Games with Names - Mark Normand on The River City Relay | Saints vs. Jaguars

Episode Date: January 27, 2026

Mark Normand is in studio! The comedian, New Orleans native, and friend of the show is with us to share plenty of laughs and chop it up about one of the wildest finishes in NFL history: The River City Relay from from 2003 between the New Orleans Saints and the Jacksonville Jaguars.  (00:00) We kick things off. (0:35) Mark joins us on the couch. (25:25) We go back to December 2003. (49:0) We get into these teams. (50:40) We check out the game. (1:07:48) We score it. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. December 21st, 2003, Everbank Stadium, Jacksonville, Florida. Down 20 to 13 with seven seconds left. The Saints need a miracle. A lateral. Another lateral.

Another touchdown. Ae. Extra Point ties the game. This is the River City Relay. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler and we are on a search to find the greatest game of all time. And boy, do we got a treat on today's episode coming up with comedian Mark Norman.

And if you haven't already, drop a like and subscribe to Games with Names. Let's go. Games with Names is a production of IHeart Radio. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the River City Relay, Saints versus Jaguars in the week 16 in 2003. Whoa. Going back.

With one and only my Eskimo bro podcast bro. Eskimo podcast bro. Eskimo podcast bro. I was like, Eskimo podcast bro. Mark Norris. I've not come anywhere near the women you've slayed. I mean, I've got pigs and wheelchairs all day. You've got...

Do you have got... Be jacked asking my brother. Oh, God. I wish. We should all just... We should drop the podcast part and I'll just make sweet love to say him. We'd all be asking my brothers, baby. He'll do it.

He's single. That'll be my best body. Now, Mark, in one sentence, why this game? Uh, well, I mean, we were having a rough go and we needed this. We needed this. Yeah. Exactly. Is this the greatest game of all time?

I would say so, except for the Super Bowl. Except for the Super Bowl. That we won in 2009. That was a good one. That was a good one. And we needed it after Katrina. At 1,000. When was that?

That was 2008, 2005. Yeah. And look, we're a city of partying and booze, but it's a football town. Like when the Saints lose, which they often do, the city just goes right into shit. So we need these wins. They keep us alive. The real answer for this game, because you don't have to pretend you're a big sports fan. I texted Matt Peters.

And he said it would be fun for you to do this one just because of how funny this ending is and how like the Saints. It's probably one of the funniest ends to a game of all time. This is a very heart-wrenching loss. He pitched this game. It's very Saints before the Saints won a Super Bowl. Right. Right.

Yeah, we can fuck up. We can really ruin you. Now let's talk about some of your, your fandom being from New Orleans. You went to LSU for a little bit. Yeah. So was, did you like football growing up? Of course. every game at the Tiger Stadium, but

I just, I played football, you know, around with the friends, but I don't know, I was just, I failed out of college. I was such a drunk that I, I didn't get into it. I couldn't like follow it. And people were like, could you believe they traded Booner? I'm like, I don't know. Give me a beer. But, yeah, all my friends played in high school and I'd go to the games.

I was the mascot at my high school in New Orleans. I was the cavalier. I got fired after one gig because I did this, too much. It was the 90s and I was doing this one. That's the 6.7. That's all it is 6.7. No, suck it's not 6.7. It is. Sucket is cool. 6.7's not.

6.7. We got a good point there. That's also our generation though. We're going to be biased towards our version of it. But that's definitely that's all my kid. I pick up my 9-year-old daughter from school and all the boys are just 6-70. Yeah, I know. I know.

It's weird. It's outrageous. Or my daughter when we drive by a 76 gas station. She goes, I can't stop seeing six and seven. Oh, God. What the fuck is going on? It's like a plague. It's taken over there. It's a mind virus.

So you were the mascot for one game? I was the mascot. I got higher. It was like six of us. We all tried out and I won. I had to wear a giant cavalier outfit, like a big pirate with a sword and everything, a big hat. And I got drunk before, as you do. You know, you're 16 or whatever.

Got hammered. Put the hat on. I'm sweating my balls off. And I just go out there. And I went ham. I was kicking and screaming and doing car. And then I started doing that and they pulled me off with a big hook and they fired me. They fired you on spot. What's the tryout for the mascots like? It was in the gym and it was me and

six other goofballs and you just got to be funny and on because you don't have a lot to work with. You know, your head's right here and then you got a giant head above that and you got to just be funny and move cool. Animated. Yeah. And I guess I got it. And once I brought that one in, it was over. Now, so you were clearly the guy that always wanted to do fun, funny stuff. Yeah, yeah. And I had a drinking problem. And you had a drinking. So you put those together and you get comedy?

Yes, exactly. Isn't that how comedy always starts? I always talked with our buddy Sam about it. He goes, comics always come from like a deep, dark spot. There's something that happens in your life. Yeah. Was that like you got drunk too many times? Well, I was a bedwetter.

I grew up in a horrible neighborhood. I was the white kid in the black neighborhood. Hold on. And I had a weird child. We got broken. Our house got broken into a lot. I bumped into a few robbers and stuff. So I think I had like some weird trauma as a kid.

And you try to go, mom, dad, I'm scared. And they go, shut up. You know, you'll be fine. So that didn't help. And so humor was a big way for me to release. You know, it was like a relief for me. You like to release. Yeah.

Big time. Big time. Now, is it not the funniest thing in the world? Farting. Number one. No matter what the situation is, if anyone rips a fart, it is, I talk about with my friends all time, like my high school friends, or still in a group. And like, anyone that farts or anything, it's the funniest moment always.

It's great. Your butt is making a noise that stinks. There's too many moving part. George Carly, Richard Pryor bit, you're never going to beat a toot. It's number one. And if you fart like on a lady, forget about it. That's like putting a cherry on it. Now, when did you become comfortable enough to fart in front of your wife?

Oh, man, pretty quick. That's like my test. That was your test? Yeah, I don't care about an AIDS test. You've got to pass the fart test. Yeah, if you can handle a fart, she thinks it's funny because then she's like, I'm the girl, you're the guy. This works out. So she likes it.

It's gender roles. She farted once. I almost killed her. but I was what Aaron Hernandez on that lady But Well you know women have the ick You know you do Like one time my friend wave like this

And a woman's like I have the ick I can never fuck you I think men have the ick with other shit with women You know You have your ick I have my ick So what's your ick for women? I think shit with the door opens a bummer Um fucking another

Another race No Just joking, everybody. Gaves and days, batty. Go Kaepernick. Comedy is fun. Comedy is fun. Comedy is fun.

Now, doing these kind of jokes, where do you get the balls to say it? And like, when do you know it's okay to say it in the room you're at? Like, how do you drop a race joke? Just drop a fart. We just met like everyone in the studio here. and he's farting like it's nothing.

Like, when do you, what's your reading process of the room to be able to call any kind of joke? Well, there's not much. I don't have much. That's why I got fired from most jobs. That's why I got fired from the mascot thing. I don't have that, that read, that my gauge is off. And you guys seem cool. So I just, you know, I just go for it.

And it's, it's hurt me a lot in life. But, you know, it's like Larry David said something funny on a show. And a guy goes, how the fuck could you say that to me? And he goes, I took a risk. And that's how I was. I took a risk. I went for it. And we're all going to die one day. Has there ever been a risk that you took that you're like,

man, I wish you didn't take that risk? Oh, my God, of course. It's most of my, I've been, I've been, I kicked out of three colleges. I got fired for most jobs I had. One time I finally got this gig. I was an open micer. And they hired me to host a Halloween show on AOL. And I was like, oh my God, I paid $5,000 most money I ever seen.

And I had to host a, or judge a costume contest. And a lady comes on with like a Batman. man outfit. And she's got this big whip. She was like a hot cat lady. And then this African queen came on after like a Nubian princess. And I said, watch that whip around the African. And the whole place shut down. They fired me immediately. We just started too. We were like 10 minutes in the shooting. And yeah. You just did a Michael Richards joke next to Jerry Seinfeld. Oh yeah. So that's the like, that's the bar. Well, you know, he gets it. I hope. No, my God.

So you're making a movie right now with Sam. Yeah, yeah, we wrote it. We're trying to get this thing shot and paid for. How's it doing? I did a couple scenes in it. Oh, that's a different movie. Sam's got his own movie. Sam's got movies up being in.

So, tell us, Sam is Spielberg. Yeah, he's Jewish. But, so Sam's working on his own movie, like kind of an indie thing. And then we wrote a full feature, like a, classic comedy kind of wedding crasher style comedy which you don't see anymore. And so we said, we want to write one. And now we got a financier. And now we just got to buckle down and, you know, storyboard it and shoot it and all that. Now, are we allowed to hear what it's about? Sure. Yeah. It's about, well, don't you feel like there's a shift happening? Like kids don't drink

anymore. Yeah. Men are toxic. Everybody's problematic. So we're the old boomer losers who are trying to sell a whiskey. And everybody's like, we vape and drink mushroom coffee or whatever. And we're like, no, no, booze. So we're out of the out of touch guys trying to make our business last in front of these Gen Z quiffs. And that's the whole movie. It's just trying to like navigate through this new world of transgender dog yoga or whatever the fuck's going on.

