Games with Names - Super Bowl XVIII with Howie Long | Redskins vs. Raiders

Episode Date: December 17, 2024

Howie Long is in studio! The Hall of Famer, Super Bowl Champion, and Raider legend is with us to relive Super Bowl XVIII. Howie joins us on the couch (2:23). We go back to January of 1984 (1:07:56). We look back at these rosters (1:20:07). We dive into the game (1:39:41). We score it (2:32:50). We wrap it up with a brand new segment (2:44:36). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You didn't get in there. You know, there are very few people that were in there that survived. As a broadcaster, seeing it finally was like Morgan Freeman getting in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and then walking out of it and thinking, am I going to get shot here? Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler and we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode we are covering Super Bowl 18 Washington Redskins versus the Los Angeles Raiders. With pro football Hall of Famer, arguably the most legendary Raider alive. Howie Long.

Yes! We get into his best Al Davis story. Howard, he called me Howard. He'd think it tough. I'm like, does this guy think he can take my ass? What it's like to raise two NFL sons and have another son working in the NFL. People don't realize how hard it is as a dad

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Super Bowl 18. The Hogs versus the Silver and black for all the marbles. And it was all rrrrrr haters. This is just one baby. I like it. I like it. Welcome to Games with Names on today's episode. Thank you. Welcome to Games with Names on today's episode. We have a very special guest, folks. We're gonna be talking about Super Bowl 18 Raiders,

those legendary Raiders versus those legendary Redskins, defending Super Bowl champion Redskins in this game with the legend himself, coworker, father figure of my network, I feel, Howie Long. Welcome to the studio, Howie. Great to be here. I appreciate you coming. You got a great place here for people who are watching and wondering what it's like

around here. This place is, you're tucked away up in the end of a cul-de-sac. It's like you're in witness protection. What did you do? I didn't do anything. I didn't do anything. But did you, so I remember actually, let's segue to this. One of the first times I started working with Howie,

he was explaining how he takes a look at all entry ways. You were explaining that you're like very survival. When you sit somewhere, like did you look at all my exit plans of this Colta SAC area? Is this safe enough? I work kinda, you know, we're dug in here. So I mean, if we have to fight our way out,

you know, I'm sure you have a reserve here that we can tap into. We got how it will be safe right now. No, you always do. You sit in the room and, you know, it's, yeah, the guy with the check shirt, he looks like he can handle himself. He's maybe 210, you know,

he looks like he's still in shape. Maybe he can do some things you know it's like I always say I remember I I I was over in Italy with my wife Diane and what's what's the rapper's name Kanye Kanye Kanye comes in and he's got a bodyguard that's like maybe six feet buck 90 and. And I said, that guy really, that scares you because if he's six feet and a buck 90, he knows something really good. He's a UFC fighter.

He can do something. And my wife's pulling up the camera, I said, look, put the camera down. I said, cause first I gotta knock out the bodyguard and then deal with him. It's crazy now that back in the day when you guys probably went out, you go to the bar, you see a Buck 90 guy, you're like, oh, this guy's good.

Nowadays, everyone's a UFC fighter. You get in a choke hold. It's crazy. Or we've gotten into the, you know, what's even scarier, what just happened in New York. And, you know, it's a crazy world we're living in, particularly out here. You're on the 405, there's a million people,

and you don't know what everyone else is going through. And you beep your horn, you just be a little more patient in traffic. That's what I would tell my kids. Just be a little more patient, you never know. You never know. So in one sentence, why did you pick Super Bowl,

this game, Super Bowl XVIII? I think in many ways it mirrored kind of the, I go back to that undefeated Patriots team with the Giants. It was kind of like that. We were, I think, nine or ten point underdogs We had lost to them earlier in the year up in Washington October I think Marcus missed and Cliff Branch pulled a hamstring I'm giving you these names like you know out of the archives here, you know, Cliff Branch

Hall of Famer God rest his soul Hall of Famer and great great guy Slept on my sofa my second year because I lived with a guy named Cedric Hardman who was a great pass rusher from the 49ers and the Raiders who famously brought in guys You know old veteran guys that were you know Others would view as being washed and you know, they'd end up contributing to you know, great games and championships and I would say, having lost to them up there in Washington, I forget the score, 35, 34, something like that, I had five sacks and we lost.

I mean, it was one of those games where what ended up being the difference in the game, ironically, ended up being the kind of nail in the coffin for them later on in the Super Bowl, where it was second long, backed up, it might've been third long. And Joe Washington, who was great, great player. He was their change up guy. Riggins was a hammer.

When I say hammer, I mean, you hit John. You hit John, it was like the cartoon thing. And second long backed up. And I think the thought process was we had a big backer Matt Mellon, who was 260, 255. A lot like your guys, your bill tended to lean towards big, big, big backers. But you know, they, Matt would tell you, I'm not high tower, you know, to put it in perspective, I remember one time we were playing San Francisco and they were in split backs.

You know, full back on the tight end side, half back on the weak side, and pre-snap they flipped them. Matt knew exactly what was happening because he's the strong side inside backer. Before the ball was snapped, Matt started to run into coverage out in the flat before the ball was snapped, Matt started to run into coverage out in the flat before the ball was snapped because he knew the halfback was gonna be matched up on him

and that's exactly what they did and he still couldn't get there. But it was one of those physical, we watched them on film that year and it was a lot like watching, I think the Patriots, but in a different sense. It was all counters. It was all you know, you're taking your shots off the counterplay action with a bootleg and Joe Theismann and

the hogs and the offensive line. And we were a good you know, styles make fights. You know, you always hear that term in boxing. And you know, physicality, you know, you have to match that with physicality. It's a lot like playing Detroit now, where, you know, Detroit's real physical, you know, they're going for it a lot on fourth down. He believes that offensive line, it's built from, you know, their front back and the two backs power back and the scat back. And when you looked at them on film leading up to the game, I'm like,

they're scoring 35, 37. They set a scoring record that lasted until the Randy Moss, Chris Carter, Minnesota Vikings. Yeah. What was the points? 34 per game. Yeah, but the the total total points. Yeah, but the total points. Oh, let me double check right now. Yeah, they set a record that was,

wasn't matched until that point. And you're looking at them on film, like nobody's stopping them. People, you have to be, you know, and I always say, it's like Jimmy Johnson and the Cowboys. When they ran Lee Jokereau, Moose Johnson as the fullback.

He'd shuffle off it, whether it's near eye or far eye, where that fullback's offset, or Moose would shuffle over and Moose was just a battering ram. You get a double team at the point of attack. And it's not the first 10 times you play that. It's the 11th, the 12th, the 13th. Who's going to blink? And you have to get in the right mindset versus a team like Washington because they were so good up front physically. Joe Jacoby was, he'd block out the sun. Russ Graham, great player, and Stark and May, and

they had really good players. And it was very good. And their tight ends were very, and this is key, you know, you playing with Gronk is a good example. They weren't Gronk, but you know, they were big tight ends and they were committed to playing and it was counter 66, counter 67, fake counter 67 with the bootleg out to the left. You know, so you had to be committed to it. And I think they got off the plane, coming down there in camo gear. It was like, okay, enough's enough.

It's kind of like when Houston, we played Houston in the playoffs. They all came in Letterman jackets. Remember that? Letterman jackets? They had a Houston Letterman jacket that they made in the divisional round to play the pitch. What did Bill say about that? They took them home.

They watched the game the next week. But it was a big, you know. That's a big deal. Coming off the plane cargo or army unis. And the thing is that year I'm 23 years old. You know? I'm thinking, you know, Lester Hayes, Mike Haynes, Ted Hendricks, Reggie Kinlaw, Bill Piquel, Greg Townsend,

you know, Mike Davis, Van McElroy, you know, Matt Millen, Rob Martin was one of the truly big game playing linebackers. He was, you know, when he put his hands on you, you felt it. He was heavy handed. People don't realize what heavy handed is. Not everybody's heavy handed.

Rob Martin was. A guy that I felt heavy hands on, and I tell the story all the time, Kam Chancellor. Remember that safety? Oh, gotcha. He was like rooted when you go in and have to block that force. And you just feel, you know what a heavy, it feels like they're rooted into the ground

and they can use the force of their hand to like just move you. My Kyle has that where... 100%. It got to a point where, you know, I had to say to Kyle, look, stop, stop poking me. You know, I mean, he, you know, just popped me. One time I thought, you know, I'm in the driveway up in Montana, and this was years ago,

and he was maybe three years in the league with the Bears. And, you know, he's, you know, up in Montana, you're struggling to find a three technique to kind of, you know, give him a simulation on the pass set. So I said, you know what? I'm maybe 57, 58, you know, I'm still running a bit. And you know, I in a full- Did you guys put pads on?

No, no, no, no, no. This was just kind of a mirror drill, as if you were working on releases versus a corner who was in press coverage. And he hit me in the ribs so fucking hard. And I'm telling you, I bitched up so bad. And I just said, don't ever fucking touch me again. I mean, cause Kyle's 330 and you know,

his hands are like that and his forearms are like that. Played pro baseball, got drafted. Got drafted by the White Sox, went down to Florida State. So Kyle and I, for you guys out there, Kyle and I became close when he was coming out for the draft. He was training for his draft at Exos here in LA. And I couldn't believe he was a fucking pitcher. First off, he's like six, six, 300 pounds at the time. And I think't believe he was a fucking pitcher. First off, he's like 6'6", 300 pounds at the time. And I think he was like maybe 330.

320 maybe. 320. But the thing that impressed me the most with him was when we would do our ladder drill. He had amazing quick fucking feet for a guy that was 3'36", 6'. I mean, he was a cool dude. And I mean, if you think of the kids

that Howie Long would have, if you pictured that, that's what he had. Like with what you made, you think like you have Kyle, who's a fucking just thumper. And then you have Chris who's kind of a little smaller, but like rad athletic, crazy. Like he reminded me of you. You guys look alike on the field.

When I watch all your film, like your bottom end from the pants, I was like, man, you guys walk the same. It's fucking crazy. Yeah, genetically. And you see it with other players that are sons of, and you see it, it's just genetics. And we didn't push football. But getting back to the 18 game down there in Tampa Bay,

at 23 I'm thinking, what's so hard about this? This is easy. I mean, you won multiple times. I mean, it's with this group, Plunkett, Marcus Allen, Henry Lawrence, Henry Lawrence, you know, it's, we're, we're pretty good. Todd Christensen, wide receivers and you know, Cliff Branch and the whole thing. And it just goes to show you just, you just don't know and so much, you know, from the top down to the bottom, you know, there are changes and you know, it's

whether it's coaching or, you know, it know, it's subtle changes with scheme. Somebody else comes in and you know, you know, three days in the guy in the front of the room doesn't know what the hell he's doing, you know, and it's when you when you've had great coaching early on and Earl Leggett was Earl Leggett brought me up. He brought Michael Strahan up. We brought both of us up. So Michael Strahan and I look at the game very similarly. We really do. And you know, approach, mindset, preparation. You know, we do 45 up downs in individual period.

Everyone on the other units would watch us. And then we had to run, we were on the small field to the side, and we had to run to inside run. You know, I tell Greg Townsend, I said, look, it's inside run. It's going inside. It's going inside.

It's going inside. You know, so we'll play the inside, let's get through this period. Now is this the greatest game of all time? You know, your game, your game in the Super Bowl when Chris played for the Patriots was so improbable in so many ways. Same halftime score as yours in other ways. Improbable.

And, you know, the irony of that is that Chris played in, listen, St. Louis Rams, they had a run with the greatest show on turf and it was great then when the team is bad and they're winning three games, three games. I mean, you can have 13, 14 sacks and be, you're essentially in the witness protection program. Because it's like a dim, I say it's a dimly lit mall

because the stadium was not the greatest stadium. And it had that kind of, you know, some of the indoor stadiums are kind of- Cheap. It felt cheap, like cheap light. Cheap, yeah, it was just poorly lit. And- I never played there.

Yeah, it was emblematic of, you know, if a tree falls in the woods and there's nobody there to hear it, it doesn't make a sound. When you get 14 sacks there. So Chris was kind of wasting away. He was making good money and signed a second deal. Don't forget, you know, I mean, Jared Goff started out, you know, there and then transitioned to McVeigh and had the run in the Super Bowl and then falls out of grace there and goes to Detroit.

And now he's back again. The trajectory of his career is amazing. But when he became a, you know, he gets released there, he had pops a tendon in his ankle and played shorter than he should have played. He should have waited six, seven weeks instead of four or five weeks. I could see he was limping. We would do drills. He sent me film of him getting off on the ball and I knew it wasn't right. But do I say that to him? And I didn't, and he came back and played heard.

You didn't say it to him because you thought it would hurt his confidence? It's a weird position to be in. I know visually that's not him. But Chris is that guy you have to kill a lot like you, you know, probably more mindset like you probably got you have to kill. If you're going to go, you got to kill him. And what ends up happening is he gets, you know, he gets released.

So he's a free agent. And, you know, there were certain teams that he looked at. He looked at Dallas, New England, Atlanta. I think there were a couple of the teams. And I think he took a trip down to Atlanta and really liked the head coach. I mean, that's a he's a good coach. They were they were rolling that year. We really liked him and like what they were doing.

And, you know, then he's driving to Richmond Airport to get on a flight down to Dallas. And who calls? Bill. There's a sound thing that happens. You know, it's his trumpets from heaven when Bill calls. And Bill gets on the phone and you know that voice. And my point to him was,

at this point you've made all this money. Why are you playing? and you know that voice. Look at the roster, look at the quarterback, look at the head coach. Now when you go there, as you know, particularly on defense. It's tough. It's tough because a lot of times you're playing out of position. The scheme doesn't necessarily fit

unless he's the left side outside linebacker. Is that what he is? He rarely got the opportunity to do that and I think that was frustrating. But he made the most of his opportunities and I didn't push him there But I certainly you know understood the value of if you want to win a championship This place maybe gives you the best chance. So here I am. I can't help you with your biology homework

I can't help you with your trigonometry But I think I can help you with football you can help with football I mean I coached eight years in high school and you know did all that and wanted them to have the foundation of football and Here is the biggest decision He has to make because you don't make the decision on where you go in the draft and he goes to st Louis at the second pick and you know his fate is sealed so My thing was and we're covering the game.

Yeah. Which and I was fine during the week when we walked in the stadium on game day. It kind of hit me and I've never had that feeling, you know, even as a player, you know, you kind of knew the moment before the moment of impact as a player to me was always the worst. I wanted to get hit.

It focuses you up. And you're in a fight. You know, you're nervous, you get hit, you're in a fight and let's go. I always like to get a hit. That's why in my first play always if it was a run play, I going to thump that safety Yeah, and just to let him know I'm here first play was so important Particularly in a three-man front when you're playing in the two gaps game Yeah, and I mean a true two gaps game, you know, you're sit squat and catch and it's a linebacker defense and Yeah, the irony was our defensive line was you know?

The strength of the team. 100%. But we had to get the third down to get in that. So here we are. I walk into the stadium and it's the Super Bowl. Fox is covering. You've got the pregame. It's four or five hours long. We've got our own, as you know now as a broadcaster, there's a lot going on.

A lot going on. A lot going on. There's 32 sections and what are we talking? What's the order? Who's talking about what, et cetera, because you don't want to be redundant and you want to be on top of it. But this hits me.

And I think it's Usher who was there during the day. He kind of had his kind of all access pass into our green room and everything else. He's a huge Atlanta fan. Oh yeah. And you know, which is great. And he's a really nice guy. Yeah.

And I want to say that upfront, he's a really nice guy. But here we are, it's 28 to three. 28 to three in the third. In the third quarter. I'm standing next to Terry and I get kind of quiet. When I get quiet, it's never good. And I'm quiet and Terry knows, I feel like the worst dad in the world.

I pushed this kid. Now he makes his own decisions. He's a grown man, he makes his own decisions. But I certainly played a part in you know, him going to New England over Atlanta, and it's over Atlanta. And it's 28 to three, and I'm the worst dad in the world. I that's how I felt. And Terry says to me like, you know, kind of like Forrest Gump, he just said, Don't worry, little

buddy, Tom's gonna throw it all over the yard and it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be the greatest comeback in Super Bowl history. And I'm like, this, you're out of your freaking mind. You're out of your mind, Terry. And then, you know, I would say the giant catch was the most improbable catch. I think your catch was the most amazing catch I've seen.

