Games with Names - James Develin on Super Bowl LII | Eagles vs. Patriots

Episode Date: December 9, 2025

James Develin is in studio! The legendary fullback and 3x Super Bowl Champ is with us to relive Super Bowl LII between the New England Patriots and the Philadelphia Eagles.  (0:00) We kick things off. (1:23) James joins us on the couch. (49:23) We go back to February 2018. (54:16) We get into these rosters. (1:19:42) We dive into the game. (1:41:42) We score it. (2:02:53) We hit the ol' hotline in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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And on today's episode, we are covering Super Bowl 52 Eagles versus Patriots with former Ivy League defensive linemen, legendary fullback. And one of the toughest dudes. I've ever played with James Devlin. And we get into talking, what makes the fullback position so special? Lord of the Rings, that orc that they send in there would phone. That's kind of like what my role was. Wawa orders?

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Let's go. Games with names of production of IHeartRadio. February 4th, 2018, U.S. Bank, Minneapolis, Minnesota. Patriots are a game away from back-to-back Super Bowl championships. But Nick Foles and the Philadelphia Eagles have a few tricks up their sleeve.

this is a Philly special All right Heyley special. Oh, yeah. All right, that's fine, that's a lot. All right. Haley, keep this thing six inches.

You can move, but keep this six inches. All right, that's six inches. Perfect. How do you know? Oh, no. Half it, you know, roughly. Today we are looking at Super Bowl 52 Eagles versus the Patriots with old James Devlin.

James, welcome to the Nut House. In one sentence, why did you pick this game? Being a Philly boy, this is just something that's never really sat well with me. And I'm also a glutton for punishment. So I like to just watch fucking misery. but you know I think that's that's one sentence I'll leave it there is he brown man yeah that's a pro that's a pro is this the greatest game of all time though no but it's close okay it's up there what is the greatest game of all

time a fc championship 2018 but you've done it twice already yes that was that was my favorite game I've ever I've ever participated in yeah I mean shit dude it had everything why one we were running the ball toughness cold everyone was against us in that stadium and then just the resiliency for us to make the plays when we needed to their attempt at coming back the back and forth the back and forth and then the the overtime drive I think was just you know all the third downs we converted and all that shit then getting down on the goal line and running it in on the same play we had scored on not only that game three times,

but the week before against the Chargers a few times, 35 goal line lead, and then we fucking won the game against the Rams on the same play. That's what a fullback wants to fucking see, you know? What is 35 fullback lead? Goaline lead. You don't know, you were, were you in there? I know what it is.

I wasn't in. It's goal line. It's just, it's kind of mono-e mono. And at the time we had a big Trent Brown. that would fucking cave in the whole left side and then I had to read between him and Rob for my insertion point and get to the strong side backer there

and yeah we got the job done many times in that run now when you have when you just said insertion point when you're you know it's mono e mono 35 goal line lead and you're looking at the other guy say it's Ray Lewis or whoever was one of the tougher guys you had to go what's the mindset when you're going into that insertion? Take us walk beat for beat what you're thinking right before the snap or what you're calculating who you're looking at.

I want to know what the fullback is thinking when he's going mono e mono in the insertion point. That's a great question. That's one that doesn't often get asked, you know, because people kind of see like, hey, fullbacks are just in there like you're just a battering ram, right? Just run 10 yards and meet this dude in the hole and, you know, the better man win, but there's a lot of, like, nuance to it, just like there is at every position in the game of football. But fullback kind of gets, like, the moniker of, like, being like a meathead.

I'm in there just to fucking wreak havoc on this defense, which definitely plays into it. But so, like, and so the young fullback, or he's the tight end, kind of using him at fullback, Jack Westover, that's in New England right now, and recently asked me, to me and he said hey like what are you looking at on 35 goal line lead because they had it in right and i said like great question man like so you got to know depending on the front depending on how the d lines lined up where you're expecting to insert you got to know how your tackles playing blocks you got like how everyone's dispersing and then on the snap that could all change or could all stay the same right so you're kind of guessing before the ball just by like looking through feet and seeing

where guys are um where you're going to insert and then on the snap you either like you know the tackle is either going to high arm it and then like take everybody down then you're outside the tackle wrapping tight and try to stay low because this dude knows where that fucking play's coming too he's coming downhill just trying to meet you in the hole um so you're kind of processing all that but then like once the ball snapped and the decisions made it's all about just getting there with as much momentum and trying to hit them on their side of the the ball as deep as you can just to fucking bludgeon it and then the back makes you right is that what coach scar says by resetting the line of scrimmage yeah yeah and i think that was more is that the key to goal line

you have to reset the line of scrimmage into the goal line whoever does that wins i think so I think so and then full back like I think he was obviously talking to the offensive line trying to get that you're moving it but then I'm like I'm like that you know uh what's that fucking show or the movie um Lord of the Rings okay that orc that they send in there with a fucking bomb he carries it in he's getting all the arrows and he fucking carries it in underneath that's kind of like what my role was like we're gonna move this fucking wall, but then you got to take one shot to make that dent in it so the back can get in. And so, yeah, I think that that definitely plays into it. Now, if Lyman are like F350 pickup trucks,

what's a fullback? What are you? Well, you fucking address that with Dave a couple of weeks ago. I know, but what are you? I believe in F250 and I, and coincidentally, that's what I, that's what I drive. Mm. To 2019 F250 with about 70,000 miles on it. It's a good year. And it's, it's, it's, it's, just like great getting into like you know that that sweet spot right now it's kind of like you getting into the league talk to us about this journey you had 70,000 miles before you even got into the NFL because you went to goddamn USFL you went to the read explain this journey sure yeah man so um coming out of brown university being like the definition of a tweener i had a pretty decent career at d end i mean i wasn't big enough to play defense

line. I wasn't fast enough to play linebacker. I was always a defensive guy in, at Brown in the Ivy League, which there's not a ton of scouts coming there scouring the Ivy League for prospects. But we had a really good team, right? And we won the Ivy League championship my junior year. I was getting some attention. We had a big detackle next to me that was also garnishing a lot of attention. We had two receivers. One, you know, Buddy Farnham. And then Bobby Soul was the other guy. Dude, do you know who else? You know, right? Fitzpatrick went to Harvard. Yeah. Do I know that? Yeah. I feel like any time. Did Chris Hogan play lacrosse too? Yeah. Yeah.

Does Jalen Hertz squat 600 pounds? Yeah. I mean, everyone always talks about Harvard in a fits. Yeah, well, Harvard puts out the most NFL guys for sure. Like, they're kind of the cream of a crop. Yale and Princeton are probably right behind that. And then the other, what, five Ivy League. are kind of all like below them as far as NFL guys but Brown's put out a few we got Mike Hoyt

up in Buffalo right now I think he's the only guy but yeah anyways coming out of Brown I was a tweener and I kind of scratch and clawed just to get an agent to represent me had to do it kind of all on my own and then he he signed on and helped me open up some doors and the whole story is behind making that switch to fullback is like hey you got to sell yourself as like anything that's going to get you an opportunity so i started snapping balls i started putting out film of like just me running routes in my you know at brown out back at the uh on the turf fields and shit and then um i did a workout for jim garrett who's the father of coach garrett and uh you know that whole lineage down in dallas he was a long time coach in dallas and the

Jason Garrett. Jason Garrett, yeah. NBC, no. Uh-huh. And so he lives up in Monmouth County, New Jersey, and I drove up there and did a workout in his backyard with a bunch of high school kids, running routes, doing the whole thing, like, full-back shit. And he kind of gave me, like, the, me and my agent the nod, like, hey, if you want to

try to play, I think you got some skill to try to play fullback or tight-end, whatever. so then I was just kind of putting film out like hey you know see me see me see me no one came calling right out of school the draft came and went nobody called the browns bringing me in as a as a three four outside linebacker for rookie minicamp and I was a fucking lost dog what year is this 12 2010 2010 so day ball was the OC Rex Ryan or Rob Ryan was the defense coordinator and I'm playing three, four outside linebacker and just like, like, no fucking clue

what I was doing out there. So they sent me packing Saturday night. I didn't even make it to Sunday. And then just at home, dude, just training, like have this degree from Brown. I just graduated. And I'm living with my parents. And they're like, you want to start setting up some interviews?

Like, you have an engineering degree? Like, do you want to go work for Lockheed Martin or somewhere at something? I'm like, no, I want to play football. And so I got a Facebook message of all things to go to a tryout in Oklahoma City for the yard dogs, which was an AFL 2 team, but they just merged. So it was an AFL team. And I followed the message and followed my heart, went down there, made the team for four weeks, played arena football, making $200 a week, paying me in Taco Bell meal tickets and shit. if you won if we won we'd get like the better restaurants abuela was one down there

hell yeah that i always enjoyed yeah um and then yeah and then from there just went back home then kind of randomly got a message for my agent i was in ceil city um hanging with some of my buddies and he's like hey it was saturday he goes hey you got to try out with the uh ufl team the florida tuskers which no one had never heard of and no one probably still has heard of him um But you're trying out as a fullback. Just go down there, like, don't say anything that you would never play. And Jay Gruden was the O.C. He was the head coach at the time.

Okay. And I go down there, do my workout, and make the team, join them in training camp. I was the backup fullback, because they kept two of us at the time. And then the starting fullback, two games into the year, gets vertigo flying to Vegas. And I start. And then I had a great game. started the rest of the year, went to the championship game, lost the day after Thanksgiving of 2010. And then the next day, I had a call from the Niners and the Bengals to come join their

practice squad. And then I went to Cincinnati because they wanted me that week. Niners wanted me the following. And the rest is history. And then we picked you up off of the practice squad. Now, spent a year and a half in Cinti after 2012 training camp since he cut me. And then had the choice to go to either Tampa Bay or New England. And Shiano was in Tampa at the time. He was calling me personally. And I was like, man, it's a pretty good sign. But, you know, my agent was like, hey,

if Bill Belichick wants to take a look at you, like you go there. So I followed his advice and very, very thankful that I did. Because Tampa ended up having Mercer outbreak that ear too. So I dodged that bullet. That's where people getting their foot cut off and shit. Isn't that one of our old teammates was one of them? You don't play with that.

I haven't heard about Mercer in a while though. Yeah. They got that thing under wraps maybe, hopefully. Jeez, Louise. But James, you were also with Jay Gruden and Sensi too, right? Yeah. So I signed at the end of that season. I forget who the O.C. was at that time.

But then that offseason, they signed Jay. So then we kind of joined forces again. And just coincidentally, you know. Oh, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah, the NFL, the time that we were in it together was a really good league, especially for guys like in my position because there was a ton of NFL talent that had like, for whatever reason, been kind of either cast out or maybe they're getting

a little old long in the tooth. And they just were looking for a place to play. But, I mean, like the backs that I block for there, I mean, um, uh, Avion Kaysom was a, was a cowboys running back for a while. Maurice Hicks was a nineer for a little while. Dominique Rhodes was my mainstay at running back. Your mainstay? Is this how it is?

So these are like your wives? What are you mean? So explain that. The fullback, you guys are like, yeah, you know, my mainstay was. No, he was just like our first and second down back. Okay, just making sure. Yeah. And then so like I spent the most time blocking for him.

And he was dynamic, man. I mean, he won a Super Bowl with the Colts and like, you know, had a nice career in the end. NFL and he was I was just a 20 fucking one year old kid trying to learn how to play fullback and these guys like started showing me some shit and then they started believing in me and I'll never forget our our running back coach um when so when our fullback got vertigo um and then he started he got healthy again and my running back coach goes to our running backs all personally and says like hey we got to make a decision who we're going with here for the rest of this

this season, like if we're on the goal line in the Super Bowl, who do you want blocking for you? And all of them said James Devlin. So that's like that note of confidence, or not a confidence was fucking, yeah. It was, that's like all I needed to hear, man. So I'm very thankful for that league, that team, those guys for kind of believing in me and giving me a path to kind of carve my way. Don't sleep on the 2010 Tuskers, man. They got some names.

Oh, yeah. You really played with Jermaine Wiggins? Yeah. Wiggy was on that team? He was on that team, dude. Joe Thaisman was the owner? Joe Thaisman was the owner. Mike Hilliard, Rider Severs coach.

Yeah, yeah. I mean, and then the guys across the league at that time, that time, Jeff Garcia was. Dante Cole Pepper. Oh, baby. There was that old running back from Ohio State that damn near. Or ease Claret. Wow. Yeah.

I mean, yeah, man. Every team had like three or four guys. We're like, holy shit. He was really on this team. that's crazy you know and like the pay was decent it was like practice squad money yeah i was getting film though which was beautiful um and and honestly like at that time we were in orlando living in the shingle creek resort they were paying for everything three three meals a day it was like man this is fucking incredible man i'd do this so i don't know how that's different from like

the ufl as it exists now probably better no did orlando have wawa then too or was that before they got wala just opened the first wawa How did that make you feel as a Pennsylvania guy? I never went in Florida. Okay. Because it was like when they first opened, there was like a mile line. You're not a Wawa guy. You're a Sheets guy, right?

