Games with Names - Seth Rollins on Hell in a Cell vs. Cody Rhodes (2022)

Episode Date: December 16, 2025

Seth Rollins is in studio! The WWE Triple Crown winner and certified ball knower is with us to relive one of the WILDEST Hell in a Cell matches of all time: Seth Rollins vs. Cody Rhodes from 2022.  (0:00) We kick things off. (2:30) Seth joins us on the couch. (38:00) We go back to June 2022. (1:00:00) We break down Cody and Seth. (1:15:00) We dive into the match. (1:30:00) We score it. (1:45:00) We hit The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light to talk food in the NFL with Julian. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Let's go. Games with Names and the production of IHeart Radio. June 5th, 2020. Allstate Arena. Illinois. Two men, one cage, and plenty of bad blood. Time to end this bitter feud once and for all. This is the torn peck match.

Welcome to Games with Names. Today, we are looking at 2020. to hell in a cell, Rhodes versus Rollins with Seth freaking Rollins. Seth in one sentence. Oh gosh. Why did you pick this match? One sentence. I think there are so many stories that come from this one match.

Is this the greatest match of all time? No, it's not the greatest match of all time. Not at all. What is? The greatest match of all time. Well, wrestling is art. So it's very subjective. Everybody's got a different favorite match of all time.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So I don't know. I think I have, gosh, do I have favorite matches of all time? Oh, man. You know, the ones that stick with you are interesting because they're not the greatest wrestling matches of all time. You know, people talk about macho man Randy Savage.

Got him on the shirt here. Against Ricky Steamboat, WrestleMania 3 as one of the greatest matches of all time. You know, Sean Michael's Undertaker from WrestleMania, maybe one of the greatest matches of all time. You know, this match was very highly rated, but as I watch it back, I'm not like, oh, this is the greatest hell and a cell match of all time.

So tough to say, I love to, like a, you know, when I was a kid, Ultimate Warrior, Hulk Hogan, WrestleMania 6 in Toronto, had a huge impact on me. Brett Hart, Shaw Michaels, WrestleMania 12 main event, Iron Man match had a huge impact on me. But then, like, randomly, you know,

Samojo versus Kenza Kobashi, from a Ring of Honor show in the Manhattan Center in like, I don't even know, 2004 or something like that, had a huge impact on me as well. So it sort of just depends. It's hard. That's the beautiful thing about, you know, our sports and our art form

is that it impacts people in different ways across generations. And so there's no one perfect piece of art. It's just you get to pick. You get whatever makes you feel a certain thing. I think that could be the best answer. That was amazing. I think that could be the best answer we ever had for that fucking... We ask every interviewee.

Someone wants to answer that question with football. What's the greatest game of all time with football? You can't argue with that. Sometimes simple is effective. Amen. Man, well, we appreciate you coming here to the Nut House. How are things going today? What are you...

We're over here getting the rotator cup? Yeah, you know, actually... Was that from Australia? From Australia. From Australia. Perth, that's right. Where I was wrestling Cody Rhodes again. for the first time since this match, as a matter of fact.

Crazy, bro. I did what we call a coast-to-coast headbutt. So I jumped from one turnbuckle all the way across the ring to the other turnbuckle where Cody Rhodes was hanging upside down and I headbutted him. But in the landing, I didn't stick it. I did not stick the landing. I rotated a little bit to my left, landed hard on my left elbow,

jolted it up into the shoulder, felt it go right away. I was like, oh, we got a lot left to do in this match. We got a lot left to do. How much can I do? I was like, can I do it? Should we go in a different direction with the finish? What should we do here? There was a lot going on in my head.

Luckily, I didn't have to pick him up for anything. Cody, that is. So fortunately, I was able to get through everything. I took his finisher off the top rope, which was pretty scary at that point. Because I knew I was going to land harshly on my shoulder. So I kind of kept it real, like tucked real top. And, you know, I don't know that I did any more damage than the rotator. But, yeah, two weeks out of surgery now, you know, it's about a six-month recovery.

So we'll see how it goes. Now, were you getting flashbacks? Like, the rolls kind of turned from this match when he had a torn peck back in 2020. Like, did you guys have code word or any, hey, Bubbs? Like, yo, arms hanging on by a thread here. Like, what are we doing here? Well, I landed and I immediately felt the go. I pinned him, I covered him, he kicks out.

I think I'm talking to the ref, and I go, oh, that wasn't smart. So that wasn't good. You hurt? I'm like, yeah. How bad? I'm not sure. Can you need to change something? Let me think about it.

No, we're good. All right, let's go. Got any tour it all? So it just was what it was. You know, at that point, we were 20 minutes deep in the match or more. So the adrenaline's just, yeah, I mean, but I could feel it. Like, it was hard for me to raise it. I mean, you can see.

If you watch that matchback, you can see me kind of, it's dangling at my side. You know what I'm saying? So I can't throw even my punches or my forearms correctly. Like, it was hard to do what I needed to get done. It hurt when you probably weren't doing anything. And then you would, like, get muscles, steam up some power and then do something. Yeah, anytime. And then, like, then the pulse would start to come when you're not moving probably.

Yeah, you know. That's it. Yeah, everything, it would be, it would, it was really tender. And it was starting to get worse as the match was going on. and it was what a fucking warrior I just you know what is it stupidity or is it courageousness I don't know I mean where is the line

I think it's a perfect mix of both I think that's what a professional is hey you have a job at hand you signed up for it you're gonna even when shit hits the fan you're still gonna go out there and you're gonna give the people what they fucking wanted and that's what a professional is

that's what you did yeah I mean that's my mindset is always to like finish Every time I've gotten an injury, you know, you just... You guys are banged up all the time. You can't tell me. All these people want to say it's just fake. Go, go fake, put your head into a fucking, a staircase of a steel staircase. Like, shit happens.

You guys are getting fucked up out there. I look at this. I'm like, that's crazy. You got to go do it like the next night. How do you recover? Still real to me, damn it. Yeah, I mean, there's a level of physicality to it, no doubt about it. And obviously things happen that, you know, you're going to just accrue injuries from all the years of,

I mean, I've been doing this for over 20 years now. So, you know, 2,000 plus matches, like there's no, there's, of course you're going to get ripped to shreds. You know, I've had a few surgeries on my knees, first one on my shoulder, had one on my neck, the whole nine. So it's up and down, but, you know, it just, there's, fakes a weird word for it because, like, no one's, like, we're not telling anybody that it's real, right? We're, we're physical actors is what we are. So this is, it's, you know, it's predetermined, but, like, fake is kind of nonsense. Yeah. I think, I think we're past it as performers, but I think our audience is.

It's kind of past it as well. I think they sort of just understand what it is, you know. It's not the 80s, the 70s, even the early 90s, but we're trying to, like, trick people, right? You know, we're trying to trick you into thinking what we're doing is like, what you mean? This is real. A real competition.

Now, there are elements of reality to it, but that's what makes it, that's what makes it special to me is that gray area where you kind of don't know. I don't know if that was real or not, you know? Plus the excitement, the stories, you know, the pomp and circumstance and all that. so it's a really cool art form man i love it how many surgeries you've had uh let's see i've had one two on my knee one on my neck god those are like easy spots so yeah the big one on my knee 10 years ago i did like just a scope on this one to get rid of some of the miscus it was bugging me and then the shoulder those are the big three i got broken my jaw but i didn't need surgery on it

i got neck surgery to kind of alleviate some pressure that was going on a nerve that i had there So I think those are the big ones The four big ones right there Fucking modern day gladiators Man Hopefully I'm done I want to be done With the series

I hope I pray That you're done too I don't want to do anymore They're not fun You know No Not exciting Badge of honor

But also let's just be done Well let's talk about Some exciting Amen brother Okay Let's talk about your sports fandom Yeah Chicago Bears

Fanatic Bear down Bears baby Well I'm from Iowa Iowa has no professional sports teams anywhere in sight so we just get to pick and choose really. That's kind of normal

the Iowa people go up to that Midwest Chicago. A lot of Iowans are Chicago, I mean you get a lot of floaters you know what I mean? You go who's good? Right now we're probably filled with Kansas City Chiefs fans where as in 1993 there wasn't a Kansas City Chiefs fan in sight

right. But at the end of the day my grandpa was a Bears fan my dad, aunts, uncles, everybody was a Bears fan. So I grew up in Chicago Bear Fandom. Grew up a Bulls fan as well. Oddly enough, not a Cubs fan. Cardinals fan. My

grandpa liked the Cardinals. St. Louis back in the day, but they were were they? Were the Cardinals? Was there Chicago's Cardinals? That might have been football. Football. Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals started in Chicago. Yeah, but yeah. So Big Bears fan. Big Bears fan. I had a little

affair, I won't lie, in the midnight. with the San Francisco 49ers. It was very difficult. You know, I just, the bears were awful. What am I going to do? You know, what am I? We're watching the bear, or the bears stink every Sunday. I don't get it.

My dad, my grandpa's ripping up these, you know, stuffed animals and throwing stuff at the TV. And I'm like, why are we, why do we like this team? I didn't understand loyalty. I didn't get it, you know? Yeah. So I was like, look at this 49ers team. They're gold and red.

They play in candlestick. They got Steve Young and Jerry Rut. and Ricky Waters. Oh, dude, Brent Jones. Then they had Ken Norton and Richard Dents over there. And then Charles Haley, Dion comes in. No, forget about him. Merton Hanks in the secondary with the, you know, the bomb days.

He used to find me. He was a part of the finding people of the NFL. So you'd always talk to Mertz. Oh, he would find you. But any time you get fined for like, you know, violation of uniform or fucking illegal hit, you always have a hearing. Yeah.

He'll be Merton. Merton. Hanks. Got you. Got you. Just chicken dancing. Yeah, I know. But I love them.

So then I kind of like fell out of football a little bit and I kind of just left the way. And then I came back. And I came back and I said, of course, loyalty. I understand it now. I'm an adult. I'm a grown man. I understand loyalty. I understand family.

I understand that camaraderie. And so I've been a Bears fan through and through for the last 25 years or so. You got to be kind of excited right now with them. I mean, I am. Yeah. Like, you know, every year you want it to be the year. but I think the idea of we're looking at where they're at now, the four and three, look at where Caleb's at.

But it's Ben Johnson's first year as a head coach. It's Caleb's first year in the system. Last year was, I mean, just a shit show from a front office perspective. A lot of perspective. Yeah, a lot of perspective. But, I mean, that, you know, it all filters down. So it's like they were really struggling. I think if you keep this Ben, Caleb relationship,

you'll see a lot of progress in the next few years. And I hope that we can start to compete with the Packers who've got their shit down. And the Vikings were very well coached. You know, I'm not in or out on J.J. McCarthy just yet, but... What about the lions? The lions, dude. Fucking lion.

Stacked, bro. Stacked, Dan Campbell again. Just got everybody locked in there. He's put in a hutch. They just signed my guy a big deal. Big deal. Good for him, dude. That's the signs of a good franchise is when you draft, develop, and pay your own guys.

Love it. You know, they've... St. Brown. Yep. Penet. Johnson, Gibbs, now Hutch, bringing Goff. I mean, they're looking good and they're only getting better. I'm a little worried about those Vikings.

I am too. Bro, you, I said it right when they let Donald out of the building. You don't let a guy got your 13 wins out of a building? I know, dude. What a tough spot, though, because you draft McCarthy. Look, we don't know what he's going to be, but you know what I mean? And I know we're all confident in our ability to coach. I know we all got ego

but bro that's that's a crazy that's a crazy move because Sam Darnold's looking great over in Seattle right now in Seattle yeah yeah not look you know what I mean and so that's the NFL

it's been funny it's been fun storylines this year oh it's been a great season so far coming out of nowhere they just I never look

I never looked I never looked down on I knew they were gonna be what they're gonna be they're already better than last year everybody's waiting for him to slip you know

I'm like dude Pam Holmes's like 30 years old What are you talking about, dude? What do you mean? No matter how old Travis, when the lights come on, he's going to be there. Come on, it's fine. Now they look like they're unbeatable. I mean, they look that.

Besides, I mean, the Colts are looking amazing, which is a great story. I don't know what about them Patriots. Patriots looking good. Drake May. Drake May. Great, dude, that's exciting, huh? Oh, my God. I mean, it is.

He could have been a bear. He could have been a bear. He could have been a bear. I mean, that draft class is pretty sick. I mean, JJ's the only one. who's like the verdict's totally out on because he just has been hurt. But I mean, you look at those three guys

between Williams, Daniels, and Bo Nix, too. Bo Nix. Pretty darn good. But they still need that they all need to take the next step. The person who's developing the quickest, I think, right now, is Drake May. Like, James Daniels, he's taking a step because of the injuries. Yeah, he's had a tough sophomore season.

