Games with Names - Highlight Reels: Iconic Play Calls

Episode Date: August 17, 2025

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on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation highlight reel starting now. Now, Matt Patricia, on Malcolm Butler's Super Bowl ceiling interception. Can you walk us through the Malcolm Butler? Yeah. Situation. Yeah.

The interception in 14 on the Super Bowl. That whole sequence of plays. And what do you got on that? Yeah. So obviously, you're talking about great games and certainly the 11 Baltimore team and the Y and all. But that's why I love that one. And obviously you. so I thought that'd be a great one

but you know these the 14 game the 16 game you know the Super Bowl there's there's some crazy crazy stuff that just happened in those games and the thing about the 14 Super Bowl with Seattle so going back to around this time really

when I took over the defense 11 and 10 Bill would come to me every training camp and again in the Bible had all the calls and he'd be like hey he's like we really every training camp Hey, when are we putting goal line three corner in? And I'm like, yeah, I'm like, oh, you got to get that in. I'm like, we're never going to run goal line three corner.

Like, it's 11 personnel. Like, I'm not doing it. Like, they're going to throw, like, it's just the whole thing. So for years, I was like, yeah, yeah, it's going on. We never got it in. So as soon as we win the championship game, and I'm like, I knew we were playing Seattle. I walked in the defensive staff room. I go, you're not going to believe what I'm about to say.

And they're all like, what? And I'm like, we got to put goal line three corner in. And I'm like, what are you talking about? I'm like, we're going to need this call in this game. I'm just telling you, like, we can't go to them personnel and not have as much mass on the field. I'm like, we got to figure this out. So I knew like that Monday, and everyone was like, there's no way you're going to call this. And I'm like, I'm just telling you, we're going to need this call.

So start drawing it up, going through the call. Why do you think you need the call? Because I knew that no one had seen it. We hadn't run this call. What did Seattle do to make you think you might need the call? that call. Just 11 personnel inside the three-yard line, trying to be able to stop Lynch, the quarterback run game, the receivers that are on the field, if you were going to go sub-defense

on the two-yard line, like, you're just too much space. Yeah. It's just too much space. Like, he's just, he's too good. Remember, like, I played Lynch for a lot of years when he was at Buffalo. Like, my happiest day when Buffalo sent him to Seattle, I was like, thank, like, give him some flowers to Buffalo. Like, get him out of it.

This guy is unstoppable. I'm like, that guy was so good, so good. so I just needed to have enough size to stop the line of scrimmage from moving and I couldn't give up any space and I also knew that no one had seen it and it was going to be one of those calls where I was going to make them panic like they were going to panic I wasn't sure what they were going to do we knew you know that they would have a check which they did we knew we'd kind of get him into that throw the rubber out so we get we draw it all up I get it ready to go we go down Remember, we practice like three days before we leave and then we go.

And I kind of told everybody, I'm like, look, we're going to put this in as soon as we get down there. But I wanted the week to really work through all the problems. Like, that's just kind of my problem solving. I wasn't going to give it to the guys and then change it. So we get down to Arizona and, you know, I put it in and I kind of had the guys in the right spot that I thought, we practiced it. Now, we ran that pick route. We ran it like, you know, eight times. Of course, I ran into the cards.

Like, we, that was like one of those cards. I'm like, we need to see this card. Like this is, this is what, this is five times in practice. We did. We did. And the thing was, everybody saw it. Like, it wasn't the same guy every time seeing it. We ran all the combinations. So we get into the game or we get to the end of the week of practice and I looked at it and I was like, I don't, there's something here I don't really like. I need to move. You know, I switched Jamie. I switched him. I switched high. I kind of moved somebody up and I kind of switched it after we practiced it like the last day and we kind of just walked through it. And I was like, all right, because it was really about stopping the run. It was going to stop the run. And really the combination with it to that. side was the Snag 7 flat. I didn't worry about the other side because we knew what that was. So practice it, changed it at the last minute. I was like, okay, like, it's ready. We're going to, I'm going to need this. And it's literally written, it's like three letters in the bottom right hand corner of the call sheet. It's like the most tiniest call on the sheet. So we get into the game,

