Games with Names - “Super Bowl XXI” with Phil Simms | Giants vs. Broncos

Episode Date: February 7, 2023

On today's episode, we're heading back to the Rose Bowl for Super Bowl XXI between the Denver Broncos and the New York Football Giants. We check out what was going on in the world of pop culture in January of '87 (6:02). We check out the teams and break down this star studded matchup (16:15). Mr. Simms joins us in studio to take us inside one of the greatest quarterbacking performances in Super Bowl history in what would turn out to be a game of many firsts (28:08). Jules & Sam wrap it all up, talk legacy, and give this game a score (1:31:40).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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A tale of two halves and a quarterbacking performance of the ages. Are we going to Disney World? This is Super Bowl XXI. Hello and welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. I'm Julian Edelman. I'm Sam Morrell and we're on a search to find the greatest games of all time. And on today's episode, we're talking Super Bowl XXI, the New York Jets versus the Denver Broncos. The Giants. Oh, it's the Giants? Are you sure?

I mean, I know some people wish it was the Jets. Yeah, it is. It's the Giants. It's the Giants. We'll be joined by legend Phil Simms in studio. In studio performance. That's why I'm wearing this. That's why I'm wearing this. I think you might be converting, man. Five and one.

Giants rolling. Eh. Eh. Well, you're going to check on what was going on in 1987. Yeah. January. Break down this classic Super Bowl and then wrap it up by naming and scoring the game. Make sure to follow Games With Names on social, YouTube, Instagram, Twitter, TikTok.

Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts. And comment on the game you want to see. Rate, review, and communicate. Yeah. You know what the key to success is? Communication? Communication. That's what happens when we're succeeding.

We're on the same chemistry, same page. That's what it is. Why are we doing this game? I mean, first giant Super Bowl. That's pretty big. A lot of championships. This was the big first Super Bowl. So many fun personalities here that we teased it,

but LT, one of the most fun ever. Sims, who is your coworker. Mr. Sims. Love Mr. Sims. Love Mr. Sims. He had one of the best quarterbacking performances in Super Bowl history. I believe he only had like three incompletions. What was the stat line?

22 for 28, 266 yards, three touchdowns, five straight scoring drives in the second half. I thought it was 22 or 25. Let me double check that. I think that was just in the second half. Really? I think that was just in the second half. We'll get that cleaned up.

Okay. But Phil Simms sets the Super bowl record for 88 completion rate it was the first super bowl win like we already stated for the new york football giants but we have elway on the other side of this young john elway young gunn stanford kid elway yeah pretty boy didn't he wasn't even one of the first to to not sign with the team was of the colts it was the baltimore colts at the time he said no way i'm gonna go play for the yankees instead they trade him to the denver broncos becomes a bronco legend and this is before he got the super bowls and he was humbled by Mr. Sims and the New York football giants. Yeah, he won at the end.

Won at the end. Yeah. But he got humbled a couple times in the Super Bowl. He got blown out by the Niners. Yeah. He got blown out here. It wasn't until they went to that running game with Terrell Davis. Yeah.

Migraines. Remember that? He always had migraines. He always had migraines. Yeah. I do remember that. Sam, you were right. 22 of 25. My do remember that sam you were right 22 of 25 my math was off hell yeah 22 of 25 don't you ever disrespect miss let me say that again don't you

ever disrespect mr sims 22 of 25 like mr burns oh yeah they call me mr tibbs remember that from the in the heat of the night? Sidney Poitier? I like Mr. Pibb. Mr. Pibb is good. Better than Dr. Pepper? Just has like 30 times more caffeine. Really? I think that was their selling point. It had way more caffeine. Remember Jolt? I was just going to say, that's insane that you just said that.

Dude. They had Jolt gum. Yeah. saying that you just said that dude they had jolt gum yeah you had to be a real piece of shit kid to be chewing jolt on your skateboard just chewing the 90s surge was the other one surge was a little much i didn't like it was like mountain dewey right yeah and the commercial was like surge like it was like an avalanche of kids just like running i think yeah i don't remember that but i can only imagine with i think they have like 300 milligrams of caffeine and you have a 12 year old drinking it that was a demo i mean it was crazy uh i mean for loco is like the you know the alcoholic version but this was like pre-for loco jolt cola that was it was fucking bad for

you this was pre people knowing soda was terrible for you i think they knew they did they my parents won't let me drink it nah it's because they want to deal with the sugar high but they didn't know it was terrible for you they didn't know if you put you put like a a nail in in a cup of coke and it dissolves in like a day is that does that really happen a nail let me check on that or something mr pibb 40 grams of caffeine though that's a lot it's a lot and the and the flavor is technically spicy cherry damn there was always the there was always the uh like the rumor or like the oh my the the urban myth that what was it uh dr pepper was like apricot or no prune prune soda yeah you ever hear

that i've heard it's like 31 flavors or something like i thought it was like the prune it was like carbonated prune juice yeah is it is it prune juice no what is it jack let me check on that real quick prune juice but let's go back to january 27th 1987 on this day the number one movie in america was critical condition you ever see that i don't even know what i don't either what is it i don't let's move on move on move on the number one song in america at this point or at this moment by billy vera and the beaters the beaters was chris brown in that group what the i guess he would have been too young what uh who i don't know that song can we get a sample this was we'll uh we'll legal allow it can we play a sample all right forget it sorry

no legal but aretha franklin inducted into the rock and roll hall of fame first female inductee that's crazy i mean that's she was a she could sing legend i i was at a roast once years ago and uh it was the matt lauer roast i was in the crowd and she sang the national anthem and jeff ross comes out and his first line is wow aretha that was amazing usually it's uh it's not over till the fat lady sings oh that was the opening line and just cut to her giving him the finger and i was like well i guess this is a roast dude that's gnarly yeah comedy yeah straight for jugulars full house premieres yeah unfortunately i i'm looking for a house in the market

in los angeles shed a single tear because i looked at bob saget's house oh man it was a cool house cool house cool house uh but you know just didn't cross the line with mr tanner and his decor he was a he was a classy dude i knew a little bit and he was a really really i've heard nothing but insane things really cool everyone he's you know left a great impact dude he knew everyone he was like friends with rodney dangerfield i mean he's been around forever you know i'll tell you you're all right yeah i love this my mother never breastfed me she told me she liked me as a friend classic i don't love rodney that's good i could do rodney i'm back to school is like my favorite comedy is it oh my god

it's like bulletproof so many good laughs in that movie the scene where the wife's so many back and forth where she goes oh you're impossible oh yeah and you're easy like there's so many hard laughs in that movie killer oh wait the simpsons debuts as a series of shorts on the tracy ullman show i mean the simpsons 1987 i mean that's that's a crazy that first season of writers on the simpsons is like all from taxi yeah they're all like heavyweight writers yeah you know i mean? I mean, it's lasted forever. Yeah. It's still going. It's one of the great shows. Beverly Hills Cop topped the movie charts

while Dirty Dancing was an unexpected hit. Love both. I never saw Dirty Dancing. I can't believe I have never seen it. No one puts Baby in a Corner. I get the reference, but I don't get the reference. You don't get the reference. I know.

Beverly Hills Cop is spectacular my dad that was like an important thing my dad was like we have to watch Beverly Hills Cop and you know it's like he loved Beverly Hills Cop oh man it was the best I like the third one when I went to the amusement park a lot of people hated it a lot of people thought it sucked that's when I you know that you always kind of favor up with like the movie that you grew like you cross traject with like your age where you kind of start getting jokes like the rockies like i didn't like the first three until i like grew up and i was older but when like rocky four came out and it was like action 80s like that's the one i liked because i was at the

age where i could understand no i know you know what i mean yeah yeah and then you re-watch like oh that's way better that's all that one's better but i never saw beverly hills cop 3 the first two are killer killer lights out mike tyson's punch out oh my god i remember that shit i do yeah i remember that they had didn't they have they had the box they had no they didn't have that yet they had the box, they had, no, they didn't have that yet. They had something. That was Duck Hunt. Because this was, this had to be a Nintendo. But the arcade, I think was, did the- Arcade.

Did it have the thing where you do that? Remember, I felt like we were terrible podcasting, but yeah, we're holding on to things and you hit. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, people watch us on YouTube too, maybe. Yeah. Yeah, it was an adaptation of the uh 1984 arcade game punch out interesting that's what it is uh mike tyson moved to 32 and 0 first unified champ since 1978 yeah he it was like super bowl sunday anytime he fought when

i was a kid he was the baddest dude terrifying mean, you saw him fuck that guy up in Delta One. That was like, he still got it. I mean, I do tip my hat to that man that was jawing Mike Tyson. I don't. He sucked. I mean, I don't understand. Like, this guy's got balls. I think he, does he have balls or is he just stupid?

Could it be a mixture of both? Probably. Yeah. Let's get to the 1986-87 NFL season. Bo Jackson was the first overall pick to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, but pulled an Elway and went to the Royals instead. Insane that he was that good at sports. Dude, he was so monstery when remember

and when he played with the the royals and he scathed the wall caught like he tracked a ball probably like 60 yards that was on a rope scales a wall runs up the wall throws a guy i mean he was so athletic and the baseball pants they looked like under armor on him and before under armor was even made he just his thighs were like chafing while he was running like a gazelle he was a gazelle i just watched the nolan ryan doc yeah which is amazing if you haven't seen it but they there's a great scene of bo jackson versus nolan it's just like alpha versus alpha legend versus legend and he fuck he did you know you forget nolan ryan wasn't invincible it's like yeah he hit

he hit some bombs off him dude no and people forget that bo jackson was that good of a baseball player he was he was great at baseball and football really good record set dan marino Really good. Record set, Dan Marino, most passing attempts with 623. Dan Marino, most completions with 378. Those have been topped? Those have had to have been topped. Yeah, got to be. Let me look into that. MVP, Lawrence Taylor, first defensive player to win the award since 1971.

20.5 sacks, 106 total tackles. And, I mean, he was just the baddest dude. He's a savant player. Yeah. I mean, to hear the stories about him, and I'm sure Mr. Sims will give us a couple. I'm looking forward to hearing it because all the stories i've heard is he's just uh yeah he it didn't matter uh what time betty went what time what time he went to bed or what he was doing he was gonna be balling on the football field yeah like one of the early

party but still delivered i mean epic yeah coach of the year bill parcells yeah i i wonder if we're gonna get some good stories about him that'll be that'll be interesting the rule change the first introduction of the replay for the officials wow they still haven't got that one down it just lengthens the game regardless the referee play has gotten so inconsistent i mean there's black and there's white we have so much gray in our rules right now it's fucking ridiculous i can't watch a game without like it's terrible yeah like let the boys play i know we got lawsuits people are getting hurt and head but like right, we know what we signed up for. Oh, dude.

