Games with Names - Pacman Jones on Ending Tom Brady's Streak

Episode Date: January 20, 2026

Pacman Jones is in studio! The legendary cornerback is with us to relive the time he snapped one of Tom Brady's longest running streaks in Week 5, 2013 when the Patriots took on the Cincinnati Bengals in a rain soaked clash.  (00:00) We kick things off. (00:39) Pacman joins us on the couch. (43:25) We go back to October 2013. (47:32) We get into these rosters. (1:01:04) We get into the game. (1:16:29) We score it. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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versus the Bengals week 5, 2013 match with the legendary Pac-Man Jones. Pack in one sentence, why this game? Stop the streak. Why not? Why not? Tom Brady is the best of all the time. I could say I was a part of history when people talk about Tom Brady

because I stopped the streak this game. Stop the streak. Yeah. That's most touchdowns like in a row. 52 straight games. Yeah. 52 straight games. You know, we'll dive into this game.

But you guys played a hell of a defensive match. But I got some, I got some shit we could talk about that. I got some shit we could talk about. Is this the greatest game of all time? For me, or are you saying? It, where, however you want to take it. Is this the, because we've done about 200 of these things. We grade them.

We'll grade this game at the end. I always say it's got. It's got to be one of one. One of one. Yeah. I like that. 52 touchdowns. We stop it.

I had a chance to stop it. Be a part of something. This game always is going to be talked about because it's Tom Brady. Tom Brady. It'll always be talked about. That ain't that the truth. So, Pac, what are you up to these days? Politely Row is my podcast.

I watch it. I see the clips. It's funny as hell. And I just explain to itself. Politely Roe, man. I enjoy talking shit and doing it my way. Like I always tell people like, I don't really judge the person,

but I love judging the play. You know what I mean? I don't care what you do, but between the lines, it gives me a time to give my opinion and what I think about certain things. So, yeah, just whatever that play shows. Yeah.

Like not if like the player in that play maybe been at the strip club the night before. It's not about that. It's about the play. It's about the play. I was one of those guys that was at the strip club a lot before a lot of games. Bro, you know that? I got to tell you so.

We had a series of formations. And each formation, it was an empty. The F would move. And so the F in the slot, the two spot was Tiger. because it was LSU Tiger for Kevin Falk, who was the running back that we'd put in the slot. He was the guy. Right.

The F on the outside was brown. And then the F on the inside was Bangle. And in the way for us all to remember that, our coach would always say, all you got to remember is the F's always in jail. He's in jail. The Bengals are always in jail. Hey, y'all had a lot of interesting things.

I want to ask you this before we get going. did Tom Brady like come in there and break down each defensive guy when y'all was going to these big games like as far as like Super Bowl like this guy right here don't got good deep ball speed this guy right here he liked the jump place he only played good in zone yeah so that was like every week so you know like we'd have it was usually like a Friday or a Thursday you know it's kind of like the back end of the week where there it's more of mental days, we'd have time and meeting time after our installation of whatever that, like, Friday would be red zone. Then Tom, receivers, skill group, we would sit and we'd watch a cut up of all the DBs. So it'd be like six plays for each guy. Yeah. And Tom would go through, and he was leading the meeting, and go, this guy has an offhand jam,

this guy's patient is a line of scrimmage, this guy won't get, let you get beat deep so you have to use your quick. Like, all that stuff was real. I saw a clip about that recently. Yeah, I would ask you that because before this game, I was talking to him. He's like, you don't like cover two, do you? How to fuck? He knows I don't like cover two.

And then it just came up not too long ago, and that's what made me ask you that. And I hated Cover Two, too, by the way. Why? I just want to, I rather have my man. Yeah. Give me my man. I get it. That's a real corner.

Yeah. Yeah. They don't have many of Pac-Man. Jones anymore. Six overall. Dude's not even six foot, but that's how good of a corner where you could just say, hey, you, doesn't matter what everyone fucking, you guys run. Hey, Pac, you got him.

Yeah. That's like a real corner. Lockdown. Lockdown. And can return points. Who's the lockdown corners right now that are man coverage corners? Well, you got to say, uh, Patcher's a team. Patrick's 13. He's a dog. Um, I like, he's long though. I like the kid from the Panthers.

Jackson? Or the other one? The other one who just got paid all their money. Horn, right? J.C. Horn? J.C. Horn. I like him. I should have known that. An analyst.

Them are my talk, too. Gonzalez? I like Stingley. Stingley is really good. And Lasseter is too. They got two really good. Stingley is a, Sting is a dog.

Gonzo Gonzalez for the Patriots, he's just pretty. He's athletically there. Yeah. He still needs to learn how he uses hands. But that guy he sticks on dudes. There's some good corners. It is. There's some good corners. Some bad ones too.

What do you what do you think about these playoffs right now? It's up in the air, but you know how it is, bro. If you get higher at the end of the season, I think the most dangerous team, right now are the Texas. Texans?

Yeah. Just staying at every top five category on defense. Yeah, but the offense is like real poopy last week. No, but that defense. That offense eventually get going. Will it? I think. But what if it catches a store, like, okay, we know what the Steelers are on offense.

It was struggle for them. They don't have the offense line to play the way they want to play where they can run the football and then hit the play. They don't have that. They had a struggle on defense, really, if you, the defense. We're not getting into that. We're not getting into that. We won't get into that.

And defense never suck for Pittsburgh. How do you spend some, it's the richest defense in the world? Yeah. They're leading the world in paying defense. And they ain't making the plays, but getting back to the other side. In the playoffs, as we both know,

the next game's the harder game. Yeah. So they're going to play a team. If they have three turnovers, that team's going to be able to score at least one, two point. Yeah. not like the Pittsburgh Steelers.

Yeah. So like that's the only thing that makes me scared about. The offense has been way too up and down. And those up and downs, they don't go away when you enter the playoffs. They get exposed when you are in the playoffs because it's not about the more plays you make. It's about the least amount of mistakes you make. Yes. To win games in the playoffs.

And Shanahan, Shanahan just, I don't know how Shanahan does it, but he lost damn not everybody on the team. and him and Chris McHath to figure out a way to win the game every time. Like literally he outcoached him his last game. That was a thousand percent

dude. Uchek, you know what? They have a lot of versatile players. They do. You know, like Ushchek, he's like basically a tight end that plays fullback that can, he knows all the spots.

And when you have a bunch of guys that know all the spots, as you know, that's what we used to do. It makes it hard for, for the defense to match up. You play the big boys in, you play regular. They bring in the big guys. They spread you out.

You got big guys in coverage. Then Shanahan's going to hit one of those screen. You know what I mean? It's just a matchup game. The one thing, though, the Niners are always good under the radar. Yeah, I agree. They're always good under the radar. It's because they coach good.

They coach well, though. But when it's there and they got to, you know, it's one of those things. They got to get over the hump because they have terrible statistics when it comes to like trailing in the fourth quarter, like 0 and 34 when they're down seven points or more in the fourth. In the second half, if they're down seven, or at halftime if they're down seven points, they have like some crazy stats.

They're what you like to call that front running team where they got to play with the lead. So then their defense can do all that crazy shit and the offense can play on schedule with the fucking chains. They get their play action. It's going to be big test this week, though. Seahawks is a real. a good team.

Seahawks are good. But you know what? I think the Niners scare me playing the Seahawks because they know how to play the Seahawks and they ain't scared of the Seahawks like everyone right now. And they just lost to them too. Just lost to them. How hard is it to play a team three times?

You know how hard it is, man. You go back and look at all the film and shit. Your head is thinking this way, that way. Well, I had him on this play this time. He wasn't that good. And when I was pressing him, you go to the next game. He has off the line every play.

it's hard. I think it's better for the defense. Because I used to hate, because then you got to, like, if you felt one of my moves, I don't got to see you for a while. But then I got to see you in two weeks. You felt that move that I have to try to set you up on?

The only thing that I would say is a little bit more, is final formation. Like, y'all was, one week we would play y'all, y'all go five wide. The next week, you must have, fuckers in bunch formation the whole fucking game. I'm like, where was this on film the last two weeks? So, like, stuff like that is kind of hard because you already got a couple of keys.