we had talked about how tough this game was going to be. The first play of the game is my favorite play of the game. Like you watched the defensive guys because we knew their offensive line looked to clean the pile. So as soon as Lynch got the ball, they were. we're coming to take people out. And I was like, look, we're going to tackle this to do in the first play of the game. I'm like, but as soon as he's down, everybody else, go find someone. Go find someone and go knock their heads off because they're not doing that to us. And to the point of like, one of my favorite compliments of all time, and it was probably

in the 12 error was Chris Berman, who's a great guy, great friend, came up to me and he goes, he said to me, he goes, you have the best tackling corners in the NFL. And I was like, if our corners tackle at a high level, the whole team's going to tackle at a high level. I just took so much pride in that. So in that first play of the Super Bowl in 14, we tackle Lynch, everyone turns and looks and starts to take dudes out, and like Revis is like,

he's going to get like one of the biggest linemen, you know, their tackles that had this coming. So I'm like, okay, like we're on this, right? Like, we're coming. So we get into the second half and, you know, going into halftime, we were struggling with some coverage matches, right? and they scored right before half.

I was, I was hot. This was, this was a bad, this was a bad series, a bad play. So I am literally, you know, I'm, I'm like, we're changing. Like, I'm switching some guys up. Malcolm's going to come in, the whole deal. So getting into the second half,

and they have, it was kind of back and forth, right? Like, they were moving, we were moving. It was like, you know, the defenses in the Super Bowl get worn out. It's just what happens, you know? If you can control it early, you have a chance but you know if you're playing like those games are long and if you're moving the ball or in the first half the second half you're worried about you know how well is the defense

going to hold up it's going to be you know be a shootout so both teams are moving the ball and I was like oh man this is this is we got to get one stop in the red area we'll be okay so it's a series going away from you know like the last play the game is the left the series going to the right end zone and um third and two so I call I call call one of our one of them stackbacker left so the idea of the call was we're going to walk up on the edge the defensive end who's now on ninkovich he's going to crash down hard and he's going to take out lynch and then the backers coming off for the quarterback so call stackbacker left third and two rob goes in and nails lynch and we stop them on third and two so i was like we just stopped him on a nickel defense really

two yards giving the ball lynch like that's pretty so i'm like okay that's going to change what they're going to that's going to change what they're doing right now so we get the last drive they hit you know they're coming down they hit the big play down the far side line it's on the opposite side the rule chain you know duran jumps over the pile it falls he catches it now again i'm sitting here 2014 seven years later in the same stadium in the super bowl where david tyree who i coached in college who was a special team didn't catch anything in college catches this thing right and i'm like holy f did that just happen again i was like i was just like i was a Played by Malcolm, too, on the seam.

We're talking about the seam where he tipped it, and Kirste ended up doing the back thing. Malcolm, there's a great play that Malcolm makes on a third down earlier where he goes up and through the pocket and then rips the near hand and gets a ball out. There's a big play in that game earlier to kind of get him off the field to get the ball back to the offense. So now they line up on him, I click into high.

I'm like, they're going to run it, man. And now I'm looking at, high's got one arm. I'm like, they're going to run it. We were stuck in the defense. And he makes it, that's an unbelievable tackle. Unbelievable tackle. one arm gets them down so now the clock is moving so I know the situation and so this I mean it's one of those moments where really like the clock like life slowed down for me yeah I don't know

exactly how long the seconds were but for me it felt like a half hour so I know the call I want to make I'm here an 11 personnel going in the game and I slide over next to bill because I didn't I wasn't going to put it out there and let them call time out I didn't want them to see no one had seen this and then so I slide it next to bill and I was like hey I'm like are you calling the and he's staring, he's just staring across the field. And I'm like, Bill, I'm like, are you calling the time out? And he's not saying anything to me. And I was like, hey, I go, I need to know because I'm not putting this out there.

