Games with Names - Super Bowl XLII with Jay Glazer | Giants vs. Patriots

Episode Date: June 10, 2025

Jay Glazer is in studio! The legendary NFL insider and MMA aficionado joins us to relive one of the biggest upsets in Super Bowl history: Super Bowl XLII. Jay joins us on the couch (02:41). We go back to February 2008 (41:08). We get into the teams (01:06:39). We dive into the game (01:14:35). We score it (01:21:41). We have a special celebrity sports fan edition of Starting Five in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (01:39:42). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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were using their pen as a weapon. I said, you know, I'm going to start relationships, which was taboo back then. I was told, no, you're not friends or players. I'm like, I got more in common with them than I do with you. And I got murdered for doing that. I became the first guy to start relationships

with players, coaches, front-offers. And I'm like, this is the way I'm going to do it. We only have a couple of times in our lives that you really find out who the f*** you are. And this is one for me because I said this time I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna be different no matter what. I'm not working by it. It doesn't matter what I have to do. And that call that came in from my agent, I was like, man that validated me that I was right. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering Super Bowl XLII again.

Giants vs. the Patriots with the original insider, MMA aficionado and my Fox teammate Jay Glazer. And we get into talking his friendship with Michael Strahan. Who's your best friend? Well, my baby sister. Who's your baby sister? Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan. How he has the only copy of Spygate. Velichick called, he's like, hey man, I got something for you.

No, I'm just f***ing you guys. My head almost exploded. And what it's like to party at the NFL owners meetings. Because it was Ray Bull, Billy O'Brien, Doug Marrone, and those guys were like two old guys from the Muppets. They were classic. And we're picking our starting five celebrity sports fans in this week's Chill Zone brought to you by Coors Light.

You gotta stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games with names a production of iHeartRadio. February 3rd 2008 University of Phoenix Stadium Glendale Arizona. Down four, third and five, minute and 15 left. Perfection on the line. Eli Manning scrambles, and he throws up a prayer to David Tyree. This is the David Tyree game. Jake Lazer. Appreciate it. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at Super Bowl 42.

Again. Giants versus the Patriots. February 3rd, 2008. The 18-1 giant game with Jay Glazer. Welcome to the studio, bro. I don't mean to give you like PTSD by coming on talking about this, dude. I mean, I talk a lot about mental health now,

so if you wanna just open up to me, I got you. I got you covered. I don't have to because I didn't play on this team. I am associated with team and I am part of the organization. So it doesn't hurt me quite as bad as the 11 one because I was on that team. So regardless, talking about a Giants Patriots

is hurtful. Yes, right. Yeah, yeah. So welcome to the NUT House, Jay. Thanks for coming. In one sentence, why this game? My best friend won it. Your best friend won it.

Who's your best friend? Well, my baby sister. Who's your baby sister? Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan. Michael Strahan. Is this the greatest game of all time? I don't know if I ever like to go that greatest, whatever. I mean, the wildest shit I've ever seen in my life.

I remember also, so listen, we did this game at Fox and there's a couple of things I remember. Number one, I'm out there on the field before him and Alicia Keys is warming up and I go over to start messing with Australian, but Michael's like in the zone. Fuck that dude, there's Alicia Keys. Like dude, there's Alicia. He's like, will you leave me the fuck alone?

I'm like, dude, there's Alicia Keys. Look at Alicia Keys. He's like, dude. He's like, leave me alone. It was just, but I remember also, turning to the PR director of the Time for the Giants, Peter John Baptiste, who's now with the Browns, and I said, I think you guys are going to win this,

and I think Eli's going to be the MVP. And the reason why is he's out there, shoop, shoop, shoop, throwing bolts. Everybody out there, even like Stray, who we would normally fuck around, he's locked in. And the Patriots, they're going to hate that I say this, but I remember it feeling like it was a fun trip right because the Giants weren't supposed to be there now and

The Giants were like this is a business trip and this is a we came to we came to shock the world And I just remember seeing like, you know, some of the Patriots players the kids are running around on the field They're having some fun for you. That was not like that for the Giants at all and then early in a game Yeah, go ahead. Let's jump into the game. We'll jump into the game. Is this a- You gotta corral my ADHD here, brother. Is this the greatest game of all time?

I don't have ADHD, I got LLMNOP, I'm so far gone. So if this isn't the greatest game of all time, give me your top two, just the three that come to your head right now. It could be in any sport. It could be a fight, it could be a wrestling match, it could be- The best fight, well, one I loved the most was Hagler-Herns. Hagler-Herns.

That would be an insane game to do or fight to do. That was an absolute melee for the first. Like it was just. Did Bill Burr say that? Bill Burr said that too. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, just that was great. We had Herns come talk to or Hagler come talk to us once. Come on Yeah, look, he's from brockton. He's from brockton. Yeah, yeah, and then he moved he lived in italy. I think he just passed He was like a movie star. Yeah. Yeah, man. I love that. That was that okay, so that's Probably up there for me um

Man, i've been around so many crazy mma fights um, I think the best fight though I saw MMA wise was Robbie Lawler against Rory McDonald because like Robbie Lawler just kind of make a decision at the end of the third round. He got kicked in his face, spit blood, stood up, walked at Rory who's kicking his ass the whole time and all of a sudden he was like oh fuck yeah this is changing and it's just and whenever I you know coach guys in mixed martial arts forever and players I would always use that you make a decision and you move forward and that is that yeah

And that's like the example I've always used as far as football games go. It's got to be up there It's crazy. It's it is yes David vs. Goliath. Yeah, I mean there's just the Tyree catch itself. It's just a very catch Giants come out on top. We see. I was going to say 28 to three, man. Blah, blah, blah. But all right. You were talking.

Hey, I'll tell you this to the 28 to three game. So we're in the, we did that game too. And Stray and I brought Usher with us. So wait, before him, the NFC championship game. So we were in Mexico with Usher team drop, and we, Michael and I did this thing where Usher was performing the next night, and we're like, dude, we're doing shots, and he's like, I can't do shots, man,

I'm performing tomorrow night. We're like, stop being a fucking wuss. You're doing shots with us. So we're doing shots with him, but Michael and I are just doing water. And we gave Usher probably 14 shots of tequila. We fucked him up so bad. He was beyond cross, I don't know how he performed

the next night, but during that night he's like, hey, if the Falcons make the NFC Championship game, I want to come be with you guys on the sideline. So I said, you can do it, you got to be my fucking sideline assistant. I'm going to wear you out, right? And we didn't really think the Falcons were going to make the NFC Championship game. Sure as shit, they make it. So hey, a deal's a deal. I'm like, hey you out, right? And we didn't really think the Falcons were going to make the NFC Championship game.

Sure as shit, they make it. So, hey, a deal's a deal. I'm like, hey, you come down, we're going to get you a pass, sideline pass, but you got to be my sideline assistant. And he's walking around, my little fucking Red Bull, and my makeup, and pads, and I was literally doing stuff just to fuck it. I'd like put something over here, and I'd be like,

bam! And you have to run over and get it, and walk over and get it and walk over and tell people who's my assistant. At one point we're on the air and I call him Moskowitz. My ex-girlfriend asked if Usher was his real name. I said, no, it's actually Usher Moskowitz. He was raised by Jews, which obviously is not,

but I just said it. And so I call him Moskowitz forever. So he comes on live TV and he tries to pat my head. I said, Moskowitz What are you doing? And the whole world's like why is he calling Usher Moskowitz? So that's anyway, there's the ADD. So later on that 28 to 3 game Harry Long obviously is going nuts because Chris is playing His plane is losing 28 to 3 and Usher comes in our green room and he is celebrating and comes into our green room and he is celebrating and fucking Herman Munster, the bolts on his neck start lighting up in the veins.

Who's Herman Munster? Howie Law. Oh, okay, okay, okay. Hate starts going in the veins and he's like, and we're like, no, no, get out, get out. We're like, Oscar, get the fuck out. Howie's about to murder you. This is full broken arrow Howie right here. This is full Broken Arrow Howie right here. This is full, yes, anyway, that was a 28-3 game.

But this game, it was just, it wasn't, it's just a Tyree thing itself. But dude, I don't know, because your catch, two in that 28-3 game, man, that, I don't know, which is more of an insane catch. I don't know what's more of an insane catch. First down. We all talked about Tyrees,

but also that catch you had dude is just, I just saw it again recently. And I'm like, how the fuck did that little squirrel catch onto that thing? Hold on, it's unbelievable. They're both very, very entertaining games. Did you realize, like, did you always know you had it the whole time?

Or did you, you did? It's like miked up. No, I know that, but did you, like when you're going down. I didn't think I had it the whole time, but when I saw it right before and I snatched it, like after that I was like, yeah, I fully got that. So you didn't think the ground hit?

Never, never, you knew. You always kind of know that. It's kind of like tennis and serves. Like, you know, like with the servers, like sometimes the eye can't see it, but those tennis players know. Nah, that shit's wild. That's a horrible fucking comparison.

I think it's perfect. Dude, a tennis serve, as to what you did, are you shit me? They have a million tennis serves, dude. I'm talking about the judgment, if I made the call or not. The catch or not. Oh, okay.

You know what I mean? You made it just one of one. No, I know, but I mean, I'm talking about, like, the actual scenario of, like like when judgment isn't in, did you make the catch or not? Is it in or is it out? Does it slow down for you? Or is it, is it?

I don't really remember. Okay, here's a question for you. Let's say you're in a scenario where like, you know you didn't catch it, but it's close. Now, coaches may be thinking about challenging it. Do you go to the coach and like, don't challenge that? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Or not just like take the coach and go, I can't challenge that. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Or not just think it's you. Yeah, you can't lose a timeout. How much trouble do you get into if you try and sell them that it was a catch and it wasn't? Let's just say there's been plenty of speeches and references. There's been plenty of speeches and references that we will not jump into this podcast of how they were

delivered by the person they were delivered by but getting back to regular life yes this okay you were just at the owners meetings well what's going on with that you're always like yeah I wanted to hear about like give us a why are you there one because I fucking work for, two, how do you get everyone in one area? Right. And how do you become the party planner for all the head coaches? And number three, how was it?

Okay, so that's the 18th annual J Glazer, Mike Tomlin did drink a day. 18th annual. I never really talked about this. Hi. And, right, hi. And what we started doing years ago, so when you become a head coach in the NFL,

you're in a club. You're in a club. But also you have no idea what's about to come across your desk. So you know how fucked up everybody is in your locker room, okay, for the most part, somewhat. But when you're an assistant coach, you don't know. And all of a sudden this stuff comes across your desk.

You could have five psychology and psychiatry degrees, it will not prepare you. Because you find out how, listen, you can't be on this level and not be fucked up, right? You gotta be crazy to be great. And now you're dealing with the craziness of these players, front office, coaches, scouts, wives. Travel.

Everything. Everything. Everything's on the head coach's table. And all of a sudden it's like, boom, this is on you. So we started doing this just to teach these cats, hey, this is about to come across your desk and be ready. But also I want to connect everybody. Wait a minute.

So they can lean into each other. Jay, are you basically saying, you know how we have the rookie symposium that NFL puts on? Pretty much. You made the coaches symposium by Jay Glazer for these coaches to show them how to deal with the responsibilities of a head coach. And also we should call this something. We call it the annual Jay Glaze Mike Tomlin Day Drink a Day.

We need t-shirts or something. We were thinking about that. SeanG. Lay's Mike Talman Day Drink a Day. We need t-shirts or something. We were thinking about that, yeah. Sean McVeigh, John Lynch are on the board. Are like the special teams coaches, the fall guys there, you know, like, hey. No, because it's only head coaches. Yeah. It's still the owners meeting, the owners, presidents,

head coaches, GMs. If a head coach needs something, do they hit up like one of the, hey, yo, I'm over at this hotel. Get us that bottle of whiskey I told you about, but even like, you come over and they like look into the party like, man, that's where all the big dogs are. Cause Andy Reed goes, he's beer bonging something. Hey, get out of here. Oh, see. But it's so it's less information is power, but also like these guys,

a lot of times don't know again, it's like hard to ask an assistant coach for advice. I think now more than ever you need help, you need communications, you need a team. So if you don't know what you're doing, you can't ask your offense coordinator, how do I handle this? You can ask another head coach,

so that was part of the thing too. I want to bond guys together so they can lean on each other and go, hey man, how would you handle this? How have you handled that? And it's been fantastic. And again again we've done it for 18 years He gets some really cool relationships But also like I have a different relationship than all the other guys always have and now who's the coolest hang of the coaches? They're all great. It's all the shit that we say over there

Insider is hilarious. So like so Sean McVeigh last year gets up and says to Nick Sirianni straight up, Nick, I think I speak on behalf of all of us, we all have a problem with your in-game etiquette. Right straight to it, right? And we start laughing, Nick's like, what are you talking about, man, I got fined a quarter of a million dollars for what happened to me last year.

And Sean Payton says, what are we talking about? I got fined eight million, fuck out of here. So the shit we say, but like Andy Reid this year is like why don't why do I not getting by that? So because you don't drink he goes well, that's not fair to me. I said it's fair point, okay But it's it's such a cool fraternity that we build. Oh my god tells Andy we got we got those chicken It's a really I love Andy so cool. Remember we went to the practice of super remember Yeah, he's the best that was the first time I really met him outside the game. Really? Yeah. And I fucking loved him. He pulled me in and poked me. You know, he was fucking with me like a coach.

He was just fucking cool. He's everybody's favorite uncle. It's like, you don't want to disappoint him. Yeah. Now who's got the aux cord out of the coaches? Who's playing the music? I think it's, that's a good question. No, because we're at a place, so it's their music. So every hotel, by the way, Kevin O'Connell, he is our, we gave him a board position too, he's our secretary of stuff. Secretary, he's got to get the shit.

