don't care about none of that. So they're booing him. You know, at home, they're just booing him. So he didn't really feel comfortable playing at home. You know, towards the end of the season, you know, we're trying to figure out what our lineup's going to be. He never actually started.

He never got his starting position back. Jared Jeffries basically sealed that. So going into the playoffs, we start off playing in Chicago. We dropped 0-2. I go to the paper and said, please do not boo Kwame Brown. We need all of our boos to be towards the visitors, towards Chicago. That might as well be lighter fluid. Might as well be lighter fluid.

But keep going. I know, but they booed us. I love it. I love it. I love it. We all love that. They booed us out of this. You know, they booed us out of the arena.

We didn't need this negativity. You know? We didn't need it so coach decided that um he was going to play etan first which which was the backup the backup backup center um etan etan is playing well you know basically his best game of his career uh was that game three at home we won kwame only played three minutes and then that's where it kind of like ruffled is while we're doing media, everyone's celebrating.

You know, you got Sugarfoot over there fucking complaining like a little girl. Talking about, yeah, they're not passing me the ball. And, you know, it caught me off guard. Like, passing the ball? Did he even play? I didn't even play with him. What are you talking he wasn't even in game with me today like i didn't i

didn't have i didn't have to pass on the ball and then he said another comment i was like listen every time we pass him the ball he don't do shit with it all right you know he don't do shit with it and then he he says something else and i said you know what We're better without him. We're just better without that dude over there. And that was our little riff. Big riff. Yeah, he goes home. He gets drunk. Doesn't show up to practice the next day.

He basically quit. He quit on us. He basically tried to put an ultimatum. If Gilbert's playing, I'm not going to play. I'm the all-star. I made the all-star this year. The fuck are you talking about? He's agent zero. He can't play with agent zero.

What's wrong with him? That was just ridiculous. That was just a ridiculous statement. And they're like, all right. So he basically quit. And then he pulled one of those, you know, I was, you know, I was afraid to go to practice because if I went to practice, you know, I was going to slap somebody. Who's going to slap me? Who's going to slap me? Who's going to slap me? But if he did try to come slap me, I would probably ran. Let's be honest.

Like, you know, he's big,'s big. He's a really big guy. So I wasn't going to stand there and be slapped. But he said it, and I tried to address it, tried to pull the buff, tough guy. And then he apologized. I got him to apologize. I got him to apologize. And he said, no, it was the media.

The media, they misconstrued you know my words I didn't say I was gonna slap you and then um you know from there to be honest that game three was the last time we I seen him you know because he didn't come back for the rest of the playoffs um and then we traded him in the summer for Karan and uh Chuckie Atkins see I grew up a Warriors fan and i i remember you were there it was you and jay rich right yeah me jay so my first year me jay rich troy now how come they got you out of there was there beef between you and jay rich no no no jay rich was jay rich is my brother um what happened because i was kicking myself in the head. You become agent zero. I'm like, why the fuck is he on the warriors?

What the fuck is this? Yeah. So back then, um, no second rounder played past the mid-level reception. So the most they can pay me was 49 million. So they couldn't, they couldn't actually afford me anymore. Okay. So because they couldn't afford me and I didn't want to do one of those uh joe smith's deals under those one under the table deals so um i i ended up you know they just couldn't they just couldn't match they just couldn't match

what washington and other teams was offering so you know departure but you know because of that they changed the rule and made a gilbert arenas rule where if your second round player gets offered more than you can afford then you're allowed to match him without going over the luxury tax gilbert do you mind just uh pushing your camera a little back uh just adjust it a little bit no no no oh sorry hold on that's all Yeah. So, yeah, that's a crazy rule. I mean, it is crazy to think of you as a second-round pick. I mean, you have got to be one of the all-time steals. You think of guys who got picked.

Who is in the second round? You, Ginobili, Draymond. And Jokic. Jokic is a big one, yeah. Yeah, you have Jokic. Euros. Yeah, he's the best. It's always hard with the Euros to get a real evaluation of who they're playing out there you know well jokic is like he still looks

fat and he's the best player in the nb i mean he's the mvp twice you know the i to be honest the nba draft and the nfl draft i just think it's horseshit because you can't evaluate someone's mental. You can't evaluate pure talent. Instinct. You know, like, you know, me running a

4-1-40 doesn't mean I can catch the fucking ball. It doesn't mean I have quick feet laterally. Like, it just doesn't. And same thing with basketball. If I'm a top five pick and I never get to go against the other four that's in front of me or other guards to really see what my motor is when I have competition facing me, then you can get lost. Some players that has that it can get lost in the draft.

And they also can't measure that little thing that's in you it's called the dog they can't measure that goddamn fucking dog yes you're right and that's and that's why they that's why you know so many great players slip through the draft because they they don't have it down to a science. And this dog was on display this night. First quarter, you start out pretty hot. You have 12 points, six for nine from the field, three assists. Kobe's only got two. From that point on, are you already feeling like you're about to have some heat? Are you feeling good, or are you still in that focused mindset?

You know, usually, you know, as a score, you you know i try to break it down in period so i don't really get too fond on how i'm doing in the first period it's just you know i just you know one lay up one three a free throw you know that's usually my my my goal so i'm not stressing about scoring or not scoring so you know it's like okay first quarter you know average quarter you know and that's that nine points is average quarter like that's an average quarter you know not a second quarter is his own quarter so I mean going against a guy like Kobe who are the other guys in the league at this point that you're like I want to get up for this game I want to show up okay it's not it's not that you want to get up you're gonna have

to get up yeah you got you got iverson yeah um yeah you got got ai you have steve nash um jason kidd i mean just the way he played defense so you you really had to be focused. The whole San Antonio Spurs defense, you know, got you mentally prepared. You know, the young Chris Paul and Darren Williams. People forget about Darren Williams. He was a big point guard. Big point guard. For the most part, that was really it

in my position. Most of those, those really hard to guard guys were shooting guards. And, you know, I had a different

defensive player in Deshaun Stevenson that, that tired himself out on that. You scored. I scored. That was my job.

