Games with Names - “Miracle in Morgantown” with Michael Vick | 1999 Battle for the Black Diamond Trophy: Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia

Episode Date: September 20, 2022

On today’s episode, we gobble excitedly with the 1999 edition of Virginia Tech vs. West Virginia: The Battle for the Black Diamond Trophy aka “The Miracle in Morgantown.” Sam & Jules look back at what was going on in November 1999 (3:15). We dive into this game and check out both teams (13:33). The Hokie legend himself, Michael Vick, joins the show to talk about the win that kept their National Title hopes alive (20:04). The guys wrap up with legacy and scoring the game (55:23).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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6th of November, 1999. Mountaineer Field, Morgantown, West Virginia. Trailing 2019 with under a minute to go in the fourth quarter, Michael Vick took his Hokies 58 yards and seven plays to set Shane Graham up for the game winner. This is the miracle in Morgantown. Hello, and welcome to Games with Names, presented by WinBet. I'm Julian Edelman.

I'm Sam Morrell. We're here searching for the greatest games of all time. All time in today's episode, Great Game Virginia Tech versus the West Virginia Mountaineers. November 6, 1999, for the Battle of the Black Diamond Trophy And our guest Michael Vick First thoughts I mean, just Michael Vick being fast as hell

Elusive, quick Incredible My first thought is He stepped up in the pocket like a pocket passer when you watch these games. Like, he get that long drop back, step up, let that DN get up there, and keep his eyes downfield. I mean, everyone always has this notion and this thought concept

that freaking Michael Vick is a guy that used to just take off and run but he was slinging that thing people forget how strong of arm he had oh yeah i mean that no question and also you're watching this kid and you're like this he doesn't know he's about to be an icon absolute icon we were doing our little research we were watching the nike commercials he's in you're watching the madden covers he's in you're seeing all the magazines he's on i mean he was an absolute icon like you said yeah yeah yeah i mean i i think of madden i think of the video games i think like everywhere the commercials everything you know what i think of i think of the sideburns it was the first time people used to thin out

their sideburns and I used to go to my guy and I'd be like, yo, can you give me the Michael Vick sideburns and give them a little thin, you know what I'm talking about? Remember when they used to thin them out a little and it'd be like a little V? It's like, hey, can I get the Michael Vick sideburns? Guy looked at me like, yeah, all right dude,

we'll give you those. As long as you stopped at the sideburns and didn't get the braidsids the braids i mean that was insane too he always had the cornrows oh yeah that was like him and iverson both from the seven cities both from the seven cities both elusive quick as hell and huge huge as icons. Yeah. It's pretty crazy that four years, because I think Michael Vick. We got to get Iverson on here. I want Iverson on here for the stepover game, game one against the Lakers. They lost the series, but that was iconic.

We could probably get him, actually. And let's get Ty Lue on with him, the guy he steps over. Come on, that'd be fun as hell. It'd be very fun but you know what else is fun what going over november 6th in 1999 on this day in america the bone collector was the number one movie was that with uh morgan freeman no it's denzel denzel yeah denzel washington i remember that. Young Angelina Jolie. Young Angelina. Smoking hot. Denzel, he plays, I think, a...

A detective. Yeah, but he's bedridden. He has to use his mind to find the murderer. A quadriplegic ex-homicide detective and his partner try to track down a serial killer terrorizing New York. That's a bummer. That's a tough way to live, you know.

That's when you look at yourself and you think you had a hard day and you say, man, it ain't that hard. Yeah, it's really not. It really isn't. Also, number one song, Smooth by Santana. Was that with Matchbox? Yeah, Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas. Yeah, Rob Thomas. Rob Thomas.

Yeah, that's a great tune. Cool lyrics. This life ain't good enough, right? I actually sat next to him at a party, at the Clive Davis party once, him and his wife. Had an absolute great time. Wonderful people. Yeah, Santana's a legend he uh I mean this

song is literally like the woman in this song he's talking about sounds unpleasant I don't remember the lyrics pull up the lyrics it's something like uh this life is I'd give up my something look it up because I'm gonna butcher it but it's like, yeah, zoom in a little bigger. A little bigger. And you said, this life ain't good enough. I would give my world to lift you up. I could change my life to better suit your mood. Who is this woman you're with? She sounds like a nightmare.

That's a high maintenance. That's high maintenance in the high maintenance category where maybe you got to move on. You got to move on or you got to write a banger. I think he won all kinds of awards for this album. So who wrote it? Was it Santana or was it Rob Thomas? That's a good question. Let's look that up.

I'm sure it's Santana. If it's by Santana, that means it was a- It's got to be. They're giving Santana the writing credit Looks like Rob Thomas is getting featured artist Thank you Jack Once again coming up The ridiculous trends Pokemon cards

I never collected them I was more of a Pogs kid Pogs had a minute What was that like second grade for you Yeah I think so Second, third, fourth Pogs Kid. Pogs had a minute. What was that, like second grade for you? Yeah, I think so. Second, third, fourth. Yeah, Pogs with the slammer.

Yeah, the slammer. I remember that briefly for sure. I never did that. Tech Decks? I don't know what that is even. That's the little skateboard where you'd have with your fingers and you'd try to do an ollie. Never tried it. I remember seeing these. I remember vividly.

Like, I had friends that could do, like, kickflips and stuff. It just showed that my finger dexterity was not there to do even kickflips on a tech deck. You figured it out. I've seen all the dates you've been on. You figured out that finger dexterity. Hey, speaking of Mambo No. 5, Lubega, this song was literally just about a guy who fucks a lot.

He was just naming women. It was a good song. Great song, but it's literally like, how do you meet a woman after this and be like, yes, I'm a one-woman man? What's that song in the background? That's crazy that this was that long ago i know i remember that song was on the radio like crazy everywhere those one hit bands some of them like is it fair to call him a one hit guy i mean in music not in the romance department clearly but uh i mean remember bands like uh how bizarre how bizarre how bizarre or what about macarena

that was a phenom that was the least enthusiastic macarena of all time. Well, it reminded me, remember when Austin Powers did it? He's like... That was... Talking about classics. I missed that. Fight Club premiered November 11th this year. Amazing movie.