The sophomore, the injuries have kind of hampered him. And then once he comes back, everyone, and J.J. McCarthy's in the same category. When you come back and you haven't played in six weeks, these guys are in mid-season form. Yeah. You haven't even practiced. No, it's hard.

We're taking live bullets. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know what I mean? You've got to come in and you've only had nine quarters or something like that. Something like that. And then these guys, I mean, because that's what I remember. When I come back, I miss a couple weeks from injury, you come back and you're feeling like you got fresh legs,

but these guys are all seasoned. They've had a, like, a rep more on like just subconscious shit that's going to happen. So do you find it harder to like reaclimate then into the offense when you come back from an injury? You got to reaclimate fast. Yeah, for sure. You got to. For sure. Or, you know, where I was, you wouldn't go back in.

But yeah, dude, it's going to be a fun weekend this weekend and going forward. I like to call this the paste, the pasteurization period of the NFL season. Oh, what's that? What do you mean by that? Well, you know, when you're milking a cow, all that fat and the cream, it rises to the top. And right now we're in that part where it's starting to rise. And then we get cream season where you get cream teams, right? Cream teams.

But what's at the very top? What do you take from the top? What do you make at the top of it? I don't know. Butter. So which ones are going to be the butter teams? Which ones are going to be those butter teams? I really scrape off on that.

I like this analogy. I really enjoy this. This is very macho man. You're a fucking guy on that goddamn shirt. Really? This is a macho man analogy? So like years ago on TV I wanted to do something

to give a tip of the cap to a macho man So the cream to the rises to the top And I just did that And you came up with this whole milking analogy Which is fantastic And we took on a life in its own I don't steal this is great

This will end up with you doing a fox Like Sunday like interstitial From like a farm someplace I can just see it come back You're gonna be under a cow With the udders to hold for sure You know no question Do what you got to do for the game

I understand it I get that I get that. There he is. Cup of coffee in the big time. Who's your? Rises to the top. Mm, yeah.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. What a guy. What a character. What a character. I stole some of my current character from him. He was a big inspiration for a lot of it. What parts?

Oh, like just the over-the-top nature. Just the like, because when I was developing the visionary character, it was like coming right out of COVID. And we did live programming during. in COVID, just as the NFL played games with nobody there. We did our TV shows with nobody there, but it became, you know, I mean, from an NFL perspective, you guys had like the cardboard cutouts in the stands or whatever, and it was like, I mean, it was so, it was boring, right?

It was dead. There's no energy. That's how it was where we did ours in the Performance Center and then later we did some residencies in the local arenas in Florida. But one of the things that I noticed when I was watching the program, I have my baby in December and I have two months off, or maybe I'm. month off or so. And when I'm watching the program, I just noticed how like, bleh, everything was. And it was just like, everything was toned way down, all the, the promos,

the backstage. Everything was just muted. It felt slow. And it felt like everybody was trying to follow this trend. Like Roman Raines is really hot at the time. He's doing this tribal chief thing where everything's, you know, just, you know, mob bossy, very quiet and understated. And so when I was watching the show, I was like, man, I didn't love this about wrestling. I loved like larger than life, bright colors, over the top, and macho man Randy Savage, bam, you know what I mean? The way he delivered his promos, but he could still be taken serious when it was time to fight, Rick Flair, Rick the Model Martel, Mr. Perfect, ravishing Rick Rude. These were the guys, the villains that I looked at and hated but loved at the same time. So I took some elements

of those guys when I was thinking about what the visionary could be. That's awesome. That is awesome. Man. Yeah, Randy was probably one of the biggest influences on the character, I would say. I get in a wormhole at least three times a week of just footage of macho man Randy Savage and Italy fucking skiing in his fucking thing or doing the, I love. Oh, he was great. Like you said, it makes, it's so over the top, it puts you in a good mood.

puts you in a gray mood you can't you can't you everybody can do macho man you know everybody can everybody tries to do a macho man but you remember the costumes you remember the the you know his eyes you remember the promo all of it he's he's just he's a legend for sure if you were to ever like look at our group chat it's like 90% just macho man meme back and forth back and we communicate macho man clips pretty much best now what's it take to be a good heel um man what's it take to be a good heal. That's interesting because modern day heels are so different now than back in the day, right? What are the differences? Well, it used to be how much can I get the audience to hate me, which I think is still a primary mover, right? That's still one of the main goals. You have to be

willing to understand what the audience hates and do that, right? What's going to get people angry? like what's going to incite people because your main goal is a heel your main job is to get people to like the other guy to like the baby face right so you have to be able to kind of like find the things that are really gross or that really you know they poke at people or whatever it is and not be afraid to go there i think a lot of times what what our heels do nowadays back in the day the old guys didn't care they were they all knew they were rotten sobs they didn't care nowadays think everybody sees themselves in a way that they've got no flaws or that they've got they don't want to admit that they've got these types of tendencies inside of them you know they're oh i'm not i'm

that person i'm not i'm not i don't want everything to be about me like i'm not i'm not mean like that i wouldn't do that and it's hard for them to then become that character when it's time to when the red lights on time to go i think it's just you have to take an honest look at who you are understand that we've all got good and bad inside of us and you have to be be unafraid to find those rotten parts of you and figure out how to manifest them into a character live on screen. You have to be willing to put yourself out there. Now, I will say this, it's much easier in 2025 to be a bad guy than it is to be a good guy. Because everybody wants to hate everything. That's what they all want to do. No one wants to get online and talk about

how much they love something because no one cares. They just want to get online and bitch about anything. Anything they can find. They want to complain about anything. So it's, so easy to troll people to mess with people it's so easy to just get people to hate you it's like it there's no wrong you can do no wrong you can do no wrong as a bad guy you can screw up left and right you can mess up your promos you can screw up in the ring doesn't matter they'll boo you for it and then you're your gold you know so i think um i think it's just a different place that the thing that's different and i'll get into that is that our audience nowadays is so intelligent

that they know you are playing a character and if you do that too well then they start to like you and so you stop losing the ability to heal. That's interesting, man. You start, you start, there's, so I mentioned...

Too many sick individuals now that like heels too much. Well, we, I mean, heels have always been cool. But there was a different, because we stopped trying to hide what we do because we let everybody in on the secret, you know, now everybody's sort of just playing along with the heel. There's not a lot of truth to it. They know that, you know, like they're going to see me, you know, or hear me or whatever on this podcast, and it's not this guy, right? And I can't be that guy on this podcast because that's not legitimate. So the way

the culture is, the way the media is, and the way that everybody understands what pro wrestling is, makes it more difficult to be a successful heel long term. So I think you have to understand that like my last baby face run that I had kind of maybe two years ago was like sort of right off of this I'm a monster heel here in 2022 we're talking about this hell in a cell with Cody by the end of this year I'm a massive baby face so this is in like July or something I don't even in June is it June by the end of this year we're in Madison Square Garden I'm doing a stomp to Matt Riddle's head in Madison Square Garden on steel steps to people singing my song. And they had no choice but to flip me into a baby face the following year. And I ended up

working with Logan Paul at the following year's WrestleMania as a baby face. So within a year's time, I go from being the most hated guy in the world in this match to being one of the most beloved people on our roster. And I would say it is simply because I was doing my job too well. Yeah. And the audience respected that. They appreciated it. No, is that because the audience is so dialed into the craft and the whole picture of wrestling?

I think so. Oops. That they appreciate you, like, being so good at your craft that they just like you. Yeah, I mean, I couldn't do, I couldn't be mean enough at that point. Like, nothing I would do. Like I said, I stomp the guy's head into Steel Steps, who was a fairly beloved character, and it didn't matter. Like, I could, Roman Raines, who was very over at the time,

I could troll him and laugh in his face, and people thought it was hilarious. I went from being ridiculed for the silly outfits that I was wearing to, it'd becoming like, oh, what's Seth going to wear this week? You know? So I was doing all the things, the same things that I had done to get boot out of every building, and now it had just turned the other direction.

And they were like, this is great. And I do think it just has to do with the audience, understanding what it is and appreciating the effort that I was putting into the character into being a bad guy. You can never go too heel, though. can you? I mean, there are some lines you might not want to cross,

but I mean, I'm pretty, I'm pretty open as far as that is concerned. You know what I mean? There's some things you don't want to say that I find that we'll turn the audience off. You can't go too heel. You can. Yeah, yeah, you can. And I think because our company is a publicly traded company now,

you know, you have shareholders, you have advertisers for TV. We had to ask. Yeah, so there are. a lot of things that you can say that, you know, if it affects the bottom line, then you've gone too far. I get it 100%. How was Logan Paul as a wrestler? As a wrestler, he's great. Yeah, he's pre-athletic. He's extremely athletic. I mean, he's a young cat. He's extremely athletic. One of the things that he excels in, and I don't want to, you know, say too many nice things about the guy. but one of the things that he's great at is he knows he doesn't know anything

so coachable exactly he knows he doesn't know anything he respects the craft of you guys once he got in and he realized what it is we do he was like oh dude this is awesome I'm in love with this this is so much fun and like I remember working with him or like early on seeing him work and talk to him and he like he was blown away by the level of intricacy, like the thoughts and the planning and the processing that goes on behind the scenes. Like he didn't, I don't think he fully understood what kind of scope there. I mean, I think he just thought, oh, there's a bunch of guys that just show up in their underwear and oil up and go out there and do this fake fighting thing. He didn't understand like the amount

of brain power that it took to be good at this job. Yeah. And so when he realized, he's got a lot of brain power. So, if you, like, if you think about, like, this guy is, like, a master marketer. Yes. Like, he's literally grown up in this shit. Yep. And he, you know what I mean? So.

And in a world full of people that want to be Logan Paul's now, you mean, everybody, and you can ask kids these days, what do they want to be an influencer? Everyone. Insane. It's nuts. Right. To be successful in that field is very, very difficult when everybody's trying to do the same things.

So, yeah, he's got a lot of brain power. But that was the thing. He's very coachable. He knew what he didn't know. And he trusted the people, me and whoever else he was working with that had the experience to tell him what to do. And then he's a quick learner. Because he didn't have, he had no notions about himself. He's like, I can, they tell me what to do? I'm smart enough that I can soak this up like a sponge and just get better and better. And you've seen that in his career. For a guy that's had less than 20 matches, I think, he's extremely, he's gotten very good, very fast. it almost doesn't have any bad habits to pull from. Yeah, you don't have to like un-teach him things. Yeah. He doesn't have anything that needs to unlearn. Some coaches, you know, when you draft a guy or young football players, you know, sometimes they're coached habits that don't fit into your system. You know, so it's a big, it's a big thing to try to coach that into a guy that's not coachable. Yeah.

You know, and when you have a coachable guy that doesn't have that much, it's almost like starting from zero. And so you get to maneuver how he goes from there. Yeah, yeah. It's basically how it is. He's like a blue chip prospect. You know, number one draft pick right out. He'd be like, oh, this is a guy. But he was so coachable and he wasn't stuck in his habits.

And he wasn't like, no, this works for me. So let's just do that. You know, he was very much like, here's the things I can do. Please help me make sense of it. Yeah. Please help me take my athleticism and put it in the right spot. That's cool to hear. That's cool to hear.

Now, before we move on, you were healing this. So we got to talk more heel. Bad stuff, yeah. Bad guy stuff. Who's the Mount Rushmore of heels? Oh, wow. That's a great question. I don't know that I've answered the Mount Rushmore question quite often in my life in general,

but not the heel Mount Rushmore. I think you probably start with Rick Flair. Rick Flair. This was on the show. He was just on. Oh, he was just on? He was a wild man. He is my guy.

He's ready to rock and roll. Jet flying. He's in nuts. job. He's a... He's stealing. Wheel and dealing. Having a hard time.

Keeping these gators down. He's one of the best heels of all time. Gosh. Man, how much... How I'm far in the way back machine? I used to hate the rock when he... He was kind of a heel, too, back in the day. Rock, yeah, I mean, he was...

Then he got too popular. See, he did his job too well. There you go. Case and point. Because I was a stone cold kid. Me too. Still am. Still am. Yeah, yes. Stunk cold, man.

Stone cold, number one. Man, man, boy. Gosh, you know, there's an argument to be made at Triple H. Triple H was really good for a while. Extremely hated for a variety of reasons during his run. Strong heel. So we got Rick Flair, Triple H. These are two great heels.

