Games with Names - Ted Karras on the Antonio Brown Game | Patriots vs. Dolphins (Week 2, 2019)

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Ted Karras is in studio! The 2x Super Bowl Champion, former Patriot, and current starting Center for the Cincinnati Bengals is with us to talk about a classic Patriots game: Week 2, 2019: Patriots vs. Dolphins. We're also talking what makes Joe Burrow so darn cool, learning from Tom Brady, his love for Cincinnati Chili and a whole lot more.  (00:00:00) We kick things off. (00:02:19) Ted joins us on the couch. (00:26:00) We go back to September 2019. (00:41:26) We get into these rosters. (1:21:20) We dive into the game. (1:28:47) We score the game. (1:45:44) We answer comments and questions in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. — FOLLOW TED KARRAS & THE CINCY HAT PROJECT: Ted Karras IG: https://www.instagram.com/teddy_k_75 The Cincy Hat IG: https://www.instagram.com/thecincyhat For more information please visit www.thecincyhat.com. — Tickets for the Live Show are ON SALE NOW! GRONK & JULES PRESENT WELCOME TO THE NUTHOUSE! August 28th at MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston.  Get Tickets Here!Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is week two, 2019, Dolphins versus Patriots. That would be great. Welcome to Games with Names. We have a very special guest. Ted Karas from the Cincinnati Bengals, former teammate, here to talk about Patriots versus Dolphins, week two, 2019. Teddy, welcome to the NUT house one sentence. Why the hell did you pick this game?

One of my only times I got the game ball from bill There it is. Yeah, there it is. It didn't go to Antonio Brown Because I think right right after this is when everything went down it went down literally All right. Is this the greatest game of all time? Certainly not. But it was a great game. This was a showdown because Flo had left. And this was the first showdown between Bill and Flo

because it was kind of that whole thing where he kind of left weird. And we also killed him. I think it was 43-0. It was 43-0. Indeed. 43-0. What is the greatest game of all time? I think I probably super well 51

If a game I participated in I mean, yeah that catch I had such a great angle that catch too from the G I did I saw the whole thing. I was saying the whole time. Did you see what I was doing now? You remember I was like, hey, let's get up get up. Let's go fast. Let's go fast make them use a timeout Yeah, you were on you were I was like, hey, let's get up, get up, let's go fast, let's go fast, make them use a timeout. Yeah, absolutely not. Remember that? You were on, you were. I was on field goal. I was on the sideline, like I had like this view of it

and I kept saying he caught it. Yeah. That was crazy. Wait, so you knew you caught it. I knew I caught it. You wanted to go fast. I wanted to go fast so they would burn a timeout. Yep.

Cause that was, was that? Cause Tommy was like, did you catch it? That was after the Julio catch on the sideline. Yeah. Cause that was like, that was a it? That was after the Julio catch on the sideline. Yeah. Because that was a bad moment. That was a fucking insane. That was a bad moment. That was like a velocity. He looked like a damn octopus, like with long ass arms

and feet just somehow getting that in over fucking our guy Logue. Was that Logue, Ryan, right? I think so, yeah. That was right in front of me, too. Because that was great coverage. That was great coverage. That was phenomenal coverage. That felt, it never felt like the end,

but that felt like, that was a tough dagger. It was a tough dagger. And it was not the end though. You gotta fucking believe. You gotta believe. You gotta believe. You gotta believe. And we had a fucking absolute psychopath killer at quarterback that just didn't get fazed at anything didn't get fazed

That guy is it's crazy the longer the more you're away from it and the longer you you're out You realize how big of a killer he was killer Like it's crazy six eight in his moon boots, too I think people underestimate I think people underestimate how big Tom Brady is. Those are his last cleats right back there. Really? I mean, he put those on. They're huge.

He'll put those on. I mean, I feel like you're looking at him in the huddle. I'm like, geez, Tom. He's like a big old Clivesville. Yeah. He's like a big old show. He's like a big old pony. Really, for real.

God, what's life looking like these days, Teddy? Man, so first day of summer break is today. First day of summer break comes to the Nuthouse. What the fuck? We're so blessed and lucky. We sure are. Thank you guys for having me. So I'm heading down to Fort Lauderdale with my wife

and daughter. Daughter's one year old, Penny. Congrats. Penny. And Penny. And we'll be down there five weeks training the Heat, just right in my garage. And get ready to go.

We need to do something this year. What do you mean we got to do something this year? We got to make the dance. That's the only goal. Try to win a championship. We've been out the last two years in early Jan, which is not good enough. Yeah, so take me through some of your off-season goals. What's your individual off-season goals? So, you know, trying to get to, I try to report at like 318.

So I was 315 yesterday. Just try to be as heavy as possible because just inevitably in the season, going to get to, I try to report it like 3 18. So I was 3 15 yesterday. Just try to be as heavy as possible. Cause just inevitably in the season going to lose some weight, um, you know, be in great shape and we've got some new techniques. We've got a new online coach. So, um, Scott Peters, where's he from? He's a, he's a bill Callahan disciple from Cleveland. Um, but he's also like an MMA guy.

He played seven years and then opened up a gym for WWE and MMA guys. So we're learning some new stuff. So this is the first year I'm going to hire a couple guys to hold some bags for me down in Florida and try to master these new techniques as we go into the season. Got it, Teddy. Yeah. You got to hire some people. He's got some good stuff though. It's brand new.

So is it crazy or what? Like to me, would you have thought you would have been doing this kind of training early on your career like like jiu-jitsu kind of yeah No, I mean I you know everything kind of my scale of what to do at O line is from Dante Scarneck Yeah, so, you know, this is this is the first time I'm really you know training the one-hand punch You know scar was a two-hand punch guy. And so, you know in year 10, I feel very lucky I've had a lot of great online coaches but obviously scars at the at the top but to you know to hear things I've never heard of before it's it's a lot of fun but I mean as far as becoming a veteran you're

going into your 10th year like when you're at this point of your career you have to bring so many different things to evolve your game because you can't just stay stagnant right cannot so that's why like even later in my career I started doing yoga and I started doing these other things because you have to always add to the tool belt absolutely that's something you could pull from potentially when you need it in the game because it's gotta be different I like to buy one like gym toy a year you know upgrade the home gym what's the toy this year this year was like the rogue boxes just box jumps. Yeah, I've never been a great like power cleaner So I wanted to do something to get more explosive a lot more jumping than I've done

It's kind of like heavyweights right here. You're like Ben Stiller's dad, you know, he every year at fat camp They would get like a the blob. Yeah the go-kart go-karts that didn't work out equipment Tony Perkins Tony fucking perky sizing. But yeah, I mean I havekarts, that didn't work out equipment. Tony Perkins, Tony fucking Perkins sizing. But yeah, I mean, I, I'd have to say like, I didn't even really feel like a grown man until I was 28. Yeah. So I always tell people that that's the athletic, like peak when you hit your man strength and you still have your college and baby strength and your, your smarts all hit to where you know how to train. 27, 28, 29 was like my athlete performance peak. I mean, I still feel like I'm upward trajectory.

So and I think about it all the time back in New England, we had such a great line, especially interior. I played, I didn't start till year four. So I feel like I got a lot of miles left on the back end. Yeah, so you talked about Scarby and ahead of all the guys that you've been coached by at the offensive line position. Why? Well, I think, you know, one thing he always said was like,

coaches are teachers and need to provide solutions. And the way that he taught offensive line play, I think, I think if you ranked the most valuable people in the Patriots organization, he'd had to be in the top five, top three of why they were successful. I mean, you look at some of the names that were long time greats for the Patriots.

I mean, this is six round, undrafted, fifth round, guys that played 10 years. Former wrestlers. Yeah, former wrestlers, guys that didn't even play O-line. I think the highest draft pick for a long time was Matt Light. Yeah, it Matt light. Yeah Soldier and yes older and you think about those old lines all those guys played forever and at a very high level and I Think that the way he taught it the way I mean it was ingrained in you and that's why that's why I'm really excited

You know that Scott's there because you know now I'm you know, learning some new tricks to add to the fundamentals that scar Bullied into me. What was your favorite bully moment with Scar? Gosh, well there's a quote that I always say that I think about literally every day of my whole life. And you know, I had a good practice and I remember like in stunt pickup, like I put like three guys down. So the defense that day was like talking shit to me in the locker room And I like was like, alright, let's go and I like was saying like how the defense is coming after me and

Scar was like shut the fuck up. You know what you are Ted He goes, you know what you are in this league. You are a grunt and a grunt is all you'll ever be And I think about that every day and I am. And I think that was one of the most formative quotes of my life. Be a grunt. Be who you are. Know what you are was a big one too.

He'd take me aside before I'd go in and he goes, know what you are. You're a grunt. And so that means you had to be nasty. Yeah, had to be nasty and follow the techniques and do everything right to be successful because you're not You know, I'm not I wasn't like a

four nine Athletic freak like say Joe Tooney. Yeah came in day one starter One of the best players of all time in my opinion. I mean, it's hard to argue. Yeah Yeah So can you can you walk me through so I know all the old generation cars scar stories walk me through new generations scar stories in like the room, who's he getting on the most in in your Era of Patriots so cuz he came back in 2016 Yeah, and then that was me and Joe Tooney's first year back and I definitely think I probably got picked on the most. I was a scapegoat for a lot of things. Who else was there?

The interior was Dave, Joe Shaq, Nate Soder at left, Marcus at right, then Trent came in which I think was just a great job by Dante and Joe that 2018 year. He was locked down. He was he was a monster. He's a monster. He's hungry. We had a complete cancellation on the left side. We had never I don't think we ever slid left. It was Tooney and Trent Brown. Yeah those I mean they were they were good. But just the way that he would you know go over defensive guys and what we needed to do just to increase our chances to win a one-on-one matchup.

And I think you did a great job with that. Yeah. Let's get into some bangles talk. So take us through what the mindset is of helping an organization who got to a Super Bowl, try to get back and keep consistent level of play. So I think, yeah, no, I mean, the biggest thing for me going in this year is I kind of have a do or die mentality. Just for the fact, you know, nothing's guaranteed, obviously, in this league.

I'm going into year 10. We've missed the playoffs two years in a row. So I think one of the things I said at the end of the season was, you know, let's up this, you know, I told everyone, let's up this serious meter two or three notches. And I think we did a great job of that this spring. We had our last practice yesterday. Guys were getting after it.

Couple scuffles, we needed some. Needed it. Needed it. You know, I think the biggest thing we have to focus on is just starting fast. We gotta have a better September than we've had. We gotta go out and win week one in Cleveland, Battle of Ohio, against a good Cleveland team.

Now, how do we emphasize starting fast in Cincinnati during OTAs? What are we? Are we just are we getting fast to the fucking water fountain? What are we doing to get better? Well, we just you know, the I think the tempo of this spring, you know, was increased by 25, 30 percent. I like it. Yeah, I like we went out there. And I think, you know, one thing in camp is going to be we're probably gonna play more

in the preseason we haven't played very much in the past and You know really everything we got to get that monkey off our back the the first the week one losses have Have accumulated too much. So that's that's our that's the only thing I'm thinking about Cleveland Cleveland week one now How cool is? Joe bro. He's a man. It's pretty cool. Oh, one. Now how cool is Joe Burrow? He's a man. It's pretty cool. Oh yeah. He's a man. How is how is he in the locker room? Just is he just uh is he give me a comparison to how Brady is he like a young Gen Z Brady? So it's different like with Tom I wouldn't say I had

like an amazing personal relationship. You know, he was 40 when I showed up. And where Joe is like, you know, a peer and a great friend. Do they have a lot of similarities? I'll say the two best throwers of the football that I've seen. I mean, there's just, that's a really fun pleasure of mine in the NFL is to see NFOQBs throw the ball.

Yeah. I think, you know, I love football and throwing the football and to see that level of accuracy and, when was the first time you saw that level of accuracy from bro? Was it in a practice? Was it in a game? When did you know he was like, man, this guy's pretty good. I would say the jets game, my first year there, 2022, I think it was week three. He was just dotting them up and they were bringing all sorts of pressure and it was off balance throws all day.

They have a good defense and I mean, he was putting it on the money. Yeah. Now, how cool is or how good is this receiver room? We got this Higgins and Chase kid, man. They're fucking lights out. I think it's the best in the league right now. How cool is or how good is this receiver room? We got this Higgins and Chase kid, man They're fucking lights out. I think it's the best, you know in the league right now I mean you even you know a name that people most people won't know is Andre Yoshi bus Yes from Princeton. He's the he was your third last year that was making some plays 80 80. Yep. Yeah or

80 something 80 You got hair out the back? Yeah. Yeah. The hair banging. And then we got Mike G. Mike Giesicki. Yeah, Giesicki. And then Jermaine Burton, who kind of had a colorful rookie

year, but really earned a lot of trust of the team this spring. I told him before we go. It's hard to do. Yeah. Come back and earn people's trust. Yeah. Now, Teddy, I got to ask it. This is journalism's finest.

There's the elephants in the room. How come we always hear about the offensive line fucking play in Cincinnati? Well, there's a couple, a couple of factors I would say. I mean, we, we drop back traditional drop back way more than any other team in the league. Okay. So there's a lot of pressure on our guards and our tackles. You know, mostly forward down, so it's not as much on the center. But I think, you know, it just, you know, sometimes we have a good division. Narratives kind of snowball out of control, especially in Cincinnati. Cincinnati Twitter is very educated and opinionated, and I love them for that.