And seriously, I mean, I was there, I'm looking at him like, oh, my God, did that just happen? And I'm looking for the review to see if your hands under it. And and it was just the sequence of things that had to happen, including Chris getting a holding call down, down on, it was like first and then it goes to first and 20 and then they decided to throw it and then we got to throw it. What, if you run the ball three times, it would have been a field goal position your field

goal games over you're winning the trophy i you know thank you but you know certainly not from a game management standpoint situational football and you know um i think you know the head coach probably you know it's one of those things where it's like the Chicago game a couple of weeks ago, you know, it's he's gone and yeah, and you don't make that decision and that was completely the Ibru fluce that's malpractice. Yeah, I mean this regardless of what's going on and you wonder what's the coordinator saying to Williams in his headset and you know what's he telling him and he's checking a play yeah it just the clock's running down the fact that they have never it seemed so foreign to them that they haven't gone over this type of situation well there's a lot of there's

a lot of there was a lot of turnover there and you know voices and he's a young kid he's a rookie now he's played a lot of snaps in college but you know, Voices, and he's a young kid, he's a rookie now, he's played a lot of snaps in college, but you know, to start a drive at the one yard line and to be in field goal range immediately, I forget the exact 21 or 22 or whatever it was. And then, well, the first play is a penalty, I think. Hands to the face. Second play is, you know, you take a sack and you can't take a sack and you know, and you can't go through this in a pregame

because you don't have the time. Yeah, and you can't change a play when you have the, like that was the thing with Caleb. That was his fault of the whole thing. First off, it's the coach's fault. Yeah. You see that no one fault of the whole thing. First off, it's the coach's fault. Yeah. You see that no one knows what's going on. That's what you're evaluating as a coach on the sideline.

What's the player? Let's do that. But then secondly, Caleb, you can't change the play when there's only this minute. He changed the play at the last second. You see it? He tried to audible. So to get back to the improbable,

I mean, when I say improbable, there were so many things that had to happen in that half and everything, including the two point conversion, you know, I mean, to two point cover everything. It was fucking hard. And we put in five for that game. It was amazing. And I, and I remember, you know, Chris came on the set and Diane was there and you know,

the boys were there. Kyle had a tendon surgery and he was limping around and, you know, just it was one of those kind of, you know, moments that, you know, is a Polaroid in your head and, you know, and we go back to the hotel. And I remember I'm still in disbelief. And Usher, who had been yelling, you know, after halftime in our green room, you know, you know, Falcons, Falcons screaming and yelling. And in my head, I'm punching him in the face. But I didn't, you know, I'm sitting in the corner. I'm quiet and he's a good guy.

Great guy. Nothing wrong with being a fan. And he probably had no idea that, you know, he didn't put two and two together, but you know, not the place to be yelling. But here we are. I'm we go back to the hotel. And I remember it like it was yesterday. And the family's there. And you know, it's one in the morning. And you can't get room service. I talked to him in the sending us some burgers down the lobby and we're sitting around having burgers

and I go back up to the room finally at like four in the morning. And the game was being replayed on NFL Network. And I had to watch it like, did this really happen? And I was almost, my poor wife's dead asleep and I'm watching NFL Network replay of the Super Bowl and I'm watching it again to say, this really happened. And you know, of course, Chris goes to Philadelphia the next year and

does it again and does it again. And you know, it's a it's a another barn burner game versus New England. What would the average was the average win? Our biggest our biggest win total was 18 when we won by 10 What was the average win number? Our biggest win total was 18 when we won by 10 points against the Rams. It's usually always been four, three, three, four. But that's how we wanted to play the game. That's how Bill wanted to control the game.

But you have to be really, really confident in your ability to run situational football, to play that kind of a game. Without a doubt. Because every possession, every first down, every punt, every field goal, every kickoff is important. It's like you can't turn the ball over, you can't, there's so many things that can't go wrong. Without a doubt. I mean, I did the same thing like three years later

and just watched that game. Like when I retired, I saw that game for the first time TV copy. I don't think I've ever watched our Super Bowl front. Exactly, you don't watch them. But it was on and I was sitting there like, how the fuck did we win this game? Like everything had to happen.

It was 0.00001 chance of winning. But for you, this, you know, we're talking about Super Bowl, we win this game. Like everything had to happen. It was 0.00001 chance of winning. But for you, this, you know, we're talking about Super Bowl 18. Right now we're discussing Super Bowl 48 or 51. Your first Super Bowl was this. This is your son's first Super Bowl. Way better, way better.

Your son? It's so much, you know, listen, you have a daughter. And you know, when when our kids had, you know, now Kyle has kids and Chris has kids. I think there's more of an understanding. You think you know, but you don't know what you're willing to do for your kids. Yeah. You know, jump in front, I always used to say to them when they were younger

at the kitchen table, I said, look, look around the table. These are the people who are gonna jump in front of a bus for you. You know, nobody else is. You might think they are, but they're not. Yeah. And understandably, and it's important to know. And to watch your kids have any success,

whether it's high school, college, I'm watching my grandsons now play flag football and it's different, it's more enjoyable because- And son? Yeah, because I can just have fun. And I love those boys so much. And my perspective at 64 is so much different than it was when I was 25 through 35 raising kids and playing football.

And then after that at Fox and getting back to get to team stretch on Monday to coach high school football. But it's way better. The Super Bowl's way better. I think more about those Super Bowls than anything I ever did. That, now, did you say anything special to Chris

before the game or did you guys have a moment? Because my parents and my family, whenever before a game, they knew Friday after that, I was zero, dark 30. I was gone. You know, like, I had my routine. Friday was our day. My dad, you know, that was the thing. But for you and your family, you played in this game.

You know the magnitude of this game. You know the nerves, the anxiousness that all the guys feel before this game. Two weeks of media, all this bullshit, the hoopla. Was there anything that you just said to Chris, like before the game that you remember? You know the things I always, you know, kind of, and I don't know if this specific thing that, you know, I texted him or said, but I would always. You know, Kyle, it was because if you play defense,

you probably understand offense a little bit more. You know, it wasn't until year seven. I didn't realize one formation that bothered me was dot two tight ends. Balance formation, one back in the backfield quarterback under center. And I and when you're in a two gap scheme The first step is everything you have to mirror that tackles first step And I never had a bead on where they were going with the ball other than Well that tight ends bigger than that tight end if they're gonna run the ball chance Are I gonna run the ball over here or if if if if, if they're not, it's going to be a counter O T tight end and it's going to be the tight end and

the tackle pulling. What I would say was I'd look at the last three games and I'd kind of go through formations and things that I'd say to Kyle, you know, when he was in college playing at Oregon, cause he, you know, he played six games in college, gets drafted in the first round, and he's all pro his first three years. I mean, that doesn't happen. No, it doesn't.

Particularly when you take a year off and you're working in a surf shop. Yeah, he's a specimen. He's freak show. And people have that. God comes down and puts his hand on your shoulder and says, you're gifted. What are you going to do with it?

Yeah. Whereas Chris, grinder, grinder, grinder. My thing was, head on a swivel, don't stand around piles. And there were certain formations and things that I felt were pertinent and tells, you know? Yeah. I'd say to Kyle, look, if that defensive end and three man front reduces down to a three technique and they walk the safety up, the slots coming. And he'd say, under, what's that?

Kyle didn't even know what under was. Jesus Christ. Griff Hart was like, hey, you know what nickel defense was until like his eight years. You know what his thing was and it made sense because Kyle had played very little football in college and you know in Oregon they ran a play every 17 seconds. He said look Pop, they're running a play every 17 seconds. I'm just looking for somebody to hit.

And that's what he did. And it was in the direction of where the play was going. And it makes that kind of, you know, we're looking at micro, not macro. We're looking at, you know, the here and now. I'm pretty much sure I'm gonna block this guy and just go there. Because you run a play every 17 seconds.

Whereas Chris was, you know, he knew and he looked at things and he approached the game differently. Whereas Kyle's like, I just line up and, you know, I'm gonna try to whip the guy in front of me's like, I just line up and, you know, I'm gonna try to whip the guy in front of me. Yeah. I mean, offensive line, that's kind of like an offensive line mentality though. You know, it's foreign to me.

They're different. They're different. Yeah. Because you're a D guy. It's foreign to me. The Hogs, man, they, yeah. They have their own little language. They sit and they have their own area in the locker room. They're always, you know, the guys that just,

yeah, we'll fucking go do this right now. Let's lay you, me, him. Let's go get to the backer. But watching them play was far more, you know, for example, I'd be at the studio at Fox and, you know, Kyle and Chris, you know, there'd be games where they would play simultaneously. Michael Strand was kind enough to, you know, we're doing the pregame. We're in the pregame. Or we're in the postgame, really. We're at halftime. Let's say we're at halftime in another game, in another market. And, you know, Micah would put on Kyle's game, and'd have Chris's game or vice versa. Yeah, and The only time it was really challenging is when they were both taking a snap at the same time. Yeah, it's like Okay, which one needs me more I think in my head. Which one did you go? What's the matchup? No, it all depends

Situational with one's injured one's not you know, he could take care of it. You know, it's whatever he's going against Lane He needs me a little more here Yes, Kyle's going against uh, we don't know this guy. He's all right. And and that was the way it went. So It was Sundays are as you know, it's like it's kind of like digging it I'd be less tired on Sunday night digging a ditch. Yeah, then I am doing you know, 5 a.m To 5 p.m. on TV. It's mentally exhausting.

Go, go, go, go, go, because you're, you know, you're thinking you're, and the night before, you never sleep good. No. Because you're always going through in your head, it's kind of like playing, but there's, nobody's hitting you. Without a doubt.

But it's the same kind of feeling, and you know, that's the one thing you get, you know, when I say when you're done with football, the one benefit of feeling and you know that's the one thing you get you know when I say when when you're done with football the one the one benefit of being in a studio and doing this and I know you feel the same way I'm sure you know you and Woody and you know you just it's a camaraderie it's it's without the hitting. You know what I always say this it's been so great to get to work with you guys and Fox, because it gives you the taste of football. It gives you a team to work with.

My friend, you have no idea Fox is, and this is just me. I haven't been anywhere else, but I know a lot of people have been other places. Fox is here and everybody else is here. In terms of talent, how you're treated, the day-to-day kind of function, the respect. I mean- But even the people behind the camera, like everyone's, it seems,

it reminds me of a lot of how our organization was. Like we always had relationships with the equipment staff, the lunch ladies. everyone had their job and it's all for us to go out and perform our best on Sunday for one hour to get the best content. And that's what I like about it. It reminds me of football because you work with a group and you're all doing something to try to get an output.

Top to bottom, you know, and I think it starts at the top and it started with David Hill, and now it's Eric Shanks and Brad and that whole group. They set the tone, and I've been there 31 years. Yeah, at the beginning. Yeah, beginning when it was a blank sheet of paper and an idea, and here we are making it up on the go. Trying to figure each other out. And I think when you're working with people,

particularly in a studio setting on air, the biggest reference I can make is I'd say, never lift yourself up at the expense of someone else. Respect the person next to you and know where their comfort level is. I don't know where your line is, but I would know where your line is. I don't cross that line.

I know where you're, what's important to you, what would embarrass you, or what would make you uncomfortable. And Terry and I had to figure that out early on and we did. And we couldn't be any more or less alike. You know, I mean, you know, Boston Catholic, you know, Louisiana, you know, Baptist, you know, quarterback, defensive lineman, stealer, raider, you know, he's, we're just so different, but he's the brother I never had. And we're as close as could be.

The corny jokes and he's singing in Branson, Missouri, just booked a 20 show deal with the place. We talk about that. It's hilarious. You know, it's really fun because at work, when we go Sunday, you can see what everyone was in the locker room and you forget that we are not part of the same generation and you feel like it's the locker room.

Like I can see how Howie was in the locker room. I can see how Michael was in the locker room. You can see how Mike Vick was in the locker room. You can see how, you know how everyone's in the locker room through their personality and it's fun because it makes you feel like you're in the locker room. You see how, you know how everyone's in the locker room through their personality. And it's fun because it makes you feel like you're in the locker room. Yeah, and that's a thing that, you know,

and I say, look, it's like I say to Kyle all the time, you know, look, if you stay in shape and you present younger than you are, and you know your stuff and you work hard at this, you can do it for a long time. If you're comfortable, I don't even know we're on camera. I mean, I'm at the point in life where, I'm so comfortable, it doesn't really bother me. I wish I could be this comfortable 30 years ago.

And kids do that. And you don't realize the impact that having a kid has on you and the responsibility that goes with it, but also what you'd be willing to do to protect that kid. And having three sons and watching the grandkids now, I'm blessed. I really am. To be at a great place to work, I've been with two organizations for 44 years. Think about that Yeah, I've been at two organizations for 44 years Raiders and Fox. That's it and you know, I don't plan on being anywhere else and ride off into the sunset and head up to Montana now

We were all talking Before you came here And I had you by the way, I'll just let you know. In prime with the Fox crew, King of the Hill, who's winning? And everyone's in their prime. What does King of the Hill mean? Last man standing. Last man standing to death.

You gotta kill Michael. That was the one that was scary, because of his length. You gotta kill Michael. If I can get, you know, Michael Michaels, we always talk about this calling me a defensive ends like putting a ribbon on a pig. You know, I mean, the closer I got to the ball, the better I was. If if it's a fight, what's the smallest ring you can get in?

Whatever the smallest ring is, I want you in that. Yeah. Because if I can get you in a phone booth, I got a shot. And Michael, length, and he's kind of looks like Ali. He's got that kind of length. And me, I want inside. I want hands around neck and that kind of thing. Hands around.

You got to get hands around neck. So I would say weight you know, weight class, big truck beats little truck if you're in shape. You know, you gotta be in shape. Because a little guy can dance around for a while, you get kind of tired and bang, bang, bang, bang. I always watch. What's Terry doing this thing, while all this? Terry.

What's Terry doing? Terry has no interest, he taps off. You know, but it's funny because I watch boxing reels a lot. And, you know, Hernds Hagler. Geez, we used to watch that. The greatest round. If you haven't seen it, watch it.

And you know, any of those fights in those days. We had Hagler come to us and we watched that. Or was it Hearns? Who's the Brockton guy? That's Hagler. Hagler, we had Hagler come and he lives in Italy, right? He's passed away. But he lived in Italy, came back, he talked to us

and we watched that first round with him. Best jaw in boxing, I mean. Talk about fighting. Tommy Hearns and Hagler threw more impact punches in a short period of time than I've ever seen in a boxing ring. You see it in a 105, 110, but not in the middleweight. From the middleweight up in the middle weight class,

it was a great class. But I watched those and it's like anything else. It's like, like I said, how you play the lead joker row, the counter, the first 10, 12 times is inconsequential to me. It's 11th, 12th, or 14th. How you play it the 15th, 16th, 17th time, do you blink? Are you still bringing it?

How you play at the end of game when they're running out the clock and you're down 14, that's when I want to see you on film. Yeah, when she's hitting the fan, that's who you, the real person comes out. It's inconsequential, you're not gonna win. No. And you know, but what I'm doing is, someone's looking at this film.

You know, the next three opponents are looking at this film. Yeah. And you just want to, you know, I don't want to get hooked, I don't want to give wanna, you know, I don't wanna get hooked, I don't wanna give ground, you know, every blade of grass, every inch of end of a play push, it's inconsequential, but it's... It's something.

It's like, you know, I always watch this, Kingdom of Heaven is one of my favorite movies. I've never seen it. Oh my God. What's Kingdom of Heaven? It of my favorite movies. I've never seen it. Oh my God. What's Kingdom of Heaven? It's all about Jerusalem. Yeah. And Salaheddin is the Syrian leader of their,

he's the general. Yeah. Famous, famous leader. And this kind of English group or from Britain or you know whatever it was at that point has Jerusalem shifted hands multiple times you know it was Syrian and it was Britain, you know, the Kingdom of England, you know, whatever. And there's this one improbable leader of, and he holds the army off there, outnumbered a gazillion to one, and he, you know, there's one area in the wall that's the weak spot,

and he knows that, and he's tried to reinforce it although their numbers are down. But when you have to funnel, when you're down 3000 to 100, you funnel it into a small group and you're really you're fighting, then you're fighting an abbreviated portion and they made their stand there. And it got to the point where there's a standstill and the count of the dead outside and inside of Jerusalem was astronomical. And they kind of make a parlay.

They say, I'll write out, meet you, you write out, meet me. And they agree to terms of, if you give up Jerusalem, I will give you and all of your women and children safe passage to the water. And he said, well, how do I know you did? He said, I am Sahaluddin. That's how you know, because I'm not the previous people. When I give you my word, I give you my word. As he's walking away, the leader from England says, or Great Britain, whatever it is, says, what's Jerusalem worth? He turns and he says, nothing. And he starts to walk away, pauses, turns around and says, everything. That's that last blade of grass.

That's that last shove at the end of a play. Yeah. If you're giving up three inches, four inches, it's something. Is that not, that's the most Raider answer? That's just like Raider commitment to excellence. Well, it's Earl, you know what it is, and Michael would say the same thing, you know, because if you talk to Michael,

you'll hear the same things probably that you hear from me. We were brought up the same way. If I got hooked, if I gave ground, you know, if we lost and, you know, we didn't look good, I didn't look good. You know, I I couldn't live with it. I I didn't go to a 7-Eleven. The Jersey thing at the end of games, the handshaking, the communicating on Instagram.

