Games with Names - Paul Bissonnette Stories

Episode Date: June 7, 2026

Paul Bissonnette talks NHL Hockey, the game's ascension, and some of his favorite NHL stories along the waySupport the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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from the Black Effect podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation highlight reel starting now. Now, Biz explains what starts an NHL fight. At that time, like, there was no social media. So you were getting, there was really no way to escape it. You'd get beat up.

You'd get on the bus. You'd travel four hours that night to the next city. And you'd kind of just be sitting there in your seat, like half concussed. you know, wondering like, oh my God, I got to do this again tomorrow night. Take us through your journey, your hockey journey. You played 12 years. You battled back and forth from, you know, the AAAs to the bigs. I'm sorry if I fuck up the terminology.

H.O. Yeah. And so take us through your journey. Yeah. So I was a pretty decent junior player. I was a defenseman. I actually was able to represent my country playing under 17 for Team Ontario. and then under 18 was Team Canada.

I played both of them. World Championship was able to win gold both times, was drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins. And gotten a little bit of trouble early on in my career. Like you go from living with a billet family and junior to all of a sudden you sign a contract, you have money, you're living on your own. And, you know, probably was drinking and partying a little bit too much.

So I started off my career and professional in the ECHL, basically the lowest league and slowly worked. my way up. And after getting in a little bit more trouble, Bacey was in the coast and thought my career was over. And then from at that point, I was a defenseman and they called me up to the HL and they said, we're going to make you a fourth line fighter. And I had a decision to make at that point in time, whether I wanted to do that or stay stubborn and stay as a defenseman. And I said, you know, fuck it. If this is my only path to maybe get into the NHL, I'll do it. So I started scrapping. I got beat up a lot. I had back to back seasons where I fought 30 times.

times and guys at that time when they were taking steroids. I was getting the shit kicked out of myself. And eventually, just from playing that position and sticking at it, I ended up finally making the bigs with Pittsburgh. What a team to make it, though? Unreal. I got to play with Sidney Crosby, Evgeny, Malcoli, Mark Andre Fleury. You know, just those memories alone were unbelievable,

even though I was only there for about 26 games, played 15. And then the following season, I was old enough where I got sent down, but I could get picked up by waivers. So I got to go over to Phoenix who put in a claim for me and played five years there, lived out my dream, ended up starting Twitter when I was there. And that's where the whole social media career started. And then ended up finishing off my career in the American hockey league. So I was one of those guys where I was a borderline NHLer, and I was just grateful to be there and was able to play with so many amazing teammates and made so many friends in Arizona, one of which is another boss and guy, Keith Yandel, who's now on our

Spit and Chickens podcast. But yeah, it was a world win. Grateful to be there and just grateful to transition it into media and stick around the game and also have a purpose after my playing career. Yeah, I mean, you clearly did that. I mean, you still played 12 years at a professional sport. Yeah. And then you did something amazing where you didn't just become a Canadian kid that went back to the house and did nothing with his life. You did something else and now you're known for something else other than being an athlete. Yeah, I'm always, yeah, I'm always interested in more and what like life has to offer. So as much as I love my hometown of well in Ontario, I always knew there was more out there

and more I wanted to do the same reason why at 16 years old when I was drafted to junior, like I moved away from home and I lived with the Billet family. I never even called home for the first three weeks while we had training camp and stuff. Like I dove right in. I didn't get homesick because I knew that, you know, if you wanted to achieve anything in life, you were going to have to, you know, go outside your comfort zone and do it. And I was also, like, things happened for a reason, too. Like, I was in Pittsburgh, which is a, you know, a very respected organization.

And not to say Arizona wasn't, but Arizona was a team where they, they didn't mind getting any type of publicity. So I was able to start out a Twitter account and be an absolute donkey online. Like with a shit that I was doing and saying and tweeting, I was going on local radio stations. And like they hooked me up with this girl, Bibby Jones. So I guess I'm actually Eskimo brothers with Gronk.

I hate to throw them under the bus. But she actually posted a photo of them. And then she asked me for a photo to post. And I was like, I don't think I want that smoke, right? And then she went on the local radio the next morning and put me on blast. Oh, yeah. Just all.

What year is this? this is probably like 2011. Oh my God. So the shit. Early. It's early Twitter. So the shit that I was able to get away with and grow my own personal social channels based on playing in Arizona and the fact that they want a publicity, it just

worked out perfectly. And that's kind of what got me my start into the media where I started getting more opportunities and offers to do these one-off videos. And then by the time I retired, I got my buddy here, Pasha. I dove right into it. I did this film project called. biz does BC. So yeah, is it awkward? And it was it, you know, it was very silly at the time, but it taught me a lot about what I needed to know in the backside after retiring. So

just a world win of a career in a transition, but wouldn't change it for the world. Fucking, it's been fun to watch. Like, I didn't have the playing career that you had. I was in the press box more, I had more healthy scratches in my career than games played. Yeah, but you still, you still made do with what you had. That's it. And that's what you, you could, continue to preach when you talk. I mean, it's also a lesson for like a lot of kids out there. Like everybody drafted when they're playing junior were probably the stars of their team. Right.

But, you know, at a certain point, you're not going to be the star and you have to make a sacrifice. Are you okay being the fourth line peasant who's getting healthy scratched? If you're not willing to put your ego aside, there's other guys who will and there's positions for those guys. So I'm glad at the time I was able to make that decision. it just kind of happened naturally. Like I, you know, who knows, maybe going back if it would have happened again, and it was the wrong day.