Oh, if they give me this formation. I don't care big double movie. I'm going to go ahead and jump it. But it's a chess game. Gambler. See right there. See, Pac-Man, he's a businessman. Yeah, I'm going.

If I think I know what it is, I'm going. Because if you jump it and you get burned. No one's going to remember that in two weeks, but if you jump it and you get a pig, oh, my God. That's just money in the pocket for the DBs. That's what I always say. DBs ain't hit no one anymore because no one gets paid for big hits.

Yeah. You're getting fine for big hits now. Taking it away. Yeah, football soft now. Man. What's up with these Cincinnati Bengals right now? Man, we need some vets, man. I like the two linebackers,

the two young boys, I think they're going to be all right. They both had a hundred plus tackles came on later during the season. But early on the season, shit, every tight end we played had a hundred yards. We gave up a thousand damn points this year. Yeah. You can't win like that.

Well, we got back there. Yeah, I don't know. Yeah, you scored 30 points. You expect to win the game. I mean, I think they lost four games when... Yes. They scored 35 points or more. They lost six games.

Them scored over 28 points. Even old man Joe Flacco was putting up points. Hey, Smoking Joe looked at all right. Smoking Joe looked the damn good. I get so excited for the old guys. Like, I was never an A-Rod fan, but now I'm an A-Rod fan because he's an old dude. It's kind of like defying the law, underdog.

Flacco. Rivers? Rivers, I couldn't hop on that one. Rivers churped too much. I could. I always was a lot. and Rod's fan, though, because of the same draft class. Oh, true.

I was. I mean, he was, like, throwing the ball. Like, he's, there's, like, I don't think. Generational. It's him and Dan Marino. Because all the old heads, I didn't watch Dan Marino, but all the old heads say that Dan Marino could put a freaking, a football on a cup.

You could tell those guys, too, though. Like, I think Mahomes is one of those guys that could just flat out through it. Um, that Caleb throw was pretty sick. Color when him, color was playing. He could spin it. He could spin it. He reminds, he's kind of like a, like him and Stapford had the same kind of arm. Stafrick can spin it.

That Caleb throw was pretty sick. Yeah, it was. We just got to get him to hit layups. Yeah. I wouldn't buy him with the nails and shit, but it seemed like in the fourth quarter, he just turned to Superman. Like, he played shitty for three quarters. Then the fourth quarter comes. And he just, he's been.

unstoppable in the fourth quarter of these last. It's like some Josh Allen type stuff. Those two guys when the fourth quarter rolls around. It's been, it's, I, you know, I'm, I'm happy for the Chicago Bears and that, like, I went down a rabbit hole watching all those fans, bro. They, bro, the cheesegraters. Like, they haven't experienced that, that joy in a long time. I read the cheese grater company was making the cheese house. And then the Packers sent a cease and desist.

So they made the cheese grater hats. We'll show you. Yeah, Justin. Fuck the Packers. I love it. And the handshakes, too. Oh, that handshake was hilarious, bro. That's like a...

Do you have any coaches that had any petty wars like that? Have you? Yeah. Yeah. Coach Roder, we'll tell the coach how he feel. Rick Rod, yeah. I mean, he had no problem with it. think you have a problem with it today either.

And who else was petty like that? Oh, my defense coordinator. Mike Zimmer? Zim. Zim. Zim don't get a fuck about nobody. Man. Bro, legend. Yeah.

The blowby is the best. That was an all-time blow-by this weekend. Zim was, yeah, Zim was the ODC here. You got the game ball. Yeah. That was a great, I mean, we'll get into that. Didn't Zim have, didn't Zim have like a 20-year-old wife? Yeah.

That's right. I thought that was in. After his guy, he had from cancer. I remember that was in a scouting report. Yeah, that was tough. That was in our scouting report. I remember it was like this year maybe.

Yeah. It was a year before. Yeah. He's like, you know, this coach is coach. No, it was this year. His wife passed away in 12th. Yeah. And like, I remember the coaches be like, yeah,

this guy's coaching out of his pants right now. He's got a little something extra. Wife passed away. You know, he's pulling from other things, you know, guys. So we got to look out for some maybe spend the dial type stuff. He ain't going to see anything on third down the same. He's going to just throw something.

He's going to be different. Jim was by far, I would say, I would put him one as far as defensive coordinator. You ever had? I will put, huh? Your best? Yeah. And then two, I would go with, what's my boy who coach in Denver right now? Joseph, Vance.

Yeah, Vance. For a cornerback, you want to advance. For blitzes and disguise, you won't zim. Because his whole thing was mugged that he got me. You don't know what the hell we ain't. We're going to play palms out of it. We're going to play man out of. We're going to play zero out of it.

And he taught, like, we would disguise everything. These kids now. And that's what you did in this game that we played. They only fucking disguise, yeah. That's all you did in this game. Because we were, we were shook. We couldn't get any offense. to going because they were getting us with the disguise.

Then that rain came down right in time. Monsoon. Monsoon. I'm like, yes. Yes. Now, Pat, how'd you end up at West Virginia? So my grandma got sick with cancer, and I was committed to Georgia Tech. And, like, two weeks before she got really, really sick.

She's like, I think you should just leave here. like then you ain't going to be to come see me play and I had a real good relationship with Coach Rod, Coach Byrd, Coach Gibby. I didn't want to go to Georgia because I had another friend that went to Georgia and they didn't treat them right. So I had already crossed out Georgia.

I went to Miami. They didn't show me no love on the visit at Miami. They was only trying love to the Miami boys but still said they wanted me. Went to South Carolina. And at that time I was playing, running back. And I forget the kid who was the number one running back in the country, but he ended up going to South Carolina. And I was like, fuck it, I'm going to West Virginia. It's a long way

from home. It's cold. There ain't nobody just pop up on me. I knew I would have a chance to start. And then when I got there, Avon Coburn was a fucking player of the year. So I couldn't play running back. And Ryan called me in his office because I was about to lead. He's like, look, I know you want to play running back. But we see you. you playing defense at corner, you're going to have a good chance of starting. I thought about it. I went back to him. Like, but can I do punt return and kick return?

He's like, yeah, you can do punt return to kick return. And then, yeah, that was all she wrote. And Morgantown was unbelievable for me, man. Met a lot of good people there changed my whole outlook of everything. Like, I'm from the projects. Like, I've never been to school. when we had one white kid in our school that was apparently Jimmy

and like this was like our best friend like we rolled around in his wheelchair and everything and then being dropped in West Virginia one too many one too many blacks up in West Virginia when I first got there like besides like some of the guys

that was on the team but it just taught me how to maneuver a lot quicker than I probably would learn standing in Atlanta, Georgia at Georgia Tech, even though I don't think there's no black people at Georgia Tech either, but still in the city. But yeah, that's how, that's the story.

And I got, I shouldn't say I got a bag. I ain't get a bag. You're supposed to get a bag just then. It's a little bag. Statute of limitations got a pass for now. It doesn't matter. I got a bag. That's right.

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and watch episodes on YouTube. If it was Pac-Man, if we could just drop you when you were 19 today and you started off at West Virginia, would you have ended up at West Virginia? Or you've been doing NIL dip in for four-mill, three-mile? No, no, no. Maybe after that first year you didn't play running back. You probably went into Oregon or something.

I think they would have paid me. And like, we was a number one part of school in the country when I was there. Dude, that's-old. Yeah. Crazy, bro. Legend-year. You guys were a good football school, too. In basketball, why?

We was, especially our second and third year. Like, we was number five in the country. I remember the losing to Pittsburgh. We went to the national championship. Backyard, bro. But, bro, like, the atmosphere in West Virginia, burning couches, the fucking mudslide parties. What's the backyard braw?

Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh, West Virginia. All right. That's why I really don't fuck with Pittsburgh. I haven't fucked with Pittsburgh. birth since college. Then I end up going to the Bengals and there wherever it came.

Oh, man, everywhere you go. I went to Kent State. We had a lot of Pittsburgh kids. A lot of Pittsburgh kids. There's probably a lot of Pittsburgh kids went to West Virginia. One of my best friends, Bonn Rivers from Pitt.

