Games with Names - Scoreless in Seattle with Rich Ohrnberger | Week 14, 2012: Cardinals vs. Seahawks

Episode Date: January 21, 2025

Rich Ohrnberger is in studio! The veteran NFL offensive lineman and one of the funniest dudes to come through the league is with us to talk about an infamous blowout from Week 14 of the 2012 season. Rich joins us on the couch (2:13). We go back to December of 2012 (1:25:34). We look at the Cardinals and Seahawks rosters (1:31:24). We get into the game (1:40:10). We score it (2:01:38). We wrap it up with some NFL comedy casting (2:09:16). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh hell no, Bill, did we waste a draft pick on this mother, are you kidding me? This Greg? He was going to go out there and break a hip. God Bill. And I'm just like, oh, oh, my God. That was not a nickname. It was not a nickname. He thought it was a he thought he was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean, I told everybody I was like, yeah, Randy really likes me.

It's gone pretty well, gang. Welcome to games with names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler and we're on the search to find the worst game of all time. I think we might've found it. Whoa. Spoiler. And on today's episode, we are covering Cardinals vs Seahawks, week 14 of the 2012 season with Veteran NFL Center and one of the funniest guys I ever played with, Rich Ormberger. And we get into talking his funniest locker room stories. Nobody knew where the ducks were coming from, by the way. No, no.

He would like be put in his helmet, I was like, another duck! Matt Light pranks. Dante's Garnet was losing his mind that year and it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault. Joe Paz stories. You're never going to start around here. Why? Because you're a loose cannon.

And then we wrap it up by doing some NFL comedy casting in theme of Rich being a funny guy. You got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games with names is a production of iHeartRadio. December 9th, 2012, Lumen Field, Seattle, Washington. Riding an eight game losing streak, the Arizona Cardinals look to turn it all around in the Emerald City.

And the Seahawks win 58-0. This is scoreless in Seattle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle!

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Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! Battle! December 9th, 2012. And we're going to talk this game with one of my favorite teammates, my funniest teammate I ever had, Rich Orenberger. Now, Rich, in one sentence, why did you pick this game? It kind of perfectly describes me. It's funny. And there's historical context to this game. This this game set a very unfortunate record or at very least makes the top five in a category. Okay. Yeah. Is this the greatest game of all time?

It absolutely is not Julian. In fact, it could be argued that it is right up there with one of the worst games ever played by an NFL team ever, ever. And I was on that team. I had to ask. I asked every I asked every guest. Now, what are you up to these days? You're in San Diego. How San Diego culture your what are you in the radio? Yeah, tell everyone what you're doing. Alright, so I do a show called Big Rich TD and Fletch. I'm the big rich part of it. And then my co host Travis Dale is this part of it. And then my co host Travis Dale is this entertaining,

just fun broadcaster. We've got Ben Fletcher, who he's the Fletch part. He's awesome too. Super creative guys. And we have this awesome chemistry. Oh, and we've added Kat Fisher, she jumped into the show recently. And she's just the best hang. So we're having a great time doing this morning show on a classic rock station in San Diego. And that's all over the I heart radio app, you know, so search big rich TD and Fletch. If you want to listen to that and laugh along. And then I also do Fox Sports Radio on the weekend. I host national radio shows.

I have one called countdown to kick off on Saturday mornings one called red zone radio on Sundays Sunday mornings into the afternoon on the west coast we kind of kick off with the NFL games and We we do it just like red zone on television, you know, but on the radio. Yeah, just on the radio They call you red zone rich they calm You know what not yet, but this coming week they will red zone rich. I was a me. You know what? Not yet. But this coming week, they will. Red Zone rich. I love a nickname. You just did it, Bubba. No. Now, San Diego, what a fucking perfect place to live

and get to be in the culture of sports, which hurts me as a Californian. I used to love the San Diego Chargers. You played for the San Diego Chargers. How is San Diego right now as a sports town? Is it hurting? It's hurting. The Padres are good though. Padres are good. They've they've really kind of saved the city from that standpoint. A lot of people were heartbroken when the Chargers left for LA and a lot of people still follow them. I think the majority of their fan base actually

is in San Diego still. You can see it at SoFi. Road teams are still taking over that place, but it'll build. It's a generational thing. You got to be in a city for a long time to build deep roots. But yeah, San Diego was without football on the professional scale, and it really felt like there were a lot of lost sports fans until the Padres started cooking again. The Padres are cooking, but you're calling San Diego State

to say, has San Diego State jumped up and taken a lot of the viewership in that football world? Yeah, so they've done a really nice job of filling that void, and I'm super proud of the Aztecs, and I lucked into that job. That's one of my favorite things I do. I just happened to start broadcasting as they needed a color analyst and they're like hey Do you want to do this with us and I said yeah, I do you know?

And so I've been doing it for eight years and I can do it You know snapdragon stadium is down the road from my house prior to that I was still calling games for the Aztecs at the Q Qualcomm Stadium, the place where I used to play with the Chargers. I was calling games for San Diego State. And there's a lot of excitement about the new head coach hire. But like, you know, college football has changed a tremendous amount. We're living in this NIL world. It is bonkers. What about fucking Bill going to North Carolina? Oh my God, we haven't talked about that yet. That is, it is. And he's bringing Lombardi to be his GM.

Like, he's gonna handle it like pro, which is probably how it's gonna go in these next five, six years. It's fucking nuts that. But if you think about it, if you think about it, I think he's gonna do all right. I think he's gonna do well. Because you look at like,

he has his free agency department, right? Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's going to be looking at other teams. Recruits. You're going to have your rookie department. That's going to be looking at high school kids, which you're going to be able to pull more. And there's no draft. And he's always been good at getting people for his system

on how he wants to win. So I think he's gonna do pretty well. Now we're gonna have to see how the EQ does with the fucking 17 year old Gen Z kid. But, you know, like I think they're gonna know what they're getting into if you're signing with North Carolina going Bill Belichick school. It's just gonna be so funny when he's trying

to like capture the NIL world, you know, and like Michael Jordan and Bill Belichick are collabing for air Belichick's I'll be I'll literally camp out in front of a fucking store. I want some air Bella check. There's no question about it. I mean, I didn't even think about that. Oh, no, he's gonna have to do it. They all have to you have to be a salesman first at the collegiate level to fill out a roster, you got to sell people or these

players on why come to UNC why why be a Tar Heel? What you know, why go through all this for you versus coach be for this program for this money versus this program for that money, like he's gonna have his hands full. But I do agree with you. I think if there's anybody who can make the transition and have success going from the pros to the college level I think it's him. He's not even going to the college level. This is pro football now. Yeah, that's really a good point They went from four million dollars in NIL to they they're raising it to 20 million Which is what Ohio State's spending so you mean to tell me if you this is this is about money now You got kids you got an insane offense and defense alignments

going to no-name schools because they're getting the biggest check. You don't think Bill can get those guys when you just scrape a check to them? Yeah, well. It's gonna be interesting. I'll tell you right now, college football, it's fun. It is fun.

It's fun right now. We may have missed our window, buddy. I mean, because when you think about it, you probably would have left. I would have left. I would have went to Oregon, you would have gone to Oregon in Pac 10. You would have left college a millionaire. I mean, as an offensive lineman, I may have left Penn State a millionaire. Yeah, because

they're making these players are making and will make over the say the next half decade if they let the Wild West continue that is this name image and likeness money. I mean guys are going to be making serious money. That and see that nugget right there an analyst talk the NIL and then he dropped name managers and like listen then he kept his point. That's a pro. That's a pro talker. We're fucking guys a pro. We're gonna we're gonna hold it. We're gonna hold a little class after this. But in the meantime, I don't want you to be- Well that's Kent State, Kent State. No, stop it. Kent State, Kent State.

They're both state educations, and to be perfectly honest with you, I guarantee you went to more classes. I don't- Maybe not, you know what, honestly, maybe not. I retract my former statement. No, wait, listen, we gotta jump back in. We talked about Qualcomm a little bit.

We gotta get into, that was such a fun stadium. Remember when we went out there and played a couple of times? I think we played there once together. Yeah. And what? In 10. Yeah. Devin McCordy's rookie year. Yeah. He went out there, I think, on a Friday, two days before. But I remember that stadium being an old piece of shit. Yes. But it still had a fuck it like it had that charm. It was a tucked up in that hill.

Like how was it going to Qualcomm? There's a lot of history at that place. There is a lot of history. The stick, the candlestick. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's a great call. It was and it was probably built around the same time. Yeah. Qualcomm was a fun place to play because Chargers fans were some of the most avid fans. And I remember, I signed as a free agent in 2013 to be a backup offensive lineman, you know, and the thought process was, hey, you know, Nick Hardwick, he's he's he's playing at a pro bowl level now, but he's getting long in

the tooth, you know, we're gonna have to start thinking about who's going to be replacing him at some point. And the funny thing is, we ended up retiring at the same exact time. That did not work out. But yeah, but but going back to when, when we when I signed with them and I was walking around San Diego, I mean, it was wild, like the fans without a helmet on without a jersey on would know me by name I would get stopped in grocery stores like there is an avid San Diego fan base that I fell in love with and part of the reason why I still live there is because I

Love that sports environment coupled with the weather coupled with the million things million reasons to live in Southern, California But that place got rocking. Like when the- It got rocking. When we were good, when the Chargers were, when we were playing well, I mean, it was a hard place to play and it was a fun environment. What are the differences, cause you've had three stops, New England, Arizona,

San Diego, in a nutshell, what are the differences of each? So I would say New England was the most organized, the place where I did the most learning. Arizona was the best quality of life because Ken Wisenhunt really understood that players are people and you weren't treated like, like, you know, just, hey, you know,

like a bakery line, just pull a number. Yeah, like almost, like, like, you know, just Hey, you know, like a bakery line just a number. Yeah, like almost Yeah, like cattle. Yeah, boys heard him up. Yep. And, and then San Diego, it was Mike McCoy's rookie year as a head coach. And I just remember feeling like it was the first time I felt like a leader in a room where I was doing a lot of teaching, like because we had a new staff. It was right after the Turner years and there were a lot of young guys who needed to learn

quickly because they were going to be getting playing time and sort of behind the scenes. I remember feeling like, oh yeah, like this is what the vets ahead of me were helping me with when I was a rookie in New England. And so that was the difference there is I kind of felt like I was really needed to like help behind the scenes in San Diego with the Chargers back then. Yeah, I mean, that's got to be crazy. New staff. That's crazy that I've never even felt that or I only had one head coach. That's nuts. Well, let me ask you a question. So you play in one place for that long 12 seasons with the New England Patriots. What is it

like as you're seeing the different revolutions of talent and evolutions of game planning and all that happened as the years tick on, you know, you're at year four, year five, year six, all of a sudden you're at year nine. And it's like the the the rosters completely different except for you and Brady basically, Gronk, Gronk, Slate. Yeah, Slate's dog. There's a few guys that were there the whole Cardonia long snapper. Yeah. It's crazy. I think I had 170 guys I played with 170 or 180 different receivers or something along those that that line.

And and it's tough because in that place, as you know, it's such a turn the page mentality, whether good or bad. So you don't get caught up and you don't really get to enjoy or explore a lot of different friendships that you had from core guys that you had because you the standard got higher and higher every year because you kept winning. So every off season was more stressful because whether you accomplished your goal or you were one game from not accomplishing your goal, which we were there fucking five times. Yeah. Like.

It was exhausting and you had to turn the page. It had to like somehow self scout and like reinvolve, re-evolve yourself every year. It was nuts. And so like each year was different because you wouldn't know what that team was until about week six, week five, because you still had new players, a couple new coaches every year, which is the case with every NFL football team. And it takes time for that to gel together. So it's tough.

You get in, there's like three parts of my career. There's the part of my career where I was with you. Early in my career where I was a teamer. And then there was the stage where you're in your prime. And then there's that tail part of your career where it was kind of on the downfall of the empire. Which, it was nuts. An emotional roller coasteraster. But what were

the like the end times like over there? Because I know it sounds apocalyptic. It's not everybody got rich. Everybody won rings. Everything's fine. You know, I'm sure there may be some hard feelings somewhere around the block. But like, what was it like when because we hit it in the heyday, we were drafted in 2009. Some of those teams, even those Super Bowl team that lost in 2011, you could argue 2010, 2011. Those are some of the fiercest teams they've ever fielded during the the Brady Belichick era. But you you kind of saw through that middle part of this dynasty and then opulence and the topple of power and all this thing. Like, what was that like going through that part of it?

You got to a point where. You always heard rumors of things that were going to happen, and you know, we'd always have our team state of the unions in the locker room. We when you were with Slate, you're buddied up in the locker and you're like, you know, what the fuck's going on? They're going to start chopping heads. You start knowing to, you know, we did that. I remember we started owing to win up one of the Super Bowl.

But that year we were having state the union's like, oh, shit, they're going to start changing shit. Yeah, it's like our eighth year, ninth year there. So it's at that point, you know what I mean? But like. You never really it was always just day to day work, you know? And I, at least that's how I kept it. And I had to, you know, do things to keep my mind

in a motivation mode at all times. Because I, you know, when you start from the bottom as a teamer and then you're on your second, third, and you know, you get a Super Bowl MVP, you have to each year, you know, you got to remind yourself and there's always like that chip that I always had. So I didn't get caught up in that and you'd hear stuff like when Brady left I was like, oh fuck, you know, I didn't, it didn't hit me until it happened, you know what I mean? And so then after that you get into the mode like

well fuck these are the guys we're in the we're playing with and you gotta go do it you know what I mean? It's just if you're almost a mercenary your whole career after each year. No makes perfect sense. I remember that feeling that feeling you just described of having your head down working your ass off blocking out all the noise and just concentrating really, it seems so selfish looking back on it in some ways, but like concentrating on just you. Oh, it's very selfish.

And, you know, in my personal life, it's been, you know, that's a huge reason why I haven't had that side of my life because nothing came before football. You're talking about like marriage, relationships. huge reason why I haven't had that side of my life because nothing came before football. You're talking about like marriage, relationship. Marriage, relationship, you know, family member. My family understood.