Are you calling the time out? And he's like, yeah, just make your call. And I was like, okay, so I click on. I'm like, hey, go line three corner, get it out, make sure we got Malcolm. So like, they're all, I'm down with Bill. Everyone's out, it's down the sideline. So flow, I hear Flo, he's like, he's like screaming because we had changed the coverages. So like later, you know, I'm talking to Bill.

I was like, what were you watching? He's like, well, I was watching Pete. He's like, and I'm watching their offense trying to figure out, like, they put the personnel, could they sub? He was watching, and then once we put goal line, he knew we subbed it so late. They weren't going to be able to change. They were going to go to the check. So we were just waiting it out to see who could get it out there last.

And I was like, because the helmet communication shuts off. So they weren't going to be able to check the play to Russ. So we get goal line. So they just see goal line, we're signaling goal line. So goal line's going out. Well, automatically to them, they're like, all, well, we're going to throw, I have like 6,000 pounds of flesh, like sitting there. I have like Chandler Jones, Dante Hightower, Jamie Collins, Branch, Vince.

This is like a 18 wheeler out there. Like, you know, I understand, like, just give the ball to Lynch, but like, we had just stopped them on. Like, these are like some of the best players in the NFL right there. Yeah. So I was like, they're going to panic. They're going to throw it. I was worried about the snacks of them flat. So that was built.

So I watched them build. So I'm watching in my end I'm watching the left side And I'm like watching them build They bring the receiver over You think that the rub was Is all good? We're good on the rub

Like they're going to go to the Snag 7 flat They gotta have a play Yeah To the other side They're going to pick the linebacker So I'm like So I'm on with high I go hey make sure you don't get picked here

I'm like Lynch is going to You know this is going to be Snacks 7 flat To your side So I'm watching the left side Of the offense The right side of the defense and ball snapped, and I look, and it's snagged seven flat, and we get picked. Chandler's peeling late, because he had the peel call.

He had the, from the high to high, I'm like, give Chan the call. So, Chan's peeling late, but if it was good throw, I was like, this is going to be a touchdown. And I look, and I'm like, and then they picked the linebacker. So I'm on the headset, and I'm like, all right, here we go. I'm like, all right, it's not the run. I'm like, yeah, we're going to get the Snag 7 flat. I'm like, oh, my God, they picked them. And then everyone starts screaming.

They're like, no, he picked it. And I'm like, who picked what? I didn't even see the play. I didn't even see the play on the other side. I was so worried because the guy's open in the flat. So everyone's going crazy and I'm like, what, I don't even know what. I'm like, what happened. Obviously, the best part of the story is Browner, who I love.

Browner is the one we're going in half. He's like, Browner knew that personnel so good. He's like, put me here, put them there, put them there, right? So it'd be a good coach. The best thing you can do is just listen to your best play, listen to your smart players. So that was the matchups that we did. But when they built the stack, you know,

When Browner looks at Malcolm and goes, listen, I'm going to choke the shit out of him. You just go. And if you watch the play, Browner's, he's literally got his hands around his neck. Yeah. And he's, and he's, and then Malcolm just goes. So I didn't see any of that. I'm like, we got picked. Everyone's like, no, he picked it.

I'm like, who? I didn't even know we had the ball. Yeah. So that was like chaos is going on. So now, again, I'm nervous because I'm looking at the clock. I'm like, oh, my God. I'm like, the ball's like on the inch line here. No safety.

Like, there's, right, so I'm like, they're going to get the ball back. There's a, I'm going through situational plays. No one wants to listen to me because I'm like, what are we going to do? What are we putting out there? Because I'm panicked. Like, we're going to be back on the field. And obviously, you know, we get the thing in the games. And I turn around and Revis is running at me and he jumps.

