Games with Names - The Butt Fumble with Vince Wilfork | Patriots vs. Jets

Episode Date: August 26, 2025

Vince Wilfork is in studio! We're coming at you from The DUNKIN' Nuthouse in Boston. Big V is in the house to dive into one of the most infamous games in NFL history: "The Butt Fumble" from Thanksgiving 2012. (6:21) Vince joins us in the studio. (54:25) We go back to November 2012. (1:10:30) We get into the rosters. (1:25:51) We get into the game. (1:42:54) We score it. (1:44:20) We answer your pressing questions on the 2025 NFL season in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Tickets for the Live Show are ON SALE NOW! GRONK & JULES PRESENT WELCOME TO THE NUTHOUSE! August 28th at MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston. Get Tickets Here!Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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They was going back and forth pranking each other. So I think Matt filled Tom Carp for all of these little bubbles. The peanuts. Peanuts. So Tom took his tires. And hit him everywhere. And hit him. Like, so he had three tires and still was looking for one.

It was in the bubble. So Bill finally was like, look, guys, just stop screwing around. Welcome to games with names presented by Duncan. I'm Julian Edelman, they're Jack and Kyler, and we are on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering the Week 12, 2012 Patriots versus Jets on Thanksgiving, a.k.a. the butt fumble game with two-time Super Bowl champ,

legendary nose tackle, and grill master, Vince Will Fork. And we're talking how much we hated the day. Jets. When we know Jets coming up, we're like, uh, after Jets. What he and Randy Moss used to talk about at practice. Anything other than football? And what the best college football team of all time is? There's no other college football team can say they have the brotherhood we have. I don't care who you are. And we're answering your pressing questions about the 2025 NFL season in this

week's chill zone brought to you by Coors Light. You got to stick around to the very end. Games with Names and Productions of IHeart Radio. November 22nd, 2012, MetLife Stadium, Meadowlands, New Jersey. Brendan Moore's butt meets Mark Sanchez's face. Vince Wolfork just manhandled the Jets. This is the butt fumble game. We're going to get Vince in here in a minute. But first, we need to hit the Duncan pregame guys.

And we're fueled up on Duncan. You might also notice we're in a completely different set. Ooh. We're at a Duncan house. Cheers, brother. We're in the Duncan Nut House. Yeah, that's right. How many donuts have you had so far, Jack?

The limit does not exist. I'm clearing two to four a day. What kind of donuts? Ooh, you know, I'm a jelly man. Love the jellies. Love the jellies. That's my go-to. Can't beat an old-fashioned.

Hold on. We got to explain what the hell we're doing here before we do. Sorry, sorry, sorry. I'm all hyped up. We're in Boston. We took over this huge house. There's Dunkin stuff like crazy. It's Nutt house.

We're shooting so many. Tricked out on social. Check it out on social. All the pictures. There's pool tables. There's a pool. There's basketball. There's a wheel.

A wheel. Pool table? The wheel is the thing I'm most excited. Oh, yeah. look to the wheel we had a little meeting with the Airbnb folks and the realtors before this

and I just said what do you want the decor of the model like what are there Ben Affleck that's all I said they look what they came up with yeah I got Dunkings everywhere Jack's been rocking on my gosh I'm sleeping in my Dunkings outfit

I'm swimming in my Dunkin's outfit I'm a flat kind of guy though Same Oh I agree Am I the only Ben rider out here I'm a Casey guy I'm a Ben boy come on team Casey And we're shooting a bunch of

Ships here man content everywhere to back to back to back. It is just 24-7 content. Fueled by Dunkin. Jack's living his dream of actually being I am.

I'm a TikTok day and Kyler, he is, if I do my TikTok voice one more time, I think Kyler might throw me out the window. Yeah. 41, six, seven.

Sorry, that's the last one. But the best thing about the nut house, Jack, yeah, is I, for some reason I have like the primary. Oh, for some reason. And it's huge. My closet has a closet

and I've got a private sunroom. that invitationally only. So we'll see if you behave yourself. This guy's living the life of Riley out here. And then what are we ending this week on? We're ending this week with the live show. MGM, Boston. August 20 years.

We got some fun people coming. Do we? We got a spectrum. Yeah, yeah. We've kind of dialed in guests. We have some big names. Stere, turn the dial. Not just patriots.

Not just patriots. Not just, it's going to be fun. It's going to be wild. It's going to be a fun night out. I'm excited. And just remember, I think we have like 30 more tickets. Yeah. Out of 5,000.

30. Yeah. Ticketmasters.com. Go get them. I'm just telling you, it's about to close. Go get tickets. You know how to buy them. Ticketmaster.com.

Ticketmaster. com. It's going to be a hell of it. Link in our bio. Link in our bio. And I got to say, not only are we going to be there. Not only of our sweet guest is going to be there. Not only is the whole Nut House Nation fandom going to be there.

We got merch, baby. Oh, we got merch, baby. Oh, we got merch. We got merch. New merch drop. New merch alert. Especially designed by the boys. We put,

we got in the left. That's a merch now. I think Gronk had a little taste of it at Morgan Wall. He did. Oh, did he? Just a little warm up. Yeah. It's a little warm up for.

I was up there in the 300 is going, Rob EG, Robbie G. Leaving Broadway girls alone. That's go. That was great. There's more coming. Check our socials.

It's going to be a ton of stuff happening. It's going to be awesome. Go to the live show. Oh, besides the studio, what's been your favorite room in the nuff house so far? I like the play. area because that little slap shaw these guys sauce sauce sauce sauce sauce sauce yeah i can't wait for rob

to hit the sauce toss so i bet's rossby out there going toe to toe my blade is crosby that's right no lefty sticks so i had to go to hockey people we all know how crazy that is so i had to go to a hockey sport monkey you got to a hockey store we did oh do i tell you what happened there jules or in new england there's one on every street jacob jacob i tell you the guy the worker there he comes up to me i'm like checking out all this uh sorted baseball gear looking at a mzuno Mitt, you know, whatever. He goes, hey, aren't you on the Pat McAfee show?

Like, bro. And then I... Same thing. And then he goes, oh, they're in him. And then I come and he's, girl, it's the other guy. I was like, bro, I'm just trying to find a stick.

I was trying to get a deal. Yeah, we tried to schmooze him for a phrase in a new England. Didn't budge. Not some big league chew, though, and a stick. Yeah, that's tight. All in an afternoon. Got to start somewhere.

It's going to be a heck of a week. Hey, Vince Wilfork, great episode. Great episode. Welcome to the next episode. Nut House, Boston Edition, Big V, I got to ask, we're going over the butt fumble game. Jets versus Patriots on Thanksgiving, week 12 of the 2012 season, in one sentence, Big V, why this game? But fumble. I mean, butt fumble. I mean, that, you know, when that happened, honestly, to be completely

honest like I had no idea like the everything that came from it like I didn't know it was going to get blowed up like I had no idea what's going to happen like because I really didn't think much of you know when you're playing the game it's like whatever okay you fumble whatever you know yeah but after the game and once you start hearing everybody and seeing it on TV and people making the big deal I'm like holy crap so you so you're telling me I'm part of history of um so there's butt fumble with a feed you yeah so like that's me you know so that play the crazy thing about that play is you know being a defense alignment i i had a lot of keys in playing in games right and it's and it's a lot of it's like

feel i can tell you something but for a player it's about feel like when you run around you it's a feeling you have yeah i know he's sitting here but i know i have to get it's a feel you know how far away he is you know if the ball when it's going to come where it's going to be so on that playing, Nick didn't come directly at me. Brandon didn't come directly at me. So I'm sitting here like, okay, what is this? I got both of them. So it's like, that's why you kind of see me like in the middle of like Fortland because I didn't get a clear blocking scheme from them. So it's like Nick was thinking one thing. Brandon was thinking one thing. And it's like, okay, they're coming together to go somewhere else. So I was like, okay, what kind of block is this? So that's why I didn't

attack because I didn't know what kind of block it was. And that's why once I've kind of kind of saw in the midst of all of that, our mom, we always talk to fight pressure with pressure. Either way, I could have went, you know, opposite level it, but fight pressure with pressure. And that, you know, and that's what caused the butt from because I went to press it because now at that point, I understand, okay, the ball is going to hit over here.