He's got a secretary of stuff. Because he's not in the Super Bowl club yet. He's the secretary of stuff. So like Sirianni technically got more pool than KOC. Yeah, he's good. No, no, he's not on the board. He's not on the board. He's been to a couple.

He's not on the board. But Lynch is on the board and he's the only GM that really comes. Because it's only head coaches, right? Because he's just different. But yeah, we created boards just because this whole thing is fucking silly and stupid. So it's like, well, as Tomlin says, it's like, dude, it's like we started the fraternity from old school. Guys are like, he's like, I'm at like, at pro days and guys are like, hey, when is it?

What day, where are we going? He's like, what the fuck have we started? Like, we're just being us. You're my boy Blue. Fucking Tomlin comes in. Mike T's the coolest. Mike T is as cool as you got. This is what I think.

Mike Tomlin jumps in out of a van with a mask on, pulls in fucking, Kellen Moore looks at his wife and says, you tell anyone about this, I'll fucking kill you. Like, ah! She's all back by night, throws him in the van, they run off, they're going to Coach's camp. I mean, is this, is Kellen Moore in it now? It was either?

He was there, yeah. Now, he's quiet, huh? He's quiet. The new guys are there quiet? Yeah. Which is how it goes, huh? Yeah, yeah, The new guys are there quiet? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. Which is how it goes, huh? Yeah, yeah, new guys are quiet. Yeah, Ben Johns was there, Kellan was there. Who else?

Like who was there this year? Was Vrabes there? Vrabes was always there. Now, how's Vrabes in the circle of coaches? Well, it used to be hilarious because it was Vrabel, Billy O'Brien, Doug Marrone, and those guys were like, even though there's three of them, they're like the two old guys from The Muppets, right?

They were classic. It's such a great time. But Mike T's kind of the, he's the godfather of it all. Everybody kind of wants to be around Mike T. He's dynamic, dude. And he is, look, I've been friends with him since he was a DB Church. What's his name, George Lucas?

No, no, who's the guy from American Hustle? It looks like Omar Epps. No, he's Frank Lucas. Oh, Frank Lucas, yeah. That's how I see Coach T. No doubt, absolutely. Like OG in the back, he's kind of like pulling the strings. No doubt. But I've been friends with that dude

since he was Ronde and Lynch's DB coach when he just replaced- Monty Kiffins. Right, but he replaced her. Yeah. And I'll never forget, he goes in there, and they're like, man, this guy will never replace her. We don't care who this is.

It was like a weekend, and they're like, oh my God, this guy's great. He's unbelievable. This guy's unbelievable. I said, I'll see you guys switch it up pretty fast. But he is, and you know, I think nowadays too, the coaching's changed, right? You come from a certain old school background, right?

But I think nowadays, because everybody's so freaking hurt these days, Twitter is just ruining people. Look, I grew up in the Jersey Shore, I got my ass kicked in the Jersey Shore growing up. It sucked for a month. Now we're getting our asses kicked a thousand times a second on Twitter, you know?

And guys are just so beat up all the time, you can't beat up on these guys anymore. So I think, but no, I think they get beaten down so easily. They're so beaten down already, they need somebody to love them up. That's why MIT works, that's why Dan Campbell works. That's why D'Amico Ryan works. That's why, you know, Sean McVeigh works,

like Raheem Morse, that's why these guys, I think it's changing, where you used to be able to just beat guys down. I tell you, the interesting thing for me came about eight years ago, I was coaching a fighter, and I get, you see me, how I do it, I'm like, what the fuck is wrong, right? And Randy Couture, who's my partner-in-law, says,

you can't do this with guys anymore. Which what do you mean? He said, you have to decide if you could change or not, but you can't tell guys what you don't want from them anymore. What are you talking about? I said, Brandy, this guy's fucking dropping his hands. I gotta tell him, don't drop your hands. He said, no, only tell him what you want.

You can only tell him, keep your hands up, or else they think they can't deal with you. Getting on them and they don't have it for somebody else who they look up to to get down on them so much. It was, that was an eye-opener for me. I realized same thing in the league. Yeah, that's really great I mean, it's an evolution the coaches that can evolve to the players Yeah, are the coaches that last coaches that yeah, you know stick to their way I think that's what happened with Belichick to I'm not getting down that road. I'm not going down that road. He knows

We don't talk about him anymore on this podcast. We don't? This is my first time. That's not fair. We don't even say his name. Oh, this is the first episode the rules video implemented. We just started it.

Really? He's like Voldemort? Yes. We just started it right now. We're not talking about him. This is a Mike Vrabel podcast. That's hilarious. It's a Mike Vrabel podcast.

It's a Mike V, baby. In Vrabel Trust. Any coaches beef in there? You see any guys give me? We try to fuck with guys. Silly looks. We try to get things going but it's. Anyone like at one table you know over there? No they're all the same thing. We try to. No no no never never. We never had any fucking Holy Pedals bullshit bro. That four minute offense was dog shit man. No. Well your two point fucking offense sucked, dude. Kyle Shanahan's funny as shit.

He'll kind of get after guys a little bit. Just funny, like somebody will ask him something like, hey, what are you guys doing here? We're like, what the fuck are you doing there? It's like, he'll just kind of, he's, Kyle's funny as shit. Cause Kyle's also, he's had so many of those guys with him and he's known, he's such a ball buster. But he's actually, Kyle's one of the funnest guys there.

It's totally different than with the World Cs. Now, Jay, how'd you break into sports media? Like, did little young Jay Glazer from the Jersey Shore like just want to have a microphone and fucking, were you just interviewing people on the shore? Like, hey, what'd you hear about this? Have I heard about this? All right, man, I'm going to go,

hey, were you just the guy that always had the secrets little Jay Glazer? This sure is getting in a shit ton of trouble and realized he had to do something or it was a bad road and I'm I left Jersey in 89 moved to New York and I got it. I got it And I was all fucking around fucking around fucking around I was like boxing and bouncing and bartending and a student stand-up comedy like I was trying anything and then I got a I got an internship at WFN radio in 1989 and that was the first all sports radio station in America and they gave me a gig because I was doing stand-up comedy like this guy but I had no experience that got me a job covering the Giants in 93 so it took me three years to get a job. So basically for the first 11 years of my career, dude,

I made $9,450 a year living in New York City. Horrible, because there was no NFL insiders yet really. And I got a job covering first for New York One TV and that paid me $450 a year. But what I did was I walked into that giant locker room, day one, and a lot of people don't know this story, day one, I was like, damn, how could I be different

than everybody else in there? Like this is the Mecca. From the beat writers or what? From the beat writers, from everybody. But I'm like, this is the Mecca. How do I, like, how could I be different? Most people are afraid to be different. Like, don't be a face in the crowd,

be the fucking crowd, right? Be your own crowd. And so I said well a I Am relentless as shit. So if these guys work 40 hours a week I'm not working not by a little by a lot not working by 60 hours a week and the truth is Stray hand and I were so close and he felt so bad for me And he knew I didn't have enough money to take I used to go subway bus Trying stadium back it was only eight bucks a day and I couldn't afford it. So he drove me back into New York City every single day for six years

So I'm like 28 grand Lincoln Tunnel Fair, but that as a result He was always the last one to leave so I'd get there at 8 o'clock in the morning I stayed till he left at 7 right and I would talk to everybody in the parking lot But the biggest thing I did on top of that, I'm like, man, how could I be different? And I felt the B-riders back then were using their pen as a weapon. I said, you know, I'm going to start relationships,

which was taboo back then. I was told, no, you're not friends with players. I'm like, I got more in common with them than I do with you. And I got murdered for doing that. I became the first guy to start relationships with players, coaches, front-off, and I'm like, this is the way I'm going to do it.

But as a result of that, they labeled me, he's not objective. And every time I try to get a job, the editor or producer, whatever we'll call these guys, and they go, no, he's not objective. And I would say, I don't think you guys are objective. If they don't give you a story, then you shit all over them. You use your pen as a weapon. You're not objective. What you're all over them. You use your pen as a weapon. You're not objective. What you're doing is wrong. But as a result, I couldn't get a full-time job

until 1999, so 10, 11 years in. Thank God, thank you, my best friend, God Almighty in heaven, I finally get a job covering the NFL and the NFL today on CBS when they got the NFL back for 50 grand a year. And I was like, oh my God. We only have a couple times in our lives that you really find out who the fuck you are. And this is one for me because I said,

this time I'm going to do it. I'm going to be different no matter what. I'm not working by, it doesn't matter what I have to do. And that call that came in from my agent, I was like, man, that validated me that I was right. And then with that came the first, I was the first minute by minute breaking news guy in this country.

Me and a guy named Len Pasquerelli and John Clayton, I was the first minute by minute breaking news guy in this country. Me and a guy named Len Pasquerelli and John Clayton, I was doing it for CBS Sports.com. And so I became that first guy. And then where a lot of things happened. So you're the first insider. Yeah, well, I was, Will McDonough was,

because he was doing on NBC, but minute by minute breaking, yeah. And because the other guys had like weekly shows. How were you delivering your news back then? On the internet. So I broke it on the internet. 1999 minute breaking, yeah. And, because the other guys had like weekly shows. How were you delivering your news back then? On the internet. So I broke it on YouTube. 1999. Yeah, 99.

And man, I had every, but the other cool thing for me. Were you a sidekick guy or like a BBM guy? You had a, did you have? Beeper. Blackberry, you probably had a Blackberry, you were just fucking on that thing all day. I mean, I've had it all, yeah. Definitely a beeper, definitely had a, yeah.

Had a beeper back then. Did you have a Zach Morse? I didn't have a car, I didn't have a car phone. Zach Morse brick cell phone? Strains? Yeah, Strains. But man, it was, the whole period was crazy, but the other cool thing was when free agency happened, again, there's no internet.

Some of my name got around as, hey, this guy knows all the players. So all these dudes who were scouting assistants, who are now general managers, used to call me and say, hey, we know you know about this player. So I broke a huge story, whatever yours was, that the Jets were secretly trying to trade Kishon Johnson. And the way I found out is somebody from the Ravens, somebody from the Bucks called and said, hey, you don't know us, but we're looking into this. We know you know Keishon really well

and tell us about him and blah, blah, blah. And I was able to have a story and nobody fucking believed it. There was like no way this is, and then three weeks later he's traded the Buccaneers. But because I stuck to who I said I was going to be, I was going to start relationships relationships now everything's relationship-based How did you how did you learn that you needed to?

hone the craft of Starting relationships with players. Did you have someone that was natural for me? You know what the truth is ma'am? Here's the truth I said a couple years ago You know I talk a lot of mental health now, and I wrote a book on it three years ago four years ago What's your unbreakable? I'm gonna turn my depression, anxiety, and motivation and use kind two. And one of the things I talk about in there

is when my gray gets really, and I have clinical depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, something called OCD, anxiety, other than that, a model of stability. Yeah, yeah. And one of the things that I need, I need teammates. Like you see how I'm in our avocado, I'd fucking die for my guy. Like I need these teams, I need teammates. Like you see how I'm in our avocado, I'd fucking die for my guys.

Like I need these teams, I need my fight teams. And what no one realized is that's what you all were for me. You guys were all a team for me. Like I felt this sense of belonging where it, you have no idea how much you players saved me over the years. It was a probably daily thing. You guys saved me over the years.

And that's why I'm so loyal to you guys and how much I take care of all my people so much. I've needed it more than just a job. I've needed it for my own mental health survival. That's why it doesn't become work for you because it's your passion. Yeah, absolutely. So much passion where he even gave me

my best friend Drew bracelet. Two of them on right there. See, there you go. He gave that to me in the Bahamas at one of our team functions. Outside of Strahan, who else is one of your early guys? I'll tell you, the way the MMA training program came about. Yeah, because you trained a lot of guys in the off season

at Unbreakable. That's how we met. I started in 07. It's not there anymore? You changed location? No, I sold it. Sold it? Yeah, because I'm now in Malibu, and I don't want to go drive is ridiculous. Well, especially my coach though get out of Malibu right get in

but the first guy ever trained was like a long snapper from the Chiefs and you know DN and He was like a Ninkovic Straight I was training a place called API where I had two fights and then Fox made me stop fighting But I was still trying to do it and on the sly and then just apologize So you're going to like little Mexican fights down in like Tijuana doing shit. Oh, I think lasers fighting So dude, I took I took one fight. Hey, Jay. What is your black guy? Hey, yeah the water cooler. Oh, you know fucking dog. I

rescued this new pit bull. It fucking got me. I took a fight. Jay's going back down to Mexico fighting again. Da da da da da da. David Hill, who was the chairman of Fox back then, and Edgar, like, I came in my first day at Fox. I just won this tournament and my eye was shut.

My fucking foot was broken. They're like, what happened to you? And I was like, I just won the World Submission Fighting Championships, and they're like, we don't know what the fuck that is, you'll never do it again. And then I had a teammate named Jamie Varner who's fighting for the lightweight championship

of the world, he's fighting Benson Henderson who's a southpaw in SoMai. So I was like training with him a bunch, and all in one day, him and a guy named Tim McKenzie knocked his tooth out, they cracked this bone and had a gash here. It's not the orbles, down here, like right above your teeth. I get pimples there every once in a while. This was, I wish that's what it was.