I didn't talk to John Elway till I retired. Yeah. Because it wasn't my job to be friends with John Elway. That's how it was in the day. And Tom's very vocal with that nowadays on how he was with his career. That's kind of a newer thing that's been happening. Yeah, and it's fine.

You know, it's like anything else. Times change and- Times change. You know, I'm not judging them. It's just things were different. Yeah. How was working with John Madden? Being a Raider, he's a Raider.

He was great. John, he was brilliant. When you think about John, I think John when he finished with the Raiders, you know, he's got, he probably interviewed for, with networks with a stained shirt from a hot dog or something. Yeah. You know, and how you kind of-

Authentically him. how do you see that translating to broadcasting that's been done in a really tight window of performance? You know, there's a stereotypical broadcaster. And that's what I thought when I came from from my, you know, rehearsal or my audition. And I thought you had to be you know What I saw on TV because I never watched pregame shows. Yeah, and David Hill had a vision of something totally different and it started with John Madden and it went to Terry and Jimmy and me and You know and my first audition was

Just too Straightforward and not conversational. And I got pulled to the side and David Hill said, where's the guy seeing interviews? And I said, well, you didn't tell me you wanted that. And Terry pulled me aside and said, look, just lighten up. And that's what he wanted was our show, which had never been done before.

And the show was an hour long, which at that time had never been done. Yeah. And people were saying what are you gonna do in an hour? An hour flies by like that. It's only 45 really with the commercial. And you know you can do, we're doing five hours or six hours for the pregame in the Super Bowl. This will be my first one. It's a lot probably. It's an all day sucker. Oh yeah. It really is.

And by the time you get to the postgame, you're near mentally just shot. It's probably going to be the same feeling as after you play it, just because of all the hype that we, it's a big thing for our network, for Fox. When you host the Super Bowl. There's 100 at some point in the pregame and the halftime. A hundred, twenty, hundred, thirty million people are watching.

Depending on match. And you know, if you equate the light on top of the camera as one hundred and twenty million people, you might start to kind of think about it. But, you know, the key is just not doing that. Yeah. That's hard to do. What's your hat green light? Yeah. Nice. You know, the key is just not doing that. Yeah. That's hard to do. What's your hat, green light? Yeah. Nice. You know, the podcast.

Shout out Chris. I didn't say. Hey, gotta do it for how? I'm kinda nearsighted, even with the glasses. He caught that quick though. Mr. Long knows what's up. I didn't size you up, you weren't a threat. You could throw me at somebody, a projectile, something.

No. All right, I'm here for something. No. All right. I'm here for the team though. What was something that people don't know about Fox? How great you're treated as someone that works there. And you talked about it. You know, it's the interaction with, listen, we'd been there 31 years. I look out on the set and I see the same makeup person, I see the same wardrobe person,

I see four or five of the same cameramen, stage managers, you know, Bill Richards was, you know, listen, Eric Schenck started out as a BA, and I think Madden's group, and worked his way up. Bill Richards worked his way up. Jacob Ullman worked his way up. Jacob Ullman used to go get me dip, you know, when he was like coming out of USC. Now I do. I said to him, he's a little guy. He was a little guy and you can imagine, he looked so young out of school.

And I said, were you a crack dealer? He just looked at me like, what? What year is that? Probably first year, first, second year. So I think the thing about Fox that's special is, it's the people in front of the camera treat the people behind the camera with respect. And I think that's all you can ask for,

and the retention of people behind the camera, both from a camera standpoint, floor managers, audio people, you know, you just, you develop a special relationship and they're part of the team. And we greatly appreciate that. We truly do. And I think that's, I think if you don't have that,

you don't have any. No, I mean, you're only as strong as... I hit, I always told my kids kids said you hit people for a living You're not going across the country saving small children Get over yourself You know, I mean really at the end of the day, I mean how you treat to me And it's really important point is What tells me a lot about who you are

is how you treat the bellman, how you treat the waiter, how you treat the gal that's invisible who's changing the trash bags in the studio. How you doing? Yeah, without a doubt. Just a hello. You never know what somebody's going through. Now, you had kind of...

You were raised by your uncle? I was raised by a lot of people. And your great-grandpa and grandma? Yeah. It's classic Irish Catholic kind of... And raised by... First mom and dad, and then mom and dad split up. And my dad was an interesting guy. He's 6'7", 255.

And a mountain of a man worked at Hoods Milk and worked in the projects, worked at D Street projects and in South Boston and worked in a number of spots. And that was kind of the family business. You either worked at Hoods Milk, which was across underneath the L train, bottom of the street across Rutherford Avenue was Hoods Milk. And my grandmother worked there for 25, 30 years. Uncle George worked there.

My dad worked there. And then he worked in projects. And my uncle Mike got everybody a job at the projects. And my uncle Billy. What's the job at the project? It's you're a maintenance person in the projects. You're just going around fixing doors and fixing light bulbs and any issues they have. You're a laborer. It's hard work and you're in a tough spot., dad ends up who was an orphan from birth to 18 years old, never played sports. So, you know, you're always kind of wondering in your head,

you know, what would he have been? Yeah. You know, big, athletic, you know, raw bone, you know, big guy, strong, country strong, you know. And ends up falling on hard times. He's homeless on Main Street, living in a car. You know, this Charlestown is a mile square. Yeah. So, you know, that impacts you as a kid.

You know, you don't really think about it at the time. You're in survival mode. You know, my grandmother, I'm there with my uncle Mike and my aunt Edie in a row home in Charlestown. And the busing riots start, the segregation starts, and you miss school for 60, 70 days. It doesn't look like it's getting any better. My uncle Billy was the first to make it out of the neighborhood and move out to Milford,

up by Foxboro. And my grandmother and uncle Billy was the youngest of her four sons, asked him to take me in and he's got four kids of his own and he's working on the projects, driving a maverick with a hole the size of a basketball on the passenger floor, you know, down the mass pike in 495 and you know, a lot of salt. Snow and salt, you can imagine, you know exactly what I'm talking about. And he's barely making ends meet,

he's painting houses on the weekend and he takes me in. And you know, dinner was over at 630 and the kitchen closed at that point because we were, it was tight. Yeah. Things were tight. And I remember leaving there at 6'5", 220, to go to Villanova in summer school.

And I got a meal card and I'm 17 years old. And I opened camp at 265. You know, I was like, I was a big person waiting to happen. But, you know, for him to take me in like that, you know, with the struggles that, you struggles that come with having four kids and driving into Boston every morning, driving back, painting houses on the weekend, doing all that is, my grandmother kind of set the foundational part of who you are as a person. Be kind. We took in, my wife and I talk about it,

we took in more players. You know, it was just kind of like a rotating door of Chester McLaughlin, you know, Sean Jones, Bill Piquel, you know. You know, I went back to the reunion for the first time last year. I'd never been to a reunion. And I'm just that big on crowds and you know

It's also we work on Sunday usually the Sunday. Yes. Yes. Yeah, and this was a this was a preseason game and Decide you know Marcus kept texting me and calling me and I love Marcus and he's the best best teammate you know the most complete football player I played with and And I said, you know what for you, I'll come down So I come down there and you see all these guys and it's you know My wife and I were saying how amazing was how many guys stayed at our house? That we took in yeah, and you know, you have to kind of pay it back to a certain extent I think and you know, I I'm not I'm not saying it's you don't do it for any other reason

than you want to. But I think in some way, it's a karma thing or something comes back to you. You know, I only ask because you since I the day I met you, you you you shout family. You're like your family man. You love your kids, but you didn't grow up in a crazy, particularly family type atmosphere to have that, and it just amazes me because it's similar to how my dad grew up.

He didn't have a dad, grew up in the trailer parks, and my dad is like a super family dad because maybe it's the experience. He wanted to be better. And he wanted what he didn't have. Yeah, and it's funny because my grandmother had this little hole in the wall shack up in Babusik Lake, New Hampshire.

And the lake was maybe a mile and a half wide, two miles long or a mile and a half long. Pond. It was a pond. And, you know, in some ways my home in Montana on Flathead Lake, which is bigger than Lake Tahoe, is me replicating the happiest moments. Those are the happiest moments I had. Yeah.

When I think of Babuza Lake in the summertime and you know the whole thing. Trying to replicate that from my kids was important and they grew up there and you know love it and Chris has a place up there now. Now how do you how did you balance? Because I mean you did movies, I watched you on Broken Arrow, you did movies for a while, you've done TV for 35 years. Yeah. You're also you know you. You've done TV for 35 years. You're also, you know, you have two kids that were playing in the league at the time.

How do you balance all that being the family guy that you are, because you still, you put your family first, but you still do a lot of stuff. It's remarkable. The name of our corporation is Long Odyssey. And I was always, I was always fascinated as a kid who was one of the few books that I I read as a young kid the Odyssey yeah Homer's Journey home

and for me it's it's always everything is about getting home and you know I'm working but I'm the next thing on my mind as soon as the day's over is, how do I get home quickly? The movie thing was fun to do. I was originally on Broken Arrow with John Travolta and it was fun, it was a great experience. I was supposed to be there two, three weeks and John Woo kept coming in my trailer and said, we make you bigger, you John Wayne, you know?

And I'm like, okay. So I call home and there's three kids and they're building ramps, jumping their bikes into the pool. And you know, they kind of get the idea that at a certain point, meet you in the mount on the phone. They look for Vancouver's on the map and they say,

well, he probably can't get home for, you know, you know, a day at least. I mean, so the threats kind of start to, probably can't get home for a day at least. So the threats kind of start to, and Diane said to me, then I did Firestorm, which Fox had a preemption, right? Because I signed the deal with Fox when I did Broken Arrow and it was great, John Travolta was great,

and it was fun to do and it was a successful movie. And it's playing somewhere every night on satellite. I get residual checks, sneaker money I call it. It's not a lot but you just sneaker money. Sketch your money baby. So when I get an offer from another studio gives me an offer to do a post-apocalyptic movie, $30 million budget, whatever it is, and Fox preempts me to do Firestorm, a $16 million budget, and it's gonna shoot

during football season. So now I'm literally running to the airport Sunday night, getting on a plane to go to Vancouver, driving up by Whistler. Ooh. And I'm working 6.30 in the morning till sunset and going back on Friday to get to production meetings on Saturday.

That point we had production meetings on Saturday, Scott Atkerson, you son of a bitch. I'll never forgive you for that. But at one point after that, you know, and I did 3000 miles to Graceland with Kevin Costner, and you know, it was fun. And that was more of a cameo, and you know, they were able to do my part in two, three weeks. But Diane said to me, she said, why are you doing this? Is it money?

No. Is it ego? I said, you know, not really. Ego I don't really associate with me. It was kind of like the natural progression of things and things just kind of presented themselves. And you want to check a box and say, you know, I did that. And I did that and it was fun.

But here I am raising three kids and I'll never regret coaching little league baseball for eight years. I'll never regret coaching high school football for eight years. I'll never regret that. And those were some of the best experiences that I've had and they had.

And it was my, I think my responsibility to kind of, this is how you play football. This is how you protect yourself. This is how you treat your opponent. This is the way you play the game. Now, how is manly, all purpose, Mr. Man, Howie Long, how did you... Did you...

With actors and stuff, were they all kind of intimidated by you? You know, I really don't know. I think I was... John was great. John Travolta was great. How was Slater? I had never, I didn't have any interaction with him. John was, I was with John all the time because, whether I'm in the trailer and then we go do,

whatever shot John was in, I was generally in. I remember we were driving a Hummer and I'm driving the Hummer and you know, we're supposed to slam on the brakes and I, and you know, I'm, listen, I'm a, I'm easy to deal with. And you know, I'm certainly beyond football at that point. And I'm a team guy. I'm, I'm used to that. You know, I mean, it's, I have a role and, and John's the guy and John's like the quarterback He's like Tom Tom Brady

Yeah And when you're driving Tom Brady in the Hummer and you tell them you're gonna they want me to slam on the brakes hard To Tom and I don't know that Tom really or John really got it Yeah, and I think he came close to hitting the dashboard with his head when we slammed you know, we'll get out of the car and we're going into the thing where the the nuke is you know and the whole thing and and he flew us he had his own plane and he was the pilot and his payback was going from you know from the runway to 10000 feet as quickly as you possibly could

out in the middle of nowhere in Montana. We're shooting in this dead center, Lewistown, Montana, the Yogo Inn. They've got a little thing in the center of the lobby that says, you are dead center in the state of Montana. And they had a great milkshake. And that's all I remember about the Yogo Inn and the center of Montana and Lewistown. But John's payback was, you're holding the seat of your pants. That was his payback for the slamming on the brakes

and him kind of catching his head on the dash. Are you not a little spooked? I would be scared with John Travolta flying a plane. I don't know if I want, you know what I mean? Like, I get scared with him. I think at that point, I'm still kind of young. I'm still probably in my 30s, late 30s. And I think there's a feeling of invincibility,

you know, to a certain extent. I remember when I started playing in the league, I used to drink a shot of tequila to get on the plane because we didn't fly a lot at Villanova. You know, we bussed to most of our games. You know, we bussed to UMass. I mean, so getting on a plane and a plane that big, saying how does that thing fly?

You know, so flights weren't a big part of my life until I got to the Raiders. We'll be right back after this quick break. What's up everybody? I'm Dan Burke here to tell you about a new podcast, some I Heart podcasts in the National Hockey League. It's NHL Unscripted with Burke and Demers. Hey, I'm Jason Demers, former 700 game NHL defenseman turned NHL network analyst.

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are unvarnished and at times unhinged look at the underbelly of tech from an industry veteran with nothing to lose. This season I'm going to be joined by everyone from Nobel-winning economists to the leading journalists in the field, and I'll be digging into why the products you love keep getting worse and naming and shaming those responsible. Don't get me wrong, though. I love technology. I just hate the people in charge and want them to get back to building things that actually

do things to help real people. I swear to God things can change if we're loud enough, so join me every week to understand what's happening in the tech industry and what could be done to make things better. Listen to Better Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, wherever else you get your podcasts. Check out betteroffline.com. Let's go back to around January 22nd, 1984, when we liked to go over what was going around, pop culture around the world.

Yeah, yeah. Number one movie, Terms of Endearment. Don't don't remember that. Do you guys did you guys see that? Vaguely. Vagu world. Yeah, yeah. Number one movie, terms of endearment. Don't remember that. Did you guys see that? Vaguely. Vaguely? Yeah. The number one song, owner of a lonely heart by Yes.

I think I remember that a little bit. It's not on my playlist. Yeah, was that Wham or something? Don't know. Boy George. Apple's iconic 1984 commercial airs during the Super Bowl. Do you remember those those Apple commercials? Yes, I do. It was very shattering. Yeah. Yeah.

He was playing during the Super Bowl. I can't remember the commercial. Ridley Scott directed Scarface, Sudden Impact, The Right Stuff. One of the most quoted movies. Scarface. Say hello to my little friend. People like you need people like me to say, that's a bad guy. That's a bad guy. Now, what was life like for Howie Long in 1984?

You're in your third year in the league, second year in the league. You're newly married. What's, you're living in an apartment right by LAX. Got married in 82 and a fight broke out at our wedding. And it was, and you know, the thought was that it was going to be my family because we're from Boston and you know. She's from Jersey, right?

She's from Jersey. Oh my gosh. Your dad's name Francesco Adonisio and your brother's name is Virgilio Adonisio. And the thought process was that, you know, my kind of, you know, guys working at the project, I saw Uncle Billy, Uncle John, who's a cop in the North End,

and Uncle George and the whole thing are gonna be the ones that are gonna be maybe a problem. And as it turns out, apparently there was a non-blood family member got a better seat than somebody in the family. And there was an argument about that up by the head table. My cousin, Michael, who I shared a room with when I was living with uncle Mike and aunt Edie,

we lived together. He was my best man. And fight breaks out and they knock over the head table. And this is like my ace in the hole forever for my wife. Cause I can pop that out and say, your family, after her mom passed, Frank came down to live with us and we got him a house on the property and we've got 65 acres in Virginia by UVA and he lived with us and he, you know, we got him a house on the property and you know, we've got 65 acres in Virginia by UVA and he lived with us.

And I said, why are you up there? I mean, is it a card game? We can get your card game down here. Yeah. There's a game or practice every night of some kind, little league, high school football, whatever. So you'll always have something to do. And he ended up being with us for 10 years

and it was great. And the grandsons called him Frankie. And ironically enough, Kyle ended up naming his daughter after Francesco. He named his daughter Francesca. And they call her Frankie. That's cute. I love that name for girls.