Maybe I would have been stubborn about it. But just grateful that that's the path I chose. And I was accepting of that. And it led to all this. That's what people don't realize is the different ego slots in the locker room for a professional athlete. Being a role player, you have to swallow your pride, do everything, have mental toughness, do what's best for the team when it may not be best for you.

and be that role guy and love doing that. The fullback going out and blowing out his head every day in practice, like knowing that he'll never touch the ball. But that's a big thing. Talk us through that transition mentally when you go from defensemen to fourth line fighter. And how does that transition go? Do you go to boxing camp or like how the fuck? So even when I was playing junior,

I liked handling my own business. Yeah. But that would be about five, six times a year. And normally against other guys who were playing more. So they weren't like just specifically heavyweight scrappers. So it was hard just because I was getting used to fighting these guys who like some guys were on steroids. And they were just a lot more experience, have been doing it since they were kids. So yeah, I took boxing lessons in the summertime and prepared as much as possible.

But it was hard. And at that time, like there was no social media. So you were getting, there was really no way to escape it. You'd get beat up. You'd get on the bus. You'd travel four hours that night to the next city. And you'd kind of just be sitting there in your seat, like half concussed, you know, wondering like, oh my God, I got to do this again tomorrow night.

And so it was a differently a transition and a hard process to start to understand. But it just taught me a lot about like adversity and how to deal with that type of stuff and really prepared me for what was to come for after my career. So great life lessons to learn, like getting the shit kicked out of yourself. Yeah. You got to walk us beat for beat on how a fight goes down in hockey. As casual, as casual, like, is it a fucking look? Is it, are you guys talking to each other on the ice?

Is it like just, is it just drop them and fucking go? What is this? Walk us through this. So the reason I love to do it the most was to protect my teammates, especially when they were being taken advantage of. And that was the one thing that made it a lot easier when I was going through all that. And, you know, fighting 30 times a year for the first time is how appreciative your teammates are. And so, you know, let's say one of our skill players gets ran by one of these types of players.

It's what? Ran. Like, let's say he goes back for a puck and that guy takes a run and, like, lays out a big hit on him. Like, there's nothing more than I want to get on the ice and go challenge that guy to get retribution for that hit. just throw through or if he's like slashing him and trying to take advantage of him. So that to me is where I would go on the ice, tap them on the shin pads and say, hey, let's go, motherfucker. Or maybe, you know, we are down 3-1 at home and, you know, the energy in the building

is flat and our guys aren't really going. I'm trying to provide a spark to our team. Like, let's get this fucking crowd into it and let's get going. That would be another time where I would line up at a face off and ask a guy to go. So most of the time, it was just tapping a guy in the shin pads and saying, hey, let's, let's throw down. And do they ever say now? Yeah.

Like typically if your team's ahead, you don't want to lose momentum. So you don't want to get the power play. You don't want to get penalty. Yeah, because especially if I'm chasing around the ice and I'm tapping them on the shin pads, then I would have gotten an instigator penalty. So you have to be a little bit more subtle about it where like you're like off a faceoff is when you just verbally say, hey, you want one. And half the time a guy whose team has a lead will be like, no, coach said no,

coach said no. And my coach would say the same thing. thing to me. He go, biz, we got all the momentum, leave it alone. And it sucked because sometimes the guy would be tapping you on the shin pad and kind of calling you out in front of your crowd. And some people, they don't give a fuck about the momentum. They paid for their ticket and they want to see people get their face punched in. So that sucked. But oftentimes then that guy, if he really wanted one, then he would take a run at one of my teammates. And then it was like, okay, now it's no more questions asked. We're fucking going. Yeah. Now what's the difference between

a fighter and an agitator because we just had Sean Avery on. Yes. And I just want to clarify. Talk about another guy who had a great transition out of playing. He's fucking doing another Nolan movie. He is, he is an unreal actor. He's very disciplined.

He's, he's part of my neighborhood watch for my daughter's house. He lives in the same neighborhood. And so you remember that TMZ, uh, TMZ video that came out of him yelling at the kid. Yes. That was right by my house.

No shit. He's gotten in a few Donny Brooks off the ice. He's gone to full of them. Yeah. Yeah. He, I love having them up there, but it makes my kid feel safe.

And he's doing all the jihitsu stuff too. Now he's doing jih Tzu. Yeah, he's like, he's too pretty to be an agitator though. He was, he was probably one of the best ever to, to agitate.

I mean, I know you had him on recently. He talked about the Broder stuff. Sean would say some insane shit to people on the ice. Like places that I would not go. Like, if, like,

if, yeah, just some of the shit he said, your jaw would drop and you'd be like, oh my God. I wouldn't want to be in a relationship if I was playing against Sean Avery. Like I might even divorce my wife before I played against him just to avoid the type of insults that he would throw.

But he was very good at, at like, picking his spots and then knowing when to rile the other team up and then not fighting. So he was a master of his craft. I don't think he left the league with a ton of friends, but I don't also think. think he gives a shit. He runs a tight ship. He's got a tight group and that's all he cares about. Yeah. So, so the fighter and the agitator is different. Yeah, like he, he was also a very good

player. When he focused on playing, I think he could, he was a very reliable third line player. And even in some cases, he could go up and down the lineup. Like, if you needed Sean to play on the first line for a night, he could fit in. Maybe not sustainably for a 20 game stretch. But for me, I was just more of a knuckle dragger where, I mean, the most minutes I ever played in the game, I'll never forget it. It was 11 minutes in Edmonton. I had two assists that game.