It's, I mean, how about baseball with these replays? You're like, this is already the slowest game on the planet. Baseball. You need to not have replays. Okay. Get it right. Or three innings, one pitcher and a guy on second. Let's go.

You're getting rid of the guy running out and kicking dirt on the empire's feet because you're reviewing it. I want to see a guy be like, fuck you and get thrown out. Yeah. Like remember that one dude who went outrageous in like a triple A team. He's thrown the, what was the, what's the thing called? The chalk. Yeah.

Do they have those anymore? The rosin bag. The rosin bag. Do they still have them? I don't see him as often. I think they're back there. Are they back there? They gotta be in the bullpen, right?

Gotta be. Gotta be. I'm not looking at that. Man. is often i think they're back there are they back they gotta be in the bullpen right gotta be gotta get into that man but i remember that one guy who like had a crazy meltdown the manager like threw one at the bomb like bear crawl like those are always fun i don't i do remember robbie alomar spitting on a manager and being like holy shit that's crazy great player you will but you can't spit on a man. You can't spit on an umpire. No, you can't. You just can't do it.

You remember Bill Romanowski spitting at J.J. Stokes' face? Yeah, he was a fucking scary dude. He was a maniac. Yeah. Did you know him? No. Yeah. He still looks like a maniac.

Yeah. What were you doing in 1987? We were both babies, dude. I don't remember. I don't remember either, but I've got pictures do you i mean my mom does what kind of pictures there's one picture my mom's an artist so there's one picture of me in like a jean her artsy friend took a picture of me in a jean jacket dick just flopping out did it and and it's a it's a baby dick yeah i don't know why we had i mean like there's no need for this. She has it up in her,

in her office. I'm like, why is this? Who is this for? You know, technically you can get, you can get some trouble for that these days. If it's your son,

I think you're okay. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I wonder who had a bigger penis at one. Mine's not looking great in that photo. I mean, it's not looking amazing.

Two Jews. That's not going to come away. It's not it's not gonna be a good uh i don't know how they performed the circumcision i'll put it this way it was not looking great yeah yeah let's get into the teams new york football giants 14 and 2 pat to the super bowl beat beat my San Francisco 49ers. 49-3. Smoked them. They were physical at the line of scrimmage. I remember seeing the old footage. You got to be physical with the finesse Niners. I think Joe was hurt too.

Maybe that was the reason. Beat the Redskins. They were always hurt. Beat the Redskins and Joe Gibb. Beat Joe Gibb and the Redskins in the wind bowl. Coached by Bill Parcells. Defensive coordinator, old coach Belichick. Special teams coach, Romeo Cornell.

And we'll leave it at that. Mr. Sims is going to be on here. He had a career high, four game-winning drives this year. He had 3,487 yards, 21 touchdowns, 22 interceptions. We got to get that ratio better, Mr. Sims. Yeah, well, he wasn't scared to let it fly. He was not scared to let it fly, and that's what made him good. Competitor.

Get it done. Second and the last player to ever win MVP. Oh, Lawrence Taylor. All right, there we go. That's crazy. Lawrence Taylor, second and last. Ray Lewis never won a regular season MVP? DOP, D-O-Y-P.

Defensive player of the year, or D-O-P-Y. That's crazy that that's never happened. Yeah, I mean, it's a quarterback. That's a quarterback happened. Yeah. I mean, it's a quarterback. That's a quarterback award. Yeah. I mean, what's the last quarterback that hasn't got it? We'll have to ask Jackie on the. Let me take a look right now.

All right. They all said Carl Banks, which he was an absolute monster legend. Some people even say he was the best linebacker on the team i don't know i mean during that postseason run he kind of was yeah the last non-qb to win the mvp was former guest adrian peterson adrian peterson running 2012 endangered species the running back i don't know have you seen Saquon Barkley, dude? I'm saying We'll see He's bringing it back, dude

Talk about legs, you talking about Bo Jackson's legs? Have you seen Saquon's legs? Quadzilla The 8th ranked scoring offense led by Mr. Sims and all pro tight end Mark Bavaro and running back Joe Morris.

Second-ranked scoring defense, defensive coordinator, of course, Bill Belichick and his little schemes that I hope we get into with old Mr. Sims. They had the nickname, the Big Blue Wrecking Crew. Yeah. You got the Denverver broncos who are 11 and five first in the afc west they beat uh new england 22 17 in the in the divisional they beat the browns in the conference uh the drive coach dan reeves they had elway uh gary uh

kubiak backup quarterback head coach yeah and then you have Tom Jackson, Sammy Winder. Eighth-ranked offense, 15th-ranked defense, sorry. Led by all pros, Carl Melkenberg. I think that's why the Giants won. And Rulon Jones, great D run. And it was Elway's fourth season. He was a scrambling man. I mean, he was hard to get down.

He had a cannon. Yeah, they said that he was like one of the highest projected draft quarterbacks in the history of the game. Like when he came out, he was a non. You would not miss if you got John Elway. And it's crazy to see how he got to the Denver Broncos saying he was going to hold out to play for the Yankees because he was a two-sport athlete.

The guy was a stud. That didn't end up happening. Ended up with Denver Broncos. And the rest is history. And he was able to win them games and was clutch in the playoffs with the drive. And we talked about what matters. That's why we're bringing Phil Simms here.

So, you know, Elway, he was a beast. Yeah, absolute beast. Let's get to the game. First half, Giants open up with a score on the first possession. They trade scores. Broncos miss cues and missed opportunities. They missed a 23-yard field goal. Crazy to miss that in the Super Bowl.

Because I think he hit the longest one, right? And missed the shortest. Yeah, he hit 48-yarder, which was tied for the longest, and then turned around and set the record, missing the 23-yarder. 23, and he also missed a 34-yarder, which is kind of a gimme. Elway takes a safety. That's never good. Had a chance to go up 17-7, but didn't.

Not their best half by any means, but the Giants hung in there. They had a couple goal line stands, which was huge. And to go in at halftime only down one point with the miscues that the Giants had was pretty impressive, so probably confident. Sims puts on a show. He's 22 of 25, throws three touchdowns, led five straight scoring drives in the second. He couldn't miss his target.

No. In the second half. Five straight scoring drives. Yeah, unbelievable. And they just pulled away. I mean, you see that moment where like Elway just couldn't do in the second half yeah that defense was too hostile it was amazing yeah a lot of good playmakers on that defense so it was a rematch from earlier

in the year where the Giants won 1916 and they forced four turnovers in that one things we might have forgotten neil diamond did the national annual diamond that's he's a boston guy yeah i think i've seen i've seen him at some i think we did charity event i mean they always play him at the red sox games right yeah sweet caroline yeah he bugs the shit out of me seventh inning right or is it is seventh inning yep seventh inning or is it the eighth because everything is take me out to the and then we go after that usually we have it's always amazing when you have a huge lead against the yankees you got them in there and they're pinstripes and all of a sudden you start swinging singing sweet care life. Bugs me. Bum, bum, bum. I was like, how'd they find a worse?

Your time's never been so good. Harder, harder, harder. Meanwhile, the Yankees are doing Cod and I, Joe. Have you ever heard that one? No. Where'd you come from? Where'd you go? Where'd you come from?

Cod and I, Joe. You never seen that one? Nah. Pretty brutal. Yeah, it's pretty forgettable. Oh, it's forgettable. That's bad. Halftime show is George Burns, Mickey Rooney.

This is old school that you have comedians doing. You have a comedian. Didn't George Burns have that famous joke, it only takes one drink to get me drunk, the trouble is I can't remember if it's the 13th or 14th? That's some classic joke writing. I don't know. I't know george burns or i don't know him that well you know his face if you see him if i saw him yeah you'd know what he see you're starting to get me more and more you know i may not know no you know the name but the face oh you know that guy yeah i

see i've seen him before a few times classic he lived to like a hundred yeah he's around smoking cigars living to a hundred what that's old school man that's just good genes yeah uh the first the first gatorade shower in super bowl history and the first i'm going to disneyland i'm going to disney world where are you going phil sims i'm going to disney world yeah first one of those two that's pretty epic it is because because you think of that as every year now and you think of the you said i'm going to disney world i said it a couple times got and and the the i almost said the golden shower the gatorade shower it was not the golden shower it was not but could be could have been lemon lime though could have been lemon lime

it's kind of close depends uh that's a is that what's your gatorade flavor i always liked lemon lime or fruit punch i like the original kind mine too. Although the blue is pretty good too. And they have an ice one. There's like some ice flavor. No, it's like a blue ice, light blue, pretty delicious. Back in the day, you would win shit from Gatorade. They would have the glass Gatorade bottles and they would have prizes under the cap. Here was a great hack.

Lemon ice was the clear flavor. You could just straight up look under and see if you won. So I would just always win. I those two i think yeah but it didn't it didn't it wasn't better than the mcdonald's monopoly dude that i was like a fat kid because of that game i i had tits because of that fucking because i thought i was gonna get boardwalk and i was i was stuck on park place like a degenerate gambler it was terrible i wonder if they did it like regionally like there's like one broadway over here one park place in like new hampshire because i had dreamed i remember dreaming about that watching blank check that remember that

movie blank checks i'm gonna win i'm gonna get boardwalk in park place or whatever it was they were really raising like the most unhealthy kids oh because you're a gambler and you're eating mcdonald's you're just you're raising disgusting people that's america that was me i mean i was america i was all in on it dude and then you'd be like fucking you know oh you'd be like oh atlantic avenue gives a shit what are the bad ones like The railroad? Yeah, railroad. Oh, that hurt. I'm going to get $200 for gas. What were the really bad ones?

What were the shittiest? The Reds. The Reds were okay. I'm thinking like the... Like Kentucky Avenue. Yeah, no good. Pennsylvania Avenue. Who cares? Tennessee Avenue. like kentucky avenue yeah no good pennsylvania avenue who cares um tennessee avenue virginia avenue yeah vermont avenue mediterranean avenue what mediterranean they get weird everyone everything they throw in like oriental and you're like wait a second

who made this game a bunch of racists um the gaming corner presented by win bet uh so the giants were uh 9.5 and they covered minus nine and a half points yeah yikes the over and under 41 points that went over i mean they they just crushed them in the second half they never never looked back. I mean, I bet you a lot of gamblers got hurt on this one. Yeah. Because nine and a half points in a Super Bowl, I don't care who you got. You got the Giants. See, I'm still new to this.

