Games with Names - The 4 Nations Final with Paul Bissonnette | Canada vs. USA

Episode Date: March 4, 2025

Paul Bissonnette is in studio! The former NHL winger and co-host of Spittin' Chiclets is with us to relive an instant classic: The 4 Nations Final between Canada and the United States. Biz joins us on the couch (2:21). We go back to February 2025 (1:00:34). We dive into these rosters (1:05:23). We breakdown the game (1:18:07). We score it (1:23:44). In this week's edition of The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light, Jules recaps his star studded day at Skate for LA Strong (1:32:50).  Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Games with names is a production of iHeartRadio. February 21st, 2025 TD Godden, Boston, Massachusetts. The tournament is new, but the rivalry is as old as it gets. The best of America versus the best of Canada. This is the Four Nations final. Today, we have a very special guest and we are looking at probably one of the most crazy. It's the craziest popular all-star event I've ever witnessed.

We're going to talk about the four nations faceoff championship game between Canada and the US with the one and only Paul Bissonnette in one sentence. Why did you pick this game? Well, I kind of want to pick both, not only the championship game, but the round Robin game that had three fights in the first nine seconds. We can kind of go all over the board, but what an amazing time for hockey right now. It's just on an absolute heater. Not only the Four Nations, but now all of a sudden you go back to regular season and Ovechkin gets a hat trick in his second game back after the break where he's 13 goals away

from breaking Wayne Gretzky's goal record. Who would have ever fucking thought? So I'm not a hockey guy and I never even thought that would happen. Yeah, there you go. That's why I just feel like there's so many casual sports fans right now that have become addicted to hockey just based on the, you know,

the energy that guys are putting into it, you know, how they're so relatable. And of course, just the action, it's 82 games, but guys show up much like football guys. It's like they put on the gear and they're ready to go. And regardless of it being a quote unquote, all star format at the four nations, these guys were scrapping for each other's countries. Was this the greatest game of all time? these guys were scrapping for each other's countries. Was this the greatest game of all time? So I would say that this championship game will go down at least as one of my favorites. As far as a rating standpoint,

it was the most viewed non-Olympic game in hockey's history. So for what it did for the game and the way that it just kind of reached out for our sport, I would probably put it as my number one at this point. That might be recency bias. A lot of people might be shaking their head, but I can't off the top of my head

think of a more anticipated game in my lifetime. As a casual puck head, I couldn't agree with you more. Cultural impact of this specific game, I mean, we're not even gonna to get to see how big it's going to create because we're so fucking fresh off of it. But like that put the All-Star Weekend basketball, it like slapped that down like it was like the stepson, the redheaded stepson.

And it also it made me as a football player be disappointed in our All-Star game and our pro bullshit, whatever our activities. And it has to do with how the players came out and fucking showed up, man. It's one thing I've always admired about the hockey boys. Like they're just, they're fucking a bunch of group of dudes that like to work hard, drink beer, fuck with each other, bust balls, hate each other in between the ice, but then be able to enjoy a pine after man.

It's fucked. This was fucking awesome. Hockey culture is a very special place. And like even the reason I'm in town is because I play with the L.A. Kings organization. They had a 10 year anniversary for our Calder Cup win in the minors, but it just so happens that they threw this charity event in the last four weeks. They put it together and it was for all the victims of the fires, people who have been displaced from their homes, obviously the first responders in LA FD. So they were able to do this. So just the hockey community coming together along with celebrities, it's just a an awesome culture and

It's continuing to thrive and it just so happens it was on NBA All-Star weekend So I just feel like all the worlds collided where everybody wanted to shit on the NBA and maybe some of their stars attitude towards showing up for the full 82 game season and and then the way that hockey really treated this Four Nations face-off. So it was an incredible, incredible event. And were you dialed in the whole time? Like did you watch the full 60 minutes of the final? I watched, I watched the first two goals and I was sidetracked.

And then I got back into overtime and I saw fucking McJesus. I mean, he wouldn't even do anything all game and I don't know it that well I'm what were you sidetracked with I was I Don't know. I think I was like eating a burrito or I feel like you have a Means I think you're sending memes during the third period I was maybe sending memes about the game Yeah, my friend talking shit like you guys had in the bag. To all my fucking Canadian friends, we got this.

Yeah, it didn't work out. No, no, it didn't. It didn't work out. McJesus came through. He needed a moment like that because maybe there's a little criticism on whether he can win the big one, but I think that will catapult him and they have a very strong team in Edmonton,

so they might be hoisting the Stanley Cup this year. I'd like to see that for him. Yeah, we'll get into the teams, but how, how cool was that? Uh, LA skate yesterday, you know, like just, you know, I, I got to see, you know, uncle Snoop, my little, I brought my daughter and she was just in, in, in, in, in awe of Snoop, uh, Will Ferrell, she thinks is elf. Uh, and she was just in an in an in an awe of Snoop. Will Ferrell, she thinks is elf. And she did a little high.

We were sitting on the glass and Biebs gave her a little high five. She almost yeah, she had a and we got a puck from who was Eric Armstrong. Armstrong Armstrong gave us a puck. You know what? I had so much fun watching the old boys, like just hockey guys like Messi. Messi looked great out there. Yeah. Like they didn't lose any of it. Like they may have lost explosion, but they could still go out and fucking play. Like that was so cool to watch.

Mess is working out every morning. He's a fucking machine. I think he could still play in the league, especially for how soft some of these guys are nowadays. He would still run show, and he's just such a great ambassador for our game. And even after the career he had, kind of like you, he transitioned into media, and he's crushing on ESPN. PK Subban was there. He looked a little rusty, though. What's that?

He looked a little rusty last night. Who, Mestad? No, PK. Oh, PK, yeah. Well, he's too busy doing all the media. He probably doesn't hop on the skates much anymore. So. Do you lose it? Do you lose it if you't hop on the skates much anymore. So you lose it.

You lose it if you're not on the skates. Oh yeah. Hockey's the one thing where you could run and work out twice a day, but if you're not on your edges and on your blades, it's just little, little muscle groups that you just have a real hard time finding if you're not on the ice. And for me, I, I tore both my ACLs in my last season, so I haven't really skated much, both buddy, both. I tore my, um, No my last season, so I haven't really skated much. Both, buddy, both. I tore my... No, on one play?

No, I tore my right one about half. What'd you say? Holy shit. Yeah, that's it. That's a real bender right there, man. That's like official bender status. So I was trying to keep up to these young guys, right? The game is constantly evolving.

The players are getting faster and faster. So I tore my right one and I knew it was gonna be my last year, so I prehabbed it to try to come back and finish the season. So finally did so, came back, tweaked it again the first game back, took another like month to prehab it, came back and my first game back, we're in San Jose playing the Barracuda

and that's the San Jose Sharks Farm team. They have like 100 people in the crowd. I go to battle for a puck and then boom on the other side and I felt it go and I never forget, I went over to the trainer who'd been helping me prehab the other one I go, Murzy, I think I just tore my other ACL. He goes, what the fuck are you talking about? There's no way.

So I sat on the bench the rest of that period, went in between, he looked at it and he's like, it's gone. And MCL ACL. So I'm walking around with two torn ACLs. I ended up getting surgery on my left after the season and that was it. Never even bothered repairing my right. So it was a tough way to go.

I actually, once I tore it, I'm like, fuck it, I gotta make myself useful. So I fought this Zach Stortini guy Well, I was like I was like Bambi out there. I could barely stand up But I figured I'd make myself useful and I'll never forget my head coach who I'd won a championship that I mentioned earlier with A Calder Cup played for him in jr. And he came into the trainers room. He's like, what's what's going on? I go Stuttsie. I tore the other one and we had we shedded a tear It was sad because I knew Mike my one. And we shedded a tear.

It was sad, because I knew my career was over. But it was a pretty, it's just funny that that's the way that my career ended. It was very fitting. Just a plug, you know, press box junkie when I played in the NHL and just kind of going out in style, I guess. You went till the wheels fell off, literally.

Literally. Literally. And you got to fight on the way out. And that's another thing that impresses me is the balance that you guys have off literally literally literally yeah and you got a fight on the way out and that's another thing that impresses me is the balance that you guys have when you're fighting because fighting on ground is it's tough yeah when you're fighting on fucking skates like it's that's crazy which celebrity did you think had the best game last night um I actually think Bieber's pretty silky.

Yeah, you know, he's he's got a little bit of the ankle bender going, but he's got silky mitts. So I would probably put him at the top of the list. He just needs to work on his toughness. Although I think that Jeremy Rona kind of let him win that fight to get his confidence going. But just cool the fact that he was there. Rona, he would have hit if he would have hit Bieber.

I mean, that could have been bad for every little girl in his family. They would have fucking hated him. They would have definitely disowned him for sure. Yeah, wife and all. But I mean, just going back to the Four Nations and like even the scrapping, like I don't know if you know the Kachuk brothers.

No, I don't know them personally. Boston guys. Boston guys, I know them though What their dad was a Boston guy and they were everywhere because of the dad Yeah, did you hear about the round robin game and how they fought in the first three? Yeah, and how they basically pre-plan that now how they do that explain that so we were in Montreal the mecca hockey of the world And like rumblings were coming out that they had said that they were going to turn the bell center upside down. The Kachucks had already said that.

So obviously we're going in with the anticipation that there's going to be like a lot of hits. It's going to be a very intense game by no means. Did we expect them to drop the gloves off the opening face off? So then the melee ensues right off the opening drop, Matthew Kachuck ends up fighting Brandon Hagel. Then three seconds later, his brother, Brady Kachuk, ends up fighting Matthew's teammate, Sam Bennett, who he's very close with. So holy shit, we got two scraps.

This is pretty much the best start to a hockey game of all time. And then boom, another one, JT Miller goes after Perenko. So after the game and the post-game press conference, they said that they had a text chain going that said, hey, let's fucking get this thing going tonight. So they had essentially pre-planned at the three of them and they got the fireworks started.

And it was a great rest of the game. Like Charlie McAvoy, another Boston boy, he was laying out McDavid. And that really is what propelled the conversation to what ended up being the finals. So you could either go to the championship game that got over 16 million viewers, but I, for me, I look back at that WWE style start

to the round robin game to what propelled the hockey and where it's at in the last two weeks now. Without a doubt. I mean, that three fight game that put in everyone's radar, what the fuck is this, Four Nations thing? And the fact that, you know, football's over, right? Football's a juggernaut, there's no taking viewership away from that.

But after the Super Bowl, and not really much going on with the NBA, I mean, other than the shitty All-Star game they got going, everybody's just craving some type of sport. So the timing of it all was just perfect for the NHL. And by the start of the game to the end of the game, it was the conversation on Twitter. It's all anybody was talking about, even if they knew nothing about hockey,

they were just so invested in the hatred between USA and Canada, which at this point, you could obviously put the Russians, the Swedes, and the Finns at the top of the list, but the two leading hockey nations in the world right now are in North America, and it's exciting times. It is exciting times. It's really fun as an American to see that we're even

put into that sentence because you know how Canada fucking loves their hockey. Love it. I mean, that's their sport. I don't, there's probably a lot of Americans watching this right now. I don't think people understand how important that was from a moral perspective.

