Games with Names - The Boots and Ladders Match with Paul Walter Hauser | 2014 TLC IC Championship: Luke Harper vs. Dolph Ziggler

Episode Date: April 15, 2025

Paul Walter Hauser is in studio! The outstanding actor, wrestler, and star of The Luckiest Man in America is with us to relive a classic ladder match: The 2014 Intercontinental Championship between Luke Harper and Dolph Ziggler. Paul joins us on the couch (02:35). We head back to December of 2014 (40:22). We profile each wrestler (53:08). We dive into the match (01:05:32). We score it (01:22:41). We hit The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You started wrestling recently, I think in the last couple of years. Yeah, I had my first match in November of 2023. It was for a charity event. I thought I was just going to sign autographs and like take selfies with kids and stuff. I was just trying to help outs and take selfies with kids and stuff. I was just trying to help out. And then dude just asked me, do you want to be in a match? And I'm like, wow.

Sami Callahan, a wrestler I admire, is giving me an opportunity to have a match on a show that has Ronda Rousey and Jacob Fatu and Jon Moxley. This is kind of special. I'm going to say yes. So I took some classes and got in the ring. A lot of people can say what they want but I showed that match to Hall of Famers and they're all saying the same thing they're like that's your first match? I was like yeah they're like if you got in shape and wanted to do

this and we already know you can act and talk on a microphone they're like you you could do this thing if you want to. I'm like well you shouldn't have said that. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering the 2014

Intercontinental Championship match with Emmy and Golden Globe award winner, the star and main lead of the luckiest man in America, and pro wrestler, Paul Walter Hauser. And we get into talking, bonding with Jon Hamm over Macho Man Randy Savage memes. Jon Hamm will randomly text me at like midnight and it'll be a Randy Savage promo. A big life moment with Walton Goggins.

Just kind of gave me like an emotional pep talk that he didn't owe me at all. Yeah. And it was the sweetest thing in the mental world to me. Speaking of crying when you didn't think you were gonna cry, geez. The 411 on his jump into professional wrestling. Straight jacket style flat liner known known as the house wrestler. You made your own move, that's f***ing sick. And at the end, Jack cooked up a very special chill zone

presented by Coors Light. You gotta stick around to the end. Let's go. Let's go. Games with names and production of iHeartRadio. December 14th Quicken Loans Arena Cleveland Ohio. Tables and ladders and chairs. Oh my! This is the Boots and Ladders match! Welcome to games with names. Today we are going to be talking and looking at a very special match between Dolph Ziegler and Luke Harper in the 2014 Intercontinental Title Match TLC with legendary actor Paul Walter Hauser here

in the NUT Studio. I have the first question of the day in one sentence. Why did you pick this match? Oh, I'm not good with one sentence, but I will try my darndest. I chose this match because it is exemplary of the things I most admire about wrestling and entertainment at large. Maybe our best one sentence. Maybe our best one sentence in the history of the show. And I barely graduated.

Took me 19 years to get my degree. a lot of people go to college for seven years Yeah, they're called doctors. Yeah But it wasn't the case is this the greatest match of all time I won't say that no no I think the greatest match of all time from my limited viewpoint would be Ricky Steamboat versus Randy Savage also in their Continental title match I believe from WrestleMania 3. Fuck yes. Pony X Overdome. Oh yeah and that I correct me if I'm wrong Paul but that got one of the best promo cuts ever of cup of coffee in the big coffee in the big time here. Oh, yeah. Couple coffee, the cream rises to the top there.

Yeah, boy. Yeah, going down, brother. Savage also a two sport athlete. Let's go baseball dude legitimately. Cardinals baseball like was a beast. He they called. That's where he got his nickname. Macho man, because they put that sign over there.

Right. And he said he always hit 200 feet over over the sign that's how strong you are talking our language man he is a big part of our pantheon of heroes here yeah well I the more I find out about him the more I love the guy and as I can relate to his flaws more like Hulk Hogan I can't really relate to his flaws but I can relate to Savage's flaws of like he got a bit jealous. He was a bit territorial He had a temper. I'm like, yeah, I've done all those. Yeah. No, I we talk about all time I get in a wormhole on social media depending on which one I am of

at least 35 minutes a week of macho man Randy Savage five minutes a week of macho man Randy Savage content. John Ham will randomly text me at like midnight and I know he's just like enjoying a drink sitting in bed or something and it'll be a Randy Savage promo and it's like there's something about dudes watching like Savage promos.

It's not even the promos. I love watching him when he's in the Swiss Alps skiing in a fucking, in his goddamn underwear. I like watching him when he's in the Swiss Alps skiing in a fucking in it is goddamn underwear I like watching him when he's in Afghanistan visiting the troops like he is macho man everywhere in the goddamn world He makes me so happy and people look at him when he's in a different country like these dumbass American and I fucking I'm like, oh my god, I love They know that was like the height of Americans looking cool

Now we look like fucking more sending our best guy. We used to look dope Yeah, we were very confident about our 1980s wrestlers not anymore. We're there but uh wrestling sports fan Where'd this sports fandom come what and do you are you a fan of other sports or you just straight wrestle? Yeah, so growing up my dad was a die-hard MLB fan he you know worked at County Stadium in Milwaukee and he you know die-hard Brewers but he was born in Elgin Illinois so he was also like closeted Cubs fan Ernie Banks was like his guy so growing up we play stratum attic that baseball board game and that was like a big deal for us

but baseball when you're a kid It takes a special kind of kid to really appreciate baseball because it is this one of the slower sports just the pacing Now that I'm an adult. I freaking love watching baseball I'll give me a five-hour game in the afternoon on WGN, you know, awesome. Only two and a half now with the pitch count, but. Oh yeah, that's the thing. You know what? And that hurt me the most for exactly what you said,

because when you were a young kid, you got to go to a game maybe on a Tuesday night. Yeah. And if it went into extra innings, you got home at like 11 o'clock, maybe your mom said you didn't have to go to school because she was tired from driving. That's so tight.

Yeah, yeah, dude. It's the length she was tired from driving. That's so tight. Yeah, yeah. It's the length of baseball that I love. So relatable. Yeah. Your dad's going through the McDonald's drive-thru at 1115. I'm like, who am I? This is my hangover.

So I was a baseball fan in general, root for the Tigers. Cecil Fielder was my guy. And then we got really deep into the Green Bay Packers in like 94, 95, because we had a family friend who just kind of indoctrinated us. It was kind of like one of those Scientologists who's like, let's have a conversation. We had like that conversation with a Packer fan and we would go to his house for all the games. And he was a good host, you know, putting out as the chip dip and the barbecue and that like it was such a vibe You know this guy had like his man cave to watch Packer games

Shout out to Dave Bergan who's probably in heaven and doesn't give a shit about the Packers anymore Watching Packers win Super Bowl all time right now in heaven Bart Starr man Bart Starr dead. I just assumed Yes, he's quite old He's pretty old from everything you just said right there My mind instantly went to you being an actor and the Scientology question has someone asked you to be part of Scientology yet No, no when I've walked by the centers and they've tried to give me stuff to talk to me. I just I just said no Thanks, man. I'm a Jesus guy and then they're like, well, that's okay Some of us are Jesus kind of like nah Because there's my whole thing is and God bless him dude. Well, it's not like my religion is super normal

I believe a guy rose from the dead like I can't make fun of them that much but but It is funny how like some people are like being vegans easy now. It's like nah You're just like this is part of your sales pitch homie you've been you've been reading up a pdf privately in your bathroom on your phone that tells you what to say like it's not the same thing i disagree not a pdf they're scrolling tik tok and that's what they're learning from yeah but I, um, very much baseball Packers. Uh, Michael Jordan was, you know, it went Jesus, then Michael Jordan. So like bulls fan, um, I didn't come into my own identity of choosing my own sports teams until like after high school, it was

like, okay, I'm moving to LA to become an actor. I'm going to become a Dodger fan. I like committed to Dodgers. Also, I got to see Kershaw play in the minor leagues because like he was part of the Great Lakes loons, which was like in Midland, Michigan. So like I grew up going to minor league games and then those guys would get sent by Tommy Lasorda to the Dodgers and you were like, Oh man, like it felt you had more of an connection, more of a connection, you know? And, uh, and of a connection. More of a connection, you know? And then I still root for the Packers,

but it just got messy. Like, Favre kind of, God bless him, he just kind of, there were X amount of things where, end of his career, post career, it's like, stealing from people isn't the most mad chill thing to do. And then Rogers, he's just been on such a public journey, I feel like. If Rogers was a 90s quarterback, he would have had a much easier, better time.

But being in the age of information spotlight, I feel like that really dicked him over. I just happened to play with the psychopath at quarterback Yeah, who all he cared about Was fucking winning football games and when when there is the Michael Jordan effect though Brady is like Jordan I love farve and Rogers gameplay, but they're not they're not they don't have the Jordan mindset I know but I just I get so mad cuz he is that he is that talented with the arm His arm is spectacular and he can still throw

it's just the stupid antics like some of that stuff like And I don't even think he means to do it. I think he's just one of those guys that is just like He became evolved emotionally. Yeah midway through his career, which by the way is a wonderful thing Yeah, but it does affect the career if you let it and for him it was like I do feel He came evolved emotionally, midway through his career, which by the way is a wonderful thing, but it does affect the career if you let it, and for him it was like, I do feel, outside of perspective, I don't know the guy. I met him once, we did an SB sketch,

and I had a blast, he was super nice to me. But having said that, I think like, you can let your emotional journey get in the way of whatever the journey is on the field field and if you're more concerned about Self-care than the care of your team That's gonna be an issue. Well, yeah at that position specific specifically specifically that's the I've heard you talk about the pressures of a Lead a starring role

Versus a role a different role I don't know I Tonya yeah completely different from luckiest man America or Blackbird or whatever because when you're the star every day everyone's looking at you right or when you're starting you know I remember you saying the pressures of feeling like you had to be on at all yeah let's let's really put it in perspective with the Rogers thing of like emotionality and your duty at all. Yeah, I saw that interview. Let's let's really put it in perspective with the Rogers thing of like emotionality and your duty at work. You know, Jim Carrey famously did that Andy Kaufman movie man alienated people.

But a lot of people say alienated them, made him feel uncomfortable, was was over the top, was unreliable. And it's like. I'm attached to play Chris Farley in a bio movie. There's no way in hell I am walking onto that set and letting my process dictate the emotional environment for everyone else. That's, I think, preposterous.

You have to be a good enough actor to be able to show up and be like, I can still do my process while being a mensch and making people feel seen and being a leader. To me, those those are not. Yeah, I just don't think it's that hard. And that doesn't mean I'm better than anyone. It just means I have a little bit of cognizance and awareness of the people around me, I think.

Yeah. You got it. You got to when you're in a leadership role, I think. Yeah. And that's that's how I feel. You know, so. But but, you know, the Michael Jordan thing is interesting too where it's like He cared so much about the team he gave so much to that team and the organization the players But at the same time it was the him show it was the Jordan show It's like is that by proxy of his greatness or by proxy of his? Attitudinal stance and his emotionality. I wonder about that.