And I felt like I needed to be in a body cast the next day. Because even playing 11 minutes and keeping up to these world class athletes, like, that was just not my jam. So I was comfortable with my five to six minutes. Knuckle dragon, fourth line, dump it in, dump it out.

Hey, boys, change it up. Let's go. Are you watching film of fighting guys? guys that you potentially fight. Like I know this guy's, he's going to pull my jersey, probably give me a right hook or something. So fortunately enough for me at the time where I started doing it, like YouTube was a thing and then slowly social media started coming in. So I could study that way where the olden days,

they had to find like the VHS tapes and cutups. And also I started fighting in a time where like the American League actually probably had more of the tough guys than the NHL because they were slowly weeding out that. style in the NHL where now it's a lot more organic and there's not as many heavy weights. Like guys like Tom Wilson are still very efficient because they can play and their heavy weights. So fortunately for me when I was in the NHL, I wasn't having to scrap the old fighters of the

past where they would grab on and they would just go punch in a face match where there was no defense. None. It was. I watch it every time. Like these guys take fucking two or three off the face and just keep going. And I was more of a defensive fighter where you look back and I'm just so grateful. If I was playing in the 70s, like my nose would be on the other side of my head.

Yeah. And I probably would be like eating through a tube at this point. So just a different era. And I guess to answer your, going back to your question, the difference between an agitator is somebody who doesn't necessarily have to fight all the time, but can get under people's skin, play the game and also handle his business. Sure. Next, Biz explains his transition from him. the ice to the booth. And the next thing you know, I got hired to do NHL on TNT.

And I've been so grateful to just be a part of that whole franchise and the fact that the NBA guys like Shaq, Chuck, Ernie, all of them have kind of set the table and transformed the way that broadcast should be. Yeah. Like we're so much looser and able to snap it around at that pace because those guys had had done what they did, done what they did prior. and TNT and Turner is just a dream to work for. Now, you started in social media.

That's how everyone kind of found you. Then you jumped over into the mainstream and you work with TNT. How the fuck has that been? Because I'm in this world now too. And it's a fun world. How is it for you guys? So I don't think I would be on T&T if it wasn't for the Spit and Chickles podcast. So Rear Admiral, R.A., as we call him, him and Witt started the pod.

and Mike Grinnell, our producer, hopped on, and then it kind of evolved to what it was. Before I hopped on that, I actually started as a color guy with the coyotes after I retired. So doing the full game and talking for the three hours really prepared me for the podcast. Then the podcast got me the job with T&T because of the popularity that had grown from it. And also the fact that when I was playing with the coyotes, Wayne Gretzky was actually the coach before I got there. The market had gone down, so he kept his home. there and his two kids, Ty and Trevor, along with my good buddy, Joey Superstein, they were living in this mansion going to ASU. So I was going there and partying with them and we were throwing

these after hours like Tom Green would show up. It was just this crazy time in my life. And when the T&T gig came up, Wayne Gretzky was already hired. And when they were talking about people to add Ty and Trevor, his kids were like, dad, why don't you get biz on board? Like he's a fucking clown online. Like he would be awesome for the broadcast. Wayne's like, all right, and then he mentioned it to them. I went in for a trial and hit it off with Liam McHugh, who's an incredible bus driver. And then, yeah, he's an unreal bus driver. Like, this guy's motor's insane.

And then answered Carter, who'd already been doing it. And the trial went great. And the next thing, you know, I got hired to do NHL on T&T. And I've been so grateful to just be a part of that whole franchise. And the fact that the NBA guys, like Shaq, Chuck, Ernie, all of them have kind of set the table and transformed the way that broadcast should be. Yeah. Like we're so much looser and able to snap it around at that pace because those guys had had done what they done,

done what they did prior. And TNT and Turner is just a dream to work for. It's been first class and couldn't be more grateful. And it's so fun because I work at Fox and it's fun watching you guys. and for my experience, getting to go to work and see Howie Long, Terry Bradshaw, it gives you my football fix. Like everyone asks, don't you want to coach? I'm like, fuck no, those guys have no lives.

I still get my football fixed by going to work and talking old war stories with Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long, Michael Strayhan, all those guys, and have that locker room vibe. How's the locker room vibe with fucking your guys? Yeah, Gretzky. Like, how crazy is it? How is it to get to work with? the fucking great one every day. It's surreal. And my first year, especially because he was doing a little bit more. And I'm even shocked the fact that he's doing it. He's done so much as an ambassador for the

game. He does so much for the alumni. So the fact that we even get to be in his presence is incredible. And our first year before Rick Tocket, his good buddy had got a head coaching job with the Vancouver Canucks. After broadcast, we'd go back to their, whether it was Wayne or Rick's room. And they would just tell these stories for hours and hours. And so I'd be, I'd be up till 4.30 and I'd have a 6 a.m. car going, but I didn't care. I just wanted to be hearing these iconic stories that have transformed the game and, and stories that you hear about on television when they're breaking all down. But even, like, more of the incretacees, is that you said?

I'm not a board guy. I mean, either. Yeah, that's why I tried a big one. That's like four syllables. I should probably stick to my DNA, off the glass and out. The little details. That's what all. The details.

Yeah, little details. Even more so. So just to be around him and be in his presence, it's like I pinch myself all the time. He's the greatest to ever do it. And also the reason they call him the great one is not because of what he accomplished on the ice, but also what he's done off the ice.

