Games with Names - "Squish the Fish" with Gary Gulman | 1985 AFC Championship: Patriots vs. Dolphins

Episode Date: January 18, 2024

Gary Gulman is with us in studio! He's a Massachusetts native, Patriots die hard, and comedy legend. We’re looking at the pre-Brady high water mark for the New England football Patriots: the 1985 AFC Championship Game. Gary joins us on the couch (3:22). We take a look at what was going on in January of 1986 (13:30). We revisit these teams and dive into the game (45:25). We wrap this thing up with a score (1:40:30). Finally, we take some calls and deliberate on what we should name the studio (1:47:36).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Gary Goleman in studio. We're looking at the Squish the Fish game. The 1985 AFC Championship between New England Patriots and Miami Dolphins. The AFC championship between New England Patriots and Miami Dolphins. The AFC championship. Whoever would have believed in the early part of the season that the Patriots would be here. There's no way we're going to beat Miami. We were happy to make the playoffs. We had not won a game in Miami in 18 years.

That's my entire lifetime. There was a feeling of momentum and destiny, but I'm getting the chills. I'm getting the chills that you remember that. It was the Super Bowl for us. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names presented by WinBet. And on today's episode, we are talking the 1985 AFC Championship between the New England Patriots and those Miami Dolphins. With Gary Goldman.

Good episode. Patriots before Tom Brady talk. The reason New Englanders are so funny. Not just the eyes. Not just the eyes. Other reasons. It's because they're miserable. They're happily miserable, Kyler. They are happily miserable just like I am. I am one of you, other reasons. It's because they're miserable. They're happily miserable, Kyler.

They are happily miserable just like I am. I am one of you, New England. You are one of me. We are together in harmony. And that's what we like to call the transition to the next segment of what we're talking about in this episode. The transition of Gary Goldman from football to comedy guy played at bc flawless transition bc go eagles doug flutie bc a lot of awesome bc talk and then we wrap it up

with taking in some of the phone lines and finally narrowing it down to naming the studio. We'll come to a consensus. A consensus may be met. Is it met or are we doing a poll? We got a little bit of everything. All right, let's see, man. This is a fun episode. Hell yeah, let's get into it.

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But the scrappy road warriors from New England had other plans. This is the Squish the Fish Game. Welcome to Games of Names presented by Winbet. Today we have a very special guest, Gary Goleman in studio, a stand-up legend, actor, writer, avid hooper, played at Boston College, tight end, folks. Tight end, folks. Massachusetts native and born on third base is on max right now. His memoir, Misfits Growing Up Awkward in the 80s, is out also.

Check it out. Welcome to Games of the Names, Gary. Thanks for having me. I'm honored. I've been a fan of yours for for a long time i've been i've been we were talking about this earlier in awe of your transition from kent state university quarterback to a a renowned receiver and a legendary man because i'm i'm a peabody massachusetts guy so and a huge patriots fan from and i can't wait to get into this from the time I was six or seven years old. And the embarrassment of riches that you and your teammates brought to us

that New England fans, as you know, will never appreciate because they're so spoiled. But we grew up with just, we were happy to make the playoffs. And it wasn't considered a failure if we didn't blow out the opposing team in the in the super bowl yeah now you know we we had an unbelievable run yes but with what you just said there you you started out as a fan at six years old right and i came to boston in 2009 patriots had three super bowls on their belt yeah celtics just won a championship. The Bruins were fighting.

The Red Sox just did the whole crazy kitten caboodle thing in 2003. So the city was vibrant with sport. It was like sports. There's no fall, winter, spring. It's baseball season, football season, hockey season, or baseball season. Now in those tiers, when I got there, we were kind of, you know, we were flirting with the top of the city. Just because we were all so the top of the city just because we were

all so good and we had Tom Brady. Yes. In whatever year that was when you were six years old. 76. Where did the Patriots rank in that era? I think it was... They had to have been a four because it was a big Sox town, big Celtics town, and then the cult following of the Bruins is always the Bruins.

They were four, but because they were the only thing on on Sunday, if they sold out. I don't know if you ever knew about this, but if the Patriots didn't sell out, they would black out the game on television to sell tickets. That's where the NFL was at the time. So we would root because we couldn't afford to go to Foxborough and pay the parking and go to the game. So we would pray that the people with money would go to the games

so that we could watch it instead of listening to it. We would listen to it on the radio, which is not the same. And so in 1976, I think it was whenever I started watching football, all anybody wanted to talk about was how the year before we almost beat the Raiders, but we got robbed and and stabler had gotten away with something so that's what i grew up in and that we had we have to understand about boston fans is that for most of our lives other than the celtics we were living this thing where we were going to be heartbroken it was just a matter of how it was almost it was very similar to growing up jewish yeah not our history was that something horrible was going to happen just not sure when and what what it'll be the jewish worries folks yeah and that was the yeah that was the thing with the red socks and and the patriots that they would break your heart and you were you were taught at a very early

age don't go all in because they it's it's charlie brown trying to kick the football and then by the time you got there everybody was so used to winning that it became i don't know i hope you didn't listen to talk radio but the most miserable monday morning people even if the patriots would win they didn't win by enough and and they uh they had weaknesses that they were going to talk about for hours on monday man. And, and so I, I, at least over the years, I've been so grateful for what the teams have brought me, but I think a lot of the newcomers got spoiled. Oh, I mean, it's a, it's, it's, it's a different beast now in that.

I mean, that's title town. Yeah. And that's been built over 30 years and you've been a part of that town before it was title town. Yeah. I mean, you still had the Celtics that had the eight championships. Yeah. And we had Doug Flutie at Boston College who kept to the hearts.

And about the time we're going to talk about today, about the Miami Patriots game, but we rallied around that Boston College football team because they were winning in a way that the Red Sox and the Patriots hadn't done. They went out and won a national championship that year, right? No, they won the Cotton Bowl. The Cotton Bowl. They won the Cotton Bowl and the Mirots hadn't done. They went out and won a national championship that year, right? No, they won the Cotton Bowl. They won the Cotton Bowl and the Miracle Miami.

Yeah, Miracle Miami. And then so they were ranked third in the country, which was one of the highest rankings in my lifetime. I think when they had Matty Ice, I think they were ranked third at one point. Second. I was at that game. Oh, wow. Oh, really? Yeah, when Matt Ryan lost his Heisman. By the way, that's Kyler. ice i think they were ranked third at one point second second i was at that game oh wow oh really yeah when matt ryan lost his heisman by the way that's kyler he's part of her show and his

prominent beard earlier today yeah whenever virginia tech talk comes up i have to chime in so continue no i get it i get it i understand and so yeah that that was that was my history with the sports. And, yeah. So let's get into it. Today, we're looking at the Squish the Fish game, a 1985 AFC championship between the New England Patriots and the 70s Miami Dolphins. Dan Marino, Miami Dolphins.

I know. A team that only Miami Dolphins. I know. A team that only beat the 85 Bears that year. Yeah. Miami Dolphins. Yeah. So why did we pick this game, Gary? Well, I think I live in the past to a great extent. And if you see my book, you'll be confused,

but also sort of amazed by my memory of my childhood, like going back to my first day of kindergarten. I can remember the different lunch boxes that were used and the kids and things that were said. So the games as big as the 85, and I think it took place in January of 1986. I think it was the 85-86 season. So the Patriots had been promising every year. They had good players. And that's the thing that I think a lot of people miss out on if you have a winning team, is that you're in love with a team. But when you have a losing team over the years, you fall in love with certain players. And it's a very nice community and and I think the players appreciate that they're they're expected to do their

best and that they're there for a long time and you love them and so we were we were in love with guys who had been on that team there was one guy Julius Adams who had been on the team it felt like my entire life. And then Anthony Collins and Andre Tippett. Tippett, Jew. Yes. Convert. Yes. I wish he had gone all the way into the Hasidism

because I think that would be a great look on him. He is a black belt. And, man, did we love Tippett because if you don't have a whole team of superstars, you cling to these superstars like Andre Tippett who just was doing what he did on that team and steve nelson was a very special player who had been there his entire career so we just we just loved these guys and grogan and levy or who's the other quarterback

eason eason was the quarterback in this game and and i think he had been a heisman like finalist at i i think illinois but he was a wonderful player and very charismatic and gro he had been a Heisman-like finalist at, I think, Illinois. But he was a wonderful player and very charismatic. And Grogan had been with us his entire career, and we adored him. And he was very talented, but they could just never get over the hump, and they had bad breaks. And so when they were making this run, they beat the Raiders, which was like this redemption because the Raiders had broken our hearts, and we hated the Raiders like we hated the Yankees.

The Raiders were a good football team. They were amazing. Those John Madden Raiders. Yes, they were amazing. And it might have been a team with like Alzado and Matuszak, maybe. I'm not sure who the Raiders' personnel was that year, but I do remember that the the um the Miami Dolphins were were a rival sort of like the Yankees but also the Raiders were everybody was the Yankees

to us yeah because we we were constantly being upset by these teams and we had not won a game in Miami in 18 years that's that's my entire lifetime I had never seen them beat Miami because I was 15 when this whole thing happened. And the other thing, and I don't know if you felt this way because you were playing and probably distracted by other things, but it was like an extra holiday if the Patriots were competitive back then. Like everybody in the community would get so excited and there were parties. And so it was like a, it was like another Christmas that year, especially. And here's the other thing. We were kind of, we were kind of like, all right, our Superbowl was beating the Raiders. There's no way we're going to beat Miami. And then my word. And the, and the only thing with the squish the fish is that there are, uh, New Englanders who are still confused by the squish the fish is that there are uh new englanders who are still confused by the the dolphin not being a fish yeah it's a mammal technically it's a technically a mammal and i i think we could have a very interesting argument with a lot of older new englanders as to whether the squish the fish was was an accurate portrayals of the dolphin's taxonomy. I mean, you tell me a Charlie from Somerville.

Charlie in the car. Let's go to Charlie in the car. Charlie in the car in Somerville knows that a dolphin's not a fish. Like, nah, a fish is a dolphin. Does it swim in the ocean? It's a fish. It's a fish. It's a fish.

Does it go good with rice and soy sauce? It's a fish. It's a fish. It's a fish. Does it go good with rice and soy sauce? It's a fish. Kid. Don't get to smotten up. So we have a segment. We'll get back into the game. Okay. But we have a segment.

We go back into time. January 12th. I'm very good at this. 1986, of course, because it's the 85 season, but it's the playoffs, so that means it's in January. And the number one movie was Out of Africa. Did you ever see this movie? Never saw it because it seemed too smart for me at the time. I was like, this is an Otzi Fotzi movie,

and it's probably playing in Lexington. It's probably beautiful, though, now. It's probably playing in Richie Rich Lexington. I don't know that one. I don't know where that is lexington is is a very uh affluent community and in the movie the fighter they go to a movie in lexington because he doesn't want anybody from lowell to see him okay and his girlfriend says why are we going to richie rich lexington to see a movie and it was they were seeing labelle epoch

which was a french subtitled movie anyhow ihow, I'm giving too much information. Out of Africa, I never saw because at 15, I only saw movies that had like Ferris Bueller or Michael J. Fox in them at that age. I think Rocky IV comes out in a couple months. The greatest. The greatest. I know it's not the I-T-F-O-T-C-E Rocky, but I was a kid. This was the action 80ss it's so watchable

but but here's the thing i think we're coming up on like the well maybe it'll be 50 years in 2026 of the the most watched title fight of all time creed versus balboa one yeah i mean that that was a great movie nobody gave balboa a chance ever and he took him he took him 15 rounds he was a great movie Nobody gave Balboa a chance Ever And he took him 15 rounds He was a mob enforcer He was He was a leg breaker

For a second rate loan shock Rock we gotta get some speed Speed is what we need Rock What's your favorite Rocky movie? Rocky 1 I've definitely seen it over 100 times, and I just think every performance and every line in it is so good.

Yeah. Yeah. I like that. But Rocky 5, I mean, they're all so watchable. Rocky 5 was the worst one, but I still loved it. Yeah, it's the worst. I loved it too. Yeah, the Toni Morrison, right?

