Games with Names - “Ricky’s Record” with Ricky Williams | 1998 Week 11: Texas vs. Texas A&M

Episode Date: November 29, 2022

On today’s episode, we go back to a record shattering performance in college football. It’s the 1998 edition of Texas vs. Texas A&M aka “Ricky’s Record.” We see what was going on in November 1998 (4:23). We get into the teams, the game, and the stacked 1998 Big 12 (12:25). Ricky joins the show to go deep on this memorable rivalry game and his life in football (26:34). Jules & Sam talk legacy and score this game (1:00:10).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Two minutes left in the first quarter. Ricky Williams bursts through the line. He cuts to the left. He breaks a tackle. He's down the first quarter. Ricky Williams bursts through the line. He cuts to the left. He breaks a tackle. He's down the sideline. This is Ricky's Record. Welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. I'm Julian Edelman. I Sam Morrell We're here to find the greatest games of all time Energy

And today on this beautiful podcast day We got Texas versus Texas A&M Who was ranked 6th this year In 1998 And our guest Ricky Williams I can't wait Legend

Maybe the greatest college football player of all time insane first reactions when i think of this second to last game of the season this guy's not even supposed to be playing this year because he could have got drafted number one the year before probably he's got 44 carries too too much it's like you ever you ever see uh we're talking about this is this ethical to put a running back through this? In this day and age, I guess, I mean, there was no ethics. This was 98. No ethics.

Zero. Ethics are new. We just discovered ethics. No, but it's like, we ever see a movie and they have like a child actor and they're like, you can't do more than eight hours or whatever. There's limits. There should be over 40 carries. I guarantee Macaulay culkin had

more than eight hours a day and home alone also that was also in the 90s for sure he also hung out with michael jackson which would not be allowed in today's age i don't think probably frowned upon frowned upon at least probably frowned upon this hits so close to the heart for me because in 1998 i was like a little kid i was 12 years old and everyone always heard about bo jackson how this guy was unstoppable to sport athlete and then you throw on these games every saturday and i didn't really watch texas but you knew ricky williams yeah this guy was like averaging 193 yards a game running running up and down the field, jumping over guys, running over guys, out running guys. He's like 235 pounds. He runs a 438 back in 98. Like he's honestly one of the most dominant football players that ever played on

Saturday. Yeah. It's insane. And I'm so excited to hear his story, how he felt because it's pretty, it's pretty well known that Ricky loved college football. And he loved a little bit of this right here. He, he, he, little,

little Mary J. Little devil's lettuce never hurt nobody. And we're going to hear about that from old Ricky himself. But to get back to this game, man, like 44 carries, 272 yards, one touchdown. In this game, he beats Tony Dorsett's record. He only needed like 68 yards, smashes it.

And like the story is, Mack Brown says, I don't want you smashing it on a little run. You got to break a big run. He does it on like a 68-yarder. I mean, it really is mind-blowing. It's mind-blowing. It's like when Jeter got his 3,000th career hit as a home run. Wade Boggs did that too.

Pretty badass. Always back to a New York thing, huh? Boggs did it in Tampa. It's not always New York. Yeah. And Boggs is a Yankee and a Red Sox. I was trying to bring some unity here. All right, we're bringing unity.

And Jeter. I mean, who doesn't? I mean, it's Jeter. He's fucking cool. I'm telling you. He's fucking awesome. Jeter, we know you're listening. Come on Games with Names.

So many games to talk about. The gift bag? Is it real? Is it not real? Do you think he gift bags women on the way out? He's a married man now. He's a married man. Yeah, but we're talking about old school Jeter. I don't know.

He seems like a gentleman. Have you ever gift bagged a woman? No. Absolutely not. What a weird thing to just... I am a father of a daughter. A woman's leaving Julian's place and she just takes a bag out. Entourage season four on DVD.

What the hell? The hell are we doing? It's Entourage movie, Sam. It's a movie. You were in the movie. Entourage was good. It's not as good as the Joker, but let's live back into this day in 1998. Number one movie, Bugs Life.

Never saw it. I heard it's great. I was an ants. I saw ants because of Woody Allen. Yeah. I saw Bugs Life recently. I was like half up, half asleep. Me and my daughter watched it.

It's pretty good. I heard it's great. And then I remember going to Disney World and they had like a Bugs Life ride or something. I haven't been in years. But I remember that was like a cool thing. Who did Ants? That wasn't Disney? The DreamWorks, I think.

Yeah. I remember Woody. Too bad Woody Allen wasn't attracted to Ants instead of wasn't Disney? DreamWorks, I think. Yeah, I remember Woody. Too bad Woody Allen wasn't attracted to Ants instead of his stepdaughter, and he wouldn't have been canceled, I guess. If only he had an Ants attraction. Jack, what do we got? Yeah, Ants was DreamWorks. Yeah, Ants was good. I've heard Bugs Life is better.

I guess there's a lot of hidden stories. What do they call that? There's a lot of metaphorically-type speaking. There's metaphors of metaphorically type speaking. Just metaphors, right? Yeah. Yeah, well, number one song, Doo-Wop, Lauryn Hill. Great, great, great album.

I mean. I love Lauryn Hill. I got to see her live in 2012 at an Espy's party. And I don't know. She's just fucking cool. She's got a vibe about her. There's that one song. I'm trying to think of how it goes. Because I don't know if the song name's great, but I can start singing the jingle.

Give me a little of it. Well, I loved her in the Fugees, too. Oh, yeah. Ready or not. Yeah, the Fugees. But we'll have to get back to it. We'll get back to it. We'll get back to it.

Remember this. The Powerpuff Girls premieres on Cartes on cartoon network cartoon network had all the bangers dexter's laboratory they had johnny bravo they were they had some heat i i didn't i wasn't a power puff girls thing but i remember i wouldn't think that'd be weird if he if he was like i was a bubbles person julian i like bubbles but you did you not remember seeing, like every, we were like 12 at this time. Yeah. Every girl had Powerpuff, like, backpacks. They were cool.

It was like, that was like a thing. That's what I remember. Final season of Seinfeld was on the air. Brutal. R.I.P. R.I.P. Seinfeld. What went out, you know, look, Larry David was gone those last two seasons. It was probably

time to wrap it up but but one of the best shows if not the best show it's just all time it's like the ultimate show when you have nothing to watch and you and you because it takes me like 45 minutes a to find out what i want to watch b another 45 minutes to find out what i'm going to order if i if i'm having struggles i I just throw on Seinfeld. You get in, you get out. It's great background. Oh, the laugh. It's just.

Especially those seasons like three through seven, you're just getting the heat. Look, the whole show is great, but those are like the, we talk about that, just pure fire. Viagra got the FDA approval approval earlier in 98 remember that jake gyllenhaal movie which one it was a rom-com no it was a rom-com where he was like a viagra pharmaceutical sales guy and hathaway was in it love and other drugs love and other drugs never saw it it was fucking good jake gyllenhaal rarely disappoints. I feel like he's got a great, he's got like an underrated body of work.

He's got like good stuff. I like Jake Gyllenhaal. He's got like a cool vibe. Zodiac is great. Zodiac. And then he had what, Neighbors? He had, I loved October Sky. Never saw it.