We've already like probably... Haven't we referenced that like 20 times in our podcast? I mean, it's hard not to reference our age. I remember watching that a bootleg on a bootleg vhs while my seventh grade friend was smoking a cigarette uh trying to be cool like helena bonham carter as she smoked the cigarette in that movie yeah brad pitt was shredded ed norton was the man like i didn't get it until i turned like at least 16 yeah i didn't get it i didn't understand that that was they were i didn't get it until I turned, like, at least 16. Yeah. I didn't get it. I didn't understand that that was, they were, I didn't understand it.

Yeah. So did they actually fight? I'm still confused. I have no idea. It looked cool. David Fincher's a great director. And I like soap, homemade soaps. And that's what they did.

Remember, they would steal homemade soap material. And it was the explosives, right? Yeah, it was explosives. And also, I mean, that Pixie song at the end stylish as hell badass movie i i think i heard it was either ed norton or brad pitt in the podcast say they turned to each other at the premiere not knowing what they were walking into and as the credits rolled they were like that's the coolest movie i've ever been in that's gotta be that's gotta feel pretty cool. That's got to be insane. I mean, that was like a phenom type movie for our childhood. Like everyone knew Fight Club.

That was when Brad Pitt was the coolest dude ever. He was in like every movie. Edward Norton was fucking the same thing. And to have those two collab and make this like really just cool edgy type movie it was something that was that was fun freaks and geeks that was a great show apatow wait wait who was it linda carlini yes well done linda carlini we're pop culture fucking legends right now dude look at us only reason i know linda carlini i i wouldn't i i kind of because she was she's from my hometown.

Ooh. And so there's like a mix of circles where I think she knew one of my, I think she was like related to my dad's, my mom's like ex-boyfriend in high school. And I remember my mom and dad getting in a fight and I don't know something about that. I don't know. Maybe too much information. Who wants to be a millionaire? But by the way, one more thing about Linda Cardellini. I believe, I could be wrong here, Jack.

You might need to fact check this, but I believe Jason Segel getting dumped by her led him to write Forgetting Sarah Marshall. We're going to need a fact check on that, but we talk about bad things leading to good things a lot in this podcast. And Rob Belitov. You know.

Who wants to be a millionaire? Regis.i.p r.i.p legend love regis can you call a friend yeah that was big 50 50 i used to love that can i get it can i get a lifeline it's huge and then they tried to like kind of go further with the weakest link and i was like all right remember you are the weakest link goodbye and you're like it's let's get out of here you're the weakest link regis was he was the man r.i.p regis this is also r.i.p to walter payton who died at 45 unbelievable that was terrible yeah it was a cancer he had i think it was some kind of weird cancer yeah you know he was that's sad to see he he always had one of those electric like room glaring smiles that everyone was just contagious to and he was just a fucking beast on the football field uh sports world wayne the great gretzky is that is that right kyler like it was can i say it

like that but uh he went into the Hall of Fame. Tiger Woods wins his fourth straight PGA Tour event. This is a cool time. Tiger on top of the golf world. I mean, like, was Tiger out pooning yet, or do you think he was still a golf-focused dude right now? I think this could have been mid-hayday of that. Really?

Yeah, I mean, 1999, when did he get his first win? Like, 96, 97? So he's, you know, Stanford kid. Yeah, can you imagine how good it felt after just playing golf for, like, 17 years straight? He's like, oh, my God, vagina? This is way better than golf. Clear the old fairway.

I'm bringing out the 7-iron. That's what he was saying a lot, I bet. Not to mention, like, it's got to be, like, when those Amish kids come to like new york city and if they're a rumspringer that must have been what just getting laid constantly felt like for tiger he was like this was not happening at stanford with the big glasses but now i'm crushing tours winning you know major events this is this is i've arrived he was crushing a whole lot of things at that time of his life. And what were we thinking about at this time, Sam?

What were you doing? 1999. I was 13. I was a kid. I mean, what was I doing? I was probably playing JV basketball and smoking weed. That was probably my life. I mean, how about you?

Yeah, I don't, I was like, what? I was 13 too. Yeah. I was just playing sports, being a kid, running around, being a knucklehead. Having my mom yell at me. Having my dad chase me with a belt every once in a while. You know, just. My mom would do a lot of the, you know, when I'd be in trouble yelling,

there's some nights we're proud of you, tonight wasn't one of them. Or I'd get a lot of my mom going, Samuel? That's how I know I'm in trouble. When she goes, Samuel? No one calls you Samuel when things are good. No one's like, fuck me, Samuel. You know, you're getting scolded. Depends.

Yeah. Depends on what fetishes people. Some people like that, you know, maybe the full front name. Some women have a full name fetish. You never know. I tell you right now, when i used to hear julian francis i used to just get terrified julian francis gonna go the other way yeah oh my god julian francis i'm not gonna say i haven't heard it i'm just joking i'm just joking let's get into these goddamn teams, Sam.

Get your fucking mind out of the gutter. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm dragging this down. 1999 Virginia Tech Hokies. Yeah. 11-1. Went into the national championship 11-0.

Coached by the Frank Beamer and Beamer Ball. Beamer Ball. 7-0 entering this game. This was a big rivalry game for the Black Diamond Trophy. Played in the Big East. Had some crazy notable wins. I think 16 against Syracuse, 22 against BC to have the undefeated season. Going into the natty.

And then they lost the national championship to old Chris Winky who bounced back as a 28-year-old. Which I've never been a fan of which I've never been a fan of. I've never been a fan of that. You want to know why? Because there was a guy when I went to Kent State University, he was like 28 years old. He was a starting quarterback at the time. I won't leave him no names.

I won't give him no names. But you can look it up. And he just kind of like punked me. I was like 19 years old in a new part of the country, California kid in Ohio. And this guy was just a complete asshole i i didn't i didn't like it and you're like dude you're an adult literally you're like he's like the mcconaughey in days and confused trying to punk you 100 literally just tried to use those older antics on you you know he i wonder what he's doing now though dude

selling insurance probably i bet he's not a, though, dude. Selling insurance, probably. I bet he's not a three-time Super Bowl champion with the New England Patriots. Nah, he's actually a smart guy. He's probably doing pretty well. I think he's married, and I wish him nothing but the best. I thought we were trashing him. Why'd you bring it around like that? What the hell?

I went full-on trash mode for you. Now I look like the asshole. Nah, I was the asshole at the time. We were all young, dumb, and full of cum. It's one of those things where you learn a lot in this podcast. As you guys will see, when we interviewed Ricky Williams, some guy banged his girlfriend, the starting quarterback, and he had nothing but great things to say about him.