But, you know, I think things I think things get blown out of proportion, but that's what we're focusing on, especially this spring with a guy who came in, didn't know anything about the program, Scott kind of looked at it from 10,000 feet and how can we take 20% of these hits off of Joe? And I think we did a good job with that. But we gotta be honest about who we are and that is a passing offense so we need

guys that are gonna be able to win one-on-one matchups consistently. Yeah I had to ask it I mean people they would have fucking killed me. That's alright you can ask whatever you want. You know I just. It's your show. I just had to know. Yeah. Am I wrong guys?

No gotta ask you baby we're journalists over here. I mean they do have. Yeah. Am I wrong guys? Oh, gotta ask you, baby. We're journalists over here. I mean, they do have TJ Watt and fucking Garrett in the fucking division. Those guys aren't easy to block. No, they're not. I always thought this was more of Jack's show. Hey, there we go. I would just talk. I'll just glaze up Teddy for 90 minutes and over my show. The glaze moment. There it is baby. How's Cincy as a sports town? The best. Yeah. I love Cincinnati. Have a great time. Yeah. Great local establishments. You can go out any night of the week and find people that are hanging out in Cincy. You're right across the river from Kentucky right? Yep. Skyliner? Gold Star. Skyline. Gold Star guy myself. I had two Coneys yesterday at the airport. Oh heck yes.

Yeah. Starvin' at your practice. There had two Coneys yesterday at the airport. Oh, heck yes. Yeah. A real Cincinnati. Star of natural practice. There's a bunch of good breweries in Cincinnati. Very good breweries. It's like a good little, they got the little hipster thing going. Garage beer.

Garage beer. I think I've been there. Yeah. I think. It was Braxton, and they branched off from Braxton. There's a lot of breweries, old German influences. So since he's, I think think the most aesthetic of the Midwestern towns because it's the only one with hills.

Teddy. So, since he has like 52 different municipalities that make it up, so it adds to the culture. There's like 50 little different downtowns and different little sub towns. 50. It's a lot. Little municipalities. Because it's really, it's Hamilton County is Cincinnati. Cincinnati proper is not very big.

You know, the guy who comes up with the Cincy hat knows everything about Cincy. That's a man of integrity. I can already tell he's a man of integrity. Amen. They've been great. I mean, that really, really have been so generous to this cause too.

So we're doing a lot of stuff for them. What's something people don't know about Cincinnati, Ted? I mean, that really, really have been so generous to this cause too. So we're doing a lot of stuff for them. What's something people don't know about Cincinnati, Ted? Something people don't know about. I think it's an underrated food town. I think there's a lot of good restaurants, a lot of local. Give me three restaurants that are insane right now to you. My favorite is National Exemplar in Marymont.

What's the go-to order? So I go on Monday nights, they fly in oysters from Boston every Monday, dollar oysters. Gotta get there by five if you wanna get enough for your fill, that's my favorite. How many oysters is your fill? So I don't wanna be like a glutton, so I usually order like 18.

Okay, yeah. You could go crazy with it. You touch it too, it's a little gluttonous, yeah. Now what's your oyster preparation? Method I use I my favorite way is just straight horseradish on top horseradish and lemon. I like that. They got a good Mignonette though I like that like the vinegar and a little tabasco. Yeah, maybe throw a little Little horseradish on there. Slop it right down. All right, what's the second restaurant? We got any of

the Jeff Ruby's. I think Jeff Ruby's Steakhouse has ruined all other steakhouses for me. Their service and their quality. It makes, I would say Ruby's definitely makes Cincinnati that underrated food town. You know, whenever you bring someone in, if you want to impress them in Cincinnati, take them to any of the Ruby's establishments and you're good to go. So you go someone in if you want to impress them in Cincinnati take them to any of the Ruby's Establishments and you're good to go. Well, so you go in there you're getting what a steak and some sides What are the good sides? Oh, they have mashed potatoes mac and cheese asparagus. I think you know Another underrated aspect is there's their sushi kitchen. Oh, yeah, I got the godfather roll. It's like a lobster filet

I don't know if there's any tuna in it, but they do a great job Okay, and I can't I can't even go I can't even go into a Masters anymore because it's not it's not rubies I get it. I get it. How do you eat your steak medium rare? silverware hands I Cut it Around I mean I have bare-handed a steak, but that's more of like a, that was like a, that was a problem really. I didn't have a steak knife.

Yeah. Well, I mean, if there's- That's more appropriate than a T-bone than a filet. You can bare hand a T-bone more than a filet. To filet, you could just throw it in like a tic tac. And then your last restaurant. So I'm gonna go away from the fine dining and just go to, you know, my go to two dive bars Oak Tavern and Mount Lookout Tavern.

The burgers great wings. Great wing. They call them stoked wings. So they smoke them, then they fry them, then they put them on the grill a little bit. You saw some yourself, but they give you like a sauce caddy. And we had the O line there Wednesday night and and MLTs. I like that wing night. So you got the whole O-line eating wings give me a number of wings that go down. It was 250. 250? 250 with to-go orders. Hey rookie numbers. Those aren't rookie numbers. It was 250 with

to-go orders. Scott Peters our O-line coach took us out for like the last night before summer break. So that's good. Yeah, little team camaraderie. It was great. It was a great night. They do a great job. So I love it there. Dude, you a drums or flats guy?

I'm flats only. Oh, flats only? Flats only, blue cheese. All right. Are you dumping them and then Garfield them? The flat is the scoop on top. And if it's a good flat you can clean it. Well a lot of sometimes I used to see the big lime and they they

they push the flat all the way down. See make like a little lollipop. Yeah. And they just Garfield it. I do that more just yeah that's part of the part of the process. I don't lollipop it before. Yeah. Well if you're gonna lollipop it just do the drumstick. And well the thing is it makes it way easier so you can go double double efficiency Little scoop of blue cheese I mean I've seen some crazy ways of people eating wings because we used to have the wings before a game Yeah

Oh wolf and those wings at the hotel the Patriots hotel are still some of the best wings and best homemade blue cheese that you have That's crazy Unbelievable and then and I like I used to like that blue cheese with a little bit of the Asian sauce that they'd have. So it was sweet. So I tried to get that recipe off him for five years. They'd never give it to me. They'd never give it to you. It's like a heavy dill blue cheese

because it's almost like a little ranchy. It's ranchy, but it's got a little chunk in there. It's a unique flavor. If I tasted that right now, I'd feel like I'm at this Four Point Sheraton in, what is that? Norwood. Norwood, yeah. Norwood.

Yeah. Best wings in town, that's crazy. No, I mean, the Lyman, that was like a breaking bread moment at the end of all of our meetings, you would all go congregate in the cafeteria, guys would be eating wings, watching college football, and Lyman would just put down.

Put him down. That's my kind of night right there. You know, like Ted Harper was our nutritionist. Great man, still a resource I use to this day. I'll text him with any questions. Love Teddy, he's still there. Oh yeah, big part of Patriot success. But we would have dialed in meals.

Our meals would be very healthy all week. All week. Great cafeteria, but very healthy. And then we'd go Saturday night, and it would be like we're eating like shit. It'd be like French fries, wings, pizza. And so I asked him one time, I was like, Ted, why do you feed us so healthy every night?

And then the night before the game, we eat junk food. And he goes, well, as long as it doesn't affect your stomach, none of these calories are gonna matter. So it's just max calories, because you're gonna burn it tomorrow. So as long as your stomach's not messed up, you can eat whatever you want before night before the game. And I guarantee if you did not have wings or those things

in that cafeteria the night before, there'd be a mutiny. Mutiny. There'd be a mutiny. I think one tradition, one time in 2021, they tried to get, I mean, it was, it was, we caused a stink. Yeah.

Bring them back. Bring back the wings, baby. I mean, you gotta have the wings. Even Brady would take a wing down. I remember these stories. I remember he used to smell them. He remember, he would smell them, he'd take one nibble and he would, no one look and he'd throw it away. And the way that it was like a slightly breaded wing with a little bit of like

almost cinnamon, I would say in the it's good it's really what's the food situation in Cincinnati it's getting better I think the report cards have helped the NFL PA I think that's been a great addition to you know making facilities better for the guys and you know this spring cafeteria is really stepped up. Prime rib Tuesdays. Prime rib Tuesdays. With a homemade horsie sauce. Horsie? We got to OJU? Oh, we do?

I like that. You should meet OJU. I see, I just get, yeah, I just load it up. I'm a horseradish guy, though. I love horseradish, but I like to dip every bite into OJU. That's fair. Have you ever been to Four Charles in New York?

Mm-mm. Great prime rib, you gotta get over there. All right. One of the best prime ribs I've ever had. I don't make it to New York much but yeah. You got the Jets this year? At home. It's like one of the first years I'm not playing at MetLife in my whole career. Wow. Yeah. That's crazy to think you had to play in MetLife. I do too. I love MetLife. Yeah. I mean it's not like anything special in it. It's just the surrounding and the New York factor. Like when you drive up over on that, what is it?

95 and you see the city on the right. I love like sleeping the night before and you can see the city. Yeah. It's just, there's an energy about it. New York is, and that's an Antonio Brown legendary moment, MetLife Stadium. MetLife Stadium.

MetLife Stadium. Let's get into the segment where we jump back into time around where the game took place. This wasn't too far back. This took place September 15th, 2019 and go over pop culture. Number one movie, Downton Abbey. I didn't watch it. Did you? I didn't watch it.

Downton. Downton. I didn't watch the show or the movie. I remember it was a show, right? Yeah didn't know catch either BBC. Yep truth hurts by Lizzo I think that my daughter doesn't is that a kid song thing was that the one? Yeah, he had a boyfriend on the Minnesota It chapter 2 Rambo last blood and hustlers were all popping off in the box office. The first it of the remake was actually pretty good.

The Rambo, Last Blood, didn't see it. I like the titling though, from First Blood to Last Blood's kind of cool. Deidre, Last Blood. Kind of a callback. By the way, they say Terrence Newman is the mystery man. Some say on the Minnesota. Terrence Newman, Kansas State. He knew.

That's what the internet has said, but I don't know if that's. I think we just joined the same club. No, right, really? Yeah, yeah, I can't say. I don't want to say I put it on blast. Maybe a corner him in the locker room, say what's up, bro.

I'm gonna ask him about Lizzo. I'm gonna ask him about Lizzo. I'm gonna ask him about Lizzo. I'm gonna ask him about Lizzo. I'm gonna ask him about Lizzo. Post Malone drops his third studio album, Hollywood is Bleeding. Post E.

Post was huge at this time. Huge. So right after, right before this year, we won the Super Bowl. Yep. I went to Amsterdam with Amandola and we went to a Post Malone concert and before we played beer pong with him

and then afterwards he had us on instruments. I don't know how to play an instrument. And he's like, here, make a beat. And we're like, he's like singing along to me, like going, doon, doon, tss, doon, doon, tss. He's a talented guy. He's fucking crazy. Big Magic the Gathering player.

He bought that one card for like two mil. Yeah. Yeah. Was it the Black Lotus? It was the one ring to rule them all. Are you a magic guy? I've dabbled as a kid. I thought it was cool.

It's kind of like I love the art of the cards and just like how, but it's too complicated now. Yeah, there's too many planeswalkers. And what are we doing? Let's get simple. Should we get us off on the phone right now? Yeah. I'm actually texting them.

I think Asaf was number six in New England in 1992 Really? He claims yeah class of 1991. Seriously, we would go by the there's a magic shop in Cambridge all the time He'd like yes, that was my shop Shop he's like that's the shop I use magic out of his rivals page was bopping really You see used to do Matt You were your Pokemon kid too. I played more of the Gameboy game Gameboy color Pokemon Pokemon red You weren't getting the cards. I had cards But that game didn't make any sense to me magic made more sense to me than the Pokemon car Yeah playing the Pokemon car game is it's a terrible game. It's like hard to do. It's stupid

I agree magic makes more sense now. It's a little bit too complicated though but if you watch some of this stuff on YouTube, it's entertaining if you want to fall asleep and to not, not I'm saying it's not like puts you to sleep, but it's a good like, yeah. Yeah. So Rambo legacy organ or legacy franchise. You're pretty much a legacy player.

Can you explain your family trees? Yeah. In the national football league. Let's hear this. We've been in the league since I believe Lou Caris was drafted in 51 or 52 to Washington. I'm the fifth player. Who's that? That's my grandfather's oldest brother.

Grandfather's oldest brother. And then my grandfather played nine seasons, Ted Karras Sr. For what team? For the Bears, Lions, Rams, and Steelers. Won the 1963 championship with the Chicago Bears World Championship, one of the last world championships. I think there was one more, because Super Bowl was 65.

65. Yep. Alex Karras, Hall of Famer, played 12 years for the Detroit Lions. 12 years. Lived out here, had a great acting career out here. Webster, Blazing Saddles, Porkies, he was a long time Hollywood guy.

Wasn't he in the Save It By The Bell? Oh, that guy just looks like you. Oh, yeah. Remember that one? 18 Slater? The college edition? Yeah. No, the college edition Save It By The Bell

had a big, like, I think ex think ex football player that would come in. He was like the gym teacher. I don't forget. When I look this one up, anytime they go off to college in any of those shows, it gets wonky, bro. It gets a little wonky. Did he ever take you to set or anything?

You get to meet like Emmanuel Lewis or anybody? I didn't know. I came out here to visit UCLA when I was 17. And that was like the only time I really spent time with him. He lived in Hollywood Hills and had a place in Malibu. Tight. And then I'm out here and like UCLA called me out and so they offered me and so I think I freaked him out

because I was like, no, I'm in. Like right away I was like, no, I'm coming. And so they call me like, so I tell everyone, like I'm going to UCLA, like I'm fired up. They called me like two days later, like, actually, we don't have a spot for you anymore. I'm like, what the fuck? He's bro.