So what's the deal with the coaches? I went to Virginia Tech, and I was always bummed that they stopped the rivalry because of just burning couches and shit. So what's the vibe with that? Big games. Virginia Tech was our rival to. I never forget.

get there. We played Virginia Teddy. We were throwing fucking big-ass double-d battery at us. It was like, put your helmet on. They got batteries out there. They got D's today. They was chunking them down batters. We ended up, that's when y'all had the running back. 22.

We beat y'all at Virginia Tech 760 again. That was a crazy thing. Then we came back. The next year, played y'all in West Virginia with the National Task Force there. I had a night that night. we won that night too. Man. So like when either teams were on the edge of getting to that next level,

Virginia Tech would take you guys down or West Virginia would take Virginia Tech down. But I've never seen a couch not burnt if we beat Virginia Tech. If we beat Virginia Tech, we beat Pitt back then Miami. Yeah. Like, bro, they would take the goalpost out of the stadium and take it all the way down the fucking high screen. First of all, how in the fuck did y'all get in the show? stadium to get the dope.

Like, it was crazy, bro. Like, how do they get it out? I don't know. Teamwork. I don't know. It happened three times where I was there. What were your favorite spots to go to in Morgantown? What's the bar everyone goes to?

Ceglers. Caglers. Caglers was cool. Bent Willys was cool back then. I used to hang out with the fracks boys, though. Heck yeah. Yeah. I love that.

Dude, Western News, like, legendary parties. What is he sick? I forget what it is. I want to say the wrong thing on camera, but up there on Frat Row was always a blast. About 30 kegs up there. Summertime, it was the best. We used to have these mudslide parties.

All the girls in bathing suits, 20 kegs around mudslide. In more than one way. Yeah. Yeah. More than one way. It was like that. It was really like that.

Like, I had some, the best times of my whole entire life in Morgantown. I can only imagine. Legendary, bro. Oh, Morgantown ain't got no girls. The all of them girls up there with no teeth. Bullshit. That is cap, my boy. Don't believe that shit.

All you got to do is go up there one time and you'll figure it up. Now, did they, when you're returning a punt in Morgon, town. Are they like chanting anything? Oh yeah. Was there a Pac-Man chant going in the stadium? Yeah. I didn't know how good I was after the Miami game. That Miami game

I could even walk around campus after that. What did you do? I had a really good game that game. That was like my breakout game. I had a pick. I had probably about 14 tackles, two-pass break-up. That was the game I smacked.

slap Kevin Winslow. Oh, good. Right. Yeah. I smacked the shit out. Yeah. When we came back and we lost that game by field goal, I mean, the whole town was waiting on us.

Like, we had won the game. And since that game, that Miami game, like everything was nine in West Virginia. So, yeah, it was crazy. Oh, that was a Thursday night game, too. Thursday night. Yeah. Jeez.

Whole country was watching that one. Pack, walk me through your thought process before you're about to return a punt. I'm always always interested. What are you looking at? Nothing. As long as I can catch it, I feel like I can win with my first step. I'm always been like that. Yeah.

Get to return side? Nah. I don't really. I'll stick to the script. It depends on how it is when I first catch it. I've never been one of them guys like, oh, yeah, three steps left. The turn is right. If I go three steps left, there ain't nobody else.

I'm going left. And this don't caught me a couple of times, but I've got away with him way more times than I've got caught with it. But, like, I believe them, they got to let me catch the ball. Yeah. You've got to let me catch the ball. I feel that I can win. Yeah, I mean, you had like God touch speed. Oh, would you ever?

I had to run puns differently. I always like, when I caught the punt, I would go directly. I would start attacking everyone because all that's doing is setting up my blocks for everyone else to get to their. And then I'd, so I'd always tacked to the middle of the field. And then I would get to my return side. And then you look for one foot, put it in the ground, then split and go. Pac-Men was already already bawling by the time you got in the league. were you looking at his film at all for returning friends?

What did you notice? What did you like? I couldn't watch it because he was so fast that like a lot of the shit that he, I couldn't do that. He could like reverse field and fucking outrun everyone. Like I was a very north-south, use my quickness and vision, like,

Pack did too, but like it was just a different thing because the holes that he hit, like only like one person, two people, three people can hit those holes because they're getting up and they're going. And, you know, I had to be a little more creative with my shit. My first level was pretty good, though. It was good.

Man. Can you explain to everyone the importance of special teams? I talk about it on Sunday. Everything. To me, it's one of the biggest part of the game. Yeah. It's field position. Field position.

Shit, if you starting plus or past the 35, 40 y'all, line, two first downs, you got points. Yeah. On opposite side, if you're fair, I mean, catching the ball on the fucking eight yard line, then they got to go 92 yards. So, like, I think, and if you, if you're in the lead, you understand how big special teams is. Like, these fucking gunners that's out here running, like, bro, they got one of the hardest

jobs in the league. When we was in there, kick off and kickoff. return, those are collisions every fucking time. Not just one time. I'm talking about big-ass guys. I'm talking about we had some big ones.

I'm talking about fast, two, linebackers, 2, 75, that was running at 4'5. That's what all. Steaming. Like, it's, I ain't going to say the most important,

but to me it's the most important part of the game. It's a third. And we can see it. though. Like, you miss a field goal, you miss a kick, you lose by two. Block a kick. Block a kick. And normally, if you're winning the field position and the turnover, statistics say you should win the game. Definitely. And it's so crazy with the new rules because the touchback automatically to the 35, the field position is different, the new K-balls,

these guys are kicking at fucking 90 yards now. Like, so the game is, it's, if you could dial those situations down you can win a lot of games. And when we play, you know, they couldn't fuck with the ball. The kickers couldn't... No. They had... Now the kickers get the motherfucker right. That's why we send all these

longer... Deal goes and shit. And all these guys pooch kicking the goddamn ball from the 10-yard line and it's going 65 yards. It's because they're playing with the balls now. Yeah. That's what all the guys used to want to be able to do.

Back when we were playing, they're like, oh, don't even put that in there. It's too nice of a ball. Yeah. For practice, you got one right out the box. Be all hard.

And you look at a team like now, the Rams, man, great defense, great offense, special teams, that might be their downfall. That could be. Special teams defines toughness.

That's what people, it's a momentum part of the game. If you could stop, like if you could cover kicks, yeah. And you could return kicks and you can, that's like what we were always defined as a tough football team. If you could cover kicks, stop the run.

Like, that was like how you were. Y'all had one of the best. What's the boy who y'all had? Matthew Slater. What? I hated his ass. Like, bro, double his ass time you get off the bus, bro. He had a motor, too.

Motor. Motor. Dude. Slate. Slate would spend two and a half hours in practice doing, like, these crazy just gunner drills. Yeah, I can believe it. You know? You know, that's Jackie Slater's son.

I ain't know that. That's Jackie Slater. Yeah. Jackie Slater, right tackle. Yeah. Hall of Fame, probably the greatest right tackle. He proved out fast-ass slate. That motherfucker can run, boy.

And Jack is like six, five, big-ass dude. Slate's like world-class speed. Yeah. He can run. Talk about the importance of special teams. The 2010 San Diego Chargers were number one in the league in offense, number one in the league in defense, missed the playoffs because they had a terrible special team.

Yeah Easy Bold heads, no Three phases Three phases of the game Now talk to us about your NFL stops You drafted six overall To the Tennessee Titans

Jeff Fisher Love fish man I was fish Fisher was one of one He was like a country music rock star out there Yeah he was Like I still talk to fish to the day

Um Punter turn Yeah He was just too He was He treated me like his son He went hard enough on me, and I was fucking, at that age, bro, I was young and dumb. I would say, like, I just enjoy life.

I wasn't home and in on the little things, I will say. But, like, I played hard. Like, you had no problems with me when I'm at the stadium. Like, I've never had a problem with no coach about me practicing, preparing for the game. And when I leave that, motherfucker, it might be a different story. Where's Tootsies? Where's Tutsis? Where's majesty?

