Games with Names - Highlight Reel: The Art of the NFL Quarterback

Episode Date: November 30, 2025

Former NFL Quarterbacks talk about playing the position, how coaching can effect play styles, and how the game has changed in the NFLSupport the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation highlight reel starting now. Now, Brian Hoyer talks about what it was like, backing up Tom Brady. You know, New England, there's 15 personnel groups, So you have to, like, remember where you, and you change on everything. And then the formations and then all the concepts. And so for guys like us, undrafted seventh round, like, you couldn't afford to fuck up a rep.

That's right. Like, or you thought you were getting cut. And there were so little reps for us that, like, you had, it was a Super Bowl. Anytime you got a rep in practice when the big dogs were watching. That's right. I remember being in there, like late OTAs and all of a sudden out of nowhere, Bill puts me in with the first team offense. Yeah.

And I'm like, holy shit, Moss, yeah. Ben Watson, Welker, like all these guys. And I'm like, don't fuck this up. And I remember we ran like a like shake route and I hit Ben Watson up the seam. And I was like, and I was like, all right. And you almost forget like you got to go to the next play. But you were like, that was kind of a welcome the NFL moment. Here I am undrafted working my way up.

And out of nowhere wasn't planned. Yeah. You're in there with the big dogs. Yeah. I know. It's 1,000. And well, people don't, people forget. You know who the, the, the, the, the,

quarterback Hoy beat out to be the backup. Kevin O'Connell. Yeah, and coach him. He's doing a tremendous job. How about him? He's done an amazing job. I don't know how much, I mean, clearly with, Fox, you're probably staying up on this, but just seeing the behind the scenes interaction he has with his team. Yeah. Like that's the type of coach you want to play for. He's, he was always like that. He was always, I remember, because we used to hang out, me, him, slate, Wendy. Yeah. You would come in there, but it was still a little weird with the backup. You got, you know what I mean? So I had different groups, you know, and he was always really great at like the camaraderie of the group, which is so important. And the mental toughness, I don't know how it was in your guys'

room, but like he knew he wasn't better than you. I remember, I don't know if he thought, I saw it, but I don't think there was any like animosity between you guys. And that takes a lot. And that's shown in his coaching that, you know, that mental toughness to do what's best for the team. Yeah. Like, it's crazy that he just got rid of Sam Darnold who had 14 wins. I know. And that's a lot of belief in that's mental toughness. That is mental toughness. That's believing what's best for the team. That's right. What he thinks. You know what I mean? Yeah. No, it was, it was, Kevin was great. And thankfully, we still have a good relationship and talk from time to time.

But quarterback room is unique. Only one guy gets to play. You know what I mean? I think it's probably the one room where things can be really tight and really good. Or there's, there's times where it can be a little friction. You know what I mean? And you try to just, handle it the best way you can. I'm a non-confrontational person by heart. So I always want to make sure I get along with the people in the room and do the best you can to do that. No, I always explain to people what I think the role of the backup quarterback is. And I always bring it to you. Yep. Like, when Hoyer was a backup quarterback for Tom, like it's not just, okay, you got to be ready to play. It's like a shoulder for Tom to lean on, a guy that he could,

talk to with his problems, like, it's a whole different dynamic. It's like, you have to be a, you have to put so many different caps on as a backup quarterback. He's got to get the scout team going. He's got to make sure that the coaches are given the quarter. Like, there's so many communication levels. Can you explain, explain that dynamic of a backup quarterback? I mean, I look at my, my time backing Tom up in two separate eras, really, because the first three to four years, I was just learning. I mean, I look back now, Jules, and you mentioned beating out Kevin O'Connell. Like, that was the year after Tom come back from this huge ACL injury. There was no way I was ready to play. Yeah. There's just, I mean, I look back at like how little I knew, uh, where I was

fundamentally. My fundamentals weren't very good. And, uh, you know, just by good performance, I end up being the backup. But I, those first three to four years, I didn't really do much for Tom. I mean, I was just learning, just, just soaking it all in. And, um, you know, it was more like, just be ready to play and don't get in his way. Yeah. But then, you know, I go off. I play a lot of football, different teams, learn about myself as a player, get better,