Applewood. Applewood. Applewhite, sorry. We still can't get his name right applewood sounds better so beamer ball which was a huge term for the virginia tech hokies of this generation which they played unbelievable defense special teams scoring and that's what he was always known for they blocked kicks left and right. Their starters played special teams, and the special teams were ran by the head coach. So that was the whole Beamer ball.

What about these 1999 West Virginia Mountaineers? Four and seven, nothing super impressive. Coached by Don Nealon. Played in the Big East. Three and five entering the game of course you know the name Mark Bolger they had Jerry Porter down year for the Mountaineers

it was the second to last season of the Don Nealon era and they were coming off three straight bowl seasons so things we remember I mean Michael Vick bowled out that year Michael Vick

I mean he rushed for over 619 TDs, passed for over 2,013 TDs, and he was a redshirt freshman. Like, that's great. That's pretty insane to have that from, like, a young football player who didn't even play the year before, who said he got banged up in the middle of the year, didn't have an ankle, his ankle was all hurt. He rushed for over 600 yards with nine touchdowns,

passed for 2,000 yards with 13 touchdowns, all as a redshirt freshman. That's impressive for a 19-year-old to come in, first time he's played at a Division I level, and lead his team to a natty. Yeah. A nasty, nasty natty. Third in Heisman voting.

Ron Dane won that year. Ron Dane. Ron, former Giant. Ugh. Ugh. Thunder and lightning. Hey, I mean, Tiki had a few great years with the Giants. He did.

Tiki, they're good football players. Good team. It just hits my heart a little bit, you know? Could have had four Super Bowls. It hurts, but it feels good for me. But Tiki wasn't on that team that beat you. Well, he wasn't on either of the team. He left the year before.

He did, didn't he? Tiki didn't get the ring. It was like, you know, Mattingly for the Yankees, one year too soon. Ooh, that's got to hurt. Because he was a big part of that giants franchise he was a beast oh my god tiki barber was like he could he could catch it he could rush he was there were years when he was fumbly but once tom coughlin came in he fixed that high and tight keep all three points covered gotta keep three points covered yeah ball security is three points covered. Yeah.

Ball security is job security. Absolutely. Ball security is job security. Things we may have forgotten, this game kept VT's national title hopes alive. It was a rivalry game. Yes, it was a shitty 3-5 West Virginia team, but when you play in these rivalry games, record doesn't matter. Where you play doesn't matter.

The time doesn't matter. All that matters is the guys in between the line trying to fight for the black diamond trophy, and that's what we got. First half by Vic wasn't very good. No. And Mark Bolger didn't even play in the second half. He left the game. Mark Bolger didn't even play in the second half. He left the game. Mark Bolger.

Mark Bolger took over for old Kurt Warner. That's right. Mark Bolger, Kurt Warner, Kurt Warner. And then Kurt Warner was still good. They fucked up. I mean, that was the downfall the rams until as a recent yeah now for the gaming corner presented by win bet so what do we do for the prop bet this time we got michael vick we got michael vick but we also have beamer how many

times can we say beamer ball that's the culture right i mean when you think of virginia tech there's two things you think of michael vick and beamer ball we have michael vick now let's get beamer ball how many can we hit five five and a half is that good it's gonna be tough but i think we could hit six yeah it's gonna be it's gonna be a tough one let's try it let's give it a shot let's try it all right we're gonna hear from michael vick mike vick michael vick whatever he wants to be called but until then let's take a quick break and we're joined here on games with names presented by win bet by a fucking legend an absolute legend thanks for having me man we got newport virginia newport is it newport news

or is it newport newport news is that is that part of the seven cities yeah that's part of the seven cities i know the seven cities we'll get into that number one overall pick he was the actual video game player that everyone hated playing against if your boy picked him and madden you're like fuck you you're cheating what the fuck is this you played with it like play with a pocket quarterback this dude's gonna you go you hit turbo it was over that was me i wanted a pocket quarterback the thing is we'll get into that we'll get into that but let me just give you your kudos because you're such a fucking stud i mean mean, he took the world over. He was like an icon, still is.

And we're about to break down. And then reinvented himself with the Eagles as more of a pocket quarterback. Yeah, he was pocket there too. We'll get into that. Shout out to Andy Reid for that. No doubt. Without a doubt. But thank you,

Mike, for joining us here on Games with Names, presented by Win Bet. We're going to be going over that infamous West Virginia, Virginia Tech game that you played your senior year on that crazy year. Or fucking not senior year, your redshirt freshman year. Yeah, redshirt freshman, yeah. I know.

I'm tripping. I'm tripping. Yeah. You see a redshirt freshman here. Yeah, redshirt freshman. Yeah. I know. I'm tripping. I'm tripping. Yeah. You see what I got on here, dude? What you got on right there? It's red. Oh, yeah, yeah. You see, Grave Minds, Think Alike.

You already know. What's up, baby? I said Mike Vick's coming on here. I'm going to wear some VT shit. Yeah. I'm going to wear some VT shit. Absolutely. See, I got mines on. I just threw mine on that i just felt like

it went with the fit it has to we're about to talk about it this is this is this is the the founding this is the foundation of mike vick when he played at vt like you said being a pocket passer like people don't realize when they think of michael vick oh he's a running court no you see him in the early stages even back here he would get these deep ass drops he'd keep his eyes downfield he would step up and you see with a lot of young quarterbacks what do they do they want to get up and take off not mike mike would flip his hips and he'd use that left arm and sling that thing 80 yards downfield 45 yards yards downfield, 35 yards on a crosser over a guy's hand. And he was just an absolute stud.

Thank you for joining us, my dude. No doubt, man. I appreciate the kind of words. Everything I did in those moments, I did it for all my teammates. That's what I say. Like, the sacrifice, you know, especially being in college, in college very young you know all you think about you don't think about playing in the pros you think about next level just be think about winning there on that day you're number one overall pick though you weren't you weren't thinking like I'm

gonna be a pro nah you know what going into my second year I started with feel that way but my primary focus was solely on winning um there were so many things in front of me, hurdles and obstacles. You got to win 10 games to become a Heisman Trophy candidate. So honestly, I want to be a Heisman Trophy candidate. I want to win it. So my focus, you know, it was always levels to it. I'd focus on winning a game, focus on winning a Heisman. It was always something to prose.