But make you like UCLA. Why? I mean, how are you going to pass up UCLA for free? You know, that's what I was thinking back in the day, but it makes me feel better. The guy they took instead of me still in the league, Jake Brendel, a good friend, good player. Well, you're a grunt. I'm a grunt.

He's a grunt too, though. He earned everything he had too. So he's played 10 years. He's San Francisco center still. Wow. Yeah. All right, so. And then finally, my father, Ted Karras, Jr., was a replacement player for the Washington

Scabskins, as they called him. So he played three games. They went 3-0. They made the documentary about him. And they ended up, Doug Williams ended up winning the Super Bowl that year with Washington. And so it was a big controversy for a long time, not controversy, but disgruntlement

by the replacement players that they never got a ring. And that 30-for-30 came out. Everyone has a ring. So they game a ring. They game a ring. He wears it around every day. That's badass. They went 3-0.

How many rings we got in the family? Three, no, four. Four. We have, my grandfather won 63, so. Man, legendary family. We gotta be up there in snaps, I would say. Total snaps. Let's say the Matthews family's probably up there.

Snaps, Patons, Mannings. Yeah. Long careers. Yeah, the long, all three of them. Because they all had huge long careers. And quarterback never comes out. Yeah. Arch is going to be in there soon, too. Probably the Longs are up there.

Longs, Howie, Chris. Kyle. Kyle. Because I think maybe the Matthews have it, though, because Bruce played 20. And if you count, because I think, what, Clay's his nephew? Yeah. He counts. Yeah. No, I'm, yeah. There what Clay's his nephew. Yeah. He counts.

Yeah. No, I'm, yeah, there's like, uh, Slates, but he's like, cause a special team, he only get 11 plays. He was only what? Yeah. 12 plays. I think maybe, uh, the Bosa's now, because if you count Kumaro was their uncle. So Eric Kumaro played a long time, I believe. Wow. We'll be right back after this quick break. Yeah. So Eric Kumro played a long time I believe. Wow.

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and so are the Matthews. They're fucking huge. I'd say the Carruses grinded their way out to, you know, I'm the tallest by far, so we're a little undersized for, you know, the Hall of Fame pedigree of the Matthews and the Longs. I mean, you walk up to Kyle or Chris, Howie still how he is still my god is every Sunday it's like working with your dad on there I have like dad look yeah I

don't want to disappoint him at all and he just has that look how fun would it be to be him in the 80s or the 90s or the now yeah yeah yeah or now or now getting that get your money baby and Chris was a great team out I love glad that he came that one year me too he ended his career with two rings two rings back to back he's trying to get me to go do Mount Kilimanjaro no I know you've been trying I know I want to I just can't hiked Mount Kilimanjaro two weeks before camp when I'm done I'll go do it with yeah I'm can't hike to Mount Kilimanjaro two weeks before camp when I'm done. I'll go do it with you Yeah, I can't afford to lose 15 pounds right before camp. I heard it's not like it's it's no joke. No

He's like he's like I'd almost die. Yeah My god, go did it cuz they build wells. Yeah, the water boys. It's great cause great cause I can't wait to do it I'm just gonna have to do it when I'm done man 19,000 feet high no joke. No, it's not like we're wait to do it, but I'm just going to have to do it when I'm done. Man. It's 19,000 feet high. It's no joke. No, it's not like we're going to like 6,000. No, it's 19. Super Bowl champions were the Kansas City Chiefs.

We messed that up too. We started 10-0 this year. I know. If we would have kept AB, if AB would have stayed, we would have won the Super Bowl again. Cause we didn't have a red area target. But you know what happened?

Gronk retired. We gave them the one seed that year. Cause in Christmas, remember we got Christmas off, it was a Wednesday. So everyone had a great Christmas. Then we show back up for Thursday, surprise full pads, grinder practice, started with Texas drill, beat everyone down.

The Dolphins, who we beat 43 to nothing in this game, Grinder practice started with Texas drill beat everyone down the The Dolphins who we beat 43 to nothing in this game Come up to Foxboro and beat us We give KC the one seed loose to the Titans and then now it's we've started this Mess well that Chiefs game where there was like the Nikhil Harry that was definitely a touchdown and there was like the fumble Recurrent for a touchdown. I was like this and this and I was like and then you guys lost the week 17 against the Dolphins to lose the once We had the one seed locked up you guys got since II you guys have their number. Yeah, I mean we've We match up well, yeah, absolutely, but they're a good team man, and they know how to win and they've obviously finished a lot It was you know good for Philly to do that this year was fun to see I guess yeah yeah but we like them either but

what's up with them calling it burrowhead dog I mean he went in there and won a few times so we haven't won in there since we said it so let's stop saying we got a safe yeah no more saying it well speaking of burrow he won the Heisman this year absolutely Absolutely. Well credible season that you're credible. Yeah a nerve shoot with them right after Remember it was me Joe burrow Christian McCaffrey McCaffrey was this this summer. Yeah, juju still love juju

Jamal Adams Jamal Adams and he was just. And he was just cool. He threw a nerf football. He's cool as hell, man. He's a great leader and he's a... I want him to win. But he's got... Me too. That's like my number one goal in my life.

Yeah. Hot take. Yeah. Washington Nationals won the World Series. Liverpool ends 30 year drought, won their first title since 1989. Wilden. C-O-Y-G, come on you Spurs.

Or S. Are you a Spurs guy? Like the Spurs? Yeah. Who's your team? You're EPL? I mean. Are you a Gunners guy?

I'm really nothing. You know, who's a big soccer fan? I even learned about it through Joe Tooney. He would always have it on. I know. Yeah, so. Tooney's like one of the most world's interesting men will jump into it when we break into the teams, but Before we jump into the teams give us the story about this since he had what is this hat that I'm wearing So this hat man, I mean so I had been on three one-year deals in a row

Yeah, and no one seemed to want to commit to me to be the guy and it was probably my last chance I was 28 about to turn 29 and Finally since he gave me a three-year deal and we're just I'm just down in Fort Lauderdale My neighbor in Fort Lauderdale is a rep for Imperial hats Sydney Maitland Came up with this logo. I was just so pumped. I printed like 120 of them and Was just it was just like a token of appreciation my new teammates neighbors are cool hats and I was just so pumped that of appreciation to my new teammates, neighbors, they're cool hats. And I was just so pumped that someone wanted me

to be the guy. And so I gave them to my teammates, they started wearing them. And so a couple pictures got out and the media and the fans launched a full investigation to the origins of this hat. And so I kind of played it low for a while and it really went crazy.

So I finally admitted that they were my hats. And after we lost week eight to Cleveland and they're asking me about these hats, I was like, all right, I'm going to sell them because I don't want to talk about this anymore. And went crazy. First night, 70,000 in sales. Wow.

And all of this, so I had prefaced this by saying all of this is going to go to my favorite charitable organization, the Village of Morici. It's an independent living facility for adults with Down syndrome, autism, all sorts of intellectual disabilities. And so first night, 70 G's, went crazy. And now, you know, we have about a running, every running 12 months is about 1.2 million hats. Let's go. Let's go, baby. Not a cent. Not a cent. I'll never take a cent. I've never, it's all gone directly

to housing infrastructure for this adult community. And so, you know, going into year four now, you know, we've, we built a, you know, a second village in Meritching, Indianapolis, through the hat money, and doubled their footprint of people they can serve. And so now, year four, I'm like, we're doing stuff in Cincinnati.

So we're breaking ground, hopefully, this month on a seven-bedroom apartment building in Madisonville, Ohio. And it's gonna be the first Cincy Hat house in Cincy. And so, yeah, we're gonna keep it rolling. So we're gonna just, all of it's going, we do two full scholarships to young women with autism to University of Cincinnati. Awesome.

Yeah. Now, how did you get involved with this organization? So the guy who runs it. What's it called again? The Village of Marici in Indianapolis. The Village of Marici. Yeah, it's very unique and Colleen Rini founded it. So the guy who runs My Hats is my best friend

from eighth grade, Matt Rini. Call him Cincy Hat Matt. And so his mother founded the village of Marici and has been a pioneer in the intellectual disability community. And so that was just where we grew up doing our service hours. I've known the people that live there now for 16 years. And I had done a lot of work for them previous to the,

since he had, that's who I would donate to every year and then, you know, do events. And so it just was a natural, natural fit. That's amazing. Did you ever work with best buddies? Oh yeah. Yeah. Cause I was about to say, maybe did you start it best buddies and then find this organization? Well, that was like, that was like a traumatic day for me. Cause Tom would do that game every year. Yeah. And then he launched a bomb to me over Dave Andrews. I literally ran a go and it just right out of my hands and at the end it's one of the only things I have signed from Tom Brady is a plaque drop. Oh my gosh.

It was like a sold out Harvard stadium. Oh no. The crowd is going wild. He's on the mic saying that. I had to go up on the middle of the field and get my biggest drop plaques. So it's like some repressed trauma from that. What was Teddy Karis like in 2019?

You're a vet now. What was Teddy Karis in 2019? Well, I was going into year four with what? five starts Fighting for my life in camp and then this was you know, this was the year that Dave had to sit out. Yeah so, you know You know, that was my opportunity came so Was obviously that's like a weird scenario to get in.

Yeah. But obviously took advantage of it. Haven't looked back, but yeah, this is pro football. Let's jump into the dolphins. Jackie, break them down. 2019 dolphins, five and 11, most notably the first year of the beef flow era. He flow came over from the pats, of course, brought chatty Oh with him. Patrick Graham was the DC also had Boyer in there. Uh, this was came over from the Pats of course brought chatty Oh with him Patrick Graham was the DC also had Boyer in there This was taken over from the Gays era went seven and nine remember that was dole his little year down there in Miami They brought in Fitzpatrick in the offseason. He'd been with Tampa before that brought him in in March traded for Chosen Rosen started 0 and 7 this was the year that it was kind of the tank for Tua narrative was

was floating around out there. And then, I mean, a lot of dudes on this roster, but no Pro Bowlers, a first since 97 for the Dolphins, which is crazy. And then traded away a lot of former first rounders, Laramie Tunsel, Minka Fitzpatrick, Kenyon Drake, Ryan Tannehill. So a lot of change going on down there in Miami this year. What do you remember about this Dolphins team, Teddy K? I mean, they ran a lot of odd. They took a lot of, I watched the game on the flight over just to refresh myself.

There was a lot of three down stuff. What's three down mean? Three down lineman. OK. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of odd. You know, I actually, so I signed in Miami the following year. I was down there. And. Three down lineman. Okay. Yeah. You know, there's a lot of odd, you know, I actually, well, so I signed in Miami the following year.

I was down there and so we did get to it. It was tank for two. You know, just watching that game, I think they just had a lot of, I mean, their D line was all right. I mean, Godshaw and Christian Wilkins, you know, still playing pretty good. You know, legend, big John Jenkins.

Yeah. He had a sack in that game, which was- I'd say a four, running backs. And I joined these guys, so I was on their team the next year, and you know- Fitzpatrick. He's awesome, man. One of the all-time teammates. I played against him like with 20 different teams.

And that was, you know, and then the next year, we had went 10 and six and missed the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. So how was Chatio as OC over there? He wasn't- He was gone. He was gone by the time. He went to Cleveland in 2020. He was in one year.

We had Chan Galey. Legend. Long time. Oh, legend. Man. I mean, that was a fun year, Don. I mean, I had, you know, I still lived down there. Got a steal on a crib. It was the end of the world.

And it was the first time I got any money. So, got a steal and, you know, it was a fun year. Gosh, these guys though, that's, looking at this roster, it's disappointing we let them knock us out of the one seed, because I think we really had a real shot to get another one. I know, going down in the end of the year.

That's a Fitzmagic moment though. It's a Fitzmagic, they played it well. Remember when we went into that game though, I wasn't even supposed to play, because I was banged up, and like, I'm playing by the end of the second quarter. So we're not playing very well. They had gotten a lot better towards the end of the season.

I mean, every team does. You know, no one's the same from week two to week 16, 18, whatever it was. It is kind of weird looking at this roster of like the incestuous nature of guys that had been on the Patriots, would end up on the Patriots. I mean from Gasecki to Isaiah Ford. Calvin Munson. It's like crazy. Calvin Munson went back and forth from the Dolphins to the Patriots, I think six times in a row. Oh, I'm looking right at the S1. He literally went six times back and forth. Yes, oh my god. It's insane.

And finally ended up on the Vikings. With B-Flo. With B-Flo. Shout out, Monson. Jackie, break down the pats. All right, let's get into these 2019 Patriots. Home 14, ma'am. Man. I mean, that was it.

This is the last time they were coming off the Super Bowl win. Double-digit win. We made the playoffs in 2021. 2021. When I came back, because I went back to New England. Yeah. Yeah. That's the Mac Jones. Mac Jones. Were you at the windy Buffalo game? Oh, like there was no passes. It was the greatest game day nap I've ever taken because Josh McDaniels, we're in the morning meeting. He goes, Hey guys, we're not throwing the ball today. I was like, this is the greatest thing of all time. We're just going to run. We're literally just going to run toss sweep and we busted one.

Damien Harris busted one and that was the only score of the game. Yeah. It's like a lineman's dream. Just like, we're just running downhill all day long. Oh my gosh. Yeah. I mean, linemen like's dream just like we're just running downhill all day long. Oh my gosh Yeah, I mean linemen like to go forward. They don't want to sit pass block. It's a lot less pressure I'll tell you that mess upon you mess upon a run. No one really notices on TV. I think Josh is gonna do with Drake I'll tell you what with Josh coming back and Cole Popovich their online coach I mean the the men are gonna know what to do and how to do it.