and then came back in 2017. And I felt like I actually could provide some assistance to him. Like, hey, when I was playing in San Francisco, we ran this play. Or, you know, I really learned about zone coverage from Kyle Shanahan. Like, you know, this is how that Seattle 3 is trying to play. And we had a different relationship at that point, which was great. but you're right like at that point he was a little bit older remember i was practicing almost every

wednesday sometimes thursdays which was great for me because i got the reps and that made me really believe that i'd be ready to play if i had to um but it was a different role then it was more it was less like mentor learning it was more like i'm here with them and i'm helping with ideas that he's coming over the sideline what you see on that play i didn't really get asked that a lot you know first three years of my career from him you know it reminds me a lot like with with that situation it's like a head coach that gets fired that becomes a DC O.C. on a team. It's so great for that head coach that hires him to be able to bounce ideas off each other because he has experience of running the ship. He knows through his experience of different situations, which you had

that experience as a starting quarterback that you could say, hey, Tom, when we played him like this, you know, that's just such a huge help for a quarterback. Information is gold. And that's what you were when I, when I saw you as a backup. You had great information. Whenever there was like, like those Wednesday, Thursday practices that Tom, if he didn't want to, you know, if he, you know, he was getting that whatever, like the offense still clicked. We could still get work done. It wasn't like it was a fucking, we couldn't get the play call. We couldn't get the right throw. And early on, I don't know if you remember this, but there was an instant probably like first second year. Moss was still there. So it had to be first season. And it was late in November,

early December, it was cold as shit. The wind was how and we were in a stadium practice. And Tom had to take the day off. That was the playoff game. So this is the first, I know what you're talking about. That's when he fucked his thumb up. But this is like our rookie year. And Tom had to take the day off.

He was nursing to injury, whatever it was. And I went out there. I probably completed 50% of the passes. And we pull up the team meeting after practice. And Bill's like, where's Hoyer? And I'm kind of lingering in the back I walk for. He's like, how do you expect our team to have a good practice. When you come out here and completely suck it off. And I was like, oh shit. But it was literally

like one of those practices where you went to throw a go ball and the wind just carried it out of bounce. And it was not my finest moment. But that was probably one of the first times I ever had to step in for Tom. To your point, you go back and now I come back in 2017. That was what I had been accustomed to. I've been a starter in three different places. So I knew what it was like to go out and have a good practice and make sure the team kept running, which, you know, that was, it was great work for me, it was great for Tom to get the rest he needed, the recovery. And to your point, I never wanted practice to take a step down. Yeah, you can't. Was it the most Bill ever gave you something? Was that like the biggest one? I mean, there was a few in those, in those low light meetings.

There was, there was the one. Remember, Tom broke his middle finger messing around Isaiah standback before the Miami game our rookie year. And I was like, there's no way this dude's playing, like broken middle finger. But, you know, there was Alex working on it. And he ended up playing. we lost down in Miami. He threw for like 350 yards. And so the next day I was doing in Miami. I know. I was doing an event at Reebok, like a charity event. And some reporter was there was like, hey, we saw Tom's was on the injury report. Like did you think you were going to have to play? And I basically said like, look, like Tom's as tough as they come. I knew he was going to be ready to go. Blah, blah, blah. The next day in meetings, Bill's like, why don't you just let Tom speak for

himself and you just worry about yourself? Like, you don't need to, are you in his body? Do you know how his finger felt? And so, I mean, you learn. real quick. I mean, Hoy, if anyone would be in Tom's body, it would be weird. It would be Hoyer. I don't know. Look, I didn't follow him out to California. That's called a business decision, though. I already said. Look, there's not two people more who followed Tom around more than you and I. And like I said, I think it was a wise that we played forever. You, I mean, I learned so much and was able to implement it when I played, which is why I played as long as I did. You became, you know, his go-to receiver, the guy he trusted Super Bowl MVP. So

those were wise business decisions. People can hate on us all they want. Um, but I think the resumes speak for themselves and, and to your point, when, when you're an aspiring athlete, you find someone who's doing it the right way. And luckily for us, it wasn't just Tom. We had guys like Matt Light, who I know you had in here, Kevin Falk, Bruske. Yeah. I mean, so many guys that we could watch as, as young players and say, that's the right way to do it. One thousand percent. And what's it like watching film with Tom? What did you take from learning, like watching film in the quarterback room with Tom Brady that you took on when you became a starter or that you used when you were a backup or anything. How is film session with Tom Brady? It's amazing how he sees