Because different players will say different things. The legal parts, you know, they'll say Jose on a Sunday and crucify him on a Friday. Certain players will say certain things, but not one player will say he didn't give his everything. And if you're a competition guy, which if you're in this form of business, that's what you are, you compete a competition guy, which if you're in this form of business, that's what you

are. You compete for a living, then you'll never have anything wrong with that. He can be an asshole. He can be whatever it is because he's given his absolute everything that he feels is his possible mindset to make this team better. I'm more like Rodman where it's like, I'm going to go wrestle a wrestling match and get hit with a chair and I'm still going to show up on set and be fine. Yeah, I'm obsessed with Dennis Rodman.

That's like my favorite player of all time. Everyone. I mean, you're excited for that movie coming out? It was supposed to happen when my buddies Chris Miller and Phil Lord, they were going to make the Rodman movie. It was like 48 hours in Vegas and they attached Jonathan majors to play him. I hope that still happens somehow. That would be a great movie. That'd be fun. I'd be sick I'd be fun sports movie meets like a raucous comedy like that's it reminds me to get him to the Greek very much

Dennis Rodman go to the Greek meets. Yeah, fill in the blank basketball movie. Yeah now Chris Farley wait when you said with with With Jim Carrey and alienating people now isn't didn't he go full method for that whole thing That was my understanding from watching the Netflix documentary about on the topic did the the guy that he played what's his name? Um, Andy Kaufman, he coughed did he was he alienating with his he only nailed everybody That was this whole that's probably that's that's how crazy genius I think fucking cuz some guys are like that I think that's what I've heard. I don't know. Yeah, were there methods so much like Dan like we were talking about Daniel Day, Lewis Yeah, how he's crazy method

You know what I mean? I have the funniest story about Daniel Day-Lewis secondhand because I've never worked with him or met him But I worked with David Struthairn on this movie luckiest man in America he plays Bill Carruthers like the guy who's the head of the show and Struthairn was in Lincoln and you know Lincoln had a sprawling ensemble of all these dope actors who you know They have 12 lines, but they're like Spielberg and Daniel Day-Lewis, like I would serve sandwiches here. And Strathairn is doing this big table scene where I think it's where Lincoln is like, we need to end slavery now, now, now, or whatever that thing is. And, well, I just made it sound very stupid. It's a powerful moment. I'm an idiot. Strathairn says, Hal Holbrook, classic actor, is no longer with us.

The brilliant Hal Holbrook is coming to set. And everyone's excited, too, because they're like, man, Hal Holbrook, classic actor. That's like Jack Lemmon status or whatever. And Holbrook shows up. And as he sits down, Daniel Day-Lewis, who's so in character but wants to pay respects to Hal, is saying to him as if he's talking to the politician or dignitary like,

I've admired your work from afar for a very long time. Like I'm talking to you about your acting career, but I'm pretending it's we're talking about our positions and gives like a really thoughtful compliment to him and everybody is watching it like whoa Even Dana de Lewis has given this guy's props and is going out of his way But doing it in the covert character sense and then when he's done with his little mini speech how Hallbrook goes Oh, well, I just loved you in the fucking wheelchair movie Talking about his Oscar winning performance at my left foot. And it went straight there and told me the story.

Dude, I lost my mind laughing. I thought it was so funny. Like he didn't pick up on it or even care. He's just like, Oh, I'm going to say something back to you. Has there ever been a set that you walked on? Like were you were intimidated by an actor? Oh god, yeah, every time. But who's like the biggest actor that you were,

because I remember the first day, for me. Yeah, oh, I want to hear this. I'm curious what your version is. So, my rookie year, in our first like mini camp, we're calling plays and the team's coming together, rookies and veterans. I roll up in there and they put in a personnel group four wide, so it's me, Wes Welker, Randy Moss, and Joey Galloway, Tom Brady at quarterback.

I'm 22 years old going in there like, oh my God, I'm gonna shit my fucking pants. I hope I don't fuck up my play. I hope I get to my right depth. I hope I get, I hope I see the side adjust, whatever. Like I was intimidated because I didn't want to fuck up their funk because I watched them before me and it looked like a fucking just,

it just looked like the professional's way to look. It looked like pro, A1. These guys were hitting balls. It just, everything was a methodical, like a machine machine and I went in there. I was like so nervous To now I didn't want to fuck up the machine Who is that actor for a scene or a movie that you rolled into I was like I don't want to fuck up this role or this scene It's hard to choose one because they come in different ways like my first film was called Virginia

It had all these brilliant people on ways. My first film was called Virginia. It had all these brilliant people on it. One of them was Ed Harris. And Ed Harris, it was tough to... I acted with him and Jennifer Connelly in a couple of scenes. And it was tough to work with them, not because they were difficult, but because I've spent my whole life watching them. So it's like, I have to take myself out of being the viewer and say you're you are now being viewed and

like you have to get over that in your head a little bit because You know, I almost forgot my dialogue because I was just thinking like I'm watching their performance because they're so they're so good They're so effortlessly good that you're kind of like getting drawn in you're like I'm not a video village. This is not my job I have to jump in in a second broken rental spot for the people that don't know no it's it's when you're watching like the I'm sure cameras oh there was a there is a movie rental spot at my in my hometown called video village I didn't know if it was a chain oh that makes sense no no that's awesome yeah I know I thought that out the video village I wish you were still there VV our video village is right here

Yeah, no video village being like the place where they're watching the it all go down But I did super troopers too. I had a small part But you have to understand super troopers is one of my ten favorite comedies of the entire lineage of comedy It's one of my favorites of all time. Yes. And I mean literally, I used to work at Mrs. Fields in the mall. I skipped school to see Super Troopers during the day with my brother Matt. And within weeks when I'm working at Mrs. Fields,

I'm doing the meow game that they do to Jim Gaffigan. I'm like, okay, you want to have dozen cookies? Meow, meow, which one did you want, meow? And I'm just like doing it, like seeing how many I can fit in like so the day I go in to shoot super troopers I Am in my bed and I have a panic attack And I'm crying and I'm literally like reading the Bible and praying trying to get in a good headspace because I'm like

That first movie is perfect. I'm gonna be one of the people that have set up, you know Yeah, I was like so scared and then I got there and it went fine. But like there is emotional pressure based on how big of a, as they say in the wrestling industry, how big of a mark you are for the person. Now I've gotten better over the years now, like now, and once again, this has to do with the match we that I chose you know Dolph Ziggler and Luke Harper are not the two biggest wrestlers of all time most people are like the match I'm choosing is Andre and Hogan or Ric Flair

and Steamboat but for me like I am very much attracted to and magnetized to the lesser known people that do an incredible job. And I was always that way, like Peter Sarsgaard, Michael Shannon, Sam Rockwell. I'm fascinated by those guys, and I'm more intimidated by them than a Brad Pitt, Denzel Washington, just because I think it's harder to be that guy. And maybe Denzel and Brad would disagree with me, probably, but that's how I view it.

I can see that, in in on in our field of a guy that has a reputation of being like a Professional first one in comes in does his rehab does his does his prehab? Gets his film and goes to meetings does this that instead of the guy who's like the superstar like that Like everyone is just famous, but like I'd be more with my peers nervous around the professional guy than the superstar guy because you know what he's about. You know what I mean?

100%. Where did this fandom of wrestling come from? Now you wrestle. Yeah. You started wrestling recently, I think in the last couple of years. Yeah, I had had my first match November 2023. It was for a charity event I thought I was just gonna sign autographs and like take selfies with kids and stuff I was just trying to help out and then dude just asked me do you want to be in a match?

And I'm like wow Sammy Callahan a wrestler I admire is giving me an opportunity to have a match on a show That has Rhonda Rousey and Jacob Fatu and John Moxley like this is kind of special I'm gonna I'm gonna say yes so I took some classes and got in the ring and you know a lot of people can say what they want but I showed that Match to Hall of Famers and they're all saying the same thing. They're like, that's your first match I was like, yeah They're like if you got in shape and wanted to do, and we already know you can act and talk on a microphone, they're like, you, you could

do this thing if you want to. I'm like, well, you shouldn't have said that, you know, and I can't use the excuse on my wife anymore. Like not everything's going to be a charity event, you know? Yeah. So I got into it and just ingratiated myself and took, took bookings and you can make a little bit of money. You have a ton of fun and it's a calculated risk I've always done my own stunts in my movies 90% of them I always do unless they literally have someone pull me aside and say hey we talked to the insurance company we're not gonna put you on wire work. You're dead bro. Right but I but I I dude I dreamt of this stuff yeah I dreamt of getting to do a scene in a Spike Lee film

where I have to dive over a rock because there's gunfire. Like that wasn't even in the movie. I said to Spike, I go, what does my character do? And he goes, I don't know, it's not in the script. I'm like, can I do something? Like, can I dive over that rock? And he was like, can you clear it? And I was like, yeah.

So they put some mats down and covered it with brush. And I did like five in a row and you know, hit it every time and he, you know, the crew clapped and Spike gave me a hug after it. And it was like, you know, you, you dream of those moments. So wrestling all the more, the first time I saw, I was like four years old hanging out with my uncle, watching a free pay-per-view

called Clash of the Champions. And you know, the first match I ever saw was Arne Anderson and Barry Windham versus flying Brian Pillman and El Gigante. And now I'm like wrestling Brock Anderson, Arne Anderson's son in this company MLW. And it's like, dude, it's so full circle and so insane that you know

It's like the perfect storm though For you, I think in rest acting clearly gave me a push into like Yeah, well the better you do on the screen every it's like anything your that's your number one That's your main thing keep the main thing the main thing and everything else will come. But like, perfect storm by the whole wrestling situation. You were a kid, you loved wrestling. You're clearly a performer. I mean, I've watched, in Blackbird, like you know how to act.

You're a fucking actor, bro. Like you're a real actor. So you know how to act, you love wrestling. Did you play sport? I played sports I just wasn't like I jumped over rocks. So you're showing athleticism, right? I was I was like Farley where I was like nimble. Yes, I could I could I could tear up a dance floor and kick over my head and Take bumps ability viability as Tom Brady would say. So you're pliable, you put all those together, I mean why aren't you wrestling?