And yeah, so that's the comedy of it all. I like this. Are you going to act in it? Yeah, me and him are the main guy. Oh, heck yeah. Now, when can we expect to see something like this? Well, these movie Jews, they take forever, you guys. I don't know what the, all the, hey, we got to take off for Ramadan and then Hanukkah, then this and that.

So we're finally, you know, everybody just got back to showbiz from the new year. So it takes so long with these meetings. That's why the internet is winning. That's why podcasts are doing better than the Tonight Show, because it's all these meetings and all this red tape. Malibu is still on fire. Like we can't, we can't even build new houses. So much fine print.

I know. It takes forever. We'd be done by now if we started shooting it. We were doing the same thing with the show. We were selling a show loosely based off of Gronk and my early career. Got it past. Did this. Then doesn't get past. Does this.

Oh, then COVID. Then this. Exactly. It is fucking a nightmare to make anything. It is. It's a miracle. any movie is made. I had a friend. I'm not going to say who. He made an animated show. It's really funny. He brought it into Fox and they were like, we like it, but we're not sure if it's

and he goes, okay, you're not going to buy it. Let me just say, I have a huge following on YouTube. I'm going to put it on my YouTube. When it blows up and become successful, I'm not going to sell it to you. And they were like, we'll buy it. So now we have that, we have that backdoor angle. Like, hey, you're not the end-all-be-all. So we can do it ourselves. and they bought it in the room because of that. That's amazing. Same thing with Shane Gillis and tires. Just make it myself.

Fuck you guys. I have an audience. Exactly. You go pitch something. They go, I don't know. It's a risk. Mm-hmm. And then you go, all right, I'll just do it myself.

Then they're like, okay, okay, okay. They're nervous. Well, Jewish. They're always nervous. Can we? That's the last Jew joke. One more. One more.

How can you go with one more? I met my ex-my girlfriend was Jewish. I met her on that Jewish app. PayPal. All right. That's the last one. We got it out. Now,

you're a seller comic. Sure, yeah. How often are you at the cellar? I'm there, you know, a couple times a week. When you're not touring,

when you're not fucking making movies, this is kind of like your practice, right? Yeah. As a comic athlete world, you guys practice your shit every night at, you know,

the comedy store or the seller. Completely. Yeah, you do the, I'm doing Bray Improv or you do a theater. on the road, that's when you really make your money. But in the city, you do these little clubs to tinker and fine tune and try new jokes. So you work it out in the city at these clubs and then

you take it on the road and show everybody what you got. So is that how you form your jokes and your sets and all that stuff? You start, how do you write a joke? Do you write it at your house? Do you use pen and paper using your phone? Are you seeing an experience? And then how do you transition it into the club. It's hard. I mean, you write down all these ideas. You're in the shower. You go, oh, that's kind of funny. I never thought about that. Then you write it down. Then you play with it. And you try to write out a full setup and punchline. Then you bring it to an audience in the city. And they go, ha ha, ha, or no ha. And then you go, okay, I got to tweak that or change that or just drop it. And then sometimes you bring one and they do say ha ha. And then you go, I got a new joke.

Like I have a new one now about how it's mostly based on your life. So my wife, somebody told me to watch porn with your wife. Apparently that's sexy. So I brought it up to her and she said, I like lesbian porn. And I thought, okay, that's kind of funny. So I clocked that. And then I thought, how can I make this a joke? So I said, well, I like interracial. So we compromise and watch a WNBA game. So the joke kills, but it took forever to think about that.

So I'm like, how do I make my wife liking lesbian porn funny? I got to add something to it. And that's the art of comedy, is figuring out that recipe. You got to make it out of thin air. That's fucking... Thanks. It's killing. It's killing. I shouldn't have given it away. That's a good... That's insane. So, but it took forever to think of that. So that's the hard part, but that's why we get paid. Now, what's life like on the road when you're touring?

I love the road. I hate the flight and the airport and all that, but like, I'm sitting in a hotel in Brea and I'm in the pool all day. I'm nursing my hangover and then I get to do my writing. You feel like an artist, you know? And then you go on this show. We got sold out shows. I mean, it's, I'm so grateful. I get to live this life. This is all I ever wanted. Now, now, what you eat last night?

Uh, are you laxose? Lactose? Tacos. Tacos. No, no lactose. I'm not, remember, I'm goy. We don't have the issues. But hey, man, you're keeping the, the tribe alive, you know? How many Jewish in a pro sports is like trans.

Holy shit. Look at that. There's one. People get mad or not mad, but whatever. But Jews are trans a lot in common, by the way. What else? Well, alter your genitalia, a lot of holidays. Change your name a lot.

We had to. I know. I know. I get it. John Leibowitz, John Stewart. Oh, my God. So what? When you're on the road.

Sorry. Thank God we're not here on a Saturday, huh? I'm Sabbath. When you're on the road. Sorry, let me re-fame, get back into this. Well, do you have, like, the Jewish community? Are they behind you? 1,000%.

That's so cool. Yeah. That's great. And what communities behind you? Nobody. I got nothing. You don't want the white community behind you because that sounds weird. but like you're like a black guy in hockey

you know it's rare so P. Ksouban shout out my guy there you go they're taking over black ice um I'm just kidding but uh yeah

that's cool anyone ever got mad at you for like a race joke when you're in a room with your buddies and they have maybe a black friend and you drop something all the time of black people don't get mad it's only fucking dumb honkies to get mad

it's only like the white lady who's like hey I'm like well who's who's more offensive? You think he can't handle a joke. Now when you're doing crowd work on the road or something and you get something like that, how do you deal with it? A mad, an angry person? An angry person that is probably not of

the person you're making fun of. It kind of bums me out because it's like being in a UFC ring and punching a guy and somebody going like, hey, that's violent. You're like, I know, but we're at a comedy club. This is what I'm supposed to be making jokes. And just because you are soft doesn't mean the writing's not good. you know, so yeah, it bums me out.

So then I just make fun. I just go in on the person. Yeah. Because this is what we're doing here. We're in this building. I'm not going out on the street going, hey, look at that. Insert slur here. But in the club, everyone knows this is, you know, when I say, hey, we had the Riddler on and I got hard.

I'm joking. I didn't actually get hard. So when someone doesn't get that I'm joking, it's like, it's frustrating. It's like, what do you think we're doing here? What's your favorite joke that didn't connect with the crowd? Oh, geez. I used to have this old joke about this is a true story. I was upstate New York like this hillbilly town and I saw a black woman and I asked her for directions and a guy drove by in a truck like a real redneck and he yells out N-word lover.

And I was like, geez, I just met this girl and you're going to use the L word already? I mean, slow down. That's a little forward, huh? It's a crazy word. So it's a joke, but, you know, I took a horrible thing and made. it silly. And that's the point of comedy, I thought. What's the coolest moment you've had because of comedy? Oh, I've had so many, man. I mean, just like, just meeting, meeting Seinfeld, a guy I grew up

watching with my family in the 90s on NBC and then just doing like this Chicago theater or did the forum with Louis C.K. You know, like, you're on a private jet with people. So, like, Shane Gillis, he just, we're friends. So he let me open. for him in like a weekend and you do these arenas, then you go get a steak, then you go get drunk, then you go back to the four seasons, then you get on a jet, and then you do it again the next night,

and then we worked on SNL jokes, and he flew to New York, and he did SNL. I mean, the whole thing is bananas. It's all insane. Showbiz. That's showbiz, buddy. Showbiz is the shit. I mean, these producers and everything, the executives

ruin it, but that's why I thank God for the internet. speak how was it having fucking Seinfeld on your show that's like gotta be as a as a comic surreal and with like you you kind of break down your daily life shit which is basically what that show was yeah yeah you're just a little more vulgar with it but how was that how was it having Seinfeld it was amazing I met him like six years ago in a club I was shaking I was so nervous and he's like take my number that's the cool thing about comedy Mick Jagger is never going to talk to like a bar room guitar player but the biggest comedian will still look at a young up and coming comedian as an equal almost. And that's a beautiful thing because we're all just... Understands the struggle. Yes. Exactly. They understand the grind. We're all just normal guy. Like these celebrities are all at the Golden Globes like, oh my God, we're all here. We have to take each other so seriously and wear $10,000 dresses. You know, comedians, we're just like barroom retards, you know? And so that's the cool thing about comedy. It's more like

salt of the earth. Less pretension, you hope. But yeah, just I planted a seed like four years ago. Like, hey, if you ever want to do my pod? And he's like, I don't think so. Whatever. And I'm like, of course, of course. And then four years went by and he went, you know what? I'll do it.