Isn't Sheets Philly? P.A. Are you kidding? Jules, how could you even ask that? Is Wawa a Philly thing? Wawa's a Philly thing. What is Sheets then? Is that Pittsburgh?

It's Pittsburgh and it's starting to make its way over. And so now where I live, it's been Wawa forever. And there's a Wawa like less than a Mawah. mile from my house and I just heard last week it's funny that you bring this up just heard last week that sheets is opening up right across the street from wawa now what's your what's your order at wawa so I used to always do like it's just a simple turkey hoagy but then they started implementing all this other shit um they got like pizza burgers now they got salads the like the whole nine but i like to just go with like what they've made their their bread and butter which is pretzels and

And huggies, you know, like a turkey hoagie with, you know, American cheese, lettuce, onion, like all the vegetables get on that. And then, yeah, that's simple. Do the boys like going there? Yeah. Every day in the summer when we're at the beach, we will put in a Wawa order while we're at home, pick it up and go sit on the beach and eat lunch. There's nothing, there's nothing like Wawa. See, I don't have those kind of places, but my dad used to bring me to the gas station, like shells and shit. And if we get like sunflower seeds or candy or whatever, so like now I do that with my kid, the sheets or wawas or whatever, these things, those would be like heaven to kids, I feel.

Like if you can go and like order, made to order food. Now, you said in Jersey, do you ever steal any ideas from these wawas or anything for the smoothie shop? I think, no, no. I mean, I thought of, like, running kiosks. So that's what, like, the one. A-I? Yeah. I mean, order on the screen is a very nice little touch that Wawa implemented.

What is this? What's our smoothie shop called? Solberry. Where's it at? We got one in Brigancy, New Jersey, which is the town I live at the shore, and then Ocean City, New Jersey. So we got two. Ocean City. Oh, man, that's a roommate with Ocean City.

What's our, what's our order? What's our favorite order there? The Tehi Shimon, which is just an assayee, bowl base. granola, peanut butter, blueberries, and banana. And our peanut butter is second than none, though. We get it from a special place. Only a few people carry it. It's bazini is the brand that makes it.

And it's, I don't know how to fuck they make it, but it's really good. Do you sell sides of smelling salts? Well, no, technically I couldn't if we were selling the NFL guys, but, Um, no, I try to keep, just keep that separate from business, you know. Now, do you still use smelling salts? Yeah. I actually just found a bag in my, in my top dresser drawer not long ago, like 40, probably, what are they, five, 10 years old at this point.

So they're perfectly seasoned. And every once in a while, I'll crack it, crack one open while I'm down there. There we go. These are just, this is the salts. It's not the, uh, these can get, these can get like, tricky when you when you put them oh yeah that's a little that's a little wheat it's like it's like when you see your grandpa just like take whiskey just like this and just not even move yeah so you have some 10 year old smelling salts and that was probably like if like a regular

person finds like a $20 bill in their pocket they're like static for wheat jb finds 13 year old fucking smelling salts in his top drawer he's yeah you toss that back to me actually wouldn't matter thank you yeah what are you up to these days So I'm working for the NFLPA. Cool. Advocating for the, for the community that I came from, which is really, it's, it's been fulfilling. I've been there full time since March. I was kind of like in that space doing other things.

But as of March, they kind of brought me full time on board. And then I'm running Soulberry, got the two shops down the shore. And then just being a dad, man, I got four kids. And they keep me very busy. and just being a fucking rock star husband to my rock star wife, man. She's the fucking little Jenny. Little Jenny. Jimmy always talk about Jenny.

Yeah. Whenever you, oh, yeah, you know, Jenny, Jenny, Jenny. You look, it's the best. I absolutely love. So I went, I went to elementary school with her. Yeah. And we lived like less than a mile apart, like my entire childhood. And then we reconvene.

I was in Cincinnati during the lockout. kind of home like during the summer didn't know what the fuck to do and uh she was living down the shore and just randomly like got a text from two of her friends that needed a ride home from the shore they're like hey can you come pick us up and they were staying with jenny and i went down there first time i had seen her in probably five plus years and she since like high school went to temple cheered for the sixers did a lot of stuff she was working in marketing um down at the casinos in ac and living in Brigantine, and I remember seeing her on the beach for the first time. I was like, God damn, Jenny grew up.

And then I drove those, her two friends home. And I was at my neighbor's house, and he just passed away, rest in peace, Kevin Case. But he, I was just talking to him, and I said, hey, you know, if I had to marry someone right now, it would be Jenny Waddington. That was her maiden name. and fucking manifested that shit again, man. It made it happen. He's just a manifest. Oh, man.

This got me hype, bro. Married 13 years, four kids, man. It's fucking beautiful. It is beautiful. They are a beautiful couple. That's an American love story. We got to make that a movie. Honestly, we got to make that a Philly movie.

I like Hallmart, Philly movie. I like this. Now, how much football are we still watching these days? I mean, youth football a ton. Are you watching pros? Yeah, I still watch the pros as much as I can. I mean, my kids will play on Sundays, which sometimes gets a little tricky.

But definitely watching, I mean, the Eagles are in prime condition right now to watch them. And my kids are big time fans at the Eagles. I think they're still loyal. They're like Patriots 1A, Eagles 1B. Right now. You guys are in a Philly area.

Exactly. So they can't not be. They can't like buck that trend. But they'll still wear like Patriots jerseys and shit to the NFC and stuff. Yeah. But it is a fun. time to grow up an Eagles fan which is like one of the reasons I wanted to to bring up this game

was like I was diehard Eagles for 21 years growing up until I kind of made that jump to the NFL right and so like now seeing and I also grew up in a great time of Eagles football you know when they were making it making it to the NFC championship four years in a row McNabb Westbrook Trotter like that whole kind of old school style um football brian dalkins my favorite yeah i mean that motherfucker dude um yeah he put him he was star i saw a floater for like three weeks after that yeah he would man um but yeah so i'm just i'm i'm i'm happy that my kids get to experience that just like i did heck yeah you watching the pats at all what were our thoughts i mean i think they're they're like young they're just trying to kind of build their identity um but i think in

time we just need a little bit more time like to build the consistency time on task we need we need some continuity you know i think the the leaders like when we were in new england there was such a like a passing of the of the torch from year after year after year we had like the core group and that core group has all kind of been dismantled but they're starting to build a new core now so you just need time you need like shared experience so you can like look in people's eyes and and know what the fuck to expect from them in these, like, hard moments. And I think that'll come over time.

And you just, right now, you're just kind of in that building phase, right? So I got full confidence in Coach Frable and what he's doing. I think he's an intelligent guy that brings good energy, good intensity, expects a lot. And so I'm excited for him, man. We just need to give him the time that they deserve. Yeah. They need a fullback?

They had one. um brock lampy but he got hurt in camp i think he broke his foot finished practice though so he's got i mean it's a full back well it's a full back got a little it got a little grit to him um but now yeah they're using like a tight end jack west over um and he's a good dude he's a he's a good kid um but yeah they're they're bringing it back josh always likes to use it he yeah it's it's a nice piece to play this chess game that we call football um you know and so i think i'll why is it a nice piece. Well, funny you ask. I just think that it allows for a lot of, it allows for a lot of versatility as an offense. I think it kind of like draws the line in the sand, like we're going

to be a tough team. And I think football is a very cyclic game, right? And when all fences got real like past dominant, defenses obviously have to morph and to try to defend the pass, right? so linebackers get a little smaller. Safety's get a little more, you know, athletic and be able to have range and not so much coming downhill like Sean Taylor, Brian Dawkins, all these guys, Ed Reed. I mean, Ed Reed had range,

but he also would come down and crack guys. So as these defense has changed, like, well, what does the offense do, then? It cyclically kind of like starts to morph to play to their weaknesses. And now if they have 230-pound linebackers, and you can put a 250 to fucking 310 pounds now we're seeing like the chargers and the ravens they got these behemoths at fullback just paving away for derrick henry and like god damn you put

550 pounds in the backfield and just running these dudes let's do it right so i think the game of football as it kind of sickly comes around i think fullback's bigger tight ends like road graders are starting to come back a little bit and i'm here for it. bro yeah i love it it's i mean all the winning teams always usually have like a fullback of some sort or a run game and usually if you have a run game you have a foolback yeah you know but what what kind of football that are you i know your boys are playing ball now yeah so that's yeah it's it's i've thought a lot about this i've thought a lot about it i didn't want to add any pressure to

my boys right because like coming from a football family there's going to be that like just inherent oh see a last name and they like now there's expectations right so i was my boys played flag when they were young my oldest jimmy um came to me after his first his first flag season and goes like that and uh i like flag but i want to play real football like put pads on and i was like all right let's do it so the following fall we we signed them up for real football and I was going to, I was going to coach. And then they had a practice. I did fingerprint a whole process and shit.

It was a couple days away from getting my clearance to go out there and help. I like that. Yeah. I like the process for, yeah. Let's fingerprint these coaches. Absolutely. And so, I'll tell you right now, I had an old coach. That dude definitely was at the bar doing some crazy shit before.

Yeah. Shouldn't have been a coach. Yeah. So I, uh, yeah, I had a moment. where like I wasn't yet coaching and I pulled Jimmy off and I was getting like real technical on some shit and like kind of just overly like in his face about it and I watched like the joy drain off his face in that moment and I was like you know what like what I got to give I don't think they're ready for it right so let me give them a couple years just to have fun

like play the game learn the game do their thing and then if they continue to to play when they get a little bit more mature and they can take the coaching and all that shit. Because we were coached hard, right? Like you said, like I remember my first youth football coach, dude, never wore shoes. And he always had like long kind of raggedy hair, but I love that, dude. Like, I'd play ball for him. He was a football coach. And so, you know, like, sometimes you've got to have those experiences.

You got to have those tough moments. I mean, football's a hard game, you know, and if anyone gives themselves to it, you got to give it the respect that it deserves and so I'm right now I'm just playing on the sideline I get to watch everything I get to see every single play every move they make um and when the time is right I will I will move in and try to shepherd those guys in the way that I you know know football shepherd them yeah this guy's using biblical terms shepherding in the kids hey we're all growing up a little bit man Look at this shit, dude.

You're fucking growing up. What are you talking about, bro? Yeah. You're growing up. We're all growing up. This is a great production you got. We're all growing up. Now, hold up.

Before I go any further, I'd be remissed if I don't say congratulations on the red jacket. Thank you, bro. I can't believe it took me this long to fucking... Get out of here. To bring that to recall, man. But fucking well-deserved. Wish I would have been there. Watch the whole ceremony.

um on youtube but uh yeah man it was it was great and and slate brought it up and i've told you this to your face several times in the past is it's been like one of the highlights of my career like being in new england from 2012 to 2019 i kind of saw the full spectrum of julian edelman right like when i got there west was still the man um you were like waiting in the wings but you were still doing your thing and then I just saw the fucking full like climb to the top and then let's say that you know the peak was that and the Super Bowl MVP right so I got to witness that whole thing and that was just like the work ethic you showed the amount of work that and attention to detail and all that shit that you put in and this the example that you set for young guys I mean it was

it was remarkable man so I think it's just it's special and I should recognize that the greatness that's in this room with me. Get out of here, man. I appreciate that. You think I apologize enough for being an asshole to certain guys? I don't think I did.

You don't need to apologize, man. What's done is done. Do businesses, business is being done. There was assholes in that locker room. So, fuck it, man. What's done? I always wanted, you know, I always felt like if I'm working this hard,

you should be working this hard too. Yeah. If you're a young guy. Yeah. Sometimes I'd be in a hole about it sometimes. Fuck it. Hey. But that's how I was taught.

That's what guys were doing to me when I was young. Just like, what do you say? And passing of the torch. It worked. Well, Yom Kippur is coming up. You can always, you know. I'm going to atone for all those. Shoot some Texas back.

I'm going to, I'm going to shoot. Yes. Great. Great. It's a throwback right there. Callback. I was going to say Billy Madison. Those people to kill this call.

We're right on the time to say that right now. Oh, my bad. Is Pennsylvania the best state for high school football? It's up there. I think like Florida, Georgia, California. I don't know. I don't really know much about California. So I just threw that in because you're sitting here.

Smart guy. But I know like, I know what is it? The mission something. DeLis South, Mission VEO, Long Beach, Paul. I mean, the list goes out. Not Redwood City though. Woodside. We were pretty good.

Yeah. We went 13 and no. But we weren't. like we did that like once like the big powerhouse schools you go to like PPSL and NorCal which is like the St. Francis is the Sarahs the Bellarmines

and you have the I think the NCS or something which is De LaSalle and then you come down south I'm learning all the Southern California football it's such a big state yeah it is that like we have we have great high school football yeah yeah and I mean you got like but Pennsylvania

bro you guys have Joe Montana Dan Marino You got Revis, you have James Devlin. There's countless. One of the, I played a lot with a lot of Pittsburgh kids because I went to Kent State. And like some of the, we would always get like the guys that weren't big enough or, you know, the big badass dudes are going to Penn State. They were going everywhere. Yeah, yeah.