You should be wrestling. Yeah, it's also just, you know, Eric Bischoff of WCW fame, he always talks about the buffet of wrestling. He's like, you know, you go to a buffet, you're not eating every damn thing on the line, but you're grabbing the stuff you like, and it's like, same with Saturday Night Live, you can watch 90 Minutes SNL, and you only like two sketches,

but now you're quoting that sketch with your friend that's part of the fabric of pop culture. So it's like, wrestling is no different. I'm part of the buffet. There are dudes who look at me, and they're like, I'm not eating that shit. But it's like, OK, that's fine, dude. But just know that there's a little kid who

loves Cruella, the Disney movie I did, who shows up and they've never had a celebrity of any kind in their hometown because it's a small town and they're getting a kick out of seeing me do a suplex. They love it. So it's like, it's okay. I don't need to be liked by everybody, but I do have to have a certain acumen. So I take those classes with wrestlers and I brush up and I watch a lot of tape Yeah, you gotta watch tape. I also like I lost 30 pounds in the last two months I got on my hero, which is like ozempic I like got on that and I've been working out and stuff and like I feel exponentially better than you for bettering yourself Yeah, no, that's the kind of hater aid. You just can't believe is even on the shelf

You don't even look at it. You can't even look at it as g2 G2 we're healthy. Now. Are you it says aspartame and a couple words. I can't pronounce Can't either I can't read I can't read It's loosely loosely loosely true take us through your development of your persona Wrestling person. Yeah, you're well. I mean I really play myself right now. I'm literally going as Paul Walter Hauser and you know I got a couple couple gimmicks of like you know merch and stuff that I have. I have a headband because you know everybody loves Cobra Kai and they look at me like I'm Stingray. So I have a karate headband

that says wrestling is not fake, you're're fake I sell those and stuff but like but I'm playing myself a little mankind to you it's still real to me damn it little mankind that's like yeah well I I also do some stuff he did like I do us I do a somersault senton off the apron which I you know I saw Mick Foley do in like 1992 Fighting sting he had this innovative reckless offense So I pepper in some of my favorite stuff from other wrestlers How sure are you after a fucking match depends on the match? Yeah, I've had a match in Seattle for a company called the fi and they've been around for a while very celebrated like classy wrestling outfit in Seattle

But I wrestled Joey Janela, who's like one of the most dangerous dudes in the game. I mean, he made his reputation off these hardcore matches where he like severed and lost part of his finger and stuff like crazy stuff. Ronnie Lott, he's Ronnie Lott of wrestling. Ronnie Lott. Remember when he cut off his pinky?

What? San Francisco 49ers safety, legendary hall of of Fame safety broke his finger in the middle of a regular season game and said cut it off I'm still playing wow he makes Lyle Alzato look like Mark Chimura we were talking about Lyle the other week I just want to say Mark Chimura and Lyle Alzato Lyle Olzato off the field also was in Ernest Goes to Camp. He played the heavy. I loved my favorite Ernest. I saw you have it tattooed. My favorite Ernest was Ernest Scared Straight. Scared Stupid. Scared Straight would have been another president. He already did Ernest Goes to Jail. That one was always like super creepy to me. I loved watching that one.

It was legitimately scary. Yeah. The trolls were like, they're not fun. The tree and shit. The trolls kind of had a snotty aesthetic to their skin and their faces. Now, does John Cena kind of look like Ernest? Very much so.

Him and Simon Rex would definitely be in the running to play Jim Varney. Yeah. Maybe Andy Samberg maybe. Now, what's your finishing move in wrestling? I call it the house arrest, and HAUS arrest, which Wahlberg made fun of me for months over that name. I'd be like HAUS house arrest, and for Hauser, and he'd be like, wow, that is so brilliant, wow.

He'd be like, wow, that is so brilliant. Wow. Like just like he'd be like, H A U S right. And I'd be like, I hate you. God, I'm got made fun of for that, but I, it's a flat liner where you throw a guy on their face. And I honestly, I, I play with like these action figures and try moves out all the time. And I kind of created this version of the move and I didn't realize it until I was hanging out with Seth Rollins and Becky Lynch from WWE. Yeah, Becky came on. They were so, oh yeah.

She's badass. She's super cool, but I showed her the move and she goes, you reckon anyone's done that? And I was like, I don't know if anyone's done it. I do it and she's like, you might've made up a move, man. And I was like, thinking about it. And I'm like, it's like a straight jacket style flat liner where you put their arms behind their back and hit it. I don't know that I have seen that. So it was cool that like this move, whether you

want to make fun of it or not, Mark, come on Mark, come on Mark, come on Wal. I'm never eating at Walburgers again unless I get a discount from knowing you. I had a moment where I was like, dude, that's really tight that no matter what anybody thinks of the move, it's like I kind of created it. And that's like the coolest for me as a kid growing up. It's like, that's so cool that maybe someday someone else will use it who's way more athletic than me and looks awesome doing it. But yeah, to have your own move is pretty cool. 1000%, it's so hard to come up with your own move.

I used to get so mad when Diamond Dallas Page would do the diamond cutter and I would look at Austin, Steve Austin, I was like, that's the same fucking thing, isn't it? That's the same move almost. Yeah, you're falling instead of sitting on the stunner but then Randy Orton did the RKO which is the diamond a lot of similarities and by and by the way freaking DDP learned the diamond cutter from what's the guy's name I think his name's a steel was it there's some guy named like a it might

have been Johnny ace Johnny Laurenitis He ended up being part of like the top brass and WWE and was one of their night is yeah Yeah, the spikes guy no, but related to that guy their brothers. That's Which is son played against his son. Yeah, so this would bet his uncle Yeah, his uncle is who DDP got the diamond cutter from he I think used to do it in Japan They're nice. It looked really lame where like instead of like grabbing the head and slamming down It was like he grabbed the head like lightly at waist level and just like take three steps and fall with him Yeah, so like each guy made it look cooler DDP and then our Randy Orton with the RKO

Geez, wow, but you made your own move. That's fucking sick. Really cool. Straight jacket style flat liner known as the house arrest, which I'm eventually I'm going to, I do want to reinvent myself and be more of a character. I don't want to just be me the actor. So whenever that happens, yeah, maybe there'll be a new name for that. Probably if you go to a different league or something, that's usually what it happens

when you go to like. Or, or do what sting did. St sting stayed in WCW did and he just became a crow sting and it was so over But it was over because and I talked to court Bauer the MLW founder. We talked all the time about purpose It's like the best wrestling is when the storyline the wrestler is wrestling for a reason there is a purpose and you're fighting against not just a group of guys, but their ideals and their purpose. It's like, if you can lock into that, that's when people are like drawn in.

Yeah, authenticity. The bloodline, the NWO, like, these things work because there's a real story. Yeah, that's in anything I feel. Yeah. What other actors do you think that could jump in the wrestling ring? That would be good.

Oh, there's a few, man. I bet you, I mean, that's, people don't realize that wrestlers are like, they're performing, like that, I know it's athletically crazy and it is very dangerous because even if it's choreographed no like movement is still like very little this thing could fuck you off yeah like it's so impressive to watch a lot of these wrestlers go and like be able to

entertain 35,000 people or the whole stadium big deal and they're performed like you're like they didn't even fuck up their own line and they're coming all off the dome and they're you know What I mean like yeah Some of them have to be word perfect if one of the top brass says you got to hit these words or hit this line Yeah Okay, don't screw that up. You got one take so what I don't take what actors in there Ethan Suplee Ethan Suplee buddy Ethan he could do it for sure. He's a guy who lost all that weight now like jacked. Yeah I think there are

there are guys like There are guys like, you know, Kevin James wrestled in high school. He wrestled with Mick Foley Kevin James decided to drop 2030 pounds he could come in and tear it up. Wow Yeah, I don't I don't know who do you see who do I see Chris Hemsworth almost played Hulk Hogan I mean he was ready. Yeah You could have you could have Walberg out there like as degeneration X in there fucking giving a bunch of suckets and shit John Barenthal would be great. John Bernthal would be John John Barrow would be amazing very good wrestler, but he'd be legit

He'd be like a Dean Milenko Chris Benoit style where you like believe this dude is just tearing people in a thousand percent You know who would be really good is? My buddy Kevin Duran. He's a he's probably predominantly a character actor I just worked with him on naked gun, but this dude is massive. Oh Yeah, yeah, he looks the part great shape that one of him shirtless click on that that dude That dude could go tear it up tomorrow. He could be a good heel and he's a good actor too. Like he's a believable actor How about my man from reaching bro Allen? He's a former football player. Alan Richson beast.

Yeah, he knows him. See, it's a killer. You're fucking cool. You're you're good. You're good hang. So Jules is starting to do a little bit of acting. Oh, you know, it's funny is the moment I walked in within three or four minutes in my head, I'm like, this dude could act because they know no no no like legitimately you know quickly if

you know you know and it's it's someone about the look it's very much about the presence and the vibe and then it's also about like okay well do they want to do it because you have to want to do it too some people will be like yeah I got pulled into this thing I didn't really care and I'm like yeah I could tell you didn't care. No. It's nice when someone does care and they try and it's and it works. I'm really interested in it. Genuinely. I have been. I mean I used to do a bunch of I always do like the the plays in school and like junior high. I always had an infatuation. I liked performing

like when we started doing our little spoof videos. I always got comfortable in front of a camera and I like making people laugh with certain things. But it also I'm interested because it'd be stepping into something I'd be so uncomfortable kind of really doing that it's intrigued me. Now what is uncomfortable the actual act of doing it or the environment of being like, oh man, I'm not, I don't belong here? No, it's the environment and it's also the pressure of being like in the huddle with Tom Brady. I don't want to fuck up my job for people that are taking,

like I'm going to get a, I'll get an opportunity because of my football career. But because you're an athlete, they'll have more grace for you and they'll be more comfortable. I know, but like this is their thing. I don't want to cut, you know, like that's the only thing that gives, and remember my lines. All right, remember my line.

Reading your lines really. Reading my line. It's hard to read. I can teach you my method for line memorization, which I stand by. It's just very much, you only learn one page at a time. So you'll always kind of know the beginning better than any part, but it'll make sense to you because you know each each piece of the puzzle

to where you're not going to forget the end because you've felt the the journey of the actual words. You know they make sense to you as you know why they're there and knowing why is part of Intellectualizing how to memorize the lines rather than just being like and then you say that so I say this it's like yeah Cave man do that do that It's very similar to learning an offense. Okay, you probably when you learn the there's concepts So you have a three-man concept one one word can tell three guys what to do Yeah, you can learn what on just what you do in that thing

Yeah, but if you learn conceptually like you say if you're learning everything then it'll come naturally in your subconscious better I feel yes. Yeah, that's exactly what I was talking about and it's repetition to man reps the more I wrestle you know, I tell everybody I I go, to be honest, maybe I started wrestling at like a 45 out of 100. Or a 35 out of 100. But if I get 1% better every match, 20 matches, you're going to be able to tell the difference. And I think people who watch my first match and my 15th match, it's very obvious that you're getting better,

even if it's 1%. That's what I said with Tom Brady in his announcing career. I said, he ain't gonna be, everyone asked me pre-season, how do you think Tom Brady's gonna do? And I was like, I don't really know yet. I think he's gonna be great.

But I'll tell you one thing I can guarantee He'll be different from week one than week 17 because he's gonna continue to try to improve and you'll see his improvement I love that. I love that quality in people which is the desire to be better and and also being able to recognize like This is step one. Yeah, I'm like I don't have to feel insecure about step one because it by nature is step one. It's not because I'm a step one guy. It's because this is step one, bro. It's okay. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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why did you not like it I just thought it was weak sauce I didn't I didn't buy I just like the story I didn't buy what Just like the story by the story of Exodus. It's dope as shit. Yeah, and I like Christian Bale. I Do Christian Bale can do no wrong in my eyes. Was it bad is my movie. Did I just get mind-fucked? I don't think no. No, does that mean my movie bro? No, no Ridley Scott the Bible Christian Bale It is Oh more than OK to like that movie. It just wasn't my vibe. All right. Well, both our vibe, we can agree on this.

Number one song, Blank Space by Taylor Swift. Tay-Tay. Girl Dad. You're going to be a Girl Dad here soon. I've taken my daughter to this concert. We went to the concert. Taylor Swift is amazing. How dope was it when Taylor re-recorded all her music

so that she had the ownership of the recording? I don't get it, but I- Well it's basically her saying, fuck you, to these people that she felt were doing her dirty, and so she just re-recorded everything so she can own her own music. I thought that was sick. That's sick, but I don't understand the legal on that. Is it the same exact song?