Gosh, who else is in there that's just really the worst? You know what? I'll say this. We think about him mostly as a baby face, but honestly, I think his heel stuff had the most impact on the business long term. Probably Hulk Hogan. Oh, yes. Hollywood Hogan?

Because Hollywood, the Hollywood turn was one of the... I was so fucking sad. Dude, one of the biggest, you know, one of the biggest moments, watershed moments in our industry when you took the biggest hero in the business. And yeah, he had the black beard

and everything. And he was a very detestable character at that time. But it was almost kind of like Raider Cool again. I know. Eventually. I hated them at first, though. I was like, no, white. I mean, he broke, he broke hearts, you know what I mean?

He did. He broke hearts. He crushed all those kids who were Hulkomaniacs growing up, you know, praying, prayers, training, vitamins. Everything gone, training that red and yellow for black and white. Yeah, so that's one of them. And then, gosh, I think maybe if I had to go, I think I think I have to go further back. Maybe the King Harley Race.

Harley was nasty What years was he Dude Harley was like Put a picture I gotta see who I think Rick told the story About him pulling a gun on Hulk Hogan On our episode

That seems right Yeah right Yeah Harley was like the 70s 60s 70s Those were his probably His big decades I would say

Oh man But he was just He was rotten There was nothing About him Likeable You know what I mean but he was also like there he is i mean look at that look at that scumbagg

the sweetest man you'll ever meet to like he i mean he's passed away now but when he would come around we would be into the st louis area or kansas city area he lived in missouri ran a wrestling school i think till his till his passing but he uh he was the nicest guy i ever one of the nicest guys back said you ever met and not one of those old timing guys it was like oh today's kids don't know nothing like he was not like that he was very cool very easy to talk to um but man as a as a performer just mean he was mean he was like the embodiment of a bully and he was mean but he would when the time was right the same with rick he would always give it back to his baby face so he would always allow his baby

face i mean he was grated bumping around like a maniac and selling for his baby face and stuff like that when the time was right so i mean those are those are four of them i mean you could There's probably some more in there, but... Becky Lynch? Becky's great. She's an incredible heel. I think people, again, think of her as, oh, the man, Big Babyface Run in 2019,

WrestleMania main event and all that. She's an incredible heel. Yeah. She is awesome. She was awesome in her first kind of like heel run as Big Time Bex, where, you know, the main purpose of her being a heel was to help Bianca Bel Air reach, you know,

super stardom at WrestleMania, which she did. And now what she's doing with the women's interkinal championship. I mean, her heel work is off the charts. And I told her a million times, I'm like, you're going to be a baby face out of this because you're too good at it and no one else is doing what you're doing. So you guys have those talks at home? Oh, all the time. Of course. That's awesome. That's one of the things that, you know, makes it easy is that we're both in the same profession. So we understand each other and we can bounce off each other. And she can tell me when, you know, something I'm doing is working or vice versa. So yeah, I mean, she's, she's one of the

best she's the best in my opinion female to ever lace them off yeah not just me saying other people are saying it um sports illustrated says it that's that's her bit right now uh case you didn't know so yeah but she's i mean she is she's just one of the best to ever do it um regardless of gender and uh she's a pioneer for the sport for women for sure but she's also not afraid to take risks and she's not afraid to help get other people over um i mean i can't say enough about her she's one of the best promos in the business again gender aside and one of the only in my opinion women that you can put a microphone in their hand send them out to the ring and just let them go for 10 15 minutes like you can't do that

with a lot of other women in our industry and she's she's special she's definitely a unicorn in that regard now when you guys are parenting the kids are we parenting them as heels or a little big baby faces okay we're we're too too much we need to be more we need to be more keelish to the kid, man. She's spoiled rotten. That's hot. You know that this is our first husband and wife on the show. That's right. We're making history today. We're making it. Oh, really? Is that true? Oh, hell you. No, no. Jeannie bus. Oh, and Jay Moore. No way. Jeannie Bus and Jay Moore. Hey, friends of ours. Friends of ours. They're awesome. They're great. They're great. I'm actually, Jay's got a podcast. I just did it. Oh, you did it?

Yeah. More stories. Nice. Careful. Careful. He'll let a rib. Yeah. I'm going to ask all the hard-hitting questions in the First two seconds, Jesus. Hernandez, this, that. I'm like, oh, God, he went straight forward, huh? Like, Jesus, Jay. Oh, man, I'm gonna be up first, bro. Jeez, Louise. Jay, more, more like Jay, enough.

Good, Jesus. All right, man. Jay Les, how about that? They just got him, got them. Look at us. We're riven. We'll be right back after this quick break. Who would you call if the unthinkable happened?

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That's how long Elizabeth's and its family waited for justice to occur. 35 long years. I want to figure out why this case went on for as long as it did, why it took so many bizarre and unsettling turns along the way, and why, despite our best efforts to resolve suffering, we all too often make suffering worse. He would say to himself, turn to the right, to the victim's family, and apologize, turn to the left, tell my family I love him.

So he would have this little practice, to the right, I'm sorry, to the left, I love you. From Revisionous History, this is The Alabama Murders. Listen to Revisionist History, The Alabama Murders on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's go back into time where the match took place and talk about some of the pop culture going around. Oh, wow. This took place on June 5th, 2022, pop movie, Top Gun Maverick. What a movie. What a movie.

It's a perfect movie. What a movie. It literally, my dad was just here for eight days. I think he watched it four more times. Oh, dude. I mean, I get, get me the goose pimples,

got me the tears in the opening credits. You know what I mean? When you just hear the song? Oh. Did it save the movie industry? I don't know. Movie industry is still not doing hot. God bless it.

Need a couple more of those top guns. Yeah, yeah. WWE taking the viewers, dog. You know, it's, it's pretty crazy that that's exactly isn't that what we just just happened the strikes in Iran

oh yeah it was the literal same plot thing well that wasn't Iran wasn't that it was like China I don't know look it up all right number one song as it was by Harry Styles

I don't know that song you know it's not the same as it was yeah I don't know that The Johnny Debt Amber Hurd case was going That swept the nation I remember that That was

What it was the resolution That they were both Just jerks I think they're both bad I think he won He did win I think she's slightly worse Yeah

That was it Yeah they were both They were both awful Terrible toxic relationship Yeah She was slightly worse I think that was You're right

That That's the cliff He's still getting that Savage money That sucks man That is, let's, that's crazy. Super Bowl champions were the L.A. Rams. Aaron Rogers was the MVP.

Oh. Oh, sorry, sorry, sorry. You're not an Aaron Rogers fan? A Bears guy, bro. Yeah, he owned them. He owns them. I know we have Pittsburgh on the schedule later this season. I am terrified of that game.

Revenge me. Because, well, our secondaries is absolutely trash right now. Trash. I mean, they don't have a ton of people to throw to. I don't know. Was there a news on the Firemuth injury? He looked like his knee. He's pretty banged up.

They have DK. Trade deadline is Tuesday. Tuesday. We are going to be... I bet you there's going to be some fireworks. I think so, too. Firework. I think so, too.

There's never fireworks in the NFL. Everyone always wants the NFL to be like the NBA and the NHL. It just never is. We'll see. Huh? We'll see. We'll see. I feel like there's going to be some moves, too. I think there's going to be.

Tom Brady, unretired. After just 40 days of retirement. I mean, he played till 45. was savage. That's crazy. That's unprecedented to be that good until 45. He literally, he took care of his body. That's all he cared about.

That's amazing. I mean, do you think it was, do you think it was him taking care of his body as much as it was also the NFL starting to take care of quarterbacks more? Both. Okay.

Because the first eight years, first 10 years of his career. No, he was getting smashed up. I mean, it wasn't the 70s where they were eye-gouging and shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know, he was getting hit. Yeah. But I think the rule changes did help him, and he used to, he would acknowledge that.

Okay, yeah. He'd be like, this game's easier now. My receivers can't get killed over the middle. You know, I don't, I can't get hit. Oh, I love how. I love his, uh, his, like, talk about that and how it makes people, makes them lazy, right? Like, makes, yeah, because you're, because you don't have to account for those things anymore. You would essentially, like, when a guy got knocked out, that, that was the offense making

a mistake and the defense winning the coverage bat. You know, if a guy's running through a zone, the guy shouldn't be running through a zone. There's a guy sitting there, you know what I mean? Like those kind of things were all no-nows on the offense. Yeah, yeah. You know, the offense lost that play. And you had to be better. You had to take those into account.

You had to take those into account. Now, you know, it's a fly zone across that middle. It used to be, like Tom said, I remember going across getting hit by Ray Lewis, knocked out for two weeks. You know what I mean? It's just, that's how it was. Yeah. Gosh.

But, you know, I'm a fan of the players not getting killed, too. It's a double-edged sword, like you said. You don't want to be an old-timer sitting there looking back on the game, like the old-timers of the past. I mean, the game's still blast. It's still a blast. It's still the best sport to watch by far, in my opinion. It's a fun sport.

I mean, it's just, it's everyone, the parody is so, so good. In reality, only, like, six teams can really. win it. But any given Sunday, everyone still can mustered up a performance because everyone's good. Yeah. And all coaches, even if they're not the greatest coaches, these guys are putting

hours into this. You know what I mean? So like, any given Sunday, that's real. Yeah, that's legit. That's real. Now, uh... Don't cold. Don't cold, baby. He came back there he is. Jack. Didn't he crash the ATV coming in or something? Not that year. That was a different... That was last year. That was last year. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

I'm getting my stone cold comeback's confused. Yeah, yeah, that was last year. Just made the appearance and ran the ATV into somebody in Las Vegas. So you're 38 years. Were you a stone cold guy growing up? Of course, yeah, Stone Cold was awesome. He was, who was your wrestlers? Because that was probably when you were like 10, 11.

Yeah, I was born in 86. So Austin got real hot, started in 97 and then like blew up 98, 99, 2000. 2001, I'd say. And then he got hurt. And then he was, you know, off and on. after that but then it became the rock yeah rock had a small run but rock was also gone rock's like main roster run was only six years he debuts or maybe yes six years seven five years something like that he debuts in like 96 97 and he's gone in 22 done like in and out he was off to hollywood by

that point he was but yeah i was an austin guy i was sean michael's was my god michael's love so i loved the first iteration of dx with sean hunter and china like they i love them so he was Like when Austin was kind of coronated, WrestleMania at 14, he beat Sean, who was real banged up at the time. But like, I was like, ah, you know,

I kind of was reluctant to get on board the Austin wagon because I love Sean so much. But then Sean was gone for four years. He got surgery on his back and got himself right. And, uh, you know, Austin,

I was all on board. Steve's great. Let's do a little word association. I'll throw a name. What's the first thing that comes to your mind? Great. Brock Lesner. Asshole.

John Sina. Goat. Macho man. Oh, yeah. Becky Lynch. I'm a lucky man. C.M. Punk. Ah.

Worst. Rick Flair. Woo. The Rock. Oh, what a guy. I'm friends with DJ now. So he sent me when I got hurt after WrestleMania, 40.

He sent me like a giant, I mean, it was so much ice cream and chocolate. You, it's still, we still have, we still have, we still have pints. We still have pints in the back fridge because there's too much ice cream to go through. He's a big cheat day guy.

I mean, I've seen it on Instagram or one of the ones, he loves that cheat day. What a guy. We got to get this man on Oscar. He was awesome in Smashing Machine. He was very good. Smashing Machine was very good. So good. We loved Smashing Machine.

And, yeah, but yeah, he's, he's, what a guy. Last one, Cody Rhodes. Um, son of a son of a plumber. There it is, baby. Son of a son of a plumber. Dasty Rose, there it is. Should we get into, uh, Teddy real quick? Let's get into it.

All right, we got Cody Rose, build out of Georgia from Atlanta. As we said there, Dusty Rhodes is his pops. Gold Duss is his brother for all you wrestling lineage heads out there. I remember for the crossroad. Didn't he fall? Gold has passed? No. No.

Remember he did a hanging thing and there was like a rumor when we were young? Remember he did the, he was hanging, was he hanging on something? In a crazy man. Something sounds familiar about this. I used to kind of fuck what Gold does. Me too, me. He was weird, did all his weird shit. It was a unique character.

I like that. Yeah. It was good vibes. Made his main roster debut in 07, two-time WODD champion. one-time Universal Champ, uh, 20-23, 20-24,

Royal Rumble winner. Great tag team guy, seven-time champ there. Uh, he was also in the AEW for a bit, had a lot of success over there, was really the face of that brand. Uh, most notably in that run,

had a beef with Shaq. Did T&T, baby. That's right. We know drama. What's up with Shaq? What, did Shaq jump in that ring? They were like something.