And I come into Fox, I'm hosting a show with Tim Brown, Eddie George, and Jason Sehorn. Great lineup. And I'm like literally. I remember that show actually. That was a football preview. Yes, preview rated. And I come in and the makeup artist is like,

are you fucking kidding me? I'm like, well, I just put some makeup on. She's like, you're missing a tooth. And I'm like, oh, so I had to host this whole show. Like, everybody, Jay Glazer, Jason Cioran, Eddie Yards. And then I got a real talking tooth from all the bosses. Like, you were totally on your fight career. I'm like,'m like really like you will never be on the air again look like a pirate jangle yeah nothing you can't come on the air looking like a goddamn

pirate but i i talked about like how much i need these relationships in the sport kind of institutionalizes you in that way so i'm like i learned how to start coaching instead so back to this guy um so i was training with him at api with a whole group we had a fucking awesome group and athletic performance Institute exos yes turning exos so I Would we'd go train there twice a day to go to fight practice two or three times a day and this guy Had a couple DWI so he couldn't drink so he's my designated driver And he kept coming in and he was like training with me training with me, and man, we took 25 pounds off his frame,

we really got his fucking hands going, violent as shit, help with it, we do a shit ton of leverage work for your hips, and that guy went out and got 15 sacks that year, and it was the highest paid defensive end in the history of the NFL, and it was Jared Allen. That's how the whole thing fucking started, and everybody's like, and he talked about it,

he's like, do whatever you did for him do it for us I'm like, I have no idea what the fuck we did for him But we're gonna come up with something and me and Randy couture and guys like Ryan Bader and Chuck Liddell We came up with something and we've trained Thousand something pro athletes and could we branched out to everything? Pro athletes. I'm yeah, everything I was in there working my fucking jujitsu shit on the mat Hell yeah went over to go hit a fucking shoulder press. You know who's right next to me?

Fucking Sylvester Stallone. Stallone, right? Sly? Sly's in there. Oh my gosh. Sly's just jacking up like 80s. He's probably like 75 at the time. He's like, I need like five more than my age.

You know what we sold in there? Legend. We did a good job. You got to, remember I did a little hand fighting with you also, right? Yeah, for relievings. And Amidola traded with us for a while, right? So basically what we try and teach guys,

hey, we do a little punching. We try and give you a fucking fighter's mentality, which is just more of this relentless fucked up attitude. You're like, if you turn football into a fight, most guys sign up to play a sport. They don't sign up. Like I saw you playing DB, and you're just fucking giving Baldwin business. They're like, he turned into a fight, most guys sign up to play a sport. They don't sign up. Like I saw you playing DB and you're just fucking giving, bolding the business.

Like you turn into a fight, most guys don't want to deal that shit, right? So you turn it into a fight number one. So that's your fucking head and your heart and in your hands. So instead of like slapping, everything is like hammer fist. And if you just attack these nerves, most of the game. Yeah, I do remember that. Jay went over here, fucking hammering me.

I'm like, Jay, I can't feel my arm right now. That's the whole fucking point. So if you do that all game long, we create that with Clay Matthews. Van Dam in fucking Bloodsport. I'm right. Except instead of a little Asian dude, I got a little Jewish dude over here

slapping my arms and shit. And then we work on your hips too, because leverage is everything. That was the thing, it was a lot of hip mobility stuff on that mat. It was like a dynamic thing that we would all do for our hips, because that's huge. Especially for football players, we're like dragsters, you know, you get so wound up tight for explosions, six seconds of just pure, like go 100 miles an hour.

Sometimes that tightens you up. And so a lot of guys have to work on their hip mobility, which is huge, and that's what fighters have. They have really great hip mobility. I think everybody talks about strengthening their core when you get stronger, you get tighter. So you got to reverse it also and get looser. The looser you are, the more explosive you're going to be. But also like, look what we create in there.

You're talking about sly and all this. Jared Allen, he's a fucking locker room Hall of Famer. Hall of Famer this year. Yeah, fucking Jared Allen. We created a locker room, it's, funnest locker room, dude. He's a beast, I loved him. He is, he's great.

Remember the rope celebration? Yeah, he was taking rabbit out of the hat. The second guy we ever trained was Patrick Willis. Another dog. And Pat, I told everyone at this gym, we're at Extreme Couture in Vegas. I'm like, guys, no one touch the football players. You don't kick them, you don't tuck, you don't punch them.

Everyone does want to touch you. They want to feel you. I'm like, I don't care how much he asks. You're not doing it, right? And I had a friend named Jay Ron, who I think he stayed with him also because Jay is a nasty fucking bastard. And I wanted also got football players to kind of get this.

And next thing I know, I hear, I get a call like, hey man, Patrick got the shit kicked at him today. I'm like, what are you talking about? I was like, well, everybody's sparring him. I'm like, what do you mean everybody's sparring him? The fuck do you mean everybody's sparring him? He got the dog shit kicked at him today. I'm like, what are you talking about? I was like, well, everybody's sparring him. I'm like, what do you mean everybody's sparring him? The fuck do you mean everybody's sparring him? He got the dog shit kicked at him by this little guy, Gray Maynard and Tyson Griffin.

I think Jay said, guys, did I not fucking say you're not touching football players? Like, well, he asked. I'm like, I don't give a fuck if he asks. But here's the mastery of doing this though. One of Jay Glazer's 15 phones is gonna get a ring from an owner I say hey, you got you know You got my 30 million dollar investment getting his ass whooped by no doubt one of your fucking fighters the mastery of it

Though dude, and you'll appreciate this is I would try and teach Football players the fighter mentality wrestlers grind really right which is man Just relentless relentless relentless and the amount of work you put in when no one's watching is what makes that wrestlers, wrestlers great. But at the same time, I would have you guys teach fighters sport IQ. They don't know how to watch film. They don't know how to look for tendencies or what you guys do. Yeah, absolutely.

And more like training. But also you could see stuff. It's different training because they, they, if they implicated a lot of our like explosive training. Right. You mean like fighters don't do that as much. They do like fire metric. Not back then. Yeah. Not back then. You know what I mean? But you guys see stuff and I'm like hey let's watch and I don't know how to watch film. I used to sit there with Stray all the time and he showed me a little thing like twitch here and I'm like what do you fucking how do you see that? I don't know how you guys see that.

It's unbelievable. Yeah but you got to be smart as shit playing the NFL and even if you guys could teach these guys one-tenth of how to Do it then it it's a win for our fighters. Yeah, it was winning community over there at Unbreakable, it's fun right above the pink taco. Yep. It's fun. Santa was sunset. Yeah sunset Right by the Chateau has fun. I push it a group in there. It's fun. We had it We always had great group you get all your still own box, boy Chateau? Big group in there, it was fun. We always had a great group. You get all your- We had a Stallone box Demi Lovato one day in there, right? What's the craziest story out of that place?

That one was like, he comes in and he goes, hey, I got an idea. You think, how about I box Demi? And she knocks me down and I call it the unthinkable and unbreakable. What do you think? I'm like, yeah dude, you're Rocky. Fuck yeah. And she's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah dude, you're Rocky. Fuck yeah.

And she's like, are you serious? I'm like, yeah. So she's like, and he goes, and would it be okay if we post this? I'm like, yeah dude, you're Rambo. Fuck yes. So is Sly, is Sly just always like, he just always wants to do, he's very,

he's always creating. He's creating. He's an artist and stuff. And like, I could just see him always like oh wait to his daughters And stuff you want to do a video? Like he just he seems like he's always doing something. He seems like a great thing is the best So he he one time he calls if you've ever seen this Do you know here about the time I brought Godfrey Eddie to his house to cook? Yeah

Yeah, it was unbelievable Right. Oh, yeah, yeah. Legend. It was unbelievable. We heard that all year. Oh, here's the, here's Demi. But he, one day he goes, Hey, I just, he's got this $25,000 grillman who bring these grill masters over and teach me how to use it. I go, why are you hiring a grill master? Let's bring Guy Fieri.

He goes, really? You think you'd do that? I'm like, yeah bro, you're Rocky. And like a month later he's like, any chance your friend Guy in town, and I said, yeah, what's going on? He goes, well, you want to come watch the fight tomorrow at Ruiz Joshua, too?

And I'm like, yeah, he goes, okay, well, Guy's in town, I said, yeah, he goes, all right, here's the deal. My daughters don't give a fuck about Rocky or Rambo or the Expendables. They love diners, drive-ins, and dives. If you bring him to my house, dude, I'll be a hero. So I said, all right, let me call him.

So I call him up and I said, hey, dude, tell him you love me. He goes, why, I love you. And I said, dude, Stallone wants to know if you want to come over and watch a fight tomorrow because his daughters love, they love you. And he goes, I'm supposed to go home. Let me call Laurie and my wife to make sure it's okay. So he calls you and he goes I'm supposed to go home let me call Laurie my wife make sure it's okay he calls Laurie and Laurie goes let me get this straight Stallone is asking you want to go to a boxing match at Rocky's house and you're asking me for like you're an idiot if

you don't go so God calls back and says I mean he goes find out from Stallone how many people are gonna be. And he goes, how many people are gonna be there? I'm gonna get the Food Network to give me food and I'm gonna cook there, I'm gonna make his daughters my sous chefs. I'm like, great, so I call Stallone, I go, tell me you love me, he goes,

why do I love you? I said, dude, the fucking guy is coming and he wants to know how many people are coming and he's gonna cook and make your daughters sous chefs he's gonna, you know Cook and make your daughter's a sous chef. You're gonna be a star and he goes no. No, you don't have to do that I'm getting cold cuts. So bro, we're not getting cold cuts. Yeah, like, you know, get some salami We're getting cold cuts. We're not getting fucking cold cuts. Are you shitting me? This is not 1982 in New Jersey little mozzarella so I literally So I literally say, I said. Coal cuts out.

I said, dude, tell me who's coming. So he knows, he goes, all right, who you bringing? I said, I'm gonna bring Strahan. It was okay, so me, you, Strahan, Pacino, Schwarzenegger, Sugar Ray Leonard, David Blaine. I said, the fuck out of here? He goes, what? He's your friend, these are my friends.

What just happened? And man, we broke the internet that day. It was unbelievable. Did David Blaine do any magic, we broke the internet that day. It was unbelievable. He came to do magic. It was unbelievable. It's all over the internet. It's fucking unbelievable. It was such, it was unbelievable.

Yeah, we broke the internet that day. It was pretty cool. How cool is Guy? He's the best. He's the best, man. He is a, I just did one of his episodes on a place in Melrose, which is fucking great. I don't know what's coming out, but I love that dude.

Yeah, I love him. He's a hustle, love him he's a loyal friend works yeah anywhere you can go anywhere in the in the country in the United States everyone knows guy of course and loves him too and loves him he's man he's the guy too though you go to North Dakota Miami anywhere yeah fucking Albuquerque. You can go to West Texas. You go Pennsylvania. You can go to Wyoming. You can keep listed names. Arkansas?

Arkansas, they love Fieri. Okay. Would you agree? Right. You know Guywell. You type of guy, you can be anywhere in the world and you got in trouble and you're like, dude, I need help. Yeah.

Drop everything. Guy would. Drop everything, right? Yeah. He's a G. Now, lastly, before we jump into this game, I want the last question about Unbreakable. Who is the biggest dog to ever come out of there? Like every MMA champ's been in there,

so there are all dogs. Who's the doggiest of the dogs? John Jones, he hasn't been in there. Has John? No, I Who's the doggiest of the dogs? Oh, John Jones. He hasn't been in there. Has John? No, I don't think he has. But John's the best I've ever seen. It's not even close.

But ever been around. He also- Bones Jones? Oh, fuck yeah. It's not even close. Bones is nuts. He's so different, man. He is, it's so hard to train for him.

I've been around a lot of guys and worked with some guys to help when they were fighting him. I remember Chelsea Hunter. We did a lot together. He did like half camp me half camp with his team and I'm like One of the drills I was putting shell through was Shell on his back for five minutes rounds of me on side control a couple of others and he has to push and get That choke move right there. We're choking. No, he's like just on top

Yeah, right cuz and he and so chill goes in his back and he's like why are we doing this? I said cuz he's gonna take you down. He's like no one takes me down. I'm like, bro. He's gonna take you down He's like Jay. Nobody takes me down on my chill He's gonna fucking take you down So we're gonna do this and we started doing this drill and I get on top and Chell has no idea how to get out Cuz no one fucking took him down I'm like do you gotta push up my face and get out and so we did that over and over and over and he got Taken out about five times in the first round. Yeah, right John is just fucking different. I just had an epiphany. Oh Kyle long

We need to get you in the next season of Cobra Kai Hell yeah, you're a semi-covado. We train one of the girls in that rain. She's awesome You need to get in there and I you need to be like one of the characters I just saw that little choke right there casting agent Jules. I like this. Let's getana, she's awesome. You need to get in there and I, you need to be like one of the characters. I just saw that little choke right there. Casting agent Jules, I like this. Let's get it. Let's get it going. Yeah, I like it. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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This game took place February 3rd, 2008. The number one movie was Hannah Montana and Miley Cyrus, best of both worlds concert. That was the number one movie? Number one song was Low by Flo Rida and T-Pain. My daughter is doing that in a talent show. Really? You're kidding me.

Yeah, that song is still popping. How random is that? They love that song still. T- that song is still Hello, I love that that song still Pop culture blu-ray one the format wars as Toshiba announced the end of production of the HD DVD And I remember that that ps3 they had the blu-ray player built in remember that yeah ps3 is that why yeah That was that was part of their the reason for their victory GTA 4

Was released is this the first time or wasn't bird's-eye view no this was the second one Yeah, NFL champion giants MVP Tom Brady. You know what it's good to see because Nothing really good happens to that guy Yeah, old Tom. He just went on and won like five more after this. Literally, this is for now for more. That's nuts. And see to a champion LSU.

