Games with Names - Highlight Reel: What NFL Life is Actually Like Pt. II

Episode Date: November 16, 2025

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Okay, training camp questions. Pull back the curtain behind what life like is in training camp. now that's happening. I know it's probably a little bit different from when you played to now, but let's talk about it anyway. Do you remember your first training camp? Yeah.

What was it like the first time you walked in that building? It was like a beat for beat when you walked into the building for the first time. It's a mixed emotion. You're like, especially for a rookie,

my situation, I was seventh round draft pick, changing position. Like, I was in a different, it's different for everyone. But I could probably say it's similar for everyone that like there's a there's like a nervousness anxiety that's floating did I do enough work

in the offseason am I in good enough shape am I going to be able to make the team what's going am I going to be able to fix the six things that I didn't do in mini camps the way I really wanted to that they talked to me about like there's a lot of that going on in your head and then for me as a first rookie camp we still had double days and I was anticipating that I was going to be on like a lot of stuff and I've never really ran a lot in practice you know so like I was a quarterback you guys half the half the time you're like playing like goal line game goal post throws you know all special teams are working their nuts off or you're doing like quarterback stuff, but it was never like taxing. So I was like nervous for that. And then you also

had your conditioning test that you wanted to go in. And I always wanted to go in and turn heads. So I wanted to show them how easy it was. So you're anticipating that. There's like a lot of and then there's like I remember there's a lot of logistics. So many logistics. Schedules and we got to go over the whole rule book or like an abridged version meeting of the rules. You go over every year when you get in you take your physical you do your conditioning test and there's a team meeting i always depend if you came back early if you were a quarterback you came but you had to go to the early camp rookies early camp injured's early camp so you yeah you had to do three days before everyone else reports and then you know when you get there you do your physical it's kind of like

the first day of school everyone's got like a fresh fit on everyone's got a sun tan Someone's got bleached hair. Yeah, someone's got something. You know, there's a new car in the drive, you know, in the parking. Someone got paid. Yeah, someone got paid. Free agent, new meat. What?

New meat, free agent, big free agent. Yeah, but you've seen that you've seen, we've all seen each other. Of the mini camps and the OTAs. But this is, you know, guys bring shit. You know, you see guys bring their system because we stayed at a hotel. Roommate or no roommate? Rookie year roommate. Okay.

Who's your roommate, rookie year? Who's my rookie year? I had, I had a, he was a guy that was like in his third year, but he was bouncing around the league. He had a hyperbaric chamber. I forgot his name. That's sick. Yeah, he had a hyperbaric chamber in the living room.

I asked if I could use it. He let me use it for a little. Did it work? Didn't feel a thing. But you report and then you have to do your conditioning test. And when we do our conditioning test. Is that day one conditioning test? Day one.

Okay. Yeah, this is after the. physical. Once you've been cleared for your physical, there's like a lunch and then there's the conditioning test. Now when we do our conditioning test, everyone in the organization would be out on the conditioning field to watch. I'm talking personal scouts or the personnel scouts, the college scouts, every football coach. There's like 200 people associated with team all with their little fucking notebooks all like giving you mean mugs like the start of the season's about to start you know and so a lot of you get a lot you get anxiety from that you know

you're sitting there especially when it's your first few times doing it you're like oh fuck ownership or mr crafts out there fucking walking around you know everyone's there they want to see what who you know what I mean yeah and so you do the conditioning test and then after that's done And you have a team meeting, you go through all the rules. And so you basically, you know, you go over, you're late, you know, it's $5,000. If you miss a day unannounced or unexcused, it's $20,000. If you're over your report weight, each pound, it's $562 each day, it's over. So if that's two pounds, Bill would go to someone, what's the math of that?

You know, what's that? It'd be like some, you know, it's $1,200 bucks, coach. Right. $1,200. Like, he would do that, right? And then he'd go, every year he would go in and he would talk about, look, if it burns, you can't have it in the hotel room. Don't be coming here with your incense, your fucking candles.

if it burned, like we could never burn anything inside the hotel. Clearly didn't know smoking. So like, you know what I mean? But like if it burned. So what are going to?

And then after the Matt Light thing, remember everybody brought a crossbow on? We would go over. I didn't realize it was because of Matt Light. He would go over that rule. He can't gamble on NFL facilities. You can't have a weapon. anywhere on an NFL facility and it says guns but he'd be like and light that means crossbows

slingshots he would give like all these examples swords don't be fucking you can't have like it would it would be like any dudes ever bring like animals like a pet or anything like someone's got like a tarantula they bring the lineman brought a duck and put it in donald's locker and it lived there for like three days and i think nate sold or took the duck and raised it. And the duck is somewhere still alive, I think. Amazing. So we go over all the rules.

And so you get there at like eight. The conditioning test is at like one. This meeting is at like four. And so they would schedule all this stuff so you couldn't leave the facility, but you had downtime at the facility. So you're basically there all day. and then you go over like expectations coaches vision of the team

and then you break up OD and you get into like all right this is what we're installing for tomorrow and then it fucking just jumps into it yeah backtrack real quick it's no secret that NFL players participate in weed so who where were guys going to smoke or are they just doing non-smoking ways or like would they go in car like take rides or like how do that work no one would smoke at the hotel okay but you you had flexibility it's not like you were like lockdown going from like hotel to facility no and also guys had houses like we had a i had my

house was like on the way we just go to the house for but you had curfew so you had to sleep so we go to if we had like a two hour break we go play ping pong at my house for got 45 to an hour now do guys just absolutely resent having to go to hotels when they live nearby yeah was it nice to just be hey we're in camp let's fucking start let's be here yeah i mean it's just part of it Yeah, I don't, you know, it was kind of nice to get focused, to signify the start. Yeah, you didn't have to like worry about shit. You didn't, you know what I mean? It kept the, kept the main thing, the main thing.

You didn't have to worry about clothes, this, that. I mean, you did, but. Just less. It was just like less. Less distractions. Yeah. Yeah. And when did you guys move out of the hotel?

Dude, I remember being like five weeks or something. That's a lot. It used to be long. Now they're only there for like two weeks. Were the beds at least nice? They set them up nice. shout out residents in they're all right

yeah not like your home bed I think I brought a mattress by like your six seven eight now people always ask

I'm sure with training camps like what's the worst part of training camp but what's the best part like what's something that like people don't realize is like fun or something you look forward to

with regards to training camp uh best Best part of training camp is, you know, the excitement of the start. It's the start of the season. You know, the crowds out there. You know, you've been in OTAs. You've been in mini camps and it's just the team there.