Yeah. But I was also younger. You know, like when you're a kid. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not thinking about plot holes. Yeah. So I remember first seeing Rocky IV. It was like America versus Russia, underdog.

Like that literally inspired my playoff beard. Wow. It was when Rocky went to Russia. And he didn't want any distraction. He just had the Russian in the mirror. He just wanted to drag large cords of wood. So that was kind of like where I started growing my beard from. That is awesome, man.

Was there a movie that you would watch repeatedly during a season to psych yourself up or a song or anything like that? Yes, there was in college. Okay. In college, I would watch Rudy. Wow. Yeah. But here's my issue with rudy i always felt so sorry for the walk-ons that i was like why are you getting your at least we're on scholarship the vince vaughn character yeah yeah you know my dad made me come here yeah

at least we're getting a scholarship you're doing this out of love of this game that is kicking your ass every day i mean i admire yeah i admire it but i i i often felt sorry for them yeah i it was for me it i just i would get so fired i don't know why i know i would get very fired i love the soundtrack yes no it's awesome and i love i love favreau in it yes yeah it's so good tutor yeah uh and then i i you know the the grind part of him no totally trying out for the team i don't know why no it's incredibly it's incredibly inspiring i love that i get it i get it completely it comes out that the guy didn't was in anything like that like i talked to montana over at a party once. I was like, yo, I love this Rudy movie. He's like, oh, Rudy? Rock and roll?

That's slapdick. I'm like, oh. Oh, that's hilarious. Oh, my gosh. Yeah, I've never heard a good story about the actual Rudy. No. Yeah. It was a great movie, Hollywood.

Great movie. Oh. Hollywood. Disney, right? Yeah. Yeah. The number one song was That's What Friends Are For. Yeah, that was a very lovely song.

By Dion and Friends. Yeah. One of her friends was Elton John. Elton John. Dionne Warwick, Elton John. Stevie Wonder. Stevie Wonder. That was kind of a...

It was kind of like the We Are the World, but I think for the HIV AIDS, I think maybe. Was this for AIDS? Yeah, but it was... No, the We Are the World, but I think for the HIV AIDS, I think maybe. Was this for AIDS? Yeah, but it was. No, the We Are the World's for AIDS. No, no, no. That was for famine in Africa in 1984. And then this, I think, raised awareness and money for HIV AIDS research. That's good.

Yeah. And that shows you're a generation before me i'm an old man not an old that's a very nice way to say i'm an old man no but like for me no it is a generation before you the thing like ours would be like a tiktok trend or 9-11 right well yeah 9-11 well that that would be like our jf like my yeah that's your jfk assassination whereas mine was john lennon's assassination. Yes. Or like the challenge.

I don't remember the challenge. I kind of remember the challenger. I was in ninth grade, I think. Yeah, that was tough. And that was heartbreaking. You don't remember the challenger. The challenger happened before you were born. Oh, what's the other one that had the teachers?

That was challenger. Yeah, that was challenger. You're thinking Columbia. Columbia, I think. Columbia. Yeah. Wasn't there another one? I don't know.

I think in mid-90s. I've lost track of my shuttles. There's one close by. This is by far our darkest Let's Go Back segment. Yeah. Chernobyl meltdown. My word. Well, they knew they were bringing on a depressive,

so they wanted to cover some dark times in the 80s. You know, Karate Kid also came out during this time. It's like someone walks off. Edel Kid also came out during this time. Edelman was born May 22, 86. You're a Taurus like my dad, Phil Goldman. Gemini. Oh, you're on the cusp. Stubborn, two-sided guy. You're a two-sided, but here's

the thing. The side I'm getting today is an incredibly humble, down-to-earth young man. You were raised well and had good coaches. Is that where you're going to rely on? My father, my mother. Yeah, you're a kind person. Tight ship. He's on the right level of microdosing right now.

Oh, really? He hit it today. Yeah, he's got it today. Kyler. Well, Oprah started too. Oh, wow. Yeah, I remember that. I used to love, you're getting a car.

You're getting a car. Oh, my gosh. It was incredible. She was in the sports world, 1985 remember that. I used to love, you're getting a car, you're getting a car. Oh, my gosh. It was incredible. In the sports world, 1985-86, Oklahoma beats Joey Paz, Penn State, and Orange Bowl for the national title. Are you a college football guy? Yes. And so clearly Boston College is your squad.

Yeah, I love Boston College, but I also remember watching that game and every year, New Year's Day was a really special time to watch great college football. And the thing is that I don't follow the Heisman like I used to, but I can remember Bo Jackson winning the Heisman. And then I think, I want to say Barry Sanders won it a year or two later or something like that at Oklahoma State. Have you seen that doc on him? It's so good, right?

Yeah, his dad. Their best running back of all time. Jim Brown, me, and then you. It's so funny. I just love Barry. I could watch highlights of him. It's like he was our Gale Sayers, right? 100.

I mean, every kid. And just to see, talk about humble. And a man that took it to a whole another level i don't even want to be on the field for that 2 000 yarder because i don't want the right and and like i was saying fans in detroit i mean they they they've raised him to the level of a of a deity i mean they love him so much because that he was all they had for so long yeah and he and he didn't switch teams mean, he's really a commendable guy. He really is.

I mean, you can see his relationship with the Suns from that doc. He's just a good man. His dad was a nut, but he was doing something right. You know, you look at that. Yeah. Marcus Allen was the NFL MVP. That was Raiders Allen, right? Yeah, Raiders Allen, yeah.

High knees. Yeah. He was a stud. I remember him a lot on the Chiefs. And a Heisman. He played for a long time. Yeah, he played for a long time. He's a Heisman winner, too.

He was. Yeah, at USC. USC. Yeah. They have the most, right? It was six or nine. We just had Leinert on. He was dropping that knowledge.

Oh, right. Leinert. Leinert. The lefty. Yeah, with Reggie Bush. Oklahoma's got seven. Oklahoma? Wow. Kyler. Leinert. The lefty. Yeah, with Reggie Bush. Oklahoma's got seven. Oklahoma? Wow.

And Ohio State. And Ohio State. And Notre Dame. And USC. All right, and USC. So they all have a lot. They're all very good. The Celtics lose 4-2 to the Lakers in the 84 finals.

You remember this? I do remember that because we won the first game um by 34 points i think so it was they were already burying the lakers and and they were going to have to break up the team and then the the lakers won in six games which it was very depressing but the southwicks came back so strong in 86 and and and put on the floor one of the greatest teams of all time and i put them against up there with the with the last dance bowls and some of the greatest teams of all time, and I put them up there with the Last Dance Bulls and some of the Warriors teams. But the Lakers were incredible back then.

And then the other thing that was very sad was that. The bias? The Len Bias thing. So we won the NBA championship, but then we had the draft, took him second behind Brad Doherty from UNC, and he played at Maryland. And I remember thinking, this guy is just as good as – and I'm not a person who exaggerates or hyperbole.

I was like, this guy is as strong athletically as Michael Jordan. Will he have the drive? Who knows? But then we found out. I remember my friend Mike Murphy called me up. He said, Gary, did you hear that Len Bias died? And I said, that's not funny. How is that a funny joke?

And so I think now that I think about it, that's probably my JFK moment is finding out that Len Bias died from CNN, which was like this brand new news network at the time. And then, yeah, and then the fall. So the Patriots losing the Super Bowl and then the fall, the Red Sox lost to the Mets and Bill Buckner's error that was just like, I was literally crying.

Like, who cries over a ball game? But I cried that the Red Sox lost. It felt like a death. I cried when the goddamn rally monkey came and beat my Giants. Really? Yeah. Oh, man. We were up like 3-2. the injury to the angels right yeah oh my gosh oh i get it yeah i mean yeah that's crazy how fandom really in community oh yeah you know that supports our sports i mean it was much more prevalent in our days. Sure. I mean, it's changed just because of information.

Right. People have a lot of different interests these days. Sometimes they're rooting. And you can have different interests these days. It used to be just sports. No, but sometimes they're rooting for things such as gambling outcomes, but also how their fantasy team is doing, which I played one year and the guys were so cutthroat

that I vowed never to do it again. Yeah, you know, I play with Kyler. We have a Coast Productions team. How are you doing, Jules? I'm middle of the pack. I'm 6-6 right now. I need to do a couple of trades, but I mean, I'll go on and just put in content.

I'll go on thinking I'm doing something smart, watching on a guy that might have a good game coming up. Yeah. Like 30 guys got him waved already. They must have been on. These guys are putting serious hours into this thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. That was the thing that they were putting in way more hours.

You can't compete with that. I got a kid. I got to go to the fucking grocery store. I got to go to school. I have a life, god damn it. Yeah. I mean, Kyler, you giggle. you're picking up all those good little running backs should i pull up the stand no we'll leave it there

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Okay, so the 1985 Miami Dolami dolphins uh led by hall of famers don schuler dan marino went to the super bowl year before right yep again and lost to the 49ers uh and then also hall of famer dwight stevenson center get some o-line love uh they were coming off a season super bowl right they lost the 49ers uh that was the year dan marino threw for 48 touchdowns um so they were feeling themselves dan marino held out in training camp this year a little more money and so the dolphins got had a bit of a slow start um and then they kind of picked it up late in the season they they were out they had seven straight wins including a all-time matchup against the

eventual super bowl champions the 85 bears on a monday game, which at the time was considered one of the greatest and most watched Monday night football games of all time. So you were passed by that Rams-Chiefs ones a couple years ago? I remember it was like 90-20 or 90-99. Wow. It was 52-50, I think. Yes, that was some game. That was a crazy game.

Yeah. We played them on Sunday night football like a couple weeks later, I think, or some primetime game. It was 40 to 43 it was yeah no they put up i mean but the miami dolphins at that time were a modern offense like what we see now throwing so much and and and whereas the patriots were grinding it out and and that yeah that was the match matchup in that playoff game. This was like the era. But Mach Dupa and Mach Clayton, they would make circus catches. And another game that I remember from my childhood, I wonder if you've ever seen highlights of this,

was the Chargers versus the Dolphins. Was that Fouts? Yes, Dan Fouts versus Dan Marino. And it was either overtime or a last second play and it was it was considered one of the one of the great games of all time like the final score was in the 40s but maybe a either a touchdown or field goal separating and it's it was just it was really inspiring these guys i remember kellen winslow being carried off the field with two guys like remember that old thing where they there was no stretcher? You would just have your teammates.

You would put your arms around them, and they would kind of hobble you off the field. The guys had jobs in the offseason, too. Yeah, it was like the Civil War where they would just put a splint, and you would bite down on a stick while they chopped off your foot. Well, they'd obviously give you a shot of, you know, Graham's Old Cough Medicine. That was your your number totally they would get you drunk first and then yeah and then amputate and then they would throw in some dirty ass alcohol into the wound like yeah you'll be good yes and then you would go back out there with missing tape it up

missing a foot and an elbow so that game was called the epic in miami chargers won 41 to 38 all right place january 2nd 1982 in the orange bowl which our game is in also fun fact dwight stevenson was also on that team too wow thank you kyla you're a great producer thank you this is you're missing jack you're missing jack oh really yeah i'm filling in okay he's filling in. We got like a four, a three. Yeah, that's very nice that Kyler gave a shout out to Jack. What's your thoughts on the city of Miami? It's not my speed. I'm a stay-at-home guy,

and so I don't really like to stay out late in the party scene. But I, I, I recognize that I recognize the draw in terms of the, the, uh, quality of the personnel in the, in the clubs and, and the, and the bars and, and, um,

quality. Yeah. There's some high quality there. And I, I understand that it's a, a very lucrative place to live for a professional athlete because you don't have to pay the state taxes. But I really, I like the Northeastern cities to live in. Although I lived in Los Angeles for six years and I loved it. Really, really good people. They say everybody's

phony, but if you find your group, you're finding some of the best of wherever they came from so it yeah i believe that yes but i i love that that's what people always ask me the difference between like east coast and la west coast i'm from the bay area so it's completely different up there but it's it's yeah people on the east coast are are meaner yeah but you know what you're getting right yeah so then it's cutting out a lot of bullshit. Yeah, they're very. There's no agenda. Yeah.