I think right now from an economy perspective, Canada's in a bit of a dip. Leadership will be changing. I don't get into politics too much. I took the 51st state comments and then the tariff things as more like chirps from Trump and we're a very sensitive nation. So I think that that just really propelled

the political climate of the game and then the booing of the anthem. So it was the perfect amount of political spice for the game, not too much. And I don't like politics and sports like to be overbearing. Without a doubt. And we'll get more into the game, but take us through your journey, your hockey journey. You played 12 years, you battled back and forth

from the AAAs to the bigs. I'm sorry if I fuck up the terminology. Coach, the Coast, AHL, NHL. Yeah. And so take us through your journey. Yeah, so I was a pretty decent junior player. I was a defenseman I actually was able to represent my country playing under 17 for team Ontario and then under 18 was team, Canada I played a both of them world championship was able to win gold both times was drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins and

gotten a little bit of trouble early on in my career like Pittsburgh Penguins and gotten a little bit of trouble early on in my career. Like you go from living with a billet family and junior to all of a sudden you sign a contract, you have money, you're living on your own and you know, probably was drinking and partying a little bit too much. So I started off my career in professional in the ECHL, basically the lowest league and slowly worked my way up. And after getting in a little bit more trouble, Basie was in the coast and thought my career was over.

And then from, at that point I was a defenseman and they called me up to the AHL and they said, we're gonna make you a fourth line fighter. And I had a decision to make at that point in time, whether I wanted to do that or stay stubborn and stay as a defenseman. And I said, you know, fuck it, if this is my only path to maybe get into the NHL,

I'll do it. So I started scrapping. I got beat up a lot. I had back to back seasons where I fought 30 times and guys at that time in the eight were taking steroids. I was getting the shit kicked out of myself. And eventually just from playing that position and sticking at it,

I ended up finally making the bigs with Pittsburgh. And I got to play- What a team to bigs with Pittsburgh. And I got to play- What a team to make it though. Unreal. I got to play with Sidney Crosby, Evgeny Malkin, Marc-Andre Fleury. You know, just those memories alone were unbelievable, even though I was only there for about 26 games.

Played 15. And then the following season, I was old enough where I got sent down, but I could get picked up by waivers. So I got to go over to Phoenix, who put in a claim for me and played five years there, lived out my dream, ended up starting Twitter when I was there. And that's where the whole social media career started.

And then ended up finishing off my career in the American Hockey League. So I was one of those guys where I was a borderline NHLer, and I was just grateful to be there and was able to play with so many amazing teammates and made so many friends in Arizona one of which is another Boston guy Keith Yandel who's now on our spit and shickles podcast, but Yeah, it was a whirlwind Grateful to be there and just grateful to transition it into media and stick around the game and also have a purpose after my playing career. Yeah, I mean, you clearly did that.

I mean, you still played 12 years at a professional sport. Yeah. And then you did something amazing where you didn't just become a Canadian kid that went back to the house and did nothing with his life. You did something else and now you're known for something else other than being an athlete. Which is really cool.

Yeah, I'm always interested in more and what life has to offer. So as much as I love my hometown of Welland, Ontario, I always knew there was more out there and more I wanted to do. The same reason why at 16 years old when I was drafted to junior, like I moved away from home

and I lived with a Billet family. I never even called home for the first three weeks while we had training camp and stuff. Like I dove right in. I didn't get homesick because I knew that, if you wanted to achieve anything in life, you were gonna have to go outside your comfort zone and do it.

And I was also, like things happen for a reason too. Like I was in Pittsburgh, which is a very respected organization. And not to say Arizona wasn't, but Arizona was a team where they didn't mind getting any type of publicity. So I was able to start out a Twitter account and be an absolute donkey online.

With the shit that I was doing and saying and tweeting, I was going on local radio stations and they hooked me up with this girl, Baby Joan. So I guess I'm actually Eskimo brothers with Gronk. Hate to throw them under the bus, but she actually posted a photo of them. And then she asked me for a photo to post and I was like, I don't think I want that smoke, right?

And then she went on the local radio the next morning and put me on blast. Oh yeah, just all the- What year is this? Oh, this is probably like 2011. Oh my God. So the shit- Early, it's early Twitter.

So the shit that I was able to get away with and grow my own personal social channels based on playing in Arizona and the fact that they wanted publicity, it just worked out perfectly. And that's kind of what got me my start into the media, where I started getting more opportunities and offers to do these one-off videos.

And then by the time I retired, I got my buddy here, Pasha, I dove right into it. I did this film project called Biz Does BC. So yeah, is it awkward? And it was very silly at the time, but it taught me a lot about what I needed to know in the backside after retiring. So just a whirlwind of a career in a transition,

but I wouldn't change it for the world. Fucking, it's been fun to watch. I didn't have the playing career that you had. I was in the press box more. I had more healthy scratches in my career than games played. Yeah, but you still made do with what you had. That's it. And that's what you continue to preach when you talk. I mean, it's also a lesson for like a lot of kids out there. Like everybody drafted when they're playing junior were probably

the stars of their team, right? But you know, at a certain point, you're not going to be the star and you have to make a sacrifice. Are you okay being the fourth line peasant who's getting healthy scratched? If you're not willing to put your ego aside, there's other guys who will, and there's positions for those guys. So I'm glad at the time I was able to make that decision. It just kind of happened naturally. Like I, you know, who knows maybe going back, if it would have happened again, and it was the wrong day, maybe I would have been stubborn about it, but just

grateful that that's the path I chose and I was accepting of that and it led to all this. That's what people don't realize is the different ego slots in the locker room for a professional athlete. Being a role player, you have to swallow your pride, do everything, have mental toughness, do what's best for the team when it may not be best for you

and be that role guy and love doing that. The fullback, going out and blowing out his head every day in practice, knowing that he'll never touch the ball, but that's a big thing. Talk us through that transition mentally when you go from defenseman to fourth line fighter? And how does that transition go? Did you go to boxing camp or how the fuck?

So even when I was playing junior, I liked handling my own business. But that would be about five, six times a year. And normally against other guys who were playing more. So they weren't just specifically heavyweight scrappers. So it was hard just because I was getting used to fighting these guys who, like some guys were on steroids and they were just a lot more experienced, have been doing it since they were kids.

So yeah, I took boxing lessons in the summertime and prepared as much as possible, but it was hard. And at that time, like there was no social media. So you were getting, there was really no way to escape it. You'd get beat up, you'd get on the bus, you'd travel four hours that night to the next city, and you'd kind of just be sitting there in your seat, like half concussed, wondering like,

oh my God, I gotta do this again tomorrow night. So it was definitely a transition and a hard process to start to understand, but it just taught me a lot about adversity and how to deal with that type of stuff and really prepared me for what was to come for after my career. So great life lessons to learn,

like getting the shit kicked out of yourself. Yeah, you gotta walk us beat for beat on how a fight goes down in hockey. As casual, as casual, like, is it a fucking look? Is it, are you guys talking to each other on the ice? Is it like, is it just drop them and fucking go? What is this, walk us through this. So the reason I love to do it the most

was to protect my teammates, especially when they were being taken advantage of. And that was the one thing that made it a lot easier when I was going through all that and fighting 30 times a year for the first time is how appreciative your teammates are. And so you know let's say one of our skill players gets ran by one of these types of players. It's what? Ran like let's say he goes back for a puck and that guy takes a run and like lays out a big hit on him. Like there's nothing more than I want to get on the ice and go challenge that guy takes a run and lays out a big hit on him, there's nothing more than I wanna get on the ice and go challenge that guy to get retribution for that hit

he just threw through, or if he's slashing him and trying to take advantage of him. So that to me is where I would go on the ice, tap him on the shin pads and say, hey, let's go motherfucker. Or maybe we were down three one at home and the energy in the building is flat and our guys aren't really going.

I'm trying to provide a spark to our team. Let's get this fucking crowd into it and let's get going. That would be another time where I would line up at a faceoff and ask a guy to go. Most of the time it was just tapping a guy in the shin pads and saying, hey, let's throw down. Do they ever say no? Yeah. Typically, if your team's ahead, you don't want to lose momentum.

So you don't want to get the power play. You don't want to get penalty. Yeah, because especially if I'm chasing around the ice and I'm tapping them on the shin pads, then I would have gotten an instigator penalty. So you have to be a little bit more subtle about it, where like you're like off a face off is when you just verbally say, hey, you want one.

And half the time, a guy whose team has a lead will be like, no, coach said no, coach said no. And my coach would say the same thing to me. He'd go, Biz, we got all the momentum, leave it alone. And it sucked because sometimes the guy would be tapping you on the shin pad and kind of calling you out in front of your crowd. And some people, they don't give a fuck about the momentum. They paid for their ticket and they

want to see people get their face punched in so that sucked But oftentimes and that guy if he really wanted one then he would take a run at one of my teammates and that it was Like okay now it's no more questions asked. We're fucking going. Yeah now What's the difference between a fighter and an agitator because we just had Sean Avery on yes And I just want a clarification. Talk about another guy who had a great transition out of playing. He's fucking doing another Nolan movie.

He is an unreal actor. He's killing it. He's very disciplined too. He's part of my neighborhood watch for my daughter's house. He lives in the same neighborhood. And so you remember that TMZ video that came out of him yelling at the kid? Yes.

That was right by my house. No shit, yeah. He's gotten in a few Donnie Brooks off the ice. He's gone a full... Yeah, yeah, yeah. I love having him up there. It makes my kid feel safe. And he's doing all the Jiu Jitsu stuff too.

So he can fuck people up. Yeah, he's like... He's too pretty to be an agitator though. He was probably one of the best ever to, to agitate. I mean, I know you had him on recently. He talked about the broder stuff. Sean would say some insane shit to people on base, like places that I would not go.

Like if, like if, if yeah, just some of the shit he said, your jaw would drop and you'd be like, oh my God, I wouldn't want to be in a relationship if I was playing against Sean Avery. I might even divorce my wife before I played against him just to avoid the type of insults that he would throw. But he was very good at picking his spots

and then knowing when to rile the other team up and then not fighting. So he was a master of his craft. I don't think he left the league with a ton of friends, but I don't also think he gives a shit. He runs a tight ship, he's got a tight group, and that's all he cares about. Yeah. So the fighter and the agitator is different.

Yeah, like he was also a very good player. When he focused on playing, I think he could, he was a very reliable third line player. And even in some cases, he could go up and down the lineup. If you needed Sean to play on the first line for a night, he could fit in. Maybe not sustainably for a 20 game stretch, but for me, I was just more of a knuckle-draggler,

where the most minutes I ever played in a game, I'll never forget it. It was 11 minutes in Edmonton. I had to in a game, I'll never forget it. It was 11 minutes in Edmonton. I had to assist that game. And I felt like I needed to be in a body cast the next day. Cause even playing 11 minutes and keeping up to these world-class athletes,

like that was just not my jam. So I was comfortable with my five to six minutes, knuckle dragging, fourth line, dump it in, dump it out. Hey boys, change it up, let's go. Are you watching film of fighting guys like guys that you know potentially fight like I know this guy's he's gonna pull my jersey Probably give me a right hook or something so fortunately enough for me at the time where I started doing it like YouTube was a thing and Slowly social media started coming in so I could study that way where the olden days

they had to find like the VHS tapes and cut ups and also I started fighting in a time where like the American league actually probably had more of the tough guys in the NHL because they were slowly weeding out that style in the NHL where now it's a lot more organic and there's not as many heavyweights. Like guys like Tom Wilson are still very efficient because they can play and they're heavyweights. So fortunately for me, when I was in the NHL, I wasn't having to scrap the old fighters of the past where they would grab on and they would just go,

punch in the face match where there was no defense. None. I'd say watch it every time. Like these guys take fucking two or three off the face and just keep going. And I was more of a defensive fighter where you look back and I'm just so grateful. If I was playing in the seventies,

like my nose would be on the other side of my head. And I probably would be like eating through a tube at this point. So just a different era. And I guess to answer your, going back to your question, the difference between an agitator is somebody who doesn't necessarily have to fight all the time, but can get under people's skin, play the game,

and also handle his business. Sure. What makes a good locker room guy in hockey? I think just a self- Cause you guys always have, I feel like you guys always have pretty great locker rooms. There's not like, it's not like football or basketball or I don't know how baseball that much, they got a lot of that too

where there's like a lot of ego sometimes with certain positions. I feel like hockey, those guys are always, what makes the locker room so great? I mean there have been locker rooms like that. I was blessed throughout my entire career where we always had great locker room culture. I played in Pittsburgh's organization,

Phoenix's and LA's, and every organization was first class. And I would say what makes a good locker room guy is just like guys who are selfless. You know, they look after the team, they care about wins more than they do their individual stats. And that was just kind of how we operated in Phoenix. Because that's where I was for the majority of my NHL career.