So actually, I should just keep my mouth shut. Well, what should we do? What should our bet be with Sims? How about if we say, how many times we can say the new york football giants i mean it's like just the classic word we have to the new york football giants what are we gonna set the line at what are you thinking jack what do you think we can hit i think five and a half sounds reasonable five and a half that's not that many we could definitely that's easy i mean

we easily do five and a half yeah i i would take the we'll see we'll see what the listeners think maybe we'll get it maybe we won't all right well we're gonna uh have phil sims in the studio joining us excited we're ready to get a guy in the studio but it is you know we're still we're still like break fasting covid yeah so but until then let's take a quick break you know this two-timer pro ball, that shit bothers me. Excuse me. I'm sorry. No, no, no.

You can curse. You can curse. No, no, no. Just shit. But, you know, guys make so many pro balls now because the first seven quarterbacks pull out. I mean. Yeah.

Yeah, Phil. I should have said yes. You should have. I didn't. Because I thought. You were competing for Super Bowls. Well, the other thing is, too, the pro the pro bowl was scary well they used to hit yes it was scary here's the play call all right guys i'm gonna get rid of a quick please here we go protect me

here's the play i'm not exaggerating because it was did people get injured in the pro bowl back oh no but it was kill the quarterback you think they were gonna they cared if the running back ran through there they wanted to get sacks, and that was it. So, Mr. Sims, are you trying to – sorry, Phil. You can call me Mr. Sims. All right. You let me know. Okay.

Do you ever think you got a roughing the passer call? You know, I don't even remember roughing the passer being something you could throw a flag on. I'm sure I did, but I don't remember it. Yeah. I just don't remember roughing the passer being part, you know, something you could throw a flag on. I'm sure I did, but I don't remember it. Yeah. I just don't remember roughing the passer being part of the game. And sometimes every once in a while I'll go by a TV and I see an old game of ours. And I look up there and I just laugh.

Oh my gosh. Don't wonder I'm beat up. No, but you know, it's really, it was just a different era. Nobody thought anything about it no yeah you know so and that's why he's tough and that's why you feel the toughness off of phil sims when you're working with him every week tuesday on inside the nfl streaming on paramount plus and let's welcome mr philip sims from kentucky yes this is sam row my co-host nice to meet you talk to you i'm julian kentucky man that's like mr kentucky yeah mr kentucky what do you mean that's like what what

are you i love kentucky what you talking about bourbon country a lot of bourbon yeah everybody thinks i'm a bourbon drinker i don't like bourbons too sweet not a big drinker but oh well if you do drink what is it what's your go-to i'd like to get there quick crystal crystal meth that's a no well no well it tastes terrible but i feel better yeah no yeah that's that's one thing comes with age yeah you you don't mind a cocktail at night every once in a while that's for sure so what's what's the cocktail thing that you do like vodka vodka vodka all right but before we start yeah what are we gonna mr sims phil yeah i don't know what to call you now now i feel a little nervous i feel like we're on the same you know wait just do what you always do mr shims all right i'll call you mr shims mr shims yeah well go ahead

so you know before we start we got your little accolades here seventh overall pick in the 1979 draft yeah that went over well with the giant fans did it yeah oh yeah were they pissed oh yeah gee who do they want well i don't think anybody back then thank god espn and everybody wasn't out there going over every player so the fans really didn't know the players uh i wasn't surprised i went seventh every player. So the fans really didn't know the players. I wasn't surprised I went seventh, the seventh pick. There was talk of you going earlier. No, I think I knew all the teams that were going to probably draft me.

And I knew the Giants. They basically said two weeks before the draft, we're taking you. And they told my coach that too. From Moorhead State? Yeah, I know. Yeah, I know. From Moorhead State. Moorhead State, fun fact, is named after a man pleading with his jewish wife oh my god okay this is a podcast he's a two-time super bowl champ a super bowl mvp and like you see we got something in common

but you were the first to do the disney commercial right i was did you get to do it too i did it twice oh you did it twice so good for you twice yeah i did it and i was like what am i doing here but you know walking across the field i'm going and i just was embarrassed because it's a football game i just you know i don't we're old school you are too yeah yeah and i just said what are we doing here i mean it's just not right but i'm glad i did it for a lot of reasons you started the trend yeah it was great were you nervous i mean coming out of kentucky coming to new york city in the 80s was that was that at all like such a big market i guess they hadn't won ever they never won a super bowl right at that point yeah no they hadn't but no they won a lot of championships back in the old days in the 50s but no i wasn't nervous about coming up you know

people always ask me those kind of questions which i understand i played at morehead state and my favorite games when we were away and we were at homecoming because everybody picked us for our homecoming team you know well we want to win let's play morehead state but the great thing is there was a crowd there yeah you know so i mean i love the fact having a crowd and sometimes they would chant my name like kill sims i'm like man i must be really done pretty good but yeah i wasn't nervous and jules you know this too the football field it doesn't matter where it is or whatever it's the same yeah and you know how did you adapt from small college to this? I don't know. You know, after a few practices, you get the hang of it. You have no choice.

Yeah. Well, not only that, you just kind of adjust, you go, Oh, I threw that pass and the linebacker picked it off, which I've never seen before. So the next time I said, I gotta be a little more, uh, pay more attention, whatever, see it differently. and i don't know i i felt like even my rookie year you kind of pick up with the talent and go from there well there's always like a defining play when you're a younger person or a rookie in the league like for me it was when i ran a punt back in the preseason then i was like all right i could play with these guys yeah there's always one defining moment like it could have been the next time you threw that cover to the linebacker, not picking it. You're like, all right, I just got to not make the same mistake twice.

Right. You know, so there's always that one play that always defines. All right. Gives you that confidence. Yeah. Mine would be this. I didn't play in our first preseason game with the Giants. They wanted to hold me out and give me another week of practice.

So we go down to Pittsburgh. Well, okaysburgh's are on their way to winning their fourth super bowl that year and they decided me to play in three river stadium and i get under the center and go there's joe green there's lc which i can't i mean it was unbelievable it was eight hall of famers yeah and i'm looking at them going you know it was something else you want to rip your head off too yeah i mean i i got great stories about that game but there's mean joe green i mean i mean let's stop the game i need some autographs you know all these guys that i i idolized terry bradshaw growing up yeah and there i was playing against him you know so it was really did he say anything like after the

game you ever say anything to you when you were young no i didn't get to talk to him after that game uh i mean joe green said something to me we talked for a second and all that and then eight years later we had won the super bowl we're playing there he's a coach for the steelers and he comes over and grabs me and goes my boy you've grown up wow and i was like oh you remember we played it was really cool he was He was probably a charmer. Yeah, he was awesome. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, of course, he was one of the greatest defensive linemen in history, but it was pretty cool to play against him and then have him say that to me years later.

So, at least – I must have done – well, I did throw an interception for a touchdown to them for about 80 yards that night. But I think that's when I realized I could play. Yeah. Because practice and all that and down there it wasn't like a great statistical game or anything like my dad drove up from louisville kentucky with my mom and after the game he goes i don't know i'll just say he

goes boy i think that's the best i've ever seen you play and i didn't do anything really but i think he just was worried about my transition from college to the pros. How's it going to look? Yeah. And he's like, oh, it's okay. You can have it. He'll survive. Yeah. That's cool.

That was cool. You know, we came here because this is called Games with Names. Right. We're on the search for the best games of all time. Super Bowl XXI, which was the kickstart to the new york football giants yeah and the new york football giants success going forward you were a huge part of that some people say you had the best game in super bowl history for a quarterback but what was 1987 like what was it was 1987 i was one years old, so I can't remember.

I was also one. We were one. We were one. But you were in the heat of it. You were in the prime of your life. Well, I thought you were talking about the 87 season after the Super Bowl. No, it was like life. Like Mr. Sims just walking down, you know, Broadway,

starting quarterback of the New York football giants, you know hanging out with lt going golfing you know like what was it like it's nothing like you think it was nothing well i don't know it wasn't glamorous i mean i think that was when the fans kind of went all right we'll we'll let you hang around a few more years yeah you know it was tough you know I had a lot of tough years and um you know we had tough outings in a couple playoff games or years before that but for it to all come together and you know my god you were on many Super Bowl teams it just it's amazing how it just kind of rolls and all of a sudden you go wow we really got a chance big time to win all this yeah and I think we realized that late in that year, but we just, whenever the

plays had to be made or anything big, we always came through. And that's kind of, I know you know that sensation, but you get confident, you believe in everything. And I think the biggest thing too, I learned from Bill Parcells, many things, but when you're out there playing, don't ever think about winning and losing, just do it, man. pay attention to what you're doing and uh when i did that i usually played pretty well well you had you talk about going against a scary pittsburgh defense when you're young but i mean now you have this defense behind you like lt carl banks like these are dudes you don't want to go again well we were loaded yeah gosh i have thrown inter, which I wasn't afraid to throw them. And I would be walking off the field and Lawrence Taylor literally would go by.

Don't worry, we'll get it back for you in better position. And I go, okay. It would like really take the steam off of it. It was great. You know, I would feel, but it was kind of true. Yeah, man, we'd get turnovers. They would make plays. And even though we'd mess it up, we'd get good field position us another chance but our defense we played to it they were great and of course

you've said some of those names man we had a lot of good players of course you have to to win super bows there's actually talks about when you were coming out from morehead state that bill walsh came down yeah talk to you i remember you talking about something like that and that he was actually more interested in getting you than montana well you got joe montana he didn't get me in the first round he had this he had to do with joe montana in the third round yeah i feel bad for him yeah but it was one of the greatest experience it was a great experience him he came down twice yeah Yeah. And we threw. And so I did.

Back then, there wasn't what was a combine just for injuries. But every team wanted to see your workout. So I probably did at least 20 workouts that offseason. And Bill Walsh came down. Everybody wanted to see the same thing. Let it go. Just throw it. So, man, OK, I'll do it.

And I'd have like seven receivers out there and throw it as hard as i could throw it yeah bill walsh is there i start throwing i'm crushing the ball you know it's coming out of my hand i'm like man i am ripping it today he goes what are you doing and i go well what isn't this what you want to see because i don't want to no and then he went you know the bill walsh no i want you to be graceful. Try to be pretty. They actually said this. It's football. I know.

