Games with Names - The 278 Yard Game with Corey Dillon | Broncos vs. Bengals
Episode Date: October 7, 2025Corey Dillon is in studio! The legendary Running Back and Super Bowl Champion is with us to relive a record breaking performance: his 278 yard rushing performance against the Denver Broncos from Week ...8 of the 2000 season, when he broke the NFL single game rushing record. (00:00.00) We kick off the episode. (02:20.310) Corey joins us on the couch. (43:45.840) We go back to October 2000. (51:22.360) We get into these teams. (1:00:56.360) We dive into the game. (1:14:09.000) We score it. (1:21:42.720) We talk sports bucket lists in The Chillzone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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Welcome to Games with Names.
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They're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time.
And on today's episode, we are covering Corey Dillon's 260.
78-yard record-breaking game in week 8 of the 2000 season
between the Broncos and the Bengals
with Super Bowl champion legendary running back,
a man that may have trucked, Vince Wilfork,
Corey freaking Dylan.
And we get into talking what it's like breaking an NFL rushing record.
I'm over there being, you know, I'm in my feelings a little bit.
I'm like, I'm overwhelmed.
Getting traded to the Patriots.
I kind of got the feeling like Bill is not the person,
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We're kind of similar with the power and speed aspect.
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October 22nd, 2000.
Paul Brown Stadium, Cincinnati, Ohio.
22 carries two touchdowns, 278 yards.
And a place in the record books.
This is the 278-yard game.
Come on me.
One hour.
Welcome to Games with Names.
Today we are looking at the 278-yard game, Cincinnati versus Denver.
Week 8, 2000 match with Corey freaking Dylan.
Corey, in one sentence, why did you pick this game?
I think that was probably my best game ever.
I was just in the zone, and I think the team, we were struggling, man.
I don't think we won a game up until that game that season.
So it was just one of those weird games where, like, everything was clicking.
Offensive line was bulldozing people over.
And it just seemed to me like everybody was just a tad slower than my speed.
So, yeah, it just turned out to be a good day.
It ended up winning our first game in Paul Brown Stadium.
Wow. Is this the greatest game of all time?
To me, yeah. Yeah. I like it. I mean, the record's been broken, but it wasn't against, like, the number two ranked defense at the time.
And I kind of like it because, you know what, I did it on 22 carries. And eight of those carries were negative yards.
And crazy, we'll get into the game.
Right.
I want to get into the game later. But the other guy, they gave you a couple.
They gave a couple of your touches to the other guy, and he broke off, which I would have done.
I was going mad.
He brought him.
Brandon Bennett.
Yeah.
He got up and brink you.
Yeah.
And dude, there was one carry in there.
I broke for 30.
Yeah.
They called it back.
So I'm thinking like, damn, I could have 300 yards.
I know.
I know.
You know.
So we just had big will fork on, big V.
That's my guy, man.
And he told us the story about you running him over.
I didn't know that.
It's who he said that.
Did you not?
I never knew that.
Is that just how you were?
ran you just ran like a bat out of hell didn't care what was you didn't see you just ran here's
the funny thing man i know bill used to stand behind the offense so in my mind i used to think like
man this guy is telling the defense where i'm going you know what i mean yeah so it was just
we used to like just walk through you i used to tell them guys man say that for the game because
rodney are come and hit you seymour come and hit you william get aggressive with you and brusky
and all these guys.
And it was just one of those things where I'm like, man,
I got to stay full speed all the time against these guys
because I don't know what kind of moved they in.
Or they just want to butt up or they're really going to try to hit you.
So it was just one of those plays and we kind of met in a hole.
Yeah.
And we just kind of thud it up.
I didn't think nothing of it.
I went back to the huddle and, you know, ran the next play.
But then I seen Vince on here explaining like,
dang, he was dizzy.
My bad big homie.
I didn't know.
That's a lot of mass.
Man, when I got on Twitter and saw
the Cory Dillon responded to that Twitter,
oh my God.
I must faint to my eyes
where his biggest saucers.
Oh, my God, yeah.
We'll get into those New England days later,
but I want to talk about your come-up.
You're from Washington.
Yes.
And so I grew up in the Bay Area.
And so when I was growing up,
they had Day LaSalle.
Oh, yeah, man.
And the team that knocked them off
their like 15, 20-year run,
Bellevue, Washington.
man, we used to wop on Bellevue.
I'm from Franklin High School, man.
So, yeah, every time, like, we would never play them, like,
we were in totally different divisions,
but we'll play them, like, scrimmage games and stuff like that.
And I think we were, we were at the time, double-way.
I think they were triple-A, so we'd never match up.
But high school football out there, underrated.
Underrated and big-time.
A lot of great players.
I mean, lawyer Malloy, you know, he was, we're all from the same spot.
So, yeah, a lot of good football up there.
It's been known for basketball.
A lot of hoopers, too.
A lot of hoopers, too.
But football, we played, we played all right.
Now, you ended up at Washington.
Yes.
How I was playing in the original Pac-10?
I mean, I was, I, you know.
Yeah, I'm old, right?
The Pac-10, man.
So I'm from there.
So I think a childhood dream of mine was always going to the dub.
It was something about the gold and gold and purple.
The huskies, man, right?
Yeah, man.
Yeah.
Tyrone Willingham?
I remember he went there.
He was,
I wanted to go there when he went there
because he was in Stanford.
Oh, man.
It was,
it was a,
see,
Don James.
I was like,
yeah.
Don James,
one 90?
Yeah,
man,
I want to play for Don James.
So about time I got there,
um,
the coach was Jim Lambrite.
So I just transferred in from Dixie college.
Juco guy.
Yeah,
from St. George.
So their team was already stacked.
It was,
you know,
I had to,
get in there and make a name for myself.
I mean, they already had All-American
running back at the time, right?
So I ended up
getting second on the depth chart
and it was just
weird like
Bashan Shihi. I think he was
at a party and he was something happy
with his ankle and he couldn't
play the next game.
And you know me, man.
I like jacking for positions, man.
Don't give me the ball.
Yeah. Because it's going to be hard not to
give me the ball from that point on.
So I got in there and did my thing, man, and turned out pretty good.
So then I, you had a, you rushed for 300 yards against my San Jose State Spartans, bro.
We got to, I mean, I played in that at a high school football from my team, but in a quarter that we got to, we got to put some sign on that.
Like, if you're a ball, though, you got to know this game.
222 yards, 83 yard reception in a quarter?
In one quarter.
Three and five, all purpose yards.
in one quarter that's insane might still be a record i think it still is yeah i'll double check
that but my god that's what corey dillan does something light some light no light work
how much ball are you watching these days very few games i like to watch when the playoffs hit
but like regular season if it's not like a big marquee man i ain't really you know yeah i'm not really
i mean shoot i've been looking at football all my life i could take a little bit
little break. Take a break. Take a little break up. And I'm more, I watch more basketball than football.
Who's your squad? Go and State Warriors. Were you always a Warriors guy? No, no, Sonics back in the
day? Oh, I love this. Yeah, I'm a home. Sean Kim. Yeah. GP. Yeah, man, I'm a homer. But you got a, like,
some of your superstars get old and retire. Yeah. So my guy, it went from Michael Jordan. I love
Michael Jordan. Chicago. And then I was a Kobe fan. Still am.
Yeah.
You know, so when Kobe retired, I was like, hmm, what's the team I can sit down and, you know, have a meal and really watch?
You know, it was this little, like, skinny kid, man, shooting that ball, man.
Crazy shots.
Yeah, from half-court, I'm like, hmm, gee, state.
I like them.
Yeah, I've been a fan ever since he's been to go at Golden State.
Yeah, I mean, I remember him at Davidson.
Oh, we was killing it, man.
Shout out.
Jack was there.
Shout out, baby.
David's a native, baby.
He was killing him, man.
He went to the final four, right?
Elite eight.
He should have been in final four.
Should have beat Kansas.
God darn it.
But he's low-key ruined the game.
Oh, he broke the game.
No, he's ruined basketball.
Oh, yeah.
Because he'll throw up these crazy shots that like 15, 20 years ago, you'd say, what the
fuck are we doing?
Oh, he'd be on a bench.
But he makes him.
But now we got everyone trying to do this.
Right.
Now, it's crazy to me.
Like, you watch NBA basketball now.
It's like 43s a game.
It's unbelievable.
We had Joe Mizzoula.
There's only one doing that.
I know.
I give him credit, man.
He changed the game.
He did.
Completely.
One man.
One man.
Everybody thinks they could shoot threes now.
Yeah.
Speaking of another guy who changed a game.
What about Saquan Barkley last year?
Rejuvenating the running back position where everyone's been trying to abandon.
What's the state of the union on the running backs right now?
I don't really get it.
Like, the running back position been marquee from day one.
Day one?
I think all the positions are marquee.
Are they go hand in hand?
I think when that team started focusing on doing things by committee,
I think that's where the value of the running back kind of got diminished.
As they can see now, times get rough, late in them playoffs.
You need a running game.
You definitely need a running game.
So I'm glad he rejuvenated that position well, well needed, because I don't know.
I mean, if they want to do that, you could look, basically, you could look at every position they try to devalue it.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
Why that position?
So I'm glad he brought it back around and, and boosting him back up that running back position because for a while, man, it was looking bad.
Yeah.
The running, like the run game sets everything.
Like, you could win games with the past game.
Yes, you can.
And that's what is sexy and that's what's fun.
But the way to control a game is through the run game.
And so, like, you see these teams that go up and they get up on these high scores and they're like up 22 points and they don't have run game and these other teams come and they chase them down.
You know, the team that sits there and can control the game to try to win the game has the best opportunity usually to win to me, I think.
And I think in any, well, teams today, I would say like the team with the best running game,
nine times out of the team is going to win.
Yeah.
Definitely.
Nine out of ten.
There's that one time where the past could get it.
But there's so many things that have to happen.
So many things.
If you can control that clock, you got a better, better opportunity coming out with a W.
