Games with Names - The 54 Point Game with Gilbert Arenas

Episode Date: November 4, 2025

Gilbert Arenas is in studio! The NBA legend is with us to talk about the current state of the NBA, being in the zone, and of course the time he dropped 54 points on the Phoenix Suns during one of the greatest scoring runs in league history.  (00:00:00) We kick off the show. (2:14) Gil joins us on the couch. (34:23) We go back to December 2006. (47:29) We dive into these rosters. (1:12:29) We get into the game. (1:29:10) We score the game. (1:40:01) We draft the Top 5 nicknames in sports history in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Now you don't realize that's the mob. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, they're Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering the 54-point game between the Sons and the Wizards from the 2006 NBA season with NBA vet, Arizona Wildcat legend, and a man that has absolutely no chill, Gilbert Arenas. And we're talking, the current state of the NBA, yikes. The players you have to worry about is if they can make an extra 200,000 doing something dumb, then try it. What it's like to be in The Zone?

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Let's go. Games with Names of Names of My Heart Radio. December 22nd, 2006, U.S. Airways Center, Phoenix Airways Center, Phoenix Airways. Arizona. Fresh off a 60 piece and a 30 piece. Agent Zero is back in the desert looking for revenge. This is a 54 point game. I was trying to master tone. That was good energy. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the 54-point game, Wizards versus the Sons in 2006 with Gilbert Arenas.

Gilbert, what do I call you, Gil, Gilly, Gilly? All of that works. Gilly. In one sentence, why this game? Revenge. This was a revenge game for me. Maybe the best answer for that question, history of the show. The history of the show.

Revenge. Is this the greatest game of all time? For me, yes. For you, yes. What's the greatest game of all time? Not for you. If I wanted to childhood, it would be Kobe's last game. Kobe's last game.

How he finished. As a basketball fan, like, loving just endings, Jordan's last Chicago game. Utah. Yeah. Like Utah, this is it. right the shots like it just it was the perfect story for him yeah like if you're going to be the goat that's that you can't write it up any other way so he's the goat yeah not lebron no i mean i

got beat up too much for um when i was little for my shoes got jacked a bunch so it has to be him it has to like i took too much pain for it can you jack for your zoom soldiers no one beating anyone up for lebron shoes no no no you can get his online back then you had to go to the store you had to go to the store and wait people don't realize that was like a real commodity jordan's were commodities back then bro still are yeah people don't realize that it it changed the shoe drop so shoes is a drop on a tuesday when the store opened well Tuesday is what nutrition for middle school high school were ditching yeah to go get the new jays so you got a bunch of kids getting robbed

Yeah You know We call them We call them the true Trugent Jordans Yeah And you're truant

Truant, yeah Truant Truant Not a word guy Truant Football guy Not a word guy So what are you doing

These days right now? Podcasting What's your podcast? Got Gills Arena Got Gilz Arena Battle mode Right And just launched

The football show Gridiron One of your guys With Talib Yeah And Skip, right? Skip. Incognito.

Yeah, we got a nice little group. That's a, I love Richie too. Yeah, Richie's crazy. We got a Jay Gruton. Jay? You got a Gruden, too? Yeah, we got a Gruden too, yeah. It's like the Avengers.

I like this. This is an Avengers. You know, it's all about, you know, it's all about getting that great cast that can just bounce off each other. Who's your favorite on the cast? You click up with the most. For football, Akib. basketball, probably Nick Young, because we, you know, we play together.

Who's, who, who's like your least favorite, or someone that you like to combat? I don't have a, I don't have a least favorite, but the combator would be on the basketball, or it'd be Rashad. Rashad. Right, he's the guy that no matter what you say, he's going to be opposite. No matter how wrong, he won. Football, we haven't figured that out yet. Still figuring.

But, obviously, it would probably be Skip, because Skip is, he's going to stand on his business. Him and his cowboys. He loves the cowboys. He loves them. He loves them. And he used to love Tom Brady until he became an owner. Now he's going against him. Yeah.

Which is weird, right? Yeah. Yeah, it's crazy. Because I asked him, he wants Tom Brady to be the Tom Brady he fell in love with. He don't like this corporate Tom. He wants that. Your brain is so brilliant. Say it.

Don't conform to them. And that's what he don't like. he don't like to be in conform to just be regular you're not regular you're Tom right he's not going to like Jordan either he's a Jordan fan but how he sees Jordan right here he's not going to like that

like what is this this is not the guys you're never supposed to meet your heroes yeah that's what they say unless it's Guy Fietti unless this guy Fietti you won't be disappointed I mean God now what's the best informant lunch you've ever had

reality i've never had one oh no that doesn't i've never actually had one okay so which is it's so weird man that someone who's gonna snitch they don't tell you you're gonna snitch they just do it like i'm saying it because i get to troll like i just like troll it but i didn't think people were gonna take it serious i was just like it's like you know the six i got the jersey the six man which he was a ghost yeah doing things behind the scene And then I got the lunch. So as you can see, it's all scripted. Was that the way in his brothers?

Yes. Yes, I love that movie back in the day. Yep. The brother dies and he comes back and helps him all right? Yeah, see, you know what I mean? Now, I mean, how crazy is this whole basketball thing? People don't know, like, this started two years ago. Yeah.

With, you know, two NBA players. One had a bookie. And... I just don't understand the logic of some of the things someone does. You know, you average four, five, six, and you're going to bet against yourself doing worse. Why? Like, if the line is this, give me 20, I can ball hog. I can do that.

But they're going in, get hurt. But the problem is this, no one's, no one's checking for you guys. Yeah. Right? No one's going to Vegas and say, let me put some money on that guy. Right, it's always the stars or, so, you know, you see something that happened and it's like 50 grand of bets on this person, that's a red flag all the time. So you get red flagged and then one decides, I'm scared for my life, he tells on his bookie, the rest of the bookie. Now, what does a bookie have? He got a bunch of books with a bunch of names.

Yeah. And that's what's coming out. The names. Now, do the NBA, because in the NFL, when we're rookies, we have the rookie symposium. Every week after, like, once a week, all the rookies always have to meet and do, like, a rookie class at the end of the day. And they would inform us about money, girls, budgeting, gambling. We used to have a guy, Mike Francisa, he was in that actual Goodfellas. He's one of the characters was based off of him. And he would come talk to our team every year. Like, look, fellas, this is what they do.

This is how they, do they do that in the NBA? No. They don't, they don't educate these kids. No. And even if they did, you're talking about a bunch of kids at 18, 19, and 20, and everything you just said to them sounds exciting. Yeah. The girls, the, yes, give it to more.

I know, like, 1,000 percent. But you got to talk to them about it. I know, but you got to talk to them about it. But it's like, yeah, like, they're bringing, the, the, problem is like they're smart on bringing the gambler. Here you have to bring a superstar that has about 50 kids that he can show, look, look at my life. Does it look like I'm happy? All the child support out and paid like, here's my, here's my debt. Ha! Right? I made 200 million. I have a bank account of 40,000. There you go. You don't want to be me. We will look at it like,

yeah. See, the NFL does that. What they do? They do that at that symposium. They'd have guys like Chris Carter that would come up and talk about, you know, the problems he had off the field, you know, getting a fall guy, like getting a fall guy. That was Chris Carter's a guy. You told us to get a fall guy. Wise, wise. But like, I think that's like, I specifically remember talking about with our team, the dangers of sports gambling. Now, everyone that's trying to jump on the whole, this is happening because gambling's in sport. This has been happening. there was a freaking they would they fix the the world series back in like 1832 and then they've had the points in this and in college this shit happens all the time but like i it's just

i don't know the problem the problem what it is is one you do not know who's who right so what ends up happening is you get compromised like you know most athletes you know they they gamble They're competitive, right? So if they're playing poker or do this, they don't want to lose. Yeah. So sometimes, usually, when I hear numbers like they lost $200,000, $500,000 a million, I just assumed 95% they got cheated. So anytime I ever played at a home game, I'm looking at who's working together.

That's, I don't, I'm not looking at. I'm just, look, who's playing? Who's not playing home? You playing home games? I started, I played when I first started. That's all I knew, home games. And then I'm sitting there looking like, yeah, so what do you do for a living?

What do you do? Like, you guys are betting money, like, that's, that you are Jeff Bezos. Yeah. Like, it doesn't, like, blah, I'm not even going to look at my car. It's 10 grand. This doesn't make sense. You don't, you don't, you don't look rich. Like, you know what I mean?

It just does, there's nothing. But they're playing, like, they, so I'm like, who, who, like, who's backing you, who's this? So once I start peeping that out. I was like, I'll just go to the casino. Yeah. And then, so what happens is you get compromised because you lost, you got cheated, and then that person who got you says, look, you don't have the paid look.

Just let me throw some games in your name. You bring some people here. You invite them. You know, you bring somebody they lose. I give you 50, man. That happens. Now you don't realize that's the mom. That's the mom.

And now you are hooked because they got you. They got everything. that's how it always starts. Man. It's not like I just volunteer. Hey, can I work with you? Like, I just want you to ruin my life. Yeah.

I want an extra 20,000. Like, no, they get compromised losing and then they do that. I don't even worry about it. Just do this. And a couple of these here and there. And we'll pay you. It sounds like a great idea and not realizing. Yeah.

I think this is bad on the NBA. I think that if you're telling me that they don't educate these fucking young kids, which especially in your sport or even younger than We're 22, the lowest you could be in the NFL is 20 years old. There's guys that are like 17, 18, 19 in this league and you're not helping these young kids. That's shame on the NBA. Those are the ones you don't have to worry about. You have to always worry about, you don't have to worry about the superstar, right?

It's a superstar. I'm averaging 30. You're not going to convince me to go in a game for three minutes. Like, yeah, right. Right. One, I'm averaging 30. I need to get the 35 to catch him. I'm not going to do that. So you don't have to worry about those players. The players you have to worry about is who get enough time anywhere from five to 12 minutes. Where they don't care about, you know, their little four or five points. Right. So if they can make an extra 200,000 doing something dumb, they'll try it. yeah they're like middle class that's like reached their ceiling but like not yeah middle class yeah you know like it's not it's like the john the porter's the more the middle class right it's enough to you're going to get subbed in to get like it's those guys yeah right that that's us that the guys that

you you're you know there's no books that actually got their name so that means they need a bookie so that bookie can give them a line yeah all right well no one's put out the john tape yeah yeah yeah like porter last year like porter last year like porter last year on Toronto. Same thing. Like who's who's who's who's checking for you in Vegas bro? Nobody's gonna put fucking 50,000 on you in total best.

Is there like a way to like combat that from like the gambling side like don't put you can't hit the under on those like middle class like type of people like it's only hit the over that's what I'm saying so they don't have really lines for these guys right? You don't have you don't really have a line. There's no line for Brony James to get in or get out. Right there's there's just not.

So, you know, when that happens, it's flagged. Yeah. It's, it's, trust me, it's flagged, right? So they see it in real time because it's coming in. It's coming in in real time. Like, so you start seeing like, wait, wait, 10 million, 20 million. What's going on here? Hold on.