You go out there and you get to feed off the energy of the crowd. The first, like, five days or four days are like, all right, yeah. And then after that, it just becomes a grind. And you start getting tired, like, not you're tired of it. You get beat up when you start introducing pads and when you used to hit a lot more. you know it was tough like i remember in my early part of my career with the double days it was run in the morning passes in the afternoon uh you had your sleep rooms like guys would take naps there's like designated rooms with a bunch of mattresses and you'd be like a fucking vietnamese

opium den and you'd have like 18 7 foot freaking athletes hanging off a bed trying to get in 35 minutes asleep before the next practice because it's 82 degrees, 88 degrees with fucking 90% humidity in Boston. I mean, it was, it's just a grind. And what makes it really hard is that you have to focus when you're tired. Yeah. It's like, it's like Hell Week. I mean, not like how week. Hell Week is way worse like with the Seals, but like having to go in and after when you're a young player and you were on everything, you had to go balls of the walls, both. practices every day but then you had to go in and install at night for the next day and you had to um correct things from that practice the early practice to the second

practice it was like you had to be on when you were dying like you know tired and mentally exhausted from you know the amount of stuff that you're doing and it's all new you You know, you didn't want to fuck up your hair pin turn on fucking special teams and or the three plays that they installed for kickoff that day. And then you had, you know, an additional NASCAR sheet that you had to remember for the five terms that you could use for the conditioning the next day. Like it was just a lot of like, a lot of like studying. Yeah. And when you're tired. Yeah.

Mental stamina. Mental stamina. Yeah. And that's where, you know, guys would not make the team is when they'd, fuck up their formations or they would be slow and not do something on that, you know, we went over. Like, that's part of this process. Training camp is essentially, it's a race to who could be the best and most effective

prepper going into the season, meaning who knows how to install their shit? Who knows how to practice effectively? Who knows how to get all their plays ran in practice without having to fuck it up and start over a program? You know, who can take the, you know, the drill. the best and and which coaching staffs can come up with the drills that'll put these guys in situations for ball security like it's a race who can prepare the best that's what it is now um do you ever lose your playbook or ever see anyone lose their playbook no no you don't

i wouldn't i would only bring my playbook to like my house or like you weren't i wasn't carrying it around to fucking the Red Sox. You had binder and then transition to iPad. So I started off three inch binder and then like I think in 2011, 12, like my fourth or third year, we started going to the iPad. Okay. And it used to be, you know, now the iPad is the best because it has the library of all your cutups and coaches can just send you.

All right, guys, we got a 30 play cut up of their DBs here. you know before that you know i have probably 800 CDs that you you could go into the film guys and say hey can i get those cutups code in or coaches would distribute yeah you know all right watch this for tomorrow's practice we're going to go over it in this you know what i mean so like the ipad is such a technological fucking advance there yeah because it just makes it i mean but you know a lot of the older guys that came from the binders even when we had the iPads would stay binder, like Brady would stay binder. There's something about having something tactile that you can write on and you have a pencil

and you can flip through, but I can see the simplicity of an iPad that it's all fucking there. Yeah. It's just also, you know, the, everyone prepares differently and like some people need to be pen on paper because they, by the time, you could even highlight the plays on the fucking iPad. Because you get your sheets of plays all drawn out. and I always used to like to go over them with my highlighters and my spots and color coat made my shit

like the X was always a red or you know the Z was always the yellow the pink was the other you know what I mean and I would do all my and then in the coaching point with the coach would say it just sometimes jotting it down was I used to jot still yeah but I used my iPad

for the film the film it was like the best yeah just it's all of it yeah did you ever see any guys and maybe this didn't happen to England but do you ever see any guys maybe play up injuries or a little bit to get a little bit of like maybe some veterans just not have to be participate as much or like any little little games like that to just kind of conserve energy we were pretty good with that yeah i remember when i i broke my thumb bobby balls one of my ball guys i was doing i was i was i was i think i was rehabbing

rehabbing my shoulder I think and I was running routes and I was on PUP and like I broke my thumb doing ball drills and like they kind of I was trying to get back and they kind of were like let's just like at that point of my career

they're like we need you in fucking January we need you in September right now can you like you know what I mean so like there's a lot of that and you know there's always I the game is the like the guys that barely make the team that whole injury stuff that's and I I was on that game but like I was never it's you know do you cut a guy to put them on or do you medical red shirt or do you you you you put them on I are there's a bunch of those things that

play yeah I don't I didn't I was never a part of I kind of know but whatever you ever see any out of out of the blue kind of cuts or roster moves that like the team kind of was like oh shit like yeah there was always there's always like there was always a joker maker like a joker card or what do they call that there was always like a just one there was always like a surprise make every year yeah but you guys like a logan making like the most traded or when you were there for a while you knew who the guys were going to like you could tell by You could tell by performance, how coach is talked,

attitudes of certain players, willingness of certain players, rep distribution to those players after doing well in certain things, maybe in a completely different aspect of the game, but you see them get rewarded, take advantage. You could see that stuff. So like a fan might see, oh, that guy got trainer, that guy got cut. A fan could also see, like, you know, a guy that has.

like a billion catches, but half of them were like not really, you know what I mean? So there wasn't any like big surprise moves because when you're plugged in, you understand the patterns, you understand how it's going. It's nothing comes out of the blue. It took me like four or five years to realize. Yeah.

You know, every, but before that, I was like, oh my God, we traded Richard Seymour? Yeah. Oh, God. Logan Manx is gone? Oh, what? We cut this guy? Yeah.

You know what I mean? because you never know what they're trying to build the team for, you know what I mean? And you don't know how, because our team was always different because we wouldn't, it's like standard. All right, you usually always keep six receivers,

or you keep five running backs, you know what I mean? I remember one year, like we had like four receivers going, like we cut down to four receivers because we, there's also the free agency game of the other teams that your personnel department's been eye in and scanning to see who's let go in that world.