And this is where my pressure is, I need to squeeze this gap because I'm thinking about my defensive end and my lineback. I was like, okay, I got to squeeze this gap and make a little smaller for him because, you know, I kind of got caught in with my shoulder. So once I squeezed in the gap and it happened, like I said, I didn't realize until really after the game. It was just another play for me.

1,000 percent. You know, so I didn't really think much of it until it started getting all the attention. I'm like, holy crap. I didn't feel bad, though. It is what it is at that point. How crazy was your phone text messages afterwards? Oh, my gosh. Like, it was blowing up.

I bought 80 text messages, right? Phone calls, and I'm like... This Thanksgiving, this is all that we're watching. And we're not thinking, I'm like, man, this Thanksgiving. We're trying to get in, get back, so we can relax. Meantime with the family, woo-to-whoop. Like, I don't got time to ask a million text messages, you know, like. But once I got home, the next day come and all that, and the replays, the replays.

I'm like, holy crap. This is going to be something big, not for them. But it's like, in general in football, you know. And it took off, like, but I can honestly tell you, like, in that moment, people don't understand in the midst of a game and what we have to go through and how fast we have to process. And especially me being a defense alignment, like, you know, I'm always doubled. I'm always fighting guys.

So I have to make decisions in milliseconds. Like, you know, it's just I have to make 10, 5 to 10 decisions in that millisecond, you know. So people don't understand how. hard it is to kind of understand, okay, this happened, this happened, this happened, and that's, it's not even a second went by. No. You know, that's the thing that people don't understand. Like, fans can watch it on TV and I'm like, oh, I could have done this. You know, I would have did. I'm like, no, it's not that easy, buddy. It's not that easy. You know, Ernie Adams, we just had him on recently and my overall, sorry, my nipple just came out.

Representing. Trying to get more of you. That's right. You know, I had to, thirst trap. I had to wear him. Big V. Ward. Yes, sir. Ernie was talking about the reason, you know, why Tom was so good was his processing, you know, and that's processing is everything. Everyone talks about playing fast, but that only happens through experience and knowing your scheme. Right. Big V, is this the greatest game of all time? No. No.

No. No, I mean, man, if I had to take one game for myself, you know, I love the ASE championship game against the Baltimore Ravens. I think it was, I think it was 2012. I think where I started the game with like a sack and a half. I mean, right off back. And it was a, it was a game where Ray Rice, the third down, third in inches, you know, I stopped them for a loss and then came right back to fourth down pressure on Flacco. I think that was 2012.

I can't remember. But to me, that game, because the night before I read, I read the book, um the assassin um jack tatum his book and that book got me so fired up the play what did in it just the mentality of him yeah you know and just hearing how he approached the game not only him but the raiders themselves defensively how they approached every game and what really got me in that book was you know he played the game they played a game against the san francisco 4090s right And, you know, the game over whatever. So he said his lawyer called them like four, five o'clock in the morning.

Basically, Sam Fran, Jerry Rice, and those guys, they were pressing charges for assault and battery. How much they were getting beat. Yeah. And he was like, are you serious? So, but for me, I'm like, you know what? I grew up watching guys like this. This is how I formed my game. I play with a chip on my shoulder because of these guys.

You know, the running lots, you know, the Jack Tatum's. All these guys that brung this type of game to the game, the physicality to the game, that's how I are proud of myself around it. So that book had me so amped up and so, I was so juiced, just my mindset going in that game and knowing it's an AFC championship game, I want to put the team on my back. That's how I felt. Like, this is what it's going to be.

And on top of that, they had a great defense. They said they had a great team themselves, right? Their defense was stacked with Ed Reed and Ray Lewis, Heloianada. Like, they had some studs over there. And I respect those. I love Helodian. Like, so I'm like, man, it's me versus them.

This is my house. Yeah. So I'm going to show you what it is coming to Gillette. We're not for to play this game. So I think that, game for me kind of was I walked the way I never walked the way from a game saying oh that was the best and this I never really cared about that because my mindset was always how can I get better like I care less time to move on yep but that game I walked away saying man that was a I first time

in my career I ever said to myself at the game that was a hell of a game I played yeah heck Because I never get, I never get myself credit because I'm all, I like to see my teammates and others to see I was a nose tackle, right? So I'm the bottom of the totem pole when it comes to playmaking and this. And like, that's a team, that's a team position. Maybe I'm playmaking, but shit. But, but, but. It ran through you.

But the thing is, but if you mention nose tackle to anybody, they lie, you know what I mean? Because the dirty work, you know, I'm always the last one getting off of all of my power. I'm at the bottom. and I'm getting the least credit, right? That's any nose tackle. My game, I made place, I changed, to me, I change the game from a true two-gap nose tackle. I changed the game there.

Because you have a lot of guys that play a nose, but they play in one gap. You know, they're not two-gaping. And I tell people all the time, listen. Can you explain two-gap? So two-gapping is, I'm in charge. If I'm head up on the center, I have both A gaps.

So if I go to one A gap, I'm wrong. If I go to the other, I'm wrong. I have both of those A gap. So now I basically have to mirror this guy, take the blocking scheme, and understand, yeah, if I have a double on my right, I'm still, the front side A gap is still mine. And this backside A gap is still mine. Now, if I was one technique, I'm going to either be front side A gap or the back side, but I'm in charge of one of those gaps. but in two gaping, everybody's in control of two gaps. And a lot of people don't understand it takes a real man to be a two gap.

Yeah. I don't care how great of a football player and how great of a defense alignment you are. It takes a real man to two gap day in, day out, because we take a beating. You have to be doable. You have to be strong. You have to be smart. But what I wanted to do, I wanted to change that because I came from a penetrating defense, from high school and college.

that's how I made you know that's that's how I became Vince Will for penetrate making plays that's what it is so Bill and Romeo Cornell

they had to teach me how to two gap because I had no clue what it was so a lot of people don't understand I was never no stock until I got

to the NFL I had to learn a position all over again and this I'm talking about I'm out of cause I'm a first round draft bit coming from the

university in Miami where I destroyed things in college So now all of a sudden, hell with that, we need you to learn this. It was foreign to me. Yeah. It was foreign to me. And I say year, year three, that's when it started coming together for me as a two-gapper

and understanding the game. And year four, I took off. But, yeah, I had to learn how to be a two-gapper. Who was your welcome to the NFL moment where you tried your new two-gap scheme? This is your new technique that said, hey, Young Buck, this two-gap shit ain't working here. Well, that year, Jets always played us tough. They had great line.

Always. And they seemed to have, you know, their offensive line seemed to play us like the best against anybody. So Jets were always tough, the offensive line. They were always tough. And I played against, you know, the Steelers back in the days with the bus. When he had a good offensive line, I played a good. against Kansas City when Will Shills, Willie Roof, and those guys were there.

So I played against some good offensive alignment as a young buck. And I'm like, this two gaps stuff don't work, you know? But to be in this defense, I knew because my mindset coming here was like, okay, New England Pages coming off a Super Bowl win, all right? In Houston against the Panthers. They get rid of probably the best nose tag

of an all time, a true nose Ted Washington. They get rid of him and they draft me. So I'm like, okay, here's pressure. So they get rid of the one in the best nose tagger they ever played a game. They're coming off a Super Bowl run and all of a sudden they draft me first round. First pick, they drafted me.

They turned the first pick. They threw him in the fire. It wasn't know how we're going to take it. No, no, I'm being thrown in the fire. And it was a lot of pressure put on me and I wanted to put it on myself because I always say, I didn't want them to feel like they made a mistake.

You understand? I know exactly what you think. I don't, I, they took, they first round picked the draft me, so I want to make sure I don't fail this organization and my teammates. And it was no problem with me, but learning the new position, you know, it kind of put things in your head like, man, I'm used to making this type of play. Well, I'm used to rushing the past. I'm used to doing this.

I'm used to just getting them. I'm not, I don't know what being in both of the, what do you mean being in both of the gap? What do you mean take a knee when it's double? Like, what does that mean? All this was new. And people don't understand what I've done and the way I solidified that position how hard it was day in and day out, learning something totally new. I drafted you because of what I saw you do in college, but we're not going to tell you

to do that. We want you to do it this way. And this way, you have to learn. It's like a quarterback, it's like a quarterback learning how to play another position, a receiver. Yeah. I mean, you know what I'm. I know exactly.