And I like catch him. Like, do you know how thick, Revis? He's so, he's, he's low. This is what he was so good. He was so strong. So he bent, Mike, he cracks my back. So at the end of Super Bowl, I crack my back. like in the celebration because he jumps up on me and care like who cares like who cares right doesn't

matter you know stevie b's running around me like like he like everybody's freaking out it was like amazing malcolm still crying and it was like choked out josh yeah it was like total chaos and my best part my best play if you watch if you watch the the coach's copy of that tape if you watch the end zone because again we had the extended end zone because we watched the celebration and all that stuff um in the back of the end zone is the Seattle mascot. It's my favorite thing in the whole world. He's standing there and you can see him as, as right before the snap, you can see him like, you can just see, like, you know, his face, his expression isn't changed. You can see him like, he's like, we're

about to go back to back. We're about to hand this thing to lynch. We're about to like score. Here we, and they snap the ball and you see him freeze. And then the ball's picked and he just takes his hands and he puts his hand on the front of his beak and he stands there like and he doesn't move. And you could just see him like, what the hell just happened? It's the funniest shit ever. I'm just telling you it's hysterical and he doesn't move like there's chaos going on. He doesn't move for like five minutes. He's just standing there. It's

amazing but you know what's crazy that's not the first time a coach has pointed out a stand thing. Oh we watch the stands all the time because they watch so much film so much film. With Bill and them so they sit there chatty-o would come in there like look at this guy and pour a beer

on this guy in this play. My favorite every year I'd watch. I would watch There's a guy in Buffalo and every scoreboard, he sits in the right corner of the stadium and it would be the middle of December. He's got no shirt on. He's got a big beer belly. And he looks kind of like, you know, he's got long gray hair.

So I'm like, and he's every year, he's there. And I always check. I'm like, he's still there. No shirt. It's middle of seven. You know, or in New Orleans where the scoreboard, there'd always be a crew that in Halloween would dress in costumes and sit above the score.

So you just, you're looking for stuff. Always. But the mascot in the end zone, of that thing. It's really, we had in the extension, it's one of the most amazing things. But that was, that play, how that was put together, the game, the halftime, the fact that it was like, I can't believe we're going to install this. This is like six years. He'd been asking, I'm like, nope, here it is, we need it. We got it. We're going to have it right now and put that in a week and have that thing go out was, that was crazy. And honestly, that whole defensive year,

like give that, like Vince Wolf Fork and I sat down because, you know, like, he won't to win again. Like he was, and he was unbelievable, man, his leadership, his guidance of like, hey, let's do this. Like, we, you know, we gave the defensive guys a book. We read, you know, legacy, the all blacks. And we put all our words together and just kind of like all the way through the season, you know, the night before the Super Bowl, I kind of read it to the defense again. And like, hey, this is what we said we're going to do. And, you know, when you win the Super Bowl, yeah, I think that was the year. I kind of told him, like, the trophy, you know, what it's like to hold the trophy, you know, and it's heavy at the top.

It was kind of like the thing, the story, and I explained to him how, you know, when we won in, in 2004 and being able to hold the trophy and what that's like and just all of that expression into and Vince leading the charge. And, you know, we tell them, like, you win a Super Bowl, like, you're bonded for life. Like, you're bonded for life. Like, it doesn't matter where you are or when it is. Anybody on those teams call you, you are bonded for life. I have a great picture of you.

I was actually just looking at the other day. It's you and Rob and Chan after the White House. you guys are walking down the side of the bus it's just the three of you and I just snapped it you know I mean I think you got a lipper out to here and like you know like the whole deal we just been in the way and it's like it's the coolest shit ever yeah you know

but that that play the time is just one of those moments in life where just time stopped for me and I just like here we go and we're gonna we're gonna do this it's gonna be crazy next up Josh McDaniels breaks down both of Julian's career touchdown passes after

we scored that touchdown I remember that's when you came up to me. I did. I said, do you need any lead time for the double pass? And you, and you said, what? And I said, do I have to tell you that it's coming? Meaning, like, do you need to take your red gloves off or whatever, you know, your cutters or whatever they are? Like, what do you do I need to tell you that this is coming?

Like, fuck no. Five minutes in advance, you're like, no, no, no. Yeah, that's what you said. Just throw it. Just call it whenever you want. And I'm like, okay. You know, so we, so we did. Yeah, that was the first touchdown was the one we actually did the Raven Baltimore formation the first time.