Well, no, it's the same song, but it's the idea of like, I am recording this differently so that this is its own thing and you can't say that it's identical to the original recordings. It's essentially me making a pizza at your pizzeria and you're like, well, now I own your pizza recipe. And I'm like, listen, bitch, I'm going to go open up my own pizzeria and serve the exact same thing. And because I'm using a different ingredient in the pizza crust, you can't say it's your pizza.

But I just want to know what the different ingredient is. Oh, that's what you want to know. That's the literal nature of it. I want to know the literal different ingredient of. Oh, that's what you want to know. That's the literal nature of it. I want to know the literal different ingredient of the song. In your face, Scooter Braun. Sony cancels its release of the interview following cyber attacks. I went to the premiere of that movie in downtown LA and the vibe was awkward. It was like a red carpet, a step and repeat, and then a bomb squad. It was weird.

That was a weird premiere to go to. I'll never forget that. North Korea's the thing. Seth Rogen. I remember I ran into Rogen in the hallway of the after party. And this is back, I'm sober now, but this is back when I was like, I was going hard.

And I was like drunk walking up to Bill Maher going, I love your show, real talk. and he's like, real time, and I'm like, yeah. And I ran into Rogan, he's got a joint in his hand, and I'm all excited to meet him and he looks depressed. Not because I'm there, but he's like in a mood. And some PR person's like, Seth, we gotta pull you away, we gotta have you talk to so and so. And he's like, clearly like Seth we got to pull you away we got to have you talk to so-and-so and he was like clearly he doesn't want to talk and

he's hitting a joint and he stares at me and he goes super slow like passing the joint really slow as if like passing a chalice off from a king to a pauper. And I take the joint and I say to Seth, I grab his arm as he's walking away. I go, Hey man, you made another really good movie. Like as if to say like, I know what this feels like right now to some degree. And he went, thanks man. And like walked away.

Thanks man. The studio was great. And I hit the joint. It was like, I passed it to my buddy, Julian. We were both just like in awe. We're like, whoa, Seth Rogan passed us a join. His new TV show is awesome, the studio. The studio.

I haven't seen it yet. It looks like the most Paul Hauser show ever. It's like, we're going to talk about Hollywood and do a bunch of cool cameos and all the greatest funny people in the world are in this show. Yeah. Is he acting? So what was life for you like in 2014?

I was watching all that dope ass TV. Fargo and True Detective, hell yeah, man. Hell yeah. Super Bowl champs, Patriots, way to go. Way to go. That was our first one. Shout out to Danny Woodhead. Way to go.

Hey. Are you a Wood fan? I always liked him. I always thought like a lot of guys got more credit, but I thought he was so consistent. He's a fucking, and he's a great teammate, worked hard. You could tell. He was a fun guy to be around.

MVP Aaron Rodgers. Aaron. NCAAF champion. Screw Ohio State, I'm from Michigan. That's right. Hey, shout out Matt Patricia, though. Matty P. Heisman, Marcus Mariota.

Mariota? Mariota. Went to Oregon. He was very good. Mariota by Bonvoy. Heisman, Marcus Mariota. Mariota? Mariota. Went to Oregon, he was very good. Mariota by Bonvoy. He just signed with someone. Wait, what? I made a very dumb hotel joke. That was a great Mariota joke.

That was a very good Mariota joke. Mariota by Bonvoy, Mariota by Bonvoy. That hit. By the way, December 14, 2014, you know what was also going on? What? Jared Fogel, we didn't know he was a pedophile yet. Wow. He was still eating Subway. knew think about that if we didn't know Jared from Subway was a was a gross little freak

Then what don't we know now who else is a gross little freak who's gonna get brought out Wow you're right I don't know isn't that a mind blow that Pick a random person, pick a dumb nerd in glasses who's like, I lost weight eating sandwiches. Like, who is that now? Tim Tebow. They'll come out. No way. There's always one.

Man. Tebow's the real deal. That guy intimidates me because he's just got a better heart than me. Intimidates. I almost don't want to meet him just cause I'm like, you're a better person than me, I can't do it. He's intimidating because he's given like

1,500 circumcessions. Circumcessions? Circumcising. Circumcession. Circumcision. Circumcision. A bris? He literally circumcised thousands of kids in Philippines probably gonna get sued for that For the record it sounds like there was likely a purpose and that he wasn't just going down there General sounds more It's actually a very great thing. He was doing a great thing. But that's intimidating. He's got surgical hands. It's intimidating to be around.

Steady hand. Steady hand. Every show can exist in like a, these are pretty standalone episodes, but a constant through line is Tim Tebow circumcisions. It comes up too much. It comes up quite a bit on the show. You're kind of hitting the greatest hits.

Danny Woodhead comes up every show. Does anyone else feel like their thighs are gonna? Yeah, Danny Woodhead would come up to you and he'd have like the funniest, most wholesome way of complaining. We'd be in there after like seven double days and he'd sit in his locker and he'd go, Jules, do your hamstrings feel like

they're in the back of a Chinese restaurant getting chopped up by a butcher? I'm like, I'm like what? My hamstrings are tired. I'm like, oh, it would always come with something crazy. A wonderful analogy. A wonderful like, hey, do your quadriceps feel like they just got sunken in the I started doing that as a result of a joke and anchor man

because they keep walking by smelling Paul Rudd's perfume it probably like Appetow is like he does a cameo and he goes smells like the inside of an artificial leg bigfoot stick poop with burnt hair on it. Like I so I do that all the time. I'm just like I'll taste they'll be like try this sauce and I'll put it on my food and I'll taste and I'll go no. They're like what do you mean? No, and I'll be like it literally tastes like a demon saliva.

I'm not eating it or a good version where it's like how is that water? Oh, how was the water? Tasted like an angel gleaked in my mouth. That's what it tasted like. What about the opening of Superbad when they're sitting there talking about their mom and learning her that you had to get a certain porn site so she wouldn't understand it.

Perfect 10. Yeah, and he goes, what are you talking about? It was like the first time I saw, I was listening to The Beatles. Or her eyes are like the first time I listen to the Beatles It's hysterical. I love the bowling website Super bad is this undefeated man. I was dope that because I and how old are you? I was born in 86 I'm an 86 kid too. So like that was right when we were going. You hit it for perfect time. You know what I mean? We just graduated high school.

We were in high school going to college, and it was like, that was our life. It was, what was super bad, 07 or 06? Can you look that up? Seven. In the words of Joe Rogan, well, Jamie, can we link to that? 07, 07.

Jamie, can we link to that? Yeah, we'll put a link to it. I'm going to say something outrageous and then not explain it. We'll link to it, Jamie. Sorry. That was a great roguing. August 17th, 2007. August 17th, 2007.

Okay. But there was a time where like 07 to 08, the comedies that came out were ludicrous. It was literally like super bad, Hot Rod, Tropic Thunder, Step Brothers, and Pineapple Express within a year and a half. It was psychotic. I watched Tropic Thunder like a month ago. I was like they couldn't make this movie now. Knocked Up was 07. Yeah I mean it was good. Yeah, Awesome Time. Dodgeball was make this movie now knocked up was oh seven. Yeah, I mean Dodgeball was oh for a wedding crashes. Oh five. Yeah, I know why I now pronounce you check the point dynamite was oh, yeah Yeah, man, what a run to team America brothers. Oh Take me back

For at oh six Lord hangover. Oh nine. Why did we we had just a streak of undeniably brilliant comedies and nowadays? It's like impossible to find one. We're also getting older in our our comic our comedy is different than the younger comedy That's fair. Isn't about the you know, I mean, that's how every generation buying DVDs and DVDs was running the whole comedy market It's probably different in movie industry more, but like in the locker room, it's the same thing every, like the older guys are always making fun of the younger guys for being softer. And I look back when I was a rookie

compared to the guys who were playing, 10 years in the league, then I was like, damn, we are soft compared to that. Just like, or whatever, you know, it's just like time. I don't know. Yeah, no, I like that you know, it's just like time. I don't know Yeah No that I like that you're coming from a place of logic Too many people come from a place of emotionality and then they're unaware that they sound stupid Yeah, I sound I come from that place a lot to them

Well, that's human but some people overdo it where you're like you might need you might need to be in social timeout Have you met a soft exactly jump into the match jack Luke Harper aka John Huber was 30 years old when he when he did this match that is for wrestling 30 is kind of your prime because you've had enough years in your 20s to learn the craft in the business but you're not old enough to where had enough years in your 20s to learn the craft and the business, but you're not old enough to where you're limited in your moveset, 30's great. I would say in football.

Similar? I would say my primus of the prime years for me was like 28 to 30. It's because your, your athletic pinnacle is still not tapering. You're still on kind of the up. Yeah. your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your,

your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, your, but that's when your athleticism will taper. You know what I mean? Probably very similar to wrestling. That's such a quarterback thing too,

where they hang on and you want them to hang on until they're 44, 45, but it's like, by 38, 39 it's just very obvious something's changed. Yeah, but it's changing also, and that example is changing. Just because of the rule changes. No offense, Jules, but I think I know more about football than you. is changing just because of the rule changes. No offense, Jules, but I think I know more

about football than you. It was good. I believe it. It's a very Galifianakis thing to say, you know. No offense, Julian, but I think I know more about wearing black clothing than you do. I mean, I'm wearing gray socks. I'm wearing white.

Oh, Ziggler, what a stud, dude. Beast. Nick Nemeth, hell yeah. Shout out to Kent State Baby. A real wrestler turned TV wrestler who also now does stand-up comedy. Absolute. We alluded to this earlier, Paul, but absolute workhorse,

wouldn't you say? He's undeniably a future WWE Hall of Famer, future TNA Hall of Famer. The guy put in work like nobody's business. And one of my favorites for sure, I don't think he breaks the top 10 for me, but he might be a top 20 for me for sure. Who's top 10?

My top 10 sometimes will change. Right now it's for sure, Sting, Brett Hart, Ric Flair, Chris Jericho, Arne Anderson, Kurt Angle, Randy Orton, Mick Foley, Dustin Rhodes and that tenth is what changes sometimes but today I'll say Ray Mysterio today. Hell yeah. Or Kenny Omega. Either one could be there. Ziggler's top 20 though. We're all about celebrating Kent State Golden Flashes in the Nuthouse.

As Nick Nemeth graduated Kent State as a career leaders in victories, 121, four time NCAA qualifier. What a beast. This dude's a beast. Kent State go flashes. His brother Ryan is one of the first people to train me in the ring. No way.

And I'm forever grateful for that. Hell yeah. What's Dolph's special factor in wrestling? Well for one, he sells the hell out of the moves, so he's always making guys look crazy powerful and good. Almost to your own career detriment, I would say, like it borders on that. But his deal is that he can, he's like the perfect middleweight where he can do some high flying stuff, but he can also wrestle, wrestle and do like the suplexes and the body slams. To me,

that was always attractive if you had the duality of that and and he had that duality and could Could have as good of a match with Rey Mysterio as the Undertaker, you know Shawn Michaels had that yeah, you know Sean was like that. He draws a Shawn Michaels comparisons constantly Yeah, Billy Gunn and Sean are very much obvious Influences for him whose influences on you My influences are undeniably Arne Anderson, Bam Bam Bigelow, and Mick Foley.