He goes, I want it to be great. Just let it relax and all this stuff. And so I kind of over it. He goes, softer. He's really going behind me going, softer. And I just kept, he goes, oh, that's it. The opposite of a woman. Oh, this guy's, oh, my God, this guy.

But I just going, who, what is going on? And then the workout's over the second time. He goes to me, all right, here we go. I'm going to draft you. I want you out there the next morning. We're going to work. And you're going to lead the NFL in passing. You're going to lead them in this.

You're going to lead them in touch. And I'm standing there and he goes, you know, I guess I got a look on my face. He goes, well, you don't believe me? I go, yeah, I believe you, coach. Then he starts naming off every quarterback he's ever had, won all the passing titles, which is true. And I was pretty excited about it. I go, oh, man, this will be great to play for him,

go to San Francisco and all that. But, well, we know it didn't work out. Yeah. But it worked out for both of you. Well, it worked out for Joe Montana, too. That's for sure. Joe was the perfect quarterback for him. He was the first quarterback that I used to watch and go, God, he is pretty.

Yeah. Great feet. And I'd watch film and see them playing. I'd go, oh, my gosh, he hits like 10 in a row every game. And I'm just going, it looks so easy for the 49ers because they were ahead of their time. They were running shoot almost. Yeah, it was just west coast offense.

As Bill Walsh would say, third and ten, if the guy five yards down the field is open, throw it to him. If he gets tackled, don't worry. We'll get a better player next year to break the tackle. Running catch. Yeah, it was really just keep throwing it, let them catch it, and let's see what happens. What's the best parcel story

you have that you have never told oh never i've told them all i i don't know you know he he was great not great many things of course he yelled at me a lot really yeah you ever yell back at him all the time he we were allowed to yell back yeah he would yell at me and it was all kind of orchestrated you know he knew he was going to do it sims you know and he would really like yell and sometimes they just keep going i go you know i could literally turn to him and go shut up holy christ all you do is you and he goes oh are you mad at me and you know and I tell people these stories, they don't believe it, but he was unbelievable that way. He yelled at you and then he would

allow you to yell back if you knew the situation was right. And everybody in the team would laugh because yeah, get them bill, you know? And, but it was his way of sending a message to the whole team through players. And he was great at that. He was the greatest manipulator of people I've ever been around in my life. But yeah, he would yell, Simps, come here during the game. Come here. I'd throw an interception and I'd go, oh yeah. I go, yeah. I just want to know, are you watching the same game I'm watching? I go, that's a good one. I just keep walking. But the things we said to each other during games you know i'm not proud of it at all i really am not but i never gotten arguments with him or all this stuff without always knowing he's the man yeah i knew i was talking to the guy that's running the organization and had a lot of power

and he scared me yeah what about a little bit what about like young Belichick? Well, oh my gosh, I could tell some stories about him, but whatever, you know, I remember I would stay late every night and some nights I'd stay really late. Cause I wanted to get all the work, you know, I was, I want to do all the work on Wednesday. Yeah. When I come in Thursday, I want it to be over now. I'm just whatever. And I would walk by the coach's room. It would be 9 o'clock at night. And there would be Bill Belichick with Al Groh riding their stationary bikes with rubber suits on, just sweating and ruining the machines. And they got a clicker. And they're talking.

I'd see them, and I'd go. And I'd just go, oh, those guys are crazy. But that was him. Wow. He did it 30 years later when I went in there nine o'clock on in an off season on the treadmill with his little sweat jacket that they cut oh you know they started all that at the giants it's so funny to hear there was a belichick story at this super bowl after you guys won it do you remember this he went on the field to really take it all in and then he tried to get back to the locker room and they wouldn't let him back in oh my gosh i haven't heard that it's crazy i'm right right that's you'll fact check that jack but i'm pretty

sure i'm right but even when he was with us they were calling him boy genius yeah and i don't know if they meant it in a complimentary way you know he just was so studious and worked so hard you know the players he gave them such great information and all that that they, oh, boy, genius. And Bill was, he really didn't change all of his years coming with up the New England and everything. He was still the same guy that coached our defense through all those years.

And he had Romeo Cornell there as well. Yeah, Romeo Cornell, Al Groh, Charlie Weiss. Shoot, who else we had um tom coughlin tommy cough i mean you know i look at some of our pictures team photos and go yeah that coach you might have had something to do with us winning i mean we had an all-star coaching staff which i think you always kind of need coughlin got no respect he really deserved he up until he won too that was a classic thing where like he was going to get fired the year he won the first one with the giants well yeah they were close in fact i think it came down to the last game of the year they

beat buffalo and buffalo got some breaks otherwise it could have been trouble i don't know but that's always a story out here i'm so fascinated with lt because he's just maybe the best ever on defense. Well, he was bigger than life. Yeah. You know, he was his rookie year. We had a scrimmage. They had to take him out after like 10 plays. Couldn't scrimmage.

Had to take him out. He was second quarterback every play. And I go, God, this guy's really everything they said he was. Yeah. But for real, I think he had six sacks and 10 plays. They said, get him out. We can't judge anybody. Is it true that he was sending prostitutes to the opposing team's hotel rooms to tire

them out for the next day? Well, I've heard all those stories. I didn't know that. I can't. Listen, I know it's the podcast and all this. I still can't tell you some of the Lawrence Taylor stories. But they're endless and they're hilarious. I've got to leave it at that. But he was a savant.

I heard stories that he would be sleeping through certain team meetings and then they'd wake him up and he'd know every play. Yes, that's true. Wow. That's all true. He was a great athlete. There was nothing we ever played that he wouldn't go to we play basketball you know he picks up golf became a one or two

handicap after you know nine he plays about 500 rounds of golf a year so but yeah he's he was really good at everything and there was nothing he couldn't do so lawrence you know we had a basketball go outside our locker room and i was shooting one day. He goes, Oh, come here. I can shoot, you know, better than anything. He goes, I said, I bet you can't make 10 in a row. Well, I'll bet you whatever you want. No, you know, making 10 in a row. It's tough. You can hit eight and just, Oh, you miss it. He goes, I double or nothing. Sure. I do. Let's double it one more time. I said, look, this is no funsies. I want to be paid when this is over. And he would just, we go in the stadium once. He goes, I can take this club and hit it out of the stadium. I said, no, you can't.

He goes, well, so of course we bet. We bet on everything. And he goes out there and swings, hits the ball. It's going around all the suites. And I'm like, and of course he didn't hit it out. Then he says to me me i'm throwing the ball once oh i can throw it in the second tier i said no you can't i mean that's a 70 yard throw up up and he goes i can't so he throws two or three and we're of course wagering and it just keeps going double or nothing i and i said again i went in he took his carried a lot of cash he takes it and throws it on the ground oh i'm so embarrassed i'll have to pick it up but yeah so there was nothing lawrence didn't think he could he could he could do and do it

really well so we took advantage of that opportunity the stories can could go forever oh they can go forever it's uh i wish i could tell i went on a golfing trip or down to south jersey to play with me him and jim burt and we're going to play with some officials down there and some giant officials and lawrence goes i said i'll drive lawrence goes no no i'm driving i go oh my god i don't want to let him drive first take a breathalyzer well no he was okay there so i I look at Jim Bird, who was our nose tackle. I said, I'm in the back. He goes, no, you're not.

You're in the front. I'm sitting in the back. You know, he's like, so we're flying down the turnpike. I'm sitting there. Oh, my God, slow down. We're doing like 90 to 100. A cop, a policeman pulls up besides us and goes on his microphone, slow down, you know, rah, rah, rah down, you know, and I think he recognized Lawrence.

And Lawrence goes, oh, got it. You know, the cop takes off, the policeman, I shouldn't say, whatever. And he gets whatever, Lawrence floors again. And it's Lawrence. Oh, he won't come back. And it just, and we, it was, I don't know what to say. The stories don't do justice. He's dipping.

He was dipping. And so he threw his dip out the window. He goes like this. And he throws it. And we hear ding, ding, ding. His ring came off and lost it out in the road. He lost his Super Bowl ring? No, it wasn't a Super Bowl ring.

It was a ring with lots of jewelry in it. Oh, okay. You know what I mean? Oh, my God. Oh, God. Well, let's get to the lead up of super bowl 21 nfc championship the wind bowl oh what was that like you playing joe gibbs and the washington redskins at the time yeah what's it like you dream of playing in the championship

game right yeah and i jog out in the field and i literally couldn't holly run into the wind it was so strong how and i go i finally get here and this is what I got to play in. What are we talking, like 30-mile-an-hour gusts? 42 miles an hour. 42 miles an hour. At game time, it was 42 miles an hour. Wow. And, you know, if you ever look at the game,

there's stuff blowing everywhere the whole game. And it was – I thought it was brutal. And the great thing – you know, coaches, it's never an accident. We win the toss. Or I can't remember. Yeah, we win the toss. We defended a goal. You know, who would think of that?

Bill goes, I want to get on. He didn't even say it. He goes, I just want to get on top first. We score first. We got them, you know. And the Washington Redskins at the time, they made a huge mistake. We kicked a field goal on our first drive. It was third and long.

We had a penalty, and we had to kick another long field goal. Joe Gibbs accepted it to take us out of field goal range, he thought. Well, the next play, I threw it down the middle for a huge gain, got a first down, and we drove down and scored. And literally, that was the game was over in the first quarter. Those games, people don't realize are like game changing in 2013 we played remember the cleveland game where we came back and build we uh in an overtime we or we elect or it was denver we elected to defend a certain goal because it had the wind to the back of it so you could get the field goal and everyone you know was shaking their head what's belichick doing this guy's an idiot

we ended up winning the game like that no one could throw into that side of the wind no and it's yeah it's it comes and it roots from you know the giants experience i bet because bill doesn't forget anything anything and parcells we were extremely, what's the word for it? Careful. If it was fourth and two inches, we punted. You know, today, I mean, it literally could be this much. Punt it. Yeah.

Let the defense get it. We'll get it back here, you know. But when you had that defense, too. Well, that had a lot to do. It was just a time of everything, too. But we ran fake field goals, flea flickers. We did everything. You did a flea flicker in the Super Bowl. Well we did everything a flea flicker in the super bowl well we did a flea flicker went forward on fourth you know and that play was extremely complicated

believe it or not when jeff rutledge runs a sneak we had seven plays he had to check into the right play and it could be it was they called it um oh what's it a wrap a hole a run a pass a hit on the enemy yeah that was what it was. And he had to pick which play. And it was a quarterback sneak because they didn't put a guy over the guard. Wow. But we gambled a lot. And I swear they, I can't remember when he made a gamble that we didn't make it.