First time. We were down by 14. And then when we scored one, that's when we went with the double pass. The double pass. Speaking of double pass. Which we had actually called earlier in the season. Against the Chiefs. Against the Chiefs.

That's right. We just didn't throw it over there. We called it. And, you know. It was Dola going to throw it, wasn't it? Was it you or Dola? I don't remember. I watched this morning.

It was going to be you. Okay. But Dolah was like saying He was made-to-man coverage Man-man coverage. Like we couldn't do it. Dole was trying to call you off when you were in motion.

Can we go into the second time I threw the football? Oh, 2019 in Philly? Yeah, we can do that. That was a great story. So, Jules has told his side.

Jules has told his side plenty. I'd love to hear your side. I want to know if my memory's really fucked up. No, you got it right. The night before the game. Yeah. This is the story. Yeah.

so we well this wasn't the same play no it was a different play throw it here throw it back set up the catch and run and in the what we always did like a little ballroom which always felt like you guys loved that i loved it just to reiterate it was almost like a very comforting feeling when you walked out of there like we all study we all got it yeah we all got it and it was loose and yeah and so but it wasn't always loose depending on like the games sometimes we go in there running hard and stuff. No, but that was, that was, but I don't think we ever went in there, like, it wasn't like a big, like, it wasn't like a big, like teaching session at all.

It was, I was, I would call the play. You guys would get on, you would do it and walk through it and that was it. But if you had like a new player coming in that had a big role. That was different. You know, like if, he was nervous. And we were all kind of watching them too as well. And Julian, Julian, well, I'll tell them to tell two stories quickly. The, the, when he came back in 2000.

18 18 okay so the the walk through because we played on a Thursday night so we didn't have practice we didn't have any practice that week because it's just walkthroughs well had no live he does he does the hotel like walk through and he's soaked because he's like running routes in the ballroom like but tom's with me throwing him nobody else in tom always had like a little lacrosse ball and he would bounce it to you to like show you and julian is literally like you could see every like he was just drenched and i remember the other guys were like looking at him like what is going on with this guy i'm like yeah he's a little he's he's he's obsessive compulsive right now i think he needs to play a game is what he needed to play a game oh my gosh he dialed up a wheel for you on the first position

hey walk through like you play baby so so anyway the philly so the philly game was the second throw that night in the hotel the night before the game We go, walk through it. Tom dribble, bounces the ball to Julian. Julian gets the ball, and then he looks, he looks and throws it to Phil. Phil's just, it's a real thing eye out. Phil's just wandering up the field trying to get at the defense to come this way. And Philly catches it, and I look at him, and I'm like, don't you fucking.

Don't you fucking do that. Just throw the ball over there. Just throw the ball. And I think we actually did it again, just so he would, like, do it right. You know what I mean? And then we get in the game and he gets the ball and he looks down the field and Philly's open. And then he lets it go and I'm just like, and then he caught it. And I'm like, I don't know.

Those are the ones as coaches where you're just like, that's a hell of a play. The thing is, if I would have flipped my hips guy, I was in my face. I would have got, you got drilled. I got drilled. I come running off. When I come running off, you go, you're fucking dangerous, man. You are dangerous. I did.

You're dangerous. But that was awesome. I remember, because you were the only one that threw a touchdown pass. that game. Oh yeah. So I remember like like and he would come in the next day and he would put ice. He would have a shoulder wrapped in ice in the team room and he would sit in the front you know by but like yeah I got to you know I always come in like the last person to come in to always. Last person would just be like I'm like coach you got the door don't worry. Jim you got that ice take care of that sometimes the trade you stuff called me in front of everyone looking like

you just threw a complete game shut out. Yeah literally like I think it's Randy Johnson after a nine-inning. Oh, my, I will say, that pass, the Your Dangerous Maverick moment in Philly, put jewels at five of six, 141 yards, and two TDs as a passer. There you go. What was his reading? Had to be exceptional. Had to be amazing.

Yeah, we had the one in the Super Bowl to Dion. Oh, man, he was close to it. He almost made that. He almost made that catch. I shouldn't have thrown it. That was nuts. What you mean? Was he open?