I know Sha, I've seen Shaq in there. Jack might have done something in the ring. Did he do something? Yeah, they had like a, uh, They had him do something.

Yeah, it was like a little, like, show crossover kind of vibe. Yeah, yeah. I don't know if he wrestled a match or anything like that. I think he gave like a leg, the seven foot legs on. I don't remember what he did. He was around. Superman. So what was Cody Rhodes like in this era?

During this period of time? Yeah, during this period of time. Well, at this point, Cody had only been back for a few months. He comes back to WW, after a long hiatus, started a rival company, AW, and had been making some headway over there. And then he comes back to WWE at WrestleMania this year as my mystery opponent,

which legitimately was about as last minute as you can get for a WrestleMania match. And that was a big deal for our industry to have someone who had, he was like the first guy who had left, gone to AW and then had come back.

And I was tasked with, you know, working with him right out of the gate. And, you know, we were looking to make him a big star. He had done his due diligence while he was gone to get himself to a position where when we brought him back, he was ready to be kind of one of the top acts in the company, which when he left, I don't remember what year he left, but when he did leave, he was not that guy. And top brass didn't see him as that guy.

So he was coming back in a position where hopefully they were hoping that they could groom him to be in the John Cena position. And so he was more than excited to get back in the ring with me. He's someone who I've had a lot of history with his father who helped kind of, he didn't train me, but he helped hone me and build me when I was in developmental. I worked with him and his brother a lot when we, me, in my group, the Shield first came in WWE back in 2012. And so there was a lot of history there, and he was more than happy to step into the

ring with me. I had been, you know, turning my wheels in WWE ever since. And we were really starting to feel the, the wind come underneath our wings. We'd gone through a rough patch, COVID, and all that. And then we were coming out of that and things were going really well. So this was, what, 22, you said? Yeah. Yeah, we were just about to hit the rockets.

Now, 2016, he went over to AEDAW. Going to outer space. So he'd been gone for six years. Yeah. And how last minute are we talking with this? What did I find out about this? I do roar a rumble. I wrestle Roman Reins and roar a rumble.

After that, there was some conversations about matches. I would say I didn't know about Cody for sure until the middle of March, I want to say. Jeez. Two months? For sure. Yeah, for sure. I would say WrestleMania is in April. And so we had like maybe a month.

of lead time knowing Cody was for sure coming. And even until like the like the two weeks before, I remember being like, do we have his signature on a piece of papers? No, we know this is this is what we're going to do. And it was very top secret. There were very few people that knew about what was going on. So what about his torn peck? Well, the peck was later. These are different matches. There's different matches. So this is WrestleMania. We do WrestleMania. A month later, we have a show called Backlash. We do a rematch at Backlash. Here we go. uh he beats me again then we're going to finish this story um in hell in a cell um once and for all going to get it done so we booked this hell in a cell match the paper views called hell in a cell

um you know i'm going to get my big win finally because he's beat me two times in a row um and we're i'm ready to go the week before this he's in the gym bench pressing Pop. Pop. Gone. Gone. Immediately. They've sent him a doctor. Oh, yeah, that peck is gone.

He knew it right away. Yeah. He's like, that peck is gone. They're like, well, do we get surgery right away? Can you still wrestle is what he wanted to know? Can I still wrestle? I mean, the peck's gone. You're not going to do anything.

Like, you're not going to hurt it any worse, but you can't do anything with it. Yeah. So I suppose. and like I didn't see this happened on like a Tuesday we had non-televised events so live events like on Saturday I think Friday and Saturday that week I remember and I remember he showed up to these non-televised events one of them I think it was Saturday in Rockford Illinois and he was there we were supposed to have a match on this this live event and obviously he they didn't want it to

take any chances so he wasn't wrestling on that but he showed up and he had you know he showed me it and it looked like that right there you see in that picture. I was like, what the fuck? What are you talking about? Dude, what are you talking about? You cannot wrestle like that. He's like, yeah.

I'm like, what? Like, how are we supposed to have a match? You can't do anything. You're in a copious amounts of pain. Like what, what, what, how are we? We were supposed to have a hell in a cell match, which is one of the most violent matches in our industry. And like, what, how are we going to have?

I'm like, oh, dude, this sucks. This sucks so bad. So that was kind of the lead up to it. And, you know, we were in Chicago for this, this match, which is one of the greatest wrestling crowds on the planet. Oh, yeah. hometown. And they, and they, uh,

the, Iowa. It's, I mean, it's my second city. Yeah. It's my second. I did a lot of independent shows when I was there breaking in.

Allstate Arena is just one of our, like, flagship spots. Hell yeah. And it is always packed. This was no exception. And, um, we go out.

there and we have to have this hell and a cell match to main event this show we had to try to figure out how to do it and make it make it special like that's not like people I don't know people don't realize like when you blow a peck like you can't do anything couldn't do anything there's like nothing connected so like I was watching this in pain yeah and I think that's how the audience was watching

I was like oh my god because he and he couldn't use it when you uh yeah and there's a couple times where you pulled them up where you gave the arm back and the stretch. Yeah, the stretch and you were about to drop them. He was a trooper for going through with that one.

And I remember... Did you feel bad at all when you were having to beat his ass? Of course, of course, yeah. I mean, I tried to be, you know, as gentle with him as I could. But, you know, he volunteered to take some things that we're probably, you know,

he knew we're going to hurt him. I mean, the first time he falls down in the match, I believe, is like he does a... He has this move called a Cody Cutter where he jumps off the second row. there was a first thing first time he fell down in the in the match and I remember after him saying like it was the worst pain he'd ever felt and then the adrenaline you know got him through the rest of it but that first one he said was the awful like awful awful and there's like some times where I have like a kendo stick and I'm like jamming it into the bruise part of it and like yeah I can I power bomb him through a table in this match and when he took the jacket off you could hear the crowd just all the wind Didn't they don't know they they they I don't think they fully understood that it was a legitimate injury until they saw it and there's probably some people in that audience that didn't know that he was hurt you know that most of them saw it on the internet or had heard about it whatever but they hadn't they didn't they may not have known and then they see it see it and it's obviously brutal Jesus and uh and it honestly when I watched it back I watched it back recently I was thinking to myself like dude like like what? the crowd took so long to get invested into what was happening

because they were so legitimately concerned that they shouldn't be watching what they were watching. Like, are we seeing like some masochism here? Like, what are we seeing here, you know? It's like when you see something on Twitter that you're not supposed to watch. Yeah. It was not yet.

You know, like, you go and you see those fight scenes. You're like, what the? Oh, I feel bad for this guy. What are we, it's like that. I had the if feeling the whole time. It's like when they put Tua back in the game. Oh, Jesus. Dude, oh my gosh.

No, it was so jarring. The visual, like the colors and the blue and the hues. Oh, my God. Jackie, we didn't break down Seth freaking Rawlins. We got to give Seth his flowers. Hold on. Oh, there I am. Real quick.

You mentioned that this match was going to be one that you won. And then after, like, he got hurt. That was the game lead up, like, for the people, right? In my head, I, you know, I was hoping to get it back story-wise. I don't know what the, I don't know what the, I don't know what the, planned outcome of the match was before he hurt his peck. I don't know if it was, you know, we hadn't gotten that far.

Usually I just wait till the day of to understand what that's going to be. We can pivot from there. But I think when he hurt his peck, I think it seemed, at least to me, it felt obvious. Yeah. You have to win that man. Rocking versus the Russians. Yeah. I mean, that's the best story. And he was, even though he was

going to be gone for nine months, it was like, is it, you know, what do we do we do, you know, give Seth the win because Cody's going to be gone and that's oftentimes how it works. So if someone's going to be gone, we'll just give them a rub. But it just made sense from the story perspective. And I was a heel.

It wasn't going to hurt me any to lose at that point. So I got you in the hospital. Made perfect sense. Sunkle. Yes. Beating him with the bed hand. Fucking beat his ass and pin him in the hospital. I mean, I did beat the bejesus out of him the following night.

Yeah, the following night I really put him out of action for good. That was when the sledge and we came back out. I brought the sledge and I smashed him and the whole nine. Oh, my God. Hold on. Sorry, I ended up looking at this. I just pulled up that picture of Stone Cold with the bed paint. Oh, my God.

Let me drop. This is killing me. Put it in. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's all-timer. We've got to see it. There it is.

Oh, my God. I think you scribbed in first. Beautiful. Beautiful. Got to follow protocol. That is too much, man. That is too much. We got to give, we went through Cody.

you have set this flowers here. I mean the fucking the goat in my book. I'm a, I'm a fan man. The 6-1-225 baby at a Davenport, Iowa, the Kingslayer, the architect, the curb stomp, baby. This is a one-time crown jewel champ. Fresh. The stop. I know. Sorry. I'm using the old school terminology. It's okay. Two-time WW Heavyweight champ. Two-time Universal champ. Two-time W-WE champ. Two-time IC champ. One-time tag team champ. Seven-time. No, five-time. tag team champ, money in the bank briefcase winner. He's like Caleb Williams out here, number one overall pick in the WW draft. Don't forget it back in 2014.

The number one over, yeah, it was 2016. Sorry, I got missed up there. But, yeah, I mean, Seth Rohn's biggest guy going. Yeah, the only thing I'm curious, aerialist. I don't know where that came from. I've never been the aerialist. Yeah, they go wild on some of these nicknames. Yeah.

And they throw all the AKAs in there just in case. All the other ones. CrossFit Jesus? CrossFit Jesus. You do got a, the CrossFit. Jesus looks like that. That's cool one, all right, yeah. I didn't, I don't know where that came from, but I mean, it's good.

I think I made a shirt. Now, where did you get Seth Rollins from? Dusty. So Cody's dad came up with it, not came up with it, but put it together. When we were getting hired, at the time, 2010 is when I got hired with WWE. I was Tyler Black. That was my name on the independent wrestling circuit, which I got from two movie characters that I really liked.

It's Tyler Durdon from Fight Club, Serious Black from Harry Potter, put them together. Damn. That was my name. Then, WW wants to own me, so I own Tyler Black in perpetuity, and they can't have it. Even if I try to sell it to him, they cannot have it. So if I leave, I can still be Tyler Black, and they didn't want nothing to do with that at the time. So we come up with a new name. So I just got lists of last names and first names that I liked.

I don't even actually know why Seth was on. The first name list. I think it was just because I was going through names that people didn't have on the main roster. And Seth, I don't know. I put it on there. I don't think I had any reason for it. What Rollins was on there because I was a big Henry Rollins fan. Thought Henry Rollins was a cool guy.

And I took this list to Dusty Rhodes, American Dream, baby, who was the head of creative and developmental at the time. And it was his job to suss out a name and figure out what he wanted. And he just really liked the name Seth Rollins, baby. he couldn't do the S and I think that popped him and so he's Seth Rollins that's it I see it in the marquee now

maybe it's Seth Rallan and I see it for WrestleMania that's it and so that was it I wonder how Mike Tyson's would say it similar similar yeah yeah

yeah yeah yeah spinal spinal spinal yeah yeah set Rallens that's Rallens

so yeah I think that that was it and then I've been Seth Rallens ever since now how did you come up with your your move the stomp I stole it

Straight up, yoinked it. I stole it from a guy named Alex Shelley who wrestles in WWB now. He's in a tag team called Motor City Machine Guns with Chris Sabin. He stole it from a Japanese wrestler named Merifuchi. Marifuchi is like a god when it comes to innovating wrestling moves. And neither of them ever did it as a finishing move, though. I think I was actually the first person to ever do it as like, bam, finished. I was on a live event back in 2010 or 11.

At the time, I was doing a different finisher, but I was using the stomp as a, like a signature move, you know, a false finish. One, two, the guy would kick out. And it just looked so nasty that the guy who was producing the show, his name is T.J. Wilson, he, who's still a producer for WWB now, he was like, man, you should really think about using that as your finished finish. So the next night, had another non-televised event. I did it as the finish, and then that was my finish from then on. Now, how do you describe your style? I can do it all. I have no style. I'm like, I can do everything you need.

I'm, in my opinion, I'm the perfect wrestler. Well, no, because I'm, I'm not too big. I'm not too small. I can fly around, but I can brawl. I can do, I can be technical. I can do any kind of match that you want me to do with no limitations. I'm strong enough to pick up guys that weigh 400 pounds. and I'm not so big that I can't sell for Ray Mysterio.