Like there's no bigger guy. Like all he wants to do is help the former players, whether it's get them insurance and grow the game and just help everybody out in the hockey world and just an unreal ambassador for the game of hockey. He seems like just a nice guy. He is the man, dude. He's the man.

He looks like I've never met him. He's the best. He seems so cool. I'll tell him next time he's here. I bet you he would come on your podcast. I would love to have fucking Wayne Gretzky on the goddamn podcast. Because his kids help run his hockey school, his merchandise, so they're keeping it as a family business.

And they run his social. So he went on the Theo Vaughn podcast. So they'll be like, dad, go on this. And he'll be like, okay. So he just loves it. And he seems like a great family guy. That's like a, you know, we were very fortunate in our sport to have a great face guy too, like Tom.

You know, the guys that are faces of leagues and that are generational greats, they're not just that because they're great on the field or on the ice. It's because they're overall just great dudes, great humans. And that's why there's so much greater than everyone. Yeah. And exactly. And like going back, look at how much Tom's done for the game. You would think, man, go, go chill on a beach and go relax, go enjoy it.

And it's almost like he feels like he's indebted to the game based on what it's provided his life to continue to grow it and obviously to continue to be a part of it. And he just loves it. And you, yeah, and you could tell with all of them, it's just a fabric of their being. And, yeah, it's just. Because they respect the game and they understand, you know, you get a lot of these, a lot of people that, you know, I'm not letting the sport define me. the great ones do.

They understand that they're in debt to the sport because what the sport has given us. And you love that sport. You know what I mean? And that's what you see from those two specifically. What's it like watching a game with them? Is he breaking that shit down? Or what were you going to say?

Oh, yeah. That and also how it'll correlate to like just this insane monumental moment throughout hockey history. So that's the best thing with them. It's like goosebumps, goosebumps choose your own ending. He could bring it anywhere.

So getting to watch, he also sees it. Like, what's the term? He's almost like a savant. Yeah. So sometimes he'll like describe a plan. I'll be like, oh, yeah. Like, I don't know what the fuck he's saying. Are you kidding me?

Yeah, she should have dumped it in. But even to go back to Wayne and why he is the way he is, his father, Walter, like, he was an icon in himself. And probably a lot of the pressure that he took off Wayne when he was even going through it. and the fact that he was an ambassador in himself, whether he was signing autographs or doing media hits. Like he really pushed it upon Wayne to continue that, that ambassadorship and move the game forward.

And even to when Wayne was a child, his father was so innovative where he built a pond in his backyard. And he would be doing drills with tennis balls. And Wayne would be like, why am I doing drills with a tennis ball rather than a puck? And he'd say, because if you can control a tennis ball, your hands will be so soft. That way when the puck comes, you'll be able to cradle it so much smoother and softer than everybody else.

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I knew that I could never play in the NHL again when I played in an exhibition game when I was with the LA Kings organization. So I was in training camp. They did this like craft hockeyville game. And it was in like Vernon, B.C. So we traveled there. I got to play in the game and I was obviously playing fourth line. And you'd heard about this kid. And I think this was his first year. in the league and his first training camp. So I ended up getting caught out on the ice twice against him. And he grabbed the puck in his own end, went through our whole five guys and put it in. The second time he did it, he set somebody up and they scored.

So two times I got cut out against him and the speed in which he was skating and controlling the puck after the game. I'm like, I'm done. There's no way. And then sure enough, I got sent home the next day, like back down to the minors. So that was the end of it. And I knew that this game was being handed off to another level in which I didn't think. was ever going to be possible.

Jesus. It's exciting, though. It's so exciting. That's exciting for hockey because the leagues need one guy. Like, who's basketball's guy right now? Which is in a different form of fashion because they have a bunch of guys, but they're not like American guys so they can't build around. Hockey's in a different world where the hockey, I consider Canada and American guys, like,

for the North and America, you know what I mean? Yeah. where you can rally behind, at least in this country. Like, they don't have that in a lot of other sports right now. Hockey, you have a future. So not only McJesus, as we call him, but like Nathan McKinnon. McKinnon. Austin Matthews, too.

Austin Matthews, he had 69 goals last year. So then you got his predecessor, or he's got, you got his, you just got a couple little battles for. It's like, I feel like hockey is going into it's almost like it's glory days because of just the growth of the game. in the United States and given the population. They formed the development program here. So the American kids are the United States.

So they have this. Who'd they hire? I don't know who runs the, a lot of Canadian guys. There are a lot of Canadian hockey players that have settled in the states and probably a big reason as to why the minor programs in these different cities, whether it's Dallas, Florida,

that these kids are obviously being raised in the states as Americans. and the game is growing here. Yeah, Canadians do have a little part to do with it, but there's tons of amazing Americans. I heard John Barstel saying he said it was all Canada. I was, yeah, PMT is like, you never know where they're going. So I just kind of got off the rails with them.

So I had to take credit, especially during this time of the Four Nations and all the controversy between U.S. and Canada. But no, the game is in a great place and all these players are pushing the envelope, and especially the U.S. with how many great players they have. They have Jack Eichel. you just mentioned awesome Matthews they have some great defensemen even Canada like

kail mccar you see his picture on the screen he is yeah he's a UMass guy he Wayne grethes he just said the other day he goes biz he's the best thing uh like he's the biggest comparable to bob yore i've ever seen and that is very high praise he revolutionized the game as a defenseman yeah where he would just take the puck from his own end he'd skate through the team and and do whatever he did out there and kale mccar defensively and off is just an absolute phenom and living up to every expectation to. Quinn Hughes, he's an American. He's a waterbug out there.