Yeah. So it's like an ongoing thing. Yeah. What's the biggest, like, faux pa or fuck up you've seen a rookie do? I mean, anytime, like, an undrafted guy or a rookie, like, is late to something, I'm like, I would just turn them off. That means you don't think this is serious enough. Because I remember, like, I literally, for a preseason game when I was, like, balling already,

I remember I lost the keys to my car and this was for a preseason game for the meeting that I knew I wasn't playing in I lost the keys to my car and it was when I lived in Foxborough and we had a new neighbor and I had all the all that my neighbors were players that were already at the facility

you were like on an island and there was no Uber and so I'm literally on an island I went to a person's house I had no clue of my this new neighbor I said hey I know this is kind of crazy but I have 22 minutes to get to a place it's going to take me 15 minutes to go through now you're going to say it's going to be 30 but with the way you'll drive with me in the car we're going to be good on cops will you take me to my team meeting and this person literally yes I

they took me they only lived that house for like they left but you make it out on time? I made it on time. One minute. I came sprinting in. Chattyo goes, bro, you could have just told me. I would have fucking told you we're good. Like sweating bullets. I think I already had a Super Bowl. Couldn't you just ride your bike?

Well, no, the, the, you can't because it was so it's, we used to stay like in share, uh, wall, wall, wall, wall, or Sheraton, shareton, four points. Oh, okay. I got it wasn't, uh, it wasn't, uh, It wasn't pace into, yeah, it wasn't, okay. Different hotel. Okay, I got you. I mean, I went through it.

Well, shout out to your neighbor knew who you were and you were and you were able to be like. I don't know. Yeah, they did. Yeah. They did. Shout out them. Shout out them. What's the biggest, um, improvement you saw someone, like maybe a rookie or an undrafted person.

One of the biggest improvements I ever saw was, was James White. Really? And it was, it was not just from training camp, but it was from, from, like, his first year to his second year. Like, we, he didn't, I think he was on IR or something. He didn't play much as rookie year. I think we won a Super Bowl. What year was his rookie year?

He was drafted in 2014. He's a fourth-front pick out of Wisconsin. Yeah. But he was on that team, so he has three Super Bowls, but I don't know how much he played his rookie year. He played three games, yeah. Yeah, and then he went on IR. Yeah.

And then... No, he didn't play any games. Yeah, he didn't play any games. Yeah. And so when I remember, I remember watching him come back from year two. He looked like a different football player. Like, because he was in that program.

When you're not playing, say you're on practice squad or you're hurt, like they have a whole different life. They live with like the weight staff, those guys. And they're like breaking these guys and training these guys, like college style training where they have to wake up early get their workout the run before

they have to do all the like the football stuff with the team like they work the fuck out of those guys and a lot of those guys that don't bitch and complain about it that take advantage of it a la James White go on to be a lot better because of it and he is the prime example

of that someone who didn't fucking bitch or moan when he was a fourth round draft pick and didn't like really play his rookie year was going on of a team that went on to win a Super Bowl with Shane Verene who caught 13 got damn passes or whatever record receptions yeah you know we like Kim go because of James you know and then you know James did what he did but like seeing him develop and progress was like man he he worked his fucking balls off no no what are some like fun moments

from training camp things maybe coaches did this fine I know you guys would go see movies yeah we go see movie they'd break it up we do like a team movie I got to see what movies We did a lone survivor We did lone survivor And Walberg came and talked to the whole team And they they rent out a theater And get all the snacks and stuff for the boys

Unlimited Which is it's so fun When you have that like surprise Yeah Not you know what I mean Now it's like every four days You have a day off Yeah

In training camp That would be after like nine days of grinding Maybe 11 You'd make a lineman Try to catch a punt anytime you got to miss a meeting or like there is a team thing where we all had to come together

to like get out of meetings that was the best thing in fucking in football. Rookie skits. Like I, like, the older you get, the more you need the rookie skits because it becomes repetitive.

I've heard verbatim these same meetings for, you know, 9, 10, 11, 12 years. No firearms. Got it. Thank you. Or, you know, you're literally repeat.

repeating what coach says before he says it. You know, and so like the rookie skits are always just a great breakup. And then you get to also learn your teammates, who's funny of these guys, who thinks they're a little too full of himself of these guys, who's like got no heart when it comes, like you learn a lot through these rookie skits, you know?

Yeah. Who's just a straight killer that, like, wants nothing to associate with this, but plays so good that you're like, okay, fuck it. you know what I mean yeah it puts himself out there to be a part of the team even though they don't like it yeah it's it those are those are the fun things the movie was great um we did a paintball thing once cool was that OTAs or regardless we did a paintball thing

where we went as a team and paintballed which was fun that's fun uh we used to go to like the bowling alley at a Patriot place a bunch yeah uh lucky strike or yeah and anytime like we'd have our family We'd have, like, family days or, like, you got off meetings early, and they'd barbecue and they'd bring in all the floaties for the kids. I remember Lily at a young age, getting to bring her, and they'd put them all in the stadium for the kids, and they're running around, and I'm just sitting there like, man, that's so, that had to be so fun as a kid, you know what I mean?

Like, yeah, core memories for kids to see that stuff. Yeah, those are, those are, and then, like, you know, just the best thing, you know, like, when you're, you're, those, those days when, when you're older, when practice finished, it was like the best, but it changed on why throughout your career. You know, it was the best because you're shot, you're tired. Like, they used to work you and it was hot. You know what I mean? And it was full go, full pad. And then, you know, when you're younger, it's just like to go out and getting like the line faster for food or you know like get a sleep bed you know by time you're older it's you get to see your little kid come run on the field and you know you get to go

engage with the fans and go engage with a lot of the Patriots Foundation organizational people which you know it seems after a long-ass day of work it's you know it's a lot but it was always gives you a perspective afterwards. So, you know, and it also gives you the memories. I remember being that kid going at the training camp for the Niners or the softball games for the Niners.

And, you know what I mean? Like, those, that's the fun stuff. Getting there early. I love that. The process, the work. The process. Now, it fucking sucked. And it was a grind.

I hated it. Yeah. Like, you hate it. hate it, but you love it and you need it. Yeah. You know, it's kind of like when you're a parent and your kid has a cough. Yeah. You know that they don't like the taste.

