Games with Names - Highlight Reel: NFL Linemen Tell Their Greatest Stories from the Trenches

Episode Date: August 10, 2025

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Now, how was Matt right before that dried? What was his temper like? First thing I'm going to do, just, I mean, not that you're scared of Matthew. He's real sensitive about Matt, so. Really? Can we call him Matthew? We've thrown a couple times. He's like McConaughey.

McConaughey is the same way here. I'm very serious, but, Kelly's going to, she's going to post on Instagram. I'm sorry. I'm just telling you. I like to come over a post. Kelly's going to get you on Insta if you don't, you got to call him Matthew. I'm sorry, Matthew. Okay, Matthew.

It's very serious. But, dude, honestly. How was Maddie before that thing? Hey, if you're like me, I'm calling Matt the rest of the day. No, anyway, so, no, you know what's wild? Like, when people talk about the game, right? Like, that's the things I actually remember. It's like him walking in the huddle.

So, you know, if people don't realize this, the quarterback's always on the side of the team. So, you know, he's communicating with the coach, all those things. So obviously our sideline is away from me being the left tackle. And so Matthew's over on that side. And so we're looking dead into each other. Every time he's getting the call from Sean, I can kind of see Sean in the background making the calls.

And I see Matthew, like, looking up at us. And I never for him getting in the huddle. And he was like, hey, man, let's go do something special right here. You know? And there was just a look in his eye. Like, I always said this. Like, Matthew to me is like John Wayne. Like he just does, like he's like this cowboy, bad dude in the sense of he's not a cowboy type guy,

but he's just a tough, never heard, never says a word. Like it's hit. You can literally like, ugh. like nothing, won't say a word, like not blaming anybody, never tell you a thing, like they're draining his knee, his hip, whatever pre-game, like, he doesn't care. Like, the dude's just tough, and that's who he is. And so you're just like, in the huddle, it's like, let's go do something special, boys. You know, it's like, yes, sir, you know, like nobody's touching you.

Think of a necessary roughness, if you will, the movie, like, nobody's going to touch you. You know, like, that's literally how you felt with Matthew Stafford in the huddle. And, you know, that drive, obviously, him and cup, really special. and every play, you know, it's like that, you know, I look on the screen, it's like how, you said, man, 15 play drive, gosh, it felt like four months, you know, it literally like every, you're like, oh, we found a first down. Oh, we found a first down. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. Let's keep going. So it was a wild, wild deal. But I think really special, you know, you always think those things in the way they end to have those two guys, the relationship they form, the bond and

commitment they made to meet every single morning. We also, that season had what we called the breakfast club, me Stafford and Cup and our wives would meet every single Tuesday morning for breakfast that whole entire season at Soho in Malibu. We met every week. They were all ready for us every Tuesday morning. And it really became a great bonding experience for us. And we even did it the week of the Super Bowl. And the roughest one was the Tuesday after the Super Bowl when we have, none of us have slept at all. But it was like, hey, let's have one more. And we met that morning. And it was like, dude, what a journey this whole year. We won a Super Bowl. bowl. Now here we are sitting here having breakfast again. It was a special year.

You know what? And that last drive pretty much summed up that team. Fifteen plays, you know, executing and got to have it situations. Key third downs. Your go-to players making go-to plays. One of the best no looks ever? If not the? I mean, he invented it. You know, Patrick said this. Like, I know the people, but like, Mahomes has actually said, like, I grew up watching Stafford, like, throw the, like, he is the, I know nobody, like, talks about that much, but, like, he is the guy who, like, was doing that for a long time. Well, Joe, Joe used to do it a little bit. Yeah, oh, yeah.

A little flat, a little flat, but, you know, he kind of took it a little crazy a couple times in a year. Because he would go across the damn middle. No one does a no look across the middle. It's kind of like, what the fuck is this guy doing? Next up, Max Crosby on getting fired up to play against division rivals like Patrick Mom's. Now, it brings me with all what you just said, all those techniques and,

and everything, no one can stop you, that all has to change and all those schemes and all that mindset changes when you're going against the chiefs though, right? Because rushing Patrick Mahomes has got to be, it's got to be different. Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. I mean, that's the thing. Every week is a new, I know, you know how it is. It's a division game, though. They know you, you know them. You know what they're doing, but you also know what the guy like him. Yeah, you know. You can't give him a gaping lane because he'll, and then he's going to create. So you've got to be patient.