I think Ridley was on that team. I believe so. Heisman Tim Tebow, NBA moved Shaq from Miami. He became well, the big heat to the big cactus. The big cactus, baby. Why do I not remember him playing for Phoenix? This was late era, like 36 year old Shaq. I was like Cleveland.

You went to Southampton, Miami. Yeah. Celtics back too. Celtics. He did? Yeah. He spanned like the whole rainbow in terms of Jersey. I love Shaq, dude.

I love that cat. He's the man. Andre Tippett and Fred Dean all inducted to the football Hall of Fame some legends Andre tippet black belt Yes, yes, so you're talking about that hand fight his hand fight his hands were great Andre tippet to that man No, he's around the facility too. Oh really? Yeah, he still works for like the Patriots in some sort of capacity Don't ask questions. I don't know but But all I know is anytime he walks by, I straighten up. What's up, Mr. Tip? That's what I call him, I call him Mr. Tip.

Jewish, right? Yeah, he's Jewish. Yeah, I knew that. I do, I knew that, yeah. Trust me, we're getting killed in the marketing department these days, I'll take anybody I can get. Definitely need him.

Yes, we need him. And he's black belt. Yes. And Brock Lester. The three of us need to go Yes, we need him. And he's black belt. Yes. And Brock Lester. The three of us need to go around. Me, you, and Andre Tippett. We need to go to places where they're having some trouble and just jump in a little bit.

I like that. Yeah, we need representation on the other side as well. We need a panel of all. Yeah, yeah. It's like an A-Team type of guy. It's like the A-Team with the J-Team. But like the A-Team, we're just the J-Team. We just come by and lay a lot of guilt on you.

Ivan Fears in there. What are we driving a van on? We just got some drive-by audits. Man. Exactly. Is it not bagels? Brock Lesnar makes his UFC debut and loses to Frank Muir. You were in the building for that, Jay?

Yeah, I was there. Wow. I was there. Was that UFC 100? I was there with my baby sister. Jay, can you take us through, how do you break breaking news? How do you do it?

What's the process? That was you for beat. Okay, so the jobs changed. So back in the day, it was, I had, you're right, I had a million cell phones. By the way, I did have one cell phone. I was a spokesperson for one of the cell phone carriers and I had them give me a burner.

I didn't know what a burner was back then, but a burner, because I was convinced that the Patriots of all teams were tracking my phones because I broke a shit ton of Patriots. No, no, that was my my fear. I know. I mean, but then everyone's head. Yeah, I know. Everyone. So back then it was yeah, you get it you break it as fast as you can and then you get out as many places you twitted it and Originally early on I would pick a big fight with the ESPN because they kept stealing shit

It was like, you know, so you say oh they would say sources say this like this like specifically I'm a lone wolf It's just me verse them And it started me versus two guys at ESPN, then three, then four, then 10, then 20, then 30, then 40, then NFL Network, and you know, 10 and 20. And I was just always just me versus them. So I figured, man, I'm going to pick a fight with ESPN every time they steal my shit. And I just thought it was a good fight.

David versus Goliath, and I just wanted everybody to kind of walk this walk with me. And originally, our guy Bill Richards would get mad at Fox, like, just be above them. Don't punch down. Like, no, fuck them. So I'll never forget, there's two specific tweets I put out. That changed a lot of things.

One was, hey, ESPN, the last time I checked, my last name was not spelled sources. And if it is, mom and I need to have a fucking talk because she's lived a double life or some shit like that, right? And so that kind of blew everything up. Oh my gosh, and then I said, the three things you could always count on in life

is death, taxes, and ESPN stealing your shit. And then one time, Stray and I are in Mexico, another, it wasn't the usher trip, and- So many trips. Sean Payton calls, he would travel a lot. Sean Payton calls, I think when he was suspended, and he got a new deal with the Saints. Well, Stray and I, a lot of talks obviously around

me and Stray, it sounds, with us and Tequila, but this time we were in drinking water, and we were shit faced. And he's like, hey, I got this scoop for you. I just signed a new deal. Cause everybody thought he was going to the Cowboys. Right, that he was going to come out with suspension, go to the Cowboys.

We just re-upped, have it whenever you want. I said, well, we're pretty fucking shit faced right now. I need to sober up. Cause back then when you'd break a story, you break it there. But then I'd have to go on Fox Sports Radio. I think at the time I was also working for NFL Network, I had to do something there so I couldn't be hammered.

So I waited like a couple hours and Sean's like, yeah, whenever you want to do it, you do it. I said, oh, I'll let you know. We try to sober up and I finally broke it. And sure enough, 12 seconds later, ESPN, oh, they've learned. And I'm like, this is bullshit. Well, whoever was, and that one pissed me off because I was also hammered so I got a little angrier.

And whoever the person at the desk at ESPN was said something like no we could use him as a source if he has already put it out there. I'm like no you can't, I don't fucking work for you. And that actually got ESPN to change how they credited reporters. But the point was, I never really gave a fuck. I just thought it was a really good brand.

I wanted to build this, you know, me versus them. But the truth and how I do it too, is I do need three sources before I report something, unless it's direct. Like that one with Sean Payton, and with some of Mickey Lubens together, I'm like, there's no doubt, this is happening, right? But I need three.

And the reason why I do three. If it's three, let it be. If it's Harry, it's a Barry. It's exactly what it was. Poison Ivy. Poison Oak. The reason why is because, let's say, I hear something and I tell you and it's wrong, okay?

Yeah. And the two of us tell this person, right, and we're like, oh, I got double confirmation. But I told you, you told him because you got bad info for me. So I always need a third that's completely independent. Independent. I think, right? And I've probably lost out on, I don't know, thousands of scoops by waiting.

I'm extremely conservative like that. Whenever the new guys come on, and they've all been new, right? Everybody's been after me besides Morton and Peter King and Clayton, I always tell guys, number one, make sure your shit is correct, accurate. And nowadays, no one cares. They just want it first, first, first. And back then, it was who could tweet the fastest.

And then I also tell guys, just let other guys have credit. You don't need to confirm anything. Like, I'll never, ever confirm. You'll never see, oh, I am confirmed that Adam Schefter reported this. I don't need to confirm anything. Like I'll never ever confirm. You'll never see, oh, I am confirmed that Adam Schefter reported this. I don't need to confirm it. He's already done it.

I think it's bullshit. So just let somebody else have their, like everybody needs to feed their families. Let everybody have it. And, but there's so much pressure on all these guys and breaking them minute by minute. Man, they all do it and they'll get stuff wrong. And I remember Schefter's first day at ESPN, these guys and breaking them minute by minute man, they all do it and they'll get stuff wrong and I

Remember Shepter's first day at ESPN. I had broken that Brett Favre was gonna come out of retirement and play for the Minnesota Vikings BAM out of left field. I know Brett's agent told Adam wasn't true and Adams first days like going on No, it's I said Adam dude actually hit him up like dude It's your first date. Don't let your office Push you and what she says you like he says nah, I got But it was the pressure see it was the pressure the pressure Yeah, but you know what you've confirmed out of this conversation that you and chefner are definitely not on a group chat anymore No, no, we're good. Are we good? Yeah. Yeah No, no, we're good. Are we good? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Rap report in there too?

No, not really. No, no rap. No, but Sheffner and I also, no one knew Mort and I were really close. And actually I saved the message here when Mort was in, when he was in the hospital, he, when he kind of came to,

he sent me the hospital, when he kind of came to me, he sent me the greatest message about, he's like, man, I saved every profanity laced F-bond message you left, because I would be like, hey motherfucker, you better not die, okay? We got more of this shit to handle, but I would call him, because it's lonely, really lonely in there, you know, getting chemo, but I would always, and he was like, I can't tell you how much this meant to me I can't and

Yeah, that was hard and but every so I would act like I hated these guys but for 15 years every week I would call Schefter and and Mort the first week of the season say say, hey man, all our dreams have come true. Like again, I was making 9,400 bucks a year. This is beyond our wildest dreams. Let's have a good year. Let's play fair, boys. Let's do what the fucking right is.

Say no rules. But it was like, no one knew that. So there was this camaraderie, and Adam and I were more bonded now because of Mort. Mort was great, man. I loved him. I did. I fucked with him a lot.

But again, all our dreams have come true. It's great. And that's what I'm saying. You can share this stuff. But also what I've tried to do with the role now, Jules, I'm not doing that. Cause now it's whoever tweets the fastest. And what they do also, I told someone last year,

I broke the Keenan Allen getting traded the Bears. I told the guys who told me, I said, hey, watch I broke the Keen and Allen getting traded to the Bears. I told the guys who told me, I said, hey, watch. I said, anybody else know? No, I said, okay, I'm going to put it out in about five minutes. Watch the rest of my competitor, what they do and how they handle this and what they do. And a lot of guys will tweet for a second and go,

Keen and Allen traded as Jay Glazer said. And then two seconds later, Keen and Allen traded for this. And then that gets retweeted and posted. And NFL does it with Rapport all the time, ESPN will do it, but it's like, just let people have it. But these guys called it like, holy fuck, your business is dirty. I said, I know, I told you.

But it's not worth it for me anymore to break a story when it's still in two seconds. What's better for me now is to be a true insider. On Sundays, I come on and I will have shit that nobody knows or you'll hear stuff. It could be what everyone's covering, but a side that nobody else will know. And the cool thing is when I come on,

I come on after everybody else, right? The other insiders, everybody had their hits before. So there's no way they can act like, oh, we knew this two seconds late, but they do it a lot but for me no matter what my job is to make sure people every single show you tune in our show they will hear something they have not heard I have no idea that's an insider and that's what I'm trying to do now where to make Fox NFL Sunday or make your show has to be must-see TV like we've got to hear what this guy's gonna say and every week I come up right

I deliver and you deliver that's really cool in this day and age where it's all of your News is from Twitter to actually like catch it from you live. It's still like wow, okay This first time I'm hearing it you're saying it and then you see Twitter follow up with the exact. Yeah, it's cool man It's really cool. And that's that but that's the stress the job to I'll get stuff on a Tuesday You have to hold it and I man. What is this? Now And I, man, what is this? Now, this is our last question before we get in the game. What's the proudest thing you've broke? Oh, Spygate.

I'm a coach, changed my life. Spygate. Have you heard of that? No, I was at Kent State. How did that go down? Belichick called, he's like, hey man, I got something for you. No, I'm just fucking with you guys. I was like, whoa, what?

My head almost exploded. I don't know who that is. Yeah, who? Beep. That was my second week in Fox. I got hired in 04, but I wasn't in the studio at first. I do my hits, and I was a sideline at first. I do my hits and I was a sideline reporter. So I do my hits from a field.

And David Hill's like, this insider stuff, it's valuable. We're going to bring you in studio. And the week before I only had one segment, it was long. So it was like, now I have like three, all the time was condensed in one. And then he said, I want to spread you out. And all of a sudden, man I You'll appreciate this because it was It was I was actually going through a really hard time personally in my life

come through divorce and No one want like the guys at Fox. They don't want me in there like they've been together now This is my 22nd year. They've been together for 10 years at that point right they want me in there or whatever was they don't want me in there and All of a also I get the spy game video I'm trying to think how'd you get this by gay video you're a cute kid I can't tell you that but all of a sudden I get this and I got it though I think it was it was either Russia shutting young Kapoor there's Russia shot I see only two days I turned my phone here the only two days I turned my phone off and so only two days I turned my phone off.

So you got it on the day you turned your phone off? Yes, but I knew it was there. How did you know it was there? I couldn't see it. Because the person told me that- Terrible practicing Jew, you should not be thinking about work during Yom Kippur or Rosh Hashanah. The person told me the day before,

I'm going to try and get this to him. So, I knew it was there. So are you fasting this Yom Kippur and you're fucking sitting here thinking about Spygate? But I'm in Temple thinking about Spygate. So if I'm already asking for forgiveness, there's more, right? And I'm like, oh my God. So it was like, it was a really hard holiday.

And finally, sun goes down, turn on the TV. And at first when you watch it, it's all tits and ass. Like this little creeper, you know, they're zeroing in on girls in the's all tits and ass. Like this little creeper, you know, they're zeroing in on girls in the crowd and tits and ass. And the Jets had like the Jet City dancers on, and he's zeroing in on them. I'm like, oh man, I got too, fuck. Man, I thought I finally was going to get some love from these guys.

And all of a sudden, Tom steps in and I was like, oh, okay, they're warming up, braids thrown. And all of a sudden, Tom steps in and I was like, oh, okay, they're warming up, brain's throwing, and all of a sudden, boom. Ted Cottrell, who's the defense coordinator, the Jets in time, I believe, he's out there doing the science, it's that, and then down in distance, and you know, oh my God, I'm like, oh my God. So I go to Fox and I tell them what I have.

And Fox immediately says, did you steal it? I said, did I have, and Fox immediately says, did you steal it? I said, did I steal it? This guy Larry Jones, who used to be with Fox, did I steal it? Yeah, it's an establishment, you got to know. Did I steal it? I said, I live in Arizona. How am I going to get to New York and steal it?

Like, no. But they were like, oh my God. And I said, listen, this is what you hired me for. You hired me for Grand Slams. But they were like, oh my God. And I said, listen, this is what you hired me for. You hired me for Grant's lamps. But they were like, oh my gosh, what's this gonna do you? Mr. I would say, Kraft is really powerful. And you know, Roger and I said, this is what I do. If you guys don't want it, fine.

I'm gonna put it somewhere else. But I really hope you will. I don't hear from Fox for the rest of the week. And I show up to our green room, our avocado room, Sunday morning, and Scott Ackerson, who was the producer at the time, before Bill Richards, he says, guys, listen, normally, last week Jay had one segment,

normally does. High-tension, free production meeting. Now we're going to have, yeah, now we're going to have three for the most part, but instead today Jay's going to have four. And they go, what? And how he gets up out of his seat. And again, they do not want me there. And how he, who's now my fucking brother, they all are obviously.