film. You know what I mean? And as a young player, you come in and I'm like, all right, I'm going to watch this film. I'm going to watch like the offensive plays. Like, no, he's, he's watching for techniques of corners. He's like, all right, the stars inside. That's giving me the read that's going to be covered two. Now he's outside. It's going to probably be covered through. I mean, the depth of which he would watch film and the things that he would find it like I said to me that first time I backed him up was learning mode and so then when I went out and had an opportunity to be a starter of my own it gave me a good foundation of how I wanted my routine to be how like okay I know early in the week he's just going to watch a bunch of games

and then when it gets to Wednesday he's getting to cutups of early downs and then Wednesday night it's third down you know you're breaking it down you it's it's a lot to take in and then the other thing too I remember as a as a rookie I forget who we were playing I'm like oh I'm going to watch this game he's like don't waste your time with that their offense is absolutely different from ours. Like the way that the Ravens played them is going to be totally different. You've got to find teams that run a similar system to us or similar play calls. What does Garnacios say?

Do businesses, businesses, business as business as being. Fellas, same car is just different license plates. That's right, yeah, yeah. But it's funny, like, you know, for me growing up in our system, in our offense, and then the first time I went out, I played for Kyle Shanahan, completely different.

Completely. Completely different. It's playing the differences between the Charlie Weiss system that, evolved to the McDaniels, Billy O, whatever you want to call, and the West Coast system that came from Bill Walsh and his running stance, Shanahan, and all that shit. We could turn this into a four-hour show if we wanted to, but honestly, the one thing that was unique about my career was,

I played in the three family trees. There's the Earhart Perkins system. There's the West Coast, the Bill Walsh. And then there's the North Turner, kind of the Air Correel system. And I got a taste of them all. But the thing about the Patriot system, it really put the onus on the players.

right they they taught you how to react they taught you how to think for yourselves and you went out there and we had alerts we had audibles we had changed the protection change your route changing routes all of these things whereas the west coast is really you talk about they're the same what is the same license plates they're just changing the number like it's a lot of the same plays but they dress them up a lot of a different way motions motions shifts try to no groups yeah try to make the defense communicate late but really run the same place next drew blood so compares the different coaching styles that he experienced with the Patriots. You played for Parcells.

You play with Carol. You play with Belichick. How did that go? Yeah, it's interesting. What does that feel like? It's interesting because of those three and like, you know, they're all going to be Hall of Fame coaches, right?

Like, you know, so. It's crazy. They're all going to be, they're all Hall of Fame coaches. I mean, Pete's got to go in the hall. I mean, at least, you know, because when you combine the pros and the college deal

he's had a lot of success for a long time. He's had a lot of success. But three, like, you know, historically great coaches, you know, whether Pete gets in or not, I hope he does.

Pete's the one that I feel bad for in that equation. Yeah. Because he's obviously a hell of a coach. He followed Parcells in Boston. Parcells just ran the media, dude. Like, he loved being in front of the camera

and love berating these guys. And then Pete comes in and he's super competitive. I think he's a hell of a football coach, but he's positive. Yeah. And that just didn't play very well in the Boston media. And then we drafted super poorly, man.

We got a whole bunch of picks when Parcells left. And then when Curtis Martin left, we had a whole bunch of picks. And we just didn't draft very well and guys didn't work out. And so Pete ends up getting fired. Now, it worked out, you know, obviously it turns into Bill. Yeah. But just, you know, just loved Pete, great football coach.