What? That was like such a feel good movie. Like, I'm going to invent a rocket and get out of this coal mining town. Yeah. Rocket, Viagra metaphors throughout this episode. I mean, real motherfuckers weren't waiting for the FDA approval. They were like, I got 50 to 60 boners left in my life. I'm jumping on it. Yeah, you got to jump on it. Who's waiting for FDA approval? they sell this shit at gas stations well now now this is 98 we're talking we're talking 98 you know and it brings me back horny goat weed you remember that shit yeah i i do have i told the story yet about my dad on his

anniversary absolutely not if it's related to horny goat weed we have not heard it's it's it's related to my first time ever seeing a viagra pill whoa so my parents it's related to horny goat weed, we have not heard it. No, it's related to my first time ever seeing a Viagra pill. Whoa. So my parents, it's their anniversary, April 14th. So they're going on like a little weekend trip. And they leave the house. And so my parents left the house. I would always go up and use their bathroom.

You know, full just like living lavish in their bed. My dad runs in. I'm like i'm like oh shit my dad's here he runs and goes into like the closet and he's scrambling through the drawer like what the fuck is this guy looking for he goes out and i'm looking at him he looks at me he pulls out a blue pill he kisses it puts it in his pocket and says son hopefully you don't know what this is until you're about my age oh wow and i it confused me i didn't know what it was until like literally like nine years later or eight i was like oh that your first taste of peds that was your first taste r PEDs. That was your first taste.

Ronnie Harrison said the same thing to me in the locker room. He kissed a needle and said, hopefully you don't know what this is, Julian. Then injected it in his ass. Oh, Sam, the banter goes. Here we go. Major global events now. What do we got?

Jesse Ventura, the chin. Yeah. Was elected as the governor of Minnesota. Great cameo. He was great in The Predator. He was a huge step for actors slash pro wrestlers getting into politics. And Running Man. Was he in Running Man?

Running Man's great. I love that movie. Schwarzenegger? Badass. That's like, that like paved the way for like hunger games right i mean running man that's what i thought hunger games was based off of when i saw hunger i didn't know it was on a book yeah or did the book hunger games come out after running man who knows yeah running man was a great movie schwarzenegger had had a had an epic run in the 80s oh 80s

to like mid 90s another governor schwarzenegger another the governator the governator and uh man bill burr used to have the best bit on uh on schwarzenegger about like this of course this guy thought he could get away with cheating like look look what he accomplished like look he comes to this country he he becomes an actor in a language he could barely speak that was like the whole bit of course he thought he would just keep conquering everything was a i'm butchering the bit but look up the bill burr schwarzenegger he's conan course yeah man true lies is one of my faves too twins twins classic and there was like another one off of twins that was kind of like where he

got pregnant that's when it started terminator well the terminators i mean let's they're epic terminator 2 hands down it still holds up terminator 2 it's like a rare it's a rare time where the sequel's better than the original original 100 is there anything else like that maybe god some people argue godfather 2 i i lean one but two you do have deniro and pacino but one But one of you, Brando. I like two for Godfather. And then I also get, like, I'm not trying to flex or anything, but I did just see Top Gun 2. This isn't going to be a flex by the time this comes out, but we are taping this in advance.

When this comes out, everyone's going to be like, yeah, we all saw it, Julian. But I haven't seen it yet, so I am jealous. And I might put out there it's better than the first. And I'm a Top Gun guy. I've heard it's a better movie rooster and goose baby don't tell me don't give it away but val kilmer does make a cameo right full cameo fuck i shed i shed a tear i love val kilmer i cried did you a little damn it hit me in a like it really did because you know everything that he's going through you know his documentary if you haven't seen his incredible val it's on amazon it's

worth a watch i gotta check it out he's he's had a he's had a cool life i mean ice man ice man dude he's ice man bro let's get into the teams we got the 1998 texas longhorns nine and three coached by mac brown in his first year they had had some big wins at Nebraska, who is No. 7, and Texas A&M. Notable losses at UCLA, No. 6, Kansas State. Ricky Williams breaking the rushing record is really what this is all about, though. That's exactly because we haven't seen a Texas team compete like this or even the teams that were big-time teams since this period in in life I mean UCLA's number six beating them they beat Nebraska number seven I mean college football has changed so much but this is the college football I remember and specifically

with Ricky Williams running up and down that field with the Texas Longhorns, I mean, he kind of reminded me of, like, modern day, at that time, Bo Jackson. Yeah. He even played baseball. Jack, what do we got on baseball? Two-sport guy. Ricky played four years of minor league baseball. Wow. Martinsville, two years for the Piedmont Bow Weevils,

and then a year in Low A in Batavia. Where's that? Nope, that doesn't... That is the Batavia Muck Dogs in 1998. Is it named after the yogurt? The Muff Dogs. The Muff Dogs. Muck Dogs.

Oh, we have dirty minds here. Jesus. The Muff Dogs. This is their celebration. Yeah, and a fun fact. I actually saw Ricky in his days with the Bow Weevils, man. I think I got to meet Ricky. Did you?

I was about four or five. Oh, wow. I just remember Ricky. You were a baby. Bursting through the tight baseball pants with those big old thighs. Yeah. He looked so strong. Oh, my God.

Yeah, a baseball polyester can't hold a dude like that. No way. Could you imagine hitting him some pinstripes? He would have looked beautiful. But this game in particular was the game where he beats the all-time career

record for yards with 6,082. Needed 63 to beat Tony Dorsett. Goes out and does that on a, on like a 68 yard touchdown gets the record wins. The Heisman this year was supposed to leave the year before. Like this tells you with all these, these little stories you hear about him at Texas, which we're going to try to get into. This guy just loved college football.

Yeah. I mean, how do you turn down? Can you ever, can you relate to this at all? Turning down a shot to go to the NFL to go back to college? I was never good enough in college to even think that way. So like, no, it's crazy. And especially with what we're seeing nowadays, you know, you're seeing guys sit out bowl games that don't want

to get here if they're not in a contending bowl game so they don't hurt their draft stock or put the miles on them this guy had 44 carries in a game 44 carries i mean some notable names it just shows how different the game is too games different and so is the player the player is different i mean in a in a good way. Guys are getting paid. Guys are getting out there and making their money. And that's what happens when you live in a capitalist government. Yeah. Some notable, notable names on Texas.

Major Applewhite. Got to be one of the coolest names. For sure. The name you butchered, right? Yeah, I butchered that name. When you gave a speech to the team? Yeah. What do you call them, Applewood?

I called them Applewood. I think we talked about it earlier, but they wanted me and Amendola during the Super Bowl in Houston to come talk to their team. We go in there. It gives me an insane introduction. And I go, thanks, Coach Applewood. Whole team fucking starts laughing. It was pretty bad. Quentin Jammer played against him.

He was a stud. Late. He played a long time. Got to be one of the best corner names. You got to jam you. Jammer. Great porn name, great corner name, whatever you want. The Jammer.

So the season narrative. Yeah. Coming off a 4-7 season, Ricky was pretty much the entire offense of that year in 97, but also in this year. This year they go out, they get way better. They're 9-3, go out and play in the Cotton Bowl, win over Mississippi State.

Ricky beats all the records, wins the Heisman, sends off Mack Brown and Texas to come into what they become over that next period of time where I think they got a natty or two. And, you know, he ends his college career with 6,592 yards, 75 touchdowns. That, like, just thinking about that many touchdowns hurts my neck. Like, this dude played so much. That's three seasons. He had more touchdowns in three seasons.

I know it's college, and I had him, I think, my whole NFL career. That's fucking nuts. That's too much. There's too many carries in college. His goal, he wanted to play really good at college level. Jules clocked in at 36 career receiving touchdowns. Thanks, Jack. You just humbled me even more.