We had great leadership like Shane Doane. And really, it was a trickle down effect from there. And I personally was in and out of the lineup. I was the locker room DJ. When I wasn't playing after the game, I was making sure I was handing out shakes. More you can do. I was making sure that we'd have a couple cases of beers

for the bus so the guys could get their pops. Boys are thirsty. Yeah, so I always, I learned from a young age that that's kind of what you had to do in order to be a good teammate, especially if you weren't contributing on the ice. But it goes back to the entire locker room where we just had a great culture

and that's just kind of the situations that I was in. Now what playlist as team DJ got the boys going the best? So I think you had to read the room and we had the Czech Mafias, we had about five or six Czech guys on our team. And so they- So they just straight- They like the techno.

They like, yeah, the disco biscuits, let's go. Yeah, going to Ibiza. And so they straight, they like the techno. They like, yeah, the disco biscuits. Let's go. Yeah. Going to all those finished dudes. They all love that shit. Oh, we, yeah, we had a few euros and when they were in the locker room, I made sure that they were, they were getting their techno. We had some Western leaguers. They wanted the country. Yeah. And then usually leading up to puck drop, it was hip hop and then maybe a few like hardcore ACDC, Thunderstruck. Can never go wrong. You can't go wrong with Thunderstruck.

I mean, I think it's on every kid's highlight film. That's 35 and older. Yeah, if you can't get your dick card to Thunderstruck, you got problems. You don't deserve to be in the league. I'm a TNT guy too. Yeah. Just want to hit some TNT.

Hoi! Hoi guy too. Yeah. Just wanna hit some TNT. TNT. Hoi. Dine. Hoi. Hoi. Yeah. Now I gotta ask something. You guys use the word slap dick. We use slap dick all the time too.

I didn't use slap dick much. No, they don't. I want the equivalent of slap dick. Oh, what's the equivalent? Explain slap dick. A slap dick to us is like a Baba Luke. Or like, just like. Explain Baba Luke.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should be speaking a different language now. A slapdick in a football locker room is kind of like a guy that, he's a slappy, like, he's. Like he'll go over after the game, what's happening, like that? No, he's more of, he's not a cool kid yet. You know how there's like socioeconomic statuses

in the locker room? Correct. He's not a cool kid, but he's not like somewhat, he's like in that bottom tier of the team. That was probably me. Yeah. I was a sad- The guy handing out the protein shakes after the game.

Or you know, the guys like, my one example is like, I remember me and Rob Ninkovic early in my career when I was a slap dick. We would sit in the locker room after organized team activities in the spring, like mini camps, and we'd have the rest of the day off and we'd be talking about going to Waxies, which is this local bar where no one knew who we were because we were helmets and we were young guys

and no one knew who we were because we were helmets and we were young guys and no one knew who we were. And we would sit there and we would just dream about, look at Brady and say, man, do you think he's gonna take his supermodel wife on a fucking helicopter to the Hamptons for a fucking lunch today or something? I just speculate about that? Those are the slap dicks that are looking at those guys. What is this, is there a slapdick name in hockey?

I would, I use the term tire pumper. I was, I used to pump guys' tires and, and you know, you want to make them feel good, especially a guy not playing is like, you want them being at their most confident. So even before games, like the rule was, is when I had Dave Tippett as a head coach, even when I was a healthy scratch, I would go for warmup.

So I'd be around the locker room just being like, man, you're the best. Like you're fucking buzzing lately, scoring all those goals. Maybe not speculating what they were doing with their wives, but more so just making sure their tires were pumped, their egos were inflated. We were marveling at like,

he's just like, man, I wonder what, he's probably gonna go to like Italy for the day. I would always like to ask guys, can I see your paycheck? Yeah. Cause they would put the hard copy in the stall. Oh yeah. And you know, I'd look at mine

and I was fucking grateful at that time. Like 20 grand every two weeks. Yeah. And then you'd look at a guy like Ed Jovanovski, like 250, 300K every two weeks. And you're just like, what the fuck? Go buy a Bentley if you wanted to today. If you wanted.

It's crazy. Silver leaf, playing golf every day, rubbing elbows. Mine, well, I'm eating at fucking Five Guys. Well, I'll tell you right now, at that time, my career, Thursdays was a Chili's night. Bottomless chips and salsa. That's your go-to? That was our go-to first three years of my career, Chiliis. So it wasn't until year four where you were a starter?

I was a special teamer. So I returned punts, I covered kicks. We had Wes Welker, Randy Moss, Joey Galloway. So I was bottom on the depth chart at receiver and I was a quarterback in college. So I was transferring positions. So I had to like make myself valuable. I had to go the hockey boy route

and fucking tire pump a bunch of dudes and play on every fucking team and learn the game before I got to have an opportunity to start. So like would Randy Moss dapp you up? Yeah, Randy loved like, Randy was so cool to me. He used to call me Edel nut.

He, you know, And he would make me... Why? Because I was like a nut. Okay. You know, I was a little kid fucking asking questions all the time. I had no clue. You're in a new part of the world,

new part of the country. You were probably bringing energy to the locker room too, what you have to do when you're a tire pumper, right? You can't be heard. You have to be seen as a rookie. Okay. You know, so you're not bringing that much. I came in hot.

That was my problem. Like some guys were probably like, this guy's a loser, but eventually I grew on them. I came in hot once with Randy on Christmas and told him to tell his mom, Merry Christmas, while he's on the phone with her. And he looked at me and said, Edelman, if I'm ever talking to my mom, just shut the fuck up. On Christmas.

Okay. So like, You are Jewish though, to be fair. But he also like loved me up. Like I would have to get the receiver, like when you're a young guy or rookie, you'd have to get all the food for the travel. And you do have to, usually have to pay for it

out of your own pocket, but he'd always, I was a seventh round guy, he'd always slide me the money and make me go, like he took care of me, but he let me know that I was a rookie, but he always, I was a seventh round guy. He'd always slide me the money and make me go, like he took care of me, but he let me know that I was a rookie, but he always, when no one was looking, he'd always pump my tires. So year four was when you walked in and you finally felt like you'd established yourself

and then you had like the brief. No, I was still battling. It wasn't until about year five, my year five, after year five, that's when I went for like 105 catches. That was the, after that year, that's when it was like, all right, now you're not a sloppy. So before that, you like wouldn't text back and forth

with Brady? I would, so I was trying to get there. I was making myself available. I was like, you know, I was making myself available. I was like the You know, I was kind of like the The non-threatening guy friend, okay for him Where you know if he needed me in LA anytime I traveled anywhere he was Just in case he needed me to throw to so I made myself available

So the first year, you know, in the off seasons, we didn't we threw once because all the receivers used to throw with them. And then, you know, by year four, we're throwing three or four times a day. And what that did was I learned what he liked. He learned my body mechanics and the rest is, you know, goes on to start in the friend zone with Brady. I was friend zone because he had Welker and Moss. Oh yeah, and then those guys took off and you took their place. And then they took off. Yeah. You know, he's kind of like Matthew McConaughey, I guess.

In Dazed and Confused. They get older. And I just. What is it? What is it? I keep getting older and they keep staying the same age. That's Tom. I was just a younger version of them.

That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. I was just a younger version of them. That's unbelievable. That's unbelievable. Oh, great way to put it. Who were some of the big dogs you looked out for on your teams? Well, Yans, because he was a skilled defenseman. Ed Jovanovski, who was a veteran defenseman for us, but a star at that time. He'd won a gold with a team candidate at the Olympics.

Shane Doane was our captain. The thing about Arizona is we didn't have a big budget. Like at one point when I was there, the league took over and they owned the team. So we never really had these like high end superstars on our team. We just had a really galvanized group of lunch pail mentality type of players

where my first, second and third year there we made playoffs every year. We were projected to finish last or second last in our conference and even the to the third year we won our division and ended up going to the conference finals so it was really cool that was that like 15 I I believe that that was 2013. I remember that. Yeah, we lost to the L.A. Kings and fire.

Remember those jerseys? And I was like, who the fuck is a coyote? Yeah, exactly. Exactly. I got a team now. Yeah, yeah, we're staying at the fucking best Westerns when other teams are staying at the Ritz Carlton and just like, you know, that's sick.

Eating chicken noodle soup before games just to survive. And and sure enough, we go all the way to the conference finals. So it was a very special group. And we had a guy, Ray Whitney, who played over a thousand games, over a thousand points, who was, he actually, he has a funny story. He grew up in Edmonton.

His father was a trainer for the Edmonton Oilers. And he grew up and he would go to the locker room and help as a trainer for game days. And he would be taping Wayne Gretzky sticks. Oh wow. Wayne Gretzky would use about like five to eight sticks every game and he would go there and tape it up and he'd make sure after the game in a Gatorade cup he'd have a beer so when Wayne was doing his interviews he'd be drinking a beer but it was in a Gatorade cup so no one knew so he ended up evolving into an incredible player, undersized but ended up having a tremendous career. So those are some of the leaders we have.

He must be a good tape stick taper, stick taper, because I remember watching Segan do that once, and it was like taping the stick. I know, but like that's a guy's, like to have someone else do it, it's like prepping your sword, no? Yeah, some guys are very sloppy about it. David Posternak used to just go like a couple strips,

and he'd score 50 goals. I love Posternak. Like right out of the wrapper, take a couple strips on it, and he's out there. But other guys are very precise where they would have the same amount. There wouldn't be a millimeter of difference between every layer of how it went all the way to the toe,

from heel to toe or whatever. But yeah, so that's the guy's sword that they have to use. So some guys treat it with massive respect. You have to. Yeah. Now, you started in social media. That's how everyone kind of found you. Then you jumped over into the mainstream

and you work with TNT. How the fuck has that been? Because I'm in this world now too, and it's a fun world. How is it for you guys? So I'm in this world now too, and it's a fun world, how is it for you guys? So I don't think I would be on TNT if it wasn't for the Spit and Chicklets podcast. So, rear admiral, RA as we call him,

him and Witt started the pod, and Mike Grinnell, our producer, hopped on, and then it kind of evolved to what it was. Before I hopped on that, I actually started as a color guy with the Coyotes after I retired. So doing the full game and talking for the three hours really prepared me for the podcast. Then the podcast got me the job with TNT because of the popularity that had grown from it. And also the fact that when I was playing with the Coyotes,

Wayne Gretzky was actually the coach before I got there. The market had gone down, so he kept his home there and his two kids, Ty and Trevor, along with my good buddy Joey Superstein, they were living in this mansion going to ASU. So I was going there and partying with them and we were throwing these after hours, like Tom Green would show up. It was just this crazy time in my life.

