Games with Names - Terrell Suggs on the Steelers vs. Ravens Rivalry

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

Terrell Suggs is in studio! The Ravens legend is with us to go inside one of the NFL's most bitter rivalries: Ravens vs. Steelers. We're breaking down the Week 1 clash from the 2011 season.  (00:00) We kick things off. (00:41) T Sizzle joins us on the couch. (39:14) We go back to September 2011. (47:55) We dive into these rosters. (1:04:43) We get into the game. (1:23:42) We score it. (1:34:05) We wrap it up by pulling back the curtain on what life during the playoffs is like for an NFL player. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Down in Charm City. Boom. One shot, one take. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time in any sport. On today's episode, we are covering week one of the 2011 season of the AFC North Division

and rivalry between the Ravens and the Stillers. the two-time Super Bowl champ, Ravens Legend, and the man they call T. Sizzle, Terrell Suggs. Let's call it. Games with Names of Production of IHeart Radio. Welcome to Games with Names. We have a very special guest today.

We have a very special guest today. Okay, we're going to sit here and we're going to talk about a week one 2011 regular season game. Ravens versus Steelers. AFC North battle with Terrell Suggs. Suggs, welcome to the Nutt House. In one sentence, in one sentence,

why did you pick this game? I can't sum it up in one. It's the Steelers. How about that? It's the Steelers. Any game versus the Steelers, especially in the AFC North, is going to be one of those games.

When you can hit. Now you can't really hit no more. Truth. Truth. The game is evolved. I wouldn't say evolved. I wouldn't say evolve. It's changed.

It's changed. It's definitely changed. Yeah. Is this the greatest game of all time? Mines or in the sport? You answer it how you won't answer it. The sport, yeah. This is definitely the greatest game of all time.

In the sport. Yeah. Yeah. I would say that. Yeah. I would say the sport is the greatest game. But everybody know soccer, football is like the biggest sport. No, I'm talking about this specific game,

Week 1. Steelers versus Ravens. Week 1. Is this the greatest game of all time? Yes. Yes, absolutely. And, you know, you get one of two meetings right out the way. And it's when you're at your freshest.

Week 1, most definitely get it out the way. And it's on your home field. So the odds are forever in your favor. I like it. I like it. So what's life looking like these days? Man, just waking up early, going to bed late. new baby you know what I'm saying you know and he thank you and you know you named dash running running

things he running things man so I'm not sleeping much but I'm enjoying life yeah I'm enjoying it you get to be dad man got to be the best job in the world you also a 16 year old who's six 3 170 pounds yeah like eats that's all he do is eat is how's it being a sports dad are you sports dad yeah big sports dad my daughter's going to terry singer year She's six, two. Wow. She is six, two. She's a senior in St. Francis in Baltimore,

and she's about to go off to college, too. So we're going to have to pick one of those soon. What does she play? Basketball. Monster. Monster. That's got to be, I think it's like the most excitement I get, and my kids only eight playing soccer.

Uh-huh. But, like, watching your kids try hard at something and progress at something is like, that's like the same feeling I got on, field them. Man, it's like you get to really be a true fan. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

You like really invested in this person. You know what I'm saying? So when they have a bad game, you have in a bad game. Yeah. You know what I mean? So yeah, like it is really good. And, you know, with my daughter, she have really, she have more good games than bad. But my son, yeah, you know, sometimes he, I'm like, dude, what are you doing?

What are you out there doing? You know what I'm saying? But sometimes I'd be like. okay you're the boy holding up the name he living up to the name but yeah but my daughter she she she gets that ball in the block because she's six two he's just gonna score now do they feel a pressure of being t sizzles kids no it just no maybe like um my daughter was like you're not the most famous one in the family no more i am you know what i'm saying so like like my daughter's like yeah it's my turn now like you know she they don't have no pressure of being my

like it. It's like, I'm going to be known for being their dad. You know what I'm saying? Them not being my son or daughter. The apple doesn't fall too far from the tree. Yeah, I don't fall too far for the tree. But I love the competitive nature. I love it. Now, are you watching football these days? I am. I am. More college. You know what I'm saying? Because, you know, college is very entertaining. And NFL is just, you know, you can kind of predict who's going to win. You know what I mean? You don't want nothing like WWF. You know what I mean? Like, oh, I know somebody who, you know which teams is better than which teams, you know what I'm saying? You kind of got to get with college.

You never know. You never know. You never know. You never know. College is so much entertaining to me, you know what I'm saying? And, you know, they got the NIL deals now, but before they had that, you know, college was the last pure form of football. Everybody's bringing home the same.

You know what I'm saying? So you got a good product with that. But, you know, the NFL, you get, they're going to market, who they want to market. And it's all about quarterbacks and you got. now receivers. That's dominating the game. They want to light it up. I felt like he gave me a look right there.

I'm disgust. No. When he said that. It's about y'all. It's about, they said the fans want to see touch now. So defense, y'all can't hit. You can't touch at the five yards. Don't you dare tackle a quarterback or breathe on them.

Don't you dare breathe on our quarterbacks. Like, the game's changed. No, I agree. I talk about it. it on Fox all the time. Like, how are you, how are you expect defense to play defense? You got to, you got to,

we're already got a tough job. You know what I'm saying? We got to stop the fastest, most athletic people in the world already. Backwards. And now it's like, now they wanted to do it with our hands tied behind the bag. Like, no, you can't touch

at the five yards. You know what I'm saying? Oh, you definitely can't hit if they go, like, remember, we used to live off day. You hit a guy coming slip, slipping across the middle. He's like, oh, I'm going to catch him slipping. Yeah.

I'm going to catch him slipping, come across his middle, and I'm going to get my highlight, and it's going to be all over ESPN. Oh, ain't none of that no more. I was on two highlights from you guys. I mean, you know, that AFC, man. That AFC is brutal. Bro, what time I got hit by Ray in the red area, I start walking to the other sideline, Helodi Nata says, hey, buddy, your sidelines that way.

Oh, yeah. Like, you're going the wrong way. I don't know if it was your rookie year. or your second year when we played y'all in the playoff? That was rookie year. Oh, my God. Me and Ray got you so good. I got the pitcher.

I was like, because you know, y'all always been the big dog. Y'all was kind of like bullying the AFC that run. Like 10 years, like 10 years a long time to be up top. And it's like, we're not going to throw this ball. We're not giving that offense any time to touch this muffin. I think we threw the ball in that playoff game like 12 times. Yeah. Like 12 times.

That's it. Everything else, we run in Ray Rice. That was it. You guys went 85 out the gate. Like, yeah, we went 85 out the gate. First play of the game. Gone. Gone.

And that was like, like, you know, you want to win your games, but we didn't think that was going to happen. Come on now. We didn't either. We didn't think that was going to happen. I was like, whoa. We got set up. We fell for the banana in the tailpipe.

Then two years later, back at the scene of the crime, we like, oh, we've played playoff games at Fosbarrow before. It's no problem. Oh, no, no. They had some fours that time. Because that double pass. That was loaded. That was when y'all was loaded.

We had the formations. Y'all had them, y'all had them two tight ends. Tight ends. Like, it was like, all right, and it could only cover one. So the other guy, we're going to have to double or triple or something.

You know what I'm saying? And you, like, y'all, y'all was loaded. Y'all was loaded, man. I always talk about those is some of the toughest games. I mean, that hit when you guys hit me, if we would have won that game miraculously somehow, I don't think I would have played the next week because I had J-Lo booty.

I got a hematoma on my ass. That was so, I literally my left butt cheek was like this big. I couldn't sit down or fly for two weeks. It was a great game, man. It was a great game. I don't know. I think y'all had like a key person out. Welker.

Yeah. He had 130 catches. Yeah. We had somebody out. So it was like, all right, he's out. They only got him. So we're going to do, we're going to have Ed and we're going to do everything with him. And we got the run.

You know what I'm saying? You know, I'm saying? That was our game playing whenever we played you. Was it run the ball? No. It was like we, everything that we've done in the run game this year, scrap it. You're not going to run the ball against the Baltimore Indians. That we was built to like stop the run.

But like the high flying. offense that everybody doing and see now, like it started with y'all. Like getting that ball out quick, boom, you know, y'all started the evolution of like having the smaller receivers route you up in the slot. Like, all of that.

Like, that was a great time for football. But like I said, it was dominated by y'all so everybody else couldn't really share in the glory. It was just like everything is always going to have to go through Foxborough. It's like, it's the most difficult place to win in a

playoff setting. You know what I'm saying? So it wasn't difficult for them though. They won two of them. We only won two. That's not a lot. That's not a lot. That is a lot. That is a lot. We didn't lose in Foxborough unless Baltimore was there. Y'all didn't. Like, I guess, I guess having two wins, two playoff wins in Foxborough is pretty big. Now that I'm thinking about it. Yeah. As a fan man, no one scared me more than the Ravens, man. God, I don't care where you're playing. It was like, if you, we got in the playoff, we were a different table. Like, all of a sudden, we were healed. It was like everything that's aching and hurting that you've been dealing with all year. You get through that, like we're getting that second season, January football, or we heal.

All we need is a little deer antler. We're healed, guys. Oh, that's a shot. That's a shot. A little spray. That is a myth. Accusation. I never even heard of death.

You never heard of it says like, oh, deer amply marvellously heals people. You know what I'm saying? I had to throw it in there. Yeah, you had to throw it in there. I understand. Oh, my God. Let's get it. Let's get back to college, though.

Mm-hmm. You watch a lot of college football. You went to ASU. You got a couple dudes in the league. Scataboo. Yeah. I thought of Scatterboo. I love him.

I love him. Could he be in a good mentality? Could he have been a good raven? He'd have been a great raven. Yeah. Because you can also use him as like the dual back. Like, you know what I mean? You can line him up.

I think you can line him up. He's a running back. But you could align him up at, fullback and have kind of like the pony look, you know, the two running back, Camer Ray, right? Definitely. With a why. Definitely.

He definitely could have. I like his mentality, the way he plays as an offensive player. You know what I'm saying? When you got an offensive player to kind of have like a defensive mentality that loves confrontation, which is, you know, to be physical like that, like Anquan Bowden was like that. He was an offensive player that had a defensive mentality. You know what I'm saying?

That was very aggressive. Like, you love those guys. Those are your favorite guys, especially us as defense. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. Who are some of the current, who are some of current guys in the league right now that you're like, I respect their game?

You're talking about, like, offensive defense. Anyone? What do you watch? What do you watch when you're watching? I watch the game. Like, I get to be a fan. I get to be a civilian and, like, actually watch. Even though they just beat us, I love Amor Ross St. Brown.

Monster. I love that kid. I love his game. I hate Jamar Chase. I love his dad. I hate Jamar Chase because he's so good. Like, he's a lot of him. He's just like Tom.

Like he's one of those dudes like, oh, he was on my team. Like, I can, I can bet the house, you know, that we're going to score. We're going to do some stuff. But playing against him, you hate him. Oh, my God, Jamar Chases. Like, I hate the kid because he's so good. And I think he was averaging like 233 yards on us last year. That's crazy.

Like, you play, like, you have a good first game. You go into the second game like, yo, he's not going to touch this motherfucker. I'd be surprised if he finishes. Like, if we don't knock him out the game, I'd be surprised. No, he wouldn't get, he had two games for 200 yards receiving. That's, that's crazy. That's bad. That's terrible.