I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun, great defender. I mean, I mean my job. I got paid to score. Yeah, Deshaun, great defender. I mean, you also play with Larry Hughes. You play with some really great defensive players. Yeah, you know, I play with great guys that really buckle down on defense. So you're going into halftime. The Wizards are up.

You're playing some good ball. what do you think going into half time in a game like this you know usually uh can't sleep on kobe probably you're like we got 10 points we can't sleep on them yeah yeah with with kobe it's usually you have to worry about the second half in that fourth quarter because you know those last five minutes is just all kobe so you know coming into halftime you're always mentally just with any great superstar that if they're not having the first first great half be paired be prepared for a dominant second half um so you want to have some type of cushion you know um you know going into the fourth quarter last five minutes um so going into the fourth quarter last five minutes.

So going into the halftime, it's one of those good half boys. We still got to come out there and execute defensively and offensively, knowing that those last five minutes, the Mamba is going to be trying to will his team to this victory so you come out of half and exactly what you think's gonna happen kobe starts picking it up he gets 16 points you you tally up 12 you're still balling at this point i mean i was watching this game because we were rewatching you were hitting everything from i remember that remember that sidestep yeah three he had like you were hitting it from every angle did you know you had to just keep on going like i'm gonna have to hit everything tonight because this joker's about to get hot

no i mean you know are you just playing the game? Just playing the game at this point because, you know, at this point we're all playing well as a unit. Karan is hitting shots. Antoine is hitting shots. Brennan Haywood is doing his thing. So, you know, as a whole unit, we're all playing pretty well. So, you know, it was still just a normal, it was, you know, an above average night.

You got to remember, I'm averaging 20, what is this? 29. I'm averaging 29. So, you know, it's, you know, 29 is still an average night. That's your average. So, you know, it's still, you know, average, a little bit above average going into that fourth quarter. Yeah.

And then Kobe kind of shortens the lead. Is he talking shit while he's doing this to you? Is he sending you messages through Luke Walton? Is anything coming your way from him? No. So he did. He did try to beat me. And the bait was. So you're just a one-sided player, huh?

So won't you guard me like I'm guarding you? So you can put me in the post? Why would I want to just sit in the post the whole fucking game? I'm not a post offender, because that's what he wanted to do. He wanted to beat me up in the post so he can tire me on the post so I don't have no offense. So I said, no, no, thank you. Right?

And then I did get on him one time, and obviously he scored. And I was like, Deshaun, that's your duty, bro. I'm going to tire him out on this part, you know, on this side of the court. So that was the only thing he really said. So Kobe trying to bait you in and you have a shot were you pissed you had that shot to hit that buzzer or you are you thinking i'm getting more i'm gonna get that stat i'm gonna pad them stats even more now oh no you know um you had that

buzzer i thought you were gonna hit it too i thought you were hitting it i did too like yeah this is it game winner like game winner in la because i had about 200 tickets yeah you're hitting it. I did too. Like, yeah, this is it. Game winner. Like, game winner in L.A. Because I had about 200 tickets. Yeah, you're from there. Yeah, so I had all my high school basketball, JV, varsity, you know, B's and C's. You know, my high school coach, Howard Levine, brought me the whole, you know, basically the whole basketball program, you know, to the game. So I was like, I'm about to do this. This is it.

And on the pull-up, it just didn't feel right. I don't know if I, like I hesitated on just a natural jump shot, thinking he was going to jump, but I was moving backwards and just, you know just the angle was off you know so um you know i blew it it's almost kind of cool it was a great it was a great miss yeah yeah you miss it you're only going to give the 200 people you got tickets for a better show yeah but listen when you when you but listen, when you're on the road and you have a chance to win that game,

you want to just win it right there. For sure. But, I mean, you got your 200 people that you brought. You got Jack Nicholson courtside. Is it kind of fun to drop 60 and you're like, American icon right there? This is pretty cool. No, I mean, after the game once i realized i

had 60 you know scoring 60 was the movie stars at that point did not matter i scored 60 points on kobe bryant that's that's all that registered inside inside the brain at that moment did you ever ever talk to anyone in the crowd harry you ever Talk to anyone in the crowd You ever fuck with anyone In the crowd I remember some dude got on my Haircut in Philadelphia once and I had to Like fuck this guy My haircut is sick as fuck

No no no I used to I used to taunt The crowd that was my thing I used to like I used to say Oh he crowd. That was my thing. I used to say, oh, he's going to get it because of you. He's going to get it because you pay to see him. He's about to get all of these points. I'm not passing it no more. I'll do that to the fans.

You got to have that villain mentality. Are these your least favorite jer sorry gilbert were these your least favorite jerseys to wear because this was a tough era for jerseys some of these the gold and black not my favorites what you like that was heat you like those man that was heat you guys already have no gold or black in the uniform. I know, but it had the stars. It had the stars on it. It just made me feel like I'm a star.

Every time I wore that jersey. I don't know. It just made me feel good. Every time I wore that jersey, someone got their ass busted. You did not want to see me in the gold. So we talked about kwame were there any other players that you were like i just don't like this dude like teammates no i mean anything teammates opponents anyone we were like i don't i don't like this guy i want to mess this dude up on the the court. On the court, yeah. No, nothing. I never had any personal problems with any players on the court.

I never took it personal. No matter how dirty they were, it kind of actually made me play. Who was the dirtiest? Believe it or not, John Stockton. Oh, I believe it. He's like a QAnon guy. What are you talking about? Of course I believe it. Yeah's like a QAnon guy. What are you talking about? Of course I believe it. Yeah, like, oh, man.

Dirty little motherfucker. He was so dirty. Yeah. Yeah, like my first two years, I'm like, yo, this dude is just a dirty player, bro. He's just dirty. Like, he'll pull you, elbow you, knee you. Like, he'd do all of that. He did all of that.

The short shorts were just a disguise to get your mind off of how dirty he was. Yeah, I was like, oh, my God. I'm glad I didn't play in the 80s. This is not basketball right here. Who else was dirty? Who else was a dirty player? Usually it was more bigs, like Reggie Evans, players like that. Guards weren't – listen, most players that just were just not very good skilled players were usually the dirty players.