But like, I always thought Pittsburgh had elite football. Oh, man. Here in Donald. I mean, Pennsylvania. Robbie G. Robbie G. He's a little bit. He's a buffalo guy.

He got, he got, just me, he sent an email to a teacher and went to public school in Pittsburgh for one year. That doesn't count. Michael Parsons, Sequin Barclay. Like, I mean, LaShawn McCoy. LaShawn McCoy, dude, like. LaShawn McCoy. They had some, they have elite people in Pennsylvania. They do, but it's kind of spread out between, like, Philly, Pittsburgh.

What I will say, if it's not the best, it's definitely the grittiest. Between Pittsburgh and Philly, like, name two grittier cities. It's tough to top that. You know? I'm like, I love. Menlo Park and, uh, Brentwood. Gritty Silicon Valley. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. You know what? Everyone always tried to talk that shit about California. I just say two, two words. One name. Logan Mankins. Okay. That's all.

That's all I got to say. Yeah, there's Fresno State boys are different. They're growing up on farms and shit. I mean, Lorenzo O'Neal. We had them in here, dude. Yeah. He's a Fresno guy or Central Valley, they call it. Uh-huh.

Is there an east-west rivalry in Pennsylvania? no there's more of like a a pa ohio rival yeah there's that's there's the super game right uh big 33 but now i think it's called difference it might be super 33 or something like that but now i think they incorporate maryland too um i actually don't know that for a fact and just kind of threw that in but yeah it used to be the big 33 and that was a big big big game um it was the 33 best prospects from PA versus Ohio, I was not selected. Still kind of salty about that, but, you know, at the time, I just didn't, didn't fucking earn it yet.

No, it's the big 33. That was huge. Well, I want to know, decision to go to Brown. Were you recruited anywhere else, or what did that process like that for you? So I was like a bigger kid when I was young. You were full grown at 12? Yeah, like sophomore year of high school, I was like. hair when you're 13 six three now but I probably had facial hair but like so

sophomore year high school what I was a man 14 he was a fucking little full grown 14 a sophomore year I was six three like two 35 and so I was like playing and just like defeating guys off my size and then I think you know colleges saw that and they were like all all right let's get this kid a look then I never really grew past that and I never really got got much faster or like athletically gifted. I mean, the fact that I played 10 years in the NFL with the athleticism that I have is a fucking mystery. I am not that athletic, dude.

I ran a 50340. The one thing, no. I mean that, yeah. 20 is good. It's all it matters. 20's good. My 510.5 was always good. Yeah.

But the one thing that I have was like football IQ, like we were talking about earlier on 35 insertion points and shit. Like I learned how to how to expect things and how to like analyze what was happening in real time. Spatial awareness was always super strong for me. Like coming from the defensive side of the ball and like feeling things, you know how you can like feel like out of your periffs.

So at fullback it kind of all like culminated in work because I think about all the time like the guys that I was blocking for were like like probably a full half a second faster in the 40. But I'm still like leading them. Yeah. So how the fuck did they not run up my back all the time? It was like I was able to process information real fast and make decisions real fast.

And then it made up for that. So that like football IQ shit. Where the fuck where are we going? You asked about Brown. Yeah. So early in my high school career started getting like recruited by some bigger names, took visit. My first ever collegiate visit was to Michigan.

Wow. I went to the big house on their junior day. And I was like, fuck, dude, I'm going to be a wolverine. Like, I, no question about it. Those are the coolest helmets, too, especially at our time. They were kind of the same age. Yeah. Like Michigan was, you had Charles Winston won the fucking Heism there.

Yeah. They were Michigan, the big house. Chad Henny was from one town over essentially from me. And I, the game that I went to, their junior day was his first start versus Miami of Ohio and Ben Rathlethberger. Big Ben. And I remember, like, Braylin Edwards had a one-hander. back of the end zone um and it was just incredible right and so i was like all right i'm going to michigan like sign me up but offers never came and so then i started going like kind of kept

going down the ranks and then it was just like all right well if i'm not going to go to a big football school let me go to let me get the best education i can and kind of leverage football to get me in there so i had good grades um had good SAT scores like always super strong in math, and then I just fucking said, all right, it's Ivy League or nothing. And then I came down to Brown and Princeton. I took visits to both. Just felt like I connected more with the Brown, like, football team. I didn't really know anything about the school. Like, embarrassingly enough, like, I didn't really, like, do that research, but I was, you know, 17-year-old kid. Like, and then I-Leaks Ivy League. I just, I just liked the feel when I was in Providence

on my official visit like i had the time of my life and then i went to princeton the next week and it just it was fun it was princeton so it's like ooh like everyone's buttoned up like butting up like but i just didn't feel that like comfort yeah so then i just went to brown there's no thayer street in fucking princeton yeah man a shark remember shark yeah the man sam makin used to take me to shark oh yeah there's there's some spots on thayer street yeah east side pockets was meeting street which is like right behind Thayer. I've probably eaten there more than I've eaten anywhere in my entire life. Just a great little deli.

What's up with Ivy League guys becoming fullbacks? You and Ooschak? Yeah. Is he your favorite fullback right now? Who's your favorite fullback in the league? Right now, Ricard. Ricard. I think he's doing a great thing.

I mean, he's a little banged up right now. But then this Matlock dude I just met yesterday with the Chargers, he's doing great things as well. Yeah. That whole hard. They're going to lean on two more. Harball loves them some fullbacks, man, which I appreciate that. It's because they want to have drawn the line in the sand for being a tough football.

They're slinging it right now, though. They're slinging. So when you transitioned from defensive line to fullback, was there like, you're watching a lot of tape? Like, who are some of the fullbacks that were doing their stuff that you were like maybe modeling your game after? So, yeah, Vante Leach. I'd say it was like, he was the kind of pinnacle when I, got in and I thought that that dude was he was a bad dude I think the best blocking fullback of all time you've you've had on low kneel so but I remember watching a lot of ante leach

tape and like just seeing the way he like approached guys and then and then I was just trying to like fully learn offense the lingo the whole thing and when I was in the ufell like those those run the backs that I mentioned earlier they kind of show me like you know what it took to just read out runs because I had never done that before like on the move um so he yeah they're problem solvers a lot of the fullbacks the good ones like sometimes the line if they fuck it up they have to make it right adjust a lot of the times for a full back the line will do something and may get a different look and he's got to blow it up like that and not you know what I mean so there's a lot of like what he's saying, processing.

He has to be able to process where that guy is going, that tackle, that whatever, if it's a wham or something, if they're going to go in, he's got to be able to process on a dot on who to hit, when to hit, because then you've got to launch into it and get your pad level. It's like, it's not just like go hit the guy.

Yeah. I mean, let's not get this twisted. It's not rocket science. What? But the problem solving thing is a big piece of it. And like, that's one thing.

I was studied engineering at Brown and like that's a big time component of engineering it's problem solving like yeah you got to know the math you got to know the science you got to know all that shit but then like when shit goes wrong

how are you gonna like modify your thinking? So your engineering helped your fullbacking? I think so I think so so all you young kids you want to be a fullback go get your engineering degree now the Patriots like running back room

had a lot of different styles of running back from Sony Michelle James Wright Rex Bergerall they all brought something different to the table now if you're blocking for them how does that affect like your craft and your technique you block differently for each each guy i i would like to believe that i didn't but i definitely felt who i was blocking for so like i think it's probably between l g and dion lewis who my favorite backs were to block for because lg you could like you could kind of like get a glance and blow on that on a guy and he's going to be like he'll fucking finish that that all that for you but then Dion was so slippery that it was like you know what I will say like there's an element of the the amount of trust you have behind that guy like to set up your block to like predict how I'm going to take this dude on so that he can cut off of it like Shane was real good at that

Shane Verene like very good at like the patience to like let it and let me make contact so then he can like boop and go the other way right versus like guys that don't have to that patient so they're just like they're predicting it and they almost can't fucking wait to get into that hole and they can fuck and then it fucks me up yeah so if he's not setting up his block he's got to go widen so he can widen if he doesn't if he doesn't widen and he goes then this guy can overplay james and go inside yeah so he's got to wait to the very last minute they always say step on the heel step on the outside you go the heels of the guy so he can get the right and then he can cut off so will ever be a time where like you

read a place situation and you and you block it in a certain way and then a guy just doesn't help you out with just like just piss you off and like what is that you just mean it yeah it pisses you off well that's why the line of the guy matters because if he goes like this and this guy and James has got to get around him and set the edge

if he's not setting it up wide or you know what I mean or if it's supposed to go in reading the it's all everything I think like outside zone plays were always kind of tricky because like you're you got to let the whole play develop while you're running and then the running back he might see something early before like i've already passed it and then he sees it and then it's like he's cutting up and i'm expecting the linebacker to flow completely over the top then it's like i don't have to have a chance to get into

yeah yeah but then like you know inside or like inside zone plays a lot more like downhill where there's just less room to go so that you know that's i like i like the inside zone plays because is just kind of like line up and go get them, you know. But yeah, there's, there's a, the trust factor. Like I always, I always appreciated the relationship between the running back and the fullback. I remember when I was first kind of making that transition, like you mentioned about who you watched, I remember watching a thing on, I think it was like a 30 for 30 or

something on ESPN about Mike Carney, the running back for the, or the fullback for the Rams and his relationship with Stephen Jackson and how they were like buddy buddy and they would like do shit together to have dinners together or got their families together and I remember just like loving that because I like part of the reason I love the game of football is is like the brotherhood you build between your teammates like I never had a brother growing up so it was always like kind of searching for that connection and the football gave me that connection and then it's like now I got like this kind of connection with these running backs is like it's like I'm their big brother like I'm their protector like you're not going to get to me until you go through

him you know and I fucking love that like it gives me chills just thinking about it protect you I fucking love yeah and like and damn and now I got that that relationship with Jenny like I'm her protector I'm my kids protector you know so you got to kind of you got to go through me before you get to them fucking me you want to go run to the wall right now should fullbacks be eligible for the protector of the year award they should they should they should That's what we do. Hey, NFOPA. Maybe you can put a word in.

Yeah. There we go. Quick before we move on, Mount Rushmore or Fulmex. Ooh. Oh, man. Quick. Vante Leach, Tom Rathman. Yeah, I know you would.

Who did I say first? Low. Oh, Low Neal. Lorenzo Neal. You said Van der Leach. Yeah, Vante Leach. So Lorenzo Neal, Vante Leach, Tom Rathman. I mean, I

Corey Schlesinger was good up in Detroit You know, we had Max Strong was a fucking man amongst men Best fullback name ever Yeah, oh my God, yeah Jeez Born to be a fullback

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Let's move on. Let's go back into time around where the game took place. This game took place on February 4th, 2018, which is now starting to be, that's almost 10 years away. That's crazy to think. It's getting kind of old. We usually do these games,

and they're fucking like, oh, this is like two years ago. But the number one movie, Jamongi, welcome to the jungle, number one song, God's plan by Drake. Remember all that? That new Jamongy was pretty good. I liked it. I liked you to see it.

I was with The Rock, right? The Rock and Christmas. Yeah. Jack Black. Jack Black? Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart. Kevin Hart.

Yeah. Walking Dead. Games of Thrones. Vikings. Stranger Things were all popping off TV. Did you watch any of these during this time? Yeah. Game of Thrones. Well, I didn't watch Game of Thrones when it first came out, but I went back, circle back, and we watched that.

Stranger Things I've always been into. I think it's kind of starting to lose it. Losing its steam for sure. Too much time in between. You're like 30 now. It's getting too like complex. I don't know what's going on in what dimension. I'm like, yeah, just let's wrap this up.

Let's put a bow on it. January 1, California legalizes cannabis for recreational use. Wow. Is that that long ago? Recreational use. Were the first one? No, they were the first largest. They were the biggest.

Denver wasn't? Colorado. I think it was Colorado. I get medicinal and recreational confused. used. Well, this is like you could go just go get it. Anyone can go get it. Yeah. Yeah. Super Bowl champions, Philadelphia Eagles, MVP, Tom Brady, uh, Natty Champs, Alabama, Baker,

Mayfield was the Heisman. Wow. What was the pregame playlist before game? For me? Yeah. Uh, kind of a little bit of everything. As I got later into my career, I went more, um, into like, like hardcore metal. And I, I just wanted, that like slaughter to prevail is weird people are going to think i'm fucking crazy for even saying that shit but for there's something that like the like the choppiness of the guitar

and the drums just get me going man and like that mentality that i get in um when let's i still listen that when i train just because you know you got to get into like a dark place and i think that stuff puts me there so but yeah i i'd dabble with like I kind of came up in, like, the late 90s, I didn't come up in it, but like I, when I was going through high school and college, like, I really got into like the late 90s, early 2000s, New York hip hop. So I was Mob Deep, Wutan Klan, all that kind of stuff. And so Shook Ones was always on the playlist. Survival of the fittest by Mob Deep was always on a playlist. Yeah, I had a few.