Yeah, because then you're also keeping the other explosive.
Off the field.
There's so many complimentary things that come around with the running back position.
So who's the Corey Dillon of the NFL this generation?
I'm going to have to go with King Henry, man.
I think.
King Henry.
Yeah, man.
I think we're all a little bit different, but we're kind of similar with the power and speed aspect.
Power and speed.
Yeah.
And that dude got a mean stiff arm too.
So I kind of like to watch him run.
If he ever gets a hold of this podcast, I got a, I got a,
suggestion for my big homie take the arm pads off bro that you got to feel the skin you got it
you got to feel that ball yeah man I had a problem with that definitely you used to wear him I used to
man and and I never like late in the game sweating slippery easy guy come swipe that thing popping around
on the on the field so me personally I took them off you get you yeah
Yeah, I'm definitely left arm.
I was dominantly left in it, so I always carried it in my left hand.
Yeah, I went sleeveless, man, and kind of cut down on some of that fumbling problem.
Yeah, it's tough to see that this is coming around Derek Henry right now.
Right.
Because he's never really had a problem.
Never.
You know, and then all the critics are going to say, well, he's getting older, this, that.
But it's, you know.
I don't think that's it.
And it could be simple as arm sleeve.
arm sleeve could be simple as arm sleeve yeah how do you work on um fumbling like if you get the
little bit of the fumbles like what do you do to try to like mix it up or try to like break through
and three points of contact right yeah man you got a bro you consciously like i'm gonna squeeze
the hell out of this ball and you got to be aware like when you get that last fumble he had man
honestly i don't think he knew big boy he i don't hutch he's strong too hutch is a lot
behind two is a monster bro i don't think he was aware he was behind no at all and that that easily
can happen to anybody so i'm not really going to fault them because of that but so sometimes just
like subconsciously you got to you got to have that in your mind like squeeze this ball yeah
it's just as simple as that stay behind it yeah what's what's the thought on the bengals these days
damn
damn
that's a great
that's a great thought
I love him
I love Joe Burrow man
I think he done
changed the whole
complexion of
how people view Cincinnati
but man
dude
that game last week
holy
yo
and that's my guy
from the dub
so you know I'm rooting
yeah
it was kind of
it was bad
but
they
they need
need Joe, man. I mean, they got a great squad. Chase,
Kiggins, Joe. And, you know, and it's funny, man, we, we, we talk about this running game.
I don't, I don't get it. Like, you got to, you got to implement that running game.
It takes the pressure off a second screen quarterback, quarterback coming in and thinking he got to
sling the ball 40 times a game just to win. You got to, you got to simplify the offense and, and get that
running game started it'll take a lot of pressure off the offense i mean prime example josh allen i was on
tv screaming dude we got to get this run game going let josh have to do josh for five plays a game
right don't let josh be josh for 40 plays hand that thing off set up like take the other let the other guys
get hit right and it also takes pressure off your offense align who likes to go forward instead of
fucking sit and pass blocking all day
when you can get all these fucking games and stuff.
Right. So, like, that's why
it's important to have
the run game. Yeah.
Sets it up. Sets everything up.
Sets it up. And I'm not just saying that because
I'm a running.
That's coming from
Edelman, man. I mean, I agree
with it. Absolutely. But, well,
for me, though, like, when you had a good
running game, you would get the one-on-one
matchups. You know what I mean?
So they would have to take that safety
and if they bring that safety in the box,
that means there's a less guy deep,
so you're going to have better coverage as a receiver.
Yeah, man.
Yeah, it's simple.
It's simple.
I don't know where the game got so pass happy.
But it happens.
Some of those offenses is.
You've got to be able to pass to win.
That's the thing.
You got to be able to.
You have a great passing game.
You can't win with just the running game,
but that's how you get long sustained success.
is through a running game.
There's going to be a third down, a fourth down,
that you're going to have to complete a pass
in a drop-back pass offense.
But it'll be a lot easier
when you've been beating up on that defensive line
all fucking game while running the ball.
They're not going to be coming out like a bat out of hell.
Yeah, it's, I don't know.
Get it third and short.
You know what I mean?
Like, you can control that running the ball.
Of course you're going to have like third and five.
and third and sevens, and that's where the past game, you know, kicks in and takes effect.
You know what I mean?
Let's get into your run style.
Okay.
How would you describe your run style?
I watched a lot of Jim Brown.
Jim Brown.
Nice.
Film, man.
And that's who I wanted to be like, you know?
I watched a lot.
It looked like, you know what, he get hit, he get up slow, you know, stumble back to the huddle,
and come back and run you over again
and it was just repeated
and I was just watching him
all that film I was watching
he was big
strong fast
and I'm like hmm
I'm gonna try to patent my game after that
and then on top of that
I you know I grew up watching football
so it was like the Tony Dorsets
yeah try to steal a little bit from him
the Eric Dickerson's
they try to yeah big guys
fast
take a little from him
Earl Campbell's
Walter Payton's
Barry Sanders
I never could be like that
that dude is phenomenal
but yeah I just used to watch
the running back position and watch all these great
running backs and then be like
hmm I like that I'm gonna take a little bit from there
take a little bit from there
and then you know what kind of form my own style
which my thing was
I call it my little bag
Like, you know, I may start off the first two quarters running you over,
setting you up.
Next two quarters, I might try to dance around you and mix it up.
So, or vice versa, you know, just depends on what kind of what they're giving me.
Kind of worked out.
It worked out pretty good.
But you also, you were always like really good, like the duo play.
You know, duo where you have the two double teams and the running back really has to set that up.
It's all vision, man.
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
And you can't be too early to the cut or the fucking the guy scrapes over.
Yeah.
Can you explain that?
I was real.
Well, we had this Jim Anderson, running back coach for Cincinnati.
This is what he preached to me constantly.
Slow to fast through, meaning footwork and press the line.
But at a pace where you could see the cuts.
And that's all I really did
I never went full speed
Grabbing that ball
I was always on my footwork
And a little patient enough
Where I pressed that line
Where I could see multiple cuts
And just by doing that alone
Things are open up
Like I can see the backside
See the defense over pursuing
And then you know what
As soon as I see that opening
That's when I explode through
Yeah
And then once you get there
You're looking for
I'm looking for whoever wants the smoke.
Whoever wants the smoke.
Did you ever get to meet Jim Brown?
Yes.
And it was funny, man.
Met him a couple times.
Great dude.
Met him first time I was over.
I was playing Encino Golf Course.
And he used to be out there all the time.
So what was funny, he was like, yeah, I know you.
You played some pretty good ball.
And I was like, wow, the great job.
Jim Brown.
He actually knew.
You know what I mean?
So you meet one of your idols and they're speaking highly of you, man.
It's a good feeling.
Yeah.
That's awesome, man.
Jim Brown.
I met him.
Bill took us.
I want to say I met Bill or Bill took us to the Hall of Fame like for a team trip or something.
I don't know why we were over there.
But when it's like a team trip there, I think Jim Brown was there.
and I shook his hand.
I didn't get to, like, talk with him or anything.
But it's fucking Jim Brown's got that big of impact.
Oh, yeah, man.
Like, he just got aura.
Like, we all talk about all these little kids,
talking about aura.
Yeah.
Fucking Jim Brown got aura.
You know what?
I call him the godfather of running backs, man.
I think every running back wanted to be like him in some aspects.
So he looked like a,
he looked like a varsity high school.
player playing against
eighth graders.
Yeah, Pop Warner.
Easy.
Like, you know what I mean?
It's just like, and that's honestly
low-key when we were talking about Derek Henry,
I met when he had it before the fumble started
to happen in this year, he was wrecking that team.
And he stiffed arm a couple of these
Buffalo Bills, professional athlete safeties.
Right.
Making them look like little kids.
I was thinking Jim Brown.
Yeah.
That's what Jim Brown used to do to guys.
All day, every day.
Yes.
So, yeah, man, that legend.
I think he birthed a lot of good running backs.
He did.
We just had Lorenzo Neal on the show.
Oh, yeah.
That guy said something else.
LoNeil.
Yeah, man.
He looks like a fullback.
But we had the conversation because in our research, like, Jim Brown is sometimes referred
to as a fullback, sometimes referred to as a halfback.
Like, it's just interesting where the fullbacks claim.
them they don't claim them just doesn't matter he's an incredible back he's a tailback that
could do anything yeah yeah but all that like pf r calls him a fullback but it's like he's really
running back no no no just and shots out to low low nil man that guy great times with that's a funny
with that guy man um and yeah man full back position that dude there's been many of times he got up
in there and got on that linebacker gave me
space to do my thing so big up to him as well now we just uh we had james devlin on it also
we asked about the fullback running back relationship and what did jimmy say he said that like
he he felt like a protector for the running back and like whatever the running back he learned
a lot from the running backs when he was in usFL because how he blocked would they would be like
all right you're not doing it or what's that relationship with the tailback and full
back on the other direction.
Man, we got to be in sync because, you know what?
Like, my thing, like, I used to tell low-neil, man, like, make a decision quick.
Like, I used to look at head placement on which way I'm going to cut.
Like, if he got his head outside or, yeah, I'm, you know what, I'm going to keep it to the
left.
If he got it inside, you know what?
I'm going to cut it back in.
So having those conversations and that relationship and where he knows, like, however he's
blocking that guy.
Yeah.
My guy's going to make, make a quick decision.
Those are things you need to know.
Like if you're at the cafeteria and there's like a group of guys and getting ready to go to the hot food station, does you see like little low, Neil?
Does he's like burgeon away for you to get through?
Oh, man. Bulldozing.
Bulldozing away.
In the hallway.
Yeah. Bulldozing away, man.
I have never.
Hey.
And we had that, we had that type of relationship where.
I knew he was going to go out there and get active and do him.
I never worried about that.
My thing was just like,
as soon as he made that contact where the play is,
just reading off him, man.
And we had a lot of success doing that.
He did.