Like Bruce Bowen was considered a dirty player. Try hard, guys. It didn't work on me it didn't that his his he weighed up what 205 you know um like him rajah bill like the stuff they were doing with kobe they didn't really i didn't i didn't really get get that treatment well you finished the game i mean you were clearly on our tests our test yeah run our metal world peace he was he was at the comedy show this weekend and i was like i was like oh shit run our tests in the crowd but he came to the late show so i was hammered so i i flubbed the opener and i was like fuck i'm bombing for on our test i turned it around but i was like man bummer so you go out and you outscore Kobe, 60 points, or 16 in overtime.

He only has four. Legendary game. You find out you have 60. There's some talk that was there. Did you guys have a phone call after this? Did he call you or something, or am I just getting terrible info? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So what ends up happening is, so when we go in the locker room,

you know, I'm all excited, right? You know, I scored 60 points on Kobe. In LA. And then coach says, yeah, and we won a game. Yeah, he's like, and we won the game. I was like, man, fuck that game. I just scored 60 points on Kobe. Do you really think I care about the game winning the game? No, I just scored points on Kobe. Do you really think I care about the game winning the game?

No, I just scored 60 on Kobe. So everybody's laughing and stuff. And we're getting on the bus. And some of what he said came out like, oh, he had no conscience. He doesn't have a conscience. So I changed my name to I don't have a conscience. And then Karan gets on the phone and um we're just jaw going back and forth oh we're just going back and forth and i and uh

i remember brennan haywood say tell him you the mongoose you tell that man i'm the black mongoose so because i guess i guess that's the rival the the the mongoose and uh the mamba no one knows this but a mongoose will fuck a mamba up dude they also have good bikes have you watched youtube a video youtube a video of a mongoose versus the snake the mongoose wins dude yeah but what's so funny it's like that is like the equal like so it's like a 50 50 battle between the two so when i i yelled it out he's like all right we'll see i'll be i'll be there when i come there have that same energy have that same energy when i come there but yeah i will would you have rather i will would you rather have dropped 80 with an l against the lakers and Kobe? Maybe. 80.

80. Yeah. I mean, it's Kobe Bryant. I mean, I probably, you know, that's like scoring four touchdowns, five touchdowns on like Revis. Yeah. It really is.

You know, bragging rights forever. I'll take the 80 points. Listen, I'll take the 80 points and the loss because I know that 80 points is going to irritate him the rest of his life. Was this your favorite game of your career? No. Which one was?

My favorite game was two games later. It was in Phoenix when I dropped 54. Yeah, you were hot. I remember you got on a hot streak. Yeah. So with that, it was more a personal thing because if you watch the Redeem team, you'll see a glimpse of me in it. I was number 10 and, um, I felt that because this was a Nike event, um, I thought

they were kind of like bias against Adidas players. Um, so, you know, I wasn't fairly judged in my mind because, you know, I was part of the second unit and I was the best player in the second unit. Like I did everything of the second unit and i was the best player in the second unit like i did everything for the second unit like the only reason we competed with the with the first unit was because of me like if we won games against the first unit it was because of me like they just kirk heinrich and bruce bowen him just gave me the ball and let me just hammer that unit it was basically like a one-man wrecking show against a starting unit.

Who else was in that lineup? Who were the bigs? And on my team, I had Antoine Jamerson. I had Brad Miller. I had Shane Battier. I might have had Bosh with me, but I don't think I had Bosh. I think Bosh was on that side.

Joe Johns was on that side. Chris Paul was on that side. Damn. Yeah, you see where someone like me is in heaven? So, yeah, they told me that I'm on a bubble of making a team because I pulled my groin, um, you know, slight pull. So I was nervous. Um, and I was like, you know, I don't, and this, I was, I was being polite. I was being a real teammate. I was like, you know, um, I think I pulled my groin and I don't want to hold up a

position for someone else to make this. That's how cocky I was a position for someone else to make this that's how cocky i was though for someone else to make this team because i don't know how long i'm gonna be out or this is gonna be lingering and and uh colangelo was like oh don't worry you're in a bubble anyway damn uh uh okay all right oh okay i'm out of here that was the shortest flight i've ever had the rage of what he said like i'm on i'm on a bubble you got shane batty on that team bruce bowens on that team and i'm on i'm on a bubble i'm the only two-time All-NBA player on that team and I'm on a bubble. That's all I was just running through my head the whole time. And I remember I went to Dave McMannaman and he was my ghost writer at the time for my blog. And I remember I went to him And right before, was it Greece? No.

Was it Greece that he lost to in 2006? No. Ginobili-Nim. Was it Ginobili-Nim? Argentina. So right before they lost. Yeah, Argentina. So right before the game, so I did an article.

It was just a straight Tupac moment. You know, if I can go back to college, I would score like 60 on Coach K. You know, when we play the Blazers, when we play the Suns, I'm scoring 50 against them. And I also said in the article, you can ask Zabe, I said, the way Coach K is running his lineup, they're not winning gold. Right? They're not winning gold, right? They're not winning gold.

Because he had all the shooters on the bench and had all the drivers and slashers that, you know, in the starting lineup, which made the court congested for them. And then right before the game, right before he was going to, like, air it, I said, you know what, just take that part out. I don't want to be that guy. I don't want to be that guy that everyone just hates because I said that. So he took it out. And then I remember in the morning, I woke up. He said, yo, they lost. I was like, ooh.

I was like, I hope this never gets out that I said that. So when we went to Phoenix, 50 is on my mind. The whole team, y'all are not getting the ball, okay? Don't even ask for the ball. Don't look for the ball. If you're open and I missed you, it was on purpose, okay? 50 is in my brain tonight. So everyone knew I was tuned in.

We're in layup line. We're in layup line. We're in layup line. And I got my mad face on, like, yeah. And then Tony says, hey, Arenas, you're going to need more than 50 to beat us. So at this point, they're on an 18-game winning streak. So they're on an 18-game winning streak, and they're the number one team in the NBA at the point. So when he said that, I was like, don't worry, I will. I'm gonna score more than 50 then.