But all three of them, they, they, they, it's all the same shit, right? You know, so like the great coaches, it's, it's all the same. same fundamentals. I only play with one coach. Oh shit. You only did. You got here. I know, it's weird. You know, I had eight coordinators in 14 years. I had two. Oh, yeah, Jesus. I had Billy O and fucking in, and McD's. He was there last night. Billy O was there last night. He was fucking awesome. Dude, I saw, I saw, I saw, I saw Billy O last night. I don't, I've only been around him like two or three times. Frigan love him. Billy O was talking about my boy Jack. Bro, and the craziest thing was, I saw him in line for

the bathroom and I was too scared to say anything. I don't think he saw me, but like when I came over this morning, you told me that, oh my God, I almost had a cow. I love Billy O. He was like, where's Jack? I'm like, I didn't know he's talking about you. I'm like, what are you fucking talking about? We're gonna go? We gotta go. I'm a BC fan now, baby. B.C. So yeah, like to, again, you know, I just, I've only known Billy O from just like watching, you know, from afar. And then we were out there, we were out there for something. And he came, He came back, got to hang out. Dude, he's funny as hell.

Funny. Yeah, dude, he likes to have a good time. But those three coaches, you know, the fundamentals of what allows each of them to be successful are the same things. They're preached the same things. You compete, you do what you're supposed to do. You're on time. You just, you know, like everything. You know, it's all the same.

It's just presented so differently. You know, Parcell's is all Jersey. He was funny as hell if he wasn't talking. to you you know what I mean like he he was he had some good material but you just didn't want him talking to you Pete was was positive he was great to be around he was fun like it was a it was a it was a fun atmosphere even though it was very competitive and then Bill's Bill you know and where it's just it's so friggin business like obviously you know works yeah but it's not fun in games no I mean

it's all business all the time You know, where with Pete, like, you could come in and, like, tell a joke or two of them, you know, chit-chat a little bit, talk about family or whatever, you know, all this kind of stuff. That doesn't fly with Belichick. Yeah. At least, at least in my experience. Unless you're a defensive player.

Oh, well, there you go, right there. He loved the defense. Next up, Doug Flewty explains the different play styles in the NFL versus the CFO. Tom Brady, a goddamn call of Canada of football. So, like, you know, it's a little different where, you know, if you're the flutes in Canada. Now, do you think that that play style a little bit more of like, kind of like the fluty magic, the running around, making plays just, you know, use your soul instead of using your brain, worked really well for you in Canada? What worked in Canada, and I, yes, you could get, the CFL game, you could get away with being an athlete. I'd say, I was thinking about this.

If Jules had gone to the CFL as a quarterback, he would have stayed a quarterback. It just would have been on. BC Lions. You know? Still got a contract to this day. Yeah. They dress.

They got your rights. They took my rights. Yeah. I bet you would have gone up as a quarterback because you could as a quarterback in that league get away being an athlete and take it off and scrambling and be competitive. The difference was because the field was wider. Wider. It was wider.

There was more space. It was like a joke. If you wanted to scramble, it was a joke. It was like, okay, it's all. I remember the first preseason game, we had slants. something and I held it and I moved to the right and went outside and kind of turned the corner I'm like holy macro I got 12 more yards you know you kind of have a muscle memory on what it took to turn the corner and stay in bounds and I got all kinds of space out there so that part of it

lent to my abilities but also I was still a pocket passer right I still did the mental part of the game and could pick things apart and all that and then when things broke down take off you know and And we'll get into the game, but we were watching this game. And Flutes is 5-9. In three-quarters. Huh? In three-quarters. Not anymore, though.

I got to be, I'm probably under 5-9 now. Honestly, I haven't measured. Everyone always says that, and I always like when people call me shorter because it's more impressive. Yes. You know what I mean? You know, it becomes a thing. Yes, no doubt. I'm 5-8, okay?

But regardless, you watch that name? Huh? Dustin Pertor is 5-2 by now. Laser show Shout out Pete But you watch this game And when you have a shorter quarterback I was a shorter quarterback

The end breaking route Like passing in the intermediate It was the hardest thing But if you watch this I mean I think you started with 13 for 13 or 12 for 12 And all the plays You're stepping up in the pocket And you're hitting guys on 20 yard in cuts

you're hitting like you had that vision which was it's you're a pocket passer i i had tom coflin as an offensive coordinator yeah at boston college for my first three years he built my discipline taught me to read coverage and so what i did make blind throws but i knew where the defenders were yeah right i find the defender you find that little window and then boom in the gap you know timing wise here he comes bang um that was you always and you brought up in routes and early in the game, we hit a couple with Gerard coming in on third downs. And they played a three deep zone, but the corner locked on with Gerard and chased his ass all the way in.