Yeah.
He did.
Now take us through, we know you as a Cincinnati Bengal.
Yeah.
That's what this game is.
But let's talk about when you went to New England.
Oh, wow.
Let's talk.
How did that happen?
We all, we know.
But I want to hear it from you.
I want to hear it from you.
Well, well, here was a situation.
I got hurt in 03.
So I think I, you know, partially tore my, what was it,
MCL, tore my groin.
So I was, I missed like eight games, man.
I was on the show.
And this is back in the day
when running backs were getting like 800 carries a year.
Yeah, so I was on the shelf.
And RIP to my guy, Rudy Johnson,
man um he came in and stepped up and he played very well so i was thinking like
hmm and i'm getting up there this is like my seventh seventh season and there was
rumors of i'm sitting at home there was a rumor of the bengals trying to trade me to dallas
and i'm like really i said okay okay i said no problem i mean i'm just saying
And in my mind, I'm like, yeah, just keep that same energy when I get all healed up and
and I'm going to finish out the season and we're going to reopen this situation.
And yeah, I went in.
I was speaking to Marvin Lewis and I was just like, you know what?
It's been nice.
I think my time is up here.
I like to move on and go somewhere.
And it was just as simple as that.
And I'm just looking at it from a standpoint of.
Seven years, man, I was, we didn't win that much.
And I'm, and I'm kind of, you know, looking in the mirror and looking at my career of, man, I probably got two to three more left.
Where do you want to go with this?
What you want to do?
So, and then as you know, like, I heard this.
I heard this a lot.
It was, it was media play of the Patriot way.
I didn't know what they hell that was.
They got a cold over there?
Or is it
Some militant
Some kind of
You know
I didn't
And the media was like
Oh
Yeah Corey's not a
Patriot way guy
That would never work
And I'm just thinking like
Shit maybe I don't want to go there either
I don't know
You know
I just like to play football
And
Rodney Harrison
We had the same agent at that time
I give him big props
I think he went in there
And spoke on my behalf
you know and that's where the interest kicked up
and you know what
I didn't think I was ever going to get traded
to be honest with you I was just talking shit like yeah
you know you give me a body here whatever
and it picked up it picked up
and next thing I know I'm actually chilling at home
and I see across the ticker like
oh man Bangles trade Corey did
that's how you find out
bottom ticker
Like, I'm sitting there with a piece of chicken.
Like, wait, wait a minute.
Like, what?
And then, you know, I get the call.
I get the call.
My age, he's funny, man.
He's funny.
And he's like, yeah, man.
It's going down.
So you're a patriot now.
And that's a whole, whole different experience, man, to be honest with you.
Who calls you first from the Patriots?
Actually, let me kick back until.
how it really, like, transpired.
I actually went down and seen Scott and Bill first.
I didn't, I'm just meeting them and just saying, you know, hello.
And they asked me a couple questions like, you know, you know Bill's straightforward.
Yeah, Corey, I know all the shit going on in Cincinnati.
And I just, I told them straight up.
I was just like, man, it's all predicated on me just wanting to win, win football games.
And he asked me one more question.
And he said, you know what?
You think you could play for us?
I was like, absolutely.
We kind of, it was like a two to five minute meeting, got up, left.
Never thought about it.
Never thought about, you know, they actually trade for me.
Kind of left it alone until it came across the ticker and was like, oh shit, it's going down.
So, yeah, it was, it was simple.
It was just a simple process of, I don't know if that was tampering back then.
I don't know.
I don't know, but it was Scott Piole and Bill,
and yeah, two to five minutes, man, and we're out of there.
Bill just needed to hear you say, I just want to win.
That part of it.
That's all he.
That part of it, man.
And because 1,600 yards, 12 touchdowns, your first season.
That's all he wanted to hear.
Well, that as well, but he just wanted to see it.
If he was about winning, then he believed that his environment,
he would adapt to it.
There you go.
He would see Tom Brady.
He would see Rodney and everybody else.
And then, you know what?
The whole thing about the Patriot, well, you know what?
I just kind of figured out is just doing your job, which I was pretty damn good.
One of the best.
Doing my job and being quiet and, you know, I'm like, yeah, I can do this.
Absolutely.
So it worked, I think my personality kind of matched like what they, what they wanted, you know,
because all I wanted to do just go out there and play football and I didn't really care on how it looked.
As long as you were winning, I'm good with it.
So you're coming from Cincinnati.
Yes.
What's the first thing that comes through your head when you enter New England?
Because they already, they just won the Super Bowl.
They just won the Super Bowl.
Yeah, man.
You get into, you get into New England.
What do you, like, fuck.
Pitching yourself?
That part of it.
I'm like, yo, like, that's what, man, I'm going to tell you, I'm going to be straight up, man.
That's a lot of pressure, though, man.
It was a lot of pressure because I'm thinking like, damn, they just won a school bowl.
What in the hell did you need me for?
You know what I mean?
Yeah.
So that's a lot of pressure.
And then it was the whole thing of me leaving Cincinnati going there.
So that was a story itself
And then the Patriot way
Is he got to fit in or not
But once I got there man
You know I don't played against these guys for a long time
I know some of these guys, man
We're cool
So the thing I loved about it is like
From a organization and players' perspective
They welcomed me
You know, it was cool
They made me feel at home
And that kind of took some of the pressure off
and some of the stuff I was thinking.
And then when it comes down to it, man, to me,
it was like, man, all I got to do is show up and play ball.
And that was the only focus on my mind.
And if I do that, man, everything's going to work itself out.
So, and that's basically what happened in 2004.
I just showed up and play ball.
What was the first encounter with Bill like?
Oh, man.
You know what?
After you guys signed.
Hey, I kind of got the feeling, like, Bill is not the person to be fucked with me.
I'm dead serious.
He had this fear factor with the players of, like, man, he is not playing no game.
So if you ever sat in some of them team meeting rooms with him, he is funny as I don't know.
I mean, got a funny sense of humor.
He'll tell you like, hey, man, you don't want to do it my way.
I will walk you to the door myself.
And he's serious.
So I took that man very, very serious.
And I was like, man, I do not want to do anything to get on this man bad side.
So, yeah, it was a self-checker for me.
Like, man, I'm always on top of my game because he will call you out.
Oh, yeah.
He definitely will call you out.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
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Now, how was the O line?
Like, how was light?
Was light like just the funniest human being in the world?
Oh, my God.
He was, man, always, always pulling some kind of joke or talking shit or something along that line.
I mean, he kind of lightened up the, you know, the room.
And, oh, man, it was him and Drewsey and the rest of the guys, man, it was just funny.
Yeah.
I think we had a real, that offense was real, real fun.
I mean, even though, like, we knew the assignment and at times, things are super serious
and we're all about the execution.
But, you know, we had some funny guys on that old where things, I mean, even in like situations
out there on the field where made things kind of light and we was like, oh, man, we got this.
you know so matt light is one of those guys he was always coach a coach was always on him like
matt shut the fuck he was like quiet he's always cracking some kind of joke so it was it
it was good man that whole team man that oh 14 young brady ish king barry was in there
i was king brady then man i tell you one thing man this is when i got there man
I love the guy because you know what
I'm just getting there
and we'd be in some pressure situations out there
this guy did not flinch
one bit
you ain't never seen that
I have never seen that
and you can
identify with this like when that guy calls
your number
in that huddle
man you run through 10 brick walls for this guy
I mean there's their situation
he was like
A, Rock, he used to call me Rock.
He's like, Rock, we need this first down to seal this game.
We're giving it to you like three times in a row if we have to.
And I'm like, bad, I got this.
You know what I mean?
And, bro, sure enough, like, man, just a little extra pep in my step.
Yeah.
He called me out like, yeah, we need this.
Three times in a row.
Let's get the first and seal the game.
So, hell of competitor.
I just loved his mental aspect about the gang.
He first went in, first went out,
had the whole locker room respect.
Good dude, man.
Good dude.
If he was here, he'd be hanging out, talking shit too.
Yeah.
That's the type of person.
Maybe one day.
Maybe one day.
Yeah.
Hey, one day.
Hey, you like the president now.
It's hard to catch up with this guy.
Maybe one day.
Hey, man, can I get a, hey, man, can you,
can you friend me on IG?
Something, man.
Hey, we got a better luck
of getting the Pope in here
for the guy.
It's right.
He's a football guy.
Hey, man.
Who is the team asshole?
Oh, my God.
But that we all loved.
Let me see.
Oh, my God.
There's some guys out there.
There's the Braebles.
There's the...
There's the...
Ha!
You hit it.
You hit it.
First try.
Oh, man, Braves is something.
different man
always going against the grain like
nah this is not why are we doing this
you know yeah so
and him and him and him and him and bill
was always into it about something
Braves is a good dude though man
good yeah that's frames man
hell of a player man yeah smart
smart smart smart
smart player and and you know
this is they preach this this is what Bill wants
tough, smart football players
Braves is one of those people
Oh yeah
How do you think he's gonna
Do you know he's gonna be a head coach
Did you know he's gonna be
I never
I never thought about that
I'm like I used to run his ass over in practice
Now he's the head coach
So I look at this guy man
But no man
It fits him
Yeah it fits him man
He was one of those brilliant minds out there
Do you watch the Pats at all?
Yeah I catch up
I catch him.
You can't win when you turn it over five turnovers.
You can't do that.
Jeez.
You can't win like that.
So you were a bona fide star when you got up brought into New England,
and they were just coming off of a Super Bowl.
Was there any issues with jelling into the roster?
You know what?
I had, this is my brother too, man.
Kevin Falk, bro.
Hey, he's a legend.
Man, this guy, his locker was right next to mine.
And he used to say, man, bro, you're here for a real.
reason. You know what I mean? That made me feel comfortable. You know, like, you're here for a reason.