And when the TNT gig came up, Wayne Gretzky was already hired. And when they were talking about people to add, Ty and Trevor, his kids were like, dad, why don't you get Biz on board? Like he's a fucking clown online. Like he would be awesome for the broadcast. So Wayne's like, all right.

And then he mentioned it to them. I went in for a trial and hit it off with Liam McHugh, who's an incredible bus driver. And thenugh, who's an incredible bus driver. And then, yeah, he's an unreal bus driver. Like this guy's motor's insane. And then, and then Anson Carter, who'd already been doing it, and the trial went great.

And the next thing you know, I got hired to do NHL on TNT. And I've been so grateful to just be a part of that whole franchise. And the fact that the NBA guys like Shaq, Chuck, Ernie, all of them have kind of set the table and transformed the way that broadcast should be. Like we're so much looser and able to snap it around at that pace because those guys had done what they did prior and TNT and Turner is just a dream to work for. It's been first class and couldn't be more grateful.

And it's so fun, because I work at Fox and it's fun watching you guys. And from my experience, getting to go to work and see Howie Long, Terry Bradshaw, it gives you my football fix. Like everyone asks, don't you want a coach? I'm like, fuck no, those guys have no lives. I still get my football fixed by going to work

and talking old war stories with Terry Bradshaw, Howie Long, Michael Strahan, all those guys and have that locker room vibe. How's the locker room vibe with fucking your guys? Yeah, Gretzky. Like how crazy is it? How is it to get to work with the fucking great one every day?

It's surreal. And my first year, especially, because he was doing a little bit more. And I'm even shocked the fact that he's doing it. He's done so much as an ambassador for the game. He does so much for the alumni. So the fact that we even get to be in his presence is incredible. And our first year, before Rick Tocket, his good buddy,

had got a head coaching job with the Vancouver Canucks, after broadcast, we'd go back to their, whether it was Wayne or Rick's room, and they would just tell these stories for hours and hours. And so I'd be up till 4.30 and I'd have a 6 a.m. car going, but I didn't care. I just wanted to be here in these iconic stories that have transformed the game and stories that you hear about on television

when they're breaking it all down, but even like more of the incertices, is that how you say it? I'm not a word guy. Me neither. Yeah, that's why I tried a big one. That's like four syllables. I should probably stick to my anime, off the glass and out.

The little details, that's where all the details. Even more so, so just to be around him and be in his presence, it's like I pinch myself all the time. He's the greatest to ever do it. And also the reason they call him the great one is not because of what he accomplished on the ice, but also what he's done off the ice. There's no bigger guy.

All he wants to do is help the former players, whether it's get them insurance and grow the game and just help everybody out in the hockey world and just an unreal ambassador for the game of hockey. He seems like just a nice guy. He is the man, dude. He's the man. He looks like, I've never met him.

He's the best. He seems so cool. I'll tell him next time he's here, I bet you he would come on your podcast. I would love to have fucking Wayne Gretzky on the goddamn podcast his kids his kids help run his hockey school his merchandise So they're keeping it as a family business and they run his social so he went on the Theo von podcast Yeah, so they'll be like dad go on this and he'll be like, okay, so he just loves it and he's like a great family guy he that's like a

You know, we were very fortunate in our sport to have a great face guy too like Tom You know the guys that are faces of leagues and that are generational greats They're not just that because they're great on the field or on the ice. It's because they're overall just great dudes great humans And that's why there's so much greater than everyone. Yeah, and exactly. And like going back, look at how much Tom's done for the game. Like you would think, man, go chill on a beach and go relax, go enjoy it.

And it's almost like he feels like he's indebted to the game based on what it's provided his life to continue to grow it and obviously to continue to be a part of it. And he just loves it. And you could tell with all of them, it's just a fabric of their being. And yeah, it's just.

Because they respect the game and they understand. You know, you get a lot of these, a lot of people that say, you know, I'm not letting the sport define me. Well, you know, the great ones do. They understand that they're in debt to the sport because what the sport has given us. And you love that sport, you know what I mean?

And that's what you see from those two specifically. What's it like watching a game with them? Is he breaking that shit down? Or what were you gonna say? Oh yeah, that and also how it'll correlate to like just this insane monumental moment throughout hockey history. So that's the best thing with him.

It's like Goosebumps choose your own ending. He could bring it anywhere. So getting to watch, he also sees it. Like what's the term? He's almost like a savant. So sometimes he'll like describe a plan. I'll be like, oh yeah. Like, I don't know what the fuck he's saying.

Are you kidding me? He should have dumped it in. But even to go back to Wayne and why he is the way he is, his father, Walter, he was an icon in himself and probably a lot of the pressure that he took off Wayne when he was even going through it and the fact that he was an ambassador in himself, whether he was signing autographs or doing media hits,

like he really pushed it upon Wayne to continue that ambassadorship and move the game forward. And even to when Wayne was a child, his father was so innovative where he built a pond in his backyard and he would be doing drills with tennis balls. And Wayne would be like, why am I doing drills with a tennis ball

rather than a puck? And he'd say why am I doing drills with a tennis ball rather than a puck? And he'd say, because if you can control a tennis ball, your hands will be so soft. That way when the puck comes, you'll be able to cradle it so much smoother and softer than everybody else. And that was like, those were like little details that he taught Wayne at a young age

that propelled them to be this phenom and end up living up to everything that, like, kind of like McJesus, like all the hype, he lived up to every single ounce of it. Is McJesus going to be? He is him. It's what he does on the ice. It's, I don't get it. I don't understand it. So I actually, I knew that I could never play in the NHL again when I played in an exhibition game, when I was with the LA Kings organization. So I was in training camp. They did this like craft hockey-ville game.

And it was in like Vernon, BC. So we traveled there. I got to play in the game and I was obviously playing fourth line. And you'd heard about this kid. And I think this was his first year in the league and his first training camp. So I ended up getting caught out on the ice twice against him and he grabbed the

puck in his own end went through our whole five guys and put it in the second time he did it he set somebody up and they scored. So two times I got caught out against them and the speed in which he was skating and controlling the puck after the game I'm like I'm done there's no And then sure enough, I got sent home the next day, like back down to the minors. So that was the end of it. And I knew that this game was being handed off to another level in which I didn't think

was ever gonna be possible. Jesus. That's exciting though. It's so exciting. That's exciting for hockey because the leagues need one guy. Like who's basketball's guy right now? Which is in a different form of fashion

because they have a bunch of guys, but they're not like American guys, so they can't build around. Hockey's in a different world where the hockey, I consider Canada and American guys like for the North in America, you know what I mean? Where you can rally behind, at least in this country. Like they don't have that in a lot of other sports

right now, hockey, you have a future. So not only M'Jesus as we call him, but like Nathan McKinnon. McKinnon, Austin Matthews too. Austin Matthews, he had 69 goals last year. Then you got his predecessor, or you just got a couple little battles for it's like i feel like hockey is going into it's almost like it's glory days because of just the the growth of the game in the united states and given the population they formed the development program here so the american kids are uh the united states so they have days who'd they hire

um i don't know who runs the. A lot of Canadian guys? There are a lot of Canadian hockey players that have settled in the States. And probably a big reason as to why the minor programs in these different cities, whether it's Dallas, Florida, that these kids are obviously being raised in the States as Americans and the game is growing here. Yeah, Canadians do have a little part to do with it, but there's tons of amazing

Americans. I heard John Barsall saying, he said it was all Canada. Yeah. PMT is like, you never know where they're going. So I just kind of got off the rails with them. So had to take credit, especially during this time of the four nations and all the, the, the controversy between us and Canada. But, uh, but no, it's the game is in a great place and all the controversy between US and Canada. But no, the game is in a great place, and all these players are pushing the envelope, and especially the US with how many great players they have. They have Jack Eichel. Eichel.

You just mentioned awesome Matthews. They have some great defensemen. Even Canada, like Karel McCarr, you see his picture on the screen. UMass. He is, yeah, he's a UMass guy. Wayne Gretzky, you just said the other day, he goes, yeah, he's a UMass guy. Wayne Gretzky just said the other day, he goes, Biz, he's the best thing,

he's the biggest comparable to Bobby Orr I've ever seen. And that is very high praise. He revolutionized the game as a defenseman, where he would just take the puck from his own end, he'd skate through the team and do whatever he did out there. And Kale McCarr defensively and offensively is just an absolute phenom and living up

to every expectation too. Quinn Hughes, he's an American. He's a water bug out there. So he won last year's Norris ahead of Kale McCarr. So you almost like, you have these battles going on between each of these positions, which is a good thing because it's just forcing them all to up their game. And on top of that, you have a storyline

of the Hughes brothers. So this- I fucking love that the hockey guy, there's so many goddamn brothers in the hockey leagues. They have three of them that are all unbelievable. And they're all really, they're all like all stars. You got the Kachuk brothers who are now the modern day Bash brothers from the Mighty Ducks movie.

So, Bolton. There's a million storylines going on in hockey and that's why I said I feel like we're entering like a new, the golden era. A hockey renaissance. Yeah, yeah. A hockey renaissance. Olympics next year too.

Huh? Olympics next year. This four nations is really gonna be that one, two punch. Honestly? Yeah. They timed it up perfect with the four nation thing. Cause now you got Olympics, which always gives fucking cheers and playoff hockey's coming up.

So you're gonna get this and this back off. Betman gets so much flack and I don't know if it's just a thing where like all the, um, all the guys who run the leagues, the commissioners get it. But, um, as much as, as flack as he takes, he's done an exceptional job along with the league, the players association, the alumni to put it in a position where it is now it'd been nine years since hockey had best on best, uh, for the COVID reason. And then at one point they just couldn't reach an agreement on an insurance situation. But you see, yeah, you seem to know quite a bit of what's going on.

It's 2010 since the Crosby golden goal. They was there. Was there a world cup? They did form a world cup where they had like an under 25 team. So it wasn't necessarily that traditional, but the fact that they did it the first one in nine years, McDavid and Crosby were able to put on Team Canada, Jersey together. People want to act like it's a maybe like call it an all-star

game or this makeshift event. But those are the four leading hockey nations outside of Russia. They're on timeout still. What's that? They're still on timeout. They're on timeout still. What's that? They're still on timeout. They're on timeout. Yeah, that's for other political reasons

that I don't really feel the dive into the weeds on. But they end up having this thing the year before the Olympics in order to kind of just really propel it and get people anticipated for what will be an incredible, incredible event in Italy. So hockey is on a heater right now, and it couldn't be in a better place.

It couldn't be in a better place. Kyler, do you want to ask your Pittsburgh stuff real quick before we jump in? Since before I can remember, you were a part of the organization right at the start of the Crosby Gina LeTang flower. Yeah. Can you just, can you, in the organization, in the building,

could you see that was coming? Oh, yeah. Yeah, it was kind of could you see that was coming? Oh yeah. Yeah, it was kind of like, I'm sure, that you doubt what was with Tom. That was my first experience with playing with a guy who was obsessed with the game. And Sid would come to the rink every day and the way that he would prepare,

the way that he would be so focused when the drill was being drawn up, he would be the first guy in line, and he would set the tone to every single drill, and if the level wasn't at the level, he would be barking. And even if I was the second guy in line, Gino, Evgeny Malkin, he'd come in, and he'd be like, Biz, back in line.

We're fucking setting the tone. So to watch Evgeny Malkin, Crosby, Marc-Andre Fleure, who's still playing, all of them are playing, it's crazy. Le Tang, and the enthusiasm they also brought to the rink. You just knew that it was just a matter of time before they hoisted the cup, and really saved the team from probably moving.