So I can do anything. I have no weak points when it comes to what my style is. If you need to have a match or you need a brawl, just a knockdown, drag out fight, you know, with blood everywhere. I can do that. If you need a technician's like just boom, boom, boom, Rob Van Dam, Jerry Lynn, I can do that.

So it's like anything you need, I got it. I can do it. would you be? Oh, quarterback. You think quarterback? Quarterback. I mean, I'm thinking, like, I'm thinking athlete-wise. Athlete-wise?

I'll tell you what I think. I'd probably be a safety. I think you're, like, a fast linebacker. Oh, interesting. I could see that. I'd have to put on some size. But not, how much you wait? 225?

2-17? Then you're like a Cam Chancellor's safety, then? I'm probably, like, 2-10 right now. Okay, well, then you're probably like a, like, a inbox safety then. Yes. Guy that can hit play the run, cover a tight end, dropping coverage, blitz. Yeah, that's like that athleticism fits you. That's where I would see myself on the defense side of the ball.

Because they're like big dudes, but they're also the most athletic dudes. True. You know, they're not like D-Lyman, even though some of the D-Ns are like. They're sick now, yeah. Crazy athletes. And you look bad ass with the hair flowing out of the back of the helmet. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You'd be like Troy Palomalo.

I could be a little Palomala without the curls, yeah. Yeah, yeah. But that's if I, from athletic standpoint, that's probably where I'd sit. Because you also got to kind of be... But I like that you went quarterback. I like that. No, no, I be the quarterback. That's no doubt about it.

That's how my brain operates. Because, yeah, I like to be in control. I have a obsession with control a little bit. Now, where did the sneaker head come from? I'm not a sneaker head at all. You just wear a cool sneakers. I'm not a sneaker head. I have a stylist, and that dude is sick.

And he gets me everything I need. His name is Troy. Find him on Instagram is King Troy with an eye. And King Troy has been my stylist. When I started the visionary character, he was doing, we actually did like a maternity shoot for my wife. She wanted to do some pictures when she was in like, you know, third trimester. And obviously she wanted me be involved in this, but I'm like, I'm not going to dress myself for this.

She had a stylist, Troy, and I was like, just have Troy pick out my stuff. And he had been looking to style a dude anyway. He'd always styled women and stuff like that. still style some of the girls for WWE as well but he was he was like shit I'll do it so he found me some suits and stuff for that and it turned out great and I was like hey can I just like pay you to do this for me you know I'll do it on TV yeah I get because I I have no style

I have no my style is had me fooled like this the macho man shirt is mine but like he you know I don't buy these jeans I don't buy these shoes like I don't know none of this stuff so normally I just wear like the most comfortable thing I can find I have sweat pants that I bought from Walmart from 25 years ago. I like sweatshirt. I love a sweatshirt.

Underrated. It's like... Well, you live in L.A., right? Living in here. Yeah, you know when... I'm a sweat guy when I was back east. Yeah, of course. Sweat short. Too hot. Yeah, I get that. I understand that. But I like to freeball it in a sweat short or sweat. You know? Always. I understand this. I am with this. That's, I mean, that was like the uniform at work.

When we go, just sweats. Sweets and Fridays, we, like, Friday would be like, our free dress Friday. Nice. Yeah, yeah. So I, all credit to Troy,

dude. Anything you see that looks cool, he probably gave it to me. Check them out. Troy. Dude, King Troy, Troy with an eye.

King Troy knows ball, man. He's got, I mean, you were down under wearing the Dion Sanders joints, man. That was so fresh. He got the Dion's for the gear.

Yeah, he said the, so that those shoes. I had the kid. Yes, those shoes, the shoe idea came from my gear guy. His name,

Sarat. He does all my gear. So everything you see, like Troy, we're looking at these pictures here. Troy would have given me the jump suit on the top, but Sarat would have done the designs on the gear there at the bottom where me and Becky are taunting that idiot, CM Punk. And then whatever shoes I was wearing, Sarat would have suggested those because he is a bit of a sneaker

head. So he'll get on and like be like, oh, these will match the kick pads and get these. And so we, you know, we had the black and gold kind of look for Perth. And so he got the Dion's. And, you know, I've done like the foam posits and some other stuff. But I, I wrestling in some phones. That's so back to your nine or day. days, baby. That's right. Yes, sir. Let's break into the semantics. We did the map lead up already.

We hit this lead up pretty well. Seth gave it to us perfectly in the match. I mean, this thing had it all. We had hell in the cell, of course, first. We got to lay out the rules here. No DQs. Had to be a pinfall or submission in ring. We're here in Illinois, baby.

Pack crowd. The peck comes out. Hush falls over that place. I mean, we were out back watching this thing. We took our breath away. The whole thing. This thing has. starting it out, going off the ropes,

Seth gets, or Cody gets going earlier, gets that fall, then we go shopping. Go shopping a little bit under there. A lot of shopping. A lot of shopping. You think we're at Home Depot, baby, reaches under, it says like, no, I don't want this toolbox. I thought you were going to toolbox.

I thought you were going toolbox for your hammer. Oh, not yet. I was just, at that point, I think he has me in the figure four. Yes. I'm going to deep panic. I'm just reaching for something because there's no rope breaks, you know, in a regular match. If they had submission in, you get to the rope.

And, you know, you tried it early. It didn't work. You tried early. Get me something. Get me a thing. And I, you know, a hammer. I wouldn't be able to reach him, but a stick. Got him.

Got him. Now what goes into the weaponry? When you're, you're playing this bad boy out. You just go under there and it's like fucking. I mean, it's not a free for all. You have an idea of what you're going to, what weapons you're looking for.

You know what I'm saying? And some of it's, you know, a lot of it's just wrestling. You know, there's tables under the ring. There's a stick under the ring. There's a toolbox if you need it. There's, you know, the stairs are out there. obviously the cage is a weapon in this to be used.

And then, you know, there's some situations that you would get later in this match. You see, you know, Cody had stashed his dad's bull rope. I hadn't seen a bull rope like in years. Years, man. That was crazy. I wanted to ask you about the bullrope. Have you had much experience with that?

Never. And he knew that. And that's why he brought it in. He obviously grew up around it. He watched his dad have countless bull rope matches. He understood the mechanics of the bull rope. but he knew that my ego would not allow me to say no, I would have to tie myself to this one-on-arm band.

You got him with that thing. You were pulling his ass to the thing. Yeah, but he had more the tricks, man. He got it underneath me between my legs, flip me over, use the cowbell on my dome. It was not good. More cowbell. It was not good.

But, yeah, that was one of those things where he played into, you know, how can he, he is one arm. What can he do to create a disadvantage from me? So he put me in a position that I, I wasn't familiar with. He was able to even the odds a little bit. I miss a big frog splash through a table here. I was going to say you look like a member of Bill's Mafia out there.

Yeah. So there's some calculated risks that didn't pay off. And yeah, we got into... You got him with one of these, too. You have the smash. A pedigree? Yeah. Did I get him?

I don't know if I got him with a pedigree in this match. I saw he pull his arm back and I was worried. I think I tried and he said, hell no. And he got me with one. Um, but yeah. I mean, I got, I took, I got him with everything. We had crossroads. I gave him a crossroads. That was awesome. Um, and I couldn't put him away to his testament. He's a fighter. He was, uh, he was not going down easily. So I ended up pulling out the hammer. My old mentor, Triple H. The polka dots for his dad. That was awesome. What a troll job. I love it. I was in a stage of trolling my opponents. Hell yeah. I started, started started with Ray Mysterio, uh, was awesome. where I wore one of Ray's, so I wrestled his son, Dominic,

and I wore one of Ray's old gears back at SummerSlam, 2020, maybe, I want to say 2020 or 2021, and probably 2020. And I kind of kept it there. I mean, I wrestled Roman. I wore our old shield gear to kind of get inside his head. I thought the dots would be a great one. And we even, you know, we did the kick pads just like Dusty's boots. I had a vest that was, yeah, you see it up there.

Yeah, I was in full polka dot. Dusty hated the dots. So that was, that was, that was a, not his idea. If you will look back at his pre-WW career, he never wore dots. I was just going to say, it seemed very like the, yeah, the juxtaposition's weird. It was a WWE, like, let's create, it's a Vincent McMahon. Let's give some personality type thing. And he hated the dots.

So that was my way of kind of taking. a shot at Cody. I love this. A little troll action. Also a little tribute action. And yeah, you know, it ended up really kind of as you want your matches to be. It really ramped up pretty strongly towards the end. And once people got over, I think, seeing how he was, you had a lot of, like I said,

you had a lot of interesting stories here. Cody's two and oh, I'm trying to get this win. You know, he can't take it easy because he's going. got the peck injury so he's got to go ball to the wall he knows this is probably going to be his last match for a while uh so he's sending it just through the roof giving it everything he's got i'm trying to take advantage of the peck you know you've got the cowbell from dusty you've got the triple-h sledgehammer you've got all these little elements of our mentors and kind of how our stories have come and gone and intertwined with each other over the years and then you've got this

just this spectacle it is, this big red cage, this guy with this black and blue pack, two of the elite performers in our industry, and what you have is a classic, classic match, I feel. It was awesome. I mean, it was, like you said, peppering in all the homages, but blending it with your guys' feud,

it was just like, the story you guys were telling was incredible. Thank you. I appreciate that. I thought it came off pretty well. Now, get away with the fire code of locking you guys in an arena of 33,000 people. What do you mean? Rockford FD. We've got

to get you guys on the phone. Fire marshal comes and shuts it down. Fire code, bro. That can't be legal. You're locked into a cage? Fucking bull. It just comes up. Somebody just presses a button and it just rises. Oh, I saw the guy lock it. He locked you. How much

are you checking in with Cody with his injury during this whole match? Are you or is it like, hey, you're here? We're going for it? Or you're, like, keeping tabs on them? If there was something that seemed off, I might have asked, you know. But honestly, it's one of those things where everything looked to me to be as safe as it possibly could be. Didn't earn any more. There was nothing.

Yeah, there was nothing where he, like, landed weirdly or, you know, I wrenched it strange. Everything that I did with him was pretty slow. And so there was nothing that, obviously, he knew where the pain was going to be. And if he felt like we've gone too far or something wasn't going to work, it was totally within his right to say, hey, let's not do that or stop that, whatever you're doing. He never did. And so I felt like we were on the same page as far as where we were at. And, you know, I knew he was going to be in pain.

He knew he was going to be in pain. And it was just a matter of what can we put together that it's going to work and still create that feeling of ick, as you put it, that's really going to take this thing. Because, I mean, you can't, you have to lean into that. Yeah. If you have the ick factor, you don't have, you don't have, you can't manufacture this set of circumstances.

That's the beautiful thing about our business is like, we can try to manufacture kind of great stories and sometimes it all works. But then there are things like this that you just, you cannot plan for and you have to adapt. But those real life adaptations, like I said, that gray area that you look for, where you're like, I don't really know. When you find that, that's the magic. And that's why this match is special.

This is very captive. It's because we have that. We have it. Like, you were drawn to it. You can't look away. You can't. I mean, in case and point, the final sequence of those crossroads after crossroads after, like, crazy, man.

You get dizzy? Your equilibrium in these. I think about that all the time. Like, I've known a couple times where I've got spun around it on a football field. You get dinged up. You don't know where you're at sometimes. Yeah. And that's like everything in this, I think.

You have to know where you're at. Yeah, I mean, it is, ring positioning is quite important. When I, when I would land, I'm like, where are my feet and head? And then the cage, you've got to make it more disorienting. The red cage, especially, is really disorienting. I found. I prefer that we, I think we've now since gone back to the regular, like, steel gray cage.

The red cages was a terrible idea. It's like hitting a baseball. It's like you're in hell. I've got to have the, you know, the flat spot. If they're doing aerials and shit, you fucking. can see red. It's no good. It's no fun.

It's true. And just to put a bow on this thing, Cody Rhodes got the win. He did. And went 3 and O in that trilogy back at the time. But as we talked about, I know, Raw, just a couple nights later, Seth came back in there and brought that sledgehammer back out and brought the ruckus, baby. But Cody, of course, would miss seven months after this pretty much with the surgery, I believe. Like, that's impressive that he's doing that move right there.