It's impressive. I think it's impressive. I was a third down guy. Yeah. You got to move the chains and score touchdowns. Clutch guy. That's my guy, Jack. Three Super Bowls right here, dude.

Three Super Bowls. Let's get over these Texas A&M Aggies. Their record was 11-3, coached by R.C. Sloancombe. We got a pronunciation on that, Jack? I believe it's Sloancombe. Sloancombe. Sloancombe, jammer. Opposite of a premature ejaculator.

A Sloancombe. Big wins. They beat cum. Big wins. They beat No. 2 Nebraska. Nebraska got beat by both these teams. 25 Texas Tech, 13 Missouri, Kansas, KSU, No. 2. Lost to Florida State and Texas. That's crazy. The Big 12.

They were in the Big 12 at the time. They have some powerhouse teams at this at this time in the history of college football and some huge names on this team. Who they got? I mean, Dante Hall. That's a name. No, the video game, the human joystick. Yeah.

One of the best, probably arguably the best punt returner in the history of the game. Oh, my God. He was fun to play with in Madden. Insane. He was literally a human joystick. We also got Dan Campbell. You know Dan. I don't know him, but I covered him this last year.

This is the head coach of the Detroit Lions who said, if we get him down or they break us down, we're going to try to get back up. And then when we're trying to get back, we're going to try to get back up. And then when we're trying to get back, we're going to bite off a kneecap. I believe that's the quote he literally said to the media. Hey, tough guy. I love it.

That win too, from Dallas, that win the linebacker. I remember him. He was a good player. He was insane. And you always rooted for him. Cause he was like the only Asian player you ever saw in the NFL.

For sure. I'm a minority in the league as a skilled position white guy. And then you see a guy over here, Asian. I'm like, holy fuck, that's hella sick. It was gnarly. You went with white guy over Jew? You're skilled position Jew. That's even more impressive.

We get lumped in. I don't think there should be a lumping. I think you should, Jew. How many other wide receivingreceiving Jews are there? That's the anti-Semitism in this society. Yeah. Most people just lump us in when we're our own. I mean, if that's as anti-Semitic as it gets, we're doing great.

They're just lumping us in. We're like, you anti-Semite, letting us fit in with the rest of society. Edelman, when I, I mean, I didn't know at first. I just thought, oh, Edelman. I was like, there's no way know at first i just thought oh edelman i was like there's no way he's jewish and i looked i was like oh shit he's jewish yeah i thought it was cool it's gotta be we talking current guys yeah uh josh rosen um uh michael dunn got recently retired nate ebner ebner anthony fisker or sorry. Allie Marpet. Greg Joseph. In the Hall of Fame, you got Marv Levy.

Levy. You got Ron Mix. Mix. Andre Tippett. Tip. Al Davis. Converted. Benny Friedman.

Sid Gilman. And then lastly, a guy we got on the wall, Sid Luckman. Luckman. Nice. We got some ball players. We got some Jews. We got some guys. Respect.

So the season narrative for Texas A&M, they were ranked 14th in the preseason AP poll, lost an opening night to Florida State, number two and 26-year-old Chris Winky. I remember Winky. The bounce back. Yeah. I think he went and played pro ball.

Came back, he was like 32, freshman. And he played with the Panthers a bunch. Yes. I remember Winky. Yeah, yeah. He kind of liked Winky. It's a fun name. It's a fun name to root for. You got Winky, Jammer, Slow Cum.

These are some good names. Applewood. A lot of sexual sounding names applewhite damn again dude applewood applewhite applewhite my bad major what a cool first name major holy shit things we remember clearly ricky i mean this is really about ricky breaking the record this is that's what it is that's what we're that's why we're talking that's why we're doing this game there was a last second field goal to win. That's why we're doing this game. There was a last-second field goal to win in this game,

but we're talking about Ricky. Come on, there's a lot of games where you win on a field goal. There's not a lot of games where you break the rushing record. Things we may have forgotten. Texas was unranked entering this game. From 1984 to 2000, they only had two 10 win seasons that's that's kind of odd that doesn't sound right yeah it just feels like a bigger program they they and then in what the 2000s to 2010s they they kind of they i think they they stepped it up they were they were pretty powerhousey with you know vince Young and those guys.

Oh, yeah. With Mack Brown. He had a long, great career with Texas. Yeah. You hear about Matthew McConaughey giving halftime speeches. It looks fun. Hook them, right? That's what they always say.

You give them the hook. McConaughey's a cool celeb fan to have. Gotta be. He's so cool. Yeah, Wolf have gotta be he's like so cool yeah Wolf of Wall Street you just picture the dazed and confused certain games will go remember that

so I heard that was actually improv that was actually for him to get in character for the scene and they did it and I think DiCaprio was like, hey, we got to keep this. So that's what I heard.

That's like when you tell a crazy locker room story and I'm like, roll the fucking cameras. Because you got some epic stories, man. Yeah. I don't even know what to say to that. Oh, I'm sorry. You know what? He's a humble guy.

So he doesn't like when I blow up his shit like this. But you got good stories. They're pretty good. You got some classics. Heard better. Liar, liar. I've had better. I've had better.

That was a good movie. 90s Jim Carrey, what's your number one? Like the most quoted one I use is probably Dumb and Dumber. Easy number one for me is Dumb and Dumber. Dumb and Dumber. Liar one for me is dumb and dumber liar liar it was awesome yeah uh big mask guy just the performance alone yeah it's like jim carrying the mask is like ricky williams in this game just give him the ball and let him take over do you think any of that was in the script or did he just said

go do go i don't know it's it's hard to write some of that shit and it's i saw him recently in the new sonics he's fucking good i love jim carrey he's love jim carrey man hey jim if you're a sports guy and you want to come on games with names we'd love to have you man how's your burger why don't you eat up? I'll let you know. Remember when they were trying to feed him the pills? Pills are good. Pills are good. Did they just kill a guy? Yeah, they killed him,

and they left him on the side of the road. Man, and then remember when they had, like, at the very end, oh, sorry, my friend's a little slow. The town's eight miles that way for, like, what was it, the sun tanning lotion girls or something yeah i remember like i was like eight years old i was like hmm i would definitely not do that me too i

saw it in the theater with my grandparents and i remember they were just furious at me i think my grandma wanted to see apollo 13 or something it was something like tasteful she wanted to see and i was like please grandma dumb and dumber i'm'm like, it's supposed to be really good. And then, of course, five minutes in, they're like, what have we done? Polly want a cracker? Shout out to my grandparents who took me to dumb and dumber. And it was not their cup of tea. Good grandparents.

They were the best. They stuck with what you wanted. Great grandparents, yeah. All right, let's get to the gaming corner. Presented by WinBet. Okay, so prop bet. Are we thinking over, under? How many times anyone can say hook them?

How many times you can say all right, all right? Which one should we go with? All right, all right, all right. Is that the McConaughey thing? Yep. How many times can we get that? I think three is reasonable. Three and a half.

Three and a half. You can hit four on that? I don't know. I'm a confident guy. You're a confident guy. But I'm a humble guy. You just said a couple minutes ago. So am I confident or am I humble?

Well, I don't think they're opposites. I think you can be a confident, humble guy. Cocky is the opposite, I think. I don't think you're cocky. I teeter it sometimes. You teeter it, but the greats do. You're a great player, man. All right, all right, humble guy. Cocky is the opposite, I think. I don't think you're cocky. I teeter it sometimes. You teeter it, but the greats do. You're a great player, man. All right, all right, all right.