You can't get past the quarterback. It's the worst place to be, especially with him. That's got to be a tough one, huh? It's a different battle. I mean, that's the thing. Your division guys, like I see Herbert, Mahomes, all these guys over and over again. And the teams, like you said, they know each other so well, and you know that your opponent, you know exactly what they're going to do.

But it's who's going to be more prepared and who had a better week leading up to that game, who took care of their body better. It's the littlest details, I think, that matter in those. type of matchups because you already know what the hell they're going to do. And you're playing a guy like Mahomes, you cannot let him breathe. You know what I mean? You have to be on his ass the whole time. Herbert's the same way. If you give Herbert a little bit of breathing room, he's going to come back and make a play. So like we preach that all the time. And that's why we were able to beat, you know, at the end of the year, we beat the charges, beat the Broncos, beat the

Chiefs. It's because we didn't let up at all. Like we were on it from the go. We got a sack. We got two sacks first drive and we just kept rolling. And that's what, you know, what you got to do those type of quarterbacks no in the division who's your guys's rival who do you hate the most and is it the chiefs because they've just been running it for a while or is it who who's you who's your i mean i hate them all i will say that i hate the chiefs i hate them all in different ways you know the chargers are like the like the clippers when they had uh doc rivers and chris paul and blake griffin they're like when their things are going well everyone's like oh my god But they're going to, but they're front runners.

We know who they are. Amen. We know who they are. And I'm going to just be real. And they know what it is. They're front runners. So, yeah, they're that. Chiefs, they earned it.

I mean, they're the best in the league, three Super Bowls. Everybody has their own opinions. They hate certain things about the Chiefs, but I respect the shit out of them. Until we do something about it and beat them, I mean, I got a, I got a tip the cap to them. They're doing it right now. That Christmas Day game this year. Yeah. I mean, that's the type of shit.

I mean, we beat them, I beat them twice and 10 times, so I can't say shit about them. I mean, I respect them, though. I definitely, I love playing them. I love playing my homes. I love playing the best. It's fucking awesome. But yeah, we hate the Chiefs. Now, our buddy, Matt Light, on playing against those Buffalo Bills.

Now, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. That's a zero. Stakes. Huh? Not the greatest game of all time. No way.

One to 10. Decimal's okay. Stakes. Stakes. takes point five point five yeah they were dogs you do it too yeah i'll say a four five is the east on the line yeah you're right you're right but yeah in a grand scheme with i mean it's buffalo you know what i'm saying little brothers you know it sucks that now we're the little brothers and i know at least when we were the older brothers like the big boys on the block we

were going out beating up the other kids by the way one of the greatest buffalo games was we ship law dog down there lawyer and they whoop our tail 31 and nothing season opener yeah and by the way we shipped in there like the week before and it was so awkward you know how like when that white buffalo comes in and snatches a dude the feeling in there is so weird especially when it's one of your top guys and then can you explain what the white buffalo is yeah like there's so we always say there's this bin that they bring out in the locker room and they throw all the guy's stuff and They clear out that locker and you come in and, man, that dude's just gone. The Turk.

Yeah, man. And when that happens to a guy like him, though, man, it takes a little bit. Like when Logan was traded. That was weird. That had to be crazy. I wasn't there for that, obviously, but you were there. I was there. It was crazy.

I was like, what the fuck are we doing? And by the way, what was he thinking? We won a Super Bowl that year. I know. That's the crazy thing. But that was not a good move on his part, in my opinion. But whatever. What do I know?

I'm not a world record coach. You're a world record handsome gentleman. Thank you. Let's get back to Star Power. You didn't have to say that. One to ten, star power of this game? I don't know. Four?

I'm not good with these numbers. That's all right. I'll say six. Okay. The gameplay of this game. It was a blowout. Well, I mean, from our perspective, it was pretty stellar. Pretty amazing.

You guys ran, what, 214 yards? Every fat man's dream, man. It's just to run the ball every single play. You'd rather hit someone than get hit. All day long, man. Back and up sucks. Go forward. Give me a nine on gameplay. I'll give it a 8-1.

What's the name category mean? You got to score the name of the game. Oh, okay, score the name of the game. And the cultural impact of the game. How much it has a lasting sports? I'm going to go nine again because I felt it on this game. I'm going to go six. 7.8.