And then, like, if it, because so they're going to look at the game when it happens, they're going to be like, yeah, it's, it's, it's voided out. You really hope that the leagues learn from this? because I don't think this is from the gambling. This ain't the gambling world. This is on the leagues having to prepare these young guys and fucking giving them the information and putting the, like, they're going to make an example out of this

and it should scare everyone straight because you can't be having that. It's, it's, especially these guys are making, now these kids are going to be making money since they were 15 years old. NIL. Yeah, you know, the funny thing is it's, it's, it's the whole, like I don't want to say Trump but it's the idea of

getting corruption out of America right now you're talking about the mob right so when's the last time we talk about them I thought they were gone me too bro and that's the thing like you're talking about

I just had a conversation with like I was like man it's so hard to be like literally like three months ago I was like you think about it I was watching like good fellows or something I was like you gotta be too you can't even be a criminal now it's too hard to be a criminal and then this happens they're still around and you're sitting like who who who who what's what what what because they don't have any jobs right they can't get so

this is this is how it is so you're using you're using sports and you know so yeah get them out clean it up and that's so if I got to use you famous people's to push this narrative yeah everybody starts fleeing now there we go man yeah hopefully that's what's said this this is all mob but all you see is sports athletes yes yeah so the biggest names you've heard is probably the ones that they came out that's the biggest ones you're caught yeah i i don't splash his headline yeah you're just a splash his headline other than that they'll probably drop a name here and there to say he was there he was watching they'll do that but i don't see any other there'd be some college names that come through from these these books but they did exactly

what they needed to do. Yeah. The one thing out of this is that I think they should put Pete Rose in the Hall of Fame for baseball. Just like all this gambling shit that's going out, all this stuff. Like he only bet for his team. He did his time. He bet to win.

Pete Rose. Wait. That's illegal? Yeah. I mean, in the sense of I'm trying to win. I thought the idea was. The mentality is still competitive sports. I thought the idea was don't compromise the game.

Right. Yeah, but Pete Rose is the primary example why there shouldn't be shit going on right now. now. Of course. They literally, he was like the best baseball player when he retired and he was no, they kicked him out until he's still not in. He didn't need, now he's dead. And he's dead. Man. No, it is very hypocritical. It's insane. Yeah, I'm like, yo, I want to go score 50. That's I'm trying to win a game. I'm trying to go and defeat it. Like, yeah, it's a great thing to like. Yeah. I believe in us. Yeah. Are you, are you, are you tapped in in other sports because of the, your show? I'm tapping into football

a lot more. Yeah. Have you always been in football? Or you... It's just, I just players here and there. And I can tell you that it's, it's like golf talk. Like Jared Goff talk? Just golf. Like, no, no, just golf. Like, it's a higher... It's a higher level of thinking and a conversation. Right? This is not just, you know, talk basketball

and you'd be like, oh, yeah, you can just look at percentages. When you're talking football, you, I actually... actually have to know what you're talking about and you have to study because you have offensive conversations you have the quarterback you have the old line and you have the defense and you have the receivers it's just it's just so many different perspectives that if you're just thinking you're about to go in there and say something then this this this this defense side of comes in you like oh oh that's not in a rundown where did you get that from right so it's like I see how, like, ESPN and first take and all of them get by

because you only allow them to talk for 30 seconds. Yeah. Good for you. Good for you. They start talking for 15, 20 minutes? Yeah, you and your producer are done. Donezo. You're done.

No, the strategy on football is so crazy. It's crazy to hear that coming from a basketball guy because, you know, you could sit, I don't know basketball, but you sit and watch, there's only five guys on five guys. There's probably like seven plays that you can really run. And it's just breaking down, like you said, percentages. When you, and it's a flowing game. So, you know what I mean? With football, it stops start every time.

And every time it stops start, it's a different situation that's coached differently on both sides of the ball, which it's fucking sucks to have to, like, break down football. It was like, my first and 10 played. And you got, if it's two and nine, this we're going to do. If it's two and three, we're going to do this. And who has to remember all of it? What? It's crazy, bro. Like, it's just like this so much.

information going on in real time and it's like okay i don't people don't you got to be smart to play football yes it's it's not you can't just and that's where a lot of the guys that are really good athletes they don't cut out because of the mental side of the game you know is it like that in basketball at all early 2000 i can't talk about the 90s style but early 2000s if you wasn't smart and understood just basic basketball, no matter how gifted you were, you couldn't get on the court, right? Do you, like, think about playing,

was it Chris Weber, Vlady DeVox, Paysia, you have Mike Baby. That is a smart, intelligent group, right? Backdoor Reed, okay, he's pushing up, back door, he has a little limp, let's keep attacking that side, right? You had those type of people, like the Jason kids, it's all sitting here thinking to Kobe Bryant. Like, you know what I mean?

Like, he'll come to you, you waste a file, stop a break, and he'll look at you like, yeah, that was a dumb foul, right? You got to guard me, right? Yeah, you need all six of those, and you just wasted one on that. Now you're thinking like, oh, shit, I just wasted a foul on that, and I got to guard him. Like, you know, now it's a think he's man game. Today's game, make it simple, five out, pass, and cut.

You don't have to remember any plays, let alone draw, play on this side, and then the coach is like, oh, shit, the ball's on that side, Just flip it. And it's gonna flip it. Flip. Like you can literally lose at least 85% 85% of the players

if you draw a play up in the timeout and then just flip the play. Just say, hey, hey, flip it. 85% it'd be like, wait wait what the fuck do I like just the comprehension level you know what that I would say some of the guys in the league if you just said flip it and you didn't install it it could be

a tongue twister it's like okay on this side I go here here I go to that side I go here here they're like oh do I go here and out of bounds like oh just no just how about wemby though is he going to be like is he the next one yeah as long as he is he the next one as long as he can healthy he is the next one like all the attributes are there um the gift the skills the iq obviously the advantage of the height the shot like he was bred to be doing what he's doing and got good attitude and he's a great he has a great attitude like he's a humble person he's french you know right you know so they're not really humble though right the french the french are super arrogant aren't they I know, right?

That's the old Frisch. The new French, the Tony Parker. Nice guys. Come as soon as well. Right. So, as long as he stays healthy, he is going to be defensive player to year, MVP. He probably should be the only person to do the quadruple double. The quadruple double.

10 blocks, 10, like, he assists, rebounds, and scoring. He goes quad-dub on fools? He will be the next person to do it I think David Robinson did it in the 80s maybe Akeem Elijah one Alvin Robertson So was Akeem or David the last one? So the last one I believe was David Robinson in 1994

Okay Okay so yeah he'd be the... Now When's the last time we've had An American MVP? It's been like eight years? Technically, like technically we could say last year with Shea

yeah he's from Canada that's just like the that's the American hat they're American yeah right there you know they're North American who's our next guy Joel and B baby in B's it no like he's he plays the team USA

baby no true but like Shay she was trained here that's true he was trained here growing up same thing with Steve Nash the two guards were actually trained in America growing up so okay I get I mean, if this is Chappelle, and we're trading M&M for... Yeah, yeah, yeah.

The draft. We're a draft here. Come on, man. Canada's... Canada's in? We're going to bring a man. Yeah, we're going to bring a man. Yeah.

We'll take that in. Who's the next U.S. MVP? Who's the next one? Is it flag? Who else is on the radar? Is it Anthony? Give it to J.T. Ben.

Anthony. Anthony, Anthony Edwards is the closest thing we have that she. young enough that has that game to do it. I mean, you had J.T. until he got hurt. Wild card as John Morant, the style, the play. Yeah, but they're not even in the, like, really? Like, they're not even in the combo right now yet. And I'm not a basketball enthusiast.

I'm not, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm, Pachero. Paulo Benchero? Paulo is the, probably the only one who, who, like, what are all the kids in, and, and Chicago, New York, in Cali, wherever the best ballers come from. What are we doing right now? We ain't got nobody? No, no, no, no.

We're still dominant over. Is AIU killing it? No, no, no. We're still dominant over the field, right? We are. Now, it's always been there, but no one really paid attention. If you go back to like the 80s and stuff, the European big men. They were always skilled.

They were always skilled, right? He's talking about Tudic coach of Vladi. You're talking about Sabonis. Sabonis. Right? So what they had was guard-like skills. Right? So it was a bonus.

He was a great passer. He can dribble, but by the time we got him, he was old. We got old man, Simone. Right? So you're talking about Tony Koo-coach, right? You're talking about what did Vladi do? Vladi had vision. So every big that came in here kind of stood above everybody else.

They just adapted. more. So when you look at all the Europeans that's dominating here, they're all bigs. Right? Lucas Lucas six, nine and a half, six, 10, right? He's a small Ford but they put him at the guard, big

advantage, right? Other than that, you Yonnas, Yolkich, right? And Bede, right? Rudy Goldberg, like everyone Eschia, he's yeah, but he's Canada. He's a Canadian. But think about it. The two

MVP's that were guards, that's not from here. They're both Canadian. That trained and trained here, right? It's not like the foreigner, which the only one will be MVP would be Luca. Right. So what happens over there is at that youth age, everyone's guards. So everyone do everything. So all my big. So we're not going to say, okay, you're bigger than everybody else. You're going to play center for us. They don't believe in that. That's what we do. That's the problem with us. is our Cooper flags and our, who we would have, like our, who else is tall here? So our Cooper flags are, even like Apollo Ben Chiro, like AD, once they get to a certain height

in developmental age, that team, it says, no, you're going to be a big, right? Yeah. Versus, we're all 7, 8, 9, we're all guards. We got to get the ball of the court. And that's what they do. They're, they just train everybody, make sure you have skill, dribbling, pass, and everything.

So if you do go up to a big, you are yokage. You're not just these brute guys, you're yokage, you have skill you have. So basically you're telling me we're never having an MVP again. We will. Too much specialization too early?

It's not even special. It's because we care about money and we want to win, if we have an advantage, right? So if we're eight years old and we have a kid that is already bigger or stronger everybody you're automatically the center

even if your parents are both six foot or like 511 parents now you got a now you got a center that's going to all be a 510 when he grows up that's what usually happens same thing now versus in the future I think about somebody like

so who's a couple right now Bam and Asia right oh I forgot about that they have a kid at eight or nine years old how tall will that kid be probably about 5-11 He's going to be big.

So now that kid on any AAU team is automatic center. Your center, you can get all the rebounds. You can do all that. And that becomes a problem. What about reverse engineering? They don't do it. Well, he becomes the center. He gets physical.

And then once he, then we teach him how to, you know, dribble. Then he's like, LeBron. Then he's like LeBron. But it's too late. Where's our next LeBron? It's one of one. It's so ingrained in all American sports culture. It's like, you're the fat kid.

you're the catcher in baseball yeah like you know what i was a great catch but i'm just saying like it's just how it's it's just what we do you could be like that was a great tackle too i'm just saying it too look at the movies bro and when they see something that just is a game shifter if you don't have an eye for it it it just you don't capitalize on shifting the game right and then there's always these talents that come in that are so different and they try to put them in a box So, like, I guess right now they'll say, what, Travis Hunter? Yeah, yeah. Right?

They don't know what to do with them, so they're like, just pick one. Which will be receiver or, no, just let it go. Let's see what it is, right? There's a game that's out there that you say, hey, play every snap. We got to see what you're capable of. We're telling you you can't do it. we don't know what you can do give me every snap

let's see if you can do it or not let's just go right and they're going to say well he has to learn the plays here and here hey it's just like your quarterback gets hurt and you got to put somebody else in figure it out

just go out there and figure it out and that's what it's because football is so technical you don't want to just just go out there and just wing it. Right?