Yeah, yeah. Your family understands. But when you try to bring, you know, everything like you said at the beginning is time management. And I had time slotted out for one reason. Being great. Trying to be great. One reason to go perform on fucking Sunday

for three hours that's what everything predicated around it's crazy it's such a pursuit and I think everybody thinks about football players from the standpoint of like the the weight room and the you know like the things that are caught on, but the things that I remember being the hardest is like, like willing your body to do things it doesn't want to do, like constantly like begging your knees just got we just got to get through this sprint workout. And then I promise I'll ice you, you know what I mean? Like, or get through this practice or get me to Sunday or whatever it is like it's the in between

like, like you were talking about earlier. I don't think we were on the on the podcast yet. But you were saying how like even now like you you have to kind of do a lot of upkeep to get your body. Keep your body going. Yeah, I remember toward the end of my playing career. That's what the most frustrating part was. Like like doing all that stuff and getting less output, but then just mentally feeling like, I'm like spinning my wheels here.

Like nothing's really working anymore the way I wanted to. That's the psychological battle of an Asian athlete. Yeah. You know, and everyone has felt that. It just happens at different times for each guy. Explain Tom Brady. I mean, explain how he did it for as long as he did. I don't think it's a it's a product of the perfect storm.

Yeah, it's a. His health and wellness lifestyle. Yeah, that's real. Yeah, that shit's real. Like the guy, you know, he wouldn't put anything in his body that he didn't think that was fucking great. Whatever Alex said, he did that. If Alex said, eat a turd, this will make you fucking heal faster.

I'm going to be honest with you. When I was in New England, if Alex Perao asked me to eat a turd, I would have done it. I mean, if one's good, two's better. I mean, I would. I did select this shit. I do that. But then also, I think a lot of has to do with the rule changes as well. Yeah. You know, he he's the first quarterback that went from

the medieval time football to what it is now. That's true. Where the quarterback is so protected. So these guys and he and his his build has always been in the pocket. So he hasn't had to be, you know, rad explosive to get outside the pocket or this. He could work everything he had to work until he was 45. And that's a testament to his hard work and his lifestyle. But it's also a testament to, you know,

you watch some of these quarterbacks that got hit back in the day, or even earlier in his career when his helmet got taken off. You know what I mean? These guys were getting hit hit and then we look at Trevor Lawrence who goes down and doesn't think he should even be touched Like this is a national football. These are fucking animals, dude Yeah, you got to protect yourself at all goddamn time. It doesn't matter if it's a free player. You can't get hit You know what I mean? So like I think it's the perfect storm It really is is probably accurate like there's always an intersection of...

And he's just great, touched by God. Yeah, touched by God. Right. So there's some of that luck factor, whatever it is, I mean, met with the most I've ever seen anybody work on his body, on his diet, nutrition, health, physical fitness, body work. He hired a guy to literally keep an eye on it so he didn't have to. Every single aspect of his life was encompassing

or was circled around being the best he could possibly be today. And that level of sacrifice, it's so rare and so unique. And it's also, he's got like. He's got an extraordinary ability to compartmentalize. That is extraordinary. You know what I mean? Like it didn't matter what was going on in his life. Yep. Tom Brady was the same guy every day at work. Yeah.

Like almost a nerd guy that was in there at first with his book, taking notes, hand up. Fucking heroically unflappable. And it didn't matter if it was on the field, it didn't matter if it was in the film room, it didn't matter, like what was going on the outside, you would have no idea. I mean, like you said, he could get leveled,

he could throw an interception on the pass drive. The next time he goes on the field, it's dimes all the way down for a tutty and we're back on top of the scoreboard. And you're like, how, but that's the perfect way to describe it. But it's not even just those things. It was the things outside of football.

Like he had family problems, his mom was, like he was a fucking, like you wouldn't know because once that's how That's a fucking that's a talent to like really he's got like this goal setting talent If he wants that fucking goal doesn't like he can focus on it. Yes. It's like some you know Psychological murder shit. No, it really like it's almost sociopathic. Yeah, that's what that's how I was looking forward to see Rich, thanks. But I loved it so much because there was all that, like the cold-blooded killer side, and that's the Sunday's time and the practice time.

But then he's a guy who would take his tray over to some knucklehead dick burger out of Penn State who just got drafted in the fourth round and know my bio. Like would sit down with his co-workers and be like, hey, I'm going to be a good player. to some knucklehead, you know, Dick burger out of Penn State who just got drafted in the fourth round and know my bio, like would sit down with his cottage cheese and blueberries or whatever the fuck he eats or avocado smoothies and be like, you know, tell asking me about my parents and like, and you grew up in New York, right? Be like, how the shit do you know that dude? Like, yeah, I do. And like, we would go, like, he developed a rapport really quick with his teammates. So it wasn't

just the football stuff. Like he understood it was everything that was important to having a whole team to having a whole picture. And I loved it so much. It was it was like having like, you know, an uncle or a big brother who was guiding the process and taking a lot of the thought out of it for you. It was pretty cool. It was pretty cool. But like, your uncle, he was the guy that like,

started like Facebook and like, he was like the cool uncle but hella rich. Yeah! Had like, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. But he never knew he was, he was kind of adored, but. Mark Zuckerberg, cool uncle. Tom Brady's Mark Zuckerberg, basically.

Now, talking about the culture that we had, now we talk about how strenuous it was, but it was guys like you, jokesters, storytellers, that made that whole thing possible, which we had a great chemistry of that stuff in between, in the building. Who are some of the funniest guys that that you played with because you were clear, like I talk about you all the time

as being one of the funniest fucking guys and we'll get into it. Like your storytelling, your Joe Pau accent. Hey old bugger, is that you? Oh, he fucking hated me. Oh my gosh. Remember his voice, let me hear it. Oh no, yeah, I mean, so, okay. is player verse it will jump into Joe Paul Joe Joe Joe one time

I got into a fight with a defensive tackle out of like the Maryland Baltimore Virginia area and this big dude Phil big Phil And I took his helmet off. I'm swinging out of my throat. It's a practice, right and he's pissed He's like hey on burger. You gotta get off the field you're an animal it's not even worth it with you I'm gonna send you on the next thing smoking back to national community college and like I'm just like I'm like I'm mad so I'm giving him the finger from across the field like double birds to Joe Paterno as I'm leaving the field my offensive line coach

grabs my arm as I'm walking out of our indoor facility. He was like, you've just made a big mistake, Richard. And I walked to the locker room, you know, he tossed me off the field. So I'm walking in the locker room, take a shower, hop on the bench. And he comes walking. So Joe later on, he's got his khaki pants on his ankles exposed. I don't think anybody taught him how to wear pants. And he's walking through the locker room and he goes, he stops in my locker and he just looks at me he goes, you New Yorkers, you're all the same

and I fucking can't stand it. And he just kept walking and he rarely cursed so I was like, Jesus. And he just kept watching. And he rarely cursed, so I was like, Jesus. Funny thing is, he's from New York. He's from Brooklyn. I'm like, Joe, what the? But I think there was a part of him, and there was a part of Bill Balachek, there was a part of all my coaches

who appreciated the fact that I was a little nuts, a little out of my mind. And I think you have to be to play the sport. You have to enjoy pain to a certain level. You have to enjoy contact. There's no doubt about that. I loved it. It's the reason why I found football.

It's like football and me, we found each other because I was this rambunctious kid who I guess you would call a kid like us now like sensory seekers, like you just want to crash into everything and just, you know, you want to be in the middle of it, right. And so I was a physical guy, a tough guy, a mean guy on the field, but I was coachable. And I could take a lot of shit. So if you needed a guy who you needed to make an example out

of, I mean, Paterno did that my entire time at Penn State. I don't think I started a single spring game. I think he just buried me on the depth try and be like, you're not gonna start around here. And then I ended up starting 40 games or whatever it was, 36 games at Penn State. You're never gonna start around here. Why do I?

Because you're a loose cannon, you know, like you're a pain in my ass, whatever it was. And, but he I think he liked it. Because if I skipped class, and he could make an example out of me, it would put the fear of God into the underclassmen coming in. And, and yeah, so I mean, it's funny, at the time, it felt dicey. At the time, I felt like I was going to get thrown out on my ear and be back working at the Meadow

Dairy in East Meadow, New York cutting cold cuts. We're getting somebody a half pound of bologna and saying, Yeah, one time I was drafted by the Patriots. You want a heavy half pound? Yeah, just extinguish a cigarette like but yeah, it all worked out. Happy Valley. That hadn't been a cool experience. It was incredible. Yeah. It's like many of the moments in your football career where you don't even realize like how cool it is until you're on the outside looking in.

Like the whole town shuts down for football. It's it's classic Big Ten country. State college is a middle nowhere town. It's cows and football players and a couple of people going to the campus to watch football games and that's about it. And so it was nuts, you would have the RVs all out on the grass fields outside the stadium,

Beaver Stadium leading up to kickoff. And while I was there, it was a good pocket to be at Penn State because we were a recruiting class that kind of kicked off, you know, getting back to winning there. Like, it was going down this direction, the needle was pointing down, and there were some rumblings about,

hey, you know, Joe's lost it, you know, maybe it's time to move on from Joe-Paw. And we kind of took off 2005. We go to the Orange Bowl, we have an awesome season, we pump out like some awesome NFL talent. We beat Bowdoin's team in the the Orange Bowl that year. That was a crazy and then it just we continued winning. And you know, I ended up finishing my career 2008 season we were a one loss Penn State team we played against USC and the Rose Bowl. And I think up finishing my career 2008 season. We were a one-loss Penn State team.

We played against USC in the Rose Bowl. And I think I remember that. Yeah, we lost it. So Mark Sanchez, he fucking carved us up. Mark Sanchez, we might have gotten him the whatever he was, the sixth overall draft pick, because we sat in cover three. And he just crushed us. We could do nothing to stop him.

And then offensively, we just, we weren't scoring well enough. I mean, they were such a talented defense. They were fast. I think Clay Matthews was out there. Mauluga. Oh, yeah. That was when USC was still USC. That was like P. Carroll time over there.

Just after, right? Didn't he leave? He just left. Might have like Pete Carroll time over there. Just after, right? Didn't he leave? He just left. Might have been his final season. Yeah. It might have been his final season. But yeah, they were good. But yeah.

What's the bus ride after losing to USC on the way home? What's Joe Pa doing? I mean, dude, I barely remember post game of the Rose Bowl. Yeah, Rose Bowl's a grand daddy. It's the grand. But I barely remember postgame of the Rose Bowl. Yeah, Rose Bowl is a granddaddy It's the grand dad, but I do remember this I remember Being on field level in Pasadena and thinking like oh, that's why the grass looks so green because they paint it After we finished that game I was covered in green paint because you know, I'm squirrely I'm get out there trying to cut down linebackers because you know I'm squirrely I'm getting out there trying

to cut down linebackers and shit and I'm coded I mean but yeah it's a it's a scene set right out of Hollywood it was it was cool but after the game I know how I felt I'm sure a lot of guys feel this way when you're you finish your final game I was ready I was just ready I wanted to get out of there I wanted to see what was next I had no idea if I was ready. I was just ready. I wanted to get out of there. I wanted to see what was next. I had no idea if I was going to be drafted or if I was even going to catch on at the next level. So draft day was a huge surprise. Yeah, it was I was I was very ready to be done at the college level. Before we move on from the Rose Bowl. I heard a story that

before the game you went to the improv. We went to the Hollywood improv. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You didn't stand up. Yeah, I got on a show but Friedman who's like the father of stand up comedy, we had to present him a team ball of assigned it. And there was always like he's a father of stand up comedy. I'm like, what Jesus Christ didn't tell any jokes like, like, I mean, what are we doing with this guy on

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you could join us for the postseason run. So Penn State's, they're hosting a game that's going to be fucking wild. It's going to be crazy. Who's they playing? Is it SMU? I think it is. Southern Methodist. Ooh, it's going to be a little chilly there too, probably. Huh? It'll be cold. Yeah, it's cold in Happy Valley this time of year. Yeah, I'm curious how that goes. I mean, they call James Franklin small game James, and I hate it because I think he's a great guy. He was great to me and my family

when I came out there for a spring game. I think he's a great recruiter. He had a tough situation after everything that happened at Penn State. It was years later because our boy Billy Oh was the head coach there for the first stint. And then when Franklin got there, I mean, he completely changed the culture and, you know, keeping up with the times and all that stuff. So I'm hoping they have success. They get this playoff win under their belt and they continue on. We could win a chip this year. I mean, it's a real thing.

It is. When this episode airs, they have already won a championship. There it is. There it is. OK, so Penn State won? Yeah. Oh my god.

This is the best day of my life. This one's for Paterno peach ice cream. This one's for Sandusky. Also, let's also pretend if they lose, like, god, I mean, I think it's just these fucking's fucking guys ran out of gas. It's like James Frank. Is it not Keegan Peele over there as head coach? What was his name again? What did they call Franklin?