You got you something. So it's like, okay, you know, you want me to learn this new position. And you're not learning the new position at like high school. No. You're playing some slap dick. You're learning the highest level. No, it's a real man. Now, when you said you have to be a real man to be a nose tackle, do you have to be a real

man to wear overalls? Yeah, I'd be a real man. A little kiddy keep on coming out. First of all, hey, first of all, you got to have taco meat. You got that cover. You're good, baby. You're good. You're good.

Normally you need a little stomach, but you're okay. Hey, you can rock it because you got the taco meat. So one and the other, you nailed it. You nailed it. Or stomach. Yeah, taco meal or stomach. You nailed it. You're good.

It's so funny, the welcome to the NFL moment. Yeah. How many welcome to the NFL moments do you think you gave two rookies? Oh, man. That's hard to say because, man, you know, 13 years, you know. I had a lot of rookies. Could you remember when you would see a young, fresh body? Oh, yeah.

It always, you know, but I took people, I respected the game and I respected, you know, players, you know. That's not what Gronk said. Grunk said on his first Wamblock against you. Well, hold on. Now, let's talk about that for a second. So they set Grunk up. They set Grunk up. And Bill was in the back was like, they.

And I'm like, okay, okay. So I looked though when I saw, okay. It's our rookie tight end. I said, okay, here we go. So when they ran the plane, I hit him, but I walked back to the huddle. I'm like, I like this guy. I'm like this guy. Like, he took that, he took that, and he walked, and you know, grung walk, shaking away

and all goofy and I don't know what he said in the huddle, but to me, I'm looking at him because I wanted to see, like, do he, did I hurt him a little bit? Did I wake him up a little bit? But he didn't get me any of that. So right then and then I say, I love that guy Because he's gonna be good for us, you know Because he took it like a champ Oh my God

Now how it felt Now he has to, he'll tell you that But what he showed, he showed he took it like a man Now what did he say? We recently talked about it We were talking about welcome to the NFL moments He goes, yeah, I remember mine Vince blew me up

I never been hit that hard in my life Well I tell you what my My welcome to the NFL came in practice in training camp, Corey Dillon. Corey Dillon. Yeah, what a player. And, um, man, I mean, it was just a regular, you know, regular zone play. And, um, you know, I got through and I hit him, but he was coming with so much force.

It felt rooted. Right. I was dizzy. I went back to the huddle. I'm shaking my head. I'm like, man, what the hell just happened? And I'm, and now the player still, like, we're in the huddle. And I'm sitting here saying, man, I, like, I'm shaking.

I'm trying to shake it off. I'm like, man, like I don't, like I'm dizzy. My eyes crossed. I'm, I'm seeing the stars. I'm like, man, mind you, the office is breaking the huddle to get back at the line. So I'm like, man, let me buckle up. And I got back in it, but it's like right when I put my hand back down and the play happened, I snapped out of it.

And come to find out, I had no error in my helmet and trying to hit a 230 pound bag. Was that your first time hitting a 230 pound? Like, because, I mean, we all played college. We all played high school. Yes. You were probably the largest human. Yes. I mean, he played it to you, though.

Yeah. I know he played it in the NFL. Yeah. But I'm just saying. But the back that big. Because Corey Dillon ran violent and he was huge. And it was heavy. Heavy.

It was like he was a slug and he was just so strong, man. That was like I said, that was training camp in my rookie year. That's it. So that was my first like, well, hey, this is the Big Boys game, you know. But it never, you know, it never did anything. thing to me. I shook it off and I kept it moon. But, you know, you're talking about, you know, rookie moments and welcome to the NFL. It came, for me, it came from Corey Dillon. Absolutely. And he probably don't even notice. But I'm telling you, I'm telling you the truth.

Yeah, he rocked me. And I'm just going for a tackle. He rocked me. It's the collision. Yeah. You were young still. And you probably, you weren't even ready for it. No, no, no air in a helmet. And I'm all, I'm trying to play a game with no air in my hand. Was it? Was it an old bike helmet or shut back bike it was a bike it was a bike with the actual bladder yep yep the blue bladder but you know what i played my whole career high school college and pros with that helmet with that helmet i wouldn't play with no other other helmet yeah that was my helmet you know i played with that helmet until i started just getting caboosled across the middle and i just went to i said give me the safest one year for sorry to see you know i you remember when you remember when they came in and

they changed the rule and build was like everybody changes their helmets this that's what the rule is and wood the wool so i told bill then i'm like i talked to him afterwear so i'm like i can't do it if i if i have to play with another helmet i retire you that's just what it is bill i'm sorry and what bill say he's like uh yeah you're fine you know just you know just you know don't go out and make a scene and everything i'm like okay i appreciate that but i was dead serious was that was that a uh did you throw a a motherfucker in there? Good possibility.

You're a good possibility. Can you explain the motherfucker? It's like, you know, it's like a, you know, I switch it up to a motherfucker because I don't like the curse anymore, but like, mofowl, like it's like a, like a what's up or like, hey, check it out. Hey, motherfucker, check this out record. You know, it's more like a kind of cool, chill than letting your attention. I got something to tell you, you know what I'm saying?

But that, the craziest thing is, man, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, that, I traveled so many different places, man. I remember when Brian Flores was down to Miami, the first time you see me down, that he's like, Molfo! So it's like, it's a thing that travel, you know? Well, that big B would be holding court in a locker room. Yeah.

You see him and Randy. Yeah. And all of a sudden, these two, I'd just be walking by. I didn't want to say a word. And all you'd hear is, motho. That's it. That's the word.

They would say it back to each other and communicate because it has different meanings. Yeah, yeah, it does. It has different meanings. It can mean anything. It's all about how you're coming to the scene with what you're coming with. Because it'll tell you right then and there, hey, if it's something serious or if it's something like, man, let me tell you about this.

You know what I mean? So it's all about how, you know, the context of it, you know, how are it going to be presented? But, yeah, it travels well. The boys are back in town. That's right. We are back in Boston for another live show, an evening with the Nut House. You thought last year was wild. This year is going to be bigger and better.

We got Gronk, myself, plenty of special guests and surprises in store. August 28th at the MGM Music Hall at Fenway. Tickets on sale now. Go to Ticketmaster.com. It's going to be a blast. Can we talk about the first time I get into a player lot? I'm driving like a Lincoln, MKLS, some Lincoln, 4.4. and I roll up and you roll in in a semi-truck with no fucking there was no trailer but it was a big

ass orange semi-truck and you wore the overall how was the gas mileage on that car it was actually good was it oh yeah it was I had a 52 gallon tank on that bad boy yeah like so you know I would drive that from you know from Boston to Florida I feel it once fill it once One time, let's go. I can haul anything if I wanted to. But, you know, I've seen, the craziest thing is when I saw that truck. What was it called? It was international.

It's international. International. So when I saw it, I'm like, man, that's so much me. I want it. So I bought it from a guy in Florida for $50,000. And, I mean, he had a deck down inside. He had the snake skin leather. And I had a nice little sister in it.

You know, I had the bullhorn in that bad boy. Oh, yeah. You know, so it, it fit my personality, you know what I mean? Mud flaps. Oh, yeah. Like, we, I'm rolling. Yeah. And that was probably my best car I ever had.

I love that car. You know what I mean? You got rid of it? Got rid of it. Got rid of it. I wish I never did, but I'm going to get another one. What's the most you ever holding that thing? Nothing, just me in the front of it.

I never, I never hitch anything up to it because I'm like, I don't care about all that. I wanted to be a big man on the road. I want to get all these so-called big trucks out of the way. And because when I came through, you heard me a mile away. You heard it. Because I can hit that horn and like, get some people attention. It was, it was like the, that was my welcome to the NFL moment. When I rolled up and I saw Big V get out of the semi truck and he parked that thing right in the front.

That's right. Took up four spots. I didn't care. Didn't care. Didn't care. Didn't care. Yeah, mofo. Mofo back going on by day business.

Do you have to get your CDL for that? The commercial drive? No, I didn't. Because you're not hauling nothing. I'm not hauling nothing and plus the gears and it was automatic and all that stuff. So I got away with not having CDLs and stuff. And like I said, I love that truck. Like that truck, man, my agent just sent me a picture probably like a week or so ago

with my youngest son and his son taking the picture next to it. Yeah. So it brought that memories. I'm like, man, I love that truck. Why did I get rid of that truck? Jeez. But, you know, she was my baby. Well, where's the hardest place you ever tried to park it?