And he's like, and Scott goes, before you say anything, he got the Spygate video. And they're like, what he has, he has the video. And I remember the NFL said they destroyed them all. Okay. and they're like, what he has, he has the video. And I remember the NFL said they destroyed them all. Okay, so all of a sudden, so Jules, you're sitting where, let's say you're sitting where I am. Okay, I'm sitting here, Howie's in here, Terry's sitting there, Jimmy's sitting over there. Howie gets up out of his seat,

doesn't even look at me and says, you're telling me this kid has the video. This kid, how is intimidating to do, right? And he's like, yes, me this kid has the video. This kid, now is intimidating dude, right? And he's like, yes. He goes, the actual video. Yes, you're telling me. I'm like, oh my God, this is horrible. And Jimmy goes, looks at me and goes,

you really got the video? I said, yeah. And Terry leans over and says, the actual video. I said, yes, sir. And he goes, he's okay with me. I go, thank you God. And you show him the video and oh yeah. And then what are the guys saying when they see the video?

They're like, how are we like, oh my God, how did you get this? Yes, they all are. And then I have to call the commissioner and tell them I'm going to have. So I call him up and I said, I'm about to drop something but I need to talk to you beforehand. And he hits me up and I said, hey dude, I'm just letting you know, I got the Spy Game video. He says, you can't, we destroyed them all. I said, that's what you thought.

And he said, you have the actual video. I said, I got the video and I'm airing it. And I just want to let you know beforehand. And he said, credit to him, he goes, good for you, that's huge. That's going to change your career. Like, wow. Goodell said that to you.

And he's like, fuck. And I said, Roger, I'm asking you not to conduct an investigation because I'm gonna leave so many breadcrumbs to the wrong people to protect who gave this to me. And he said, Jay, how, like I have to. I said, right, he said, your guy has to know that an this to me. And he said, Jay, how, like I have to, I said, right? He said, your guy has to know that an investigation

was coming, I said, who said it was a guy? And I led so many breadcrumbs, but it was so, the story then became not Spygate, but how did this young kid get, you know, basically these are Bruder tapes, you know, the these are brooder tapes, you know, the biggest story in the history of pro sports, get his hands on it. And at the time, ready for this?

It was so crazy. My sources were then having like wives call me saying, do not call such and such on his cell because we think they're getting tapped. Go to this pay phone with this number at 345, he'll answer the call, she'll answer the call, whatever it is, or go to this hotel, you're going to call this number.

It was unbelievable. It was unbelievable, right? It was unbelievable. And then, then Congress call. Casino over here? We could call it. Yeah. Acero Inspector. Senator Arlen Specter, who did the Kennedy assassination. And then, Congress calls. Casino over here? Yeah. Ace for Inspector on them.

Senator Arlen Specter, who did the Kennedy assassination. Senator Arlen, no, Congress. Senator Arlen Specter, who did the Kennedy assassination, he calls and he wants my copy of Spigot. I'm on a beach in Kiwa Island, South Carolina. We got a war going on or something. We're over here talking about tiddly weeks. Shout out to Kiwa, baby.

So this dude calls. We're over here talking, we gotly. We gotta get you a baby. So this dude calls. We're over here talking, we got like homeless people. We got people that are starving. We got fucking markets crashing. I believe at that time we were in a war. Thank you. And we wanna go talk about sport. Jules, that's where you and I see the same.

Insane. So he calls me up and he says, somebody say a police hole for center. This sounds like a, what do they call it? Oh, not a witch trial. Witch hunt? Witch hunt. He said, Jay, if you give me your copy of Spygate,

I'll give you the biggest scoop you ever had. And I said, Senator Specter, respectfully, first of all, and I said, I don't think our tax dollars should go to this. We're just sports, we're escapism, that is it. I don't think this is, and my dad's like, shut the fuck up. He's talking to our own inspector. I'm like, he knew so.

Have you seen Enemy of the State? You're like Will Smith, you're about to be Will Smith. So he says, and I said, he goes, Jay, I have something much bigger. I said, Senator Spector, respectfully, I just hit a home run in a Bobbin 9 against the Yankees to win the World Series. There's nothing you could possibly give me that's bigger.

He said, okay, Jay, if you're telling me you're not going to give this, and I didn't want to have to go this right, you, I may have to threaten you with charges in jail time for obstruction of justice. And I said, sorry, what do I care? All I do is fight and lift anyway. My dad is like, shut the fuck up.

And somehow it got out to USA Today. Who would you lock up in prison with? No, no, no. Is there like some Israeli mob dudes up in there? Yeah, I hope so. Well, this is white collar, so all right. And it was somewhere I remember was in USA Today, it was a quote of me saying it.

And David Hill and the guy named George Greenberg back then came through and were like, okay, we're now telling you to shut the fuck up. Dude, I said, no, I'm trying to show Congress that I'm off. They're like, you're trying to show Congress that you're off. I said, yeah, they're like, think of what you're saying. I said, look, it's working for you right now.

But that was literally my- What does off mean? Like I'm fucking crazy. Oh, you're crazy, gotcha. Don't even deal with this guy. It's literally what I was trying to do. But man, it was, and then I got a bunch of awards for and all that, but that really changed my life.

And after that, me and the guys from Fox are like, okay. You weren't in on, you weren't in on the flake eight too, were you? Yeah, I had. You had the fucking ball, huh? Balls. The Colts one? I had the Colts one too. Did you have the Colts one as well? Did we forget that one? What'd I have, what'd I have, what'd I have when I had the world's most you

Do we forget that one what I have what I have what I read the eight you guys are flying in from the Super Bowl and I reported that the NFL has video of the two locker pretendants. I've taken 30 balls whatever was into a Bathroom for it. So I reported that as you guys are flying in and guys were all pissed off at me thinking I timed it on purpose For when you were flying in but yeah, yeah, but just as stupid shit I'm not waiting overcome. You're not waiting just another mount for us for that Yeah, but you guys land involved all believe me and I had all these fans Grab me down the Super Bowl thinking I did that purpose. You can't fucking distract dogs. You also can't touch me.

Wait, what do you mean? Fucking fans were like, grab me or piss off. And they were like, hey, and I can't do that. And they're like, you fucking did this. And it actually couldn't have come at a worse time when I broke that. That story. That was actually with a girl. And this came in.

It was the first time being with her. I was like, a girl. And this came in. It was the first time being with her. I was like, oh, I got to go. You know about that whole deflate, Kate? She's like, no, but I know about deflating. It could have been worse. So I told, I remember I was getting killed on one of your stations up there in Boston. Sports Hub.

And I said, hey, I want to stop off and do this show. I said, guys, let me show you what I was doing, about to do, when I got that third confirmation. Show these guys a picture of young lady. And they said, I said, you think I want to step away from this and go fucking break a story? They're like, no, you think I waited on purpose then to break it then?

They're like, oh, absolutely not. I said, right, please tell everybody what you saw. They're like, well, we can't, but we believe you. See, I'm not, wait, I don't do shit like that. Man, so thanks, Jay. I've had a lot of big ones. Hey, I had Barrett Robbins. Remember he left the Raiders when he walled down to Tijuana?

Oh yeah, the Raiders. I remember that. You broke that one? The Super Bowl, he left. I broke all the Balco stuff. I broke the end of the lockout. I broke every far thing. I broke the end of the lockout broke Every far thing I broke the story about Moss getting traded

Right. It was so remember he didn't play I think it's against dolphins really because the trade was done before the game Yeah, but I was told you got to wait so we could tell him so I was a Painful day and then they couldn't find Randy to tell him so I had to wait and wait and wait I think I knew for 24 hours before I broke it and finally did and it just all hell broke You just like constantly scrolling and making sure no one breaks it before you when that happens just anxiety all day You know, it's just you No way. Just made this one man shot. Yeah, what's that shop over here? Jake laser, baby? Yeah, absolutely It'll work you out who work on your jujitsu, who break you a story,

and they give you a friendship bracelet. Then I'll build you up from the inside out. We'll help you with mental health after. Where's the tape now, Jay? Where's the tape now? I got it. I actually told him. You still got that footage?

Oh yeah, I told him. I used to play at parties. Let me see it real quick. Let me see it. I used to play at parties all the time. I went to continuous sleep. Really? Yeah, my house in Arizona had parties all the time.

You have? You used to show up all the time. Spygate parties. yeah. My house in Arizona, parties all the time. You have, you used to show all the time. Spygate parties. No, no, just parties, but I would have it. Spygate themed parties. Show up dressed as Eric Mangini. Not theme, it was just, yeah, yeah. So, Spygate was already, like, there was issues with the NFL, with the Patriots for Spygate,

so that was already, story was already happening, and you had the tape? It was broken that this was an investigation. And then you got the tape. But the NFL said, we destroyed, we saw it, we destroyed all the tapes. We wanted to stop here. Now where did they destroy the tapes? They said at the facility, right?

At Foxborough? Yeah. Now what did they do? They break them and then burn them? And that Apple thing, they think they showed it, right? The thing on Apple? I didn't watch that. They showed it. We didn't watch that. We lived there. It's good fucking TV Jackie jump into these 2007 Patriots that went through

these guys 16 and oh perfection man is in a site maybe that was that was this season is a legendary offense look at that look at those linebackers on your delias Frabel is oh Colvin jr. Like unbelievable oh my god unbelievable I mean everywhere a great defense offense that was legendary still is average almost 37 a game record setting Tom Brady through for 50 touchdowns one MVP mm-hmm Rainey Moscon 23 Tuddy's set an NFL record, picked up Ian West-Welker in the offseason. That was massive. They'll spread you out.

Just an insane offense. Really innovated what we know as the modern NFL offense, wouldn't you say, Jules, in terms of spreading teams out and looking for those mismatches and getting you one-on-one. I mean, that really started with like Buffalo. The muddle-hug. Oh, yeah. It's also a bit of a revenge tour here, too Yeah, 50 games high letting it rip. Yeah and Brady out of the shotgun so much this season well this I remember like the year before remember they lost a the Patriots lost to Indianapolis Colts

21-0 and that the thing was they didn't have any firepower to finish it out. And then they went and signed Welk. They get Randy Moss. They bring in Gaffney. They bring in Stallworth. And it was like, oh shit, this is like an all-star team. Put up 589 points. 500, what does that rank all time?

It's two right now, Denver in 2013 passed them. They did. They did? Yeah. I mean waiting for second touchdowns opening night we went over that game with them yeah Wow fucking sheriff insane yeah this is just 16 and oh baby what do you remember about these Patriots teams this specific team yeah but they're unstoppable the Giants played

him last game of the season yes yes and was kind of and I think that gave the Giants I do remember Right after I was talking to stray those guys like when they were getting after Tom so much they're like There's no way it could be this easy like they're setting us up There's no way so I almost held back and it wasn't till like second half like oh no We're really fucking just getting after him. Let's go and they released the hounds more I was a hell of a front though. You got to think about that Yeah front. Oh, yeah, let's get into him ten and six giant scene started off Rocky Owen two and there was a lot of a little bit of

Say there was a lot of uncertainty heading into this year. They lost Tiki Barber hot their guy for so long Coughlin is fourth year of the Coughlin era fourth year of the Eli era Smartest shit as a player. Unbelievable. All right, Brandon Jacobs and Ma Bradshaw was that little Thunder and Lightning. Unbelievable backfield too. Thunder and Lightning, definitely. Thunder and Lightning for them,

who's that? This is their first season without TK. Remember he took, he went to NME. Shut him out, drop. TK was, and then TK was kind of kind of throwing some shade mid-year at Eli and just a lot of New York uncertainty. The media baby.

That O-line was also really underrated. Deal, McKenzie, O'Hara, you know, Richie Sybert, Snee, Rugenbert, like I was a really underrated offensive line. How close were you with these New York teams because you knew Stray, you've been around the facility. At this point, this is 10, 12, 13 years. So you always had like, that was like your home team kind of. Yeah, I was very, very, very close to this team. But I also moved to Arizona at the time a few years earlier to actually move for a fight team.

And then three weeks later, like, you're never doing this again. But I was happy I left. But I was still really, really close to these guys. Extremely close. Jackie, let's jump into the game. Heck yeah, and we'd be remiss if we didn't shout out Spags in this defense. Turning up the Blitzes leading the league with 53 sacks.

What people don't remember too, that year. They only rushed four. That year, first two games, I think they gave up 50 points both games. Yeah, a total of 80 points in week one and week two. So 40 and 40? Yep. And it was like, I remember they had a talk as a defense

saying, guys, it was like, we think we know what we're supposed to do, but we're playing like we only think. We got to go. No matter what, whatever we think, go. And it kind of changed, it changed them. And man, Spags is so, so smart. That's what I said, like about Andy Reid, like you never want to disappoint him.

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McNabb 12 times 12 times in a game. Yep. Unreal started getting dialed. Unreal leading up to this thing. We mentioned earlier we had the week 17 matchup 38 35. This was a bit of a little bit of a measuring stick game for the Giants. They thought hey we can we can play with these guys confidence. No, it's all world team man.

I have confidence now in the in the media world. for the Giants, they thought, hey, we can play with these guys. They gave him confidence. He's an old world team, man. Gave him confidence. Now, in the media world, this matchup was, what was this matchup? This is Buster Douglas and Tyson. Right? There's no shot. Oh, I like that analogy. Right? There's no shot.