Yeah, he got him. It was like just by him. The guy did a good job of peeling on it. Yeah. But the rest of the defense was over there. That game was a blur. 158.3. That's perfect.

Is that perfect? That's perfect. Someone said that's pretty good. Not too shabby, bro. The loudest I've ever heard that stadium was when you threw the double pass and scored. I've never heard that stadium. That stadium has been loud a number of times in our lives. Yeah.

That was the loudest. that I personally had heard, like, because it was almost like, you know, like we came back once, now we're down two tests. And so they're like, oh, no, not again. Then we come back again. And to do it that way with you hitting, Dan, I mean, that was as noisy as I think I could ever remember. That was a fun, that was a fun play. But it wasn't over. So, well, before we do that, we let, we have players on. We like to walk through, like, a specific moment, generally from the big game. We've heard Jules's perspective. We've heard Danny and Mendoza's perspective of that play. I'd love to hear your like beat by beat perspective of that double pass play.

So down seven, then they punted, got the ball back. I remember it was ready and I had already checked with Bill. You know, like we're good. He goes whenever, you know, whatever you want to do it, I'm good. And, you know, because I always felt like whenever you're running something it's a little bit screwy. Yeah. You know, just you better check with your big boss and make sure that you're, you're not doing and he doesn't want you to, like fake puns and, you know.

So he already signed off whenever you want to do it. And I just didn't feel right about doing it, not, like, I wanted to get a first down and then do it. Yeah. I didn't want to do it like the first play of the drive. I didn't want to do it on second and eight, like after the first play of the drive. I wanted to like, can we,

get a first down and then once we get the first down let's try it you know what i mean and so we did we got a first down and then i think it was right around midfield and it was kind of the right time to do it and dean acquiesced he brought the star blitz off the side that we threw the ball to he gave us we didn't know we were going to get that but it made the play better because we only had one guy out there that we needed to block and it wasn't two and so was that gronk out there i think it was gronk out there and then danny did a good job of hesitating and going by but you know after i asked him if he was if he needed any lead time he said no bill had already you know signed off on the whole thing and i just really wanted to get a first down so it wasn't so like almost like desperate like we got

to try this right off the bat you know i mean i wanted to kind of no thirsty yeah get a get a little get a little bit of a momentum going in the drive and then give ourselves a chance to see if we could hit it. And it was perfect because it was on our sideline. I love doing those things when they're on your sideline. So when you're seeing when I'm going over in motion, what's

going through your mind? It's not man. And then when I saw the guy start to creep in and he was going to blitz, I'm like, I don't know. We couldn't have drawn up a better like them playing a better defense for the play. It was really just going to matter whether

the corner bit it or he didn't yeah and you know danny did a good job of bluffing it and then went by you mentioned you know want to do a play like that after first down and doing it on your own sideline these little details is that like to factor him with your play calling is that innate is that something with reps like where do you pick up those little details when it comes into your craft of play calling um i think it's just probably experience you know um i don't like i think when you're coming off the sideline and like the defense is kind of ready for almost anything, you know, like, I don't think that's a great time to like spring your craziest play on them all the time. I think it's almost like you run a play, you run a second play, oh, you got a first down.

So they're kind of like, all right, they're just driving the ball. They're just trying to do the same stuff they've been doing, you know, throwing the ball here, dink and dunk, which is what I wanted them to be thinking. And they got, so we get a first down. And, and, and, you got, so we get a first down. we're into a drive. The defensive coordinator, he knows we're not going fast. He's into his drive now. You know what I mean?

Meaning. Meaning, you know, you kind of get into a rhythm of the drive itself. Each drive is different. And so we first down play, huddle, second down play,

first down, go back to the huddle. You know what I mean? So now Dean's in his rhythm too. And so, again, And it just, I thought that was a better way to do it, honestly, than go out there and be desperate and try to hurry up and get to it.