And that was it. So, crazy. Is that your moment? What was your moment that you've made it in the comedy world? I used to work as a janitor. And then I got to quit and just live off comedy. And that's when you make it. Everybody thinks it's this big.

Oh, I got tapped by Johnny Carson. No, no. It's when you can quit. the day job and just be a comedian. That's, that's it. When you can write comedian on your taxes. Yes,

exactly. And then cheat them. How many cash gigs? A lot of cash gigs. Do you have a pre-show routine? Uh, like is there like a certain amount of like, all right,

I got to take two shots, maybe a, you know, a cigarette right before. Is there any? I like to take a big boom, boom, get that out of the way.

You flush it out. And then I just look at my notes, a shower. look at my jokes and then go on. Drinking before a show is I think a is a misconception. That's actually not what people do because that'll, you want your head to be sharp, sharp. It's like drinking before a football game.

You know, you want to be in it. Drink after. You ever seen that photo of the guy playing? He's in a halftime moment during the Super Bowl in like the 50s. Oh, yeah. Why are you titul? Yeah, drinking a beer and smoking a cigarette in halftime.

And you're like, boy, men were men. Oh, yeah. Great photo. Those old photos of the NFL are insane. Put that in if you just so people know what I'm talking about in the edit. Jack Lambert. Oh, sorry. That was Lynn Dawson.

I'm sorry. Len Dawson. I was off on that one. Yep. You're not in, because when I went and did that roast. Yes, you killed that.

We were nervous for you. I was terrified. I was hitting up, there it is. I was hitting up Sam a bunch about it. Good. Running my jokes by them. You got to prepare.

And we went to the comedy store and I did 15 minutes. Jeff Ross let me, he let me do 15 minutes on the back end of one of his things. things on Friday. So I went and did it. And thank God there was like 15 frat dudes that loved football and they laughed at everything. But I was shaking

telling my jokes because it's so fucking, especially in a more intimate small. Yes. It's like scarier because you could see everyone. Completely. Completely. But good on you for running it because that's the only way to do it. You need that audience or else you don't know what the fuck's funny. Yeah.

It's not even that or when to deliver the joke. If you're not like a joke teller, Right. You know, you deliver the joke and then there's a laugh and then you think just go right in, you got to like wait for it to say, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. The pausing, the, it was fucking, it's so uncomfortable. Well, it's kind of like sex. Like the first time you have sex, you're like, I don't know what I'm doing. Look at these tits. I just came. Oh, my God. I have to pretend like I'm not freaking out. And then eventually after having sex a million times, you're just kind of like, you're in it. That's what comedy's like, oh, this will be great. And then you're up there like, oh my God, they're looking at me. It's quiet. I'm bombing. I'm freaking out. And your brain just goes fight or flight and you kind of start spiraling. So it's reps. It's all reps. Just get reps. Yes. How do you stay in shape as a comedian? I'm a big cardio quiff. I walk everywhere. I hit the treadmill. I think you got to stay. I mean, unless you're like the fat guy and that's your thing, you got to stay lean. Because this is a blue collar gig. You're on a flight. Then you're on stage. Then you're meeting and greeting. You're signing shit. You're taking photos. Then you got to get back on a.

flight and all that. So drinking is like my one vice that I allow myself to have because you see these comedians. They all blow it on like overdosing and like Patrice O'Neal ate himself to death. Shit like that. Pills are a big one. So you got to, you got to stay in it. You got to stay in it. How do you keep your mind in shape? Are you like waking up in the morning immediately just putting like, what are you looking at news, looking at Reddit, looking at something while you're taking a shit, drinking a coffee. All that. And that's...

Just consuming, consuming. And then you're just tinkering. Like, okay, how can I make this funny? All right. Oh, Maduro just got pulled out of his house with his wife. That's kind of funny that his wife was there. That was probably annoying. He's like, I've got to get yelled at in the helicopter now.

You know, so you're just trying to make everything funny. And then you're like, that's the first time Trump's brought an immigrant into the country, you know, unless it's his wife. You know, so you're just constantly tinkering, tinkering. So, yeah, your brain is always searching. for connections and stuff. So it's exhausting. We'll be right back after this quick break. What if mind control is real?

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This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here.

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Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to broken play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the iHard.

Art Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. Is there a favorite joke from another comedian that you have? Oh, geez. I mean, I love it. I love like old Chris Rock to me as some of the best. I heard a joke the other day that really got me. He said, I want to die like my father, not screaming. I want to die with dignity like my father, not screaming and yelling, terrified like his passengers. You know? I love jokes like that. I just heard that two days ago.

But yeah, jokes are great. They're fun. Twitter and memes are so good. Memes are incredible. I mean, that's all I send to my friends. Oh, that's why I have harder at memes than anything else he says. I don't even communicate anymore. Everything's either a gif, a meme, even on a response.

Yeah. Emoji or an emoji. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like we have a whole. where comedy movies used to be and all that. And I think memes have kind of just filled it. I'm so looking forward to your movie though, because that's like a super bad kind of thing.

You know what I mean? I love those kind of movies. And like you said, we've gotten away from it. And it'll be fun to incorporate, you know, what are we, Gen Y? Alpha? No, Alice is new, yeah.

What are we? I think we're not boomers, but we're the millennials right before it. We're the X. Yes, yes, exactly. Which is right before, you know, what it is now and it's crazy because it came from us.

Yeah, Gen Y. Gen Y is 81 to 96, they say. Oh, really? Oh, I didn't know that. I didn't either. Can they rebrand that? So how's touring in other countries? You just went to Europe. You did a bunch of UK. You did Australia. How is it different than when you're touring here in the States?

It's way different. It's cool. We invented stand-up, which is kind of crazy, that Americans put that together. still kind of new over there. So you get to go over there and it kind of feels like when when these like black NBA players go play in Spain. You're like, oh, we're going to dominate you guys. We're like 6'8 and black, you know, and that's how you feel as an American comedian. You're like, I'm going to come over here and show you how comedy is because they're all doing slapstick bullshit, you know, 80s stuff. And we're so past them. So they love American

comedy. They all watch the podcast. They watch all the Netflix specials. They eat it up. I go to Australia. Australia is like America in the 90s. Everybody's doing Coke. They're all hot and they say retard. It's amazing. I think Australia just loves American culture. They love football.

American football is like, I think that's the third biggest country or second biggest country that it's popular in out of the internationals. It's like Mexico, Germany and Canada, too. In Australia. Canada too. And Canada. They're getting the game soon.

Yeah, they got a game next year going to Australia. Whoa. I mean, you imagine that fucking jetlock. Oh, man, I always think about that. With UFC fighters, they have to fight in Australia or Tokyo or something. I'm like, are you wiped and tired? Remember during COVID they were fighting like halfway of island? And they were fighting at like an island and it was like four in the morning,

their time and they're fighting so we could watch. That is crazy. I think you've got to fly out two weeks before adjust or something because comics are such pussies. We're like, oh, I'm in L.A. It's three hours different. you know, but those guys suck it up. And I was in London and there was an NFL game going on.

Yeah. That blew my mind. I played in London. Really? Yeah, we've been playing in London for like probably 15 to 20 years now. Jeez, I didn't know that. Pretty soon in the NFL, every team will play an international game. Wow.

Was that kind of cool or was it just the same? It was the first time I ever left the country. What? Yeah. What's that about? It was, I mean, I was an athlete and we didn't have money. That's, that means. So, you know, we went camping every year.

But, like, for I think it's a great thing. It's making the sport I love more popular. Totally. It's giving a lot of, like, I would say, 90, 85% of the, when I was playing, players didn't go, you know, across, they'd ever left the country. Sure. You know, you got a lot of guys from New Orleans. Right.

You know, rural areas that only played sport. So I think it's great for that. And I had a blast. Just getting to, did like, the touristy shit. went to Big Ben Hyde Park. We did a walk through in Hyde Park

as a full NFL team and no one knew who we were or anything. It was nuts. And it's cool to have a guy in Australia

named Deontae for a week. I don't think they get a lot of that, you know. That's a culture shock. We called out a knife. This life

has a door. Right, right. You see that, what was it? What's the guy's name? Metcalfe. Yeah, with the hair flip.

He did it on the fan. He had a blue, Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, that guy was getting all of them. The poor guy. That was a mush. We call that a mush on this podcast. He did not punch him or anything.

No. And he got suspended for multiple games. Two games. And now they're losing. Yep. They're out. They're out. Oh, that sucks.

I mean, he could have knocked the guy out. Like, all right, then take him out. But it was just like a, hey, that guy. That guy is like a professional agitator that has agitated him when he was on a different team. Oh. So there's a lot of bullshit behind that. That's, You can't go that.