I made parking spot, so it didn't matter. I mean, no matter where I was, if they didn't have a spot, I made one. So, I mean, what are you going to do, tow it? No, I don't think you can't. You got to get, like, a special toe for that, that point. So I'm like, I was always safe. You always safe. But I never had no problems with people with it, and never, you know.

I used to get a bunch of horns and, like, a thumbs up and all that more than a minute. Everyone knew is you. Yeah, yeah. It was Hurricane Yellow. It was Hurricane Orange for everyone, by the way. It wasn't just like a black truck. or a low, this name was Hurricane Orange. The funniest thing, the coolest thing was,

I did, sometimes I didn't even have to blow the horn because people see it, they get out the way anyway. They just move out of the way. So I'll be in the fast lane by myself. Everybody's just moving, it's moving. So, no, that was a, that was probably my best truck, man. Like, that was a man's truck. You rock around with that.

And nobody could tell you nothing. You know what? He did man, man, man things. Oh, y'all. Two gap. Oh, yeah. overalls. You got to.

I'm a man's man, brother. I love everything outside. I do everything. I got one bone to pick, though. Uh-oh. I want to hear this one. Now, can you at least confess that Bill is way softer on fucking defensive guys than offensive guys?

And you want to know how I know because he would come up and ask us questions. Like on Wednesdays, he'd always test us, right? He'd always test us, both offense and defense in front of each other. He'd look over at me. Edelman, what coverage is this and this, this? He'd look over at V.A., V, what color is the team we're playing? No, that's not true. I don't think.

One thousand percent. But see, we thought, because you got to understand, Bill used to come into our meetings. When he leads squad and all that, he would come in there with us and grill us. Yeah. So our question answering, he might not give. give it to us all in a team meeting, but he'll leave that meeting. When we break up an individual,

he'll come in there and grill us with questions. Hey, Big V, we're playing Derek Henry this week. Is this a run or pass team? He's just saying shit like, I'm not even joking, bro. I'm sitting there. They're asking us, scheme this, this, this. They're like, hey, is this team coach like to throw it or run it?

I'll tell you what the first, I'll tell you a funny story with Bill and me, right? So my rookie year We, I think we in We in Manny Council Something like that And he's asking questions And I mean he's going around

And he's asking like layup questions Right So he gets to me He said Vince What is Memorial Day So I'm like Man I don't know if there's a trick question

Or not So I was like Barbecue He said No you a hole What is it? I'm like That's what we do

Do barbecue. Man, when I tell you, Bill couldn't do nothing but laugh. He could do it because I'm like, what are you asking? I'm like, it's a trick question. What are you asking me? So he went on to tell everybody about Memorial Day and I'm like, hey, man. I'm like, big, coach. I thought you was asking me what we do on Memorial.

He said, no, I know you asshole. I'm talking about that, that, that. I'm like, my bad. That was my first question from Bill. And that's how I answered it. The first question. And he had a little jolly smile. Now, if that was a smirk, you know a smirk guy.

Oh, asshole, you guys got to get out of him. No, no. When he used to ask a grunt question, we would laugh. If grunk knew it or didn't know, we would laugh. And he would laugh. So it's like, he would. But I truly believe with Bill, and when it came to me, I can truly think that I think Bill was testing me early on in my career on

my knowledge of the game. I really was and I appreciate him so much for doing that because he taught me so much about football in the game itself you know a lot of questions that he would you got to understand when I was a rookie

our defense line we was in charge of knowing quarterback pivots the route tree blocking schemes cadence motions we had to know

all of that. Which gives you an advantage because if you know the concepts, you know that the quarterback's got to get the ball out. Like, yes, we. Which a lot of, it's crazy to me that teams don't do that. That's, but Bill stopped. I think we were the last class that came in that he did that to. But I think, looking back now, I think he was just basically trying to see how smart

in my, my football IQ was because in Bill, my bill is thinking three, four steps ahead. Yeah. He's like, let me see. I'm going to test and see what he knows. I proved to him that I know the game of football, you know. And I think that allowed us to do a lot defensively scheme-wise with me knowing what's going on, not only from a defensive line standpoint, but, you know, the back end from the defense and offensively what they're trying to create and build through formations and this and that.

So it was like not only we had, you know, the secondary, if it was Rodney or if it was deaf with the calls, you know, we had our linebackers with the calls. Now he have trust that, okay, I know Vince would be able to get calls out, get us lined up up front. And it allowed us to play so much faster as a defense. And I, you know, I credit all of that to build because how he taught me the game, I thought I knew the game, but, you know, sitting down, having a conversation with him, you know right away, like, I don't know much about what I think I do. Um, so I, I, I, I always think all up because he meant a lot to me not only in my personal life and the friendship we have and we built over the years, but as a coach, what he was allowed to coach and teach me, that's why I became the player I became. And that's why I moved from nose tackle to a defensive tackle to an end and then knock and flop to go to this side.

So I didn't do, I didn't play a nose tradition like any other two gap nose. because Bill had the luxury of moving, moving me in different positions, and I can produce it those positions. So it just allowed us as a team in defense to manipulate a lot of play calling from my offense and start seeing the point, you know, because they never knew what I was going to be, you know. And a lot of it is common sense, though, which is, all right, take best defensive alignment, put him on worse offense alignment,

may not be in traditional spot, but that's weakness. And then you win, you know what I mean? Like, well, you, but like, it's crazy. Like, I watch a lot of these defenses, and I'm like, are we, we, I guess we're just that much smarter because I was out, I'm sitting here. And I was talking to Antonio Gates. We did a show together. And he doesn't realize that I was in seventh grade when he was talking about the game that he was playing. I'm like, I wasn't in this game.

But the whole time he keeps on talking to me, how the fuck we lose these patrons? And it hits to me, like, it's because. Because we were, like, what you're talking about. We were the smartest football team by far. Yeah, yeah, we were. We always was. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't just know your position.

You knew the rhyming reason why you were doing what you were doing. Yeah. It's a lot of times I lined up and I knew we had teams where, first player of the game, I'm lined up somewhere opposite and then knows because office line was said. You know, yeah, I got a lot of old crap, didn't realize I was going to be over there. So now I know, okay, now I'm playing with your scheme because. everything you prepare for, it's not it. So now you have to go back to the drawing board

and you have to figure out, okay, where events are going to be, what they're going to be playing. We thought it was going to be this. But now, but, yeah, I remember, like, there's a lot of offensive linemen like, oh, crap, you over here? What you're doing over here?

Yeah. The screw your play up. Simple as that. Now, a guy you played with on those defenses is now the head coach of the New England Patriots, Mike Vrable. Love it. What are your thoughts on that?

I love it. You know, and the thing is, I had the luxury to be a player with Mike. And in Houston, he was a linebacker's coach. So coach for Mike, I mean, play for Mike. And I always knew since the time, our playing days, that he was going to be a head coach. I always knew that. I mean, he was a coach. Like, no doubt in my mind that was going to happen.

And I love that move because he's going to get the best out of everybody. Yeah. And he's very smart when it comes to the game of football. he knows exactly what he's doing he know how he knows how he wanted to deliver messages he's outspoken if he believe in something he believe in it

if he don't like something he'll tell you I mean he'll speak his mind but at the same time the respect that he receives is because what he pour out so I think we're in good hands with Mike I really do believe we're going to do we're going to do some wonders this year I mean we're going to sell a different football team

this year. And I'm expecting for us to shock a lot of people, you know, just because of, I know Mike as a person and the player and the coach. I've already known him. I know it. And they spend money. Yeah. They're going to spend, guess what? He ain't for the highest hand. If he wants somebody, he's going to let him know, we need this player. I don't want him. We need him. He'll tell him, you know, and that's what I love about him. He's a player's coach. But at the same time, he's disciplined. He's going to have a smart football team not going to make a lot of dumb mistakes um and they're going to play hard for him they're going to play hard for him so i'm excited about it i'm happy that you know we did get mike you know um if that was the choice i love that we went and grabbed him because

i think he'll do wonders for us yeah you think these teams are going to look more like our old teams yeah not in some capacity yeah i think one of the main things we want to get is the competitiveness um and aggressive play i think and a smart team you know so So you're going to see, we're going to look apart. We're going to look like we know what we're doing. You know, the past four or five years, we didn't look like that. You know, the past four or five years, you know what we looked like? We looked like teens we used to talk about.