I have to pin like my kid down to take the cough medicine. She's like, oh, I can't hear that. But when the cough goes away, they hate it. Yeah. They hate the taste, but the cough goes, it becomes effective. They're like, oh, yeah. Yeah. It's kind of the same thing, like that hill when we have to run that fucking hill.

How many times up and down the hill you think you've run? I mean a lot. Probably in the thousands. Thousands. If you think about it, we'd do like seven, six after practices, no off season. You can count that up. So that's 600 in one season-ish.

You're saying, I don't know, a lot. Was there any sort of like, this is the last question, any sort of like ritualistic thing you guys would do to signify the end of training camp? Like when I play, we did doubles. When doubles were over, we'd go eat our face. with China buffet. Shut up Moncrack football. They're dead now. But like we just like eating China buffet was like the end of camp and now we're going. It's like anything you guys would do like ritualistically that would be like, okay, camp's over. Now we're fucking in.

There used to be the craft party. Okay. In the cape. In the cape. Yeah. But it. It was always a little tricky because sometimes there'd be a guy. There'd be a guy that didn't make, there'd be a guy that would go to the party and that got cut. Because it's like a more of like a like would be like a ring thing too or no it's more of like the the final team okay goes to not the final team but like it's like the start to the season when in theory you're supposed to have your final team in the books but we always had like moving parts guys get cut bring guy in yeah so like that was always like uh you could tell who thought they were comfortable in making the team is who would show up to that party but there were a couple times where there'd be some guys

getting knocked at the party. I think. Yeah. But that was kind of like the last, because your family is again, we're there. Yeah. Is training, I don't keep saying last one, but actually last one. How is training camp different the year after a Super Bowl

versus just a regular training camp? Yeah, there's a difference because anyone who's new on the team thinks that they're a part of it. Okay. And I don't realize how hard it is to get there. And then there's a learning curve. before that. And then there's also, you know, there's different situations for each year, you know, sometimes guys are banged up going into it. Guys get emotional, I was emotional,

you get emotionally drained sometimes after a long period of success. Yeah. Like, the training camps is like what clears the cobwebs. And Bill did a great job of that. And the coaching staff did a great job of that of always keeping us, you know, some would say a little too good of a job at that of keeping us level minded. Yeah. Next up, how NFL players actually choose their agents. This is Maureen from Texas. My question is for Julian. How does finding an agent work?

Do they find you? Do you go and look for them? Do they get paid when you get paid? Who do you know to trust? So that's my question. I like the podcast. It's really good, informative, and positive. Thank you.

Lauren from Texas How do you get your agent Well I'll give you my experience I was coming out of Kent State So I didn't I I didn't have a lot of agents pursuing me But my coach Doug Martin

Was represented By Ian Dubin sports at the time They do a lot of coaches too right Yeah they and Dubin do have a lot of coaches Yeah they have they have coaches And I uh I met with a few other agents, and they were all, I mean, you could tell there were some swindly dudes. Like some dude from Pittsburgh.

I'm talking East West Swindley. So a little different, you know, like some Uncle Buck vibes. Wait, what's East West Swindley? Midwest. Midwest. Midwest. Did I say East West? Yeah.

Gotcha. I thought you're talking about the shrine bowlers. I was thinking about the shrine, damn. It's just swindily business. And then, you know, my coach put a word in to, you know, my, my coach put a word in to, to Ian Dubin or something, Don called me and basically gave his pitch

and they flew me out to L.A. And so that's how I signed with them. So if you're a high talented guy out of college, there's guys coming at you all day. And back in the day before the guys were getting paid, the agents, which my agents were like, like regular type dudes, like low-key agents.

And that's kind of how I liked it. You know, I didn't want the flashy. this kind of there's agents that you know back in my day they would give guys a bunch of money so like they could get their car or whatever while they're training it was basically a loan that they had to pay back once they got their money from their signing bonus which i don't i didn't do that but that's what i've heard used to be done and then like the agent would pay for the living the they would pay for the training which you know for three months that's 50 60s

grand you know so that you get a loan from your your agent and and if or it you know they could do there's some guys that'll eat that cost because if they have a first round guy they're going to make you know millions of dollars so like i don't know how they pitch it to certain guys but there was there was deals within deals on how you got your agents back in the day now it's changed completely nowadays because these guys are getting agents pitched at them out of high school You know, because there's agencies that represent athletes that have divisions that represent NIL. So now, you know, they'll send over their NIL department, get these kids younger, and then feed them into their, you know, the big system of who they are. You know, you got the Rosenhaus.

You got the other big one, the CA, you know, there's five or six big ones. And then you got like these mom and pop shop agents, you know, and I wouldn't put. My agency in that because they got some big, I mean, my agent's. Like boutique, but they've got, yes. They didn't have a boatload of guys and they had a certain amount of different types of guys. You know, so that's how you get agents, I guess, when you're a pro. Get connected. You know, they start coming to practices.

Now, what else is an agent providing for you besides just like the standard contract negotiations? So on field They're doing all the on like the negotiation talks between the club and you Okay So the GM or whoever handles the personnel on the on the team They'll call your agent anytime or if you want to have something said you could you could have your agent call and do that So there's a good buffer system okay for business Mostly business nothing on the field none of that kind of stuff it's mostly just like now off the field

your agent also can get you like in commercials they can get marketing stuff shoe deals but also you know there's different agencies for different type things so like when I was playing I had my football agent with Trousie and Dubin they handled everything on the field and they would get they would get me stuff off the field but I had multiple people getting me stuff off the field at that time, I had like a fashion agent person that was like when I was doing stuff with Joe's jeans and McCartage and, you know, doing all this, you know, fashiony type stuff or, or appearance type fee or designing something. Like, I had an agent for that. So then they would get a cut of whatever they brought me from there. And then I had, you know, a TV agent, which was a different agent than

my Indian Dubin agent, which was a different agent than the fashion agent. You know, so there's, There's multiple different agents, which I like to do it like that. You know, there are, there are people, there are house, like, you can go to companies that have one that does it all. Soup to nuts, yeah, the big boys. Yeah. Did, like, Ian Dubin put you in touch with the fashion and the entertainment people, or did you kind of do that on your own?