Stretching? Yeah. Yeah. yeah yeah that's impressive into the match you can't like crazy what was your favorite part of this match favorite part of the match moment uh even though it didn't work out too well for me probably the bull rope yeah it was cool i think i never had a ballrobe match i've never been strapped to one like that before and you know as someone who's been a fan of dusty and had a connection with him to be strapped to his son

with the bull rope in this kind of main event moment in this as I was putting the bull rope on and locking it in I felt like it was a special thing that was happening you know nostalgia

yeah yeah there was nostalgia but it was the newness it was a I don't know there was something that felt tip a cap to the boys love that something that felt special in that moment so that's probably my favorite part of it

and like I said it worked in the story you guys were telling it in the match and it just it fit perfectly Yeah, I think, you know, especially with me trolling with throwing him with Dusty, he ended up getting it back on me with Dusty's own thing. And so that was kind of a nice little, nice little piece of it, I felt. With the aftermath, what's the, what's the legacy of this trilogy? Well, honestly, the legacy of this trilogy, I think without it, you don't, Cody Rose is not who he is. And I'm fine. I think at this point, I've been a, I never left WWE. I've been here. I've been the flag bear. I help take the thing to the next level. But I think there was a lot of uncertainty about, well, if Cody comes back, is he just

going to be the same old Cody Rhodes? Is he going to be dashing Cody Rhodes? Is he going to be the guy that falls into the stardust trap? Is he going to be, what is the American nightmare? Is it this guy that can take the mantle from John Cena and run? Or is it just going to be another flash in the pan and he's done? But I think these three matches and this performance especially really cemented him as the guy who could be the next guy. And I think the audience immediately believed in him from this moment. And he was their guy. And you saw he was able to go on an incredible two-year run after he comes back, still running really. But he, he, this catapulted him to the next level. And I think just solidified what I had already done and who I was.

for this company and for the industry. What a team player. Amen. That's what you mean. It's team sport. That's what you want to do that quarterback. And just like when you bring in what you said earlier that, you know, we're like performers. What you said artistic or like acting performers?

Yeah, yeah. Which I've done a couple acting lessons and they always say the best acting is when there's like a relationship and you're listening and you're pulling from each other. You know, you need that relationship because it is a performance. Yep. And the heel, like you said earlier, if you can make the baby face the baby face, I mean, after this trilogy, he goes on and becomes pretty much, you know, W.W.E. Babyface. That's a fucking team player.

Yeah, I mean, that's it. You need a dance partner, you know, and everybody's got different chemistry with different dance partners. And he and I have always had great chemistry. You know, we did it again just recently. ground jewel and it was as fantastic as ever and so um but yeah i mean it's at the end of the day you have to understand what's the objective what are we trying to get done here what does the best business how do we do that you can be selfish all you want but at the end of the day it is a team

sport and you know when you want to raise all the ships not just your own you know and sometimes raising your own helps but if you can raise everybody else's at the same time uh that's the game that's what you want to do if the team wins we all win. That's right. That's what people don't realize. That's my quarterback. That's right. You win a Super Bowl. Everyone gets paid. That's right. Even the guy that, you know, 53 on that team, he getting paid. You getting paid. That's facts. Let's coding. Let's name and grade this game of our match. But no, we mentioned the Crown Jewel, 2025. And then in 2024, you guys showed that chemistry off and teamed up together at WrestleMania 40. Right.

That's right. That was pretty darn cool, man. teamed up lost we got cheated got cheated yeah this match was match of the year and this was a lot of people who felt really really strongly at 2022 this was the one like I said wrestling super subjective so you know you can look at it but this one probably stands the test of time more than anything I would say amen that was that was awesome love seeing you guys get back in the ring in in Australia too let's name let's name the match and score the match is this the greatest match of all time oh Decimal's encouraged.

We came up with these names, and if you have a name for it, you can call it in there. We'll put it up in there. But we came up with the hell in the south. Okay. Yeah, the final chapter. Third time is not the charm. All right. The torn peck match.

Okay. See at the Crossroads match. See you at the Crossroads. Chat out of bonhugs. There's a little bonnog. And I want to miss everybody. Yeah, that's, I like that. I miss my own of the child.

That's the one. That's one lyric, everyone knows. I think L.S.L.S. too obvious. We can get rid of that. It wasn't the final chapter. It wasn't the final chapter. I think, you know, see at the crossroads.

Yeah, I think, you know what? I think it's simple, but I think I like the torn peck match. The torn peck. Well, everyone knows it by the torn peck match. Yeah, I think that's the one. That's the most, the biggest identifier. And I don't know how many, like, I don't know how many torn peck matches you're going to get. You know what I mean?

like I don't know how many out there's a lot of hell in the cells so yeah a lot of hell in the cells third time not the charm Ray Lillers tore that bicep came back for the playoff I'm just saying How the fuck do you do it? How did he do it? Was that the the deer The deer? It's a friend of the show It's a friend of the show

The antler, deer antler pee or I don't know what it was What I was. Stakes of this match Zero to 10 decimals encouraged Seth Oh, steaks? Stakes. I'd say 10. 10. I mean, the stakes were at their highest here because we're talking life and death. We're talking, I mean, we're talking, everything could go wrong here.

This is not a walk in the park. This was not like a, ah, if we don't do well here, it's fine. You know, you have everything was riding on this match. This is, I mean, if this goes poorly, I'm telling you, WrestleMania 40 doesn't happen. WrestleMania 49 doesn't happen None of it happens

If this doesn't go Just right And get us exactly Where we need to be The last three years The business is a wash That butterfly effect is crazy You know

After learning It has changed my score Because I mean This is coming out of COVID COVID kind of screwed A lot of stuff up And then you guys had to Springboard it back

I'm gonna go with a 8.2 At a 7.2 I had a 7.9 one in the same way. I had a 4.1. 4.1. What is wrong? I take it from a perspective of not in the K-Fabe world from the outside world. So just I can't score the stakes because it is, you know, crafted and written and something like that.

What? Yeah, so that's where I'm at. So because we have a plan for the performance, there's no stakes. well that's why you got four you got 4.1 if it was no stakes it'd be zero now that's the worst argument you've ever made in your life oh no no I gave it a four but because you guys write it out that means there's no stakes the funny part is is Becky lit me up for this too because I also had a low score and stakes and so you're because because this is you're just biased against he's a hockey guy he's a hockey

no no because my when we get forward my star power is very high my game plays pretty high. Like, I respect the craft of it. I think it's incredible, like, what you guys do in that blend of between. I'm offended by the fact that you think because we write, because the show is predetermined that there's no stakes involved. Or sorry, low stakes. I'm pretty offended by that. I'm sorry.

There's wild stakes at play in what we do. It's, we're talking, we're talking livelihoods of human beings. It's not just me and Cody making money. It's an entire roster and it's an entire crew and it's a,

business that we're feeding families. Families. There are children who are better fed because of this match now. Like, not just like two, like not Cody and my kids. I'm talking about like crew. I'm talking about wrestlers and their kids. Everybody

made more money because this was successful. There's a lot of stakes writing on this. I'm offended by the fact that not just my match. I'm talking about all matches that have, that are at the utmost level. There's a lot that goes into play to try to make sure that this business stays afloat

and that there's money to be made all around. So that's my rant. Do we have a sledgehammer under the couch brand chance? I won't be able to use it. No. Let's see if Kyler can boost his little score up on the next one. Star power, zero to ten. Star power. I'm going to go with like an eight and a half on this.

Eight and a half, eight five? Eight and a half on this, yeah. Like, you guys were at this time the two bigs of the league. So sort of. but we're on the come up a little bit. We're like right below the tip, tip, top. You know what I'm saying? Like, I'm there, but again, I'm not going into WrestleMania in the main event this year.

That was Roman Raines and Barack Lesnar, right? So I'm not that guy. I'm not the 10 just yet. Cody's coming back. We're building him from WrestleMania. We're building him at backlash, and now we're here. And so I think we're almost there, but we're not quite at the, like, elite, elite level of a superstar. The boys are ascending.

They're ascending. I'll go 8, 7 for a great. gronk. Nice. Nice. At 8.3, so we're all on the same ballpark. Yeah. We're in a same boat. There we go. The gameplay or the match play, a lot of, a lot of fucking tools. This was epic. A lot of weapons. The gameplay of the match. Bull rope. Gutsy. What is that entail? What is gameplay

entail? So do you watch the Super Bowl, the Patriots versus the Falcons? That's a great gameplay, right? It's an entertaining product. It's back and forth. It's, you know, anything could happen. Kind of like, so it's like great play happening. It's great to watch as a fan. Like it's entertaining all the way through. It comes down to the last second. So it's like kind of like the actual product on the field or on the, in the ring.

Okay. That makes sense. I could see that. So from a gameplay standpoint, I'm going to go with like a, I say like a nine on this one. Yeah, we're on a nine. Gameplay for me, I haven't seen the, I haven't seen the bull rope. The bull rope is fun. Since guys were having the lute, lay stuff.

boots. I got to go with 8.9. Nice. And I was terrified of the guy. That's back when you can still Rips 6 in the arena's man. That's when they were doing the bull rope. That is 7-1 little low for me, but I guess I'll stick with it. As M. 6. No, that's fine. That's fine. I understand it. It's not for everybody.

I love this match. I don't know why I did that. It's a slow, it's a slow-paced match. It's a slow-paced match. You're not going to get a lot of the action, but you get like this element of drama and this fear that doesn't always exist in pro wrestling because of the predetermined nature of it. And so you get the

there's an element of reality that exists throughout this match where you feel how he's feeling more so than I think some of the staged combat that was in other matches. That's why I gave it a high score. No, I love that. The drama of the match.

Kind of limits the actual action. Yeah, right. But it's also, like the drama. It's more impressive that they're even doing anything with this guy. 100%. Yeah, yeah. I've got nothing. I'm like, I'm Winston the whole match. See, that's something that we don't generally score

is the like drama leading up to it. And maybe that's a place where my stakes score might be a little bit low because I'm coming from a sport, like a two teams, no determined outcome kind of thing. So I'm taking into drama in stakes,

but there is drama in this thing. You got Seth, freaking Rollins in your head right now? Maybe you know, Seth freaking Rollins in your head right now, dog. Like I said, he's biased against professional. Seth freaking rollins in his head. Rent, for you, baby. So lastly,

we name or we grade the name of the game. This is the torn peck match culturally. How will people remember this? Like, we're grading that. They were grading just the name itself? The name. Like cultural impact, like where it's place in the historical context.

So if you said the torn peck match, people will remember this. People will know this match. Well, I think, yeah, I think if you say, because if you're like, Cody and Seth, the match, you know, the one with the torn peck

where he's got the torn peck. Immediately you immediately go. Oh, yeah, yeah. know exactly where it is. So that's a good name. But it's still like it's not the sexiest name in the world. So I'm probably only going to give it like a seven.

It's not quite rumbled in the jungle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It doesn't have that. It doesn't have that same. I think it's like an eight too. Oh, nice. You know exactly. Just because I think you know exactly what,

like you do remember the immaculate reception. Wow, I went six, seven. I didn't even realize it. 40 years ago. Yeah. Maccular reception, you're going to know that. You're going to know this in 20 years because no matter.

what you say, you will always remember that fucking peck. That is singed. That image is singed in my brain. Yeah, you will always remember that. He changed it. He modified it from it. I did modify it. Yeah, you went up. Yeah, I did. I like the torn peck. I went 5'1. It's hard to gauge the cultural

impact because this match just happened a few years ago. So maybe if we were to come back to this game in a decade or this match in a decade, that number probably goes up because it's hard to tell when you're in like an art movement when you're in it. You can't really appreciate it while it's happening. You have to look back. I can accept that.

What do we got on a score? So the final score is 7.71. Where is it on the mat? That's going to put us. Oh, wow. That's going to put us. It's tied for a new 60-second match or game all time. The Tuna Bowl.

Jets versus Patriots 1997. That was Bill versus... And it's just below Super Bowl 21 Giants versus Broncos. Super Bowl? Yeah. and then just ahead of Super Bowl 17 Cowboys v. Bills. Wow. What's number one on this list?

It's a little bias. There's no bias. There's a little bias. There's no bias. None. No bias at the top of this list at all. Zero. To be fair,

we are overexposed to Patriots coming on the show. That's amazing. And Jack's a Super Homer. If you saw my scores, you won. Becky, two belts is 27th. Oh, nice. Shout out. Becky two belts that's great that was an all-timer

good for her that Sean and Brett up there wrestling at 12 that's cool what are some other matches we did uh we got oh the Ironman match yeah Michael's Fredhart rock versus mankind yep Dolphsig of Luke Harper that was that's back there 106 awesome match got Charlotte players in there as well yeah Charlotte was great yep is there a match wrestler combination that you'd like to see us do gosh. A match wrestler combination. I mean, I think the most important match that we've had recently with the most story and the most build that could probably push this less strong is the

WrestleMania 40 night two main event with Roman and Cody and the kind of the death of the bloodline and all the things that went into that whole story and then getting to that point where Roman finally loses the title. I mean, that's, that's a, that's a watershed moment in our, I'd say, our industry. I'm trying to think there's anything else. What did, what did Rick did, what did Rick did, a steamboat? He did, he and Ricky steamboat, Chicago, the Windy City, um. Winnie City Classic.