Yeah. Like, how you do that? That's how we used to look. I don't think we'll look like that. Special teams, this. Yeah, we're going to be coached very, very well and hard. And we're going to play hard. We are.

What's the difference between raves as a coach and a player? Really nothing. Really nothing. Really nothing. That's why when I played with him, he's the same guy as a coach thing when I played with him. You got to understand, I've seen Vrae, him and Tom Brady go at it on the sideline or practicing. You know, I've seen Braves walking out a quarterback's meeting with Tom. I've seen Rave and Tom walking down a hallway with a playbook talking about this.

I've seen Vrae and Tom talking about skiing. I saw and I heard Vrae. tell Tom, that would never work against this guy. I've seen it. So the respect, Tom gave him for input in what he was trying to do. That tells you everything. What was the worst thing

you ever heard Coach Frable say to Tom? I mean, it got F you, F you, no F you. Nothing was off limits. Yeah, F bonds was always a part of it. He didn't care who you or Bill get F bombs. Brave, man, look here. When I tell you when Mike believe in

something, he's going to stand firm in it. And he's going to tell you why. That's what I love about it. Was he a smart shit talker? Yeah, he was, yeah. So he, like, pulled something out of the cutties. I've been on the field with a call come in and raise, he'll shake a head, this is not going to

work. I've been in the huddle with him. Or when we in the meeting room, that's not going to work. And he'll tell you why. He was so smart as a player. It was just, you would never believe that he was a linebacker. The way he saw the game, he saw it as a head coach. Scenario, situation. He's seen it as a head coach as a player. Now, this just popped it in my head. Do you think Bill liked Rabel more than you because he let him play

offense and gave him a touchdown pass? Man, look, that's one thing I regret with Bill. Like, come on, Bill. Like, and the crazy thing is, pullback? But the thing is, he did Seymour. He let Seymour line up in the back field. So I'm like, man, listen, no, no shade towards anybody, but I was the best, I was the best athlete on the defense hands down tell them straight up i returned kicks in high school i kicked the ball in high school i did i played every position you could possibly name on on the field one one position i would never play it's in her but i tried it and i hated it yeah but i played every position like i played basketball i dunk basketball i did all of that i was the greatest pound

for pound athletes on the pages. I mean, Jamie Collins pretty tight, but listen here, a guy my size to do what I did, come without for the play this. I play lineback, I dropped in cover, like I could do all of that. And you could dance. I could dance. Like a ballerina. I could dance.

My footwork was good. That's what people don't realize you're 345 pounds and you could move like a ballerina. So for me not to be on the offensive side of the ball when I see a lot of guys, not just from us, but other teams, you know, putting their guys in the background that's, you know, have some athleticism to them, you know, that was kind of bombed out for me. Now, would that be a perfect moment to use if Bill, you saw Bill, mofow? Oh, I hear them with that. You hit him with that.

Yeah, you muoful. You should have, oh, yeah, he would have got one of those. And the contents, he would have been like, TV, yeah, all right. But I, that's one thing I really wish, you know, it's just, I wanted that so bad to be on And I remember talking to Josh McDaniels one day. I'm like, come with Josh, just let me, I'll block. I don't even want the, I just want to be over there and block and to show you. Like, I can block, you know?

No bill, no bill's not going to go for that. Why? Why? I don't want the ball. I'm a decoy. But I can catch. Like I call those punts. I'm telling you, V.

Return punt, like, listen, return punt, like, listen, I did it all. They didn't utilize me like they should. should have they should they did that's some bull maybe bill didn't wanted me to be great maybe that's maybe that's the problem that's what it is I'm gonna have to call bill and like what was that all about I mean can we talk where you're where you I know you had a lot of in crazy sacks TFLs but were your favorite stats the interceptions yeah absolutely got it with ball in the hand absolutely like you know because you have to understand I was I was a risk taker And I knew if I wanted to make plays, I had to be basically sure of a play because if I went out there and kind of went against the grain and it didn't work, Bill had my head and he had every right to have my head, you know?

So that just came from film so that I always went into one every game saying, listen, I want to steal a play. What play can I steal, right? I've always, that's, that was my motto. Still a play, just steal a play, just one play, just steal a play, just steal a play. for the majority of the time when I got to that point in my career where I said, you know, when I came up with that,

I stole a lot of plays. And that's why you have the moments like Big V did that or the screenplay against Buffalo when I declared that guy. Even, I think it was a Sunday night or Monday night against Pittsburgh at home where I spent out of the other team and I hit Ben Rotherberg

soon as he came out of the play action fake, the interception. So it was things I did where I stole plays, but I studied it. Yeah. You know, I did a lot of studying and preparing for that stuff. And plus, I was a junkie in the film room.

So I never let anybody off the hook. Never. I mean, I was going to be on your neck from first snap to the last nap because I knew it was going to be something that you were going to give me, and I was going to steal a play. And that's how I operated my career. Now, what's running through your head when you have the ball in your hands? House call?

Man, nope. Just run. Just run. Now, I can see here and tell you all day, oh, man, if I ever get the football, this is what I'm going to do. And I'm going to get up and I'm going to dance. I'm a woo, woo, woo, man, let me tell you something. Those 60 yards look like I'm a thousand yards away. The only thing I said was just running, it'll get there sooner rather than later, you know.

But when you have a ball in your hands, you realize how fast other people are. Yeah. They're fast. They're fast. And you realize how far the goal line is, it's, it's, far. You know, it's like, it's far. So I had all those moments where I'm like, oh, I'm going to do this. I'm going to dance. I'm like, nah, I don't got time for that. Man, I was just trying to run and get there, but it seemed like I wouldn't go anywhere. But ball security was always on. That thing was

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How is that experience? Well, it's a brotherhood. There's no other. college football team can say they have the brotherhood we have. I don't care who you are. I don't care if you Alabama. I don't care if you USC. I don't care if you're Georgia. I don't, I don't, you, Ohio State. You don't have the brotherhood we have. Plain and simple. And that's how we rock. We would tell you what we feel about you and we wouldn't care. We were punching your face. We would not care. But the brotherhood, it started way before us because I

remember when I was down there, you know, I had the old guys, Michael Irvin, Cortez, Kennedy, and Ray and all those guys come back and they're on the sideline they're pouring into us and they're telling us what it means to be a hurricane this is this is what you'll get you'll get hall of famous coming to your practice you'll get hall of famous sitting and talking and chopping it up and teaching in the game you'll get hall of famous that's coming in your meet room and telling you hey you can't that's what we get so we are so different than any other universally there's no comparison it's just not because of what we stand for. I can not talk to a guy for a year, right?

And then we link up, it's like we never miss the beat. No. You know what I'm saying? So in our brotherhood is strong. When you see one, you see about 20. Yeah. We roll in gangs and packs, you know what I mean? Some of these, I mean, you play with Clinton Portis, Jeremy Shockey,

Andre Johnson, Frank Gore, Ed Reed, Sean Taylor. John Vilmo, DJ Williams, DJ Williams, Brian McKinney. Who's on your Mount Rushmore of Miami Hurricanes? Man, that's so hard. Like, because we have so many great players. My first and foremost I put on is Ed Reed. And it's down. You know, Ed Reed is, he's a staple of a hurricane.

And I would go Jerome Brown. Jerome Brown. J.B. He was, he was like the one that started the defense of tackle trend. And then it's like, you have to, I mean, Ray, right? I mean, Ray. And then, of course, it's like, you got Andre Johnson. Like, pick him.

Andre Johnson, Michael Irvin, who you want to send? Like, pick one of them. I know. It's tough. You know, even with defensive tackles, you still got Warren Sapp out there. You got Cortez-Kennie out there. You got Russell Melley out there. So, like, you can't go wrong because the amount of players we had in the careers they had.

One thing I always loved about us. University of Miami being in the NFL, it's the longevity we had in the NFL. Oh, yeah. We have longevity with guys 10, 11, 12 plus years, the durability.

Look at Frank Gore. I mean, Frank Gore. I mean, Willis McGill, like, just look at Frank, for instance. It's like, man, his career. Spectacular. And I'm going to tell you, just like the head.

When I seen Frank as a freshman, I didn't know how good he was. I just knew he was good. He was decent, right? But I didn't know how really good he was until he got a chance to get to the league and show that thing all over the year. And now he's one of the top leading rushes everywhere. He's going to be a Hall of Fame.