No, what's, what's 2018 James like? Well, at that point, I had two boys. I hadn't quite had my daughter yet. That was a year later. But just kind of like learning how to be a dad, learning how to be like a family man, but also an NFL fullback. And this particular game was real odd for me

because I had so much. family in in Minnesota for this one because my wife's cousin worked for the Eagles so she had her connection to tickets we had ours obviously and we had like 30 maybe touching 40 people in town geez and it was how many tickets they give you well what do they get it gave me like 11 12 but then I was able to get more which I didn't know about when I was like when we were going to super bowls I was younger I just thought like you got what you got yeah and like don't fucking make a fuss but then I started realizing like as we went back a couple times like you could just go and get as many as you fucking need really you know I didn't I remember slate telling me like hey just just go ask

um forget the guy's name now but Stacy no I could like draw him he had glasses but that's that's neither here nor there. But yeah, like you could just go the week of the Super Bowl when you're in town and just like, hey, I need five or six more tickets. And they just... Now, how far removed from your nuclear family do they start rooting for the Eagles?

Pretty immediately. Like my dad, even. But then, yeah, like... Your dad was rooting for the Eagles in this game? No, I mean, I think he was obviously rooting for me and the Patriots, but I think he was definitely like, happy. I mean, he grew up. Eagles are all he ever knew. It's all I ever knew while I was a kid, you know, and so. And this is their first one. This was their first one. Let's jump into this game,

Jackie. No matter what your dad's leaving that stadium happy. Yeah. Yeah. Win, win for Mr. Devlin. Let's go. So we run through the Eagles real quick first? All right, these guys were 13 and three. They're winning his season since 0.4. Coincidentally, that season also ended with a meeting of the Patriots in the Super Bowl. That was the T.O. Andy Reid era, Donovan had a broken. He had a broken theme or something. Yeah. Seriously. And he still played a little bit. Yeah. He had like 130 yards or something. Fred X, all that. That was a good era.

Yeah. This was the second year of the Doug Peterson era in Philly. Coming off a year in which he went seven and nine had some notable coordinators, Frank Craig, Jim Schwartz. And then the biggest storyline. Remember Bill used to call Schwartz? Schwartzie. Yeah. Now Schwartzie's going to crash, crunch, chase. Yeah. Just kept this simple, man. And then the, uh, the big storyline late in the season was week 14. Carson Wendtares, Hears his ACL in a 45-35 win over the Rams.

This was also a team that brought in some veteran free agents. You bring in Tori Smith. You bring in Alshan Jeffrey. You bring in Chris Long. Nick Foles, L.G., who we've been talking about today. Of course, great guys in the line. You got Jason Kelsey. You got Lane Johnson.

Malcolm Jenkins. I mean, these guys, Jalen Mills, another guy that went on to the Patriots. So I wasn't around for this. I was hurt. Yeah. What was the keys to beat in this team? What was the era of this Philly team? What were they preaching about this team?

So they were off to like such a fucking hot start this year. And Wentz, like, had he finished his season, I mean, he would have been up for the NBA. Oh, yeah. It was like God-deared season. And then when it, when he got hurt and then like Nick Falls took over and they were still kind of win in, right? You know, they had three losses. Yeah. And I've, but they may have been undefeated under Wentz or like maybe one.

one loss under Carson wins that was week two with Kansas City okay um so they were really early seed yeah and so you were like all right so like they still got a little bit of life in them what falls but you were kind of always waiting for for the wheels to fall off right and then they go through that playoff run and they take on this identity as like we're the underdogs like nobody fucking believes in the dog masks and it was like man we just got to we got to we got to like be able to outlast these guys you know like they got fight but we're the patriots like this is what we do we play in the february and so like we just got a we got to outlast them and i mean their defense was always real aggressive their d line was real good you know they have fletcher cox holding it down

they had brandon graham on the edge and like um you know so if we just handled them you know we could we could just take care of business i mean and our offense did did a phenomenal job like the itself. I know we'll get into it more detail later, but like, we were ready to go and we, you know, we did our thing. Come through for 500 yards. Yeah. I mean, I think it still is the the game

with the most offensive yards. Yeah, we're a lot of time. Get into this Patriots team. Let's hear it. Unbelievable. Let's get into these 2017 Patriots. We're looking to repeat. 13 and 3 also, best team in the AFC, 18th year of the Bill Belichick era.

Josh running the offense, McDaniels, that is. Matty Pee running the defense. Coming off the Super Bowl win the year prior, we all remember 28 to 3. Jules was out this season, the freaking turf in Detroit prior to the season in the preseason. Took my boy out.

I hated that. I was sad, man. And then we got to get in some of these dudes. We got James, of course, Brandon Bowen, Rex Burkhead, Dionne Lewis, James White, Dola. One that I forgot, Kenny Britt. But Brandon Cooks was a huge part of this,

too. Brandon Cooks, Philip Dorset, Rob. I mean, you got, Big Allen Branch, David Andrews at center, Teddy Karras, friend of the show, Jack Mason, Nate Solder, Stephen, Stefan Gilmore. I mean, this was a heck of a Patriots team looking to go back to back. Yeah, man.

How would you sum up this 2017 Pat's team? I mean, we were, we just had a lot of talent, man, and we were like, we were cooking. And I remember, like, despite losing you, like, we were, the offense or the wide receiver room was able to, like, kind of galvanize around Danny Hogan, like, these guys. that were kind of just scrappy dudes as well you know and so you just kind of like kept kept riding the wave man i mean we we were decimated with some injuries like you of course but then you know was dante out all year did i go out all year yeah looks like it was a lot of banged up me name that's when we brought in badamosi like yeah what's it like um like at this time

Jules is kind of a core member of the team what's it like losing a player like that so early in the season from like a cultural locker room standpoint it's it's real tough man because like he just leaves such a whole like not only in his gameplay but also his personality his leadership like you know and when you when you miss that everyone else has to like like kind of bring that those elements in their game or they like look to other guys um But, yeah, I mean, losing, like, even when we didn't have time for four weeks that one year, like, and then we all kind of rally around it almost because it's like, all right, well, we got to take on that load, you know, collectively. Like, no one person can do what Jules did, you know, so, but all of us together, working together, doing our thing and making up for that, like, we might come close to it. It's like the money ball kind of philosophy.

Yeah, yeah. Rob always talks about you being in the tight-in meetings. How are those meetings? I mean, well, it's a day ball left for Bama this year, right? Yeah. And then we got Nick Cayley. Yeah. And who's an offensive coordinator of Houston right now?

Houston, yeah. Just got to get these guys up front to block a little bit, you know? But, yeah. Well, Kaylee. No, but between those two, I was very blessed to be in that tight end room. Dave's taught us how to, like, how to process information. He taught us how to think quickly. He was a great coach, man.

I love Dave's. And then Nick Cayley came in and he just coached with his fucking heart, man. And, like, that dude cares. He cares about his guys. He cares about his performance. So I know he's probably going through it right now down in Houston. But, yeah, like, sometimes you got to take those lumps as a young OC. But you and Gronk do, like, math battles in the room or something?

Because you like numbers. He likes numbers. Yeah, but he didn't do numbers. Like, I do numbers from him. Oh. Yeah. Are you a numbers guy? Yeah, yeah. I heard him say what his SAT score was. I got him by like 50 points.

Ooh, 780? 780? 780. I'd be like, 780. 580 and with the words, though, I don't do well with the words. Do you know what? Like, that's only missing like one or two questions. You know what you missed? No. James, were you also in the running back room? Some like in their meetings as well? My first year. Okay. My first year I was in the running back room. And I mean, I don't think. What's the difference between the running back room and the tight end room? Let's hear this one. I mean, a lot more, like, liveliness in the run-the-back room. There's a lot more, like, joking. Tighten room was, like, very professional, you know? Like, even though we had Rob in there, like, in a, you know, man-to-man,

like, Rob isn't, like, the party boy fucking, like. He's a pro. Yeah, and he's very intelligent, we're very diligent about the way he approached his game. And then, like, between me and then we had, we always had, like, the third guy, right? Like, it was either Marty. or Who Man early or Dwayne Allen and like so we had like the third guy and then usually like a younger dude that was coming up Jake Hollister or something like that right so just a lot more like professional I'd say in the in the in the in the tight end room but I was holding a lot I learned a lot from of how to like how to behave as a running back with Ives in that room like we have Woody Woody at the time when I first got there in 2012 he was like he was a whiz when it came to like processing information and like being able to see things i mean he had motherfucker like he could run the ball he was people

think he was like he was like a two meter champion and shit he's like a track star yeah what he was fast as balls and he was like he was short but he wasn't small he was a thick little motherfucker yeah and just like so shifty like could stop on a dime and like then his acceleration to like get back on. You remember what was in? I was asking anyone who played with Woody. You remember Woody would be in his locker and he'd come over and he'd give you that like,

do your calves feel like they're running in quicks with little mosquitoes biting them? Like he would go with the craziest thing. Like, are your glutes holding on by little strings that would snap a baby's head off? And then he'd go have his best practice. You go practice his nuts off. You know what I mean?

That was Woody. yeah no we had some characters in there man when i when i first got in that that running back room it was woody shame um uh fucking uh red red oh my god yeah man we had we had some times and then but then going to the tight end room my first year going with tight ends george gotsy was tight end coach oh yeah we had an absolute like revolving door at that at that like fourth tight end spot I mean, it was like started out Gronko obviously always the mainstay

who man was the mainstay like as the two or three guy right? And then like that other guy was like Aaron then that whole shit happened and then it was Vesanti Shanko and then it was Kellan Winslow Jr. And then it was

who else did we have? Matt Mulligan. He did him. He played with us for a while. He blocked. Mully did. like kind of lit the fire under me to be like a weight room. Yeah, he's a meathead. Oh, yeah.

Like he used to challenge me. Remember, we used to deadlift like 700 pounds. And I had never been to deadlifter. Like being like a longer torso guy, like body mechanics just doesn't really like make for a good deadlifter for me. But I started like chalking up and fucking pulling weight. And I swear that posterior chain, like that 2013, 14 era of me, I felt like invincible running through guys.

Like just that amount of like strength you have in your glutes, your lower back, like, you know, just I was like very ready to take on, make contact. Prime right there, those errors. Yeah. That's when I felt like I was 27, 28 was like my athletic peak. And after that, you're not going up anymore, but you're getting smarter.

And you're declining. You know what I mean? but 28 fucking I felt like I was flying too that's probably you were 26 27 28 yeah those three years yeah I was like 26 and in 16 now how was bill with the fullback what's your best bill story do you ever give you anything good I mean not really no and I was he loved Jim

yeah he love Jimmy and I but I was also like kind of just like like when it came to bill I I was I guess I could say like intimidated. Everyone, I was too. And so I just, like, wanted to, I never wanted to say the wrong thing, so I would, like, say just as little as possible, you know, and just be like, okay, nope, okay, got it. And he never really, like, went out of his way to coach me up real hard because I always

got it from either, like, tight-hand coach or, um, or Josh or Scar. Scar was never, like, shy about, like, correcting me. Um, but I do remember, like, Scar, like, Scar giving me love when I was. was first kind of trying to get my foot in the doors being like the fullback for the Patriots like I remember him like hey man like you're you're gonna be like a heartbeat to this run game like if you can if you can keep this going like you'll have a spot here and like that those kind of like little personal touches scar was always the best that yeah in that building man like that shit goes a long way yeah because you always feel like you got eyes on you and then when someone like

props you up a little bit um you know especially from scar yeah what's the wildest thing you ever heard scar say oh man there's a lot uh i mean just his little like one one lineers um like i don't i don't fucking remember i wasn't in the o line meetings yeah i wasn't in o line meetings either but like you know run game meeting you'd hear some shit um i don't have a particular one fellas same same cars different license places what one thing that i used use often as when I talk about like ball from even when we were playing right. inertia you'd always say inertia well that that's when that's when men were men and women were damn proud of it or something like that I always used that like oh bad that was when men

were men and women were proud of it yeah he he would get into like some science too he he would we got 600 pounds here you got 340 pounds here jim you're another 3 250 you guys just ride it that's called inertia Yeah. You remember that? Yeah. You'd always say inertia. Yeah.

What's the one coaching point out of any of the coaches you've never forgotten? My first running back coach in Cincinnati was big on hitting through not two. So like when you get to the guy and you make contact, like you're not like your job's not done then. Like you got to run your feet and like run through him. So don't pitter-patter before you make that contact and like, uh, you. You know, like, you just got to fucking go and act as if he's, like, a yard behind him and just continue fucking running. Because the worst thing you can do is hesitate and fuck the whole flow of the play up, right? So, like, you just got to, you just got to, like, run through.

He's a for golf. It's not for golf, too. That's what I tell Lillian conditioning. Yeah. Hey, I'll stop on the fucking line. Yeah. You run through the damn line. Yeah.