Yeah. Windy City Classic. Where was that? It was his favorite match because of the technical, of Inis about it. That was a Shaitown Rumble. I'm sorry about that. The Shaiton Rubble. Yeah.

From 89. Nice. It was like an hour. Ricky the Dragon Steamboat. It was like an hour or something. They were in there getting after it, man. I always thought, that's one of those guys. His name, real name is Ricky Blood.

Like, go with Ricky Blood. I like that Bell and Steamboat. That's so much cooler to me. I love, really. Yeah, real names cooler than you're in ring name. That was a time when like, Asian action figures were huge. Yeah. Because like all the blood sports.

That's true. You know, back in the day. Gosh, yeah, I think that. You remember, you know what I'm talking about. Oh, of course. Yeah, dude. That era. like the Van Dam era

Yeah they were all the big bad Asian heels But they were all like They were all Tom Po and Tom Lee Oh dude Fucking kicking the Yeah man

Those guys were sick Those guys were dope man That was And that's another guy That Rick talked about The incredible chemistry They had together And working together

Yeah And really And there was a lot of good build up to that He said As individuals and pros Were They connected with him

He always loved Steamboat he said Really craft heavy match Yeah You appreciate it I don't want to hold you any longer But like how much Are the legends like coming around

When you guys are Like do you come in contact with them Oh they're around enough Yeah I mean They're not like strangers or anything like that I'd say like anytime we go to There's always somebody nearby That pops through

Especially WrestleMania time When the Hall of Fame You know is going on There we see you know Legends are always coming through that week Stuff like that A lot of them are on like the Convention circuits and stuff like

that and so they're doing signings or appearances or they've got you know we've got a lot of their kids or nephews or whatever nieces who are on on the roster and stuff so they're all around and stuff so yeah I mean they're around it's it's very cool to uh to kind of be in that space it's you know I'll be honest with you I've gotten I've gotten spoiled I've just been around them for decades now that I'm just you know it's like oh you know like Sean Michaels just got both of his knees replaced the same week I was doing my shoulder surgery so Sean down there in the rehab and I'm just like there's me next to Sean Michaels you know what I mean but it's like he's my peer now so it's like it's just a weird thing where like I've become

I've become like one of them you know like I work with Triple H every single week you know like I've been on Stone Colds uh podcast and like had beers with Steve and but I've also just like called Steve for like advice so it's like you know I've got these guys who I grew up idolizing they're now like colleagues and peers and I'm just I'm really really spoiled honestly i'm just spoiled that i get to live that part of my dream in a way that you know some people don't that's one thousand percent that it's it's a crazy thing to realize sometimes yeah i i won't ever i don't think i don't think you know for me you know my wife is like you got to understand for kids growing up now you we're talking to you and meeting you it's like

is when you were a kid if you could meet john michael you don't understand that but that's what it's like and i'm like you're right i don't understand that i will never understand that that to me is like my brain i had one one person tell me you know i cashed my money in the bank contractor russomani in 2015 to say like six years later or something sometime and the last five years somebody told me for them that was their hogan slamming andre moment wow like and i was like that's crazy that will never make sense to me like that i cannot feel like i i still just feel like i'm a kid they grew up in a small town in Iowa. So I don't feel that.

It's probably going to be even bigger than them because of the information era now than these kids and you guys are cut up on social. So like people are like kids will see you from other countries that they'll see a 15 second clip of you and like it's I think wrestling is just so much bigger now. Well, it's massively global. You know what I mean?

Yeah, I mean, dude, there's like it's like, so like even with like football, like people are so. bias to like the recent eras and it's because the recent eras are fed to the machine in the system more

the algorithms the algorithms you know what I mean the old ones are barely even on yeah so like this generation of stars is huge is going to continue to go and will be the lasting generation that's fair

that's you bro it's crazy to think it is wacky dudes said did we miss any thing from this match gosh i don't think so man i think we covered it pretty good covered cody covered me covered dusty covered some of the little easter eggs in there bunch of good easter eggs story lead up macho man i was i got a little macho man a little visionary talk in there yeah we got i mean we covered a lot of it i think is there anything else you guys wanted to know before we dip yeah last thing i

want to ask yeah we always ask our guess what is wrestling to you oh man wrestling in my life it's it's given me everything the good that I have be honest with you you know I met my wife there yeah we have our daughter I mean all all the ability that I have to have a wrestling school stems from being a wrestling fan and being successful in the industry most of my closest friends who I've met in the last 20 years are through professional wrestling um I've been able to travel the world and inspire people who don't speak my language who don't look like me you know, from Saudi Arabia to Kuala Lumpur to Santiago, Chile, to Anchorage, Alaska, every state in the country.

So I've been able to travel the world, see all these different things, experience all these different things. I'm able to, you know, support my family, my extended relatives. I'm able to, you know, drop something at the drop of a dime to be if someone needs me somewhere because of wrestling. So anything that I have that's good, this business is given to me. And so I owe it everything. It owes me nothing. And I will do everything in my power as a grown man to make sure that the next generation of the business has it better than I had it. And I had it pretty good.

So that's how I feel, long-winded answer. But I love the business. It's done everything I have ever dreamed of. and more. Man, you're such a thoughtful dude. Oh, thanks. Like, just, every answer you've had

has been so just insanely inspiring. And wrestling's lucky to have guys like you. And if wrestling gets guys like you, wrestling will always be wrestling. Thank you for coming on, my dude. Dude, thanks for having me. This is great. Everyone's got to go check out

WrestleMania in Vegas, April, 26. We're back. We're back. two years in a row in Vegas. Hopefully I'll be available. Oh, he'll be back. Let's go. He'll be back. Let's go. He'll be back.

Let's go. Anything else you want to plug? Anything else you want to plug? No, man. I mean, look, I got my wrestling school, but that thing runs itself. Black and Blamevresling.com. If you want to check that out or the Instagram, got coffee shops, got a couple in a big coffee guy. Big coffee guy. I got a couple in Iowa, 392 cafe.

Me and my wife just recently invested in a coffee company out here in L.A. called Dayglow. Oh, one just moved to my neighborhood. It's so good. Dennis? No, Larchmont. Not, yes, yes.

Best coffee in Los Angeles, hands down. It's so good. Hands down. They got four of them around here. Where are we getting our beans from? Dayglow roast their own, dude. Yeah, they have their own roasts. We've got to bring them in from somewhere, don't we?

They get them from all over the place, dude. Yeah, I mean, but they're Colombia. Ethiopia. Any of the coffee belt countries, I mean, they do it all. Ethiopian has some really good coffee. Is it? Ethiopia is some of my favorite beans. You're always very fruity and bright.

Thank you. Super Cup school, me in the coffee. Oh, yeah. Ethiopia, Honduras. I mean, the list goes on and on. There's a whole coffee belt. You can check it out. But, yeah, yeah, Daylow Rocks.

So if you're into that, you can check it out. I think it's dayglow.comfy. Or, like, drink your Daygo coffee on Instagram. I'm not sure. But, yeah, I think those are my big things, man. Check out my wife. She's still on the show every Monday on Netflix. Best to ever do it.

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The Alabama Murders on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Man. So cool. Insightful cat. Very insightful. Very, very gratitude guy. I like that.

He's a foxhole guy. That's the guy you want your locker with you. Yeah. Hey, team player. Team player. Yeah. Man, he's just, he's got like a good energy where like it's a healthy, like I'm confident in my life.

I like great, great dad. dad, great husband, great worker. No, Peter Griffin, but he's a family guy. I love that. Tyler, I think we, I'm sorry, Kyle, guy. I think we should get in the chill zone real quick before. Hold on. I mean, I didn't, you would think. You might come back and beat you up, Kyle, right.

You would think you would appreciate the role of heel. Is that you, you're the heel? Are you the heel? Is that what you call that? I'm the head for scoring. Was that what shaking in your boots is called healing? All right. Your scores get influenced way more than mine do.

Your scores are only. only ever point five above or below what they said. Who's Cody Rhodes? Fucking the baby faces of the WWE right now, dude. I mean, Jesus Christ. We just talked about it. Even still, he's still struggling. What are we talking about, bro?

Seth freaking Rollins. Hey, he's ride or die for wrestling, though. He's a ride or die, baby. He ride or die. He put you on notice. For wrestling, it is, it is artistic theater, right? That's highly athletic and highly skilled. However, the stakes, the outcome of the match,

which we can only ever look at the outcome of the match, is predetermined. I love the craft of wrestling. I think it's great how they can blend athleticism. Well, it's time to start the chill zone. But the stakes aren't high. Which is brought to you by Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door.

Visit Coorslites.com slash GwN and always celebrate responsibly. Perfect for moments like this when you can just choose chill. It's always the right choice. You need to choose chill, Kyle. You need to choose chill, Kyler. You need to choose it.

What are we doing today's Jack? You choose chill. Sorry, I was just sipping my cold. Man, they're freezing. A little bit of that. I feel like I'm in the Rockies because it's kind of warm right now. This is hitting today, bro. This isn't extra hard.

Kind of warm. Nothing cools you down like a silver bullet, baby. Nothing like it. Come on now. Come on. Like Tyler. Nothing tools you down like a set Carlins like some Colorado Culee.

Yeah. Cut that silver bullet talk. Come on now. Yeah. Today. What do you, would you say? You said something over there.

What? You had that shit eating grin. What do you talk about? Colorado Culey. We got to go crack a couple more of these out back after this. Oh, oh, hey now. Today, we're going to pull back the curtain a little bit. We love pulling back the curtain on life inside the NFL.

All the aspects of it. Not just the on the field stuff. Jules. Today I want to go over. nutrition and food in the NFL, particularly from your standpoint and then just as a as a whole. First off, what is, what's an average day in season look like from a grub perspective for you? Well, I can only speak with, I can only speak on how it was at the Patriots. Yep. And it evolved. For sure. You know, like, when I first got there, there was dietitian,

and then we got another one. We got Ted. Shout out, Ted. Who, uh, he took it pretty seriously. um we'd have food stations we had like fruit bars and everything was labeled either it was gold or silver gold platinum oh or bronze oh on like the health benefits and so like if you go to like the the fruit station you'd have like you know the raspberries blueberries pineapple and then you'd have the labels of what they were according to whatever study Head was going through that, you know, whatever it was. Yeah. You know, this is good for your blood, you know, so we'd have that all categorized out. That sticker. You know, they'd do that in France. I don't know that.

It's like it's part of their like nutrition. Yeah. It's actually awesome. Yeah. So you'd always have the fruit station was always available. Nice. You'd walk in on the left, fruit station always available. Salad bar station, which same thing.

And then, you know, three times a day, morning you get there. there'd be breakfast hot, hot bar, you'd have your, your eggs, your protein, chicken sausage, pork sausage, bacon, turkey bacon. There'd be like a starch, a hash brown of some sort. Then you had live action station. Oh, I like this. You know, so, you know, during lunch, that's, that hot station would be a theme for the day. And then, you know, if Chung was around, we'd have, you know, Jamaican week and we'd have the jerk chicken. and it would always be a beef, chicken, fish. There'd be two vegetables.

Once again, everything having your grade system. So on that hot meat, say it was a beef, it would be like maybe, you know, for that day, it could have been like a silver or maybe a gold, but then there's like the fish or something that's like a platinum. It was real good. Whatever the grading scale was. It's that oil you need. And then you'd have, so then I think we have our gratings, so you have fruit, vegetables, hot station, then you have live station.

Then you'd have like, sometimes are the live station favorite was the bison meat, the bison meat, what is it? The crunch raps. Bison meat, crunch raps, supremes. They would make the crunch raps right there with, with bryntrapes. Bison, ground bison. So they get the little, like, Tostata thing. They put the bison in, the bean, and, like, guys loved that. They'd make them fresh off.

Oh, that sounds like heaven. So you'd have, like, four or five things at the live station. And then you also had smoothie bar and snack station. Snack station would be all, like, the healthy snacks. And so each year, you, so the food, you had great food. We had, you know, I thought we had pretty good food. Anytime you're in cafeteria, stuff gets repetitive. For sure.