And after our first third down conversion, I go to Gerard. I'm like, was that the corner on your ass? He goes, yeah, he chased me. I go, that was his own coverage. I go, hey, next time we call that, put your foot in the ground and run a corner route. And it was a Pocono. I saw that. Yeah.

Later in the game, two huge third downs in the fourth quarter. I think. Gerard put his foot in the ground and ran the corner route. Oh, my God. It's just like he started in. The guy was chasing, boom, took off. And it's amazing to me to think that I was so relaxed at that time that I saw it, you know, that you see, you know, it's 3D zone. You're thinking, I got the post-incomity.

I'm going to go in down to the underneath route, right? It went that way. I saw that guy chasing him. Gerard saw him chasing. I waited. Boom, he went through the corner route. Meg. that's what they call a meg where they locked the guy on them it's crazy did you ever consider

changing positions when you when you left college or did people ask you to change positions because you're ridiculous athlete not when i left college but when i came to bc there were four upperclassmen ahead of me yeah gerard was my roommate he's already seeing playing time as a receiver on run situations special teams he's on the field. I'm not really on the field. My first plays to BC were punt return. I, opening day against A&M, I'm back there field and puns. You like that? But it was like, I was very close to going and saying, hey, move into receiver. Because I knew, I thought I was a better athlete than some of the guys that were on the field. I'm like, I know I can be on the field. I'm not on the field now.

And I was a step away from asking at BC to move to, because they were upper. Now, none of the guys actually Matt Ryan's uncle, John Lockery, was the original starting quarterback. He tore a tendon in his thumb. And then the other two guys got a chance to play. Didn't play well. I finally got in at a game at Penn State and lit it up and was off and running.

Ain't nobody ever want to put a flute in, but when you put flute in, you're always going to win. Now, Matt Lander describes his high expectations that he faced when entering the NFL. That's got to be crazy for you, a guy that comes from the most talented team. Probably

in college football history at those at that time to then going to team we had so we had we had we had larry and we had anquan so we had two the best ever do it um larry certainly and then and kurt was there who eventually resurrected his career um we weren't i mean we were we were we had some good players um that year we had like even my rookie year i played pretty well and we were like okay and then I hurt my AC the last game of the year against San Francisco. AC joint? AC joint. In the throwing sugar?

Yeah, and it was like mild and Alex Guerrero took care of me, but it was like grade twos, but I was, it was like, I think it was a second to last game, so, but I was playing well, whatever, and then, okay, then the off-season, and then Danny gets fired, new coaching staff comes in, and that's where, for me personally, went all downhill. So like, to get drafted there was one thing, but like showed a lot of promise, and then that second year. I was coming off the injury, so I didn't really have a good offseason. And then I was OTAs. I was finally healthy and stuff, but it just, it just was like from the get go, just this, dude. And like, you know, you've been around coaches. Like, you just, I was screwed from day one.

I felt like, and again, I didn't help myself at times, but like there was nothing I could do right. That's tough when you're, dude, it was a first round draft pick quarterback that the coaching staff gets fired who probably went on, you know, on the table for you and then all of a sudden they're bringing in someone else. And it's almost like they can't, they're like, we got to go somewhere else because it buys that coaching staff more time. Well, and we had Kurt Warner who had already won a Super Bowl. So like, two glove Kurt Warner at the time. Two gloves. Dude, I went to, dude, at one point, I went to two gloves, dude, because this dude, I was pissed. Like, so I got, I was there four years. So like year three, so year two, we split time the first six

games. I broke my collarbone out for the year. Year three, we had a duel. He beat me out. And then that's the year we went to the Super Bowl. But that was also the year where I'm like, so he was two gloves always. And I'm like, dude, you're screwing me because he would use brand new balls. And those brand new balls, I couldn't throw a brand new ball. And like, I don't have, I have big hands, but I don't have super big hands. I'm like, dude, you're going to make me go to gloves, dude, because I couldn't, like, he did not give a shit. And I try to get him like, hey, could we get some of these old balls in there and just like this so in case i have to go in and he was like yeah whatever but most of them weren't so i went to two gloves a couple of times i felt like an idiot i actually

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