Went out there and had 54 and one. I was like, you know, like. That was a cool Suns team too. I mean, that was the fast ppaced Nash, Amari, Sean Marion. I mean, that was a tough team. Yeah, that team was, I mean, you know, the runoff 18 games, you know, just lets you know how, like, mentally focused that team was, how together they were.

That's just really hard to do in the NBA. You know, 10 games is, 10 games. Fucking five games is hard, let alone, you know, 18 games. It just means you're, you're really dialed in as a unit and you're learning how to win games. You don't supposed to win like, you know, like the fourth game in five nights, you know, you know, scheduled losses, like games like that, you're supposed to lose. And the fact that, you know, a team like that was running off 18 game winning streaks was just amazing. How'd life change for old Silly Gilly after he hit 60 and then 54?

Did life change? Did you have an uptick? What was going on? You were getting video game coverage. I mean, what's going on? I was a rock star, baby. Like, I was like a rock. You couldn't tell me nothing.

I even put in a rule with the team. It wasn't a hard rule, but it was a rule. If you don't make $5 million, do not talk to me directly. I am a superstar now. Well, Gilbert, this interview is over. make five million dollars do not talk to me directly i am a superstar now well gilbert this interview is over it was like talk to someone who makes five million if they make five million then they can relate a message yeah you gotta have like one yeah yeah so it was it was one of those where you know at that time we were just all just we were just all as a unit just having fun. Like, we felt like real.

Like, there's some teams you're on and you're an NBA team, but you don't feel like an NBA team. We felt like we were an NBA team. Like, we were going places. There's people standing outside and, you know, waiting for you. You know, it's like we made it. We're to the point where i'm famous enough to have people wait at two in the morning you guys had a problem to stay focused i mean you have

this celebrity now and you is a team going out and partying too much because you because you can you know there's just certain cities you're going to party in no matter what. Miami, you know, some guys go to Houston, Atlanta, LA, New York, Boston, you know, you're going to find your hot spots to party and just let some air, you know, let your hair down, especially if you have like a day off or something. But you have your party boy, you have your party boys, you have your dinner guys, and then you have your, you know, sit in the room movie guys. You know, you have a little bit of it.

You got your strip club guys, you know, so you got your team doing what it does at a very high level. What guy were you? Day before the game, I was a sit in the room, order, you know, room service and watch movies. Sometimes you had to diversify what kind of guy you were you know sometimes you were a strip club guy maybe right not not the day before the game like so um it was i think i i learned a habit from magic johnson he said it he was like yeah i

don't uh i don't have sex the night before the game like i thought that was a real thing so i'm oh that's what magic johnson does that's what i'm gonna do you know what i mean so you you have these little things that you put in your brain that you heard from superstars right and you you know you try to implement them in your life so during the season i was like you know what this is the season this is when I need to be focused. So I'm only going to go out two times this year. So whoever's birthday is popping, I'm going to that one. The rest of y'all can just basically fuck off. By the way, the first guest to use Magic Johnson as sex advice

as a reference on this podcast. No one's done that ever. Also, I mean, if he didn't do it before a game, he must have put like two or three up on off days or something because he was a machine come on you heard that right you heard him say that before i've never heard that i do remember in the in the show legs week but that's all i heard in the showtime book i remember he loaned his car to a teammate and the car lit on fire and blew up and he didn't even care about the car, but he was mad that a girl's number

was in the glove compartment. That's how much ass magic got in the 80s. I mean, that was before the apps. You couldn't just, you had to have a number. Little black book. But you know how like the AC Green stories, he didn't have sex until he got, like those are the things that when you're a kid,

you listen to and you're like, this is what makes these guys great. Yeah. We got to ask you, because we had Shane Badier on this podcast, actually, and we talked about the Duke-Arizona game. Straight trash. Straight trash, bro. Yeah, what's your relation like with Shane? You know.

You were hurt, though, that game, right? You were hurt. I was hurt. I just hate all Duke players. Like, it's just one of those things that you just... If they came from Duke, you just naturally just hate them. And he was on a team that defeated us. He was a great leader.

You know, he willed that team with his leadership um you know that and the refs helped but you know um he was a great he was a great leader for that that duke team now that beat us did coach k come try to mentor you guys after you guys lost to them because he was known to like go into losing teams like locker room and say hey guys i just want to say you guys had a great game great game plan versus us and you all are extraordinary young men no i don't think he was coming into the the luke walton i mean the ludolson locker room you know making that type of speech yeah so uh rich. So Richard Jefferson said that you're the best player ever to come out of Arizona.

Do you think he's right? No, that's no cap. That's facts. Yeah. No cap. No cap. And I only played two years. And, you know, I was the best player that ever played for that team.

Because you got to remember, I played with four all-McDonald players and I led the team in scoring. That's a really good team. If I didn't have three of them, I would have led the nation in scoring every year. Now, Gilly, did you take a pay cut for the first couple of years when you left Arizona? Oh.

Well, they can't do nothing to me now it felt like it felt like it it really felt like it um because it's not like we were getting paid from the school or i didn't get any money from the school just boosters yeah not even boot not boosters. It's the everyday people. Like, you know, if I'm going to Sonics, you know, the managers, like, meal on us, you play for Arizona. You're Gilbert Arenas. Like, I'm going to the mall, it's on us. Don't worry about it. Or here's a big discount.

You know, so it was just the city itself of Tucson, you know, just looking out for, you know, the players and making sure that you know we know you guys can't get jobs or get paid so we're gonna as a community we're gonna help you guys out so i didn't really pay for anything it's insane you guys didn't get paid when you're making the school money like that the florida football guys that i played with for a long time they they were always complaining about the pay cuts so never happened at kent state i went to a shitty school do you do you think this game is richard jefferson's fault because i've heard you say that before yes 100 like like no listen he doesn't think so because he had his best game of the tournament right it was his best game of

the tournament I really I'm really um like disappointed with how they draft and how did he make the lottery or right after the lottery when he averaged 10 points all three years of college exactly 10 like he didn't move up. Like, he didn't get better. So how did this guy become a lottery pick? So because he had his best game of his career, but the guy he was guarding also had the best game of his tournament life, Dunleavy.