It's kind of like that, like, the man that loves walking will walk. will walk further than the man that loves the destination like I love that shit why in love with the process and it's all about the process even even in like this little microcosm of like blocking like you got to love that that more than you want to make this block like you just got to go through your progression of it and love that and then you'll be a good blocker I agree so before we move on to the lead up um as you mentioned earlier Jules wasn't really around this season are they fun stories from this team that you that you could tell jules that happened this year to give him fomo yeah we went to air force didn't you guys for the mexico game we did that was an experience

stadiums teca yeah man we uh we did do the whole denver to colorado springs uh visit that was cool we got to like tour the olympic village there um or whatever they call it i think it's the olympic village having having uh dbo james harrison on the team was an experience Oh, we even talked about that yet. Yeah, so I remember the first time I saw him as a Patriot. Like, we had played against him and the Steelers several times. And I still remember to play. We were running like 25 Flash.

And I had to, like, go and kind of, like, kick him out on the backside. But I cut him. Just to throw at him. Just give him something a little different. And the first thing he said, when we were, like, walking out the practice one day, like went and introduced myself and he's like you the motherfucker to cut me i was like yeah man i mean you're fucking james harrison like you know i just didn't feel like taking you on up top that day and he's like man but then we like learned to work together and you know did a whole

thing but that that dude he was a man he was a man amongst men i'm about weight room guys got at all that were i mean he was an early early morning workout guy yeah i would always get it in in the middle of the day and i still kind of like that like if need be i'll do cardio in the morning but i i need my body like wake up a little bit but yeah he's he's put on some absolute exhibition in the weight room but yeah jump into the game jacky uh let's get into the quick lead up here we touched on a lot of this earlier both teams came in as the number one seed uh yet philly took on this underdog mentality wearing the dog masks they were underdogs from the betting perspective in the atlanta game and they rain with that put

that chip on their shoulder. The Pats, meanwhile, one 11 of their last 12, hot, overcoming the big injuries. Dante Hightower, just to recap that one, ended up on Iyer after week seven, tore the peck, banged up a little bit with a knee after week two, missed a couple games. So that was huge. Jules out, obviously. But came in, we beat Tennessee,

blew him out the divisional round. Then that memorable championship game against the Jags, Blake Bortles and the guys came into Foxborough. Playoff Dola. Playoff Dola. Gilly-Gilly with the boop. Yeah. Man, what a game that was. And then meanwhile, over in the NFC, Philly took down Atlanta, 15 to 10.

Was this Phantom call this year? No, that was the next year. That was the next one. And then smoked Minnesota in the championship round. This was Minnesota's Miracle of Minneapolis? No. That was the week before. Yeah, it was the divisional round where they beat.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. It was this year. We did that with Josh DeMall. Yeah. Insert the tag right here so we can send viewers to that episode. whatever it's called. And this was,

we mentioned a little bit earlier, a Super Bowl 39 rematch. Down in Jacksonville. Remember that one? Rodney Harrison and the boys. New England won that one, 24. I remember where I was watching that game.

Oh, tell us. My best friend, Sean's basement. He had the whole neighborhood over. And watching that game, I was a big Eagles fan at the time. I remember, like, just fucking despising the Patriots and, like, Tom. And like, oh, Tom, such a little cry baby.

that kind of talk um all right how how did talk like going into meeting tom for the first time like thinking like that after being a philly guy hating him yeah what was your thought after meeting them like yeah i mean and i tell i tell this a lot because people often ask me like oh what's tom like because i like when people are jealous and people see that kind of greatness i think a lot of times like, you know, you just pick on anything. And every once in a while, they'd show Tom yelling at his receivers, like, you know, yelling at fucking Billy O on the sideline. And so, like, all of a sudden, like, now you're seeing this out of context. And it's like, oh, well, he's like a fucking, he's like a crab baby. Right. So I just, I just was like, yeah, that's what I'll talk

about too. Right. And so then going to school up in the New England area and then witnessing all the greatness my whole four years are brown and just the jealousy that I that I got for not only the Pats but also like the Bruins at that time the Celtics were winning the socks won a couple it was like every year a different a different Boston team was winning something and so I just got more and more disdain towards that shit and then lo and behold two years later I'm up in Foxborough and it's like man then I meet the guy and just like everyone else that tells this story it's like he comes up and approaches you as if you're like like as if he is like anybody else right and so i always appreciated that like his his person ability

um to just kind of be one of the guys and be like hey nice to meet you i'm tom brady we're happy to have you here you know it's like he doesn't need to say that shit but he does and so um yeah i just i think it kind of humanizes him in a very, very nice way. Yeah. He's a human. I guess he's human. What's it like playing in fucking Minnapolis? How was this as a host town for when you guys went out there and practiced?

I mean, I don't think, I don't think they'll do it again. You know, it was, it was tough, man. We were in that mall. Like, I didn't do anything but stay in that mall because our hotel was connected to it. Then the Eagles were also in the mall, but like on the other side. And so that's all I even saw. ball and then I went out one time because my oldest his birthday's uh February 5th so whenever we would go to Super Bowls I'd always like make it a point to have whatever family came in we'd

have a birthday party for him and so I went out to get a cake one time for my son's birthday and then we had like the party in that fucking mall again and everything by the auntie hands like if not for that mall I don't think they could have done this shit but then I mean then the post game party was like was people that were at the game like not us because we took the bus but like everybody else they had to walk outside and so I remember my my wife's cousin got a beer like knocked over on him at the game and so his jacket was wet by the time he got to the after party it's fucking frozen solid freezing yeah there's like negative 17 something yeah something like that and so yeah I mean like we didn't even really witness what Minnesota was because we were just in

side the whole time. And I like there's like warm weather when you can get outside a little bit in February. I appreciate that. So I don't think they'll be going back up there anytime soon. Let me trace back real quick. Talking about those early 2000 Eagle teams and playing the Patriots, during that time frame, there was kind of a rivalry with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. What were your thoughts about Mike Allstott in that time frame?

Oh, man. Oh, my God. When I missed him on the fucking Mount Rushmore a fullback. Do you count him as a fullback? Oh, that's a great. Great question, man, because, like, he was much more of a running back. He was, yeah, he looked like a fullback, but, yeah. Like, he still let lead blocked every once in a while.

But when you also have Lorenzo Neal on that team, it's like, well, clearly the fullback is Lorenzo Neal. But Mike Allstop, man, that motherfucker, dude, like putting the two at M in the back field is, that was fun. I, so every, every game of my career, I watched two highlight tapes. before every game and when i was in college i watched ray lewis and brian dawkins where there's a particular brian dawkins video called weapon x where there's a little bit of like editing and remember he comes out of the smoke at the link and they make his eyes red and i'm like yeah it's me going right so then i would but then when i got to the NFL i started playing fullback i'll watch still watch weapon x then it also watched the a train highlights and like when he's running

through like the i think he had a crazy run against the vikings or some shit um on the goal line where he's kind of bouncing around and then like i've seen that and then like my first touchdown against the texans in 2013 where i like kind of bounce around all the way to the left side like it's very similar and i'm like oh man but mike alls that's a fucking man dude he and i got a chance to meet him got a chance to like share a couple texts with that guy um and that's like a cherished connection I have because that he is like when everyone talks about fullbacks it's like Mike off that's the that's so every fullback's dream is to be Michael yeah yeah yeah they're like gets the carries gets the touchdowns yeah he blows up the hole he gets a lead blocker he also

gets a lead blocker oh my god yeah I mean the way he'd get his pads so goddamn low oh my he'd be running but then his pads are like like 18 inches off the ground yeah like yeah like yeah there's one particular clip. Like, I'll never, I think he was against the, the Falcons. And he just, his, like, head is damn near touching the ground. And he bucks, like, the safety. And then, like, you know, recovers and runs it in for the rest of it. Like, yeah, his, he was just a crazy athlete, man, and just tough as nails.

And playing in that era of football when men were men, yeah. You just to drag a pickup or a Jeep for a workout. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's getting in this game, Jackie. Men, did you ever block Dawkins or Ray Lewis? No.

Never. No. I got knocked out by Ray Lewis. Yeah. I'd been in the building, though, when, like, when I was in CINCII, we played them, obviously twice a year. So, watching him come out in Baltimore, like, that was a whole, that was a whole thing. Ray Lewis can be doing his war dance. Yeah.

Yeah. He'll use to say that shit. Yeah. The songs was too, good, too, man, like that. T-sizzle, Pellodi Nata? Yeah. A whole fucking defense was. They had a crew just wrecked.

We didn't talk about it. We used to play them twice a year. Should we get into this game real quick? All right, let's get into this thing, as painful as this might be for me. We start this thing off. It's going to be an offensive day. Philly gets going with a 14-play 7-plus minute drive. Ends in three.

We respond with three. Philly gets on the board first with the touchdown. A big LG run sets up in Al-Shon-Jeffrey TD. These are chunk plays, baby. We got a 30-something-yard LG-run. We got a 30-something yard, Al-Shon Jeffrey touchdown. Chunk plays. High tower's not in.

High tower's not in. LG's running wild. Takes us to the start of the second quarter. Bad operation. Steve-O-Miss field goal. Not good. Then that takes us to the next second drive of the second quarter.

Two notable moments here. Brandon Cook's knocked out. Bad. Bad. And then the pass back to Tom. Dola pass back to Tom. Off the fingertips. That drive-ins in a four now.

we go forward on fourth don't pick it up not great now do you guys as players when like josh is dialing up these like gadget plays does that make you feel a certain way like oh he feels like we need to do this to move the ball is there like sort of pride or anything like when a gadget plays are getting called like this in a game

I know what I think yeah let Jimmy answer first in the answer yeah I mean I would say like I was never really involved with it when I was in the field like it was pretty much fucking basic plays right so but I do feel like the excitement got ramped up you know like like but hole gets a little bit tighter because it's like we only got one shot at this like we can we can run on every other play

multiple times but it's like you know this is like a once in a season type of opportunity we've run it a couple times of practice like it's worked but let's see how this unfolds and yeah I mean if you hit it it's fucking great but if you don't then it's on this list I think, especially early on in the game like this too, I feel like. But I think that these types of games, especially the Super Bowl, you're emptying the clip. Oh, yeah. So whatever you've had in all year long, that play could have been installed week three. Yeah.

You know, just, you know, like the double pass was installed week one. We had it called week three. We never ran it the way until we went to Baltimore. We needed it. When you go to these types of games, they're unloading the club. clip. There's anything you have in the playbook that you haven't used that may be a new wrinkle that they've never seen,

you're probably going to use. So it's almost telling that you can throw those kind of plays in a Super Bowl that you didn't need it all year, that you were never in such a situation when you had to call those. Okay, cool. That's interesting. No, I like that. And I mean, I think Jules would have made the throw. Dole's actually got a good arm. He's got a good.

Dol is fucking good. Of course you thought he went through. It looked good. But then that leads us to our next big moment of the half, which is the Philly special. The situation, Philly's up 15 to 12 at this point. A James White TD has cut it to a three-point game. 38 seconds left in the half, fourth and goal from the one. Philly lines up, calls a timeout after getting out there, seeing what the look looks like.

And then you get Corey Clement direct snap. Burton, Burton to Foles, 2212 going into the half. Thoughts on the Philly special. it's just it's one of those plays that I've never been able to get away from man like going back home and the amount of fucking hoagie shops that have a hoagie called the Phillies special oh my god oh my god always reminded of it man like you know we got t-shirts with the whole play on the back and with all this like it's just one of those fucking things man it's like the thorn that you can never get out of your side and uh I mean hey tip the cap to like them having the balls in that moment to do it and you know now you see that foals kind of like called it himself and like that's you know you have to pay your respects but fucking hey man like if not for that like what what could have happened did that play going into half steal momentum you think that may have i think so i think so i mean we all know that like it's a game of two halves right um you know

it's really like playing two games and so that momentum while it was created in that moment i don't know how we came like if it affected us what coming back and then the second half i mean obviously we we strike first and we we score a touchdown right out of right out of the uh the second half kickoff so but it was tough man that like that second quarter kind of did us in man and like they're just the circumstantial nature of the game of football like how how does that it's just it's not a it's not a good feeling going into half with that did uh what was the what was the half time speech i don't remember i don't think it's pretty standard we were so standard like all right five minutes to yourselves coaches go do their thing yeah three minutes six minutes or

whatever five more minutes together OD and then you come in as a team you get like one minute and then you're back yeah but it's a little longer in half time yeah not no go ahead sorry james i was just going to say the there was there was definitely like a difference in this game i felt like of uh like obviously the excitement of this playing in the super bowl is like pretty fucking intense like i remember the the first one i played him in c against seattle like when you go out the warm-ups you can just feel that like electricity in you but you got to like tamper it because if you know it's not a sprint but at this time at this time in like my experience in this game was like this was the third one i played in so like that kind of

started the wane and it was almost like oh it's it's expected for us to be here but these guys i felt like they were fucking capitalizing on that energy like i'll never forget first quarter our first drive that ended in a field goal um we got we got going like pretty good and we were in three wide and it was me and james white on the field and we go like hurry up after like a I think they had like a nine-yard catch. I forget who caught it, but nine-yard, and we got into the red zone. It's second and one,

and we go like, no huddle, we'll go glass, right? So it was in a way block. Nigel Bradham, who I had blocked in Buffalo for years, like good quality player, but I was like, I can make this block, right? That motherfucker off the snap was like, it was like he was moving at a different speed. And he, my job on that place is to either like cut him off,

seal him to the backside or push him past. well he like beat me across my face and tackle James right behind me for no gain and it was second and one then with third and one and we didn't convert we ended up kicking the field goal and I think about that play so often because it's like had I made that block had we got that first down do we score go up seven three and how does that change the dynamic of that and then and then you want a fucking butterfly effect it and it's like do we win this game does Does, fucking, Jason Kelsey, does the Philly Special never happen? Do I don't have to go home and buck and order sandwiches with turkey and prosciutto on it that's called the Philly Special at my favorite hoagie shop, Ernest Sons, down in Brigantine? Or like, or like, does Kelsey not do the mummer's speech? Does Taylor Swift and Travis Kelsey never get together?