Basketball. You can't wing it with a third overall pick in football. There's a game out there. If it's the last game, y'all not make it to the playoffs and you just say,

hey, go, do you? They see how Superman you are. I got to see your capabilities. You can't do that in football. There's too much, like you said,

there's too much preparation for the strategy. Even on a game, like you, just one person. With one person, you could say, hey,

all right, you're going to take this guy the whole game. Yeah. And if you bastardize all the other rules, or you could put in a package where, you know, on third down, you're going to have this, you know, you're going to have this guy. And then in the red area on third down on offense,

you're going to have these five plays. I mean, that's, but that's how you have to do it. He can't just go like, let's just put him in an offense right now because he doesn't know the play for what, you know what I mean? There's just so much stuff you have to prepare for. And he's learned, like, you got to be able to digest the installation for offense and defense. I did it.

I play both ways in the AFC championship. Like, it's tough. You can't just, unless you're a dude, like you're saying, where you just say, hey, you stick on him all game. And then. Get open. Get open on offense. Stop him on defense.

Like, sometimes you just need to do. Come on, Gilly. Like in the NBA, have you ever noticed, Austin Reeves? No LeBron, no Luca. Just go. Fifty, one. that's but you know what I mean forget the playbook just go out there

and just play let me let me see what you're getting because sometimes you know what they I think they say that to Spencer Rattler with the Saints too just go just go just go we don't need to have a playbook or anything just go see how that worked that what is dude get his head taking off

like what is football you know what happens and I just what boggles me in football is this you have this masterful chess game right and then it's like three to six whole game

and then two minutes left oh yeah four touchdowns like come on the wheels fall off like where's the rest of the game that's what you're supposed to be doing it's like because two minutes left you're not thinking as much or guys are tired so guys or things become open so it's harder to stop the run for a whole game

like the whole game this guy has to two gap and he can't mess up one time and he's done it for three quarters where he read it right. And that one time he doesn't say Kuan goes for 60. You know, it's in, or in, you know, the defensive line. At the end of the game, these jokers get tired. So then the quarterback gets some time to throw, and then he could pick apart and go downfield.

The DB maybe got a little tired, you know, bit on, like, that's why football, that's why at the back end of the games, the better team that's better in shape always comes out and wins. Meanwhile, I'm jumping for joy because I had the over, and I thought my boogie's going to come kill me because we got nine points. And now I'm coming to rejoined.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, I was going to say they get the buzz from the league office. Ratings are going down. Either way, I'm happy, baby. Whatever you got to do, Raj. Give me those points. We'll be right back after this quick break. Malcolm Gladwell here.

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Let's go back into time where the game took place. This game took place December 22nd, 2006. And let's see what some of the pop culture was. We did have you on and we did talk this year, but I don't really remember as much as I do now. Irreplaceable by Beyonce was number one. Great song.

Night at the museum. Number one movie in the box office. Love that one. Ben Stiller. Ben Stiller with Lula. the exhibits that came to life. Didn't they have a franchise of that? Yeah, there were a lot of them.

Night to Museum, two. Two? Yeah, the second one. I never saw that one. Is there a museum you'd want to go to overnight? Are you a museum guy? No. They caught the Louvre people.

Do you see that? They caught them? They caught them. I didn't see that. They made two arrests. The two guys... Did they find the stuff? I don't know if they found the jewelry, but you heard about this, right?

You know the Louve? In Paris. Someone went in like a week ago, and stole Caesar's... No, Napoleon's... Family's jewelry, something, and his crown, got away Scott Free. Jokers were trying to leave from Paris International Airport

like yesterday and got them. And they did it broad daylight. Broad daylight. The museum was open. They like took like a sizzling list and ran through smashed and grabbed the bunch of stuff. Immaculate heist. Yeah.

Like Robert De Niro. Just smashing. Well, I think they had some... No. The Louvre also, I found out, doesn't have as much security cameras as you would hope. Like, not every room has cameras in it. So I was literally just in there a couple months ago. That, like, main room is, like, the, like, the fancy, like, it's where, like, Napoleon's stuff and the jewels and all this shit.

And they, like, picked two things, smashed it open, grabbed it, went out the scissors list and dipped. People were, like, public. And they just got them. People were, like, some people saw it, I think. Like, it was not just, like, in the middle of the night. It was just 9 a.m. That's good. It was a symbol just.

Go in there smash and grab. No, they had intel, but I think once they were in, they smashed and got it. And they knew when the cameras were off and certain, like this was, this was a pretty good heist. My problem is this, when you, okay, you grab it. That's embarrassing for the place, though. What are you going to do? It's 2025 and we got fucking. There was speculation that because like the historical component of what they stole was more valuable than the actual, like, raw materials, that they were speculating it was like a private buyer who gave them a ton of money.

and just wanted them themselves as opposed to take it out rip out the jewels melt down the gold and sell it that way okay yeah we should do a movie where a night the hall of fame and you like spend the night in the hall of fame and the NFL wakes up and you got to like fight dick buckus or do it in basketball springfield ohio yeah I went to that is there a porn hall of fame was that porn porn is I'm sure there is I mean I'm pretty sure like I'd rather I'd rather be there than, you know, fighting football players. Oh, shit, Ron Jeremy, get out of here, bro. Just to be honest.

I like that. Gil, take me with you, bro. Pause. Oh, my God. You a movie guy? Yeah. What's your favorite movie? Anything Denzel.

Nice. I'm a Denzel guy. You know what I just watched? That was insane. I love it, and I can never turn it. And I watch it probably like once every six months, inside man. Yeah, like inside. I love a Denzel.

Every six months? I love that movie. I don't know why. I like Denzel as like a detective that, like, cool detective that has hot babe at home that lets him do his job. And he comes back. She takes care of her. Like I love. Who would you?

Man on fire. Man on fire. Man on fire. All time. Junk you. I like Anthony Hopkins too. Ooh. Andy Hopkins is really good.

He's really good. He's really like him. What's that one where he kills his wife? Fracture. Fracture. That's a fucking great move. movie that is a great movie and then uh what he in all the cannibals right huh he's a he's a animal the cannibal animal yeah animal the cannibal hello hello everybody was coming at denzil

for this new highest to lows i liked it i thought it was good the new spike me i watched it it was a little hard yeah it was yes right it was like i loved i love him it's a spike lead joint i went in with high hopes i know we're trying to get spike lead on the show it's them two you went in with high hopes i know it's been a minute since i teamed up but like Like, I don't know. We want Spike Lee on the show, we're trying to get them. It was a great movie. We all loved it.

We love Spike. Go watch it. Like, you're thinking like 10, 10. Yeah, yeah. Even if it dropped the 9, you're like, nah, this is what I was. And everybody went overboard. Like, it's so terrible.

Nah, come on. It wasn't. It wasn't. It was solid. Speaking of MVP's, this is when it all started. Dirk Navinsky, Nguinsky. The German took down the MVP. The Spurs won the championship.

the Anaheim Ducks won the Stanley Cup Sidney Crosby said the kid What? So the kid That's my guy Are you a hockey guy?

Are you a hockey guy? I was Oveskin So I knew I knew Crosby's because they were Wow This is like peak Ovee Yeah it was them too Yeah It was them too

You rang out Ovi Yeah How cool is he? He's great Now you're talking about like Rockstar like type of vibe Like it was like Like this is like

That like I don't care about nothing Just let's let's go score goals let's just go get hammering at the bar type of like he was hockey guys so he used to train basketball cool so both his parents was Olympic basketball yeah yeah so he used to be down is he used to shoot around yeah that's crazy you know the the the hockey guys they're always sneaky really athletic yeah like you remember that um it means sneaky you remember that you wouldn't think they were because they're on skate you put a shirt on them because they don't like live the normal as human beings but there is that old footage of the uh sprint off with

Who was it, Gretsky? Yeah. Who else? Oh, it was old. There was five athletes from five different sports. Pele and that. Pele was there. It was a basketball player and Gretzky smoked them all.

Was it Pelee, Bjornborg, Sugar Ray, Sugar Ray Leonard, and then, uh, Gretsky. Yeah. They did like a rate, like a hundred yards down. No football guy. I don't see a basketball guy. Football guy would have roasted them. Yeah. Or basketball.

Dude, those guys have long strides, bro. And if they get going, it's like fucking Hussain Bolt. Yeah, you're talking about... You look, Russell Westbrook would be a fucking elite sprinter now if he, like, trained for it. He has that. LeBron would be a 200 runner. He would be a trackdowner if he was 100.

So he can't top out at that 100 because he has that slow start. Yeah, take too much to move. His first two steps, but that 200... Who's your 4x1 in basketball? I'll go with... I'll do De Aaron Fox. De Aaron Fox. My God, De Aaron.

Who else is out there that's like Jets, Jets? I'll give you mine. Let you think. All time, I'll go, we'll start it. But probably prime time. Prime. Prime. Leap fast.

Then we probably give it to Bo. Let him grind through that second turn. Brind it. Bo Jackson, that motherfucker was fast. Yeah. And then I got For my third

My third leg I'm gonna give it the old Daryl Green Joker went 4-4 until he was 50 50 And then lastly You gotta go Tyreek Hill right At the end Yep

That's an elite There's a couple guys that were in the Olympics That were Olympics guys That were playing football Like Jeff Demps When he came to our team He was on the 4x1 But I wasn't about the Tio

T-O's fast too I mean T-O I that would that be like a four by four my four by four team Tio's on there Randy oh shit I didn't even put Randy on there wasn't Bob Hayes in the Olympics too yeah oh baby and who's that that sprinter Javad best didn't he he was nice wasn't he like a cow yeah wasn't he like a

he was fast I don't know if he was a I mean I might be basketball four I don't know I'll go me I go me Are you fast? Yeah Are you fast? I ran a 10-3 in high school

10-3? You're smoking there So I was I was track first So I did the 100 4 by 1 I was an anchor Then I did 400 and 4 by 4 Where?

I went to Birmingham high school And then I transferred For basketball to Grant And then the 96 Olympics There was a kid by the name of Obi-More Who was like the God He was our Michael Jordan and the 400.

And he went to the Olympics. It was Michael Johnson's gold shoes. Oh, yeah. That year, he came in like six or something. And I was like, oh, did you see him? That was great, right? So what happens to that? It's like, yeah, four more years.

And then the next Olympic. And I'm like, four more years. Like, what being broke? Oh, hell. And I ran my last race and I quit. And I was like, I'm good. I'm just going to try this basketball stuff. Hey, it worked out.

Oh, Gilly running 10. three in high school. So I quit track on this and didn't just like I'm fully invested in basketball. Yeah. 103 is flying at 18. Yeah. So I went to, I went to, shit, I was 16. I went to, um, so I went to a track school.

So, um, Ray Carruth, his uncle was our track coach. Man. So he was our track coach. And most of the athletes, all his sprinters were straight, like straight. line to USC okay so it was we it was a track school like we was on like a when I was there was like a 72 uh track meet wins free like they lost in we forever well we didn't say he got game with Denzel yeah it was okay you didn't like he got game no I liked it but yeah you think okay training basketball yeah that was a great one

what other events did you do for track and feet track it was just it was just those two They wanted me to do like long jump and high jump, but I didn't, because I wasn't being in basketball yet like that. Like now if I can rewind, I would have been doing those. I would have took away to 400 to do long jump and high jump. Any other sports? I was football. Football. Yeah.

I was, it was this thing called like just a selfish quarterback. Yeah. Right? It was. You just run around and then you take off and throw. It was just, yeah, and then. Athlete quarterback, best. It was never, like, passage.

Like, you got to remember, this is Pop Warner, so most of the kids couldn't catch. Yeah. Right? So it's like, just the best athlete, you're a quarterback and you just run, right? Fucking throw it to yourself if you could. I was like that in college. I was like that in college. That got his helmet knocked off and I woke up a basketball player.