Those are my three. And I mean, I do the, I literally have a move called Brett Bigelow, where I do Brett Hart's side Russian leg sweep. I immediately stand up, hit the ropes into a falling headbutt like Bam Bam. What about for acting? Acting?

Oh, Philips and Warhoffman, Michael Shannon, Sam Rockwell, Peter Sarsgaard, Paul Giamatti, John Goodman for sure. We just got to give Sam some flowers for his White Lotus performance. Oh my gosh. Yeah man, he might walk away with a nomination over there. Unreal.

So good. I have mixed feelings about White Lotus. I think it's a little too anticlimactic. They kind of just are like, watch these people on vacation. But, having said that. Piper, no. Having said that,

that show, I've discovered so many great actors just from watching that show. I love Parker Posey. She's like a top one or two favorite actor of all time for me. Her and Catherine O'Hara, I treat, Cape Land check, Catherine O'Hara and Parker Posey, those three women are like Brando to me.

I like them more than Marlon Brando. And I'm a male actor. I think they're brilliant. But I also like, they got Steve Zahn and they got my boy, Walt Goggins. And I'm like, I can't not watch it. Even if I don't love the season or the episode, it's like, they have too many good people

that I don't want to miss the buzz, the public conversation over. Yeah. I couldn't agree more. I feel like... I got to know your top three shows of all time scripted. What are your what are your shows? Three. With Escape from Danimora.

Oh, I loved that show. I limited serious and they have my jersey in when Del Toro goes to. Oh, that's dirty. No, but actually, I love prison. I love prison. The penal system is fascinating. And I love the escaping prison. And it's a true story. I love prison. The penal system is fascinating. Yeah, and I love the escaping prison and it's a true story.

I thought that was a great one. The moment where he says to Patricia Arquette, he goes, oh, or whatever. It's like, whoa, bro. What a choice, man. I would put Blackbird in there. Oh, sick. Because top three, maybe top five?

No, well, scripted. Yeah, scripted. And this is what, like, I just started getting into the deep deep scripted And then I also love like the old I used to love nip-tuck when I was a kid nip-tuck was great Remember that move that show that's X was on a heater then I I'm more of a movie person I'm more of a movie person to I just so hard because I don't have the time or the attention span always to go Watch eight movies. That's what these shows are They're eight movies now. It's a lot. You know what I mean? It's asking and I'm like kind of dumb

So I have to like when I'm watching a show I got to like take notes and shit like because I want to I want to be able to like Remember that not take notes, but like I got to like really mean attention from for me I got to go the wire on HBO wires insane wires Sopranos, I'm going there For me, it's the wire breaking bad because it just I cried I mean there were episodes where I cried Yeah, if television can make you do that like that's impressive to me

And then I love the first like four seasons of the West Wing. That show is... I watched that show. I go to sleep every night. When they lost Sorkin, they lost the plot. No one gave a shit after that. But... I didn't watch it. That's a little... West Wing, that's a little before... How old are we? No, I watched it after the fact. I wasn't 12... I wasn't like 13 years old. Yeah, I was going to say like...

Hell yeah, Bartlett for president. I was. Oh man, I was. I watched it after... Josh Lyman, let's go. Paul, I love you as an actor,. Josh Lyman, let's go. Paul, I love you as an actor, man. You're up there for me, but Walton Goggins, I'm like a full fan boy, a Goggins glazer man.

What was it like to get to work with the legend? Well, it's really none of your business. I'm sorry. All right. I'll have to wait till I meet the man himself. No, Goggins was, listen, I'm a big Goggins guy. I love him on Justified. I love him in fricking the Tarantino movies.

Like I think he's awesome. What I didn't know is how like he takes acting so seriously. So like devout and earnest in his approach and talking about it. He's very giving. He's like an emotionally generous guy. And I had a moment where I like, on the luckiest man in America,

which we just, we shot together, you know, 20, 23. I just had a very vulnerable moment. You ever cry when you don't plan to cry? It just kind of comes up out of nowhere when you're telling a story. Anytime I watch Mighty Ducks. I was like. I mean.

Anytime they put that poop in the purse and the guy grabs it and chases them in fast motion. I cry over the stupidest shit with like kids movies. No, I can do that too sometimes. Cause it brings me to my like place of where you were with your parents or, and that's, you know what I mean? Like, or like anytime winning happens in a sport movie

Like when the when the team finally comes together. Yeah, like remember the Titans Dude I'm not like crying at Sandlot so much, but I cry my eyes out to remember the Titans Oh, he's like when when he's like when Bert here played by the wonderful Ryan Hurst. Yes, when Bert here starts accepting wood Harris and starts getting in on his own teammates like come on boy, that's right. That night and then it and then we just like you're my brother jewels. I'm just like that that that's even song playing and that is peace train. Oh god, but yes, they're the random crying

anyway I had a moment on set where I was telling a difficult story about how I lost favor with Some of my family members or friends because I chose my wife and I knew to choose my wife over them When I got sober and went to therapy and Merrill counseling and took Zoloft and was like wow all these cobwebs just got cleared my head in my heart and I I got sober and went to therapy and marrow counseling and took Zoloft and was like, wow, all these cobwebs just got cleared in my head and my heart. And I, when I felt I made the right decision, but it was still hard, really difficult.

And I start, you know, we're like sharing cigarettes, I'm a cigar guy, so like I handed him a cigarillo or he had a cigarette and we're smoking, talking between scenes. And I just started crying and I was like, trying to pull it back and Walt immediately, Goggins immediately stands up and walks to me and grabs both my shoulders and my arms and he goes he goes you got your own family like you made the right decision like you can stand by that you can like just kind of gave me like an emotional

pep talk that he didn't owe me at all yeah and it And it was the sweetest thing in the mental world to me. And that's what I mean, too, by being emotionally available to a cast and crew. If you are so into your own thing, I understand it. You want to be great. But I do think there's a way to be able to make people feel seen even while you're doing your thing. That's exactly.

Yeah, Goggins is that guy, man. He's the man. That's what the great great ones do I think Speaking of crying when he didn't think you were gonna cry jeez that was Hit me man Peter Fairley did the same thing to me on the set of the Wahlberg movie we did where he just he was always emotionally available and it meant a lot to me and Sometimes I get pissed at him. He'd be like read the line this way I'm like, why am I getting a line read?

Like, I'm a very competent actor. But that's my ego. When I step back and I look at it from a different perspective, or I watch the footage, which I did, like Pete was, Fairley was right nine out of 10 times. Like there's a reason he's Pete Fairley. And you gotta trust your coach.

You gotta trust the coach. Dude, I was. We're a little tangential, but I like that. We're talking about stuff. We all actually care about that Yeah for sure man. So the NUT House brings us dude you're Hearing about two of my guys chopping it up and sharing that moment that got me man. That was awesome. Thanks Paul Yeah, man, there's just an onion and a knife I'm like bro. That is really manipulative show baby. Are you trying to go viral, bro? What are you doing? Show business tricks over here in the Nuthouse.

He's like, oh, God. It's been so... Wow, the game, the lead up. Let's go. Oh my gosh. Last night, I went down, this is again, totally way off the rails. I went down a long rabbit hole

on Nicky with the Spirit Squad. Oh I love, dude, Spirit Squad was great. Loved it. Oh my gosh. But to get us back on track a little bit here, this was the Intercontinental title is on the line here. Which to me matters more than the world. IC is like the workhorse belt. Can you break that down for us between, like the distinction between the two? For the non-ball knowers. The IC title, the gentlemen who have had the IC title have to have a certain, usually, a certain competency in the ring physically and technically. Whereas the world title, you could just be a big beast

of a guy like Hunter the Giant, be really big like Mark Henry, and have a smaller move set and you could still carry that title. So like the IC title for me is just like, it's almost like the sag award. The, the Oscar's dope, but the Oscar is the world heavyweight title. The IC title is like the sag awards where your peers, other actors said, you're the guy. Hell yeah. All pro and pro bowl. Yeah. Yep. 100%.

Amen. Now tell me the distinction cause I don't know. All pros voted by players and coaches. Yeah. Pro bowls by fans. Yeah. And it's kind of, you know, like, yep, it's, it's internet boat, boat, boat. I knew that. I just want to make sure you knew what I'm doing. And I know more about football. Yeah, of course. And speaking of the IC title belt, it was changing hands a little bit around this time. The Miz had it. Then Dolph Ziggler took it from him by the way Is this is underrated the guy can work in the ring? He's incredible on the mic

He has been selfless in his endeavors and he has made a lot of people look good Shout out to the Miz. Shout out to the Miz future all-famer. Hell yeah, and he's also golfs a lot Golf right another I've seen golf in a lot. He's a golfer, I didn't know that. I've seen him golf in a bunch on Instagram. He's a team player, that guy. Legend, bro. He has done a lot for the WWE. He's a real world guy, wasn't he?

Real world, back in the day. Yeah, he makes you love him. So, he and Dolph had a little back and forth there. Dolph took it from him late summer, held it till November. Then Luke Harper, who's coming out of his, I guess you'd call it his time with the Wyatt family, with the dissolution of that. And now he's kind of into a more of the singles role,

takes it in November, holds it till our match today, where that is on the line. They had their feud going a little bit back and forth some title defenses. You had the whole team, Cena versus the authority with the Survivor Series going on around this time as well. And this was the first match of the night at the TLC event. This is the latter's match.

By the way, that's also a big deal. First match of the night is always like, decided upon like, how do we get the audience, the fans in a good place? Got it. It's like, you gotta burn it down. You gotta grab two ballers, you know? It's kinda like when I go to the casino.

The first thing I do is I put $5,000 on black, and if it hits, it's gonna be a great night. If it doesn't, I'm fucked. Did you learn that from Entourage? Because Vinny chased it. No. I guarantee you learned that from Entourage. No, I learned it from a guy in college

that probably learned it from Entourage. Okay. There you go. There you go. Bro, those poker games back in Kent State were legendary. Yeah, but you weren't putting 5,000 down in college. Speaking of Kent State, he walked in the Quicken's Lone Arena with the Kent State hoodie baby.

Amen. No better way to start a match like, than the hometown kid coming back, wearing the Kent State gear. The pop was insane. Yeah, he was so over at this point, over in wrestling, you know, like with the fans, like you are popular. He was so over at this point over in wrestling, you know, like yeah like with the fans like you are popular He was so over at this point and he had that that freaking music he came out to so

Then take it all do do do do do do do do do like it's weird how important the entrance music Yeah, every oh man like when you hear that glass shatters. I'm looking at That gets me every time Nothing nothing touches that nothing. It's that is the notice. I remember as a kid Getting so goddamn excited when I heard that glass shatter Stealing at my boy's house who had an illegal box so we could watch the fucking the pay-per-view man Yeah, you had one friend that had the illegal box where was was on channel nine I wasn't allowed to hang out with that kid I just had to listen to it on the scrambled TV like it was fully clothed pornography

yeah I get it well there there was multiple WrestleMania's we only went to that guy's house one yeah hey why don't you come hang out more wrestling's not on yeah sorry bro see you Jeff your dads everybody out. The fact that your dad and your stepdad are cool with each other weirds us all out We're not coming over unless you got summer slam Now the cabinet has shit snacks Select I'd like select Mania you can't buy Doritos. Your little Debbie's we're a hostess family.