So he won last year's Norris ahead of Kail McCar. So you almost like you have these battles going on between each of these positions, which is a good thing because it's just forcing them all to up their game. And on top of that, you have a storyline of the Hughes brothers. So this- fucking love that the hockey guy. There's so many goddamn brothers in the hockey leagues.

They have three of them that are all unbelievable. And they're all really, they're all like all stars. You got the Kachuk brothers who are now the modern day Bash brothers. Yeah. Bolton. Yeah. A hockey renaissance. Olympics next year too.

Huh? Olympics next year. This is really going to be that one two punch. Honestly. Yeah. They timed it up perfect with the four nation thing. Because now you got Olympics, which always gives fucking cheers and playoff hockey's coming up. So you're going to get this and this back off.

Betman gets so much flack. And I don't know if it's just a thing where like all the, all the guys who run the leagues, the commissioners get it. But as much as flack as he takes, he's done an exceptional job along with the league, the Players Association, the alumni to put it in a position where it is now. It'd been nine years since hockey had best on best for the COVID reason.

And then at one point, they just couldn't reach an agreement on an insurance situation. But yeah, you seem to know quite a bit of what's going on. Since 2010, since the Crosby Golden goal. Was there a World Cup, They did form a World Cup where they had like an under 25 team.

So it wasn't necessarily that traditional. But the fact that they did it, the first one in nine years, McDavid and Crosby were able to put on team Canada, Georgia, together. People want to act like it's a maybe like call an All-Star game or this makeshift event. But those are the four leading hockey nations outside of Russia. They're on timeout still.

They're still on time out. They, yeah, I don't, that's for other political reasons that I don't feel. really feel to dive into the weeds on. But they end up having this thing the year before the Olympics in order to kind of just really propel it and get people anticipated for what will be an incredible, incredible event in Italy.

So hockey is on a heater right now and it couldn't be in a better place. Crosby, I believe he will go down as a Mount Rushmore player. It's hard because the debate is, is you have Gordy Howe, you have Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, and Mario Lemieux. I don't know who you take off that list. And most people listening might say, you're not taking any of them off the list. Well, then we're chisling out a fifth.

Because Sidney Crosby and what he's able to do as a winner. And fuck, chisel on a six once he breaks the goal record. Like, I don't know. Like maybe you do a modern day version of it. And eventually Kail McCar will be on it because that's just how good he is. And then fucking Nathan McKinnon. Like you could argue as good as Connor McDavid. it is that Nathan McKinnon in the last two-year stretch is better.

He won the MVP last year. He's got his Stanley Cup. I believe he, did he win the Con Smythe or was a Kale McCar who got it? Let me look. Kale got it. But Nathan McKinnon might win another MVP this year. And to watch him play much like McDavid, he is ferocious. He gallops on the ice.

He will hit guys and he can do it all. I actually bang for buck would probably put McKinnon's slight edge favorite over who to watch more so than McDavid. No disrespect to Connor. Like I love Connor. I just like the fact that McKinnon, he's tapped like MJ.

Like he's the guy in the locker room. Like it doesn't matter if it's his best friend. If he doesn't think you're bringing it that day, he'll be like, what the fuck are you doing? Move the fucking puck. And like that's just, just how he is. He's the dog. He's the dog and everybody has to match his intensity.

Next, Biz talks about how Sidney Crosby saved hockey. Sid would come to the rink every day and the way that he would prepare, the way that he would be so focused when the drill was being drawn up, he would be the first guy in line. He would set the tone to every single drill and if the level wasn't at the level, he would be barking. You were a part of the organization right at the start of the Crosby, Gino-Latang flower. Yeah. Can you just, can you, in the organization, in the building, could you see that was coming?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was kind of like I'm sure that you dealt with Tom. That was my first experience with playing with a guy who was obsessed with the game. And Sid would come to the rink every day and the way that he would prepare, the way that he would be so focused when the drill was being drawn up. He would be the first guy in line. He would set the tone to every single drill. And if the level wasn't at the level, he would be barking.

And even if I was the second guy in line, Gino, Evgeny Malcon, he'd come in and he'd be like, Biz, back in the line, we're fucking setting the tone. So to watch Evgeny Malcon, Crosby, Mark Andre Fleuray, who's still playing. All of them are playing. It's crazy. Letang and the enthusiasm they also brought to the rink.

You just knew that it was just a matter of time before they hoisted the cup and really saved the team from probably moving. So. But they were going to move the penguins. Don't they love the penguins in Pittsburgh? It was just a dark time, right? Like it was one of the, isn't that like one of the most historic? Yeah, because of Mario and Yager and what they'd done.

But, you know, unfortunately, they were reaching their dog days. Mario was retiring. And that lottery ball where they won and they got Sidney Crosby changed at all. And then the following year, they got Malkin. And actually the year before. that it was my draft when they ended up picking mark andre flurry at number one overall so they were fortunate enough to get those spots in the draft but they didn't yeah jordan stall was huge he was a great third line center for them at a young age when they ended up winning it so it was just a perfect time and

actually what was cool about it um the year that i was drafted was o three and i got to go to training camp where it was one of mario's if not his last year so i got to do training camp with mario lemieux and share the ice. I was so fucking nervous. I was in his group in training camp, and I'll never forget, we were doing this easy drill where the defenseman rounds the net,

and at this time I was still a D, and all you had to do was hit the winger along the wall. It was a 15-foot fucking pass, and I rounded the net, and it was Mario, and I missed them by about 20 feet, and they had to blow down the drill, and we had to restart, and I was so embarrassed.