So Bill had a great feel. Parcells had a great feel for when to do those. And a plan when to do those situational plays probably like they went into you know the game with that potential situation to happen they'd have three or four plays waiting for it yeah you gotta have a plan when you go on those i could hear him we're gonna be aggressive and i kind of knew that meant we're gonna really throw it and we're really gonna take chances which we normally didn't do yeah so yeah it was great i mean he did it in the super bowl the flea flicker the fourth down you know he was awesome at making those decisions

especially during big moments when people were getting tight so now you guys clearly played denver broncos elway and the broncos what about what did you when you guys did you guys play before them in the play them during the regular season no in the championship weekend did you guys play before them? Played them during the regular season. No, in the championship weekend. Did you guys play? We were second. You were second. So you knew the drive happened. You knew that they beat the Browns,

and you knew going into the wind bowl that you were going to play the potential Broncos. Yeah, we were in the locker room going out to play the game. That game was still going on at the very end he was starting to drive yeah and i remember looking up there and going i you know i knew denver we played them during the season i'd played cleveland the two years before that twice and i go god i hope denver wins because cleveland's defense was a big pain in the you know what yeah so i didn't know until we got out in the field

and we're i think we were just kind of warming up and getting ready to kick off the coin toss all that and i heard denver won and i remember just going good we match up better against denver that's all i remember thinking about that okay okay so then super bowl week comes you guys have a bye week you had you had the extra week we had the week in between yeah so we got three days off which was really uncommon uncommon and then we came down and practiced on thursday and it was a little shaky and it was it was more than shaky i it was just i just remember getting destroyed yeah parcels was ah sam's i'll never give you any days over you know it was and i it was. It was too many days off,

you think? We're practicing against our defense. It sounds like we're going to go out there and tear it up every day. Yeah. But I just remember how he was, I couldn't, here I'm getting ready to go to the Super Bowl a couple of days later, and all I could do is I was nervous as heck because I know the practice was bad and he was brutal. Nothing changes. He lived it all. Practice was the most important thing of our life, and this is the most important day.

And if it's not perfect, and it was. You walk into the building at 8 o'clock in the morning, or I'd get there about 730 for my first 8 o'clock meeting, and I would get nervous worrying about practice. Damn. Yeah. Parcells. eight o'clock meeting and i would get nervous worrying about practice damn yes parcels sims how many bashes you complete yesterday in practice did he ever give you like positive encouragement to like you know sometimes yeah privately you know shims i'm imitating him he goes i'm really proud of you son you're doing well you're leading the team you're

just i'm just proud of you just want you to know today on the practice field i'm gonna tear into you around i go what can't we wait till we get he goes oh come on i gotta get i gotta teach these other well i can say it yeah he goes these other assholes gotta see something i gotta get through to them so i'm gonna yell at you and true form, no matter how practice is going, if I do an incompletion, he'd throw his papers up in the air and go through these antics and just start ripping me. And I have to stand there like this and take it. And all the teams laugh. Yeah, get him, Bill. He's an ass. That's such a great abusive relationship that in private, he's like, I love you, son. And then the second you're out there, he's like, you're garbage. Oh, oh well he's yelling at the offensive line one day just crushing him and i'm standing behind him

going get him because i was getting hit way too much in the games and he goes good and then of course he gets done yelling he turns around and goes and it's your fault and i go of course it's my fault i'm effing sims i was never you know he called me effing Sims. I'm just fucking Sims? Yeah, absolutely. Fucking Sims, you're killing me. But he would blame me and I go, well, what did I do? He goes, well, now you're their buddy. Take them out to dinner, Sims.

Buy them some more presents. How's that working out for you back there, huh? Is it working out? You used to be their leader. They were afraid of you. And I just, okay, okay. Is that the line you have to walk? I thought you're supposed to take the line at the dinner.

Well, yeah, but he was mad at them. He thought I was soft on them because, you know, they were my friends. But I got in a car that night, which I did many times. I'm driving home, and I go, hot damn, he's right. He's right. You know, it's like a coach and players there's a line yeah and you know the quarterback has a chance to influence people and especially now i was here we are sitting here and you know i saw tom brady yelling his lineman

i mean i gotta admit i did that a lot but i only yelled at one of them i would yell at the center and i would just crush him yeah well it's, it's not my guy. I said, I, you don't get the point. I don't care. Chain of command. Fix it. Chain of command.

Center. Center is the leader of the line. Yeah. And you know, Bart Oates was a great center for me. He'd go, after I'd yell at him, and I don't know why sometimes they didn't punch me out,

you know, because they're all twice the size of me. And Bart Oates would always go, okay, okay, I'll get, I'll get straight. I'll get straight.

You know, so it was great. That's, that's respect though. Cause they understood that you were the first one in the last one out you know you worked your ass off you got fucking yelled at by everyone and guys see that you know and how you dealt with it is a huge that's a huge part of your leadership and and that's why you were probably one of the toughest competitors ever playing this game well that's nice of you to say. I don't know about that.

I love playing. I love talking about it. I love practice. I mean, I love practice. Yeah. You know. Yeah, of course you love it. You don't have to do any.

Well, I don't know. You're not going to listen to these coaches. You didn't look forward to it, but you still loved it. No, I didn't care. I mean, I love practice. Yeah, I did. It was so much fun. Not fun, but just learning and doing it and everything.

He's a football player. Yeah. I mean, it was nothing like going out and having a good practice. Oh, great. We're going to get better tomorrow. I mean, it was great. And you were at a team where you're like, I mean, you're 14-2 this year, I believe. Yeah, we were 14-2.

Broncos are 11-5. You are favored to win. They were 11-5? Yeah. Oh, they must have. Because we played them during the season that year. We were both, I think, 10-2. Really?

I think, or something like that. We were both the same. We had the same records. Interesting. Yeah, we both went in a bunch of close games. Sheesh. I might be wrong. I don't.

Well, anyway, you're in Pasadena. I heard the weather in the first half was an issue for you guys. Well, not for me. Not for you. It was warm. But when you play, you know, playoff games of 40-mile-an-hour winds. Right. And the other one was freezing.

And we played in so many bad weather games. Then we went to California. I think I was more excited at the fact that we were just playing in California. Son. Just warm weather, not gripping that football, which we couldn't rub up like they do now. The footballs were an issue. But it was so warm, it made it better for me.

The weather's better in California, but the people are better here. Is that it? New York City, that's what I say. Okay. Weather's good. Weather's a big part of the quality of life. But throwing a football, that was the whole difference to me it just it was amazing i was in a great mood because i was like wow this weather who couldn't play out here this right here phil

sims thinks joe montana only had the stats he had because he played in california great weather if he played in new york he would not have been able to do it oh well i'm not of course i'm not saying that that's always a new york identity of the teams that win they always have a great defense i feel like well you almost have to because the wind the wind i mean you know unless you're josh allen playing in today's game oh it's 30 mile an hour winds oh okay zinging it i'll just put a little more heat on it. It's a lot of good football right now. Yeah, there really is. He's incredible.

Let's get into the game. So it was kind of a slow first half, but to come out on your first possession in the biggest game of your life, get seven, what's that do with the confidence? Well, it was great. I think it lifted the whole team. We were down, of course, as as we know 10 to 9 and a half and people go what went on in your locker room at halftime i don't know we were relaxed and you know bill parcells never yelled really except i can

only remember one game where he came in half and he was didn't yell at us he was like come on when we're gonna end this crap you know whatever but it wasn't a big us. He was like, come on. When are we going to end this crap? You know, whatever. But it wasn't a big speech. Basically, it was this. He came, all right, men. But he did say, we can't play any worse. And we got 30 minutes. And that was it.

That was always his pregame speeches. All right, we worked hard all week, you guys. We got 60 minutes. Let's go get it done. It wasn't this rah-rah. I mean, what are you going to do? Rah-rah. I don't want to hear that either. Yeah, that's like movie shit. Let's go get it done. It wasn't this rah-rah. I mean, what are you going to do? Rah-rah. I don't want to hear that either.

Yeah, that's like movie shit. That's not real life. What do they say, Jules? When you get that emotional speech, you run out there. It's all over after the first play. The hug on. Then you got to play. Yeah.

The emotion and all. But you do think of Al Pacino on any given Sunday. Oh, yeah. It's a pretty cool speech. Well, they were trying to copy the big R guy a little bit. But I just go, he never gave a speech like that. His speeches, you probably got the same thing. Wednesday morning is when you have the address to the crew. And it was long.

He can make it 20 minutes to 30 minutes. And it was, here's what we're going to do this week. We're going to throw it against that guy, Sims. We're throwing it to him every chance we get over here at this corner. And we're going to do this and that. And he'd give the State of the Union address. And that was our weekly, what we did for the rest of the week. Keys.

Keys. And they were big. The head coach gives his keys and you break up into offense and defense. The coordinators will give their keys based off of what they think. But every Wednesday when they're installing, the head coach gets up in front of the whole team. It was great. It was awesome.

I used to write them down. Yeah, me too. Because he would give a good speech. When we were playing the 49ers back in 86 on a Monday night game, he comes in and gives that speech and he goes, Hey, now fellas, fellas. He loved talking to you defensive backs. That Jerry Rice is a different dude. He's different. He's going to you defensive backs that jerry rice is a different dude he's

different he's gonna run really fast that first play i'm just telling you the last play of the game is still running that fast so you better be you know yeah i'd hear that and go wow okay jerry rice is really special oh yeah when you cross pollinate with offense and defense in the same room hearing guys get coached it it holds an accountability for each side of the ball when you hear you know the offensive guy getting yelled at the defensive guy walks by him in the cafeteria and say hey i heard you didn't get that a gap you know what i mean like so it's it that's that's a coaching ability that's a coaching behavior that you know i got a lot of because you know belichick was under Parcells

and they probably, you know, he probably stole or not stole. That was influenced. Absolutely. Sure. He had to be. I mean, I saw Bill Belichick change through the years. He was there in 79 and he took a head job in 1991. Right. Yeah. And Cleveland, I think that's, was that right? Cleveland. Yeah. So he, so he was was there 12 years under Bill Parcells. So of course you're going to learn a lot and imitate a lot of that. And that was, you know, Parcells, that was his thing. He could connect with the player. Oh.