That's crazy. Like, but you can't, and it wasn't like it was just some Joe blow on the street. Like, dude, dude's top three. Dude is top three receiver in the league right now. Easy. Easy. And because he can do everything. He can do everything.

He can go up and. 50-50. He can hit you in the screen game, which probably not against you guys, because you guys are, I don't know why you always got screens. We couldn't run screens on you. We couldn't run the fucking ball on. What could we? How come you get on screens? We always were looking for it because that's usually when a play broke. It's like a screen, like a screen you totally didn't expect to see. And you get hit with a screen and it gets out the gate. It's out the gate. I remember Demarius Thomas. it was like opening the way after we beat them and we played them in their opener man he ran a screen on us he must have went for like 80 yeah like I was just like oh my god like are we not

are we not tackling the night you know what I'm saying like screens screen the whole you got to always look for them yeah always you got always be aware of screen because you can get knocked out if you don't if you don't react to a screen at time now do you I I think you were so good at screens personally because you're getting a guy's best every play. Uh-huh. And so if you, for whatever reason, weren't getting a guy's best, he was trying to set you out.

You have a red flag. Sums up. Definitely. Sums up. Like, my favorite was like when they try to use to do the tight-end screens. They used to have a tight-end block you, but he's not coming out at you like he normally does. Like, oh, you try to do a screen.

I'm going to pick this one. You know what I mean? And it's like also I love screen. because it could be the only time I get the ball. Like, I've picked off a couple of screens. You know what I'm saying? I picked them off. You know what I mean?

And it's like, yeah, I get to get some picks. You know what I mean? Go to the zone. You know what I mean? So I was always like kind of into, like, I always wanted to like know when the screens come so I can like pick it. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, 1,000 percent.

And where did all this football IQ come from your whole team, especially with you, like with your approach of football? You were a dominant football player in the run game, in the past game, but you were also such an intelligent player. How did you approach the game? Because of our leadership, man. Like, I played with two of the best football minds ever in history. You know what I'm saying?

One, I sat next to for 15 years. You know what I'm saying? Every since I got in the building, I sat next to Ray. And it wasn't because, like, oh, like, it didn't start like, oh, I'm going to sit next to Ray Lewis. So I could pick his brain on the game. He sat on the back wall and you can go to sleep. You know what I'm saying? Like coaches is at the front.

But no, he's so, he's so, like, passionate about ball. You ain't going to get no sleep back there. He talked about ball the whole time this and that, setting this up, that way when we come back and we play these guys and then like, he like got the whole season mapped out. I'm like, dude, I'm just trying to get through the day. You know what I'm saying? But they, like, Ray and Ed, they was like,

they just were football brilliant. And you know what I'm saying? They were born and that's who they were. Football players, you know what I'm saying? So, like, far as, like, the game as a whole, like, Ray taught me, you know what I'm saying? I also picked it up from Adelaus Thomas. He was a huge mentor to it for me. And, but, like, coverages and understanding, like, route concepts, it, like, it has a mind.

Like, I didn't even know, like, defense could player can know, like, offense like that. You know what I'm saying? Like, Air Reid was brilliant. like as far as like I said, route concept, what this guy is going to do with the coordinator, what they're setting up, what they want to do,

like, all right, they're going to come to you because I got to go help over on Andre Johnson type of, like, I'm like, damn,

he like knew, and then they will come and do it. You know what I'm saying? And like, if the guy didn't believe in, he usually paid for it. You know what I'm saying? Like you have to,

when those guys are talking, you're paying attention, you know, especially on Sunday. But like, in practice, those guys had their handful because, you know, we were a little fucked up.

You know what I'm saying? Everybody know, like, the Ravens, those guys, like they kick out, but they all are a little special. You know what I'm saying? So our leaders, like, they had to, like, keep us, like, look, don't play, like, give us five plays before y'all start fucking around. You know what I'm saying?

Because, you know, the locker room, we big-ass kids, man. Big-ass boys, you know what I mean? Like just the boys are real life, like, tree house, you know, club house. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But rich kids.

Yeah. You're in there just having a ball. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I don't, I had a 17 year career and I could say I didn't work a day in my life. You know what I'm saying? Because it was hands down, like, you didn't, it wasn't work to us. You know what I'm saying? You're out there with your boys.

And it's like we weren't on the field. We're in the locker room playing cornhole. You know what I'm saying? Or ping pong or whatever game is in there now. You know what I'm saying? When I went to Kansas City, they had a basketball hoop in there. Now, we weren't allowed to play like, fast, you know what I'm saying?

But we were in there having fun. You know what I'm saying? So it's kind of, it's like just the atmosphere, man. Like, when I was on those teams, like, I see why certain teams win and certain teams don't. You know what I'm saying? And it's definitely because that culture, the atmosphere and, like, ours was like dope, man.

It's, it's like, it's kind of like y'all's, like, you know, once a patriot, always a patriot for you real patriots. You know what I'm saying? and not the guy that came in for two years and stole a ring. You know what I'm saying? Like those guys, those don't count. Congratulations, got your ring. But you're not really a patron.

But it's like raving. Like, you got to be a raving through and through. You know what I'm saying? And if you is one of us, it's like the fraternity. You're always going to be one of us. 1,000 percent. And it was portrayed anytime you played them. You guys could tell that you had a tight brotherhood in the locker room on the field.

You guys were always in unison, always on a line together on defense. and yeah man it was good man it was a good time man like i i look back at it like with regret because i didn't take it i took it for granted you know i'm saying like you always think like oh we're always going always going to play with each other yeah you know what i'm saying and when you're young you're stupid you know what i'm saying you think you're going to be young and stupid forever you know what i'm saying it's like oh no this is going to be life forever like no bro this ends you get old and then your kids come up and try to think they're the ones now you know what i'm saying I still never get over that.

Like, I was playing, like, basketball against my daughter, like, last year. And she, like, blocked my shot and went and told everybody. She was like, yeah, I blocked my dad. Like, I'm the one now. Like, getting dunked on by daughter. Like, my daughter, she just swears. She's the one now. Like, but I think she is.

She definitely got something. She definitely had it in that direction. But, yeah, man, we get old. We do get old. We get old. T. Cisell, I got a question for you, man. Go ahead. You talked about earlier.

guys that are really raven's like what does that mean to be a raven man it's a it's the same thing it's it's the same thing as being a page that like you see why you know certain teams win like i said it's because of the culture and you know it's kind of like the um the the the herb brooks thing you know the name on front of the jersey is more important than the name on the back sick reference that's raven that's raven culture right there you know what i'm saying us as a whole is more important than the individual and you know it's like where you have that kind of accountability and respect to the man next to you. Like, that's when you, that's when you, the best comes out.

You know what I'm saying? When, like, we wasn't feared, like, yes, people feared Ray Lewis. People feared Ed Reed, you know what I'm saying? And Holody and myself, it likes. But we were feared as a whole, as a defense. You know what I mean? They, like, caused us, like, organized chaos because we had so many guys doing so many different things, you know what I'm saying?

No, for sure. And it's like, that's what. what Raven culture is, it's like being accountable to the man next to you. You know what I'm saying? Like, when you cross these right lines, ain't no play going to save you. I only thing can save you is the man next to you. It's like the boys you out there with. You know what I'm saying?

It's kind of like, you know, they do in the military. It's like when we out here, the only person we can depend on is the man next to me. It's the same thing. It's the same thing in that culture. And, you know, it started with J.O. and Ray. and a lot of us has been inducting into this fraternity. It's a flattering thing, man. And only the real organizations got that kind of culture.

You know what I'm saying? Ourselves, the Patriot, you got to give it to the Steelers. You know, they wanted them teams. Kansas City, they wanted them teams. Like, you can tell the teams. Niners? Yeah. That Niners are.

Niners. I respect the Rams. Yeah. Rams, the real people really fear the Rams. I don't think they, the only reason. I think because the Rams had jumped, like they went to St. Louis and back to L.A. But also special teams.

What about them? They don't have them. They don't, you're right. You're right. They got there. And how do you become a physical team? How do you become a physical team? You run the ball, you stop the run, and you cover,

and you do good in the kicking game. That was, that's what we were always taught at the Patriots. Yeah. And so, like, when they're kind of all over the place with that special. teams. Who's the Rams are? Rams are sometimes. They got lost a kick game.

You think of Eric Dickerson, you know what I'm saying? Like I can't, Orlando Pace, you know, Kurt Walter, Tori Holt, you know, them, Isaac Bruce. But like, that's kind of like it. Oh, Aaron Donald. Aaron Donald. Beast monster. Aaron Donald.

You know what I'm saying? They've been good for a while now. They've been good for a while. They're kind of there. Yeah. I don't like, you know, the, that when they went from. the Navy and the gold to like the lighter gold and the lighter blue now. Like, I'm a big fan of the, oh, you know, the Stephen Jackson. Yeah, the Stephen Jackson

Rams, you know what I mean? I don't like they new unions, but I got a nice stadium. Yeah. Man, I would love to play in, man. So five, me on prime time because like I like to play on prime time for groupies, you know what I mean? For the women, it's like, all right, like if I'm on TV, I need to have a good game. 100%. Got it. When the likes of the brightest.

You know, I mean, I'm being Houston or Miami, and I'd be like, oh, yeah, you sizzle, you know what I'm saying? Because I don't score a touchdown, and I'm wearing a helmet. So they're not going to know me. They, like, they know the offensive guys of the quarterback, you know what I'm saying? So if I was on prime time, it was my, I like, I got to have a good game. Time to shine. Got it. I got to get some work, you know what I'm saying?

Yeah, not as many back. It was strict, like, yo, like Baltimore has a lot to owe to women because I want the ball out because I want the ball out. because I liked the women. There you go. I wanted the groupie love. We all have. Straight up. That's a motivation.

I wanted the groupie love. You know, the motivation. I loved it. I loved it. No, so far is dope. Like, I was like,

whoa, I went to NFL honors there and I was like, now this is a stadium. Yeah. This is a stadium. Like, I think it's the best one.

Anything built in the last five, 10 years is elite. It's crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy. Mercedes though. Atlanta's dope. Insane.

Yeah. He's playing the Super Bowl down there. Yeah. Yeah. The Vikings got a cool stadium. The Raiders, new stadiums, elite. Yeah. The Vegas Stadium.

Yeah. I like Allegion. They just ain't got nowhere to park. Yeah. Like, it's horrible trying to leave. That's the only flaw. They didn't consider parking. Yeah.

They was like, oh, they go, what they say, go park at a hotel, which is $200 now. You know what I'm saying? And then just Uber over and that's another two. They have like an Uber lane to it, though, I think. There's an underground Uber lane that goes to. I didn't know that. I wasn't privy to that. I've heard that.

I don't know. Oh, man. I got somebody's got some questions. They got to answer some. I got some questions now. I got to walk back one time. I got a question. Yeah.

You were born in Minnesota, moved to Arizona for high school. Uh-huh. Who'd you like as a kid and who'd you model your game after? I loved the Minnesota Vikings. And I loved John Randall. Of course.