Smart move. Yeah. A lot more money, a lot less pain. A lot more money, a lot less pain. They warned me, too. It was like, hey, we're playing against the Eagles. Do not quarterback sneak. They have a hitter over there.

You know, you see a little guy, a little Filipino black guy. Right? Hey, what is that? Who is that? Joker got right up under you, the head level. I literally woke up in the car as a basketball player. I quit. This guy named is Dijon Lee in the head.

What was so funny, his name was Dejan Lee, right? I'm a sophomore in high school. I'm fully basketball and playing North Hollywood High School. And, you know, they call us first, and then, you know, getting warmed. Right, first, I already see this, like, this little guy, right? He looks all about 5, 7, 5, 8, putting his head on a, like, hitting the backboard with his head, dunking. Because they were about, ooh, so you look like, Jesus Christ, right? And then, like, you know, all you hear is they're calling out the starting lineup.

And the last name I heard was, man, that guard, senior guard, Dejan Lee. Like, what? Dejan Lee. Right, so you how you'd you, like, walk up to him. Like, hey, did you used to play football? He was like, yeah. Did you play for the Eagles? Yeah, how do you know?

You knock my helmet off. This is before the jump ball, this is the conversation I'm having. Scared that. Could he? Having reflex. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He could hoop too. Yeah.

May it. Jump. Athletic. He was. This guy's a menace. Like, this is my sport and you can't hit me. It's a foul. You can use that leverage strength on him.

About 40 on his head. Jeez. What was his first name? Dejan Lee. Dejan Lee. We have to look him up. What a beautiful on the show. Talk about that game.

Jackie, let's get into the game. Break down these. All right, let's go through these sons real quick. 61 and 21. This is the Mike Dantonia era. Get into that later. He had his brother on the staff. Old Dan, Dantone, you might remember him from the Marshall Days.

He was leading the thundering herd there for a while. Alvin Gentry, another long-time NBA coaches on his staff. They had big win streaks this year, a 15-game win streak, which we'll talk about in a minute. And the 17-gamerer later on, All-Stars Steve Nash, Amari Stademeyer, Sean Marion. This was Steve Nash, like, at the height of Steve Nash, coming off back-to-back MVP's. They were balling. And like all Dan Tony teams, up-tempo, high-scoring, average 1-11. a game second the NBA you got names on here you also got we talked Sean Marion we talk

Steve Nash you had Amari you got Boris Diao you got Rajabelle like these are there some Sun's teams or kind of considered finals contenders I would say do you know what names like stands out lay it on me Jalen Rose I said that I was like wait like going through the box you're in the 81 and this one jeesh he's like the forest gumbo getting points dropped on your head James. That was funny. I didn't even know. I looked back to when I did like a triple take.

All I can see is the Irish guy. How do you sum up these sons in this era? Really? They were the OKC that just didn't win a championship. They were the OKC that didn't win a championship. It was a very hard team to actually like scout. Like it's like they had every element, right? you're talking about your pure point

that had vision out of this world that wasn't fast but was quick enough where he looked fast can shoot lights out right people forget that about that when I'm talking about he was lights out shooter

then you have the pick guy who literally was a demon child right meaning if he got inside the paint he was trying to rip the rim off every single time. So you have that guy rolling, right?

So it's not this finesse, you know, we kind of, you know, we don't have, you know, our A.N. We got our A.N who don't want to get hit. And then he wants to roll, get a little shot. No, no. You have someone who wants all contact. Wants to smoke. You have him.

Then you have your three, right? Who's Sean Marion, right? Who's on the weak side, who has probably the second fastest jump I've ever seen or her. So you have him who can jump, jump, like you, so he's ducking in the back end, right? Then you have Raja Bell, who is a defender. He's a two guard, but don't do, like, ISO's, but he's a flat-out shooter. Right. Then you have Boris Diao, who is Steve Nash without the jump shot, but likes the pat.

Like, he's that, he's that Euro big. Yeah. Right? So you have all these elements of guys on one team, which was sitting there like, we can't double. anybody. We can't go over because you have Amaro. You can't go under because he's going to shoot. It was just a weird makeup that was just

perfect for Steve Nash. They were always up tempo. And they were just going. So obviously they were in so much shape. It was ridiculous. High up tempo. I was just thinking about Sean Marion's jump shot. Yeah. You know, I did a little flip. How did that work? It's insane. Just a little flog. It didn't get blocked because

he jumped higher than everybody anyway. He had a jump shot. Like, he was, yeah, he jumped. He got off the floor. I remember my dad yelling at me for that when I was a kid. Frank, you got to jump. It's a jump shot. It's in the name.

That's the extent of Franks. Basketball fundamental knowledge. So how do you beat a team like this? You need someone who doesn't care about logic at this point. So the backstory here is it's the Olympic or it's that Feeba team. So Dan, Tony, and Meishechevsky is the coach. So I'm on a team There's only three of us

There's only three two time all NBA players I'm one of them Is LeBron D Wade and me Right So you know I feel comfortable with This is I'm on this team Yeah right

I understood that I probably wouldn't start The way the lineup was It was like okay Chris Paul I'll probably start You know what I mean He's a better fit for them I come off the bench I'm Rocket Man, right?

So I already called Coach Kay told him, hey, listen, you know, it's for the country. I know, I understand I grew up watching the Olympics. So, you know, I'm willing to do whatever it takes, play defense, whatever you need me to do, I'm that guy. So you talk to Coach Kay. I already talked to him. So, you know, the problem here was now if you go to that team, you point out the starters. in like our top seven, which would have been like, let's see, Dwight Howard, right?

I think Chris Bosch maybe, Chris Bosch and I think like Joe Johnson, right? That's on one team. And then I'm left with the other team, right? The bad news bears in a sense where. So this is in scrimmage or something? Yeah, so we're scrimmaging. So our practice is, so it's like I got Kirk Hunter. Heinrich, I got

Miller, I got Brad Miller, I have Shane Badiere, I have Bruce Bowen, right, I have Antoine Jamerson, right? That's my team, right? So if you think about, like, we're going against LeBron, Carmelo,

D. Wade, right? Like, we can't keep up, right? So it's all me. So they're basically feeding me the ball to Rexion. shop against them right so now you're talking about i have the ultra green so to me as a competitor this would be the best starting five i probably will ever see in my life right like i would never see a

group of guys that has to guard me and try to stop me like this so to me this was a test of where my talent was. Wait, are we on the scrimmage right now? We're on scrimmage. Okay. So this is practice every day. Okay. So the practice every day for me was basically seek out and destroy.

The rest of the team was like, let's do this. So all picks, all passes, everybody. It was like, just feed them the ball. So we were actually beating the team. They had to put in rules like, if you get a charge, it's two points in my, They start doing shit like that. It was just the weirdest shit ever, right? And I'm like, well, like, because they're like,

the other teams ain't playing like that. It's like, they don't want to shoot. He wants to, like, we're over here celebrating our win, tapping in. Because the makeup of the team was kind of like, it was really heavy in driving and no flat out shooting. Right? So we was, I remember we was playing at the Army base. We're practice for the Army base.

And then I'm jumping the highest. We got the Army shit. but it's really, really hot. I'm like Michael Jordan out there. I'm doing dunks. I just had no business doing. And I kind of like pull a little groin. And I'm like, oh, man, I hope this is not the groin injury

that stopped me like two years before. So, you know, I go up after it and say, hey, you know, I don't know what's up with my groin. And I know we're making cuts. And, you know, I don't want to hold anybody's spot, you know, that could make this, possibly make this team. because I don't know how serious this is.

Colangelo looked me dead in my face and said, yeah, you know, you can go if you want. You know, you were on the bubble anyway. First of all, I was being nice by volunteering that, you know, I can sit if you're trying to make it. You were supposed to say, you know what? Don't worry about it. Just stay a little bit longer, you know.

But the fact that you agreed with me, that's a problem. And you know, you said I'm on a bubble Didn't it made me turn around the bubble What team is he looking at? I don't see, I don't see no Kobe team back Kevin Garnett on this team, right? Like most of these guys are benchwarmers On their own team, let alone this team, right?

I know they're like friends and family discount here. Yeah, we have Badiye in here. So I literally put it like this. It was like from here going to Vegas for me. I all I kept rewinding was you're on the bubble and I'm just running through like I had 18 out of the 21 points here and I'm just like just sitting here just like I'm on a bubble oh no I'm on a bubble right that's all like like the I landed and I was still thinking about what he said I remember going to Dave McMinneman and said because he was my um ghost writer for my my blog and I told him I I said, I said, I'm going to drop 50 on Mike Dantone, Nick McMillan, because I can't go back to college to drop 60 or 70 on Coach K. So I'm going to take it out on this, just fucking his minions, right?

And then also in there, I said, the way the team is playing, the way they have the lineup, they're not going to win gold. Right? I said it. And then it was like a day later and I thought about it. I said, no, I don't want to be that guy. That anti, I don't want to be that guy. Right.

So I called him. I said, can you take out they're not going to win Gold Park? Just I don't want to be. This has nothing to do with the team and I don't want to be. And then he took it out. And then I get a call like early. And it's like, yo, you were right. They lost.

I was like, ooh. Should have kept it in Yeah And so basically What happens is The lead up to this game So I played The Blazers first

So everybody's in attendance Right And then everybody So you got the people I got 50 Every time I score They change it Change it

I had a horrible go at it Let's just say that I airballed the game winner Or the game Tie-in bucket On a floater Right so I tried

I came in And did a floater and I airballed the floater, I think the tire win the game. So I remember getting killed, everyone's laughing, talking trash. We play Seattle the next day. I think I scored

I don't think I scored 50, but I know I scored high 40s and I hit the game winner there and then left my jersey in the middle of the court. Basically, Gilbert was here. Hell yes. I did that. I did that against them in Oregon. So who is that?

So, Nate McMillan was McMillan. McMillan was blazing. And then so I failed against the Blazers, but then I made up just what I was supposed to have done the next game against them. So fast forward, I score 60 against Kobe. Then I go down to probably Denver. It was probably Denver because that was the game that when someone asked me, do you ever felt cheated? It was like, just one game in my life where I looked at the refs and said,

yo, why are y'all cheating us? Because they just traded everybody. They just traded everybody. So there was no one there. We were supposed to come in, steamroll the shit out of them. And nothing. I was 10 for 30. I shot 30 shots.

No free throws. So they kept me off the free throw line. Just kept me out the free throw line. Earl Boykins had all the free throws. I'm like, this is crazy. So when someone asked me about Donahey, And I was like, I don't know if he was on that game or not But he ended up being on the guess

Oh, he was on the game But I didn't think about like I never like I didn't know who he was Fucking Donnie So then we go down to We go down to Sacramento Huh? Sacramento was the next game Sacramento was the next game

And then we go down to Phoenix It's going to be televised So I'm remembering I'm in the shooting I'm in the gym And Bill Walton comes up to me It's like, listen, just have a decent game. I'm going to make sure that decent game looks like a miracle. Everybody's expecting you to come out here and perform.

I was like, one thing you ain't got to worry about is what I'm about to do to them, right? What Walton said to do that? He was like, oh, good job. Because, you know, me and his son, we played with the college together. So the rest of the players on my team, they already knew their assignment.