No one wants to say hi because it's fucking three degrees outside. You got to shovel your goddamn car. They're more real. But you know what I'm getting off of you? And I only spent a small amount of time with him, but he was very similar to you. And he's a Bay guy. I shouldn't say he's a Bay guy.

He's a California lifelong person, lived in L lived in la but bill walton from the ucla and i guess grew up in san diego but then then and and he just i mean has lived one of the all-time legendary lives in terms of of his the the time of his existence and the people he intersected with and he's just like i remember telling him what an inspiration he was and he was like i had great coaches and great family and it sounds like you you always come off so humble but you've lived one of the one of the great lives so well i mean it's really nice it's refreshing i appreciate that but i'm just telling you you know that's i believe that yeah No one gets to anywhere by themselves. Right.

There's always a support system of something or a group or a friend, a mentor, coach. But it's nice for people to hear that. Yeah. I appreciate that. No, I mean it. It's amazing you brought up Bill Walton because I just mentioned Jack, who normally does this.

He sets up these rundowns, and he had bill walton in the sports and oh really because bill walton signed with the celtics yeah yeah yeah and i was like i'm gonna cut it i don't know shit about bill walton we won't even talk about it i love watching bill walton that like when i was at grateful dead concerts and shit yeah he's always talking about grateful that yeah so you're you're in boston so you're getting a pac-10 game at like 10 o'clock and you got bill walton talking about LSD and stuff. About the Pac-12. Yes.

It's more than color commentary. It's colorful. I honestly watched just for Bill Walton's commentary. Me too. It's kind of like the show on TNT with Shaq. Yes. Charles. Yes.

I don't even watch basketball. No, I know. I watch the halftime show. It's this weird sitcom. I love it. Yeah. I love it. Charles Barkley is the funniest athlete I have ever seen.

He's a great dude, too. Oh, really? He's a really good guy. Oh, that's so nice to hear. That's really great to hear. He's real. I've heard that. I've heard he's very generous and down to earth.

Yeah, and so funny. My word. He doesn't mean to be always funny, though. Oh, really? No, not always. Oh, I just love him. What about these Pats? Okay, so the 1985 Patriots, their kind of identity,

they was a tough team. They were coached by Raymond Berry, which a fun fact about him is he was one of Johnny Unitas' favorite receivers back in his playing days. Yeah, he was a Baltimore Colt legend. And was a teammate with Don Shula for two years in Baltimore as well. Oh, wow. That makes sense. This is a great defense led by Hall of two years in Baltimore as well. Oh, wow. That makes sense.

This is a great defense led by Hall of Fame and notable Jew, Andre Tippett, as we mentioned. They gave up only 18.1 points per game and had 23 interceptions. They were both a top 10 defense and a both top 10 offense as well. It was a bit of a quarterback controversy. We talked about with Steve Grogan and Tony Eason. You can see that they're a tough football team when your starting quarterbacks got under 60% completion percentage

and 11 touchdowns and 17 interceptions. Yeah. I mean, but look at Craig James was out of SMU. Yeah. And he was an excellent ball carrier. Yeah. and he was an excellent ball carrier. Yeah, and then he became a commentator for college football on ESPN for a long time, and he was really good. And Stanley Morgan, oh, my gosh.

He was a Hall of Famer, right? Yeah, you would have loved him. He got all the records. Yeah, and for a team that didn't throw very much, but if they threw, they were throwing to him. We had some really nice... Sadly, we lost a tight end named Russ Francis from that era who played for the Niners as well,

but he was, man, a wonderful tight end back when they used to block a lot. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I do Fox with Rob Gronk, and we'll sit and talk, and I always pick his brain whenever, because we'll watch all the games together,

and I'll have all the TVs. Yeah. Sitting there, you got Howie Long. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Gronk. Yeah. I'm sitting there, and I'm like, yo, Gronk, what do you think about this kid?

He's more of a H-back. I go, Gronk, what do you think about this guy? He's more of an H-back. He really thinks that the true tight end position, there's only like two to five, two to three, that are traditional tight end that can sit up on the end of the line of scrimmage and block a nine technique. Right.

Wow. You know what I mean? There's not many guys that do that. A lot of these guys, it's become a pass-catching position. Oh, yeah. It's an actual wide receiver. You know what I mean? You get big receivers, and then you're playing the personnel group game.

Yeah. And now they don't have to block the ends anymore. They can get up on, you know, a smaller backer. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The game's completely changed.

Yeah, yeah. It's so much faster. It is. I can't get over it sometimes. Gary, how was your blocking when you played at BC? Awful. My blocking was awful.

My technique was awful. I relied on being able to jump very high, and I had good hands. But my blocking, I could never do it. They used to call it a reach block. Yeah. Yeah, and that's a really hard block. And also, when I was in high school, they didn't want you to use your hands. They wanted you to block with your shoulder.

You used to do the wings. The flippers, yeah, so you wouldn't get called for a holding call. And then when I got to college that you were allowed to use your hands and get in there and it was it was a very difficult adjustment and then the other thing going from a high school to college was that you you had to in high school they just threw the ball high you caught it in college it was like well if the if you have a rolled up corner then you have to make this this decision and i was like a rolled up what now i it i was it was really hard to keep up with with the playbook and it wasn't as sophisticated as your playbook no but every every level that

you go up yeah it's a big jump yeah i can remember yeah going from high school to junior college and that was a jump just on that athletes yeah and when you you know you high school to junior college, and that was a jump just on athletes. And when you do well in junior college, everyone was the best in their area. And you go to that, and it's like you have to learn a new language. Yeah. But the idea that football players or any athlete are meatheads is so false and insulting because the level of intellect

and the decision-making, the quickness, not to mention the kinetic genius that you guys have, but anybody, I know they make fun of Gronk, but anybody who can do these reads has an intelligence. Maybe not for chemistry and physics. No, without a doubt. Right, but for the movement and also just the decision-making quickness

is really impressive. Gary, I played in the league for 12 years. I played with some meatheads. Really? Yeah. That couldn't follow the... There's like maybe one to three guys on a team that are just either so big, so fast, so strong.

I see. Physically, they were able to dominate. They can do that. They won't do it for a long time now. Right. Because people learn your moves when you get it on film. Yes. And people can prepare for it. Yes. But they can sneak out. There's some meatheads that can sneak out a couple years. All right. All right. Thanks

for being on that. No, but I also say that too. I got a little disappointed in Meryl Streep because I was a huge Meryl Streep fan. I still am. But when she went on the... She won an award for best actress or something. It was, like, five years ago or something.

And she goes... She, like, called out the athlete community. Like, we're the arts. We're the this. And I go, you know how artistic it is? Oh, my gosh. To be able to have this my gosh to be able to have this vision to be able to set up a block do a spin move that's like that's a person's art oh my gosh

you know like you said that's kinetic art yeah yeah of movement yes you see some of these guys run yes they're big strong fast but they have footwork like a ballerina it wasn't a coincidence that jerry rice dominated dancing with the stars yeah yeah well he used to do ballerina stuff for his ankle and right right because he's an artist yeah yeah there were a lot of there were a lot of players who who could have been uh equally impressive in in dance or things like that yeah emmett smith did well too yes oh my gosh my gosh, he was awesome. Yes. I think he won it.

He had great feet. Yeah. You get offered every single year to be on that show. I'm not going on Dancing with the Stars. Good for you. If I got to go there, we got problems.

All right? I love Dancing with the Stars. I'm a big fan. But let me, I like doing this. No, you can do your, you can use your brain in your mouth to to do great things and meryl streep you know i'm still a fan but you know i hurt me no i get

that that is hurtful you know that is called out like you guys there's part of the country that loves ufc and the nfl or the arts oh meryl artistic it is meryl she didn't have to she didn't have to don't bring us down yeah, exactly. So to wrap up this Patriots team, a little bit of quarterback controversy. Grogan was up and down his whole career. They drafted Tony Easton in a pretty incredible 1983 draft class

for quarterbacks. John Elway, Jim Kelly, and Dan Marino was drafted actually after Tony Easton. So Easton won the job, started the year, I believe, two and three, separated his shoulder. See those guys again

real quick? I'm sorry. So the whole draft class. No, no, just the three guys that were before him. John Elway at first overall. Jim Kelly at 14.

Who was after him? Jim Reno was after Tony Eason. Oh. So Tony Eason was drafted 15th. He had a little problem with his nose, if you know what I mean. And wasn't the Bears quarterback in that draft class too Eason was drafted 15th. He had a little problem with his nose, if you know what I mean.

And wasn't the Bears quarterback in that draft class too? Also was Todd Blackledge and Ken O'Brien were the other people drafted in the first round. Okay. I don't know about. But not McMahon. I can come back on McMahon. So there's a little controversy with the quarterbacks.

Eason goes down to the shoulder. Grogan comes in. They win six games in a row uh and then grogan breaks his leg and a lot overtime lost the jets and then eason comes back in and then finishes out the season also would be remiss if we don't mention hall of fame patriot legend john hannah this was his last hannah from alabama hannah from alabama yeah i mean that was how desperate we were for superstars, that we were in love with an offensive lineman, a guard.

He was different, though. That's tight, though. Yeah. That's tight. I loved him. I always clicked with the linemen. I loved Logan Mankins. I love Logan Mankins.

Yeah, of course. I still think he was just the greatest dude. I loved Matt Light and Lucci. They were really good guys, too. Steve Neal, the wrestler? Yeah. The interesting thing with the offensive linemen, and I'm sure this is not unique to Boston College,

was how close they were. Always. And they were real family, and because they're not getting all the notoriety and everything like that, but they're doing all the hardest work. You got to win the game. And they never touch a football.

No. They're the ultimate selfless team player. Yeah. Don't say much. They all hang out by each other. Yeah, and their average life expectancy is like 39. They're like wrestlers, right? They're like professional wrestlers

it's changed it's changed because you see them all these guys now as soon as they're done they shed 60 pounds oh yes yes a lot more information these days no it's true back in the day they just keep it eating so John Hanna said of this season

my goal was to play 16 years and during that season 1985-86 I had a torn calf muscle, two torn rotator cuffs, and a blown up knee. They repaired both shoulders at the same time. When I went to get my knee done, my cartilage looked like sand. My femur was wearing down. I was told by the doctor that if I had a job I could do outside of football, I should go do that.

And that's what i did wow yeah that's tough the shoulder knee oh surgeries i can't imagine i'm very lucky 12 wow 12 surgeries it's like every off season it's like going into the get a pit stop man when you know the radiologist and the nurses by name yeah yeah hey mary how you doing right oh man can you give me a little extra scoop on that one oh my god but i will say going i have gone under and those when you're counting down that's a man that feels good just gone best sleep the best sleep ever the best no tossing and turning. Just 10.

I'm out. Michael Jackson. And Prince. Was that two? I think so. Yeah. RIP. Let's set the stage of this game.

First we get to the game. What was the whole thoughts of the city of this team? Just tough team. Everyone's proud of it. Yeah. I mean, it was like I said, it felt like a holiday. Yeah. Like we didn't get school off, but everybody was focusing on that.

Everybody was in a good mood. The way, do you remember like Wednesday before Thanksgiving at school? Everybody's light. Even the teachers who don't like you are being kind and looking out for you. That's what it feels like in New England. Maybe get a roller. When the Pats, Red Soxins are or are going for a championship and and we we we were not that hopeful that we could win in miami but there was a chance for a for a miracle we had seen what

flutie had done in miami recently and so we were yeah we were all about this destiny vibes i think yeah there was there was maybe a destiny vibes. And sports radio was basically this guy called Eddie Andelman in New England. He had a show on WHDH, and it was Sunday night. So one night a week you would hear sports talk, and then sometimes Sunday morning there were shows. So it wasn't a 24-hour broadcast. There was one broadcast.