So, but yeah. They were gonna move the Penguins? Don't they love the Penguins in Pittsburgh? It was just a dark time, right? Like it was the- Like one of the, isn't that love the penguins in Pittsburgh? It was just a dark time, right? Like it was one of the, isn't that like one of the most historic? Yeah, because of Mario and the Jagger and what they'd done. But, you know, unfortunately they were reaching

their dog days, Mario was retiring and that, that lottery ball where they won and they got Cindy Crosby changed it all. And then the following year they got Malkin and Actually the year before that it was my draft when they ended up picking Marc Andre Fleury at number one overall So they were fortunate enough to get those spots in the draft Jordan Stahl too. Yeah, Jordan Stahl was huge He was a great third line center for them at a young age when they ended up winning it So it was just the perfect time. And actually what was cool about it,

the year that I was drafted was 03, and I got to go to training camp where it was one of Mario's, if not his last year. So I got to do training camp with Mario Lemieux and share the ice with him. I was so fucking nervous. I was in his group in training camp. And I'll never forget, we were doing this easy drill where the defenseman rounds the net. And at this time I was still his group in training camp, and I'll never forget, we were doing this easy drill

where the defenseman rounds the net, and at this time I was still a D, and all you had to do was hit the winger along the wall. It was a 15 foot fucking pass, and I rounded the net and it was Mario, and I missed him by about 20 feet, and they had to blow down the drill, and we had to restart, and I was so embarrassed.

Did he say anything like, what's up kid? No, no, he was so cool about it. Yeah. Eddie Olchek was the coach at the time. And so thankfully the next time I did it, I hit his tape. But I'll never forget, he must have had a golf match after the practice. And we didn't have the scrimmage that day.

So normally you bag skate when you don't. You know what a bag skate is? And to practice like line up, no pucks, just conditioning. Yeah, liners. And yeah, Edzo was our coach at the time. Again. He was like, all right, boys, great practice, great pace today, we're just gonna do a little skate.

And then Mario's like, hey, and he's like, gives it the, no, we're good. And then Edzo's like, great practice today, boys, enjoy yourselves, play rebound if you want, and have a great day. And that was, I was like, what? Like I'd never seen anything like that. And just Mario's aura and seeing him around

was just like something I'll never forget. So my time in Pittsburgh, as much as it was in the minors and even the ECHL, I was just grateful to spend that little of time around those legends. You got to be around some fucking legends. Legends. I'll never forget. You're still around legend. You're a legend. So no, the Afghani Malkin, that was the year.

I want to say he might've won the con. Yes. Yes. That first year. And he won the heart too, I think. Yeah. He was just on fire. And when you do an entry level contract in the NHL, you're able to get bonuses. So that following training camp, I was still on the team and we're riding the bike.

And then this Frank Bernomo, who was like the PR guy, he comes off and drops an envelope. And you could see once he opened it, Evgeny Malkin's face lit up. And I was like, what's going on over there? And he handed it over and it was like a million dollar check that he'd gotten for all his bonuses. And I was playing in the A at the time, making peanuts.

And I just like, I'll never forget. And I think a few days later, his 911 Porsche showed up. Like this guy is just zipping around town. They'd no way a cop would pull him over because they probably knew it was Gino. So just living legends and a silly time in my life. Oh my God. Were you ever around when his parents would show up?

I was not there, but that was when the iconic series that he had against the Carolina Hurricanes. Oh, that backhand and go insane. When he had the hat trick that game and he scored that wraparound goal, he went around the net and then he just like did like a spin around a backhand top cheese and his mom's crying in the stands and everybody's like, chant and G, no, G, no. And yeah, I actually, unfortunately I was in the a at the time then and we were in playoffs and I got hit ass over tea kettle. So I had a guy hit me low and high and it just so happens

the guy who hit me high, he stepped on my wrist. And so I was in getting surgery because I cut my like tendons and my nerves. Yeah, you could die that way. They say usually if you want to kill yourself slit your wrists. But I got up and I saw the person in the front row. So we were in a playoff series against the Hershey Bears and their NHL team was the Washington Capitals and Pittsburgh was playing Washington in the second round. That was always the biggest rivalry. It was Ovi and Sid where they would have the hat trick games

and it would go to game seven. It was like so good for the game. These guys carried the league forever. And so I was in the eight, I got my wrist stepped on and I got up and I could see the people in the front row grabbing their mouth being like, oh my God. And I had blood on my jersey. So I'm like patting my head, looking at my hand, like what's bleeding? And then I look at my other hand and it just squirt no blood.

And we had a medic on the team who'd went to like the, I forget what war it was. Like, like one of the, one of the stories or something. Yeah. One of those where he, that was like the least of what he'd seen. So fortunately I went down the tunnel with a thread and needle. He closed it off. I was able to get to the hospital and they shipped me off to Pittsburgh. So I was there for that series for a couple games

when they were playing against Washington. That was that iconic series. The Dueling Hattrick game? The Dueling Hattrick, I want to say was in Washington, but I was watching it on a TV when I was in Pittsburgh and then they ended up coming back to Pittsburgh for I think it was like game six or something like that So just a crazy time and to be in the Pittsburgh organization. What was the energy like in the old igloo? The Eagle was unbelievable and the acoustics were perfect as shitty as the dressing rooms were and

Whatever the facility who gave a fuck it was iconic and I didn't care just because of the vibe in that arena It was awesome sucks. They had to tear it down. But you know, I don't like the way they build these new rinks There's not enough character in my opinion. I like when they when they do them a little different cheese But yeah, I know we kind of got off the rails there for us. Thank you for humoring me in my opinion. I like when they do them a little different. Geez. But yeah, I know we kinda got off the rails there. No, thank you for humoring me. You're the first Penguin on our show. We're almost at 100 episodes, so thank you.

Yeah, no, it was, like I said, very blessed. He's from Massachusetts and the guy's a Penguins fan. I like the animal, and my parents spent some time in Pittsburgh, they lived in Swickly for a little bit. Yeah, that's where Sid lives. Mario, and it was Yager, my number growing up, I was 67, because I was in Pittsburgh. They live in Swickley for a little bit. So it was also Mario and it was Yager. My number growing up was 67 because I was in the middle. Yeah, Mario was another guy just like Gretzky

where they would have been very close in points if he stayed healthy and he didn't deal with the cancer and the back issues. And like Mario was just bad ass, man. He would show up. Like, I don't know how much training he was doing in the off season. Ripping heaters.

He'd be ripping heaters and fucking go out there like two goals to assess like it was easy How big of a legend are you you know I see it a lot with these hockey guys man? I went out I just I Just remember going out with you guys and You guys would have a game the next day I would be in like offseason training like stress and like man I'm not gonna be able to run tomorrow for team run these guys go out and fucking play hockey the next day. I would be in like off season training, like stressing, like, man, I'm not going to be able to run tomorrow for team run. These guys go out and fucking play hockey

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Listen to the anxious achiever on the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's just go back in time. This is a segment where we go back into time around where the game took place. We talk over pop culture. This can be a little weird because this happened fucking last week. So February 21st, 2025. Oh, it's funny because it has the 50th anniversary of Saturday Live.

Wayne was supposed to go to that. We talk about him being the ambassador. He was when he came to L.A. He became so popular, he ended up hosting Saturday Night Live one time. So he got invited to that. He unfortunately didn't make it, but. He had TNT, right? Yeah, he had TNT.

TNT, 50th anniversary Saturday Night Live last week, White Lotus season three, you watch that? I don't watch television. I should watch more, but I just don't watch TV. What do you do at night? I just, I'm just so invested in hockey and trying to be on top of it all. I'm a bit of a hockey junkie.

And yeah, I don't know. I just don't watch TV for whatever reason. But you recommend White Lotus? I don't. I do. It's pretty good. It's good. I did The Breaking Bad.

I did what other one? I think one of the best series of all time was the one that the Woody Harrelson was in true detective true detective. Yeah, was it season two? Season one that was probably the best show I've ever watched. So good. Who is the guy yesterday at LA skate? Tish Oh Taylor Kish was really good at Prime evil you'll like that He was really good at hockey. He was really good at hockey. He was in season number two.

He was in American Prime Evil. You'll like that movie. It's about the Mormons. Yeah, Drigan's from Friday Night Lights. Yes. He was so good yesterday. Okay, yeah. He was fucking, I saw his skill.

There's three or four actors. I'm like, is that guy in the league? The guy from Shorzy too. You watch Shorzy? Oh yeah, so I'm good buddies with Terry Ryan. Like Terry Ryan. He was pretty good. Yes, so Teddy Purcell, who played for the LA Kings, he's good buddies with this Terry Ryan,

and he's like this folk hero back in Newfoundland. And he wasn't on Shorzy yet. Like he'd just retired and was kind of trying to find his way. And Teddy Purcell said, you know, this guy is a character you need to get him on your podcast. And we got him on. And I think that Jared Kiso had found out about him because of it. And he'd already been doing a little bit

of acting as well, so it kind of just propelled this career that he's now on. He's doing Shorzy, he ended up playing another game in the ECHL after many years of being retired, so he's just become kind of this folklore hero. He looks the part. Looks the part, Terry Ryan. And he played it all last night, like he was playing in character, like booing the part. Terry Ryan. He played it all last night.

He was playing in character, booing the fans. I was like, what the? Ten Hitchcock is his name on 10 Inchcock, is the play off of it on Shorzy. But just an unreal guy. He had some good handles. Oh, by the way, absolutely love the KHL episodes you guys do. It's incredible.

Anytime you get guys on that played in the K, it's just incredible stuff. Yeah, especially when we Anytime you get guys on that played in the K, it's just incredible stuff. Yeah, especially when we get them back from guys who played in the Super League before it turned into the KHL. But yeah, the shit that they got going on in Russia is just gnarly. One guy told the story about how when he would go

on the road trip, he would come back and his furniture would be a little off. So he thought he had ghosts in his apartment and he got injured on the road one time where he told the coach, hey, my groin's hanging on by a thread, like I can't play. So they're like, well, we're not gonna bring you on

the rest of the week and a half of the road trip. So they flew him back and he tried to open up his apartment. The deadbolt was on. A family would be living in his apartment when he was on the road, he had no idea. So that's why the first- In Russia? In Russia, just the shit that was, why they would go on

a gold drought, a couple of games. They got shut out practice time. Hey boys, everybody on the ice early. They'd slaughter like a goat or like a lamb on the ice, slit the throat, blood all out in the crease. They'd cook up the lamb after practice, eat it. And that would cure the goal scoring drought. So just the shit they had going on.

The Eastern Europeans, bro, like the Russians, any time you hear a stand on something, one of the kakas stands, a z stands, a that stand, they're fighting bears. They're showing up to pick up the guys at the airport with AK-47s. I mean, standard in those countries. One of the owners one time, he didn't think the ref

was calling a good game, so he came down on the bench and he threatened his family. Oh, I thought he killed them. Maybe after the game. I don't know if this ref has ever been seen or heard from again, but at least at the time, another one of the owners coming in the room with an AK-47, like yelling at the guys for not playing hard enough. It was guys getting paid cash at practice and then they'd come back after

and the duffel bag they got paid in was gone. Just guys flying back home goalies where they would take all the stuffing out of their pads, put the cash in there and then sew it back up and fly back with the cash. So they didn't have to pay tax on it and get it out of there. Wait, now is it American cash or is it?

I think that they are paying them in US dollars, these players. So. Cash is king. All right. Yes, it is. Let's break down the game. This team, USA team. We'll be quick with it.