This ain't y'all game. This ain't your game This is not even about winning Okay, so let's just Let's just chalk this up as just a revenge type of game So I'm in the lay-up line, right? And Dan Tony did something

That just really triggered it Just like, all right, it's on. What do you do? He said, because you're on the 15, 16 game winning street So they're the hottest team in the league, right? He said, hey, Rinas, you're going to need more than 50. to beat us and I said oh don't worry about that that I will have more than 50 to beat you

he had to he so he was he was referring to the blog post yeah that he had that blog post in his mind yeah yeah yeah everyone I mean that's the TV game everybody was talking about it so he was like you're going to need more than you're going to need more than 50 to beat us and I said don't worry I got you which one of so who on the team is like your hype man there's got to be one guy like you hear um it was Deshawn Deshawn, Antonio Daniels, and then Deshawn

Stevenson shooting guard. You always have one hype guy. You got to have one hype guy. He's like, hey, you got him. You got him? Yeah, just got it. You got it. So And the big three was cooking. You, Karan, James and like leading the league and scoring for a trio there. Let's jump into these teams.

You guys are balling, man. Holy smokes. I think Gil hit a bunch of the lead up for us real quick. But the Wizards real quick, 41 and 41 season third year making the playoffs all those years were kind of around 500 getting in the playoffs but we talked about some of these these awesome names

you got Karan Butler Gill Brandon Hayward Antoine Jameson this was a real fun era of the Wizards yeah it was we were we were like the East Coast version of them right and one thing that I had over them and which made it like if I was on fire they were going to have a hard time

guarding me because the point guard Steve Nash was too small for me. So once I get to going at him, they're going to have to switch, which that's the point for me. I want the best, so my mind was this as an offensive player. I want the best defender guarding me

because the defense is not use to helping the best defender. It's always the other way of right. Right? The worst offender gets to help. Gets to help. So as long as I have Steve Nash, Sean me, um, you're going to have Sean Marion overhelping. You're going to have

Raja Bell overhelp. You're going to have, you're going to have this secure blanket. So basically with Steve Nash is more, you know, uh, trying to post them up, try to hit like little middies and then eventually they'll switch. Then once they switch, I have Sean Marion on me, which they're not going to help. Well, unfortunately for him, he's a little slower. So I have the foot speed. So he kind of, I got, I got a three. Yeah, I got a, I got a three. Yeah, I got, I got to play this hezzi go get them make them back up so i got to play this this this uh i call it this snake game with him same thing with roger bill you one you're a little smaller than him so when i decide to pull up i can shoot over you so once i got them two on me then it's it's a better game for

me just like you know the six against cobi once cobi's on me they're not helping right you know they're not helping it's not designed to help the best offenders weird and in one-on-one In a one-on-one game, yeah. Gil all day, every day, maybe. And that's why, that's why Luca, when he does picks, he wants the better defender. Come on, come on, Rudy. Yeah, yeah, no one's helping you. You got four of them things.

No one's going to help you. And he gets the torture. I never thought about that. That's what you see, his eyes light up. Bill kind of would do with something similar on defense. Well, that's what Bill would do on defense. He would put his second best corner on the best receiver that he thought was on that team, and he would help them out.

And then the best corner is on the second best guy locked up by yourself. Yeah. No help. Revis, you have him all game. You follow him. Yeah. Other guy follow,

we'll have him follow. And we'll do the cat and mouse game with him. Everything is schemies. Skeemies. Which I like, I mean, it always seemed to work. It's Tyreek Hill and those guys.

Yeah. Holy smokes. What was the playing culture like on this team? Playing cards, you like, playing games. What are you? The team were, We had the locker room incident.

This wasn't that one as well. This is a couple years earlier. So we used to talk about that too. Like we would, we can't be bringing shit to the fucking facility fellas. We're not. Yeah, we didn't get that memo. Clearly you guys ain't get no memos. No, no, God.

We had Mattlake bringing more demos out there. Like, okay. Can we get a memo in the NBA? No, no, no. Can we get one memo? No, see. Gambling, guns, everything. Can we get a memo?

No, we, like, it just, our culture was a little different. So you got to think about, has nothing to do with we want to be thugs. That's, that's, it's, it's, we're, we have the money and the jewelry, right? So when we go out, right, this is before, like, like having bodyguard. If you had a bodyguard, you was him. Yeah. Right. So even though I was the best player on my team, like having a bodyguard look stupid, right?

because that's only made for Alan Iverson, Kobe, Shaq. Like, you're not there yet, but I was, like, you're not there yet, buddy. Like, you know what I mean? Trace him a grade either. Is that your per, is that how you grade on how someone is in the league? Yeah, that's how you did it. You got a bodyguard, you got. Like, when you, like, and then if you have one, people would be like, yeah, he really is

fuddling himself right now. Like, he's not on that level yet, bro. You got to wait a couple more years. So what happens is Your own bodyguard Is this yes You you so most people Had guns

Right And you usually use the locker room As the safe haven So basically how it traditionally went You're coming from home You put it in you put it in your locker Right

You put it in your locker You drive to the club have fun at the club from the club go to the locker get it go home right so that's how that's that's how it really was you know what I mean yeah kind of a checkpoint yeah it was like yeah it was like yeah so the locker room was a check it point because we can go in yeah no one no one's coming out and if we come out we're yeah you know so it was it was really more about that never really about I'm gonna use it like it's like we're not gonna shoot anybody yeah right but if we was there just in case anything happened yeah I got one why

jail it was it was it was it was kind of more of that so it was it kind of was always there like our secret phones obviously you know money jewelry you know a secret you know a secret phone it's a bad phone you got it's right there in the locker you know what's the most amount of phones you've ever had out a single time me yeah I had this thing called a blackberry okay and I had blackberry friends right which wasn't on a data plan the BBM yeah yeah the BBM yeah the BBM That's all I need, yeah. Yeah, that was good right there. Cordy keyboard, bro.

That was goaded back in the day. All time. So my team wasn't a gambling team. Okay. Right? If you look at the personalities, I'm the highest paid, Antoine, and then Karan.

Right? Karan didn't really gamble. Antoine didn't gamble, so it was just me. So who I'm gambling with will be Andre Blotch, one-year player, second round. No money.

Right? Calvin Bootha play. So you're the house. house and they just get to have whatever bet like so basically he was yeah you know we were on the plane like we would go we would do it more not on team planes but when we go to the derby and shit you could bet as much as you want against tom he was just the house oh yeah no no no we're not doing like just the games was just different like 10 bucks he's like all right we got minimum bet ten dollar ten dollar bet minimum bet broke boy broke boy but that's how exactly

was like you're just playing to just you know past the time so you know most of our games was based off on these contracts right you're talking about 400,000 so we're not a big money game yeah right we're not the ones that they're trying to win your win houses and win car notes hell no like we didn't have that kind of contract so our argument was over literally 1100 dollars now they weren't the highest paid but to all the players you played with who was the greatest player you played with the greatest i would say antoine jamerson because we played years seeing them make all stars and stuff um like i did play with dwight howard um but it's for that half a season and um it's that half a season then i think he he ended up hurting his back and

But we finish the season, but it is Dwight by the name and by the skill set he was he was turning into. But, you know, just for years it was Antoine James. I like that. I like that. That's a great answer. Hell yes. Like, Dwight, like, I've seen a monster that was coming. Like, he, if he never got hurt, he was going to be an MVP, hands down.

Like, I remember we're playing, we're playing Miami. we're down I think 18 at the half and everybody's going back and forth and he was like listen it's not that hard turk you guard duane wade let him through i said i'm going to hit him so hard he will he will just take jumpers the rest of the night and then lebron is going to take jumpers the rest of the night they're not going to come in here anymore so then you can play as aggressive as you want and we're going to win this game open the door to the door Duane tried to come in, hit a wall. Boom.

Sure enough, all jump shots, we end up coming back and winning. Oh. Damn. Like, that's cold. They were afraid, like, people. Like, they were afraid of Dwight. He's that big.

Because he was so physical and he was so athletic. So he had both elements. Like, you, like, it wasn't just, he was just athletic and he was physical, so he wanted to hurt people. Play the size. Like, we used to Malik,

Malika, what was his name? Malik something, Malik Rose. We had a Malik on our team. Not Malik neighbors. It was something, no, no, not Malik. We had a Malik something in Orlando. And you know the mom, what's the name, blocks? It's Pilate blocks.

Yeah, yeah. He had to tape the Pilates block on his chest every practice. So they'll tape the Pilates block because when he spun, when Dwight spun, he elbow. He elbowed. And he said every time. before he was getting hurt to the point where he couldn't breathe and it was just so they put the block there and i was like malik allen oh man i don't even know him yeah he used to oh my god

he used to hate it like he just hated being on that that second year the team guarded him getting beat out of villain over i was like yeah you don't get paid enough of this coincidentally that was his last year in the NBA yeah i'm sure i'm good we'll be right back after this quick break Malcolm gladwell here this season on revisionist history We're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of control. 35 years. That's how long Elizabeth's and its family waited for justice to occur.

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I'm making a series. You built an excuse. Hey, listen, don't worry. It was some heat ready for. That's right, baby. You guys just had a back-to-back, too. This was the second, yeah. And it might be Christmas time,

and Gil wasn't giving out presents. He was giving out buckets, baby. Coming into this one, 15 in a row for the sons, we talked about that. Nine and 12, though, whiz. That doesn't get talked about enough. They were on fire. You guys were on fire.

This was an awesome West Coast Road Street or World Trip, I should say. Gil talked about that a little bit. getting this thing going early Phoenix did get out to a double-digit lead but the wizard's answer with a 20 to 7 run got up 11 there at the end of the first pushed that lead out to 18

in the second. Gil was hooping balling filling it up had an awesome buzzer beard at the end of that first quarter pulled up from 40 from the logo there which is just insane. Which is like a regular shot now. I know. But that was one those shots is crazy. It was like oh shit Gil's about to be on it tonight. He's about

to be on this thing tonight. Gilly, when did you know I'm in the zone? And there's game or just period in this game oh no as soon as i seen it on the um schedule as soon as i soon as i see it on the schedule i it was just market it was just you know there's just some guys that just bring it out of you and i think if you asked steve nash who changed your game and made you score if you ever look at our games because i scored so much he was forced to match the energy right i i was not going to allow him to have those 17 points because I'm going to come at you so much

that you're forced to say, no, I'm fighting back. So I got to see the best of his scoring. Like, I used to play double, let's double. It's double. Like, I don't play deeper. That's double.

Like, just trap him. I don't care for Marty has 57. That's not my problem. This is my guy. I don't want him having 42. 42. Because he was taking some shots where you're like, that doesn't look like a typical Steve Nash shot.

I mean, he was hitting, though, efficient tonight. Yeah, Steve went freaking 14 of 25, 7 of 15 from 3. Who are you talking to on the court? Everyone. Everyone can get it. Nicknames or name? Everyone got name or nicknames? So I used to just like, I don't know if it's like that in football, but sometimes just noises and sounds and ad lips.

Yeah. People, they hate that. I don't know why. Yeah, yeah. You literally, you literally hate that. And it's just weird how a defensive player hates little things like, Habachi. How bad did they hate the Abachi? They're like, what is that?

Benny Hunter. Rain drops. I can't feel my face. Like this is just like it gets under their skin. Like some Will Ferrell-ass shit. That's right. Like so I was like, I know Steph irritates him. Night night.

Like that little stuff. Oh my God. The fender, they do not like stuff like that. No. Adlibs, man. Like, they want you to score on them with class. No. It would be classy and scoring.

Adlips are the coolest, man. Now, when you're in this game, are you keeping an eye on your score line? No. No, you're all just feeling it. No, I got teammates to do that for me. But are you like a guy throwing a no-hitter where you don't want to know if they tell you're listening?