You know what I mean? And there are some things I couldn't do. K. Falk was a monster. He was
the Swiss Army knife. He could do it all. Like, my big ass ain't going out there running no routes
like Kevin Falk. Yeah. Now ain't going to work. So I think me and him just talking and him letting
to me know like bro do your thing you know this is this is a team nobody nobody's bigger than
another guy and i and i really felt that coming in that building like man we're going to go out here
and i never i never was a stat guy anyway i never really sat back and like oh i need a hundred
yards this game i just go out there and play man you know what i mean and whatever happens at the
end of the game that's what it is but that guy was like yeah man you're here for a reason
let's go out there and get it.
And we compliment each other like good.
Yeah.
And it was one hell of a running back as well.
He was.
I played with him.
Yeah.
He was older when I got there.
He was older when I got there.
Yeah.
But he taught me how to catch puns.
He was my punk guy because he was the hands guy.
And then on top of that, like, he shared everything.
Me and him chopped it up.
We talked.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Play.
Great teammate.
Great.
teammate he filled me in on things i needed to know yeah so yeah that's my bro man love k
shout out k fall now take us through when you win a super bowl one year in oh wow it's like it
worked yes patriot what yeah yeah and and it was listen i've been chasing that part of football
Since I was Pop Warner, man, I always get to the big games, maybe take a L, never won one, high school, you know, never getting to the state championship, you know, so I've been, that's been haunting me for the longest of actually getting into a championship game and actually winning one.
I think, I think that that Super Bowl just to me, like kind of satisfied that child football player.
and me, it was like, yeah, we finally got it.
Heck yeah.
I mean, nothing like it.
Nothing like it.
There is nothing like winning a chip, man.
You know what?
I was like a deer in headlights, man.
You sit there and you see that ball being kicked off
and all those flashes going off at the same time.
You can get overwhelmed.
I was like, oh, shit, where am I?
Yeah.
Until I got hit.
And then I came back to reality.
It was like, yeah, man, we're in a football game.
And the Eagles at the time was pretty.
pretty, they were pretty stout, man.
That was a very good team we played and ended up edging them out by three.
So good game.
T.O. came out with a broken leg and got 1.30 on him or so.
And we're still bawling.
Still bawling.
I was like, he's not human.
He's not.
Who is this guy?
But it's crazy because you were like the first star brought in to the Patriot Way.
Yeah. Yeah.
Do you think that it eventually?
Yes, it did.
It got them to get Randy Moss.
Yes.
Yeah.
So, hey, I never, it was never spoken, you know.
And I didn't really, I didn't really think about that until well after I was done.
But I truly believe, maybe I'm wrong.
Bill or call me or shoot me a text if I'm off, if I'm off beat with this.
But I think the way I conducted myself there kind of opened up the doors for the Randy Moss is another guy.
I do too for sure and Bill used to reference you all the time yeah in a great way
I love Bill man Bill is I had a great respect for him man because you know what I think
I understood him I got him you know what I mean like either you could do either you could do it
or you can't and he's you know let me know yeah I think I'm kind of like that in my life too
like can you can you do it or not so I I understood I understood them
and then also I understood the assignment like I get you I'm not I'm here I'm here
just personally like I'm gonna give you all I got you know I'm gonna go out there and
and play my ass off don't worry about that part for me and I think that just kind of ties into
everything he preaches and what he was about and we had it we had a we had a real good
good relationship yeah that's good to hear that yeah
Well, let's go back into time.
And this is a segment where you go over
pop culture around when the game took place.
This game took place October 22nd, 2000.
Number one movie, Meet the Parents.
Actually, really good movie.
Shut out, Ben Stiller.
Oh, wow.
Those are some funny.
I'm old as hell.
Number one's song, Come On Over Baby by Christine Aguilera.
Oh, we remember that one.
I don't remember that one.
Come on over.
Come on over, baby.
Pop culture, remember the Titans, that was a fucking one.
Bring it on.
Castaway, we're all in the boxed offices.
Castaway.
That's a good dog name, Wilson, because he was so best friends with the thing.
With the volleyball?
Yeah.
It's a dog name.
It is.
I remember going to, me and my parents took me.
My parents on Thanksgiving, remember the Titans came out.
Oh, yeah, man.
We went out and watched it.
You see, you're a full-grown man.
I'm like a little kid.
I watched that damn thing.
I started crying.
and stuff.
Strong side, left side.
Peaty.
Yeah.
Super Bowl champions were the Ravens.
That was an unbelievable defense.
Marshall Falk was the MVP.
What another insane running better.
Yes, indeed.
Oklahoma took down the natty
and Chris Winky,
who was probably like 42,
got out of the way.
He was a bouncebacker.
He'd been playing minor league ball
for a decade.
Peer work was on that team
that won the national championship with him.
Yeah, good teammate am I?
Yes.
Legend.
Real quick.
Number 28.
Why is that the best number for a running back?
I don't know.
I just think it's the protocol number for,
I didn't even pick it.
It was just in the locker.
Like, it found you.
Yeah.
This is what you're wearing.
Yeah.
And I'm just like, I roll with it.
I said, all right, cool.
Yeah.
Who other 28?
Marshall Falk.
Fred Taylor.
Freddie T.
Yeah, man.
A lot of us, man.
Freddie T.
And you guys, you were kind of similar because you guys were both big ass dudes.
That's my guy, man.
Adrian Peterson.
work for a while ap yeah freddie t man same division man i mean if you if you can make if you can make
a pro ball out of the division we played in fred t jerome bittas bro you really doing something
and then what's isn't who was the eddie george we it was or you guys are lewis who you guys went
with the baltimore ravens were you in that division yes we played them twice a year yeah we
seen who was there they had the guy who broke the record like jama louis
Yeah, it was, that was running back you.
That was.
It was stacked, man.
No, that was running back P.
Professional.
Man.
The universities, the kids.
Man, that thing was, we're running backs.
That's, it was so stacked up.
Chris Johnson, we're 28.
Curtis Martin.
Speaking of my favorite, Martin.
It's my favorite Martin.
Speaking of which, to Corey's point, 2000 was maybe the pinnacle of all running back seasons ever, a record 23 back.
rush for over a thousand yards 23 backs it could be is it the greatest year for the
running back you guys we ain't gonna see that now no definitely not now not not but half of
these teams doing things by committee you will probably never see the likes of say
kuan barkley again when he goes might a rare that bejean robinson's kind of
oh he's bad boy oh he's like if they give that board of rock so I know but
That's another thing goes to the point.
The point, yeah, man.
They're not giving the rock like they did.
Yeah.
They used to feed you guys.
Let me, all right, let me redefine what.
If they ever get back to giving one guy like 25, 20 to 25, 30 carries a game, you'll see it.
But that's going to be rare.
It's going to be rare.
So, yeah, I think we're in a last, into it comes back in style, hopefully.
where one running back can kind of control the show
and then you know you have you have some pretty good
other runners come in sparingly but that one guy
you got to have a one guy there's got a big good complimentary
that's why I liked Detroit now
they got Gibbs and Montgomery
and that's a bad tandem I like them
those are some those are some good boys
and what he did against Baltimore the other day
yo yeah man
me like that's aFC north football i thought it's supposed to be tough in the yeah are they hurt though
aren't they hurt in the middle of the i think they got hurt i think i think one of the backers yeah
you got to be you got to be missing something to be giving that up yeah 150th you're probably
on the ground yeah so did you play baseball yeah i did i play baseball i got drafted by the poddress
that's what i mean yeah so 2000 corey dillon could have played in
MLB, maybe?
Yeah, I just got scared, man.
I got scared of getting stuck in the minor leagues, man.
I was like, fuck that, man.
Man, I could play third, second, center left.
I was just, yeah, all over the place, man.
I think baseball was my second love.
Man, I played that faithfully, too.
Yeah.
Yeah, so just the thoughts of, like, you know what,
this whole minor league thing compared to, like,
dude you're you football ready
getting go
get and go
kind of steered me down
the football path
you ever talked to brady
about him being drafted
I never knew that
he was a catcher
what
yeah
I didn't know that
Montreal Expos
where Barry Bonds went
no way
see their school
their school
had some from that area
that school was like
they had so they had
Lynn Swan come from there
Barry
yeah
had some
legends
yeah
I didn't know
I didn't really know that part
yeah no one really knows that
I mean he's such the goat
you would you would know it would have been good too
I anything that man puts his mind to
I think he's gonna be y'all right
so what was what was on the
Cory Dylan pregame list
Walkman oh man
do you have tapes or CDs you ready for this
face boost
both I think I
graduated to the CDs by then, but, man, you know, I'm bumping a little bit of E40, C-Bold.
Yeah, man, little MC8, Ice Q, you know.
West Coast rap.
All West Coast, man.
Bay Rast-Manly, mainly Bay Area.
Be legit and in the celly sales.
Mac Mall.
MacDray.
Hey, Dre Dog was his original name.
Yeah, and he went to, yeah, yeah.
And he got up in Kansas.
Yeah, man.
So that was my deal.
I was a hyphy movement kid.
I'm from the Bay.
Oh, man, you're jumping out of stop license.
Goz-Ri-Go-Sk.
Yeah, you go.
Shaking him out of great.
I knew I liked you.
This is my guy.
I knew it.
I knew it was something about him.
You said he 40, man.
I went to Kent State in 06, and my ghetto report card just came out.
Oh, yeah, man.
And I rocked that out there.
People are looking, what the fuck is this music?
Because everyone's from, like, Maryland.
Yeah, man.
We had a lunch of Florida kids.
D.C. Cats.
Like, what is this shit?
Because you couldn't hear music like nowadays.
Right, right.
Man, I grew up on like too short and all that,
and the Richie Riches and all that.
That's amazing.
Yeah, man, that's always been a part of me.
I slap in a little, little base, something.
Get my mind right and go out there and get down.
Got to.
Marshaun, shout out.
There it is.
Jackie, let's break down these teams.
Let's get into these Broncos real quick.
The 2000 Broncos won 11 and 5.
To put it into a little context,
where two years removed,
the second year of the post-Elway era, if you will.