And I think they're going to be a serious team. We let him come in last year and beat us. And so we better be ready to go. They're coming back to Sinsey. I mean, I love Josh McDaniels. I have a ton of respect for him. I don't think there's any information that's been more seared into my brain than his offense. And so I went to the point where when he went to the Raiders,

I have the same agent as a couple of guys in the Raiders and they were having trouble picking up the protection scheme. And so I did a zoom install with the Raiders O line and created like this cheat sheet of, cause I can remember cause Scar would have this test that basically covers all the information that you need to know.

And so I recreated it from memory. And so, fuck it. Yeah. And so I'm on the phone with the Raiders like, no, no, that's a bear. It's that's a sort it. Yeah. It's a read it. Yeah. that's a sword it yeah it's a read it yeah it's a bear that's incredible yeah oh man

if it works didn't work for the Raiders hey that's on them but Teddy will get them right aim right baby these guys I mean it's coming off a Super Bowl win 12 and 4 started out hot 8 and 0 in March Gronk retired. Uh, I know for the first time, um, 17th consecutive 10 wins season, insane NFL record. This would be Tom's last year with the Patriots, uh, Stefan Gilmore defensive MVP. Wow. Um, when foreign four down the stretch, yeah, banged up, banged up.

Josh Gordon goes out trade for Mohammed Sunu, second round pick, bring him in. Of course the AB signing early in the season, Phillip Dorsett's in there. So the wide receiver room was good, but banged up down the stretch and just kind of fell apart there. Unfortunately. What do you remember about this team?

I remember we were really good. I remember we, I mean, we practiced so hard and- This specific week, I remember this was like the best week of practice. This was the best. Oh yeah. Cause AB came and he lit a fire under everyone's ass at the Phillip Dorsett was making big plays. Josh Gordon was, there wasn't a ball on the ground all week. And I'm talking, it wasn't like this din' dunk shit. It was AB routin' a dude up. And we would go ones V ones to start practice. We were one V ones. It's like our team was, that's what I say, man.

If we would've kept AB, we probably would've went on our Super Bowl. Well so AB, like I love AB. And he immediately took to me, like he would look at me in the huddle, he'd talk to me. And then so my AB story is I'm in the cold tub with him and he's just chatting me up and he's a great guy,

great conversation, very intense human being. And so you're not allowed to take pictures in the facility. It's like automatic firing, right? Yeah. So AB's like, man, we gotta take a selfie. I'm like, I don't know, man. He's like, no, we're doing it. I'm like, all right.

Takes a selfie of me and him in the cold tub. You can look this up online too. It's a great picture. Post it on his story, cold tub dubs with big bro, Teddy K. I get like 8,000 followers in like four hours. Puts my Instagram on. So I'm like kind of like freaking out. I'm like, geez, that was, that's like the number one rule

of the facilities, don't take a picture inside. And here we go. Cold tub does, big bro Teddy K, follow him now. So the next day, Scar comes up to my locker and is like, hey, like, what the fuck were you doing? I'm like, what do you mean? He's like, you know we're not allowed to take pictures in the facility.

And so I'm like freaking out and I totally fold. I'm like, whoa, it was a coach. I don't know what to say. I don't know. I don't know what to tell me. He's like, dude, relax. I'm just fucked with you. I don't know what to say.

So yeah, that's a, a, he was a great guy. I, uh, obviously very, very colorful guy, you know, but great player. He was insane. Went off in that game. We're not watching that on the plane yesterday I mean the first couple targets were right to him we marched right down the field and then right before half just hit that go ball hit him he jumps into the stands and Then we never see him again. Never saw him again. I feel like cold tub dubs could be kind of under the

Kevin Hart cold his balls universe, maybe you and AB. Yeah, you and AB hosting it man heart cold as balls universe maybe. You and AB, yeah. You and AB hosting it. Man. And I'd be remissed also if I didn't mention Jacoby Myers and Gunner, undrafted rookie free agents this year, Nikhil Harry, 32nd overall pick, and DT was on this roster, Demarius Thomas.

DT, RIP, my dog. Didn't play a regular season game with the Pats, but he was on this team. Cory Cunningham as well, rest in peace. He came in and played right tackle in that game. We had Marshall Newhouse and showed up that week and so did Cory Cunningham and we went out there with What was me? Joe Shaq Cory Marshall and then because I think Isaiah wind started the game but came out and that was when Cory went in he

Because he we were still working him in he was remember wasn't he coming off coming off in Achilles? Yeah Yeah, we start eight now. Yes, and then lost to Baltimore Yeah in Baltimore Sunday night football and then was you had them in the bye week and then we were horrible after that week Yeah, you know fumble. Yeah, we got whooped that game. We got what was that after the Kansas City game? Yes, I heard before before it was that game was a loss by week, win at Philly, win against Dallas. I had that bumble for a touchdown against Baltimore. I forgot about the loss at Houston.

Loss at Houston. Yeah. Then loss to Kansas City, so back to back. Yeah. Cause I got hurt in the Houston game. Oh, I forgot about that too, yes. Cause I missed the KC game. We came home at the end, got garbage time.

I felt, you know what? I felt like one of those teams that gets the garbage time stats in that. Cause felt, you know what? I felt like one of those teams that gets the garbage time stats in that. Because I got like 60 yards and a touchdown, but like we were down 14 points. Hey, you had 100 receptions, 1,000 yards. Hey, still counts, baby.

Yeah. I'm like full conspiracy theory with like a wrinkle in time. If that A or the Nikhil Harry touchdown would have counted, the world would be totally different. It would. COVID never would have happened. Never. Cause remember, no, the Houston game,

remember everyone was sick and we took two planes. Yeah. And that was like, that might've been COVID. No, it was definitely COVID. Cause we had to take two different planes. Two planes. The sick plane and the non sick plane. Yeah. And we go there and we played like shit.

We played like shit. Who was that, who was their quarterback? Deshaun. Deshaun. That was Bill O'Brien, yeah. That was the year Deshaun got paid, or traded and paid right after, right? That was it.

Some people are 9-11 conspiracy theorists, I'm Nikhil Harry, week 14 conspiracy theorist. There's never a lockdown or mask up if we get that the call right Can he give us some give us some craft talk before we jump in with with the NFL Center? What makes a great NFL Center? Well, I think you know, I've studied a lot of guys And I think Frank Ragnar just retired and he's a guy that I've studied a lot Honestly, obviously the number one thing is delivering the ball correctly

And one thing I delivering the ball correctly. And one thing I create in Frank probably are considered like one and two or just one A, one B. And they're very patient and contact strong. So I judge a lot of centers about how far we, once a guy touches you, how long does it take to shut him down? So that's what I focus on a lot. Because they anchor a lot. Because you're right in the middle though

That's like, you know, Joe's always on me too. Like if I don't have anyone like pick a side and go hunt someone I'll get out of my way But I would say yeah contact strength delivering the ball and you know, I Also judge a lot of centers on their effort like it because you know center more than any of the other o-line positions You're not gonna have someone directly over you. So how are you? Helping your guards up the phone you know the pocket C. O. P. Was a stat in New England. Yeah tracked it very meticulously. Yeah Now who's the Mount Rushmore of centers? Well, you got to start Mike Webster. I would say. Obviously Hall of Famer, Rest in Peace as well, I believe.

I've always been a huge fan of Rodney Hudson. I think he did a great job. I think back to Kevin Mouay in Tennessee. Yeah. Legend. He was pulling a lot too. It was nice. Oh yeah.

He was a snap pull. I think, obviously, Jason Kelsey, he's a Hall of Fame center. And you can't even really judge him like a center, because he played a different position than anyone else. He's more like just a missile who snapped the ball. But was also good in one-on-one pass pro, though. But people always say, can you be as good as Jason Kelsey? Like, no, because it's a different he played a different

position than us he's a former running explain it like he's just pulling around the edge I mean he was he was the ultimate utility knife for that offense you know I don't think anyone will be able to recreate what he can do I think Kam Jergens does a good job now he's a good player. But I think just the explosiveness with the accuracy of the ball and just the fact that he would just pull around and absolutely obliterate everyone. He would.

He would. I always liked Alex Mack. Alex Mack is great. Like he was, like his flexibility and his ability to get to the second level. He had a great stance. He had a great stance. Well, he was super flexible. Yeah. He had a great stance. He had a great stance. Well, he was super flexible.

Yeah, he had a great stance. I have Mangold. Mangold. Obviously a different style, though, more of a bruiser type center. He's a big center, too. Huge. He was like tall. And big.

Yeah. Like a 330 type center. Yeah. Jeff Saturday. Saturday. More of a traditional 6'2 kind of guy. Now, what does the center do every play? Is the center setting the protection in some offenses? Or is that the quarter? What is the center's job to get every how? How is they always say he's the quarterback of the line?

Explain that to me. So in New England, Tom made all the points. So that took a lot of pressure off of that was just the offense kind of ran through where he declared the center of the defense. So, you know, in Cincinnati, I make the points. Obviously Joe has final say. But yeah, I mean, it's, you know, a big stress of mine. What's the point do? The point sets the distribution of the blockers. Okay. The point sets the distribution of the blockers. So in New England, you say like, you know, we had Mike Sam, Mike Sam will, and then once you declared who the middle was, the Mike,

everyone else knew, like on this play, sound like Goldfish in New England, the tackling guard are being up to the will. So they know that if that's the mic, minus one from him is gonna be the will on the second level. So that's how it runs in Cincinnati as well. I wouldn't, it's not as like stringently diagrammed.

We have a more, you know, more options, I'd say. New England was a ton of rules for every situation. Yeah, it's just distribution of blockers. Distribution of blockers. And I'm a big center too that, we're not having a team meeting up there, so you guys better know what to do as well. So when it's a weird look, I'm gonna say what it is,

and we all need to know what to do. So you're communicating to the other linemen. Yes. And echoing a lot of calls, You know we all we all need to know what to do so you're communicating to the other lineman. Yes and I mean echoing a lot of calls I'm a big I'm a big on the road guy when when you make a call don't just shout it forward into the void You know if you're at arrowhead stadium turn your head both ways and shout it Parallel to the line of scrimmage and so the sound so yeah, they can they don't go that way. It's a it's a science thing. Yeah Teddy's very scientific with this shit

now, how about the hearing the snap count on a Loud road situation, but it's on the center head of silent counts. So you guys have a double silent? Yeah, double Denver double Denver. We call it a double foot double foot all the foot in Cincinnati on the foot We call it double Denver because Vaughn Miller would literally Was in the backfield. Yeah from Timing up the snap every fucking play and an AFC championship So we had to do this literally design a protect all offseason. We worked a protection or a silent double Yep, called double Denver because of it

Double D and actually in this game, this was an interesting, so we went from silent to start to verbal after halftime because we were killing them. Fans were all that we could hear. And then so it was kind of a tough moment for me as an early player, you know, this was my fourth start at center ever. And you know, we had a double cadence we called dummy.

So Tom would just go through the full cadence twice. Molasses. Molasses, yeah. Or sugar. Sugar. Yeah, we call it dummy and Cincy actually. Cause you're a dummy if you jump off sides. There's no play call. Or is that, or? No, that would,

you could just go through the whole cadence. You can go through the whole cadence and then he gets a look. Sugar is that. He can either alert could just go through the whole can go through the whole cadence and then he gets a look sugar either alert or He or alpha. Yeah, and then so but you could tell by Tom's voice when he forgot That it was dumb. We'd be getting low on the play call or say we get up there with like 12 seconds And so a couple times in the second half when I was watching this game, you'll see me like I know he wants the ball a couple times in the second half when I was watching this game you'll see me like I know he wants the ball so

I snap it and everyone's like a half beat late off the ball and we're still doing okay But like we had a couple runs that were stuffed and in film on Monday Scars like what the hell is going on and I had to like Kind of not throw him under the bus. I throw Tom under the bus. I'm like, hey coach I think he forgot and I can just tell by the way he is saying the cadence that he wants the ball. So I had to go talk to Tom. I'd be like, hey, I'm going to say sugar on the line, Scrimmage, is that OK?

What did Tom do? He was fine. No, he didn't care. But did Tom know that? Did you confront him like, hey, Tom, were you forgetting? You were forgetting. Did he say yeah? He was, I mean, it was a nothing moment for him.

He was like, oh, it's fine. And kept it moving in his robe. Yeah. Yeah. So you're so dialed in with the quarterback that you can even hear the intonation and knowing what they're actually want. Just like about halfway through the way that he's saying it,

I know he wants the ball. Let me hear it. I forget what was he? He was a big white 20. It's just the volume and kind of like the timber. You know when I have a football voice. White 20. Yeah.

White 20. And then kind of the speed, like what is that? Like kind of, you know, like that's when the ball wants to go. Where the first one would be like white 20, white 20 set. So you know when he's like slow on that second white 20 like that's a true sugar but when he starts speeding it up at the end you got to get that you got that thing ready because I'm not what makes a good cadence um I think the the ability to

mask it to where if you can if you can you guys jump off sides that's the no that's the number one stat I think that would prove that you have a good cadence needs to be loud You know you have to have your football voice I would say cuz I kind of I got kind of a high voice too So, you know, I people make fun of me cuz I have you know, call the huddle and like a deeper voice. Yeah. Yeah I don't want my voice to crack in on third down. You know, Tom had a kind of a high voice. Oh, absolutely. Made me feel good about mine. Yeah. I think just the ability to draw people off sides, I think, you know, you have to have variation too. So everyone's got to be dialed in. That's a big thing that you can accomplish in

spring football. How often are you mixing up cadences? Are there different teams that can catch on really quick? Or are there defense events that are like, oh, this guy is always going to be on the count? How often are you playing games with that? Depends on the D line, probably. Yeah, so a big thing that we did last year was just really vary the silent count.