So you couldn't take it, so he went to McConaughey. All right, all right. I didn't even mean to do that. It was just subconsciously in my head. But let's hear from Ricky Williams. But before then, let's take a quick break. And we're joined, Sam, by arguably the best college football player of all time. A San Diego native.

Yeah. Heisman Trophy winner. Dual sport athlete. A lot of people don't know. Loved baseball. Played in the minors. An Austin, Texas legend when it was legendary to be in Austin, Texas. I mean, we haven't had that in a while right now.

He's got a statue. He's a beast. New Orleans Saints traded literally their whole draft to draft him because he was that good of a football player in college and everyone knew it was a non-miss. He's not going to be a bust. He has an incredible story, you know, as a pro, as a kid in his upbringing, as a college football athlete. And he played 13 years in the league and was a beast in the league. Just didn't get to play on the best teams.

We got Ricky Williams, man. Thanks for thanks for joining us. Thanks for having me. This is a pleasure. Do the pleasure is ours. We were just talking, 1998. When I was a kid and I played running back as a kid, you watched every Saturday.

It didn't matter who they were playing. It didn't matter how many people were in the box. It didn't matter anything. You knew Ricky Williams was going to break some tackles, outrun people, jump over people, and get the ball about a million times, just as he did in this game where he beat Tony Dorsett's record. Like, your dream, clearly.

I've heard you talk about it. You loved college football. That was your thing. Yeah. So, I mean, you mentioned i was a two-sport athlete i was i grew up in san diego watching the padres watching tony gwynn tony gwynn best swing that that was the best swing in baseball that was an era in baseball in the 80s where it was like gwynn in the nl and wade boggs in the al and it was like the two sweetest swings yeah i was

giants fan will clark was sorry to cut you off. No, that's a great one. Will Clark. And Barry, bro. Barry was a fucking beast, dude. That dude was... He would see one pitch. He would see one pitch a week and then be a dinger. I don't care if he was on anything.

That guy was the best baseball player of all time. If we're talking sweet swings, you can't leave Ken Griffey Jr. off. One of the prettiest swings. So, again, I love this, right? Sharon, going back to these days. But yeah, I grew up a baseball fan watching these guys. And so I wanted to be the next one. But then when I was about 12,

I started watching Notre Dame football on NBC. And I got the bug for just the college football tradition. And so I decided when I was being recruited, I told all the baseball recruiters, I'm playing college football. I told all the college recruiters, I'm playing minor league baseball. And so I was able, it worked out. So I got, took the scholarship to Texas, but I had to give it back when I got drafted because you can't be a professional sport and an amateur athlete on scholarship.

So the Phillies drafted me in the eighth round and paid for my education. And all throughout college, I spent my summers playing minor league baseball um but I was just much better at football and so eventually I had to let go of my dream to be a baseball player and uh and I stuck with football but my dream was to be the best college football player I could be and then go play baseball but I just kept with the football thing. Well, you accomplished that. I mean, you look at these numbers. Can we get these numbers real quick? I'm sorry.

I got them off the top of my dome. It was a long time ago, dude. Don't worry about it. Dude. And I play a lot of football, too, so you get hit in the head. You forget all these. I do a lot of drinking. So I'm right there with you guys.

Not really. But Ricky, I mean, you have this historic season in college, and you could have probably been the first overall pick in the NFL draft, but you come back to college. What about it where you're like, I got to do it again? You know, again, I always wanted to be a college football player and so for me leaving college early didn't make any sense um but at the end of my junior year my coach that recruited me john mackibick got fired and so i seriously started thinking about going

to the nfl because who wants to be a college with the new coach and all that stuff. And two things happened. The first thing was I was talking to Mack Brown, who was a new coach. And I pretty much decided I was taking off. And he said, you know, I know you're probably leaving, but you've been here the longest. So I'd just love for you to give me a heads up on what's going on with the team. So we spent about three hours, you see me sharing everything I thought and felt about the team. And I noticed the next day when I went to the facility, you know, probably half of what we talked about, he already started to implement some changes and I felt empowered as a leader. So that got me, you know, feeling like coming back might be a good idea.

And then that same week I was flipping through the college football almanac and I flipped through to see all purpose yards. And I noticed that I was think fourth or fifth, but I did the math. And I said, if I have just a little better season than I did as a junior, I can have the most rushing yards ever in college football history. And that intrigued me. And then I flipped a couple more pages and I got to total touchdowns, rushing touchdowns. And I saw if I have the same year I had as a junior, I could have the most rushing touchdowns and total touchdowns in college football history. I was like, damn, flipped a

couple more pages, got to all purpose yards. Same thing. I did the math and I said, if I have a decent year, like I had last year, I could be the all purpose leader for all time. And I thought, man, I have this opportunity to be like, to have this triple crown. And it was so intriguing. I said, I got to take a shot at it. And so those two things really were why I came back for my, for my senior year. And that, that shows you kind of competitor Ricky Williams was, I mean, you set a goal in college and you went out and achieved it. You honored even through a coaching change,

your scholarship and you went back and you did what's best for not only you, but you helped out Mack Brown. You propelled Mack Brown into probably the best stint that Texas football's had in a long time, if not ever. So when you see these running backs nowadays who are on these load management and they don't play in the bowl game, you got to be like, man, that's got to be crazy, huh?

I mean, I can understand the load management part, kind of. It's not me, but I understand it. The sitting out bowl games, I have a hard time with that. And it's me, though. It's not them. I'm just old school like that. Yeah, yeah. I'm a big time with that. You know? And it's me, though. It's not them. I'm just old school. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm a big fan of amateur sports. You know, the word amateur comes from love. So this idea of playing for the love of it, you know? And to me, I couldn't imagine sitting on a bowl game. Like, damn. Well, we're talking load management. But his 44 carries too much. That's insane to me. You carry the ball 44 times in a game.

Is that an, is that crazy? You know, back then it wasn't crazy. Today is crazy. And that's one part. The other part, it depends on the game. You know, there's some games where you might need it, but to do it consistently, that's too much. Do you get tired?

You carried the rock 44 times and you were still out running people. Do you ever get tired? Well, I mean, I was tired, but mainly because that was the last game of the year. So I've been carrying the ball for 2,000 yards going up to that point. So it was a lot going through the season,

but the nature of my game was being tired was part of my game. I mean, to me, that's where I got an unfair advantage because if I'm tired and the defender's tired, he still has to tackle me. 100%. And you saw that people couldn't tackle you. And I always remember, you know, he was like the pinnacle. Like there's like these bowling ball type running backs,

and I'm just going to correlate it to the pros and where I was at. No one ever wanted to tackle, especially when it was cold, guys like him. You get these big guys that run low, great pad level, built-in pad level, and then you got to see them in the middle of the hole once they break through. And that's what you saw with him oh dude i don't want to i don't want to go to trader joe's when it's cold i mean i can't imagine what you guys went through i mean it's insane okay and he would break a tackle in like his open field and then he had the like the speed to outrun i mean it's it's pretty much insane and can we talk 90s late 90s football fashion probably the swaggiest dude ever out there he always had the cut he had the cut the cut hemmed uh jersey you'd have like the spatted

cleats you had the baby dreads going on like you were like an innovator and like now it's getting back to that like everyone dressed like that in practice. Like, you know, you always like try to swag out in practice, but the game you never like Ricky Williams actually swagged out throughout and created like pretty much swag for 90s football. You have to be Ricky's level of good. I mean, I saw a guy in the one train the other day in a cut hem shirt. He did not have Ricky's physique, so it didn't work. But when you have the skill to back it up like Ricky did,

I always say like Ricky did, I always say like Eddie Murphy, you know, delirious raw, he wears, you, you can't wear that, that outfit as an open mic, or, but when you're Eddie Murphy, you can wear that outfit. You got to have the swag and the skill to back it up, which you had because you were a great player. Well, I think it's, it's, it's all part of the vision. You know, I think to be a great athlete, you got to have a vision of that great athlete in your head that you're trying to work towards and for me the the outfit you know the costume was a big was a big part of that image look good play good feel good or what was it look good feel good play good exactly primetime baby yeah it's real can you talk about uh getting drafted into some of the teams you played on you know know, the Saints, Miami. I mean, what were those experiences like for you?