Yeah. And mind you, he was a third back, third string behind Clinton, behind Willis McGahey. Yeah. And then it was Frank. And we all on one team. It's crazy. I mean, I remember when you guys won that Natty in 01. Ken Dorsey.

That's right. Dorsey. Ken Dorsey, he was from my area. And we went to the same quarterback coach Because I was playing quarterback And he like That was like How was it winning in a Natty?

Well the thing is when we won that Natty You know It was always big talk about Nebraska And they tradition And this and that other And I'm like We went to the Disney Disneyland whatever it was

Disney World out there And they were looking at us Like we were gods And we knew then We was going to beat their heads in because they were looking at us like they seen a ghost. Yeah. Holy crap.

I'm like, yeah. So we knew going into that, we was going to beat the dog crap out of it. We knew that. Like, our toughest game getting to that was, you know, we had the scare in BC and the end of the Virginia Tech game when we got us to the Rose Bowl. They almost got you. But, yeah. I mean, it was, but the naddy itself, no, man, no match.

No match. No match. Whatsoever. Is that one of the top in college football team? teams of all time. Absolutely. It is. It is. The best. The best. I don't care who you pair. I don't care. Name it. Who are some of the all-time? Go into this roster. The USC, 2004, 20, 25. It wouldn't have been the matter. What about some of the earlier Miami teams? Only they say that 80. 88. 80. 80. They think the 80, one of the eight, I think it's the

88 or 86, whatever. They think that I'm like, no. Because what we had, well, we had, we had depth. You have to understand I was a backup. Yeah. You still that tells you all the depth you need to know. You understand? So it's like it didn't matter. Like when we took one guy out and one going in, we didn't miss

a beat. Yeah. So, you know, now you have guys that if one guy got out the field, it's like everything go to crap. Not us. Like, we had guys rolling in that can go start at any other college there is. It's not a lot of players that play up elsewhere that can come there and start on that team.

That running back room Clinton Portis, Willis McGee Frankor and Najee Davenport That's a college running back And the crazy thing And Najee Davenport He was a halfback In order for him to play

And be on the field He moved a fullback Yeah I mean it's Larry Coker The greatest recruiter of all time I just be like Well you got to understand

Butch Davis It was Bush Davis Oh yeah Bucch's son He went to Cleveland Who says that all the time Yeah What do you butcher's son

Yeah, exactly. So it's Butch recruited and then Butch went to Cleveland after the Sugar Bowl and Coker inherited that team. You know what I mean? So all Coker had to do it just show up the work. Yeah. He wasn't doing nothing. Like, listen here.

We monitor ourselves. I'm going to tell you how good. We were so good. We play on Saturday. So our Friday practice, what was it? We travel Friday. Okay, our Friday practice, I walk throughs. we would be there about three hours early

and we would go play like a pickup game of football. That's what we would do. Just to tackle? No, just too in touch, whatever. But that's how committed we was like as a brotherhood. Like coaches didn't have to worry about if somebody going to be on time. Like, no, we were already three hours.

And then it got to a point where the coaches would get there just to see us play a little touch football. You know what I mean? So our camaraderie is unmatched. What we had, it's unmatched. Is this, was this the camaraderie, like during this camaraderie, is this where you developed the grill skills? No. No, the grill skills came from my father.

I mean, my daddy was known for cooking barbecue. That's just what it was. And, you know, I always was like my dad's a little helper. Me and my brother, my dad's a little helper. You know, I always was a little guy just running. I always wanted to be with my pops. And my pops would run and he's like, hey, go get this. Go get me in beer.

I got to have it. Go get me this pepper. I got to have him. Anything he needed, he always added, got to have it to it, right? So I would do it. You know,

and I would sit and watch my daddy where I grew up at, we stayed on a corner on a busy, like a busy street. So anytime they saw my father out there with a grill, people would stop by.

Yeah. So it's nothing to have 20 people at our house, you know, eating my daddy food. And I always told myself, I say, I want people to be able to eat my barbecue like this

and eat my food like this, right? And my daddy used to make this barbecue sauce. And I could make it to this day from scratch. He used to make this barbecue sauce that people would love. Yeah. I mean, he would love. So I got to a point, and you got to understand, I'm like the fourth generation of cooking.

You know, my mama, my grandma, my greats. They're all cooks. Like, my mama used to burn, you know what I mean? My dad was a barbecue guy, but my mama did it all, you know. So, you know, when I retired, you know, when you retire, you're trying to figure out, okay, what's net? You know, what I'm going to do next? And I tried so many different things. And nothing stuck with me, right?

Until, I think it was 20, 23. We was up here and staying at the four seasons, me and my wife. We stand in the four seasons, and we looked out the window, and they have a farmer's market out there. And I said, we're going to do that. I'm going to create this barbecue sauce. We're going to do that. We're going to call it barbecue sauce. Got to have it.

G.H. We're coming to do that. That was two years ago. We coming to do that. Because I saw the farmer's spark and I've seen all the people out there. And everywhere I'll go, people always ask about my barbecue, this, that, and other. So I just got to a point one day. I said, you know what?

I'm going to stick to what I know and what I love. And that's food. I've been at it since I was a kid, you know. So G-H-I got to have it. Just like, you know, in football, we have got-to-have-a-situation. Got to have it, right? So it's like, that's the greatest. And that's what your dad used to say all the time.

And, yes, so when I got to the NFL, when I started putting all this together, I'm like, man, you know what? I grew up here and got to have it. And then I get to the NFL, and now Bill said, hey, and it's got-to-have-a-s situation, this is how we going to handle it. Got to have this. So I'm like, it's a no-brainer for me to recreate something my father showed me as a little kid and just perfected. So he can be proud of my product I have. And that's where G.H.I come from and the sauce come from is in my blood.

Like I said, my daddy was, I mean, you talk, go back to my hometown and talk about Mr. Willford barbecue. Like, it was to die for it. So, and then, you know, when I left New England, I moved to Texas, and I get around all these guys. That's all they do for a living is cook and barbecue. I was in heaven. So, you know, I went around these guys and just picked their brain and eat and, you know,

just learn about different stuff and bar up stuff. And then, you know, just out, like I say, in 23, they'd hit me. Look at it in that formal one while I could say, this is what I'm going to do. I'm going to come out with a barbecue sauce, got to have it, GHI, and we're going to rock it. And that's where we're at. It's such a perfect name. Yeah. So good.

So good. So got to have it, baby. Got to have it, 75, that is. Got to have it 75, baby. Now, what was Pops' his best dish on the barbecue? What did he... It was ribs and chicken.

Ribs and chicken. Now, is it beef rib or is it pork? Pork. Back then, beef, we ain't... The only thing, beef was burgers and steaks. Yep. Back then, when my father fired that pit up and anybody else that fired that pick up back then, man,

it was ribs. That's what we're doing. Oh, yeah. You know, and... Are they saucy or they dry? No, see. I don't know. know the difference.

Dry. So dry rub is just seasoning. You don't need sauce for it. And then you put the sauce on after. And normally if you want sauce, you can put it on after. But normally when you have, if you have a good dry rub, you don't need sauce. But a lot of people like sauce, even with that. So that's fine.

That's no deal. But, you know, barbecue is a technique. It's, it's, you have to understand how each pit work. You got to understand how to pair. If you're smoking with wood, how to pair woods, with, what, you're cooking yeah um the temperature how to control the temperature yeah um making sure you cooking with the right smoke so it's a lot that goes into smoking that's why a lot of people can't smoke meats because people don't know the technique in doing it a lot of guys are used charcoal or pellets and

which is fine and then but when you start getting to smoking foods and smoking meats and cooking it's a technique you have to know what you're doing because you can get some food that's taste bitter from the too much smoke yeah you can cook with some smoke that's too too too thick and just nasty smoke. So it's techniques to grilling, you know, and everybody have their dayways, but the good thing with me, I grew up seeing my daddy on charcoal. That's what it was, and he'll throw his little wood chips in it. But as I got over there and started getting better at cooking and barbecuing, you know,

I learned to master the woods and the flavors of the woods and how it goes and how to build your smoke stack and all that good stuff. So I just took off with it. It's like anything else, reps. Reps and experiment. You're going to screw up a lot of stuff, you know. Even with this sauce, you know, I probably made over 100 sauces just creating this sauce. Oh, yeah.