Yeah, and she's, as you can imagine, Kyle's daughter is adorable. Adorable and a little bit of a freak show. I mean. You know, you could see it early. You know, when I said to Diane, I said, you know, he's different. And he was like two, three years old.

She said, you're crazy. I said, no, I'm not. He's different. See how he knows, he knows when he sees a specimen, he can see it at a very low. He can jump over a fence and you go. It's like the tiger at the zoo. You see the tiger at the zoo and it's laying there

and you go, wow, that's a beautiful animal, you know, color and big and looks strong. And all of a sudden that tiger gets up and jumps over a 10 foot fence. You go, Oh, now I get it. Yeah. That's, that's why he's a predator. Yeah. One of those lead ones.

Now, have you ever used that card? What card with the wife? Oh, God, yeah. I told that story. Are you kidding me? We've been married 40,lly 82 to 22 42 years You get what you get one one card use a year. Oh god at least at the very least That's in the sports world 1983 84 Super Bowl champions were the LA Raiders

Dan Marino was NFL MVP. How good was Dan Marino? How good would he be in this day? best thrower of the football I ever saw. And the quickest, when I tell you the quickest, and you've probably watched some of his stuff, the quickest release you could ever have. In today's game, it'd be astronomical. Yeah. But he was a guy that didn't want pre-snap motion.

He didn't want to change the snap kind of lot He had the best center I've ever seen Dwight Stevenson. Yeah and You know that offense was Hummin what kind of do was he when you sacked him? he was he rarely got to sack him because you could literally run by your guy and Balls out balls out. Balls gone.

So he was really, to me, he was the best throw of the football I ever saw. Seen a lot of footballs being thrown. That's handsome. Celtics beat the Lakers in seven games. Of course they did. Yeah baby. That was, you ever meet Larry?

No, my uncle John was, who is his agent? I forget who his agent was. My Uncle John was kind of an off-duty cop, bodyguard kind of guy for him. So he met, you know, he interfaced with Larry. And Larry, I've got a, I've got a jersey from Larry that hangs up. And right next to my Bobby Orr goal versus St. Louis

in the Stanley Cup to win the game. He's airborne, he's horizontal to the ground. They have that statue. I've got my autographed Bobby Orr, who I wanted to be growing up. Wow. Did you play hockey? I did. We played a lot of, we did everything in the street.

I never played organized sports until I went up to live with my Uncle Billy. And high school coach sees me walking through the hallway and says, hey, who are you? And I'm, I think, 13. I'm 14 years old. How tall are you at 13? 6'3".

13 years old, six, three. And I didn't even know how to put the equipment on. I was terrible. And ended up getting two scholarships, one to Boston College and one to Villanova. And my grandmother wanted me to get out of the neighborhood. And it turned out to be prophetic on her part. And met my wife there, and she was a classics major

And I wasn't Fucking old build over yeah Man, you had to get out of Charlestown. You had to get out of the town John Elway's rookie season I remember that now he almost became a Raider right? Roselle blocked it right? That's the I don't know if he blocked it. I think what ended up killing the deal was they wanted me included in it. It was I think a three team deal and, you know, Chicago, the Colts and the Raiders and, you know, and I when I heard about this,

it's funny because I was I was in Canton. I just landed. I was in Canton and I and they did this kind of it's a great doc. You kind of ESPN, you know, 30 for 30 or whatever. And Marvin Demmoff, he ended up representing, you know, Chris and Kyle. For a period of time, you know, legendary agent was was part of it because he was always guy and he was Marino's guy. And I called Ron Wolf, one of the great football minds, and I said, Ron, you son of a bitch, you were going to trade me to Chicago?

And he said, howie, that was never happening. That was kind of like they sent a proposal with, I think, a corner, first round pick, this, this, and this. And their comeback was Howie Long and a draft pick. And I think that's where... Now, I would have traded myself for John O'Way from the Raiders, but you know, Al was, you know, a different guy. You know, I think he was so smart about personnel and had a vision of, regardless of where you go, Art Shell, Gene Upshaw, Mark Van Egan. Where'd Mark play? Like Colgate or something?

Colgate. There's another player who came out of Colgate. Where'd he play Mark Van Egan. Where'd Mark play? Like Colgate or something? Colgate. There's another player who came out of Colgate. Where'd he play Mark Van Egan? He was Colgate. So, you know, here I am at Villanova and nobody even knows me. And I get in a... I'm in a kind of a little bit of a thing, let's call it, in the middle of the season where someone got beat up and robbed. And they come to my room, of course, and ask, can you go back?

One kid transferred from Florida State and he got robbed of his bowl watch from Florida State. And we go down there to get all this stuff back. And not thinking about how it's going to end. What's the end game here? Not probably good. And I'm not really thinking about it. You're 20.

And two, three cops pull up and I get detained. And ironically enough, they kind of used that as a straw that broke the camel's back to drop the program at Villanova after I left. So they dropped the program for a period of time. And yeah, but I think being in that situation, maybe helped me. Became a Raider.

Become a Raider. 100%. This guy fights. Get him in. Get him in. Hey, listen, you're in that locker room at Villanova and you're in the dorm of Villanova. There's a priest on every floor. And you go to the Oka Raider locker room, the guys are smoking Salem whites and they're grown men.

And here I am. I'm in pit drill day one. Pit drills like, you know, one-on-ones between two bags of running back, the offensive lineman and you. And the first guy up is Art Shell. I'm 21 and he's got a full beard. He's 300 and I don't know, they didn't weigh Art. And, you know, I didn't know whether to grab my cheekbone, which I thought was fractured or my ribs,

because I couldn't breathe, because he'd punch you in the ribs as he came off the ball. But it was kind of... Gene and Art were, you know, in many ways, were very influential to me, you know, when I first got there, because when you're going against Gene and Art all the time, that you know. It's gonna make you better.

It raises the level of, you know, we're not playing Delaware. No. It's not Delaware, not the Blue Hens. I became such a better receiver when we got Talib Aqib. Yeah, Aqib Talib. Aqib Talib.

Aqib Talib. Talib is my boy too. Because I used to have to run routes with him. They wanted to see if he was in shape. So we had to do one-on-ones after practice. So Bill would make me run one-on-ones against him. And then we got Revis. And we used to go like competitive periods,

one-on-ones all the time. And my game got so much better because I was playing against those guys. Well, we played, we were a physical team. Inside run was inside run. Pass rush was pass rush. Goal line was goal line. Team period was team period. And it's hard to kind of duplicate that because, you know,

and I've gone to New England as a broadcaster, and Burge would come in and say to me, I'd be out in the outside rooms, outside of everything. And he'd say, Bill, if you want to come over to practice, Bill, why don't you come to practice? You go to the practice and I'm standing on the sideline and there's nobody in the building. It's just me and Bill with that whistle,

doing that thing. And I'm kind of like, this reminded me of the Raiders because nobody, there was no friend of a friend, no sponsor, nobody. It was all about football and that's it. And I was only in one place. And you go to other places over the 31 years as a broadcaster, and you kind of get a glimpse into how somebody else does it.

But generationally it's different, but also from an ownership standpoint, it was just different. We were an island unto ourselves. It was a wall around the practice facility and nobody got in. Bill used to, whenever we played the Raiders, he'd always give like a history lesson on the team and the foundation and you know, how the owner got the team

and Al Davis being a coach, sued the league. He would give us a whole presentation on it. He loved Al Davis and a lot of people, the whole do your job thing was Al Davis that said it to Parcells. Like after something, Parcells was complaining or something about what was going on. And I guess Al Davis just said, just do your job.

And that's where, and then he used to say it to the team and then Bill took it up and so the do Your job came from Al David just win just win. Do your job. You can put those on t-shirts No Just win, baby. Just win, baby. Yeah. Oh fuck howie Howard. He called me Howard Fuck you think it tough. I'm like this guy's my hands He was really I call him mr. Davis. I mean part of it's my upbringing, you know, I mean I never had that I only got called up there maybe once or twice

I you know one was a contract and we did that over the phone, but the other was a fight I got in and it got bad and you know He just told me not to beat anybody else up. Now, did he ran shit? He ran everything. Cause I remember when I was a quarter, or when I was coming out, Charlie Fry was training me and he was with the Raiders at the time.

Remember Charlie Fry, the quarterback? I know the name. He was there for a cup of coffee, but he was close with Al at the time. It was before I'll died and he the one thing everyone, you know Knows about the Raiders. They want speed and size No question and Charlie asked him like you you should pick this guy up in the seventh round to Al and he goes He's not fast enough baby here. So he said something like that He's not fast enough for me the gate at size speed thing with, you know, you could say Bill Parcells

with quarterbacks, you know, it's got to play three years, got to be 6'4", 220. You know, it has to fit the prototype. And, you know, that was in many ways what Sean was about. Yeah. Sean was about that before he went to Denver coming from new Orleans. Yeah. And that's why I honestly think the Russell thing never really worked because it wasn't the makeup small. Yeah. But drew was one. It was a system to was, you know, supply and demand. And don, two, it was supply and demand. And don't forget, he was going to go to Miami and the shoulder thing. And where Sean changed things was, at that point, guards and centers weren't as important.

And what ended up being the case with three, five step drops, get the ball out, gun, spread, all that. The fastest route to the quarterback is up the middle. Whether it's mug linebackers in the center guard gap or you're bringing pressure in the interior, it's slant and looper with the backer Sean made those positions a point of emphasis even over tackle Because of Drew Brees pressure in the middle. Yeah, yeah But I think you know from from a personality standpoint from a size standpoint You know and Sean didn't sign you know to sign him up in Denver

Sean didn't sign him up in Denver. Russ wasn't ever going to fit with Sean. And I thought it was unfortunate, because I'm a big Sean fan. Yeah. I didn't like the whole thing on the sideline. It was uncomfortable for me. Yeah, a little uncomfortable. You know, do that.

Let's do that in the building. You know, it wasn't like, I don't know what the situation was, and I haven't talked to Sean about it and at some point I will but Big Sean fan he's watching games with him Gave me another perspective Because my whole perspective has been I've got the guy who you know You want to talk about a guy who can build it, coach it, you know, knows how to, you know, hire coaches, players, contracts, trades, everything.

Jimmy Johnson for he's aside from the three, four years he was in Miami, you know, we were together. Wow. Jackie, let's jump into the game real quick. Let's go over these these Washington guys. 83 defending Super Bowl champions on a run leading coming into this Super Bowl. They won 30 or 34 games. MVP Joe Theismann led the league in scoring incredible defense led the league

in takeaways. Joe Gibbs coach of the year. I mean, they were just firing on all cylinders. They were hitting everything they had the coach. They of the year. I mean, they were just firing on all cylinders. They were hitting everything. They had the coach, they had the team. How do you sum up this 1983 Redskins team? Well, there wasn't really a weak spot you could look at. And everything revolved around physicality.

The perception was, I think at that time, the NFC's a little more physical than the AFC, that kind of thing, but we were, you know, and that's Greg Townsend up there in the picture, Greg was a great player and he was a flip end. You know, he was a guy who'd flip to the weak side. And they were a physical team that forced you to match their physicality and few teams could

do that. And you know, you think about their wide receiving core, you know, Garrett Monk, our monk Hall of Famers Hall of Famers, good as a kid, either your Warren and Walker, you know, those, the tight ends were, you know, they were guys who are committed. They go two, three tight ends. They load up and the first thing you're thinking about, particularly in a three man front is, we've got to stop the run, we've got to stop the counter.

I've got to beat the pullers on the backside. So I cheat maybe three inches outside on the guard to make that block for Bostic all the harder. And Stark is going to try to get a hand inside while the center's blocking back in the guard tackle pull. And you know, I was, they couldn't, they had, I didn't say they couldn't, they struggled to run that away from me. So they had to run it to me.

And fourth down, I'll never forget, you know, there was a fourth, a big fourth and one in the game. And, you know, they flipped me over to Joe Jacoby because look, you're gonna Joe Jacoby six, whatever, six, eight, 320. He's just a big man. He's in the 80s too. These are big men. He's a big man. And we talk about the game getting so much bigger. I mean, that's huge. He's just a big man. It's in the 80s too, these are big men. He's a big man. And we talk about the game getting so much bigger. I mean, that's a big man.

Well, Joe was an exceptionally big guy and we knew where the ball was going. They knew where the ball was going. And I'm inside eye on Joe and everyone around me was like, you know, this is it. This is kind of a huge moment. And, you know, we stuff it on fourth down or on third and third and short or fourth.

I'm not sure exactly what it was, but it ended up being one of the bigger plays in the game. Derek Jensen blocks a punt. That's a big thing. Early and ironic way to start the game. And ironically enough, backed up second, I think it was second long. it was the play that ended up beating us earlier in the year.

The screen. It was Joe Washington on a screen. So what did you do? They went to the other side, though. What did Charlie Sumner, who's an old bear, earlegged old bear, you know, there were a lot of bears on our staff, guys that played with Doug Atkins, really, really tough guys. And Charlie was a great coordinator.

And we were simple. We ran maybe two blitzes a game because our corners didn't have to even get in the huddle because they were in cover one or, you know, and our guy from New England, Mike Haynes, Haynes and Lester Hayes. And they were two very different, Lester was a converted linebacker playing corner from Texas A&M I think. And Mike Haynes was poetry and just mirrored what,

it was kind of like Rivas. It was kind of like that kind of a thing. It was like, well. Was he a smart, did he study a bunch? Because usually what I always saw with the best corners that I played with, they could cheat because they knew situationally what concepts you would run. That is, they would run the route for you

because they were so dialed into formation. You know, like that's what I saw with like the best, but there's some guys I don't know that just, you just say cover him. Lester in my mind who should be in the Hall of Fame was a weekend in Vegas. Yeah. You know, it was, he was up and on you and it was all,

you know, hit me on a 16, you know what I mean? Mike was, it was like he was just looking in a mirror and just covered the shit out of me and could do it all day long. And that was a big key for us in both in the game earlier in the year and and and this game and and in this game in particular was I hit Riggins one time on a slant and I don't know if it was this game or the early game in the year and and golly the entire the sky just went whoosh he was just a load big load big physical. He was Derrick Henry for that time and was a load. He broke that big run versus Miami in the, I think it was in the Superbowl,

a 40 plus yard, fourth down or third down and short, where there was a fourth down run and and broke a huge run so for a guy that big to be able to turn the Jets on going down the field he was a load. Jack let's get into the Raiders team. Before we move on to the Raiders I'd love to hear why the Hogs were so tough to play against. Their physicality their commitment to they ran four plays and they ran them and and and as I mentioned before they challenged you to not just play it ten times you had to play it twenty times twenty five times and you know invariably everyone wants

to rush the quarterback and can you be committed enough to say we're gonna do this yeah let's do it defense against it I don't care if we die here but we're gonna do this. Yeah. Team defense against a team like this. I don't care if we die here, but we're gonna do it. Cause they had so many counters. Every play had a play to counter it. So if they played it a certain way, all right, they probably had someone watching. All right, let's run this play. It's the old wishbone, these old offenses

where they just hit you like this way, this way, this way. Then they come with here, then they got the boot here, and then they got the, you know, it's old school football. I'm looking at this roster and I go, Jim Plunkett, guy who goes to New England, number one pick, Heisman Trophy winner. Stanford.

Gets mauled. I think they might've been the Boston Patriots at that point. Yeah. Gets mauled and just gets churned out there. An organization that mismanaged and didn't put the people around him and got beat up. And one of the great deep ball throwers of the time. And it goes to San Francisco, same thing.

Bad experience, gets mauled, doesn't fit. Al Davis, as I mentioned again, it's guys that Lyle Alzado, who had been in Denver and Cleveland, got to the Super Bowl in Denver and got blown out, is a guy that is 33, 34 years old, who would give his right arm to win a Super Bowl You know, I'm sure you had guys that come to come to New England like that. Chris was one of those guys I mean they come to New England to win and he came there to win, you know Cliff branch

Was if not the fastest guy on the planet One of the top three for fastest guys planet. It was so fun watching him and Daryl Green play in this fucking matchup. Cause Daryl Green was like the fastest guy in the NFL as well. Yeah. Like that was a fun matchup. And Cliff was 30, I think I don't know what he was

at the Super Bowl, he might've been 33. Man, 33 playing a young. I think it's- He was 35. At 60, he could run a 4-4. Geez. I mean, seriously. I lived with a guy named Cedric Hardman,

who was a great pass rusher from San Francisco. Yeah. On the, they called it, I forget what they called that, Jimmy Page, you know, Cleveland Elam. You know, these guys were really good. And Cedric and I lived together my rookie year and some people kind of questioned the wisdom of that. But you know, Cedric really was

a had a great impact on my early part of my career and Cliff would sleep on our sofa. You know, it was a different time. I mean, it not really. I mean, we I shared a house with five guys my my first three years of my career Because you didn't know if you're gonna make the team every year. Yeah, and I'm making my check was $1,007 now we were making decent money League minimum was like 360 but I had a used coupe de Ville powder gray Spoke wheels velour interior, and a truly an eight cassette deck that where the cassettes were, you know, that

big. A track. Was that a track? A track. Yeah. And, you know, Cedric had a red El Dorado and convertible with white interior. And we were rolling in Oakland. As football in the 80s.