Well, Julian said it really there's so much about fit, you know, like to me, if you get drafted, they scouted you. You got talent. But I think the next level is finding that system where you where you fit. Part of it is the scheme, but also part of it is the personnel. And I think it was close. It was really close for me in New Orleans. And I think the time I got traded to Miami, it was the perfect fit. It was a team that played hella defense. They had a pretty good quarterback, pretty good receiving core,

but they really wanted to establish the run. And I think that was a sweet spot for me. New Orleans was close. We had a great defense when I got drafted. Quarterback position, we had two guys named Billy Joe. And we didn't have, we didn't really have anything else on offense. And so it just, and I think also Coach Dicker was a little bit old school in his hiring of coaches.

Because our offensive coordinator, he just believed the old school, you know, run the same play and make them stop you, you know, and that didn't work. I got to, I got to, I got to Miami North Turner, who was in my mind, an offensive genius, especially scheming a run game. And he just, he saw what I did well. And he, and he used motion and schemes to make sure that my talent was, was, could, could, could accomplish things on the field. And it, and it worked, it worked. I got to,

then I stayed with Miami and I was versatile enough that I could find a place to fit. You know, Ronnie Brown was drafted in 2005 and we started running the Wildcat, which was great and kept us both on the field. And then my last season, I played with the Ravens and that, you know, I see this a lot, but I see is really difficult late in your career, especially if you have some success to go to a new team, because, you know, I was in Miami. We went through the ups and downs, like everywhere in Miami.

I was just, everybody knew me, loved me, appreciated me. I went to Baltimore is it was like a whole new, like I had to start over at the beginning. know I was almost 40 you know I had to start over at the beginning trying to like make a name for myself and prove myself um and that's a lot it was a lot so I ended up only one year in Baltimore and I decided you know I'm ready to do something else I I completely agree that's half the reason why I retired I if I wasn't going to play there, I don't want to play anywhere else because I want to learn a new scheme. I don't want to go learn the new lunch ladies, the people in the building.

You become family with these people, and then you've got to reestablish yourself. People do shit differently. They may not get this of you. I completely understand with that, especially when you get older. When I was older in the locker room, you've got a lot of young players, you they may not like i i completely understand with that especially when you get older like when i was older in the locker room like you got a lot of young players and there's different like like our generation was completely your generation was completely different than the the one before and and vice versa you become the older guy it's like uh maybe it's time for me to

get out yeah you know i don't do that dance i don't't, you know, or this, or I don't, I don't, I don't, I'm not on my phone all day. You know, it's crazy how different it changes each, like every 10 years in that locker room. But let's get back to the Texas, Texas A&M game. Like you guys were on the verge. You guys had a pretty, you guys were four and seven the year before you completely balled out. But this year you guys are 9-2. You're playing against 6-ranked Texas A&M.

It's a pretty big rival. Anytime two Texas teams are playing, it's pretty big, right? It's a huge rival. I mean, Texas A&M is the biggest rivalry. It's bigger than Texas OU. It's huge. Thank you for clearing that up for a West Coast guy, a New Yorker. Like this game, so the game plan was just give it to you

and let's write it off of you the whole game or what? Well, the game plan was coming into the game, I think I needed 72 yards to break the record. So I think Coach Brown's first thing was break this record and then win the game. But he knew if I break the record and everyone gets excited, it's going to be easier. It's going to be easier then win the game. But he knew if I break the record and everyone gets excited, it's going to be easier. It's going to be easier to win the game.

So I remember that first quarter, he might've given me the ball like 20 times or something. He just, he just kept feeding me because he wanted to, he wanted to get that out of the way so that we could focus on the game. Yeah. And then the one you broke it, what was a 68 yarder where you,

you dip out, they didn't have the edge. Then you get in, you split, you come off the, the butt of the, uh, the blocker and then you have the open field running ability to break the tackle and go. And then you get it down the sideline, you cut back. Like it's crazy. I heard his story. Did Mack Brown really say you better break it on a long run?

He did, but he always says stuff like that you know something i i i read that you said julian about a receiver's job is to is to block in the run game and you know and and what i love about the play was a 60-yard touchdown run what i love about the play was you know coaches say if everyone does their job every score should be a touch every play should be a touchdown and when i go back and watch that play, every single person on the field did their job. OK, it was just a regular lead play to the left line.

Did a good job isolating the defensive lineman. My fullback did a good job hitting the outside linebacker. OK, you know, the play side receiver take most dangerous man. Exactly.

He came down and then what the coach said to the running back. We're leaving one for you. OK, Kwame came down, cracked the safety. The little corner came up, bounced off my shoulder. I was out in the open field. Okay. Running down the field, their backside corner fastest guy on their team took an angle. Okay.

Our backside receiver chased them all the way down the field, pushed them out of bounds just enough so I could cut in and get into the end zone. It was telling you, it was everyone on the field had to do their job to make that play work. And that's the beautiful thing about football. It's the ultimate team sport. And I always remember what he said. You know, the receiver comes in, he cracks his safety.

And they always say that specifically because they always say the corner's the worst tackler. That's the worst tackler. If you get tackled by the corner, they're going to be looking at you sideways. But it really is true. But the thing with, like, watching Ricky play, like, you were not only, like, there's certain guys that were athletic freaks that they go in and they just try to run through the hole.

Like, you were able to do that, but then you were also able to, you know, squeeze that double team to the next level, cut back, always find the right hole. And there's players that can do that as well. But like the great ones then after that is the ones that go out and break the tackle. The safety doesn't make the tackle. You go and make these explosive plays.

And you just see that all the time when you're watching ricky it was fucking it's insane like it's a childhood dream to even get to sit and talk about get to talk football with you because like i mean you were that big of a deal and you still are to this day you are i gotta ask you ricky was mcconaughey big in the texas circle yet in 98 or was he not your guy yet no he he was biggest in 98 because he had something to come out and be proud of so before every single game i we were to save the hotel but every time every night after the game i come home and there would be like a 20 minute voicemail on my uh on my on my answering machine from from from matthew yeah yeah yeah what did he used to say all right

all right all right did he ever like did he did he ever say any of those all right all right all right in the in the voicemails like did did he just have full mcconaughey like it was like real it was real speaking from the heart of like motivational speeches and you know he's he's a really intense dude like he'll get close to you like this close and look you right in the eye and say what he has to say to you so it was it was a treat you know it was it was just a special time in my life of when you put so much work into something and you finally start you finally start to see it pay off there's there's nothing like it dude he was on all the sports illustrated i mean i remember i remember i mean he's a huge deal

there had to be some other who who else did anyone did you get close with any other celebrities texas people or it had to be someone else i mean we all know mcconaughey's big ut guy anyone else like call you after you broke this record that's i mean there had to be some people uh there was a be some people. There was a lot of people, you know, I was hanging out with at the time going way back, hanging out a lot with Dennis Rodman. He was really big at the time, you know, and people knew.