I mean, I guess they were right. No, I hope they beat the brakes off of SMU. SMU. It's a white out. You white out. Yeah, that's going to be fucking awesome. It's going to be rad. So, Rich, you get drafted to New England. We both get drafted in 2009. And you being a funny guy get to enter a room

with Matt Light in it. Oh my God, Matt Light. And I also tell, I wanna talk about Matt Light. And then I also, I tell the story because everything that's going on, Randy Moss, our thoughts and prayers are with him But I always tell the story that he used to call you fucking coach the day you came in and we had to

We had to announce our names in front of the whole team. You remember that? Yeah. Oh, I remember. Can you tell me explain that? So I get drafted by the Patriots. It's 2009 Randy's coming off like this unbelievable time he's been crushing it and You know, it's it's a little bit before the veterans start coming around the building But when when we have OTAs we have the mini camps and things like that You know Randy's in the locker room. And I remember it came in waves. And I'm sure you felt the same way. It's like, Oh, my god, that's Tom Brady. It's like, Oh, my god, that's Randy

Moss. Like you're playing with these guys now. But but slowly, but surely it starts to feel more normal. You know, you start to realize, Oh, these are just my buddies. We're playing football. It's all the same as it was in college, or high school. But there was this weird thing he gave me this nickname, and it happened immediately. I have no idea why because we barely spoke to each other outside of passing by each other in the hallway, or outside the meeting rooms are

on the football field. You know, we're on our way to the football field. Yeah, you'll be like, Hey, what's up, coach? He called me coach. So Randy would call me everywhere. You know, we'd be waiting in like, Oh, yeah, coach. Yeah, I know you're gonna get on this pot roast because you look like pot roast coach and you big fat fucker. I bet you Oh, you're gonna have two pieces of pot roast. Yeah, bet you bet. You know what? Have three have three, you know, you know,

Randy with the West Virginia. And so I'm like, Oh, my gosh. I'm like, maybe, like, maybe it's like I'm in man, like, he gave me a nickname. Like I'm telling people from back home, like, Randy Moss gave me a nickname, he really likes me. That's what I'm telling you that it was so cool that he had a fucking nickname. He was so funny. He had a nickname. Yeah, like immediately I was like, this is the best. And then we it was it's standard. It's customary Bill Belichick at one

point or another in the offseason. he has all the rookies get in front of the room and say their name, who they are, whatever it was. And so I get up there. And I can't remember if it was in the meeting or immediately after but Randy Moss pulls me aside. He goes, motherfucker, you a player? He goes, you up you've been a player this whole time. I think it was in front of the whole team. You gray hair bitch. I thought you was a coach. He was like, you're a player. Oh, hell no. Bill, do we waste a draft pick on this motherfucker?

Are you kidding me? This gray? He was like, what is he gonna go out there and break a hip? God damn Bill. And I'm just like, Oh, my God, that was not a nickname. It was not a nickname. He thought I was a fucking coach. He thought he was a coach. How unbelievably embarrassing. I mean, I told everybody, I was like,

yeah, Randy really likes me. It's going pretty well, gang. Yeah, yeah. Dude, now how does Dante Scarnechio have you and Matt Light in a meeting? And how did you just can you explain the dynamic in a quiet Logan Mankins? Yeah, I want to hear how it was from your rookie perspective. So I walk into the room and Matt Light is a pro bowl offensive tackle. I mean, just he was like Batman.

Like, you know, you'd be like, gosh, you know, how are we gonna, they gotta change this light bulb. And all of a sudden you take something off the bat belt, they'd be like, boop, boop, boop, boop. And he'd like unscrew the light bulb. And he'd be like, you know, it'd be funny. You know, it'd be funny if we replace it with a firecracker this way,

when they walk in and smoke the ticket. You know, he always had like a prank he wanted to play. I'm just like, Matt, what the fuck? But he always had all these toys and these gadgets and these things. And he always had ideas. He's a big idea guy. I love being around people like that. So Matt's in the room. You have Logan Mankins, who's this Central Valley, California shit kicker farmer, who is just roughing dudes up on the regular

literally could grab like a 300 pound defensive tackle, up end him, stick him in a trash can, kick it over down a hill, like it's nothing to him. He had the strongest goddamn hands. Huge. I've ever shaken in my entire life. He was wrapped around your wrist. Dude, yeah, you shake his hand, you're getting an elbow massage.

Yeah. It is ridiculous. So Logan's here. He's a pro baller Hall of Fame. He better be in the Hall of an elbow massage. It is ridiculous. So Logan's here. He's a pro bowler, hall of fame. He better be in the hall of fame one day. He's incredible. Steve Neal. Steve Neal, wrestler.

Wrestler. They found him. He was like a freestyle world champion wrestler. And then I think it was Philly's practice. Philly signed him first. He was on practice squad, got cut, signed by the Patriots or whatever, but he ends up working his way to starting offensive lineman in the league, played 10 years, 11 years, whatever it was,

won three Super Bowls, like, incredible human being, like the nicest guy you ever met. Loved Four Locos. Loved them. Dude, and did you ever go on a taco run with the Four Locos with Steve? The little place in Pawtucket? Yeah I can't dude it was that place actually served great tacos really good tacos. I go fucking mobile home So Steve was there in that room Oh Dan Copen cope cope's the best and then coping

I never without a dip in his lip and and was just so snarky and he had this nasally voice and be like, fucking Ornberger class clown over here. We'll see if he makes it kind of guy. But I love Dan. I learned a lot from Dan. Like Dan was the type of guy who would like bull, yeah, bull, yeah, bull, yeah. And then he would teach you like the lesson you needed it would like unlock something in your brain. You'd be like, Holy shit, that's how you see this, you yeah, bull yeah, bull yeah. And then he would teach you like the lesson you needed it would like unlock something in your brain you'd be like, Holy shit, that's how you see this, you know, whatever it is a line call an adjustment on a play. He

was just a brilliant dude. And then I'm trying to think if I remember Donald, oh, Donald, are you around with Donald? Yeah, well, we cross Thomas, Donald Thomas for like, only an offseason. Because they put a lot that put a real duck in his fucking locker after practice. Oh, did he do this for like a year? Yes, and he was he had ducks show up in different parts of his life for a year. Yes that Another weird story was nobody knew where a pet duck. Nobody knew where the ducks were coming No, by the way, no,. He would find them in his helmet.

He would be putting his helmet on. He was like, another duck. It was a problem for Donald. It was a problem. What's something that stands out with Matt Light that you remember? Matt Light, oh man. In a meeting.

Matt, one time, he put a, I don't even know what to call it a microchip or he switched out the mouse on Dante Scarnecchia is computer. He told that story. Oh, he told it on the Okay, so I won't repeat this. So I'll give you the briefest version. So basically, this this little mouse it messes with the cursor on the screen. So it'll work for about five minutes. But at some point, you can have it on a timer.

It's going to go away from where you're trying to point to. So Dante for, I'm not kidding, the better part of like 10 weeks of a season, thought that the IT guys in New England were complete idiots. He was like, I mean, they come in and they're over here circle jerking around the computer and nothing's getting fixed.

I can't fucking teach if I can't click on the right. And then they would walk in and be like, Dante, what are you trying to click on? I'm trying to click on cut up number two, you know, and he's giving them the business and then they try it with the mouse. But Matt, when Dante would leave to get the IT guys pull it out, he would switch it back out and nobody would see him do it. So then the IT guys would come in and be like, yeah, Dante, the mouse works.

Everything's cool. And so Dante thought he was going nuts, or he thought they were lying to him. It went on so much longer than was fair. Dante Scarnecchia was losing his fucking mind that year, and it was all Matt Light. It was all his fault. It was fair. Like Dante's Garnet gear was losing his fucking mind that year. And it was all Matt light. It was all his fault. It was incredible. I still don't know if Dante knows what happened that year. I don't think he knows. It was incredible. Yeah. But then Dante was the ringleader. He had to

try to find a way to rein in all this like in. I mean, to this point in my life, I don't know if I saw a more cohesive unit on any football field than the New England Patriots offensive line when he was at the head of the class because Dante he just found a way to connect with everybody he was an amazing teacher he'd slow it down for some he'd speed it up for others he spent the time after practice there are so many coaches assistant coaches, who are in a rush to get off the field.

He really spent the time with us, and I benefited greatly because my whole life, I feel like every single situation I've ever walked into, I'm an unfinished product, like by leaps and bounds. Like I look around me, I'm like, why is everybody so much better than me? And like I needed help, and Dante gave me help. I love that man. He taught me hard lessons. He taught me the right lessons. He was an incredible

coach. Incredible teacher too. I saw that when we when he was gone. You know, I just always I didn't realize it until he was gone. Because I remember when he would he would yell at these linemen, he would yell at you guys. Oh, my God. And I want to get into your welcome to the NFL moment with Dante Scarnechio after this. But he would yell at guys in front of the in the offensive meeting. But he would yell. He would he would call him a fat fuck or a fat piece of shit. But then he would follow it up with the technique that you had to do.

So he go, you fat fuck, put your right foot, drop it right here. Then you put your left hand right there instead of a coach that's just yelling like, come on, guys, we got to do it better than that. Like he would give you play for play what you needed to do to get it right. And that's why I saw he was such a fucking great coach. One thousand percent. You know what I mean? It wasn't just like, hey, you screwed it up. No, do better. It was like, this would be a Dante line. He'd be like,

hey, ass eyes. What the fuck were we doing in the meeting room the entire time before we took the goddamn field? And you be like, I'm not sure there was so much and you'd be like, we were working on you know, whatever we called it there. You know, if the mic backer is mugged up in the a gap and he would be like, we were working on whatever we called it there. You know, if the mic backer is mugged up in the a gap and he bails, you got to pop if you're the center and look out to the fucking right because Sam screaming off the edge and you're like, okay, I'm sorry. But like you're hearing

all this and like meanwhile, internally, you're doing all the stuff I was just doing. And like on the outside, usually, you got it Dante. Yes, sir. And don't call me sir Motherfucker that just means fuck you and you're just like, okay now another thing to remember I can't call him sir. It was like it was intense. It was intense But it was I it was incredible because you learned you learned really quick It was gonna survive and who wasn't there were guys who could handle the pressure and that's all it was. It was just a pressure test. If you

can't handle a five foot six, assistant coach who you know, I mean, like, he wouldn't be able to knock you over if he tried shouting in your face at practice, how the hell are you going to be able to handle the Cincinnati Bengals or the Seattle Seahawks or the Dallas Cowboys. Like, you better be able to handle this, otherwise you're not going to do any of that. Yeah, but if you're going to handle Scar, you have to kill Scar.

The Scar would come. That motherfucker had spent his 45 to an hour in that SwimX every goddamn morning. And he had the slowest heart rate on the team. I used to compete with him for like a five- year span. He had such a slow heart rate because he was in such great shape. He was already dead. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. As it turns out, we found out years later he had died back in the early seventies and it was just a vampire. That's but I know he's a great guy. I love I have nothing bad to say about what's your welcome to the moment?

Cuz I remember the first day a rookie camp I heard him scream something like you fat fuck you gonna be bouncing around the league for seven years woman the back of Walmart doing these things for five dollars because I get fired for trying to make you right or do 100 you I mean I you must have been doing wide receiver individuals right where we were doing center quarterback exchange. So before practice, if you were going to play interior offensive line at all in New England, you're taking snaps with Dante. Because like we all know, there are games where all of a sudden you run

out of centers, you know, you run out of tackles sometimes a tight end has to shift over like shit happens. You only get whatever it is, 46 active players on a sideline. So you better be versatile. And so he had all the interior offense linemen taking a center quarterback exchange. He's got his hands under center. He takes snaps from us. So tiny little Dante Scarnecckia has his his tiny little hands under my giant fat ass. And he's shouting out cadences. And I snap a football and he swears it was shallow. So he said, you like so I it hits the ground. I feel it. It hits my ankle. So I turn around and I

look at him and I was like, where did it hit you? Like I'm like pointing to my hand, trying to find out like what depth and before I could finish showing him on my hand, ask him like, where did it hit you? Like, I'm like pointing to my hand, trying to find out like what depth. And before I could finish showing him on my hand, ask him like, so where, he lunges at me and he grabs my face mask with two hands. He is now doing fucking chin ups on my face mask and screaming the most profane rant I had ever heard in my entire life, telling me that I'm going to be offering sex

services for work, telling me that I'm no good, that I'm dumb as shit, that life is going to be bad for me if I don't figure out how to snap footballs to him. And I remember he- This is day one. This is day one. This is day one in New England. Day one. We just got drafted. Well, Kizuna. He kicks the fucking football and I'm staring at it like kind of still in shock from the moment and he goes now Don't just look at the football go fucking get it and let's do this over

So I run over I grab the football and I jog back kind of at a leisurely pace. He's like, okay We're waiting on you now. I'm like, okay. I'm sorry. So snap the football. And I mean, it was off to the races. It's like, this is the level of accountability that happens here. There's no time for discussing. His old point was well-founded. I mean, in a football game, you're never going to snap a football.

And if you feel it hit your ankle, turn around and be like, was that one a little too low for you? You're going to have to block somebody so he's like if it hits the ground you run and you hit somebody and then figure out if you have possession of football coach plays over still coaching yeah motherfucking but coach hit someone if it's out there your quarterbacks have to get there yeah yeah oh that was my welcome time but there were so many I'm sure you have some too, like, where you see something happen at the pro level where you're just like, I've never seen that before. Randy Moss, our buddy, like you

said, I remember the first day when the vets came. Remember that because we had our rookie camp and we had like four days and then we were there for a while. And then that first day when we when you see Randy Moss and Tom Brady connected on the sideline effortlessly whole different world. It was like, Oh, man, that's fucking cool. Yeah, like and that's like, that's what it looked. I guess that's what it's supposed to look like a one. You're like, Okay, well, well, I'm never gonna get anywhere near

that level. But maybe I could like brush up against the basement of that level. Maybe. But Randy Moss, I remember one time training camp practice, it was my our first training camp. And I, I started our first training camp injured because I actually tore my hamstring during the 40 yard test. And so I was on the the training room table for like 10 days before I got back out there. Randy, I remember it was a team drill. Randy was going against like some rookie or second year corner. And this guy, I guess felt like he covered

him going downfield on a play. And Randy was running just, you know, fly route, go route, whatever, just down the sideline. And this this kid was drawn to him. And so Randy, he's pointing, I mean, shouting something down the field. You can't hear it. It's inaudible at first, but you just know Randy's pissed. So he's like, oh, hell no, no, no. We're going to run that shit back, Billy.