I'm not sure triangles. Sorry. What makes the ladder such a perfect wrestling prop? You know, ladders are unpredictable. Some of them have, you know, broken mid climb. The worst. So like there is an element of extra sort of danger and uncertainty, which is always fun for the audience.

Probably not for the performers. And then also the idea of the literal climb. So much of what these guys and gals do in the storylines is like I'm climbing the mountain, I'm climbing the, it's a literal climb to win. And so I think both visually and in the circumstantial and that you can use it as a weapon it's just a visual feast is there any time in your life that you've gone on to a ladder not thought about wrestling because I do I go to I go on my roof at least once a month and every

time I go on my ladder I think about doing a fucking something on man be really cool to do a moonsault right it would it just would hurt quite a bit it's just an OSHA OSHA violation waiting to happen baby what's the Mount Rushmore of wrestling props oh wow that's a for as much as wrestling fans talk about wrestling I've never heard that question that's brilliant I got to go with some obvious ones, which is chairs, tables, and ladders. But if there's a fourth, I don't know. What do you think?

Does anything come to mind? I mean, I always liked the tax and stuff. I always liked the tax match. I love the tax. I've been on some. Yeah, I've been through those tax before. I saw that with the Acuna Jersey on. I don't know if you saw blood. I was like, man, been through those tax before I saw that with the I don't know you Jersey on you saw blood

I was like me this shit's good real. I was I love tax. I Like when a dude take the fucking belt take someone on yeah, that's dirty what about barbed wire barbed-wire bat Stairs don't sleep on stairs stair. Don't sleep on stairs stairs hurt. They make the greatest noise and And it got the the the league got so smart when they put the microphone right next to it Yes, so they had mics everywhere there. So you hear them. Mm-hmm Brilliant, I mean that's that's the little NFL stole the NFL stole a lot from wrestle The NFL stole a lot from the WWF when they took over and they bought the XFL.

We used a lot of their things. Steadycam, skycam, skycam. There's a couple other things that we took from wrestling because they're such great performers. I'm bringing the fan inside the huddle. The Falcons recruited He Hate Me. He Hate Me. No, Panthers. No, he hate me. That's right. He hate me. Rod Smart, shot out. No, Panthers.

No, he went to... Rod Smart played for the Panthers. Yeah, Panthers. Yeah. Goldberg was Falcons. Shout out to North Carolina's Kevin Green for wrestling in WCW in the mid-night. I forgot about that.

What a beast. All right, yeah. That guy could've wrestled forever. I got a bit of a new question with regarding like props and wrestling. So they always pull out ladders and chairs from underneath the ring. Is that supposed to be like the ladder was there

because they set up this ring or is it like that's a prop that the wrestler like wrestling says, hey, there's ladders under there and that's a part of the show. Here's your props. It's subjective, but to me it's always the second one. Like the fans aren't dumb enough to be like they needed those. They needed a barbed wire back to put the ropes up.

Oh yeah. To me it's just understood that like the plunder is under the rain. Okay. Oh, the plunder is under the plunder. Can I follow up with another new fish question? This might be better for the fine folks at the Warner corporation. But Warner makes a special ladder for the NCAA tournament when they cut the nets down. It's got a bigger platform up top. It's got handles on the side. Nice and safe for all the players and coaches. What about wrestling? Are these just straight-up ladders? Like is there any funny business going on with these? As ingratiated as I am and immersed in this world. I actually don't know

Yeah, I look like regulate. I don't think Warner's doing anything. I'll say this I see guys take ladder shots where I've seen guys power bombed on them and stuff it There are still skid marks and blood all over their back. So I imagine it's a real ladder as well I know there's no real way to like bump safely on a ladder. You just gotta hope to God the guy doesn't do it four times. James Cameron actually bought half the WWE. They're CGI, dude. They're CGI.

You guys, check your eyes for the wool, my friend. They're CGI, dude. It's fucking so tight. This, when people say wrestling's fake, you have no idea. You have no idea. CGI, dude. But, and speaking of ladders, this was just an awesome ladder match. We got climbs, pull downs, weaponizing ladders.

Great pacing. Great pacing. It was just amazing. But, by the way, they sold for each other where there were a couple double downs. Yes. Now, your double down meaning, you know, a guy does a suplex off the top rope, they're both laid out. You know, that's a double down.

So what they did here is they did not try to satisfy the impatient fan. They were saying, when we both fall from the ladder, it hurts both of us. Doesn't matter. And like, I appreciate that. That's kind of the MLB thing of like, go ahead and have the long baseball game.

Like I will watch all of it, because I know that this is what it takes. So I love those moments, and I love how the whole match really does feel like Jack and the Beanstalk. It's like Dolph is the little kid, the obvious baby face, and then the heel is this guy who looks like

he's going to chase you up the Beanstalk and kill you. It's scary. I went to James and the Giant Peach when you were talking about the Beanstalk.. I went down. I went to James and the giant peach when you were talking about The beanstalk. I don't know why I went to the movie James and the giant peach and then I had to like cross over my head While you're talking about the beanstalk Well, then I thought about Mario because a little beanstalk that always went up. I always thought that was the beanstalk Yeah, that's what I literally just thought you just explaining your ADHD to us

That's the nice literally just thought. Are you just explaining your ADHD to us? That's... Then I saw a squirrel out the window. On a very special episode of The Name of Games, we will go inside the mind of Julian. What was your favorite moment of this match? There's a couple. I think, and this is very nice that you have the match up opening, middle closing. I think my favorite parts of the match are for sure when Harper stretches that ladder out onto the announce table. You're just like, oh, we're not paying this off yet, but we know it's going to pay off at some point. I love that tease. Harper's suicide dive, any time a big guy does a big dive.

And you know, the way he landed, if you watch that suicide dive anytime a big guy does a big dive and you know the way he landed if you watch that that Suicide dive that Luke Harper did he lands right on his arm. This is a 300 pound man Falling on his arm onto a ladder a real ladder from essentially if you look at that photo How high is that it's about seven feet? Yeah, so you look at his arm and it's like immediately cut and bruised and bleeding No, yeah, I love the reality of that but Best moment is for sure Ziegler getting that freaking super kick and And knocking him wait. No, is it the super kick? What hits him onto the ladder?

Because Harper falls back first onto the ladder. That's like my favorite moment. Geez. You love this match. It's a solid match. Sometimes I love a movie and it's like people are like, really? That movie? It's not that they don't think it's good. It's that it's not as sexy as the more famous ones. And like I just, I'm more into something that I just think is super solid. Like I always ask my friends the question, what's your death Romeo?

What's your death Romeo? What do you choose? You can choose anything to eat before you die. And sometimes people are like salmon, asparagus, and I'm like, bitch what? I'm like salmon and asparagus, and they're like, so it's a good meal, sorry it's not sexy enough, but that's my death Romeo meal. I love that.

Jules has deviled eggs on it. I love deviled eggs as an appetizer. You know I didn't have a deviled egg. I never ate a deviled egg until I was at Sundance at the High West Whiskey Restaurant. My friend Abby, it was the first time I had a deviled egg. And I put it off for years. I'm like it looks weird.

Everybody's mom's making them. I don't know what's in there And then I had it and I was like this is a great thing in the world now Was it a sweet relish double egg or was it a spicier double this thing had like a sliver of a jalapeno? Oh, yeah, some sauce and some bacon. I was like I like that Yeah, I see my mom used to make him with I liked a little sweeter of it. My double leg experience was a big deal for me I don't know how to maybe I'm not Cuz all it was like using your virginity to like a Dallas Cowboy cheerleaders something Laker like a big deal. I understand devil day. I mean, that's all my death row. Sorry a New England Patriots cheerleader

No England Patriots cheerleader or something. No. Dallas is way better. Oh, dude, I didn't even know some of this. To wrap this up, one of them, I mean another. This is so cool that you guys have the aftermath. I didn't know half of this. The ending of this match was awesome. Of course, the hometown kid takes it.

Uses a ladder as a bridge to the ladder that is still standing. Gets up there then Luke Harper comes around sets up another ladder so it's a parallel climb Ziegler hits him with a bow super kick gets him off and he captures that belt that was dangling off the ring. Poor choice of words he falls off Luke Harper received 13 stitches in his head after the match did not know that. Brutal ladder real ladder. This gave Zieg glurs fourth IC title six total I did know that Ziegler finally defeated Seth Rollins on smackdown soon after that I guess later today's later that's a big moment too because Rollins was becoming a made man around then big time rolling

stone named Ziegler 2014 WrestleMania year did not know that. I'm sure that match had something to do with it. Ziggler held the belt for 22 days? What a trash reign that is. Bad news, Barrett. I'm sure Vince McMahon made that decision. It seems like a Vince decision. Fucking idiot.

Dude, he's the dumbest. Everyone's like, you can't take away everything Vince did though. I'm like, yes I can eat shit Ziegler remain perfect in ladder matches. Love that. That's real. That's cool. That's like when a team is like undefeated in a city That's like we've never lost in Detroit. Yeah Luke Harper passed all that sucks. I'm buddies with his wife is the widow Harper passed, oh that sucks. I'm buddies with his wife, the widow Amanda Huber.

I see her at AEW all the time and she is the sweetest, coolest. Her kids are awesome. She still loves wrestling and you know, she burns a bright light for him and when I can't imagine how hard that is, man. She burns a bright light, that lady. Shout out to her.

That's tough. Luke Harper for being one of the greats, man. She burns a bright light, that lady. Shout out to her. That's tough. Luke Harper for being one of the greats, man. Shout out. RIP. For real. That's awesome that you picked this match. What's the legacy of this match? For me, it's just a great match to go back to

for entertainment value, for honoring the guys who weren't at the top top most of the time and and also just teaching the young guys how to do it and say like look at the pacing and look at why the moments matter they're not doing nine million flips and nine million chair shots like they do today why do you think that is it's so that you appreciate it when it does happen. So this is just a style that is almost going away with the current trends.

And you know, Huber and Ziegler, it's also, I think they had good chemistry. I don't know that they knew they would have that chemistry, but they did. They had great chemistry. That's, you know, when we talk about Brett and Sean, the chemistry there, when we talk about, you know, Rock Austin

whoever this is this is one that I always go back to I'm like those guys had good chemistry I like that I like and actors too you know it's fun to watch a movie and go the movie was good it didn't win like a bunch of Oscars but like man I got to see like the movie The Judge you're watching Robert Downey Jr. and Robert Duvall. Yeah. I know it's not everyone's favorite movie, but it's still Duvall. Great movie. Jeremy Strong's in that too.

Chemistry. Jeremy Strong, Vincent D'Onofrio. Would you trade your Emmy for a wrestling belt championship, intercontinental belt? Damn, that's like a hard question to answer on camera. I, I, well people don't really vote on belts either, you know, that's like an executive decision. So it does feel good to have people vote. You would never give your Emmy for a belt,

but like hypothetically would you? If somebody said to me, if somebody did a pre-mortem and they were like, you know, yo, you can either be an IC title holder or win an Emmy. I would want the IC title for sure. That's what I thought. Just from getting to know you a little bit on the couch right now, you definitely take the title.