7.8, all right. Geez, look at these guys. The Russian judges? Yeah, we went full Russian judge. That was before I knew it had a great name, a Diamond Store for Life game. 5.8. Where does that go on the leaderboard?

That puts us... Dead last. Just below game two of the 2014 NLDS. So we're at like the 50 spot. You guys have like a whole system here. This is like... It's wild. Those are all the games we've done.

Holy, that's a lot. There's a lot of work. put into this. I see it. You know, like, so I've never been on social media in my life. Yeah.

And so I'm a little bit of a dinosaur myself in that respect. But you know what? Here's my theory, man. I think it's actually going to become like the cool thing down the road.

To be like retro? No. Yeah, you know what I mean? Like bell bottoms and all this stuff, it ends up coming cyclical, right? I think there's going to be a cachet to the people that like, I don't know

anything about this cat. Like I can't find nothing. I mean, although I've kind of shared most of my secrets today, except for one. one, thank you. Thank you. Next up, funniest man in the league,

Rich Ornberger, on his welcome to the NFL moment. What's your welcome to the moment? Because I remember the first day on rookie camp, I heard him scream something like, you fat fuck, you're going to be bouncing around the league for seven years,

woman, the back of Walmart, doing these things for $5 because I get fired for trying to make you right or stuff. Dude, 100, you, I mean, you must have been doing wide receiver individuals, right where we were doing center quarterback exchange.

So before practice, if you were going to play interior offensive line at all in New England, you're taking snaps with Dante. Because like we all know, there are games where all of a sudden you run out of centers. You know, you run out of tackles sometimes. A tight end has to shift over like shit happens. You only get whatever it is, 46 active players on a sideline, so you better be versatile. And so he had all the interior offensive linemen taking center quarterback exchange. he's got his hands under center.

He'd take snaps from us. So tiny little Dante Scarnikia has his tiny little hands under my giant fat ass, and he is shouting out cadences. And I snap a football, and he swears it was shallow. So he said, like, so it hits the ground. I feel it. It hits my ankle. So I turn around and I look at him, and I was like, where did it hit you?

Like I'm like pointing to my hand trying to find out like what depth of, And before I could finish showing him on my hand, ask him like, so where he lunges at me and he grabs my face mask with two hands. He is now doing fucking chin-ups on my face mask and screaming the most profane rant I had ever heard in my entire life telling me that I'm going to be offering sex services for work, tell me that I'm no good, that I'm dumb as shit, that life is going to be bad for me if I don't figure out how to snap footballs to him. him. And I remember he, he, he, this is day one. This is day one. This is day one. This is day one. Day won in New England. They won. We just got drafted. He kicks the fucking football.

And I'm staring at it, like kind of still in shock from the moment. And he goes, now go. Don't just look at the football. Go fucking get it. And let's do this over it. So I run over. I grab the football. And I jog back kind of at a leisurely pace.

He's like, okay, we're waiting on you now. I'm like, okay, I'm sorry. So snap the football. And I mean, it was off to the races. It's like, this is the level of accountability that happens. here. There's no time for discussing. His whole point was well-founded. I mean, in a football game, you're never going to snap a football. And if you feel it hit your ankle, turn around and be like, was that one a little too low for you? Like, you're going to have to block somebody. So he's like,

if it hits the ground, you run and you hit somebody and then figure out if you have possession of the football after the placeover. Still coaching. Yeah. Motherfucking, but coaching. Hit someone. If it's out there, your quarterbacks don't have to get there. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, that was my welcome time. But there were so many, I'm sure you have some too, like where you see something happen at the pro level where you're just like, I've never seen that before. Randy Moss, our buddy, like you said.

I remember the first day when the vets came. Remember that? Because we had our rookie camp and we had like four days and then we were there for a while. And then that first day when you see Randy Moss and Tom Brady connected on the sideline effortlessly. A whole different world. It was like, oh man, that's fucking cool.