Oh, none of this bullshit. That's our offensive coordinator at the time, Billy O'Brien. He was like, no, no, no. We running that shit again. Tommy, OK, right? Yep, we're going to do it. And so Randy's in control now at Bill steps aside. We're gonna run that play again. So this corner knows what plays

coming. He just successfully covered Randy Moss just moments ago. But I guess he wasn't given his 100% effort. He knew what Randy was going to do. He blows by him and he has five steps in front of him by the time they're 15 yards down the field. And I shit you nod jewels. Tom throws a perfect ball to his inside shoulder. He never even looks at the fucker. He just goes like this. He kind of side eyes it throws his hand out catches it and then holds his hand in the

air as he's running to the end zone, talking shit the entire time into the end zone all the way back to The huddle and then he spiked it off the corners head got in the huddle. They ran the next play I was like, what did we just witness? Yeah, I remember that that was so fun Randy didn't even warm up with the team. No So it used to be offense defense Randy would always be with V. He'd have his fucking gloves on. Remember? Oh, yeah. Hang it up. He wouldn't even be tied. He'd be out there just talking with V cold shot, bro. Randy, he was a

man. He was such a fun, fun, fun teammate. And he would mother fuck us. But when people weren't around, he'd always give you some knowledge. He'd always buddy me up, like, cause I was in his room. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. So it must've been something dude. But he would always, you know, I was quiet in my room because you know, you have Randy Moss, West Welker, fucking Greg Lewis we just traded for, Joey Galloway.

Oh my God, Joey. Yeah. Joey Galloway. So like, I didn't say shit, but Randy, you know, when we had to go pay for shit, he'd always take care of me. Tori Holt was he on our team? That was two years. That was the next year. Oh, OK. Yeah. But I mean, we were retired. Yeah. The conditioning test with the Ziggs. Yes. Yeah. I'm sorry, Tori. I'm sorry, but I got to tell the story.

Yeah, no, he'm sorry, Tory. I'm sorry, but I gotta tell the story. Yeah, no, he was awesome. No, we were on our conditioning test just to come back right before. Yeah. And he was wearing, remember those Reebok Zigs? Yeah, they had the little zigzag design on the sole. Yeah. Conditioning test 2060s. Okay. Pretty easy. It's not too bad.

It's not too... For receivers, we gotta run. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You guys run. We get to rep number four. He takes his shorts off. Rep number five shirts. Yeah, yeah. Rep number six. He looks down and he says, don't do this to me, Ziggs. And he walked off the field. I never saw him again. Never. He retired, right? The fucking conditioning test got him. That is the coolest thing I've ever heard in my life. He's like, but he was he was older at the time.

Oh, no, I know. I mean, like it happened a lot in in New England. Like he should be in the hall, too. Yeah, he should be. He needs to be in the hall. They got a couple that need to be over there. Yeah. Greatest show on turf. Oh, my God. Yeah, he should be. He needs to be in the hall. They got a couple that need to be over there. Yeah. Greatest show on turf. Oh my god. Yeah, that team with man they fall. Isaac Bruce, Bruce, they were at a couple of the white pace was on it was there. They had a bunch of guys. Yeah. Man. Yeah, you're not kidding. You know, you have that 40 test

where I tore my hamstring our rookie year, it was same thing. Well, it wasn't the same thing as Torrey. I didn't quit the team, but it was literally the, it was the fourth rep. And so, I mean, I had been training like all of us, like crazy, like. You get a lot of anxiety, so let me paint the picture for everyone. Yeah, yeah.

You know, when you're doing the 40 test in New England, okay, it's not just, you get there, you do your physical. And then everyone in the organization in player personnel department, fucking GM, every coach, anyone that has any kind of dealing with any kind of player are out lined up watching like it's a fucking meat market. And they're all sitting there mugging you. They all got a fucking meat market. And they're all sitting there mugging you. They all got a fucking note paper and they're sitting there taking notes. So there's a lot of pressure if you don't know the test. You it's it's easy test, but guys get overhyped for it

because of all these guys sitting there watching. I was one of those guys who got pretty overhyped. So I'm in good shape. You know, I'm fresh out of college. I, you know, I'm, I'm fine. I'm, I'm ready for this test. I've been doing it at home, the whole off season leading up. So we start the test and for the, the fat guys, for the offensive lineman, you got to just make sure you finish under six seconds. Every single one, you got to finish under six seconds and you're fine. So you get two seconds for the yard

So if it's 40 get six for the skill, it's 50 they get seven. Yep We were 60 at eight. So we we would we'd run down you get 30 or 40 seconds Whatever you run back you run down and it's just 40 yards back and forth back and 30 second rest And then set of ten you get about a two minute break to grab a sip of water and you're doing another set of ten And that's your 20 reps while in rep four, I'm running down. And all of a sudden I feel my hamstring go and I mean, I've never torn my hamstring before in my life. And I'm like, Oh my god, I've never

felt that before. So I'm hobbling to get through I finish in time. But you know, 10 seconds into the rest, I'm stretching my leg, I can get down like halfway to my toes, you know, 20 seconds into the rest, I can stretch down to my knee, maybe like my thigh. I mean, I'm thinking like, I'm not going to be able to run, I'm going to literally tear this muscle off the bone. And all of a sudden, Sebastian Vollmer, who was drafted in the second round our year, he was this giant German, German by way of Houston he played for the Cougs

in college got drafted by New England he had this bizarre accent because he was of German descent learned English in Houston so he goes hey rich was that your hamstring of mine and I'm just like it was mine he was like because it popped it was loud I'm like yeah and so was mine. He was like, because it popped, it was loud. I'm like, yeah. And so he takes off for the next rep and I take a seat. And so my NFL career started instead of German accent.

On the football field, I'm in the training room and it was not great because. That's the worst place to be, especially when you're rookie at made the, you know what I mean? You're new. Oh, and every guy comes in there. And this is New England, where Randy comes in there looks he like, Oh, what are you doing here? Oh, that's really or guys come in. And it's like you you you feel bad for being hurt. Yeah. Oh,

they make you feel bad. Like it's your fault your hamstring exploded. Now it kind of was my fault because even though it was a 315 pound offensive lineman, I ran like a band leader. Like, I mean, like literally like my legs were kicked out. I mean, like just a ridiculous stride. I had to relearn how to run because I realized I'm pretty hammy dominant. I mean, you see my ass. I mean, it is. I mean, I'm, I'm all posteriory dominant. I mean you see my ass. I mean it is I mean I'm I'm all posterior chair I mean there's no question about it

But yeah, so those guys walk through like a Dallis Thomas or Randy or guys who played in the league for you know Brady forever they would be like Like can't make the the club in the tub scrub. I'd be like great. This is great This is they wouldn't say something mean, but they give you a look or yeah, I'd be like, great. This is great. This is exactly they wouldn't say something mean, but they give you a look. Or yeah, just a look like Oh, like, what do you got? And you be like hamstring and they'd be like, got it. And then you'd be

like, okay. Yeah, got it. Yeah. Oh, actually Richard Seymour. So same training camp. Richard Seymour Hall of Famer. Hall of Famer. He's rehabbing a back. Same time I'm getting back from this from this hamstring tear. And so we're I'm good to know him. Like Richard's a super quiet guy, super introverted, doesn't like to talk to anybody. No one. But I like to talk to everybody. So I'm just talking his ear of him. Hey, we're two Richards, right? Let's

get to know each other. And so he before long, I got him like smiling, I got him laughing. And we were doing a bunch of because he's a defensive lineman, he's going to be ramping up to get back to practice. I'm an offensive lineman. So when he's testing the back and I'm texting testing the hamstring strength, we're going against each other in the indoor away from you know practice off to the side fields Whatever and so I'm starting to trust my hamstring a little bit more he's getting his back right and we both hit the field around the same time back back on the practice field and so

We're doing one-on-ones offensive line versus defensive line and it it is my first one on ones since I've been in New England because I missed the first week and a half of training camp. I missed like, because it was all two a days, I missed like 12 or 13 practices. It was insane. 13. Dude, so.

And six days, now they give mandatory day off after four days of camp. No kidding, is that the new? Mandatory day off after four days of single. No kidding. Is that the new Four mandatory day off after four days of single camp. That would have been pretty cool. Nice. We were doing we were doing things differently back then. Man, it was so I go out for these one on ones and I first

person first rattle out of the box. It's Richard. It's me. It's my buddy Richard. Richard Seymour. So I get in at guard. And I think it was Dante Scarnacchia, the offensive line coach blowing the whistle for the drill. We got a quarterback bag behind us about six yards where you know, the drop Yep. And so blow the whistle. I get out of my stance and I set Richard Seymour. And when I say set Richard Seymour, I wouldn't actually know that because he was behind me before my before my hands even extended. I'm like, what just

happened? So I'm like, okay, I'm all right. Like I guess he I thought he jumped off sides. I thought they were gonna run it back because they were like, like you're you're clearly you you went you went early. No, I was so slow. He was so fast. That's what that was what that looked like. So Dante screams at me yells at me he goes, we're doing it again. We're doing it again. So I got to go again against Richard. So this time, I take a much shallower set, which means I didn't step as far. I kind of almost like set in place. I just basically lifted my hand up off

the ground. And I'm like, he's not getting by me this time. Richard Seymour took me with two hands by my chest plate, lifted me off the damn ground and threw me on the back of the head on the other side of the quarterback bag. I'm like, Richard, I thought we were friends. It was insane. I'm like, oh, it's different. So then I moved to left guard. Because Dante wants to see if I have chops at my natural position where I played, you know, whatever it was 35 games at left guard at Penn State, he was like, why he get over to left guard. So I go left guard. And I'm going against Big V. I'm going against Vin Vinny Will Fork. And so I'm

like, let's see how this one goes. So I again, do the same thing against Richard that I did against Richard where I short set, I just lift my left hand up. And I basically set in place and I'm bracing for impact because he's gonna bull rush me. You just saw Richard literally lift me like I was a newborn child. So I hunker down and I give I give Vince a good pop. And dude, he he drops to a knee. And so I'm like, Oh, yes, I guess I've arrived. I can play at this level. That's Vince Will Fork. I just put him on his

knee. Things are looking up for old tricky dicky Ornberger. Well, guess what? So it turns out Vince Wilfork slipped and I was unaware of it but Pepper Johnson, his defensive line coach wasn't so he goes no no we got to do that again. So Pep spinning his whistle smiling behind Vincent. He blows the whistle Vinnie takes off lifts me up like I am a newborn baby and throws me on the back of my head. And that's how I started one on ones at the NFL level. I think I remember that on low lights. It was, oh yeah.

It was, it was almost like it was, it was broadcasted during the bill wanted to show rookie wasn't practicing and we all been getting mother fuck for eight days. And it's just a, you know, correction city. I remember Bill puts it up on the screen and he goes, I mean, he doesn't even say anything. The worst part is when he would put things on the screen and it's a low light and he wouldn't even say anything. He had the picture of I think it was the the one on one rep against Vince

where he dumped me on my head and And he's just holding the little laser dot right at the point. So everybody, he's rewinding it and playing it and rewinding and playing. And then he just goes, he goes, you guys didn't do any one-on-ones at Penn State? And I'm just like, everybody's laughing. You feel like the whole world, I'm like, I'm getting cut, that's it. I mean, this has been a fun ride.

It's been like a cool 13 days, but I'm going home, yeah. That is the worst is when you were on the lowlights as a rookie. Yeah. You really thought you were getting cut any minute. You thought you weren't even gonna make it through the meeting. No.

Like he was just gonna be like, you know what, instead just leave, you know what, instead just leave. I think we're done here, we've seen enough. Like Rich said, when he didn't say anything, and I'm sure right when he paused it and did the four or five rewinds of the highlight or low light with no commentary, then he would get up and step up in front of the team and there would be

two little do boys that turn the lights on right when he walks out and be like, God, the lights would turn on as he would just say, you didn't do that at Penn State or something like that. And then he would go back and the guys would turn it off. The guys would turn it off. Remember? Remember the light guys? It was like the light guys were like these little henchmen. And the funniest shit was when they thought he was about to talk. And so they'd, they'd dive for the light guys were like these little henchmen and the funniest shit was when they thought he was about to talk Yes and so they they dive for the light and then all of a sudden like a light would flicker and he would give him a

Stare he would just like look at him like a disappointed father. You're like, whoo. Not a good day to be like that a good day Tech guy. Oh my god. Oh my God. Those people, God bless their hearts. That's like the Seinfeld when George would leave on a high note. Exactly right. Exactly right. Could you explain to people Billy O'Brien as when we're rookies? Oh my God. Billy O'Brien.

He, I mean like, first of all, super well informed coach, knew every- Knows his shit. Knows his shit knew every nuance of every play we're going to run. You know, whether it was the offensive line pass blocking scheme or the appropriate route depth of the tight end or the option route the slot guys gonna run or the quarterbacks drop or the read whatever I mean, the global view he had of the game plus what the defense is going to do to you how you respond to the defense he was a practitioner but he was also

like we call them a teapot because it was like watching a kettle on like medium medium. So you start the meeting and Billy Oh wouldn't be at like one level of frustration. Like there was always just like a simmer. Like he's always kind of pissed. Just a little. Yeah, just a little. And then as you energy, the meeting would go on and be like, you know, if Jules, you know, if he was supposed to run around to the sticks, you know, you know, he came up to two yards short. And it's just like, I mean, we, like,

I mean, it's third down, Julian, like, like, I don't, I don't, I don't actually understand how I could, I couldn't have been more clear in the meeting before the practice because God damn it, Joe. And he would lose his mind and like veins sticking out of parts of his face neck, he get the neck vein. Dude, and you would be like, is he gonna make it? And then he would ask you a question or whoever screwed something up, like his beautiful play. Like you maimed his beautiful play.

Like, how could you do this to me? You embarrassed me in front of all these coaches. We're gonna do this on Sunday, you idiot. And be like, explain yourself. And then there were times where like a receiver might say something smart. It's like, Oh, you know, I saw the safety cheating a little bit. I just want to cut off the route a little bit earlier. And he would be like, absolutely not.

Absolutely not. But then sometimes later on he would change it because he was a good listener too but he was a hothead and and but was a wonderful coach because Again, that's the pressure cooker if you could make it an offensive meeting if you can make it on the field If you if you could deal with all of this, it's not fake pressure It's real because jobs are on the line and salaries on the line If you could last inside the practice field, the meeting rooms, you're gonna be fine on Sunday.

The games were so much easier. Easier. You got prepared and that you got, the hate was in the barn at that point. All the work was in. It's pretty crazy. Got a cool ACC matchup this year. Boston College versus North Carolina.

Oh my God. Bill versus Billy-O. Oh my God. I hadn't thought about that. Who would have ever seen the day? It's with Billy-O. Is Bill gonna fucking make a trade or a scholarship trade for a fucking?