I just knew that was a job and I been it was always something the pros i just knew that was a job and i knew it was a hard job so i had to make sure i was fully prepared for i stepped into that room it's crazy well people don't realize i was a running quarterback in college or a dual threat quarterback and like the scouting report if you were a good ass dual threat quarterback is you got vic like tendencies and like that was like the standard if you you were a kid that could throw and run and they said you were a vic type like you were over here it was crazy and when i went to kent state in ohio i wasn't good enough to play in these big schools like like you did. But the sheer fact that we played Virginia Tech

on the schedule is the reason why I committed to the school because that's where you went and I was such a crazy fan. That's pretty dope. It was awesome. Now, why'd you pick Virginia Tech? I don't know.

Honestly, I'd say everybody that when people ask me, why did you pick Virginia Tech? I don't know. Honestly, I tell everybody that when people ask me, why did you pick Virginia Tech? Because I grew up watching big-time college football every Saturday, and I've seen the Clipsies, and I've seen the Notre Dames, and the North Carolinas, and UFCs, and that's where my eyes was locked in on those schools. And somehow, some way, Virginia Tech came in, they had

the right people, Coach Beamer spoke the right language. He really locked arms with my mom. Him and my mom became besties. And when I see that, I was like, all right, cool. He went to her or he went to me or... It's like a relationship. You got to make the mom happy.

It's a relationship, yeah. I mean, I see like Mr. My mom with a lot of respect, you know, shout out to him. And I was like, you know, if you do the same for me, I'll probably land on my feet. Whether I make it next level or at least I get a degree, give me an opportunity. So, you know, I just trusted him. It was more about trust than anything. And I think that's big in the recruiting process, about trusting the people who sit down with your parents

and making sure you leave no stones unturned. He did that. Yeah, definitely. You redshirt your freshman year. You redshirt freshman year. You come out. This is 1999 season. You guys start triculating these wins.

You guys start compounding these great games all of a sudden you know virginia tech was always a good program but then all of a sudden you started hearing these natty vibes and you come in you play a west virginia team that's not really anything special but once again if you people that play in rivalry games it doesn't matter what records you guys have. So when you come into this game, are you like, we're going to blow these fools out? Or what was going through the mind?

Every game to me was so intense. I always felt like my preparation had to supersede anything. Okay, I can go out there and I can get stopped. I can take off and try to run for a 10-yard gain and get tackled for a gain, et cetera. But if I'm mentally shocked and I'm feeling good, I know and relying on my instincts that

I can really progress the team down the field and pass the game. So I started looking at it as the opposite. Like, if I can pass the ball just as good as I can run it, we'll move the ball down the field a lot quicker. So I put a lot of pressure on myself to just

really be great in every moment. But it started with my prep. I felt like if I came out of the field room and went into the game knowing exactly what they was going to do, okay, you'll trick me here and there, you'll get me a couple of times, you know, that's the game.

If I can persevere and I can overcome like 85% of that, we've been the game. And like I led the nation in passing efficiency. Like I just tried to put a lot of time into my preparation. Julian, you know what that's about. Preparation, that's a word that, hey man, that's a cornerstone of your success and all the people around you, for sure.

Preparation creates confidence. That's where you get your confidence from is through the practice reps, the preparation. I mean, even for the both of y'all, just to make this show great, it's got to be prep. Thanks for throwing me in there, Mike. I don't know if I belong, but I'll take it. I don't forget about you, baby.

Oh, thank you, man. I mean, first off, USC is kicking themselves for not being nicer to their mom, to your mom right now. USC, if you're listening, be nice to moms. You might get some pretty damn good recruits. They a good hand.

Let's say that. How much of a rivalry was West Virginia and Virginia Tech in these days? It was a big rivalry. It was a scary rivalry to a point where I heard so many stories about going into Morgantown and it was a myth, it was a saying that they'll flip your bus. So I'm like, man, do I go in here and try to win this thing

or do I go in here and try to just keep making a competitive game and I don't want to get our bus tipped in the end. They said they're acting like you can't make it out of Morgantown if you win but that was part of the competition man like it was a rough crowd very intense

and if I can recall like I kind of struggled in that West Virginia game things didn't really click if you go back and probably look at the numbers they was probably like very, you know, on par, like just with a better, you know, average day. But we found a way to win. We had a late game drive, game winning drive,

and a game winning field goal. So that says a lot about just how competitive the game was. But man, them dudes, they had a good team, really good team. Yeah, I mean, if you look at it, it was a battle throughout the game was. But, man, them dudes, they had a good team, really good team. Yeah, I mean, if you look at it, it was a battle throughout the whole game. I mean, you guys picked up a couple chunk plays when you hit up in that play action, hit the crossers. You had a couple of big-time runs. But it wasn't until you felt that.

Yeah, snickered right down the sideline. Yeah. Well, that was on that last drive. Right. Let's get to that. West Virginia, they go, they score. Mark Bolger's in the game in the first half. He gets hurt.

They bring in some kid no one knows. He comes out, has some hero-type performance, gets them the lead with a minute and what? Was it a minute and three? They left just enough time on the clock for, yeah. They give you a minute. Now, when you have that ball in your hands With a minute to go

Everything's on the line Natty Potential natty Appearance You know All the bullshit of playing against a team That's not as good as you guys Like

When you're in that huddle Cause I've seen the eyes of a fucking quarterback That is gonna lead us down the field What are you telling these guys in the huddle because I've seen the eyes of the fucking quarterback that is going to lead us down the field. What are you telling these guys in the huddle? Like, this is college, so it's completely different. Hey, you know what's so cool? And I'll ask you a question for sure. I was playing that game with a heavy heart.

Like, you know, when you were in college, you're kind of homesick. You're away. It's my second year. I'm on the grind. We like 8-0. Now we find ourselves in this very unfamiliar situation with the team that we had. Everything was always

blowout leads, big leads. And now we find ourselves in a position where we got to fight to come back and we got to earn it. We really got to go get it. And I remember my grandmother was real sick. Had to call my mom. So I remember that grandmother was real sick, had to call my mom.

So I remember that last drive, just walking into the huddle, like, you know, I want to be able to tell her how great this moment was one day. Like, I thought about you in this moment. You know, I know you wasn't feeling well and then I went in and like over-performed in that drive and thank God we had a great kid who'd sell out the same brand.

He'd nailed the kid. But, you know, I just, you know, I always told my grandmother when I was young that I wanted to play next level in the NFL. And I knew that was one of those moments. Like if I rise to the top in this moment and I don't make mistakes and I do it right, then at some point they're going to take it to consideration. This young man understands the game.