And especially Cleveland, Miles Garrett is, if you let him get a step, I mean, the play is ruined. Um, and potentially the game he's a monster. Yeah, he's a monster. Great player. A lot of respect for him. Um, so, you know, we got to be dialed in. So it's a lot of like with that, you know, I created like five additional ones for Cleveland this year. And you know, we had, we had a little bit snafu's in practice. So I printed out a whole cheat sheet of, you know, what these are and coached it, I like to distribute them guys.

Cause we need to, cause I, you can't, the whole strategy against miles is let's just not let them ruin the game. If we can contain him, you know, we'll have a decent shot to beat the Browns, especially with a JLK retiring. Yeah. Great player. That's crazy. Crazy. Let's get this game. Yeah. All right. I want one more lineman question. As a fan

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You don't know. That's what a lot of, you know, when you're grading like a football game, like, you know, these grading agencies, there's so much context in football that you don't know who's right or wrong. So, um, I actually snapped it early one time against Atlanta in 2022 and Lyle Collins gave up a sack. And so I said in my post game, just to clarify, I was like, I snapped it early.

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Oh boy, brutal start to the beef low era. Lost that one 59 10. Week one for the Patriots, go in, Pittsburgh comes to New England 33 to three, start off hot after the Super Bowl campaign. And from the little bit of the wide receiver room perspective, we mentioned DT got traded though September 10th. He was there in the off season,

didn't actually play a regular season game. Josh Gordon came back from the year before and AB was the big story, of course here. September 7th gets signed. Same day he's cut by the Raiders. You remember the frozen feet, the cryotherapy. The helmet. The helmet. Calling John Gruden a cracker.

Mike Mayock a cracker. He was the original cracker of the week. He was the original one, the founding father. Those are so funny. I mean, you can tell the one, he has a genius working on his Twitter. He's fucking hilarious I think it might just be him. I

Don't know but whatever's going on over there is insane So that was all the air hot air balloon. I mean the the allegations swirling it was Maybe as Ted already Said he was like the most charming dude to teammates like at least least I didn't see any of the, I only had it for 10 days. Was he, was he actually living with Tom? Yeah. Well remember that was a whole like internet room. Like they're living. They didn't tell me no, I never knew anything in New England. They didn't tell me cause they knew it would have pissed me off.

Probably. I didn't know that he came by the crib once, didn't he? I don't know. No, your crib. Who? Oh yeah, he came over to the crib. We had dinner. We broke bread the Friday before this.

Yeah. Man. You were there? No, I wasn't there. You didn't there? I was locked in. I was nervous. Yeah.

Man. I don't have time to be eating with AB. Yeah, that was, that was, the AB story was really dominating the lead-up to this game. That was the big story. And what else was the AB story was really dominating. That was the big story. And what else was the big story? Ted making his fourth start? Yeah.

That's right, baby. That is right, baby. And we're going in there with like, technically, you know, going into camp, three backup O linemen. You know, that was a rush job because we had to get, we signed Marshall Newhouse that week. We signed Corey Cunningham that week. And you know, we were kind of a rag tag group going down to, uh, go down to Miami

where historically we hadn't had much success. How's the horrors down there? Now was the last year we went to Miami was the Miami miracle. That's right. This is the first appearance. Yeah. What's the key to surviving the heat in Miami when you go and play there? Or why did we always have a problem with Miami? Well, because we played them late.

So we had been, usually we went down in December. So we had been in the cold since Halloween. I always say this too. I played one year in Miami. If you had to play your whole career in Miami, I'd say that would probably take off 10 years of life expectancy. I mean, I'd be that probably take off 10 years of life expectancy. I mean, it is so I'd be driving home from games sometimes on 95 like, man, I, I feel

like I might pass out and die. stroke. That was just like 75 snaps in the absolute beating down Florida sun at 1pm. And you know, it's, it's tough down there. I'd say that's an advantage to play it on them. But even so though, you can tell towards because I used to I wear the the elbow guards and Tom was a big stick or your center can't be wet and so I it's huge oh and this would be this is like a nightmare for it explain that oh man I mean so I still do the towel to this day you can see me Tom takes all the centers to the side if If you're going to play center at any point, even just an undrafted guy,

he'll teach how to fold it and put it into your ass. And I still do to this day, every single day, everyone's asking me, like, what is this? Because it looks kind of dorky. And but I just like, I can't I can't play center without it, because that's just how I was. I never played center before I got to New England so that was how I I learned center and an early moment the blue-white scrimmage 2016 we do it every year and I had you know I was on Tom's team and apparently too wet for him and he literally this is a embarrassing moment he literally pulls me off to the sideline,

screams in my face that I'm a sweaty pig, and then pulls my pants out and powders my ass with baby powder in front of everyone. Oh my God. So. What are you thinking? I was kind of embarrassed. I mean, all the fans were looking, where I I get like 15,000 people at Gillette Stadium

But I was like I better I started changing towels a lot I would sometimes change pants and have to do it or something I would I would baby powder myself every day before practice and and that's nothing you go back to that picture, too You know Tom was really tall so when you you know he would always tell you to get your butt up so and we were under center a lot so a lot of times where's that picture if you look at it i'm like straight-legged snapping it just because he's so tall he's so much taller than me but i would always just do whatever he said so yeah i mean yeah we all did we all did yeah and we just like that he was talking to us. Oh, me too. Yeah. I'll do whatever you want.

And looking at a New York Times article here in the headline, how do you avoid swamp ass? Yeah. Tom Brady does it by seeing the towel down the center's pants. Yeah. You had to learn how to how to get back down low to make a block. That's tough. Tall as a fucking Tom's tall. Tom's way taller than one thing. They don't realize. They say 6'4", but it's a tall 6'4". It's... yeah.

It's a tall 6'4". We started this game. Let's get into the game, Jackie. Let's get into this thing down there in Miami. Started it a little slow, back and forth, some puns going on. But we strike early with a 10 play drive. Division game. It ends in a Sony TD Follow that up Steve Oh misses a 49 yarder, but still up in this one then get back into it

We mentioned this earlier a be getting on the board were you know, we had eight targets in this game It was clear Tom was really trying to get him involved in the game plan. I think first get him go repasses Yeah, just like tools was getting you're getting doubled like pretty much all day So it was just like flow flow remember flow would do that. Yeah. Just pick a guy to double. No, he, he wouldn't let me catch the ball. Yeah. I remember this. We had some jet sweeps early in the game. I saw that and that was, that's always, that's a good thing about a Josh McDaniel's offense too, is he's very in tune to like how positions are doing. And that's like, that's kind of a breather play for O- so it's a breather play but it's

also an examination play because you're examining that defensive end prior yep to this whole thing happening if those ends are getting wide getting wide or getting down getting down making those plays then they'll hit you with that sweep to make them honest keep them honest but that But that, and that, uh, that AB drive 11 plays over six minutes, that 20 yard pass from Tom to AB. And that was one of those, like those moments, like a, where were you touched down of like, this is going to be something special, like, oh my gosh. People don't realize 11 plays in this weather in September.

A lot. I can't even imagine. I mean, that's pretty impressive to have 11 play well thought out, well executed drive in the second week of the season, mind you, you know, against a division arrival. That's one thing that stood out to me was the well executed, hat on a hat, get the ball down hills,

the two fundamentals of his run offense. And so, but you can tell towards like, once you get into the second half of the film, I mean, guys are guys are hurting. Now, do you remember half time of this, this game? No, I remember I took off my elbow sleeves because they were too wet. That was like the main thing. Yeah. I remember going in and yelling at Ted Ted. I need calories now. Because it was so fucking, yeah, Ted Harper.

What kind of in-game calories are you talking about? Yeah, what are we doing half the time? He's giving you like, they have like these bars, honey, pickle. What was that drink, the slimy stuff? Electro light shake, what was it? You remember the one that we- Cram juice.

No, but the one that would clump at the bottom that everyone took. Oh, you can. You can. I would take you can yeah You can I don't know that one. It's a it's a slow digesting Carbohydrate mix that they have that they actually started giving to like kids or people that have a diabetic Oh, well, so your blood levels can go throughout the whole day. Well, so it's a good way for you to hold calories for a long time

Interesting guys would take it for it's like this like carbohydrate. Basically. It's like cornstarch Geez, yeah. No, it was thick. It was clumpy disgusting. It would clump at the bottom. Oh man You got to shake that bad boy But it was five Miami punts in the first half the defense was flying around Miami couldn't get anything going up 13 nothing at the half. Second half is when this thing really starts to open up courtesy of the defense as well. Fitz magic interception leads to a Steve O field goal. Um, then we come back with a five minute drive kept off by a nice Brady QB sneak

TD. Gotta love that as an O lineman baby. Ted, can you tell like, I know it's been well documented, but like what makes Tom so good at that sneak? Well, we've talked about it all day. How is yeah, and just how long his willingness to do it And we we practiced it. I mean there was a big you know when you get up to the ball He would give you a 10-10 or 11-11 and where he wanted you to go at center So obviously 11 to the left. What would scar say in the meeting?

I mean, we just got to try to what our guys going in the jaws of death. I mean, we're called the jaws of death Yeah, and we're it's it's it's a sellout play. Basically. We got to try to get one double team You know wedge blocking type scenario and then you know Tom Tom was good at just finding the soft spot And if you watch that one, too Miami was totally unprepared for that. We were on the one and they had basically two techniques. So head up on the guard. So that's an easy, that's an easy yards on that. Because what Tom would do would be like, we would call a goal line play and he would just go, but then he would say, he would say Scooby-Doo. So that would be like, Oh, Hey, if the sneak is open, I'm just going to go dog, dog, blue, go. And then so that would be like oh, hey if the sneak is open I'm just gonna go dog dog blue go and then so that would be so situational QB sneaking

Yeah, I think probably on that one We had like some type of goal line force play and then and he was so successful because he would never He would run it to like the right look He wouldn't run it on a like Like for example, you look at the Bills last last last year in the division or was a divisional against the Chiefs where they had the fucking tush push like they had everyone in their mother in the a-gaps there you got to get that outside somehow it's a feel thing it's a field to feel but I

think was rarely called in the huddle in New England interesting yeah I know that or is it just like you and him? Scooby-Doo's automatic. Scooby-Doo's automatic. So if he thought a lot of the times that he could even do it because he saw it throughout the game, he would probably go call play. And then he would look at the line and Scooby-Doo, Scooby-Doo.

On the way out. On the way, like going? Going to the line. Yeah. Sometimes we wouldn't even know. Yeah. Like receivers don't have to know because we're going on a ball anyways like you can see a lot of the sneaks like the back still takes his steps for the track that he was down yeah wow so that he's he's getting them rubro what's your thought on the on the touch push so I'm glad we didn't outlaw

it I think that you know I wouldn't particularly love to be the center in that all the time. But knock on wood for everyone. It's not nothing. Nothing's bad happened. So you're just at the bottom of a lot of pile. I think that the Eagles have obviously done it best. I think what proves that it shouldn't have been banned is that other teams had tried to do it without success. So obviously this is something that they're scheming and practicing You know that have the best success and they have you know, if you watch them do it, too I mean you got the tackles kind of like fold back in to Like Jordan my a lot is like drop stepping and coming in and putting his weight weight into it and that's a big man Yeah, he's big he's rugby was he rugby rugby player player. Yeah. So I mean, when you're, when you're

squats, those 600 pounds, those guys, that's it. That's what the guy does an advantage. When your QB squats that much with like the copycat nature of the league to Ted, is there like when you see it working so well, like early on, I don't know. Like, was there talk in the, you're like the online room and since he like, let's put this in, let's try it and practice or anything. No, not with us. I don't think that's something that, you know, if we're honest about who we are, that we wanna, yeah.

But you know, it's great for the Eagles. Other teams have tried it to, and I think the percentage outside of the Eagles is fairly low. I was gonna say, it seems like everything I've seen. So I don't realize that's a violent pile, and you don't wanna put your highest paid guy in that pile lot

No, like it Tom. He's gotten hurt on a QB sneak before I think he heard something But not enough to make him get out homes. Yep, my home Seattle. Maybe was that Seattle? I think oh line remember didn't even 16 bang something up. Yeah, that's a drunk. I'd hurt that game too in 2016 That's when he hit the back. Yeah. That's as drunk. I'd heard that game too. In 2016. That's when he hit the back. Yeah. Oh yeah. Oh, with the Earl Thomas. Yeah.

That little torpedo from a game perspective here, we flash forward to the fourth quarter. This is when it really starts to open, open, open wide up. The Fitz magic wears off and he does sort of some, the Fitz magic thing of back to back pick six is gilly gilly with a 54 yarder and then Jamie Collins with a 69 yarder nice man wouldn't have like what you gotta talk about the Jamie Collins athleticism dudes insane he's a monster monster I mean I credit him with the reason I made the team as a rookie I mean first two plays of hitting in camp 2016 he he ended two careers of guys in front of me. Yeah

It was yeah, two good players to Brian stork and soon will win center Jonathan Very it was two plays in a row literally and they're like who's next so they'd send me in and then they call One back power and I'm pulling for Jamie Collins. I'm like, oh, here we go Let's see what happens and luckily the way they fit it Jamie Collins. I'm like, Oh, here we go. Let's see what happens. And luckily the way they fit it was they kind of, they brought Chung in to fit the B gap. So I ended up having Pat Chung, had a good block on Chung and we like sprung like a 10 yard gain. And that was, that was how I started.