A classic positive influence on anyone. I mean, I'm telling you, we hung out at the Superbowl right after my senior year was in Miami. And we went to a party and he's like, Hey, why don't you come hang out with me? And I just remember taking shots of Jaeger and that's all I remember. Next thing I knew, I woke up in this room and I was like, I have no idea where I am. You've been Rodman.

I was, I, I went up, like I opened the door and I went up the stairs and I was right on Miami beach. You know, he rented out, he rented out Eric Clapton's apartment. And somehow that's where the party ended up. And I missed it cause I passed out. But if you kept hanging out with him, you would have woken up in North Korea. So consider yourself lucky. Actually, that might've been interesting, but that's awesome.

Rodman's a big, anyone else from that time period? Not that I can remember. I, you know, I got really close with dan lebitard uh so before i mean he's not like he's not a super famous person but that was probably we love lebitard here that's probably the most the most meaningful relationship that i and it wasn't just hanging out with the famous person you know we we were like best friends um and it was amazing when I got traded to Miami because he lived in Miami. So we got really close there and were able just to tell some really cool stories. And that was probably my favorite thing that came out of that time

was that friendship. You also, I mean, you did play behind some insane linemen. You got to give the hogs. In the 98 line, you had Ben Adams, Octavius Bishop, Russell Gaxkamp, Jay Humphrey, Roger Ressler, Leonard Davis. That's a law firm right there. And none of them went to the NFL, but that's a great college line. Leonard, actually, Leonard played in the NFL. Did he play in the league?

He did play in the league. Yeah. Leonard played for a minute. You know, when I, when I went on my recruiting trip to Texas, I remember I was walking over there showing me the dorms and I saw these four humongous guys walking towards me. Okay. And I said, who are those guys? He said, those are the offensive linemen and they're all red shirts. So I knew that when I came as a freshman, I'd be playing with four of those five guys throughout my career. And I think that had,

Oh, not, I think I know that was a major part of my success of just having this running behind the same guys, all four years of college. Any, uh, crazy,

like Jesus shuttleworth treatment over at those, uh, like frat parties or anything. You know what I'm talking about? He got game. You better believe it. Yeah. Honestly,

like, you know, my, my head coach, the first three years john mackievic he was one of those like by the books kind of guy okay being i think being from california i didn't have like the the wealthy guy from my hometown to like take care of me so uh i just was out there you know doing my thing and there was a lot of adoration, but I didn't really get close to many people like that. Now, I read you started like there's always everybody's pretty public that you smoke weed. Yeah, I think it's I think it's I think it's well documented. You didn't start until what your senior year of college, senior year of college.

Now, what made you because I'm going to open up a little bit and i'll tell you what happened i i started smoking weed in like my the sixth year of my career and it was because some shit was going on but i want to hear if there was something that propel you there was shit going on so so so back back to like where we started when i came back for my senior year i had all these goals when Win the Heisman, break all these records. So I come back. And first game, first two games, I kill it. Then we go to Kansas State. And I get shut down.

Like 12 carries for like 40 yards. Also find out that my girlfriend is now with the quarterback. Which quarterback is this? Major Applewhite. He was our starting boy i'm glad you messed up his name at that speech oh yeah screw that guy i'll tell you a story after you tell me that don't actually screw that guy yeah don't but um that's a long time ago but it's just one of those things where i was like how do you do that to your teammate

she was she was pretty bad anyways so i don't i don't blame him so you know so i was just going through this and i was thinking like why did i come back for this shit you know i was in that place where i was thinking i could be making millions of dollars not worried about this bullshit now i'm back here have to deal with the quarterback giving me the ball that's sleeping with my girl and now i'm'm not going to break all these. It just was bad. And my roommate was a smoker and he's like, you need to chill. And so he brought out his bong.

He's like here. And so it sounds like an anti-drug commercial. I mean, I had smoked before, but it was just hanging out with the guys. I wasn't a smoker, but that was the first night where I smoked. And I remember I went upstairs to my room and I wasn't obsessing about the girl or the quarterback or the bad game I just was good and I started actually thinking positively about the future and I'm not lying to you you can look in the stat book after that game back to back 300 yard rushing games I should start smoking more weed I feel like it would

really up my game it will it will because I don't react to it like you, Ricky. I drink and it quiets the voices. I smoke weed. It's like I had a party in my head and only the worst people showed up. It's not good for me. You know, every voice. That's the process, though. You got to get those voices out because they don't just disappear.

If they're in there, you got to get them out. And sometimes we bury them and you smoke. You get become aware of them so you can do something about them because to me you know especially as a football player i was trying to push all that shit down when i finally like looked at it and let it move then it was gone and i could focus on what was really important different perspective yeah and it was the same same with me i've never told this story and i've actually never told anyone really I I toke you know but you know I was going through some shit I got arrested it was like my second year in the league or fourth year in the league or something like that and like a lot of shit was just going on

and exactly what you said it gave me the ability to slow down and, and, and just kind of look at things differently and put the pieces together and also like relax my mind. Cause my mind's always going, like, I'm always thinking I'm going to get cut. What's going to happen here. My family hates me this, that. And once I started smoking, my buddy did the same thing. He's like, you need to relax because I didn't smoke I didn't smoke until I was like 27 26 27 you know what I mean I mean I dabbled but like I wasn't like a smoker you know and so then I I did that and it was exactly the same thing that you felt it gave me a chance to just like reflect you know it's like the saying that Mr. Kraft told me Enra Balitov it's Hebrew for with all the bad find the good in the bad, it's like the saying that Mr. Craft told me, Enra Belitov, it's Hebrew for with all the bad, find the good in the bad. And it's kind of you feel that, you know what I mean?

You see that kind of perspective if you do it right and you get in a safe environment or whatever. You know, Sam, it may not be that for you, but I felt that exact same thing. And on Applewood or Applewhite, I could tell you a quick story he invited me to talk to his team we used to coach Houston and we were in there we were playing the Super Bowl and we were practice using their facility and he's like yo Edelman would you come you know come let's go speak to the the team and he gives me this huge introduction. Yeah, this guy, that guy. And I go, oh, thanks, Applewood. I appreciate it.

Like, I fully botched his name. The whole fucking team starts laughing, busting out. It's supposed to be like an inspirational speech. So I'm clearly not Matthew McConaughey when it comes to speech. No, that's karma coming full circle. That's what he gets for banging Reggie's girl. He gets a botched name and embarrassed in front of his team. That's what he gets for banging reggie's girl he gets a botched name and embarrassed in front of his team that's what i say no uh but uh reggie i mean i think rick why

did i call you reggie holy shit you're botching my name too hey it's all my god it's karma that's how karma works ricky who have you slept with who was a close friend in the past? No. Got me. Ricky, I mean, I think you got really unfairly vilified by the media. You were ahead of your time in a lot of ways, you know, when they really kind of played it out like you were a burnout. And I don't think that was fair to do to you. Well, I don't look at it that way.

I mean, they're just doing their job. They couldn't understand what was going on with me. You know, they're the media, like they're covering us. You know, I just see myself as like a real warrior. You know, I wasn't just like fighting on the football field. Like I'm fighting in life for real. Just trying to be a better- But don't you think you were ahead of your time in that way?