They were Mike Tyson. Not even close. Not even close. And the Giants just eeked it in. Yes. I think with them. Yeah. They they did win like Yeah, took a win in week 16 in Buffalo to get a man

They got that fifth seed that Lambeau field game the Giants Green Bay game that we did On-site that was the coldest thing I've ever felt. I think it was the reddest Mike Tom Coughlin's face has ever been just pretty they were worried about him. Who's a quarterback there? Sorry far far far. Yeah. Yeahavre threw an interception in overtime. But it was, we were on set and Jimmy Johnson poured a glass of water and a glass and at the end of the segment, went to pour it over and it was totally frozen. Wow.

Showed you how cold it was. It was brutal. In that game, the other thing, I'm standing over by one of those heaters and it caught fire. And Vicky Drilling, she's like drop and roll. I'm like, there's no way I'm dropping and rolling in front of all these fans. I'm going to fucking burn before I drop and roll.

Oh, shot. Hold it. I mean, it was insane that run. 10 straight road wins, really had that road warrior mentality coming into this one. Went down to Tampa and beat Ronday and the Bucks. Go down to Dallas and beat Jerry and those boys in Jerry world. And then as we just mentioned, go into Lambeau, win an OT, make it hard on yourselves. You missed two field goals. Laurence Steins redeems himself in overtime.

It was the Giants just like making it hard. This was they found a way to win every week. It seemed like this was a David versus Goliath. Big time. How do you how do you watch this game you were working in again so what are you doing you in a green room watching this with the boys like late last year no I think well we're both we go back and forth between the field and our green room yeah I remember standing out there more than usual good I knew it strays last game too you knew that yeah that wasn't That wasn't public, right? No. How much did you talk to him that week leading up to the Super Bowl?

I think we hung out Monday and Wednesday. Nice. Oh, I threw a party that Wednesday, the L Cam. Throw to the Patriots. I used to throw this Glazer Palooza Super Bowl party every year. And that was my first one. It was at my house in Arizona.

And it was masterful. Where there's 160 women and 60 dudes. And I had my fight team there. Secret show. And they had my fight team there. Secret show, great ratio. And they would go around and say, to all the straight dudes who you're with, here with those girls, sorry. There's a strict no dude policy, you gotta leave.

And we had limousines outside, send them all out. And it was literally just for my friends. You gotta be like a, one of my friends are a pro athlete. And then all the Scottsdale gals was fantastic. Man. It was fantastic. Man. It was fantastic. Now Richie Incognito was the dancing girl behind the screen. Hey Richie.

Shout out Richie. Here's my dancing girl behind the screen. It was great. But then I had a Super Bowl party every year after that for charity and it just was huge. And I called it Glazer Palooza just to piss off Stray and then. How many Super Bowls have you been to now? 95 years. Patriots, Packers was my first one. Wow.

And from there on, New Orleans was the one. Yeah. So when did you know at this point in this game when it was going back and forth, like Giants are up three, New England scores, 7-3 at half. When did you feel that like, uh, stray? I felt it. Right, you felt it right away? In warm-ups. Three game warm-ups.

Remember, yeah. Because of the seriousness of each team. Yeah, what was locked so you thought the Patriots? You can tell I think no, I just not through the motions. But yeah, like again, it's both really confident It's possible. It's kind of same thing with Tyson, right like man. It's got 42 to one underdog. I'm good, right? and I'm sure they'll say no, but That was my take of what I felt when I was there. But also maybe they did that every game. I don't know. That's the first time I'd seen them. So they might've done it every game. I just remember how much it stood out. Now when that crazy helmet

catch comes, you're like, this is destiny. I was there on the sideline for that. I was just like, Which sideline? Giants. Well, what's the team doing on the sideline? They're going nuts. Like, no way. They can't believe it. It's just, but also everybody's immediately looking up to make it sure it's just like, you just can't believe it. And they were going crazy. You know, stray also told them before and we're going to win this 17 to 14 on

the sideline. That's right. I think he did. Yeah. He was going up and down the sideline saying it. Yeah. We're going to win this 17 to 14. Like, yeah, he's, he's a phenomenal leader.

Minute left. Yeah. That was a minute left. Yeah, we're gonna win this 17 to 40. Yeah, he's he's a phenomenal leader minute left Yeah, that was a minute left phenomenal leader 115 third and five look at us as the worst Patriots blitz zero D&P's Plexiglas Burris and then zone. Yep. Yeah, that was I mean, that's crazy that After that play I think I've told this story many times with every day pre-practice Bernie Moss would look at Dean Pease and say Dean that blitz zero took my ring off my finger because it was that third and five calls. It's crazy that Plaxico's game-winning touchdown kind of gets overshadowed by the helmet catch like. It does. What'd you say to Stray after? What

the first thing you said to Stray? You're a champion. I remember we kind of hugged and he had to go up on the podium. That was it. And okay, so then I went to his party after. Who was at the, who's performed? He just had this party at this club and I got in a fight. Me and Chuck Liddell and his little manager, Michael got a little mad at first,

but he has a little manager named Brad Marks and Chuck and I were in and this bouncer like stopped Brad from coming in. We're like, no, no, he's with us. And Brad's like, I told you, and all of a sudden this bouncer, I think played football at ASU, picks him up and runs him through the fucking room,

smashes him to like this door and then keeps going. I was like, whoa, whoa, whoa. And I grabbed the dude behind the shed. I'm like, stop, stop, this is Chuck Liddell's manager. And he was about to murder this guy. So I kick his back foot out. So I sweep, sweep. Jump on top and I mount the guy and start neck cracking him.

And I'm like, hey, stop, stop. Dude, this is Chuck Liddell's manager. And all of a sudden I see like 20 feet come over. I'm like, oh fuck, I'm about to get stomped out. So I'm just on this guy like this and I'm waiting, I'm waiting, waiting about to get stomped out. So I'm just on this guy like this, and I'm waiting, I'm waiting, waiting. And then I kind of look, I see all these feet and nothing's happening, and Chuck is standing over me

going like this. And everybody's like, put it away, Chuck. Put it away, put it away. The Iceman cometh, baby. And he came and said, Chuck, Jay, you guys are good. Go down the back stairs. Man. Stray Kids, I love it.

Dude, I didn't start it. This guy's doing this. That's how you celebrate a Super Bowl. That's how you celebrate a Super Bowl tell you celebrate a Super Bowl oh man remember that same one struck and I got McLovin into the Maxim Party whoa yeah how cool is that underage oh my organ donor shout out McLovin oh my gosh. This was 17 to 14. The Giants were 12 point underdogs in this one. Maybe the biggest upset in Super Bowl history.

Is that the biggest, well what's the biggest? Point spread, I believe it is 12. Let me double check here on the chart. Is this the biggest NFL upset in the history of the league? Yeah. Not even close. Is that the best team to never win a Super Bowl? Yes.

Is that team, that team's ranked up all time teams, even though they didn't win the Super Bowl? Any other day they would have won, like, against anybody. I know, it's crazy. More points than anybody else, defenses beyond loaded. By the way, look at this, most watched Super Bowl in history are 97 to half.

And what do we have this year, 137? Yeah. Something like that? That's just, the game's grown 30 grown 30 million views and the Giants bring home the first Super Bowl since 91 When they beat Buffalo 20 to 19. Oh my god. Remember that one. We did that game with John Bon Jovi. We did that game John Bon Jovi 25 Stray got his first Super Bowl and retired after the game would join Fox NFL Sunday and be teammates with you guys How cool is that that your friends and then you get to work at Fox NFL Sunday and be teammates with you guys. How cool is that that you're friends and then you get to work at Fox?

I know. Well, not only that, Kurt Menafee too, when Stray couldn't draw me home, Kurt would. Really? Menafee was around back then? Yeah, he was working at Channel Fox. Oh, nice. And so I really learned, and then he and I hosted a show together called Unnecessary Roughness at Madison Square Garden.

Sure. And they actually asked me, you could have any player you want to co-host with. And first I was going to do a Tiki. And I said, can I actually have not a player, can I have Kurt Menafee? Because I want to learn how to host. And he was one of my best friends.

And I got to learn, you always got to work your craft. You know, always learn, right? And Kurt is the greatest. So we did that together. And that's the the thing the three of us always kind of whenever something cool happens We definitely definitely don't act like ah Been there like we there's several times you were like can you believe we're all doing this? Yeah, it's amazing gratitude You got to enjoy those moments. We have we have those Every time we're at something cool or big or you guys should go to Gratitude Cafe together. On March 3rd. We live in Gratitude Cafe. That's right, baby.

Official Giants after party. It was at Tao in Vegas. Oh. Okay. So I asked the time. Wait, in Vegas, what was the Super Bowl? Arizona. No, so it was like a week later, whatever. They were throwing like a Arizona? No, so it was like a week later, whatever. They were throwing like a, you know, after party, Giants shoot ball party, right? And with Strahan. So I'm living in Arizona at the time, and I'm training, you know, like Julius Peppers,

all these guys, so I asked Pep, and Pep was my direct training partner, which is stupid. And I'm fucking stuck with Sasquatch. And Jason Kyle, who was a long snapper for the Panthers, they said, you guys want to come out, we're going to go to Vegas for the, I noticed the Giants, you want to come? They're like, yeah, we'll go.

So they come out. Well, Tau thought Michael was getting all the Giants. Michael thought Tau was getting all the Giants. There was one Giant there and two Carolina Panthers. For the near-Giants football party. Oh man, Tau knows how to do it right. Miscommunication. That's called cross-pollination right there, boys. Oh man Communication that's called cross pollination out there boys. Oh Alright, let's name the game. Is this the 18 and one game?

Which it's already on the scorecard as 18 and one the David Tyree game the 18 wins and one giant loss game Mike drop game double untongue Strayhand, you know. This one's for Strayhand game. It's the David Tyree game. This is the David Tyree game. Score the game, is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes, J, zero to 10, decimals, okay.

The stakes of this undefeated season on the line game stakes for ten yeah this is a ten for me yeah yeah yeah yeah absolutely double tens yeah yeah absolutely because this is history the only two bigger sticks this one and then this year with the Chiefs to be three Pete yeah that's because it has extra that is exactly only 10 Jack at a 9.. We have done this game before it was our very first episode episode One we had Eli Manning and Teddy bruskie on they zoomed in so we have an existing score from this So that was a 7.9 a 9.7 star power a lot of stars on a lot of stars Alicia Keys pregame over here warm and I'm petty

Petty all right P. All right P man star power Tom Petty, Tom Petty. Tom Petty. R.I.P. R.I.P. man. Star power. So here's the thing, at the time you wouldn't think so, a lot of guys who become stars as a result. Right, they're bigger.

A lot bigger names. Patriots had stars on that team. Patriots are a billion in star power. Giants were probably a sixth star power. Just Strahan, Manning. Like you had O.C. and you had Antonio Pierce. Strahan. Right?

Strahan was a star. Yeah, but that's about Eli and Plex. So you got a grade. Plex was a star. So if I had the Johnson five and them in the tens, that's seven and a half, right? Seven and a half, wow. I'm going to go with like an eighth and a half.

Nine, yeah. Jack had a 9.1. I had a 8.5. You know what I'm thinking about back then. Our current was 8.7. You don't think about back current was a point you wouldn't think you're not a score you're trying to that's a great score this is your score yeah that's a good score gameplay the low scoring but fuck gameplay was incredible yeah crazy cat still mate quarters wine said yeah or but also just how they all played each other man they were I'm gonna go with the

Patriots defense was unbelievable too. Yeah. They were sick. Yep. I'm going to go with the nine, two. Jack has 3.1. Oh, that's my Homer in me. That's his Homer.

I had an 8.1. Our prior score was a 6.7. No, the game play was great, man. Now the name of the game, the David Tyree game. Cultural impact. When you think about this game and the annals of football history. Sports history. Well it's not up to her, it's not like an ice bowl,

or it's not right, it's not 28 to three, it's not. It's 18 to one though. Yeah but you're calling it the David Tyree game, if you're talking like people who aren't die hard but they know what it is, right? That's how you have to grade it, right? Yeah, yeah. I'd say it's probably a seven.

Seven. This is an integrity type score there, Jay. I care about your show. You know, I'm gonna go with the 8.1. I'm biased because I know football names. Jack had a 6.7, hater. I had a 9.4 and our prior score was 8.8. Where does it put us on now?

Calculating. 8.41. Whoa, second time. Where does that go on? Pretty good. 8.41. So it's currently, it goes down. It was 21. It's now tied for 25 with the other giant Super Bowl wide right.

So it's our mediums. Oh, giants man. That Malcolm Butler game, that was one of the best games ever. That's ridiculous. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And the wide right. Oh yeah, yeah. That was, whoa. So it's tied for's ridiculous. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. And the wide right. Oh yeah, yeah.

That was, whoa. So it's tied for a name with wide right with the other Giants. Yeah. There you go. We got Couture and Liddell over there. We did. Yeah.

Which one? Right here. 52, the middle one, I think. The middle one? Yeah. Yeah. Chuck got him. Wait, go back, go back.

How was the Miracle game? I saw it somewhere. It's not. It's five. It's too low. It's too low. It's five, yeah. It's too low. It's gotta be up there. Yeah.

And we got two hockey in the top five though. What's the Super Blood Wolf Moon? That's the 2018 AFC Championship game. Why was it called Super Blood Wolf Moon? Cause that's what, there was like a Super Blood Wolf Moon. That was like once in a generational thing that ever happened that night. Pinky ass, pink moon, full moon.

Kind of a passing of the torch game. You know, if you're in this astrology, like a lot of our listeners are. It got really high scores for being like the two dynasties. This is cool. And I like, hold on, I wanna say this, this is pretty cool. I also liked the China versus USA girls, 1999.