If I make this box, like there's a whole different universe? No, and isn't that the, mind low, bro? Isn't that the worst thing about being an athlete, like mentality, mentality-wise as being an athlete? I think of the plays I didn't make more than I think of the plays I made. Oh, absolutely. Because, yeah, that's the shit that, like, just sticks with you for something. Are we greedy?

I mean, I don't know, but we're definitely, it's the mentality that you need to have to become a three-time Super Bowl champion, right? If you're falling in love with the outcome, you'll never get there, you know? That's right. Yeah, that's right. You got to love the process, man. And we love the process of, like, trying to continue. get better and this game was such a low point in my career like because I was so lucky I

came in when I started playing we got to the Super Bowl we want it miraculously on Malcolm's catch or interception I mean and then we go back we like pull the fucking 28 to 3 out of our ass and then it's just like I I never knew like what the the feeling was to lose one of these and then to finally have it happen to my hometown team. team going home in the off season and just witness it, like, couldn't get away from the parade. I went home on that Tuesday and the parade's on Thursday. And now all of a sudden, like, I can't get away from it. I can't fucking shake it.

Every block corner had like a different, you know, merch, Super Bowl 52 chant merch. And I just couldn't get away from. I still can't. Now that they want L.I.X, like the 52 is like a little bit deafened. So that's nice. But, uh, yeah. There was also all that, like, news stories afterwards about, like, oh, we can win Super Bowls and be fun and have a good time.

And it was, like, so, like, pointed at you guys. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I came in, because I remember that? Well, I want to ask. I wrote on the board. I mean, he is fun.

Yeah. He stayed there for like two years. Yeah. Because there's all the bitching about, oh, you said, you got Chris Long over. Oh, yeah, so much fun. Yeah. It's so much fun, Chris. But you can't sustain.

You can't sustain that, dude. Catch two in that. End zone. That was out of it. They had two touchdowns in this game that were fucking bullshit. Let's get into that. Yes. What are you doing what you thought?

I've always saw Corey Clement, the back of the end zone. The one in the third quarter? That ball dislodges a little bit. And Gene Serger's like, oh, it's on the form, but it moves to the wrist. Didn't disloge. Just move. It's moving. It's being bobbled.

And his foot's out of balance. And then the Ertz play. Same thing. We beat Pittsburgh like a year later on the same exact shit. Yes. But, you know, like Jesse James, right? Like put the ball in. But it bounces up and it's like

I mean I guess it's like Recaught it right so it's a different His momentum and then to be fair For our non-patriots fans like you can make That talk about butterfly effect you could make the same Play our conversation about the Jacksonville AFC championship maybe there's some stuff Here and you get some you lose some so

Like maybe even just the snow bowl game Yes right you know If Tom doesn't get the tough Is this all butterfly happen? Are we even here We're not even here we're not even here We're not a little hoagie shot in fucking Philly. I'm over at my dad's

mechanic shop fucking washing windows. If you can away with three in one game like what are we doing Philly special illegal formation yeah throw the flag I'm going

I'm going to cook here comment what a legacy game legacy game this guy comes out of nowhere out of bounds also Ertz not a football move in complete pass

three in one game come on man and I don't want to be sour grapes Oh I'm sorry I know but I like you know because I got to go back to Philly. Oh, yeah, yeah, right, you're like, I know all my family

and I see this and they're like, what the fuck? Are you talking so much shit? But it's, uh, I mean, you got to tip the cap. Like they, the underdog mentality, they just had a different, a different fucking speed. I felt like we were, it was kind of becoming old hat for us. And like, just the amount of intensity that they had and they were playing, like, they're just being aggressive. And then, like, in the end of the game, man, like to seal it defensively with

Graham coming off off the edge and like getting Tom forcing that fumble man they just they had that like that like underdog mentality where they're just going to leave it all in the field and we kind of were like

we were there a bunch of times and it was becoming like a little bit less intense for us so when did you know it was going to be a shootout I didn't know it I just I kept thinking watching the Eagles go through to the Super Bowl like this Nick Foles magic has to eventually wear off right like he's not he wasn't

a starting quarterback at that time and it was just like like you see you see backups like they'll have their runs and then all of a sudden it's like oh you get reminded why he's not a starter but Folls man like he just took advantage of every opportunity and even in this game like you kind of were always expecting like Tom will tom will get the upper hand and but we come combine like foals and just his consistency in that run for with the intensity of the defense it was it was a respectful game so you think that like usually the conversation with soup bowls is like teams who have been there before like you know the lights aren't as bright and they it's a it's a you know a value to have experience it but you think you guys were what three soup bowls and

four years yeah and they were had that juice that actually affected the outcome of the game i mean i it seemed it man like it just felt like their defense was fucking like on another level man like it it was uh it was it was something i mean like cooks getting knocked out like i remember uh malcolm was covering me on that play it was hawsey juke i ran the hitch on the outside and malcolm came off to hit the juke and it just uh man like that that knocks the win that of your mulligan play uh the block is it is the block okay that's the mold game i mean there was nothing I could do on cooks getting knocked out. Like, I followed Jenkins to the play, but at that point, he was already down.

Yeah, and like you said, I mean, that defense was made the big play at the biggest moment when couldn't really get pressure on Brady all day. And then on that last drive, the strip sack, which sets up the field goal, which pushes it to 41, 33, and then we come back and have a chance at the end with that Hail Mary to Robbie G at the end that was close. That was close. That gets lost in the sauce in this game. It does.

It does. It does. He almost had two Hail Marys and Super Bowl. Yes. If he didn't have the giant, if he didn't have his sprained ankle in that Giants one, Butterfly, fuck. Yeah. He would have caught that.

I am a thousand percent sure Rob would have caught that. And we got to give our flowers to Robbie G for the second half you put on here. What did it was in the first half? Second half, two touchdowns. 106, into the game with nine catches, 116 yards, two tuddies. First half, one catch for nine yards. So, I mean, Rob,

Dola had $152. Dola, man, holy smokes. He's putting up Jerry Rice numbers. And Tom had 500 yards. Yeah, 500 and 5.5 yards. I mean, just incredible over 1,100 total yards offense in this game. Speaking of crazy offensive performances, no one can stop it even on defense. It's worth noting Malcolm Butler did not play in this game.

Not going into any sort of conspiracy theories, but... We don't have to get into it, but it needs to be said with this game. He didn't play? Yeah. They did not play. And I, were we, I wasn't there, so I don't, I just, I don't hang out with God in the booth. I mean, I, I remember the, the realization that he wasn't on the field, like, and asking around,

like, hey, why is Malcolm not playing? No one, no one knew. And then we had the Super Bowl 49 reunion was the last year. And he was in house, and I had, like, a moment with him or it was just me and him. I was like, now, just tell me. Like, I won't say anything. But, like, tell me why you didn't play. And he's like, dude, I don't know.

Like, I wish I could tell you, but I don't know. And, yeah, I mean, no one fucking knows, man. Or is he just deny until he dies. Maybe. We'll have to buy the book. Yeah, have to buy the book. See the movie. See the movie.

Man, I just got to say. Put a ball on this. Final score. Final score, 41, 33. The Eagles win their first Super Bowl. Yeah. It was their first. First title since the 1960 NFL trip.

I was good for that one, man. Three in a row. How much did this game lead into the next season? I think a lot. Yeah. Personally, I took this one, I took this one like and wore it for a while and let it like stew and fucking motivate me. And I came back and I think I was playing some of the best football that next year. And then we went back and won it, man.

And then like the Eagles kind of, they weren't able to like pick themselves up after this after this one. And so I kind of hang my hat on that when I go back around and people start talking about the Super Bowl 52 and like, like, yeah, well, what happened the next year, you know? But that's all I got because they got us in this one. So you got to pay your respect where respect is due. And this is their first Super Bowl win. Yeah.

That's pretty big. Yeah. It is. The last one was 1960, the NFL championship game. They took down another legendary quarterback, head coach duo, Bart Starr, and Vince Lombardy. 17, 1713. No, that was not. NFL championship.

The NFL championship for Super Bowl. Yes, correct. Yeah. All right, wrap the aftermath. And this was 4133, as we mentioned, the aftermath, offensive performance like we've never seen before. Philly wins our first Super Bowl in franchise history. Nick Foles goes from back up to Super Bowl MVP insane. You got a statue.

He has got a statue. Man, unbelievable. 1,151 yards of offense. Most in any NFL game ever. Tom Ender doing one. Not just a Super Bowl ever. Seven. Six.

Seven. Six and one team. And then the Patriots set the record for most yards in a Super Bowl. 613. Most points scored by a losing team, 33. We talked about Dolan in this amazing game. He had this Super Bowl, awesome AFC championship game. He would leave to go to Miami in the off season.

get that check Dola And then the Patriots would come back next year Wipe that sour taste out of their mouth And beat the Rams 13 to 3 And Super Bowl 53 Flash forward to 2024 Philly would get their second Super Bowl Beating the Chiefs 40 to 22

And cleaning house too New coach, new quarterback I mean that's the more impressive thing Yeah and that's They're an organization now Yeah that's been a little bit of solace Yeah Going back there now and like living in Philly

Yeah is that like there's no more signs of that team anymore because I got super salty and I was like fuck these guys I don't like any of them and now they got a whole new team and it's like now I can root for you guys like thank you it's Juan Barclay sick Penn State like yeah yeah yeah and they got like they got guys that are it's fun to root for them now you know and like my boys they they're fucking wearing Jalen Hertz and Syquan Barkley AJ Brown jerseys and shit and like hey you know have fun have fun because this is a good like if you're going to be a football guy growing up like you want to

have fandom where it's like your team's out there winning games so you know what if it was the path so be it if it's the eagle so be it like it's football man i still like to see it's like i'm a nineers fan i like two niners do well absolutely great time losing i'm gonna fucking bowl yeah it's funny i don't think i'd be the same way though like yeah once you get here your fandom you kind of lose that yeah but then once you retire You kind of gravitate because you're in the group text with all your fucking friends back home. So then you're like, all right, but I'm not going to sit here and go buy a fucking jersey. I'll wear a hat.

Yeah. I'll wear a Niners hat. But you can't wear another man's jersey. Can't? Yeah. Not once you're there. No. Let's grade this game.

Let's put it on. Can I get one last one in for games? I'd be remiss. A man that knows how to fucking block his ass off. What's your thoughts on the tush push? Oh, man. That's a hot button topic. I know.

I had to get it in. I mean, I just think right now the Eagles are so fucking good at rotting in it. And there's a lot of like sour grapes. Talk about sour grapes. Just people that can't stop it. Like the rules, yes, it's a tough, it's a tough play to officiate. But like, I mean, you got the chance to officiate it. Like, I mean, fucking then do it.

Yeah. Call the false starts. Call the, call the, you got to do businesses, businesses being done. And so like, you either stop it while it's still illegal. play or you don't and you get beat on it but like let's fucking move it down the road like let's stop talking about it

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Let's name the game. It's called the Phillies Special, Philly's First. defense defense optional somebody get a stop or something else what do you think of it as oh man I mean feel like the Philly special obviously that's the moniker that you always hear about that one particular play but like I think like the city the city of Philadelphia is the city of brotherly love right yeah and like at that point it was like it was like a little brother beaten like the big brother where it's like he's still kind of got to tip your cap tone, but like

it fucking, it hurts you. It's the thorn in your side. Like, you don't want your little brother beating you. You know, so like something along those lines or it's like, I don't know, like, Little brother beats the little brother? I mean, not to like veto or step in. It's got to be the Philly Special.

Like, that's what it's like called. Like, yeah. If you say the Philly Special to anyone in NFL. You're right. You're right. The Philly Special. I was trying to get cute with it. Jules loves a pun.