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Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. These are some names that we came up with. If you have a name that you have in your head that you want to use, we can use that. But here are some things that we came up with. Showstealer disrespect disrespect my authority. Told you can't read tables, ladders and chairs.

Oh, my. Cleveland. This is for you. I'm getting my belt back. Cut and ladders shooting ladders. Little shooting ladders. I like that one. Check check goes ladder. Check offs ladder. Check offs ladder. Alluding to that ladder that was precariously placed from the ring to the announcer's table that. Oh, that's too smart for me. I

didn't see exactly. I'm right get that one. See, exactly. I'm right there with you, Bubs. I can even read it. Um... Or do you have something else? I think I like Boots and Ladders. Boots and Ladders. Luke Harper, that boot.

Boots and Ladders. Score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score. Score the game. The stakes of the game. Zero to ten. Decimals okay. You gotta's score. Score the game. The stakes of the game, zero to 10, decimals OK. You got to score the stakes of the game.

I'm just, I'm going to say like a seven. Seven, that's integrity type score. I'm going with seven as well, Intercontinental. I know we went down the differences. Yeah, yeah. Still not the big dog though. And it's not WrestleMania or SummerSlam. It's like the differences. Yeah, yeah. Still not the big dog though. And it's not WrestleMania or Summer's Day. It's like it's.

Yeah. I'm one of the seven nine, I'm in the Continental Man. Oh, Jackie. I went with a straight three. Just it's entertainment product versus like Super Bowls and stuff. What about the star power of this match? At that time, being realistic,

that's probably a 5.5. Just being honest. Integrity. Integrity. 5.5. You gotta be honest man. 5.5 as well. I can't worry about Nick Nemeth watching this and be like, what do you mean it was a 5.5?

It's like, bro I'm not your favorite movie actor. I'm not your number one. Like it's okay. You can say what it is. I went on the 6-4. I did a 5.1. We're all in the same ballpark here. Game, play, or the match play?

Oh man. To me, it's like a nine. It was a great match, like you said. Everything was methodically thought out. It wasn't just, oh, let's throw a chair here, or let's build shit up. The athleticism was like, it was unreal. It's also a chair here, let's build shit up. The athleticism on display was unreal. It's also the two men, nowadays they always have people

running and like, oh, the guys who are friends with the wrestler are now helping. It's like, there were no run-ins, we didn't need a bunch of cameos, it was just two dudes. Mano, Imano. Mano, Imano. I'm going to go with eight.

Eight, six. At an eight, six. At 8.1. Any time a six foot seven guy's doing a dang suicide dive out of the real world, gets me going. It's gnarly. Now, we scored the name of the game. The name of the match. Cultural Impact of the game.

Cultural Impact. Boots and ladders. 0 to 10 decimals, okay. Cultural Impact, it wasn't really there, unfortunately. Yeah, no, I would say like a 4. 4.5 I go 5 2. Had a old 7 3. Had a 1.2. I was high I was going high. Where does it score on all on all the games we've done and matches we've done? It's a 6.2 that puts us right at 81 ahead of the fake spike game 2013 week 8 Lions vs Cowboys and just behind the

Gilbert Arena 60 point game 2006 or 2006 game 23 Wizards vs Lakers. Very solid. Is that list online? Can I read that whole list somewhere? We should publish this. We can send it to you. You guys better post that. That'd be so fun for people to then like search those out.

Here's the top. Amen. The I Quit match is 33 here. Oh, wow. Any other wrestling match? Yeah, the Becky Two Belts when she won, when she headlined WrestleMania 35. Two Belts.

Yeah, that's 21st. And where's the Shawn Michaels? The Iron Man match. Is that when Austin fought Kevin Owens? The Iron Man match from WrestleMania 12. Michaels and Bret Hart. Where's that? From the pond in Anaheim. Oh wow. 36. 36 right here. Yeah. We had Shawn Michaels on for that one. Well at least you guys actually have like good. We got some good matches. Yeah like legit like I know what all those are. Yeah. Is that awesome.

As a head Paul do you have any that we should seek out to do? Oh, yeah Absolutely, and I could I could put you in touch with some dope wrestlers. Oh You know that? You definitely got to interview Wahlberg cuz you're a pats guy Me and marker we're pretty friendly. He's cool, dude. I when you brought that in I didn't want to say like I am my boys of mark too but Mark's actually been a

He's when I was a young football player. He actually was a really cool dude like he's he's mr Boston and so like if you get the call from fucking Mark Wahlberg to come to his house and hang out Yeah, like that was like You're you're getting welcome to the city. You got to haveberg on, you gotta have my boy Diamond Dallas Page on. DDP's got a couple of classic matches for sure, but one of them is, oh my god, him and Macho Man Randy Savage. Savage made his career. Yeah. There was a moment backstage where Arne Anderson was like the agent producer of the match.

It might have been Spring Stampede or great American bash 97 macho. He's like, what do you want to do? What do you want to do? And it's Randy is the one in charge. Randy can say what they're going to do. And Randy goes, I think I want to take the diamond cutter tonight. And Dallas is like, cool. Yeah.

And he's, and Arne Anderson is surprised and he goes yeah I'm not kicking out You know basically saying like I'm not only letting you win, but I'm taking your finish I'm gonna and like that match was kind of what made DDP DDP yeah so you got to have him on and then that'd be guys got to watch one of his matches with Savage because there you Want to talk chemistry those two were? peanut butter jelly oh I got the chill in the back of the neck from that you do a good

macho man like Like your setting of how you do it Because I would do macho man Rainy Savage voice gooder. Yeah, like you know the top you're an actor you got you know how to do that Austin man I was doing Austin in Austin impression last night. I got invited to a Laker game, which I felt like a little kid You know I get to go to the Laker game. There's free food You know, I still feel that way all the time but I was talking with wrestling fans and

And just kind of holding court and we were talking about how Austin 316 came to be. It was like Austin saying, you talk about your Bible, you talk about your John 316, Austin 316 says I just whipped your ass. And it's like, it's crazy that he just like improvised that line in a promo and it became the best-selling t-shirt for 20 years or whatever still for the company really? Oh Brilliant Paul sure Jesus is so proud You know I'm Jewish right you are You are I wouldn't have even done this

Makes the circumcision makes more sense. Just kidding. Just kidding. That's hilarious. No dude, one of the greatest to ever do it. He's on everybody's Rushmore for a reason. Mine is a little more skewed, but like if I'm doing a definitive Mount Rushmore

and I'm like, you can't pick your favorites, tell me like just pick the best to do it. Hogan, Rock, Flair, Austin. What are we doing over here? That happens on movie sets sometimes.

What happens? You'll be in the middle of a really serious scene. And suddenly- Now, give me a director that will fucking motherfuck someone and give me a director that's like, oh, it's all right, guys. I think most of them are pretty chill about it. It's more the actors,

because we're trying to do our best work. And then some random dude on the crew is just watching MLB Network on his phone and he forgot to turn, and he didn't know that it got unplugged from his headphones for a second. Suddenly we're like, is that Bob Euker? I'm trying to talk about it being molested as a child in a monologue. Just a bit outside.

Well. Shout out to Bob Euker. Alright. Legend. One of the greats. Legend. Shout out to Peter Gammons. Shout out to you for coming into the NUT House

and letting us get to know you. This is so fun. I wish I could have done three, four hours with you. This was awesome. This was awesome. Everyone go out and check them out in the luckiest man America. It's now in theaters.

Out today. Yes. Out today, April 4th, starring Paul Walter Hauser and Walton Goggins. Paul, thank you so much. Check them out at... Oh, this, yeah, I mean, by the time this drops, you'll have missed it, but we are in Long Beach, April 5th. We are having an event. It's called Battle Riots. Big deal. Look it up on YouTube. You can watch it for free. And then of course, yeah, we got our next

pay-per-view type event, Mayth in Chicago yeah it's gonna be a barn burner and we've been putting all of our pay-per-views up on YouTube for free oh yeah live the night the air so like we're showing a lot of love show us back click that like and subscribe and see what Major League Wrestling is up to man it's been so awesome and it's been a pleasure to get to talk to you about your acting career and your interest and your love for wrestling. Thank you so much and anytime you need us for anything from the NUT House, come hit us up bro. A beautiful Jew and a beautiful Gentile sitting here in harmony. A brilliant athlete who people are just going to find out that he can also act,

a brilliant actor who people are just going to find out can get physical. And that's how we ended. What a fucking job. Good shit, man. Man. How cool is Paul? Paul. Paul Walter Hauser. He's like he's got such a cool vibe. Because you have this this thought process of what he is because of the roles he's played.

Yeah, freak free. Yeah. And he's like such he's a really smart dude. And he's very EQ. Awesome. So cool. Like you could tell you could put him in a room of anyone, and he can get along with people. He's our kind of guy. Yeah.

I love learning that he started from comedy. Yeah. Makes sense. We all did a really good job that whole episode of not stealing any of his lines. Jamie Taco? Yeah. Shout out.

We worked Jamie Taco. So good job, Nutt House, for letting him say his own lines and getting out on his own time. Did you see that clip of him? Yeah. Jumping off the ladder? The ladder? Yeah.

Unreal, dude. That was in Long Beach. Yeah, it was, I think, the day after we recorded. He had ladders on the brain after that ladder match we covered. I wonder if he may have thought of us at the top of the ladder. You think he thought of Nuthouse? I mean, he had to have. This one's for Jules! No I don't think like that but I mean we did talk about it for two hours. Let's go Paul. Look at Paul.

That's gotta hurt. That's a man that does his own stunts people 90% he said 90 90 respectable he said if the liability person comes out and says you're not allowed to do that I wonder what Tom Cruise says to those people he probably says get lost I'm jumping out of this he's an ass it probably puts in his contract and it's like I'm I'm free the movies He's no he doesn't we even talked a little that Scientology with Paul One time I thought I was so cool I was Being like kind of like a snarky edge Lord whatever walking down Hollywood Boulevard by the Scientology place and they're all doing their bullshit and like one

Time I was like, can you help with my career and they like grabbed onto that? Oh, no, and they were, they wouldn't leave me alone. It was like feeding a pigeon in the park. Oh my god. Like, yeah, we'll help you. We'll help you. Have you heard of Paul Haggis? We can introduce you to Elizabeth Moss.

Obviously, I didn't take him up on that offer. Bro, I just got to say the one thing that's sticking in my mind is Paul came in here and dropped Danny Woodhead references, Jim Varney references. Shout out Ernest bro. Like he got him tattooed on him. Awesome references dude. It's so cool. I love his. What was his? He had a list for everything. Lyle Alzato. You give someone a top five list. He's like, ah, ee, ee. He's got a top 10.

He got 15 prepared. He got 10 prepared. And he had like, ming, ming, ming, ming, different. Like, well, that's the list of all time greats, but this is my personal list. He's a very well thought out man. Yeah. I can't wait.