Dunleavy was having a horrible tournament. And he goes off. Like, Dunleavy literally having a horrible tournament and he goes off like Dunleavy literally beat us that game three straight threes right yeah felt like ten we gotta get back to the 60 point game you know our podcast's name

is games with names what do we name this game what should we name this game? What should we name it? Hmm. The speed limit. I hit the speed limit on them. Speed limit. I mean, the speed limit on a freeway is 60, right?

65 some places, 70 in others. but a lot of places 60 i do believe yeah okay so there you go right there you can never hit 60 in la though the cars never move and that's why it's called the speed limit so much goddamn traffic out there. You ain't going 60 unless you're agent zero. Yeah. See, it's hard to do. That's why only two people has done it. Me and Wilt Chamberlain. Wilt the stilt. Did we miss anything about this game or about just this time in the NBA?

You know, I mean, it's just one of those times where when you look at today's game and you're saying it's a faster game, when we had an era where you have a guy who averaged 35, a guy who averaged 33, 31, and I'm fourth in scoring at 29.

This is almost, this is what, 15 years ago. And we're in a faster-paced game today. It lets you know, I mean, it lets you know, like, something's not really adding up. A lot of three balls.. A lot of three balls. Just a lot of three balls. Those add up. Yeah.

That's all. Who do you like watching now? Now? I like a little bit of everybody. You know, I don't really have favorite, you know, so I like, you know, Ja, I like Luka, Joker, Tatum, Brown, you know, of course, Kyrie, KD, LeBron, Curry, Love Booker over there, Trae Young, Dame Litter, basically all the superstars, you know. Game respects game. Just, you know, Ben Simmons. You know, I just, I like the way he plays the game. Ben?

Yeah, he just doesn't do what he can't do. And if he can't do it, he's not going to do it, no matter, you know. Like, I would love playing with a guy who really don't want to shoot like that. You know, a guy who's just going to get me the ball the whole time. Fucking. Can't say shit about him. You ever get mad though that like, you're like, dude, you're an NBA player. He's his form.

It's like weird when a guy like that, his form looks right and he just doesn't ever take it, you know? I've, what's so funny is I've watched him train. Weeks of it. And he's a good shooter. Like, he's actually a good shooter. Like, I sat there and just watch him.

And I'm like, I'm looking at his form, I'm looking at his feet, and I'm like, what the hell's going on with you? Like, why isn't it translating to the game? And I don't know if you have this in football football but there's just certain type of players that just can't shoot and it's because of their speed they're too fast i don't it sounds like a weird thing well it's like catching the ball it's like catching the

ball some guys are too fast to catch the ball their eyes are bouncing they can't concentrate in a high pressure situation and they're wide ass open but they're running so fast their arms they don't catch the ball they don't it's a focus factor it's tough yeah you get the yes sometimes you know confidence goes a long way in catching or in shooting that was like you like, you know, everyone drops a ball and then sometimes you're like, damn, that fucks up your confidence. You got to get out of that. You know, it's like anything, but you got to, you got to be able to shake shit off. Yeah.

So like, like if you look at, if you go like through history, like you look at Jason Kidd, right? Super fast. Couldn't shoot. You got, you know, you West Westbrook. You have Tony Parker. But Kidd could shoot at the end. At the end of his career, Kidd shot better. Once they slowed down.

See, when you're taking that speed and you're going and you're letting your engine go and trying to stop and pull up a jumper, doesn't work with, you know. So you got the Ben Simmons, you got Westbrook and that's their problem. They have too much speed and torque and torque so when you try to stop it just messes up everything but westbrook's shot has gotten worse i think over time right like that is the i felt like he was

making a great stride around and when he was in okc those those that third fourth year pulling up that mid-range jumper that little mid-range jumper he was like hitting consistently and then all of a sudden it just seems like he's pressing he's just pressing now i i just think you know he's just he's just playing out of position at this point you know he's used to the ball he's used to feeling it getting the feel of it getting you know um so the fact that you know when he does touch it is like one of those things all right i gotta try to do something with it now you know more of like a two-man you know um type of skill and he does not have that um and it's just it's just throwing them off. It happens. Believe it or not, it happened with LeBron. When LeBron went to Miami that first year,

and they started off the season 0-8, because LeBron was playing a natural three position where Bibby was the point, he was the three. And it just wasn't clicking. And they were like, because they played against us, they got their win, and they were running against us. They put LeBron at the point, put Bibby at the two on the offense. So LeBron can have the ball coming full speed downhill.

And then they went on a 22-game winning streak. So note to self, if you're fast, you can't shoot. Bummer. Can't have it all. Can't have it all. G gilly we appreciate you coming on man you you were electric you're electric player you're entertaining as fuck what what's your podcast name uh no chill with gilbert arenas everyone go listen to it click subscribe on on fubo tv oh and Oh, and I have a combo.

So you know I was a Patriots fan. Yeah. Yeah, so my combo, I called you guys MJ. So whenever you scored a touchdown, it was the MJ moment because it was 12 and 11. So from 12 to 11, MJ moment, goat status was was the goat status i love it man we used to have so we had play called jordan and it was like yeah it's our go-to play it was a an empty formation i'm on the right and i got a juke rod i got like 52 yards to basically get open and that was our

and with seams you got gronk down the seam you got you know marty b on the other seam you got katie and on the outside like so we used to we used to always mix it up with some basketball tournament i knew it i knew it i'm so dumb that that took me a second i thought i just realized this michael jordan for a second i was like michael jackson 12 and 11 year old they got the it's the goat it's the goat combo now I get it now I know it's Michael Jordan took me a sec and the fact that they had the play called it going to you legendary

legendary hey man I'll have to get up on your podcast one of these days we'll have to have a no chill moment we'll have Sam come on too yeah hell yeah no problem no problem thank you thank you for having me I appreciate you coming on man alright alright fellas he was great No problem. No problem. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I appreciate you coming on, man. All right. All right, fellas.