And I remember he had a song parody about this team with all the players because some of the players' names rhymed, like Lippet and Tippett, although it was Lippet, but Andre Tippett, Lippet and Tippett, and Blackman's the Sackman. The D doesn't play at attacks. The Dolphins will go down today to Raymond Berry's Pats. That was the song. I can't believe I'm getting the chills that I remember this.

I'm getting the chills that you remember that. Yeah. And so we hadn't won in a while. The Red Sox hadn't made the playoffs since 1975. So that's 10 years. That's a lifetime nowadays, right? If the Red Sox won 10 years without even making the playoffs. And the Patriots had beaten the years without even making the playoffs and then and the patriots

had beaten the jets and then the raiders so there was a there was a feeling of momentum and destiny but we never win in miami 18 consecutive years 18 of losing in miami that's disgusting so that yeah so we were 15 years we were not we were not convinced they would win. And then, oh my word. It was the Super Bowl for us. It was the Super Bowl to the Super Bowl. Yes. Super Bowl Eve. Yeah.

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game we kind of touched on all of it um Patriots were wild card team kind of a road warrior beat the Jets on the road beat the number one Los Angeles Raiders on the road and then eventually beat this Dolphins team on the road to go to the Super Bowl. Road dogs. Road dogs and this is the first team to make it to the Super Bowl from the wild card

and it's the first team to win all three road games to make it to the Super Bowl and Gary you mentioned too about this Orange bowl jinx the pats were 0 and 18 um in the orange ball oh i didn't realize that they had never won there i just thought it was 18 years in a row which makes sense because the team was not that old and hadn't won or maybe since 1966 i don't know if they had won one in the past uh they did win one on the road in Florida. In Tampa. But it was in Tampa for some random reason.

The Orange Bowl. They owned us. The Orange Bowl. I mean, wow. And then leading up to this game from the Dolphins side, because of the matchup they had with the Bears and everyone was viewing that that was such a matchup and this was going to be an incredible Super Bowl.

Overlook. Dolphins, Bears, the rematch. Great offense, great defense. Let's go. So they were kind of looking at it, and they were writing, I think, a seven or eight game win streak into this game. Wow.

And then also Squish the Fish was selling T-shirts and all that. Yeah, I remember that. That's amazing. Yeah. It's good font. It really is. And then the game is not the most remarkable gameplay. I think the thing here is a lot of the anticipation kind of leading up to it.

You can rush for 255. That's remarkable. Yeah. That's called tough. You want to be a tough team, you got to run the ball. You got to stop the run. You got to cover kicks. Yeah, they ground it out.

It was Craig James, Anthony Collins, and this guy named Mosey Tatupu, who was like a local legend, a Samoan legend and and also a Patriots legend he could always be counted on to get you the really tough yards he was so tough and strong and and beloved there was this group called Mosey's Mooses which was like the equivalent of of like they had they would make a big sheet and put it on. And they were fans of this guy who only carried the ball four or five times, but he blocked. He blocked really hard. Yeah.

And he was really important to everybody. Yeah. The blue collar type players are just so beloved in New England. After all these, still, that's a big thing. Yeah. It is. The lunch pail guys. That's what they loved about Julian Edelman,

who was once quoted as saying, I love getting hit. You're young, dumb, and full of cum. You don't know what you're thinking. Now I'm thinking of that, I'm like, oh, so stupid. No. But is this not just a perfect display of what your city is through football teams? Oh, yes. Totally.

Tough. Totally. Tough. 255 on the ground. Yeah. And by the way, you could see that maybe if it was in a cold weather game, but to grind it out like that. In Miami.

And it was just Tony Eason. He did not throw many, many attempts. I mean, and he made most of them. And it was just Tony Eason, he did not throw many attempts. I mean, and he made most of them, and it was basically ball control. And here's the thing growing up as a Patriots fan. They were always a run first team. They would run on third down and then punt on fourth down. They would maybe throw sometimes on third down. Field position battle.

Yes, totally. But they weren't a team that would air it out very frequently. And Grogan, I thought, had a good arm, but they just, yeah, they were a ball control offense. I can't, you know, I'm looking at everything. I'm looking at all the numbers, but Don Shula was a handsome guy. No, he had a gorgeous, had a wavy hair. And over the years i just it just

drives me crazy that the those old dolphins guys get to celebrate every year when a team loses it drives me nuts like that that we almost had that yes i wasn't on the team i know but someday it has to happen and if only to to shut those guys up because they're smug about it, and they don't bring into the fact that they did not play a 16-game regular season, and the playoffs run is arduous. That means it's probably never going to happen. It may never happen. Because it's 18.

It'll be 18 probably in the next three years. Right. There's an extra playoff game. Less buys. Yeah. Regardless if it was 14 or whatever, that's an impressive stat. Just to have guys to be able to get up every week. I mean, you know how it is in football.

No, I know. I know. The start of the season, you're excited because it's the start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But then the days get short, man. It's tough. The days get short. It's tough. Days get short. It gets tough.

It gets cold. Yeah. Your body starts to hurt. You got an ankle. You're rehabbing all day. Yeah. Week 7 to 12, you're sitting there miserable. Your sun's gone.

You're going to work. It's dark. You leave work. It's dark. You see the sun or the cloudy gray skies of Foxborough. That's depressing. It's very depressing. I used to have this little light.

Me too. Yeah, the light in my locker. The light box, yes. It's supposed to give you the UV or something. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's really helpful. And the vitamin D supplements, they were huge into that. Oh, yeah.

Most people are vitamin D deficient. Let's do a quick PSA. Get your vitamin D. Vitamin D, but you also have to have calcium to break people are vitamin D deficient. Let's do a quick PSA. Get your vitamin D. Vitamin D, but you also have to have calcium to break down the vitamin D, so don't forget the calcium as well. It needs to be able to break it down. Okay, so take a calcium supplement as well?

Yeah. Okay. Because that's what helps the vitamin D get broken down. That's really helpful. So let me wrap up this game. So final score was 31-14. We touched on the big things. Patriots outrushed the Dolphins 255-56.

You mentioned Tony Eason only had 12 pass attempts, but he threw for three touchdowns. Dan Marino, you went 20 for 48. Wow. Two touchdowns, two interceptions, and there was six total turnovers from the Dolphins for this game. That is something else. I mean, Marino was as good as it ever got.

I'm looking at the face masks, and they're similar to what people wear when they're fencing, right? They are. I don't know how they ever saw. The linemen? I mean, that's what I grew up seeing. Yeah. That line right in the right yeah and they used to

have those neck rolls and the huge shoulder pads now it's all as small as you can did you wear any knee pads my first three years i didn't and they mandated it okay i didn't wear knee or thigh isn't that good just to be faster i don't know why i just thought it looked cool the vanity yeah my word it was more of all the studs on the team were doing it. I see. I get it. I want to do that. I get it.

I get it. No, that makes sense. And then you get a deep thigh bruise and Belichick's like, what the fuck are we doing? Jesus. So he would mandate us. He mandated some practice, but in games you could take them out. Was there ever a point where you felt comfortable with somebody like that? Or is it always?

Yeah. Yeah, after like my second Super Bowl win. Okay. And like a historic catch. Then I felt like I could crack a joke at them. Yeah. I just always, every experience. To this day, my high school coach and anybody who coached me in college,

I still call them coach. Oh, yeah. And I still want to make them proud and please them. Isn't that interesting? It is. But they really were so meaningful to us. I mean, especially at our youngest ages, they mold your outlook.

And I don't think everybody should play a sport, but you should play something where you have to rely on somebody for mentorship and guidance and also something that somebody helps you improve play something where you have to rely on somebody for mentorship and guidance and and also something that somebody helps you improve at something yeah you know i it's a great lesson right i think there's so many life lessons like i have a six-year-old right now and i love that she's in soccer team sport she does gymnastics and. The life lessons you learn in a team sport are, I think, so much on a different page just because in life, you're not going to go through this thing

alone. And anything you do, you have a job, you're this, that, you're going to need other people. And so you need to learn at a young age how to work with people. You need to learn at a young age to rely on other people. You need to learn at a young age that people are going to rely on you you need accountability yes you're going to learn how to compete you're going to learn how to set goals you're going to learn how to sacrifice yeah and all these things like as soon as she gets old enough where she can make her own decision that she don't have to play but at least you'll have that instilled in her and she'll feel that and then she can go to what she wants yeah no i love it right now it's not a this isn't a democracy this is a dictatorship that's good that's good but i mean the other thing and maybe it's obvious but it was it was

unusual i think when i grew up in the 1970s in a in a community that was that was mostly white people too white tough people yeah it was white tough people and then but through basketball and football and and sports i was able to interact with with people who didn't look like me and it was really it was important to understand now they're no different than you they want the same things they work as hard as you do sometimes harder and and so that that was very helpful in that circumstance. Learning communities, learning culture. Yeah, and I know a lot of people who are in certain fields

that never intersect with people who don't look like them, and really they're missing out. And they probably acted a certain way around people because they don't have experience. Yeah. And that's what the sport does. It allows you to experience other people. Yeah yeah and i've been blessed that way with comedy as well people of different backgrounds and interests and and and and who weren't even

born in america frequently it's been really cool and it's really cool because you guys have a common interest yes yes so that's what brings you together and that's and that's what sport does that's the other thing they didn't care where you came from as long as you could play yeah or or loved the sport yeah yeah it was really special a lot of stuff to be learned from sport you know it's definitely not for everyone no there's so many no but it could also be music instruments or something like that yeah what's the first thing that comes to mind when you think of this game? After the game, before the game. When you think of this game. I think of my dad.

I think of my dad because I'm from a divorced family, so he would come on Sundays, and Sundays meant watching the Patriots with him, and he was such a good fan. I never heard him criticize the players. He would be disappointed. He would be sad, but he never said because a lot of new england fans say don't don't follow the red socks don't follow the patriots they'll break your heart but my dad just loved these guys and

these teams and i remember how happy he was and and how he wasn't a pessimist which a lot of bostonians are he really believed in the team from week to week and he would be come disappointed and we were just so thrilled by that game and so excited about the super bowl and and the great thing about the mindset back then was that making it to the super bowl was the super bowl yeah a dream come true and we were happy it wasn't it wasn't a failure if the team lost whereas now i feel and i feel for the buffalo bills fans because it happens four times in a row. It's comical. And then what they're going through right now.

Yes. Are you thinking that this is their time? Yeah. Oh, it's heartbreaking, but I just, I feel for those fans because it's, you give your heart and soul every Sunday. You really do. And those people, I'll tell you right now, those Buffalo fans, they haven't experienced a lot of success.

No. And they still love their team. They love their team. They love their team. I've never been flipped off so many different ways. Anytime. Oh, wow. Anytime you go into Buffalo, from three years old to 100 years old,

you're getting the finger after you leave was there ever something somebody yelled and and not in the profanity but something like I I remember just certain things would be yelled from from uh opposing teams and they would like get you like really like Gary like your hair or something it would would be like, that hurt my feelings. No, you want to know what hurt my feelings? When it was a third and eight and all of a sudden I see a pink dildo get thrown onto the field and it says Brady's dildo. That's what traumatized me. And I sat and watched the referees.

Oh, Julian, I'm so sorry that happened to you. I sit and watch the referees. They're sitting here having a discussion on how to get it off the field. One's kicking it off. They don't know what to do. Oh, my word. That's what I remember from the Buffalo fans. Oh, buddy.

I'm sorry. It was so big. Yes. The Beastie Boys, I think, toured with that. So the Patriots went on to Super Bowl X or 20. Super Bowl XX. Their first in franchise history. The first X-rated.

Yeah, the first X-rated. Double X-rated. Oh, my gosh, truly. There it was. Wow. Literally, that was on the field. I was actually impressed with the fan that had the imagination to sneak this thing in because it's not easy getting things

in that fucking stadium. No, that's really impressive. He must have key stirred it or he must have put it in his pants. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't want to make any guesses at where he was hiding it. Or she. The Patriots lost to the Bears. The 85 Bears with that Super Bowl shuffle sweetness.

The fridge. Or McMahon. That beautiful defense. That 46 defense. 46 to 10. But they were winning three. Buddy Ryan. Buddy Ryan.