I love that. Best two gabloch, best two-gab nose guard you could ever play with. Greg Townsend, I think Greg is to me a hall of famer. Lyle Alzado, I mean, listen, he can change the attitude of a room really quickly. How? He was such a violent, you know, the needle went into the red. And he was unpredictable from that standpoint.

You know, you base the rest of your day on, hey, good morning, Lyle. You know, and the rest of the day was kind of based on that. One of the best nicknames I feel like in NFL history. Three Mile Lyle is pretty good. Three Mile Lyle because he was like Three Mile Island was a nuclear plant that blew up and you know, you just never knew when he was gonna blow. So who was he the team asshole?

No, Lyle was kind of quiet. I'm trying to think I'm looking down the Kenny King was you King was a great back from Oklahoma, situational guy, Frank Hawkins, really good fullback, Cleo Montgomery, tough, tough, tough. He dropped a guy on a plane one time, on a, a guy was sitting in his seat, he didn't get up. And he was one of the quietest guys you could ever be around. And this guy just sat, sitting in his seat. He didn't get up. Oh teammates. And he was one of the quietest guys

you could ever be around. And this guy just sat, got in his seat when he went to the bathroom and you seat your seat on the plane. Yeah. It's once again, it's that last blade of grass. It's the push at the end of the play. And he asked him really quietly, very nice a couple of times

and then just, boom! And that boy's eye closed shut on that flight. No. But we had a lot of flights like that. That's a real deal. You can't sit in someone's plane seat. Henry Lawrence, Killer Lawrence, Shelby Jordan, another cast off, Charlie Hannah, John Hannah's brother, another kind of cast off, Charlie Hannah, you know, John Hannah's brother,

another kind of cast off, Bruce Davis, huge man. You know, probably, I'm not sure if he, Mickey Marvin, one of my favorite guys of all time out of, I think he went to Tennessee. He was as, he was as he was as country and southern as you could get. Don Mosbar, great center out of USC six, seven center, which is really Steve Sylvester, got to be the tallest center of all time. All trades, you know, kind of a guy smart, smart, smart Notre Dame guy. Jeff Barnes, great special teams, situational linebacker. Ted Hendricks, the smartest player I ever played with. Could walk in the room still snuckered from the night before

and you put the other team's plays up and he'd call the plays. He'd say to me in a game, I line up next to Ted and he'd say, here they come, Howie 32, Bill Joker O. up next to Ted and he'd say, here they come, Howie 32, Bill Joker. Oh, just by formation situation. He's just smart. Savant and I'd say to myself, I go in these meetings on Monday as a young player and I'd say, what does he know that?

Why does he know and I don't know it? And I kind of modeled my preparation after him. I wanted to know everything I could possibly know. Todd Christensen, you know, not a guy I'd go to dinner with, God rest his soul, but you know, really great player. Great player, he was a great tight end. Not a big blocker, but you know,

kind of a hybrid guy who ran great routes and had great hands could Get separation at the end of the play which was really big. It's old touchdown But as I said Marcus Allen, what about Ray Guy? Ray Guy was great he'd have a dip in his mouth a cigarette in his hand and a beer in the other hand and You know, he was our he could play backup quarterback. He'd do scout team quarterback occasionally. He was a really great athlete.

The only game I found that he didn't want to play it was when the bears, we, the 85 bears, we, we played them up there and it was kind of a, it was a carnage game. You know, it was just a physical game and we were physical. We probably were the best matchup for them physically, but you know, when you think about talent in their front, coupled with a scheme that no one knew how to block. Yeah.

The 46 and Buddy Ryan and you know, the great players, they had Hampton and Dent and you know, the whole group. It was, and they went through our two starting quarterbacks and someone said Ray was supposed to go in, but Marcus ended up what was going to be our. Marcus now? And I think our guy, our backup quarterback Dave Humm, who's since passed away, I think he somehow, or Mark Wilson,

came back in. He got knocked out. Jim got knocked out. It was one of those deals where, you know, they were just knocking quarterbacks out and you know, we ended up having to kind of get through that game physically. Was Al Davis always was he always around? Was he in the building every day on the field every day? He had a cologne that you could smell him before you could see him. We were on the far end of the field and I knew when he was out there because you could.

What kind of cologne? It was his own personal cologne. It was the Al Davis cologne. I don't know what it was but I've never smelled it. Strong? Yeah well. Did it smell masculine? He walked out of the building. I mean it smelled like his Pavlov's dog. I mean, not just for me, but for the coaches and everyone involved, you know, they knew and they were all puckered up when, you know, Al came out. And he knew football. He was coach.

He coached the Raiders to the single greatest turnaround early on in the organization. The organization was formed the same year I was born, 1960. And he ended up being the coach early on there and turned the team around and ended up becoming the owner. And one of the great historic owners of. Without a doubt. Yeah.

I've heard stories like Al Davis calling in the sidelines and saying, hey, let's throw a deep ball. I don't know about that, but if I came out of the game, I never came out of the game. Yeah, we didn't. We didn't rotate in those days, and I in particular didn't rotate. If I came out for one play, there was a red phone by the Gatorade thing, and that was Al's phone.

Yeah, that phone rang. What the fuck is he doing out of the game? You know, well, we're shooting him up. We needed to play. What's the wildest like Al Davis funny? Like, he seems like he just has all these sayings. What was like one of his one like a time where you're like, man, he's that's Al Davis right there

You know, he wasn't he didn't say a lot and you know, there were I think we were in we were in constant You know, there was a constant war between the league and yeah and the Raiders and Al and you know We we were a team that moved to Los Angeles Or practiced in Oakland. So every game was a road game. Think about that. It's crazy. Every game was a road game.

I'm living in the Oakland airport Hilton with Lyle Alzato in a single room with two queen beds. I'm living with him. And Marcus was across the hall with, trying to think of the linebackers name. Golly, I forget it now, but I'd get a roll away some nights because Lyle would shut the TV and lights off at 9 45 10 o'clock after he had chocolate cake and a glass of milk. And it wasn't like, Hey, are you watching that? You know, it was like, I'm 22 years old.

He's a grown man. And I'd go over and sleep in a cot in Marcus's room. And so every week was a road game. And my wife, who was kind of making the transition to California, she was gonna go to law school. And she kind of had to delay her entry into USC law. She was going to go to Northern California, but then, you know, we're going to move down to LA. So there's no sense in doing that. So she had to take a year off. So that was a challenge. And

Marcus and I caught a lot of air Cal flights. It was, it's a, it's a now defunct airline. flights. It was, it's a, it's a now defunct airline. You know, we'd catch the last flight out and, you know, on, on Monday morning and, and try to get up there for the meeting and all that. And somehow we did. Did you guys same day travel or a day before? We traveled to games on Saturday, Saturday, but if, you know, we'd play on Saturday, but we'd stay down there. Yeah. And I'd stay down there with, you know, Diane, because she started school. Yeah. And I'd stay down there with you, Diane, because she started school. Yeah. Uh, and, uh,

we end up going back, uh, Monday morning. Yeah. Yeah. Jackie, let's jump into the game and the lead up quick little lead up here to this game. This was a rematch. We talked about it a little bit earlier, correction. The score 37 35 back at RFK stadium. Uh. The skins got him in that one. How we had six five sacks, seven total tackles. Both feels good when you have a good game statistically and you lose. It's like we're not worth it.

Didn't happen. I hated that. These are the top teams in each NFC and AFC. And Washington beat the Rams 51 to 7, rolled them, beat the Niners 24-21. LA beat Terry in the Steelers 38-10, the divisional round, and then got some revenge on Seattle in the NFC championship. Seattle had beaten us twice playing a kind of,

and I think we were just, we were a funny team. We were kind of, we could get bored. And- Like the Ravens. Yeah, you know the Ravens actually like the Ravens get bored with it's unexplainable and Chuck Knox had this whole You know, we're gonna run it and it's not a it's not an at you. You don't feel like you know, what it is like Hagler Versus I'm trying to figure sugary Leonard, yeah where Wait a second, I've been through 12 rounds and I don't feel like I've been hit. Yeah.

You know, they had a running style. It was like a zone kind of style that negated our physicality because, you know, you just had to kind of get in the way and float sideways versus be vertical. And there were 100 plus thousand people at the Coliseum, that game. Wow. The Seattle game.

And they'd beaten us twice during the season, and we mauled them. We just mauled them. And I knew then, you know, and the week of the game, we go down there, Matt Millen gets a fight in practice. I just, there was an edge to the group by the time we got there. And, you know, because we had played the team earlier in the year, like Seattle,

we had played Washington earlier in the year. And, you know, it was, that was that. Did you guys go down? When did you guys go down to the Super Bowl? How big was the Super Bowl in 1983 at this point? Was it still fucking like massive? To put it in perspective, Lyle and I, Lyle and I, every game we ever played together right after team meal, which is 8am.

You go to team meal, you know, before the meal, you go to chapel and you know, you do all that and they go through special teams and you know, R1, R2, you know, the personnel kind of thing. And then Lyle and I would get in a cab and we'd go to the stadium. Every game. No bus? We never won the bus. I like to get there early.

I like to get there early. I get my shorts on. I get my thing on. And I'd go out and I'd run some 40s just to kind of get loose and stretch and come back in. And I'd go over my formation sheets. Lyle would get fully dressed except for the pads, lie down on the floor and go to sleep.

And it said a lot about how different we were. And he'd say to me, hey, what's that one formation that we can't figure out? I said dot. He didn't know formations. He didn't know, he just played. And that was the difference between the two of us. But we took a cab every game

and the Super Bowl was no different. So we go through pregame meal and you think about nowadays, you know, and particularly after 9-11. That's when it all really, really changed. Helicopters and shit. Concrete pillars, a block around the stadium. You can't get anywhere near the stadium. So we get in a cab.

We're driving to the stadium. And I think the guy spoke broken English who was in the cab driving us. And we get stuck in traffic, just short of a mile from the stadium. And we're not getting there. And Lyle's trying to get the guy to go up on the curb, and that needle's in red.

So we finally, we get out of the cab and we're walking through the tailgaters, three quarters of a mile to the stadium through the parking lot with Lyle Alzado in a froth. So, you know, that tells you how different it is now versus then. Did everyone know you guys? Yeah, I mean, Lyle, you guys are huge.

Lyle at one point, Spard, Muhammad Ali. I mean, you know, I mean, if you're a Washington fan, you know why I'm and you know he is. And, you know, if you're a Raider fan, you know why I'm here. So it's one of the two in the stadium parking lot. And to see his face as the clock was ticking down, here's this card-carrying bad man, you know, you got to kill him kind of guy.

And tears are just running down his face. I mean, the journey he had going from Denver to Cleveland over 13 years, I think it was 12 years, 13 years before he got to us. And for him to finally, you know, make it. And I remember Marcus, ironically enough, on the counter, ironically enough, the big run was off a blown counter play. It was a counter 67 and it got stuffed at the point of attack. Marcus reset, comes back and he's blowing everyone away

and you see this bullet come from behind them. If you look at the film, it's Cliff branch running, running close to him. He, you know, the, the, the gap between it was like, it was like the kid from the, the, uh, Seahawks last week who picked the ball off one 92 yards. The big boy. Yeah. You could see the wide receivers, all kind of they're gearing it down, but it's like a, it's like a, a, a, a group of, of escorts. Yeah. And that's what cliff was on Marcus has run. Now he ends up winning the MVP Lyle boxed. He, he did a, what was supposed to be a charity. It was kind of a not a real exhibition, but to Lyle. It was a little more than that.

Did he train? Oh, I'm sure he did. How did it look? This was before me. So I didn't really I've seen footage of it, but knowing Lyle, you know, he wanted to land something. Yeah. He was at Milehouse Stadium.

He was at Milehouse Stadium. Lyle the Mile. Yeah. Now, you said when you guys were coming over, there was a fight, you knew the team was ready. Yeah. You guys start off with the block punt touchdown. Yeah.

Is that when you kind of- Kurt Jensen. Was that right there when you kind of knew it was gonna be one of those days? No, I didn't. I kind of took it as fine, but I compartmentalized things. And my job was my job, and I'm doing my job.

And, you know, they weren't going to, you know, five sacks wasn't going to happen. You know, they're there. They made their adjustments and ran the plays they wanted to run. And, you know, you're you take care of that. Got some pressures, but you don't you're not gonna put up big numbers versus this team when they don't want you to and they say you snuck up on us earlier in the year you know now we're gonna take care of it no surprise now yeah so it's Marcus the 191 yards 2 TDs

Cliff branch like I said Jim Plunkett one of the great deep ball throwers, just a beautiful tight spiral, great, great deep ball thrower and Cliff was the recipient of that on that day too. So you're a compartmentalizer, you guys go into halftime 21 to 3, there was the big play, so you already had a block punt for a touchdown. Then they tried to do that screen thing. Jack Squire. Jack Squire. We substitute Matt Millen for Jack Squire.

And Jack Squire's got one job. Ghost, whatever you want to call it, Joe Washington. And you guys pick it off. And it's a jet-ripped blue slash. Yeah. One of two maybe splitsitzes we ran. I slant, Ted goes inside. We bring the soft strong safety off the corner.

Joe Theismann's pressured. He's drifting back and has to throw the ball on a kind of a more of a lob. And Jack Skryrik does his job, and he's got a touchdown. And it's kind of a career-defining play. He ended up getting cracked by a wide receiver from Miami and at that point whatever was in their offense. That this big wide receiver came in and when I say cracked you know backers yeah he cracked him, he just blew his jaw up

and wired his jaw shut and he was never the same. Oh. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. So how was halftime? Were you guys up or? It's a blur.

Halftimes are like, even at a Super Bowl. Were they still long then too? They were long but not as long. Yeah. No, it's a major production now. To me, halftime was nothing more than, OK, let's get this over with. Let's get back out.

I'm in the middle of a thing here. Why do I need to come in here? I'd rather just go play. Without a doubt. We used to use halftime for the adjustments. That was a big thing. We were simple. We were the simplest defense you could run.

Yeah. I mean, we were who we were and we were big and physical and we had two corners that were- Gonna lock you down. Gonna lock you down. And that's a big story in the game, is their ability to lock down their receivers. That was everything.

Yeah, cause then safeties could get downhill on Riggins, linebacker, didn't have to just one-on-one lockup Monk and Charlie Brown. It's a numbers game. You know, when you're running cover one, you can do some things with the safety. You can... If you can run cover one,

if you got guys that can cover, it makes the game. I mean, that's, that makes the game. Lester would say, I told him, I said, you know, Lester had a, he stuttered a bit and you know, so when you're, when you got a wide receiver coming in a crack or a receiver coming from the outside, the crack, you want, you want them to yell crack.

Yeah. And C was a hard letter I think to start with and he said and I you know he apologized eight three seven five sorry so it was it in this game no no but it was just funny stutter Lester was the best he should be Hall of Famer I you, he's it's there's some kind of contention there with The senior committee now, I think but hopefully at some point he gets in Yeah, he should definitely I wanted you know

Listen cliff branch should have been in the hall of fame. Yeah and It broke my heart that you know, we worked hard to try to you know sway voters to you know Looking at him, but you know, I think the Raiders aren't necessarily a popular team with voters And you know, maybe there's they in their opinion. There's too many guys from the Raiders in the Hall of Fame for whatever reason, you know and Clifford passed away, you know, just before they ended up putting him in.

And I was so disappointed that he didn't have the opportunity. That's sad. Yeah. But, you know, I don't know the politics, all that stuff. Yeah, listen, it's subjective like anything else. Yeah. When did you know this was in the bag? This game?

Because I mean, you guys were blowing them out. I mean. I'm not sure I allowed myself to. I was the same way. I was the same exact way. I don't know that I allowed myself necessarily to do that. When we're kind of running the clock out, you know. Yeah.

I mean, you know, you see Lyle on sidelines crying, you know, it's kind of, yeah, it's there. Tom Flores was the perfect coach for a team like this. He was a man of few words, and when he did speak, it was something of significance, and you got to manage a group like this. It was something of significance. And you got to manage a group like this. A locker room like this, which is challenging locker room. Yeah, but you guys had cornerstone players like yourself

and like, yeah, you guys had the Raiders shit going, but there was still a group of guys that, I mean, you guys won a few Super Falls. Well, Marcus comes out of college and, you know, he's just a dominant player. He could run, he could throw the ball, he played quarterback in high school, and a lot of people don't realize that.