Led by Mike Sullivan, the 23-man roster had a solid mix of vets and young bucks. This team featured two sets of brothers and six sets of NHL teammates. Notable dudes, Austin Matthews, the Chucks, Jack Eichel, Jake Gunsell, Connor Hellebuck, and Charlie McEvoy. It's an All-Star team, so there's more names.

It's an All-Star team, but we didn't have our best All-Stars out there because McEvoy had a fucking shoulder thing. What's this? He got an infection? Yeah, so from, according to the boss and Bruins, they released a statement. I don't know if they were necessarily crazy about how it was handled. So it escalated to now where he's gonna miss more time. They said it was an affection in his shoulder.

That's the only details that I got. This is the shit that could get the all-star games fucked up. Your star player goes down. Yeah, yeah, you don't want that happening. You know what I mean? This is the only, this is why, this is what all the other people are gonna say,

like, this is why the other leagues don't play their best players all the time. I think it would be short-sighted to not understand what this did for the game. That is part of the discrepancy and why the owners push back on doing the Olympics. The Olympics don't pay the NHL anything to use their resources.

So these owners are worried about these guys going and all of a sudden you got a guy like Jack Hughes. Well, what if he goes down where you're trying to make a playoff push with the with the New Jersey Devils? So I thought in a perfect world, there maybe could be some financial kickback considering what hockey is doing for the Olympics or these one off events. But I guess the viewership and the exposure to the game should be enough. Yeah. Now, how do you describe this US team? Unreal.

They got a little bit of everything. The biggest thing about the US is the guys that they still have coming up, right? And there's a lot of young guys on this roster, like Brock Faber, very young defenseman for the Minnesota Wild where if you would have watched him play you would have been like this guy's a 30 year old season vet. Another guy Jacob Slavin like these guys were not household names before this tournament who were

just exceptional exceptional players. Zach Warrensky's still young. Quinn Hughes I want to think I think he's like what 25 years old? He's not that old, maybe 26. So that's what really stands out to me is just where USA hockey is heading and the guys that they have on this roster. What's prime age for hockey? It might be like this with football, but it's slowly going down, or sorry, it's quickly moving down in age.

I would say prime would probably be about 28 years old now. Same, I'd say that. That's when I was at my athletic prime. Yeah. 28, 29, 28. It's when your man strength hits your knowledge. Yeah, yeah. That's pretty much the peak.

And I think that US are really hitting that stride. The only thing about Canada now is Sidney Crosby's on the back nine. So that really sucks. Bradmarby's on the back nine. So that really sucks. Brad Marshaw's on the back nine. So really this and the Olympics. Oh, space killer. Will be a, oh yeah, exactly.

Will be a passing of the torch more so for the Canadians than the Americans. And we did touch on the Russians. Political climate aside, I think it would be a travesty if Russia was not able to compete in the next Olympics in hockey, just because of when Crosby and Ovechkin came in the league, there was so much expectation. And these guys have carried the league for 20 years and you would be able to have Malkin, Ovechkin, Bobrovsky, and some of these older Russian players who

have carried the torch for them, handing it off to the Kapri Sovs and the next wave of Russian player, and much like Canada. So to not have them involved as a top five hockey nation would suck, specifically for the hockey topic. Sometimes when I say that on a podcast like ours, you'll see people commenting like, there's a reason they're not involved. It's like, bro, I don't know what the fuck is going on with all this warfare and political bullshit.

You're a puckhead. You don't do politics. I got my grade 10. I'm like fucking Ricky from Trailer park boys for crying out loud. Like I got 3% on my grade 11 math exam. I failed my states and capitals test for crying out loud. So don't look at me for that. I just want to see good hockey. Of Canada or of US? US. That's understandable. You're not from here. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you for backing me on that. That's understandable. Yeah, you're a great guy.

I mean, I would tell you there's probably 50 percent of the NFL that doesn't know all the states And to be fair, I probably I probably fail my territory in province Test to if we had it in Canada So yeah, not the sharpest knife in the drawer and also going back to my concussions a lot of CT here It's always it's a great thing to blame. It's a good card as an ex-athlete. Do you usually rely on that one? Forget a name?

Yeah. I had Ned for a living for 12 years. Four syllable word, CTE. CTE. Yep, yep. CTE. Yeah, CTE. No, I meant going back to my word earlier.

Yeah, sorry. CTE. CTE. Yeah, CTE. How going back to my word earlier. Yeah, sorry CT How do you describe this Canada team on team Canada led by John Cooper as usual? This is a heck of a roster led by vet Sydney Crosby Brad Marshawn along with three lightning players forwards were stack Connor McDavid Nathan McKinnon Mitch Marner goaltender Bennington just the Bennington kid. I thought he was I was watching that game. He had like four or five saves that I was like, this game should be over.

Yeah. He had some like unreal saves in overtime and late in like the third, I think. Did he not or oh, oh, they look like they're open nets. And he just fucking swiped that thing. You're bang on. And I don't know how many people listening know his story, kind of like my trajectory, where he got in a little bit of trouble and you know was down in the ECHL and AHL and then eventually he got recalled halfway through the year, the year that St. Louis won the Stanley Cup and he just went on this incredible tear and he's actually named after Michael Jordan.

His father named him after Michael Jordan. And he just kind of has that pedigree where the bigger the moment, the bigger he plays. And he won game seven in the Boston Garden. And then since then has had a great career. But he really thrives under pressure and those moments where his regular season numbers might not be the best. But if you got one game and you need a goalie in that,

that's who I'm picking for Team Canada. Not cut in time. That's the guy. That's the guy. The Ben Nasty, they call him the snowman. I don't need to go into that, but he's got a lot of fun nicknames and he's absolute character off the ice.

Going up top to John Cooper, obviously won a couple cups with the Tampa Bay Lightning. I would compare him to like hockey's version of Phil Jackson. Not 10 championships, but so well-spoken, so methodical, unreal on the mic, an incredible motivator, and just really knows how to manage the egos. And not to say Canla has egos in the locker room, but when you've got Crosby's, the McKinnons,

and the McDavids, and the Dawgs, you have to find a way to gel all of them together. And he was the perfect guy for the job, along with Rick Tauke, remember that I mentioned him being on the panel? He should be a Hall of Famer from a player standpoint. He actually is the NHL record holder for Gordie Howe-Hatrix. So a goal and assist and a fight. And he was an absolute nail gun when he played.

Wow. Like he could do it all. This guy was a machine. So now he's coaching after doing the panel and he was the assistant. And then the, I mean, the players we can list off, like you just did, McDavid, And then the players we can list off like you just did, McDavid, absolute electric factory, Crosby, I believe he will go down as a Mount Rushmore player. It's hard because the debate is, is you have Gordie Howe, you have Bobby Orr, Wayne Gretzky, and Mario Lemieux.

I don't know who you take off that list, and most people listening might say, you're not taking any of them off the list. Well, then we're chiseling out a fifth. Because Sidney Crosby and what he's able to do as a winner. And fuck chiseling a six once he breaks the goal record. I don't know. Maybe you do a modern day version of it.

And eventually, Kale McCarr will be on it, because that's just how good he is. And then fucking Nathan McKinnon. You could argue as good as Connor McDavid is that Nathan McKinnon in the last two years stretch is better. He won the MVP last year. He's got his Stanley Cup. I believe he, did he win the Con Smythe or was it Kale McCarr who got it? I think it might have been Kale. Kale got it. I think it might have been Kale. But Nathan McKinnon might win another MVP this year and to watch him play much like McDavid, he is ferocious. He gallops on the ice.

He will hit guys and he can do it all. I actually bang for buck would probably put McKinnon slight edge favorite over who to watch more so than McDavid. No disrespect to Connor. Like I love Connor. I just like the fact that McKinnon, he is, he's tapped like MJ. Like he's the guy in the locker room. Like it doesn't matter if it's his best friend. If he doesn't think you're bringing it that day, he'll be like, what the fuck are you doing? Move the fucking puck. And like, that's just how he is.

He's the dog. He's the dog and everybody has to match his intensity. It was good when they had Landis Gog on the team cause he was a perfect balance in the locker room. Blue guy. Blue guy to maybe calm him down a little bit. But apparently he will not say a word to Makara, which is actually funny cause he's actually younger than him.

But that just tells you how big of a dog Makara is too. Who's the team asshole? I would say that Marshawn plays a perfect villain and is a guy who, from a veteran standpoint, and the fact that he doesn't have to carry the weight as so much of a player in that locker room that we're looking at right now. He's the guy who probably handles all the media and settles the guy down the best and is also chirping the most on the bench. You don't want you don't want Connor or or McKinnon having a worry about Josh and with the other team.

You want to have guys who are the factors and guys taking the focus away from that. I thought Hegel did an incredible job against fighting Matthew Kachuk, even though he's a little bit undersized and handle himself well in the media as well. So Canada had its its dogs in the lineup. How do you sum up this rivalry? Canada, US now, it's got to be at the highest it's ever been. I think that hockey is gonna do insane numbers at the Olympics in Italy.

I also think that this experience of controlling the best on best tells me that the NHL doesn't need the Olympics to grow it. Because you're also in a different time zone. So now it's inconveniencing North America where hockey is at its biggest. And also with the best on best being either in North America and or Sweden and Finland, you are in the Mecca of where hockey can grow the most and the most people are

watching. And if you do control at North America, they were starting the Sweden Finland game and the Finland people are watching. And if you do control at North America, they were starting the Sweden-Finland game and the Finland-Sweden games even against US and Canada at one o'clock. So that's prime time for over there. So if I'm the NHL, I focus on making that World Cup and controlling that and also keeping it North American rules where you're not having Olympic ice.

You're allowed to fight because I think that fighting in hockey is what differentiates us from other sports and gives us that added edge considering of the four major sports. It's probably at the bottom of the totem pole. But with continuing best on best Olympics and World Cup, I think it can continue to claw away and propel at that audience. I think you're clawing at baseball, bubs. Yeah, baseball is brutal. Baseball and basketball are up for the clawing. It's brutal.

I think basketball is such a horrible product now. And you know, I think that LeBron and Steph Curry and those guys did a great job of carrying the league for a long time. But much like the Crosby's and the OVs, they're handing it off in amazing hands. Whereas I don't know if that's the case in basketball right now. I don't know who the next wave are and that's no disrespect to the sport. It's just the time is ours, buddy.

It is. It is. Let me do the lead up real quick and blast through this. So Four Nations Tournament, we all kind of know at this point. Uiston Canada played that game beforehand on Saturday night, started off with three fights, going in hot. So, anticipation for the final in Boston was huge. The Trump comments, the booling of the this,

it just all manifested into like, this was the biggest game. And also the WWE approach that the Kachuk brothers took. Fucking Canadians are a little bit better name. I know. Hey, the Kachuk brothers and Walt, that's what they call him. Keith Kachuk. There was a former Walt Kachuk in the NHL. That's why Keith Kachuk's name nickname became. Yeah. And I think that people thought it was his kid, but it wasn't. He should be a Hall of Famer in his own right.

He scored 500 goals. He was very impactful in growing the game with the 96 World Cup of hockey, where US shocked Canada. And that was another moment that propelled hockey in the United States and the growth of it here. And just the fact that he passed the torch on to his boys. And Canadians handle it a little bit different. They're a little bit more silent in their approach.

They handle their business as such. But in the States, you have to do things differently if you're hockey. You have to be a little bit more loud mouth. So the fact that they were going on and talking about that group chat and yapping, I love that. I think that that's the WWE approach. And I'm so grateful that they did it

because there's a reason that it hit 16 million viewers, and they're a big part of that. Exactly. Now you gotta explain to us, this game goes back and forth, it goes one Canada, one US, then Canada hits it up again, the US ties it up, they get into OT.