Most of the, like, if you start off a game, right, it's like you have like this, this whereabout counts, right? Got by eight of them. them. Yeah, you know, but at some point, you know, you, you're scoring, you don't, you don't remember. Then, like, once you see a player, like, look up, like, on, when he's on defense, he'll look up, he's looking to see what he has.

Yeah. But sometimes you be in a zone, and your teammates, I'll be like, yo, one more rebound, triple, double. But that's when you're really in the zone. Like, so you, you'll hear things like that, your teammate will let you let you, let you know that you're close to something. Now, that's a good teammate. Epic duel with Nash.

You guys are battling. Are we over there giving looks or sounds to Dan Tony? Not necessarily. Not even a look. But yeah, like the King Kong chest. Like I did the King Kong chest and stuff like that. Like, you look over there? Like I wasn't, you know, because it was.

But in his direction? It wasn't because it wasn't about him. Like he didn't do anything, right? It's just that I'm just using him as the fuel to it. Got to it. And because he played into. it and acknowledge like you're going to need more than things it was just one of those things where it was like all right yeah you got my juices going now they you guys get up on them in the

fourth right yeah and they come back they come back and they had it they had a chance to win they missed it so we we locked out we we lucked out like it was really for a team who was as good as them they put themselves in a great position to win the game yeah they had they had a chance They missed a couple of those buckets at the end. We locked out. We lucked out. For sure. But, hey, that ain't won, though, to tie it up was huge.

The N-1 against Sean Marion. Huge. Finishing at the rim, baby. Yep. And y'all got to remember, that was the ball that the NBA gave us for replacing the leather. That was a fake ball. Oh, that was that year? That's right.

That was a different color ball? No, it was a different feel. So it was more like that college feel sticky. So with me, I understood. how to use that ball. How? Right? So, like, there's, like, dead spots, right?

In some ball like that. So, like, a ball like that, no matter if it's wet, if you throw it up on a backboard, it don't have that ping, ping, right? It has that more soft drop-in, right? So a lot of bank shots, a lot of hitting around the rim, right? So as long as you get it towards that area, it has a chance of winning. So how I had the angle, I know my spin, do-to-do, versus. the leather ball

where you have to overspin it so it sticks on the rim then goes if you try to spin that one it was like bowling ball right it's like this ball was more of the it's a dry lane so if you over if you overspin it's gutter

versus the wet wind if you you can spin it a lot of it go all the way and then are we nasty at bowling I used to be very very it was like my thing are you golfer too I just I just started. Oh, and you're probably pretty good. I'm trash.

Yeah, but you'll learn it. You're natural. I look good, though. You have such a, you guys, that is a skill. Like that, that's going to be the same as this. I mean, it's all the same. Like, with golfing, it's more of. Time.

I'm on task. Think of it. Yeah. Like, okay, sit, go, keep your head down, pour out the way. Like, I got to really, like, do all these checkpoints to make sure. If I'm just out of like, yeah, I'm about to cook. But when you're probably like six years old, you're doing the same offhand, six.

You know what I mean? You're just six years old in the golf game. But I'm good. But I just, you know, I go out there. I'm the best trash talker. Of course.

Right. I'm going to, I'm going to entertain. I'm going to get drunk, right? You're going to win. I'm going to try to cheat. We got to golf. We got to go.

Like, I'm one of those. Like, you really have to watch me. Like, you really have to watch me. I re-drop balls. So I always keep two balls of my pocket. Smart.

Right? Right. So I know you're not looking like, oh, yeah, right here. Use the old foot wedge. Yeah, yeah, I do a golf. We love golfing on the off days, man. You got to come with us. You got to get you.

I do the whole throw, like if, like, I'm in the sand and you're not like looking. I'll literally throw my ball. I found it. And then, like, throw the sand. Oh, shit. Who's your hair squir and bowling? 277 is my highest.

277? Not too shabby. Who is a mookie? Mooky at 300. Oh, yeah. Moogie loves golf. That joke heard golf. Or, I mean, bowling.

Or bowl. Man. Are you guys go to. overtime, 127, 127. Are we sitting there thinking, how many points you have until you went

when you're in overtime? Well, I was in the 30s, mate. You'll pass the 50s. Was I in the 40s? But I had like 40s something in the- 48. So in regulation, 10 in the 4th, 14 in the 3rd, there's 24.

Yeah, 24 and 24 each half. So you have 48. Nice and consistent with it. Yeah, so, oh, yeah, so going in overtime, I was actually having. You're like, I have to go to the overtime. Yeah, because I get to break the 50.

Yeah, because that was a thing. So there was this, like, Antoine Jamerson had, you know, he had back-to-back 50s when we was at Go to State when I was like a rookie. So there was this thing that I'm scared of 50. So I'm scared of 50. So he was like, every time you get close to the 50, you can't get the 50. So when I had 60, it didn't count. Because it wasn't 50.

It wasn't 50. Oh. So I was like, yeah, I did it. It was like, no, you didn't have 50. Where's your 50 at? I was like, I got 60. That's not 50. 50 is 50.

And I was like, what's the fuck? So this game, right? And he's like, yeah. So when we went to overtime, I'm gonna get it. I got to get two more. So you hit 50. I hit 50. I know you hit 50.

But when you hit 50, did you? Oh, my God. That monkey's off my back. Did you look at them? No, I mean, it was more Antoine. I like, oh. Because I can tell you this. that is the most stressful when you're trying when you when you play so freely and you're getting to a number where you have your eye on and you're like that's when you mess up the most like luka if you see in the luka game and he know he needed two more points miss an easy shot miss this lay up missed this free throw that's what ends up happening on the road to 50 because you're pressing for it yeah crazy so i knew i had five full minutes to get the two points oh and you got it yeah i got it

And you get 54 and you guys win. And we win. That's always the best. Oh, it's the best. And we win because someone like me, it's the goal first, then we won. When I scored 60, I was like, I just scored 60 on Kobe Bryant. The coach was like, and we won. I just scored 60 on Kobe Bryant.

They're like, what? When? That is the win. That's history. So scores 54. Banks in the game, icing three. Yep. Iceing three, right?

Has 60 the same week before, has a 40 burger as well. Give us the aftermath. In the aftermath, I hate to report this, but Gail Terz's meniscus late in the year would miss the rest of this one. That's the same year?

Yeah, later in this year, I believe. You missed the playoffs. Yeah. I think, right? Again, got swept by LeBron. Yeah, yeah. Okay, you're missing something. where I had a 51 after this oh that was that was the infamous turnaround three where I turned

around on Utah oh yeah it was like right after yeah January 15th yep so you had 50 burger a few times this year yeah I was on I was on so now think about so the year before this this is where I got tapped by LeBron and missed the free throws to win the game that was the uh yeah That was the playoffs the year before. So this year, that terror came, came the following year where I was hitting all my game winners, hitting all my end-of-game shots, right? 50, 60, 54.

That was the next year. Who's the Joker that owed us like $35? You were the landlord that game. That was the one of Broncos. He got a new landlord now. I mean, he's going to have another landlord because that's, yeah, that was Damon Jones. That's Damon Jones.

I was getting him getting Larry Hughes confused. Sorry. Yeah, that was Larry. He owed me money, too. So was it better dropping 54 or shutting up Dan Tony? Did you see him after the game? No. Seeing him since?

No. Nice. I think scoring a 54 on Dan Tony on the team that was with it. All of it. It was just a perfect, it was perfect for me. They're on a 15 game winning streak. Nobody can beat him. You know, Rambo 2 is coming through.

Rambo 2 is coming through. He don't suppose to win, but she, you know, but Rambo 2 is coming in. gets the win and then goes on and they can, then they, I think they go back on the streak. Yeah, that is 17, 17 went back on it. Yeah. So, you know, it's crazy. For all you keep and

score at home, 54 is more than 50. So. And Washington beat Phoenix. And I own, I still own the most points as an opponent on that court. Wow. So I think I hope, I still own three records on courts. As an opponent for the Lakers, Staples Center, an opponent

here and then Wizard. 51, tied it. Now, this is hilarious. Bradley Bill had 51, and it was like nine minutes left. And he didn't score anymore. Wow. And me, I was like, because I'm a Bradley Bill fan, just not that day.

He got the 51, and I'm like, oh, my God, no, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, miss, yeah, we survived. I love high score at a stadium. That's a fun one. That's fun. You played a lot at Verizon Center, obviously, it's your home court. It's in Chinatown and Washington, D.C. What's the best, like, Chinese food in that area? I have no idea.

Never, never, never, never stuff around. I was so routine. When I got there, it was like ghost town, right? It was new construction and no stores, really. So the way I went was always like the back entrance. So back entrance, three, four years back in there. Just never veered off. Same way, never changed, right?

And then when I got hurt, so this would be like, oh, 809 president Obama get hit by the convoy right so I have to go different way I literally don't know what was going on

like I'm sitting here like the hell happened here like this is downtown this this is this is an amazing they got a movie theater they got stores like so they built it up and I never because I never went through the front that street I never

knew well that it was just this Beautiful place now. Let's jump in and let's grade this game. You'll finish third in scoring this season right behind Kobe and LeBron. After getting hurt and missing. I think I almost set a record here too. I think it was, so this 07, right? It's 06-07, yeah.

So the record was three-pointers and free throws. It was most threes made in the season like 205 with a certain amount of free throws. So I was the only person in NBA history. to do it. Where'd you get this stat? Damn. When James Hardin did it and became the second person seven years later. I want to know your stat guy.

You got good stats. Like it was just something that came up. So basically, if you was a three-point shooter, he was a three-point shooter. If he was a free-throw merchant, he was a free-throw merchant, and I was the first person to do both at the same time. Yeah, I think it was 205, 205 made three-pointers that year. So two of? Tied with Raja Bell, really.

And then how many free throws? And then free throws, it looks like. Yeah, because there was something. I could have been number one in free throws taken made, three-pointers taken made, something like that. Does Steph have those now, or no? Is he not in those? He won't have free throws. Yeah, no, in 2006, 2007, it said right behind Kobe average 8.7 free throw makes a game.

You average 8.2. Yeah. According to stat muse here. Yeah, so how many, but what was the total of it? I'm seeing 718? That seems a little high. No, I mean, I'm just. That's what it's coming back to right now.

well let's let's name the game jack you find that staff i got you i'm on and i'm on the game is this the greatest game of all time let's score it decimals encourage we came up with these names if you have a specific name for this game let us know we had the 54 piece we had steve versus gill we had the duel in the desert we had suck it d'ntony we had habachi night i think we went with the speed limit game last game that was gill 60 piece Yeah, that's a great one. That's a speedy. That's a tough to top that one.

It was the massacre in the desert is more like it. The massacre in the desert. Yeah, because I came in. They knew, the best part is they knew I was coming. That's what makes it. You know I'm coming and you got to stop me from doing what I'm going to do. And you still got the massacre in the desert. I love it.

Let's score it. Is this the greatest game of all time? Decimals in courage. Stakes of this. Regular season game, but a lot of back history game. Zero to 10 decimals encourage. 15, 15 game winning, you got to put that up there. 15 game winners, absolutely, yeah.

The stakes of this game. The game wise, it was more of a three. Okay. We was just supposed to be just another loss. Yeah. Yeah, but for me, it was, it was the 10. Yeah. For me, okay.