He was great. He's a fun guy. And he is no shortage of confidence. No. It would have been crazy to see if he would have kept it together health-wise. Yeah. How fucking, like, he was unstoppable he was scoring the ball he was he was he had it all he could it was three years where it was like get the fuck out of the way yeah i mean

he was on the cover mb 2k it was live i think right live yeah and this is before live was live was the lesser game yeah 2k was better Live had its moment before 2K existed. For sure. Live was the game. Yeah. And then 2K just pre-cast. Yeah, right. I guess you're both amateurs.

NBA Jams was the real shit. Yeah, if you're fucking casual, man. NBA Jam is fine. Nah, dude. NBA 2K has fucking depth. Hell no. Dude, I used to love it. It's like saying you prefer Pauly Shore movies to Citizen Kane.

What are you talking about? It's fine. Don't mention about Biodome. Pauly Shore is fun. I'm saying Biodome is fun. What was his thing? Citizen Kane is a classic. What was his thing?

The Weasel? The Weasel. I used to like Pauly Shore. Yeah, no. I met him once. I liked NBA Jam. Fair comparison. That is a very fair comparison. Very,, no. I met him once, too. I like NBA Jam. Fair comparison? No, I'm with you.

That is a very fair comparison. Very, very valid. I mean, it was Sega. We were like two gigabytes. I don't even know what the computer term is. We had nothing. He's heating up. NBA Jam is a classic.

Yeah, yeah. It's like Blitz. It's in Blitz category. I get it. Blitz is a classic, too. I know, but they're in the same category. But Madden is better than Blitz. Yeah, so it's because you know two on twos gimmick it's a gimmick it's a gimmick it's a gimmick but it's not a traditional like authentic authentic type game

jack i i see your tyler's over here repping nhl hits i remember wayne gretzky 3d hockey that shit was fun fights that was the first game where you could beat the shit out of someone. That was great. Just hooking dudes. Throwing checks. Never got into the NHL games. They're a good game. A lot of guys, it was so fast. My dexterity wasn't

there, but my initial reaction to this game is silly Gilly. He's just entertaining. Yeah, he's a ideal guest on this show great stories i mean coming out with kobe the fact that he got all excited when kobe knew his name having his boy talk shit to kobe and then but he i don't think he had his boy talk shit i think that guy just like talk shit like can you imagine that you come in the league and your boy is just like my man's gonna fuck you up and kobe's like who are you like that was insane that story yeah

you gotta keep you gotta keep the friends online but then the end of the story is like he knew who arenas was i mean that's kind of i remember i did a roast back in the day i was 21 years old i did a friars club roast and i fucking bombed so hard i i was i went in cocky because i there was like an audition to do it and i killed the audition so i was like i'm fucking 21 years old what the fuck do i know i go on and i eat shit on stage and then a a comic, Rich Voss, goes on after me. And he's doing well. And then he bombs one line. He goes, you fuckers better laugh or I'm bringing Sam back up.

Oh. And it killed. And I was like, wow. I was also like, oh, it's pretty cool that he knows my name even. How sad is that? I was that young. I was like, it's cool he knew what my name was. I fucking stunk.

So you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation. I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah. It's cool he knew what my name was. I fucking stunk. So you were the Gilbert Arenas in that situation. I was Gilbert in that story. Wow. Yeah. It's tight. Kobe, knowing who Arenas was, is pretty cool. Yeah. And then he really fucking knew who he was.

He loved playing in L.A. That's the second guest we've talked to that said he liked playing. The Bright Lights. Yeah. The celebs. I mean, he can say he doesn't give a shit that Nicholson's there, but you're not going to not get up for that game. Yeah, it's like seeing Spike in the fucking garden.

Exactly. You see Spike in the garden, I'd be like, oh, shit. Exactly. You don't get to see that as much in football because all the celebrities are usually in boxes. That's a good point. You know what I mean? There's no intimacy that you get in basketball.

That's the cool thing about basketball when you're playing in front of people. You can hear. When you sit courtside and stuff, you can hear the game and all that. You don't get to experience that in football unless you're on the sideline. Very rarely do you get to be on that sideline. Jack Nicholson, he's in boxes after the game. Jack Nicholson sex joke. Got fucked a lot in the 70s and 80s.

And 90s. 2002. I bet he slowed down. He's 85. I hope he slowed down just for his ticker. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. we'll leave that um he said he'd rather lose and score 80 that was awesome the honesty is great that he like i want

80 because because he knew it would bother kobe more than a win yeah although i don't know kobe wanted to win at all costs he yeah i don't what do you think kobe would say the same thing i don't know kobe wanted to win at all costs he yeah i don't what do you think kobe would say the same thing i don't think he would i think kobe would rather have 60 and win i think you're right i was always the kind of guy if i was balling out and it was a close game i was just praying that we won the game because you don't you can't feel good about it no it doesn't matter locker room right it well doesn't matter. No one remembers lost shit. Yeah. Even if you go off. Like, look at, like, Gabriel last year in the playoffs

had four touchdowns. That's fucking insane against the Kansas City Chiefs in the divisional round. And, like, we're talking about the Chiefs. You know what I mean? And they're talking about four, which I think was almost,

was that a record? That could have been a record. We'll see. Val Bundy shit. Val Bundy. I love Val Bundy. Handed my pants on the couch, man. Classic. Peg. almost was that a wreck that could have been a record we'll see al bundy shit al bundy i love al bundy and in my pants on the couch man classic peg oh do we hit the what was the prop bet how many beefs we could bring up oh my god we demolished we demolish it well we had gilbert

who just has so much the kwame beef is maybe the most fun beef. I mean, it didn't stop there either. We had John Stockton beef, which we love. This is an anti-John Stockton podcast. Fuck Stockton. Fuck him. Cool shorts. Team USA basketball. He had beef with all of Duke basketball.

He had beef with. Yeah, he definitely went a baddie a little. Baddie a little. Beef with NCAA refs. Beef with the national title game. Richard Jefferson. Beef with RJ.s, beef with the national title game. Richard Jefferson? Beef with RJ. His own teammate.