Explain overtime to us, or it's the other way around. Yeah, I apologize. McKinnon scored first, followed by the T'Chuk. Kemp, my friend. Yeah, Brady T'Chuk. And he wasn't even supposed to play because he was a little banged up,

as well as Matthew being banged up. And Brady scores his goal when obviously he's going to the blue paint and the crease. And I thought that Austin Matthews had two great assists and he played a tremendous game. And then USA and the crease. And I thought that Austin Matthews had two great assists and he played a tremendous game. And then USA took the lead. This kid, Jake Sanderson, who wasn't even supposed to be at the tournament,

another unbelievable youngster took Quinn Hughes' spot, scores the goal, had goal. And then Mitchie Marner, a Canadian kid who had a lot of pressure coming on to him in this game because he'd never really lived up to a big moment and he ends up making a great play over to Sam the Bennett Menace, who's a savage on the ice. He's a savage.

He's the one who sucker punched Marsha on that series who got away with it. And then that set the table for overtime. Now they're playing on the same team? McDavid needed a moment in a game like this and he got that beautiful pass from Mitchie Marner in the slot. And, and you even said it though, going back before that, Bennington made three, four, 10 bell saves where this game should have been over.

I thought we were waiting like four times. And can you explain over time? What's the rules of golden goal? So yeah, it changed because in the round Robin, it was three on three, which is a rule that the NHL adopted to make overtime more excited. It's quicker, probably two, faster, quicker, and more games are ending in overtime as opposed to shootout, which I don't like to shoot out. So, but when you go to the gold medal game, you actually go back to five on five, the golden goal, first goal, the score it's, it's game over. And, um, that's the way that hockey should be played, especially in a moment like this. And, uh, you know, Connor McDavid, they had an ozone should be played, especially in a moment like this.

And you know, Connor McDavid, they had an ozone draw. They made a great play along the wall from Kale McCarr over to Mitch Marner and he fed McDavid for that moment and he didn't miss. So and he was silent the whole game. He did not have a great game. He seemed a little bit nervous. His reads were off and he self admittedly said that in his post-game press conference. But what do big, big players do?

I mean, Tom Brady didn't have a good first half against the Falcons. No, you didn't either. You guys were dog shit. Shit. But you guys went in the locker room, you figured things out, rallied it up. Boom, boom. It's not how you start always how you finish. How you finish baby.

So Canada won the first ever four nations face off, 3-2 in overtime. Nathan McKinnon won MVP in national emergency in Canada, avoided. Yep. Yep. Now what does this game mean for Canada winning the first four nations where this could go?

I mean, is it important for Canada, the inventor of the sport, to win the first one just for the record, because this is gonna go forever. Yeah, based on ridicule and the amount of comments that would have came afterward. God forbid America would have won the first four nations. Yeah, I just think it had more to do with the fact that Canada is, they're not struggling big time right now,

but the economy's in a bit of a dip, our dollar's not doing good. We're changing leadership very soon. And hockey's the one thing that we get to fall back on, and that's our sport. We feel like we're the creators of it. If you look at the long history of it, we've been very dominant,

especially against the United States. And that's the one thing we can hang our hat on. And when you guys came in our building in Canada, in Montreal, the Mecca of hockey, along with Toronto, and you punched us in the face and then won that game and ran us out of the building, we needed a response. So we ended up winning that gold medal game, but really as of right now, it's one-one.

And that's why the table has been set so perfectly for the Olympics. Like this isn't over, this is just the beginning of it's 1-1. And that's why the table has been set so perfectly for the Olympics. Like this isn't over. This is just the beginning of what's about to happen. It's just the beginning. Just the beginning. Let's name this game and let's score this game and let's see where it ranks in our top 100 games

or 100 games that we've fucking done now. We're close to 100 games. Name of the game, the Four Nations final, Oh Canada, suck it. Suck it, Kachuck is kind of a funny ring to it. The McDavid game, the goal in the garden, our game, just the beginning. Or if you have a name that you wanna call this game,

what do you wanna call it? I kept saying who's your daddy saying, who's your daddy? The who's your daddy game? Yeah, we made you our little bitch. All right, put it up. Yeah, who's your daddy? The who's your daddy game. Score the game.

Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Biz, stakes, zero to 10, decimals okay. The stakes of this four nations final game. Oh, I would say 10, 10 out of 10. It was the most talked about hockey game since the 2010 Olympics. And I wanna say that it might have surpassed those numbers.

So 10. You know, I have to agree, this is gonna be a high score for me a 9-2 a 9.2 I mean we haven't this is the most excited I've been about hockey in a long time since watching Mighty Ducks. We had Trump was talking shit calling us the 51st state this meant everything. Geopolitical nature always rise that we did the Miracle on Ice game with Jim Craig and that's always gets it This meant everything. The states were so hot. Geopolitical nature. Geopolitical nature. Always right. So we did the Miracle on Ice game with Jim Craig and that always gets it to that high

10. So what was going on geopolitically then? The Cold War. Okay. So yeah, I'm not a history about it. And I wasn't born yet. So my apologies. Jack at Home had an 8.6.

I had an 8.4. It's still, it's international best on best. It's still a brand new tournament, right? It's still not a gold medal. I think ESPN was pumping its tires a little too much at the end, but it was still awesome. And it was so much better than the All-Star game would have been.

Absolutely. I think that that's what a lot of people had a hard time grasping is. It was like, oh, it's kind of this makeshift fluff event as a precursor to the Olympics. And also, I think people are sick of the All-Star game. But it wasn't so much what it was coming in, it's what it evolved into.

People were texting me on Saturday like, oh my God, people who don't give a shit about hockey. So it was fun. I text all seven of my Canadian friends. I had a friend from Montreal, he was worried, he's like, I don't know, I hope this turns out okay. There's gonna be riots, I don't know, man. By the way, I'm technically half Canadian.

Oh are ya? My mother was born in Chicago. My mom was born in Kitchener, Ontario. No shit, they're Kitchener Rangers. Kitchener Rangers. Yeah, wow. So, star power, zero to 10, decimals okay. There's fucking stars everywhere in this building.

Yeah, I mean I would say, I would say a 9.5 simply because that, you know, McEvoy was our lineup, Quinn Hughes from my, the biggest blessing for hockey would be everybody healthy at the Olympics. Was Gretzky in the building? Gretzky was honorary captain. Honorary captain. Mike Rusione, honorary captain for USA.

That's where my buddy said, Hey, like, Rusione did so much for USA hockey, but you got him against the great one there for Canada. The game was over. We knew we had that one in the bag. The minute that Wayne walked out. I'm going to go with a nine. This is going to be a high, high score. I had a 9.7 just as an homage to Connor McDavid. A nine point. That's the highest score you've ever given. This is best on best. All right. I love that. The only reason it wasn't a perfect 10 is if,

because you know, international Russia's not in the mix. Ooh, gameplay, zero to 10, decimal's okay, the gameplay you gotta score. So the game that there was three fights, it kinda lulled off, but the championship game was incredible. Let's go with, I'll go with a nine, five, two nine five two four three always more scoring is a little bit better but Couple lead changes and over time can't beat it. I'm American. I like to see high scoring

That's why we do that in all of our sports our basketball is 150 to 152 now Our football is 60 to 61. I want my hockey to be at least 1210 So I'm gonna go with the eight What my hockey to be at least 12, 10. Oh, so I'm gonna go with the eight. I want my hockey to be lacrosse. Jack at a 9.1, I had an 8.8. The name of the game, the Who's Your Daddy? No, I actually got a better name. Game.

Who's your daddy? Donald. Donald. Who's your daddy? I'm gonna get deported, but I think it's a hell of a name. It's a hell of a name. Just for anyone out there, ice do not come to Brentwood. I'm sure they're gonna be here anyway.

Yeah. The name of the game, we gotta score the name. Well, now that I threw the Donald on it, I think I'm being petty as shit. Hey, he could talk his shit, we talk our shit, it's just sports, but the name is 10 out of 10. Suck it, Donald. The 11th province

She give it 11 for the being the 11th front. I'm gonna give it. It's pretty funny It's pretty funny You're gonna be living in Kitchener pretty soon if you give it a 10. No, I'm not gonna give it a 10 I'll give it a 10 Is that I'm American? So I'll give it a 7.8. Okay, I'll take it. Jack had a 7.1, I had an 8.7.

What is our score? Final score, 8.89. Jesus. 8.89 just puts it in seventh. Just ahead of the 2004 ALCS game four Yankees versus Red Sox and just behind the snowball game, 2001 AFC. Hockey getting some fucking love.

Let's go. Round of applause. Miracle on Ice is still fourth though. I mean, that's crazy. No one's perfect. This is, we kind of bag that we don't have a lot of hockey in this, but our top 10 has two hockey games. Yeah, that's diversity if I've ever seen it.

Yeah, but look it over here. 58th overall, 2011 Stanley Cup final, game seven Bruins versus Canucks. Not great, between two regular season NFL games. Yeah, that's pretty bad. Yeah, we can fix that. That was a bad game though. Yeah, but see.

It's game seven Stanley Cup final. That's a bad game though. Yeah, but see? It's game seven, still like a final. That's a man of integrity. A man of integrity. He knew the game was bad. And he says it should belong there. It started a riot. It started a riot. Oh yeah, that's right.

God, they burnt the whole fucking city down. Biz, we miss anything about this game? I mean, we covered a bunch. We covered it all, boys. It was a fun game to cover. Yeah, it was. And it was fresh in my memory. I feel like the buzz is still in the air.

That's what I told Pasha. I'm glad we were coming over where this just ended, so everything was top of mind. I always get a little nervous with the hockey guys, because I don't know hockey. Like, I know hockey. But I don't know when you guys are dropping top cheese and fucking this.

I'll be your hockey correspondent from now on. Definitely. I'm going to hit you up all the time now. I was introduced to hockey when I went to Boston. I went to a Sharks game, an expansion game in 1994. No way. And when they first came, they were playing at the Cow Palace in the Bay Area. They didn't have the stadium in San Jose yet. And me and my dad and my brother drove up there looking for the game.

We out lost and we got there after the second period and we're like, cool, we get the second half. Football people, we thought it would be four. We got one period of play. That was the introduction to my hockey in my life. And then I moved to Boston and went to a few. So now where does your loyalty lie with the NHL? I'm a Bruins guy, I like the Bruins.

Okay. 1000%. I'm boys with a lot of those guys. Sean Thornton, Milan Lucic. I just saw him last night. I did too, he was there. Lucic's the man, man. He's the man.

We used to hang out a bunch. I have a lot of relationships there. Boston is a pretty cool pro city town. We're all very intertwined and cross pollinating with the love of the sports. I love going back there. I just feel like it's a great, it's a big city, but it feels like a community.

It's a small big city. Yeah, it's great. That's exactly what it is. Yeah, it's not too overwhelming. No, it isn't. Everyone out there, go check out Spittin' Chicklets. You gotta check out Biz on NHL on TNT, and you gotta get some Pink Whitney.

Yeah, so we had New Amsterdam Vodka as a sponsor for the pod, and they said, hey, explain how you like to drink your vodka. And then Ryan Whitney, my co-host, who's a hilarious guy, he's a genius, and he talked about mixing Newman's own pink lemonade in his vodka.