Let's go have a beer, boys. They got a special. Cags and legs. Yeah. But Fisher was, man, Fisher, Fisher. Fisher is by far, like, he really cared about me. And when I was going through all that shit, when I got suspended and when I came back, he's like, what you want to do?

I'm like, man, I'm ready to get the fuck out this country as time. You're like, you sure? Like, yeah. man, I need a fresh start. And, like, I want you to just go home and think about it. He came to my house, we had a, had a beer. And I, like, I think it's best for me to go somewhere else.

And he's like, if that's what you want. And they, I was owed, like, $9 million. They had, like, postponed it. I let them keep four of it. And I took the other five. And then I ended up getting traded to Dallas. The Jerry World. Jerry World was good.

Like, Jerry was unbelievable to me. The team, we had Romo. It was more of, more glitz and glamour than motherfuckers were in about football. You know what I mean? What was the girl?

He was dating. Jessica Simpson. It wasn't, like, in Tennessee, we was tight as a team. Cincinnati, Maddie, they didn't have the culture that I was used to, but once I got there, I kind of got the culture, like how I wanted it. But in Dallas, everybody, you know what I mean? Why nobody's staying late to do the little things.

The motherfuckers in and out, you know what I mean? And you got to realize, shit, everything big in jail world, like everything. Shit, the kicker is getting paid a million dollars. That's not even kicking. Back up kicking. Everybody got a car deal. like so it was Dallas was cool

but it wasn't football-wise it wasn't nowhere near to bit some of the places I played and then then I got to Cincinnati the culture was shitty as fuck at first

it was all about Ocho and Ocho was an odd guy I'll say that that's my boy but it wasn't like he was worrying by everybody else or doing shit to get the

team together, you know what I mean? And we were sorry for the first two, three years. And when I got there, everybody was talking about how sorry Cincinnati was. Damn, me, Vantes, Barfick, Gil, Gino, Ackis, A. J.

We kind of changed the whole culture. 1,000%. You just went to the playoffs, like eight years in a row. Didn't you do it? Our whole thing is, look, bro, we ain't helping nobody up. You got some friends on the other team or family. We'll talk to them after the game. we had like a fine system too

like man I wish you would help him motherfucker up while you tackling him out here and they're out here trying to kill us like perfect to probably take it to a whole other level though didn't you? Oh yeah perfect

No geeky with him bro perfect nobody buddy Like if you seen 55 off the field you wouldn't believe how nice of a person he was but boy once he put that shit on if he was like that in practice too

yeah he's talking about it was some practice I bet you he's a guy Lewis had to stop practice. Like, go ahead, bro. If he was on your team, you love him. You love him. It's just he has such a terrible reputation because.

No, he was a hard assassin, though. Huh? He was a hot assassin. Yeah. But that's kind of how the game was. That was like the tail end of when that game was going there. The crazy part is, first two years he played like that, they were rewarding them. They paid them big money.

Yeah. And then all the rules came is like, oh, you can't hit him? You can't hit them that way. And I think that took a lot. Mentally, I know it fucked him up. Because, like, he's been playing the game this one way for so long. And then he get rewarded for playing the game like that. Yeah.

And then all of a sudden, you say, hey, man, you can't hit nobody like that. You can't do this. You can't do that. Over him. He was a safety. That was when, that was the last breed of when you could start hitting the high paid hitting guys. Yeah. They all started dwindling away.

Yeah. all because of Will Smith in that goddamn movie. Tell the truth. Tell the truth. All because of Will Smith in the movie. I just remember when Vantes almost killed A-B. Still haven't seen it. Yeah, that game was wild.

Yeah. What? We was literally trying to kill A-B, though. I remember that game. I was awesome. I was the truth. Like, we was. And then Juju lit out,

lit up perfect, too. That game was right. As a mutual observer of that game, why are you guys trying to kill A.B? It was just little antics he was doing and little lame-ass shit that we just didn't agree with. all the shaking it we went with that shit bro

like we was real football players like and we had a bun in our locker room like hey bro we don't want to see this shit day like if you go across the middle you're getting killed like run slant I don't even bro kiss the ball

little look you're not twerking on us that's just how we was and I'm telling you bro from from I would say 2009 to 15.

I don't think nobody wanted to go over the miller or like catch the ball, running a slant or dig and win fucking cup of four. Like, we would tell the safety, bro, don't even worry about him running the post. We got the post. If he run this dig, bro,

you need to take your face mask and run it straight through his face mask. we gonna chip in to pay the fine. Are teams doing that these days, you think? Nah, football's soft. Did that come into your locker room when you play the Bengals? Like, hey, just be careful in front of the middle. Hey, they like to do X-Winz.

We played these guys. We'd have, on Wednesday, we'd have a 15 to 25 play cut up of all, like, after the play antics from what they do. So we wouldn't watch the play. We'd watch Bill would sit, there. Look, look, Pac-Man's going to try to get in your fucking grill. He's going to try to get you pissed off. Just remember, the second guy always gets the fucking penalty. Like, just little

reminders of that. Like, perfect. This guy, he's going to keep on hitting you. Now, fellas, you got to protect yourself and you got to protect your teammates. Watch out. You know what I mean? Like, that's how it was. You'd have a 30-plank cut up. All the antics, they're going to hit you. They're going to talk shit. Don't get a fucking penalty. That was the one thing. Don't get the penalty. I used to love fucking with Bill.

I remember we played Tennessee. We played the Patriots in Tennessee. And I forget what happened. I ran down the sideline. I said, kick me the fucking ball. I ain't kicking you the fucking ball. And damn show shit, he kicked one straight down the middle. I took that motherfucker back to the house.

I run back down the sideline. I'm listening to him. He said, I told you not to kick him the fucking. fucking ball. After the game, we actually, I had him when I was with Pat on Pat McAfee's show.

He's like, Pat, you remember that play? Like, yeah, I remember that play. He's like, I told that motherfucker not to kick you the ball too. But yeah. Bill was one of the best when it came to special teams too.

Oh, he took time with it. Yeah. And he knew it. He was a special team coordinator. That's what people don't realize. Back in 70, 75 when he was with the Baltimore Colts, he started on special teams.

I can believe it. And I remember, you know, I tell a story all the time about we were doing shitty and kickoff team. And Bill got mad at the coordinator and came in, took over the meeting, went player for player on everyone's responsibility, installed a play right there on the dime. And we housed to kick that week. He goes, you're going to take MDM. You're going to hairpin turn it. You're going to do this. You just fucking run.

Special teams. We're in games. 2006, Week 17, Pack took it to the house. 85 yards. 85. What was your long? 85?

I think that Philly game was the longest one I had. I got a little breaking news. Mike Tomlin just stepped down. What? He stepped down. You think they made him step down? No, I think he just wants out too.

Yeah. Mike been doing that a long time, bro. I think he wanted to commentate now. He should. Tell him to come right up on Fox. It'll be made out there. you know. Dang, I didn't think he would step down, though.

I would have thought he would have came back one more year. I thought Ann Rogers would have went back and played with him one more year too. He's going to do the Sean Payton. Take a year on TV. See what the landscape of the NFL is. See how, you know, learn everything, talk right about people, get people to think that you're charming this, that. And then the next time that jobs open up, it'll be the pick.

Bell's whistle. Yeah. That's a long time, though, 19 years. The end of an era. AFC North. AFC North. Long time, man. So you made it tell me, Tomlin,

18 years, 19 years, one of the two out. Harbaugh, 18 years, 19 years, out. And we still got Taylor over there? Stefansky. Tafansky. Man, that was this fucking guy here. You don't like Savancy? No.

You don't think he's good? No. he had a good year, but he had a couple of good years, but I don't think he's a good coach. Why? Resumates to speak for itself. Yeah, he had a good team. In Cleveland, bro, with Baker.

And then I don't know how it went down or what went down to get Deshaun there. But the very next year they bring in the Sean a year after they didn't do very well after they won a playoff game with Baker. I think that organization just ran crazyly. They were a play away from the AFC championship camp. A play away. And then he gets Joe Flacco off the couch and he goes to the playoffs. He's a two-time coach to your... I don't know.

Only two years, though. Look at his track record besides those two years. shitty as hell. Pretty bad. Is that hammer? Is that just the Browns? The Brown's always been shitty. Yeah.