I mean, you can't do what. You can't touch a fan. I guess so. You can't touch a fan, but it is hard. It's got to be tough, especially when the guys agitating you over time. Yeah, I mean, you got to think about it. You guys are in like the mindset of like, to get that agitator away, just make a joke. You have a caged animal that's literally in an auditorium trying to kill other humans.

Yes. You're trying to agitate that thing? I know. It's insane. That's why I think we all kind of get a little pleasure out of like when Ron Artesse went up and beat the fuck out of like 18 fans. And you're kind of like, ah, this was fun. They threw a drink at the guy. I don't know. Have it at it. It's meta. Meta. World Peace. Sorry. Okay.

But yeah, we all rub one out to that fight. And who are these like five foot six Ohio guys who are like, I'll take you? Like, oh, my nuts. This guy's going to murder you. I still think about that guy. They look like Jerry Ferrar. They're like this like, but the balls on that guy. Let's go back into time where the game took place. This game took place December 13th, 2003. And we go over some of the pop culture that was going on.

Amazing. Number one movie, are you a Lord of Rings guy? Nah, I can't do it. It's too long. I've tried to get into it. I can't. Yeah, I like a movie where a guy's got a job and a car. This is like too much fantasy, weird shit.

Number one song, oh yeah. Or hey yeah by Outcast. Great song. That was my prom. Whoa. Shaking it like a Polaroid picture. Yeah. Lucy Lou. Lucy Lou.

Around this time, great movies. Elf, bad Santa. Cheaper by the dozen. The last samurai was spectacular. Spectacular. Tom Cruise. Oh, that's one of my favorite movies. Great movie.

They don't make good movies anymore. O3 was a good comedy year too. You had old school in O3. Old school. Had to Lange, I was just on. I was just on. I was just on a flight from Fort Lauderdale

and Luke Olson was right in front of me. Luke Wilson. Luke Wilson. Yeah. And I see him. And the whole time I'm kind of like old school, old school, school. So I sit there and I finally muster up enough courage for when we're getting off. And I go, sir, there seems to be something wrong with my seatboat.

What do you recommend I do? And he goes, He looks at me, goes, you can't say the next line no more, bubs. Yes, yes. By the way, that's in the first, like, four minutes of the movie. I think it's his first line. Yeah, yeah. I'm here for the gang bang.

Yes. That's the director. Yeah, Todd Phillips. Oh, my God, that's an all-timer. Wow. Now, what was life like for Mark in 2003? I graduated high school in 01. So this is a young me out in Baton Rouge, living in a house with five guys.

we had a hot tub, beer pong, we'd play poker every Monday with like 20 people. We were having sex with women. We were stealing street signs. It was a great old time. Dude, you were living old school. I was. I was. I remember when that kid.

We'd watch Chappelle show all together. That was when the Red Sox and the Yankees were going at it. Oh, man. I remember that time. It was a magical time. Some of your favorite early 2000 comedy films. Oh, geez. Well, I loved, I don't know if this is early 2000s, but.

I think it all shifted around 2012. That's what everything got a little bummery. Bummery. Like, think about it. The Farreley brothers did Dumb and Dumber, me myself and Irene, something about Mary. All these are reverber. And then one day they just did the Green Book. That's when you know everything changed.

Like, oh, we got to make a movie about a black guy who's getting racist towards. And you're like, what happened to Dumb and Dumber? What happened to a girl putting jizz in her hair? You know? It just shows the ultimate shift in the country. country when it went from like, we got to be serious now. Anyone on Oscar for it. Anyone on Oscar.

To make it worse. Jeez. So yeah, I love those something about Mary and all that. I love swingers. I love just to be myself and Irene. Those were all huge. All the time. Me myself and Irene.

So funny. Other movies that came out this year. O3 also had... Bad Santa's killer. Yeah, Bad Santa's had out, Thurman, Merman. American wedding. American Pie was even before that, of course. Anchor Management was in 03.

Lost in Translation, All-Time. That's 03. I mean, golly, that's back when movies were movies, man. Amazing. These were comedies.

Billy Bob Thornton and Angelina Joe Lee got divorced. I remember watching them go to the music. What was that music award? Was it MTV? I think it was a TV. We just fucked in the car. She was my number one, too. So the fact that this troll could bang her was like inspirational.

He's really had to come back. Now he's doing what Verizon commercial? No, he's doing lazy. He's doing it. Team Mobile ads, yeah. Landman's a hit. Everyone's, that's, everyone's talking about that damn show.

It's a fun show. I love Lane Man. I mean, it's not good, but it's great. Yeah. It's literally paid for by other companies. Oh, yeah, look at that. Were you in Bad Ruse the year they won? I was, yeah, it was Mayhem.

It was wild. It was like October 7th out there. It was fucking bananas. And we used to have this thing where we would have kegs of the house. We realized kegs were of the best bang for your buck, but we couldn't afford a keg. we were all broke. They're like 70 bucks back then, right?

Yeah, something like that. But you got 33 cases out of a keg. That's what the math we did. But we couldn't afford one. So we made a deal with our like bodega guy. And he was like the little Chinese guy. He was like, if you bring me three empty shells, I'll give you a full keg. So we would just go around town stealing shells from tailgating.

And then we'd get a full keg. That was our move back then. The recycle move. Yes. He was recycling, making a boatload more. I got thrown out of an LSU game once. because we would line our shirts with booze in ziplocks, with whiskey in ziplox.

And I got patted down and I got caught. The guy's like, what the hell? Oh my God. I had like four ziplocks full of whiskey. And so he was about, he threw me down. He was going to cuff me. My friend stole the, uh, that little leather bound booklet they have where they write the tickets.

He stole that and started running. So they started chasing him. So I got out of there. And then, uh, that we had that booklet on our house and we'd write each other tickets for fun. Hey, you're a fucking gay. Here you go. And that was a big highlight at one of the games. Did you get in the game?

No, I never got in the game. We had Burke Kreischer on the show, and he would sneak booze into FSU games. And he said what he'd do, you needed, like, a decoy. So he would go in with, like, bagels and locks. Oh. And then he would go first, and they'd pull him aside. Oh, I just wanted food, whatever. And then all the guys behind him would go right in.

That's genius. That's Burke Chrys for you. He went to college for 15 years. That's true. Yeah. He was Van Wilder. He was Van Wilder, bro. Do you remember the night LSU won in Baton Rouge? I mean, I blacked out, but...

No one remembers that night. We, we, I remember we stole a pig, like a roasted pig, off of the street. Because, you know, these... The whole town went apes shit, so you could just had your pick of the litter at the tailgating. Because they all left it around. You Aladdin? We took a whole pig home, and we ate it. Oh, like...

Geez. You guys are wild. I can only imagine both... This is almost like... Like, this is, there were no cell phones, Bat Rouge, LSU. Oh, my God. Tony Hawk landed his second 900 at the X-Games. I remember that.

I remember that too. That was, I was, because they did it at San Francisco when he did the first one. And I think this year, in 2003, didn't Travis Pistrana do the backflip into the bay and then got fined because the oil or whatever? The oil in the bay. Whoa. Off the pier. This is peak X-Games time. This is peace.

Yes. You skated, right? We used to be a country. Yeah. Oh, I skated it for a year. That was my whole life. I remember the Bob Bernquist run. I remember all that shit. You used to play the game? I played the game, yeah, but I also lived it, baby. I have two broken ankles and two broken wrists. What was your best trick? I could 360 flip downstairs. My backside flip was unmatched. And my best trick was a kickflip in the front side node slide shove it out. Jesus. I can feel the vagina's drying.

I reckon to show you They're not listening to the show. But somewhere Sal Massadale's britt up. I heard Tony Hawk gave you a shout-out. He did, yes. That had to be insane. The king. I led of my life.

I did his podcast. We kind of became friendly. And then some TMZ douche was like, hey, what celebrities do you like? And he goes, this kid, Mark Norman's a pretty good skater. And I'm horrible, but it was a nice, nice moment.

Can you still kickflip right now? I can, if you gave me like eight tries, I bet I could do it. Could you still very, flip. Nah, I couldn't do that. You could shove it. I could shove it easy.

Easy. Heel flip. Yeah, that's going to be a little harder. Kick flip's pretty basic. I always was better at a heel flip than a kick flip. Oh, interesting. Interesting. It was weird.

Yeah. I learned how to heel, that's all I could do. Heel flip, kick flip, and a shove it. Oh, that's pretty good. And then I tried to grind and I got stitches on my, my shin on a bar. Wow. And I never skated. My dad wouldn't let me skate again because it was during baseball season.