And, you know, people don't realize these, you know, I don't know how it's in other places, but there's a department that studies and gives everyone around the league what they're doing to our coaches and they look at it. These guys study it so that, you know, you could always see when it's the best opportunity. He's probably seen this situation go down, may not be the specific trick play,

but a different trick play that, you know, a team off of, you know, a big play makes another big play, feels desperate. You know, so these guys, they're always watching the game. Yep. And that's how they get their experience, not only through coaching it, but watching other coaches,

the great coaches will use their experiences and implicated into their own. And I've made, I've called enough plays and made enough mistakes when I was younger. you know to like all right well that sucked you know i mean like that totally wasn't the right time to do that you know and you just i think learning through your failings as you're as you're going is a helpful thing so you have a little bit of wisdom you know after you've put enough pelts on the wall you know you know where now you kind of know like that's i remember not to do

that because of this game and i tried it and it backfired you know and the other thing i would say about this is and you would attest to this. We practiced those things and we didn't act like they were like so special that it was like impossible for us to succeed at them. I treated those things like almost like a play action pass. Yeah. Like a flea flicker or a double pad. Like if you rep it enough, what's the difference? Like other than the ball handling and like. But I trusted you enough and we'd rep it enough where I was like, I didn't call it and go like this. Yeah. Like, what's going to happen?

I called it going, as long as the defense is going to give it to us, I've seen us execute this many times. Look at it. He's got this smile like, yeah. Tell him how many times I hit it in practice. I think I overthrew him three or four times. Next, Max Crosby on one of the strangest coaching decisions in NFL history. You know, boy genius. Brandon Staley called a timeout.

I didn't know if you. I didn't know if you guys were going to go and, you know, maybe let that thing right out. Did you guys, were you guys going to let it right out? Fuck, no. And I didn't even hear about this, oh, yeah, they were thinking about doing a tie until after the game because we were in a position where, you know, we were close in field goal range, but if something fucking tragic happened, they block it or something, we could lose the whole year.

But I remember Rich on the sideline, he was, you know, going back and forth, do we, what do we do here? And he's like, fuck it, just run this power one more time or whatever their play was. And Josh broke loose and got like 12 to 15. yards and boom now we're in field goal range so honestly it was a fuck you to the chargers because they called the time out um and we were thinking about doing the tie like taking a knee and i fuck it we're going to make the playoffs whatever but they called the time out and we just said fuck it we're running another play and we got the first down and what do you think they were thinking i don't know

i don't know i mean they're going to try to get it back and you have a plus 50 punt and then like try to drive it down with like three it made no sense not one bit of sense Brandon Staley said we didn't have our right defense in there. He's got all the answers. A Kodak timeout. A timeout. You got any, you got any Staley stories? Staley stories.

I don't have any personal up close, you know, anything like that. But I just know playing the Chargers the last couple years, I mean, you expect just the craziest shit. I mean, even in that game, it was like the first or second quarter, and they went for it on their own 18. and like we're like what the fuck like we're sitting there like they're not punting the ball we're like okay i don't know what they're doing like there's a time in place i understand aggression and okay the analytics but there's a time in place i mean biggest game of the year you can't be going for it on

fourth and 18 or fourth down on your own 18 yeah you know and then and then the next year you know they kind of change they try to change you know you know what i mean they were they were we weren't doing it as much i i i mean it's it's it's honestly crazy to me that he called the time out. It's wild. Why? People were talking about that all week and it almost fucking happened. That's a crazy spot.

What if it actually? And then all of a sudden we're sitting there like, okay, what the fuck? This actually might happen right now. Scripted. And that would have been worse. Yeah, scripted. But that would have been worse. Fuck that.

I'd rather lose than both of us get in. Fuck that. Send them home. I'm with you. That's when I heard that we were potentially, I'm like, what? Fuck that. You die on your sword. you go all in we're gonna either win or we're losing the shit we're not both going we're not

sending them on you know what i mean you just give them a hand out be like i we're taking a knee is the afc west baby no you son those fuckers off defense the side of the bench you guys are chilling there well offense is out there yeah what do you guys you guys are all talking are we gonna score or what did you guys know the plan did we had no doubts that we're going to try to win the game we had no idea that that was even a thing um so yeah in our heads were like, I mean, we just need to get in field goal range. We're that close. We were right there. So we're like, I mean, we had no idea.