As long as I played, the Browns and the Jets have been the worst teams in the NFL. I think most NFL players can say that. I got it. Where year? Nine. Oh, yeah. That was the year they had. That's when they had.

Rex Ryan. Bart Scott, San Chito, L.T. The cornerback, too. Camardi, Reeve. Revis. That was tough. They had the white boy,

Jimmy Leonard. Can't wait. Who was the other safety? Something other. I was like, that was the deficiencies. Those were the deficiencies. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast.

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This game took place on October 6th, 2013. Let's go over some of the pop culture. Number one movie was Gravity. Was that George Clooney? Yeah, Sanjewa. That one was kind of sad at the end. Yeah. Incredible filmmaking.

This Royals song, like, so Lord by the Royal's song, number one song. Doesn't that sound? This sounds like Billy Eilish to me. That is a good con. I think Billy Elish looks up. Yeah. This was like Billy Elish 10 years ago. Yeah.

I like Billy. I do too. We went to the concert with the little girl. She loved it. Around this time, pop culture. Captain Phillips were the Millers and bad grandpa were in the box office. You see any of those? No.

No, me either. NFL champion, Seattle Seahawks. Peyton Manning was the MVP. Jameson Winston Winston was the Heisman Trophy. and college football champion this time of the what was this? Yep, Bama.

I remember that James Winston speech was hilarious. I told my guys he's just gonna go out there. He's the guy, bro. I can't get enough of James. I love him. Me too.

I love him, bro. Me too, he's electric. You know what? He's gonna be a classic at the football. Oh my God. So I was sitting there. I was the guy that's all right, dude.

All these, come on, man. It's about playing football. we don't need to hear about the crab legs or the eating the Ws. This guy's, you know, then he came and worked with us on Fox. He's just a genuine cool dude. Yeah. You think it's a gimmick, but that's him. It's him.

Yeah. He's just a good-ass dude that, like, just loves being part of the group. And I'm not a jokster either. I'm not either. I hate all that joke and shit, but he's one of them guys. How in the fuck did you just come up with this? Do you think he does research before his little? Yes.

He has to, right? Yes. Got to. But he does like a mashup between like what his pastor told him, a TikTok thing, and then like what he saw on the way to the stadium. He like mashes it all up and then he tells everyone his experience. And it's honestly really good stuff. Smart as hell.

What was life like for Pac-Man in 2013? 2013. It was good. Life was good. Life was good. We were kind of on the up, right? Yeah. She was just getting back right. You were getting back right. Yeah.

Suspension was out. Yeah. I had been in CENC, I had, 2013, I signed three for 30. No. I signed a little deal that year, I think. I think it was like two for 15 or something. And then 14, I signed three for 30.

That's why he was always at those clubs making it rain. I suppose when he made a hell of money, he made hell of money out. Changing the weather. You ever pick off Peyton? He was the MVP this year? I got Peyton. I got Eli.

I got Brady. I pretty much got all the top guys. Who's your favorite quarterback to pick off? Yeah, it's got to be Brady. Gotta be Brady. You got to be. You keep that ball? Yeah.

Hell, yeah. You still have it? I got all my, yes, I do. I got all my interception balls, every last one of them. You got to get all the quarterbacks to sign them now. I should do that. Where do you keep them, Pacman? Just in the, you got them on display in the closet.

I got an office in my house. Nice. And my wife did a pretty big job of. You got to get the little autograph people to follow like Tom or, or Hayton and just, hey, man, get this one for Pacman. Yeah. You know, you go to like the airports in Fort Lauderdale and there's like 50 people. Yeah. I just want to have you sign a pylon.

Why am I signing a pylon right now in the middle of the airport? Is it always Fort Lauderdale? Fort Lauderdale. I was just there. That's all the reason. That's crazy, bro. How do you find out?

All right, let's jump into the game. Should we hit these bangles real quick? These bangles. 11 and 5, Marv Lewis's 11th season. Jay Gruden was running the offense here. We talked about Mike Zimmer a little bit,

DC, some great rookie class this year. Tyler Eifert, Jill Bernard, Rex Perkin. Damn, if Tyler Eiford don't get hurt, he'll be one of the best tight end.

Oh, he was unbelievable. He was a monster in this game. He had his neck too. Yeah. Yeah, nick and back problems. Man, one the AFC north. Tight end.

Rex Burkehead was a monster We took him and we want a Super Bowl He was cold white boy What? You ever seen him play basketball? Yes, he can dunk that bitch and shoot it Yeah Yes, Rex, Rex was a guy I'm not sure I ever saw him get negative yards

He was always moving for always falling forward What a great teammate too He reminds me of McCaffrey He kind of I think McCaffrey's a little bigger thicker I don't know man Rex was

Rex was, man, I'm talking about it. And Rex had, he can get up through there, too. I'm talking about he was so quick in and out. Beast. We took them from you guys. Yeah. We went on with them. Yeah.

He scored in the AFC championship to make us go to the Super Bowl. And overtime. And overtime. Yep. Mendevlin in there. Great out of the backfield. Could catch the ball. Yes.

Smart. Good on special teams, too. Great on special teams. Fucking put his head in there. What an underrated career. Beast. Yeah. Love Rex.

This was a NFC North winning. team won it for the first time since 2009. Also got a note featured on Hard Knocks, training camp, which is always, always tough. A lot of dudes on this team. I mean, this was a very fun team to go back and look through. You got A.J. Green in his third year, balling out. You got young Andy Dalton.

You got Ben Jarvis Green Ellis, another former Patriot. Muhammad Sunu, Witt, back, of course. Vontes Berf who we talked about, Carlos Dunlap. And you got James Harrison. Weird to see him not in a Steelers uniform this year. Yeah, that was a crazy year. Crazy, man. Who do you all play in the playoffs this year?

I want to say the charges. Yeah, this was San Diego. The year before the good football team. Yeah. You look at this roster. You had Jones. There's one thing that's on there that fuck this up. One thing?

Yeah. What do you think, Willis? Let me see. Fucking quarterback. Hey, the red rifle. Red rifle. Man. Could not take the pressure, bro.

He looked good in the regular. season, though. Yeah, he did. When that pressure get on him. He always had good numbers. Look at the receivers he had. I know.

And running backs. This was in Gino came in, little Bernard. He was a great third down. He was awesome. He was in those Sproles routes. Then, Benny.

This is the year that he left. Hulk. We had Hawk before that, too. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. AJ Haw. See, I never played that much against AJ.

Hawk was a dog. I was good. He got in the league probably what? Remember he did that thing with Michael Irvin? He came in kind of late. Yeah. I forget the show that Michael Irvin had. And then he went to Dallas.

Then we picked him up on practice squad. And the little fucker, he just worked his ass off, man. Like, I used to literally had to hit his ass. I'm like, bro, it is weak. 14. and you're out here running fucking full speed, bro. Like, you're on the scout team. Slow the fuck down.

Yeah. But Hulk, Hulk knew one way. Well, his dad was the wrestler. Right? Isn't his dad the wrestler? I don't know. I don't think so. I know.

AJ Hawk? No, no, no. I'm talking about Little Hawk. Oh, Lil Hawk. Oh, Andrew Walker. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I thought we're talking, AJ. Me too.

Way off. Hawkins was hella good, too. Yeah. Forgot about him. He came to us. Yeah. I think two years later. Now, this is a good football team.

How much is Chado Tosenko like having it up for Hard Knocks? How much is Chattanoxosco handing it up for Hard Knocks? Or is he just really actually liked that all the time? He wasn't on this one. But just didn't, oh, you wouldn't have been there for him. He wasn't there. Bengals were in 09 and also on Hard Knocks? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Because he's been on almost every Hard Knocks. It feels like. Yeah. Now, are you a Skyline or Gold Star guy? Neither. We ask every, everyone that has a Cincinnati. It's not a cinnamony, isn't it? Finally some truth.

It's not real fucking chili, bro. I know. I like the West Coast chili. I like my like some ground beef and my chili. Yeah, it's like lamb or something, isn't it? It's like Greek chili. I don't know. It's pasty as hell, though.