I almost missed a game. The injuries are wide. with skateboarding. And then you couldn't wear pads because kids would make fun of you. So you had to just raw dog it. Yeah. And everybody got hurt. 1,000% and but like all you had to you had to have some serious

balls to be a good skater. Because you have, you have to be willing. And that was always, I didn't, I didn't have that because I didn't want to get hurt for sport, like the real, like my other sports. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's kind of like stand up where you have to bomb to work out of a joke. You have to fall to land a trick.

Now what do you, what do you think of it when you see these little kids nowadays. They're fucking insane. Unbelievable. These kids are bananas. Sky Brown, the little girl is insane. I know. Who saw that coming? And what was this guy? Chris Jocelyn is unbelievable. Nigel Houston.

All these Shane O'Neill. He just fell on how to... I saw that. That was one of the worst falls I've ever seen in my life. But he's okay. He's okay. He's okay. He's okay. Hit his head twice downstairs. I mean, the guy's a fucking animal. Mount Rushmore skaters. For you.

Geez, that's tough, because I'm going to say a bunch of people you never heard of. Like Andrew Reynolds, Eric Koston. Oh, really? You guys know these guys? I went to the, I was from the Bay Area with X games. Jamie Thomas I'd put in there. Oh, Daywan Song and probably Rodney Mullen. Rodney Mullen.

I'm a street guy. Daywant's song was always in the like the second tier skate game. Like he wasn't in Tony Hawk. He was like, it was a thing was just called skate or something. Yes, there was a skate thing. Yeah. Yeah. Tony Hawk said he made more money off that game than he did in his whole career of skateboarding. 1,000 percent.

That game's like a Madden type game. Totally. I think they made like four of them. Yeah. I still think about that damn warehouse, man. The music is so good. Roswell. Yeah.

Playing as a kid and then like growing up and going to places, it's like, oh my God, I've skateboarded here before. Yeah, yeah, exactly. That in Grand Theftado. Yeah. Grand Theftado has made you, like, I think I've been in Miami. Oh, no, I played my city. I had that with virtual porn.

I'm like, I think I've got. fucked here. Can you take us through your skateboard setup? Like what boards you use? Like trucks? It was your shit. I was like girl a lot. I don't know why. Girl was by an independent truck. Spitfire wheels. Always pretty standard. But yeah,

I love the girl board. I don't know why. I had a Skateworks board. There was our local shop in Redwood City. Redwood City was actually where the guy who started Thrasher magazine was from. That's where I grew. Oh wow. That's great. Boy, the Bay Area must have been amazing in the 90s. Yeah. I was always this skate adjacent job. Oh, that's rare.

You know what I mean? So I was like jock that hung out with a bunch of drop kicks. Yeah. You know, the kids that were doing all like the bad stuff. Sure. And that was like the skate community. Wow. Yeah, because usually jock and skater were very, it was like.

It was opo. Yeah, greasers and the socio. Yeah. Whatever you call it. Yeah, that was tough. So good, good on you for melding the gap. That's what we tried to do. What was the skate shoe of choice?

Oh, man, D.C. DC. Yeah, like the big, like a big, White DC. Etnys was good. What were the big blocky ones that everyone had for a while? Soaps.

No, soaps are the grinding shoes. I like Esse's. S's. Those are good. No one knew how to pronounce them, but those are great shoes. There was that,

it was like, had like, I remember the tongue was like built into it. Had the big pad on the tongue. It was like the hottest shoe everyone wanted for a while. Really?

It has a name, I forget. Bull it up. Cs Edney's, Othewtah, Circa. Circa. Circa.

Circa, but there was a specific Circa. There was specific, what was the Circa specific ones? Let's see. There's a name. Airwalk is that thing. Airwalk. The Airwalk went to pay less. What? That's crazy.

Like, I think in mid-2000s. Damn. Because they had the Shack shoe and the Airwalk. Whoa, that's crazy. They're still making circuses. Oh, yeah, these were insane. I forgot about these. Good memory, Joel. I'm 42.

I'm 39. Okay, yeah. So we're like, we're the same. Same era. No. I had those. I had those. I had those exact same shoes.

Circle what. These are Osiris. These are Osiruses. These are Osiris. These are Osiris. The Osiris. Everyone wanted that fucking shoe. I was like the blind boards, too, because they had like the cool, like,

little devil grim weeper guy. Yeah, world industries. Yeah. World Industries. Yeah. The little flames. Yeah. A little tech decks.

You guys have tech decks? Oh, yeah. I had that. I was never good at it. but I always had it in my... Yeah, that was a good way to learn fingering. You know, because it got your fingers all muscled up. All right, let's jump into this game room.

I'm down the Osiris rabbit hole over here. The Osiris D-3s. Osiris D-3. Goodness gracious. The D-3s. There it is. Puffy. I always like the Eric Austin S.

Jack, break down these Jacksonville Jaguars. All right, let's get into these Jacksonville Jaguars here real quick. Five and 11, boo. First year of the Jack Del Rio era. They'd only been around since 95 Incepted in 93 Got announced started playing in 95 Had Mark Brunel as their starter

For the whole time up until 03 Week 3 he gets benched For Byron left which the rook At a marshal there Bad team on the road this year 0 and 8 on the road Lone Pro Buller Marcus Strad Let's talk about some of these dudes on this team

You got Fred Taylor a friend of the show We love Freddie T over here Jimmy Smith You got Kyle Brady And then you got big John Anderson Remember him? Classic video, him getting slapped before. Looked that one up. Nick Sorenson. Wasn't this the era where the Jaguarier got the flag in his eye?

The referee threw a flag. Oh, I got to look this up. And it hit one of the guys in the eye and he had to retire. Yeah, because that was back when they used to wait the flags. Remember that? It would be weighted in the end so they could. They still are weighted. No, but they used to throw it out players.

Now they throw it up. Yeah. They throw it at the spot. Yeah. They tried to throw it. And it hit a guy like a big ass D-Liman. And his eye, his eye swelled up. Oh, that's like a Bonnie Blue.

It's like a facial. Holy moly. Is that Orlando Brown? What a way to go out too. You're a football player getting smashed by giant dudes. And then a fucking handkerchief. I swear they changed the weight in them or something. I don't know.

What's Jacksonville like as a comedy town? It's good. It's good. I mean, I wouldn't want to live there, but these people are just, they want, they want the hard stuff. They're weathered over there. They've seen it all. Now what's the difference between like a Jacksonville crowd, a Naples crowd, and a Miami or Fort Lauderdale crowd? Are they similar? No, no. That's the cool thing about Florida. It's a whole different world everywhere you go. And I think Jacksonville's great because they need a fucking laugh. You know, they live in Jacksonville. Miami is no good because they're all hot and coked up and fake tits and they're doing the salsa. You know, it's too sexy. Comedy's not sexy. Tampa is awesome. Tampa's great. Sam's doing a special there. I saw that and he picked that Tampa as a special.

It's interesting to me. Great comedy town. That's where Bert's from. It's just something about that. It's kind of blue collar, but also beachy and laid back. It's a great combination. What about Boca?

Ah, you don't want to go to Boca. They're too rich. They're up their own ass. I don't know. It's great to visit, but it's a bunch of old people. No thanks. It's like playing the caskills.

Yeah, yeah. So Florida in general is a, that's a great state for her. Great comedy state. Yeah, for sure. What are some of the worst states? Ooh. That's a good question.

You probably shouldn't ask that because you still got to go to Rome. States are tough because it's city by city. Because you go to Louisiana, you're going to eat shit in New Orleans, but you'll kill in like Monroe, you know. So it's really city. It's same with Buffalo is awesome, but then Syracuse sucks. And that's all New York. So it's really city to city.

City to city. I feel like Connecticut gets a bad rap a lot. Connecticut can be tough. Connecticut can be tough. It's a weird state. It's a commuter. The whole thing's commuting. Do you remember any of these guys on this team?

No, no. All right, let's jump in. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Can we watch this video real quick? Please. Oh, yeah, no, this is a different one. Oh, wait. Oh, this one gets me fired up almost every time.

This is John Henderson from this year. My thought for you all, my first year were you. Look, Del Rio. So you can focus and play with courage. Whoa. Joe, that ain't good enough. Come on. Wow.

He just came. Jesus. Was he preparing for the Oscars? The Will Smith? Who's he talking to? Boy, I hate to have sex with this guy. Can you imagine? I don't know why I think about that video quite often, though.

Holy moly. Got to make blood come to my mouth. Damn. Shout out John Anderson. Oh my God. Let's go over these Saints. Hell yeah. Heck yeah, baby.

The 8th and 8 Saints, fourth year of the Jim Haslett era. You got Mike McCarthy is the O.C. You might remember him from the Cowboys and the Packers over there. Slow start, one and four, but had a little mid-season surge, went six and two.

Nice little run there. Missed the playoffs for the third straight year, but we were in it right till the end. Deuce McAllisterla. Charles Bentley is the Pro Bowler's. Stallworth. Stallworth, baby, Dante. Aaron Brooks.