But the quality of the food was really good. We also had like a kombucha station by the time I left. Nice. Good for gut health. Gut health. Nice. They had huge smoothie station, which I believe I'm a huge. I feel like I was one of the pioneers of that.

Smoothie time. Making us smoothies. Newthirty time. Then we got smoothie station. But I would always make my own smoothie. They had smoothie makers or smoothie ladies. But I always had to get back there and do my, I was, you know, I had. What kind of like, what are you putting in?

Show him how the pro does it. For my smoothie, I would go I would go with like a I like the plant protein and then I would use the collagen so you got still the collagen. It's good for our skin. Nice and tight. But that comes from cow.

I would go greens like spinach because I'd take spinach from the spinach station. I was big with a lot of blueberries, banana. And then I would put in almond butter, almond milk. And then I would put it like the turmeric

and then they had a couple other a couple other things Cacao nibs maca functional mushrooms I was tipping on a smoothie all episode if you uh

I was a bit smoothie guy I would because you know and I would I would immediately put a smoothie in my body when I first got to work and then I'd go do like my I would get there like 530 515 so like the food stations get popping around

six. So I'd hit that and then I'd go do my routine and then I would come back and I would nibble on some eggs. I get like two over over medium eggs or maybe an omel. Just to get some hot food because I wanted hot food. You know what I mean? You still want hot food. I like to nibble. And then after that you got like hours of meetings and then you come back and you come back in the cafeteria and then it's the lunch section and you go through and I was always like I'd probably You nibble on another smoothie and then nibble on some protein that they'd have. And then I would go practice and you come back and I'd have another smoothie and then nibble on what it. I would nibble.

I wouldn't eat a lot of it because I'd go home and I had a chef that would cook according to, you know, my blood type. F, F. I was I was just going to ask how that was it at dinner. It's a lot of times. I didn't have a chef back in the day. You go, you know, and I think they even do that with the team now where they would pull your blood. Yeah. And they'd send it in, analyze it to see what your body's and taper everyone's diet

different according to their blood. Like, I couldn't have mustard seed out. That was like an inflammation factor. My body, I don't know whatever reason. I ate alligator a bunch because it's got the omegas of, and it tastes like chicken. Like a pork. Or is it a crockdile. It's like a fish and chicken put together.

You get like there's more protein than fish. but it has the omegas that fish have. So there's like a lot of like good benefits to it. You were eating gator a lot? It was eating, yeah, Gator. Wow, I didn't know that. You know what my blood type is? I don't know what my blood type is.

I do. It's written down, but I don't, I'm not one of the people that like, hey, I'm 22D deficient. Oh, yeah. No, I feel you. Mine's B negative. That's a heck of a popsicles stick joke right there. That's a heck of a popsicle stick joke. That's a heck of a positive.

It's actually O negative, universal donor. Oh, man. I was going to say, B negative. That's just that stamp. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That was good. Did I just explain anything?

No, no, no. That's great. So how did that evolve? Like, I'm sure you weren't like personal chef when you started in the league. No, but I, you know, because I got sick of taking the food home from the stadium. So most guys taking food home. You can. Yeah.

Because after night meetings are done, they'd have dinner, you know, because a lot of guys do that. When I was young, I would eat all my meals at the stadium. The Robbie G. Special. We were in Foxborough. So, like, there wasn't a lot of stuff. There's a Dunkin' Donuts. And you weren't going to cook. So a lot of your food intake for a lot of the players is from that.

I mean, Gronk to the day left would grocery shop there. I still suspect he stops by every now and then. He still does. That's why he lives there. His house looks like a facility. Like, when you go to his fridge, it looks like what the facility looks like. You got your Gatorade section, your protein section, your water section, your shot section. there's like protein

like the refrigerated protein section protein bars now outside of meals like the catered meals that they have where they're like snacky to go grab you

jerkeys any kind of plant protein bar regular protein bar they had a huge section of snackables a lot of nuts certain nuts

we had nut stations trail mix stations love that you know that it it was the big I mean I thought it was I didn't come from anything great

I went to Kent State and you know so like I was fascinated with it now how much like Tom Brady's diet is well known and it's out there how much were they catering towards him or is he just doing his own thing

he would make they would make him an individual meal like later on in my career I'd have an individual meal if I was doing what Tom was doing pretty much you know what I mean like trying to eat healthy

if Tom was doing it I would fucking try to do the same WDBD, baby, what I'm ready to do? Yeah, I was like, hey, just made me want to put, throw a little more meat in there. Yeah. Yeah, I like that. What did, uh, we've mentioned it on the show before, but it feels apropos in this section. And you tell the people about Fat Friday.

Oh, Fat Friday. Yeah, so, pizza Friday, every Friday, it's a shortened day. There's no, there's no night meeting. So it's not really short in the morning, the same morning. Right. But there's no after post meetings. And it is a little. I don't think it is as long.

You get out at a round two. And we'd always have bets on when we'd get out and stuff like, because it was, we'd always go over, would never be at when we're supposed to get out. And so, each week would be a different catered, outsourced place. Love that. You know, so they'd bring in Chick-fil-A.

They'd bring in, you know, Davios, everyone, you know, the Patriot play stuff was huge. Ruby Tuesdays or Guy Guy Fietti has a restaurant in Patriot plate Probably had Guy Fieti's thing Didn't they'd be in five guys There'd always be suit There'd always be a sushi like station

So they'd bring in the sushi I think from a fish bar Or whatever it's up there Nice And then there would be like We used to have to go They used to send people like to like New Hampshire Before they had chick flay in the area You know what I mean?

Like we get chicken spots Because you know a lot of guys we'd have a lot of guys like chicken When the Popeye sandwich was putting people in the chokehold And sometimes there'd be pizza I liked honestly I liked five guys' day It's the best bro

Because in low key The five guys Hot dog slacks Don't sleep on it The one they cut it down the middle Yes And they pay them fry Oh my god bro

And like so like Goaded Now are all these options available most Fridays Or it's like this Friday is Chick-fil-A It'd be like chick-fil-a and something There'd be a couple things I'm pretty sure sushi was always brought in That's nice

You get sushi What else were hits I remember when they bring chick flay And guys would just go crazy Guys love chick flet Everyone loves chick flay is like a great after sport Kid like little girls and stuff With Lily and stuff like chick flay

Yeah You know what I mean We get chick flayed today It's the best man That's what, too. It doesn't mess. What else? I forget some of the good stuff

because the white bean, chicken chili there used to slap. I've heard legends. I've heard tales. What about, would you ever do a cheat day during the week in a season? I wouldn't do a, I wouldn't do a cheat day. But I would, I would nibble on, like, if we had, we'd have donuts on Saturdays. Yeah. We'd always get them from Keynes.

Canes donuts out in true, or it's north of Boston. We just drove, Saugus. And, uh, I love canes. And there'd always be a little knife there. And guys that were conscientious would you just take a little slice of a donut and you taste it. Just a little nibble, do you? A little nibble. I like that. You can, they're on gold, gold belly. You can get some canes here. I tried it. Didn't, didn't work well. Didn't it as well. Oh, man. No, they came all jacked up. I tried it. I love canes donuts. We got to get one of the coaching assistants to drive them out.

They got a good glazed donut. Love that. Is there anyone on the team that was like, I don't know. We've heard legend of Chad Ochosenko. Is there anyone that was notoriously, like, terrible with food? No, but I remember when I was young, Greg Lewis used to come in. He used to come in with a Dunkin sausage, egg, and cheese every day and a Dunkin' Cup of Coffee. And it wouldn't be... Every day, he'd have a sausage, egg and cheese croissant, I think, from Duncan.

It just would crack me up. Greg Lewis down there in Baltimore right now, Receivers coach. How many calories were you burning, like, daily? A lot. Especially early on in my years. Because I was on, like, I was on scout team. You're on special teams.

Very little rest time. How much are you, like, how many calories a day do you think you were eating? I don't know. It was all pretty calculated because you're, you're naturally counting every time you're putting something in. Yeah. By the, you know, when you start knowing. And then a lot of it is when you can eat. Okay.

You know, it's the timing. Like, after, like, a, practice you're you're pretty swamped your body's you know pretty inflamed because you're you're going so hard you you want to fuel it with the then you know it's win not what more win than what yeah did you have any like pregame either the day of or the night before like routine of like oh I always want to have more carbs or I want to have this or that you know I used to just I used get a lot we always we would always stay in a hotel and you'd always have a marinera meat sauce some sort of like chicken breast pasta white brown rice there'd be steak there'd be like a pasta

section where you could like hey can i get some chicken and some pesto and you know that in there shrimp in there like i would hit i would hit that sometimes because you can you can oh over up on, load up on some, some carbs a night before a game. But I always probably, I was always boring with it. I would just get like a few scoops of brown rice and I put the, I'd always judge the hotel by the meat sauce, put the meat sauce on, chicken breast, a couple, you know, some broccoli or whatever carrots we had. Or I'd hit that pasta station.

I love that like no matter the level of sport post or pregame hotel food is always the exact same. It's always the same. the same. Damn Elon basketball manager. We had the same exact thing. I still, every time we go on the road. Denver. I don't know what hotel we stayed there, but they had really good food. Really? And sometimes you stay in other

when you stay in other hotels in different areas, you get like the theme of that area sometimes. There'd be like one dish of the theme of that. If like, like, say, play in Atlanta, there'd be like a Georgia, there'd be like some peach pie. Oh, I like a local flavor. Desert bar section. Or, you know, you go to like

Denver had like, I think they had like some Southwest shit. but I remember their meat sauce being really good. That's tough. And then, you know, like, whenever you play in like a highly dense Italian area, you'd always have a really good Italian food. Nice.

Because Tom would always, and then the night before games, Tom would always buy the linemen, like the specialty restaurant of the area. Oh. And I would sneak in there and go grab some of that, too. You know, like, like if we were in, he'd always have some, like, really good Italian restaurants

from in Miami he loved this one Italian restaurant in Miami and the lineman would always get it and I'd go Grounds get some leftovers Leftover carbone with the boys I love that Or yeah or New York you know there'd always be like some good stuff Or Pete we had pizza in Chicago You'd always get like one of the trainers is from an area And they know the spot and so there'd always be like one little area

A room that had like a specialty you go get a nibble on That's so fire now one more thing before we wrap up. Game day. What's your game day nutrition look like? Same as the night before. Same as the night before. The same thing pretty much. Except they had a, they'd always have a chicken broccoli sauceless pasta. Okay. With like Pene. Yeah. And I would limit my sauce. I don't know why. I just, I'd get a bunch of that. And I'd have P.B and J's, because we'd always have pre-PB&Js made. you'd have those which I saw I went back recently

they're making homemade uncrustables with the healthy stuff wow where they're cutting them and shit evolution I love this they're making them at the facility wow instead of because they used to just give you little they make a PB&J and cut them

and then saran wrap them you can get halves of each you can get half with almond butter strawberry on wheat then there'd be a section of peanut butter with grape jelly on white you know there'd always be a different sections

you can mix it up. That's so good. There'd be a peanut butter banana. There's always peanut butter banana honey. That Elvis vibe. You know, if you didn't want a jelly. Like, look, it's pro athletes. They're thinking, baby.

They're thinking. For all those report cards and stuff, when some of these teams are getting, it makes me wonder, like, is it, we're, because some of our stuff was kind of bad and I was like, it's still pretty good. Yeah.

The only one I remember is the Cardinals made guys pay to take home stuff. No, do they? That's a couple years ago they did. I think they changed. No way. That's what I remember. One of those reports, yeah.

Were you ever eating during a game, like during halftime or anything? I remember... Mark Sanchez with a hot dog. No, I know. When we played Miami in September's, you burn a lot of calories. Yeah. It'd be hot. And so I remember I would yell at Ted, I need calories.

You'd bring me some kind of bar or something. I mean, we'd be no huddle and shit running. Yeah. It gets hot. And you're not in like mid-season form. Yeah. So I remember eating at half times. There'd always be...

At halftime, there'd always be pick. Pickles, P.B&Js, in the half of two, oranges. When it was cold. You guys who did cut up oranges too? Yeah. With someone's mom, hand them out. Yeah. And then when it was cold, there'd be chicken broth and hot cocoa.

Hot cocoa? There'd be some hot cocoa in there, too. Okay. I ain't mad at that. Hell yeah. That's awesome. I love when I love, anytime we're talking grub, I'm down. But there'd always be pickles.

I always just gnaw on a pickle. A little salt. Got a little gherkin. Give me that gherkin. Yeah. Well, if we missed any questions about nutrition and food for players. Yeah, we did. Drop him in the comments.

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