He got poised and, you know, his heart was into it in that moment. And that equates to a high draft pitch. So, you know, when I walked into that 100 with Satan Fellas, it was like, we all got a chance to make history. We all got a chance to be a part of something great right now. Like, don't it feel good to have the opportunity and,

you know, that's what it's about. It's about having that opportunity, though, to get there. And that's what big-time players

in big-time situations do for their team. I love the background, yo. We got to get you on here. You got to send us something. Yeah, man, let's send you something

for the wall. Please, please. You got to send us something for the wall. How was that Espy's party you two were at together crazy yeah it was it was in new york it was during that super bowl i think i was doing the super bowl it's just chipriani's yeah it's a bunch of good-looking people in the building you know that's all good great you too yeah it was fun it was it was fun it was the first time i got to meet mike and and you know he like i said mike's a legend and to see how nice and like humble and you know it was like when you get to meet your heroes it's usually don't you don't have that

like lasting picture in your mind like oh yeah that's my hero they always tell you you don't have that lasting picture in your mind, like, oh, yeah, that's my hero. They always tell you you shouldn't meet your heroes, and it was cool to meet Mike and see how just humbling and cool he was. He had this just coolness about him, like he has right now, you know, just got that cool smile, give you that look. What's up, man? You know what I mean? It was just cool. I always thought Kyle was cool from the start.

I always thought you and the whole crew, your whole New England crew. Y'all did it big, bro. You got to get into that, too. We can. You play with Shane Graham. He lines up. You think he's automatic because I played with Shane Graham for a year. Were you guys like, all right, we got this. Shane Graham's

got this. Nothing like having a reliable kicker, I tell you that. I watched like really not missing practice and i paid attention because i feel like you know the kicker is a weapon it's really a weapon think about it you get a good one now you cross that 50 you get that inch and then almost guarantee three points so the end of the day add up you always got having a swaggy kicker is always it's always interesting because you know a lot of times the kickers get left behind in the locker room there's a lot of guys that are assholes

you know what i mean to have a swaggy kicker that could take the shit and like dish it also that always makes it a little better i always remember the payden manning thing where he's like you're a kicker remember that guy vanderjack remember that yeah that? Oh, he went in. Yeah. You know what? Go ahead, go ahead. Vanderjack had his day, though. He had his time. Huh? Vanderjack, he had his time.

He had a decent trip. But he forgot that he's still a kicker. Like, you still got to know your place. You got to know your place. Like, hey, I got nothing but respect for kickers. I've had Steve Gaskowski. He's kicked us into game-winning kicks and led us into you know super bowls and but you know it's still you still gotta know your place you're not on the field 100 plays a game well mike you were a part of so many

cool teams what where does this stack up compared to you know falcons e, like all these cool teams you're on. Where do you place this? Well, I mean, you always think about the locker room like when you live in it, it's really cool, but when you move on and you think back to everybody, the character that was in the locker room, I'd never take a locker room,

especially, man. A lot of those guys I'm friends with to this day, just like a lot of guys I play with in the NFL. But, you know, they all was special in their own way. And I don't know, Julie,

you had a chance to experience another locker room. But, you know, when you walk in, it's just, it's just totally different room. It's a different group of people, different personalities. And it was always, whether I was with the Jets, the Steelers,

man, it was just always love. Philadelphia, Atlanta, we had a good time, man. And I still love those guys dearly to this day. Now, do you get fired up when you hear the song Sandman? Nah, I be hating it. I just remember... You didn't have the Sandman when I was there. It wasn't there.

I was coolness when I'm... It's because you made the cool. You set the foundation for the cool. Yeah, that's the... I love my honor model. You see me representing right now. When I hear Sam, man, I'm like, I couldn't live that moment. I couldn't get a piece of that moment.

You can't have everything. You can't. You can't have everything. You got to talk to us about Beamer Ball. How's old coach Beamer playing for him? I always had so much respect for him. You know, he special teams guy, defense guy, and then you get to throw a mike vick on your team

that's almost that's like ridiculous that's why you guys went to the natty you know i was more so proud of the coach because i mean i looked at like the 15 years prior and he was always every year just itching closer and closer so having a chance to compete for a national championship it's hard to get there you know in any sport. We all know it's just so competitive that every game counts, every moment counts. I think Coach up until

that season have really made every year count and was well calculated, especially when it came to improving. He was able to get me there and get a bunch of good players around me and we kind of came together with players. It was a good mix of us, guys from Florida,

guys from Pennsylvania, a couple of guys from Georgia. It was just a good East Coast mix. And, you know, we was able to, you know, take it one game at a time and coach stayed in his lane. He was special teams. He was defensive to a tee. Boy, Foster had that locked up. So Colts didn't have to do anything, really,

other than hold his special teams down and really just be a great leader of men, young men. And he did that to the best of his ability. And he came with a core little group of guys who, like like respected him in the program enough to just you know keep our heads into the game of football and you see the butterfly effect of having michael vick come to your school as he just said you know 15 years prior with with beam they were they were trickling getting better year and year. But then you look at 2004 to 2011, Virginia Tech has eight straight 10-plus winning seasons.

I mean, who's that? That's just straight correlation to having Michael Vick come to your school, ball out, be an icon. What was it like being an icon at such a young age? Having your own shoes. I had your fucking shoes. I used to have your fucking jersey. The headband with the seven. Cover of Madden.

I'm all ready for it. I'm all ready for it. It was just a lot, man. Being a kid from Newport knows and just did an experience a lot in the world other than what I was accustomed to growing up in the neighborhood that I grew up in.

I'm a good football player to everybody in my hometown. And, you know, I get put on the national stage and get some coaches who understood me and how to make me great. And they did that. And all of a sudden I'm the first round pick. And, you know, I got all these accolades and I'm ready to face a franchise. And, you know, you just don't really know what that means at the age of 22. I can tell you this, if my son was to be put in that position, he'll be ready for it and equipped for it. And he's going to maximize it. He's going to, you know, try to transcend it to be a generational type of talent. And, you know, all the fruits of the labor that come along with it.

So I was really young, but to look back and see that there were so many people that believed in me. I think they deserve a lot of credit. I just tried to enjoy every moment of it and soak it all in, but I really wasn't ready for

the media that came along with it. I wasn't ready for the attention that came along with it, autographs. It got to a point where I was like, I just want to just play ball, man. What was the peak of that? People hitting you up. I'm sure a ton of celebrities are hitting you up.