They carried him off the field. Yep. Carried him off the field. Yeah. I love Buddy Ryan. I like the Ryans too. i know uh i saw rex at at the belmont when he was still the head coach of the the jets oh wow and it was right after that whole foot thing that oh yeah yeah welker oh my god we were all there that was

really funny man it was that was next level it was funny we ended up losing though ah but yeah we were he was he was great about he's he's a fun guy yeah he seems like he he has a really good sense of humor yeah yeah and then his brother i saw him he's the same way it's just such such a rich in history that family yeah really this generation more than the the eight the guys in the 70s and 80s it it i i do like seeing the guys after the game hugging each other from the opposing teams whether it's basketball i know it it upsets the old school people but these guys understand what they went through and it's not like they're they're letting up because they're playing somebody they went to camp with or college with yeah they want to just for the the sake of their

own integrity in there and their and their egos beat them and and so i i understand it's like the boxers who hug at the end nobody understands what they went through like like uh i remember one of my favorite matches of all time um was uh no drago balboa when when uh the balboa he i feel i feel he brought it was gonna end the cold war it was gonna end but i think he sped it up he sped it up yeah it was more diplomacy but that didn't hurt what did the what was? I can change. You can change. We can all change. Yes. Yes.

Change is good. Yeah. Yeah. That was a really good documentary. But getting back to after the game. After the game. Yes. I understand what other guys go through,

and there's a respect always. Yeah. There's always a respect. Because I've been in every situation on that field, a guy trying to make the team yeah a guy trying to earn a role the guy that's trying to keep up his expectations that the standards that he's made for himself i've been on every side of that sure but before game oh yeah we can't talk no no no no no no no we can't talk no i can only sneer at you thank you yeah yeah no 100 after game i'll shake your hand if we win i i would if we win frequently when i if we lose i used to just literally get off the field yeah frequently i would box and i would i would uh tell my opponent i must break you i must break you that wasn't me i mean drug what's it i remember

this one uh fighter had a prediction for the fight and his prediction was pain yes lang was one of the all-time heavyweights i don't care what you say some people love tyson other people ali but lang one of the all-time WBC champions. Hey, Balboa. Hey, woman. Yeah, he was talking about his wife, talking about Adrian. Yes. Oh, my gosh. Rocky had to go to LA and get a little brother life in him. Trying to get his rhythm.

Oh, I love that one. That was low-key one of the best. Oh, one of the most watchable. I mean, it was one of the best fights of all time. Yeah, and I love the training no tomorrow julian there is no there is no tomorrow you know that that's that was and once again like my career goes into these rocky movies yes you know what i mean there's there's a time where you're doing the magazine covers yeah and you're you're living on cloud nine and you got the wrestling. Wrestling thunder lips. Thunder lips. Yes.

And then all of a sudden you get hurt or something. There's something that happens. You lose your confidence and you got to build it back. Confidence is a big percentage of the game. How do you build your confidence? It's a constant struggle, but I do gain confidence by thinking of things that initially I wasn't able to do and then do it easily without thinking from tying your shoes to making free throws,

to dunking a basketball, all these things in your life that you're like, I can't do it. I can't do it. And then you don't give up. It's like that, that San Antonio Spurs thing where you, you hammer the stone every day and it doesn't even crack there's no

evidence and then years later it cracks wide open and it's just like keep pounding that rock every day and and so it's i think my confidence is is that john wooden idea the preparation and giving it all and then what else can i what else can i do? Yeah, that pyramid of success, man. It still holds up, and it was written in the 50s. Yeah. For me, I always, as an athlete, you deal with confidence, especially when you play on a team like New England, because there's a standard. Yeah.

You know, if we don't win a Super Bowl, it's a failure, at least when we were playing, when I was on that team. Yeah. Like, you know, if we don't win a Super Bowl, it's a failure, at least when we were playing, when I was on that team. Yeah. So for me, if I would ever lose the confidence, if I dropped a ball or something, you know, I didn't perform a certain way in a game or I missed a couple of this or that, for me, I would just always go back to the fundamentals. I would think, I hear my dad in my head because my dad's very.

What's his name? Frank. Okay. the fundamentals i would think i hear my dad in my in my head because my dad's very what's his name frank okay he's very uh very he was a very tough guy on me okay you know he's the type of guy that you know i'd go where are you in the birth order i'm i'm the middle okay tough i'm the middle okay brother was seven years older than me too oh it's like a different family different family so he used to like just wallylly-wop me. Wow. So my sister's three years younger. Okay.

He was the type of guy that I'd go work out, and he'd come back, and I'd be dying. And he goes, you beat those three kids. I'm talking about working out by myself, Dad. You're in the NFL now. There's three kids in high school right now that are training and that have a picture of you on their wall. Wow. That are thinking about taking your job.

Wow. That are thinking about taking your house. That's the kind of stuff. Whenever I lost my confidence, I would always just go back to fundamental work. Yeah. Work my way out of it and just try to stack good days together yeah you know just you're either getting better or you're getting worse sure in in yeah if you break everything down yeah in your day-to-day if you could stack five good days together and you just

keep on competing with that's what i had to do for me and i had to keep myself in a happily miserable mindset like i have this whole thing where we have this merch i sell it's called happily miserable okay because i was miserable but i i needed i needed to be in that mindset yeah the underdog mindset the underdog mindset the the world's falling mindset like i needed that for me to hone in and keep my focus sure you know so work was always my my way to get my confidence back and then if you want to improve on something you know belichick would always say this if you want to improve you can't just go work hard yeah you can't just go run you can't just go lift weights yeah you're you're working hard, but you need to find someone, a mentor, coach, a person that can tell you what you need to work on.

Yes. And then you work hard at that. Wow. And that's how you get improvement. Yeah. You know what I mean? So that's how, like. That's really inspiring and so insightful but are you able to turn it off and are you able

to one thing that i always have a hard time was and it reminds me of bob knight where he would i remember in that book i read the season on the brink where he would yell at a player and he said why do i want you to be a better player than you want to be and so there are certain mindsets which are hard to be around especially after they're they're not playing athletes because they hold everybody at a high such high expectations and then kyler pays for it and it's true and and and you and we have to because i find that with my my wife sometimes because she has artistic pursuits and i tell her how i would go about it and she's like stop trying to make me be you yeah and and let me enjoy this you know that it's it's it's interesting because we we have this we have this discipline that worked for us and and we want

to impart it on people but it can be very off-putting. I talk to my dad about that all the time. Yeah. Because I have small businesses and you're managing people. And I go to the factor of how I was managed for 12 years of my life by Bill Belichick. And it was so successful beyond dreams. Beyond dreams. Yeah. And I was never told the things I did well.

I was expected to do those. Right. I was only told the things I needed to work on. Yeah. You know, and my dad's actually, he's very similar to me. He's a small business owner. So he's had a lot of experience with people. Was he athletic?

He was. Okay okay his dad died when he was three and his mom you know she was in and out of marriages he grew up in a trailer park tough so he became a mechanic at 14 he had to help wow help out my mom grandma so he he always talks you know he always kind of lets me know that you can't live like what you're saying you can't right you have to turn that off yes yeah you know what i mean and it's and it's hard for me because i'm still transitioning yeah from something i've been doing for two decades three decades yeah you know and it's been like that since i was eight years old yeah and it's changed when you get to be a professional. And then it's all football.

You don't have school anymore. You have football school. Yeah. So, like, I mean, it's a part of life is learning what you have to do to improve. And my dad's a good person that helps me with that. But I definitely need to be able to turn it off. Sure. You know, when you have a kid, it helps you with that.

Yes. You know, my dad was a hard ass my dad was very tough on me because he didn't that's what dads were like back then he didn't have any he didn't have anyone yeah who would have trained him yeah you know so yeah but he's now the complete opposite now now he's the softy are you hungry the grandfather yeah oh do you need anything that's so nice oh look let me let me rub your feet like literally that's great so wow i mean the pride he must have though julian my word was a team effort my mom my mom as well you know she's a stubborn little lady but that's a special thing for a dad

to have a son who excels in these areas yeah my. My dad, he was a huge part of it. Sure. No, I know. Yeah. My dad's kind of like a Jewish mother. That's so cool. Literally. That's great.

You know, nothing's ever good enough, but he's always comforting me. Yeah. Oh, that's so nice. Oh, my gosh. But in the same twisted kind of thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Oh, that's interesting.

Yeah. I was watching your stand-up your mom cracks me up oh thanks man yeah she's she's a sweetheart she really is a sweetheart she's quite a character she's very depression yeah oh he's here to hear smiles the whole time yeah yeah yeah you never met a happier kid yeah and then i i held up this book called the lonely tree yeah yeah yeah the lonely tree just the level of denial but nobody understood back then nobody knew so i i yeah it's a product of that generation yes exactly exactly and we didn't have that relationship with our parents like kids do today where they can go to them and say listen i feel this way i feel yeah if you were

bullied you kept that to yourself unless there was something you could do about it so yeah yeah or try to figure out a way to to solve these things by yourself because they were working so hard especially a single mom is is just this interesting uh warrior in america that or on the planet that they just have to have to get by and they and they don't have a lot of time for nonsense. That's what my dad always tells me. Dad, I'm stressed out. I got a lot of shit going on. You know what I know what stress is?

I know. I go, what? What are you talking about? Dad, I got a lot of shit going on. You know what stress is? It's when you have three deaf kids, $50 in your bank account with $200 in bills. Wow.

That's what my grandma was. My dad has three deaf brothers and sisters. Wow, I didn't know that. Yeah, so, and he's like significantly younger, but, you know, he goes, that's stress. And that's a single mom, you know what I mean? Is your grandmother still alive? No, she passed.

Oh, I'm sorry. What was her name? Mary. Mary. God love her. She was the best. Yeah. Let's get back to the old football then.

I had a tear over here thinking about grandma. Gary, I have one quick question. I think one of your specials you mentioned, your mom would go to a dentistry school to get her teeth done. Yeah, that's my newest special. Was that BU? The Boston University School of Dentistry. My grandma did the same thing.

Really? Oh, my gosh. That's incredible. And it was a nightmare the teeth were terrible poor people couldn't afford dentistry so our family, my mom had a lot of dental work, she would go to a school that had a school of dentistry a university that had a school of dentistry

and these kids would take their midterms but it was my mother's bridge work and her and her molars and things and they they weren't competent and she would be in great pain and and that's what we had to do was really oh i feel for her man it was and the other thing was we would have to drive into boston which was poor people have cars that don't work so sometimes we'd break down we'd just be on the side of the road waiting for a AAA truck to come. And it was just, oh, man, it was a nightmare.

That was before the big dig, too. That was before the big dig. So we'd go over this thing called the Mystic. Five hours of traffic on the side of the road. The Mystic River Bridge, which everybody would call the Mystic River. We're going over the Mystic River. And I was like, who is this Mr. River? And she was a mystic

river the river we're driving over it to go into boston and you had to save up money to pay for parking i remember that was part of it in the toll yeah they got rid of the toll on the pike when i was there yeah i used to hate it that That would mean all the traffic. Yeah. And these four people who worked in the Tobus were just miserable. Miserable. Oh, my gosh. But their sweaters, though. That Mass Pike sweater. Oh, I love that thing.

Oh, I did love those. Oh, my gosh. I would love one of those. Amazing. Dan Marino. Tyler is an absolute delight. The whole staff here. I really enjoy you people.

We enjoy you. Thank you. I really appreciate it hope i was hoping i was doing a good job no you're doing killing it all right dan marino the best to never win a super bowl who who else are we thinking about in terms of i've got some names sanders barry sanders barry renandy moss yeah maybe the greatest quarterback to never win a super bowl is that possible although jim kelly was great but he was better than jim kelly yeah jim kelly was man that's that's a sad story oh in a row i know it's heartbreaking i thought you're gonna say the cancer yeah that too yeah that too i should probably take the dip out of my lip um also junior seo bruce smith laden thomas and tony gonzalez philip rivers i forgot i play with junior seo he was a very

special person he was the nicest guy yes in the world yes like i remember he we were at capital grill and my parents just came in we were about to play in a playoff game, and I was taking them out to dinner on a Friday. This is in December, maybe January. So it's freezing outside. Yeah. Junior rolls up in flip-flops, shorts, and he always wore this hat and his ukulele on his back. Seriously? Serious, because he used to go to Capitol Girl every, you know, that was his spot.