I love John Randall. John Randall, Chris Doman. You know, they was all part of the Tony Duny. defense. You know what I'm saying? They had Henry Thomas, Roy Barker, and they had Jack Dale Rio. Yeah, they had a team, man. They had a team. And I was a big Vikings fan. We got Randy in 98. You know what I'm saying? Randy. And you know, you know, I mean? They call it getting Moss, but, you know, us in the room, like, you can see it coming. It's like, oh, you're about to get Randy. Like, once he's getting at top speed, ain't no stopping. No stopping. Ain't no stopping.

Ain't no stop, but I'm like, Randy. And, you know, that's just a thing, man. So we got Randy. We thought 98. We thought that was going to be our first Super Bowl. But no, Atlanta knocked us out, dirty burden. That's always going to hunt me. I remember they talking about Anderson.

It was like he hasn't missed a kick in X amount of years. Why had left? And he kid. I remember that. I was so heartbroken. Oh, my God. I couldn't believe it. Did you?

Jerry Anderson. Did you take any moves from Randall? No, I wasn't as strong as him. Like him and both Reggie White both had that hump. You know what I'm saying? A hump you do? I mean, it's Reggie White's hump. But John Randall can also do it.

Yeah. So, no, I couldn't do it. And like, I remember I played against John Randall, like, my rookie year. And it was his last. He was in Washington. Like, I was just like, I'm in the NFL and I'm playing with you. I'm playing on the same field with John Randall. Yeah, so it was dope, man.

Like, I was a big Minnesota Vikings guy because they was known for defense. Maybe one of the best eye black guys all time, too. All one thousand percent. Oh, yeah, Brandon. Yeah. Now, explain what was your, what was your power? What was your go-to move when you're past Russian? What was it?

I would probably say stutter bull because it's like you got to set it up the whole time. Yeah, it's like you're trying to do speed and trying to do hand stuff. but when they shock, because they're bigger and stronger than you, you know what I'm saying? But they shock when you go and bam, hit them right in their face, how long style,

or you know what I'm saying? Mark Gastineau. Who our guy that did it? Mike McCrary. He was good at the Stutter Bull. He'd act like him to do something finesse and boom, run right into a guy. Yeah, I use it on light a couple times,

but I used that to get light with the post slot, the post chop. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? That playoff game when I, when we went up there and put that thing on y'all, you know, the one of the two times that we won. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah, I was giving, I was giving, like, that work. But he came back that next year. He came back that next year. That light, undersized. He undersized then, like, after I had that playoff game against, I was like, oh, I got him. Every time I play, every time I'm up here,

I'm going to have a great game. Oh, no, he shut that shit down. And he shut it down the next year, because that's when Tom hit me with the knee, like throw the flag on him. And then, and then the AMC championship. And that was my,

I was one defensive player in a year and a year. I remember. I was like, oh, ain't nobody stopping me. He did. Man, like, did. And I was like, oh, we're going up there to Foxborough. I'm going against Light. Last playoff game I had against him.

I had two or three. So I think I think we're pretty good. Uh-uh. Y'all had it. Y'all had us, man. Who else did you battle against? Jason Peters. But remember, like, I came in an era.

It was still the big, it was still the big legendary left tackle. So Walter Jones. Walter Jones. Walter Jones. Willie Roe. Willie Roe, Brian Shields, I mean, Will Shills and Brian Waters. That was the longest football game I ever had in my life. They kicked my ass on Monday night.

I think they had one of them games where they only threw the ball like 10 or tell times. and you're playing against three Hall of Famers and they run in the ball the whole time. Yeah. Like, oh, that was a long night for me. It was, like, y'all can go back to it. It was, I want to say, it was 2005. They had Pre's Holmes and Larry Johnson.

Oh, my gosh. And they was running that thing behind them Hall of Famers. They had our number that night. It wasn't no Raven defense. I think both of those backs probably went over a hundred. And we didn't give up 100-yard rushers. You know what I mean? Often.

But Willie Roof. Who else? I said Willie Roe, Walter Jones. Who else is big from that era? Marvell Smith was pretty good. I always forget this dude because I went to college against and we played in his college, but Levi Jones. Levi Jones, he was like the most athletic.

He was the most athletic tackle I've ever played against. You know what I'm saying? Because he was like a basketball player that converted to football. and like he used to kick my ass all in college. So I was like at one point, like I was like, all right, he ain't fin kick my ass no more. So I had to get my game up, you know what I'm saying? So I would say definitely like I owe a lot to like Levi for just, you know,

being who he was and being as competitive as he was. He didn't, he never wanted to lose. Like I never wanted to lose. You know what I mean? So Levi Jones and I always got to give Jason, Jason Peters his prize. So I don't think I ever got a sack on him. And he was undersized. He was like, he was like 6-2 or 6-3.

And you think like, oh, he's short. I'm going to just, I'm going to do what I won't win. Dude, he's like Tim Duncan. He was very fundamentally sound. And he was more athletic than he looked. Yeah. Yeah. Now, when you say I had to go back and I couldn't let him win everyone,

what do you have, what do you do when a guy locks you up one game? Yeah. Do you psychologically have to bring different things to your game? Do you physically got to work hard? Like, how do you get better when I have to own you? I have to go to his tape. Like, because, you know, it's the league. Everybody's going to get got once or twice.

You know what I'm saying? So I got to start watching the guys who are successful against his dude. And it's usually like a guy, it's usually like a guy that wasn't like a high pig. You know what I'm saying? He's just a tough dude. You know what I'm saying? So you got to go watch people in like in his division. You know what I'm saying?

Like guys that's playing, the guy that's playing behind the starter or some were probably giving them that work. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, those tough guys that's, that has to earn, you know what I mean?

They're like, I got to earn my food. Yeah. Like, ain't nothing given to me. Those dudes, like, you go watch their tape against them, those guys,

and that's how you'll end up getting. But I don't, I don't remember it ever working on Jason Peters. So, like, he's one of those guys that kind of had the sizzle number. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Dude. Not many of those dudes. Dude was solid. He had the scissors number. Yeah, he had the scissors number. Him and Whitworth. Witt. Witt.

It's huge. You know what I mean? It was like tough. And you couldn't, you couldn't bull rush him. You know what I'm saying? So you had to like strictly be, you know, Witt off,

get off, athletic ability and like counter. You know what I'm saying? Because you weren't going physically manhand him. I like you. I like it. Now, we'll jump in. We'll jump into the AFC North and we'll jump into the state.

Steelers. Yeah, let's do it. But before we do, how come you hated us so much? Because y'all won. Y'all, y'all won. Y'all dominated a decade. You know what I'm saying? Someone would say two.

Like, some would say too. You absolutely right. You are absolutely right. Like, like, what do you got? Six rings, seven rings? That'd have never be done in any sport ever again. Like, come on now. How come you guys always brought it to us?

Like, because you got a. understand we were like polar opposite y'all was like hey it's about the team you know y'all stuff we like uh-uh we lie out we we we about that action you know what i'm saying y'all was built on offense you know I mean y'all was known for your offense we know for our defense you know what I'm saying so and like i said y'all y'all y'all y'all all good looking guys guys dating supermodels and stuff you he dating supermodels getting paid a lot of money and he's winning super bowl ring oh no we're tired of this we're tired guys got it all like he had it all like he had it all like Like, you know, that's a, that's a dream.

Like, we all thought we were going to, that's the life we all thought we were going to live. Like, look, I'm exceptionally good looking. You know what I'm saying? I'm going to date any supermodel, anybody I want, and I'm going to win all my games. Like, every big game I'm in, I'm going to win. And, like, I was just like, ah, it just rubbed me wrong. You know what I mean? Like, okay, you win a little bit, but like, all the time, you know what I mean?

It's just, it kind of really grinds my gears. You know, give me the Mount Rushmore of Patriots that pissed you off the most. It starts with 12. 12. Definitely 12. We don't say his name? Yeah, I couldn't say it when I was planned. It's hard.

You know, why? Tom Brady. There it is. You know what I'm saying? It's hard. You know what I'm pretty sure, you know, Joe Frazier couldn't say Muhammad Ali's name for a long time. You know what I'm saying?

I feel. But, you know what I mean? So, it started 12. It's pretty much him. Logan Mankins, because he, you know, he was a dog in them trenches. Like, Logan was a great guy when he wasn't in football players. But he was just like, he was one of those guards that you need it. You know what I'm saying?

Logan Mankins. Who else? I love Grunk. You know what I'm saying? I loved Aaron. I didn't know he was a gangster, though. I didn't know he was about that action. You know what I'm saying?

He was. Yeah, like me and Aaron got it to it one time. And, like, had I known who I was fucking with, I probably would have averted, but like, man, get out of it with that. You know what I mean? So, it probably, it was only really them two. Bill? No, Bill never pissed me all. You know, he never got, like, he was probably his stoicness is really, like, dude, react.

You know what I'm saying? He didn't react to anything. Except for one time, like, I think y'all was playing Carolina and, like, the, the, the, the, field goal where y'all lost and like hit it like I don't think it was no good but yeah it was like one of those things like but they called it good and and bill like chase the dude into the tunnel I was like oh shit they're for the fight and there's a Luke the Luke keakley holding on gronk in the end zone too yeah yeah on that Monday night game yeah yeah went after him it was a big thing yeah that was huge so yeah bill never got under my thing but I would say the mount rush war it would

definitely be 12 Logan mankins and y'all fans Oh my God. Oh, my God. Like, even y'all security guards. Like, yo, y'all can get y'all ass up. Like, dude, your fucking security guard set up. Like, like, you're not even supposed to be watching the game. You know what I'm saying?

Zip that one break her up. Y'all fans, like, don't let up. You know what I'm saying? Like, it was definitely probably Tom, Logan Mankins, and the fans. And the fans. That's T-Cissons. That's a hell of Ruff.

That's a hell of my restaurant. A whole lot of fans on that. They got to etch in. Yeah. Like, what you call it? He wasn't like the older guy, Soder. He didn't talk much. Did he talk to you all around?

Didn't talk very much. Yeah, he was a solid. He was a good right tackle like Nate. Long. Yeah. And then Sea bass. We had Seabass. Remember the German?

Oh, okay. Yeah. We had Brian Waters for a little. Y'all did Brian Waters for a little. We had Brian Waters. We had Conley on the offense line. Yeah. Yeah.

A nice little team. Yeah. Yeah, but like, it was just 12 in Logan. Yeah. Because I'm pretty sure I had a stunt, and Logan did some Logan shit and slam me or choke, you know, grab me by the neck. You know what I mean?

Logan was nasty. Logan, yeah. But you had to be like that against the Ravens. They're like, no, you had to be like that against the AFC. Like the AFC was like, it usually it was a run where whoever won the AFC was like going to win the Super Bowl. You know what I'm saying? It was like we, like, we, like, we, love playing NFC team. We feel like y'all, y'all over here, comfortable. You know what I'm saying?

We over there getting in the real grind in the AFC, you know what I'm saying, exactly. Man, you know, going to play Cleveland in week 14 and 15, that ain't no matter what, no matter what kind of season they have, going to play on that lake in the latter months, oh, it hurts. It hurts. Every hit hurts. Like, you better come out winning because you're not going to feel good while you're doing. So hopefully you win. But that AFC was rugged, you know what I'm saying? And like nobody really feared NFC teams. Like you have a team here and there that was like, all right, they're really good.