A little bit of both. Okay. You know, they would look for my interests and they would put me, like, I think they got me, yeah, got me into a fashion wheat or something, you know what I mean? That makes sense. Yeah. friends there and you know that's it's just a lot of networking and then you find and then you know yeah so multiple different agents for these athletes and especially now you have social media managers

yeah i had a whole different department that was you know doing that you know so like there was multiple different kind of so-called agents it's not just one guy now for your like the main contract agents. They're taking, what, 3% off of, like, gross or after tax? Like, what are they, how do they actually get paid? So your, your agent on the field, the standard is usually 3% of what you get, your, you're on the field, uh, contract. Okay.

Now, there are guys that negotiate that down that get huge deals. Yeah. You know what I mean? They, they can negotiate. I'll sign with you, give me one, if you do it for one percent. Or now you're even seeing. guys do it on their own. Yeah.

All, uh, you know, uh, Lamar Jackson. Yep. Now, if they get you something that's not associated with the team, that's off the field, not your contract for playing with the team. A Tostitos commercial. A Tostitos commercial. And they usually would take like 10% of what you, it would be. Okay.

So they would get 3% of what you're on field, what you were getting through the team for playing for the team. And then they would get 10% of anything they brought you. off the field. And that's at usually 10 to 15, 20 range. There's that, that, that range. And that comes from a lot of different people. You know, 10, it's usually 10.

But, you know, you get up into those model worlds and stuff. Because, you know, like you dip over and you've done some stuff for that, that market. You get, like, those agents, they take like 50% from, like, it's crazy. So, like, there's a whole. Each industry is a little different. Sure. And I'm sure the size of each contract matters on the size of each what...

Sure. That agreement's between, you know what I mean? And with like the entertainment business, there's the managers, there's agents, there's even lawyers sometimes take a percentage. Yeah. So your agents are usually a one-stop shop so you don't have to do like in Hollywood. Yeah. It's all there.

It's all in one. Yeah, your sport agent handles the team. So, like, you don't have, like, in Hollywood, they're the lawyers that are doing the legality work. They're also doing the negotiation. They, you know, so, like, there's, in sports, it's a little different than Hollywood. Do you know anything? And I know that you don't probably not experience it from your career. But it's always fascinating to me that, like, teams, let's say a player is requesting a trader wants to get moved, that, like, teams let an agent of a player seek out deals.

Do you know anything about their I've never been in that Yeah I thought that was peculiar Interesting that a front office would like Well I mean an agent Go look for some deals and speak on their behalf The agents they have guys on every team

So you know they have relationships And that's what the that's the value Of having an agent Is the relationship That they have with teams If he has a guy on that team You know and he does good business with that guy You know then the team's going to be more lean

You know what I mean? Yeah And it's just that that's, that, that was the whole thing when we were talking about Lamar's negotiation, like, there was no relationship between each side and each side, which is, you know, that it's, it's just new. That's why it was looked at differently. Yeah. It got done. But he also used a lawyer. He did it more of like a Hollywood contract.

You'd get your own deal and your lawyer like irons at all that. So that's what he kind of did. He did it at, so like in Hollywood, right? You get your agent gets a fee, your manager gets a fee. And then there's a lawyer that tightens everything up and gets, you know what I mean? I think he kind of handled it like that without the others. He just, you know, did the deal, which, you know, looking back, if I knew what I knew now, sick Frank on him.

I wouldn't sick Frank on him, but I would, you know, I would know how to do a deal. Yeah. And I would just have a lawyer tighten it up. Yeah. and go over, you know, and the legality talk and, you know what I mean? All you have to have is your lawyer. You know what, like, you know, now, but like, and maybe Lamar does now through that experience, which, you know, that could be huge going forward for him in his life.

Like, that could be major. He's a pioneer, you know? Honestly. Everyone thinks everyone's crazy with the first time they do shit. Hey, man, Trailblazer. Because I was like, man, he's crazy. You don't got an agent. What's 3% of them?

That's a lot of money for that contract. But it's also, you know, it's a. convenience cost. Sure. It's more for your mind. You know what I mean? You're paying that cost to let them do

their work so you can keep your mind on football. Because we're, you know, at heart, you're paying the people to give you the convenience so you can work on your craft. You know what I mean? That's why I always had a team

of people when I was playing. Like, let them worry about everything, have someone find someone you can trust really go over that and then you know so you can keep the main thing the main thing is everything grows if you do well on the field yeah no matter what like i was talking to young guys at the patriots practice and i was thinking about i was like whatever your goal is as a professional athlete like when you're on this team the process is all

whatever it is the process is still the same whether it's to be the best player whether it's to be the best teammate whether it's to make the most money whether it's to be the most famous I like all those whatever your goal is to get to the best of that you have to do the same shit so you might as well do the shit and realize that those all grow

when you do the shit I don't know if that he if you are performing on the field will trickle down to all of the stuff. Everything, which ultimately comes down to that practice. That's why that practice means so much. Because, you know what I mean? You put so much time and effort in to get your body as explosive as it possibly can.

Now you have these certain amount of reps that you have before you go into pads. Every rep is freaking important. Like you said, it starts with keeping the main thing, the main thing. So many of these guys, like you want to get. get over their skis and do media and social media and... Well, you're always... You know what I mean? It's good to lay that foundation.

It's good to lay a foundation. Right, but like before you've done any, you know what I mean? But you also can tell, like, what guy's goals are through... You know what they are. When we were selling your t-shirts back when you were playing, like you could have put the best design on the planet out. And if you get hurt or if you don't perform well or if you don't win a Super Bowl, it doesn't matter.

Or if you could put out the whatever design after Super Bowl, it's just how it goes. When the main thing's the main thing, the other stuff follows. And then you just got to worry about the head coach of New England coming up to you in the lunchroom and cornering you trying to negotiate deals right then and there. 1,000%. You call, like, Dubin right after that. Hell yeah, I ratted his ass out.