He made some good throws. The one thing he was really good at and It's something that people don't factor in two things one is as a chip blocker. I Saw him butcher Some defensive end. Yeah, and if he had to pick up a blitzer He'd give you that kind of he'd give you that kind head fake, like he was gonna go low on you and you go like this. And you get right under the chin. Right under the chin.

And he was, he was just a smart, smart player and wasn't a guy that ran a four three or broke so many big runs because of his, you rarely got, there are guys that some backs just, you just don't get clean hits on. You didn't get a lot of clean hits on Marcus. And he was so physically tough. He's a tough, tough player.

You never say I'm gonna cop from behind either though. Like when you watch his old highlights, he's kind of like Jerry Rice in that sense where he didn't run a four three. That's a good analogy. He ran a fourth, you know? Whatever he ran. Those guys on the field did just have field speed.

Or it's a guy in the neighborhood who's running from somebody, you know, in my neighborhood. Yeah. You know, some guys were fast and some guys weren't. Yeah. You gotta be a fast guy. Yeah. Raiders win 38 to 9.

What did that moment feel like as soon as the clock hit zero winning your first Super Bowl? Like I said, I thought this was easy. Yeah. Young players, early in your career. We'll go do this again three, four times. Yeah. And you come to realize later on that,

unlike basketball or baseball or hockey where it's best of three, best of five, it's one game, it's single elimination, which I think is why the game and the playoffs are so fascinating. And it's a salary cap league and players, the same players who are there aren't necessarily gonna be there.

And you pull one guy out and another guy out and suddenly the structure kind of teeters a little bit. And I think the ability to understand the significance of the moment, this team probably should have maybe won in 82, should have won maybe in 85 and we probably weren't, maybe it's a muffed kickoff or a muffed punt or something. Something that ends up knocking you out when in reality, the next matchup, we were probably better suited for that matchup than the team that was going forward.

And that's on you, that's on your group. And it's unlike baseball, basketball, it's a couple of players that, there's a lot going on. There's no same team ever. No. Players and coaches leave every single year. And nobody cares about yesterday. No one cares about yesterday.

No, no. And that's why I was always, it was kind of like, what was that movie with Ben Affleck were and Morgan Freeman about the nuclear bomb and Russia. You know, the fascination that Morgan Freeman had as a government agent. The sum of all fears. He had that there was that kind of fascination with their nuclear building. I was always fascinated by the Patriots. The nuclear building was kind of like the nuclear building. I was always fascinated by the Patriots. The nuclear building? It was kind of like the nuclear building. You didn't get in there. You know, there are very few people that were in there that survived. You were killed off, somehow poisoned, car runs you over, whatever,

heart attack to a perfectly healthy person. So for me to, I was always fascinated as a broadcaster by the Patriots and your group and Bill and the way you went about your business and, you know, was wanted to get in the building and it was like Morgan Freeman getting in the nuclear facility with Ben Affleck and seeing it finally and then walking out of it and thinking, am I going to get shot here? Did Ben Affleck ever ask you to be in the town? No, no. Charlestown.

I know. You know what? They nailed it. It's based on a book. I think. Is that a Kenneth Lonergan book? Let me double check. Prince of Thieves or something or maybe I'm wrong on that. My grandma's from Charlestown and that movie starts with like,

Charlestown has the highest rate of per capita bank robbers in a neighborhood. Bank robbers in the country, more unsolved murders. He's like, that's not true, that's not true. You know, and really what you're doing is you're in that movie and they captured maybe the small element. You know, we did have a lot of bank robbers, there were a lot of stolen cars, there were a lot of unsolved murders, but there are a lot of good people there, you know, very Irish Catholic neighborhood. What was

the book? Prince of Thieves? You were correct 2004. I was wrong. It's a Chuck Hogan book. It took place in an earlier time. But it was set in present day. So in present day, that's not what Charlestown was really like at that time. It was like that when I was growing up. You know, I wasn't a particularly tough kid. You know, so I didn't, I didn't figure it out. It's kind of like Kyle. I didn't figure it out until I was like 15 or 16.

Wait a second. I don't have to take this shit. You know, and going, coming from there, you know, is a, I think is a good foundation. Without a doubt. There's some tough, strong people there. And, you know, you, you look back on it and you go, you know, could what I've made things different. I don't know that I would, you know, and, and did, did anyone think when I left there that I was going to, I'd never played organized sports, we played in the street.

You know, we played football on Rutherford Avenue in the, whatever that building was next to Hoods Milk, and the field was 10 feet wide, and you were right on the freeway there. And when you ran that out route, you were really dedicated. You are. Because if you get pushed out of, you were really dedicated. You are. Because if you get pushed out of bounds, you could get hit, could get hit, could get hit. Yeah. So, you know, everything was done on blacktop and played baseball, no coaches, no parents, nothing. So you really,

the kind of foundational kind of structure of sports to me was learned there. Now, later on I ended up playing football in high school and college and box a little bit and did that and just grew. And when I got drafted, my wife and I can't remember where we were because I, people work out when you're in college and you're a prospect, particularly if you're a first round, second round prospect, you'll have a pro day. We didn't have a pro day. I worked out 34 times in the snow, in the rain. I ran a 40 on the front lawn of my dorm for a guy that was just checking a box. Because, you know, most teams were not going to draft me. Al Davis did. You know, saw something in me that,

you know, that I didn't see in myself, really, to tell you the truth. No, I didn't. You know, it was like, Bill and Nova was perfect for me. But that's what made you you, that insecurity. Yeah, you know, and that's why you prepare. I see it in your everyday life. I never take anything for granted. And people make fun of me at work because I write. I'm always writing.

I'm always writing. I try to do things. I try to... There's nothing I leave for chance. I control as much as you can control. The rest of it will take care of itself. Yeah. You know, give yourself the best possible chance to be successful in anything you do, you know. And you did. I mean, you've not only had an unbelievable football career, you've been in my house since I was, before I can remember on my TV, watching football.

31 years is a long time. Yeah, it's outrageous. I mean, that's the crazy thing is people probably recognize you now more, way more for what you've done off the field, which is, that is the coolest thing ever. You go into 7-Eleven and the guy looks at you like, you look a lot like Howie Long. I say, yeah, I am.

Get out. What are you doing in here? I said, getting some gum. What, you think I got somebody that goes in and gets a gum? Gum guy, gum guy. I love 7-Elevens. You know, it's, most people are really nice. No.

99% of people are very nice. Jackie, what's the aftermath of this game? Marcus Allen goes on to win Super Bowl MVP in this one. 20 carries, 191 yards, two TDs. The Raiders become the first team to score in all three phases. Pretty crazy. Block punt, pick six, touchdowns on offense, and in the Super Bowl. Pretty crazy.

They become the second team in NFL history with three Super Bowls right there with the Pittsburgh Steelers. They would go 11 and five the next season, finishing third in the AFC West. Redskins would go 11 and five the next season. Wimmy and FC East and fall to Chicago in the divisional round. But Joe Gibbs would go in to win two more Super Bowls after this. And this would be the last Super Bowl in Raiders history. Terry and I just did his last year of the year before we did his huge charity event up there.

And he walks it, he talks it, he's the real deal. You never heard anyone say anything bad about Joe Gibbs? No, never. Joe's a good man. What I found out in the last time I was there was Doug Williams was, they had a kind of a verbal agreement. It wasn't finalized, but Doug Williams was traded to Al Davis and the Raiders while I was there and we end up we end up getting Jay Schrader so Williams who's the prototypical Raider quarterback, throws the nine route, the deep seam route,

big, strong, athletic, cannon for an arm. Terry would have been great in our system too. And then I see there we make the transition to Fox and Kenny Stabler's, golly. Oh, Kenny Stabler. He's one of those kind of, he's become like a folklore. The stories about him are crazy. Yeah, stories about a lot of people are crazy.

And a lot of them were probably true. We'd be crazy not to ask Howie Long, what does it mean to be a Raider? It's hard to kind of sum it up, but. It's the same thing that you probably get from people always asking me the Patriot way. Yeah. Everyone asks you, what does it mean to be a Raider?

It's toughness, it's, you know, it's, when I first got there, it was really interesting because, you know, that guy on the left, Al Davis, he's an iconic, you know, in the history of the NFL between being the commissioner of the AFL and, you know, then going over to the Raiders and coaching the Raiders and then, you and then building three championship teams and drafting guys. Like I said, I think Art Schell's out of Eastern Maryland shores.

Willie Brown brings in Willie Brown and Maryland, what is it? Maryland State. University of Maryland Eastern Shore. Which is now University of Maryland Eastern Shore, correct. Right. Where did he, how did he? You know, there was a scouting element

and nobody in the building had a title. So Ron Wolf was the GM, but you get there and you look around and you say, what does greatness look like? It's everywhere. It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, You get there and you look around and you say, what does greatness look like? It's everywhere. It's Al Davis, it's Ron Wolf, it's Tom Flores, it's Archelle, it's Gene Upshaw, Freddie Blitnikoff is on the staff, Willie Brown's on the staff, Cliff Branch, Ted Hendricks,

Lyle Alzado, you know, everywhere you look, you know, there's, and guys that Jim Otto, you know, it's, it's, it's the ghosts of Christmas past, you know, it's, you walk through the Hall of Fame and you know, it's littered with the guys I'm talking to. And they were more than happy with, as long as you were, you fit all the criteria. You were tough, you worked hard. They would bring you along. And I, in turn, later on, brought guys along. And that was part of our organizational, what made the organization special was, and I couldn't imagine playing anywhere else.

I couldn't imagine putting on any other uniform. But I was always intrigued by, you know, I'd watch Minnesota, you know, with Doleman and you know, no, the groups, when I was playing, yeah, they ran, you know, four man front that was the Bears. I watched the Bears play in their 46 defense. I'm saying, what would it be like to play in that defense? You know, I'm playing in a two gap sit, squat and catch and hope you get the third down.

Yeah. Uh, but there's no place I'd rather be. I feel the same way as a Patriot though. Sure. That's the cool thing about where we're at. A lot of the guys played all on one team. There's not many of those at Fox. Well, I've been with two teams for 44 years.

Fox and the Raiders. And I'm not, and that's me. I'm not a, you know, I don't change outfits well. I mean, I'm, I, and it's funny because yesterday I was in El Segundo and our practice facility used to be in a middle school in El Segundo. And I remember driving to work the same route every day because if I didn't drive the same route every day, something might happen. And I don't know whether I'm it. I'm not superstitious per se, but I was about football. I was about football. Not superstitious. You drove the same route every day, Howie. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. Back then. That's superstitious. Totally. And you don't realize it at the time, but I got dressed a certain way. I got, you know, my routine, my dinner on Saturday, my everything had to be the

exact same, you know. And I stood in the same place for the national anthem. I you know, there were things that I did. I always did my 40s, you know, before anybody got there. And you know, if we cut your if we cut your legs off from like your femur, I think that would be me because I'm like the same way with all that stuff. Yeah, I was the same way with routine, routine, routine. And I would always say I wasn't superstitious, but I was superstitious as fuck.

I laid out my uniform the same way. I would eat the same thing every night because I did it good once with that. So I thought I would always be like that. Driving through El Segundo yesterday, you know, doing a sketcher spot, it reminded me of that whole thing. And I'm not really an LA guy.

So it wasn't for us and I wanted to raise the boys somewhere else. Virginia was a good choice and doing that. And the funny thing is you winning here is different than winning in in New England. Oh, yeah. Because winning here, we were a team that came from Oakland. We went to LA, we won in our second year here. They never had a championship. Yeah, I've read a Super Bowl champion here Still have an amazing fan base down here, you know, a lot of people travel to Vegas

Yeah from LA from Oakland. We're kind of the Southwest Raiders without a doubt and But you win here if you're the Dodgers or you're the Lakers, it's special. But you kind of feel like it's the championship that doesn't have a home. We're like a ship. What's what's that in the Tom Cruise law firm movie? The firm, the firm, he's talking to the two mobster guys that the firm represents. He says, I'm a lot like a ship that's carrying a cargo that will never reach port. And that team, there's a void to me. You go back to Boston and it's special.

Yeah. LA really. Transplant. it's tough. You're competing with so many different things here. It's the Ellis Island of, there are people from Chicago, there are people from Detroit, there are people from... There's more bars here that people go to from another city to watch a football game on Sunday.

Shout out Sonny McLean's. Sonny McLean's, Boston bar baby, Santa Monica. That doesn't happen in Cleveland. No. That doesn't happen in Pittsburgh. No. That doesn't happen in Chicago. That doesn't happen in New England.

Are you kidding me? That is crazy to think. Yeah, but the Raiders I feel are different. They're not an LA team. Like you said, they're a South. It's a pirate ship. That's the best way for them to do it, to go leave Oakland, win it in here, and then go back.

Like, that's the only Raider way of doing it. And we gotta win in Vegas. The stadium is amazing. The Taj Mahal. It's beautiful. It's probably, as emblematic of any franchise, from a stadium standpoint, visually. Great stadium, visually great.

It's like the Death Star landed in Vegas. No, it really is. And the practice facility, amazing. Our practice facility, there was always like a hammer and a two by four in every meeting room. And there were like those shutters that, in cheap buildings where you can, between the linebacker meeting

and the defensive line meeting. If there was an argument in our room or there was a fight breaking out, Matt Miller would be peeking around the... Divide the room. Divide the room. So, you know, Mark has done a, they've gone from 32nd, 31st in revenue to top five. And, you know, it's great. We just got to get some stability and- And quarterback. That's what you need. Listen. That's what everyone needs.

It's the hardest position to forecast going from middle school to high school, high school to college, college to pros. And if you don't go to the right place, and I thought Williams was going to a great place in Chicago. We all did. But the thing I didn't factor in was the coordinator.

And the old line was last year was a young, ascending, offensive line. If you're not putting together the proper game plan to give the young quarterback answers to every situation and meshing the run game with the pass game and bootlegs and taking advantage of what he does well. C. Jaden Daniels, whose coordinator was in the building in Chicago and they never even offered him. Now, I love the GM there and I love what they've built there from a personnel standpoint, Now, I love the GM there and I love what they built there from a personnel standpoint,

but he made a mistake with the offensive coordinator. Yeah, I got a couple of takes on that. I think- There's about 14- Million. Cause I like the kid. I think the kid's good. I think he's doing good and he's progressed

and he's improved and he's shown promise. That drive from the one yard line to- Had a couple of them. In Detroit, no, the one in Detroit at the end of the game, the one yard line to a couple of them in Detroit. No, but the one in Detroit, the end of the game, the one yard line and you're in field, you're in position at the very least we're going over time. How does that not happen? Well, well, you see the, the autopsy on that is, you know, there were, it was multiple causes. It was. Multiple. Yeah. Man, we gotta score the game now, real quick. We've taken so much time from Howie, we appreciate you.

We gotta name the game out of any of these names, the Silver and Black beatdown, the Slaughter of the Hogs, the Black Hole 1, this one's for Al, the Marcus Allen game. It's easy. Which one is it? It's one of the final two. Just win, baby, or just one? Just Al, the Marcus Allen game. It's easy. Which one is it? It's one of the final two. Just one baby or just one?

Just one baby. Just one baby. That might be a new t-shirt. You and I should do that. Don't put that out there publicly. You and I'll do it. Just one baby. Trademark, cut the check, let's go.

Just one baby. I love it. Just one baby. Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes, zero to 10. Decimal's okay.

The stakes of this Super Bowl game. The first, is this the first? No, is this the first of the Raiders? Third. Third. Third, we'd won in 81. Through the first wild card team, is the wild card inception to win that game. And that team, you want to talk about

you know bag of bonds and cast off they it was amazing it was amazing that they were in it and they won they beat the eagles and stake zero to ten now you got to start this game i would say at that time because it was such a lopsided they were favored I think by nine. Yeah Raiders were big underdogs. Yeah huge underdogs it was an afterthought that we were we were just you know we were kind of the you know the guy that gets killed in scene one yeah you know and and turns out we you know end up being the leading man yeah you. And it's a huge win. One, it's number three for the team.

And three Super Bowls look a lot better than one Super Bowl, or even two. Star Power, Marcus Allen. You got to score it, though, the stakes of the game. You got to score. The stakes of the game, I'd say probably at that point, probably a nine. Nine. I believe nine too.

Yeah, I think because of the... Nine-five by Jack. Because of Washington's... Washington was a runaway truck. They set every record to this point in the NFL for offense. Yeah. I mean, this was a big win. Jack nine-five, I had a nine-one. Yeah, I mean, I'd have gone nine-five, but I mean, I don't want win. Jack, nine five, I had a nine one.