But we're like, no, we're in the AFC, man. We got to get out the AFC, we're good. AFC. The AFC, man. Still is. Still is. Still is. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Let's go back into time. We have a segment where we go back in time around where the game took place. September 11th. Wow, 2011. This game opener. And we go over pop culture, number one movie, Contagion, which actually happened like 10 years later. That's crazy. COVID.

Number one song, moves like Jagger by Marine 5. I hear your big movie guy. I am a huge movie guy. I love movies. What's your favorite movie? Of all time? Yeah. Godfather.

Godfather. Godfather. Yeah. Got Kiss rings. It's a great story about family, succession. Like, I love the Godfather. I watch it every time it comes on. I throw it on myself.

Some Godfather. Favorite sport movie. Ooh. Oh. I want to say, I want to say the program because it was like, I want to do that. That was the first movie that I love. But Miracle, man. Miracles.

The Miracle night. Like, I like to remember the Titans. I love Miracle. Which one of the first movie. Remember the Titans. Yeah, I love that too. I love that too. In theaters, thanks to you know, it was, you know, I felt like that was like a kiddie football movie.

It was like after the little giants, you know what I'm saying? Like, like, I think what's more truth telling is definitely any given Sunday. You know what I'm saying? That's right. You got to see how we kind of, how kind of NFL life is, you know what I'm saying? But I think my favorite sports movie definitely would be miracle. Miracle. I love everything.

Like we wasn't the favorite and we had to be, you know, our political rivals to, you know what I'm saying? Like the whole story of, you know, just around that time and, and you know, heard Brooks' story. You know what I'm saying?

I love Miracle. Yeah. Miracle on Ice. Did you, I heard, didn't you produce stuff? I did, so. I did some film. Yeah.

I did some film. If you're going to produce a of a sport movie, what kind of sport movie we going? What needs to be made a story? Football's easy. What story would you make a movie

in the NFL? I don't know. You put me on a spot right there. I don't know because there's so many stories. There's so many. Like, I don't know. I would love, I would love this C. Ray's story.

Like, he had like a biopic. Bio pick. Yeah, that'd be dope. You know, times would be dope. You know what I'm saying? Like, but he wins all the time. So there's no like... It'd be a Disney movie.

Yeah. Like, there's no... There's no, like, he's not going to have to defy no odds because he's always been top dog. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So, you know what I mean? That's not...

Everybody likes an underdog story. When was he ever the underdog? Well, until he got to the Patriots. Like, I don't... Penny? Pick 199. Yeah. Well, didn't he...

He bawled out at Michigan, though, right? No, they had the Henny guy that they were trying to start over him. Right. He was the baseball guy. Okay. And then he was splitting time. with him his senior year. I didn't know that.

He brought him back into Orange Bowl that year. Okay. Then he gets drafted 199. Drafted 1.99. They paid Drew Bledsoe, the first $100 million contract, and then he beats him out. Yeah. Oh. I don't know.

It could be good move. I mean, probably just the first one, like when he wins his first one. Yeah. For then it's repetitive. It's like, repetitive. Like, what are we doing? You know what do we watch? Too much arc.

Like, we already know what's going to happen. You know what I mean? Like he didn't have, you know, a, like, you know what I mean? Like, you can try to throw Payton in there, but it's not the same. Like, people didn't fear, like, people fear Peyton, but people knew, like, when we played the Patriot, you can't make no mistakes. Don't not let them know what you're in, even though he already knows. And definitely, like, don't be somewhere you're not supposed to be.

Like, if you're out of place, you're going to know what you're going to go right to it. Yeah. And y'all hear that the goddamn, the departed, they play that shit all the time. Shipping up to Boston. That's right. Shipp up to Boston.

That gets us going, baby. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, second we hear that is jumping off. Right before, like, before the ball even kick off, you hit a departing. Just a minute. Like, please let us not hear that shit. White guys in Larry Bird jerseys go nuts.

Boy's going crazy up there. So they could also make like a cool, like, what is it, psychedelic sport movie with Aaron Rogers who won a VP this year. There it is. Ooh, I like that. Or the Giants movie. The Giants.

17 and, oh. 17. Oh, oh, it's 19 and 1. You weren't there yet? I wasn't there. I was a kid. Oh, shit. I was in eighth grade.

Oh, shit. Yeah. Still too soon. Like, that's still the craziest thing. Like, they, they, they get. to that last game of the year. Like, it's incredibly hard to be the team like twice in that short span. Like, remember, uh, late 17, both of them, uh, Tom and Randy,

and they had just broke some record on them like two or three weeks before. Yeah. In New York. Yeah. When lit up, New York. Like, oh, yeah. And no, they didn't light them up. It was a close game.

Was it close? It was close. It was close. I thought they blew him out. I think Jabar Gaffney scored a game winning touchdown on the last drive. I didn't know that. Baltimore. That was Baltimore. That was probably both.

Yeah. That was you guys. That was like we thought we had y'all beat and then, you know, the mad backer, Bart Scott went crazy, start throwing ref flags and the in the stands and shit. Like I tell you, we were a little fucked up. It was close though that one. Yeah, that one was close. It was a close. It was the Giants one, yeah.

It was 3835 to go 16 or no. Really? Yes. The first game? Yeah, the one in December. Because they were holding on by threads by the end when everyone kept, they were about to break the record. Yeah. That was the one.

Like, everyone was bringing their A game. The whole league. What was the 38, 35? And the Super Bowl, it was real low scoring. Blit Zero. Dean Peas. Dean T's. We hit the Blit.

Dien Tee. Randy used to come when I first got to New England. You know, you do the walkthroughs before practice. Uh-huh. You know what I mean? Randy would be over there. Team P's, don't be putting on that blitz zero bullshit. That was 1714.

Because that's when Plaxigos scored the game winner on him with the blitz zero. Blitz zero on in the 18 and one. Damn. Damn. That's crazy. That's okay. 18 or 19. 19.

Man, I can't believe Randy never got a ring. I know. I know. That's hard to believe. That's why they probably will say he, he's never be better than Jerry. Like,

he's my favorite. Me too. I love Randy. Randy is my favorite. Like, he's always been my favorite. It's so tough, though, because Jerry,

Jerry had 1100 yards at 41. Like, at 41. At 41. When they hit. guys. Like, exactly. They hate guys back then. Like, any receiver would tell you, any receiver

would tell you, like, Jerry Rice is the best receiver of all time. Any receiver, like, they always say that. You know what I'm saying? Like, but me, like, as a fan. Athletically gifted? You probably, you would say Randy. Randy? Yeah. Randy, you've never seen a six, five dude, run four, three, four, two.

Just that fast. Outjump people. You know what I'm saying? Like, Randy, yeah. Don't forget, maybe. We just finish each other's sentences? I love that. I love that. Does that mean we're... Did we go to come best friends? Nature is healing.

But as long as the two teams in the AMC, it can't happen. The bromance can't happen. Because it's always going to come down to him. It's like, oh, what we got now? But we can't forget Megatron. You can't. You can't forget Megatron. Like, Megatron like purposely, like, didn't show other people up because he was like,

I want the guy to feel good. You know what I'm saying? Like, he was like, I want to bring up my team. You know what I mean? So can't forget Megatron. I mean, go in a wormhole. Go in a wormhole and watch, like, go look at Jerry Rice's box scores. They're fucking crazy.

Yeah, I mean. They're insane. You can deny it. You can deny it. Like, he's definitely top one or, like, top two. Like, you know what I'm saying? So, you know, no. Like, I guess it's all any, like, all the receivers say Jerry.

You know what I'm saying? But like me, I guess as a fan, think I know football. I put Randy, like Randy. Yeah, no bias either guys. He lived in Minnesota. No bias. No bias. You know what I'm saying?

Even though I, I've never seen nothing like that. No, I don't think anyone did. I've never seen nothing like that. No. You know what I mean? All right, let's jump into this game, Jackie. You want to run through these Steelers real quick?

Let's run into them. These are the 12 and four Steelers. Of course, it's Mike Tomlin. It's Bruce Ariens. It's Dick Leboe. We're doing what we do guys. Coming off to Super Bowl loss to Aaron Rogers, we just mentioned that one earlier.

I lost 35, 25, 25 to the past. This defense was insane, allowed fewest points, fewest passing yards, total T-Ds, Cam Hayward's rookie year, crazy. Speaking of Wild dudes, AB's second year. Another guy, you don't want to mess with right now. I don't know. Oh, yeah, he bought that action, too. About that action, but Big Ben, of course, crazy wide receiver room, A, B, Jericho,

O'Cotry, Emmanuel Sanders, Mike Wallace, Heinz, Ward. Watch out for those chips, baby. He'll chip you. Oh, yeah, he'll chip you. Oh, yeah. He'll crack you. He'll crack you. You had threatened Heinz.

What do you mean? Like at the snap, like, though, if you clip me, if you, if you chip me, I'm a, I'm a rock your shit. Like, I used to seriously threaten Heinz. What would he say back? He'd be like, yeah, okay, well, I'm going to chip you. Like, he was about that action. Like, like, Hines was, he was about that. He's like another one of those dudes.

You don't, you hate to play against him, but if you love to have him in a street fight. Oh, yeah. You'd love to have them on your team. He was a dog. Hell yeah. I'm looking at the, like, they defense, it looked a lot like are. They had Lamar Woodley. Troy, Timman,

Taylor, Ryan Clark. Yeah, hey. James Harrison, scary dude. Were you there when they cut James Harrison in Baltimore? No, I think he was cut the year before. Yeah. Yeah, I think he was cut in 2002. And then he starts bawling out.

And then he starts bawling. I mean, he was the MVP of the Super Bowl? He what? He wasn't MVP of the Super Bowl. He had the big ass play. No, I think he was either Santonia Holmes or. Santoneo Holmes. Was it San Antonio?

Yeah, he got the longest. He got defensive player of the year, though. Yeah, he did. No eight. In that same year. Yep. Yeah, he did. I was Kent State alum.

Same college. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Like, that motherfucker, that was a good year. Good movie. That'd be a good movie. That'd be a great movie.

Great movie on him? It's terrible. It's a stealer. Yeah, what if we do it like that? We were getting some. We do a microcosmets. It's just him playing for the Rhine fire over in NFL Europe. James Harrison in Europe, bawling out.

Oh, he'd be terrorizing European dudes? Absolutely. I love that. So, when you see this, what's the first thing that comes to your mind when you see this team. They, they, like, we couldn't get over to, like, we couldn't get over to stealer hump. Like, it was this team, like, we had to beat. You know what I'm saying?

To like, all right, da, da, da, da, but who's waiting for us after them? Patriots. The Patriots. Like, there was no week off. You know what I'm saying? It was like, once we got over the Steeler hump, it was like, oh, shit. Now we got to go deal with Foxboro. You know what I'm saying?

And, like, a lot of times we had to play them in Foxborough because they were just kicking everybody has in their lead. You know what I'm saying? That was when the Jets were a joke. Miami was a joke. Buffalo was a joke. I think they put up like Tom Brady's like record against everybody in his division. Oh, my God.

I think he got more than like two losses against anybody in his division. I think, no, the Jets early on in these years with Rex Ryan, they were going to the A&C championship. They were good. Miami and Manhattan Hill went to the playoffs a few times. Yeah, but you know, they could, you get, you get to play a playoff game in Miami.