He said, you know, we don't need to have the ages involved here, you know. And he didn't need to use the scooper for the trill mix. He goes like this. Bill goes like this. He goes, look, like you say something to your agent. I say something to Casario They say something Like there's so many fucking people

Like we could just do this ourselves Like he literally You say something to your agent He says something to Casario Casario says something to He's like late that's what he's laid out I'm like nice try buddy I was like coach I just

I just let my agent do this I'm dumb football player I play stupid with Well, he knows He knows He knows He knows everything about me That old New England football coach

Fucking guy Yeah, we don't talk about him We'll bleep that name Until he comes in this motherfucker Until his Until he's right here on this goddamn couch We're bleeping his name Now what NFL media training

Is really like What is like media training like in the NFL? When you get drafted At least when Iowa Was getting drafted still believe they still have it you go to a rookie symposium now undrafted guys don't go but all the draftees they go to a symposium and it's a seminar that breaks up into classes and workshops and a lot of like game type learning activities in order to like inform guys about the wealth they're about

to come into how to deal with agents how to deal with the media I'm sure you're sure nowadays, they probably have a workshop or a station that's about social media because it's such a big impact. And it kind of walks these guys through the introductory stages of what it's like being in the NFL with all these responsibilities. Is that where Chris Carter tells you get a fall guy? Yeah, yeah. That's where Chris Carter is a legendary moment. He's got to get a fall guy. So media has worked into that. Okay. Now, it's also broken down. Each team, with all their rookies, usually the rookies have a certain amount of hours that they could be at the facility to learn rookie stuff. So like after organized team activities or mini camps or even

training camp, two days a week, the rookies have to stick around for a presentation of whatever that theme is for that day. And sometimes it would be media, how to handle the media. um in new england we used to have we used to have one of the generals i don't i don't he he was the guy who handled the media he was in the navy he handled the media immediately after nine eleven for the white house oh wow he would come in and teach us basically how to deflect how to dictate and how to take control of an interviewer when you're being asked a question. How do you do that? Well, whatever someone answers or asks you, you can answer however you want.

Right. And there's also deflection things where you don't, you know, we always had like keywords where ask Coach Belichick, you know, if we got uncomfortable, if we didn't know what to say. You had like outs. Outts. We had outs. And the only reason we would do. this and we would do these little media

teachings or handlings or seminars is because we didn't want the media to be a distraction and you know I know Bill gets a terrible rap for how he handles the media but like that's just strategic so he doesn't give anything to the media right that other guys sometimes do yeah like if you listen to a head coach going into a game sometimes They'll give you the first goddamn 15 plays they're going to run

because they're going to tell you, we've been emphasizing this, we do this, this, this. And it gives you a little advantage if you're listening, you know what I mean? So, or if you listen to a guy, I'd say, hey, you know, this whole week we've been working on our drop back pass game because we feel like, all right, so fellas, put your antennas up. They got some drop back pass that we're going to be seeing.

You know what I mean? It's stuff like that that can be used as an advantage. for your opposing team. So that's how why Bill would bring in certain people like this guy who deflected everything after 9-11. And he would just show us little techniques.

But that's why he would do it because we didn't want to, A, give anything to the opponent. B, we didn't want to make any distractions because football and pro football for an athlete and a coach is hard enough. It's fucking hard to win the National Football League. Okay, now try doing it when you have

a spy gate, a fucking a murder a fucking deflate like then it makes it even crazier because all you're being asked after that point is about that specific thing so it becomes distraction and that's something that happened because of how maybe someone handled it in the media you know so we were just always taught that like we're here to get better and because that's ultimately what we're really there to do you're not lying and you're not just given a line that's literally what the focus should try to be like when you ask someone about an injury okay if you go out as a player and you say well you know I think I'll be back in six weeks okay comes back in four

weeks oh well the doctor didn't know what he was saying is he ready is he ready is he not comes back in four weeks and gets hurt again oh was it too soon all right he says six weeks it takes eight weeks oh what the was there a setback was there a setback was the the rehab terrible oh he's not healing so you know why would we go out and say that because all you're going to have to do is answer about that again so like that's what you know getting better each day and in the injury thing the whole injury answer that you always hear is because that's the honest truth you don't want to put a deadline on something that you have to be accountable for when you don't really know how your body's going to react because yes that's what it is for standard but

you could be either above or below the standard on that specific injury. So, like, there's just a bunch of ways that we were taught, literally taught on how to handle the media through, you know, multiple different ways, you know, with the team, with the NFL, our team, individual team was a little, like, a little more about it. And that was just so we didn't make a distraction, which is an oxymoron considering what's going on in North Carolina. What were some of your favorite, like, deflections or, like, go-to, like, out phrases?

My favorite was always just ask Bill. Ask Bill. Yeah. So if I'm like, oh, Brady's been hurt, is he going to be, there's whispers if he's going to be playing, do you have any information on that? You just go. Well, on that, I would speak, Mark, there was a set of lines. Speak for yourself. Okay.

Put the team first. Don't believe the hype, ignore. Like, there's all these little things. So if I'm not, I can't, I can't speak for. for Tom, you can go ask Tom. Go ask Tom. You don't want to speak for someone. So that was something that he would always talk about. Give me another one. Let's try it again. Look like you got a little banged up on that third and seven catch out there.

How are you feeling? You know, it's after a game. We were all banged up after a game. You know, we'll go in this week and try to get our body back to the best we can. You know, it's going to be against another new tough opponent. But it was good to get out of here with a win and get that play in. You know, after games, we all, we're all banged up. There's a lot of controversy surrounding the most recent wide receiver signing. A lot of people saying that it shouldn't have signed this guy amidst everything he's got going on off the field.

Can you tell us how it's going in the wide receiver room? Look, you'd have to ask coach on that. I'm just here to worry about improving myself. All I keep hearing is if we all individually improve ourselves collectively will improve as a team. So I'm just taking Coach Belichick's words and I'm trying to improve myself. you can ask coach on that. You just lost 43 to 7. Second straight loss.

What needs to change around here? We need a new fucking coaching staff. This place's fucking son. You know, it's tough to win the National Football League. You know, we got to get back to the little things. It all starts with practice. So I'm sure that we're going to have, you know, a good week of practice this week to give ourselves our best opportunity to go out and win.

to practice better. Were there ever, we just did a fun little role play exercise there. Was there ever like a practice role play with you guys like before this season? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Bill would be like, Bill would literally call like the rookie guy. Like, all right.