And you put it on noodles? Man, they put it on everything. Bro, they putting it on biscuits. All type of shit. It ain't just chili you want to put on a hot dog. Yeah. Now, is this the best defense you played on? Um, you're saying,

this particular year Dunlap, Wallace Gilberry, D'Amato. We missing somebody on there, and was Gino Atkins on his team too? These rosters generally miss IR. So if someone was on IR or hurt. It was good, too.

Atkins was on Scott. They might not show up. He was a problem. What year is this? Yeah, Gino was on this team. I think he ended up on I. 13. 13. Yeah, this was one of the best defenses

I played on. Yeah. Now, why couldn't these teams get over the hump. Red rifle. Oh, you know what? Red rifle was fucking horrible. What's our podcast name?

Games with names. No, what? Pax. Oh, politely raw. Yeah, politely raw. That's true. That's politely raw. We're being politely raw.

For you. That's politely raw. I was slow on the uptake there, sorry. I was trying to... Just think about it, bro. We should have, like, even 14 when we had a... What's the name from Alabama? Oh, not McCarran.

McCarran. Yes, when Andy got hurt, we should have just stuck with McCarran. He never went back to Andy. Hindi still. He's running from office now. Can you believe that? Unbelievable. Yeah, he's backing up, um, he's backing up, um, he's backing up right down.

Yeah. Crazy, bro. Yeah, McCarran was last playing on the, uh, the battle hawks. He's going to be a good coach, though. He's smart. It just. And he got pretty good situations. He was Dan Arlowski.

Oh, that's a good comp. Backup quarterback's, no. everything that's going on. Yeah. But they're back us because they can't do it. They could tell you what to do. Right. They can get the practice to go when the starting quarterback's not there.

It'll look like it because he ain't going to get hit in practice. Me, him, he's 38. When there's live bullets. When there's live bullets, it's different. There's different. All right, let's do a run through the Pats real quick here. Let's run through the Pats. 2013 Patriots, 12 and 4.

Bill Belichick, of course, Josh McDaniels, Maddie. some notable rookies on this team as well. Jamie Collins, Daron Harmon, Logan Ryan. We just saw Logan Ryan out there at the playoff game getting the crowd going the other night, him and Dola. Lost to Baltimore in the AFC Championship

the year before this. This was a year that pretty much he added Dola and Blunt in the offseason, which was big. Amindola. That's my boy. We love Dola over here. He was with me in Dallas.

He used to talk about you all the time. I used to get his ass right. He went before I got there, he couldn't get off the press. I'm like, I'm going to press your ass every day until you learn how to get off of it. Yeah. And he fucking learned it too

But like man Madola still good friends He worked too man And Madola good dude He's the best thing that happened To me coming over here Because he brought my play up You know what I mean

There's always that competition in the room And you know competition makes the best Yeah, sir It's iron And then a lot of You can't talk about this season Without talking about the injuries Gronk out

You got Vreen hurt Dola was banged up early. Big Vince went down the week before this with an Achilles. But just a decimated Hernandez. Hernandez. Right before the season. That's why our offense looked like shit. Yeah, a lot of key weapons out.

So we were, so our team was built for the 12 personnel. We were built for two tight ends. Rob didn't play the year. Hernandez gets locked up. Then we have all these receivers that are like basically just complimentary receivers to what that was. Right. It's like you got here. This was the transition of our team.

I wasn't where Honorable that is He's a monster You loved him I mean I heard of a lot of No you wouldn't have loved them You guys would have fought

At practice That's cool That's a part of it But he worked hard He practiced hard He knew every He was never You could never like

Stump him with like a question Or anything He was in his playbook Yeah He just He talked outlandish shit But everyone just looked at him Like he's a wankster

Like yeah right He ate about that. He was about it. Yeah, he was. He was about it. World's off. He was about it. But he was, dude, he was, he was one of the best football players I've ever been around.

Because he was big, fast. You should, he could, he could. And physical. Physical. He ran his, like, routes, like a basketball player. You know, he would, he would, like, cross you up at the top of his route. And he could get out of it. Like, a lot of guys want to do that.

Yeah. But they can't get out of it. You know what I mean? He was fucking the real deal. Bro, he and gronk together. That's just crazy that, like, that existed. That combo. Now, who is your least patriot?

Who's your least favorite patriot to play? Is there a guy on the, that you battled? That I just did not like playing against. I would say Slay. Slate? Slater. Slater? Yeah.

I hated them. Like Matthew I would tell double his ass time he'd get off the bus bro.

He just had a motor and like I enjoyed doing the punt returns and kick returns because that was my way of getting back

on the offensive side of the ball but like he's one of the guys that you want to know where he had every time and y'all

was moving them around and shit too but far as receiver was you just a little feisty but I can get to see you much because you was in the slot.

And also you, I came on later. Yeah. I was like still a baby. I was still a baby here. And you, you were what? You're probably in like your eighth year here? Yeah. Ninth year?

What is this? 14? I mean, 13. 13th season. Damn, I played long as time now. Think about it. Yeah, he did. Now, what was it like prepping for, like, Tom?

For you guys? What was your keys? You guys just had to disguise everything? We had to because, like I'm telling you, y'all never showed, whatever y'all did last week, you definitely not doing it the next week. Game playing offense. We always game playing new for the team. Everything is going to be different.

And I'll never forget, we play it. Y'all just got blew out by somebody. Kansas City. And we had to come play y'all in Foxborough, the next year. Foxborough. On to Cincinnati. The next week, man, y'all beat the shit. us. That's when the ball flake shit was going on.

And our whole thing, we had to disguise. And we knew that he knew pretty much everything in the book. Like, we was doing shit out of the ordinary. Like, we in cover two, I'll say. We had single high. I'm 10 yards off. I ain't even coming up until the ball is snap. And I might be late making the play in the flash. But, like, we tried our best to disguise everything.

until the ball of snap because if you give any pre-reads before the ball is snap he pretty much going to know what you're in. And we were, it looked when you watched the film, he had us confused. Like we had the wrong game plan

for what they were doing if you watch it. Like, because I could always tell by what coverage they were playing and what route concepts we were in, they weren't matching. Like they'd be playing like some sort of zone and we'd be playing,

like on a man, we'd be doing like a man concept, which means they got us pre-snap to stay in the play with their disguise. And usually if you're running a man concept against, you know, zone, that ain't going to work. That's how guys get blown up. You know what I mean? So it's, that's the chess match pre-snap that DBs, defensive guys always talk about when they have to disguise something. They're trying to get the wrong play in for their offense. And they were doing it very well this game. Yeah, Zim did a good job of disguising with us. That's why that mug and the A-gap thing,

what I was just talking about earlier, we pretty much did that shit the whole game. Mugging the A-gap being two guys in the A, like the two linebackers are in the A-gap. You don't know if they're coming or not. And when he said they jump out to cloud, that means that's covered two, like a zone. Zero means they're all coming,

or they can do like a one-rat. Or they can drop. a guy funnel like all the they'll play you man and funnel you into the middle and they'll drop one of those guys so that guy comes out and picks you so that was good stuff so two and two since he coming into this one coming off a loss to cleveland 17 to 6 uh so a j green was balling as well we talked about him he's in his third year balling out uh patriots enter this thing four and oh uh two and o in the AFC just coming off a win against Atlanta, but Vince Wilfork towards Achilles at game. So that was a big loss.

Going on the road here to Sincy trying to get this road win without Big Vince in the middle. Should we hit the game real quick? Yeah. Game wise, from the beginning, these guys were getting to Tom. He started off with a big Gino Atkins sack, follow that up with a Wallace Gilberry sack. And it was clear this was going to be a tough day. Getting Tom off the spot, dropping guys. We saw that on the tape dropping a lot of guys, getting those coverage sacks.

Pack almost picks off Tom. You were pea-dropping fools on third down. And then you guys were getting rushed with Gino, Atkins. And I was like, there's like four guys around me. Why am I running? Just uncomfortable all day for Tom in the offense. Pack almost picks off Tom at midfield on a third and seven at the end of the first quarter, which was tough.