Did he say anything? Like, what's up, kid? No, no. He was so cool about it. And, you know, it was Eddie Olchie. was the coach at the time. And so thankfully the next time I did it, I hit his tape. But I'll never forget, he must have had a golf match after the practice.

And we didn't have the scrimmage that day. So normally you bag skate when you don't. You know what a bag skate is? And to practice, like line up, no pucks, just conditioning. Yeah, liners. And, yeah, Edzo was our coach at the time. Again. He was like, all right, boys, great practice, great pace today.

We're just going to do a little skate. And then Mario's like, hey, and he's like, gives us a, the now we're good and the edzo was like great practice today boys enjoy yourself play rebound if you want and uh have a great day and that was i was like i was like i was like i'd never seen anything like that and just mario's aura and and seeing them around was was uh just like something i'll never forget so my time in pittsburgh as much as it was in the miners and uh and even the eCHL um i was just grateful to spend that little a time around those legends you got to be around some fucking legends legends legends i'll never forget

You're still around legend. You're a legend. So, no, the, Afghani Malkin, that was the year, I want to say he might have won the cons, that first year. And he won the heart too, I think. Yeah, he was just on fire.

And when you do an entry level contract in the NHL, you're able to get bonuses. So that following training camp, I was still on the team and we're riding the bike. And then this Frank Bonomo, who was like the PR guy, he comes off and drops an envelope. And you could see once he opened it,

Afghani Malikin's face lit up. And I was like, what's going on over there? And he handed it over. And it was like a million dollar check that he'd gotten for all those bonuses. And I was playing in the A at the time making peanuts. And I just like, I'll never forget.

And I think a few days later, his 9-11 poor showed up. Like this guy is just zipping around town. They'd no way a cop would pull him over because they probably knew it was Gino. So just just live in legends and a silly time in my life. Oh, my. You ever around when his parents would show up? I was not there, but that was when the iconic series that he had against the Carolina

Hurricanes. Oh, that backhanded goal. When he had the hat trick that game and he scored that wraparound goal, he went around the net and then he just like did like a spinnerama backhand top cheese and his mom's crying in the stands and everybody's like chanting, Gino, Gino. And yeah, I actually, unfortunately, I was in the A at the time then and we were in playoffs. And I got hit ass over tea kettle. So I had a guy hit me low and high.

And it just so happens, the guy who hit me high, he stepped on my wrist. And so I was in getting surgery because they cut my like tendons and my nerves. Yeah, you could die that way. They say usually if you want to kill yourself, slit your wrists. But I got up and I saw the person in the front row. So we were in a playoff series against the Hershey Bears. And their NHL team was the Washington Capitals. And Pittsburgh was playing Washington in the state.

second round. That was always the biggest rivalry. It was OV and Sid where they would have the HACR games and it would go to game seven. It was like so good for the game. These guys carried the league forever. And so I was in the A. I got my wrist stepped on and I got up and I could see the people in the front row grabbing their mouth being like, oh my God. And I had blood on my jersey. So I'm like patting my head looking at my hand. Like what's bleeding? And then I look at my other hand and it just squirt no blood. And we had a medic on the team who'd went to like, I forget what war it was. Like,

like, one of, one of them were, Desert Storm. Yes, one of those where he, that was like the least of what he'd seen. So fortunately,

I went down the tunnel with a thread and needle. He closed it off. I was able to get to the hospital and they shipped me off to Pittsburgh. So I was there for that series for a couple games when they were playing against Washington. That was that iconic series. So,

a hat trick game? The dueling hat trick, I want to say was in Washington, but I was watching it on a TV. when I was in Pittsburgh. And then they ended up coming back to Pittsburgh for, I think it was like game six or something like that. So just a crazy time to be in the Pittsburgh organization.

What was the energy like in the old iglo? The eagle was unbelievable and the acoustics were perfect. As shitty as the dressing rooms were and whatever, the facility, who gave a fuck? It was iconic. And I didn't care just because of the vibe in that arena. It was awesome. they had to tear it down, but, you know, I don't like the way they build these new rinks. There's not enough character, in my opinion.

I like when they do them a little different. Jeez. But, yeah, I know we kind of got off the rails there from this. No, thank you for humoring me. You're the first penguin on our show. We're almost in 100 episodes. So thank you. Yeah, no, it was, like I said, very blessed.

He's from Massachusetts and the guy's a penguins fan. I like the animal. And my penguins, my parents, like, spent some time in Pittsburgh. They live in Swickley for a little bit. Yep. That's for Sidlips. Mario and it was Yager. My number growing up as he grew up rich.

I was in the middle. Yeah, Mario was another guy just like Gretzky where they would have been very close in points if he stayed healthy and he didn't deal with the cancer and the back issues. And like Mario was just badass, man. He would show up.

Like I don't know how much training he was doing in the off season. Rippin heaters. He'd be ripping heaters and fucking go out there like two goals to assist. Like it was easy. How big of a legend are you? You know, I see it a lot with these hockey guys. guys, man. I went out. I just remember going out

with you guys and you guys would have a game the next day. I would be in like off-season training, like stressing like, man, I'm not going to be able to run tomorrow for team run. These guys go out and fucking play hockey the next day. He'd be dialed. Savages. Now, Biz talks about the hockey game

that broke the internet. In one sentence, why did you pick this game? Well, I kind of want to pick both. Not only the championship game, but the round-robin game that had three fights in the first nine seconds. We can kind of go all over the board. But what an amazing time for hockey right now.