For you, it's a 10. For me, it's a 5.1. just because I mean we've done Super Bowls World Cups Yeah I know it's tough You know I had a 3.2 regular season game I don't know I was hating

I had a 2.0 I mean you said a three Yeah that's my perspective Like that's what I said we were We already scheduled this loss Yeah right Yeah you know you're going to West Coast trip And it's like all right

We're gonna lose against the Lakers Back to back on West Coast trip You know this and this and loose so it was It was a schedule loss Yeah yeah So the star power of this game 0 to 10 decimals encouraged um star power star power just one me you just one zero so zero to 10 how do you grade the star power one a one yeah just it's just i'm just i was the only

star on the on the court but i i can say a marie was a marie was getting into the like the star power Like Steve Nash wasn't a star Right, he's an all-star But he was like when you're talking about that next level Yeah, no bodyguard for Steve Nash You know what I mean? In a body guard Right, nobody guard

Nobody right like you You know So I was, you know You know We should know I got a signature shoe You know I don't think they had

Any shout out No shoes They was team guys You know You got all team Nike guys I like that I put it at 1.0 Yeah 1.0

Yeah I'm gonna go 7.2 Right there was six other stars but did it was someone in the stands i mean like were they in the stands there i think i saw riona in the stand i was like somebody show up that i didn't know hey who's the name of the gorilla they have oh yeah he's a legend their mascot yeah yeah he's a star oh man yeah so jack at 7.9 7.7 7.7 now the gameplay of this game overtime was an electric game back and forth this is 10 10 for me for me i love an overtime game i'm going to go gameplay 8.4.

Oh, we're all... Oh, I had 8.6. I had 8.1. The name of the game, we score the name of the game, the massacre in the desert. It's also the cultural impact. It's a really good. It's a cultural impact.

Everyone knew about this game. Yeah. Because we all knew the beef. Where's the beef? Where's the beef? I got to give it a 9. 9. Okay. Flat 9.0.

For me, I want to go with the 8.2. Okay. I'm a little high. What are you talking about? That's a little high. 7.0. Kyler 2.0. 2.0. Why?

Massacre. It's like you could do like Madlibs with Massacre in the desert. What a, what is the beat down in the jungle? What's the overall score and what is the match in the, on the list? So it is a 6.59 that puts us, I think it's going to put us in our second page.

6.59 is a tide for, Our 95th game with Arrowhead Awakening, 2003, Week 1, Lions versus Chiefs, right here. Which was argued that started the Lions to be the Lions. Oh, yeah. When they beat the Chiefs to start the season. It's just below Miracle in Morgantown with Mike Vic, 99, Week 2 against West Virginia.

And just ahead of out the club game, 2014, Week 11, Patriots versus Coltsburg, Gronk just blocked someone into oblivion. Rams versus Niners? Who's that with? week two was that puka

puka naku yeah that was puka yeah nice he bowled out so your other game because you you were on the show

remotely years ago and we scored your game where is that 103 103 right here your 60 point game

nice how is that is that was a that was a great game because um cobe cob like put the team

on his back at the end to get it to overtime. I had the game winner to make it. And I had the last shot. And I backed them up. But for some reason, I faded back like he can block it. And then I kind of left it short for me to score 16 points,

break a record, you know, in overtime. Hell yeah. Not bad. Set a record floor. So it was just meant. What a fucking game. But this 54 burger on Dan Tony because of the beef. Yeah, because tell your friends about me.

You got to tell them. They have to know now. They know about it now. Tell Coach Kay what I did to you. Did we miss anything from this game? No, I mean, you know, but one, it was a better game for me because I played in Arizona. So I was a fan favorite too. So it was like, it was really like a home crowd for me.

There was a home crowd for Gilly. They love Gilinez. Everyone got to go check out the Gilbert Arena show. Gil's Arena battle mode. The arena, gridiron. And are you Twitching now? Yeah, Twitch, no chill, Gil. No chill, what are you playing?

NBA 2K Madden and... Are you good at Madden? Are you good at Madden? I got four plays. That's all you need. If you stop those four, I'm done. Who you play with? So I'm a Rams fan, fanatic, but I play with the Ravens.

I'm smart. So you're a Lamar guy. You run around a Lamar. No, no, no. Yeah, right. The funny part is, I never run. I see all the little kids on the Twitches with the Lamar just running around, like big back of the day, bro. I never run because I just assume everyone's going to have a run defense for him.

So I never use it. I just need it just in case like I got to get out of the pocket because they're blitzing. That's it. But I never run because as soon as I get hit, it's a fumble. Yeah, injure. So I just use, I just use him just to move left and right. Any FIFA? Huh?

Any FIFA? People tell me I need to play that game. I started playing FIFA like 10 years ago. Didn't know soccer or anything. Now I'm addicted. It's fucking awesome. It's like, I guess it's kind of like, what are the people that play the hockey game? Oh, NHL?

Yeah. Do you ever play that? I used to when I was growing up. Yeah. It's like, Grisky 95 and like that was the deficit. I used to love what was NBA jams, dog? That was my basketball. And I play a little 2K back in the day,

but I just play FIFA and Call of Duty a little bit here and there. What's so funny, it keeps you young. It does, because you talk to all these fucking 12-year-olds that are like sweaty little triage. I'm talking trash. It makes you sound 12 too.

But what it does is like when I'm streaming gaming, that my energy itself feels young. Feels young. It goes, right? And it's like I see, like only gaming. Like, soon as I get it. in there is like childlike and i was like you just want to be your inner kid as soon as i'm like

i can jump up and do all this stuff and then when the stream is over is oh my god oh nice you and you and neon got to keep blinking up man those clips are electric those things are awesome one thing i knew i was like i know he's a troll right everything is like there's no he doesn't want no and he's not it's trolling just troll so because i matched it and i understood it, I knew the assignment. Yep. That's the internet. Yes. But I got in trouble. He's learning from the master, though. Gill is the master troll. I got in trouble.

No. You know, I bet, yeah, my Gilly ain't in trouble. My wife, you know. Oh, man. You know, I lied to my wife 10 times a day, you know. You do? Like, no. It's just for the stream. No, you really believe that. Like, no, no, it's from the stream. Like, it's getting like a clicker out.

He caught up on the stream. Oh, my gosh. Gilly, thank you so much for coming on, bro. I appreciate you. Thank you for having me. We'll be right back after this quick break. Malcolm Gladwell here. This season on Revisionous History, we're going back to the spring of 1988 to a town in northwest Alabama, where a man committed a crime that would spiral out of

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his own way. Gil came in here with the Van Cleef and the cashmere. He came in with the Y3s on. Woo! Was there's little stars on the, I think there were stars on the sweater. Oh, within the kind of the the big houndstooth? Yeah, I think there might be.

Was it a star? I couldn't tell. I didn't get a great enough look at it. He gave some fun insight. Gill does not miss. He doesn't, he's made for this. I was dead He's got three shows. I want Gil on the golf course with us. I don't care if he's foot wedging

or what he's doing out there. I want Gil out there with us. That's a guy you went in your foursome. There would be some fun stories. Oh my God. They'd be in electric, brother. Oh, my God. I was dying.

What an awesome episode. I was dying when he said he wants to be locked in the porn. What a great guy for. Yeah. The Porn Hall of Fame. The Porn Hall of Fame. He was looking at me to see if I would go in there. I was like, I'm not jumping in. Yeah. He's like, that's all you, dog.

Yeah. Night of the museum. He'll be down the BBW wing. Oh my God. You know, he's really great for sports media. Yes, well, we need more of that. We need more of that. We need more of that.

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I mean always Celebrate responsibly Cheers chill What we're doing here Jackie Oh my goodness Since Gil is not only silly And crazy In a bucket getter

He's also a great nickname guy Agent Zero Agent Zero With that being said We figured it was time To dust off the old Starting 5 segment And today we're going to do

Starting 5 all time sports nicknames Okay I love it I'm so fired up Did he, is he the first zero? Because now it's in the NFL. Yeah, zeros are now in the NFL. He's definitely an early zero.

Matt Golden or Matthew was golden? The early zero, double zero was popping before that. Yeah, Robert Parrish was double zero. Let me look about just straight up zero. But like now zero is in these days. Oh yeah, it's cool now. You see a swaggy cornerback when zero. It used to be, if you're zero, you're no hero.

I know. But now, because Agent Zero, you can be a hero. This is true. Yeah, I mean, now you got the Russell Westbrooks. He got the Dame Lillard. It's interesting. That is an interesting one to Jim Otto.

He was double zero, right? I think as a center. This is a good one. I'm looking at the list. Yeah, this is a fun one. I'm very fired up for this. All right. I'm very fired up.

Who's going first? So, remember, starting five is we are essentially drafting each of our top five of this thing. I love nicknames so freaking much. I would say what separates us from the beasts. It's like fire. I mean,

as far as inventions go, the invention of fire, the assembly line and the ability to give nicknames, maybe. Those are the top three. I mean, we just don't know the other language nicknames. I love nicknames. And like international nicknames. Oh, for sure. You know, like, we don't know what they say over

like in La Liga Yeah The Spaniards We don't know how they're calling their They're like Their dudes Like yeah

Like no I get I get you Because we don't know Their language Maybe they call Like Did Does Messi have a nickname

Other than the fle That's a Like Is that the American nickname for him Or is that the English nickname Or is that

I don't know Does Messi have a Spanish nickname He's La Puga La Puga I think The flea La Puga

See that's a B-U-L-G-A. That's very good. That's a very good one. I put our nickname abilities right up there with anywhere in the world. All right. I'm going to start it out.

Let's go first. Look, I mean, someone who's who lived out his nickname, still lives out his nickname. I got to go Dionne Sanders with prime time. I loved him. I loved him as a kid, too.

At his shoes. prime time prime time like that was that's still a great nickname yeah that's great all time prime time it's fitting too

not only is it a good nickname it like fits him perfectly prime time keeps ticking ticking ticking he used to have a CD that I have right back over there I mean

prime time I'm going with him got to start one great one great one my next yeah all you guy guy I'm gonna go with the great one

Wayne Gretzky I like it. Yeah. That is a great nickname. It's a great. It's a great one. Hockey in general gives out great nicknames. There's a big nickname culture.

Not just like names like this, but like variations of your name. It's a, yeah, I.E or Y or Y. Or yeah. It's nice and great about that. Yeah. I think I'm going to go, as me. I'm going to go with a guy we talked about a little bit this episode. Pete Rose, baby, Charlie Hustle.

Charlie Hustle. That's a great one. Are we snake graphing or we just? well let's just go back let's rotate you go who's up you're up oh I'm up we do regular draft yeah okay um you know I was I

recently had to get a car towed and I drove back with my toe guy and he was uh he was this Mexican dude and we were talking he had a Dodgers hat on nice and he asked me who's my favorite team and you know I said I like the giant

and I liked the Red Sox. Nice. And he loved the, he, like, loved the Lakers. He was listening to the game. We were listening to the game, you know, on and stuff. And I'm like,

you like Big Pappy? And he, he didn't even know who Big Pappy was. What? I go, David Ortiz. I go, do you even watch, I think, like, on the West Coast,

they don't know the East Coast shit. Maybe this guy just didn't know ball. Jeez, Louise. Hey, not no Big Pappy. I think he just loved the Dodgers. they were winning. Yeah. But it sounds like a

It sounds like an LA sports man. He knew, I go, I say, you know, I go David Ortiz. You know, and then I said,

you know, Big Poppy. He goes, oh yeah, Big Poppy. Yeah, he knew Big Poppy. So I had to go.