You know, he knew how to get the best out of his player. Like he probably did this, that, that to Phil and phil the way he treated him because that's what fires up phil phil likes to be pissed off he plays well pissed off i don't know you know what i mean and that's and that's what you know parcells tried to do i saw a lot of that stuff too you know from from belichick with certain people you know it's just they do whatever it takes to push the button oh to get the best out of you. Pushing buttons. It was great. Yeah.

So you trade some. But Bill, here's what Parcells would do. I watched him during the week. He would walk around the locker room and get a guy and go, all right, now listen, here's what I need from you this week. You've got to come on in. And he would work the room like he had a restaurant. He would hit everybody individually just for 30 seconds and maybe say something, you know,

now you got to play better. I don't want to take your ass out, you know, or what, but he was very, if you want honesty, he was honest. Well, he's looking at every piece of the machine to make sure it, I mean, it's the big blue wrecking crew. Every, every piece has got, but he worked everybody. It was a, it was a, an unbelievable thing. It's a, it's a, it's the best skill I think a coach can have. Absolutely. But he worked everybody. It was an unbelievable thing.

It's the best skill I think a coach can have. Absolutely. It's to be able to do this to players, to be tough on them, and still, what's the word, not alienate them. No. And all that. They just knew this is what it is, and he's doing. You want honesty?

I'll push you. I just want you to be honest. Do you really? Do you really want them? Yeah. Bill was honest. I saw him do this. I hate to tell these stories we're in training camp and we're doing an inside run thing and we have a guard i'm not gonna say his game he goes i'll call him billy billy i got the plane ticket in my drawer don't make me give it to you come on i gotta see it come on i got the damn plane ticket in the drawer and i just go wow that was really like that was rough yeah he just and

he would give the guy two or three days and almost always one morning we show where's so and so oh they let him go but he would warn him if you don't pick it up oh no he never bluffed wow but i heard him do that quite a few times yeah but he was warning the guy you know that if you don't practice better then it's just not going to work here the plane ticket in the drawer yeah i got them i mean i it like a. My ex-girlfriend did the same thing to me. Did she? No. I mean, it's on the phone now, so it's, you know. It's different. She booked a flight.

We taught Phil today at Inside the NFL thirst trapping and DMing. Really? Yeah, yeah. So we're getting his terminology. Well, I knew DM, direct messaging. What is thirst trapping? You know, like, I mean, come on. What the hell is that

it's it's for thirsty people that try to trap people it's like you put a sexy photo up there hoping it'll it'll get attention oh is that what okay now that makes better sense i mean i don't know yeah people get trapped with that i don't i still don't quite get so much trapping going on right now is there there is and then there's like the horny comment people who like are a little too engaging you know whether they'll write comments like looking great yeah and you're like that's what's the other thing y'all were doing today you look what what is it oh drip drip check yeah drip i mean and we gave him drip check yeah i mean people say you gotta get started i don't need to learn crap i don't want to be. I don't need to learn crap. I don't want to be hip. It's over.

I want to act my age. I'm going to act my age. I'm not trying to be cool. I don't want to be hip and whatever. You know what the crazy thing about that is? That's hip. That's hip. Not caring is hip. The fact that you don't want to be hip is hip.

As I say, there's nothing worse than looking at an old guy trying to act young. Yeah. I mean, I want to say to him, it ain't working. Yeah. Stop it. Is this about my sneakers? Well, you're not old. No, I know.

Sneakers, those are Knicks. You got the Knick colors? I'm wearing them. The season's starting. I got to get the good vibe. Yeah, okay. That'll really help. What the hell?

You're a New York legend. You got to be behind us. us hey i like all the new york teams i root for them man when we were playing during the height of our you know giant thing the knicks were hell we could have taken four of those guys and started them on our football man anthony mason would he could have played alongside lt all oakley all of oakley john starks i mean come on they wanted to fight they didn't want to play hoops. I loved it. But it was great. I even made a comment once. Somebody said something. I said, man, if we ever get as tough as the Knicks,

nobody will beat us. Yeah? Pat Riley at the time, I think, was coaching. Legend. Oh, my God. Should I tell you a Pat Riley story? Please. So my first year in TV, NBC wants me to be a sideline reporter in basketball just to get, just to do something. And I was like, Oh my God. So I'm doing it. And I got a Nick game the first.

So I'm like, Hannah storm is showing me how it works. I said, okay, I think I got it. I got to do a couple of reports and all that stuff. And Pat Riley goes, Hey, you know, more head boy. Hey, you know, Kentuckyucky you know because he played in kentucky and he goes okay everything good i said yeah he goes listen this and that he goes i just want to tell you one thing don't you think about sticking your head in my huddle and i mean he said it with vinegar yeah and i just went don't worry i won't i mean damn yeah he goes don't you know that's pat riley he's talking in a private group he didn't want anybody talking about what he says or hearing it

and he's a big dude too you ever met him i never met oh pat rise well he played he was yeah i mean he's six four six five i mean big old guy holy christ he's slicked hair oh yeah he had the look armani suits. Armani. He scared me. I didn't even get close to their huddle. I stayed as far away from them as – I mean, NBA games. Oh, Joe.

It's just nothing. I'd be on the court before the game shooting threes with Charles Barkley. Wow. Can you imagine somebody coming out in the field before the game? No. No. It doesn't happen it was incredible and then i would do reports they put me on the foul line during the timeout the timeout's

over all the players are standing around me like this looking at me and i'm going should i get off the court or they go no just do your report and then they didn't care we'll just hold the game until you're done and then we'll start the game again you know basketball is a different breed well you know they play 82 of those games i don't think they get too serious about a lot of times but yeah the fact that i was shooting on the court before the game nobody said a word to me with charles barkley that should i don't even tell you what we were gambling with but it wasn't uh we weren't playing for pennies let's put it that way what about uh so this game the the turning point in this game there's a goal line stop yeah a couple yeah three straight stops i think banks

made the last tackle lt made the first thing it was a huge stop you guys get the ball back as lt always sell get you the ball back yeah and that's when you started just whipping it five straight consecutive touchdown drives were you 23 for like you i think you had 300 completions 3 22 or 25 that's insane but we were a super bowl well yeah you know listen when you're playing i don't know were you in the zone i didn't think about anything just thinking of the play and i always go you know many times if you can do that you're generally gonna not be unhappy with yourself when it's over but i didn't do that near enough you know it was just always oh i threw an interception i gotta be careful and then the days i played well i throw an interception you know if

it happened and i'd everybody oh don't worry about that i said i'm not worried about it you hey get ready to tackle i'm gonna throw it we might throw six today. And when I had that attitude, I played really, really well. But, you know, that's circumstances. I didn't always have that attitude. But in that Super Bowl in the second half, I think we, John Elway, went three and out three or four straight times. So the time we scored, I'd go sit on the sideline. We had the ball back.

Was it crazy to see a guy that talented who could scramble, could throw the ball, just kind of getting dominated in that second half? Yeah, I mean, I guess, you know, when you're a player, you never look at the other guy and say he's great. But you knew he was great. I don't know. You know, somebody said to me, Edwin Pope of the Miami Herald.

I actually just sat down and a reporter sat around me. Can you imagine that in the Super Bowl now? And Edwin Pope goes, what would you have done if John Elway to come to Moorhead State? You know, I was much older than John. I said, well, he'd have sat behind me until I graduated. And I thought, oh yeah, that would be headlines and papers. And it was just another line in an article he wrote later you know so i was feeling good but then i retired not retired whatever my career was over i was doing a game in denver early the first year i did broadcasting and i was standing behind their huddle watching the practice i go it's freaking hell ways pretty good i was like holy christ uh but it was cool

john's it was a great dude um and we of course knew each other really well as the years went through and everything uh but it was good competitive nah fuck that he ain't better than me well come on you know how exactly i mean me and joe montana literally i i don't mean to i don't want to dramatize it or whatever but we didn't like each other no and it was my fault because i'm a jerk you know i can of course on the field i could really be a jerk and i said some things but it got to like this is crazy like we'd score i'd look at him and go, what do you think of that? You know, I'd make gestures. And then he got into it. He'd throw something and score against us.

And he'd be looking at me. And I'd just go, I deserve it. And then one day, I don't know how it happened or what. I can't remember if it was in the tunnel at Giant Stadium. Or maybe it was after a game in San Francisco. And his wife, I jennifer jennifer jennifer yeah and i said something she goes oh let me go get joe and and i was like oh good maybe we can get over this now you know whatever you know it just hit me in my head you know how i

always tell you my dogs were dwight montana yeah if walsh would have got you. My dogs could have been Dwight and Sims. Mr. Sims. Well, that could have been true, but it also means that it could have been that nobody had known Bill Walsh and I when it was over. Nah. I don't know.

Yeah, it was pretty, listen. Are you in Montana good though now? Oh, yeah, we're great. I mean, I've done appearances with him and I kind of do the talking and ask him questions and joe tells of course he's got unbelievable stories and all that but yeah we're really i'll say this he has a son nick nick came up in the summers one year to throw with me now how's that that's pretty cool no but i'm just saying his father was joe montana yeah and he was

coming up to throw with me so and chris collinsworth goes wait let me hold on this is strange you're gonna throw because joe was on a show on inside the nfl with us and he was talking about his son and i said i what do you want me to do when you why haven't you sent him to me yet because he sent you know he with all these quarterback gurus because Joe didn't want to do it. And Joe goes, okay, I'm going to send him up. I think he stayed in my house too. Now, how was Joe on Inside the NFL?

He was just a guest. He was always good. He would tell great stories. You know, I'd ask him, I heard this. Is that true? And he would, yes, that's true. Some of the, what were the questions we asked him? Steve Young, Joe Montana, the Bill Walsh stuff.

He would tell me some of that stuff. Wow, those are rough situations. He didn't like them? No, he didn't. I can't really remember what he said. But when they won the Super Bowl, what, the 88 season? They were shuffling, going back and forth, and they finally made a decision, right? Yeah.

And stayed with Joe, and he was on fire. He threw the ball awesome at the end of that year. Was that the year? Was he in Chicago in 88? Yeah. They played the Bears in Chicago? Yeah. It was the best game I ever saw him throw the football.

And that's saying a lot. But the weather, cold, it was really best game i ever saw him throw the football and that's saying a lot but the weather cold it was really windy and he was throwing and i said wow joe was he was on fire of course and i think that was the year he went down to new orleans to play denver oh yeah yeah and just smoked him smoked him that would have been 89 probably i can't remember 89 because then 90 he got hurt where you Well, he won in 88 and 89. And in 90 you guys hurt him. Yeah. When did he go to Kansas City?