Every corporate company calling. You don't realize how blessed you are until years later you look back on it. Still blessed to this day. I don't take anything away, but it was overwhelming. It was overwhelming.

I look back and I see why I made the game look so different. It was like, this is the future. That's the thing. I think Lamar Jackson's's a beast he's a monster and and you know we all see his talents each and every week but the difference is is those are a lot of like designed runs mike got his runs through like improv improvising like

if it broke down then he would take off and he really did sit in that pocket and try to sling that thing as often as possible it just so happened that like the three times that he went and ran it'd be like for 95 yards so like that's the deal you'll take it you'll take 95 yards yeah yeah i'm gasping when i take off my legs fresh when I started to realize Julie if I come out and I and exert some of my energy not too much

no because my receivers I used to look at my receivers and I see how hard they work and them guys sacrificing they running

like man I'm going to reward these guys we got to get on the same page and it's the quickest way to advance the ball down the field they're professionals too

when I was in college I'm like when these dudes deserve they just running like a track team so It's the quickest way to pass the ball down the field. They're professionals too. When I was in college, I'm like, these dudes deserve it. They're just running like a track team. So being on the same page with them was extremely important to me. See, at least he gets that because he runs around. He gets how hard it is when you're tired

to go to the next play. I remember going out and training with Brady and he'd run me on like 70 fucking routes at two-minute drill. That's how he would train. And I'm sitting there like dying, like I'm just dying. I'm out of breath. And he's like, hey, babe, we got to keep it going.

I'm like, you're throwing the rock, bro. I'm over here running 55, 75 routes. It's good to have a quarterback that understands that. You know, thank you. Well, I think it paid off. It paid off quite a bit. Well, it's nice to know you sacrificed so much for Tom. I know, thank you. Well, I think he paid off. He paid off quite a bit. Well, it's nice to know you sacrificed so much for Tom. I hope he's listening so he knows how much you sacrificed,

and maybe he'll want to come on games with names at some point. It's so hard. We get Mike Vick. We get both the Peyton or the Mannings on the podcast. We get Brewski. Like, whatever. We'll talk about them. We'll get them.

I believe. Seven Cities Talk. What were those stairs? Is it in Richmond that I used to run? What were those stairs? There's a group of stairs or a hill. I went out there. I visited my boy that lived in Norfolk when I was in college.

I don't know exactly where that is. Trash Hill. Okay. Yeah. In Virginia Beach. Virginia Beach Hill. Trash Hill. Okay, yeah. In Virginia Beach. Virginia Beach. Mount Trashmore, yes. Mount Trashmore.

Yes, yes, yes. Excellent monument. Amazing monument. It was like a landfill thing, and it was a big-ass hill. It's like Mount Rushmore, but with the shittier presidents. Yeah, definitely. But we used to go up and run that thing, and you'd always hear the legends of, like, Vic and Iverson, all the guys that come from the area.

Two dudes who were super fast, by the way. So that makes you want to run. Yeah. We believed in that little body stir. Did you play against Iverson in college or high school? He was four years before me, four years ahead of me. So I dismissed him. So when I came into high school? He was four years before me. He was four years ahead of me. I just missed him. When I came into high school, he was coming out. He was supposed to be

a pretty good quarterback, wasn't he? Yeah, he had some game. I watched a couple of his games. We dug up a couple of his tapes. He was solid. He was elusive. He was a dual threat. Dual threat. He was pretty good at baseball, too. Yeah. Mike was good at baseball, weren't you?

He chose the right sport. Mike, weren't you pretty good at baseball? I heard you played some baseball. Yeah, I was decent at baseball. I couldn't bet. I got hit with a pitch when I was eight. And that, like, you know how it is, man. I couldn't recover from that.

It was like mental trauma. Lefty. I was bad in lefty. Never get big dude neck. Cook keeps, like, seron, lefty. I was bad in lefty. Never get big dude in that cook. He was like, CZ veteran coming up. He just, I couldn't hit a lefty. I'm okay. I'm okay, baseball.

I can't batter field, but I could cheer. Pulling right in and out. I was really good at it. I was really good at outfield. You probably covered a lot of ground. You ever play with yourself in Madden? What's that? Did you ever play with yourself in Madden? Nah, I couldn't.

It was hard for me. It was hard for me to try to do what I was doing on the field, the action field on Madden. I feel like I should have been faster there, but now I'm a lot better when I play with Lamar

because I understand how to use Lamar, right? But yeah, I couldn't do it with me back in the day, man. So I used to get like Peyton and I used to get Tom and Drew. I wanted that big pass. I remember the pass division back in the day, 0-4-5. We had wide, super wide, master from this day. But I had the moves. So it was take your pick.

We were doing some research, and we were watching that Nike commercial with you, Don Shula, fucking Erlacher, Matt Weiner. Those were some of the dopest commercials, and you were like the lead. Yeah, man. The lead put, the lead. Yeah, man, it was, uh, the lead put me in an awesome position, man. They, uh, you know, they made me the face of the league. I was the face of the Land of Foggers franchise,

and, you know, we did some pretty cool things together. I was on the race to cover Madden, fortunate enough to be a part of that. You know, you just don't grow up thinking that's going to happen. So when that happened, I got hit with the curse. I got hit with the bad curse. I missed the whole three seasons, but hey, it was a sacrifice. I made a drill.

Everything happens for a reason as long as we all learn from it. And just sitting here talking to Mike, man, just the humbleness i mean it's it's unreal it's it's it really is fucking crazy to just get to sit down and talk with i mean he's he's one of the greats that that literally has helped revolutionize this game in allowing guys that are athletic that can take off and run get get opportunities to play quarterback. And if you look at the league now, even our pocket passers, the Mahomes, the Josh Allens, the Mars, all these guys, they can throw the fucking rock, but it's because of watching guys like Michael Vick, hey, I could run the ball too.

And that's a huge part of our game now, and it's largely because of you. Mike, who are your guys? Like who are your favorite quarterbacks coming up? So Randall, John Elway, Steve Young, and who else? Those three was guys that I looked at my game like this. Like, man, people don't understand how

good John Elway was. John Elway was dual threat before dual threat. You know, Steve came along and I was watching some of Steve's highlights a couple weeks ago and he had some pretty big runs. He was bricking off like $30 and $40, and then Cunningham came, and he took it next level.