Yeah. And that's like, that's like, that's what it looked. I guess that's what it's supposed to look like. Day one. You're like, okay, well, I'm never going to get anywhere near that level, but maybe I could like brush up against the basement of that level, maybe. But Randy Moss, I remember one time, training camp practice. It was our first training camp. And I started our first training camp injured because I actually tore my hamstring during the 40-yard test. And so I was on the training room table for like 10 days before I got back.

out there. Randy, I remember it was a team drill. Randy was going against like some rookie or second year corner. And this guy, I guess, felt like he covered him going downfield on a play. And Randy was running just, you know, fly route, go route, whatever, just down the sideline. And this kid was drawn to him. And so Randy, he's pointing, I mean, shouting something down the field. You can't, you can't hear it. It's inaudible at first, but you just know Randy's Yeah, yeah. So he's like, oh, no, hell now, no, no, we're going to run that shit back. Billy, oh, none of this bullshit.

That's our offensive coordinator at the time, Billy O'Brien. He was like, no, no, no, we're running that shit again. Tommy, okay, right, yep, we're going to do it. And so Randy's in control now. Bill steps aside, we're going to run that play again. So this corner knows what plays coming. He just successfully covered Randy Moss just moments ago. But I guess he wasn't given his 100% effort.

he knew what Randy was going to do. He blows by him, and he has five steps in front of him by the time they're 15 yards down the field. And I shit you, nod, Jules. Tom throws a perfect ball to his inside shoulder. He never even looks at the fucker. He just goes like this. He kind of side-eyes it, throws his hand out, catches it, and then holds his hand in the air as

he's running to the end zone, talking shit the entire time into the end zone all the way back to the huddle. And then he spiked it off the corner's head, got in the hush. huddle, they ran the next play. I was like, what did we just witness? Yeah, I remember that. That was so fun. Oh, he did. Randy didn't even warm up with the team. No. So it used to be offense defense. Randy would always be with V. He'd have his fucking gloves on, remember? Oh, yeah. Hanging up. His shit wouldn't even be tied. He'd be out there just talking with V cold shot, bro.

Randy, it was a man. It was such a fun, fun, fun teammate. And he, he would motherfucker up. us, but when people weren't around, he'd always give you some knowledge. He'd always buddy me up, because I was in his room. Yeah, oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. That must have been something, dude.

But he would always, you know, I was quiet in my room. You know, you have Rainy Moss, West Welker, fucking Greg Lewis we just traded for. Joey Galloway. Oh, my God, Joey, yeah. Joey Galloway.

So, like, I didn't say shit, but Randy, you know, when we had to go pay for shit, he'd always take care of me. Tori Holt? Was he on our team? That was two years. That was the next year.

Oh, okay. Yeah. Remember we retired on the conditioning test with the zigs? Yes. Yeah. My boy, I'm sorry,

Tori. I'm sorry, but I got to tell the story. Yeah. No, he was, he was awesome. No,

we were on our conditioning test just to come back right before. Yeah. And he was wearing, remember those Reeboks? Yeah, they had the little zigzag design on the soul. Yeah.

Conditioning test 2060s. Okay. Yeah. Pretty easy. It's not too bad. It's not too. For receivers, we got to run. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You guys run. We get to rep number four. He takes his shorts off. Rep number five, shirts. Yeah, yeah. Rep number six, he looks down and he says, don't do this to me, Ziggs. And he walked off the field.

I never saw him again. Now we got Howie Long on his unique pregame rituals. When did you guys go down to the Super Bowl? How big was the Super Bowl in 1983 at this point? Was it still fucking, like, massive? To put it in perspective, Lyle and I, Lyle and I, every game, we ever played together, right after Team Meal, which was 8 a.m., you go to Team Meal, you know, before the meal, you go to Chapel and, you know, you do all that.

And they go through special teams and, you know, R1, R2, you know, the personnel kind of thing. and then Lyle and I were getting a cab and we'd go to the stadium every game no bus we never won the bus we like to get there I like to get there early yeah I like to get there early I get my I get my shorts on I get my thing on and I'd go out and I'd run some 40s just to kind of get loose and stretch and come back in and I go over my my formation sheets lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads lie down on the floor and go to sleep and it was the it really

it said a lot about how different we were and he'd say to me hey what's that one formation that we can't figure out I said dot you know like he didn't know formations he didn't know he just played and that was the difference between the two of us but we we took a cab every game and the Super Bowl was no different.

So we go through pregame meal, and you think about nowadays, you know, and particularly after 9-11. That's when it all... That's when it all really, really changed. Helicopters and shit. You know, concrete pillars, a block around the stadium.