Now, rookie, how fast are you going to be? You just got hurt. How many weeks are you out? And the guy, if he was listening, Bill, he'd be like, yeah. I don't know. day to day day you know what you'd be like you passed yeah

it was always so much easier for the defense as usual always were there reporters that were a little bit more safer than other reporters what do you mean like Mike Reese knows the deal and he's not going to come in and try to stirs you yeah you kind of knew

just through yeah local beat reporters versus national reporters you know what I honestly I think the local people in Austin have always been, like, I was always pretty decent with all of them. I feel like I never felt like none of, I never had a bad instant where I felt like someone was out to get me or, you know, I understand, if you understand what they're trying to do and what they have to do, and sometimes you don't because it's right after a game and you're emotionally, physically, mentally exhausted,

but their livelihood is to try to report on your team. And this reporting essentially is what makes our sport our sport, you know, giving the media access to the players, which the fans are granted. And that's what it makes the thing go. So it's hard to understand that as a player sometimes. But I felt like we were, everyone was pretty, I mean, there's guys, I felt pretty decent with everyone. We were also a decade into like the Belichick regime. They kind of all knew the deal. You know, we had a lot of media in our locker room always. but it would get heated up when we would play in the playoffs

and, you know, when you get the people that are coming from the other cities that we don't play very often, how they would ask questions would be different. Yeah, like the cowboys are in town. Yeah, like they don't know how

we handle our meat, you know what I mean? So, but I felt, you know, Boston gets this whole rap of, you know, their sport talk is crazy. The radio is. The radio is, but we didn't see those people in the day-to-day locker room you know like the people that were all the beat writers and stuff i remember when fucking ian rappaport was a little beat writer like ian was in there's a bunch of the guys on the on the on the on the tv now that are all like yeah big tv guys they all

started doing this shit you know and and they hustle they're hustlers they're in there every day trying to make a fucking story and you got to think about that and it you know it's not our job to give them a story but it kind of is no it's true so it's like when you understand that relationship in the give and take and you're right what they provide to the game it's changes the whole perspective how you know and it is it is hard for an athlete after you get your teeth kicked in and you lose a crazy game and and you know they got to ask the questions but it is hard to answer or answer questions that you think at the time are stupid right but it you know what I mean it's it's part of it and I think that the media you're know there's a lot you could tell that there's a lot more media training now for sure and you think about a city i mean i'm a homer for sure but like you think about boston what other city has two 24-hour sports networks two news big major newspapers with like hall of fame level columnists insane sports radio that like is i mean like making you got there's probably like some of the

highest paid yeah like three there's like chicago has that probably new york probably has that Dallas just for football Yeah but Dallas doesn't have the network They don't have netting they don't have like NBC sports Boston to that capacity like do they not I don't think so New York I think New York yes Well they have their own

Yeah New York does for sure But it's just it's I feel like the Like you said the microscope and Wanting to make stories and be in there every day And like the level of professionalism is Is really turned up in Boston I don't yeah yeah But I just think it's

You can use the media like, you can use them in a positive fashion. Oh, yeah. You know, there's countless guys that always got a break with them because of how they treated them. You know, you look at like how Matthew Slater would, you know, or like, if you, like, he would always treat, you know, everyone with so much respect that because of that respect,

they would, out of respect, they wouldn't ask him stupid questions. Yeah. I like that. so you can how you are to them is how you're going to be treated yeah so get them on your side I'm with you you know I mean a little bit and I you know I I don't know I would be tired in some days with certain certain people but there's no hard feelings now now that I'm in this side of on this side of the line it's like now I appreciate what they do because I'm sitting there not in New England anymore and we still have to talk about them I love to hear about what's going on with the Patriots.

I'm relying on the beatwriters now on what's going on, even though I know, you know, with what they write is not always, but you still get something out of it. I was going to say, because when it's training camp time or even practice, we're refreshing Mike Reese's Twitter, like, Mike's the guys. Yeah, they're the voice of the what's going on and keeping it real. How often, like, what are your media responsibilities like through any given week

during the regular season? Media responsibilities, you are available if you are not hurt. every day to the media Monday through Thursday or Monday through Monday through Friday or could be Wednesday Thursday Friday like our main practice days after practice media is in there or or it's before practice and available means like in the locker room after or like press conference you have to be available for like that was another thing like half of our guys like more than half of our guys whenever the media was in there during the regular day was like out they they didn't want to everyone was so scared to say something wrong that no one wanted to do the media

scattered so everyone would like be in the weight room or or you know somewhere and you know usually you have certain guys that would talk and i you had certain days after a while that you would go usually it was probably like once a week when do they when were they allowed in the locker room they've been they've been a win yeah like is there like a there's a lot of practice there's an hour that they can be. So during the work week practice, during practice week, they're there an hour like right before you're about to go out to, I think is it before? I think it used to be before. It used to be before. Okay. Practice. And then after the game, you have 10 minutes to like clear your thoughts and then they come in right after that 10 minutes. That's kind of

crazy. And then you might get called to the podium. Then Stacey James is like our media guy, he would call the certain and round up the guys that would go to the media. Or he would kind of give you the, you know, hey, we're just going to do you at the locker. He was like the main point of contact for every, everyone.

With everything. Like, if you didn't go do media for a couple days, Stacy would come and say, you know, you haven't done, you haven't done media in a couple days. You know, the NFL can find you. You know, he would kind to be a reminder. And he he used to have to like he used to have to deal with everyone you know coaches players

anything to do with the media stacey james he dealt with us from the other side when we were doing the documentary yeah that's such a tough job yeah i can't imagine going to the head coach after getting lost in a soup hey coach we got to go do media or you know grabbing tom or grabbing gronk or you know he had to grab everyone at the highest of the highs but also the lowest of the lows that's brutal so was he if and if say you did slip up and you did give him a sound bite and you did say throw somebody under the bus is stacey the guy you go talk to or they would call you in what happens if like someone says something that gets to be national news or bulletin board material oh that very next day team meeting eight o'clock sharp could be

headlining the fucking coaches meeting things not what to do in the media. Oh, so the whole team's here in this. The whole team. Oh, geez. This is an example of what we are not supposed to do. And they play like a clip. Play the clip. Read the clipping.

Wow. It never happened to you? No. But didn't he do it to light? Didn't light say he did it to him? I believe that's, yeah. When he did the media thing. Yeah. Yeah. Or the the union. The union. Yeah. Were there any like habitual line

stepers? No, because what our coach would do is before, like, in his teaching on how to do the media, he would grab examples from other teams. Okay. Oh, that's smart. And he's like, this is like what we're not supposed to do. Okay. And then the guy would say, yeah, you know, you know, it's, look, it's fucking mini camps. Like, this guy was in college last year and this is what he says. and go like, look, you know, I think I'm going double-digit sacks this year. I'm the fastest wide receiver in the league. And then Bill, he would read it, but how he would read it would fucking, everyone would start laughing and shit.