You know, so I used to love Marmoon because I wanted that pocket pass inside. Like, he was so accurate and so smooth, and it's just his story transition. He became one of the greatest. So, you know, just watching all those guys, and I just kind of like made it, just like put it all in the pot, mixed it up, and like I'm going to be a little bit of every single one

of these guys. There's an old saying, though, because I was a huge Niners guy. I grew up a huge Niners fan. I grew up in the Bay. And the word on the street is that Steve Young was the fastest guy on the team. I believe you. I believe it. I believe it. It's crazy.

I grew up with that. Listen. No, no. Go look at those clips. Go look at those clips, Jay. You're going to see. I lived them. Bro.

I lived them. Yeah. But I was a little like, we almost stopped becoming 49ers fans because we were Joe Montana people. It wasn't until Joe broke it or Steve broke in I mean that was like a huge Joe Joe was literally like fucking he was like a Brady type you know what I mean yes and then they moved on and it just the you know the cutthroat of this business you gotta you gotta do what's best for the team and and they did that and steve got his opportunity and ran with it well but how like

did you always feel like you were like the fastest guy in the field the most elusive guy like you weren't looking at the guy in front of you because i know this as a runner you're not looking at you're looking at the like the three dudes past him because he's automatically going to get shook. Yeah. So is that how it was? I knew I was the most elusive. It was a highlight I had in college and a play that I never forgot. At a high school, excuse me, a play I'll never forget. And I went back and watched the tape. And I made a move on like four different people, four defenders.

And my high school coach was watching the tape together. And he looked at me and he was like, you know, people just don't do moves like this. You're probably playing in the NFL making moves like this. So right then and there, and I wasn't fast. It was just a loose, quick, I was more quick. You were fast. Talking from a non-athlete here, it was incredibly fast.

But I always got caught. Like if I broke out, you know, scrambling, I broke out, I always would get caught. So I never felt like I had the long speed. It was more so I could get off home, I could get away from. And then it's tough for you to turn on your jets. Do you really not consider yourself fast no i never i never yeah it might sound weird but i never considered myself fast more quick

and to actually answer julian's question just the most athletic the more agile person accurately on the field i felt like I was that. Like in a box. You're not going to get me in a box. I'm going to get away from it. I just wish that I would make 80-yard runs in the National Football League and then still have the audacity to say I'm not fast. If you're not fast, I'm a quadriplegic.

I was a loop. So that big run against Minnesota that people like to talk about, it is one of my least favorites, but it was an incredible highlight. Only because, like, circumstances of how it all happened, and then I had to get – I did a lot in that run, and I was really running for my life. Like, just started running to the end zone with him. I went through two dudes, trying not to get smashed.

You know, I'm like, yo, this is kamikaze. This is crazy. But this is what I do. This is what I get paid for. So my athleticism got me through them. And then I kind of just shot through a gap, you know, and was able to. But it looked fast. I get it.

I get it. I get it. And you can't forget, I mean, the dude had a fucking laser as an arm. Oh, yeah. I remember on ESPN they would just throw how far you could gun it. It was like 70 yards. I still could throw it. I still could rip it. still can rip it well we

might have to get up run some routes then i can still let's do it let's do it come back you know may need a lefty over here to throw to me a couple times we can go maybe line up on the line see where i'll hold up an iphone just to feel useful yeah you can come back i'm not coming back and i got the brim like shit and everything i it's all only certain people can do it that's wisdom those those grays on your chin are wisdom now where does this game rank in in your hokey your hokey career was this the one that kind of like it was the comeback at the end of the year against a team that shouldn't have been there but you guys still were able to battle it off go and get the win when you guys weren't playing necessarily your best football.

Sometimes they're the ones that fucking springboard you in to your groove. Yeah, you know, it was the last year of the season against Boston College is the one that I really remember for the whole year. Obviously, the first game of the season against James Madison was my first start. It was my debut. And, you know, I played one amazing half of football, a hell of a half of football, and then I got injured. And then I came back and I was sort of like, I was hurt.

I injured my ankle and I was hurt throughout the season. So it was never really a comfort level. Even though I was able to accomplish a lot into the last game against Boston College, where I felt like I came into that game completely healthy. And it was a game we had to win in order to even be considered to play

the national championship. I think I went 13, 15, 217 yards, three touchdowns, like super focused, locked in. Banker wasn't bothering me. And like that game is the game I remember.

I remember the sunset and at the end of the game, the crowd rushed the field and, you know, student body level, they ripped down, they ripped the goalposts down. It was one of them nights, man. And we worked so hard that we had to get there, man. And the preparation we all put in together, man. Like, we was able to celebrate that as a team, man.

And it's nothing like a team celebration. Man, well, Mike, I appreciate you for playing the way you did, for growing as you have, for being the guy you are, and for coming on Games with Names, bro. I appreciate it, man. Games with Names is official. I love the background. I'm working on mine.

Why are you working on mine? So, you know, I'm a big fan. Send us a pic, an autographed pic or something. We'll throw it on the wall. You send us something. I'll send you something if you want something. I got a Kent State Golden Flash jersey. We went six.

And I believe we went like four and six my senior year. So, like, if you want, you know, like to trade fucking. It's a story behind it. That's all that matters. That's all that matters. Yep. I appreciate you, my bro. Thanks for having me.

Thanks for coming on. Let me know if you ever need anything. What's the legacy of this game? Just that Michael Vick is... This is Michael Vick before he became the Michael Vick we knew. This is the Michael Vick developing into the Michael Vick that we knew. Because we saw him, as you say, stay in the pocket, but we also saw him go for some fucking runs.

Yeah, like the last drive where he goes, what? Like he's looking downfield. Last second, you think, oh, he's probably going to get six, seven yards. Ends up being the 30-yard gain. Sets up Graham for an easy field goal. They go on to win. Conclude the season with a win in Boston College. Get the undefeated regular season,

play in a national championship against Chris Wienke and those Florida State Seminoles. Wienke. Freaking Wienke. This rivalry got cooled down over the few years of burning couches, borderline riots. I mean, anytime you get a bunch of west virginians against virginians not from that part of the country but i can only imagine it's amazing when places are just like right here

and they just hate each other your neighbors and you're just like fuck you that that that's everything that's everywhere that's sports that's it's the middle East. That's Serbia and Croatia. Yeah. I mean, and half the time they're the same people. Yeah. I mean, the Middle East, they're both eating the same shit. You're both making falafel. Great hummus.