You can't get anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab. We're driving to the stadium, and I think the guy spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us. and we get stuck in traffic just short of a mile from the stadium and we're not we're not getting there and Lyle's trying to get the guy to go up on the curb and that needles in red you know and I'm like you know let's so we finally we get out of the cab and we're walking through the tailgators three

quarters of a mile to the stadium through the parking lot with Lila Al Zado in a froth. So, you know, that tells you how different it is now versus them. Did everyone know you guys? Yeah, I mean, Lyle. You guys are huge. Lyle, at one point sparred Muhammad Ali. I mean, you know, I mean, and if you're a Washington fan,

you know, why I am and, you know, he is. And, you know, if you're a Raider fan, you know, why I'm and, you know, he is. So it's one or the two in the stadium parking lot. And to see his face, as the clock was ticking down he's he's here's this card carryin bad man you know you got to kill him kind of guy uh and tears are just running down his face i mean the journey he had going from denver to cleveland over 13 years i think it was 12 years 13 years before he got to us you know

And for him to finally, you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough, on the counterplay, ironically enough, the big run was off a blown counterplay. It was a counter-67, and it got stuffed at the point of attack. Marcus reset, comes back, and he's blowing everyone away. and you see this bullet come from behind them. If you look at the film, it's Cliff Branch running close to buy him. He, you know, the gap between, it was like, it was like the kid from the Seahawks last week who picked a ball off 192 yards.

The big boy. Yeah. You could see the wide receivers all kind of, they're gearing it down, but it's like a, it's like a group of, of escorts. Yeah, yeah. And that's what Cliff was on Marcus's run. No. He ends up winning the MVP.

Lyle boxed. He, uh, he, uh, did a, uh, what was supposed to be a, uh, charity. It was kind of a, not a, a real exhibition, exhibition, but a lot to Lyle, it was a little more than that. Did he train? Oh, I'm sure he did. Yeah. How did it look?

How'd he do? This was before me. So I didn't really, I've seen footage of it. But knowing Lyle, you know, he wanted to, he wanted to land something. Yeah. It was at Mile-Had Stadium. It's at Mile-Haw Stadium. Lyle the mile.

Yeah. Next up, Michael Bennett recounts the aftermath of Malcolm Butler's interception in Super Bowl 49. The aftermath was really interesting because I think that was one of those turning points. I think if we win that game, we probably would probably end up going to three Super Bowls back-to-back, right? That following year was very difficult because it was like, took the whole season and kind of like finally get together as one unit because everybody was pointing fingers of whose fault it was. But my head, it was like, it's everybody's fault if you lose, honestly.

Less is just like a really unique play where it's like comes down to it. But, you know, we gave up points on defense. The offense didn't score enough or we didn't do this. It's like everybody plays a role in it. Yeah, I mean, it's a team sport. It's the ultimate team sport. 11 men have to do their job for five seconds. and if one guy messes up

it could be a colossal fuck up I'm choking gronk on this one so what can we talk about this how did this go I don't know I just just like man fuck they won you know what I'm saying like let's fight you know what I'm saying like let's just fight

like who winning the fight you know what I'm saying like might as well at this point what's going to happen it's just it's that theory that you don't know if you like winning more than you hate losing yeah it's just like man like all that to be here Yeah, and I was playing really good this game And I was just like

I was just like wanting to like Yeah, but it all turns out It is what it is Now, immediately after that game In locker room Was there like It was shock Why did we not run it?

Yeah, I think that was what everybody was thinking Was that everyone's mind? Yeah, I think Pete still thinks I think that's one of, he would probably never say that But I did, I bet in his head a little bit They're like He wonders if what had happened if you just ran the ball, right? think yeah well you guys i can't speak for you they were down four so you it was third down was

it third down second i believe second down so they had three downs at the two i went through it to fourth down and we was on yeah so yeah most likely could did two quarterback sneaks yeah that sorry that i'm thankful that they were in yeah yeah legacy the mount rush war of scy Defenders after that one. I think they still, you still got Earl Thomas. Earl Thomas probably goes down as one of the best safeties. I think it'll take him a little bit to you know, everything that kind of happened

at the end will be shaky. But I think he still is a Hall of Fame man. I think Sharm, for sure. Sherman has done a great job in retirement and career. All the things he's done is football. Bobby for sure. Like, KJ's really good. Cliff was great. Cam was great.