93 or 92. I'll tell you. 92. 93. Three. 93. I'm positive. Because he was there and I was with Dan Reeves that year. And my career ended after that year.

And Joe played another year in kansas city but um yeah so i'm right i remember that part about it he played of course he played great in kansas city too yeah you guys got hit so damn hard you guys couldn't last well that was uh i was hurt in the game he got hit in 90 so i was in the locker room kind of watching it on tv and going on the sidelines because i was on crutches and i think yeah pat summerall when joe got hit as he rolled to the right and looking leonard marshall had a 15 yard running start at him and the next series started and pat summerall goes the injury report from the bench is joe montana has overall ache that was it he just hurt overall ache oh god it was maybe the worst hit i ever saw a quarterback

take oh i mean you remember it right i remember it looked like he broke him yeah it looked like he broke his back yeah he hit him so hard he did he broke his back he did that's what it was he broke his back wow oh well back to super bowl 21 this was a game for so many firsts you were the first to say i'm going to disneyland and then what's up with this disney world too you covered your baby did both yeah they made me do both yeah disneyland disney world and then you it was the first gatorade shower and but i read that you guys were doing this. We did it all year. Or not all year.

I don't know really how it started. I need to ask the culprits. But I think they did it over Parcells. It wasn't because we're celebrating because he was in one of those moods that week, like really bad. Yeah. And it was intolerable. And so one of the players you know he was on fire you

got to cool him off and they just basically said that's for what you know yeah i don't want to overdo it or but that's because you were a jerk all week and i'm cleaning it all up i bet but see how about that you could say that to him and allow it to happen, and Bill just shrug it off, and then it became part of every game we won. It became, when's Bill going to get doused with Gatorade? And wasn't Bon Jovi on the sideline a bunch? He was at Praxis' lot, yeah.

I heard he was like the good luck charm. Is that what they said? Yeah, it could be. Of course, I would be practicing and see, oh, there's Jon Bon Jovi over there. And he was friends with Belichick. Yeah. But they would always let him out. He watched a lot of practices.

I'm sure you saw him probably more than I did. We saw him a lot, too, in New England. Yeah. I remember James Taylor singing the national anthem at the Super Bowl, coming off the field. And he's a big Giant fan. And he sees Bill. And he hits my parcels. Yeah away get away from me wow no he didn't say it okay okay that's enough i am i didn't like people touching me i didn't like talking to celebrity i i talked to one celebrity

before a game john mackinrow right it was before a tennessee titans game with tom's last game we lost that i'll never talk to another one like i hated talk i wanted to be like you said in the zone you got to be focused on what you have to focus on yeah i did i did a benefit from mackinrow once and uh in the front row uh it's like this awful crowd they're just talking my entire set every comic's bombing and i just see this one lady one i'm like lady shut up and mackinac was like yes mackinac was applauding me just pushing people it's funny yeah on the my agent was good friends with billy crystal and rob reiner and of course they lived in la well not of course but they did and he says do you want to have dinner with him on friday night i said you know

friday night i would because i like friday night it's over and it'll be a good time to relax a little. I love to do it. Well, we go to dinner, McConkie, me, uh, Rob Reiner didn't make it Billy Crystal's there. So we have a great dinner and it's nice. We're laughing about a lot of stuff. And finally, Billy Crystal, who's a great New York sports fan. He turns to me real serious. So what do you think? And I go, well So what do you think? And I go, well, what do you mean what I think? Well, I think we're going to win, you know, whatever. He goes, oh.

And I said, well, let me tell you what we're going to do. I said on the first play, we're going to run a play action. I'm going to throw it the line of manual with the middle. The second play, we're doing this. The third play, we're doing that. And we get near the goal line. Here's what we're doing. He's going, really?

I said, this is all true. Because what are you going to do? You can't. I'm not worried about what he's going to tell anybody. So he's in the stands. We get the ball. And he goes, he's going to throw a play-action pass to Lionel Manning. They go, shut up, Billy. You don't know nothing.

And it happens. They go, what's he doing next? And he told a story, I think, on Johnny Carson that everybody kept going, what do you think, Billy? The whole game. He's, well, you know. But I told him as much as i could and just he could retain but i told him that first series and those plays

really came off one two all the way just like we hoped they would wow yeah i know he was he was great new york sports fan but he's a clippers fan is he a clipper fan he's i think he's yankees giants but he's a clippers fan yeah i know he's akees, Giants, but he's a Clippers fan. Yeah, I know. He's a huge Yankee fan. He was a really good baseball player. Was he? Yes, really good. Shortstop. I think he went to West Virginia and played baseball,

and then he decided maybe acting might be a, or whatever, being a comic. He did 61. I mean, that was a good movie. Yeah. About Marison Mantle. Yeah. Well, the best Broadway play i ever saw was his

uh 700 sundays is that what it was does anybody know whatever the name was it was just him reliving his life with his father growing up the music world and all this oh my gosh i gotta check it out it was so funny no this has been years ago, but he did it in LA. He did it on TV. I think he's doing another one now, something different. But I laughed so much. There was four of us. I had a family friend, my youngest son, and another guy. One of my nephews was there.

We laughed so hard that a couple of times, here's the stage. He's talking. I had to turn around. I said, I can't listen. I'm exhausted from laughing. It was truly that funny. couple times here's the stage he's talking i had to turn around i said i can't listen i'm i'm exhausted from laughing it was it was truly that funny it was it was awesome jeez so uh you know super bowl mvp did you get some sort of car i got a subaru yeah you got a subaru a subaru yes they They had Subarus in 87? Yeah, I guess so, because they gave me one.

Is it good? You still got it? I do. What do you do? You use it? It's just sitting down in Kentucky. But I go to New York to get the car. The city, they have a luncheon.

And they go, OK, here it is. Get in it for us. I'm like, it's small. It was really, OK, here I am. How am how do i look no but it was great who cares what the car was it's what it stood for exactly we never we never got a car i never got i just got a trophy you didn't get a car no car super mvp yeah no they stopped it wow they were giving away escalade escalades cadillacs gm products didn't get it didn't get anything they give it you were you a pro ball mvp too no i think they give away cars don't they yeah they used i don't know i don't know i didn't go i didn't know i don't know well i the one i played in i was in fortunately

the mvp and john robinson was the coach and after they named the mvp goes do you get a car i said i don't know do i that'll be awesome you know i got a trophy about this big i got a cool trophy they gave a yeah they give you like the like the whatever the uh silver football the silver yeah yeah it's beautiful actually was it tiffany's my mom it's at my mom's house oh it is yeah i was disappointed in trophy too no car no trophy holy christ just lucky to get out of the game no one you know and i remember when it was over i said i'm never coming back i said i'm not doing this again this was torture is there anything we missed about this game about the game no i don't i don't know what to say about it was you know when i i've watched the game probably

two or three times and i just couldn't get over how fast it went by in other words it seems long or whatever i don't know what i was thinking then i watched the game i go wow that game went quick and wow we could have lost it like seven different times. You know, that's what really kind of gets me. And you look back, oh my God, we stopped Elway. Oh, he missed a field goal. You know, you just start thinking of all the breaks that kind of go your way or you create. And I think that was the biggest thing when I see it. Oh my God, who was Ricky Hundley, their middle linebacker. You know, I watched the game once and I just went, oh my God, he was a superstar. He made every tackle.

I mean, he, and he was pissed off too. The whole game, get up, he kicked people, you know, oh, I'm sorry. But I mean, he was unbelievable how, but I would have never known that unless I sat down and watched the game again. You know, some of the guys that played so great, Carl Banks was – That whole postseason he was killing. Oh, my God. He was the MVP really the whole postseason.

In fact, John Madden even said, everybody talks about Lawrence Taylor right now, the best linebacker in the NFL is Carl Banks. Wow. He said it on the air, which is a big thing for – and John Madden loved Lawrence. So for him to say that tells you how great Carl Banks was during that postseason. Well, Mr. Sims.

I do like your shirt. Yeah, I wore this to make you comfortable. Yeah, well, I'm sweating like I. It's hot in here. It is hot. It's hot. You know, when you get older, you sweat a lot. Do you know that?

I don't. You'll see. It's things to look forward to. It's heat you're always hot always tired because you can't sleep as well i mean everybody oh yeah but you can't look forward to the having a vodka cocktail with the wife and cooking you can look forward to those things i do it's a simple it's a simple thing you know we're empty nesters you know of course my kids are all old.

I got grandkids. And they go, how's it in this empty nest? You miss the kids? No. It's awesome. We got the house to ourselves. I don't have to worry about it. We don't have to make dinner for these every night.

And it's great. It's great. From the man, the myth, the legend of New York football giants. The New York football giants, Phil Simms. Yeah, no, let me finish up with this. I got to say, nobody in history has sucked the life out of one game more than me and Joe Namath. Come on.

I'm here because of that game, not my career. I mean, everything I do, it's just because of that game. It really is well you you showed up when it mattered most well big players make big plays in big games mr sims and that's exactly what you did for a long time tough football player we appreciate you coming on i can't wait you have a podcast you have what do you have no i just go on everybody's podcasts no i don't want to do the podcast king i if people call me i said yeah can you wait till next week i got two other ones this week yeah i'll do them you know i know all the people and it's fun you're good at it well

i don't know if i'm good at it but i don't want to do one all right you know i'm looking not that i'm scaling back because i if i work till i, I always say, if I worked on 90, I'll break even. Yeah. So why, why is that? Well, because I'm a money shredder. Yeah. Oh, you're what? The money shredder, my wife, my wife goes shopping. I love it. I don't care. She said, she'll tell you the story. She'll go shopping. She shows, I said, I love them. Let me see the bill. I go, Diana, this dress you know what cost so-and-so and you know what her answer is you know that's ridiculous

i mean this has been going on i made the mistake in 1983 no wait my daughter was born in um 84 so maybe it was 87 or whatever my daughter's young i said you know diana i don't care what you and deirdre you can buy all the clothes you want doesn't mean anything because clothes were cheap then yeah well now here we are what 30 some years later and it's still going on and uh it those clothes are not cheap anymore so well from the man who's married to the money shredder money shredder she's proud of it women shopping man oh shoot it's true look thanks for having me on get out of here thanks for having us all right come on spend the time anytime unbelievable stories you ever need anything all right games with names gotcha all right man you're the best you're the best good stuff man

he was great he was good good. Yeah. Really good. I mean, he's a professional. And he's your buddy. I mean, it's cool. He's your coworker. Yeah, he's a... He's a New York legend. I told a good friend of mine who's also a native New Yorker,

my friend Matt Salicus, who directed one of my specials, and he goes, Phil Simil sims i said yeah he goes that's a fucking legend he is tough competitor yeah great stories uh he's just tough you know and the giants defense that's crazy that he has all his intel i mean it probably made him a better quarterback every day going against him. And just to hear that these teams went live on Super Bowl week with a scrimmage. That's crazy. I mean, don't you think that is part of what made Tom so great?