That's a suspect, bro. I like that. That's a great pick. Tell me, your toe drivers on my radar. Me too. You don't know,

big pop. You know, he got me, though. Jesus. In what way? He got me because he said,

Oh, he, so I was sitting, I was stranded. I took out the old school, you know, and the starter went out. And so I'm sitting there stranded for like three hours up in like the mountains. And this dude comes and he goes, oh, I got to go. I can't leave. I can't take you back to L.A. What? I'm like, I go, so what are you going to do?

Because your like mechanic is like way up, right? Huh? Your mechanic is like super far away. No, he just had to bring me home, but I was like 35 miles. and there was a lot of traffic to get back. Gotcha. And it would have been an hour. And he goes,

you got to have another guy. I can't leave this post because it's out of my district. I said, all right, buddy, I'll get here. I'll get to slip you some. And this is AAA.

Yeah. And so I was like, all right, I'll sleep you a couple. And he got me. Nice. And he took me. But did he get me?

Was it a, was that like a? Was that part of it? Like, was he joking? around. I don't know. That's a little sucks.

We love the Dodgers regardless and fuck. Shohay Otani is killing it. They might have one what's his nickname at this point? The best baseball player. I go to the airport and there's LA Dodgers hat and then there's just

a blue Otani hat. It just says Otani. Are the Dodgers selling Otani's name making money off of it? Absolutely. It just says Otani. No Dodgers. That's why he's making 70 million a year.

How many jerseys didn't they sell in Japan? a lot. I think they call, they say show time, but I don't know if that's like, like show spelled S-H-O. I like big puppy, though. Me too. And he squeezed me like I was a little kid on the kickoff show. I felt like, I felt like I was my dad or something. He was so big and a good hug. He probably thought you were Dustin Pejoria. He calls me that all the time. You remind me a beating.

Laser show, laser show. Laser show. Oh, that could be on the list. So it's my turn. I got a question. So my guy, is it the player or the nickname? Because my guy's got two nicknames. It's pretty good. I'm going purely. The nickname.

I think a little bit of both. It's room for interpretation. Okay. I love it when you call me Big Poppy. Throw your hands in the A if you's a true player. We should watch hard balls. I know. It's good moon.

Sad. RIPG, baby. All right. I'm going to go with Mario. That's great. Super Mario. That's a great nickname. And for your Kobecois.

He's a love, I can't pronounce it. My French is terrible. La Magnific. my spellings well you should probably you know you should probably learn your French

if you're gonna go go to Canada bubs hey if I can get another passport I'm gonna I'm just saying A lot of French

depend on where you are my French oh yeah that sounded pretty good my French is very bad oh hey he said it well though well said

it's like that family guy you know what Kyler which one's that I don't remember that he's like oh are you speak English

I only speak this and then the phrase you know what Kyle oh yeah what He would the French like to call Les incompetent.

Which is incompetent. I love it. I love it. We're razzing each other in different languages. I have a joke dialed in, but I don't want to say it on camera. Say it. Go, Jack.

Oh, my gosh. Oh, Lord. I'm going to go with, this is an under-the-radar one. But maybe one of my favorites of all-time, Vinnie Johnson, the microwave. he'd come in off the bench he'll fill up the stat sheet when he was back there on the sonics

and the pistons all those great teams Do you have an origin of why the microwave? Because he would come in off like the announcers were calling him that because he was a bench player but he'd come in and he'd score Oh he'd be hot quickly

really really quickly I don't know who this guy is Vinny Johnson bro Legend All right well I'm Hooper That'll be good That's a great microwave See that's one where

If we're gonna go Hooper You gotta go with the best One of the best of all time the basketball has great nicknons I'm saying because I'm looking at like three right now yeah but I got to go with Irvin magic Johnson I even know his name was Irving until I was like 25 because I thought it was just magic right that's how cool of a nickname that is I guess that's right it's so ubiquitous you just think it's his name I thought it was his name it's a little bit of a tiger wood situation yeah tiger's woods his real name is tiger wood no it's eldrick no but his middle

name's tiger yeah yeah okay never mind sorry okay Eld something. Yeah, it's Eldrick Tiger Woods. Elwood? Eldred. Yeah, Tiger Woods. Magic? Okay, Magic Johnson.

That's a fucking great nickname. It's a great one. Haspaw has great nicknames. He gave us a little deek there, a little head nod, because you're like Irvin, and we all thought you were going to say Dr. Jay. I mean, no, but you see, you forgot. They say Eldred. The Taunt Woods.

You forgot Magic. Yeah, you forgot. It's, yeah. Tiger might not be on his birth certificate. We got to double check that one. You got to double check that. But magic's all time. It's an all-time.

Yeah, yeah. No, that's great. Yeah. Our third hockey player for Kyler will be. I'm going to go with Mr. Hockey. Gordy Howe. He called it. Yeah.

Oh. That's a great one. We should get magic in you. I love it. Also, the namesake for the Gordy Howe hat trick. Do you know what that is, Jules? Yeah. What?

When you do three, three goals. Nope. And three assists. Nope. And you got to go in the penalty box for one minute. You have to do all those, and that's the Gordy Howl hat trick. The people know. What is it?

Gordy Howe Hatrick is a goal, an assist, and a fight. See, that's exactly what I like that. You can't go in the penalty box for one minute. This doesn't exist. Two minutes. Yeah, okay. Dude. You don't even know puckhead.

Pughead? Even a puckhead? I got to go with my guy, Randy Johnson. Big unit. The unit is a great nickname. That's a great one. I love rain. Man, we should get Randy on here.

I love him. Take some pictures. Frank Thomas was the unit. He was the big hurt. The big hurt. Yeah. He's on there. That's another good one.

You should steal that one. Yeah. Now, I'm going to go hockey. Sorry, I forgot. So for me, my next one, got to go beast mode. That's a great one. Money?

That's a great one. We used to call Marshall Money. Money Lynch. Money Lynch, baby. I think at Berkeley, that's what? but they called them. But I was put it down there. Money Lynch?

No, was it money? Marshall, I think it was money, but Beast mode. Also, I like that like Beast mode is like, but Gromk was also kind of beast mode. Yeah,

it's like a state of being, not just like, no, it's true. Yeah. I was in New York over the weekend and I got fired. He dead beast mode. Everyone knows beast mode.

I got followed by a guy for about 12 blocks wearing a Marshawn Lynch jersey. I think he was an unhoused man, but he was still kind of scary. I thought it was a game of a names fan. Nah, I don't have been. The scene that 2-4 behind me.

I was like, oh, fuck, he might go beast mode on me. He might go beast mode on me right here in the streets. It was wild. Love, Marshang. I'm going to go with Sidney Crowsby, Sid the Kid. Sid the Kid is a great one. Sid the Kid is good. I like that.

Not super relevant anymore, but like he's said the old man. But he's still doing it. Hey, he's still a kid in our mind. What a legend. I'm going to go with... I'm going to go... This might be a controversial. But I'm going to go Johnny football.

Johnny football. Johnny Mansell. It's a great nickname. It's a great nickname. You got the sport that you play in your nickname and you're supposed to be like... And everyone knew it. It did. It stuck.

It stuck. I like it. I'm going to go for my fifth. Air Jordan's pretty insane. Pretty darn good. You can't like not have that on your list. A billion dollar brand of all-time nickname. I'm going to expose.

my lack of basketball knowledge here but did Eric Jordan proceed his Nike relationship or did that come as like a part of it is it a chicken or egg kind of thing yeah um what do you mean like because his like shoe was like the Air Jordan was his first shoe

like that just come about after that or did it was it named after was a shoe named after his nickname Air Jordan I'm gonna I'm gonna show my ignorance I think I think Nike invented that I think it was too based on seeing Jason Bateman's hit in the movie air.

Yeah, I think it's Nike. I watch that movie. I've seen a bunch of, oh man, that's a great movie. Shout out Ben Affleck, director. Ben Affleck, who played Phil Knight. What a movie. What a great movie. Damon and, so highly rewatchable, highly rewatchable.

For me, while it is a billion dollar brand, it being so tied to like a corporate thing, takes a little bit of the like. Yeah, maybe I'm taking that back. The magic out of it. Because he was also the black cat. Was he? Yeah.

In UNC? No, just in general, like as a lesser, No nickname. I've never once heard that in my life. Well, we've all heard of the bus. Jerome Bettis. I like that. Sweetness.

I got to go with sweetness. Sweetness. That's a great one. That's a great one. Walter Payton, RIP. RIP. Do we want to do a six, a six man spot on this?

Yeah, I got to go six men. Okay, we'll do six men. Just, I'll never want to know this in our last pick. I'm going to go with McJesus. That's pretty good. Conner, David. This is a formidable hockey list.

I am going to go here with oh man I got some tough ones coming up I is a little bit of a separating the art from the artist but like Carl Malone and the mail the mailman's a great one pretty good you got to separate the nickname from the guy kind of like Ted Nugent the Motor City Madman all time nickname Ted Nugent all time

scumb bag draft Dodger yeah fuck that guy um I'm gonna go GP the glove Gary Payne The glove. The glove. I love that. Oh, I love Gary Payton. The glove is great.

Okay, so now this is our honorable mention, our sixth man. Yeah, our sixth man of the year. Coming off the bench. Honorable mention. You've got to scratch the surface here. Dr. J. So good.

I love Kenny the snake stables. So good. I almost do Terry in there. There's been too many snakes, though. Yeah. I love. That's true. I'm going to,

this is going to be. I just remember as a kid when you were playing like fall ball yeah if you played fall ball baseball baseball everyone wanted to be

Mr. October oh Reggie that's true when you got a month named the prime month named after you yeah yeah that's like Mr. February

who's Mr. February there's no Mr. February there's no Mr. October is awesome I'm putting that on even though I don't even like the Yankees no I'm with you

with also Mr. It's so good. It comes with the visual of him with like those like aviators and just like fall. The mock turtle and it just like it comes right with that. He hated them.

You hated it too. And then the what was is it or no he didn't do. That was Gippson. That was Gippson. Yeah. But he also had where he ran around the bases and did something.

Some swag. That's a great one. I love that one. And then Mr. November. But you know. Born out of November. See, but I can recognize Jeter. Oh yeah.

I go against my ideology. Yeah. yeah yeah i'm gonna i might like make it a little sad here for a second i'm gonna go with johnny hockey johnny god that's a great one that's a great r ip my dog i love that kid we had such a fun time together in uh in nantucket for fagaui one year great kid lost too early yeah rip bro too rip to uh nick mangle too man yeah fuck he's bro that was sad it really was 41 i got it just it's you know god dog dude we competed against those guys a lot

when I played against him a whole lot I've heard nothing but good things about him and what a heck of a duty he was such a good football player we talked about him in team meetings I mean I remember bill bringing him up and like he was the heartbeat of that team they went to the a FC championship twice with him back to back years I mean you know so linchpin to that line in that locker room that's sad man national champion Ohio state too OSU I got a lot of you know a lot of guys that played with one we want to suit like they played with him at osu you know it's sad for his family

i know all right to finish us off i'm gonna go with o j simpson the juice the juice what a second this is a good segment guys we can do a part two i'm sure soon here the juice is pretty good the juice is loose baby man i mean also rip i guess rip for sure man there's some crazy conspiracies coming out on that one What's up, Twitter world? It's OJ Mahomes. He was very pro of you going to the Hall of Fame. He was, bro.

He spoke very highly. You know, OJ and Jews in Brentwood. Jeez. He goes. And that was the show zone, thanks to our favorite beer, Coors Light. That was the No Choles Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash Gw-WN and celebrate. responsibly.

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