Fucking Jamie in a weird way. Shout out Jamie. Now Brian Stork too. What a great guy. He was a great legend. Showed me the ropes. I mean, I think about him a lot when I think about how a veteran Treats like a should treat a young guy coming in the league Respect. Yeah, one of those great Florida State offensive lineman. Yeah from Vero Beach Storky man wildcat too, man. Yeah, fun times. He was fun for state man Thing is we only he only played with us for like two years

Yeah, he was he fun for a statement thing is we only he only played with us for like two years yeah you busy like you talk to ya like he came in as a rookie and did what they did like he came in played we needed him fucking we won a Super Bowl yeah and then boom just like that's how that's how sacred the game is I think he's coaching now I think I saw a mess damn I think he's at Southern Miss. Damn good coach too, probably, I bet. Because he loves the game. He does. He's a good man. He hits us up on Twitter sometimes. He's ahead. Old Storky. He was coaching tight ends at East Tennessee State.

Let's go, Storky. Southern Miss footwork out there, Bobbs. He looks good too. Have you seen him? I haven't seen him in a while. No, he's leaned up. Dang, he's looking studly You see I look at this fits matching game and then we played him Later in the season last week of the year and he was fucking dialed the Bunker Parker to he had a couple of those Games against us where he was I think he was with Buffalo one time

Jets could have been with the Jets one time he always, he kind of knew how to play us. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, I mean, you take the good with the bad and the, the fiery and the streaky with the cold and the like, I don't know. I just, I mean, the ultimate teammate too, man, he had the respect of everyone in the building always and he'd me, he'd sling it around as you can see. I mean, that was probably the biggest knock on him was.

Is that stork? That's stork. Holy shit. I didn't even recognize him. Man's got the jawline all defined and everything. And a sweet feet touchdown would put the nail in the coffin in this one, 43 nothing. And before we wrap this one up,

that sort of lives on in internet lore from this photo we can see right here on our rundown of the bench with Josh Gordon, AB, Jules, and, indoor set is kind of like a, it's still referenced as like, man can't believe how good we had it kind of thing. Epic picture. Epic picture, it still floats around. That James White touchdown was an untouched screen too,

by the way, if you was watching it, literally we're so, everyone's so tired and we call a screen and we're like, shit. But it's me, Shaq and James Ferentz go out, literally all three of us, and there's not a dolphin in sight. And James just literally jogs into the end zone, then it's over. That was the last play of the game.

It was a great way to end it. Yes, yeah. Not a dolphin in sight. Because you can see my running gait is like, I'm barely can get my feet up. I'm just so tired. The year before this, we got to remember, this team, I think, didn't win just like so tired. The year before this we got to remember this team I think didn't win a game

Was it the year before this? What the Dolphins? Yeah, I didn't know they beat us in Miami The year before that let me look 20 sub 20 17 2017 I thought they were all right because we lost Monday Night Football to them. Yeah, maybe I'm sure there were six and ten in 2017 When was the year where they didn't almost win a game? It was that was like with with Cam Cameron or somebody maybe. What year? Or under Spirano? Let me look.

No. I thought they went, didn't they go dormant for a while? They came in in the back end of the season where they started owing something. Well, we would always give them a win. Yeah, I know. They were always in that purgatory eight and eight world. Well, there was a time in my career

where they went to the playoffs. I think we played them in the playoffs once. 0-7, one and 15. Yeah. 15, 0-7. Or remember 2016 we beat them in Miami. That was the Michael Floyd crack back. Yes.

That was all time. That was like kind of the spark of that team I feel. Yes. We talked about that week, I feel. Yes, no that was. Because we talked about that week, 2016, like we always knew we lost in Miami. Yeah. We A, talked about it, we were trying to get our feet going for the playoffs, we hadn't been playing very well,

I don't think, going into that. There was always, there was like a- 2016, we were 14 and two, so we were all right. But I'm talking about as far as execution and stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well, I mean, mean honestly some of the worst Mondays after in New England were like after like a big decisive victory Yeah, no, those are the worst cuz he had to bring us down He had to bring us down remember the heck game cuz we killed him and then I went in that you know Cuz I would go in garbage time right guard and I like made in diamond consume my enemy cuz we

called like a an outside zone and scar was always like if you don't even try and throw and cut like it's a miss assignment so he's like on me I'm like fuck it's garbage time I'm gonna try and cut him and then just hated me ever since we were up three touchdowns I'm telling a cut I told him his face I was like dude I'd get a minus you didn't even go down that's not a guy you want to get on the wrong side. Oh my gosh. Did you have to battle him after that?

Battle, oh yeah, a few times. He's just a really good player. Who's a D tackle that you know you have to bring your A game for? I mean, so I say the obvious ones like Aaron Donald and Dominic Consue, especially early in my career. And Dominic Consue was just so much stronger than me. That was the first time I really felt that.

I would say like, like kind of less known guys. I think Trey Flowers was so good at that zero. He's long. Long. Leveraging. Yeah. He would grab like the back of your pads.

Yeah. His arms were so long. No, they, they, his arms are insanely long. He's, he's a weird, he's a weird, he's a weird shape for a D-tackle. Like usually D-tackles aren't like, he's like not fat or big. He's like built long and just like skinny almost,

but he also has the power of a, like a short. Very strong. I think a guy who just signed in Cleveland that I've been playing against since I was 19 years old, Malik Collins out of Nebraska, he's had a great career. Very, you know, probably less known than he should be as far as a D tackle. There's a lot of good guys.

Everyone in the league, everyone's got a good D line. Yeah. You go play these bad teams, receivers are chilling, about to go off and the O lineline is stressed out of their minds. I know. So this Dolphins Patriots is kind of an inter-division rivalry. It seems like the AFC North, it seems all the teams have rivals with each other. Is there like more like, could you rank the rivalries of NFC North teams against the Bengals? So our division, I would say obviously the Ravens just because they're the best. Cleveland, I mean, well, all of us, yeah, I mean, it's like the same kind of the same situation.

We hate Pittsburgh, hate Cleveland. Baltimore's good, we hate them too. So it's, you know, and AFC North is a, I think a really good division, especially because we're kind of unique in our offense where we get the least amount of base. But if you watch an AFC North game, it's base defense out there all the time. And even base meaning base meaning, uh, like, so the Pittsburgh

plays three, four. So instead of like four, two nickel, they'll be in three, four personnel. So they have more lineback, they have less DBs, less DBs, less DBs. Usually, you know, you bring in, you trade a linebacker for a nickel, a nickel, a defensive back. That's a nickel defense, like a half and half guy. Bigger people on the field. And Pittsburgh will even just say, especially like early in the game. They don't care.

They'll just play base. Yeah, they'll just don't match. So it's like, you know, so it kind of checkmates you out of, if you wanted to run any nickel runs, you know, now they're kind of checkmating you into passing it with five one-on-ones smart strategy Smart strategy. Let's grade this game. What's the legacy of this game? No way what's the aftermath of this we go on let's hit the aftermath real quick Jack

a B gets cut September 20th off field issues the stuff going on from Sending those texts whatever happened inside the facility. Regardless, he got caught. He got cut. Miami went five and 11 missed the playoffs, but they would upset the Patriots in week 17. The Devante Parker game, he had like 137 yards. Fitch Magic threw for 320. That knocks the Patriots out of getting a first round by, which then would lead us to get the three seed lose to Tennessee Mike Vrabel at home. That would be Tom's last game as a Patriot. That was a bummer. Brady and Gronk teams up in Tampa in 2020.

And AB eventually comes there. Ted, we talked about this a little bit earlier, would go on to sign with Miami the next year, then return of New England in 2021, then signed with Cincy in 2022. And the B-flow era would come to an end in Miami after the 2022 season. Ted, as a guy who you mentioned earlier as a kind of like single year contracts, one year deals, to finally get a little bit more stability and consistency

with the contract from Cincinnati, how did that feel for you as just like a football player in that part of your career? I'm so grateful to Zach Taylor, the Brown family, Blackburn family that they trusted in me and gave me another year on top of it. I mean, I've been, hopefully I'll be a captain again, be my fourth year as captain. I'm very grateful to Cincinnati. I love the fans, I love the city, the people.

Obviously my teammates are great. It's so fun to be kind of an older guy now that people look to, like this time, I was looking up to Jules and a lot of the great leaders in New England, and we need to do something. We had a great spring, and it'll be, they've never won a championship. That was one of the big factors, not big factors, but a factor in why I wanted to sign there,

because I think the city would absolutely explode and that's our goal. We're rooting for you for sure. Things are always fun. Always do. Always love it. Chopped your name on Fox a few times. You have. I have. You have. Let's name the game. These are a group of names that we came up with. If you have a name that you came up with, Teddy K, we can use that, but we came up with the AB game, the what could have been game, the B-Flow Bowl, or the Miami Massacre. I think you just need to preface the AB,

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Network, the iHeart Radio app, Apple Apple podcast or wherever you go to find your podcast let's score the game is this the greatest game of all time let's score it week two 2019 Patriots first dolphins Teddy K the stakes of this week two game zero to 10 decimals. Okay. Zero to 10. We'll give it a, we'll give it a six. I'm going to go. That's an integrity score. I mean, it is a division game. So I'll go five four one. Kyler. You're such a, I had a five, six or in the same region. The star power of this game, zero to 10 decimals.als okay Teddy K in the stadium on the field player versus player coach versus coach whatever you think the star power well I think Miami automatically adds a star just being in Miami but I think that

picture alone that you know the epic picture of everyone on the sideline I mean I got to go I'm gonna go I'm gonna go 8 8'm gonna go eight eight. Oh, I like that score. Good score. You know, if that pitcher had Gronk in there, it'd be a great picture. Yeah. But it didn't. So I'm gonna go with a seven six.

Respect. Hey, I also went a seven six. I'm going high though. I got a I got 7.2 the gameplay Teddy K of this game, 0 to 10 decimals. Okay. Well, I think that, you know, I've only, I only got the game ball from bill three times and this was one of them. So go and we won 43 nothing slaughtering high execution QB sneak touchdown screen touchdown two defensive scores let's go 8-3 8-3 I like that goes into getting a game ball I'm not really sure but I mean I played pretty good in this one you

know I was never like you know I'm not I wasn't like a you know Dave Dave would get a lot of game balls Dave Andrewss, I mean, I used to be like start tasing him. I'm like, come on, this guy gets another one? But, you know, he was, he was Bill's guy. I don't think Bill would ever have considered me his guy, but I don't know, just playing good. I think, you know, a lot of times too with Bill, it'd be like a reward of like a good month of consistency of work and or if you did something really special

But for all I practiced well. Yeah, if you practice well, I got a lot of scout team players of the week I'll tell you that let's go black jersey Black jersey month, baby. What is it if you're the scout team player the week you were black jersey that week's practice I say you have to keep the jersey. You just wear it He's just in your lock. It's just you know, yeah for me gameplay blowout 7-2 on the 5-9

5.1 5-1 the name of the game the Antonio Brown game or the Antonio in New England game. There's no mistake in it there was only one. There's only one. V. It's a no-nonsense game I don't think it's flashy you know you're not putting it on a t-shirt. We'll go we should make t-shirts of that. It's descriptive we'll go 5-2. 5-2. I like that level. We gotta make that t-shirt. Does this game get on a t-shirt? I'm making this a t-shirt now it'll be the But I do I like that level we gotta make this I'm making this a t-shirt now. It'll be the hell the highest scoring one. We're gonna give it to your your foundation Let's go

Name of the game. I mean What could have been it could have been I could we could have got we could have got another one if we would have stayed in. The A, B, N, E game. That's, see that's catchy, no. That's the A, B, and N, E. It's tighter. That's, that's. We're gonna change that. I like that we're workshopping here, brainstorming.

Well then I gotta go seven, two. Strong, strong. Feels high. I went six, strong. Feels high. I went 6-9. We're in the same ballpark. I went 2-3 just because... Russian judge, Russian judge. Someone's got to have some integrity.

6.25. Let's see where we rank out. Or is this ranking out? That puts 6.25. It is our new 87th game just behind the Manning 7 2013 week one Broncos versus Ravens and just ahead of Gilbert Arena 60-point game. I think that's a very appropriate Look at it play got put it 87 shut out the weeks. You see where the weeks are

Yeah, week two week one. I like you know what I mean? It's a good company game when you know that that was an insane the game though Gilbert this is great data guy. Yeah, yeah, that's a good and you know what I mean see company game. We're you know that that was an insane the game though Gilbert this is great data guy. Yeah, yeah, that's a good and you know what you said. What was the greatest game of all time? Yeah, we agree. Yes, that's so far so far so far Dead knows ball that was a great episode the super blood wolf moon Yeah, do you have any rain moments? So Ernie was so great to me like I love the fact that we had a person like that I mean so unique and he would just his main contributions to me the main rule that he made me Know was that if it's like really rainy and we're not down on the clock

The center is allowed to tell the refs to switch the ball out. Okay Yeah so he would always tell me if we're raining if if it's raining, like, Hey, just make sure you take a peek at the clock and you can get a new ball if it's going to be, if it's going to cause a problem for you. Cause that's the most important thing you have to do is deliver the ball. Ernie nugget. Ernie nugget.

Ernie nugget. I love it. He's so great. God, that heirloom tomato. Every day. Every day. Little salt, little pep. Or just pep. Just pep. What a great dresser in my opinion. Honestly. Shout out Madras. Classic menswear yeah. Looks like a New England gentleman. I remember when I think I was like in my

third year, fourth year, and he's been wearing that same coat. Oh yeah. Since it came out. Since him and Bill played at Wesleyan together. Yeah. Philip Sandover. Oh, let's go. And that coat was starting to come back in like that season of fashion. I go, Ernie, dude, you know that coat? It's like back. He looked at me. He goes, it never went away.