That's a home game. game for me. Come on. Like, we didn't play the last two, three months in cold weather. You go down to Miami and it's like, oh, they're out here comfortable. They're looking good. Practice so easy. Can you imagine practice out there?

Oh, my God. Like your knees when you're old? Not in the early months. I remember I played a game in Miami and I got a pick. I scored. I still ain't recovered. Oh, my God. It was so high.

I was like, that was a mistake. I should have kneeled it. I should have nailed it. It was always a big thing for us, North teams, when we went down in later part of the year, playing against Miami, we would get sucked out. Our energy would get sucked out.

Yeah, we lose them every year. We lose them every year. That's because they were in your own division. But like us, we didn't see Miami often. And it was just like, no,

they're too comfortable down. They're not ready to play no game. They worried about the party afterwards. Yeah. So we're going to go ahead and send them home early. We're going to give them. them this work. We love playing playoff game in Miami. Hell yeah. They're all harbour. Troy Palomalu. Yeah. I mean, how great is that? If you think about it,

just the AFC North. Very similar to teams, Raven Steelers. Exactly. Yes. Insane linebacker, insane safety, insane D-line. Oh, my God. That's why these games were the train, right? And like, everybody, if you wasn't a fan of the two teams, if you weren't a Baltimore Raven fan or a Steeler fan. You watch Raven Stealers. Pretty much, a lot of time it was on prime time, Sunday night, Monday night. You know what I'm saying? I don't think we have to play on Thursday, but

like, everybody's watching. It's insane. Like, everybody, like, we used to hit, like, and the rest used to be like, yeah, it's good. It's good. I was going to say. Like, you could tell, like, we broke Ben Rothersburgers' nose. We were just talking about that before this. Like, we broke Ben Roth's Burgess's nose.

Like, he bleeding and everything. We're like, yeah, this is what this game's about. Rest, like, it's Clean. It's clean. They know the situation. You do that to Drew Brees or or or or or Peyton Manning. You might get thrown out the league. Oh, no, you can't do that. Don't even dare do that to Tom Brady. You know the death. Don't you dare. Don't even think about that. Don't you even get close to him. Straight to the electric chair. Don't you dare. Like, oh my God. Like, how dare you get close to this man is the face of our league? Don't you dare get close to him. How dare you? Man. Is Heinzfield

when they start? That's my Madison Square Garden. That's your Madison Square Garden. I love that. I love playing at Heinsfield. Like, I'm always the bad guy, the villain. It's our rivals. And they bring it. They got the towel and they got a song like y'all's too. But, oh, mama.

Oh, my God. And it's kind of sick. You watch the highlights and shit. Boom. Towels. Boom, boom. Like, it's dope. Yeah. And like, and remember, Remember who these two teams are now. Like, you know what I'm saying? They had a Ferrier, James Ferrier, Larry Foote. You know what I'm saying?

We got Ray Lewis. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So it fed into all the narratives, man. And then they play it in fourth quarter and it was like, all right. And usually, I remember, like, they had a streak on us. It was like after they played that song, they were like eight for like a turnover or a big play. Eight for eight.

Like, they had a streak. And in 2011, we had a streak. we finally got over it. Like, we finally, like, stalemated their ass. All right, let's jump into the Ravens. Let's jump into it. I know that's one of those stadiums. I don't care if it was not called Heinsfield anymore.

It'll always be high and always. Always. Like, I had no idea what it's called now. And I'm like, no, I refused to call it that. Yeah, I was like, I refuse to call it that. Absolutely not. All right. Let's get into these Ravens real quick.

12 and 4 coming off a season where they lost to the Steelers and the division around. That was two of those three years. We'll get into that later. Good football. Beast, bro. Fourth straight year, making the football. playoffs. Fourth year of the Harbaugh era. You got Cam Cameron on the offense. Chuck Pagano, first year is DC. You got guys like Jimmy Smith, Tori Smith, Tyrod Taylor joining the team that

year. On the flip side, we got the final year of Ricky Williams career out there. Run, Ricky, run, baby. He was still getting touches too. Yeah. He was still pretty good. I did not expect him to like retired in next year. I thought we didn't get everybody back. I know. And then we got to, we buried the lead here. We got to give some love to our man T. T. Sizzle. This was a D.P.O. Y season. Yeah. What a year this was. And we started all, and it's like crazy that like we talk about this is like my favorite game against Steelers, but because before, on my way to the stadium, my cousin, he was like, you might as well go and win player to year.

And I was like, dude, why would you say that? Like, why would you put that pressure on me on opening day? You can't talk to none before the game. He was like, dude, shut up. You're going to win player to year. This is going to be your year. I swear to God. I swear to God.

And I was like mad at him for saying. I'm thinking about that on the way to a game. And then my, like my assistant, my manager at the time, he was like, that's a good idea. So he made me sign a jersey on the way to the game. On the way, this is opening, this is opening game 2011. He was like, sign your name, 2011 D.P.O. Like, they like spoke it into existence. I was like, no, it's not going to happen.

After listening for the last hour now here, I'm pretty. Got a pretty firm grasp that the league scripted. League is scripted with how you're talking about it. I don't know. The shit's scripted. I'm not, you know what I mean? That's above my pay grade.

I'm not in those meetings. I don't know. I don't know. But it's crazy because they, they both of them, my cousin and my manager at the time was like, yo, you fit and win player at a year.

And like, remember, we still got that chip. We still got that bad taste. I'm out like these dudes, we was beating these dudes. Oh, Like in the playoff and they came back on a.

Like significantly like it wasn't even close. And they came back on it. Breaking 21-7. Man, that's been a trend for you guys. Man, tell me about it. Tell me about it.

It's like we, right when you get ready to score, you start a showboating, you know what I'm saying? And then we trip. We start stepping on our own dicks. And there you go. Let's do a little word association real quick before we move on.

I'm going to put a name out there. You give me one word answer. All right. Started off easy. Joe Flacco. Cool Joe, man. Joe cool. He just never rattled, never panic,

except for one time him and Derek Mason got into a fight on the sideline. That was awesome. Like, it's always good to see some fire when the offense, especially like when they're not playing good. So you usually like, you think like the offense is just like, oh, you got to do this. You got to do this. Come on, guys.

Where the defense, you get motherfucking. You know what the fuck are you doing? You know what I'm saying? Defense mentality and offense is totally different, but it was great to see those two kind of like go at it on the sign. Like, okay. I like, it's important to them like it's important to us. You know what I'm saying?

So yeah. Let's keep it going. One word, one word. Ray Lewis. Ray Lewis. The general. General? The general.

Tori Smith. Tori Smith. I love Tori. I hope Tori loves me too. But like in his rookie year, I like bullied him a lot. Like, I mean, like, excessive. Because he was really fast. You know what I'm saying? It was a normal thing before the Richie incognito thing. Yeah, yeah, it was normal. Normal. It was normal. Yeah. And we didn't get all crazy, but

like Richie was, he was like psychotic, man. He's like always been like that. I heard like a story when we were in college. He used to call like his offensive coordinator up at like 2 a.m. and like cuss him out and shit. Like, like dude is had like, like, a wake up call. Dude, dude's been a little fucked up everywhere he's been. So I like, I'm like, I'm, I'm I'm glad he's true to himself. You know what I'm saying? But, yeah, Tori, like, he's very, very fast. You know what I'm saying?

He was, like, the fastest receiver we had had, like, at that point. And, like, I ain't never seen nothing like it. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, speed. There we go. There's one word. Speed. Pallodi Nata.

Oh, the enforcer. The enforcer to Tonka. He's another one of those big guys that very soft-spoken, very nice. Nice. Until you pissed them off. Don't piss hello to y'all. he turned into a human natural disaster. Like, he will tear some shit up.

But Alodi Noda, he was definitely our enforcer. Coach John Harbaugh. Oh, man, what's a good word for John? I like, man. He, he brung, like, he brung the championship mentality to our culture. You know what I'm saying? He was like, I'm not trying to change who y'all are. I just want y'all to do it legally.

You know what I'm saying? Because, like, it's good to, knock a guy out. Don't knock a guy out after, you know, the whistle's blown and cost the team. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? He was like, do all the shit y'all want to do. Let your personality shine. He was good at letting us be us. You know what I'm saying? But he wanted to, like I say, he wanted us to do it legally. He wanted to clean it up a little bit. Like, hey, be y'all, but do it in between the whistles. You know what I'm saying? Don't penalize the team. Ed Reed. Superman. Superman. He can cover both sides of the field, man.

Superman. That's easy. You know what I'm saying? Who was like the team asshole on the team? You're talking to him. Okay. You are talking to him. You're talking to him. Like, I hear stories about me.

I'd be like, yo, who the fuck was that? Like, I've heard some crazy shit about me. Like, shit, a lot of shit I don't remember. You know what I'm saying? The hits, you know what I mean? But apparently it was me. Apparently it was me. I used to take guys soap out their locker.

And then it becomes mine. and shit, oh, I'll return it with pubs on it or something. You know what I'm saying? Like Joe, like Joe, if Joe had a good game, I'd hang a pitcher in his locker of a nice, fine woman. If he had a bad game, I'd hang like a dude up there or something. You know what I'm saying? Or an unattractive woman, you know what I'm saying?

So, or like, we also, we had, you know, we had like the wallet, the dry erase board. You kind of used to put the schedule on before they went all digital and shit. you have to put the schedule on. I had a big circle of trust. If you had a good game, you was in there. But we were notorious for kicking people out. Like, no, we don't trust you this week. You got to get back.

You got to earn our trust back. We'll put Joe ass. We'll kick Joe ass out. He had a bad game. Uh-uh. You ought to circle of trust. Hardball, Cam Cameron. They called some dumb shit.

You out of the circle of truck. Like, we was all accountable to each other. You know what I'm saying? And we had good fun with it. But it was also like, all right, I need to have a good game. Next game. I haven't got my ass kicked out of the circle. of trust, you know, doing some fuck shit on the field sometimes.

You know, it should get crazy. It happens. It happens. You know what I mean? Who is the funny guy in the team? The funny guy. Who was the funny guy? Who is funny?

It's funny. I'd say Ed Reed. Harry's the funny guy. All right. And before we move on to the game, who's the best football player you played with? That's, oh, that's, it's easy to say Ray Lewis. It's easy to say Ray, but you got to understand. Like, I play with the best left tackle in football history.

I played with the best middle lineback in football history. And I played with the best safety in football history. So who's best football player you play with? Who's the best football player? Man, it's hard between those three. A spaceship. All three of them got gold jackets. That's going to an unknown, unknown planet.

And they need to be. bring another person, they want a defensive lineman to breed with and they need to bring in another football player to breed with. Who else are they bringing? It's so hard. They bring it Ray. They bring it Ray because, you know, you get that tenacity. You know what I'm saying?

I worked with them. You know, that that leadership, that confidence. So it would probably be right. In pre-production meetings. And a slight, like a razor thin edge between Ray, J. and Ed. Yeah. Well,

we got one more before we get into this game. Is there still like a T. Cizzle, Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, group chat going?

Yeah. There is, is anyone else in the group chat? Oh, yeah. It's like our whole Super Bowl team.

Whole Super Bowl team. Yeah, our whole Super Bowl team is in the group chat. Yeah. Yeah, we, how come Tom has a man?

Yeah, come on, man. Yeah, come on, Tom. Out dating the models, man. He's living in a rough life.