His flip-flops. Flip flip flops but he's hawaiian yeah he grew up in in the tropics and he wasn't bothered by the new this dude was the most manly man ever wow manly man but soft-hearted too yes that's the way he came off and he and he went up to my parents and we grew up in the bay area there's a lot of polynesian culture so i grew up with a lot of in the Bay Area. There's a lot of Polynesian culture. So I grew up with a lot of Tongans, a lot of Samoans, a lot of Hawaiians. That was part of my football team and my football life. Oh, that's cool. So Junior Seau was a god in California.

Sure. Because he was on the Chargers. He did the whole thing. He was a USC guy, too. USC guy. And I got to play with them and he came up to my parents and he and he and he goes mr mr edelman i just want to say you raised a very great young man wow play a long time in this league and this was when i was a

rookie and i was still wow that's incredible to have juniors say out my dad you know he's all shy and stuff. I watched this guy for a long time. This was his 20th year in the league. By the time I was playing with him. But I remember you stood out in the preseason. You were very promising. Lincoln Financial.

That was a big game. Yeah. Because it was Tom's first game back from the ACL. That's right. Wes wasn't playing. That's right. It was my first game in the NFL. My word.

Any nerves? Oh, so nervous. I was very nervous. I was very nervous. Yeah. Because I cared so much. Of course, yeah. You know, you get.

Yeah, and so much was, you were so invested. So invested. Yeah. Especially in that, you know, you're playing for your job. Yeah. And you're a seventh your job yeah seventh round draft yeah first preseason game yeah well didn't play so they they started me and they told me like right before the game so it was kind of like they test you psychologically i want to see if you can

yeah you know kenny handle that we're gonna tell him 20 minutes before the game that he's gonna have to you know a lot because a lot of guys can't and they want to see it in the preseason of course you know and first play it was kickoff i went of guys can't, and they want to see it in the preseason. Of course. You know, and first play, it was a kickoff. I went down, I made a tackle, and they put me on kickoff that day. Went and made a tackle. Then the first punt return, I took to the house. That was incredible.

And then the first play of offense. Did you think you were dreaming? I did. Right? Because I still have dreams where I score touchdowns. And to do that on that level, because it's more competitive. My word, I can't imagine. You don't really know either when you're in camp. Yeah.

Because there's a lot of thud. You're not taken to the ground. It's not like college or guys are hitting. But if hard knocks has shown us anything, it's that you might get cut even after having an incredible game. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

All right, continue. I'm sorry. No, but it was just. You score that. And then you run back that touchdown. And then it was Brady's first game. So everyone was kind of like very nervous because the knee thing. Yeah.

And like everyone's kind of on eggshells. Bill wanted to see how we were playing. He wanted to see how Tommy was psychologically. Because when you go through injury, that first live contact, when you're getting real bullets, it's different. Sometimes you don't want to stick your foot in it. There's a lot of stuff going on. It goes back to the eye of the tiger.

Eye of the tiger. First play gives me the swing route. He throws me a little swing. I caught his first ball. I'm like, this is awesome. This is easy. Really? And I ended up having a bunch of catches, and I had a good game.

And next week. There is something to the ignorance of the brand new, right? Where you don't know it could go horrible. No. Next week, it could go horrible. No. Next week, it's against Atlanta. And I'm still on the verge of making the team. Yeah. I housed a punt, and I had a lot of production in the first game.

I had a tackle. Yeah. But we had Randy Moss, Wes Walker, Joey Galloway. There's a numbers game of how many guys are on the team. Wow. Like there's a numbers game of how many guys are on the team. Yeah. And so the next week I go and I'm returning a punt and I shake off a guy and another guy comes in and he, my foot gets caught and I sprain my ankle. I get a high ankle sprain.

The worst first play, the first play that I got in and I was out for three weeks and now it's during cut. Yeah. And I'm sitting there stressed out. Like, I don't know if I had enough. Yeah. You know, it's short-term memory with these guys.

No, of course. That was four weeks ago. Yeah, next up. And, you know, Billy O'Brien was our OC at the time. I knew him in high school, you know. Did you? He went to St. John's Prep. How was he?

Can I tell the truth? Yes. He was an arrogant prick. He was an arrogant prick? In high school. I mean, Billy O's. He was an arrogant prick. He was an arrogant prick? In high school. I mean, Billy O's a fiery guy. I just... Here's the thing.

I went to the public school. He went to the private school, St. John's Prep, so I resented him to begin with. And then when he wasn't friendly to me, I was like, fuck this guy. No. Yeah, he can come on. We used to call him Tea Kettle.

But I knew his wife in college. I was friends with Colleen, who was the sweetest woman. So I'm talking about how he was in high school, which a lot of football players were assholes in high school. So I'm sure he changed. But what was I going to say? No, he hasn't really. Okay.

No, he's like that asshole you like, though. Yeah, yeah. No, of course. Of course. I will say this. I respected him, and I knew how hard he worked as a player because he went to Brown. Yeah. And then he was a smart guy, and he was serious.

So I liked that. But I just, I don't know. It was probably two teenage boys who were like, yeah. He could definitely give those vibes. Yeah. But we had a mutual friend who played with me at Boston College. This guy, Mike Panosos who i don't know if you or if you met him you'd remember him he's very charming anyhow so you're in camp and oh yeah

the three-week injury and he comes up to me in the whole week of because cut day is there's a friday and then there's a week off yeah where you establish a team and it's like the turks in there just taking lives you know who wants to see you get your playbook you know that like you're sitting in the locker room and guys are just getting plucked of course so you know billy o would was messing with me like hey uh i heard buffalo's got a good third corner meaning like i was making the team yeah but i don't know if you're making the team yet and i was sitting there like i'm like a little kid i'm fucking 22 years old yeah and finally i went home and i was sitting there by my phone the whole time because they'll still call you when you go yeah and never got the

call amazing so how did you find out that just by not getting a call that's the worst that's that's worse not even worse yeah at least call me tell me i'm making it totally no they don't wow you just come in and you just. Was there anybody who was the opposite of that who was saying, keep doing what you're doing? I remember my friend Mike Power was in the Houston Oilers, and Warren Moon took him under his wing and said, you keep making those out passes because nobody else can make those ones

the sideline from the pocket, and you keep making those, you're going to stand out. And so he made it very far in the cuts. But was there anybody who was like that? Fred Taylor. Really? Remember Fred Taylor? Yeah, of course. So I didn't have a car yet.

And for training camp, there would be a 6 o'clock bus that you could take from the team hotel to the stadium. And so I'm sitting on the curb waiting for the bus, and Freddie T rolled out, and he has a cool old dope car. He's like, yo, young buck, come with me. Nice. And he brings me in there, and you can see that I'm stressed because it's such day-to-day.

There was two practices a day when I first started. You had double days. You had run game in the morning, pass in the afternoon. So you have, like, two practices that you're thinking about going into the next day, you know, because then you have to correct everything. Am I going to get cut? I didn't make that block.

I didn't make that this. Yeah. So he could see that I was going through my head. Right. And he's in a different part of his career where you know this is he's on the back nine yeah he's already a superstar right and he gets me in the car and he goes hey young buck there's a lot of ups there's a lot of downs you just got to be smooth and you'll be all right wow that's all he said he's a very very made a few words yeah that's all he said. He made a few words. Yeah.

That's all he said, and then we sat, and he started taking me to practice a bunch. But that's what I thought about. Don't get too high on the highs. Don't get too low on the lows. Yeah. But there's something about somebody with your personality and drive and humility that people want to look out for

because that makes for a good teammate personality and and drive and humility that people want to look out for because you're that that makes for a good teammate and and for a good person in the locker room to hang around with somebody who's not going to be in an ego and and so that's a that's a really great lesson and you want to be that you want to be the for the rest of your life you want to be the fred taylor to somebody's julian adamant and that and that's you know there were other players on the team you know that weren't like that sure because you know this is a blood blood work no of course there's guys there like hey you're here to take a spot yeah it wouldn't help and yeah that's once i got to where i was at yeah and i and i established a role and yeah had some success i'd always be tough with the young guys because that was when I got there,

everyone, the whole Patriot way was like making guys accountable. Right, yeah, of course you're doing them a favor. You see Teddy Bruschi working his dick off. Yeah. And if you're not, he's going to tell you you're not. Wow. And if you hear that from him, you're going to be humiliated the whole day. Wow.

You know what I mean? So, like, I would handle it where I would call guys out, but I would always pull them to the side. Like, Jacoby Myers, like, he would always have, you know, he was a young player, you know, he was an undrafted guy, and I saw that he could play. He just needed, you know, like, so I'd always bring him to the side and I'd be like, yo, don't worry about that.

They're bitching on this. You just got to do this. That's awesome, man. You know what I mean? Yeah. Because you know what he's going through. Yeah. But if there's some little arrogant asshole that comes up in your room.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah. You know, there was a few of those where I'd say, hey, bro. Yeah. They don't last. Coach ain't asking you a question. Yeah. Don't fucking talk in the room.

Wow. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let us get our work in. Yeah. Coach ain't asking you a question. Yeah. Don't fucking talk in the room. Wow. You know what I mean? Yeah. Let us get our work in. Yeah. Because there's some guys that are trying to be hands up coach. Yeah. Entertainers.

Yeah. You do that, you're kind of showing off the other rookie that probably doesn't know what's going on. So don't fucking call it out to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Make it that you're doing good because you're showing that he ain't doing good. Oh, wow. There's a whole dynamic in that thing. yeah that's fascinating anyone take you under your

wing during comedy oh yeah there were there were so many so many older guys and and even now i mean i i've he's not that much older than me but but judd apatow has been such a great mentor and guide i remember after my special aired he called me up and he said, you're feeling hungover right now, like let down and what else is there? And he said, you can get right out there and try to do even better and chase that high all over again, but it's a treadmill that you'll never get off of. The only thing that we really have that's real is is our friends and our

colleagues and in this and our families and and chasing after fame and and that lifestyle is a dead end and i remember that was so helpful because i i didn't think there was anybody else who could have said that you're feeling off after something so great happening on HBO and the premiere and all the promotion that you do in the, the interviews and somebody saying, and you don't feel that good right now when everybody's telling you, you should feel so good. That's normal. And don't try to feel good right away.

You don't have to outdo yourself. You just have to continue to do whatever you do to, to get out of bed and work hard every day, but you don't have to, to please the world do to get out of bed and work hard every day, but you don't have to please the world. There's this thing with fame, and I have friends who are involved in just having to stoke that fire all the time and keeping the public eye, and it's relentless. You have to have a really strong head on your shoulders to be able to maintain your integrity and your personality through that.

And I've heard it compared to looking straight into, I think Tom Hanks said, fame, you don't want to look it right in the eye like the sun. It can damage you. And I remember this author that I like, John Updike, said that fame is this mask that changes your face yeah or burns your face or something like that and it's a yeah it's a it's it's a double-edged sword it it affords us these incredible opportunities but it can also be poisonous it can be yeah and i can

i can relate to that from when you go out and win Super Bowls. Yeah. Like my close group around me. Yeah. You have your people that see the real you always because when you're a person under a microscope, you're having to be on always. Yeah.