NIL money? Can they lure Bear's Nigerian away? Bear's needs to be with Bill. For anybody who doesn't know, Bear's Nigerian was Bill's like right-hand man. He was his office assistant. Beers-Najarian away. Beers needs to be with Bill. For anybody who doesn't know, Beers-Najarian was Bill's right-hand man. He was his office assistant. So as you walked into the Patriots facility

at Gillette Stadium, immediately to your left was Beers' office. And it was a Jack and Jill office. You had to walk through Beers' office to get to Bill's office. So the only way into Bill's office was through Berge's office. And like Berge Najarian, he did. I mean, he did everything.

Everything. I mean, he did everything except actually take snaps on the football field. Like, I mean, there were times like, I mean, he would do everything. There were times where he'd be up in a thing, filming a practice or washing a car or like, you know, like, I mean, like doing bills taxes, like, I mean, whatever he needed. He was a glue guy. He was an important role player on the staff. Definitely a glue guy. Yeah, much social media had to be scoured by bearish. Did you feel like bears hated you from the day you walked in that building until the day you left?

I felt like it took me about five, six years. Okay, yeah. I felt like Bears had no sense of humor for me. I would say hello to Bears and I would try to crack a joke and he would look at me as if I was speaking French or Latin. I was like, all right, well, fuck me. I'll see you later Bears. And just continue on my way. He'd be at his stand up desk like, all right, Aaron Berger. Yeah. Like he wouldn't laugh.

He would say something like meeting starts at 750 and then continue typing. I'm going, all right. Well, what was your perception of Ernie Adams? He's he's been on the pod. We love Ernie. What what did you think Ernie Adams was a mad scientist? I didn't know that he was on the coaching staff. I thought he was someone's dad at first, to be perfectly honest with you.

OK, can we? OK. This is how bad it was for me when I was recruited and signed my letter of intent to Penn State and through my first maybe three years, I didn't even know what the Big Ten was. Like, I knew nothing about football. I played lacrosse my whole young life. I didn't watch any football.

I didn't particularly care to watch any football. I loved playing it. So I started playing in eighth grade, and then it became the thing. So when I was drafted by New England, I learned everything at Penn State, and then I learned everything, more of everything, when I was in New England,

but I didn't even know we were in the AFC East. I didn't know where DeFoxboro was. I didn't know where Foxboro was. Yeah, I knew it was in Massachusetts. See, I didn't know that. I couldn't tell you, like, who we played against in division. Like, when people were like, Division rival, I'm like, oh, yeah, the Tennessee Thundercats.

Am I right? Every time we play the cats, it's Pat's cats. Am I right guys? It was, I had no idea. I had no frame of reference. So like when I'm meeting different coaches and like, you know, this guy's the, you know, whatever the offensive assistant to the nutritionist, I was like, right on. It's great to meet you. Like, so Ernie, I thought he was just someone's dad. I didn't know he had an actual title. No one tells you. Yeah. And nobody told you. So it was just this must gray, like white mustache man wandering around a football field muttering to himself. And then occasionally

he'd walk up to a coach, hand him a sheet of paper and it would be like, he would read it, fold it, put it in the pocket and be like, All right, we're gonna do something different. Like, but he was like a mad scientist. He just wandered the field and fix shit. He was incredible. Do you have any interactions with them? Only a couple. And it was usually when someone else was talking to him. Because I never once started a conversation with Ernie. I think he came up to

me one time and it might have been something like, you know, where are you from originally? I'd be like, uh, New York, Nassau County, right? Yeah. All right. And then he'd walk away. I'd be like, he knew everything about Jesus. That was him talking. That was him. That was him talking. That was him. That's Ernie saying hi. No, but I found out later, he's like got this savant level understanding of the game of football. And him and Bill would like scour the archives for hours. And, you know, he had this encyclopedic knowledge of like, you know, every play that, you like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like,

like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, like, Yeah. Yeah. What was the story? I don't know if you could tell it on here, but you told you got a fucking white boy. So he was our guy. Didn't you do a commercial, the Matlite commercial? Oh, yeah. Remember?

Because Matlite had the vitamin water commercial and you dressed up in a tutu or something. He was. Yeah, like in a skin suit, because there were dancing around in this was it Snapple or Sobe Life Water? Sobe Water, Life Water. Whatever it was. It was a ridiculous commercial. And so we're making fun of light for that one. Let's see. Yeah, the one you're talking about with the whiteboard. I can't repeat. I mean, absolutely. Oh, I can. All right, I have one for you. This one actually. So this continued. So Bill during the

rookie skits, he like when I told the story about my life, he would he I mean, I didn't realize he had as good of a sense of humor until that night. And he was howling laughing. And it was almost like encouraging me to go deeper and further into this story. I'm like, Oh, I thought this was going to be like a little risky, a little only scarred neck. Oh, only scar would be like, Oh, we got it. And I would just pile it on. I give more details. And so Bill would like it.

So throughout my time there, he would call me up, if you remember, even after my rookie season at random times, just to tell a story. 2011, he called me to the front of the room. It's my third year in. He was like season at random times just to tell a story. 2011 he called me to the front of the room. My third year in he was like, hey Rich, you got a story for us? I'm like, yeah, I could come up with one. So I wander down the front of the room and now there's expectation and people are like clapping and applauding. I'm like, oh my God, what am I going to tell these people? This is going to be I have nothing ready. I'm just telling you, I was in the crowd. I was like, all right, Richie's got

this. Let's go rich So fortunately something awful had happened to me that offseason and I regaled the tail in front of the team the It was the year of the lockout 2011 so the owners locked us out We were left to our own devices like you could not go to the facilities because a new CBA had to be hammered out Between the players and the owners. So I had just had shoulder surgery on my right

shoulder. And I'm in an arm sling still. The training staff, Jim Whalen, Joe, they set me up with the with with the Boston Red Sox trainers because I'm living in Boston. Yeah. And so they have a like a private practice three blocks, four blocks walking distance from the apartment I was renting in Boston at the time. So I wake up one morning, and I'm telling this story in front of the team. This is this is for Bill and everybody else. I wake up one morning, I roll out of bed, and I don't hear my alarm like, Oh,

I'm late for this training session. And now the the Patriots trainers could they could communicate with those Red Sox trainers, they just couldn't talk to me, because they're under contract with the league owners. So, so they would know if I missed or was late or anything. So I'm like sprinting to get ready. So I throw on a pair of sweats, I throw on a t shirt, I'm wearing my arm sling and sandals, I walk the four blocks over to the PT clinic. So I hit the elevator, I'm riding up to the second floor. And I'll

pause here to tell you what I had for dinner the night before. I had sushi from a gas station. Which don't do that in Boston, in Boston. Yeah, which there was like one gas station in Boston. And they had the best sushi. So- Is that the Mexican food joint too right there? Oh my God, you know the one I'm talking about, the mobile station?

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's gone. Oh, it's gone? It's gone. Well, they had good sushi, but it was questionable, I guess, because I kicked my leg up in this elevator and I shit my pants worse than anybody has ever shit a pair of pants in the history of shitting pants it was I

Can't even explain to you how horrifying the scene was but did it go down your leg Buddy it had cuffed ankles full Okay, so anyways I'm in this elevator now with my shit pants and the doors open at the second floor and I'm like, I can't leave this elevator. So the doors just closed. And now I'm just riding an elevator in soil pants.

And it smells in there. Oh, and I didn't have time to put on drawers. Like I'm wearing just gray sweatpants, buddy. So we're riding the elevator. I'm riding the elevator up and down and people are like coming on to this elevator like starting their workday. And I mean, I smell like an ox like it like people are now like visually disturbed.

And I mean, I'm a psychopath in the back of this elevator tucked into a corner because I don't want them to see the back of my pants and the elevator reeks. So they're like, who's this escaped patient? I'm sitting there in an arm sling, wearing sandals and shit stained sweatpants and a t shirt. So finally, I'm like, I guess I just have to walk home and kind of face the music here. This is the worst day of my life. And so I hit lobby, go down the lobby doors open. And all of a sudden

as I'm walking through the doors, doors open. And all of a sudden, as I'm walking through the doors, I notice it says PG on the button panel. I'm like, Oh, parking garage. I'd always walked there. I never driven so I didn't know there was parking garage. So I click PG really quick. And I go down to the parking garage. But now I mean, it changed nothing. I'm now just I'm walking around a parking garage, trying to only face people as they're exiting their vehicles and going to this elevator,

also scaring the shit out of people because they're like, who is this escape patient wearing the arm sling only facing us in the parking garage? So after doing this for like five minutes trying to figure out a plan, I'm like, I got to face the music and walk home. So I'm heading for daylight.

I'm about to pass the last row of cars and go up the ramp. And at the corner of my eye, I see a pair of jeans in the back of a Honda Civic. I'm just like, God damn. I mean, if it were me and I knew someone like me were in this situation, I know I would feel okay with him taking these jeans. And so I don't feel great about it, sir, ma'am

I'm sorry for taking your clothing But I opened the back seat the back door to this Honda Civic. I grab I grab what I thought were jeans What were popular back then that aren't so popular anymore are jeggings And the woman who's jeggings these belong to was not a large woman. These were she was diminutive in stature to say the very least. These were the smallest fucking leggings that a human being could squeeze themselves into and I'm kicking off my clothes in this parking garage and I'm pulling these ill. So I even remove my shirt because I needed like clean it was I don't even want to get into specifics. It was bad. So the sandals the t shirt and the the sweats that I was wearing ended up under

this poor woman's car. I pulled the Jaguars up they're tearing at the seams. There's holes in these Jaguars. Okay. And I'm where I reassemble my arm sling. And so I'm walking toward the exit and I realized like, oh, this is way worse. This is, like I didn't do the math, but now I'm a 315 pound man in an arm sling wearing ill-fitting women's clothing and what, I'm just gonna walk home in the streets of Boston?

So look, I was an athlete and I'm not bragging, humble bragging, I was super fast for being a fat guy and so I decide once I hit the top of this ramp I'm sprinting home. Like I'm gonna get there like Mach 3, I'm breaking the sound barrier here so I start running. Didn't do the math on this. When you're dressed like that and you start running in public people start running With you because they're afraid of whatever danger you're running away from so now it's like the jogging club going down the streets of Boston I shake my tail though. I make it back to the apartment. I shower off the doorman buzzes me and Completely non-plaus by any of this. He was just like as if it's a normal Tuesday morning. He's like, Hey, Rich, I'm like,

what's up, Muhammad, I go up to my apartment shower off, come back downstairs, say goodbye to Muhammad again, walk out to the PT clinic, ride that elevator back up still kind of stunk, rode the elevator back up to the second floor, I get there, I'm like, Hey, I'm so sorry, I'm late. They're like, you're not late. You're right on time. My appointment was like 30 minutes later than I thought all of this could have been avoided. It was the worst day of my life.

And so when you run out of stories to tell, you just tell stuff like that. You putting on another person's pants reminds me of the Super Bowl. Oh my God, yeah. Oh my God, yeah. You know that story? Forgot all about that.

So I had a prescription to Ambien for sleeping and it was the Super Bowl and there was a cold going around. Yeah, yeah. So I was sick. So the first couple nights, I took Night Quilt and Ambien. Last thing I remember is waking up with a pair of like 48 boxers on the outside of my bed. I'm like, what the fuck happened?

I had no clue anything happened. It was Rich Ornberg's fucking boxers because I got I took a piss. I was I guess I was peeing on my door outside in the public and they didn't think it was they didn't know I was a player and so they had to bring me down butt naked Donald Duck in it I had no underwear I just had a t-shirt on yep and Rich was going up and he's like you gave me a pair of boxers I'm like this guy needs underwear I'm like come with me I don't even remember yeah I I dude I I can't tell you how fast like all that happened. But yeah. Oh, I barely remember. That's so crazy. You have a good memory,

dude. So much happened. Like we played for three years, but if it feels like a mini lifetime there, like it's a so much so much happened in New England during that span. It's insane. All right, let's go to a segment. Let's dip into it. Let's go back to around December 9 2012. Oh my, let's go to a segment. Let's dip into it. Let's go back to around December 9th, 2012. Oh, my gosh. And go around pop culture. Number one movie, Skyfall.

Never seen it. That's a James Bond. It was pretty good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Is that a which James Bond? Daniel Craig. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the theme to a sky. Oh, it's like a jazzy little number. Number one song Gangnam Style by PSY or whatever. Sigh. Well, Sigh.

Most viewed video in all of you. Yeah, my daughter loves this song, buddy. I was about to say you have an eight year old daughter. I have a nine year old son, six year old son. We still jam Gangnam Style. Yeah, it's on the playlist for sure. Buddy, for sure. Sports 2012, 2013, Super Bowl champions were the Ravens.

That was the blackout Harbol. That was the, yeah, Beyonce halftime. I remember that game. That was crazy. Yeah, Ravens won that year. We almost went. We lost to the Ravens. Oh yeah.

In the AFC Championship. NFL MVP Adrian Peterson. He's a fucking monster. Great to see that the running backs are getting a little more love now. I like it. So my boy Saquon Barkley, Penn Stater, dude, like reborn in Philadelphia. He's not reborn. I think it's a mixture of him being healthy again, because last couple of years he was still off that ACL and B playing with a line that actually is capable. Those guys are bad dudes. You know, and also the pieces around him, he doesn't, you know, there's a lot to try to defend on that team. When you got that tight end and Smith and Brown and Hertz is a run threat, like there's so much to look at. And they, Sirianni, I forget who their OC is in Philly, but- Kellen Moore.

Kellen, that's right, Kellan Moore. They do a pretty good job. Yeah, well, that's my only thing about Philly. I don't trust the leadership in the organization. I think Saquon has masked a lot of stuff. Oh, dude, the whole Brown hurts beef. But they had to run the football to win. You know what I mean?

Like, why would... And it's not AJ's fault. It's the offensive coordinator and the quarterbacks fault on making everyone happy. But you have to run the ball because you guys are winning. So quick story about the Ravens AFC championship game that we won. And what was that? That was 2011. Okay, so Sterling more come. Yeah, Confetti Falls, right? We're all on the field.