Six year of the Mike Shanahan era.
Gary Kubiak was running that offense.
I remember him down in Houston everywhere.
Grand Robinson run the defense.
Son's a coach.
Clint Kubiak is the O.C.
He was Houston last year.
Started off super hot.
Now he's somewhere this year and they're doing pretty well.
Offense of coordinator in Seattle.
There you go.
Yeah.
I mean, heck of a coaching football family there.
Look at the, and then the Shanahan, you got his sons.
It all.
There's so many crosses over in the NFL.
And then you got Terrell Davis, of course,
speaking of great running back,
saying banged up this year,
only played five games.
So that gave way to Mike Anderson,
who bawled the heck out this year,
offensive rookie of the year.
How good was Terrell Davis?
Man.
He was good, but that system was awesome.
You got to talk about a zone blocking scheme.
How many yards could you have got me if you play for the blockers?
I'm going thriller.
around we this
I mean
I would have loved it
shanhan so that was
the running backs knew
around the league
if you were in a Shanahan scheme
oh dude
that zone scheme
they ran was beautiful
I would I would
I would ate all day
yeah what made it so conducive
to running backs
well I mean
dude it's just the way
they set that thing up man
I mean everything
would just float
it was like
like one step
it was just all unity
man that dude all he had to do is just touch the rock and make a decision and he had lanes for days
bro it was just like it wasn't he he wasn't really back there stutter and and trying to find a hole
like no he's seen it yeah multiple options is just exploding upfield with the ball man that's
that's all a running back really wants yeah yeah multiple options and one cut and getting up field
with the ball i mean mike anderson went for four almost 1500 yards as a rookie 15 touchdowns
Like, that's insane.
Who's the other guy that came in after Mike Anderson?
Porter's.
Oh, yeah, Clinton, Port.
That system was unbelievable.
We got about ACL, too, at the U.
Yeah, man.
How about that?
When I was a kid.
Man, he was a beast, bro.
They had a real good system up there.
Yeah.
We got to talk about some of these other dudes on this team.
We got Ed McCaffrey, you got Rod Smith, Desmond Clark, I mean, Terrell Buckley,
Bill Romanowski.
Who, scary dude.
Who, scary dude.
Jason Eelham, great kicker.
Great kicker?
Well, let me just drop in some of these thousand yards
Broncos running backs.
Orlando, Gary, Mike Anderson, Clinton Portis twice,
Ruben Drones, Mike Anderson, Tatum Bell,
Willis McGahey, Nosham-Merano,
C.J. Anderson, all had 1,000 yards.
Yeah, man.
The Broncos.
The system was nice.
That was a good system.
Yes, it was.
So what was this era of Broncos when you were playing?
They were good, man.
This is, that's a, they just wasn't good on that day against us,
but overall, they were good, man.
Dude, there were number two in Rush.
Yeah.
They had a stout defense, man.
That was just like, I don't know, like I said, it wasn't a fluke,
but I just think we were just, our grind was a little bit different than there.
We were fighting just to win our first game.
And then overall consensus on Cincinnati is we kind of took that personal teams coming in
overlooking us like, it's going to be easy.
Yeah.
We took pride in going out there and putting a fight to some of these teams.
So we caught them.
Yeah.
We caught them.
Jack, let's get in.
Should we get into these Bengals real quick?
Yeah, let's get in the Bengals.
Tough start.
Start out 0 and 6, as we mentioned earlier.
Ended the season 4 and 12.
Had a coaching change in there.
Week 4, Bruce Costlet replaced by Dick Lobo.
You guys remember Dick Leboe from Pittsburgh.
We're in their defense for over 10 years over there.
Two Super Bowls.
Two Super Bowls, heck of a career.
notable rookies. We mentioned Peter Warwick
earlier. Electric FSU
legend. Neil Rackers, good kicker.
Good play in this game. And this was the
first year of the primarily
Achilles Smith
starting year. Came in for
Jeff Blake the year before that. Primarily,
right, I think. So that was
a big change in the offense and
mentioned it also a little bit earlier. First
year at the new Paul Brown Stadium.
New Paul Brown Stadium.
All right. So break down this
Bengals era. Yeah.
we were struggling
buddy
without a doubt you can see that record
but you know what
I wouldn't trade those times
for nothing man
I played with some real
good players
and when times are rough
you can gauge somebody
not nobody on that roster
you know
gave up and tanked
we all every game
we went out there and we believe like yeah we're going to win the game so shots out to them bangles
teams I played on in the players man and that's something I cherish to this day man when I when I see
some of my fellow teammates from Cincinnati man yeah we fought bro yeah we fought what's it like
going through a coaching change man it's mid-season it's tough it's tough I mean how much how much can
anything really change it's probably the same thing isn't it's the same thing isn't it's the same
thing because you know what they're not going to change the offense yeah in the middle of the season
it's impossible i mean and look like you know Achille was rookie coming in that that offense ain't
going to change as much i think the emphasis on that year was hell we got to run the ball more
i smiled like yeah give me the rock sweet good let's get it hell yeah let's go so yeah it was it was
tough on everybody, man. Losing
like year after year, man,
that's wearing.
Yeah. It's wearing and it sucks.
So, and everybody knows, like,
winning cures a lot of stuff.
A lot of things. So,
yeah, we went through some tough times, but
the bond between us
on them teams, them players,
hey man, dude,
I never forget that. We brothers for life, man.
We went through, we fought some real tough wars.
Who are some of your guys?
Adrian, Raw.
Nick Williams, I mean, Peter, Chad, T.J. Husmazada, Achille, you know what I mean?
TJ played there a long time.
Yeah, man. Tekeo Spikes.
Tekeo is a monster.
Brian Simmons, Artrelle Hawkins.
Yeah, these are my guys, man.
All of them.
I mean, and we can sit, we old as hell now.
We can sit back and laugh about some of this stuff.
But, man, we fought hard.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
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What was a young Chad Johnson like?
You guys ready for this?
Lay it on.
Oh, yes.
Believe it or not, Chad was quiet, man.
He was so quiet.
Couldn't get that guy to say nothing for the first two years.
Wow.
We're talking about the same Chad Johnson?
Oh, yeah.
That guy.
Not Jack.
McDonald's and Quiet.
Wow.
That should be his memoir title.
Yeah, man.
He was, he was.
He was so quiet.
Like, I'd be like, what's up, Chad?
He'd just be like, hmm, what's up, man?
Nothing like the Chad we see now.
I love that guy, man.
What did that shift?
I play with Chad when he was older.
Yeah, I don't, I don't know.
I think he came into his own.
Twitter.
Seriously, no, because he was like the first dude with like a million followers as an NFL guy.
Maybe he caught it before everybody else caught it.
I mean, like, I don't know.
I remember young Chad, man.
he was very quiet.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So now you look at him, man.
He's doing his thing, man.
He's killing him.
Yeah, much love to Chad, man.
Good dude.
He's hilarious.
How much was Tikeo Spikes a friggin' monster?
Man, that boy neck is like way out.
Yeah, man.
You ever have to go nine on seven against him?
Yeah, all the time.
It's like he was fast, strong,
and played the game with just like you're supposed to play.
So, yeah, man.
So our little seven-on-sevons and running R-Bs against the line, it was epic.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
And, you know, slapping me out there, they always trying to get one up on me.
So it was always a war.
So good wars, too.
So, yeah, that guy, one hell of a linebacker.
He was.
How was Cincinnati as a sports town?
They love their sports.
They love their sports.
They love their sports, man.
Whether it's the Reds or the Bengals,
everybody's invested.
So, you know what?
I know we put them through some bad times,
but they kept coming, man.
That's a sports town.
Skyline or Gold Star?
Oh, shit, I'm going Skyline.
Skyline.
I was a Gold Star guy.
I was a Northeast Ohio kid.
I went to school up there.
I thought, honestly, both the chilies taste a little weird.
to me. Get ready
later on that night.
Be prepared.
I'll tell you that, but yeah.
Be prepared. Jackie,
jump into the game. Let's get in this quick little
lead up here. Denver, the big storyline.
Terrell Davis was banged up. This was
a Mike Anderson era. They dropped a couple
close ones early. Lost to Kansas
City, lost to the Pats.
And then over on the Cincinnati
side, struggling a little bit. We talked about
Achilles Smith's first year at the helm.
Honestly, just looking for a win in this
New stadium, this new millennium, Denver entered 4 and 3 with the league's second best rushed
events. I believe they're averaging 61.1 yards a game allowed, which is pretty darn incredible,
pretty stout. Cincinnati, on the other hand, 0 and 6, and then looking for a first win at their
new home. And in this new millennium, brings us to week 8.
So what was the game plan to get your first win in the new stadium?
Man. Give you the rock.
let's just go out there and play hard yeah you know i think the consensus in the in the locker room was
yeah we're all in six bro let's do something about it you know and and and we kind of felt like you know
what they're coming in on that high horse too they think it's going to be easy and our thing was
let's not make it easy for them let's not make it easy for them and i think we as as a as a team
that was that was our focus we're not we're going to it's not going to be easy for him and i mean you
guys go through a quarterback change right but the one constant was that you were running the rock
when did you feel that there was going to be a special day man i think i broke one off for like
60 and i was like oh yeah this is it's time it's time this time we're eating
Yeah, we're eating today.
And you know what?
I think that put us up.
I'm not for sure.
But the score was close.
We're like neck and neck.
And I'm like, yeah, we got this.
We got this.
So as the game went on, I just felt stronger.
You know, so
kudos to that offensive line,
Big Willie and the crew, man.
They blocked their ass off that game, man.
Yeah.
They created some massive holes for me.
made it super easy.
All I had to do was just, you know,
but I make one cut, and I was out.
Wow, Big Willie.
Shout out.
Speaking of the big boys on the line,
I know quarterbacks to it,
but did you guys ever hook him up
with any sick gifts?
Oh, man, you know,
I bought watches for the fellas.