You know what I mean? Is that shit popping on a? Is it popping on a weekly basis? What? The group chat. Yeah. Oh, I love that. We talked about, especially when we were one and five, you know what I'm saying?

It's like, yo. Take the ping pong tables out. We for the, we had to start getting these motherfuckers up out of there. You know what I'm saying? Like, we don't do that shit. And we was getting ran on. Oh, I know. Ran on.

Like, you got to understand. But they, they, we play an offense. They was getting whatever they want. They're running the ball and throwing the ball. In the guy, Ray, and you got to choose one. Right. We wasn't stopping a nose bleeding. those first weeks. He's watching Fox kickoff.

You heard me talking about that. It's right. It's hard. We used to have to not run the ball against a boom. Like, yo, like now, and now, like I said, it's just... They're getting to that. They're getting better. They're getting back.

They're getting back. Let's jump into the game, Jack. Let's run through this game real quick. This was a beat down 35-7. 35-7. Defined by seven turnovers. For seven turnovers, man. Unbelievable.

T-sizzle came out, three sacks, five tackles for losses, five QB hits the force fumble. Big one on Big Ben early. That put it to 1417. Ray Rice comes out of this thing swinging right out the gate. Three plays score, go up seven nothing. It's like, oh, man, like, this really set the tone for the day. Oh, yeah.

What was it about Ray? I swear he started so many games so fast. And these drives just like blowing the doors open. Man, I would have loved to see him with that Kubiak offense. Oh, I know. If Ray would have been in that Kubiak offense, you know, Ray was, I mean, a Kubiak responsible for Aryan Foster. Seriously.

You know what I'm saying? So if you put Ray Rice back like that, like, Ray Rice would have been MVP. Like, I say it all the time. Ray Rice had Gary Kubiak as his coordinator, he'd have been MVP. He definitely would have run, you know, an offensive MVP,

but I think he would have won it as a whole because Ray Rice was a phenomenal talent, and Kubiak just, he just understood, he was like the best, offensive coordinator I ever had. I believe it. And I loved, I used to tell him, I used to walk in the building and see him in the morning, I'm like, yo, I'm just so glad you're here.

I'm just so glad. You got to understand, we've had, like, I've wasted my good year, and we had teams that didn't have an offense. We couldn't score, you know what I'm saying? And when Kubiag walked in that building, just think everybody had, like, career highs. Crazy, bro. It was Joe Flacco's, like, best season ever.

Yeah. You know what I'm saying? And, like, if Ray, I, I, I, It's like one of those things that you thought what could have been. I know. Ray Rice would have been under Gary Kubiak. He probably would have been a league MVP. That would be unfair.

Oh, my God. Like, I love Ray Wright and Kubiak, man. As we were saying here a minute ago, right, freaking T. Sizzle sets the single, the Ravens franchise sack record in this game with the strip sack. That gets into 14-0. Steelers respond with a nice drive. Emmanuel Sanders TD to make it 14-7.

raise back again in the end zone 21-7 then we get out of the second half started with a bang another tone setter hello dinah blowing up rashad mendon oh my god oh my god blows him up recovers the fumble quick uh sudden change score there uh well ed dixon in the back of the end zone it was real nice jo flaco with a dime take us through the strip sack and also give us the coaching i know the strip sacks yeah the first one was crazy and then also give us the coaching points on how to tackle Big Ben because it's a fucking problem. So the strips, all right, so the first one, like, it was really, we owe Hologi for it because we were running a stunt where we both, like, we blitz off the edge and we both,

like, take the adjacent gap. And he was like, sis, I'm not going, I'm not going, like, go under me. He was like, sis, I'm going to hit it hard. Go under me because he figured, like, they knew it. So this sack happened, it was like Holode's call. like and I'm pretty sure they was going crazy on the sideline like what the hell of they're doing they're not running the defense right you know what I'm saying but going off book it was like what we did best you know what I'm saying it was like no we're not doing that we're going to do this

so uh hello he called it he was like says I'm gonna go straight up and instead of you going in the get go under me and I come on and you see it and you look like that's the defense but no we went off script there and then like my thing well I wasn't like I was trying to get the ball I didn't know I got it, but it was like, get him first. Usually you have to like break down on Ben. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? But he's so big.

It's a big target. And it's like, all right, I got to hit him hard. But that's kind of what he wants. Because you're going to shrug you all. He's going to spin off you. And then now it's his show. Yeah. You know what I'm saying?

He's like the best at that. Big hands too. Yeah, when a play breaks down and he can go out and do what he want. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's when Ben is at its best. But you kind of got to break down. you got break down to hit him, but we got some good shots on them that day. We got some great shots on them.

Great shots. And the second half was more of that. You got the Ray pick, the Ed Reed pick. Yeah. Another Ed pick. Yeah. Another Raylo was forced fumble. T-sizzle, another force fumble.

This thing ends up 35-7. It's how you start a season. Right. This is how you start the season. This is a division rival. Beat down. We got like two guys was, was pivotal in like us getting over to the Steeler hump. One was, of course, was in Kuomboating.

You know, we had a, a, kind of an offensive guy with a defensive mentality now. Yeah. To kind of match the Steelers defense. And another guy we had was Bernard Pollard. Patriot killer. Man. Patriot killer.

That dude, man. I tell you, like, he was everything, like, A. Reed needed a counterpart. You know what I'm saying? And Bernard Pollard was huge for us. He got us over the Steeler hump and eventually got us over the Patriot hump. That's why they called him the Patriot Cush. He was scrapping some that day too in this game. Yeah, man.

They were scrapping back there with those. We love BP. Like BP, like he only did two years with us. But he's a Raven through and through. You know what I'm saying? Now, what's it like to set the franchise record for the Ravens Sack record? Man. Like, think about that.

You know, like, on a team that's built on defense and like to do that. You won two Super Bowls with defense. Yeah. Yeah. In this day and age. Yeah. So it, like, man. Man, it's humbling.

It's flattering. But, like, I like to give a lot of, like, probably or respect to, like, my personnel, like the guys around me. You know what I'm saying? Like, if you have the greatest safety ever behind you, the quarterback's going to hold the ball longer than he really wants to. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying? And it's like, the person best to describe it was Chad, Chad Pennington. Like, he hated, like, playing against Ed Reed. Like, Ed Reed terrified him. He didn't want to turn the ball. over and he just like, all right, I got fine. Ed, okay, he's right there.

Now, now he's still, like, he don't know what Ed's going to do. Yeah, sack. It's too late. It's too late. So, like, my personnel has a lot to do with my success. You know what I'm saying? I had, like, the biggest defensive tackle that was very athletic, very strong, can run, you know what I'm saying?

So they're going to, they got to tend to him. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? So he freed me out. A lot of time I'm going to get some tight end that don't really, he didn't sign up. to be past blocking, you know, I'm going to catch the ball. You know what I'm saying?

So I got tight ends a lot of times. So my personnel was, has a lot to do, you know what I'm saying with my success. Yeah. Like straight up. Being first guy. What's the Mount Rushmore of quarterbacks you sacked? Favorite ones. Of course, your guy.

12. He's definitely up there. Tom Brady. Pretty boy. Yeah. What is it? Who is it? The pretty boy.

Thomas Edward Patrick Brady. Tom Brady. Tom Brady. Yeah. He's out there. Big Ben. Big Ben. That's fucking tough quarterback to bring it down.

Yeah. Slipry. Ben. I would say Philip Rivers, too. Talking shit on the way down. Was he cursive? That's why. Like Philip River talked shit.

He just talked shit to talk. I'm like, dude, you're a quarterback. Like, shut up. Like, fucking Philip Rivers. He's up there. Who would be the fourth? I want to say, I want to say Peyton, but he just, he's beat me way too many times. So I would say anybody in Cleveland.

Like Cleveland was really good to me. Like Cleveland. If you were a Cleveland quarterback, you were really good for my career. Like, shout out, Colt McCoy. Like Cole McCoy, Derek Anderson, all of them. Charlie Frye, God bless your heart. Who was the guy that was from Northern Dane? Oh, Brady Quinn, Deshawn Kaiser.

DeShon Kaiser. Oh, my God. He really loved a whole. that thing like Drew Bledso. Like, I love Drew Bledso because he refused to throw the ball early. Like, I love Drew Bledso. You know what I'm saying? But Deshaun Kaiser was one of those.

He was like, no, I'm not going to throw the ball until I know my receiver is open where, you know, like a lot of good quarterbacks and receivers, they throwing that ball off the break. Like, you better, you know this muffled coming. You better get open and catch it. Or that's your ass. So, but yeah, Deshaun Kaiser, he loved to hold on that. But like I say, anybody in Cleveland, Jeff Garcia, anybody, any Cleveland quarterback was really, thought about Jeff in a minute. It was really, really good for me.

So I love the Cleveland quarterback. I love it. Should we score this game? Put a bow on that bad boy? Let's put a bow on it. 357 beat down. Yes. These are some names that we came up before this game, unless you have a name that you call it.

I love the beat down in Charm City. I love that. So we have that. We'll go. We have the beat down in Charm City. We have the Week 1 Revenge, the Big Ben beat down. the T-Cizzle sat game but T-Cizzle wants to

beat down Charm City. I love it. Beat-down Charm City. Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Remember, decimals are encouraged. It's a zero to 10, 10 being off the charts. Zero meaning terrible grading system.

Terrell, the stakes of this week one divisional matchup game. The stakes of this game, zero to 10 decimals encouraged. The stakes of this game, opening season. Opening the season. The stakes.

Just to let you know we've done you 10. Is the opening gay against your rival who knocked you out of the playoff? Your last game you played in the previous year was against him. This is the highest state game you ever played in your life? No. I wouldn't say the highest stake. I thought we were just rating this one. The highest one is y'all.

But then, well, that would make that a 10? Okay, that would make that one a 10. So what does that make this then? An 8. Let's see, there you. I'm just trying to get you an integrity. Okay. I'm just trying to get you integrity.

type score. Okay. What do you have? Now you eat, I'm going to go with the 7.5. Okay. It's passing. But you got to realize we've done fucking World Cup finals on this show. We've done, you know, Super Bowls. It's a regular season game. Division game. That's why it's a 7.5. At a 6-1, Kyler, at a 6-3, star power? Star power of this game will shoot out the lights.

I would say 9. A lot of Hall-Famers. There's a lot of Star. I think it's a 9 as well. Future Hall of Famers, all that. Yeah. Nine as well. At a 7.0, Kyle, and 8.8. I think I fucked up on my scoring there. A little too low, but we'll keep playing. We'll keep playing.

The game play of the game, how the viewer accepted the game, all viewers, however you think. Well, don't it differ from, if you're a still a fan, this wasn't a very high game for you. No. You know what I'm saying? No. So I would give it a game play in eight because we beat the ARA.

If you're a defensive fan, you love to this game. Yeah. Or a Ravens fan. I'm going to go with the eight as well, 8.1. I like that. I had a 5-4, kind of a 5-1. I don't know. I think we were whiling a little bit.

A little too low, I think. Could we blow them out? I guess so. I don't know. It wasn't a fun watch. It wasn't close. Wasn't close at all. And now, lastly, we score the name of the game, the beat down in Charm City.

I love that. I'm giving that a 9. Nice. I love that. I like that. I'll give that an 8-5. Okay. Shout out.