Women, chesties. Yeah, yeah. Women. But Titans, Rams, that was sick. We did that with Kurt Warner. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We did yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah we have a bit of a recency bias in some of these games we're getting close to our hundredth game you covered Russell many one before Russell many 35 we haven't done it you haven't done that these are only done really You know who the referee was? Who? Muhammad Ali. Wow. You were there, man.

Wow. Might have to have you back and do that game. Yeah, that's incredible. I can probably tell you the whole card. I was such a wrestling fan back then. At the Garden, too, just makes it so much special. WrestleMania 1. I think Liberace was the timekeeper.

I'm dead serious. Who else can you name? Well, if you guys are going to do it, I'm going to give away the timekeeper. I'm dead serious. Who else can you name? Well, if you guys can do it, I'm going to give away the whole car. But it was Mr. T and Hulk Hogan against Ronnie Piper and Mr. Wonderful Paul Orndorff. Jimmy Superfly Stucka was in the corner

and Cowboy Bob Orton was in bad guy's corner. Is Ben Stiller playing the cop? That's fantastic. It looks like him. And there's Kurt over there. He doesn't look like he's behind him. Working on Fox Five. That's crazy.

Jay, we missing anything about this game? No, I don't think so. I told you all that, me bothering Stray, but at least your keys. Can we find out what you'd sing the national anthem? And while everyone's out there, go check out Unbreakable with Jay Glazer, a mental health podcast.

Mental wealth podcast. Well, mental wealth podcast. Yeah, she did the National Anthem. National Anthem. Longest in Super Bowl history. Really? 156.4 seconds. Hope you had the over.

Hope you had the over. That's good with me. Everyone be sure to check out Jay Glazer on Instagram x TikTok Snapchat. Are you on all of them? Uh no I'm on uh threads Instagram. Threads. Threadsmen. You never know you might get a little nugget. Dude I can't deal with. Getting tweeted up. Do you check your shit on? Fuck no. You want to talk about mental health issues? Oh my god. Oh my god. Some man and and you know I post a lot about my wife and I. These motherfuckers, the shit they say about her,

holy fuck. She recently just got dragged on Facebook. Just dragged for being with me like, oh, well he has money. My wife was more successful than I am. My wife was a huge star in the 90s, and she and her sister, they're Tennyson twins, they're like the Black Pan Manderthans back in the day. So her twin sister, they're Tennyson twins. They're like the Black Pan Mandersons back in the day.

Yeah, so her twin sister Renee was the first ever Black playmate of the year. My wife was the first Black model for Frederick's of Hollywood. And I think my wife was the second Black Showcase showgirl on Price of Right. And then she was on that show. I remember the workout show on ESPN2 with Kiana,

Flex Appeal, that really beautiful Hawaiian girl. She was the Black was on that show. Remember the workout show on ESPN2 with Kiana, Flex Appeal, that really beautiful Hawaiian girl? She was the black chick on that. And then she was on, she was the face of like 30 ad campaigns. And then at one point, and then she and her sister did Playboy together and they're in Cuba with Fidel Castro gave them the okay. And then he changed his mind when they were there

and they had to escape Cuba. And whoever the president of the United States at the time find Hugh Hefner a quarter of a million dollars for sending the Tennyson twins down to Cuba. But they were there with Casper. Sounds like a movie. Sounds like a movie. Sounds like a movie. Oh my gosh. And then they were done with the model and they're like, you know, don't like where the business is going. They started a clothing company. They've owned 30 clothing stores

all across from LA, all the way, Cali, all the way to Idaho, and just retired in COVID. So shout out to Jake Lazer's wife. Damn right. So the point is she don't need my fucking money. I need hers. Oh, you Facebook thrill, shut up. So don't.

You better though, is she not the nicest human, right? She's a sweetheart. I call her my sister Prozac and Zoloft. They're like, they're walking antidepressants. You've been really nice to them and I appreciate you out of here. They're awesome You're awesome. But that's just but it now what's cool about Fox. Everybody always I'm sure you get this now a lot, right? Are you guys really like that? How much do we love each other? We do hang out We constantly hang out together, right? It is a team that that's what other people miss Like if you love each other it comes across on TV We constantly hang out together, right? And we're like. It is a team. That's what other people miss.

Like if you love each other, it comes across on TV. And who do you want to choose? You want to choose people who are at war with each other, people who really love each other. We are best man at each other's weddings. It's been a lot of freaking weddings. You know, Godfather each other's kids, like raise each other.

And it's a cool family to be. Authenticity sells, buddy. Yeah, it definitely does, man. Authenticity sells. I'm proud to be your teammate, man. I really am. I'm happy to be your teammate. Yeah, I appreciate it.

And I appreciate you let me join around. I get to watch the show with the big boys while they're preparing. I'm a little fly on the wall watching. No, you're good. You're great for the room now. Jay and Howie and Terry and Coach, Mike. How much were you shitting your pants

the first couple weeks being in there about? What is Mike? Yeah, well, you see me, I say quiet. I just sit in the back. Because Sean Payne used to talk his ass off and we're like, Sean, shut the fuck up. Yeah, and I said, we want to see what you were gonna do and you just, I think one day, right, TV said, you're like, okay, I'm just gonna shut up and sit back here, but it's nerve-racking, right? You know what? I know how to be a rookie, okay? Yes, yes. The first person, what I, the first person I buttered up was Howie.

No doubt. At that first dinner. The first dinner he asked me for a dip. He was like, here Mr. Long. And so my first production meeting, Howie's sitting down, because the big guys, they have these cool seats, and I walked by, I didn't say anything, I just put a tin right on how he's desk and kept it moving. He looked at me. He's like

And it was just that's all So I don't I don't talk unless I'm talked to Sometime I've gotten a little more you wait for them to leave now. We sit in half time. Yeah I'm a good audience for you. It's hard. It's hard to stay quiet for so damn long. But it's horrifying, right? When you're sitting here like, what do I do?

Not anymore. No, no, first. At first, yeah. They've all been, everyone, you know, like, it's just, that's like football locker room mentality anyways, like, so like, I had to put in my time before I could do anything and learn them and let, you gotta learn how they want,

you know, like, cause they're the vets. But think how hard this was for me, again, you're a fucking hall of famer, okay? I'm a reporter, they don't know, coming in there and all of a sudden taking air time. Think how horrifying that was for me. And they would get up and stand in front, like, we don't want this kid here,

like, oh, it was brutal, man. Now, thank God we got through it. We're teammates now, it's been awesome. Now thank God we got through it. We're teammates now. Teammates, man. It's been awesome. Got our little bracelet on. And Jay, thanks for coming on the show. Appreciate it, brother. Love you, brother.

Love you, bro. Thanks, man. Man! Oh, Jay. Jay brings the energy, baby. He brings the heat. Oh, I love it. You know, you got a little bit of everything from Jay.

You got some fire. You got some wind. you got some wind, you got a couple, we almost shed a couple tears, there's a couple more showers. Did we? He hits every aspect of the circle when it comes to being an interviewee. Oh man, and Jay's been through the wringer, man.

He came up in New York, in the 90s, Jersey, gritty, man, if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere, as he said. Anywhere. Incredible. What a guy. Inspiring dude, too. He's inspiring.

He's an awesome dude. He literally would give you that shirt off his back. I don't want to minimize it, because Jay's so much more than this, but as far as the vibes guy go, that's a foxhole guy. A guy you want in the avocado room with you. Oh, yeah. A guy you want to watch the games.

Oh, yeah, no. Oh, he might break. Well, he's a man of integrity though. AKA sources, Jay Glazer, Fox hole guy. He definitely is a cause there'd be a grenade thrown in, in, in the avocado room. Jay, just to show his toughness to Howie, would probably go jump on it. Does he still try to impress Howie? Even after all these years? No, but for sure. You could tell, remember he said in an interview, he goes, you know, all the guys were busting my balls,

because he's the only non-football guy, even Kurt, you know? But Kurt has different energy, you know? Jay's getting in there. Oh yeah. It's insane, the lore he has with Stray and Menafee, like they go back way deep. Way deep. Driving them to practice, like unreal.

And that's why there's so much great chemistry on the show. It's insane. You know? Man. It's fun to hear these stories and learn that, cause I didn't know that. I didn't know that. I didn't know any of that learn that because I didn't know that I didn't know that I didn't know any of that stuff and I know any of it. I work with them I want to be a fly on the wall for him drinking with those coaches at the owners meeting

Oh, yeah, we gotta get to the could we gotta get you know what we should We should throw Jack in the coaches meeting. I like that Jackson Yes, just just paint me like a like a brick pattern and I'll just lean up against the wall like the whole time I'll do you know me you wall like the whole time. You don't see me? You won't hear me? Or do I get to hang out and pull up a seat at the table? Take a, like create a role for you to be there. Yeah, I was going to say, I don't want to be like in a ghillie suit in the bush, like

looking like a bush. I want to be there. I want to seat at the round table. I don't know if you'll get a seat, Jack. Standing room only? Yeah, you could be standing room, like you'd have to go get like a couple waters and stuff for the guys. Yeah, yeah. I'm now a runner. I mean, you'd be like an get like a couple waters and stuff for the guys yeah I'm now I mean you're gonna be like offensive assistant yeah yeah I

like that what are the coach the GAs yeah college they call them in the pro it's like the offensive coaching assistant whatever yeah or something lights on maybe like Dan Campbell's Ottoman if he needs one I'll just you know what the more you can do, you'll learn that in that room full of men, the more you can do. The more you can do. You know what I wanted to ask him, didn't get to, is any coach got like a real weird order

that you clown him for? Like who's pulling up with some white claws or ordering like an Appletini, you know what I mean? Yeah, we didn't get into drinks. We didn't get to ask. Seemed like one of those things that he could only be so tight lipped about what goes on there. I bet you old Andy though. Old Andy opens up by drinking a Coca-Cola little caffeine in there.

Oh! Hey! Hey! Hey, as long as it's cold, I think they're allowed to. No! I thought cold you're allowed to. I don't know. I thought it was just hot.

We can't do any caffeine? I don't think there's any caffeine. But they love the soda. The Mormon, the LDS members love Sip in the soda places and loading up those sodas, baby. Have you seen those Austin? Callie used to love soda. He's a woman. Yeah, he used to love I get He he loved his soda. Remember how many times Peyton Manning hung him out to dry over the middle? I don't think he does. I don't. Stop.

Sorry. All right. Let's get into more of a chill mindset. Wait, hold on. Hold on. I want to speculate wildly at how Jay got that Spygate tape. Yeah. What the heck, bro?

Yeah. That was... Let's just speculate wildly about it. How the hell did he get it? We just had the guy that literally tried to take down our freaking organization. He plays it at parties. Like... Plays it at parties. Plays it at parties is wild. We just had the guy that literally tried to take down our freaking organization who plays in a party like plays at a party plays it at parties like that I feel like they don't teach you that at journalism school yeah I mean wait but

like how did he really get that I can just make sure you let me speculate wildly yes speculate well disclaimer for audience this is made up in fiction Eric Mangini yes you think yeah is he the, yeah. Yeah, not him, but there's still someone on the staff that maybe he wanted to go to the Jets, but maybe he got blocked or something. And that person had the tape and they sent it. I don't mind that theory.

I think Mangini was pulling the strings. I don't think he had the tape. I think there was a mole inside the Patriots organization organization or it could be front office person, right? Cuz then the NFL have that see I don't know that's before my time Despite I wasn't a like I was we didn't really It was national but it wasn't like you're hitting the West Coast when you're 12 years old 14 years old. Yeah What was that? That was what? 2007 yeah, yeah seven opening week. I was that? That was what? 2006? 2007. 2007, yeah.

Yeah. 2007. Opening week. I was in college. I wanted to know if it was like a. Heading down to the champs sports, hanging out with the boys. I wanted to know if it was like a tape.

Like if it was still like magnetic tape. I wonder. Versus being like a DVD. And if it's taped to play, does he still have like a VCR setup? At his. Or does he just have like a Sony handy cam that he plugs into his TV and he plays it back on that way That's got to be a tape gotta be to yeah I also wonder why they say they destroyed the tape when the NFL got there like yeah, I don't ever understood that

Destroy the evidence like when they should it's either damning or not damning. It's one of the other right? But like why would you admit to you know what I mean? Like it's one thing is like oh you guys to get it You're over with it. It's like with, to go full circle here, audience might not follow, but like what they did with Osama Bin Laden. Oh yeah. They destroyed the tapes. That's right.

Yeah. They said his porn collection was crazy. Insane. Now I'm thinking of Jay, like when Jay's showing it at a party and he invites like some ladies over or whatever. And like some girls like walking around with a beer at the party and she just like stops and like she's like, Oh

my God, is that, is that Brian Schottenheimer's hand signal and a gotta have it situation? Where did you get this? He just like impresses the heck out of her. It's like, yeah, I got the tape. Yeah. The only one that exists right there. She's like, Oh wow, Jay, I love you. Freaking Jay. He was great. Just impressing the ladies. He also had the other tape for the flake gate. Oh yeah, what is this? This guy's got tape. Lord, I have more tape than a goddamn trainer.

Jay's basement just looks like a blockbuster. God. This guy's got tapes. Oh my gosh. Fucking Jay, thank God he's our teammate now. I love him. We'll be right back after this quick break. Explore the winding halls of historical true crime

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celebrity sports fans. Oh, I like where we're going here. Give us the whole thing, Jackie. Just for basketball, baby, you can have a starting five for anything. What we're going to do here, snake draft, Kyler, I'm going to need you as the commission of this to keep me in line here. Yeah, got you.