What other stories do you have? Do we have any other good stories before we let you go? Of New England? Yeah. Or anywhere. We've covered a lot. Just trying to think, man, those are some good times, man. Great people, great teams. We didn't even talk about Matt Slater at all.

Oh my gosh. I feel remiss if I didn't at least mention his name. Give me a Matthew Slater. Slate dog. Well, I think my take is obviously, you know, the Patriots Hall of Fame is getting crowded, and so is the NFL with Patriots. But he is undoubtedly in both, in my opinion. No one's had more accolades as a special teamer.

There hasn't been that many Patriots in the Hall of Fame, though. Well, they're coming soon. They better put some in soon because we got... I know, but they better. They ran the league for two decades. So the thing about Slate was he's probably the least controversial of any of the guys that were...

Yeah, anyone. So there's not like a Slate did something story. No, it's just the Slate touch. The Slate did something story is just the slate touch in the slate. Yeah Um, he's like though. He was the he's like honestly one of the best teammates the best teammate Because he could he can read you and in his job at probably the time when you were there a lot of his job was like as a leader of the team would be to like as a leader of the team would be to like scan the locker room. And if a guy was down, he knew how to pick him up, you know, like he knew how to remind guys certain things

and he was just a great shoulder. A grown man. And a grown man. And a grown man and a guy, like the thing that stood out about Slate too, and that I try to carry into is like, he was a 10 year vet, but like going as hard as he possibly could.

Like just balls to the wall every single day. And that's like what you have to do to win. So I, but they're not like, there's not like a funny Slates. I mean, I don't have like a, yeah. We've already said that the funny ones are the ones when early in his career, when he would like, he messed around and said like, shit once. That was like the funniest, any funny lineman stories?

From New England? I guess we can just like, I mean shout out, we've already talked about him, but Dave Andrews legend, congrats on a great, great career. Absolutely one of the men I respect the most. Joe Tooney, hopefully you can get him on here one day. That would be awesome. I always tell everyone, is he not one of the most world

interesting men? Oh man, he's one of my best friends. You're in that category too where you guys have book club and crazy travel club. But Joe is very, very smart and obviously an extreme athlete too. I hope he comes out. I think he'd pick a really cool game.

He would. Yeah. And you just go down the list though. I mean, Marcus Cannon, Nate Solders, don't want to be remiss of missing anyone. Shaq Mason. James Farrance, coaching O-line in New York now. Is he?

Shout out. Coach Farrance. Coach Farrance. Well, his brother coached me. Oh yeah. My rookie year. Oh yeah. Well he was tight ends coach but I used to like,

I loved him. He always kind of looked out. What about the Bengals? Who's the Bengals prankster? The prankster? Is there a prankster? Gosh, I mean, I bring the energy a lot. Who's the team asshole?

The team, Trehan. Trehan. Who's the team asshole in New team, Trehen. Trehen, you're saying? Who's the team asshole in New England when you were there? Gosh. I mean, we didn't have a lot of assholes. I mean, you would yell at us. Tom would yell at us. I think the thing about New England

is you didn't have a lot of time to just be an asshole to people. You got to worry about yourself. The existential dread of walking into Gillette Stadium every day. Like, am I gonna get fired today? Maybe. I better have a good practice. I'll tell you that. I better have a good practice.

I've been pulled aside about three separate occasions in my early career. Teddy, you better have a good practice today. What does that mean? You might be fired. I've had them too. Had them too. Had them too. Well, Teddy, do we miss anything from this game?

No, thank you guys so much. This has been awesome, man. Man, everyone go check them out this year with the Cincinnati Bengals. They call them the Bengals. Bengals, right? And since they don't, the Bengals people call them Bengals. Like the, maybe on the West side.

Yeah. The West side of Cincinnati. Yeah.als? Like the Sint? Maybe on the west side. Yeah. The west side of Cincinnati? Yeah. Is that like the Kentucky side? No, no. It's just a unique and old side of a very, you know, a lot of tradition.

A lot of people have been there. Families have been there hundreds of years. Get them Bengals. And then everyone go out and check out the Sinsey Hat Project at sinseyhatproject.com. Check out Teddy K on IG. Teddy underscore K underscore 75 on IG. Unbelievable to see you. One of my favorite teammates.

It's been awesome watching your career through your journey of going to another team's, getting to play the game that we love so very much. And it's been fun watching you grow up. And I'm so happy that you're still doing it So happy became a father. You're probably a great father. We'll catch up more after this, but thanks for coming on Teddy Thank you big fan of the show. Love you, man. Love you, bro Man, that was awesome. Dude Teddy's the best not even trying to speak with hyperbole here. We're the nicest coolest

Dudes, we've ever just in general. What a guy, Ted is the man. Very smart guy. He really is. All linemen are pretty smart guys. Gives these cool hats. These are insane. Cincy hats. He snapped with these, bro.

Not even a cincy guy and I love this thing. All to great cause too. He's such a good dude. Excited for him to be a dad. And I'm excited that he's like, like he said with the Grunts story, like that's, he's a 10 year vet. Grunts don't be 10 years.

And old Teddy K. did. He keeps that chip on his shoulder the whole time. He said he doesn't have that much threat. His first couple years, he didn't have that much tread taking off. So man, it's, and he's just, it'll be exciting to see what he does after football, because he's so smart. Oh my God, he's already, whatever it is, he'll excel.

I just know it. We're not even there yet. We're not even there yet. We're on the Cincy hat. We're on the Cincy hat. Shout out to thecincyhat.com, benefiting the village of Mariche, like they just do incredible work. And they're dope hats.

Dope hats. Nothing like making a cool product that benefits something and goes to a good cause. But one quick thing before we wrap this thing up, got to shout out Ted, we didn't have time to talk about it, but I got to put some shine on him. The 2021 winner of the Harry Aganis Most Outstanding Athlete Award

from the American Hellenic Educational Progressive Association. That's Greeks, right? Yes, that's Greeks. He told us about that. Yeah, and the winner before Ted, Yanis Antetokounmpo. He said that too, I think. Yeah, we didn't say it on air though. Oh, we didn't say it on air.

Yeah, we were chilling afterwards. Harry Aganis, he's the namesake of Aganis Arigatou. He didn't realize he was Greek. Karras? Probably. Yeah, the tracks, now that you say that. Shout out to, I had to put some shine on him, man man and stand up for the, when you win an award like that, you gotta put some shine on it. And then if there's anything Greek, we always gotta bring up Koudavides. So, I don't know if we talked about it, but we got to meet Koudavides. You met Nico Koudavides? Yeah, at Gronk's birthday party. I don't believe. No one meets Niko Koudavides unless you're

in the inner thigh circle. At the Gronk birthday party. Birthday dinner. Birthday dinner. And he was saying he does not want to do the show because his stories are for you guys. But he did give me some notes on things that we should talk about in the future.

I'm not going to say them here because I don't know if we can talk talk about in the future I'm not gonna say them here because they're I don't know if we can't talk about them in the future But so those Nico Kudavini stories are gonna stay lore one of the best which I loved and hated at the same time Like the fan of you guys and the Patriots Laura's like this is awesome. Thank you for not like keeping them your stories But as a producer of a show that does well with stories, I'm like fuck you Nico. I not doing this Oh, yeah, I'm not doing this at all. Yeah. Either way, respect. Cool guy.

Well, can I do one quick games with Nuthouse Lore? Yeah. So we shot a Nerf commercial with Teddy back in 2019 on YouTube, I don't know if it's listed or not, and it happened to be Jack's very first day working for what was then Coast Productions, now Nuthouse. That's right. Jack, what did you do on that day?

That day, we were over at Red Sky Studios, baby. That is in. Alston. Alston, Mass. Alston, Mass, stand up. You can see the Celtics, the training center across the highway there. I was on set.

I was scrambling around like you wouldn't believe, picking up darts, and knees sweeping them up Loading the blasters back up handing them to jewels I was I was and I was all over the place dark boy dark boy chicken of Ted said he is a grunt I was a grunt that Jack was a great all day, baby. Are you the nurse cares to the podcast? I might be I just remember meeting Ted first day first on the job, met Ted and then comes full circle. Today is actually my last day and I met Ted. I'm just kidding.

I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. Many more. But it was awesome. Yeah, Kyler was directing that thing. You were acting in it. Chase Winovich. Fuckin' Winnie.

Winno was in it. Man, we had some good... Teresa's Market. Teresa's Market. For lunch. I still remember the catering. Yeah. Shout out Lance. I remember. Awesome lore. Teresa's Market. Teresa's Market. For lunch, I still remember the catering. Yeah, shout out Lance too. That's how you know it's good. Lance was there.

I remember. Awesome lore. Teresa's Market, right? That's my spot. We had a whole conversation about our time in Boston last time. It's a good spot, I like it. It's great, I like, shout out.

You know what? Tyler put me on. I went back to Boston recently, and I've been low-key hatin' on the food. Little bit better. I ordered, like, not the food. I always hate on the Asian food there, usually. Just because I had bad on the food. Little bit better. I ordered, not the food, I always hate on the Asian food there. Usually, just because I had bad experiences.

Order from some random spot, and it was Lights House. Really? Forgot the name. Gotta look that up. Check the Door Dash orders. I gotta check the, I gotta check or the whatever we're sponsored by order.

Yeah. Oh. But, yeah, the food has been kind of slapping in Boston. We got some great Italian too. That place you took us to was very good. Oh, Reno's. Yeah, Reno's. Yeah, it's so good.

All-timer. Yeah, we had to go to Reno's. I wish I could have eaten more. I think we talk about Reno's like six or seven times in this place. I got to take the team. I think they got the best lobster ravioli in fucking Boston.

That's right. I like the, what was it, the pesto chicken thing? No, that was the pesto eggplant. Oh, that was incredible. That was so good. That was so good. The gnocchi was really good too. It was all fucking great.

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first one off here? Yeah. Read them off Bobby. This is from Brian Kemet on YouTube. I'd love a segment on any quote dangerous things players aren't allowed to do while under NFL contract Either in season or out of season like ride a motorcycle. Well, they can specifically negotiate or they can specifically Put in things like motorcycle if they know that person is a motorcycle driver But they have one thing that covers everything. If you get hurt doing something other than football, you could lose your money. So if there's a collectivity, anything.

If you get hurt, yeah. Shout out Dustin Penner. So like skiing, parachuting, this, that, you know, playing basketball. Pickup ball. If you get hurt, technically, they don't have to pay you. What about training? If it's like... See, that's where the gray area is because you're trying to better yourself for the sport because I've hurt myself in training. But they covered that. Okay.

But if you're going to, you know what I mean? But it's kind of a gray area unless they specifically say it in certain things and certain people's contracts Because remember drew came on here and said he wouldn't skiing even though he wasn't supposed to yeah Oh, yeah, I forgot about that. You know what I mean? So like in theory you could be like dude Skydiving is part of my training routine Yeah, right the whole point Okay, that's interesting. Do you know of any specific instances where you came across people getting shortened things like put in their contract that they

can't do like Chris Hogan can't play lacrosse I don't I didn't no one talked about that stuff okay you know like maybe JPP no firecrackers fourth of July the GM calls him up you doing over there JPP what'scrackers? Fourth of July the GM calls him up, what are you doing over there JPP? What's on tap for today? Man, I get so scared whenever I light the fireworks now. Because of that. Fireworks are dangerous man. And my dad used to say it all the time,

blow your fingers right off. Frank was right. It will. Oh my God. Stick to the sparklers sparklers Say for all you want to get into the next one next one from I don't know the danger stuff I know we love you do anything Business I'm not gonna blow up anyone's pop at the irony of this coming this episode. Oh

Yes Sorry, oh my goodness No, this is the Ted Kierst episode. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh wait cuz we went on a dirt bike ride. Yeah. Oh my goodness. What? No, this is the Ted Kieris episode. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, oh, because we went on a dirt bike ride? Yeah. Oh gosh.

Forgot about that. We didn't go on a dirt. It was like we were on a super 73. It was a simulation. It was like a Travis Pastrana backflips. Yeah, right. Boy, did he not know how to drive it. Oh my goodness.

That's surprising to me. Nothing like some good old peer pressure. I could lie too. Yeah, dry dirt bikes. You see what I'm saying? I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm not going to lie. I'm's surprising to me. Nothing like some good old peer pressure. I could lie too. Yeah, drive dirt bikes.

You see, he treats me like an older brother or something. He's very nervous about peer pressure coming here. Yeah, I know. I will not put into Julian's peer pressure. He folded like a lawn chair. Next, we have a YouTube comment question from Jelly899. Do you get paid extra for appearing in the TV network's pre-game hype videos like they have leading up

to the Super Bowl or other big games? What do you mean? Like when you're like in uniform, like holding a ball on like Sunday night football and you're like, oh I'm looking cool No, does that happen before the game or does that happen beginning the season that happens? usually The week you're still at your home stadium

So For the Super Bowl right when you get to the end of the Super Bowl you get there a week early You have like a day dedicated for certain guys For the Super Bowl. For the Super Bowl. Right when you get to the Super Bowl, you get there a week early. You have like a day dedicated for certain guys to go do media obligations for the networks. That's just like a green screen, like in a room. It's like a green screen. They'll bring in a group of guys.