We didn't really talk about it too much, but he's going to play Chris Farley in a new biopic coming out. I can't wait for that. I can't wait to see his new movie. I'm going to watch it tonight. Luckiest man in America. Oh, is it way is it in theater? Is it out now? I think it might only be in theaters. Well, I'm gonna go maybe I go to the theaters tomorrow night. Take me with you I'll be so down brother

It looks like it's just out in theaters at the moment on theaters go theaters, go see it. Let's fucking go. We can get some, I'm looking to take a seat. Lucky is man America. Dude cracks the hack. Honestly, it's basically a biopic of Ernie Adams in the stock market. Yes, beating the system. Beating the system, from what I've heard. Yes, he's never told me. But I guarantee Ernie, like Warren Buffett,

took all his fucking money out this two weeks ago and he's just like this I Wonder how the tomatoes are gonna be Ernie. You got any tips? Well, if you wouldn't buy the whole company would you buy one single share? That's your answer. I was like, all right Invest in things, you know, should we get Ernie back on we go back to Boston football Yeah, they're already I get give me give me something that will get me insider trading, Lee, like, I want to be right on the edge. Give me something that's not insider trader,

but it'll give me a tip. Right up to the Martha Stewart line. Come on. Yeah. I wonder how you could buy stocks on a team. Like, not actually a team, but the team performing well. They tried to do that years ago. I remember with Gerard Mayo, where you could invest into the team performing well. They tried to do that years ago. I remember with Gerard Mayo where you could invest

into the player's contract, but they'd have to pay out dividends or something. I remember Mayo talking about this when we were playing. I know. I think he may have done it or something. There was guys that were doing it where you could sell out your career earnings. There was like a thing where, I don't know.

That's wild. I guess it's kind of getting a future like yeah when a Vegas I think I found yeah vestible I think oh man no no free plugs here though imagine if you'd you invested in like like Jamarcus Rousselaers what what happened you short? I want to short Sidor Sanders There you go Short! Wrong attitude Honestly, the Sidor Sanders thing, I've been thinking about this

Cause I love Dion I really love Dion Sanders Ever since the time he bought my dinner at the Super Bowl when I barely knew him but he, it was the coolest thing ever. I loved him.

Where was that? What restaurant were we at? Red Bull or something. Nice, nice. I joined Minnesota. Tight. Maybe they're doing this so that he does slide. Because the more you slide, the better team you go to, the better situation you go to.

Who the fuck wants to go to New York with these guys? I Love day ball. I think he's a spectacular coach but that that operation right now like You know the pressure that's gonna be there that coaching stat Like you know what I mean who wants to go to New York? The only upside is neighbors You got neighbors got some time. They got some good shit and day ball. Day ball is the only upside, but like I don't, I think they may have, they may have cashed too much of that, that, what is it called?

That the equity of being a coach for the next year. But we as Patriots, we should be hyping him up. Right. Yeah. Him and the Giants would be a great fit. No, I think Shadurah is going to be better than what people think. Maybe. He might. Yeah, you never fucking know. Because everyone's putting this high standard on him. If he goes to a place and he gets to learn

under another quarterback, I think he's going to be, I think he'll be pretty good. Giants. Under who? Russell Wilson. And? Jameis Winston. Maybe I just talked myself into the Giants.

I was going to say, you go into the desert and learn from them. We'll go to the Raiders. My neighbors. It is New York. You make it here, you make it anywhere. They fucking stuck out with Daniel Jones for a very long time. What if Norris Sanders went to New York,

they want to, he want to, Dion would look like a fucking, he would look like a, he would look like a, he would look like the Wizard of Oz. Here's why Giants. He would look like the Wizard of Oz. You got a win-win scenario with the Giants for Sanders. If he goes there and it's not a good year,

Dave Ball's probably done. Maybe Deion has another great season and he's open for a head coaching position. Yeah, but I think if he goes and does well, he does well and everyone's happy. Because Deon wants New York. A, I don't think Deon wants to go, I don't know, I have no clue. But I don't think Deon wants to go to the pros. No.

He really up to Colorado too. I think he likes to make an impact on young people's lives. His impact in college football is like going into the living room and saying, I'm fucking Deon Sanders come to my school. Here's some money. That's like his like, cause he's not like an X and O's guy as like as much as the other people. So he's like a fucking recruiter type.

Yeah. He's extended through 2029. Now he's football. I mean, obviously he's been been on some Super Bowls now. Obviously. But you go into a two different organizations. Seven, 18 year old. San Francisco 49ers and the Dallas Cowboys played the late Baltimore Ravens, which was

a championship foundation. He knows winning football. I don't know. We'll see. But that was a great interview with Paul. Yeah, he's a how's your. That's a guy I'd love to have back in the night house. Gonna have him back in that house. Also might run lines with them in the near future. That was a great interview with Paul Walters-Hauser. That's a guy I'd love to have back in the Nut House. Gonna have him back in the Nut House.

Also might run lines with him in the near future. That was awesome. It's time for the Chill Zone brought to you by Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit CoorsLight.com slash G-W-N and celebrate responsibly. Let me crack a beer. Join your brother.

The blue mountain. It's five o'clock somewhere, right? Thanks. All right, Jack, take this away. What are we doing right now? Since this is a wrestling episode and we talked Macho Man, any chance we get to talk Macho Man, we're talking him, talked him with Paul. Don't even know him that well. Just love watching him. Right, same. Don't

even know the story, what he's about. I just am so entertained by him. Is it possible to even know Macho Man, Randy Savage? I think we're all Macho Man in our own ways. Who? It's always how is Macho Man, not who is Macho Man, Randy Savage? I think we're all Macho Man in our own ways. Who is, it's always how is Macho Man, not who is Macho Man. Anyways, we mentioned this in the episode as we have been apart for a little bit of time. Jules, Kyler, and I, we stayed in touch, not by text, not by phone calls,

but by Macho Man memes. Distance Makes the Heart Grow Fonder, all that stuff. All this, oh, I can't do the long distance thing. All you relationship therapists out there, prescribe some macho man memes, and that'll get you right. So in honor of that, we're going to go down memory lane, so to speak, of some of our favorite macho man moments and react. How do we sound about that guys? Let's do it. Feel about that. Sorry. Ready? Hit it.

Puke stirs helping me to the left and no puke stirs helping me to the right. Didn't need them then don't need them now. We got to start using Puke stir more. I think we gotta use Puke stir. We gotta start using Pukester more I think. A. Gotta use Pukester. B. The amount of... What is in his system for him sweating? Cocaine. Perfusely. His eyes look like... Like that is... that's... you know if you want to capture intensity, that's captured intensity. Yes, right there. Macho man. Man Pukester. You didn't need him then, don't need him now. Pukester! Don't need him now you dumb pukester. Here's a fan favorite.

Fan favorite. I'm talking about all the way to the top, yeah. Unjustifiably in a position that I'd rather not be in. But the cream will rise to the top. Oh yeah, my true madness, yes, got more to offer. The cream's always rising. Always rising to the top. See, I wanted to just keep on going in.

I could have watched that for another 10 minutes. I was gonna say, that could have been the whole episode. There is a 10 minute cut. There is, I kept it closed for a second. Yeah, it's good. This is the abridged version. You should just start like committing to the bit and just start having creamers in your pockets at all times.

I do it on Fox. I do it on Fox all the time. It hits every time. Every time. It's about that season. Like, thinking about the origin of that, like, was he just like waiting to go shoot? They talked about it.

He literally said he came up with it in like two seconds right before they were about to do it. He had nothing. He's like, watch this and he pulled out some creamers. And now look at it wrestling history bro. Pro. Pro. I saw a woman psychiatrist and she said it was OCD one cool dude. OCD. OCD. You're so OCD dude. One cool dude. You're so OCD dude. One cool dude. Yo! We got Pukester we're gonna start using.

OCD? Who's the Pukester of the team? That's what we should start asking the next. They'll be like, Pukester? Who's the OCD of the team? The one cool dude. That'll be a litmus test to know if you're cool or not. If we say Pukester you'll be like, oh duh, I know.

Fucking Pukester. What is a Pukester though? Is it just someone who's puking, like vomiting everywhere? Is it the punky that got too hammered at the party that's just a Pukester? It's got to be in the slappy world. Like, he's in that family, I feel like. Just a little weasel-like. Let us know in the comments guys. We need to know.

Let's get some justification on what we think Pukester is and how we're going to use it. Because we're going to start using that and OCD. Yes, they will both be part of the regular lexicon. Next one. Oh, another classic. You're a personal friend of Rod Stewart as I understand. Oh yeah, when he did Tonight's the Night, man, he called me on the phone right before it was released and he says Macho Madness.

Yeah, he calls me madness. He calls me madness, yeah. And a lot of people out there, you know,'re getting in the macho madness really super strong in macho madness Yeah, growing growing growing and more seductive than sex You can't say that Heavyweight champion of the world Elizabeth look into the video. You can't say that. I'm the Intercontinental Heavyweight Champion of the World. Elizabeth, look into the video. You can't say that.

You can't say that. I just said it. Elizabeth was a babe. He was, man. I love Miss Elizabeth. I used to love Miss Elizabeth. She was a ride or die. Macho Matt, he didn't finish the story with Rod Stewart.

I know. That hooked me hearing Macho Man and Rod being on the phone. Maybe he did, but we didn't finish it, so. I don't know. He got to get back to, I'm starting to. If anyone has any details about the Macho Man, Rod Stewart friendship, please. Madness.

Hit up the hotline. He calls him Macho Madness. He calls me Madness. Maybe we should have Rod Stewart on to talk about a Macho Man show. Tonight's the night. Oh, you think I'm sexy, oh you think I'm hot, oh you think I'm sexy.

My mom loves Rod Stewart. Oh man. Jesus Christ. Maggie, I think I got something to say to you. It's late September. Yep, yep. Maggie Mae, a classic. All right, let's see what else we got. This is Ricky the Dragon Steamboat's cup of coffee in the big time.

Yeah. Cup of coffee in the big time. I would ball reference that match in our episode. Cup of coffee in the big time. Cup of coffee in the big time. The big, the big time. I love it. Where's the big time? I just like the big, like the big leagues. I wonder if that meant a city.

I don't know I would just thought it meant like all Ricky the steamboat just got he all he had was a little cup of coffee Ricky steamboat. Yeah, Ricky the steamboat. Remember him Ricky the dragon steamboat. Sorry, Ricky the dragon steamboat See what's interesting about him is his real name. It's one of these weird instances where his actual given name is cooler than his wrestling name What's his real names Ricky blood? No, that's way cooler way cooler than steamboat. Let's go with your his wrestling name. Like his real name's Ricky Blood. That's way cooler than Steamboat. Just go with your real name, bro. What's Macho Man's real name?

I think it's Randy Poffo, I believe. We're gonna do a book report on him. Maybe, gonna start seeing who we really are watching. Yeah, Randy Mario Poffo. Mario? AKA Macho Man. He's Italian? He's got to be Italian. I guess so. I didn't Macho Man was Italian. I didn't either. Southern, the pride of Southern Illinois University also. Oh, Carbondale, sorry. That's the real, that's the main Southern Illinois. Yeah. Sorry.

Hey, don't forget about Edwardsville in there. SIE. It's more of a branch campus. It's a satellite. Yeah. Branch campus. Oh, Jackie, get out again. Shout out, Macho Man. Oh, that was so fun. Oh man, Macho Man, I could watch those all day. All day. That was a fun Chill Zone.

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