Man, the Aaron Brooks number two jersey. That went platinum. I remember that being everywhere. That was everywhere. That was everywhere in the States. Everywhere. People love Brooks. People love Darren Brooks.

Joe Horn. Joe Horn did the cell phone right before this game. Yep, the game before this one. Remember that when he took the cell phone out under? No. All time celebration. So Joe Horn scored a touchdown and then he went to the field goal post and he put a cell phone there and he said he called his kid. Oh, that's great.

That's putting in the preparation and the effort for the celebration. No one you're going to score. Yes. What's all about, baby. Good point. This was a big prop era for. I don't know. Celebrations.

Everyone going full carry top over there. Explain to me what a game's like at the Superdome as a fan because I know it as a player. I've never seen so many umbrellas. They bring umbrellas in. That's a cultural thing. Yeah, it's the second line. We bring umbrellas in Mardi Gras. It's like a dance.

Yeah. I think that was bad luck. That's why you guys have done so bad. That's a good point. I never thought about that. It's just so ingrained. Just also walking under a ladder. Ladders.

Yeah. Black cats running. Right. I never thought about that. We're opening an umbrella indoors. No one do we lose. Good point. They stopped it. Did they? No. Oh, okay. They'll keep doing that forever. We'll be right back after this quick break. What if mind control is real? If you could control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed with such good feelings.

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from the Broken Play podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The cheese. What's a rap? It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his Bull Nick's at?

He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk about. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation?

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Navgreen from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. What's your favorite saint memory of all time? Ooh, boy. I mean, look, it's hard to not say the Super Bowl win. But I don't know. I've seen Drew Breeze just kick ass for that amount of years was the city was like humming.

It was a beautiful thing because we don't have much in New Orleans. You know, the city's always bankrupt. The food's good. We got drinking. We got Mardi Gras. But we were kind of like this little underdog town. People forget New Orleans is like 250,000, 300,000 people. It's not a big city.

It's like a town. Yeah. So when they win, it is just epic. The horrible thing, the worst thing in the Superdome was Katrina when everybody got raped and beat up. So when you get a big thing. win in there, it means a lot. It's a great convention city, I feel. It is. That's what we do. We were good at entertaining. Come on in.

Wine and dine you. But living there is a little rough. I always say New Orleans is like a dad who sells drugs. You know, your friends are like, well, this is cool. I'm like, hey, I could use a hug and a vegetable. All right? Because it ain't easy in the off season. No, what's it like having a Super Bowl in New Orleans that's not St. related. Just like... That's almost better. Because you can just enjoy the game and hang out. Like, they just had

one there. What was it? Last year. And the whole city comes alive and we party and we celebrate. We're so good at fanfare. That's where the umbrellas come out and the jazz bands and the big brass instruments. But when it's there, it's two tents. If you lose and it's, then the whole city's depressed.

Best food spot in Orleans. Oh, man. Well, I like this place Frankie and Johnny's. There's another place called Coops. La Petitie Grocery is amazing. I could go all day. Domilisi's poe boys. What kind of poe do you get?

I like shrimp and or a roast beef with extra gravy. What do you mean to roast beef with extra gravy? What's that? They just do these slabs of roast beef and then with gravy. They just, they call it debris. Because when they pull it out of the pan, it's like falling apart. So it looks like debris, which sounds like a player. This is Debrie Jackson.

but yeah and it's just it just falls apart it's so tender and then I want extra gravy I want that that French bread to be soggy soggy yeah a dip the shrimp is great too and the soft shell crab or fried oyster what's the most overrated dish in New Orleans

ooh damn they're all pretty great I guess I guess I'd say jambalaya jambalaya no no no the muffalada mufelada is a ham sandwich with olive Hopinod? What is that? Humpinod?

I guess, yeah. It's like diced olive kind of a medley on top. And I don't know. It's like a Cuban sand with olive. I don't love it. But people rave about it. All right.

Let's jump into this game. Jackie. So we hit the little quick lead up here. We touched on a little bit. Jaguars out of it at this point. Hoping to find a little bit of a high note to end on in the inaugural Byron Left Witch season. The Saints still alive looking to make the playoffs for the first.

time since 2000, as we mentioned earlier. Jags come in this thing, 4 and 10, Saints 7 and 7, week 15, Monday night football, just a few days before this. Beat the crap out of the New York Giants. That's when we get the Joe Horn cell phone celebration. Iconic. Can we pull it up, Collar?

What do you think about sports going all wonky and going like on Amazon or Netflix or YouTube? Is that weird? Yeah, it's weird for the consumer. I can't see it. It's great. I guess so. It means more money. All right.

Well, that's good. Depends on what you want. You know? Right. Because the bigger. Right here, see? Oh, he had a hidden under the mat thing, out of the cushion.

Like WWE. Oh, you see, I got a call. Oh, look at the flip phone. Oh, look at the flip phone. Amazing. Amazing. Okay, I love you. Bye.

Oh, wow. And just the fact that he, you know, kept his son. It's all great, you know. Boy, you love to see it. Joe Montana did that for real during games. He'd have a phone. Paul's wife, which is kind of way in. I like his kid on the other end.

Who is this? Yeah. His kid was on the other end? I don't know. No. You saw it was way to end. That was some mascot stuff. It was.

You see how he went there. Yeah, good point. Something with the flip nature of it made it a lot better. If you do it today with it, it's just done the act of flipping the work. Yeah, you're right. You know what I mean? Have we lost the in zone celebration? Remember like the do-da-da-da-da-da-and-every-all, stuff like there?

The M-zone celebrations are like, like, all-time high right now. Okay, great. Because they allow, they allow group celebration now, I think. Yeah. They used to not allow group celebration. All right, good. Bring it on. I mean, the fans love it. Everybody goes crazy. Yeah. Now they got that camera position directly at the back of the end zone. Yeah, they have a camera for you. Right. Yeah. Waiting for it. I love it. Did you ever have one? Nah, I just spiked. Oh, spike is good. Just spiked. Spiked.

Spike's a classic. Yeah. All-timer. You and Rob. Rob. The gronk. Grunk. Right. A couple of Spike legends, baby. All right, what's this game? Can we hit this game? You guys should have done a dirty dancing. You and Bron. He lifts you up. That would be great.

He could do it. Oh, yeah. He could definitely do that. That would be insane. That'd be kind of funny. Honestly. Make a comeback just for that. Yeah.

Who could do that right now? Oh, I'm trying to think. Yeah, who would be really good? Who's big and who's little? Yeah, who's big in the middle. Like, Tune to like Caleb? That'd be cool. Caleb was,

Celelisty enough to do it. He would definitely. Sorry, Caleb. Jump into the game. All right. This game is really defined by the last play, of course. I know. But before that, we'll get into a little bit of the early part.

Trade field goals early on in this thing. Finally get a touchdown before the half. Byron Leftwich gets him on the board. Then Aaron Brooks comes down, ties it up. 10-10. Another score before half, it's 10. 17-10. Jags lead this thing at the half.

Second half, kind of the same trade field goals. New Orleans blocks. the field goal early in the fourth. Early, early, baby. And it was like on the 10 yard line. Yes, a little bit of foreshadowing. The game away.

Yes, foreshadowing that the kicking game was not going to be a sure thing by any means that day. New Orleans goes for it. Unsuccessful on a fourth down deep in the red zone late in the fourth quarter. Somehow get it back. Get it back, though. My man on the Jags punt game was terrible that game. And then show the last play.

Show the last play. That brings us seven seconds left. Their own 25 yard line. We'll set it up there. We'll show this last play here. This is the last play of the game. Aaron Brooks. Touchdown ties it.

Touchdown extra point. Tice Dahlward. Dante Starwood takes off two defenders, cuts back. Go, go. Where's he going with the ball? Oh, come on. Laterals hit.

84. Oh, man, what a moment. Wow. And the Saints are going to win the game? Well, extra point ties it. Go to overtime. I've got chills. the extra point ties it

and they're going to overtime to potentially go to the playoffs doink Finklin Einhorn Finkle is Einhorn And Einhorn is Finkl God that is

Did they assassinate that guy John Carney bro They should have Brutle He became a cop Brutel wow I wouldn't trust him with a gun He's going to miss everything

Well, that was the Finkle Einhorn. Oh, yeah. That's right. Sorry. Oh, man. Yeah, I couldn't do that scene now. I just watched that movie, like, literally four days ago. Got it.

It's still holds up. It's incredible. It's Jim Carrey. It's like his masterpiece. Is he not like the best movement comedian of all? Like, number one. It was like Jerry Lewis and then Jim Carrey. And that's it.

His face? Like, he could do anything. Where's he been lately? He kind of went cuckoo. Yeah, I thought so. I didn't know if that cooled down on on or what. Yeah. I think there's a threshold of how much money you make in that comedy world for you to just like, then you just don't do it anymore.