Especially when you leave the house for anyone. You're at the gas station. Yes. But I would get into these, like, we would call it the Super Bowl saddies. Oh, wow. Because you go all year. Yeah. And for that one goal, and you would achieve that goal,

and, like, you're already thinking about the next year and how much harder it's going to be to attain that goal and like you're already thinking about the next year and how much harder it's going to be to attain that goal again because whenever you have success now you're america's most wanted yeah they're they're going to play their hardest there's a lot more studying going into your game there people are watching you more you know they want to see right if you could do you know so yeah there's those expectations and those standards that you know you're sitting there like man fuck we got to do it again now you know they want to see right if you could do you know so yeah there's those expectations and those standards that you know you're sitting there like man fuck we gotta do it again now you know and there are only three or four people on the planet who understand how you're feeling you can't go to just to anybody and say i won the super bowl last week i'm kind of feeling kind of

glum yeah it's true yeah you know wow and then you feel bad because you're not happy because you just went out. Yeah, of course. Yeah, there's guilt involved. You feel bad because like, am I just a miserable fuck? No, no, not at all. You're a human being. Yeah. Gary, do you think if you played football in like now generation that you would have,

or sports in general, would have kind of stuck with it further, like with how people in mental health is a little bit more open in sports now. Yeah. It's interesting. It's, it's possible. The only thing is that I, I think that in order for me to have succeeded, I needed to get that confidence that Julian was talking about earlier. And, and that was a big big what was interesting was when i stopped playing football and and went to the coach he insisted that i that i stick it out and i was like but i'm like the worst player on the on the team but there's something to depression that is that is telling you you're the worst player on the on the team and and and so with it without that aspect, the confidence, and physically I could jump higher, run faster than everyone

at the tight end position, but mentally I felt like a grasshopper, that I was incompetent, I was incapable, and I would get overwhelmed. One of the things, I don't know if this ever happened to you, but I would get to the line of scrimmage knowing the, the snap count and then fuck it up. Cause I was so, I was so anxious and we'd have to run and everybody, and I was like, look at me, I'm, I'm in incompetent. And it, and it just, it builds on itself. And I, and I think i think so so it's it's possible that there's a that there's a universe where i was able to get my confidence back and feel that way but i don't

i think it was more likely that i that i made a a an informed decision i don't know i i i still have i still have dreams about it it's funny at 53 i still have dreams about things that happened when i was 18 or 19 years old and they have better results no it. It's funny. At 53, I still have dreams about things that happened when I was 18 or 19 years old, and they have better results. No, it's a different generation. I worked with a sports therapist when I was going. Yeah, that was like in its infancy when I was playing, and I did have a really good therapist at the college who had worked with other athletes,

and it was literally a lifesaver i used to work with i think someone in college and then i you know and then i was having some stuff going on off the field that was starting to like mess with my game oh wow you know what i mean like because you're thinking about this of course yeah so then that's when i started seeing a therapist in providence i go over this that like the oldest ward in the country. What's it called? That one over in Providence? Oh, I don't know.

But there's like an old one. Near Federal Hill? It was scary every time I went because it was always dark. Oh, wow. But I go see my doc over there. And it helped me because it just allowed me to open up. And it was in infancy in the league at that time. Sure.

I was the only guy in the league at that time sure the only guy in the team doing it wow now it's you know there's a lot of a lot more resources because the information right you know so you know i i needed someone to help me you know even i come off sometimes as a confident strong like everyone needs someone no of course you know yeah it doesn't have to be a therapist could be a friend it could be yeah but it just got to be someone that can you can bounce for a long time i'm sure your father was part of that was my dad yeah yeah that was my dad yeah it was just different practices well you and your dad talked to a rabbi weekly now too yeah we speak to our way

what's your rabbi's name rabbi hamilton oh wow what a. What a great Hollywood. William Hamilton. That's amazing. Out of Boston. I have a very close friend who's a rabbi. And man, I can talk to them for hours, right? They know everything. Knows everything. And they're also so informed about other religions and philosophies.

They are. And history. And it's really, they're really special people and resources for great wisdom. Great wisdom and great perspective. Yes. Yes. We always, we study the Torah and we'll take little, he'll have his little passages and what we're going over each week

and educate each other, but he'd be able to break it down. That's wonderful. What a great time in life to explore that. Because for me, it was from the time I was 8 until 13, and I couldn't appreciate what I was being given. I mean, I did enjoy a lot of the history lessons and a lot of the a lot of the the history lessons and a lot of the the the um rituals and things like that but also i wanted to look out the window and and be outside a lot during hebrew

school but i i think it's it's so incredibly valuable to have to have the the lessons in in in faith at this point in our lives definitely when. When we're grappling with, especially as a dad. You're more interested now. Yes. As a kid. Yeah, totally. Totally. There's so many things.

You want to be playing. When I was a kid, it was Atari. Atari 2600. I saw your bit. You know, kids playing sports, you're competing

with the best video games. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That one joke. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, that was the 1985 AFC Championship game. Oh yeah., yeah, yeah. That was a joke. Yeah. Oh, my gosh. Well, that was the 1985 AFC Championship game. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah.

We were here to talk about something. I can't remember what it was. No. You know, this just gives us an excuse. We wanted to explore you. Come on over. I really appreciate that, man. I was so looking forward to this.

I didn't want to fanboy out or anything like that, but you've brought me so much joy over the years and were such a refreshing personality in New England sports. And every interview I've seen you give, and when I was a guest of a friend who was on the Seth Meyers show, and it was right after one of the biggest moments of your life, and you were just so humble and took a picture with me, and I remember thinking, this is a really real guy and a nice guy and a humble guy

who is very compelling in terms of your personality and the way you came off with Seth and everything like that. You're very lovable. No, I appreciate that. Okay. Well, hopefully you can take it in. I know it's hard for men to appreciate compliments from other men. Nah.

I don't know you that much. And here you could tell you have a very contagious. You're warm. You're exploring. I'm a warm, sensitive person. You person so very kind eyes we are i do have very kind eyes kyler oh my gosh you guys are great did we miss anything yeah we got a couple stuff for corrections um i'd be remiss if we don't talk about tony franklin the barefoot cooker that was on this team. Also, Julian, you mentioned the Red Sox won a World Series in 2003. It was actually 2004.

Barry Sanders won his Heisman in 1988. And then Tony Easton, he finished second in Heisman voting. He lost to Michigan's Anthony Carter, and he earned the nickname Champagne Tony because he did play for the University of Illinois. And then also Dancing with the Stars winners, we had Emmitt Smith, Donald Driver, Heinz Ward, and Rashad Jennings. Jerry didn't get one?

Did Jerry not win? I don't think Jerry won. He was good, though. Wow. He could cut the rug. He could really move. And then one more. In the 1976 Patriots, you mentioned, went 11-3 and lost 24-21 to the Raiders

in the divisional round. It was a bad roughing the passer call on the pats against Kenny Stabler on a third and 18 that was panned as a bad call. Oh, yeah. It's become known as the Ben Dreth game. That was the ref, right?

Oh, shit. When? Wait, we say that again? What? The ref game? It's called the Ben Dreth game, who was the ref because the Patriots lost because of a bad roughing the passer.

In what year? 1976. Did he murder him? Probably. I mean, how do you get a roughing the passer? Like, I've seen some of those hits. Yeah. Those hits were gnarly.

Yeah. 1970s. Sacks. Jack Lambert, no teeth. Oh, my gosh. Jack Lambert and O'Teefe. Oh, my gosh. Four-arming people. He was awesome, man. He went to Kent State, my school.

Oh, wow. And so did Thurman Munson, right? I think so. Yeah. And Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal, Drew Carey. Nick Saban. Oh, I didn't know that.

Who? Nick Saban. Nick Saban. Lou Holtz. Wow. Lou Holtz. Wow. Michael Keaton.

We got Batman. The National Guard. They were there. We got Batman. The National Guard. They were there on May 4th, 1970. They were definitely there. Rough one. It used to be the biggest party day, though. Really? Yeah, it was like we used to celebrate it.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I could see that. Shermania, they called it. Oh. Because there was a street called Sherman Street. Wow. Shermania on May 4th. Wow.

Kent State Golden Flashes. So you just wrote your book, a memoir? Yeah, it's a memoir of kindergarten through 12th grade, but includes a nice chapter on Hebrew school. Does it? Yeah, that I think you would find very funny because my contention is that Hebrew school and then

Jewish summer camp is this opportunity for Jewish boys to be around Jewish girls without Gentile boys competing for their love. The Jewish boys were able to stand out a little bit and run the bases a little bit easier.

Sometimes you gotta load load the deck i got one last point too on the one last point um so i had the pleasure of screening uh your special that's streaming now on on max when we release it'll be yeah yeah no no i get it and uh i can play that game you talk a lot about the the lack of Jewish hockey players in the Hall of Fame. And as a hockey player myself and a general well-wisher of the Jewish people, I'd be remiss if I didn't call out some amazing young Jews that are playing in the NHL right now. No, I agree.

But I will say that I was talking in 1978. Now the Hughes brothers are really special. And Adam Fox. Yes, and Adam Fox. These guys will probably make the Hall of Fame and make my joke dated. But I was talking in 1978 to my dad, and I was playing hockey, and he said, let's see how many Jewish players there are in the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Because, you know, as a Jew, we really cling to the athletes who stand out, the Sandy Koufaxes and the Hank Rebergs and the Julian Edelmans and the Dolph Chasers. And so my dad said, okay, there are zero Jewish players in the Hockey Hall of Fame. And he said, just for a point of comparison, Gar, more Jews have been the Messiah than have made the Hockey Hall of Fame.

He said, you're more likely to walk on water than you are to skate on it, holding the Stanley Cup. So we know where you got your comedic talent from. That's a good joke. It was a good joke. My dad was a very good laugher also, which helped. My dad, I think nobody would be more prouder of me than my dad, Phil Gellman, was a really special guy.

He was a very kind, affectionate, generous man who really believed in his son. So, yeah. It sounds like a mensch. He was really a mensch. Yes, the true definition of a mensch. Yeah. Wow.

Yeah, I was really fortunate. I love dad-son talk. Yeah. I gotta get dad. How do you feel about biscuits? Hi, I'm Akilah Hughes, and I'm so excited about my new podcast, Rebel Spirit, where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits.

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disagree and still be in relationships with each other. All that on the Happiness Lab. Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. Now we got a segment. Let's segue this bad boy to the scoring the game presented by win bet. The name of the game is squish the fish. We go through and we grade the steak star power gameplay name and we total up. We get the average and we see where it ranks within the games that we've done already, Gary.

Okay. So the stakes of this game, this is to go to the Super Bowl, zero to ten decimals. All right. What do you think we should give this? I think it's an 8.8. 8.8. Yeah.

It's a very fair. See, that's another thing that I felt about you. You're a fair man. Yeah, this is a team that never made the Super Bowl and had never won in this stadium in 18 years. That's a generation, I think, in some cultures. Yeah, that's a very honest answer, great answer, because we did have potentially maybe our next president come on here

and just start screwing up all the scores. Mark Cuban, we had him. Oh, wow. You know he's running right now. Is he running? We'll see. That's what it says. We'll see.

I'd watch the spinoff series. Yeah, and he went on, put everything 10, and ruined the whole scoring program. So back to Star Power. What was his game? Mavs Heat. Game 5. Oh, okay. That was a great game. Dirk. It was his game? Mavs Heat Game 5. Oh, okay.

That was a great game. Dirk. It was okay. Dirk, second half. Star Power in this game, though, Gary. All right, so we had Dan Marino. Andre Tippett. Andre Tippett.

Don Shula. Don Shula. It's kind of down the middle. We've done Pro Bowls, like, you know, five Hall of Famers a part of this game. Right. I mean, you had Hanna, but he didn't have that star. I mean, it's probably a 72.

7.2. 7.2. Very fair scoring here. Very. And game play? Game play. I mean, the running game was extraordinary, I think, for the Patriots. Marino obviously had a bad game throwing,

so I mean, I'll give it overall an 8.0. 8.0. And the name, Squish the Fish. Well, I mean, in terms of accuracy, it has no accuracy, but what rhymes with mammal? Camel? No, see, it's a verb we would need a verb to do do the to the trample the mammal but that doesn't rhyme that's not a that's maybe a sample the mammal a slant rhyme but that that would have never taken off but squish the fish

is very memorable and the image image was Patriot destroying the dolphin, which is kind of a hate crime when you think of how lovely the dolphin community is. One of the only animals that have sex for fun. Yeah. And I'm going to give it an 8.7 for the name. What is our total? 8.175. Where does it stand in the games? For the name. Yeah. What is our total? 8.175.