It's just on an absolute heater. Not only the four nations, but now all of a sudden you go back to regular season and Oveccien gets a hat trick and his second game back after the break where he's 13 goals away from breaking Wayne Gretzky's goal record. Who would have ever fucking thought?

I'm not a hockey guy and I never even thought that would happen. Yeah, there you go. That's why I just feel like there's so many casual sports fans right now. that have become addicted to hockey just based on the, you know, the energy that guys are putting into it, you know, how they're so relatable. And of course, just the action. It's 82 games, but guys show up, much like football guys. It's like they put on the gear and they're ready to go. And regardless of it being a quote unquote, all-star format at the Four Nations, these guys were scrapping for each other's countries. Was this the greatest game of all time? So I would say that this championship game will go down at least as, one of my favorites. As far as a rating standpoint, it was the most viewed non-Olympic game in

hockey's history. So for what it did for the game and the way that it just kind of reached out for our sport, I would probably put it as my number one at this point. That might be recency bias. A lot of people might be shaking their head, but I can't off the top of my head think of a more anticipated game in my lifetime. As a casual puckhead, I couldn't agree with you more. cultural impact of this specific game. I mean, we're not even going to get to see how big it's going to create because we're so fucking fresh off of it. But like that put the All Star Week in basketball, it like slapped that down like it was like

the stepson, the redheaded stepson. And it also, it made me as a football player be disappointed in our All Star game and and our pro-bull shit, whatever, our activities. And it has to do with how the players came out and fucking showed up, man. It's one thing I've always admired about the hockey boys. Yeah. Like, they're just, they're fucking a bunch of group of dudes that like to work hard, drink beer, fuck with each other, bust balls, hate each other in between the ice,

but then be able to enjoy a pine after, man. This was fucking awesome. Hockey culture is a very special place. And even the reason I'm in town is because I play with the LA King's organization. They had a 10-year anniversary for our Calder Cup win in the minors. But it just so happens that they threw this charity event. In the last four weeks, they put it together. And it was for all the victims of the fires, people who have been displaced from their homes.

Obviously, the first responders in L.A.F.D. So they were able to do this. So just the hockey community coming together along with celebrities. It's just an awesome culture. And it's continuing to thrive. And it just so happens. It was on NBA All-Star weekend. So I just feel like all the worlds collided where everybody wanted to shit on the NBA

and maybe some of their star's attitude towards showing up for the full 82 game season. And then the way that hockey really treated this Four Nations face off. So it was an incredible, incredible event. And as I, were you dialed in the whole time? Like, did you watch the full 60 minutes of the final? I watched. I watched the first two goals. and I was sidetracked

and then I got back into overtime and I saw fucking McJesus I mean he didn't even do anything all game and I don't know it that well I'm what were you sidetracked with I was I don't know I think I was like eating a burrito or I feel like you have

ADD like me right terrible I think you were sending memes I think you were sending memes during the third period I was maybe setting memes about the game to my friends talking shit like you guys had in the bag to all my fucking Native Friends, we got this.

Yeah, it didn't work out. No, no, it didn't. I mean, those, that three-fight game, that put in everyone's radar, what the fuck is this Four Nations thing? And the fact that, like, you know, football's over, right? Football's a juggernaut. There's no taking viewership away from that.

But after the Super Bowl and not really much going on with the NBA, I mean, other than like the shitty All-Star game they got going, everybody's just craving some type of sport. So the timing of it all, was just perfect for the NHL. And by the start of the game to the end of the game, it was the conversation on Twitter. It's all anybody was talking about,

even if they knew nothing about hockey. They were just so invested in the hatred between USA and Canada, which at this point, you could obviously put the Russians, the Swedes and the Finns at the top of the list, but the two leading hockey nations in the world right now are in North America and it's exciting times.

All right. Let's break down the game. This team USA team will be quick with it. We get him led by Mike Sullivan, the 23rd. man roster had a solid mix of vets and young bucks. This team featured two sets of brothers and six sets of NHL teammates. Notable dudes, Austin Matthews, the Chuck's,

Jack Eichel, Jake Gunsell, Connor Hellebuck and Charlie McAvoy. It's an all-star team, so there's more names. It's an all-star team, but we didn't have our best all-stars out there because McAvoy had a fucking shoulder thing. What's this? You got an infection? Yeah, so from according to the Boston Bruins,

they released a statement. I don't know if they were necessarily crazy about how it was handled. so it escalated to now where he's going to miss more time. They said it was an affection in his shoulder. That's the only details that I got. This is the shit that can get the All-Stare games fucked up. Your start player goes down. Yeah.