I mean, it took some time. It took me some time. It took me two years to get to this point where we're at with G.HI. And I created some good sauces. And I can't wait to try it because we got to barbecue right after and get that GHI, 705 on it. G. G. Got to have it, baby.

Oh, now let's go back into time around when the game took place. This game took place November 22nd, 2012 on Thanksgiving. Do you ever barbecue turkey? Yeah, I smoked turkey. Smoke. That's the only way I eat turkey. Smoke it. Smoke it.

And we go over what pop culture was going on around the world. Number one movie, The Twilight Saga, Breaking Dawn. I like them. I like those. Are you team Jacob or team the other guy? Edward. Edward. Team Edward. I was an Edward guy, too.

Edward. I'm Edward. Yeah, I was Team Edward. He's just, it's just his whole, it's like he just so smooth and like he mean business. Yeah. He's quiet what he means business. And he became. When he talked, you listen.

Yeah. You know, he's like one of them. He's sneaky scary. He is. He's that like gothic white scary. That's right. Hey, that's a scary scary. And he became Batman.

Hey, shout out. Number one song, One More Night by Maroon Five. Remember that one? I don't know. Around this time, Call of Duty Black Ops 2 makes $500 million in the first 24 hours. Do you play Black Ops? No, not really. I used to play with Randy, my rookie year. Yeah, we used to play golf and the trucks. The trucks? Yeah. See, it was crazy to me because I remember being a young kid, straight out of college, game in my whole life, you know what I mean? And Randy was at that time, he's probably like 30 years old. Right. You know, so he's older. and you would just you would be looking at Randy's guy and Randy's guy would just be like looking at the stars and shit like what the fuck is this guy doing

fast forward 12 years when I'm playing with the young kids I'm like Randy now I'm like it's crazy how like the younger kids I just heard we used to play black ops together gangam style came out that has 800 million views

on YouTube well it's got more than that it's got to be a billion what it's at now. That's way more than that. What is it? I'm on game. It's a crazy. That's like Ben. Now it's that one song.

My daughter likes the song. Gundam style. Yeah. Now it's at 5.6, Billy. Billy in 13 years. But I know I know that little song. That's the song. Holy smoke.

Super Bowl champion, Baltimore Ravens this year. MVP, Adrian Peterson. I don't think we've had a running back MVP since. No. He was a dead. different person. He was. He was, and I got a chance to play against him once.

And he was okay. He was, he was, he was special. Was he, was he prime AP at that time? Because AP stuck around. Yeah, he was prime. He was prime. Yeah, he was prime, yeah. I mean, it was, it's crazy watching.

See, my best running back, man, was, um, beast mode. Like, man, when he was a rookie in Buffalo, I remember pulling him to a side right after the game and I don't talk to people after the game and I put them to a side and I was like listen to a young fellow

you special just keep your head on straight you're gonna do some damage in this league and he kind of smiled and he was like I appreciate it and he was a rookie

and fast forward I mean he had a hell of a career but I've always respected that guy because he run hard he runs angry he runs hard

you know where he's from right where you're from the bay man you're on a clay you had to get that in there Yeah, I respect this guy. I love his game.

Oh, shit. Heisman Trophy was Johnny Menzel. Natty was Alabama. And then NFL used replacement. Oh, my, you remember those replacement riffs? We played against Baltimore against them. We had the water boys, the garbage men and stuff. Yeah.

No disrespect, but yeah. I got an OPI with it. Yeah, it was weird. I was like, we need to get, Bill was fist. that's when you would see bill get the maddest is when it was like anything to do with like officiating equipment on the field like I bruised my leg because of the first down markers and like he wanted to go kill the league like these fucking asshole like anything that could hurt the player right right like he didn't want that no and not at all oh lebron won his first NBA title beating

Oklahoma City Thunder 4-1 and he's still doing it baby he's still rocking man he's still looking good Yeah. He's... He's just a different breed. Dude. I mean, he's a different breed, man. Like, what he's doing and just, like, his makeup is just, wow. Like, I don't even know the next guy we have like that, honestly.

I'm a Jordan guy. But, like, it's starting to become, like, Tom Brady-esque that this guy's performing into his 40s on basketball. Like, we've never seen that. He's solid. He's solid. Like, Braun's solid. I love Jordan, too. And I love, and I love Kobe.

I love Kobe too I love Kobe But those three guys like man Like they are special man Like Were you there when he came and talked to us? Who at? Cove?

Or was it later? No, it was later. It was later. Yeah, I love you know I love Kobe man Like It's just something about his game And his just mentality

That I fell in love with Like man He was just He was just so savvy In his gaming And it's like He never backed down For any type of competitors

He's killer. He's going for your throat. You know what I mean? Killer. But all those guys like, you know, Joy and LeBron and Kobe, like those guys, they are special, man. Yeah. They are special. I had Paul on.

Paul Pee. The truth. The truth. I grew up a Celtics fan, so I grew up loving the truth and KG and the original Big Three. The original. The big, really. Oh, jeez.

That out Larry. We went over the game. What was it in 2000? 2008 conference final. Conference final against LeBron when LeBron had 45 and Paul had 41. Was that the game? Doug Reble said something to Kobe or something. It says something to him?

No, this was against LeBron. No, I mean LeBron. Because he went off. He was here. It was here. You were there. You were courts. You were there next time.

I think that's the game. I don't know. Doc said something to him. Yeah. I think Doc said something to him and got him lit up and he went off. Went off. Yeah, he went off. But Paul did too.

Paul game. I'm telling him, he we've got to put some respect on the truth now. Because he, Paul was like a backyard. He's like one of those guys in the backyard. He'll go play anywhere. Take you in the backyard and just cross you up real quick. And check up. Let's go.

And then he'd do his little. Exactly. He do his little thing. Come on, man. I confronted him about that too. I said, man, how come every time you hit big three, you'd be going to put the check? Man, look here, put some respect on my name. He goes, I didn't do that?

Man, he got to let him know. The truth was the truth. He was the truth. Oh, there I go right there. Yeah. Court side. I'm a big boy. Let's go.

You're a big boy. Look at his chest. He even got the chest. He's poking out, baby. See, I had a third of four on that thing, baby. How fun were those Celtics games? Man, look, you know, I want to get to him so bad, but I move around so much. But hopefully this year I can with spending some time up here.

But I grew up with Celtics, right? Like, you know, I'm not one of those guys want to claim. Like, no, I grew up a Celtic. When I say, I used to say, I used to. to watch Larry, McKell, and Parrish. Like, I grew up watching them. Yeah. So I fell in love with Boston just because of that.

And then we come back and get, you know, KG and Paul and with, Ray. Ray. And little Rondo. It's like, man, I was in heaven. Yeah. I'm like, I'm watching, I'm watching. I'm in a city in Tidal Town, right? And watching one of the greatest organization ever in basketball.

And I grew up watching them. Like, I couldn't have been any happier, you know what I mean? So they brought me so much joy over the years, just being a part of. And that's one thing people have to understand. It's like maybe it was God and maybe it was in his will because I grew up watching and seeing his stuff. And when I got drafted by the New England Patriots, the first thing I said, where is that? I'm like, is that in England?

Is that the new part of England? You know, so I had no idea that was in Boston. And it was like, oh, it's where the Celtics play. I'm like, oh, yeah, okay, yeah, we're good. Because I'm like, I'm a Celtic fan. I can go see my boy, like, we're good now, you know. How'd you become a Celtics fan? I don't know.

It was something, so I was a Celtic fan, and I was a Buffalo Bills fan. Wow. Yep, growing up. Bruce Smith. Bruce Smith from Thurmond Thomas. Those are my guys. Like, man, so I grew up, so they get drafted here. And they were hella good.

They were into the four Super Bowls. Yeah, so when I got here, I was like a kid in the Kansas store. So you tell me, I can go see my, my, my, my, my, my, On team play, man, can't beat that with a stick. Man, can't beat it. Can't beat it with a stick. We were literally, this will never happen again being able to be an athlete in a city where we're showing up to championship games with Super Bowl rings. And I'm not just saying one, we're basketball, hockey, baseball.