Yeah, like Eddie Murphy. He just was brilliant, one of the best of all time, and then just quit. Don't you kind of lose touch a little bit when you like reach that level of like stratosphere that it's hard to really connect with your audience? Maybe, maybe. But you know the funny is in there. Yeah. It's frustrating. We talked about the Fairley Brothers run earlier. That Jim Carrey run, man, that will never be replicated. Oh, my God. Unbelievable. Mask, Ace Ventura, dumb and dumber all in the same year. Banger, banger, banger. Wow.

Incredible. Man, all classics. Speaking of, I guess, dying or whatever we were talking about getting shot, Jim Haslett, the coach after this one said, he would bet his life on John Carney's right foot. And then after the game, he said, after saying that, I'd probably be dead right now. Which is pretty brutal.

Before this game earlier in the year, he said, I would bet my life on John Carney's right foot. After the game at the press conference, he said, Yep, I'd probably be dead right now. What's he doing these days? The kicker? Yeah. The kicker has a preseason kicking training camp in San Diego for professional kickers called

The Launching Pad. Well, who would go to that? That's crazy. Who, what? Has he had any good kickers? He's out of 20. He did win a two-year career. Yeah.

All right. Bounce back. Man, that's got to be painful. I can't. I bombed shows where I almost took my own life. I can't imagine that kick. But this is a regular season. Still.

Like if this was Finkle Einhorn in Super Bowl, wide right with Dan Marino, laces out, Dan, that's different. This is week 16. They were already out of the playoffs. We're trying to get into the playoffs. Since the Cowboys won that day, it did knock them out, regardless.

We got knocked out, but still. They didn't know that at the time. Brutal. Mark, you said you had some bad bombs. How do you recover from a bad bomb? I mean, I drink heavily, but you've got to sit with it, too. I feel you.

When you have a bomb like that, you have to absorb that pain because it motivates you to get back out there and do better. Only if you learn from it. Yeah, you got to learn from it. Because we all want to go, the crowd sucked, or that guy's a piece of shit. He heckled me.

It threw me off. It's all on you at the end of the day. So you got to take it in. Man, there's so many variables. You see how you talk about, you know, the guy heckled. How does it mess with your mental frame? Does it take you off beat a little? And then you got to get into the other jokes.

Yeah. There's so many, it's so fickle comedy. There's so many moving parts. And it just looks like a guy on stage, but it's really, there's a lot going on there. A lot. That's got to be probably, I mean,

you're a comic guy, comedian. That was a comedic way to lose a game. Completely, completely. Well, I always equated to a female orgasm. You know, like, you think you're going great, and then one horn honks and the whole thing's ruined. She's like, ah, I was right there. You moved to half an inch,

and you're like, I'm trying. I don't know what you're feeling. So that's, the crowd is the vagina. You're just trying to find the clit. And it ain't easy. You know. What in comedy is the equivalent of losing a game like this? Oh, man, that would be, you know what that would be?

Nah, I don't want to, this is going to sound mean, but Chris Rock did a live Netflix taping, which is suicide. I don't know why anybody would ever do that. He did a live one, and it was right after the Will Smith slap. He was going to talk about it. Oh, that's right. And we're like, oh, my God, not only is he going to talk about the Will thing, it's going to be live. This is epic.

And he flubbed it. He flubbed the Will Smith joke and he went, ah, fuck. And it was live. So it was out there forever. And that's kind of what that reminds me of. Like you had this big moment. We're all waiting to hear it. And it's live and you flubbed it.

If you could pull that, I don't know if you could find that. That's a great pool. Thank you. That's a great example. That was really good. Yeah, because if it wasn't live, you could just go, oh, we'll get on the next show. But it was live. One shot.

Well, that was a, that's a fun game. It was a fun game to study and go down and watch because this was like when I was in high school and and you know I was a real big fan and watching the whole mark burnell not play because of byron left which the young gun which was kind of essentially the any given Sunday bought it was just it was kind of fun to go down this game of course re-remember the devastation that some of these saints fans had to live with at to this point they'd never experienced anything good you think about it yeah they had the stuff coming their way with their heads.

That's what you all remember on NFL films. Of course. Of course. Them and the Buccaneers. Those brown bags, man. One of the beautiful things about sports, though, is like, I'm not the most knowledgeable guy, but I can watch those plays and highlights from old games all day. All day. It's so fun.

It still gets you all riled up, even though it's, you know, 20 years ago. I mean, you can make a joke out of what you saw with that big dude getting slapped in the face. Yeah, that's true. That's true. I mean, it's a little dated. But I have to show the video probably to give me. able to remember, but yeah. Now, can I ask a weirdly inappropriate

question maybe? And you can edit it out? I always wonder, like, what Lefwich, he doesn't play anymore? No. How does he pay the bills? Because that money's going to run out. What do you guys do? Like, you're a... Primemer and Lefwich is an offensive coordinator. Yeah. He coaches. Oh, he got into coaching. Okay. Is that the kind of the pipeline? Pipelines, coaching, entertainment. Broadcast. Broadcast or make enough money and live in an area where you grew up where it doesn't cost a lot of money. Oh, okay. Because you're, you know, it's in your blood to know how to make money.

These guys, I don't know how they figure it out. You've got like a six cents. They made a lot more money than me though. Oh, come on. Come on. I mean, you know, if you're smart with your money, you could be all right. All right. Well, we've seen the necklaces that are out there.

But it is interesting guys that don't do either of like the three to four main pipelines. You just never hear of them again. Exactly. Because there's 53 guys in this roster. Yeah. Maybe one or two are in media, you know. 10 more on practice squad. Yeah.

So there's not a ton of guys that are like making money off of football in the future. That's what I'm saying. And you worry about them. It's like fighters. What the hell of fighters do? Yeah. What do comics do when they're out? We try to like write for a sitcom.

We go behind the scenes. We're writing on the Tonight Show or something like that, punch up for movies. Byron Lefich went behind the scene. He went and coach the quarterbacks. I kind of think about the same thing with like, like, like washed up like old rappers. Like what's the day to day like? What is young Drood doing right now? You know what I mean?

Like what is? Yeah. Where they go, you know? Good pull. I don't know. I hope they get some mailbox money from some radio plays. I'm hoping so. Yeah.

I think that's all wrong. The Residgis. I think Napster killed that. Spotify killed that. Yeah. That was our time too. Napster and Bear's share. Yeah.

Hazzah or Kazah, whatever. Yeah. Morpheus. Yeah. Yeah. All right. Well, let let just put a, before we wrap up from this game. I just want to say this is peak Jags uniform. Teal, Jersey, black pants.

I remember that. I remember that one. That was fucking awesome. I like those combos way better than the kind of crap. They're kind of all right now. Yeah, they kind of way back now. They're a little bit better now.

They had the gradient sort of black and gold, which was no good. The Jags were though. The Blake Bortals era. Yeah. Yeah, 95. That is such an expansion color combo though. It is.

It is. That was the color combo they used to use in movies when they couldn't get licensing. Right, right. For like NFL teams. Yeah. Like the one in the morning, and the one,

it's pulled out the teal and everyone went crazy. Yeah. Any variation of the teal. The sharks. There was a lot of mighty ducks, a lot of teal. Remember starter jackets? Oh, my God. That was huge.

That was everything. Everything. I had a teal one because of the sharks, San Jose's sharks. Oh, damn. Hockey, huh? Yeah. Yeah, we had a Charlotte or a Hornets one. Cool.

And then they... And you get the Hornets. That's right. And we had the jazz, which makes sense. And they went to the white estate on the planet, which is so weird. Yeah. And then in basketball, they're like, well, they went to the... when they were doing like the bit at the beginning

about teams relocating like they were with the Utah where they don't allow jazz. Right, right. Same thing with the Lakers. There's no lakes here. In Nannapolis. Oh, yeah.

They came from Minnesota. I didn't know that. But there is a lake right up there. Yeah. Touluca Lake. Touluca Lake. There you go. Let's put a ball on this.

This grade this game. All right. You don't see a ton of football movies anymore, do you? That. We had any given Sunday and necessary roughness and all that stuff.

Go, just go on any streamer platform and just type in football movie, you'll see a million different kind of like direct to movie ones. Oh, there had been one that broke through though. Yeah. It had really been one that broke through.

Yeah. They used to be like main stream. Remember the Titans? Yes, yes. Longest yard. Even Little Giants was for it. I think we're due for Little Giants. Dude, the last one might have been the Kevin James one

where he played Sean Payton. Home team. Remember that? Home team and Taylor Lautner. Aren't they making a, uh, what's the guy's name? Madden. David O Russell, man.