And then we get into the second quarter. Andy Dalton's first career, first of many, Red Zone Interception, rolling right throws back across his body that was Brandon Spikes getting that one Patriots go down nothing on offense trying to manufacture anything we had that end around of Jules there So like that interception

that Annie Dalton through that's like what like every coach preaches to the quarterback Don't do that if you're a kid that wants to know not what not to do go watch this nowadays everyone does it everyone does it now but that like back in the day

I remember I threw a pick like that when I was playing quarterback, the coach. He said, don't even come to the, go. Just go, go. He kicked me off the field. It was bad, bro. Textbook, bad. Then Carlos Dunlap forces a fumble in the second, which was big,

since he takes over their own 30, goes down. You guys have ballplayers. Finally get some points in this game. A Mike Nugent field goal makes it 3-0. And then to avoid being shut out for the first time since 2011, Patriots get a drive going. Stivo gets a 42-yarder, 3-3 at the half. It's an ugly grinded out game.

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Half time, what are you guys thinking? Just keep it close. Andy don't fuck the game. I mean, the defense has been ball enforcing, I mean, if you go by the drive chart, Patriots, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, fumble, punt, field goal. A high level question,

just being in the NFL, when there's clearly, like, the defense is better than the offense or the offense is clearly better than the defense, and it's, like, starting to cost the team games? Like, what's that like in the locker room? Is there, like, animosity built up? Or, like, how does that, how does a team operate that has such disparity in the types of units that are playing and how the while they're playing? I don't know if I could say that I've played a team.

Like, they're just so much better than this. I don't think no team is like that in the NFL. Like, you might have better scheme and shit. But talent-wise, if you're starting on defense or starting on offense and the NFL, you pretty much got a chance to win the game. It ain't just doubt in that they're better than us. Now, a lot of shit come down to third down. You win third downs, get the field position, do good on special teams.

You give yourself a chance, you know what I mean? But I don't know. You've been on way better teams than I have. I mean, like internally. Like, look, this year's Bengals team, like, the offense is putting up crazy numbers, but how many games did they lose from the defense? Like, does that start to, like, eat at the, a locker room?

Yeah. I've never been in those shit. I haven't been in a situation really like that. So it's hard. I have with Andy. Does it eat the locker room apart? I ain't going to eat apart, but we end up and my fucking,

God damn, can he just fucking not turn the ball over? Like, it was, you start, you start hearing a little noise in there, especially when we playing a fucking 80 play game. Yeah.

Back to back, 80 plays. 80 plays. That's a lot of plays. So, yeah. 80 plays for them means a lot of three and outs for the O. A lot of offense. Yeah. Yeah. Not great. Speaking of three and outs also. This was a great, I mean, this was

no shortage of punts in this game. Jules, you opened the second half for the big 24 yard return. But in fact, you were out there returned them early. Why did they put Brandon Tate back there? I was tired as hell. I feel that. Yeah. I had the choice. to go back there or not.

Okay, I feel you. And then, like, if it's end over end kick, put tape back. Plus 59. Yeah. I just wasting my time for me. And I don't like fair catch. And I think I got nine fair catches in my whole career.

That ruins my, that ruined my average. Not fair catch. I ruined your average if you don't like the fair catch. Yeah. Like, all these kids have fair catch, they have great averages. Right. But if you got dog in you, you might have lower average because you don't fair catch. And I fucking learned that out by Pro Bowl, too.

I had a, I forget what you was. I had a lot of good returns, too, and I miss leading the NFL by yards by, like, I think, maybe a yard. I had a $500,000 bonus in my contract. My special thing, because I say, you stupid motherfucker, all you had to do is fair care some of these balls, you'd be a right.

Oh, my gosh. It was also tough for us because we're going against Hester. Hester, his average, I had a 15-2 average one year. His average was 18. It was a record. Like, and 13 is an insane average. Yeah. You know what I mean?

That bad year. And then he had a hell of a special team unit that year, too. Oh, my. Who? The Bears. Bears, they always did. Yeah. They always did.

It's unbelievable. I mean, he alone has 14 punt return touchdowns just once. All the em factor in kicks. Hall famer for specialties. Man, I mean, it's nuts. Now, this became a torrential downpour. In the fourth. Yes, sir.

In the fourth. Right on time. Right on cue. Two minutes and change, I think. Three minutes. Unbelievable. Patriots go no huddle a lot in the third quarter here. Well, we got to rewind.

Me and me and Pack had a match up, and he actually got the best of it on the red area. This is third. I dropped it. Third, third and gold and the fourth. I dropped it. From the one,

Jewel's back. I was still like, in the hype of like, I'm playing against Pac-Man Joe's. Because strip clubs and shit. Like, that's how hyped I was playing against Pac-Man.

He's over here trying to fucking take him off my head and shit. I was like, what the? What kind of shit would you say to him? He probably just said, he was slow.

He was saying you were a white boy. Yeah, you're a slow-ass white boy. But I got him on a stopper. They did. You felt the speed there. There it is. Oh, man.

So Patriots had to settle for three there. Packed with the great PbU on that one in the back corner. That was a drop. I don't think there was a PBO. I think I dropped it. I think I got my hand through it. I don't know. The pictures.

The pictures shows. Look, you got your hands around me. I don't know. I dropped it. I don't know. Oh, my gosh. Oh, no. Oh, no.

It was breast cancer. It was breast cancer. It was weird. Gene's territory's got the pink wristbands. What are we doing? Did you see that? They had pink flags back in these days. They were throwing pink flag.

They were throwing pink flags. It was crazy. They were going OD with the pink, Doug. Man, and then, so that brings us to about, so we talk about the past breakup. The Patriots get another fuel in there. So it's 13.6. A comeback is still possible.

Moving down the field, the rain is coming down insanely hard now. So when the rain starts to come, like, are you guys swapping gloves out? Is there anything you're doing differently now that the rain is changing so much? Definitely swapping the gloves. Leather gloves. Yep. Okay.

Anything else? Cleats or anything or just gloves? Well, it was too late in the game, I think, and this is the swapping cleats out. But we really kept the same cleats because that, because we had field draft. Yeah, okay. Yeah. The thing is, so it starts pouring, like, it's two-minute drill. Yeah.

And we just get the ball. And I think there's like a buck 20 or something for us, and we had to go score. Yeah. I'm in a 48. Or to try to win. You a touchdown. Look at Dolah and it's fucking pouring rain.

It's a torrential downpour. And I'm like sitting there. I always go to like the center. The center always had a little extra dry towel. I'd always hit the center for a little. I'm looking at everyone's towel. And Dolo finally fucking grabs my towel and he throws it on the rose. There is no fucking towels right now.

Look how ready it is. There is no towels. I'm saying, oh, fuck. And then you lost And then we lost There were so many drops on that last drive It was just coming down so hard But I mean credit to this Patriots offense

They end up getting in field goal range Getting in scoring range From the 27 Back ended it I know Get down to the 27 Thank God for Reggie on this play though Why?

Because we was in cover three And it was all go Yeah And Reggie was like look Just bail I'm gonna get the fucking number two guy I promise you Just stay in between

but I'm going to get the number two guy. Do not let him throw the fade to the number one guy. I looked at him out of the fuck you know it's going to be all go. And sure shit's thing, it was all go. All go. The same play that the Philadelphia Eagles ran that everyone's been bitching about the last whole week. All goes like a, that's kind of like.

Hard play. Made in Cup three. Hard play. Those seams usually open. Yeah. It's a three by one for a one. I think too. It was.

Try to get the guy in the crosser then bring this guy here so you put that safety in a predicament because we knew we weren't going to win on the outside.

Back ended it with 26 seconds left. Tom Brady's streak of 52 straight games with a touchdown pass ends and that sealed the game 136. Bengals win it.

Hey, Dolah, if he didn't fagg him out on the touchdown. You see that spas flopping around like a dead fish on the goal line. He looked like a beetle

when you put him on his back. He's like, can get out. Oh my God. That was a fucking good game. What a game. All-timer, man. Dude, now rank this.

Rain game, snow game, cold game, hot game. Which one would you rather play in? As a DB or Punt Return? Or I should say. Either are. All right. I would rank Snow Games number one. For Punt Return.