We do it pre-season for our team individual stadium stuff and like what our team uses. And then you kind of do that same thing but for The network whoever is hosting it and the NFL that week. So you do that before the week. You don't get paid extra That's part of your contract now What about for just like a regular like Sunday Night Football because they do some media stuff for that too Is that beginning of the year? That's beginning of the year and like NBC will come in and shoot with some people No, you do like that our team team I think our team's project production will take stuff for

NBC or NBC CBS for Fox because they know the schedule and that's your media day yeah cuz you do it like four different for you do it for like different things that's cool yeah that's all pre I was like seeing in that one there's a guy that like, his drip will be a little different than it would be like on field. So you can always tell who didn't go to those days because they have the same one from the year before. They just, you look at Brady, I think his is from like eight years ago. He had to finally do a new ones when he went to Tampa.

But what about the old like Monday Night Football where it's like you just like it's the cutout and you say your name, you say where you're from. Ray and university. Yeah, so you do that that day. You do that that day. Oh, before the season. Before the season.

Oh wow, so you got to play in your joke high school like pretty early. Yeah, you gotta go early with it. You say Kent State? I gave him a couple, I said college, I never used him though. I never thought about it going into like, I was thinking about the team we were playing, you know what I mean? Yeah. But like, I never thought about it going into, I was thinking about the team we were playing,

you know what I mean? But I never thought about it where, I think I did College of San Mateo for one. Kent State, and then I just did Redwood City. Then I just did one that said Tai K. Mate. What's that? I think it's Fight Till Death, and either Simone or-

So cool. But it was something we all used to say at our football teams back in the bay. We like I came out I love that cold So like we would we made it kind of like a figure of speech like you're part of Taipei Monte That's time and there was anyone being like what the fuck is that just say you're gonna Can you just say Kent State asshole you do Kent State last yeah, you do that even the straight line one last Yeah, the guy behind. Yeah, the guy behind. Oh, can you just say Ken State asshole? No, you do Ken State last. Yeah, you do the, give him the straight line one last. Yeah, you go, the Ken State University.

Oh, you, because you know they're going to keep that. So, but you get off like five or six. Get some phones like, all right, cool, slappy. Julian Edelman, Redwood City. Julian, Redwood City, 49ers. It's like the guy in Picture Day, the guy taking it in school and he's like, all right, just get the one I can show your mom

and you'll actually buy it. Did you get a haircut for Picture Day? That's the thing, sometimes you'd be fully off blast. No. Just catch off guard. Yeah, so you go up in the locker room or you go up in the bathroom and everyone's getting all cleaned up and stuff

for the fucking stupid shit we got to do Oh shit, it's picture day. Yeah, so you see guys getting all cleaned up It's always funny when like a guy will be in there and they show like the full body when he's like just wearing sneakers in His full jersey. Yeah, you guys always like a lot of times you don't wear pads. It looks so goofy. Yeah We didn't wear pads. Yeah, we love that because it sucks putting those pads on Jerseys, it looks goofy. It's hilarious. Should we get to another one here? That was a good question.

Let's do one more. Okay. Um, this is a, um, this is a comment from a silent swag. Also YouTube, also YouTube, cool username. I have a potential question. This is practice related in any sport. Practice is perfect. Are there practices, are practices different on?

Slash offseason early slash late season and what exactly is practiced certain plays creating a play the team slash player likes When do you merge in quotes wide receivers with the QB and O line? I never played football. I'm just curious. Thank you Instead of doing that whole thing. That's a lot. Yes practices are different between offseason offseason early season late season I'd like you want to dive into more on when our units when does wide receiver go to offense go to? Full team like what is the differentiation there different like periods for it changes usually Team to team but it's all pretty much similar usually teams will stretch it and get a dynamic warm-up as a team or first usually you have three hours on the grass run us through the three hours in

the grass as fast as two hours on the two hours on the grass. There's some amount of hours, it's like two and a half hours, it's two and a half hours on the grass, but you can only have a certain amount of periods and a certain amount of practice time. So what you do is, you get to the grass early and you walk through, offense and defense will be on different fields and we'll be walking through what we're doing that specific day. If it's Wednesday it's usually early downs, first

and second downs. So we'll just say it's Wednesday. If it's Thursday it's third downs and move the field and Friday's red area and it's kind of a little bit of everything, like fast Friday. So Wednesday, you get there, you walk through your first and second downs that you just installed in the three hours of meetings you had before. So the coaches always say this in the front of the day, the top of the day. They'll say, hey, let's bring the classroom to the drills,

the drills to the seven on seven, the seven on seven to the team. And that's kind of how the practice goes. So you get in, you do your walkthrough, you walk through every kind of damn play you're probably going to do. So you're putting that in your head. It's giving you confidence.

You're getting a mental walkthrough rep on a look that you're probably gonna see in practice. You're cementing things into your brain through walkthrough. And it's usually like the scout team on the other side or it could be coaches on the other side because we're walking through. And that's where the Ernie cards come in play, where we're walking through all the plays before practice.

The scout team guy will go up to the scout team, put up the card and say, hey, guys, this is it. And then the offense comes out. And then on the other field, the defense is doing the same thing, but with defense emphasized. And then you come together and like the back five minutes of that, special teams get to walk through. So that day could be kickoff, kickoff, return. So kickoff and kickoff, return. So kickoff and kickoff return will go over their installation of what they went through through the 30-hour meeting that they had before practice and they walk

through how they're gonna do it. That could be a drill, that could be an emphasis on whatever the scheme is for that week. They'll do the exact plays that they're gonna do in practice. Then we come together as a team, we do a dynamic warm-up stretch, and then we get, then you go to in after that you have like usually like a offense and defense will break up and the offense will do some kind of Warm-up drill but that emphasizes that week's game plan So we would do like a no huddle half speed Still warming up quarterbacks haven't warmed up yet But still have but still getting stuff that we need to emphasize for that week

We do like a walk through or a NASCAR of all the plays One group would do a play the next group would do a play and we'd go run and still warm it up You do the bags with coach Ivins and you do that and then we go in the quarterbacks warm-up in One part of the offensive field the linemen go at the lin, usually scar and do what they do with like their punch techniques and warm them up. They usually always had the plates that they used to warm up a lot, like, like actually have to do crazy shit. The running backs would go with the Ives and do their warm

ups, they would do more bags and stuff. And the receivers, we would do our cone drills, warm up our cuts. Coach O'Shea, usually we would start with, you know, your get off, just a receiver stance, get off, catch ball. You know, and then we go into like, you know, a top of a curl route, a box drill where you're emphasizing out cuts. You know, you run, there's a box, boom, five yards, six yards apart.

It's not a real straining drill, but it's an emphasis drill on how you're supposed to cut at the top of your routes. And at the end of that box, you'd be on the sideline. So you'd do a sideline tap. There'd be like some sort of maybe distraction drill. If we were dropping balls or something, he'd work in. Anything that he felt we needed to practice on maybe

we were having a lot of in cuts that week so we were doing in cut emphasis we always work on that return route because that's a that's a kind of a tricky route that guys get fast on include like me I would get fast on that route and you know there's a real coaching point where you stick that foot to the the quarterback so you really get that weight distribution. Like we would do the tops of those things to get us warm. And then we would, after that, that's like 10, 15 minutes. So we've already been on the field for probably like 35 minutes.

Then you get a 10 minute period with the quarterbacks and you go routes on air. You know, so you'll go through your game plan. No defense or defense? No defense. Defense is doing the same stuff, but for defense is stuff on the other field. Okay.

You know, so this is where all the skill guys kind of get together and there could be routes on air that week. Cause usually early down day, that's a Wednesday we're talking about. There could be some field like big comebacks off of big play actions or something like that first and second down. Like different routes that we're not always accustomed to running or

could be a game plan route. We'll all have our spot and Tom would pick our X's over here, F's over here, Z's here, running backs here, we're all together. Tom would call the play. All right, I got the X, zero outside, no, no, no, no. He'd call his play. We'd run that, and then the other quarterbacks could hit a different guy. But Tom would pick the guy he'd want to throw to, you know what I mean?

Because that was the throw he'd want. And we'd do a series of those. And then after that, we're warmed up we had individual period we had kind of a group period then then a special teams period would would come in and all and then in between those practices we may have had some kind of emphasis for receivers there could have been a special screen footing or something we'd go work with Chad and the quarterbacks or the quarterback would go work with the linemen as well to do blitz pickup.

They're working on blitz schemes and stuff. There's always work within the work. So we're not technically in on period because it's special teams but we're still working things in between. And then after that we come together. That's when it's one-on-one periods. So linemen are with the linemen. That's the first introductory to defense and offense. So you're already like six periods in. You've been getting the lather in. Totally lathered. This is when you need to be up because we're going one-on-ones.

Receivers, DBs, they're going one-on-ones, receivers DBs, they're going one-on-one, tackles ends, guards tackles, linebackers are going one-on-ones with the running backs, it's one-on-one period, you know what I mean? So it's kind of like, this usually is the kickstart to the day. How is it gonna be? First one-on-one-on-ones, you gotta win

because it sets the whole tempo of the drill. It could set the tempo for the fucking practice because it's a competitive period. The DBs are trying to fucking stuff you. That's how our practices were. And then we do one on ones and then after one on ones, there would be some, before before that thrown in there, one of those periods, there's like a ball security drill.

So talking about what do we practice, there'd be some kind of ball security drill we'd do. There could also be an open field tackle drill that would be incorporated in those first six periods. But after we get to those one on ones, we go to seven on sevens and then there's like inline run with the offense and defense line linebackers, or offense-defense line,

they do their own little seven-on, or nine-on-seven, or whatever they do. And the skill groups would go do seven-on-seven, and that would be like scripted period. We'd already walked through that before practice, right? We've already kind of done those emphasis in the drills that we did that day right so it's all emphasizing to get to the seven on seven so now we're executing as a team we warmed up on our one-on-ones we did all our warm-ups as team now it's seven on seven so then we go into that we want to have a great period no balls on

the ground we want to win the fucking period because it carries over the next fucking period. And then after that, we may have one, maybe two of those, but that's usually one period. And then we have like three teams. And then in between those, there's like special teams. Now each period goes from like six to like seven minutes. So it's real efficient. So you're going from this stuff to that stuff, to that stuff, because we have only a certain amount

of dedicated time that we can be on the field in our collective bargaining agreement. So when we get to those teams, it's like, all right, now we're going against, there could be one team period, or usually we're going against scout team on those, on those periods. 11 on 11. 11 on 11. 11 on 11, team, scout team, defenses on one side,

we're on the other, we're going against each other, right? So there's usually like three teams. At the end of that, we would sometimes have like a competitive period would be ones on ones. Oh nice, best on best maybe. Yeah, and you know, on a Wednesday, if we were doing shitty in the red area, or we were doing shitty in like third down,

you know, we would go and coach would say, fucking, all right, ones ones, competitive period, third down, we would go in and we'd practice third down early in the week, just to get a head start on it when we know the day's Thursday or Friday. Or we usually go over two minute, Monday was a bit or Wednesday was a big two minute. What we like to run in two

minute at the end of practice also can help condition us. And after all the teams are done, we had special teams, there's probably like four or five special teams periods. We go, we would condition to like the Hill like six, seven times, five, six times, depending on what time of the year it was and how much we really needed. And then you come up as a team and that's practice. Then after that you have 50 or 45 minutes to either get some food, get a little treatment, and then we go, or it could be 30 minutes,

and then you go right into watching practice. You watch the whole practice. As a team or with a group? Coach could have seven plays that he highlighted. Belichick, team meeting, he could have seven plays from that practice that he highlighted. Maybe in the, you know, the one-on-one, two one-on-ones, three one-on-ones that he highlight and sit and go over

on good example of what to do bad example of what to do coaching point that we talked about then he go into like You know seven on sevens Maybe a young guy did something good that he struggled on early bill would highlight look at good job on this You worked hard this week, you know Even and when guys got called on that stuff, that like made your life, like those practices. Like if Bill highlighted you as a young guy,

that made your life. Oh man, I can't even imagine. You know what I mean? Then he'd jump into like, every once in a while you get a little something fun in there. You know, maybe like one of the coaches got hit in the head on the sideline by the ball, you know. Maybe he already cracked his head open.

Something like that that and Bill would rewind it like ten times it look hey Ives you got to keep your head on a swivel huh? You know get hit in the head with the fucking man when you're working that hard in the days were that long you got to mix in the fun yeah it wasn't a lot of that but there was those every once in a while I'm so glad we picked a quick question I had like ten questions after that too I'm sorry I'm so glad we picked a quick question. I had like 10 questions after that too. I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We should do a whole post game on like a day in the life, like a single day and we just

do that again. I'm so down. But you'll put a bone at arrival to exit. What was the times looking like usually? You got there super early. I got there super early, but to be there, eight is a team meeting, or 7.45 was start the day right. So we had to be there 7.45 till we would get out at 4.30.

Okay. So it's, you know, that's what you, you also had to get like a workout in. There's also stuff that wasn't mandatory to be there, but was kind of mandatory, but you do on your own hour. Yeah Well, that was the chill zone Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light get Coors Light delivered straight through your door visit Coors Light comm slash Gwn celebrate responsibly that's been another game

It sure has Indeed what a game. Thanks again to Ted Karras. Fucking awesome to catch up with him. Still active, still doing it. Gotta stay healthy. Go Bengals. Come on, baby. Bengals offensive line. Hootay. Yeah.

Just the offensive line? I wanna see, yeah, I wanna see them do. I like parody. It'd be a fun team to see in the playoffs. I'd love to see the Bengals. They gotta be in the playoffs. They're the chief killers. I wanna see it. No, they're not. That was three years ago. I know but they're not. Okay.

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