I don't think there were people that were as open as you were about this stuff at the time. The nature of being ahead of your time is you're always going to be ahead of your time in that way i don't think there were people that were as open as you were about this stuff at the time the nature of being ahead of your time is you're always going to be misunderstood i mean that that's what it that's what it means that's that's that's that's a saying right there i'm a big saying guy like jack i want you to cut that up That could be like a neon sign. Man. Fuck. That's good stuff. It is, man. I'm thinking about that saying.

I'm sorry. No, you're good. You're good. We try to keep it like conversational here. You know what I'm saying? This is more of us just laying it all out. I want to, you know, you talked about how, we've talked about environment and ecosystem. How badly would you want it to play in a system like New England?

It would have been like, I would have killed it up there. Just, you know, people from the outside, because all of the, especially the cannabis stuff, people, I think they misunderstand like my game, but like I'm a killer out there. You know, I'm a competitor and I just, I love playing against the Patriots and I was fortunate enough being a dolphin I got to do it twice a year because like you know you knew you everybody had to get up for that game and you knew every time you play the Patriots they're gonna be

over prepared over prepared so it was called spine I mean, they say in football, if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying. So I get it. I think we got Eli to say that Bill's a cheater. I think we did. Fucking Eli. Great guy. American hero. Tell us about Heisman, your company.

I want to hear about this. We've been talking about it already. And I just want to say, thank you for sharing your story because that's really what Heisman is about. So many people, they, they hide how they utilize cannabis. And there's so many people out there suffering and they didn't even realize that shit. I could get, I could get relief from what I'm dealing with, or I could get perspective or I could get insight because everyone's lying about using cannabis. And so, you know, a big part of the brand is really creating a platform for people to tell

their story. You know, it's funny because we, yeah, we're, we're a cannabis brand. I think of it as a lifestyle brand, but just living a life where you're utilizing cannabis to take yourself to the next level and, and telling that story. And that's what I'm really passionate story. And that's what I'm really passionate about. And that's why I started this brand. Well, it's very clear that you're passionate about it. And it's also clear that, you know, you think outside the box and the way you broke down your story, like I wasn't going and telling my story that i smoke weed like it made me feel

comfortable enough to let to go out and and i like share that with you because you made it feel like it's not bad for me to do that yeah and i guarantee a lot no i guarantee it i mean i know you're not thinking about it this way but a lot of people who watch this, you know, are probably going to be more comfortable either trying it, using it or coming out and talk, sharing their experiences with it. Cause when I was going through everything I was going through, there was very few people that I could relate to that were going through a similar experience. And so as I went through it all, I was took it on myself to be that person for other people.

And so, you know, the fact that you felt comfortable enough to be real and share your story, like, that's amazing. So thank you for that. See, for athletes, this is big. For a comedian, no one's like, wow, that was really cool. He shared he did drugs. No one cares. But I really think your honesty was so refreshing for the league

and I think good for the sport. And it's funny that in some ways you were portrayed as not, maybe not a positive role model. Cause I think time has shown that you were. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, time that's, that's the value of time. You know, I was young, I was trying to figure it out. And I, all I knew is I just keep swinging. I keep taking a shot. I'm going to figure it out. And I stuck with it. And to the NFL's credit, they gave me an opportunity to come back and, and, you know,

clear my name and leave the NFL and leave my career with dignity. So at the end of the day, it's a wonderful story that I'm still standing to be able to tell it. And that you're still working and that you have a new thing with Heisman, which, you know, everyone should check out. Everyone's got to check it out, man. We appreciate you coming on to Games with Names presented by WinBet and talking about your story, talking about the game you had to break Tony Dorsett's record,

which is still insane. Go on, win on our last field goal against the Texas Aggies, win the Cotton Bowl, propel Mack Brown's career. Also, like, getting all the messages from McConaughey. I mean, it's awesome that you gave us all this intel and telling us your story, man. Major Applewood. Major Applewood.

Fucking Major Applewood. You guys would have won 10 games if you didn't do that. 11. Messed up, man. Chemistry. It's all good. Mine are Applewood more like. This is the beauty of life, though.

I don't think I would have been motivated to go on a tear like that. You know, maybe it's exactly what I needed to find cannabis and to be here telling this story. So thank you, Major Applewhite. Exactly. Is it white or wood? What the hell? I don't even know his name anymore. He said it so many times, I'm confused.

It is what it is, man. I appreciate you coming on, dude. If you ever need anything from me, give me a call, bro. Yeah, I'm in LA too. We should get up sometime. Where do you live? I live in Manhattan Beach. I live over in like West Hollywood Flats, Beverly Hills area.

Perfect. Well, I have to link up. I love the South Bay. I lived in Hermosa for a couple years. Yeah, I love it down here. It's just my kid lives in Laurel Canyon, so it's fucking far. I can take the 110, take me two hours to go see my kid and drop her off at school. I get it.

You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Ricky. I get it. You know what I mean? Yeah. Well, thank you so much, Ricky. This is great. Yeah, of course. You guys have fun. All right, bro. I appreciate you.

Hit me up. What's the legacy of that game? Just that Ricky Williams is a badass, I think. He's not like your traditional badass. He's like the badass that is that that goes around and like does a bunch of mitzvahs and like you just like once we've had some good fucking guests

we've had some damn good guests like just some really good guys like same thing with like Megatron kind soft spoken humble legends and even when we even tried to get him to bag on Applewood, he couldn't. It's probably for his best mental health-wise that he's not still mad about that hookup.

I mean, if you're carrying that shit with you, you're probably smoking bad weed. This is the chronic, I'm not over it. Well, he must be smoking that chronic that he did get over it, because he basically told him, like, yeah, I don smoking that chronic that he did get over it because like he basically told him like yeah he i don't i don't blame him that he did you know yeah that was a very rock rock and roll attitude that was like remember george harrison and uh clapton what happened i didn't he he leila he takes his woman and uh leila yeah i don't think that was her real name but he but that was the song about her takes her her, and Harrison's like, yeah, it's rock and roll.

And that's exactly how Ricky Williams handled it. Rock and roll. We're just at rock and roll. Did we settle the prop bet? You were definitely under. I think we said three, five. I counted two. I don't know.

I counted four. I think we just nearly got over. Oh, so we're over. Yeah, Jules had two back-to-back right there. Got it. All right, so I was wrong. All right, all right, all right, all right. Damn it, we got it.

You got it. So how much is the position in the running back? How much has it changed? I mean, this was the era of the running back. I mean, you think how rich the sport was. We've talked about it. Edrin James, I believe, was in his draft, right? We had Marshall Falk.

We had Eddie George, Ricky Williams. I remember Priest Holmes for a few of those years. I mean, there were some running backs. Terrell Davis. Terrell Davis. There were some just—Sean Alexander. Bettis. The bus.

I mean— The game changed. This is ground and pound. Let's ride our guy until he can't ride. Yeah. I mean, and that's clearly what they did in this football game. 44 carries. And you just saw, like, how gifted Ricky really was when he said,

and it's a mental thing. It's not just a physical thing. When other guys are tired, and if I'm even a little tired, if I'm tired, I know he's tired. And I know he can't tackle me if he's tired. Yeah. Like, I'm better conditioned than he is, and I'm better than him. So he's not getting me.