I mean, you know,
I got paid one day.
Got to look out for the guy.
And they looked at me like,
yeah, you got that check.
What's coming?
Absolutely.
Got to.
Yeah, you got to.
Broleys.
Yeah.
Something light, some light.
You got to keep them invested, man, absolutely.
So what were they doing trying to slow you down?
You know what?
To be honest with you, that team was like from sideline to sideline, they were fast-flowing.
And I kind of picked up on this early.
Like, if we could get them going in one direction and make a cut, the floodgates is open.
I think there was one play where, and you could see it like Peter Ward on a reverse.
We got going one way
And he reversed it back to the left
And went for 80
Yeah
To the crib
To the crib
To the crib
And I was just looking like
Yeah they're over pursuing like
Like crazy
So let me start setting them up
Just getting you know
Getting going one way
And then looking for that backside cut
And sure enough man
There was no backside cut off
Yeah
It was wide open
Why open
Someone's getting yelled at next week
So my baby
fired demoted some yeah that was late in the second quarter that was a good momentum going into
the half a jason illam missed field goal keeps it a one score game 14 10 at the half you guys are
excited at halftime because you guys were pumped we're in it lot yeah corny already broken off
some big runs you got a 31 yard piece 21 yard I mean brain and bent it everybody's getting involved
everybody's eating and we're thinking like yeah what we said earlier we're not making it
easy for him we can win this game yeah and so already had 161 rushing yards at the half since he did
161 crazy then you have a crazy last five minutes where you you i think you go 40 60 and the like
the four minute offense situation you break that long run and you go and you score right take us through
that play beat for beat dude honestly man i'm just trying to stay in bounds and preserve the game yeah
I had no clue on where I was, yardage-wise, at none.
My mindset was like, whatever you do, do not step out of bounds, keep that clock running, and ice the game.
And it was like a zone run to the right.
And, man, and they, like I said, they over-pursued.
And by time I touched the ball, there was somebody already in the backfield.
So, yeah, so I cut back to the left.
And the only guy out there really was, I think it was Terrell Buckley.
He was, he was the last man left.
And I kind of, I kind of set him up, jukeed him, got around them.
And I'm cautious of looking at that sideline.
I was, I was very close out on the sideline.
I'm just like, just stay in bounds.
And once I got past him and stumbled in the end zone, I'm like, yeah, game done.
Game is done.
That's it.
Game time.
So, and then coming off, you know, we're pre-celebrating a little bit.
And I'm just happy, like, you know what, we actually, we iced the game.
That's our first win.
But walking off to the sideline, I'm looking up at the scoreboard and see, we, we, the record,
I'm like, no way, dude, are you kidding me?
No, we just didn't break a record.
So, overwhelmed.
most of all delighted we're getting the dub our first dub but dang man that was that was unbelievable
and to me it didn't even feel like i ran for that many yards to be honest with you i think i was just
more focus on trying to get the w than anything yeah yeah good things happen when you you focus on
that amen i mean just got to give corey some flowers here for this incredible performance in the
third quarter 37 yard rush a 30 yard run
A 14-yard run.
Then we bring it to the fourth quarter, like we just kind of walked through there.
A 65 piece to make it 24-14.
You got the announcer saying this is the knockout blow.
Then, Corey's like, no, I'm not done.
I got another one left in me.
Once Denver scores, cuts it to 24-21, a 41-yarder to seal it and break the record.
Unbelievable.
Unreal.
And then you get, you get, you get drenched.
You get the gags, the water.
We got a top on you a couple of times.
Take that damn Scott Mitchell.
Yeah, man, I'm over there being, you know, I'm in my feelings a little bit.
I'm like, I'm overwhelmed.
I'm like, damn, I just broke a record.
And then I'm getting a Gatorade shower.
I'm like, man, who did that?
Like three?
Yeah.
And looking back on and seeing the film, I'm like, Scott Mitchell.
Fucking Scott had to get his money's worth after just going in there and going
0 for 5 and just handing it off.
The only thing he was throwing that thing was the water.
You know the craziest thing out of this whole equation.
And I think we only pass for like, what, 14 yards?
Exactly.
You're on the money.
Two completion.
And they're both in the first half from McKele.
First drive.
Who wins a game like that?
Corey Dillon.
And the Cincinnati Bengals.
In the Cincinnati Bengals's offensive line.
There you go.
But like that brings my next point.
I was going to ask you, Corey, like, what do you do when everyone in the stadium, the offense, the defense, anyone, they know, all right, here's where the Rock's going.
I faced that all my career there.
It was the norm.
It was normal for me.
Just another day at the office.
And the thing our offensive line coaches to preach,
Paul used to say, man, Corey, there's one guy left for you.
You got to make a miss.
You know what I mean?
We got everybody else.
That last, Paul Alexander, that last guy is yours.
Do you?
And, yeah, there's eight, nine men in the box constantly.
That was, that was, that's the norm for me.
So I'd never, I never looked at it as anything different.
So every game I knew what I was facing and got after it.
So you beat Sweetness's record, Walter Payton.
Did he call you?
I think I think Walt passed the year past the year before.
Yeah, that's, and that most, why I was that, that's what I was thinking about like, no way, man.
Yeah.
There's some things not meant to be touched.
And I'm thinking like, why am I crazy ass?
Why am I here in this position eclipsing now?
one of the best all-time performances you know what I mean so because you're one of the best all-time
performers my friend I guess so that's right man so what happens when you break a record like this
like are you just people reach out to you are any purse that comes with it man a lot of people
reached out man but man it was funny they they had people from like the hall of fame on deck like
my jersey and shoes were gone yeah like like that I'm like where where these people come from
You know, I'm like, you know, I wanted to keep the stuff
But they were there instantly
Grab the jersey
Grab the shoes and we're off
So yeah, this is
This is probably one of my best
Best performance
Period
As a professional
I mean, it was a damn good one
You set a record
Yeah, yeah
Jesus
And you also had the rookie single game
That orler game was pretty dope too
But this game
I kind of like
He was in his own
I was in that zone
Who's the coolest person
That reached out afterwards
Let me see
Man
That was so long ago man
I can't
I can't really pinpointing man
But I got a lot of
I got a lot of
People reaching out
And giving me props man
And
What was homeboy on sports center
Tom Scott
Tom Jackson?
Tom Jackson
Yeah
That man
That man came down
and interview me and we went on over this whole thing of running backs and I gave him a
whole spill about Tony Dorsan and Eric Dickerson and Walt and Jim and he kind of and
Tom was a pretty damn good player himself and he just looked at me and was like yeah yeah you know
what you're talking about you know what I mean so I thought that was I thought that was pretty
cool and something I never forget man this is that game itself
Now, you guys, every blue moon, I go back and peep it.
I go back and check it out.
It's a work of art.
I go back and check it out.
And I go back and check it out.
She got to show your daughters.
Hey, dad was cool.
Dad just wasn't full of shit.
Your dad was actually a good player.
You know, I go back and look at the game and I was like, to this day.
And I'm like, ooh, still give me chills.
Like, damn, I was doing it.
He were, sir.
Jackie put a bow on this.
And it's great.
or something else. Corey, we talked about it. You set the NFL single game rushing record,
a record that it's held for 25 years, sweetness RIP. Cincinnati rushed for a team high,
407 yards. You got Warwick and Bennett chipping in there with some big ones. Cincinnati would
miss the playoffs finish in 4 and 12. Denver would make the playoffs with 11 and 5 record,
fall to Baltimore in the wildcard round 21 to 3. That single game record would stand until 2003
when another
aFC north foe
Jamal Lewis would break it
going 295 yards
that would then get broken
by Adrian Peterson
against LT
and the Chargers
and then
Did you talk with
Jamal Lewis after
after he broke it
or you're still playing
he's a division guy
yeah we chopped it up
I said good job man
I mean honestly like
the way I think about it
man
records are meant to be broken
somebody's gonna come along
and just look at that
I think that was not
not so far after Adrian Peterson came along and did his thing.
So, yeah, man, all records are meant to be broken.
Just going to take that special guy to come along and do it.
And that was in 2009 with 296 yards.
And we talked about it a little bit earlier,
but no four.
Corey would join our New England Patriots
and win a Super Bowl,
beaten Philadelphia 24 to 21, man.
That's pretty darn cool.
Yeah.
Now let's name the game.
These are some names that we came up with.
If you have a name that you call it by, we can go by that.
Okay.
We have the 278 game, the rushing record game, the record breaker, or the upset in the jungle.
I'm going to rock with the upset in the jungle.
I like that.
Team guy.
I like it.
I like it.
Score the game.
Is this the greatest game of all time?
Let's score it.
Decimals encouraged.
stakes
0 to 10
decimals
encouraged
the stakes of this game
oh man
the stakes man
we're going
on 7 if we don't go
up there
we don't get it done
and that's evident
on our mind
is like yeah
let's show up and play ball man
so zero to 10
you got to grade it
but I give it
I give it
zero to 10
nine nine
I mean it's a high state game for him
high stakes
gotta get a win come on high stakes
regular I mean I just gotta let you know
we've done Super Bowls people
trying to repeat on Super Bowls
people trying to three peat in Super Bowls
girls taking their shirts
off after winning
the World Cup's geopolitically
Miracracracris
I gotta go with the five core
I'm sorry oh man it's a regular
season game I went 4.3
I did 3.1 regular season game
now we got to grade the star power
the star power of this game
who was in the stadium
you know new stadium
coaches players
Hall of Famers
Star powers 0 to 10 decimals
encouraged
Ah man I'm gonna go
I'm gonna go 7
I'm gonna go like a 7 8
7.8 because
I mean
in
in the bodies of some of those coaches
are even potentially other
Hall of Fame coaches
Dick LaBow
I mean
Bow's good
The coaches
It's a big coach thing
There's a
Cory Dillon
I did 6.5
And you're doing a lot
of the heavy lifting
The gameplay of the game
Back and forth
A lot of rushing
Two passes
Completed on the offense
For the Cincinnati Bengals
Yeah
But the game play
The game zero to 10 decimals
Encourge
I'm going nine
I did my thing
He sure did
He did
Right 14 yards passing
Somebody's got
somebody had to do something right go with the eight flat there you go i rock with that that's i mean
it's in the seven one i did six point five two completions it's tough yeah that's tough i think the
most impressive i was there i know you know maybe maybe the craziest part of this is this this scott
mitchell contributed to the rushing record there of the uh team he had eight yards oh yeah
how did my man scott he was the most bubble guy of all time yeah on a bootleg he is down for a
407, Scott said, I got eight of those for you.