Jules loves a pun. I love a pun. Yeah. But score the game is. this the greatest game of all time let's score it's decimals encourage jimmy okay stakes zero to 10 i mean it's the super bowl it's the the big one right so stakes let's go let's go 9.0 i think it's like a nine three game nine four nine five because you got back to backs on the line also first super first for the other yeah i went nine one i went nine two star power i mean

between like our two teams obviously like when's going down but they had a lot of they had a lot of star power um especially now like as guys transitioned into like their post playing career i mean obviously you weren't there but we still had um let's go let's go eight six that's a great score i mean that's a great score i mean and look at what he's done now Nick Folk is that like a you got some you got some Hall of Fame lineman yeah you got Kelsey's probably going to go in there yeah they had I mean I'm sure like Philly celebrities were probably loaded like crazy to 8.2 8.2 8.2 a point two solid that's a little wow I think over the 9-0 at 8.4 I wasn't in it I heard guy fiat he was in it jose wasn't in

game this I mean this is a fucking great game to watch yeah I remember at the post-game party saying, like, hey, I know we lost this, but this was a good game for the game of football. Like, what a fucking entertaining game to watch, right? So I'm going to give that like a 9-4, 9-5, actually. 9-5. It doesn't get much better, man. I'll give it a 9 flat.

I mean, no defense. Nine. I will say the strip sack happened a little too early in the, you know, like, that was like on the 20-yard line. Yeah. Yeah. I won the seven nine I went eight point nine sour grapes some of the controversial calls I think takes away a little bit the name of the game cultural revelance I mean this is for everyone revelance reverence no I can't say relevant relevance yeah relevance yeah relevance not a brown guy yeah we're yeah didn't you almost go there no I dated a girl from Ken State yeah you met around met around spring break I spent some some time out in like northeast Ohio beautiful huh yeah yeah Welcome. Yeah. Yeah, man.

Welcome. Get you a rock knees. Go to Rockneys. Now, we went up to, uh, what's that, what's that amusement park up on the lake? Cedar Point. Cedar Point. Yeah. Yeah.

And then the Putton Bay. I particularly remember that where they don't have cars or some shit. You got to like drive golf carts everywhere. Yeah. We went up to put in bay like either before or after Cedar Point. Cedar Bay or Cedar Point was awesome. Yeah. Name of the game.

It's really special. It's got a statue for it. Yeah. It's got a statue. I mean, it's a statue. I mean, it's a. as much as it pains me I'm gonna give

it a 8-5 Ooh I mean it's more like an 8-9 People know this people And I know it's only fucking Nine years ago Eight years ago These people know this game

They know it Yeah I think he a little I don't think you're a soul at a touch Like James said this was a field day for every Every hockey shop over in America We're just out of my eyes This was an 8 by a 9.0 I had a 9.3

So total, it is an 8.86. That is our new 12th game, 12th overall. Let's see. Just behind. Where is it? Oh, sorry. Just behind Choke-at-the-Doke and just ahead of Super Bowl 18 Raiders versus Redskins. Our new 12th game.

Tom Brady 12th. And it's a loss. 5005 yards. And also if you're like, Choke of the Doak is tied with the 2004 ALCS game for Yankees, Red Sox. This is our highest Patriots loss, I believe. Yeah. Wow. I mean, it should be because.

Yeah. Honestly, it probably should be a touch higher, too. It could be even higher. I hate this game. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, for the relevance of football, this is a fuck. Because Philadelphia is a cornerstone team.

They're like one of the original teams. Yeah. They've been there since the 40s or something, right? Yeah, I don't know exactly. Yeah. Before 60. Yeah. Before the Patriots.

Greast the polls. Jimmy, we miss anything from this game? now man i think we got it i think it's it's time to go to put it to bed now that l i x is around like they can cheer about that man it's uh um you know but i don't think we missed anything you have one last question sure what does football mean to you oh man football's football's giving me a lot in my life man i am very very thankful um and just appreciative for the game it's putting me in the room with a lot of special individuals

yourself included I just kind of like being able to sponge up and learn not only how to be a better football player but how to be a better man how to take accountability for things you know and just the accountability that it requires

man like when you're fucking sore and tired and you still got to fucking put the pads on and go back out there for a two a day like when we first started man like that that was like the that was the era of football that that I just will always cherish and the fact that we got to experience that feel like it's just we were the last of like that old guard

where we you know like the for my first year in the UFO we were doing two days down in Orlando and I remember sweating through fucking everything I had twice a day and it's like man like how much do I love the game of football well I'm willing to do it for damn near free at that point because I wasn't getting paid for training camp and I'm out there like just slamming my face into people trying to make a name for myself like who knows where this is going to go and then thankfully football lined shit up where I was in the right spot at the right time and circumstantial nature at a game of football and like the patriots were looking for a fullback they Josh previously had one in his in his offenses and I was available at the right time man and so like God fuck I love the game of football man like I I I I really one of my thoughts when I first retired was I wanted to write a book and just

call it like thank you football oh salius and just sick I'd collect the stories like I mean this guy in the game of football myself there's there's thousands of other stories just like us where it's like that underdog you know like the rocky story I grew up in philly I fucking rock rocky's my favorite I named my daughter Adrian right and it's like and I just like that underdog that's what football's all about And I feel like Philly had it in that game, which was unfortunate. Like kind of stole that from us. But then we went back the next year.

We were like the underdogs again, you know? And we were the old team. We were the team that still didn't have it. Tom's too old. Jules was fucking coming off of injury and all that. Like it was, but we, that, that, we did it. That humanization of the game of football that I think oftentimes gets missed. That is like the beautiful thing about it, man.

And I think we got to like, we got to, we got to feel that like that you said like that uh i think he's a receiver quarterback in in chicago that just got emotional when he's talking about how he got he got his contract and he was like about his dad or something like that type of like love i mean i fucking like loved you guys my teammates i tell i told before every game i told the whole offense and damn near you're doing much the entire team that i loved them like from face to man to man just to say like yo I love you and then we go out and do

our thing man because like that's what it requires is love for the game love of your teammates so I love the game of football man it's a real football guy move to pick this game too like that is you're so emotionally charged then you pick it's a loss but you know

it's a character move to pick this game so mad process I got one question for my fullback in high school John the cast who grew up loved you what goes into your like full back accoutrement selection like the bull ring the cowboy call like what's what's the thought process behind selecting that simple i kept bending the top of my face mask on contact and i have a collection of bent face masks i still kept them um mikey redmond in the equipment room used to always

save it for me and put in my locker afterwards so the bull ring just kind of helped stabilize that part um even though i would continue to bend them in every once in a while and then the cowboy collar slash brace that I wore like people have like different perspectives on what to wear I had like a stinger issue when I was in the UFL actually and we had this

this tight end that had played with the Jets and he got this brace made when he got stingers against the Jets made it and he gave it to me and he was like here you have to screw it into the top of your pads and it's just like this little like

3D printed looking thing and it just had like enough of a ridge where I could like lock my helmet on it so then like when i'm in my stance i could like fucking put my base of my helmet on that thing and then i i couldn't go past that like on contact so i would literally like run kind of like like my head and my shoulder pads were like connected and then fused yeah i can i continued to have stinger problems then i got the cowboy collar then that last year when i was dealing with the next stuff like i've told you before like i felt i felt

I knew I was, like, slightly broken. And so I was just trying to hide it as best. I was stuffing, like, towels in there. Like, just trying to make it so my head, like, would not move back. So I couldn't, like, turn to catch a pass, but I could still block it me once in a while. But, yeah, I mean, it just, it was, like, out of necessity. Like, I just continued to add more and more shit back there. So I didn't have to do that anymore.

And now everyone knows, this is just a little sneak peek. why we were so good. Not everyone, everyone knows James Devlin in New England, but like it's pieces and it's people like him. Everyone was a leader

in their own special way. Jimmy was a energy igniter. He was also a guy that didn't say much, but when he talked, everyone listened. Like, that's why we were who we were playing in

our second Super Bowl in a row that we lost and going back and winning another one, winning one three years before that. All the success is because of guys like Jimmy. You know, and that's something, he was one of the best teammates I've ever had. He always, he could always read you. And, like, he'd always pump me up if I, if I was, like, down or out, you know what I mean? You could read my energy real well, man.

A shared experience, man. I think that's just the human nature of this game, dude. We're all guys going through life together, like in the same phase of life. young men like i i i recently heard this thing about like how it's hard to make friends as an adult right like our whole childhood you're with like people that are your age kind of going through the same things in life right and then when you're an adult like you lose that because then you're working you're in like this corporate structure on a game of football we're all the same age we're all going through life at the same time we're all going through the same experience and on the field

in our job and so it just it's a special fucking community that it builds right and then like we get to see you got to see me start a family like i got to see you have have lily and then like we then bond even deeper on those kinds of things and like well she's what like eight now then i got an eight year old at home like he's i'm grooming him man he's a handsome old dude we'll put him together you know um he just had a nice old catch in his game on on sunday shout out shout out he was pumped the first time i ever seen saw him line up outside go yeah they got will out lined up out on the edge he runs a go quarterback dimes either nine years old and like dimes it to him he catches it over his shoulder

runs and then hits like a first down like cam newton i'm like oh my god the swag this he's like he's he's kind of got that dany coolness yeah you know he doesn't even he can't teach that he's like a gold chain right now you can't teach cool i'm not i'm not like a gold chain guy but he wears a gold chain i put like a little i cut his hair so i put like a little light lightning bolting the side and shit. I'm calling bolt next time I said. But then Jimmy's like, Jimmy's like a little man.

I mean, I could go on and on about my kids. I don't want to waste our time here. Well, thank you so much, bro. Thanks for having me. For coming. Everyone go check out Soulberry in Ocean City and... Brighing to New Jersey.

Down to Jersey Shore, man. The Jersey freaking short. Jim, tan, laundry, fucking smooth. Oh, yeah. Hey, GtLS. That's right. They'll get you one. Thanks, Jimmy, for coming off.

Hey, thanks for having, man. Love you too, brother. Man, that was an awesome episode with James Devlin. We're sitting here. We're arguing how, like, one of the dumbest smart guys I've ever met. Seriously. We're not going to say that. No, because Jimmy, he's so intelligent.

He's like the smartest guy. But he's dumb enough to try to put towels in his neck when, like, doctors basically saying, hey, dude, if you do this, you're not going to be able to walk. And he's, like, trying to maneuver away. to be able to go still knock his head into someone else. Like, that's what a fullback is. That's a fullback.

Every time when we have new fullbacks, when he retired, I had to keep I say, hey, man, I say if you ain't knocking yourself out every goddamn play and you don't got little mechanisms to make your neck not snap back, this ain't your job.

This isn't for you. Getting something 3D printed to prevent like long term, like neck and head injury is the perfect example of dumb smart right you're smart enough to get something 3D printed that you can lock in but like to bash your head against them no he's the he's the best human being man he's awesome he really was an unbelievable teammate just a fucking he's a foxhole guy he's you know anytime anything any situation old jimmy was there ready honestly bro loves football knows football what a guy and he's just he's a movie character he loves his family

he loves his wife, he loves it. I just love him. He's great people energy. Like, at what point do you, are you born a fullback? Do you become, like, he just oozes fullback. To me, it's kind of like those people

that like, you start looking like your dog after you buy the dog. You know what I mean? Like, which one is it, a chicken or the egg thing? It's incredible. I don't know, man. That's a fullback right there, but it took him a long time to get there.

Yeah. I mean, Lorenzo O'Neill looks like a fullback. He kind of had, did James wrestle? Is he a wrestler? We didn't even have. I don't think that was in a terrible journalist. What a terrible journalist I am.

A terrible journalist. I don't think so. I think if he tried, he boxed. He boxes. The guy, like, he just loves Philly. He loves brothers. You see that? Like, he looked at me when he said that.

I almost started crying. Oh, yeah, bro. He's on some four brothers Mark Wahlberg type meet. He's on some four brothers, Mark Wahlberg type shit. He loves his brothers. I think he loved that movie because we were in the league with. He loved that movie. He loved Alzheimer, dude.

Dude, I want to talk some more Florida Tusters, man. V&D and Wiggy down there. That's crazy. UFL days. Man, what a journey, what a story. Wow. Playing for free in Orlando? Soulberry, everyone go check it out.

They're making money. But he said in the preseason, they weren't getting paid. He was out there just clanging and banging for the level. Playing and banging. But hey, we need to chill out, guys. Before we do that, I just want to say, just because for our non-Patriots fans,

this is a, while the Patriots played in this game, Super Bowl 52, not the winners, right? So we didn't fully give this game the full games for the name experience it deserves. So let's think this would have to be an opportunity to get Nick Falls in the show. So just, you know, let's get Nick Falls to tell his side for this game.

I suspect it'll go higher up in our rankings. 12 is too low. But, yeah, well, we're not surprised. We'll be doing more episodes with more people and just different perspective. So we have to get the Eagles perspective. I know. We need, we need the Eagles perspective.

Maybe Jason Kelsey. Yo, Doug Peterson. Well, he might go to the second soupy. or did he's got a lot to choose from he was already first one he had one before no no he wasn't Jason Kelsey was here and then yeah but then they lost oh he he missed this last he lost in the kelsey ball yeah I wonder if you'd do that one anyways though who so we do need to get the eagle's perspective on this so we should also I will say put a bow on this use our publishing arm of nut house to help him publish thank you football thank you for that sounds like our kind of book

we got it not house publishing an imprint of Simon and Schuster we got a Thank you for ball. Sick coffee table book. Imagine you walk into someone's crib and that's on their coffee table. Ball noir. Immediate ball noor. Oh, yeah.