That tells me for Punt Return, because you always have the better footing as a punt returner. Yeah. You can, you can slag. I would go ring game number two. For, because offenses don't want to throw the ball. Right. And it's slippery balls.

Tip balls equals interceptions for Pac-Man means more. I would go cold game number three. Cold? Cold. Cold game, that's a ballsy move because usually cold game defense don't want to tackle, but shit, Pac-Man wants to tackle in the bag. The guy. The offense guys don't want to get hit when it's cold either.

though. That's true. And the ball's hard. Yeah, the ball's hard. Harder to catch. And I will go hot game last just because you pull more shit in the hot games, hamstrings, groans, and shit. It's a grind in the hot game.

You got to eat. You got to drink. And me going out the night before. You got to fucking take an IV before the game. At least. And then maybe even halftime IV for you. Yeah. I ain't really like, like, I hate it going playing down in Miami.

Yeah. The September game in Miami was brutal. We lost it every year. And that sideline? get no shade. Zero shade and they put you in the color and they be in the white so you get hotter. We know your fucking tricks.

Then the cold games, you got the heated bitch right there. That's true. I like cold games. Me too. Because it was always an advantage too for people that didn't like cold games. Like when we playing like the Chargers

and the AAC championship or something they're coming from L.A. It's fucking 12 degrees outside. there's no way they're going to want to play. It's like Derwin James out there the other day in shorts and like no shirt, no pant, nothing. Trying to act tough. There's only 30.

Go on. I know. Nah, I like Darwin. Dernan is a monster. I like Derwin. All week I had to hear about him like he was Ed Reed, man. It drove me nuts. Man, he's one of the best. But still.

San Diego got mad because I said they had a no-name defense. Or the L.A. The defense is good. Tui Pillow 2 is really good. Leo Maxwell. Oh, no, whatever. for his name is. Yeah. Cleo Mac. This is 14th year or something.

Yeah, he's been around while. You know what I mean? It's tough. It's a little no-name to me, at least. That's out of like two or three dudes. Now, Pac-Man, what would you guys do after you guys won this game? Was it you guys were pretty hyped? Oh, yeah. We had a long night. Nice. Long night. Now, what was Coach Lewis like after a big win?

Coach Lewis always been the same. Just chill? Chill. All right, fellas now. Yeah, wherever I run next week. You sure, a lot of emotions there and not there. But Coach Lewis was even kill. Zim.

Zim is, you're going to know if he's happy or not, God damn, immediately. How do I pack? Yeah, buddy. You motherfuckers, I told your ass getting in the H-Gap. No way gap. Zim got the game ball after this one. Yeah.

You got a game ball? Zimmer did. Zimmer did. Oh. That was, I mean, that was, you guys out play. us. This was, wasn't even close. Yeah, that was a good night. It was a good night. And then talking about the rest of these seasons, the Patriots went 12 and 4, six time and 11 seasons, they went undefeated at home.

Lost to Denver in the AFC championship game had to go out there, 26, 16. Keeb got hurt. If Keeb didn't get hurt, we would have won the game. Shout out Kib, man. Since he would finish 11 and 5, won the AFC North, as we mentioned earlier, but then would lose to San Diego in the wildcard rounds. 2710. Yeah. And that was a third straight wildcard loss for those...

Andy had two-piece that game. Yeah, dog it. You know, like, that's, like, that right there, I just went down memory road, like,

when I watch these Niners, I'm like, it's got to catch up to them, not having your best offenders because, like, we were playing against a good

Denver team in the AFC championship. They were really good. Granted, we lose one player, Akeb Tili, and literally, we lost the game

because it fucked up our whole deep, you know what I mean? You lose one. one of your guys. How can San Francisco go on a run when they're missing all their guys? That was when they cheap shot it to keep too, wasn't it?

Yeah, it was on the pick. Yep. I remember that. Bullshit. People don't forget. We miss anything from this game, Pac? Nah. All right. Let's name the game and let's score the game. Let's see where it ranks. We got some of these names that we came up with. If you have a name that you want to call it, we can do that.

We have the Rumble in the Rain game. we have the Make It Rain Game. I like that one. I like that one. The Pac-Man called game. Pac-Man called game. Game over the Mike Zimmer game. Which one do you like?

I'm going to be not selfish. And I'm going to go with the Mike Zimmer game. There it is. Because the game plan that he put together was fucking unbelievable. All right. I think we could do a hybrid, though. What if we do the Mike Zimmer? Make it rain game.

Make it rain. Yeah, I like that. Mike Zimmer, make it ring. Yeah. Brought you. Now I'm picturing Mike Zimmer in Magic City. Making a rain. That would be so funny to have Mike Zimmer in Magic City.

Oh, that would be some funny shit right there. Now, what would be the first thing you'd do? If Coach came up there, would you like, do you have like a spot there that's your spot or anything? Wait, magic? Yeah. Yeah. I'm always in the age. So they'd have, they would come up and they'd have your drink ready for you and, hey, coach, come over here, man.

Try these. They got really good. chicken wings coach you hungry yeah that's funny that you're saying that just you got to see uh free I want to tell everything but all right magic city is in there oh really I got to check it out I'm gonna check it out man if we come to Atlanta can we go with you yes I'll be more than happy as far as American landmarks go it's high on my list you all have a ball some of the best food you're gonna eat some some good eye candy um good conversation yes great conversation Lou Williams Wynne.

Great food, a great bar. You know, they got a great mixology. When people think of script club, they don't think of a party. Right. In Atlanta, the script,

you ain't going there to get no pussy. You ain't going, you can't even pay for them. Most of these girls are fucking making way more money than the average blowjo. 90% of them are in school somewhere.

But it's more of a party in the entertainment than, I don't know, you're hole in a wall where Julie, coming out with half a dress and them, half a high yellow. Yeah, for sure. These are well-oiled American establishments, guys.

100%. Now, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Decimals encourage, Pat. Stakes of this week five regular season game, zero to 10 decimals encouraged. I would say, as far as the team,

I would give it an 8.9. nine because we came back and went on the round after that. We was two and two when we played, y'all. I like that. That's some good explanation right there. Context. I'm going to go with the 5.4. You know, this is early in the season.

It's early in the season. I went 5'1. I don't want you to get mad or anything. Our grading scale, we've done World Cup championships. We've done, you know. Olympic gold medals. Gold medal. We've got a star power, though.

Star power, 010. That's encouraged. A lot of stars here, though. Ben, time break the best quarterback ever, so you got to put it up there with the star power. I'm going to go. Desimals encouraged.

8.0. 8.0? Good score. It's a good score. I'm going to go with the 8.2. I agree. I got a 7.8. 7.2. The gameplay of the game.

Now, this could be taken in a different bunch of context, but as a viewer, as a player, whatever you think the gameplay of this game was. Shit, we won. It's a 10. I like it. Gameplay for me. Got hemmed up on one, so I'm going to go.

I got a P-B-U on you. I got hemmed up. I'm going to go with the 7.9. I'm an offensive guy. I want to see some more points. I went 4.3. I was real hurt on this one as a Patriots. Who the fucking scoring this thing?

The name of the game. We score the name of the game that we came up with. Mike Zimmer make it rain game. I like that. I said, that's got to be a 10. Yeah, baby. I got to go with a 9. I might have to rescore my,

I think I went low before I knew what it was. I might rescore that. I won with a 3.0. Yeah, see, I didn't know we were going to pick that one. I'm going to go with a, I got to give it an 8-5 at least. So, 8-5.

What does that? I have a 5-point-point-re-2. Let's see where we are, calculating. It's a 6.82, which that will put us at our new, 95th game It's still above a Stanley Cup final

Yeah, we gotta fix that I mean right 9.8, it's just behind the 2016 Olympic men's rugby 7 rugby in Rio and just ahead of the 2018 Stanley Cup final Game 5 Capitals versus the Golden Knights

What's that AOC divisional realm? Who is that with? Broncos and Patriots Oh, Gronk. That was the T-Bol The Tibo. We ended Tebow. Yeah.

Oh, Tebow mania. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We had to put them down. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

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