There's a lot of great defenders on that team. That's just the whole defense is the Legion of Boone. The whole defense is on the wall. The whole defense is on the wall. It take a great defense to win. It does. I think where do we go is the best defense of history?

Yeah, where does this go in the best? Some people say number one and number two, it depends who you ask. Competing with, what, 85 bears? 85 bears are the Ravens. Ravens. 2000 Ravens? Yeah. That's even cool.

Statistically, we were kind of the best. We look at statistic-wise. How? What statistics show that? Scoring, running, passing, turn. you know what I'm saying like yeah so now we got cam jordan on his mount rushmore of defensive ends i want to know your mount rushmore dns hell yeah brother true dns not the the edge rusher types uh yeah we want to start off chris dolman okay julius peppers okay um are we labeling reggie

white as a dn because he was a three four but he's really a detackle but we're gonna he was on the edge yeah he was on the edge ever you can't go you know reggie white and then then cam jordan let's go no l t he's an edge l t not a d n he's a edge rusher he's t j wott okay he's von miller yeah he's not putting his hand in dirt and he's like oh shit he's gonna he's gonna put hands on me like tight ends didn't fear him you know fear him he's fear to block him for sure on in a pass rush you see l t but like yeah yeah a duo going his way dude i want you know what you know what's fucking crazy when you just said that a duo coming his way

we got the duo our defense I don't know I forget what year it was in like 18 we had a good defense and they they were getting the duo coming at them it was regular day yeah and we got blown up and you know you're supposed to take them out

so you force it inside the duo fucking Bill threw on LT clips he goes this how you fucking do it and he'd show LT blowing up the duo and making the fucking play but it's funny how you said that it's crazy

no yeah that's I like that that's a fucking that's an insane yeah now had you just left at the edge then we'd open it up to the Von Miller's the LT yeah I like that you have a difference yeah I like that there's nuances to this

that's like that's like naming like you know a slot receiver and they're like oh but what about him but he's a he's an X or Z or whatever it is a lot people think I'm a slot receiver but I did have most more catches on the outside we love nuance here in the nut house I just made a lot of hay in the slot

Next Richie Incognito tells us what he really thinks about NFL referees And then yeah the chop block penalty That was unfortunate I had gotten away with one I thought I can go back to it And they got my ass for it

What was your relationship with the refs Did you ever butter them up? Fuck the refs Fuck all the refs Fuck them all They're you know My thing with the refs are it's just, it's just so uneven.

It's just so uneven the enforcement of penalties. And this isn't against me. This is in the game. It's so uneven of the enforcement of the penalties. And it comes down to a critical juncture in the game. And these guys haven't thrown flags for four quarters. And now they want to get the flags out. Now they want to decide the game.

And it's like, you know, I mean, I would just love to see it better. You got to call the game consistently at the beginning that you're going to call the end. If you're going to throw flags for PI, throw them in the first quarter, throw them in the fourth quarter. I can handle that. But if you're going to go throughout the whole game and you're not, you're going to let this little ticky, stuff go. And then in the fourth quarter it happens and you throw a flag, it's like, it's uneven. I just want, I want what's fair. And you've been a part of games where you just get fucked by the refs. And you take all the evidence and you turn it into the NFL and the NFL comes

back the next week and they're like, yeah, that was a bad call. They shouldn't have called that. Or maybe they should have caught through a flag here. And you're like, dude, our whole season depends on that. And this asshole who wants to come talk to me before a game, hey, what's up, bud? How you? Fuck you, man. Like, I mean, I, I, I, that's the one thing that's the one thing that pisses me off about refs, you know, just not doing their job. Everyone else out there doing their job. Did you have any good, any one ref that you liked?

None of them or all of them are, it's, they're all bad. Fuck them all. I mean, I liked a couple of them. I talk, I would talk with a couple of them before the game. But as soon as that ball was snapped in the first court, they're on me. Hey, no, no pushing and shoving out doing that.

I'd be like, throw the flag or shut the fuck up, man. Just what, what, I'm not out here to talk to you. That's a raider. That's a raider. That's a raider. I'm not out here to talk to you. I don't want to be buddy-buddy with you. If you see it, you warn me, and then you throw the flag, and then we'll move on.

Fair enough, baby. Do business as business is being done, right, Jules? Yeah, you got to do business. That's what Bill would say. Now, fellas, we got to see how the refs are going to call it. And then you do business as business is being done. Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode.

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