Yeah. So let's jump in and let's grade this game. All right. So this one ended 20 to 19 Jaguars ended up winning this thing. They'd finish 5 and 11. New Orleans 8 and 8. Mark Brutel, he'd go on to sign with Washington in the offseason. This play would be the play of the year of the 2004 SB's and would be the last multilateral touchdown in an NFL game until 2018, the Miami Miracle. We did that one. That was on us. Who collects the trophy for play of the game?

I don't know. That's a weird one. Where does it go? Because like the Saints don't want that. I know. But then I think Topps also made, as you can see here, they made a very, very niche card for SB's play of the year trading card. You could buy insanely niche. I don't know how that one's going to. That's Dante.

That's Dahlworth. He's on the card. Yep. Oh, man. Dante's got long-ass dreads. Legend, bro. I remember when he was growing them. That's always awkward.

You know, there's the awkward sage with the dread. Exactly. Agrin James ears. Remember right? Oh, yeah. Had the little short dreads. Ricky Williams in his Texas era had the, Those are kind of cool, though.

Is it a cool look? Were you there in Ricky Williams? Yeah, I was there. He was fun because he was a weed guy. Yeah. And that was kind of new in football. He was a big podhead like meditation nerd. Especially in New Orleans.

Yeah, exactly. No one really got it, but it was a good player. Yeah. And Mike Dick had frosted tips. Oh, wow. That's hilarious. Oh, that was a wild error for him. And they did that wild ESP in the magazine cover.

He was an address? Yeah, like getting married. Yeah. Yeah. It's Ricky Williams and Mike Dick. Ricky Williams is in a wedding dress and Mike Dica is in a suit because he traded his whole draft

to like marry Ricky Williams I do remember that Dennis Rodman started that whole thing Yeah yeah there you go Oh better for worse Piss some Southerners off I'll play that Any hell's hard

All right let's grade the game Oh boy And we gotta say in 09 The Saints Would bring home their first Super Bowl Would bring the first Super Bowl Downtown What did they call it down there

Is it downtown? Yeah Downtown I did definitely. Business CBD? Central Business District. Yeah. But I watched that in Queens in New York with like five guys and we went crazy. What's the Super Bowl

spread for Mark? Oh, we got to have gumbo. We got to have hopefully a crawfish boil would be nice. A bunch of a beat a beer. That's a local beer. Nice. And yeah, some jubbleye or something. So Ridley, Stephen Ridley on my team, he went to LSU, won an adie there.

Mm-hmm. And like three times here, he'd have a dude. drive up from New Orleans with his little fucking trailer where they would make the crab bakes or the crawfish. Crawfish bakes. Yeah.

We sit there and you'd be eating that spicy food with the corn in there, potatoes. Yes, the sausage. You just get the big old plate and you've not, you gotta eat like a million of them to get. I know.

It's more of a pastime. You get a beer and just crack them open and hang out, but it's a... The only way you really get full is when you dip like the bread. Yeah. Right, right. Right?

Yeah, because it's like a mini lobster. You're getting this tiny little meat in there, but it's fun. All right, let's name the game. We know it as the River City Relay, but there are other names, and if you have a name you want to call it, we could do with that. There is also the missed extra point game, four guys, three laterals, or something else. Oh, yeah. I feel like the missed extra point game.

Someone really lost the creativity, Gene, on that one. Well, it is sports. That's true. Four guys, three lateral. We could try to find a way to go two girls, one cup on that. The answer should be the River City relay. This is a game with name that people know and talk about. Do your thing, but like people know it as the River City Relay.

I think of someone with kick because it was the kicker who fucked it all up. But it was the insane game or it was the insane play before. I don't know. I don't know. This is on you, though. You got to make the decision. Oh, shit. Okay.

Fuck me. We can also move past it. What do you call that? The, the, the, the, Google Post, Uprights, field goal. Maybe. Is there anything, Katrina?

How about Downs one point? Is the guy's a retard? He blew it, Downs one point. The Downs one point game. Yeah, yeah. I like it. The Downs One Point game. Score the game.

Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score. it. Decimals encouraged. Now we are going to grade the game. The stakes of this week 16 game for teams vying for maybe the last playoff spot. The stake zero to ten decimals encouraged.

Quick reminder, we've done World Cup Championship finals, we've done World Series games, we've done Super Bowls. Wait, what was the guy who kicked it? John Carney. Carney, okay. I'm going to play with that too. We'll come back to it. Now, wait, what are we doing?

Out of 10? The stakes of this game, zero to 10. Oh, well, we were already out of the playoffs, right? Or was that going to get us in? That could have got you in. Then I'd say the stakes are high.

So are we doing to 10? 10 decimals encouraged. I would go to 8.7. 8.7. I like that. Shout out. I'm going to go with the 6.9. Also shout out groan.

Shout out. I mean, there was a 6.3. We're in the same ballpark. I had a 4.1. Oh, geez. There's not a lot going on with this. All right. The star power of this game.

There were some legendary players. Stalworth. Stallworth. Brunel was on his way out. Aaron Brooks. Freddie T. Byron. Leftwich.

Freddie T. Taylor has like a lot of Eurasian yards. He should be in the hall. They're a lot of like being the most hall of end guys. He should be. Yeah. Jack Del Rio. Yeah.

Star powers. 10. You got to grade it. I'm going to go 6.9. Nice. Oh, 6.9. I'm going to go 7.1. Okay.

We're close. See, I had a 5.9. I had a 4.9. There's not a lot of it. Those Aaron Brooks, jerseys were everywhere. That's a good point. Game play of this game, 0 to 10 decimals encouraged. The gameplay, like, was it back and forth? Was it exciting?

Yeah. I mean, just that bobble they had towards that touchdown was insane. So I'm going, I'm going 8.4. Honestly, that's, we're this, how long, how old is this game? 23 years? 23 years and we're still talking about it because of that one play. It has a name. Doing a lot of heavy lifting there.

I think it's an, I think that's, 8, 4. I'm going to go 84 too. I get, Randy Moss. I got a 7.9. I had a 7.5. There we go. We're all in there. And now we got to grade the name of the game.

Ooh. And the name of the game, the downs one point game. Well, I'm not too proud of that, so I'll give it like a 2.8. I can think of something better, but I'm on the spot here. at least a 6.1. Be doing. All right. I appreciate it. I had an 8.9.

But I don't... I don't score the game. I score like the cultural impact. Like we're talking about it 23 years later. Sure. Like, this game has a game. It's a regular season game, you know. Right.

Yeah. All right. What is that? All right, put us in the score. See, people shit on, like, fantasy football and stats. This is a great thing for guys to do. We could be looking at, you know, kitty porn.

This is a beautiful thing. 6.8. What does that land on all of our games that we've done? It's our new 97th game. It's just behind the 2013. Wow, this is a great move you got here. Patriots Bengals game. We just did last week with Pac-Man Jones.

And just ahead of 2018 Stanley Cup final game 5, Game 5, Capital versus Nice. He gets no respect. No love. It's a finals game. They won a Stanley Cup that game. Right. Yeah. We made the top hundred.

Yeah. This is our top list. Wow. What's number one? Well, that feels a little biased with your team. Come on. So much bias here. But Jules, to be fair, he's not the bias when it's Jack. All right. Guilty is charged. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Super Blood Wolf Moon. Whoa. That sounds like a Native American. I think it was.

Damn. Yeah. And that's it. Mark, we miss anything? No, I'm going to text you in an hour Probably going, oh, this is the better name. So that's about it. But now this is great, and thanks for holding my hand to this thing. Last question, we always ask,

are people. What does comedy mean to you? Oh, geez. It's my whole life. No, no, it's my livelihood. It's my favorite thing, and I'm just lucky I get to do it. So I think it brings levity. Comedy's hotter now than it has been.

ever. Everybody's doing arenas and all this stuff. You used to have like one guy doing arena, dice clay or Steve Martin or Dane Cook. Now it's like eight guys we know. Nate, Bert, Segura, Shane. So comedy, it's important and these people try to

get mad at it and take it away. Please kill yourself and let us have our fun. Stop ruining fun. So yeah, that's what comedy means to me. It's a relief. It's cope. And we enjoy comedy.

Because of people like you because it's a good way to have fun. Yeah. And laugh at the things that we all struggle with sometimes or whatever. It just gives that comedic relief. It's a crazy time. I mean, I got to get my kid. He's at a Somali daycare right now. You know, we need a chuckle.

And everyone go check out his podcasts. He's got We Might Be Drunk with Sam Marell Tuesdays with Stories. Yep. Go check them out at Mark Norman.comedy. Mark Normancom. He also has that great whiskey that we always love here in the Nut House. Thank you. Bodega Cat Whiskey. Always tastes good. Always hits smooth. It's sound like hockey. We're at the store. We're at the improv. We're at the laugh act. We're cooking. We are cooking. Appreciate you coming on, Kevin.

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