I went too low. I'm going to up mine. I didn't know we were going to pick that one. Let me up my thing to a nine. I'm going to join T-Sism. I appreciate you. All day, all day, baby. Got it out of 5.5.

What does that put us? That puts us at a 7.52. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. Not bad. That makes us right. We are at the 70th.

Oh, that's terrible. 70th third game. Wow. But you got to look at, but you got to look. You're above a Stanley Cup final. Yep. Oh, okay. You're in between the Squish the Fish game,

1985 AFC championships for the Patriots beat the dolphins you're right below the double doink game remember the double doink Ingles Bears

in the playoffs or they doinked it yep what's number one we're right in there oh what's number one we don't have like any Super Bowl LIFO

oh that's a pretty good no bias that's a hell of a fucking game like like dog and I'm the worst score I'm the worst score for all these

Patriots games for a person that's anti-patriot. And, you know, so I was having the Super Bowl of my life. And I was in Houston. Like, I was down there. Like, I was like, this is the best Super Bowl ever. But I was doing all the parties.

And they were losing 28 to 3. And, like, you had never seen them get their ass kick like that before ever. I was like, hell yeah. And then it happened. Then they scored the first touchdown. Then they scored the second one. And then this motherfucker did the catch. I'm like, oh, it's happening.

It's happening again. Like, everybody, if you went in Boston, like, everybody knew what's happening. Like, because we've been on the opposite side of that. Lut in the water. Like, fuck. They're giving this dude a chance. Now he's in it. And it's like, dude, just make one play.

Like, Atlanta didn't have, they didn't have it. And, like, I think Shanahan, he was the offensive coordinator there. And he had already gotten a 49er job. And I was like, this motherfucker. He's trying to throw it. He's sabotaging it. Like, I had all the conspiracy theories. I'm like, this motherfucker.

But, um, and they didn't have an answer. That once that title wave happened, like, I'm pretty sure I couldn't have recovered as a football player. In the Super Bowl, you're up 283 against them. Like, this is, this is the empire. You know what I'm saying? This is Darth Vader and Senator Palpatine. Like, this is, this is the team you want to be in the Super Bowl. and you're up 28 to 3

and you lose. But if you watch the game and you lose. If you watch the game, we were driving the ball down the throats of them, the whole game, and we turned it over twice,

one in the red area. They had a pick six in the red area. Like, we were giving them the game. Like, like nobody remembers that. All we remember is it 28 to 3

in the 4th. No, it was in the 3. It was in the 3rd. In the 3rd. In the third. In the third. But still, 283 in the Super Bowl. That's a lot.

You're 283 in the Super Bowl. It's a lot of points. And it was like series after series, they couldn't make a play. They couldn't do it. They couldn't get a first down. It was just like, I can't believe what I'm watching. I can't. And who of all people is going to do it?

Tom fucking. Mr. Got it all. Oh, my God. That's a fucking movie. That's a movie right there. like 283. Literally. That could be a movie.

I think we actually made that a movie. What was the, I was in it. Man. Oh, 80 for Brady? 80 for Brady. Yeah. 80 for Brady.

Oh, yeah. I love that. It's a good movie. I love that. Yeah. Tizzle. I appreciate you. This has been awesome.

This is my first time really getting to talk to you and it's been so fun. I would have loved to got to play with you. You got to have me back. Me and Grunk. That would be epic. And probably like Ed and the outbring time and Ray. We got it, and all of them sit down.

That would be a movie. And hash it out. We hash out everything. And everyone, the hash out, let's do it. We also forgot to mention T sizzles up for the Hall of Fame this show. Let's get this guy on the top.

Gold jackets. And he should be in there. Hopefully I get the not. You got to get in there. Let's go. Gotta get the not. I mean, Hunter, what are the stats?

Lifelong 177. One sacks, seven interceptions. Most tackle for losses in NFL history. Most tackle for loss. losses in college football history. 139 sacks, 39 force for almost seven interceptions, 60 past deflection,

three TDs. Wow. I mean, two times Super Bowl champ. Tackle for loss? Yeah. Wow. Pack 10, DPOI. Pac-10? Don't even know the records he got. Man, I'm going to have to remember all of them so I can tell my son because he's not going to be like, dad, you didn't do all that. So I'm like, dude,

you don't see it. Anything you want to plug? Mm-hmm. Hey, man, vote me in, man. Tell them I want my not. Let's go. Let's go. We got to have you come back. This was so fun.

Thanks for coming on. Thanks again. You're the man. I appreciate you. That was awesome. We'll be right back after this quick break. You want to know what my evenings actually look like? Homework questions.

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Follow Sacred Lessons with Mike Delocha and start listening on the free IHeart Radio app today. You know, we always say New Year, New Me, but real change starts on the inside. It starts with giving your mind and your spirit the same attention you give your goals. Hey, everybody, it's Michelle Williams, host of checking in on the Black Effect Podcast Network. And on my podcast, we talk mental health, healing, growth, and everything you need to step into your next season, whole and empowered. New Year, Real You. Listen to checking game with Michelle Williams from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Man, old T-sizzle.

T-sizzle. What a gem of a guy. He is. Man, I was a little intimidated. But he was a real guy. I could tell him the energy the first five minutes of meeting him. He brought the heat, man. That he was going to be, you know, he, he,

there's no, no hatred outside the lines. Like Drake said, you would think we're from Baltimore the way we're raving about him. We were raving about him. We were raving about him. We can't stop talking about him all week. I know he's been, he's been, he was, it was fun to have them on and rehash those. It was. Those stories.

We, we've played against each other and some, you know, I caught him in the back end, though. Yeah. No, I was saying. I mean? You forget how long he played for the Ravens. My God. Starting like 04, 05? Jesus.

Long time. Played a long time. I mean, he should be in the Hall of Fame. He should be, brother. I mean, we were saying it on the episode, 03, dark in Baltimore. 03 to 18 is crazy.

Crazy. That is some serious, serious numbers, bro. He saw a lot of football and he saw a lot of you guys. A lot of tough football team that, North. I mean, just hearing how they think about it. We all talk about it. Us outsiders.

that's a gritty, that's a tough division, but dude, lived it. They even lived it. My God, that was crazy. I liked his idea about the roundtable with Ray, you, Tom, Grank. We should actually try to do that. We should. That would be awesome. We should actually try to do that. We should. That would be... A little backdoor pilot to a games with names TV show.

I mean, you thought the Paris Accords and some of that shit was a big round table. This would be earth-shattering. That would be fun. That would be fun. That would be so tight. Guy, guy, we missed you, man. I know. I just want to, like... First of all, apologize. I was on a plane that was supposed to land at nine before the thing.

And then I'm over Pittsburgh. And they're just like, we have to divert the plane back to JFK. I guess there's no, this plane can't handle ice. And we're like, well, we're going to Los Angeles.

I was like, well, it's raining and it's kind of cold there. So I had to go to JFK and land. And then I was trying to watch it on fucking, uh, Riverside on the plane. But you guys crushed it.

We held down for you, but shout out to, I think their names are Adam and Sean. Two guys behind me, uh, we're a huge games with Ains fan. They talk, we just talked for like an hour in the,

on the way home. They asked about Jules and I? Yeah. Nice. Let's go, baby. I feel like, is Jack really as cool as how he sees?

I'm like, no. Nah, he's a cornball. What are we doing here today? Little chill zone time. Since it's playoff time in the NFL, we figured it's time to pull back the curtain on life for NFL players

during the playoffs. It's a big time, man. I mean, they're the money time. You played almost a whole other season of playoff games. Nobody knows, man. I mean, over a season. Nobody knows it better than you, brother.

19 total playoff games. 19? Yeah. Deck, I'm so happy you picked playoffs because today is January 6th for our post games. Oh, it's good.

That's the only, yeah. Keep the playoffs. What else would happen on this day? What do you mean? NFL playoffs. That's right. Playoffs, baby.

Yeah, of course. Playoff time. What was, I think, first of all, to start off tools, setting the scene here to pull back this curtain. What,

was there a vibe shift when the playoffs rolled around in the building or is it business as usual? What like take us to like sort of the mindset of of entering this next season, if you will, of like of the year. Like regular season's over. All right. Now we're on mission.

Regular season's over. And I would say as soon as like Thanksgiving hit. Right. So like the real football season started. Like you could feel it in the building, the vibe. You could feel it. Okay. And then once the playoffs started, the urgency was there even more.

The little extra details were in everything. The little extra time you spent at the building because it could ultimately be your last time there for that year. The last time you get to hang out with this team forever. So everyone knows that. And I just always remember it being hyper-focused. Like it was just everyone, you know, going to a walk-through in week 11,

you know, when you're banged up, you're playing a shitty team or, you know, whatever, you go into those, or mid-season eight-week, you're not as energetic, you know, you're not going through the motions, but it's just a little harder. You're beat up, it's cold, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Once playoffs hit, like, you get like a jolt of energy. And, like, you get super, I would, at least I would get super focused. And, you know, our leader, Tom would always be,

guys would just, this was, you just felt the urgency, the focus level, go to a whole other level. And you guys were no stranger to a biweek. When the biweek happened, how would you guys normally spend your by week? We would use that by week to get healthy, but also we would use it to try to stay in football shape. Right.

I remember we used to have like a black and blue and white scrimmage. Oh yeah, I remember hearing about that. Yeah, we'd always have a scrimmage. That weekend or one of the days where we divide the team up into two and we would play against each other. We'd have different coaches call stuff. Like we'd have our tight ends coach. Like maybe Nick Cayley at the time was calling plays.

Josh was out or he was sick or someone else was calling plays. And, you know, there was always a huge emphasis in that week on self-evaluation over the year. It's kind of like, you know, the progress report time. or the report card time. All right, this is what we, you know, midterms. All right, we, this is what we are. This is what we struggle with. This is what we do well.

We need to tighten these things down. We have a couple of these plays that we haven't called that we, that are going to be on shelf to be called potentially that we've been setting up for a while. So, yeah, I, I just brain farted there. That was by week, by week stuff. So a lot of self-scout.

And it's a lot of like, how can you get yourself better? How can we as a team get better going into finding out who we're going to play? Because you don't know who you're going to play. Right, that's tough. And then once we knew who we're going to play, then it turns into regular week's schedule after a couple days off to kind of let you reboot or a day off or whatever it was. But even on days off, guys were coming in because you knew. We're not going boat parties. We weren't throwing boat parties.

Now, how much does the idea of the playoffs and playoff seating creep into the locker room at the end of the regular season? Like, are you guys looking at scoreboards? You guys are, are you aware of your seating or where the bills are or where the chiefs are at all? Yeah, you're always worried about your game, but you're definitely, if you're fighting for that first spot, you know, the bot. You're always going for a bye week. You can never not have a, like, the rest versus rest thing. We would always like to have the buy week because we were. productive with that week. We worked that week. And it was an opportunity to get healthy.

So you're definitely looking at the standings at the end of the year, see where you're at. And that even went into like how the coaches went into week 19 or 18 at that time. I remember a couple of times, you know, we had it kind of locked up. We're playing a shittier team. You know, they come up to you before the game. Hey, we're going to try to rest you. You're kind of banged up. we're going to suit you up and then all of a sudden we think we're going to win the game and then all of a sudden

the other teams are whipping our ass and you're playing in the whole third fourth quarter like there's been those episodes as well Dolphins. Dolphins. Yeah. 2000, 20 or 19? 18, 19. You know, but there was a couple of those.