They're setting up the impromptu stage on the field. We're all hugging each other. I mean, it's tears. We're going to the damn Super Bowl. I mean, this is crazy. I bump into this old lady. She's wearing this big fur coat, this mink. And I'm just like, Oh, I'm sorry, man. She goes, Hi, that's no problem. And I'm just like, that is some voice on that lady. So she wanders away. I'm hugging one of the one of my buddies, offensive lineman, whoever it is, and I turn and I face the stage. And it wasn't an old lady. It was Steven Tyler of Aerosmith. I guess he was at the game or in the owner's box or

whatever. So he's on stage with the trophy presentation. Dude looked like a lady. Oh yeah, he did the national anthem that game. Oh, is that? Yeah, we just... He's a Boston guy too, he's from Boston. Yeah, that's right, Aerosmith start out there. Dude looks like a lady.

He really does. I like that. He really does. Heisman Trophy winner, Johnny Football, Alabama, the champs. Wow. Peyton Manning signs with the Denver Broncos. That was crazy. That was a little nuts.

After the neck, remember the Colts drafted Luck and he was like, he was in Germany doing German things, who knows what, with the neck and then he comes back and he won, I mean, winning that Super Bowl noodle arm in it around the field with the Broncos. Yeah They got the whole osweiler treatment out there, too. You remember? Yeah, that was a crazy year That was a very crazy year They benched paten for osweiler or he got hurt and then osweiler came in and then they rebenched osweiler

They were gonna go with them And then they in the post season the post season they went with paten They went with the general and he got the damn thing done You know his arm just fell. He couldn't grip the ball because his first year in Denver this year. Yeah. Fucking lit it up. Oh, he lit it up. Yeah. He was like a league leader in all this.

Yeah. It was a crazy year. Also, the bounty scandal. Bounty game. Oh, my. I forget about that. Oh, yeah. And because and then there was bounty gate and then also the pill scandals which fucked up. You couldn't get anything in it ever again. Oh my god. Do you remember the tour? Yeah. You couldn't get toward all. No. Oh my god. Okay. So for anybody who doesn't know about Toro, it's like the wonder drug. It's vitamin T baby. He would take it before

every single game. And I mean, I guess it's like a surgical anti-inflammatory So maybe it sounds a little reckless talking about it this way, but I mean it worked You have a sprained ankle you feel great for four hours, buddy Yeah, and then you even had like the halo effect the next day the next day wasn't Tuesday He felt like shit the worst day your life ever. Yeah the next day wasn't Tuesday. He felt like shit. The worst day of your life ever. Yeah. Yeah. Walk until about Thursday and then gear it up for Sunday. I won't say the name of the player, but there was a player who during that time, uh, he, uh, well, he, he found, uh, he found a stash of vitamin T and he started taking cuts into the stall and giving on our team. No, no, no, not in

new England, not in new England, but I'm just saying if you needed it, it was around. It was, I mean, dude, it felt like, what are we doing? Like, what is this? The program? I mean, it was ridiculous. Oh, Jackie, let's get into this game. Let's talk about break down these 2012 Arizona Cardinals real quick. My god. Five and 11. This was the final year of the Ken Wissenhunt era. We mentioned Ken earlier. OC Mike Miller, Mike Miller, DC Ray Horton. Yeah. Three Pro Bowlers on this team, Larry Fitz, Daryl Washington, Patrick Peterson. We talked Ray

Horton, most recently the head coach of the Pittsburgh Maulers. Wow. AFL? I believe so, yes. Is there AFL in that arena? That's USFL, no? No, it's the American, that was one of those defunct conference. And then Mike Miller,

QB coach of the Toronto Argonauts, of course, for all our CFL heads out there. No kidding. Yeah, we're going deep on some coordinators today. All right. All right. Started off hot, 4-0. 4-0. Went up to New England, got an upset win.

First win in New England since 1991. I remember that. Dude, that was my first year in Arizona. Dude, I gave them everything we had. So I left New England and Ray Horton, the defensive coordinator, he's like, what do you got for me? I'm like, everything. I'm like, we're going to go out to Foxborough and we're going to, I'm like, they have no idea. I know everything. And so I gave them every line call. I gave them every adjustment. I gave them, I mean, they pumped me like, like, you know, they were giving gas away.

It was crazy. So they, they had you beat us the Patriots whole playbook. Yeah, we went out there. I didn't even play in this game. And I'm just on the sideline like the trap is set. You see, you think it helped? It helped. I mean, it definitely like some of the guys on the defense after the game were like, Yeah, you were right when they whatever the line call was when they say this they did that you know whatever it was it was it was it was it was fun but yeah we start off hot for no and then it all fell apart in a big way how do you sum this team up how would I especially you're coming from New England so you just went to a Super Bowl. You go to Arizona. And when you're a Patriot going into another locker room, I assume

I assume people are like looking at you like, oh, this fucking guy. What was some of this team up? OK, so you made a good point there. And it's accurate when you leave New England and you go elsewhere. It's kind of like the same way like an Ivy League education, like, like there's this feeling of like, oh, like he you pen instead of Penn State.

Right? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Big difference. Big difference. Yeah, it was, it was cool going to a new team and people would ask like about Bill or Tom or you or Wes or you know, as the years went on, like, you know, what was it like, you know, and and they just assume like you've you've got it all figured out because New England had it all figured out. So it wasn't like they rolled out the red carpet, but you would even have coaches like what would what would the Patriots do here? Like, how would they do this different? And like like sometimes you'd make a suggestion that worked in New England, like an adjustment at the line of

scrimmage or whatever. And then you would see it put in the game plan. Yeah, like it was kind of wild. But anyways, this team, the way I would sum it up was injuries. We started off hot, Kevin Cobb, got his lights taken out against Buffalo. They came out to having call Arizona and they beat the brakes off of us. And, and after that beating from Buffalo, I think we lost nine straight games, if I remember correctly. And somewhere in the midst of that was this visit to Seattle. And it was a bad one. It was a really, really bad outing. Oh,

you, I forgot Brian Hoyer was there. Oh yeah. He, so again, injuries. So Kevin Cobb, John Skelton, Ryan Lindley, quarterbacks on that team later on down the road, Brian Hoyer had to be brought in because they were like, we just need like warm bodies on this roster. And like, Hoy dog lived with me for a short time, like, because we were camp, he was always my roommate in training camp during, during the, our time together in new England. So he would go to your guys' room to study formations with Hoy. Yeah, yeah, exactly. There were times where in my underwear, I would be snapping the ball to Hoyer and you would be running walking

Routes and he would throw the ball to you in our residence in living room. We would move the furniture Yeah walk through that is no bullshit. We walk through for the walk through Yeah, yeah, just so you could always be on point because we're letting these motherfuckers take you down. We were so well prepared That's the kind of behind-the-scenes stuff. I love to hear, good stuff. Man, Larry Fitzgerald, how cool of a fucking teammate pro, just a one pro. Just like the coolest dude you could ever ask for. Like, I mean, teammate wise. So years later, at a Super Bowl, I was broadcasting from I mean, Larry Fitzgerald had no reason to ever remember who I was. I randomly walked up to him just like, Hey, Larry, what's up before I was about to reintroduce myself to him, I was

about to say, Hey, it's Rich Ornberger from the 2012 season, I do I just want to say what's up. He stops me and he goes, Rich, what's up, man? He was any like, remember like, he was is a wonderful human being and like one of the most prepared athletes you ever met like he just He just understood everything every single movement wasn't wasted. He was he was insane mature big bro vibes Yeah, because I remember I went out. You remember he used to have those during that lockout He used to have that camp in Minnesota and in Arizona for receivers. I went out and I went out with Charlie Fry to the camp in Arizona just to throw at them.

And he invited me back to it. I'd never met him. I was a no-name at the time. I was a special teamer and I went out to Arizona and he, I remember he was just the coolest dude. He's like, hey, man, we were working out after the the the running of the routes. He goes, hey, why don't you come over to my house? I got a pool. I'll have Chipotle cater it. We'll have some people over. It'll be awesome. Went over there. He was just the coolest fucking mature big bro that always looked out, taught you good shit, got great advice, but also just like looked out.

He looked out for you. It was awesome. That was him. And Arizona, even though we didn't win a lot, Ken Wisenhunt, like he set the schedule where, and they did a lot of winning under Wisenhunt in the desert, but this year just the wheels came off and I can't remember what the seasons record was before that

But they end up moving on from this whole staff after this five and eleven year But he was a guy who was like at three o'clock if anybody was still in the in the building They were doing the wrong thing like get home. Yeah, like we're not gonna live here. You're gonna study your plays at home We're gonna be prepared. I remember Russ Grimm, the old hall famer, offensive line coach was my offensive line coach. He was the same type of way, like be with your family, get out there. And then when time comes, you kick a ton of shit out there. And that's how we're going to roll. Like he was, they were like, it was the best quality of life I've ever had playing football.

But unfortunately, we just did not win a lot of games. Yeah and it's a fine line in the league. I mean you look at it it's it's between winning and losing is so close. Yeah. For an organization. The margins are slim. Margins are so slim. Like they could have probably if you look at the one score games they could have been if they would have went the other way they could have been like maybe nine and four or six or you know what I mean like that's how close it is and because of the injuries that they sustained this year I mean that's how fucking it's like wildfire yeah you know yeah yeah we lost quarterbacks offensive linemen we were

injured on the defense and then then the blame game starts because things start going squirrely. And then guys get frustrated because everybody in that locker room is somewhat nuts and also an alpha. And it's like, you know, you want it perfect, you want it right, you get frustrated, nobody likes losing. So the culture spoiled a little bit like it got a little ugly in spots. And it was, you know, I mean, it just it's unfortunate the way the season ended. But at least we we kind of made history that year on that on on that

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Darrell Bevel, Gus Bradley. Those guys are still kicking in the next year. I think. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Robert solid was on this staff as a defensive QC guy. That's right. This was Russ's rookie year heck of a draft for Seattle. Bruce Irvin, Bobby Wagner, Jeremy Lane, Jesus. That's how you win super bowls. You draft. great. Incredible. Super talented team. Who was up front on the it was me being right defensive tackle. Yep. Brandon me being. Yeah. You rich. He was out. Oh, he was gigantic. He's a huge human and he remember we parked. No, where do you part? You know, were we parked? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, because I don't think you were there with him.

He was on the later part. Yeah, yeah. He was like a techie dude. Oh, no kidding. So like, he liked, I think he liked video games or he may have liked like anime or like one of those kind of dudes. Dude would get up, he would go from the parking lot and he had an electric skateboard

and he would electric skateboard from the parking lot just to the door. And then he'd be scooting his thing in and out. He would lot just to the door. And then he'd be scooting this thing in and out. He would do it in the hallway. Oh, so Oh, buddy, those hallways in New England, uncomfortably long. Oh, very uncomfortable. Okay, so this is gonna sound super weird, but we have to take this tangent. There are no doors on many of the corridors in the New England facility. So like, weird, but we have to take this tangent. There are no doors on many of the corridors in the New England facility. So like, if

there is a coach like especially bill walking down one end of the hallway, and you're walking down the other 25 yards, do yeah, like a long walk. Wow, you're just like, what do you do with your eyes? Oh, my gosh. I mean, imagine how uncomfortable and he was he never had a cell phone in his hand and he would stare through your skull like as if you were an apparition and you're just in the way from his I don't know his waffles or whatever the hell he's walking to the lunchroom to get dude it and then he would he would either you were like is he gonna stop me or is he gonna walk past me never knew and then at like like maybe five yards he would say like hey and then you would have to stop because he's addressed you now and be like hey coach how's it going you have to pretend like you weren't just like sweating this conversation the whole time and he would like compliment criticism question whatever it was as soon as

it over you're just like oh thank god and you would just keep walking and it's not because he's an unpleasant man no he was just in control of your whole world at that point and he had an aura around him yes he did like it how could he just felt it when he came in the room, everyone knew. Yes. Like, you're- Even if your back was turned to the doorway. You knew. It was like there was a disturbance in the force.

You were like, oh my God, he's here. I tell a story that I was, he caught me there late night once. Oh gosh. When I first got there, you went to Penn State, so you had great facilities and shit. I went to Kent. I used to go to the locker room and get all these free Gatorade shakes

and stuff at New England and hang out in the tubs. I never had that stuff in my life. So that's why I was always there like sauna. I thought it was fucking cool. I go there off season and Bill's there and we got caught in the hallway to get. First off, he went bare knuckle Barry in the hot tub while I was in there. I remember you telling that story. I couldn't believe it.

Like he is the problem at the YMCA locker room. Without a doubt. He just balls out, just like, hey, deal with it, buddy. I'm comfortable in my own skin, and now we're gonna make bell chick soup together. But we got caught in that hallway walking together. So it was worse. The same direction?

Yes. The same direction is rough, buddy. You know how there'd be a couple alleyways that would come? Yeah. And where you wouldn't see what was at the thing until you got there? You just so happened to go at the same time. And you're lockstep.

Lockstep to the fucking parking lot at 11 o'clock at night in March, dude I would have been like forgot my keys got a bail. I mean, I would have came up with some excuse shit my bands I gotta run whatever it was. I Didn't know what to do. What was that conversation? We so we didn't have a conversation. Oh my god. This is the problem. So we walked out and by the time we got 35 yards, and then another probably 25 yards of cement

to the parking lot, we got there. Finally, we're going a different direction. I go, coach man, pretty crazy that you're here. March, you know, at 11 o'clock at night, it's pretty cool. He looked at me, he goes, it beats being a plumber. I'll see you tomorrow. And that was it. Jackie, let's get cool. Yeah. He looked at me, goes, it beats being a plumber. I'll see you tomorrow. And that was it. Jackie, let's get in the game.

All right. Quick little lead up. This is a rematch from week one. Cards beat around. We're looking for Seattle's looking for some revenge. Or no, baby. Start it out. Yeah, we start hot. Oh, yeah. Fast forward here. Cards are on an eight game losing streak.