Yeah, I mean, I'd have gone nine five, but I mean, I don't wanna be too much of a. Hey, I'm glazing, I'm glazing. Star power, zero to 10 decimals, okay. A lot of stars on this, a lot of Hall of Famers. Yeah, Ted Hendricks, yeah, Al Davis, you know. Gibbs. Tom Flores, Gibbs.

Theismann. Theismann, you know. Yeah, Riggins, the Hogs, you know, our defense, Ted Hendricks, Lyle Alzado, you know, great, great players. Barry Manilow, Barry Manilow sang the national anthem. Barry Manilow sang it. We take that into account as well. Yeah, I'm going to go eight, nine then. I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mr. Long, I'm going to go 8-9 then.

I'm sorry, I'm sorry, Mr. Wong. I'm going to go 8-9. I'm not a Barry guy. I mean, either. I'm going to go 9. A lot of Hall of Famers here, man. This is a lot of legacy people. I went 8-9. I went 8-8.

The same ballpark here. The gameplay of the game. A little bit of a blowout, a Little bit of a blowout. Little bit of a blowup. But three scores on all phases. One of the best defensive performances in Super Bowl history. Best defensive. One of them, they say. I think we held one. What was it? Eight?

Nine points. 38 to nine. Marcus Allen. Almost 200 yards, two touchdowns. I'd say at that point it was probably a nine. I'll go eight, seven. Ooh. Six, seven. What am I thinking I'll go eight, seven. Ooh, six, seven. What am I thinking? I went five, one. It's a blowout.

You gotta have game plays back and forth. But you know, you have to think about one is, you know, what a complete whooping it was, how much we were underdogs by and that we had lost to them earlier in the season and they were a dominant team, a dominant team. It's like. How we will will you to change your fucking score.

No, it's like, to be fair, it's a lot like New York, New England. You know, I mean, I thought they gave you their best game, you know, at the end of the season there. Wasn't there for the big boy one. I was there for the 11 one. They got us twice. There's a lot of parallels between the Broncos and Seahawks Super Bowl with the like high flying

Peyton Manning Broncos team. There was that fumble snap right from the beginning and they just set the stage and it was a blowout. Yeah, and they were a heavy defensive team. Yeah. Now we got to score the name of the game, Howie. Just one baby. I think that's a 10

That's a that's a good that's a 10. Yeah. I mean I haven't heard just one baby That's that's good I scored this before we came up with it's awesome name. Like can I change my score? Yeah change it Oh, i'm going 10. I had no I never even thought of that. Just one baby. I moved I moved mine up. I did 8.1 What does it go? What is our total or average? 8.61, where does it score on all of our games? Eighth overall, just behind the 2004 ALCS game for Yankees versus Red Sox,

and just ahead of the 2014 NFC Championship, Packers versus Seahawks. Top 10, let's go. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, is it, it also factors in series? Boy, the Red Sox, that was great. That was awesome. That was just that game that went over that.

But we talked a lot about the series. We talked, it was that big poppy. What about, what about the Miracle on Ice? It's fourth overall. We did fourth. We had Jim Craig in here. A little bias, but look at the top four. Jackal Callahan, Charles Downboy, played in that game.

Oh yeah, I wore his jersey. He was the guy that was fighting everybody. Did you know him? Yes, he's a little older than me. Jack probably didn't know I was around, but I was a younger guy. You know what, people don't realize, I don't think a lot of people know you're a Boston guy.

Yeah, people think I'm from Pasadena. Yeah. You know what? You think a guy that looks like this is like Pasadena. Yeah. You know what? You think a guy that looks like this is from Pasadena? Yeah. When we had Jim Craig on to do that game, I put Jules in a Jack O'Callaghan jersey. Just to shout out Charlestown. Jack O'Callaghan, you know, listen, star of the movie, I think, you know, he was, you

know, just he really emblematic of Charlestown. He was kind of a Charlestown guy. Charlestown Boston players versus Minnesota players. It was, it was, it was real. It was a big thing. Could you eat, so you, you got up on the ice and stuff? Oh yeah. Yeah. It's great.

I shot a Pizza Hut commercial on skates. Did you? Yeah. I can't even, I don't even know where we're gonna find it. It's I'll have to look that up. I had a hockey tournament in the Charlestown rink. After they closed. How did that ever, I can't even I don't even know if we're gonna find it. It's look that up. Yeah, hockey tournament in the Charlestown rink after they closed that ever. I can't. Charlestown is beautiful now. Yeah, it's changed. It's gentrified. If I work another four years, I can maybe afford to move maybe maybe my grandma sold a triple

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He is a, you know, Chris, I talked about you when we came in here and said, you know, this is your deal. You're kind of running, you're the CEO here. Trying. Well, it's tough to do. It is, but I have, these guys are- No, and it's great, but Chris has to do that, you know,

and there's a lot Weighing on his shoulders and you know, he's doing inside the nfl with bill, which is a totally weird Kind of thing but bill's great. I think it's I think it's fun. I like the I like the The history thing I like when he puts them all in like breaks down film. Yeah Yeah, that's what we did for 15 years. I like when he gets in there, does his little history lesson and then tests the fellows right there. And young Howie, anybody needs a suite at the Raiders,

just call Howie Long and Tickets. He works out there selling suites and he's the heart. He's the only one in the family with a real job. God bless you, Howie. And fun fact for a little games with names history, we had Chris and Kyle Long come on the show. They did the double doink game. And their moment where they tell the story

that that was tipped is our best viewed video of all time for our whole show. 19 million views on YouTube, them telling the real story behind the double doing. 19 million. Shout out to Chris and Kyle. You know, people don't realize how hard it is as a dad and a mom to watch those games, particularly when they played against each other because it's not like the Mannings where

they're both playing quarterbacks. No, they're going against each other. They're going against each other. Matter of fact, when Kyle came up with the Bears to practice up there, and it was interesting, two things stuck out to me in that thing was Chris was the looper on a TE stunt. And Kyle has to pass off the tackle. And he comes back, and he's probably a half a step behind,

but punches Chris in the ribs and fractures his ribs, breaks his ribs. And the joint practice. And the joint practice. And the joint practice. Yeah. And I see Bill after the game, and I'm very respectful of Bill. You know, I don't I think I call him Bill. I don't call him coach.

I might call him coach. It's kind of a hard kind of transition for me. I get it. You know, and I said, he said, hey, you know, we talked about Chris for a second. He said, hey, your boy, your other boys. I said, yeah, he doesn't, he's figuring things out. He said, and he kind of did, you know,

Bill pondered something for about four, three, four seconds. And he said, he might be, he's the best guard in football. And, you know, coming from Bill, who doesn't throw roses, you know, he's not giving the flowers out, you know, a lot. It was, that's a big deal. That's a huge deal. I mean, that's how good Kyle was. Kyle was mauling people.

Kyle was a- Kyle was healthy. One thing after another was like the neck fusion, shoulder, elbow, his ankle, you know, tendon popped out. He, you know, so there were things that piled up on him. But if he could have stayed healthy, we're having a different conversation. Yeah. He did, I mean, he did damn well. He did great, you know, but, you know, I'm saying— I get it. He was on I mean, he did damn well. He did great, you know, but you know, I'm saying.

I get it. He was on the trajectory to be. Without a doubt. Yeah. He was like Logan Mancans, you know, that kind of guy. Yeah, stout. Just small people. Logan, that dude, he was the coolest teammate.

I saw him in Boise at a bowl game when he played left tackle in college. And I've seen, who in God's name is that guy from Boise playing left tackle? I'm watching the game and you know how your eyes, your eyes go to players. You know, you walk on a field and I know who the two, three guys are.

You know, I mean, you just, whether it's Pop Warner or high school or college or pro, you just, your eyes are drawn and my eyes weren't right to Logan Mankins. He was the nastiest man. I'm just talking pure like punchy in the face kind of guy. Cowboy, he's like a cowboy. He's a cowboy, he's a cattle rancher.

Yeah, he's a cowboy. But like off the field, quiet, wears car hard jacket. I met him once, I met him once. He, you know, he's a cattle rancher. Yeah, he's a cowboy. But like off the field, quiet, wears car hard jacket. I met him once, I met him once. He walked up and said hello and said, it was good to finally meet you. Cause I would talk about him a lot on TV cause I liked him. I, you know, he's a guy that I had great respect for.

He bought a bunch of land in, you know, right outside of Foxboro and he just farms it. That's all he like wakes up at four in the morning and he farms farms it. That's all he like wakes up at four in the morning and he farms this land. You know, everyone's got their own thing. That's, that's Logue. I just want to be able to say, if I, if I own a house, I have to be able to sit on the porch in my boxer shorts

and not be seen. Yeah. You know, so all my houses are, I can do that. Well, maybe one day I'll get to sit on a porch. I gotta come check you guys out. Gotta come up to Montana, it's God's country. I know. It is God's country.

Before we wrap up real quick, you mentioned players that your eyes just gravitate towards. You played with Bo Jackson. Oh. What's it like being on the field with him? You know, God spent a little bit more time than just putting his hand on somebody's shoulders there and saying, you're gifted.

He came out of a different kind of conveyor belt. Jeez. Bo was, listen, I remember sitting behind the offense first week he was there in a team period on offense I'd sit there on my helmet behind the offense and I'd watch I'd watch you know, I always like formations and yeah You know, I it was of no consequence to me because we're not playing against ourselves but they pitch him the ball and It was just ass and thighs this high off the ground and

he's running faster than everyone. He ran like a 419. He ran faster than everyone. He ran faster than everyone. He was 230 and could eat a cheeseburger and never go into weight room. There are a few guys you could lock in a room for three months and they could come out look in the same and be great.

Barry Sanders, Dion Sanders, Bo and maybe a couple other guys, you know. Bo was, he was truly a shooting star. It was like playing with Elvis. You know, you had to go in the back of the hotel. They had to, you know, there were things that you had to do as an organization because he was so big.

He'd be, imagine him today. Yeah. He's so big. Yeah, great guy. He called me just a couple of weeks ago. We had a death in one of the families and he wanted to let me know. He's a good guy.

Love Bo. Bo knows Bo. I wrote the Ford in his book. Man, that's dope. Howie, I appreciate you so much for coming and taking the time. Thanks for having me. It's great.

You got a nice spot up here. You got good people working with you. Thank you, Mr. Long. There's nobody I want to slap on the way out, you know. Successful day for us then. Yeah. Thank you, Howie. Yeah.

Man. Legend. Legend. I feel like I have my dad in. I feel like my dad's around when how he I had so many more like jokey questions Ask him didn't want to ask him. I didn't want to let how he down in the least I did clam up on on one of them Didn't want to ask him. I don't want to disappoint him. I was wishing somebody would pull up so we could have Them up if someone pulled I felt the safest I've seen I felt in this house We're not a threat certified not a threat not If someone pulled, I felt the safest I've felt in this house.

With Howie there. Not a threat. Certified not a threat. Not a threat. Clear. We gotta make a t-shirt for Jack. Not a threat. Not a threat. Not a threat.

The arrow. Yeah. Man. I would take a bullet for Howie though. I'll dive in front, I'll do whatever it takes. You'd jump in front of a bus? For sure, for Howie, all day. I would too. Mr. Long, though. I'll dive in front, I'll do whatever it takes. You'd jump in front of blush? For sure, for Howie, all day. I would too.

Mr. Long, Mr. Long, I didn't see, I don't think I slipped up and said Howie in there. I started thinking about it. Should I not call Howie? I need the reverence. No, I think you can. You guys are teammates. I know, but it's.

What's crazy, we really talked about it. You know the guy that gets him dipped now, that's me. I get him dipped. He said, is what are you a crack dealer? What do you crack dealer It's crazy that I didn't even notice that but like pretty much everyone on the Fox team has been on the same team Like their same football team like how we with the Raiders Terry with only one is Rob easy went to Tampa and both Yeah, Jimmy, but Rob's kind of that's Rob doesn't see these. So Rob still yeah Yeah, it's different. He's a patriot. He's a patriot, but he's also transcends. He went with Tom

Transcendence I also gotta say mr. Wong came in fitted. He was fitted. He was fitting you can wear the heck out of some cargo pants Cargo pants and a cool jean jacket nice like cut of it. You look great I've never seen sketches be swaggy dude sketchers I see where those sketches he wears sketches all the time at work. I said there are people I'm like are those vans? Like no, he's a new sketchers. I've never seen that model I figured they must be sketches given his deal, but I had never seen that before sketch might get in there, bro My hat to like I might get the house today by the way This he loves nuclear war movies.

Yeah. Did he reference three? He could have been Jack Reacher. He's a hundred percent. Jack Reacher should be Howie Long. He likes his movies like he likes himself a weapon of mass destruction. Dude. He. He. I love it. You're checking to see if he's still. Yeah, I'm checking to see which one. I love his, his, his broad spectrum of knowledge of your reference in the firm. And then your reference in Mike Jones in the same episode was credible, it's credible.

And then also I can see Chris and Kyle just saying my Joe. Do we do a one three three eight zero zero foe. Oh my God. Those two must have been a handful. Oh, I like how we had to be like that with those two boys. I can't even imagine. Yes, Kyle and Chris. Chris is such a smart ass and Kyle is just crazy. He's just crazy.

He's just crazy. Yeah, I would have loved to get some more on part two. They're both really smart guys, so they can scheme the fuck out of their parents probably. 100%, Howie's Jr. probably the same way. Oh my God. Legendary. Shout out Chris and Greenlight.

We love those guys over there. We got a Greenlight. Shout out Charlottesville, Virginia, all those guys. I wonder how he landed in Virginia. I know he said they picked like a cool place, but I wanted to ask him that. I think it was just under the Macy Dixie line. Close to an airport-ish.

Probably, he's probably got all, everything's mapped out to a T with him. You know, he's got like- His land schematics of his property. Well, just that, or or time schematics. Yeah, he probably has a rule where he has to live like 45 minutes from an airport. Yeah, he travels a lot. You know what I mean? When when you think of football, you think like how long like he is.

Didn't get to ask about the neck roll. Didn't get a neck roll. Didn't get a flat top question. Didn't get a flat top question. But everyone asked him a flat top question, I think PMT did that. Well, I mean, we did get what Al Michael smells like or Al Davis smells like. His own cologne. His own cologne. Now, do you think he makes it like he had it per like he prefer him? He's like an alchemist.

Yeah, he's in there. That makes it up. Dude, Sauvage by Al Davis. We should cut like a like an Al Davis clone commercial. Like wolves in the desert. And you know who would be in it? For our hunk? Howie Long. Howie Long. Howie Long. Just we.

I like Davis. Just one baby. He liked that. He loved that. We gotta trademark that. We should hit up Tom Radio over there. But we gotta give him half the trademark. Yeah, we'll give him half for sure. Can you talk about how Tom's, you him half the trademark. Yeah, we'll get

The graders Tom peaches the whole thing what we didn't talk about like the Tom was the Raiders now and Raiders culture And I didn't talk about anything. I just got I got intimidated That come on the show we have audience, you know, we have probably 50 questions that don't get asked because there's so much information We'd want to hear from them. The amount of stories, the amount of experience they've had. We always... I also don't want to waste his time. I didn't want to ask him a question that would make him like, all right, I'm out of here. The cutting room floor is questions up to our ankles.

Yeah. Which he would never do that. No. He would never do that, but I would never put him in the position to do it. We played that well. That was great. I liked... It's an elevator guest. A hundred percent. We played that well. That was great. I like that. It's an elevator guest. A hundred percent. Hall of Famer. In the Nuthouse. I love it. First Raider. No, Richie Incognito.

Richie. Max. First legacy Raider. First old school Raider. First old school Raider. First Super Bowl champion Raider. First Super Bowl champion Raiderider first smoking cigarettes in the locker room Raider Don't think he did it. He did not know no, man, man That was I mean, I'm gonna be doing an ala Davis all day today for the rest of the day Could you imagine those guys at 26 years old 27 28 how big in like? just fucking Bro cool they were oh my gosh, they're were bro cool I bet. Cut, sleet, I bet you in the weight room their fucking attire was so sick. Like fucking just crop top jean or crop top shirts fucking like just straight program shit. Rusty old weights. Somehow the 75 pounds

weighs more than the 75 pounds today like just rusty and heavier and grittier. Probably some shitty ass coffee in there. Some thick coffee. Some instant joint, yeah. For sure. By the airport he said, practice. Fucking Lyle just coming over, takes the whole pot, drinks it.

Rick guys smoking cigarettes over in the fucking training room. What a team. And preparing for this episode, watching the NFL films, like you need NFL films and the Raiders. You gotta, they go hand in hand. It was just so football. NFL films, man.

That's some real cool footage. That is NFL. Shout out to NFL films. They've been around a long time. Yes. They're crushing it. They do, they... So that's a different company or the NFL owns it?