Is that some of those Patriots. We didn't go live. I know, but you were going against. He went against the defense. Definitely. Definitely going against he went against the defense definitely definitely going against defense but i'm just saying the brutality of what the game was when mr sims was playing like he didn't even he doesn't even remember getting a personal foul on him like roughing the quarterback i mean we mean, we're seeing guys sneeze on quarterbacks,

fart on quarterbacks, and they're getting 15-yarders and a fine. Like, it's ridiculous. It's crazy. I mean, you watch some of these highlights. I think there's a highlight of him picking up his teeth because he was getting... Are you serious?

These quarterbacks used to... By the way, farting on a quarterback would be the best celebration dance ever. After a sack, just lifting up a leg that's a that's a badass celebration or just piss on them like a fire hydrant yeah just fake fake like a zipping down yeah that's a good one let's settle the prop bet did we do it did we get it We must have done it. I had five. Damn. We have five? We got to review the tape. I'm getting a lot of conflicting messages here,

but I got five. Damn. I'm sorry, guys. There's no reason to be sorry. But we'll take it, Jackie. What's the legacy for this game? I think it's Big Blue W, big blue wrecking crew. This set up who the Giants franchise wanted to be until now, honestly.

Whenever the Giants win, it's because of the defense. We've had killer quarterbacks who rise to the occasion. You know, Sims, Eli. But, like, let's be real. You make it this far in the playoffs with a great defense. Compliment complementary football teams yeah you know defense got teams that know how to play with each other uh you know and and you know just with with parcels and how he was trying to push buttons to get the best out of

his players that'll always stick out from just hearing the stories from sims mr sims performance in the super bowl 88 completion percentage getting the super bowl mvp you know five consecutive drives with touchdowns at the end of the game that's i mean that's that's that's a super bowl yeah um this was that was a they were losing at halftime and blow them out That's adjustment That's players making big plays In big situations And great coaches giving great information So that was pretty cool

Also Belichick's first taste of a Super Bowl Yeah As an assistant Then he got carried off We didn't ask him that So what's the lasting image for this? I mean it's pretty crazy that this was the first time they ever said we're going to disneyland because that's all you think about when you were a kid when you went playing in the backyard with your boys having an imaginary game or whatever like you always dreamed about saying

i'm going disney world i'm going disneyland it was wholesome it was wholesome it wasn't like i'm going to the titty bar it's like i'm going to disney and the kids were like oh okay yeah you know i'm going to disneyland that and the gatorade splash the gatorade splash is an ep on parcells who's this iconic coach and all because they didn't they were mad at him during the week i remember he said he started they started because he was an asshole all week you don't realize that's an aggressive move like you think that's like we love you coach but it's like fuck you here's your gatorade it's so funny to see the reactions of these coaches when they get hit with the cold it's so funny there's not

you because it's the greatest moment but you're just just sticky. Isn't that weird? You're just like, I'm just covered in, you know, sugar. Yeah, but in defense of like what nutritionists could say, if they're thirsty with all the amount of energy output that they, even coaches do, just standing out there, maybe just give a little lick. Get a lick. Get a little sugar. But also, dude, you're in Pasadena. He's getting eaten up by mosquitoes after that.

No, there's no mosquitoes in California. That's humidity. That's humidity? That's humidity. Something, some flies are up. Nothing? I've been to California. There are flies out there.

It's debatable. Jack, get on that. We got to. I'm just saying there's no humidity. There's no bugs. How about, I got another lasting image for you. Bavaro in the end zone and the shot above him, 16 to 10 giants. Because that's the touchdown where they started to never look back yeah that's pretty badass

that was a physicality to lasting image that's just a physical team physical on offense you you could just tell mr sims just a tough guy defense we don't have to talk about that have we had just no lt banks the the badass jack what did we forget we got a couple things here today uh phil mentioned billy crystal baseball talk billy crystal actually went to marshall on a baseball scholarship but the program got suspended before he could play a game, transferred back to NYU. The rest is history. Rumor even has it he was classmates with Oliver Stone and Christopher Guest.

So those are some good- Well, yeah, you go to NYU, you're giving up on sports. Yeah. It's over. It ain't Marshall. You don't say, we are NYU. It's done. We are.

What, anything else? The violence over there in NYU. We talked about Dan Marino setting the passing record or passing attempts record at 623 that season. It's been blown out of the water, just to put it in context. Brady had 719 passing attempts last season. And that's not even first matthew stafford in 2012 727 extra game yeah extra game and they just throw the

ball all day we uh we also talked about the wind uh in the wind bowl and the equated it to bill taking the wind in a 2013 game against the Broncos. 24-0 comeback. Patriots end up winning in overtime. Bill takes the wind. Jules finished with nine catches, 110 yards, two TDs. Too tutty. Not a bad day.

Against the wind. Great Bob Seger song. Guess we're running against the wind. Against the wind. Love Bob Seger. Seger rules. Turn the wind Love Bob Seger Turn the page buddy That's the road song It's perfect Alright we got two more Dr. Pepper

I know we got a packed one today The prune juice rumor Has nagged Dr. Pepper since the 1930s It's a unique blend Of natural and artificial flavors. No prune juice. But it is a rumor. It is a rumor.

It is persistent. How rumors get started. That's like the Richard Gere gerbil in the ass. It's probably not true, but it must really hurt him. You know? There's got to be some truth. Who knows? I mean, it's got to come from somewhere.

I know. But if that's not true, that's got to stink. How many years ago was that? I don't know. Because the gerbil thing was like a hot topic for a second it had to be post pretty woman he's not landing a romantic comedy lead as the gerbil guy i mean with that he's a silver fox that's pretty handsome he is handsome handsome guy good looking guy good looking guy that rumor's been around since 98 wow the gerbil gerbil yeah but that's post pretty woman oh yeah way post yeah yeah primal fear solid richard gear movie young ed norton all right one last one last one phil was a talker on this episode phil was a talker in the post game

interview of this so cbs did not get to air one shining moment which we now know is played after every ncaa tournament it was supposed to be for the super bowl the lyric was the ball is kicked and we now know it has been changed to the ball is tipped for the ncaa tournament they saved it used it for the ncaa tournament now it's legendary what are we even talking about you know the song they play at the end of every NCAA tournament? Absolutely not. No, I don't. We know Bob Seger.

Huh? You guys got to watch some College Hoops. I don't know it. I mean, we watch it. Oh, man. I don't know the song. I'm usually knocked out of my bracket in the first three days. I stink.

All right. Not a guy. I mean, I'm not doing as badly as Julian is in our fantasy football league but i won i won this last week did you i actually get murdered in my uh pickums league uh with inside the nfl literally i i think i need to just i went four for 12 four for 12 and i'm gonna start making my picks and then turn in the opposite that's what i have to i mean I mean, it's fucking disaster. Yeah. These fucking handicappers.

Let's name the game. It's tough. I think it's got to be. I'm going to Disney World game. I don't think that's it. Although that's a good name, but that's after the game. You can't call the game something from the post game. The Gatorade shower game.

That's a great image, but I don't think that's it. I think it's got to be Mr. Sims goes to Pasadena. Mr. Sims goes to Pasadena. That's good. It's for your children. Or just call it the Giants' first Super Bowl. I mean, that works. Which way are you leaning? Let's give mr sims his roses let's do it give us a lot of time mr sims goes to pasadena it's like curious george goes to pasadena mr sims goes to pasadena that's that's

that's good curious george fucking rules i used to love that smith goes to washington what i think it's a rip riff on uh yeah the movie oh holy smokes yeah no but curious george was good i'm like i'm like i think they escaped the nazis isn't that the story is curious george they escaped the nazis with only their books and they and they like came and started up i think that's the whole curious george story really yeah look into Gotta look into that. Look into that. How do we score the game? Stakes.

Stakes are high. It's the Super Bowl. First Super Bowl for the New York football giants that pretty much starts their lineage. It's interesting because stakes, now you look for the Broncos, they're high, but Elway won two at the end. It's not like he would be back.

He would be back. So you can't go as high for that. But for the Giants, the stakes are high, I think. Because you have this amazing defense. If you don't deliver with this team, it's a letdown. They've got the odds. They blew the brakes off of the 49ers yeah so the stake like this was their shot yeah because the niners were the team of the 80s exactly so

i think the stakes are pretty high for the giants yeah i would say nine flat nine yeah nine oh yeah star power i mean we have there's so many hall of famers it's a huge star power because you have to not just the players but the coaches very true i mean this is it's like a 9-3 maybe is that crazy i mean you got elway lt sims banks belichick parcells big name rc yeah yeah we gotta. 9-2? 9-2. It's tough. That's 9-2. We got to go 9-2. Gameplay. I mean, the goal line stand was good.

It was a back and forth battle in the first half, but then it became a... It wasn't an amazing game. No. It's not like it came down to the wire or something. No. What do you think? Like 8-2?

7-8? 7-4? 6-8? Kyler's a hater, man. like it came down to the wire or something no what do you think like eight two seven eight seven four six eight kyler's a hater man seven two seven two it's a seven it's past it's really good the name is i i can't go too high in the name mr sims goes to pasadena because it's what like a seven you're going lower five six all right five six are we disrespecting him mr sims we're gonna hear from him we said it it's in let's see what the great dude the russians 7.8 that's pretty good the iron iron man match was a nine or eight what was it it was a eight eight that's in the third place right now full point yo the iron man match was a nine or eight. What was it? It was a 8-8. That's in the third place right now. A full point. Yo, the Iron Man match was pretty hardcore.

It was pretty hardcore. I mean, it's New York football, Giants. Well, look, I would love to go higher here. I am just saying. But we got to honor the score. We have to honor the score, but I just want people to know, like, I tried to give more, and, you know, Sam just said, hey, no, dude we it's right where

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