Going celebrity sports fan, you're trying to build your ultimate starting five. Those people you see court side, the guy you see right behind home plate, the dude that's tweeting every game, the celeb that you know just bleeds for their team, the diehards. All right. Full disclosure here.

There are no names on the board. There's no pool. So Jules doesn't have a pool. We have computers, scouts honor. I'm not looking. I'm not looking. All from the dome. This is from the honor code straight on the board. There's no pool. So Jules doesn't have a pool. We have computers, scouts honor. I'm not looking. I'm not searching. All from the dome. This is from the honor code, straight from the dome.

We gotta go five? When you think of this team and you think, oh, those people that come to mind. Who's going first? You're going first. You're going first, baby. Lead us off. What do you want, Jack, to go first?

Are you scared? I'll let Jack go to first. You're so scared. You don't want the ball on crutch time? Ooh. Jack. I'll let Jack go to first. You're so scared. You don't want the ball on crutch time? Ooh. Jack. With my first pick in the Celebrity fan starting five draft, I'm going with my man, Jack.

That's a great one on one. Jack Nicholson. All right, now me. Courtside, baby. Now you. You're fucking my shit up. Sitting with Lou Adler. I'm going Spike Lee.

I like it. Did I take your pick? I mean everyone knows Jack. Yeah, you gotta go Jack, Jack's my no. Okay, I'm gonna go. I like Spike, great pick. I'm gonna go Will Ferrell. Ooh, for USC?

For all of it, right? He covers multiple sports, LAFC owner, he shows up to Kings games, USC guy. I like that idea, but I will say unexpected. Really? Yeah, I didn't expect that. What were you expecting? I don't know, but I like it.

The one line's pretty strong here. You know, I go, because now it goes to me. No, it goes to me now, we're gonna snake it. Okay, go ahead. See, that's why you gotta keep me honest. I don't wanna just snake it. This is purely for the memes and The topical I'm gonna go with Timothy shamroo. Oh, no, you took Timmy. Take him the snake draft. I hate the snake I wanted to take Timmy Timothy's shallow maze. Yeah, he is bringing back. I mean

You've seen the memes The swag the aura we haven't seen that in years Yo, and I'm a next you want to go with that kind of recency bias? It's your turn now Joel. You want to go with that? I'm going to go with Pat McAfee with anything Indiana. Wow Okay, I like that sleeves off baby I mean this he hypes up he tried to change the Thunderdome into the Pacer dome. Honestly, he turned that thing into Monday Night Raw Hawk didn't let him because the champion, but he really does support all the Indianapolis teams. He loves those teams. And he's, I remember him talking about them

because he always had Halliburton on the show early. Halliburton, they were talking about early in the year, like we were a good team, man. So it's been fun to watch them do well, and he's been on that. It's been, he's a big-ass Indiana fan. He's repping them basketball does have some of an unfair advantage here Just because court side or so much more involved than any other team in the last notable indie fan was freaking Jared Fogle, man He's he's really putting it on the map. All right, we got it. Sorry Sorry, I forgot I forgot about my John Mellicamp my freshman year Virginia Tech I go to just one of the bullshit afternoon games and like they did a thing between the third and fourth quarter where they did the hokey pokey

because the hokey is where they had like the band all the tuba players would go out on like the goal line and do the tuba and left foot in right foot in that whole thing and they would get celebrity guests to join them and Jared Fogel was one of the celebrity guests. Why was he Blacksburg? Promoting Subway. Oh my gosh dude. With my second pick, I think I'm going to have to take the Homer pick here. And I'm going Donnie Wahlberg baby. Blue Bloods baby. Boston Blue baby.

Let's go Donnie. Now who's up? Now it's Europe. Fucking we all know what time it is when we hear this name. Let's go. Kid Rock. Oh. Oh. We know he's talking Detroit.

Oh, no. Motherfucking lions in this bitch. Fuck you. My name is Kid. What a pick. Wow. Rock. Rock.

Rock. Ball with a ball on a bank. Come on, baby. Wild pick. Detroit, stand up. Wild pick. Detroit, we need to have a good year. What?

M&M's, I don't wanna say names, but bro. I did not expect that. Most unexpected pick of the drafts of the year. Okay, so it's my turn. I'm gonna have a derby a couple of times, we took down a couple of silver bullets together. I'm going ice cube. Oh, wow, president of Raider Nation, bro.

I'm going with another homer pick here, and it pains me to pick a New York Knickerbocker fan. Let's take our boy Sam Morell, baby. Hey! Come on, baby. He's been high on them Knicks since we met him. I know, what's he thinking about Tibbs? We gotta ask him.

I know, what the hell? I'm gonna shoot him a text, we'll text him. Okay, I thought he was doing, I don't get basketball. I thought he was a good coach. They said Carl Anthony Towns didn't want him. Yeah. I don't know, I think there was some Players were running that locker room. I don't get basketball. It's I thought he was a good coach. They said Carl Anthony Towns We didn't want him. Yeah, I don't know. I think there was some players were running that locker room I know so it's my turn to go again. Yep. I mean Snoop Dogg Oh Snoop D. Oh double G. Baby who for it is you got a very

Fan you got a very nice list here. I got a sports fan. Yeah for sure and shout out Rocking a penguin's Jersey ball. I'm like as hell that was And shout out, Jaden Jue was rocking a Penguin's jersey. That was sick as hell. That was too. Okay, Jules. Fucking Wahlberg, dawg. Gotta go, yeah baby. Gotta go Wahlberg. Two Wahlbergs, one draft, let's go.

Come on dawg, we got Wahlberg here. We got Wahlberg, ay, we got, come on dawg. Yes. Yes. Okay, Jack. I love this. These are your last two. Oh, am I picking back to back?

Let's go with John Bon Jovi. Ooh. Friend of the show, JBJ. JBJ? That was going to be mine. Oh, was it? Oh, am I picking back to back? Let's go with John Bon Jovi. Friend of the show, JBJ. That was going to be mine. That was a later issue. Is it me again? Oh man. This guy that's on my mind right now,

it's tough because he's not really a fan of any team per se, more of a fan of ball. I think I want to go with James Goldstein, my main man. Jimmy Goldstein. A fan of any team per se, more of a fan of ball. I think I want to go with James Goldstein, my main man. Okay. Jimmy Goldstein. Now we like that one. I like that. I like that.

It's a very you list. Yeah, I like this list. For my last one. I wish these teams could be like 10 people long. No, I've hit a little bit of the, little bit of everywhere. I think I got to go Midwest again. Okay.

The Heartland. Fly over. Yeah. I think I gotta go Midwest again. Okay, the Heartland flyover. Yeah I think I gotta go Heidi Gardner. Yes, it's crazy. We haven't said a Kansas City person yet. Oh I just got really loaded. She got game when we love I broke down the sport She was throwing out Super Bowl party. She knew ball play names. She played call superstition Super Bowl parties, play names, play calls, superstitions, she knew roll out, she knew snap count, she was impressive and she's a baller. I would love her, would love to have her back. She's a real fan. Yes, real deal. Not some Johnny come lately, Van Wagon.

I love Nikki and she makes fun of me all the time, but she just loves Taylor. Yes. And that loves the Chiefs. From Missouri, so there's some tie, but yeah, I'm with you. Heidi's OG. Wait is Mickey from st. Louis. Is she? Like the st. Louis suburbs. I think yeah. Oh so I'm way off. No, but like way off I don't think. That's close. Did she say that in our interview though? What? Is she just like? Yes, like you just start like It's more of a Taylor thing. Yeah. She's still learning the game which we love. also I mean it's totally kosher for a st. Louis person to be a chief man yeah yeah it's the same right there yeah yeah and then

Ram's yeah or not people follow it opens up that opens up so many possibilities I could go any West Coast chiefs oh wait up oh man all right we have honorable mentions wait can we add a six man or something? Okay, so I got a six I'm gonna go Paul Rudd. Oh Rudd dog ant man Rudd dog knows NFL regular caller on like good morning football I like all the sports and didn't who told us the story where he put it in one of his deals Yeah, and didn't who told us the story where he put it in one of his deals

Where he had to be traveled during the movie if they made this oh, yeah, oh So we're gonna wriggle story or who told us that yeah, we're doing an honorable mention now. No, this is six man Oh six minutes, so then it's my turn because it's the snake draft. Okay Guy Fieri, yeah Good one. Well, you got Raider nation represented Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm He gonna light up some threes and some like feelers or something with some baggy ass shit on Adam Sandler Say it how do you last this long? I know he loves some shitty teams too like the Jets Yeah, yeah, I mean Kevin James down there on this island. I know that's a great one. See a man I can't wait for Happy Gilmore to coming out man. Let's go me awesome Well, you just streaming it's free. Yeah, and that's what Netflix. Yeah, you pay for Netflix. When is it? So July? Let me know is gonna go to theater first. I don't know that's not Netflix's model

July 25th coming up damn 20 me awesome July 25th coming up. Damn. Not too long. It's going to be awesome. Kayla Traven there. Maybe we can break through and get Sandler on to promote that. Oh, that would be awesome. Sandman, yeah, we got him. Sandman in the Nuthouse, whoo, whoo, whoo. That would be epic.

For my sixth pick, I'm going with a friend of the show, a guy we have absolutely no beef with, Ben Affleck. We love you, Ben. We love you, bro. We love you, bro. Affleck. Jack, say your team. Jack Nicholson, my man. Donnie Wahlberg, Sam Morrell, JBJ, John Bon Jovi, James Goldstein coming in, and off the bench,

the sixth man, Ben Affleck, my main man. Jules? I got Spike Lee, Pat McAfee, Kid Rock, Mark Wahlberg, Maki Mac, Heidi Gawdina, and Adam Sandler. That's a great list. I got Will Ferrell, Timothy Chalamet, Ice Cube, Snoop Dogg, Paul Rudd, and Guy Fieri.

Now that's a list. Yeah. Who's Will Ferrell like? It's not even close. Who's Will Ferrell like? USC Trojans the Dodgers These USC people think that to People out here they're like yeah, you're like we're basically a pro football team

football team. Yeah, I got, I got current, historic, historic. I got west coast. I got football and basketball. I got some hockey in there. Do you just jealous? My nation had on what you talking about? I got hockey in there too. Sam man loves hockey. Oh yeah. Does he? Happy Gilmore. Happy Gilmore dog. Yeah but he's a Rangers guy but he's rocking a Bruins jersey. Is he a Rangers guy? Yeah, he fucking, he method acts dog.

He's from New York but he's all New York. Spike Lee likes fucking the Rangers too. Spike baby. McAfee, he's a Pittsburgh Penguins fan. He's a Pittsburgh Penguins fan. I was trying to go Penguins fan. Kid Rock loves the Red Wings. Was I gonna do Dave Fellini? There's not a lot of like... You know Wahlberg has he goes to Bruins game. Let's see, he's dropped the fucking puck. Oh, yeah. Gardner, you got me on one. I don't know her. She's great.

I don't know if she's got a hockey team though. I don't know. See my... John Ham's a blues guy. John Ham's a blues guy. He was a blues guy cuz I'm Rams guy before he hopped to chiefs Now we could have done Brad Pitt Brad Pitt's a Saints guy who else man that do I have one movie guy? Yeah How good I've heard he's like Saints or Chiefs. Okay, Brad Pitt regardless. He looks so cool And then he's a man. I want to see miss f1 which oh f1 looks so good. When is it comes out soon? Yeah, it's like let me double check here is I will say this, the Maverick Top Gun was like a perfect movie. June 27th.

It was like how they made it was like a perfect movie. Now was it the highest level of art? No, but like how they shot it and the story and how they acted, it was like a great fucking film. Javier Borden is going to be in that? Yeah. He's going to be in F1, Borden? It's going to be sick.

Man, I got to say though, I didn't buy all the like, the F1, like now we're f1 tunes cuz there's a Netflix show But like I can separate this from more of an ass car guy myself, right? That's right, baby Swap and paint I like cars that all go the same speed and the drivers determine on how he drives raise hell praise Dale Baby, I like and I also like that, you know Bumpin is racing They can't bumping that that open wheel shit Rubin's racing baby. He hit me no call He first your last rubin is racing feet first your we gotta get an ass. Oh great list

We gotta hit a race. We got one earn heart. We got Dale. You're coming. We got it We got an ascar guy coming soon. I want Dale Me and Dale spoke at the day tone of 500 for about to five minutes DM them. We've been talking with him He's just in North Carolina. He's the man. Let's go do let's go to Chapel Hill and do some Ascars man, I've low-key I've started like two races that New Hampshire one. I was there with you for the fucking You did Long Beach who was uh was it kyle bush who fucking rubs me yeah it was kyle bush fucking asshole i'm in the pit car and this guy fucking starts rubbing me and this thing's got no suspension i'm

going like 46 miles an hour on this pitch turn these guys are like going back and forth and stuff warming up their tires this little like toyota that i have it has no suspense he's bumping me i'm like oh shit i'm trying to start the race it felt like I felt like I was in Dazing Days of Thunder because I looked back in the rearview mirror under a this under a soft snuck us into like the owners box and we got kicked out yeah look at this picture spread was so much better than the box and then we took a helicopter or a jet after the Super Bowl to Daytona 500 that was was sick. Whoa. That was cool. Bro, look at you in the M&M's jacket.

Fire. I think I still have that jacket somewhere. Oh, hell yeah. That's a fire jacket. That's fire. Ninko? Is that Ninko? Does that say Bruceki?

Oh, it's Bush. Yeah. That's Mayo, Ninko, Soldier, and Mwah. Let's go. Tight crew. Cool. Well, that's a comment's go. To the crew. Cool. Well, that's a comment on whose team is the best. Yeah, you guys already know.

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