Seattle's hunting for a playoff spot. There's still seven and five. Arizona's four and eight here and we're heading up to Seattle here. Now when did you know this is going to be ugly? Oh, oh, right out the gate, right out the gate. I'm trying to remember who started for us. I think it was John Skelton. Yes, I think it was. And then and Lindley got time though, because either john got injured in this game, our quarterback. Yes. And then Ryan Lindley had to come in, or they benched on I forget how it went. Whatever the situation was, it was not going well right out the gates. And so what made

matters worse was, I think it was after halftime, I'm fairly certain it was. During one of the plays, we're trying to... Halftime, it's 38-0. Do it. I mean, it is out of hand. We are getting it fed to us right now. It's bad. So we leave the tunnel, and the planet's like, all right, first half soon, it's the second half.

Lot of effort, gang. Go get them. And it's just like what are we doing here. Like so we we go out there and you would think like Seattle would like call off the dogs a little bit. They're still coming. They're like they're they're trying. Now they're trying to pile up some stats on us and like defensively they're still really giving us some good effort. So we're running an inside zone which you know it's just a gap. You know it's just a scheme where you're stepping to the gap adjacent to you and you're working up to the next level or blocking the down lineman in that gap. So I'm the center, snap the ball to Lindley, I think, and I hitane and then whoever was blocking the three technique the defensive tackle to my right Dumped them on my right knee and I completely tear my MCL

and so I'm down on the turf and I I got to get walked off by the training staff. I go into the locker room my nights over I go On the table right next to a TV so I could watch there's a closed-circuit camera going on you know from the TV feed and they're showing a close-up of Lindley and the backup center I won't name his name doing some center quarterback exchange to get warmed up to go in there and they fumbled two snaps on the sideline I'm like oh shit this is not gonna go well so they go out to the field the very first snap was a fumbled snap. And I think Seattle dove on it. And I'm pretty sure the very next time

we touch the football, they fumble another snap or something goes on like, you know, he snaps one over his head, whatever it was, it was going poorly. So I say to Nick, yo pre practice here. No, no, this was a very different culture and so there was this trainer who had this giant Shaw on his cheek his name was the Machine we called him Machine in Arizona I was like hey Machine have you ever taped a knee back together is that possible and he goes we could give it a shot spits and then puts

a brace and tape and he's like wrapping my knee up and then I start jogging around in the training room. I'm like, I think I could play on this. And then I kind of get out into the tunnel and I'm going back and forth. I'm like, yeah, I'm like, I think I could go back in there because I'm worried that because I like, I like Ryan and like, you got to be a little nuts to play football. I'm like, I got to protect that guy. I feel bad. He's working. So I get back on the field. We are now trailing 40 something to nothing. And I go back on the field in the third quarter with a football guy to finish out this game. And I mean, I am in more pain than I think I've ever been in. I mean, this knee is no good.

It is shot. I'm standing on nothing. It's well, swelling. I mean, it feels like I'm getting no push off of it. And so at some point into the fourth quarter, I say to me, Bane, I'm so curious if he remembers this conversation. I'm like, buddy, I'm like, I'm in a lot of pain.

I'm like, I think this knee is like broken in half. I'm like, could we just dance for the rest of the game? He's like, I'm in a lot of pain. I'm like, I think this knee is like broken in half. I'm like, could we just dance for the rest of the game? He's like I got you big dog. And so me and Anytime I had a block of we just made it look like we were brother-in-law In a game what a cool dude. Oh, did the coolest dude? I mean, I love him for it And so I am fairly certain the 58 nothing final because I got yanked before then this game. Russ Grimm, my offensive line coach, was like, buddy,

you're done. I'm like, no, I can still go. And he pointed at the scoreboard. He goes, the war is over. The battle's over. He's like, they may shut us down before the season's over. And I'm like, oh my god. So he pulled me out of game. And that

was my last game of the season. I was on IR for the rest of the year. But man alive, dude, it was it was just, I'm fairly certain that 58. Nothing is tied for third all time the worst shutout beating in the history of the league. And, and I was there. I mean, I was there for it all. Yeah, I mean there were some... You're correct on that stat Rich. Number one, 2009 Patriots Titans, 59 nothing. Oh yeah, that was a snow game.

1976, Rams Falcons, 59 nothing. Wow. 2012, 58 nothing. Seattle, first, Arizona. Had a little piece in that game. 48, nothing, you come back in. That's a... What's the ultimate football move? What's the ultimate football move after a loss like that? I mean, eager to get drunk on the plane?

I mean, what is left? You've lost, what, eight straight at that point. We lost the ninth one that night. And then I think we actually beat... Was it the Bears? It was the Lions. The Lions. That's what. And if she North, this is what we were doing. We're like, we're just a crummy

football team. Like, this is how it works. Now we go out, we get just our shit kicked and we get back on the plane. Like it was bad, but you get used to it somehow. It sounds dumb. But like is almost like, how do you getting that win after nine straight losses? It's kind of like, how does that even happen? I on mentality wise, it just goes to show you how bad the Lions have been over the years. I mean, what Dan Campbell has done is nothing short of like a miracle, because I mean, Detroit,

holy shit. Talk about a franchise that has not been able to get out of their own way since what Reagan was in office I mean no ever yeah, I mean it not Reagan. It'd be more who's in the 40s Eisenhower That was when games were the radio yeah Well, they didn't win Super Bowl. They won championships in the 46. Good Lord. I like Dan Campbell I do too, but he's getting he's a little too much. Yeah, reckless, aggressive. Yeah, your team's not a team that has to buy possessions now

because you don't have talent. You have to evolve your play style. Now I don't I don't mind the last fourth down of last week. Yeah, but it was the four or three drives before where he went forward in his own territory when like that, that against Andy Reid and Mahomes against a team that can control a game that'll burn you. And they're at the point now where it's Super Bowl bust because of the success they've attained this year

and the talent they've accumulated over the last few years. So like that's how I evaluate them now. I think it's fair. I think he's honestly created the best team in the NFL. I mean, if the GM and the carry over parts of, you know, Matt Patricia hired Ben Johnson. That's exactly. You know mean there's a bunch of guys listening like once again is a perfect storm. Yep. And it has to be that's how crazy the National Football League's a lot of things have to happen for you to attain success. Well and just think like say Ben Johnson does accept the commander's job does that offense look the same this year? And the answer is no. You know I mean just one decision this offseason could have changed the fate and fortune of every single person in that franchise forever. But he stays golf has consistency in the headset. Montgomery and Gibbs stay healthy. They've got weapons on the outside. I mean, that defense losing Aiden Hutchinson still

That's the thing that scares me. I don't know if they're going to, because you look at the teams that are going to be coming from the AFC, and then you look at the upper echelon teams in the NFC, which they're going to have to get to the Super Bowl through. Every team can run the football. Yeah. And when you run those football, if you could run the football on them and sustain long drives,

you keep the offense off. And and it sustained long drives, you keep the offense off and then you put them in, you make them play the way they don't wanna play from behind. Left handed, yeah. And then once they play from behind, I'm still not sold on the drop back pass game of Ben Johnson and Jerry Goff. When you're from ahead and things are rolling,

they are dangerous. The only quarterback in that system that has had success, there's been a couple in the West Coast, Matthew Stafford, who started in a drop back pass game for fucking his first nine years of his career, knows how to play from behind, and Aaron Rodgers. Those are like the two guys that are in that West Coast

scheme that can play from behind. It's a well-founded point because if also like look at, for example, like the Ravens, right? They're a good comp because Lamar Jackson is so dynamic that I think it hides a lot of what they do poorly. But when they trail, I mean, they're front runners. Like they're bullies. They want to play with the lead. John Harbaugh, aggressive like Dan Campbell on some of these two point conversion decisions,

fourth down decision making. And you can be a bully like that when you're playing with a lead and you can preserve possessions and things like that. But get behind, make one mistake like that. Don't get the two points. Don't get that fourth down Give the Chiefs the ball deep in your own territory. I mean

Give the bills the way they're playing right now, but um Playing right back. You guys are really hammered Seasons over golf chips are planned. Oh, yeah Should we put a bow on this game? We're gonna bow on 58 to nothing the only game in NFL history to end with the score 58 to nothing score God score. Gummy score a gummy baby. So that's a history 493 total yards for Seattle eight turnovers for the cards to one for Seattle I mean, that's how you that's that's the game. This one was pretty cool. Possession was close 34 to 20 25 so we got some things going there. But.

So the aftermath, do we got to score this game? Aftermath real quick, Rich goes on IR as we mentioned earlier. This would be the third largest blow in NFL history. Seattle would go on to finish 11 and five. Second, the NFC West losing to Atlanta in the divisional round. The cards would finish five and 11 losing 11 of their last 12. Should be the last one of the GM Rodgrave era Cardinals would hire Bruce Arians the next season and bring in Carson Palmer to sign with the Chargers the next

season and the Seahawks would then go on to win Super Bowl 48 the next year you guys catapulted the Seahawks confidence to get over the hump the next year and become the Legion of Boom, therefore to lose to us the following year. Yeah, yeah, I'm pretty proud of that accomplishment. I felt good, we're kind of like a slump buster. That's great. Slump buster, I used that a couple days ago on the Fox.

Oh my gosh, dude, yeah, that was a slobberknocker. We took one. But you know what? The story wasn't over after that. Continued on and, and, and found my way to San Diego and that's home now. So can't complain, right? Everything happens for a reason. Yeah, man. What's your favorite all time NFL moment in your career? time NFL moment in your career? A really cool one was Cincinnati Bengals. We're in Cincinnati 2013 season. So my first year with the Chargers were playing in Cincinnati that January. So it's 2014 postseason. And Nick Hardwick goes down. He actually got hit

by Ray Mauluga, who is, you know, he's Mike Linebacker with Cincinnati. I mean, a banger. I mean, just a heavy headed dude. He would just lay people out and so in the Rose Bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, so it came full circle a little bit there. So Nick goes down on the backup center.

I go in and it's like 14 plays into the game. And I ended up seeing the TV copy years later. The, I forget the crew who was working the game, but they were like, Oh, this is not good. Nick Hardwick pro bowl center. Who's this guy? Rich Hornberger. This is going to be a disaster. But I go out there and, and we, we run the ball all the way down the Bengals next. I mean, Ronnie Brown, we got him in the zone. We had Ryan Matthews going off. He's like, yeah, dude. Yeah.

Yeah. And and I remember getting back to the locker room after that game. I had no idea that the commentators were talking about me as much as they. I had a thousand text messages like my phone had lit up and everybody from you know my high school football coach over at East Meadow high Vinnie Massey or Ed Claven the Long Island name Oh buddy yeah or Steve Anderson or Justin Swankowski or Mike Simone or Rich Howard all my high school guys you know all my college buddies a Q Shipley and you know, the get like, because the whole world's watching the playoffs, like, you know, all

of the past teammates from my career, like anybody who had my number, it felt like reached out to me because it was one of those moments where for a second, like, I did something really important. And like I said, I knew I was talented enough to play in this league. But I was always hurt. I was always too hurt to play. And when I got these opportunities, I kept you know, having something go wrong. And I was healthy enough. And you know, I was always well prepared. And Nick went down, I

went in, we got the dub. And it was on to Denver for the divisional round. After that, we won that wildcard game. And it was just one of those moments. It's like, it truly felt year five. I'm like, Oh, if I can stay healthy, I can play a long time in this league. And I couldn't stay healthy. Jules I exited after the 2014 season only a year later. It's fucking tough, man. But that, that I remember that feeling. Cause we experienced playoff games that we weren't really involved in as much when we were with the Patriots. Yeah. And then, you know, you had, you know, I can experience I remember that first experience

of contributing to a playoff when nothing, nothing feels like that because group of guys all been working their dicks off for fucking eight months and it's do or die time and you guys go out and you fucking win and you dealt with all the bullshit. There's been some problem that you had to overcome earlier in that season. And it is very hard to win in this league.

To go out and do it in the playoffs, man, that's fucking awesome. It's the coolest. It's the best. It is. It absolutely is. Let's name the game. Now, these are some of the names we came up with. You can also chime in if you want.

We got the Slaughter in Seattle, Scoreless in Seattle, the Seattle Stinker, the Pathetic Performance in the Pacific Northwest or 580 or if you have any suggestions. Seattle Steamer, anything related to just a dog shit performance. It was bad, it was bad. So what do you think? You know what, let's see, Seattle Stinker,

scoreless in Seattle. Thank God you picked that one. Yes. It's like Sleep is in Seattle. Thank God you picked that one, because that's yes. It's like sleep is in Seattle. I like that. It's perfect. Like McReynolds, perfect score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Rich Ormberger stakes zero to 10 on the week 14 game between a. Team that is not going to make the playoffs and another team that may

not make the playoffs. The stakes of this game, decimals okay. Okay I mean can we can we go less than zero? I mean like they knew they were gonna beat us. We knew they were gonna beat us. There was absolutely no way we were leaving Seattle with a dub. So I'm going to give it a 0.1. Yes. A beast in our scores. To be fair, I don't even know what to say. It was terrible. That's a scoragami.

I love that. Scoragami. I'm going to go with, I'm going to go with a 2 because even though there's no relevance to this game, there's still players that even when you're no relevance to this game, there's still players that even when you're on these types of team, you can put film out there and they're playing for shit and there's still the national flow.

Everyone's still getting paid, so. It's a good point. I went with a three, seven here. I have three, one, divisional game. Okay, yeah. Respectable. The star power of this game, were you guys on your six string quarterback?

Boy, yeah. Who were you? I think third string. We started with our second. I would say the star power was mainly on the side of Seattle. Yeah, they had a loaded up squad. This is they were they were they were cooking something over there. They were cooking something. We had Larry Fitz Hall, Famer, Clare's Campbell, Clare's Campbell.

Dude, he's still playing. Like what on earth? That is crazy. Kaleus, is he with Miami this year? I mean, I... He's still doing decent. And he's good, yeah. Like, I can't believe...