And that's what people probably misunderstand, that he's a dog. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. The media really portrayed him as not that. Like, he's just's just oh this guy that goes and does this and does that he just smoked nah bro that guy was a great football team or football player and it seemed like like i've heard through the grapevine he's been a great football team worked his fucking ass off you know he gives a shout out to every single guy on that big ass long record breaking run. Oh, the backside receiver came and made the block.

Oh, my receiver came in, got the force. My fullback goes in, blows up the hole. Giving his praise to all the guys. Not just being that asshole that says, I did this. You know what I mean? That's weed too. It makes you introspective. If you're a coked out guy, you're not giving credit to that whole that whole team you're saying that was me that was me but no that's that's the weed talk and we were like yeah

i'm this is all of us yeah it's my world uh i i just i i was trying to do a little uh scarface i'm the bad guy that's pretty good everybody needs a bad guy to say? I'm the bad guy. That's pretty good. Everybody needs a bad guy to say, that's a fucking bad guy. I'm the bad guy. Classic. That's all I got. Classic. That was pretty good.

I mean, it took a lot to take down Tony Montana. Not as much. Ricky Williams could have withstood those gunshots, too. The way he ran. That dude. No cocaine, no weed. Tony Montanaana that's one of the old time like you were dead for a while what what are we doing yeah but i mean coke can do a lot of things but it's mostly like i'm the shit it's not like i can withstand the world is yours bubs the world

is yours he did manny dirty dude i am a refugee. I can't believe I called him Reggie. I feel terrible. I got caught. I don't know where Reggie even came from. That was a bad look. That was a bad look. I fucked it up. As a co-host, I'm trying to pick you up. That was rough, dude. I heard it twice. That was Applewhite.

Applewhite was the guy who was handing the ball off to Reggie. Now you got me doing it. Handing it off to Ricky Williams, the best college football player. How do you fucking? I didn't even know who Applewhite was when I went in there. Can you imagine if Brady banged your girlfriend and then you had to see him every day? I think if it was that way, I think it would probably propel me

into getting a better girlfriend because it's Tom. That means we're on the same stratosphere. That's my thought process behind it. I'm just thinking Ricky Williams-y right now. I'm thinking outside the box. This is good for it. Yeah?

You never know. He seems like an awesome dude and coolest dress guy. Who else was cool cool dress dudes cool dress randy moss was a cool dress randy was like randy was swaggy early in his day but the cool thing about randy is he'd always keep his he'd pre-game he'd always put his gloves on his face mask he'd always and he'd be dang they'd be dangling from his face mask and you know you'd be talking to guys and that was like, so I started putting my shit on the face mask, too,

because Randy did. Michael Vick was always swaggy with his own cleats. He always had the dope strap cleats. Yeah. Insane. Jack Lambert. Yeah. I mean, that's just old school nitty gritty, like,

with the neck roll. Beast mode. Beast mode. He always had crazy tint visors and he had his own uh stuff he had his own clothing always remember beast mode yeah beast and the the dreads out the back it was a cool look alvin camara he's he's pretty swaggy i think he's got like diamond teeth and then he has like a gold mouthpiece that goes over the diamond teeth. And he always has like cool cleats, like awesomely painted or colored cleats.

And the Saints black and gold is like. If you do that, you got to save your money because you don't want to be handing over a grill to a pawn shop. That's a rough look. You know, you got to make sure you got money saved if you're doing that. But hey, Jack, did we forget anything? We were pretty good this episode. When we were talking Arnold, he and DeVito linked back up in 94 for Junior. Yeah, I never saw that one.

It looked rough. One of them was pregnant, right? Yeah, Arnold. Yeah. We also talked about Running Man, release date 1987. Hunger Games Catching Fire, release date 2009. So Running Man, way ahead. Texas went on to win the national championship under Mac Brown in 2005.

Junior was Ivan Reitman? Yeah, surprisingly. Damn. I met him once. I did a thing with his production company. They were all really cool. He was a nice guy. He's a legend.

His son is a great director, too. Up in the Air. What else? Juno. He's done a lot of movies. Oh, Thank You for Smoking. That's a great one. I was going to say Private Parts, but he turned down directing Son of the Beach, another Howard Stern project.

I was wrong there. Ivan Reitman recently passed away. Legend. Ghostbusters, right? Yeah. Ghostbusters. The regionals?usters the regionals yeah love those it's ivan speaking of other classic comedies we mentioned dumb and dumber animal house um and it was the hawaiian tropic girls on the bus at the end um classic also gotta give some shine to leonard davis on who was blocking for Ricky all those years. He ended up having an 11-year NFL career. Played for the Cardinals, Cowboys, Lions, and 49ers.

And then Ricky mentioned that quarterback room when he got to New Orleans. It did, in fact, have two guys named Billy Joe. Billy Joe Hobert, Billy Joe Tolliver, Danny Warfel, and Jake DeLome. Jake DeLome. The hometown guy down there in New Orleans. And then lastly, we mentioned some George Harrison tunes there at the end. That was something which he wrote about

Eric Clapton dating his ex-wife, it's rumored to believe. And Clapton played on it? I think, Kyler, is that correct? And Clapton played on it. Wow. Yeah, he's like, you took my wife. You can do a little number on my tune. How about that? There's something in the way. Oh, Clapton played on it. Wow. He's like, you took my wife. You can do a little number on my tune. How about that? There's something in the way.

Old Clapton. Let's name the game. All right. The game is Run, Ricky, Run or Ricky Breaks the Record. Something like that. What do you think? Ricky Smokes the Record. Ricky Smokes the Record. I like it.

Gameplay. I mean, this is just old school 90s football. Ground pound. Mono e mono, big play here, big play there. Gameplay, I'd have to say it's like a seven. Yeah, I was going to say seven. It's a seven. There's two good football teams. Could be some recency bias because it's know, it was a different generation of game.

You know what I mean? These guys ground and pound. What do you think for – star power is not – we can't go too high here. Can't go too high. It's really Ricky. It's just Ricky. Well, I mean, you got Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell playing the game.

There's names in here, no doubt. Dante Hall, as we said. I mean, but I think we got to go like 5'5". What do you think? Is that even high? Yeah, we can go 5-5. But it is the best college football player of all time. But I mean, he's why it's 5-5.

We've had Pro Bowls. I mean, this is high stakes. He said this is the biggest rivalry for Texas. He said it was bigger. Did he quote bigger than Oklahoma? That's what Ricky said. Yeah, I was surprised. Kyler's shaking his head, though.

Kyler likes to go keep it low. Yeah, I mean, Kyler, I forgot he went to Texas and broke the record for rushing. What did he say, stakes six? Yeah, stakes are about, I'd go seven. You got to give it seven. That's a big rivalry. Okay. You get these Texas fans

That are gonna be listening to this They're gonna sit here and say These fucking Coast people don't know shit About football And we don't And we admittedly don't And we're doing our best

To brush up on college Because it's not either of our Strong suits I would say But I'm learning I'm loving We're both learning I'm enjoying it a lot As long as we learn from it

The name Ricky Smokes the record I mean that's That's the best thing on there Yeah I'm enjoying it a lot. As long as we learn from it. The name, Ricky Smokes the Record. I mean, that's the best thing on there. Yeah. You got to go seven at least, right? Yeah, 7.3. 7.3.

What's that give us a total of? A 6.7 total. All right. Well, this was a fun one. Ricky was a great guest. And that's all for this episode of Games with Names presented by Winbet. Thank you for listening. And thanks to all our sponsors. Make sure to follow us at Games with Names presented by Winbet. Thank you for listening, and thanks to all our sponsors.

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