He'd read it like 11. He'd have like a little like, fucking Lawrence Taylor didn't even do that. And then he'd keep reading, you know what I mean? Yeah, just like just belating the kid. and then he'd go like and then yeah so he would give us examples on what not to do

that's pretty funny that's the guys that like regularly show up it's Dion Sanders no it would be current it'd be current Marshawn yeah I'm just curious like I won't comply because

those guys could say stuff to Bill because they'd be on Sanders and Marshawn Lynch it'd be like a no-name guy saying something that like is fueling the fire for the other guys. What part of your career did you start getting

a little bit more leeway? And not just for like, you know, interviews, but with some of the media that we were doing. Social media. Yeah, commercial social media. I would say after the Super Bowl.

Okay. The first Super Bowl, you know? I mean, after the first big contract, maybe. Yeah. But, you know, it's a New England medium moment I really like.

And I would like to find this specific item when Chris Long wore the Julian Edelman mask at his locker. I want to find that. We got to get that in the nut house. Fucking long. What was your story behind that again?

I don't even know. He just bought, he spent like $2,000 on getting a mask made of my face. And he did the media in my yellow shirt, my red beanie in my mask. Do we have the picture? I got it in there. Fucking Kyle. I think about that like kind of weird off.

Chris. It's kind of nailed it. He kind of did. Is that your consent? Those are my earphones that I used to wear all the time. is that a red j11 no that's the i would always turn my hat inside out so it was just red i don't know why i think about that like somewhat often he's so he's so he was a fun teammate chris is the man we gotta get him in the nut house man but yeah it's it's also media is very different now

because a lot of these you know it's going to be interesting to see what the league does because a lot of these guys won't say anything to the the league's media and then they just hold it on their podcast. Oh, you say. Which is brilliant. Which is smart. Absolutely. Which is brilliant.

Like Micah. Yep. And there's the St. Browns. St. Browns. Yep. I mean, the Kelsey's. The Kelsey's, absolutely.

They're the pioneers of it. Really? There's other guys to do it, but like they were real, like two prime guys that were that were prime active stars. Yeah, guys that weren't going to get the call, you know, every Tuesday. Prime active stars. What do you think would happen if, say, the year is 2017, and you went to New England's head coach and said, I'm starting a podcast,

coach? Weekly? We talk football every week. I have guests on. You know what? And at that point of my career, if it was, I used to do a radio show. That's true. That the team did. Right. And we would do the radio show for like, you would do the radio show and they would, give you like a hundred flights of JetBlue. Oh, that's what you'd get for it? Yeah. Oh, that's pretty cool. You know what I mean?

You get mint? Yeah, mint. Nice. But you get taxed on it, so you're paying 33 cents a dollar, but regardless, you would do, like, you would get paid stuff for that radio show that was associated with the organization. So if I knew what I know now, what I would have done is probably formulate my own and make it, were out about things I was comfortable about talking about

and then hire my own my own advertisement so I can make money directly instead of getting free tickets. Big brain podcast. I would probably, yeah, yeah. That's what the guys are doing now. You know, because like... I mean, we were pitching games with names

and making games with names a thing when you were still playing. Like, we were going to set that up potentially. We did not yet. We were pitching it and it would all kind of happen right when you were starting to retire. No, I thought we, that was like 2019. But we were developing it to do while you were still an active player.

But we were a podcast, not games with names. We didn't know the concept yet. Because the reason why we did it Evergreen and on Tuesdays was because off day and it wouldn't be touching hot takey shit. And you could record a bunch at once. Yeah, but we could never interview someone on a Tuesday. This wasn't thought about until at least 19. Well, you were still playing in 19. I know, but it wasn't 17.

Well, semantics. You were still active. You were still active. Two years. We were formulating this while you were. 17 and 19, that's two Super Bowels. A lot of good football left to be played.

Yeah, that's a different. That's difference. And like, everything. If you were active or not. Yeah. That if you had played another year, you probably would have been doing this show

while you were active. Now, it wouldn't have been like talking about fucking the game right after the fact. We probably would have recorded a bunch in a row in the off season and dropped them out. It was hard for me to do that stuff, though. I know.

like i wouldn't i don't know if i would have been able to do it because you got to be able like that's we also didn't know what we didn't know at that point right about what it took to do it wasn't what it is now yeah there weren't many active guys yeah we didn't know what we were doing then i did think about the team whenever we did anything that's what difference between you and most other guys you know what i mean like i i i didn't want to get too big with and loud with our stuff what if your play starts slipping and then remember Remember with the fucking NFL NFL films documentary

in Mexico that you recorded that we were down in like June or something in Mexico you tore your ACL and then that August or whatever and then that aired after you tore your ACL and people were like why is you skateboarding with an ACL they couldn't comprehend that we did it off and there was a lot of heat

not a lot but there was enough people talking about that so shit like that Yeah it's just sad because you got to think about it There's no eye in team but there is an eye in Instagram and there's a I in Twitter and TikTok and Twitter and TikTok

yeah you got to think about that no YouTube it made no sense at all but I'm just saying it YouTube there is a 2B there is a tube okay all right I think that was terrible I'm sure we've missed a lot of questions I'm sure we've missed a lot of like

intricacies that people might want to know about the NFL media so please the media landscape so please put your questions in the YouTube comment section or anywhere you can comment we've been pulling them on doing it so any more questions and nuance on this stuff please let us know about educating the fans here maybe shout out mike reese shout out mike reese that's the first time i've ever been starstruck at our at our premiere mike reese was

like oh my god mike no way that was your first one i didn't talk to mike reese wrote like my first article i think that's so cool he went to a jewish camp with us off he's got aura my green mike reese felt safe because he's a good he'd straight up man he's not some gotcha guy yeah he's a legit substance and he would he would like let you know when he like sorry jules i got to ask but you know like it literally you could see in his eyes and it hurt him that he had to ask me a certain question like yeah i don't even know but you know probably he's getting pressure to get some stuff too yeah well shout out mike rice shout out ryspc tom kran love tom me jeff how it was good to us liz thanks for listening remember to tune in

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