Beef with the entire NBA draft system, which I love. That's true. Well, I mean, you got to be angry that you go 31 and Kwame goes one and you're like, that dude? You know what I mean? I get it. But that creates a chip on his shoulder. Maybe that made him play better.

That's what makes Agent Zero Agent Zero, you know? Exactly. What's the legacy for this game? Just Gil going off. This is a regular season game. The stakes are nonexistent. It's just a cool game. We're watching Gil.

It was hot these next few. Didn't he have 50 and like a couple other ones like I said 54 in the suns yeah and they snapped an 18 game oh yeah they had a beef with the suns coach yep d'antoni yeah remember at the olympics or something he had a beef with the olympic system you know we can go on with the beefs this is a lot of beef where's the beef he had a beef with his microphone too for a while and the zipper on his jacket that's true that was a beef here he had a beef with the the the the the head the cordless headphones that's true he's a podcaster how the fuck can we knock at his audio he had a

beef with the camera podcast the camera was on his on his neck for a while i mean the guy he loves beef he's my kind of guy i like burgers he was i still like beef i still think about this era and how much joy he gave me to watch him i mean he really was just fun to watch just an incredible player uh and i think an underappreciated and somewhat forgotten player from this era i think you don't hear his name enough for how good he was. No. And it goes into that category just like, you know, Bibb. You know, you don't win one. You're not really getting the recognition.

There's only like a few. You have to be super elite for a long time like Dan Marino or Charles Barkley for guys that didn't win it sure that get remembered patrick ewing guy you know i mean there's a lot of guys you have to you have to like and i feel bad for those guys john stockton stockton malone i like that they didn't win one yeah me too fuck the utah jazz dude fuck mitt Romney's dumb khakis at his game with his jersey on. I don't give a shit about Utah. Salt Lake, good people.

I do like the crowds there. Really nice people. Yeah. And a lot more diverse than I thought. Yeah, I hooked up with a Mormon once there, and she was like blown away that I had body hair. She was like, oh my God, you're so Jewish. And I was like, the bar is so low.

It was amazing. They're very Scandinavian out there. They are. she was like oh my god you're so jewish and i was like this is like the bar is so low it's amazing they're very scandinavian out there they are they're very like blonde hair blue eye yeah oh yeah joseph smith man just you come in whites you come and look at ethnic like an ethnic you know euro looking jew like me they're just like what the fuck is this? It's great. 60 is the most anyone ever scored on Kobe. So that is huge. You think about the great players who went against Kobe. You weren't getting it. Kobe took it personal.

He did. You came to the Staples Center. This was in the Staples Center. He took it personally. And, you know, what did he call himself? The Black Mongoose? Gilbert's the Black Mongoose? Because the mongoose can eat the snake the mambas i feel like he said 50 50 i feel like the mongoose owns the snake we could look into that jack when we do when we forget but like i feel like the mongoose owns this i just read that a lady went missing in like

indonesia and they found her in a boa constrictor's body damn like she was 54 her husband saw a big fat snake like a half of a body it's got to be a rough way to go just squeeze you to death and then that just swallows you is that how they do it that's how they do it damn or was it an anaconda it was one of the two but regardless that's crazy lasting image yeah what's the image of sticks with you the game to me it's just almost like gilbert and those ugly ass jerseys which he thinks are awesome he said he went off every time he was in them he loved them i i think that i don't know about how you guys feel i think they're the most hideous jerseys but it's gil and the ugly jersey just elevating with a jump shot.

That's the image to me. Yeah, I'd agree. Those jerseys are... Anyone else? No? Jack? I'm not a fan. I mean, it almost goes in that category, though,

that they're so ugly they're kind of cool now. I'm not a huge fan of any of the Wizards jerseys. I think the old Bullets jerseys, the Reds, are pretty fucking dope. Those are badass. Can't go wrong with red, white, and blue, bubs. Apparently you can. I think the Pats jerseys are cool, honestly, but I don't like the— No, the Classics are not bad.

The Classics are insane. The Reds? Yeah, I love them. The Reds are insane. The Reds? Yeah, I love them. The Reds are awesome. The Red is a cool jersey color. The new ones are the blue on blue. I guarantee they won't be using those gray pants again because they haven't worn them in two years or something,

and they just got blown out on Monday Night Football by the Chicago Cubs. I mean, that's... It's not their name. No, but they're kind of. They're baby bears Yeah You don't think of the 85 bears When you're looking at this

This This bears team Let's just say that And the Pats got blown out Weren't we supposed to do Jay Cutler's podcast What happened with that Speaking of bears

I don't know But I love Jay Yeah we never We're supposed to do that Jay is A likable Aaron Rodgers Is he Like as far as Like they both have that kind of, like, arrogance.

You know, like, they both... Aaron Rodgers is a way better quarterback, don't get me wrong. But, like, you know what I mean? Like, Jay would call out his teammates. He just sat there, like, he had a cigarette, miserable face. Remember the cigarette memes that he always used to have? He always had a cigarette in his mouth. Show, uh... Yeah what what do you make of this aaron rogers shit right now i know this is like an evergreen pop but i want to i mean it's pretty crazy right yeah i don't know

it's they're different types of leadership skills i guess look at it do you think this just started though when they didn't retain davanteae Adams? And he was like, what the fuck, dude? Well, you can't retain someone when you get as big of a contract as Aaron got. So what do you think? I think he's about trying to make money right now. Yeah. Like, let's call a spade a spade. Yeah.

Does he want championships? No. He got one. 20 spade. Yeah. Does he want championships? No. He got one. 20 years ago. 12. You know, and Aaron Rodgers, he's the most talented guy ever. No, he's not. Ever?

When you see the ball come off his hand, it's pretty sexy. More talented than Brady? As far as, like, just straight, pure pure throwing and like it's just pretty. It's sexy. No, he's a great player. I'm not denying it. But the thing is Brady like... More talented than Mahomes or Allen? I would say his accuracy

is pretty damn... His arm is pretty elite. It's... Peyton Manning? Peyton Manning wasn't known for his arm, really. he was more known for the cerebral side of it um what did we forget jack we got a couple here uh gabe davis was indeed does indeed hold the record for most tv receptions in a playoff game yeah you're right brother spot on um over here in the nat geo corner, the Mongoose is practically guaranteed to win against a black mamba.