Yeah. But that's the life we live in. Yeah. It's the world. It's a fucked up world. It's a fucked up world. I didn't know we were going global with this shit, shit but we did that's the type of stuff you can expect to get from games with names it's not just games with names it's geopolitical whatever we'll do it geo geopolitical whatever we'll do it so uh mike vick revolutionary, paved the way for guys.

You got to give him at least a nod if you're Pat Mahomes. I think with the improv skill and being able to extend plays, keeping your eyes downfield, I mean, every little kid wanted to be Michael Vick, and you're getting all these athletic quarterbacks now that are pocket passers, but they're still guys that know how to run. And a lot of that is probably because of Michael Vick and Randall Cunningham and guys in the back pass. We're not going to have Regency bias,

but Michael Vick took it to a whole other level. And it's cool to hear him say that he likes Steve Young because I can see that. Yeah, a lefty, running bull, scramble quarterback, winner, fast guys. I i mean it's pretty crazy and it's also nuts to see the michael vick effect on virginia tech as before he was saying like you know beamer was getting it going they were doing better and better they go to the national championship in his redshirt freshman year and then after that you know they go to 27 straight bowls they have 2004 to 2019 eight straight freaking 10 win seasons that has to be because of michael vick yeah you know but you know they they still don't have that that natty trophy

they haven't gotten it but is he the most electric nfl player ever he's up there i mean when when michael vick played in games you watched yeah because at any moment it didn't matter what play what down the distance like he could do something special yeah you know he's got that same thing like you know randy moss or or you know lamar jackson these guys that are just so athletically gifted and such great football players and have made so many big-type plays in big-time situations where you just don't know if they're going to do something that you see usually on a video game.

It could happen at any moment. It literally felt like cheat code shit that just shouldn't happen in real life when you play it. something that you see usually on a video game it could happen at any moment it literally it literally felt like cheat code shit that just shouldn't happen in real life when he played and then him not even playing with himself and madden because he didn't like his vision tunnel yeah play with brady and manning what what a guy i always thought about that in video games like when you played when you played would you ever play with yourself? Always. And I'm throwing every time to me. Yeah. Every time. I played a game against Snoop in this little Madden Bowl a year ago or something or sometime.

I played with the Patsy, I think. Who did he play with? The Chiefs or something? I think I had like 22 catches, 200 yards, five touchdowns. You had a Megatron game? I was a Minitron game, but yeah. Jack, did we forget anything? We came up short of the prop bet.

Ooh. Only one Beamer ball. That's all right though. We were talking about Carlos Santana and Rob Thomas and Smooth. That won three Grammys that year, Best Pop Collaboration, Record of the Year, Song of the Year. So good year for those two dudes.

Tiger won his first PGA Tour event, the 1996 Vegas Invitational, posted a 27-under. I can't imagine what happened in that city. Not a bad place to win your first. For all you people counting at home, we had two quadriplegic mentions this episode, so that's a record I think so far. A pronunciation check, Pokemon cards, not Pokeman.

I said Pokeman? I believe that was Jules, but I do like saying man better. It's more fun that way. Well, let's ask the cards how they identify. And then last thing, we mentioned Jason Siegel with Forgetting Sarah Marshall in the 2008 New York Times interview. He did allude to the fact that this was inspired by his breakup with Linda Cardellini. Linda Cardellini. I need a pronunciation check there.

Yeah. You know, Road City native, you know. Big fan. She was great in Grandma's Boy. She was really good check there. Yeah. You know, Road City native, you know. Big fan. She was great in Grandma's Boy. She was really good in Grandma's Boy. And Mad Men. She was like late season of Mad Men. She crushed it.

He was quoted as saying about the breakup, this is hilarious. I can't wait for her to leave so I can write this down. Wow. Yeah, because his dick was out,

right? That was a scene. His dick was out in that movie when she dumped him. He was butt naked. So that must be what he's referring to. Wow. That is the mind of a...

Who was the rock star? I don't know. Was it a rock star that she was dating? Let's see. I'll have to do a little more digging on that. A little more digging. But I mean, Russell Brand killed that role. He did.

And that's also, I mean, like... Jonah Hill? That's such a... Oh, yeah. He was low-key, like, super funny. But that's like the mind that's a comedian's mind where something bad happens you know like all right good like on some level good because i can use it you know you have to think that way it makes bad things hurt less content

you know content it's content baby that's a joke right there i remember i had a breakup once and i was crying when she left me and i got hard and I was like, oh this is a bit. So you have that moment where you're like, all right, thank God, boner while crying, I'm writing it down. I got a joke here. Yeah. Any time I got broken up with,

I would just put on slow, soppy music. What was your song? A lot of Casey and JoJo. Oh my love. I love it.'s name this game the miracle in Morgantown I mean what do you think

yeah I mean it's the miracle in Morgantown I guess yeah that's what we got I mean it's we gotta score it let's get to the we'll talk about it more in scoring. What do you think is better, the Miracle in Morgantown or the Jamestown Massacre? Which is better in name recognition?

I'm going to go with the Jamestown Massacre for 200 points. Stakes, pretty high. I mean, this is high for a Virginia Tech team that has never been to a national championship, that was going undefeated, but they were playing against... I mean, it was a rival game. Which, yeah, they have a low record, sub 500, but they are a rival. So the stakes, what, seven, seven, five?

Seven, five. Yeah. Star power, Mike. But it's mostly Mike. It's mostly Mike. Five? Kyler, what do you think? Six. Power Mike. But it's mostly Mike. It's mostly Mike. Five. Kyler, what do you think? Well, that was a curve, clearly.

We can't just say, that's a... Gameplay. Good ending. Great ending. Yeah. That last scramble. Rough half. Rough first half. So it's like, you got to scratch that. That last scramble. Rough half. Rough first half.

So it's like you got to scratch that. I go like not super high. Not an amazing, not amazing gameplay. Low scoring. Yeah. Low score. I mean, you think of Michael Vick, you think of explosion touchdowns. There wasn't many of those.

So I'm going to say probably 6.5. Yeah, that's right. The name? Five. Five. What's our grand total, Jackie? Six. Oh, a flat six?

Flat six. Wow. Wow. It's a good episode, though. He was very good. It's good to hear from guys like Michael Vick about their collegiate days before they were icons, which I think we called them an icon maybe 47 times.

That's what we should have made the prop bet on, you know, an over-under of icon calling Michael Vick an icon. I would have said it at probably 32. And that's all for this episode of Games with Names presented by Winbet. So, uh, thank you to all our listeners. And our sponsors. And our sponsors

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