I'm gonna say, give us a solid seven and a half, I would say. Seven and a half sounds fair. Seven, I'll go seven. I'm gonna five point oh. I did six point one. I'm the seven. I'll go seven No, no The gameplay of the game zero to ten how the game went I mean, I think there was a there's a lot of turnovers There was a strip. Yeah between the you know fits or the bobble. There's that there's the end zone I mean game play it was sloppy sloppy extra sloppy it was you know how you like them you boys you boys said you're sloppy

Joe's yeah it was a it's a two it's a that's a two that was an old that was a disgusting watch I actually feel bad for anybody who showed up or watch at home maybe I should start like a go fund me and refund people. That was awful. I'll go with there is some exciting shit for the Seattle Seahawks three three point. Oh, hey, I'm right there with you.

George point six. Almost a perfect game for one half of the field. Now, hey, the name of the game, you got to score the name of the game. This is a good this is a good name. Scoreless in Seattle. I mean, that is I'll have what she's having. Give me an 8 out of 10. Whoever came up with that. Kudos. I'll take, I'll give it an 8 as well. Somewhere Nora Ephron's watching this episode like, yes.

Yeah, I'm gonna go with about a 9.4. 9.4, Jack. If this isn't our last game. Oh my gosh, yeah. What is it equal? Calculating, calculating. AI? 4.85. What does that go?

Oh. It's not the last game. It's our second to last game. It's 77th overall. It's just below the 2014 TBT final Barstool versus the Notre Dame alumni and just above the 2012 Pro Bowl AFC versus NFC. Oh my God. Oh my God.

That's not ideal. If someone argued Marshall did the Pro Bowl, he got MVP. Oh yeah. Yeah. The top 80 is pretty good. Rumor has it so. Climbing the charts. Climbing the charts.

Rich, we miss anything? No, dude. That's, you got it all right there. The top 80 is pretty good. Rumor has it so. Climb the charts. Climb the charts. Rich, we miss anything? No, dude. You got it all right there. I appreciate you coming on. Everyone go check out Rich on Countdown to Kickoff, which is?

Fox Sports Radio. Fox Sports Radio. San Diego Sports 760. The 101.5 KGB Big Rich TD and Fletch show, the Red Zone Radio show, which you can see Red Zone Rich Box Sports Radio, which we already hit that. He calls San Diego State Games. Go Aztecs. Check him out. He's kind of like the Bill Walton of that that calling color.

Oh, I like that. I mean, you always remember late night. All right. P man. Oh, God, I met him so many times because he lived in San Diego. I love Bill Wall. Any Bill Wall Treasury? Um, actually, only one time. I really like we were in conversation for like a while. Every every other time was like we're at events together just passing by. What's up, Bill? How you doing? But I shake shake his hand I'm in the

owner's box at a Padres game. Peter Seidler rest in peace as well. He was a buddy he was the former owner of the pods. And so Walton's in the booth in the box. I'm in the box. I walk up to him like Bill what's up man it's good to see you again. And that was the last words I spoke for 45 minutes. I'm not even kidding you. I missed seven innings of baseball, I think. It was unbelievable.

It was like, no, it was like the third inning, and then I got to watch like the bottom of the seventh. It was unreal. Wouldn't have it any other way. And we got into also, he was telling me about, you know, national parks, and we talked about sequo know, national parks and we, we talked about Sequoias, like the trees, trees a long time from Iowa city. Yeah. I still haven't seen one in person, but I can tell you after that conversation, I don't need to. I know everything

about Sequoias. Awesome. Rest in peace. Bill. Rich is like Rich is like Bill Walton when he calls game. Very entertaining analyst on NBC Sports in Sandy. This guy works everything, guys. I'm telling you. And you got to check him out on all his social medias at Rich Ornberger. Oh, H R N B E R G E R. I don't know how to spell that.

So I don't know if you guys know how to spell that, but I also can't read that well. So Rich Ornberger on socials. Rich, thanks, bro. I appreciate you. Thanks, Jules. Love you, pal. Thank you, guys. Gosh, Ornberger can talk. He lived up to the hype. My guy can talk some stories.

More linemen, more linemen. This is a linemen loving podcast. I love a satirist linemen. An LLP. It's LLP. LLP. Linemen loving podcast. Let's get onto our post-game segment.

Ooh, what do we got? NFL comedy casting. I like this. We have a selection of all the comic roles and we're gonna cast them with different NFL players According to which one we think they are I like this something like that Castings out here. Let's get after it call it comedic roles comedic roles in the NFL Who would be the best stand-up comedian?

Stand up I mean I mean Pat McAfee did do stand up. That's true. That's true. I mean, Ornberger did stand up. Yeah, we talked about it with him. We're talking like a half hour set here? Yeah. Maybe a tight 15? There's probably some guys that the thing about what's going to be hard about this, usually the funniest, some of the funniest guys aren't known guys.

Right. You know, it's like Ornberger. Right. The average, the average fan might not know Rich, right? You know, it's on Harold a cat like Ornberger, right? The average the average fan might not know rich. Yeah, you know what I mean? Yes hilarious Bubba Ventrone He was like the suburban poet like we had guys that were just fucking

They used to write these poems Like once every few weeks bill and the team where I was down, Bill would have him write a poem and he'd have these slapstick humor poems. It's like some Andrew Dice Glade or like theme throughout the fucking season. Like like we got to we block a punny like. And yes, there was a punt that, you know, like, you would drop it like hickory dickory. Yeah, don't make us run up that hill.

Oh, yes. 100 percent. But he would perform it. He put on some glass. It was fun. So stand up comic. Who's the best stand up comic out of NFL players? A Kelsey would be good. He'd be good. I like Jason. Oh, Jason. Jason, Jason Kelsey, Jason. Let's go. He's got the late night show. Yeah. I like Jason. Oh Jason Jason Jason Kelsey big Jason. He's got the late-night show

Yeah, I think Jason Kelsey would be I love that. I like that. Let's put him in there I think I think Jason Kelsey's funny And I bet any just smart fucking dude, I watch him on all this TV stuff I gotta say his suit game in his fit game. He comes correct every week. He's fine. Monday night He's got the city and like whatever he's in go to bars. I already was down here in Santa Monica next category the buddy Comedy partner now. I like this This is a duo here takes a special duo with some chemistry

Yeah, I mean you you're are kiddles in there as well. Yes, who would be his buddy? It would be his partner. George Kittles is this right man. Yeah, who's his running mate? His running man. What have to be Trent Williams? No, Rockperty Robin Big. Yes, I think Kyler Murray.

Like, you know, you get a little you get like little little a whole vibe with like hella jolly guy Yeah, you like this and I'm not saying Kyler's a hole, but he got a hole. You know, he got those he's got like Yeah, you got a vibe. He's guys. I pause my I would have been good, but I'm gonna cast myself. Okay. I mean I'll cast you go watch dudes on dudes the answer See I like us doing sort of our our our Lou Pearlman if you will in creating a group Yeah, like we're not just picking one off the street like we are making a super group. Yeah So go watch duo go watch dirty pop. Shout out Lance. Yeah. Yeah shout out I don't know if that was a great reference the answer here is Rob Grunkowski Julian Edelman. No

Available Thursday And in George Kittle, it's so funny. I'd be a fun duo clown who'd be the clown be a clown. Oh, man What do you mean like a clown Clinton Portis used to always dress up funny how funny I Do I amuse you? Yeah, he did dress like a clown. I forgot about that. You know who would I'll tell you right now He's not a clown, but he would he would he would do a really good clown I hope we're thinking the same person right now the guy He and he would try really hard at being that clown like if he got Like if the SP's asked him to do you a clown he would do that. OK, Kirk Cousins, Kirk Cousins.

Oh, yeah. Like he would do it with so much pride, too. And, you know, he's got like those like suburban birthday. Like Kohl's cash. He knows that world, yes, because that's what he I'm sure he's got like a few kids that he's he's had clowns. He's been to some backyard afternoon birthday parties. He's been to some backyard afternoon back. He's been the entertainment of a back.

Jack, who are you going to say? I was going to say Andy Reid. Andy Reid, I think he's got the jolly sort. He's just so versatile. Give me some of them. Give me some of the who would be like. The answer for clown is James Winston, is it not? If you want your clown to motivate you, maybe. Yeah. Like he'd fucking rock the shit out of it. You'd be entertained

W-bump-bump maybe I can't sorry for having an awesome answer. I don't know Who do you think I think we're split decision here is it's tough her cousins is good cousins is good I just think he would be like he would play it like I could see Kurt with makeup on and like Hey guys, he could put this chain on yeah. Yeah, it's the same vibe Hey, especially just don't make it a primetime birthday party Roaster this is seems obvious to me. Does it? Yes. Who? Vraeble. Vraeble.

From everything I've heard. I don't know it. You know what? Vraeble is the best. Like he will just dress you. Vraeble. I've heard that it's legendary, right? Sort of? Ish? It's legendary. Within our world. Legendarily. It's no. It's it's legendarily. Legendarily, it's no, it's it's legendary. Lee. Legendarily,

legendary Lee. Like horrific, how crazy it is like Nikki Glazer would be in the corner taking notes blushing like, oh, I can't believe you said this. Yeah, nice. And nothing's off limits. Peyton Manning has roasted before. Mm hmm. Yeah. But Peyton's to he's to I mean, he's ESPN. He doesn't go for he gives like dad joke humor.

Vraible will go for your fucking neck. He's like the old school smokey roast from the 50s. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Which is great. That's the right answer. All right. What's our next one? We have anything else? We have two more. Two more. Jackass cast prankster. Oh, I mean, you could go Matt Light here.

Not Jack. Yeah. Thank you for sure. Light. Dola. Oh, my. Is it's like a cool way of being funny? It is. You know, like doing some crazy shit. That's kind of cool. Those dudes are all kind of cool all the jackass dudes were all like cool fuckers Yeah, that's just how I happen to do crazy ass shit part of my mind goes here to like a I

Don't think of him as a very cool guy, but like a like a schooler type like crash test dummy Special teamer like okay. I'm going down there throwing my body at something. That's more the the not the prank side of the world. Like it's like the human cannonball type. You get a ball. That's another end of this spectrum. I feel like we could go towards, but I don't think it's as fun. Now, you can't be a teamer that hasn't won a Super Bowl on this.

Yeah, like Slate, if anything, it'd have to be like a Slater, You can't be a teamer that hasn't won a Super Bowl on this. Yeah. Amen. Like Slate, if anything, it'd have to be like a Slater. We're not putting Slate in as prankster. Who's going to be like eating a fucking cowball. Right. Right. Or swallowing a fucking goldfish. You're getting farted the fart with the astronaut helmet on. Remember that one? This one is the hardest.

They do. Jackass holds up. You ever watch Wild Boys? That's awesome. The best one is them taking the shit in the hardwoods. Those things hold up. They do. Jackass holds up. You ever watch Wild Boys? Also awesome. I have. Oh, Wild Boys is the best. Chris Bunches. Pontius is the best.

We should reboot Wild Boys. I used to love all those MTV shows like that and then. Who is the. The Bam Margera show? Bam. I loved Bam. I loved Rob Dyrdek. All his game culture guys.

Like their shows were so fun to me Do you think the fantasy factories all exist someplace? Yeah, it's still happening Cuz I know that show does no, I don't know nitro. She's evil a BAM evil a BAM. Yeah Yeah, I was thinking CKY, but those are the DVDs the uncle died, right uncle Don Vito. So who we going with the prankster? Go light. I see Matt light in the Harry Carrey video in my mind when he's in a fucking towel only like. He would do some fucking party boy shit like like in the middle of nowhere.

I can see or I can see that like I can see Matt doing a prank where like he puts himself in the trunk of a car butt naked And then has his boy come fucking get him out and like oh, you know like those those Pranks to do on there. Yeah, he would do that I love that like pop out of there like Leslie Chow in the hangover FX comedy lead the like like the Dave Cerebral needs a little bit of gravitas. I think I mean, where I instantly went Travis Kelsey. Yes, because that's kind of his humor. He also has been a cool, you know, he'd have a cool story.

Like if you were to do like one of these like Dave type comedy things. Yeah. Baker Mayfield. Bake. Oh, what effect show was driving Baker would be one of the the American horror things. Oh, that's something. And then he was in Moonbase 8 member on Showtime. Yeah, I like the show. It's funny. It was funny. Man, I think Mayfield could be good.

They could be interesting. I kind of picture him as like when he was wearing the long the tweed coat and he hadn't shaved in a couple of days, that kind of big news at the press conference. He was funny in those commercials. Oh, yeah. Progressive makes a man. I like that bake or Kelsey Kelsey I mean, I don't know if it's just being a production owner. I

Think the show would be bigger with Travis See spoken like a true casting director, you know, I'm just saying the storylines we could get he's hot right now You can go down the pop star alley. We can like bake is a funny fucking dude, but he's more sitcom. Well, I mean, FX is no, I'm talking we're talking FX like the bear. Yeah. Dramatis. Yes. Like Dave, those are dramedies. Yeah. Like I want to see you with the Golden Globes come come award season.

Yeah. For this role. And like he just like he's got a cool story. Very and he's kind of witty. He's witty as fuck. He's a he's a and he's a sly dude. You know, like what's his name right here? Donald Glover, like Donald Glover. I can see that little dicky little dicky.

Or what's the guy from the bear? Jeremy Allen White. He's like the coolest dude in the world right now. Or like the last couple of they got like lookalike contests of him in like Central Park in New York. What's with the lookalike? Is he a weird looking dude? It's kind of he looks like a goldfish.

You need like Bruce. Bro, big ass eyes. Play the ball. You need you need it like all like really cool dudes have a little weird look. Do you think you can beat him in a fight? No, he's probably like an MMA guy or something. I don't fuck with any of those because I know like there's another dude, little actor dude, he's like a boxer.

Like fucking what's his name? Bane. Oh, Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy. He'll be here. Jiu-jitsu. These dudes are all doing some crazy shit now. I don't. Yeah. I don't bark up no trees. Mm hmm. Keep it moving. Oh, fuck it.

My those days are over. Um, but what a game. Thanks again to Rich. That's been another episode of Games with Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts. Comment a game you want us to do and remember rate and review. Remember to follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, X, TikTok, and Snapchat. Leave a message on the hotline at 424-291-2290. We'll see you guys next week.

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