Man, insertion point. He got real excited about the insertion point. I'm all about some insertion point. Oh, man. It's time for the chill zone. Brought to you by Coors Light. Get Coorslight delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com

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Let's hear from the people. We haven't answered any of these in a while. The answering machine was filling up. Cool, Jackie, Tyler, Eric from Detroit. I got a question for God. Who's pushing more weight? Dan Campbell, MCDC, or brief? ooh

MCDC or Vraves pushing more weight ooh see I don't know Dan Campbell no like you know he looks

the part he was a tight end you know he played in the league I know Vrabel I know the lore of Vrable

I've seen Vrable and I know the medical staff that treated Vrable like he was supposed to he's like like iron he's supposed to be like a wolverine this guy he had like unreal wind he never got

tired that's what always the the the foot the lore of rabel in the locker room you know he had long ass arms he's set an edge and and so if you think about it defensive ends or like outside linebackers when they have a tight end on them they think it's a mismatch they they usually toss those guys around There's only a select few of guys that are untossable was Dan Campbell one of those guys. I don't know. I didn't know. But I'm just telling you, Braves made a lot of plays and set a lot of edges, so. I have the answer.

The answer is. I got Rabs. Campbell, Bench, Braves deadlift. Low man wins. Legs win. Let's go. Next question. You can take your own inference from there.

and I'm wondering if there's any tips you can give me and how to make varsity on the Sam Linebacker, wide receiver, thank you. Sam Linebacker, wide receiver? Sick combo. That's a combo. How do you make varsity? Don't make any mistakes when you get your opportunities,

make plays when you have your opportunities, but don't go out of your life to try to make a play. Make a play when it's there to be made. So you have to, even though, you're just doing your job on your assignment or scheme in a certain play always do that and then

sometimes a big play will come out of that but always doing what your assignment scheme this that is you know and if you're going to make a gambler guest or you're going to make sure that fucking shit's right because they can't tell you

nothing if you do it right if you make the play doing it wrong but just don't make mistakes, ma'am. Don't make the same mistake twice. Know your shit. You don't make varsity. Heck yeah.

We're rooting for you. We're rooting for you, Luke. Hey, and you got to win all. If you're going to be young dog, you've got to be the rabbit. In the conditioning. Varsity down there in Friscoe is no joke, man. And the conditioning, you've got to be the rabbit, meaning you got to be leading the way.

You got to earn the respect to the varsity. Let's go, Luke. Show them how it's done, baby. You go to class. Keep those grades up. before we go to the next one you've got some stuff in the bottom of your shoe oh that's tar

can you keep your foot down it looks like that's tar from the beaches of California I was walking my dog these are my feet hurt right now and these are comfy maybe just like angle it in such a way so you can't see it but you see I just want to show we can just say it's tar there it is it's tar

it's tar it's tar we'll keep it you know the secret to get tar when you step on in the beach sunscreen sunscreen yeah wow Yeah. Isn't that so stupid that we have to talk about

those tricks of walking on these beautiful beaches of getting the tar off your fucking feet? Yeah. How do we have tar on our goddamn beaches in California? I mean, do you want the answer? I don't want the answer. Especially not from you. Next question.

What's up, guys? Cody, positive point, Texas. You got some Texas boys, okay, represent. I want you guys to cover the Cowboy versus Patriots. It's 2015 at AT&T Stadium. That was my first time watching the Cowboys play. Born 88, clipped out newspaper articles and posted them to my court board growing up.

Jules, I think you had 120 yards receding, four receptions, and one honey. I just, I appreciate having a chance to watch Dynasty 2.0 in person. If y'all could cover it, man, that'd be sweet. you know what speaking of Texas we you know Dola we had Hall of Fame weekend oh yeah

and Dola's got some of his friends that are we are all mutual friends Texas people and one of his friends is wearing a cowboy hat and one of his wife

is wearing a cowboy hat and she's a professional rider and like my daughter loves horses and so we're flying back after the weekend over and she like looks over and she goes dad why are everyone at texas so cool i was like what why

she's like you see how cool they were they have cowboy hat and it's true the texas people are fucking cool i don't know what it is she lily's right as usual you know what on this game to cover this game i mean we could cover this game that was a fun game just because it was for a kid who grew up rooting against the cowboys being a 49er fan but still always understanding the grandness of the cowboys. Cowboys are a cornerstone franchise in this league. And I wanted to play my best game against them in Jerry World, in the big stadium.

It was still fairly pretty new when that thing came or when we played there. So, like, that was such a fun experience just because of that. I got a question for you about this game that you probably have no idea on. This is one of the prettiest visuals games Like some of the best pictures The lighting The sunset coming through and just like the lighting Like Tom walking looks like a superhero

It's incredible Yeah it's pretty Did you see that Like that the lighting was weird When you were playing in that game Like shadows or like You know what I don't remember Necessarily that

I remember them coach bringing that up And I don't think it was that bad But the one thing you did have to practice was the punts because the jumbo tron is low and so it can bounce off that so we were trying to judge the punts

in their pregame just to get a look at that but I mean that thing's a spectacle that stadium I mean you walk through you're walking through a bar to get into your locker room there's like people going crazy you're freaking like dancers like hovering everywhere and

stuff. It was, I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, a classic Tom Brady versus Brandon Weedin matchup. I do remember, I do remember one thing. I was around we didn't, uh, who is it, uh, Romo wasn't playing that game. He was banged up or something, right? Mm-hmm. I remember him saying something like, we'll see you guys, we'll see you guys. We'll see you guys again. Yeah, right, Romo. I walked away. I'm going to play, yeah, right, dude.

I don't know if that's real. I don't know if I just made that up, but there could have been something. I was like, yeah, right, bro. Oh, let's do one more. It was a spectacle. Let's do one more. This is from our Canadian attache.

Hey, guys, I'm calling from Canada. I wish I was calling. with some better news, but I don't know how much filters down south, but there's some new real changes in the CFL that are completely turning this little country upside down. I just want to get your reaction to the eradication of our great game up here. To summarize, we're losing the length of the field. We always used to be 110 yards. We're now going to be 100 yards.

We're also taking away most of the rude implementations. which is one of the most unique things about the Canadian game. There's still, still one, still remaining, but most of the fun roof stuff is gone. They're also reducing the size of the end zone. So anyway, there's a great black veil over the Canadian North right now. And we need your voice to weigh in at these prime times. Thank you so much.

So they're cutting the field, making it regular? So Jack has more information, They're moving the goal post, the goalpost from being on the goal line to back of the end zone now at the NFL. And because they're doing that, they're making the 20-yard end zone now 15 yards. What else there's a, both the teams are going to be on opposite sidelines now. They used to be on the same sideline. They're also. They're Americanizing.

The Rouge is like the little like weird one points for like a misfield goal. If you kick it out of the end zone, you get a point. A lot of that stuff is going away. Yeah, so a ruse, a misfield goal that sails through the end zone. or a punt or kickoff that goes through the end zone. No more, you can't have a walk off on those anymore. But Kyler mentioned the big one, the shortening of the field. Used to be 110, now down to 100.

Do they still got motions will now be 15 yards? Motions are still going. Yeah, there's no word on that. Yeah, the width. If you still got motion going forward, you still got your little niche. So some of the controversy, because me and Jack, we're looking it up, some of the controversy is none of the players or coaches were consulted in with this it was one of those players or coaches want to be there all those players

and coaches want to be in a league hey we're trying to get this i don't know if that's true we want a great cup i don't know if that's entirely true actually doug did one dug dug cut that we should call dug up we're a pro cfell podcast we are i think the canadian people are a little bit taken aback because what makes the k f the cf is not the nfl right it's just not a somewhat different product and they're not really even trying to be are they maybe changing due to flag football. It's for more touchdowns and more entertainment value. I'm all about that.

And for better sightlines, right? So removing the goalpost from in play to outback now makes the, like, the middle of the field in the end zone, they don't really throw in the middle of the field in the end zone. They would only throw in the sides. So it's going to increase scoring big time. And it's probably going to decrease injuries. So this guy's probably running into that all the time, no? Yeah, we saw that in some of these clips we were watching.

But just like, you're stripping away so much of the Canadian uniqueness. that is the CFL. It's his own game. I mean, it's still got a little more depth. Right. I mean, I think they haven't fully neutered it, but like, I don't know. Like, Tyler made a good point. They're like, what's the end game here?

You want to be more like... What are you trying to be? Right. You're trying to compute the NFL because you're not. And then you've got to think about the trickle-down effect, these young Canadian boys and girls growing up learning this game on fields all across Canada. You've got to redo all these fields. You can configure everything.

Do they have Canadian football fields in Canada? They do. They do. It's going to cost. And they don't even have, do they have Canadian football high school? Yeah, I think they have college. It's 800,000 to a million to change like each field they're saying. It's going to be crazy.

It's going to be insane, bro. And there's some speculation too with a lot of the NFL international talk that maybe this is a play from CFL to make their games more similar to potentially merger, maybe not fully or create sub-leagues or whatever just to be more part of the NFL ecosystem. So I don't like it. Maybe they're trying to recruit like Germany and because there's a big German population. playing football, American football. They've come down here. They've had teams in America. It worked.

We adapted. Don't forget about the streetport Pirates, bro. I play with three straight Germans. Yeah. Coon, Sebastian Vollmer. And Johnson. Jericho. And Johnson.

I guess there's two phases of CFO role changes. And there's going to be more drastic changes that come in 2020. Are they still doing the kickoff, though? They do kickoff. I don't know if it's modified like the NFL's kickoff. No, but I mean, I think the rouge part of it, if it goes out of the end zone, it's a point. That's a big thing. From everything, the sweeping changes that I've read about.

I mean, I see some people singing old Stuart Johnson. It's like commission up there. Half of me is liking it. I don't like it. I don't like it. Half of me is liking it and half of me is not liking it. It feels like it's probably going to be. I think that's my mom's half that's liking, not liking it.

The Canadian half. My dad's side's like, it's becoming more American. Yeah. It's visually like it. what we're used to. I don't know. I don't want to shit on their game. That's why I like it being unique in having

its own personality and a little bit of quirkiness and their own thing on it. Had a CFL contract. I was going to say, you just didn't sign it. You're more qualified to speak than any of us right now. Never signed it. What's the question? I don't know, I think it's just the conversation starter.

Yeah. How do we make our guy, our Canadian Ashton, attach you feel better? Well, I don't know, man. Like, I think you're going to get better, like, because maybe because guys don't throw across the middle in the red area in CFL, they're like, I don't want to go play in that league

because it's not going to prepare me for where I really want to go, and that's an NFL. Okay, we'd all be lying if we're not, if we're going to say the CFL guys don't want to play in the NFL. We would be lying to ourselves. We love the game. We love what it is. But this could be a better thing for them to get guys out,

oh, maybe we could do that now. It's becoming a little more. uniform, so to speak. I don't know. I was trying to go in a different direction. I think the silver lining for our Canadian friends here is that hockey season starts soon. Yeah, it's a hockey town. Yeah, we shouldn't, yeah.

Yeah, honestly. I like, I like guys that like their sport. Me too. I'm with you, Frasier. We stand in support with your brother. We stand in support of our Canadian football fans. We'll send you a nut house hat and a slody pippin t-shirt. We got you.

Make up for things. Yeah. That was awesome. and I do have ordered a bunch of the what is it maple nugget from Canada

yeah you're a big nugget guy big nugget guy are we hamilton tiger cat guys here I'm a Montreal I'm a Mawlet guy I'm a BC Lion guy yeah BC Lion Bc Lai or the rough riders

the rough riders which one you might ask yeah wait the rough riders so I think they changed Oak Grove used to be the rough riders back in California

one was like with a Z and one was like the Razorbacks Oak Grove Razorbacks and Oak Grove Razorbacks and Oak Grove rough riders that was such a sick

Pop Warner name that is dude it was red and black no they were red and blue and white I like like Patriotsish nah but more like um

more like more like Techno bowl like looking red with little like royal blue okay rather than like a navy yeah more red

yeah I don't know I like it, though. We should each pick a... CFL team and then bet on it. BC Lions. Okay, you're already taken. There's the Hamilton Tiger Cats. Oh, Hamilton's pretty good.

The Montreal Alouettes. I'll go Montreal Alouettes. My Hamilton girl looks like Scalachians. I'm a Hamilton guy. I'm a Hamilton guy. Calgary Stampeders, Eminton Elks, Saskatchewan Rough Riders, and then the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Whoever Drake roots for is who I root for.

Is he an Argonauts guy or is the Hamilton guy? He's got to be an Argonauts. All right, I'll be an Argonauts guy. But I mean, Hamilton is also close. Yeah. Yeah, got to look at the gear. Yeah, who has the best gear? That was a chill zone.

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