NFL films, from my understanding, was its own adjacent company. I do believe it's under the NFL purview now, as well as potentially the... But it's still like a Jordan thing, you know, like Jordan and Nike, where it's like carved out. For sure, it's like Jordan.

I mean, our cold open is literally inspired by an autumn wind is a raider. That little sequence with the music and that... Autumn wind is a raider. That's Saturday 5, I'll that autumn wind is a raider. Pillage and just you look at the big one. It's 75. All right. What is this? So we're going to try a little something new. Oh, that's been a segment called the Jack asks. What are you watching? I've been, I've been, I've been watching my, my Andy Cohen been harkening back to the

old Jay Leno days of you got to brand these segments. He's a headline for you. Jay Jay walks. But we do Jack asks. Kind of like Jack asks, but Jack asks. Yeah. What do we think of that? You know, I think it's a good question. I think it's a good question. headline for you Jay Jay walks but we do Jack asks kind of like Jack ass but Jack

asks yeah what do we think of that I like that tell us about Jack a little bit I don't don't don't let you'll see the questions okay this is we get a lot of call we love hearing from the fans we love hitting the hotline and we we like those off-the-wall questions we like those out of left fielders we like those off-the-wall questions. We like those out-of-the-left fielders. We like the would-you-rathers. Something that kind of makes you think. Sits with you all day. Puts you on the spot, so to speak. Not quite the hot seat, but a little warm. Like, oh, whoa. Didn't think of that. Yeah. It's kind of like when you press the heat seeder on just one dot instead of three.

It gets three dots. Yes, we're one dot. We're one dotting it. One dotting it. We'll maybe work our way up to three, but we're not there yet. It's only early December. We don't need it. All right, let's actually do the segment. We can do the segment.

These are questions that, they've been a little bit telling. You can tell a lot about someone through these. Jules, without further ado, are you ready? I'm ready. All right, first on our list, we're in the latter part of the NFL season. Later part. What's next on your vacation destination list?

Oh, my my vacation off season vacay. I want to go to Japan. I had a feeling that was going to be in there. I want to go to Japan so bad. Where? I want to go to Tokyo, Kyoto, Kyoto. Kyoto. Kobe. Osaka. Osaka. My dad went there when he was young

and he always talked about it. Do you wanna go with the kids, man? Pick up the old ivories? I like that. I wanna check that out. I think I'm gonna go to... Where am I going, Whistler? That's right, you and Rob, right?

Yeah, we're gonna go to Whistler Ski. That's gonna be awesome. Ski? Not snowboard? Or I'll snowboard. But I don't know, I need to get to Europe. I haven't been to Europe. I don't travel that often. I need to travel internationally more.

I haven't been out of the states other than South America. I went to Brazil. Actually, I have. I went to Brazil. Actually, I have. I've traveled. But I wanna get back to Europe. There's so many places in Europe I've never been. I've never been to the Asia's. I wanna go to a bunch of Asian countries.

I wanna go to, I would love to see China. I wanna see the Great Wall of China. That'd be fucking crazy. And there's a lot of, we don't know anything about China. You don't ever hear about it, but Don Yee, he always talks about how cool it is over there. And I would wanna go with a local like him. But also I wanna go to Thailand, I wanna go to Japan,

I wanna go to Seoul, Korea, South Korea. That'll be tight. I think it'd be really great inspo. I like that vibe. Yeah. So what about you, Jack? Where are you going? Man, I also, my boy is trying to get me in March to do a Japan, but a golf trip.

He's got it. He's got his eye on these sort of, they got these trips where you can buy like golf packages, do like a Japanese golf trip. Isn't it snowy still there? I don't know. I haven't looked into it too much. I'm a little like, it's still a little foreign to me. Everything about it, no pun intended.

I would like to get back to every three to four months I get a New York itch. I got to get back to New York. Traveling to New York is on your... It's not very much, nothing sexy there. Can't come to New York right now. Okay, yeah, that's a different story for a different day. I would like to get to Europe. I've only really ever been to, only ever been to London.

I'd like to hit a Paris, maybe a... You've been to Paris? Never been, I've only been to London. You gotta go to Paris. Have you been to Amsterdam? Never been. I go to Amsterdam. I want to go to Europe deeper. I had a Paris trip. Would you show me around? I don. I go to Amsterdam. I want to go to Europe deeper.

Would you show me around? I don't know that well. I know but we go together. Yeah, we go. Oh, yeah, I'm a good travel comedian. I had a Paris trip planned that I had it cancelled because we launched dudes on dudes. Still eating shit from that for my wife. Hey, you got Hawaii on the horizon. You're good. That's international. You're good. You're good, bro. Yeah, Paris in the offseason. I don't know I want to go I say all this and I'll probably end up going anywhere because I'll have to go do work shit or Only travel I really do is for like if I have to go to a city to do something

Maybe work maybe Ireland next year. Oh I would love to go to Ireland to the homeland We'll just cut it. We'll just cut a games with names in the Kyoto or somewhere. I was just the enemy was talking about a hurling game. Mr. Baseball. We'll just do a Mr. Baseball episode. Alright next on our list, Jules. Go to gas station snack. Pulling over, you're driving the stang, you pull off for a little snack. I don't get snacks anymore. I

Just get a I'll get a cough. I'll get a coffee. Oh Either a Hot I'll sometimes get half coffee if it's in the morning. It's a little nippy out, but I'll take like a some kind of like Cold brew of some sort like that Get a get a tin. maybe a couple different bubble gums. Back in the day I'd get like a corn nut. Oh you're really, corn nuts are underrated. Great gas station snack. I would get like chips. Chips, slushy. Oh slurpee, slushy,

got all day. All day. I didn realize so and then then I went to Ohio And I was introduced to sheets It's like what this is this is a gas station experience. Yes, you give fucking jalapeno poppers so beef jerky She's just in the gas station. It's a way of life. Yes There's other ones like that around the country too. Yeah, I've never been in those ones. Wawa loves Buc-E's.

Yeah, they even eat. Those are some bad ass shit. It's like, it's an experience. I remember like, uh-oh, I gotta go fill up my car today. Yeah. Yeah, it's a uniquely American. And pretty cheap. Oh yeah, they're great.

Good grub, they got a lot going on there. You know, there's cool little like gas stations here. I remember the one gas station in Boston that had a Mexican restaurant in it. In Beacon Hill. Yeah, it was pretty good. But there's always a little Mexican spot in some gas stations and I'm driving to like the lake or something that I'll fucking triple D type spots in a little couple of car, you know, give me some kind asada tacos. Probably gotta cut that out.

Some unleaded. Unleaded. Yeah, all right, next on the list, we talked golf earlier. Jules, what's your favorite club to hit in the bag these days? Favorite club to hit? What's feeling good these days?

Zero, none of them right now. Nothing's feeling pure? I'm not feeling very pure. All right When it comes down to it my seven amen me too me too evens or an odds iron guy I Don't know that I'm a seven seven nine. So I'm odds. Yeah seven and nine or two of my I'm an odds guy Yep, and I love my uh, I Love my uh, I Love my My 50 I

like my 50 Like night like my one twenty one and one ten and in using my 50 I feel like I'm pretty decent with that feel like we're due for a more park outing here soon No, my driver just sucks right now. It's alright. We'll get there Just nice and easy. Let the club do the work You're good more of like my slot fucking what's his name got in my goddamn head who Ryan Max Homer? What is oh? The video talk about my goddamn slot so I go to my goddamn coach. I'm like, yo, what's up my slot? What's up my slot?

You in the slot not being Hand-in-hand just seems wrong. I thought I am the slot. You're a slotty pippin'. It's fuckin' bullshit. Freakin' Homer. Homer? Come on, Homer. Come on the show.

Yeah, come on the show. Come on the show and give me a goddamn golf lesson. Come on, baby. Los Angeles native. I'm a damn dimple head here, bro. Ha ha ha. ABG, always be golfing. Next up on our list Jules what's a show or a movie you've been rocking with lately? What you been streaming? I'm

watching Landman. Oh Billy Bob. Billy Bob. Taylor Sheridan I gotta get on that. I like it. I like Billy Bob Thornton's. I don't know Texas stuff like that like the gas you know it's fun to watch those kind of things and see like the Hollywood version of what they think of it. And Billy Bob's tailor made for that kind of tailor made. I love that. I also like lioness. That's really good.

Big Paramount Plus guy here. Dude, I don't know why I dropped it. I I don't know. I watched Landman. I don't know who told me about Landman. And then I saw someone talking about lioness. Like, these are two pretty good shows. I like Paramount's content. Me too. I like the TSEU. Yeah. What else is there out right now? What are you watching? I'm watching I'm watching Shrinking here and there a little bit. Apple has great content. They got good stuff

I need to get into Landman catching up on my below deck I want to watch that new Salt Lake City selling Salt Lake on Bravo. Southern Charms back baby. You know I'm deep in that. Don't even know what that is. It's trash. It's great stuff. Really good stuff. What else am I rocking with?

I like this. I like universal basic guys. Animation, domination. But we need the great north and we need family guy back. Come on now I've been watching I watched some Christmas stuff recently actually. Yeah, I'm gonna movies Thing is it takes me forever to watch a show because I'll start watching my show when I put my kid down and By that time, after being in the car three hours the whole day,

going to soccer practice, fucking tutor, this, that, it's like full-time thing, I'm done. I can never pay attention. I don't have the attention span. So I'm like, I throw on my show after a day and I throw it on, it takes me, to watch a 45 minute show, it takes me like four nights. I'm with you, bro. Long days, man. You have you have his nutcrackers this new Ben Stiller one I

liked it it was really well like it's a Ben Stiller Christmas movie oh yeah I want to see it you got to watch it it's really good really can watch it with really kid probably in the middle it's right in the middle she's eight now so she's pretty much adult it's right in the middle it was Danny McBride and those guys are behind it too oh my god yeah I don't know if that she's ready it's good no no PG 13 it's good eight they're gonna throw like there's only be dongs and stuff in it no no no no no no it is not there it's this isn't this isn't gemstones this is family-friendly ish ish you got a would Frank let you watch would he let you watch like our stuff when you're living it?

They let me watch anything. I know the brother though same. Oh seven years older. It's watching Rambo like three fucking rocky at one I Was going to see like Borat when I was like 11 like yeah Which I got one more exposure last one. This is a this is kind of crazy, bro No football for a year or break a leg? What do you mean? Would you rather have no football for a year? Like you just can't watch. You can't check scores, can't watch highlights. Or have a broken leg.

I might like that. Or break you. A broken leg? No, not watching a football. Oh crap. I might like that. Or should I like break? No, not watching football. Oh, I might love it. I may take not watching football for one year because every time I watch a game, I just it's just constant flashbacks and like situational shit.

You don't even enjoy it. I'm sitting there like, all right, I can talk about that. Oh, that's fucking terrible. Oh, sick play reminds me of this play back in this game. Like that's what's going through my mind when I can talk about that. Oh, that's fucking terrible. Oh, sick play. Reminds me of this play back in this game. Like that's what's going through my mind while I'm watching these things. That's why when you guys see me watching, like when we watch the pre-cuts

and like we have a bunch of research for all the, you know, our guests, I'll sit and I'll watch it and I'll tell everyone to shut up. I'm like, yo, I gotta, one second, please. Cause I wanna hear, I wanna hear the contact. I wanna hear what the announcer's up. I'm like, yo, I got a one second, please. Because I want to hear I want to hear the contact. I want to hear what the announcer is saying. I want to be involved. I'm so involved. I hate it. That's man. I kind of like so this is not even a punishment.

This might be the reward. People feel like no football. I'm so sick of rehab. I'm so sick of rehab. I will not fucking. That's why I get so scared about playing the pickleball and like explosive shit I'm not trying to pull out an Achilles and I've done so much physical therapy I'm so sick of it where I could go and live a very happy life

I don't have to do that no more. I have to go get my fucking shoulder Fixed because it's it's hurting. I like to imagine you just go off the grid, travel Asia all football season, come back chief to one another and you don't even care. And you're just a new man. You're like, you've traveled all over Asia. I would love to do that. All football season.

Don't even think about ball. Okay. Yes, that's what I'm envisioning. I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with the criminals in China. That would be awesome. You know how he did. That's what I'm envisioning. I'm envisioning. I think I need to go live with the criminals in China You know, you know how he did he yes like the not China being criminals But like the bad people in China or not China. Where was he? Now we in his price samurai

Samurai's Japan But China's so goddamn big it could be China China is a huge country continent thing both in population and in landmass both That's why I bet you there's some like because they don't really show their shit off. There's like I Was watching in China go getting back to the travel shit There was isn't there like something discovered in China getting back to the travel shit. There wasn't, isn't there like something discovered in China recently, like archeologists discovered some like crazy shit, but it's hard to get any information

out of it because China doesn't allow any of the, that's what I wanna go see. I wanna go see the hidden shit. Cause China, and it's also fascinating to me that like Asian culture is like the oldest culture in the world. They've been around for thousands and thousands of years. We didn't get a ton of Asian history education either. Which is, our history is only 800 years old, 500 whatever,

since the 1600, 1700, Europe goes back a couple, China bro. I wanna see what those artifacts are looking like. Yeah, I'm doing some digging here on these. Something with, I don't know. These Chinese artifacts. Ancient tomb discovery sheds new light on origins of Chinese civilizations. Over 350 artifacts unearthed from a 5,000 year old tomb

is in the global times. 5,000 years. Man. Okay, that's before the pharaohs. That's just, no? Discovered in the Oangxing ruins. Egypt's been around for a while. Maybe I was way off on that.

Yeah. That's wild though. There were some Egyptian pharaohs happening around that time. 100%, 5,000 years ago? Yeah. Egyptian civilization is crazy. Yeah, but China's been there forever.

Did you know, I think there's something crazy in the United States, check me on this. But the... Africa's first? Well, what's, Gali? Well, Egypt's Africa. Pingi? Pingi?

I don't know. What is it, the one where we were all one continent and it broke up? No, P'n'Gia. P'n'Gia? P'n'Gia. Is that real? Yeah, play Tectonics.

So we have earthquakes. It's Andrea's fault. So how many years does that take? A hundred millions? Millions, yeah. Millions, P'n'Gia. Millions, yeah. No humans.

Is it real? Yeah, of course. Is it real? Yeah, of course. You can look at fossils that are like... Well, yeah, because that's why you have a lot of the same trees probably from Japan that you have in the Bay Area, San Francisco, because it probably broke off. Plate tectonics, 100%. I love that kind of stuff too.

I like some Indiana Jones shit. That's why China would be sick. You talk about San Andreas Fault too. Southern California or Western California is not on the same plate as Eastern California. Oh, I know. So like, in thousands of years, millions of years, they'll be separated. That's probably a couple hundred million years.

I don't know the exact numbers. Well, we'll all be dead by then. We'll all be dead. Well, that's another episode of... Games with names. Man. Geology with names. Blades, tectonics. Yeah, that's gonna be a six on the Richter scale.

What a game! That was epic. Howie Long. Howie. Freaking love Howie. I just never wanna disappoint him. Me neither, I was on the P's and Q's. I don't think you did. Yeah, but were we tight enough?

Was our operation tight enough? I am pretty intuitive on guest vibes, and he was down. Should've, you know, I should've got him smoothie. I was hoping you'd give him a, put a little wintergreen. I know, I didn't even get to tell him that story, but I didn't know if he wanted that, I didn't know if he wanted that story out. Or the do it physically. Yeah, maybe he'd give me a look where

he'd break me with his eyes. Not in front of the YouTube audience. I got in mid-episode, thankfully he was just looking at my hat, I was like, oh fuck, what did I do? What did I do? A photographer came through, like real quick, I saw him, looked for a second, I, what did I do? Oh a photographer came through like real quick I saw him look for a second Hey, what do you say to what did you tell Chris every every night before the game keep your head on a fucking swivel

Don't hang around piles You get hurt that way that's right. It's true. All right, man. Thanks again to Howie. That was so fun. Awesome amazing legendary Raider. And the Raiders, I mean without the Raiders, there's no NFL. Amen. He's a Raider, but he also belongs to football. Kind of like Randy Moss.

Everyone could be a fan of Howie Long. 100%. Because he transcends, but that's because he's a Raider. Yeah, anywhere's sketchers. That's because he was a winning Raider. We were talking about the Raiders, I was gonna chime in, was a winning raider. We were talking about the raiders. I was going to chime in, but I didn't. Like you talk about like the raiders for like a southwestern team.

I don't think the raiders are tied to geography. I think the raiders are tied to like an identity. The like like the hard nose, whatever. It doesn't matter if they're in Oakland or if they're in Vegas or they're in Los Angeles. Being a raider is something that's not tied to where you are. It's how you are. It's a state of mind. State of mind. Ba dum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum bum And that's another episode of games with names.

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