Thanks, Scott.
For contributing.
I appreciate it.
Now we got to grade the name of the game, the upset in the jungle.
Ah, man, I'm going to go.
I'm going to get out of 10 because, you know what?
We're going on six, man.
And that was a first win in the jungle.
And that team was not a slouch.
That was a pretty best defense.
Yeah, that was a pretty good team.
And it's also like the significance of this game long term.
And like a major record was broken.
right that part of it yeah it was midseason like a major record got broken you get your first
win you guys celebrate this for any differently midseason anything go out do anything man i went
home and went to sleep i was tired i feel that i was tired good day i was tired i'm gonna go at the
eight there we go with a seven point oh i did eight point one all right all right where is it what is
the total it is a seven point oh one that's going to put us down at our
new
77th game
it's just behind the
2006 NFC wildcar game
Cowboys versus Seahawks and just ahead
of Vikings versus Bucks week 9
1998
remember that game
okay who's that game with that was Lorenzo Neal wasn't it
that was that was Lorenzo Neal
the low man's wins game where they had another
richly you're in good company there yeah
man I can rock with that yeah it's a good spot
it's a great spot if you look at like our
like this is the top of these
These are all games we've covered.
Hmm, Falcons Patriots.
There's a lot of Patriots in the top 10.
Interesting.
No bias.
Zero bias.
I mean, look at the top three.
Oh, no, man.
That was one hell of a catch.
Man, I love this dude, man.
That was wow.
That was wild.
That was, I never seen nothing like that, man.
That was stupid route.
Greatest comeback I ever.
Man, dude.
Bad boy here, man.
Julian, yeah.
no we you know what it's cori we miss anything with this game no i think we summed it up man we covered
everything that was so but you know this is our real first time getting to really meet right it's been
such an honor because you were when i was a kid you were like the running back of the running backs
in the league and then i got to play under the organization that you know you want a super bowl in
And you were always a focal point in teaching lessons of what I heard for my 12 years of being in New England.
Bill would always bring you up, like, you know, in some form or fashion, he'd be like, look, you're no Cory Dillon.
Like to some slap dick running back or so, you're a guy, like, you know what I mean?
So it's been funny to, it's been awesome to get to meet you for the first time.
And I'm such a big fan.
Thank you for coming on.
Are you doing anything right now?
Oh, man, I'm, I'm chilling.
I got some lightweight scouting stuff I do.
But other than that, man, I spend my time just golfing and minding my business.
You know what I mean?
Both those things.
You know what I mean?
And I like to say, it's a pleasure meeting you too, man.
I really feel like we come from that same tree.
And even though we didn't play together, still my brother, man.
You know what I mean?
So we learned under that same teacher, man.
And then very, very special moment for me and an honor meeting you too.
Get out of here, man.
Yeah, no, real talk, man.
I watch you from afar, man.
Hell of a player.
I appreciate it.
It means a lot coming from you, Corey.
Yeah.
We'll be right back after this quick break.
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This season on Revisionous History,
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Man, legend, legend, Corey Fogg.
I wanted to talk to him, but he seems like a great teammate, all that shit.
in Cincinnati. Media horse shit.
Media horse balls. He just wanted the fucking win. He was a stud. He's an
all-pro guy. Now we don't know when he was. Put Corey in.
Corey fucking Dillon back in the day. He could have been a little different, but
he seems like a great-hearted dude. He's so cool. He's a man.
What a guy. I never met him. Really.
No, it was very cool to see a bridging of the eras there between you guys.
That was really nice.
For life, we said. Amen.
All I could think of me and I love you. I said, I love you too.
Oh, fuck. I wouldn't get on that.
I love you too.
When you're next back, you got to play golf with them.
I know.
Maybe a foursome?
Let's get out there, El Cap.
Definitely.
Some light.
The one thing I wanted that, I didn't.
My favorite thing growing up was the four-minute offense in Madden, just running the ball with Corey Dillon.
Cory Dillon.
Burning the clock.
Hearding Clock.
Eating clock.
It's just edged, etched in my head.
The best.
Corey Dillon.
I've heard that a few times.
Oh, my gosh.
He had some stories to say afterwards.
He did.
But I respect him.
He's a good, he's a, that's a good
teammate. Amen. He's not just going to jump
on. The way it's still the red light is off.
Says what he's got to say.
Red light's, we're still rolling. But we're not going to
do that. Oh. It's not a chill,
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what are we doing jack we got something new for you today
this is going to get me hyped up oh it's going to get me hyped up you ready jules
guy guy you ready today we are talking sports bucket lists
we're going to go around be a little three four not stringent not too rigid
events games places on a sports bucket list that we got to attend
it is before we kick the bucket we just got to do it
It's number one on our list of things we got to hit in the sporting world.
Events, big games.
So, I'm going to start off this whole segment, wildly offended.
Where's Stanley Cup on this list so far?
This is a grab bag of things to pick from.
Yeah, but there's no Stanley Cup in here.
Winter Olympics.
You just jot your memory.
Winter Olympics is not the Frozen 4.
This is just jot.
They got the naty, fatty.
You don't even need it, though.
You already had it top of mind.
I know, but you had NBA finals.
All right, all right.
I'm already starting off offended.
Man, man.
I thought this was going to be fun.
Okay, I'm sorry.
We can make it fun.
There is.
Okay, now I'm not.
These are events in the sporting world.
You got to see before you kick the bucket.
Two, three, four, however many you got.
Let's go around, turn by turn, break them down, have a little discussion.
Let's get into it.
Jules.
Jack, why don't you start?
Jack, why don't you start?
I'm going to Wimbledon.
I want to go to freaking Wimbledon in July.
I want to wear the white.
I want to sit in the player's box over there.
I want to go back and forth.
I want to look fly.
I want to see David Beckham.
I want some strawberries and cream
I want to go to Wimbledon
Can I say one thing about Limbledon that could be better?
It always makes me sad at the end of the tournament
Like in the final
Is it snake draft? I don't get to pick Wimbledon
Yeah you can pick Wimbledon
I'm just doing for record keeping purposes
The grass always gets beaten up towards the end
I wish there was a way where the grass
Could still look pristine all the way through
Nah wearing terror the longer the shittier it looks
The longer you're going
It looks like it looks like goalie's like playing the Super Bowl
At the Coliseum with a baseball diamond
In the middle
It's got a touch of that
to me only only you want to hear some real blasts yeah field turf field turf just dude how many
the rubber pellets is everywhere oh my god that'd be the worst sick I would be sick now you've
been to a few of these I think it's like a lot of them yeah I've been to world series NBA's
finals US Open for tennis played at augusta uh been to Super Bowl
been to a bowl game
been to a final four game
been to the
I've been to the Daytona 500
the Kentucky Derby
Stanley Cup
never been
yeah so
I would say for me
my number one is
Wimbledon's in mine I never been to Wimbledon
so Wimbledon's one of mine
but my number one is probably
probably a Rose Bowl.
Oh, yeah.
A Rose Bowl National Championship.
I want to the Rose Bowl for the first time for the flea market.
It was spectacular.
Wait, no, hold on.
We got to go.
I want to go so bad.
Now, the Rose Bowl National Championship doesn't exist anymore.
Well, doesn't, don't they get to do that somehow?
They do the National Championship game from the Rose Bowl venue, but is no longer the game.
I want the National Championship at the Rose Bowl.
National Championship of the Rose Bowl.
Okay.
They're going to playoff game there.
They have playoff games there.
But traditionally, as of the new format,
The championship is always at, like, a big dome somewhere.
So, like, a national championship at the Rose Bowl would be U.S.
That's my bucket list.
Yeah.
National championship at the Rose Bowl.
Like, which teams?
Doesn't matter.
You don't care.
Me too.
Oh, my God.
I'm going to say.
You know, when it goes from, like, four o'clock, and it's late, and then it turns into
a night game late, it's like twilight.
Oh, my God.
So cool.
I just want to go, I just want to go see the Rose Bowl.
Yeah.
Like, I just want to see it.
I don't care if there's a gamer.
I just want to go it.
I need baby steps here.
I do want to see a game there, though, of course.
Let's go to one this year.
I want to run with the Bulls, too.
Put that in mind.
Yep.
I like it.
Cool.
That would be tight.
I've never done that.
You're not on a balcony.
You're talking down there, all white, little red handkerchief.
I don't know.
You run?
It's not about, for me, it's about the people around.
For sure.
You know, you got to make sure you got to get out of the way of those.
Little red wine, little meats, some chakoterie.
Definitely running.
with the Bulls.
I would like to go to a game seven Stanley Cup final with the Penguins at home.
That would be.
Game set.
Okay.
I like that.
Specificity.
I'm going to go.
I like this.
See,
because like last year I did game five NBA finals.
You saw a clinching game.
So I did see one.
Actually,
you know what?
I take the back.
I would like to see a penguins clinching Stanley Cup final.
Okay.
Game seven penguins clincher.
Yeah.
Stanley Cup.
I like that.
I like that.
A vendor of Patriot Super Bowl,
which was cool.
See,
it's boring.
and it ain't sexy
because you guys have already done it
time and time again
but like as a ball
I've never been to a Super Bowl
I gotta go
I gotta put it on there
when's all you need
I know as a fan
it's just too much of the hubbub
and the
it's a week long
New Year's Eve party
I've been to like
FOMO personified
the whole thing
I've been to the weeks of it
which I guess is
gradually I'm getting there
my last one's either
Wimbledon or Masters
with Tiger plane
You can do more
you can do more than three
I just put three up here
to get us going.