That's what I'm saying. He said it was 50-50. Yeah. Mongoose destroys mambas. He was probably trying to be PC. I don't think that guy's PC. I don't think he's PC at all. I also love when Jules said

that asked Gil if he made more money his last year at Arizona than his first year in the pros very basketball Shaq making more money in college very basketball

very good question that was awesome it was an honest question I mean jeez I've seen it first time basketball we need to do a basketball episode of this i am

fighting to do to get trey and matt on and we talk i feel like they don't like that movie they have to love it i don't think they like it i love it i love it i love them i i think south park bigger longer and uncut is a top five comedy of all time it's's a masterpiece. Everything of what they do. They're phenomenal. Team America, not bad. Team America's great. No, they're the best. How have they not been thrown out yet?

They're grandfathered in, dude. Grandfathered in. Yeah, dude. And if people try to throw them out, we will fucking rally in the streets. The Mr. Jackson shit is so funny on that damn show. So good. And then one... Alley in the streets. The Mr. Jackson shit is so funny on that damn show. So good.

And then one. It's Mr. Hankey. Mr. Hankey. The poop. No. Mr. Jackson was Michael Jackson. That was a good one. The blank. Mr. Jefferson.

Mr. Jefferson. Mr. Jefferson. I love Chef. I was so sad when Chef left. Although the way they killed him off was pretty badass It's sad though because Isaac Hayes died And I feel like they never patched it up Fucking Scientology dude

He was cool making fun of everybody else Made fun of Jews, black people Draws a line at Elrond Latinos, Ethiopians Can't let Elrond down And then one last update On those Saudi Knights jerseys, as we called them. Gil loved them.

They only lasted three years. They're awful. Yeah. It's hilarious that he loved them. He loved them. He looked at us like we had a dick on our forehead. I know. Which I think would look better than those jerseys, honestly.

That's how bad. I would rather have a dick on my forehead than. Like an actual dick or a painted dick? Painted. I don't want an actual. I didn't know we were going to dissect this one. I don't know. I was just,

I was thinking about it. What's the name of the game? He called it the speed limit game, which is, I love, I love the name. Is it 60? I would think,

I think of it as Gilbert's 60 piece on Kobe. That's, that's how I think of the game, but I do love the speed limit. What do you think? The black mongoose game. The black m I think of the game, but I do love the speed limit. What do you think? The Black Mongoose game. The Black Mongoose? All right, let's do it.

Stakes? Stakes are nothing. Three and a half? Three and a half. Start power? It's still Gilbert versus Kobe. Regular season. These were the two superstars.

We're going 3-5. Okay, folks. That's fair. No, Kyler makes a good point. They were both 500 teams. These aren't high stakes. What year was this? This was 06.

06. You're right. I think I'm 2-8 maybe. You're right. No stakes. No stakes. Star power is high. But there was beef.

Kobe. No stakes, but there was beef. Got it. See, I hang out with a comic, and I'm just getting fucking funnier by the second. That was clever. That was good. Kyler's trying to lower the score of everything today. I don't like this.

Star Power's high, man. We got Kobe. We got Odom. We got Arenas. Karan Butler. Yeah, but it's not Shaq and Kobe. No, we're not going that high. Yeah, it's high.

Nicholson's there. He was there. Nicholson raises anything. He gets you a point. Easy. He's like a four-point guy for the spread for like an NFL team. If he doesn't play, you're dropping four points in the spread. Or if he does play, you're getting four points.

Is he Josh Allen right now? For star power? No, for points in the spread. I don't think he's Josh Allen high right now. Because in 70s, because this was late 2000s. Oh, dude, he's even bigger because it's like the legend of Jack.

I think 2006 Jack is even bigger. Is it? Yeah. Chris Mim was out there. Chris Mim is a big name, dude, he's even bigger because it's like the legend of Jack. I think 2006 Jack is even bigger. Is it? Yeah. Let's not forget about Chris Mim. Chris Mim was out there. Chris Mim is a big name, dude. Star power, a 7.8. That's fair.

That's a fair score. Kyler's, all right, reluctant. All right. Reluctant 7.8. Gameplay is a good game. If we're just going pure gameplay, overtime, a comeback. 45 from Kobe, 60 from a- I'm going like 8-7.

If we're just doing gameplay, it's great basketball. 8-7. It was good. It was fun basketball. Fun regular season basketball. The name is not high either. This is not going to be a high. What's the name?

The Black Mongoose game. I like the name. It's funny. It does score points for being funny. It's not iconic so how are we are we raking it uh ranking on being iconic or funny the speed limit of the black mom boot black mongoose we we already get we already locked her in the black mongoose game so i don't know like a 6-0 it's a funny name yeah and it's got some it's got some story behind it

you know in some like national geographic type shit yeah all right soft spot for that this is a low score though yeah i mean it's still no shark week a six three all right respectable it's a regular this actually for a regular season game it's a pretty respectable score yeah by, by two teams under.500. Yeah. But they did have two ballers that we all loved watching at that time of basketball. Part of me wants to go higher on gameplay, but it's locked in. We can't do anything now.

Once it's locked, it's locked. We can always review at the mid-season review show. Mid-season review show? Right behind the – this one lands us right behind the 2011 stanley cup final that came in at a 6-5 just ahead of the giants nationals belt dumper game as it was known 18 innings in the uh in ld belt dumpers worse than this i would agree with that i agree i agree this is a way that was a fucking snooze fest, that game. Pence was fun as hell, but that game was a snooze fest. Kyler's upset the Canucks game had a riot, so that was...

And we ranked this higher than the Canucks? Just enough. Sorry, hockey. Suck it. Hockey. That's right. What do they call hockey guys? Puck heads?

You got seam heads for baseball, football. Hockey. That's right. What do they call hockey guys? Puck heads? Hockey heads? We got seam heads for baseball, football. I've never even heard seam heads. What are dimple heads for golfers? Hoop heads makes sense. Is that hoop heads? I don't know. I don't know.

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