So it just seemed normal. Boom. Carlson went, kicked the field goal. And then after the fact, we end up finding out that all this controversy and they were going to take a knee and shit. And we're like, what the fuck? Now, Ty Law on his Super Bowl pick six. But can you walk us through beat for beat the pick six? Easy one.

No, that was the easiest, you know, you know, picks like. because I always give credit to Vrable. You know, Vrable, you know, made him, errant throw. It was one of those things where, you know, he did the same thing that Indy used to do and start putting Marvin in motion. So they put Isaac in motion

so I couldn't get him at the line of scrimmage. And it was one of those places. He had to back off, you go into motion. And you just seen it, you're coming. Vrable got through so clean that, okay, now I'm just reading him. And then it was an errant throw. So I'll say, I'm going to be hesitant case of Isaac

because he had an, Isaac can rout. Yeah. He would route the hell out of you. So it's like, okay, you plan for the double move It might be because I didn't know Because he wasn't going in motion like that until then So I was kind of trying to fill it out So what type of games is going to be?

And Vrable came in there and he whined back to throw it. I'm like, you bullshit. He threw it. Come on, man. Come on, Kurt. You know what I mean? And it was coming like it was slow motion. I was sitting like, oh, this is the Super Bowl.

That's the kind of shit you drop because it's so easy. So easy. It's so easy and you would drop it. But, you know, once I got it, man, And all you seen was flashes, and it was like everything would blank, you know. And, you know, it's like you hear the screens and it just went silent. And I'm running down there and just flashes and knowing that this is it, you know, in the Super Bowl and got that pick.

And the rest, we rode the hell out of it. You know what I mean? We rode the hell of that thing, man. What was the hand that just like? I don't even know what I was doing. You know, I just, I just, I just, I just, I just threw it up. You know what I mean? It's something that I've never done before in any of my picks or my picks.

I didn't throw it up. It was just something that just happened, and I threw it up there, and it's been the iconic picture ever since. Next, we got Big Shot Bob, Robert Ory, talking about his game-winning shot in Game 5 of the 05 NBA Finals. We're here to talk about one thing and one thing. Take us through the last shot, beat by beat. Well, you know, we're sitting there.

The play was actually for Manu Geno. It wasn't for me. I was supposed to inbound into Manu and then set a pick-and-roll for him so he can get to the rat. And so I'm seeing them come off the pick from Tim. And I was like, okay, the only pass I can do is a bounce pass because that's the only one I can get. So I bounce pass. And bounce passes, I hate. But sometimes you have, and when I bounced it, Rashid kind of looked at it like, oh, he's really close. So he went for the trap. And so I just stepped in and I was on fire. So I wasn't going to try to put it on the floor to create for

anyone so i took the shot and and after i was watching i didn't realize tachshon prince one of best defensive players in the game he almost blocked the shot but when you so focused on your shot you don't even see him and then next thing no it rattles in and we go up we go up and we win this game man you know it's it's you know you know i's noticing the clip earlier that you had you show m and m and i never talked trash and m and m was behind the bench said you won't be getting number six tonight buddy and i looked at him and so i started talking trash to m&m because what do you say i said i said after i hit that first i said you're in fucking trouble now dog they better fucking get me i said it's on what he said he just he started smiling

right he didn't say much and then after i did this dunk on rip i looked at hand like told you it's fucking over so it was just one of those things i never talk trash but when someone talks trashed me and it's Eminem, you know, one of the greatest rappers all the time. Go, we all love them. Yeah, and so I had to talk trash back to him, man. So it was a moment. So we got to rename this game. This is the M&M game. It's the Eminem game. Eminem, thank you for talking shit to Big Shot Bob, because it made him talk himself into a moment. He talked himself into a moment. 21 points in the last 17 minutes. 21 points in the last 17. Thanks for listening.

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