Masters is up there for me, too.
I want, I, I, I'm not trying to flex for anything, but I did play, I guess, once.
Yeah.
Fucking tight.
But I didn't get to, like, have, like, I guess, like, the dog, like, the hot dogs and
stuff for all, like, a buck 50.
Pemto sandwich.
Yeah.
Oh, I never got any of that stuff.
It was, you know what I mean?
So I didn't get to experience it.
Mm.
I would eat, with Tiger playing.
Sunday with Tiger and Red.
No, it has to be Tiger competing.
on Sunday in the hunt
yeah red shirt where we're
going imagine that's a good one
imagine that tiger in the hunt Sunday
on Sunday yeah I've
I'm gonna add one I've been
Wimbledon will be cool too though
but there's also like I was thinking Kentucky Derby
sorry I'm cutting you on no that this is
you did Kentucky Derby that's fine I've done the Kentucky Derby
but I've never like I was invited
to the England's Kentucky Derby
what is that there's something like that
I should know this.
But it's supposed to be like, yeah, super swanky.
You know what I mean?
Like you think Kentucky Derby swanky there.
It's like Royal Swanky.
Compared to Louisville to Oxford.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
The real ascot.
Yeah.
You have to wear an askot.
Ryan Clark loves it, bro.
He loves it over there.
He's an ascot guy, isn't he?
No, no, no, no.
Charles Woodson.
Sorry.
Charles Woodson.
He's like, I haven't seen.
Hey, I tell you, you want to know how I know me and Charles are bonding on our show.
Charles didn't wear a tie he didn't wear a tie for the first time yeah is he that's trickling into
the main show yeah taking notes baby he's hung up the ascot hadn't he me and charles i've seen him
in an ass cut but as he weren't it lately just me and charles connecting i don't know okay his son just
had a fucking he took a kickoff he sent me this video of his son taking a house house call on a
kickoff it looked just like charles out there is he in high school in college high school in
orlando he got the same body language and shit have him
send us that footage for the next T-Mobile segment
for dudes. Yeah, we'll break him down. We'll have you and Rob
react to it. Wait, what? The high school footage.
Oh, we should definitely. We'll talk after. I'll,
I'll DM him. I'll do all day is DM.
Oh, I thought you said for the day on a watch list somewhere.
I thought you said, did you just say for the next
T-bo event? No, T-Mobile
when you review high school footage. I thought T-vo and I was instantly
thinking like, you want to circumcise this kid?
What are we doing, bro?
Oh, my God. You can't talk about black dudes' dick.
Oh, my God. Let me see that. Let me see that's
steady hand how steady is it doing bro oh my god i would like that's where i would like to see
america versus the u uh canada for the gold medal game would be fun in hockey winter
olympics winter olympics winter olympics yeah winter olympics yeah the frozen four is cute
or i mean the uh the frozen four no no the uh final four what's the winter game now
oh the tournament four nations that's nothing that yeah but that ain't the olympics yeah
yeah that ain't the olympics no gold middle
game, U.S. versus America?
Do we have an opportunity this year?
I don't know.
Well, the Winter Olympics aren't for...
Where's it at?
I don't even know.
Where's the next Winter Olympics?
I like the Winter Olympics, too.
Milan?
Milan, 2006.
Is this snow in Milan, Italy?
Yeah, in the mountains.
Oh, so it's coming up.
Yeah.
So then they'll probably have all their mountains.
Like the Swiss Alps.
That'd be nice.
That'd be cool.
That'd be fucking funny.
I got to go one more.
Ooh, this is tough, brother.
masters is up there in general i gotta say maybe world cup maybe world cup i may or may not have
been sharing a lovely meal with a with a babe the other week bottle of red all that stuff
i might have been cash and checks my ass can't write it's like i get world cup tickets easy we're
talking world cup like i get those easy might be cash and checks my ass can't right like pro bono
game time yeah it's here in soon right yeah we're talking i was like i can get those
Charlotte. Any near Charlotte?
No. What is it here? Jet? No.
28. Atlanta, maybe. So that's three more
years. Yeah. Yeah. Right. It's the same year as the Olympics.
Are they going to have the subway thing done here?
Probably for it.
Yeah, I think they're trying to do that for the Olympics. That's what I mean.
Yeah. No, World Cup's coming up. That's how I always think. World Cup earlier.
I see him again over the one in the mid-city's looking like it's finished in July.
Oh, no, it's 26. It's 2026. No shot. It's this summer.
No shot. Don't hold your.
breath. Yeah, I'm over here.
Oh, my God. Don't hold your breath. So you're saying World Cup
World Cup final. Preference.
They caught that. Yeah. Perfectly the final.
Preference on the team. Is that not freak you guys out that they're putting a subway
under L.A., which isn't a fucking. I met a guy.
It'll never have. I met a guy. It was on the like,
I'm so terrible. Like, I was sitting here like, I drove because we drive that route when
I take little soccer. And every time I think about like, hmm, don't know if I want to go
on that thing. Do you often spend time in public transportation?
subway. I use a subway in New York all the time.
You have to, yeah.
But think about it. If you have that subway thing, I think it goes all the way to mid-town so you can get to like the flea market a lot quicker.
And it's going all the way into the beach too. Yeah. Yeah, it's going to take a while.
I mean, you're not going to not try it. Was it the purple line, right? The only time I've ever seen.
You get to see the first three years, it'll be clean and good. There's some kind of train in L.A., right?
Yeah, there's a commuter. There's a lot of it. The only time I ever seen it was in collateral.
Yeah, Tom Cruise, remember that?
I don't, but I kind of see that.
Shout out the scene.
You know the scene.
I don't know the scene.
John Fox.
Michael, man.
Oh, what a movie.
Jack,
do you have a preference on teams?
Oh, man.
I would like to see, ah, U.S., but I know it ain't going to happen.
Yeah.
U.S.
in the World Cup final to take the win.
In America, in America, it would be pretty sweet.
Never happened.
I would be just brimming with national.
What's your last one?
Masters or World Cup, one of the two.
No, I'll lay World Cup, I guess.
So I guess I'll go World Cup.
World Cup because you're taking your baby.
Yeah, yeah.
I'm cashing that check, making it happen.
Speaking it into existence.
I'm split between two.
Jimmy manifests his shit.
Why not?
Manifestation all 2025, fall 2025.
We are manifesting.
Manifestation.
There it is.
Mark my words.
I'll see you guys there.
And my last one, I'm split between two.
Okay.
I'm still between a national championship with Virginia Tech,
which is as unlikely as America being in the World Cup.
And also, yeah, and also tour de France.
Now, I have done a tour de France before.
But like how fun is the tour to France going to be?
It's incredible, bro.
You have no idea.
You have no idea.
It's amazing.
And we're going to get baguette.
Yeah.
It's great.
You can watch a bike go by for 10 seconds.
You don't know a ball with cycling because you go on a mountain stage, right?
So it's uphill.
You hike up there all day early.
You ain't hiking, though.
I'm saying to watch this event.
You aren't hiking anything.
You're sitting there like this.
No, no, you got, you're going to see a dude drive by.
Then you're going to see a little dude on a vespal with the camera going by.
You don't know ball.
They show something's a hey.
No, they shut down the road.
You can get up there.
Sometimes you can get up there with chairlifts or you can go up ahead of time.
It's like a full on European tailgate.
I don't know.
There's like different corners.
You don't know if you know this.
I won the best buddies fucking.
You were the only one.
I was there.
You were the only one trying.
The 30 mile.
Let's go, baby.
I've won the 30 miles.
The 30 miles was strong.
The 30 mile was for like the kids.
Or was it 60? It was a 60 mile.
You dipped out on the money. Easy money.
It's like you ran the like 50 year old segment in one.
Young Floyd Landis. Let's go.
I'm just saying.
That would have been sick.
For someone who don't know cycling, who don't know, don't know, what do they call them?
Spokes.
He's a spokehead?
I'm a spokehead, dog.
Going to see the Twitter friends.
My little guy on and stuff.
You got to wear the little thing to.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
A little crap.
Yeah.
Well, that's terrible.
You got to wear a thing on your crotch for your, the bib.
Your bib, so because you sit down on that thing for like three hours.
It's hard.
Yeah.
But like those guys don't need padding.
Get that rash down there.
You sit on a certain way.
Yeah, you have to sit on a certain way.
Yeah.
And it doesn't.
But seeing the tour to France on like a big iconic mountain stage.
It'd be fun.
It'd be fun.
It'd be fun.
It'd be fine.
Get a good croissant.
Yeah.
I saw it in Paris.
It's hard in Paris.
It's tough because it's so many people.
But.
Yeah, Tour de France.
Teddy Pergacha winning Alpdouez.
That's what I'm going to go see.
Torre France next year.
Natty at Rose Bowl,
running with the Bulls and Tiger playing at the Masters.
Yeah,
that's pretty darn good.
Game 7 Penguins winning the Stanley Cup.
I like Jacks too.
This is me just like cashing things I want.
Willing Super Bowl World Cup.
I like Jacks.
I like Joe's.
Can we trade?
I like yours better.
No.
All right.
All right.
We'll just go together.
We'll be good.
We can do all these things.
Yeah, we should go together.
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Thanks again to Corey Dillon.
What an awesome dude.
Fucking, he's like just got unk vibes.
On unk for sure, dude.
He got unk vibes for sure.
And we bay rap in?
He would have been, he knows.
I could tell.
I know for a fact where he probably sat
in running back corner,
bumping the music would be.
be bold and he could have been on it. I wish you.
I would have got to play with Corey Dylan.
It's a beautiful day.
Work done.
Work done.
Work done.
Yeah.
Well, thanks again to Corey.
Awesome dude.
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