Yeah, you don't want that happening. You know what I mean? This is the only, this is why this is what all the other people are going to say. Like, this is why the other leagues don't play their best players all the time. I think it would be short-sighted to not understand what this did for the game. that is part of the discrepancy and why the owners push back on doing the Olympics. The Olympics don't pay the NHL anything

to use their resources. So these owners are worried about these guys going and all of a sudden you got a guy like Jack Hughes, well, what if he goes down where you're trying to make a playoff push with the New Jersey Devils? So I thought in a perfect world, there maybe could be some financial kickback considering what hockey is doing for the Olympics

or these one-off events. but I guess the viewership and the exposure to the game should be enough. Now, how do you describe this U.S. team? Unreal. They got a little bit of everything. The biggest thing about the U.S. is the guys

that they still have coming up, right? And there's a lot of young guys on this roster, like Brock Faber, very young defensemen for the Minnesota Wild, where if you would have watched and play, you would have been like, this guy's a 30-year-old season vet. Another guy, Jacob Slavin. Like, these guys are,

were not household names before this tournament who were just exceptional, exceptional players. Zach Worensky's still young. Quinn Hughes, I want to think, I think he's like, what, 25 years old? He's not that old, maybe 26. So that's what really stands out to me is just where USA hockey is heading and the guys that they have on this roster. What's prime age for hockey? It might be like this with football, but it's slowly going down or, sorry, quickly moving like down and age. I would say prime would probably be about 28 years old now.

Same. I'd say that. That's when I was at my athletic prime. Yeah. 28, 29, 28. It's when your man strength hits your knowledge. Yeah. Yeah. That's pretty much the peak. And I think that U.S. are really hitting that stride. The only thing about Canada now is is Sidney Crosby's on the back nine. So that really sucks. Brad Marshaw's on the back nine. So really this and the Olympics. Those face killer will be a no, yeah, exactly. will be a passing of the torch more so for the Canadians than the Americans. And we did touch on the Russians. Political climate aside, I think it would be a travesty if Russia was not able to compete in the next Olympics and hockey.

Just because of when Crosby and Ovechkin came in the league, there was so much expectation. And these guys have carried the league for 20 years. and you would be able to have Malkin, Ovechkin, Bovrovsky, and some of these older Russian players who have carried the torch for them handing it off to the Capri Soves and the next wave of Russian player and much like Canada. So to not have them involved as a top five hockey nation would suck specifically for the hockey topic. Like sometimes when I say that on a podcast like ours, you'll see people commenting like, there's a reason they're not involved. It's like, bro, I don't know what the fuck is going on with all this warfare and political bullshit.

You don't know, I got my grade 10. I'm like fucking Ricky from trailer park boys for crying out loud. Like I got 3% on my grade 11 math exam. I failed my states and capitals test for crying out loud. So like, don't look at me for that. I just want to see good hockey played. Canada or of U.S. U.S. It's understandable.

You're not from here. Yeah. Right. Thank you. Thank you for back. That's understandable. Yeah. You're a great guy.

I mean, there'd be like, I would tell you there's probably 50% of the NFL that doesn't know all the states. Or can read. And to be fair, I'd probably fail my territory and province a test too if we had it in Canada. So, yeah,

not the sharpest knife in the drawer. And also going back to my concussions, a lot of CT here. It's a great thing to blame. I love it's it's a good card as an ex-athlet. Do you usually let roll out on that one. Forget a name? Yeah.

I had an head for a living for 12 years. Four syllable word. C-T-E. C-T-E. Yeah. C-T-E. Yeah, C-T. No, I meant going back to my word earlier. C-T-C-T-E.

How do you describe this Canada team? Well, on Team Canada led by John Cooper. As usual, this is a heck of a roster led by Vets, Sidney Crosby, Brad Marchon, along with three lightning players. Forward's for Stack, Connor McDavid, Nathan McKinnon, Mitch Marner, goaltender, Bennington, just the Binnington kid. I thought he was, I was watching that game.

He had like four or five saves that I was like, this game should be over. Yeah. He had some like unreal saves in overtime and late in like the third, I think. Did he not? Oh, yeah. They looked like they were open nets. I mean, he just fucking swiped that thing.

You're bang on. And I don't know how many people listening know his story. kind of like my trajectory where he got in a little bit of trouble and, and, you know, was down in the ECHL and AHL and that eventually he got recalled halfway through the year, the year that St. Louis won the Stanley Cup. And he just went on this incredible tear. And he's actually named after Michael Jordan.

His father named him after Michael Jordan. And he just kind of has that, that pedigree where the bigger the moment, the bigger he plays. And he won game seven in the Boston Garden. And then, you know, since then has had a great career, but really thrives under pressure and those moments where his regular season numbers might not be the best. But if you got one game and you need a goalie in that, that's who I'm picking for Team Canada. Not cutting time.

That's the guy. That's the guy. The bin nasty, they call him the snowman. I don't need to go into that. But he's got a lot of fun nicknames and he's absolute character off the ice. Going up top to John Cooper, obviously, you want a couple of guys. Cups with the Tampa Bay Lightning. I would compare him to like hockey's version of Phil Jackson.

Not, you know, 10 championships, but so well spoken, so methodical, unreal on the mic, an incredible motivator, and just really knows how to manage the egos.

Yeah. You know, who's the team asshole? Um, I would say that Marshawn plays a perfect villain and is a guy who, from a veteran state, standpoint and the fact that he doesn't have to carry the weight as so much of a player in that locker room that we're looking at right now, he's the guy who probably handles all the media

and settles the guy down the best and is also chirping the most on the bench. You don't want, you don't want Connor or McKinnon having to worry about Josh and with the other team. You want to have guys who are de factoes and guys taking the focus away from that. I thought Hegel did an incredible job against fighting Matthew Cachuk, even though he's a little bit undersized, and handle himself well in the media as well. So Canada had its dogs in the lineup. How do you sum up this rivalry, Canada, U.S. now? It's got to be at the highest it's ever been. I think that hockey is going to do insane numbers at the Olympics in Italy. I also think that this experience of controlling the best on best tells me that the NHL doesn't need

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