Where does it stand in the games? It fits between the 2011 AFC Divisional Round, the Can't Wait game, Jets-Patriots we did with Rich Eisen, and the 2007 Fiesta Bowl, Thatcher Liberty game with Boise State, Oklahoma, and the Super Bowl 27 Cowboys. Eisen's a lot of fun. Love Eisen. Yeah. Julian, who is the like your closest

longest friend like do you have any friends you were friends with in grade school yeah yeah my boy kurt oh man he lives out here he went out he actually he got he took a job in boston so like my first seven years there i was away from all you know everyone out here and then he moved out there oh that's i know he's back and i must have had a blast yeah he was uh and we we became friends my mom was babysitting his older sister you know before we were born we became friends like that's so special it's great when you have i have a friend my friend jason her which we've been friends since sixth grade and um and we have these like setups to jokes 45 years old, he'll just say a name. Look at somebody who looks like somebody we haven't seen in 40 years.

Language. You guys have a language together. We have a language. Yes, that's the exact right way to put it. And I'm so grateful. I'm in a text group with like seven, eight of my friends from high school. Oh, really? Oh, that's awesome.

Yeah, we stay pretty connected that's a great feeling and then also you know our generation i play video games here and there and that's another way for us to communicate oh that's right get on and yeah gets at the headsets yeah oh that's really cool you know i i stayed close with those guys you know that's great to hear now all your friends are your kids friends right so oh yeah yeah yeah yeah i've heard about that yeah yeah hold back until you know yeah we miss anything i already do we miss anything no we didn't miss anything i think i got it i got across my admiration for julian and you lived up to every expectation i had in terms of your hand your hang uh hangout

ability and uh you're the real deal man so don't so are you man i don't change that uh plug born on third base is now streaming on max and then my book misfit this is this is great this is a great this is an excellent podcast i'm so honored and grateful that you had me on so so you say thank you gary i say thank you julian kyler yeah leah sorry leah how do i forget the princess it's just leah yeah thank you thank you thank you gary well that was that was a good episode i wasn't there for the interview but man y'all killed it you know kyler met his new best friend they were these guys hit it off a little bit of a fanboy on Gary. I feel like my heart got warmer.

He's very kind. Nice guy. I feel like I just got shot in the heart with careness. I don't know, man. You know, he kept on giving me the eyes of like, he didn't want to get. I've seen his act. I've seen his act. Okay, we all know Gary Goldman. Okay, you know, he's the self-defeater.

I saw that, and he like didn't want to turn it on for me. Oh, man. He wanted to be strong. He wanted to be. But then it made me vulnerable. Low-key therapy session for a few minutes there. It felt like the vulnerability clicked together. I loved it.

And as you know, we have the hotline up and running. 424-291-2290. Hit me on the, what is it? What's the Drake? Hotline bling. Hotline bling. And then there's also Pretty Ricky, a lesser known one that was on the hotline. Remember that one?

Pretty Ricky, Ricky, Ricky. And this week, Pretty Ricky. This week, we are checking our messages for suggestions on what you all think we should name the studio. We're casting a wide net here you can comment ig twitter youtube everywhere you're calling of course tiktok anywhere i'm scouring the comments so first and foremost we'll kick this off with some suggestions from the comment section first we got the gladiator studio from rd six hawk five nine nine gladiator Gladiator Studio from RD6Hawk. RD. 599. D's nuts. Gladiator. That just brought me back to like Dayball walking down the hallway.

He always tried to get you the D's nuts comment. Dayball was a D's nuts guy? Full D's nuts. Wow. Makes me like him even more. Dayball, we're preparing for the AFC championship. I'm not trying to talk about D's nuts. Dude, he just gets cooler and cooler.

And then Chris Long would get up and he was also, he'd be like, hey, you heard about Jamal? I'm like, what are you talking about? Who? Jamal who? Can I jam all this cock in your mouth? Dude, I can't even go to Wendy's anymore with the boys. Oh, you like Wendy's?

Wendy's nuts go in your mouth, you know? I've heard them all what was another whatever let's keep going on the oh man glad the edel den from buck honcho that was in the youtube comments i like that that's got a good ring to it yeah we got the film room from cole miller 3934 i feel like that's been used yeah a little down the middle straight line but we do watch film in here. This film room. The House of Jewels.

House of Jewels. Is solid. That could almost just be, that could apply to the entire. That's Jess Little, 7-1-1-0. Shout out, Jess Little. I like that one. The spit pit's kind of good. The spit pit is pretty good from Clima 1.5 chains.

Clima? Clima? Explain the spit pit to me. Like, spitting what's happening here i think we're dipping baby oh we're dipping and spitting baby there we go hey we do not recommend this for any of our users this is a terrible habit this is a pd psd or you're self-medicating psa psa This is an after school special baby This is a PSA On not picking up bad habits So all you kids out there This is bubble gum

And then we Kyler and I I think all of us here in the room Gotta put our brains together And The brojo That's been used when Dola brains together and uh the brojo the brojo that's that's been used when uh dola dola's he's a brojo guy he used to call the ping pong room downstairs of his house that was unfinished

we've already talked about this i think on this podcast but it was unfinished and i kid you not there was probably 300 tins of copagen. Just thrown out. Bubble gum. Bubble gum. That was the real spit pit. We'd be spitting because it was unfinished. It was all cement. It was like we were in Russia

playing crazy ping pong. Spitting on the walls. Sweat. A little freaking Bose fucking speaker. Feet just sticking to the floor No we were sliding It was kind of clay because it was cement It's like the French Open It was cement

But there was so much dust and dirt That you would slide Right on it It was fun Let's get back to the break We'll save the brojo for unfinished basement We got the game room. We got the game room.

A little down the middle. But, you know. This one from Arman Asaf. The judio instead of the studio. The judio. It's kind of tight. A little polarizing. Kind of tight.

Kind of tight. The room where Jules dominates in pool. Still have yet to get a dub off you, brother. Yeah, but I'm not the dominant. That's a little wordy. If anyone's out there listening i actually want to hire a pool coach okay i'm coachable sometimes i'm on and then sometimes i'm off i don't know where i'm hitting it on the ball correctly or if i am some you know like

sometimes i'm dialed but it's too inconsistent and i don't know my mistake From when I hit my mistake So then I can't make a correction in my head So pool people out there Yo hit me up in the DMs need a pool coach Is the Black Widow as a listener Come over I said that last night did I not Black Widow

Dude she rocks But also I think the real reason this is happening Because Kurt Jules' friend has been stepping his game up significantly He's been running the table Yeah I've been running the table. Yeah, he's been running the table. We split last night. A little bit of contention. A sturdy boy.

All right, you want to hear it? Casa de la Rosa. Casa de la Rosa. Casa de la Rosa. All right, let's hear some of these. Spring 2024 line dropping soon. In tier designs, guys. All right, let's crack open some of these voice notes.

Let's hear these voice notes. First off, Jules, thank you for everything you've done in New England. But I see you need a name for your studio, and I think the best option for you is Edelnuts Nuthouse. So if that's an option, you guys go with that. At least give me a shout-out on air. But, hey, Jules, thank you for everything you've done, man. You have been an absolute icon in

new england a god amongst men some will say so thank you julian for everything you put on the field everything you sacrificed for you know some of us just wish you were still out there trying to make our team a little bit better but yeah edel nuts nut house what you need to do jack will you stop having your friends call that was That was not my boy, I swear. That glazing was crazy, Bill. He was glazing you up, bro. But the real takeaway, Nuthouse. Nuthouse.

Nuthouse is decent. Edelknots Nuthouse sounds like it could be a good franchisable restaurant, too. It is kind of nutty in here. It is. A lot of wood tones. There's a lot of wood tones. I mean, if you were to cut into a middle of a nut,

and you know like those old like cartoons where they go in like the brain and like you see i don't know which one was that there was some i don't know regardless this is what it looked like probably in the middle of a nut it would yes yeah that's a good one i like that one we'll consider that guy's name he didn't leave one he didn't leave one well shout out shout out to that guy. That blazer. He asked for a shout out. I can't give you a shout out. You know.

Hey, yeah, this is Gustavo, the girl's father. I'm from Texas. Gustavo's father. The great name for the studio would be The Outhouse because you're going to talk your shit, spin the shit, talking about the old shit, the new shit, every shit, all the shit, about the old shit the new shit

every shit all the shit you know fuck it you know that's how it's supposed to be especially when you're tired you're chilling on it

your dad or your uncle brother son whatever always it's a good place to go

talk the shit also known as the outhouse yeah outhouse not bad dude Outhouse, not bad. Dude, Gustavo bringing the heat. The outhouse is pretty cool. Gustavo's father.

I like this guy. That's an internet transcription. They're not perfect. Oh, okay. We haven't got to a final form of AI yet. I like thinking that it is Gustavo's father, though. This guy rocks. The outhouse is cool.

Then who's Gustavo? The outhouse? I don't know. Fuck, yeah. Outhouse is fun. Gustav. Isn't that the guy from Beauty and the Beast? Gustav.

Gustav. Gustav. All right, let's hit another one. Gustavo's father. Good one. Hey, Jules, big fan. Man. Big, big fan.

Appreciate it. Appreciate you a lot. Recommendation for your new studio, I mean, you are the squirrel, like squirrel man. So I would probably recommend the squirrel cave, like

bat cave. Just a thought. Squirrel cave. I like it. Squirrel cave. I like it. Squirrels don't live in caves. Yeah, it's a little clunky too. But hey, Batman had a cave. But bats live in caves. What do squirrels live in?

Trees. Treehouse? Squirrel treehouse? Squirrel treehouse? The treehouse? We do look woody. It could be the treehouse. If you cut a tree, like we could be in a big tree in here.

Like all this wood grain. The lights coming through little holes. We might be onto treehouse. If you cut a tree, like we could be in a big tree in here. Like all this wood grain. The lights coming through little holes. We might be onto something here. That will gang dash, man. All right, let's do another one. Hey, fellas. Love to see that we're back. Name for the studio, I feel like if we're not calling it the Hall of Games,

then we're doing ourselves a disservice here. This is Phil from New Hampshire. Love you, Jules. What did he say? Hall of Games. I didn't hear that. The Hall of Games. The Hall of Games.

It's regal. Some would say too regal. I was going to say. It's like a wing in Canton. The Hall of Games. Yeah. It's like the wing in Canton. The Hall of Games. Yeah. It's like the boy watch. The boy watch.

The Hall of Games. Okay. Well, that's what we got. That's some good stuff. Appreciate the calls. Yeah. Let's kind of whittle it down to three and maybe put a Twitter poll or Insta poll. What are we thinking?

Maybe five. Five. Five. Okay. Okay. If it's five, Nuthouse. Nuthouse is up there. Gustavo's father.

It's got a double meaning. Yeah, Nuthouse. Because we are nutty. What did he say? Edelnut Nuthouse? Edelnut's Nuthouse. Those would be good on t-shirts,

I feel like. Just go Nuthouse. Okay. Simplify it. I like the Spit Pit. Spit Pit's good. Spit Pit. Sneaky, sneaky good.

Edelden's good. Edelden. Hall of Games. You got to give one boring straight line. We'll give them Regal. The Judio. The Judio. Yeah, we got to give us offs in there too.

All right. Stay tuned for the poll soon. Stay tuned for the poll. Leave comments. The House of Jewels. I like it. i like the suggestion it just reminds me too much of the family jewels i know you probably heard that a million times um so many every little kid used to think they were so funny when i first meet him that i'd be like, hey, my name's Julian. People call me Jules. I'm like, family Jules. Like, what the fuck?

God. Yeah, dude. Family Jules. I'm like balls. Got him. Well, what an episode. Thanks again to Gary. That was a fun episode.

It was awesome to get to know him a little bit. And that's been another episode of Games with Names presented by Winbet. Remember to follow Games with Names on YouTube, Instagram, X, TikTok, and Snapchat. We will see you all next week, guys. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio. What happens when a professional football player's career ends and the applause fades and the screaming fans move on?

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