And he's like, I call it the Pink Whitney. And all of a sudden, all our fans started hashtagging it, sending us pictures of it. And we all, as a group, Barstool, Portnoy, Erica Nardini, and New Amsterdam slash Gallo, we're like, hey, why don't we just launch this? We ended up selling 807, thousand cases in the first year of existence. The rock actually takes, um,

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Go get you a pink Whitney right now, spittin' chicklets. Biz, thanks for coming on, bro. Hey, and honestly, it was an honor coming. Like the minute that- Get outta here. No, no, but the minute I heard that you were inviting me over, I said, let's make it work,'m so I'm so grateful and congratulations on all your success as an athlete and what you've transitioned it into.

I can't wait to finally get to hang out with you now. Now we know each other. Yeah. And also this awesome team that you have going. So good luck with your pod and thanks for having me. I appreciate it man. I'm going to come on your soon. Oh yeah.. We already had Gronk. And then maybe eventually Brady get all the boys. Hit the boys. And we need Brady first. Yeah, that's awesome. Let's go. We'll be right back after this quick break. Welcome to the Criminalia podcast. I'm Maria Tremarchi.

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Man, hockey guys, hockey guys. Hockey guys are all cool. Business cool. Yeah. You could just tell. Blue collar. Fun to be around. So personal too, like just met everyone, like took everyone's hand. Yeah.

That's how hockey guys are. The Zamboni guy. They, oh, you know, gym on the Zamboni. Fucking the skate people. They're all, they're just, they're just the boys, you know, they're the good, they're just the boys. I don't know why that's that's one of the that's like a hockey term.

The what's the boys, the boys, the boys. Yeah, the boys, the boys. What's the boys doing? Also, same reading level as you. Yeah. Did he? Nice. I like that. I like that. That's why I liked him so much. Yeah.

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From what when we went to the last night, we went to L.A. skate, baby, skate for L.A. strong skate for L.A. strong is a big celebrity skating event for the L.A. fires took place at Crypto Dotcom Center Arena. Staples Staples notes, crypto, right? Crypto. Yeah, it was fun. It center arena. Staples? Staples. No, it's crypto, right? Crypto? Yeah.

It was fun. It was fun. Four teams, you brought Lily, we went. The amount of legends that we met that you had no idea who they were was awesome. I was like a pig in shit down there. Explain your experience, how'd you have a good time? I had a great time.

I mean, this was like, I had a great time. I mean, this was like. This is like my first maybe kind of charitable event in L.A. as someone who's part of this community now. And. Now, this fire was like my first go around at this whole thing. And we just moved here full time, you know, two years ago. And we were really this was devastated. That was a devastating time.

Like that fire was crazy. It felt you felt helpless. And and. I'll keep reiterating, I was so. So. Proud of the people here. How they've been able to respond. Like I've been watching from kind of like an outsider watching in who's been in these kinds of situations. I was in Boston for the bombing.

I saw a community come together and fucking battle, strength, strong, you know, we're gonna get better from this thing. I saw that in Boston with that. And I've seen the same thing here in LA. I've seen so many people give their time, you know, the date, like three days after that fire, you know, I was getting a bunch of, I was going around and checking it out

on my little e-bike and stuff. And to see the line of cars on San Vicente of people in the community who just lost their homes, people giving food, clothes to these people, helping out the firefighters, the first responders, the you know, the firefighters that are going in this thing looking like hell. It looked like hell in a lot of those spots to the National Guard and the and the cops that were keeping things in order.

There was fucking like full looting going on because people were gone. So like, it was a fucking crazy time in LA. And to go to that Skate for LA strong event to raise money for this by someone who's in this community now, it was really cool. And I got to bring Lily, you know, they're raising a lot of money for people that lost their homes,

lost a lot like everything, you know, and it wasn't just rich people. You know, it was people of all responders. Yeah, you know what I mean? That's what a lot of these narratives are. When you see it across the country, oh, L.A., just these movie stars. Now, there's like some regular people who lost their homes. There's a lot of homes lost. Yep.

And this was a cool event that, you know, the kings put on. At the Cryptocurrency Center. In a short amount of time, that had a really cool turnout, got to see Will Ferrell. Yeah, it was so fun with Will Ferrell. Huh? Lily was so fun with Will Ferrell. She. Will was so fun with Will Ferrell. Huh? Lily was so fun with Will Ferrell. She was like in awe. You know in Elf when you're like,

when he points to Santa, Santa, I know him! I was like, Lily, like now you can point that to Elf when you watch him. Elf, I know him! Exactly. Will was awesome. We had a dinner before once at Wahlberg's house

after the 14 Super Bowl, because he's a Seattle Seahawks fan, I think. I don't know his, is he a Seattle fan? I know he's a big USC guy and he's from LA. Yeah, he's a USC guy. I think he's a Seattle Seahawks fan. But like we've met before and it was cool to kinda, I haven't seen him in a long time.

Looks great. Yeah. And then Unc, Uncle Snoop, Lily, the whole ride there, cause I told her that Snoop might be there, and I tell her that I gotta get dad points. And Snoop made me look like the coolest dad ever. Is he? He's friends with Pete Carroll from USC.

Yeah, Pete Carroll. Yeah, yeah, OK. So there was some. Yeah. But Uncle Snoop, Lily, you know, we were listening to Snoop, Clean Mix, Snoop, Clean Mix, Clean Mix. Before the game on the way there, because that's her favorite rapper, her, him and Eminem. Nice. Yeah, I don't know where I like. I don't even put this on in front of her.

She like it's when she's in. It's the kids. That's cool. But she's at that age where she's like knows rappers. And so Snoop was just so charming to her, like like he is and and freaking asked her if he could have a hug. And she hugged them and and said, can we have a picture? And just he's a he could have a hug and she hugged him and and Said can we have a picture and just he's a he's just a cool, dude La la and it was just a fun. It was a fun met countless

Also, I got to see Stoli and Erin. Yep They're really you know, that's the real reason I went they asked me to come Erin Andrews and and her husband stoles and I mean, there was a lot of people there. Lily got to high five through the glass with Bieber. She was all happy. Well, she got a puck too. She got a puck from. Derek Armstrong, shout out.

Armstrong, shout out, my guy. It was cool seeing the old dudes. I loved seeing, because they could still move Yeah, Messier looks so good out there He did he looks like how old is he? He's gonna be 60. He's not 60. He might be he might be What a freak. Yeah, but like even I was really impressed with some of the actors 64 yeah, Taylor Taylor Kitsch. He was great. Kitsch was really good. I'll stay home defenseman. He was good out there. No Kitsch he was great. Kitsch was really good. Steve Carell, stay at home defenseman he was good out there. No Kitsch I've been watching him on that American Primeval. Great show. Did you text Peter Berg yet? Yeah I texted him. Okay thank you. I did. But it was really cool to see I like I didn't know he was

playing in this and I didn't really know his name. Yeah. But then I was like wait a minute is that Primeval dude? Oh, he's sweet. Look at him. He was good. He might have been the best actor, celebrity, although there was that Noah Lalonde guy, who I don't really know who he was. Yeah, he was a little blonde dude.

Yeah, he had some silky mints. And then the social media kid. Josh Richards. Josh. Yeah, he was OK. He looked pretty good. Yeah, he was good. He was out there.

We went to a family skate. I saw him flying around. Is he Canadian or something? I think he is Yeah, all the you that's how you that's how you know Taylor Kitsch is Canadian, too Yeah, you could tell you could tell by how you could just tell yeah If it because we did the family skate before we were skating and Lily was skating. I was fun skates next time We'll bring our own skates gotta bring on yeah Yeah, but how how cool is it to see the,

cause there was a lot of pro players in their families. You see all the little young bucks, their little eight year olds are flying in between people doing crazy shit. There's a girl that can barely walk, I think, who's the captain? Anzi Kopitar. Kopitar's little daughter.

She's like barely walking, and then she hops up on the skates and she's just fucking flying She's she had to been to yeah, maybe three. Yeah, do you know from those kids are out there, too? I mean it was it was that was just it was really cool to see that I like you just enjoy hockey It's a it feels fun Family now that liner was out there in the sky It's a, it feels fun. It was family-y. Now, Matt Leiner was out there in the skate.

Leiner was out there! He actually played. Did that get the competitive juices going at that? I kinda thought about it. I saw the way he was skating. I was like, maybe I could go out. If he's out there, I think I could go out there. Next time.

I might have to. I'm gonna start training with fucking Biz Nasty over here and fucking, I'll call him Sean Thornton. Milan's right down the street in Manhattan Beach. I saw him there. It was great to see him. Yeah. His daughter is so damn big. It's so crazy because, you know, we haven't seen a lot of the people from Boston. We haven't seen each other in four years, five years, six,

you know, seven, eight years. And I remember seeing the kids when they're peanuts. And then all of a sudden, know they're 12 13 14 20 fucking crazy that's you know we still have that Boston connection anywhere we go there all the Boston guys you know I mean yeah I love that and we talked to Kevin Biaxa too who for you deep cut games with names heads when we had Zedeno Char on this show and he told the story about how he saw the Canucks lifting the cup like as practice.

And BX went on like national Canadian television like that's bullshit. He was talking to you about that a little bit. He was cool. Yeah, I didn't really know see I felt bad. I don't know the hockey guys that well always. We're also with Ron McLean and Ron McLean is like an absolute fucking legend. Yeah. Yeah. There was just and they're always just really cool guys. Yeah. That are just like, you know, they're like here. They're they're they're all here. With the demeanor. Yeah. Demeanor and like make you feel comfortable vibe by busting your balls or something. You know, they're just hockey dudes got it.

Ron McLean, who talked about the broadcasting legend, same exact age as Mark Messier. They're both 64. Beiber was good too. He could skate. He was good. And you met like Luke Robitaille. He's a legend. Marty McSorley. Yeah, McSorley. Took a picture with the cup. Took a picture with the cup of Lil. Been with the cup before. Yeah. First time with Lil. Yeah, good. He didn't touch it just in case.

He did not touch it. Did not touch that cup. We don't we respect. We don't make them, but we enforce them. That was awesome. Thanks to the L.A. Kings for doing that for the community.

Yeah, that was awesome. I hopefully they got a great turnout. It was awesome seeing all the cops, the firefighters. Oh, yeah. Shout out to the Mullins. They won. They won. They won.

They were fucking good too. These little, just, they're two Southie boys. And they're like high ups in the fire department out here. And they're just fucking wrecking shop on the ice. It was fucking awesome. It was cool. Like, there was a good ass, I think there was a cop goalie that was really good.

Was he the red goalie? Who was the red goalie? The red goalie, I don't think led up a goal the whole tournament. I don't know who that was, but he was money. Yeah, it was fun. There was I saw one. I think it was a cop. He had a full Fu Manchu. He looked so cool out there. And then the one.

Those off like weird mustache people are often firefighters because that's the only facial hair they can have for their masks. My only regret from this evening was we didn't get to see our Gaines with names friend of the show, Danny DeVito. I know. Didn't get to see Vince Vaughn either. That would've been cool.

Love Vince Vaughn. Well, when you play next time, he'll be in there. He's funny with sport talk. He'd be great on the show. I think he would be an unbelievable guest. Just on watching him in the breakup talk about the little digital people in the Madden game when he's beating the shit out of some 12 year old while his girl's getting mad. Jennifer getting all mad at him. He's over here talking shit.

He's like prime shit talker to this little 12 year old kid. He's beating the shit out of Madden. I love his fun. He's over here talking shit. He's like prime shit talker to this little 12 year old kid. He's beating the shit out of Matt and I love his fun. He's the best. Well, that was the Chill Zone. Thanks to our favorite beer Coors Light. Get you some Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com slash GWN. Celebrate responsibly guys

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