You know, so I'd say urgency and focus. As a player, I know it's always a topic of conversation towards the end of year, the teams have kind of locked up some seatings or they don't move too much, talking about resting players. As a player, do you like that to get, you know, a little bit of rest? Or is there anything too you wanted to keep going and keep the momentum? I think it's different for every player at where they're at in their career.

Younger teams probably need, you know, got to play them. And our coaching staff would do a good job of that in that week's practice, that week, that blue and white game. like those were hard, those were hard games. Those were our hard practices because we needed to simulate a, not a game, but like you needed to get some hard action

because the next team you're playing is going to be the best team you're going to play all year because they have a playoff win. That's what I remember, you know, the coaching stuff always saying, regardless of who you're playing next, it will be the best team you've played all year because they already have a playoff win.

They've already felt, the lose and go home mentality and they prevailed. So even if you beat the team in the regular, it didn't matter. Whoever you were playing, it was going to be the best team. So you had to go out and have a great week of that prep,

self-scout, get healthy, good hard work, good meaningful work, and then go from there. Now, are there any, like, I don't want to say the word perks, but anything that is notably different once you get into playoff mode. So like the food is better

or you have more like TV production media. Are there anything like that that becomes different when it becomes playoff time? No, they try to keep that relatively on routine of what we've been doing. Look, it's the same game. And, you know, I was fortunate enough a lot of the times we were won seeds or we were high seeds.

We'd have a buy. So we put ourselves in good position all year with how we were doing things to get to that point. So, you know, the coaches wouldn't change that up as much. They may change, like, when we practice, depending on when the game was or something, or a travel day.

But not really. The schedule would stay pretty much the same. The schedule would stay pretty much the same. That makes sense. Because once you start getting further than the playoffs, like there's very specific time slots for games, right? The Saturday, Sunday, early, late. Was there a time slot you prefer?

or that you'd be rooting for, or would that look like? I always liked being the first team on, on championship Sunday or, you know what I mean? Oh, yeah. Just because then you got to see, you got to watch the game, and you got, you got eight more hours of recovery.

You know what I mean? Yeah. I just get it over with. So I always, you know, because I remember a couple of those times where we would be playing the second game, and, you know, I think we mentioned in one of the dudes episodes, with Rob that you're going into the equipment room and you're taking a little glance up to see

what the score of the game is, you know, but... Might see the Minneapolis miracle on TV. Might see the Minneapolis miracle. Holy smokes. No, and those are always, I feel like those day to night games, which is tricky. I think those are all pretty much now games. Anytime you have a 4 o'clock game, it's going to be a day to night game at this point. Even sometimes, I mean, you get Twilight in the 1 o'clock games.

on the East Coast and Northeast. So, you know, we were very conscientious of that and practiced those situations. The idea of home field advantage is obvious and talked about often, but are there anything like specific things that a fan at home might not realize are included in the home field advantage

versus playing on the road? I think it's just the travel. It's the being able to have your routine at home, the comfort, of having all your resources on hand at all times, not having to get up in air. You know, that air, when you get up there, that pressurization, that could be a lot on certain guys

with certain injuries, certain guys that are dealing with certain things. So if you don't have to go up in the air, that's always a big advantage. And having that comfortability, comfortability. Comfortability. Comfortability. Comfort, having that comfort of being at home with that same route, the routine is less. Speaking of routine, can you take us through the playoff beard a little bit? I know that was one of your rituals.

Do you have the others, though? Yeah, I just, you know, I would stop cutting usually as the years went by. It used to be like after Thanksgiving, then it would go earlier, but, you know, just. The beard would just go. Heck yes. you know, have to name any names or anything,

but do you, could you tell in the locker room guys that got up for playoff games and guys that maybe shrunk a little bit in playoff games? I was in a locker room where a lot of guys got up

for, like the mud, we won Super Bowls because everyone got up for playoff games. Got out, playoff Dola, playoff Niko,

playoff Slater, playoff, McCor. Like, you name everyone. Amen. Everyone had their contribution.

Like the up and down guys and guys that have that on their, they don't win. You know, everyone's got to be up in the playoffs for you to win a Super Bowl. Everyone's got to be up. Need you. That one play might be it. That one play.

Man, how about, let me pocket wash here for a quick second. I'd paychecks work, same? Or are they different? No, so when you have the first round buy, you're actually making less money. if you were a team that would go on to win the Super Bowl. Less per game. Less, no, because you don't get paid that first week.

Oh, damn. In the game. Oh, I got you. I understand. I'm working for free for a week. That's so lame, dude. I would tank so I didn't get the buy. You know, what are the...

I'm in different positions in different parts of your career. I remember when I was a young player, like, I was like, oh, man, 30 extra grand for this game. Hell yeah. You know what I mean? So everyone, what is it? You had 30 extra grand. extra for the first. It's changed.

It's changed. Yeah. So it escalates. It got to like a hundred. Maybe if you won the Super Bowl, you can make like 150 to 200 grand. For just that game or total in the playoffs? Total. Okay.

In playoff. That's tight. But if you came without a buy, you could make like 30 grand more. Tight. So like those giants. Yeah. Get not eight and eight, nine or whatever, nine and seven. Yeah.

Well, they played that extra, you know, they didn't have a buy week. Yeah. So they made more money. Man. And the Super Bowl winner gets like, I think 10, 15 grand more. That's tight. And I think everyone in the building gets paid that.

Oh, I didn't know that. So that's why it's also a great thing. So like the trainer, you know, the trainers, you know, the, I don't know, the trainers. There's level of everyone getting bonuses. Yeah. Good. Okay. Man.

So like for the high, high pay guys, it's like, honestly, it's bullshit. Pay cut. You're not even close. You think about what maybe a guy who's making. $20 million a year. He's making a million a game. Yeah, much money.

You know? Yeah, for sure. But I wonder what the actual, like, for a player like that, like a star, I wonder what the actual like career-wise ROI on having a Super Bowl on your record actually ends up being. I understand it's like, it's more of like a ethereal kind of idea.

But like a, like a Josh Allen winning a Super Bowl would probably have an X amount of dollar outcome long term. Shit. Well, we know the return of investment if you have seven. Yeah. 32.5. Good math. 32.5 year for 10 years.

Yeah. Sounds right to me. That's just one deal. That sounds all right to me. I've got one more. Do you have any more? Lay it on me. I got a general one.

You want me to rip it? Yeah. Favorite overall playoff moment? I mean, that's probably, I mean, it's got to be the win in Kansas City. 100%. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

We ain't going. That's such a sick for that. Yeah. That was awesome. That was fun. The Baltimore game was fun, the double pass and all that. That coming back from two, the hardest games were always the funnest games. You know what I mean?

There's a life lesson in there. Not like when you blow out Pittsburgh in the AFC championship or Houston, like those were great stat games, fun games. But like the ones that you remember were the hardest. Like damn. We had to beat that young ass Kansas City team. Damn. We had to beat that freaking legendary, you know, Seahawks team.

Damn, we had to come back and not run the ball. We couldn't run the ball against the Baltimore Ravens and then end up trying to come back 14 twice on them. Like those are the games that, like, you really remember, the tough ones against the, you know, the fine opponent that was bringing their A game. You know what I mean? Amen, baby.

That's how you want it. Yeah, baby. Not like the Chargers and the AFC championship where you blow them out when they come out. First time they've seen cold weather in the first their life. Yeah. You know you won the game before they even came on the field, bro. Put that heavy package and then just running down their throat.

Not even, bro. Not even need of you guys are cold. Game over. You know, that's why this will be very interesting going forward with this Patriots team. What kind of team are they going to be? A lot of warm weather guys in the weather. What kind of team are they going to be in the weather? They got to be able to use that as their as their tool.

Amen. As an asset. Use it to your advantage. Use it to your advantage. Forget about the Super Bowl for this question. But what's it like directly after a playoff game loss? It's tough because you go from straight like everything's about this season world to like depending on where you are in your contract, your career, your life, your life.

what's next? What's next, like, what's next going to be? You know, like, I remember when we lost against Denver in 13, I was in a contract year, and I was like, man, that could have been my last game with the Patriots. I remember thinking that specifically on the ice chest. You know, and then, you know, you lose against Tennessee and, you know, was that Tom's last game?

you know and then the arizona in 15 we're like we gotta get healthy fuck them but it just it then you know then it's just like you get overwhelmed with regular life like we used to be we used to hear in our building put it in a fucking drawer and worry about it off in the off season and you know If you really did that, when you lose, you got a lot of shit to worry about. How much responsibility do you have for your job after a loss? So like you go back into the locker room, you end normal end of game routine. But then like is the next day you're cleaning out lockers? Are there exit interviews?

There's an exit. There's like an exit physical and an exit meeting. And then just a whole lot of trash bags. Yeah. Lean out the locker boys. Everyone cleared out everything. They're not owned. They're rented.

Everyone clears out, even guys with a multi-year contract. Yeah. Well, I mean, they got to clean the lock. They got to do a deep. They do a deep dive clean of the locker room. They got to clean the facility. Monefuckers are getting staff infections and shit. Like, they're really clean.

Ain't no mercy. Yeah. How long for you in your brain, I know we talk about the New Year League, right? But how long for you did it be like now it's the next year? It always depended on the, I mean, I was the later. career I really didn't have next like off season constant yeah you know because you're in a groove and you don't want to lose it you're either rehabbing something or you're you're trying to real you know gain something to your game like you know I'd learn I got to learn from like guys like

tom and how how to really go about your off season and you know you always really learn that you never really don't have an off season because you're always doing something to better yourself no days off for the next year you know don't have to turn it on if you never turn it off. Yeah. Early in your career, you know you go out and you go get hammered with all your friends and do the tour back because you're fresh in the NFL and all your friends don't have, like they're all working regular jobs and stuff.

And then you get so out of shape. It takes you three weeks to get in shape. And then it's like hell, those first seven, eight days. Like, you know, you learn the older you get. I believe it. I don't feel like going through that phase anymore. What's the last question here? What's the shortest amount of time?

Like from like trash bag leaving the facility, like last day of that season or whatever, what's the fastest you've been back to the facility? And what's the longest you've been back to the facility? I mean, I would live in the area. So I was there the next day. You're just keeping it. I lived at the facility.

You know what I mean? What's the longest from, let's say, trash bag day to getting back when you were like younger? You know, usually three weeks early on. I would go out to California. You know, you go out to California. You know, I would do that. Go to your family.

I go to the Bay Area for like a week or two. Decompress. Decompress. And then. See all the people you haven't seen in nine months. And really have to just deal with all the things that you've been neglecting for eight months. Family friends.

Mail. Like everything. Crazy. You get into a zone. Get into a zone. And it's crazy. once the season ends, like it's over. Yeah.

And like that, that excitement, pressure, anxiety, like, it's not there. And you're almost relieved, even when you win, you know, there's like a relief. Like, all right, man, it's, all right, it's done. Fuck. Now, what are you going again? How we get back? Yeah. How you get back?

Man. Man. That was fun. That was great. Love playoff season. What a game. Thanks again to T. Cizzle, Terrell Suggs. That's been another episode of Games with Names.

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