It's just, it was such a fun time. It's, you know, what we have here in Boston is special, man. It's not a lot of cities have what we have. Now, you have a couple of them, but, man, to be able to do it in all sports, what we did, it's unbelievable. No, it is, it's freaking awesome to get part of it's called time for a reason. It is. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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era. Tony Spirano running that offense, Mike Petton on the defense. Coming off two years before this, I mean, they were in the AFC title game. Yeah. So, I mean, this was two years in a row. Yeah, like, they knocked this off when we were 14 too. That was fucking asshole. We beat the shit out of them. I know. I know. Mr. Can't Wait, I know.

Mr. Can't wait. I know. Are you remember that when Barcott? Can't wait. But you remember you, did you see when Bar Scott got in Billy O's face and said, fuck you white boy or something like? And then Billy O's started going, Fuck you. No, I didn't know that.

Billio, they ain't going to back down now. He won't back down. Well, I was like right there because I was right next to the personnel groups and shit. Bart Scott during a TV timeout or something literally came up face-to-face to Billy O and tried to fuck you something like that. Man, it was a funniest thing.

I was like, man, this is fucking awesome. Oh, my God. Nothing like some coaches and players doing. I love that. Oh, man. This was their first losing season. since 07. So this speaks to kind of that little run

that Jets were having in this era. Offense ranked 30th. Not a lot to show there. Good defense, though, again. Still ranked eighth in the NFL. And L.T. The lost L.T. He retired in June before this season.

So the backfield was more of a Ballel Powell, Joe McKnight kind of two-headed monster there. Sean Green. He had other names on here. Sanchez, Braylon Edwards. He had Jeremy Curley. He still got Bart Scott out there.

Reve? Gary Eve, I mean, this is Carmardi. There was some names on this team. They had a really good defense. Yeah, they did. They always had, they always cared. I mean, Rex was a great defensive coach. It's just they didn't have a quarterback.

Yeah. And they had no shot at San Chito. I know. And that's my guy, but he, it's a quarterback league. We're talking about the trenches in this episode, too. They had a old DeBricka Shaw Ferguson up front. Nick Mangold, yes. There's some big boys up there.

You know, like Nick is probably the best center that I played against hands down why because he had everything he had every tool you had the strength he had the size he was smart um he was just he was a leader he knew the game um he was a really really really good center hands down the top center i have a play and played against now hands down when you guys are playing is it like competitive shit talk or is it quiet you guys know it's you guys have a mutual respect yeah like we we never crap talk with each other like none of that um it was always respect always and we play hard um but i'm telling you man he was he was a problem yeah yeah i remember what's always

talking about yeah he was a he was a problem man and um because you got to understand a lot of centers get help but they could leave nick alone sometimes yeah yeah he was good now what were your thoughts on Rex Ryan back in these days. I didn't have no thoughts of it. I mean, um, yeah, he wasn't really no big deal.

I mean, everything I heard about him, um, his players and stuff love him and stuff. Yeah. Like, he wasn't nothing personal with Rex, but it's just, I know his personality,

but at the same time, it's like, it really, I wasn't playing with Rex. I wasn't playing, you know, against him. It's what it is there.

Now, how much did we hate the Jets? We hated the Jets. It was like, We hated the Jets. People sleep on that low-key. And the crazy thing is I told Bill one day, I said, Coach, you know, you have to let,

you got to kind of let us know, like, why? Like, what's the why? You know, because, I mean, you know, when we know Jets coming up, we're like, uh, after Jets, but why? So he kind of explained to us and like, oh, okay, we got to know. We just want to know why. Like, we're going to ride for you, Bill.

But at the same time, and like, you're telling me to do something. and then talk trash to somebody. I don't even know why. What is the why? I know. But, you know, but how you know it is, you know, everybody had that one team. Division, Boston, New York.

He's that one team, you know, so. There's a lot. Yeah. But Bill, you know, especially. With a passion. Let's get into these Patriots. Let's get in these. Speaking of Bill, these were the New England Patriot, led by Coach Bill Belichick, 12 and 4,

Josh McGainterner's running the offense, Maddie P, running the defense. Coming off that Super Bowl loss to the Giants, brutal. And then in November, big one acquired a Keeb to leave. That was huge. Got to love Keeb. Notable rookies on this team, Chandler Jones, Dante Hightower, Nate Ebner. It's a pretty good draft class. Really good draft.

And we talked about this earlier. This was like an all-star team practically. 557 total points, just whooping up on people, putting up numbers. 10th consecutive 10 plus win season. Yeah, we had a squad, man. Dang, Brandon Lloyd did that. Be Lloyd. B. Lloyd, Dionne Branch, West Welker.

B. Lloyd was low-key, one of the best rock runners I ever played with. Yeah. He was so, you remember, he was, like, smooth, like the Pink Panther out there. Like, we had a squad. How about, how about Akeep to leave? How fun of a teammate was he? He was great. You know what the crazy thing is?

I remember when we played against Tampa and, uh... We got in fights with them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We all hated them. And I remember telling him leave. I'm like, hey, I'm from down. this way. We don't want to play this game. As soon he comes to the locker,

we traded for him. We looked at each other, we chopped it up. We started laughing. I'm like, man, I'm glad you're going to score out, man. Let's go do this. You remember the first game? He got a pick. Oh, yeah. And I'm like, he was out of shade. Mid-season. Yeah, yeah, mid-season.

I had to get him in shape. Yeah. I was the one who's running one-on-ones with him after practice. Great team, babe. I love to leave, man. Right. He's funny, too. Hey, big, me, fuck you, man. He was funny. It was so fun.

teammate. I mean, I love guys that has a mentality of, hey, whatever it takes to win, that's what it is. We're going to wear a chip on our shoulder. I want you to match it. And we had that. That's the thing we had. We had guys that's just like, we're ready to bite a chunk out of your neck. We didn't care. Without a doubt. Now, I just have one, another question, random. Like, what did you and Randy used to talk about in a stretch line? Me and Randy, Anything other than football? Anything other than football? We used to play catch.

Yeah, I remember. We used to break up offense and defense, and Randy would be over in the defense with Big V. Yeah, we used to talk about nothing. And you remember every, what it was, every Friday, me and him had our one-on-one we did. We used to do our one-on-one every Friday, but, man, we used to, man, we used to, man. Explain that.

What do you mean to one-on-one? So Randy would be a DB. I would be a receiver and Pett will be the quarterback. So I would run routes and Randy Guard me, you know. That was out every Friday. Who won them? Me. Every time.

I won majority of them. Yeah, he had a couple of them, but I won a majority. About 80% I won. 80%? Yeah, I beat him down. Did you ever have to cover him? No. That wasn't the rule.

I didn't ask him to be an offensive line. So I'm like, you can't play your position. We both out of position. Do you remember Randy get, watching? Like, didn't he watch Dateline every Friday night or something? And he would fucking explain it to the receivers in the receiver meeting for like the whole receiver meeting on Saturday would be Randy breaking down when I was on Dateline or 60 minutes. Randy was funny. He loved that.

And then this motherfucker tried to cut this. I'm like a rookie. He's just like, oh my God. Now, how is it going against Dante? Scarnikio, offense lines. I love Scar. Scar? I love Scar.

I love Scar too. And one of the best teammates I over here is Logan Makers. Oh, Meg. Make, let me tell you, that's probably the best teammate I'd had. Why? I love. Just because of what he stood for. It's just, he's a man's man.

Like, he's just tough, lovable, just a rider. Like, you fight for you? Yeah, like, I don't care who you are. If you're a patriot and you met, oh, it's going down. Oh, yeah. But it was just his mentality, and he was just a great football player. He's just a tough player. Yeah.

I love players that's doable and just tough. I love tough players. Give me a tough player any day over anybody with talent and that's not tough. Give it to me. Yeah. Simple as that. He was also Cattle Rancho. Yeah, when a big big bulker is his, his, he would wear the same thing every day.

Yeah, he don't care. That's my type of guy. Like, come in from her. Remember how him and Matt Lai used to come in from hunting with blood on them? Like, it's the craziest thing ever. Like, I love that, you know? I love that. They come in, shower up.

They got blood. They just killed some turkeys or whatever. They made me blood. I'm like. You remember when they brought the duck and put it in Donald Thomas's bucket locker? No, you remember when it was Matt Kassel and Tom going back and forth? I wasn't around for that. Oh, my gosh.

What happened? They was going back and forth. pranking each other. So I think Matt filled Tom Carl for all of these little bubbles. The peanuts. So Tom took his tires.

And hit him everywhere. And hit him at life. So he had three tires and still was looking for one. It was in the bubble. So Bill finally was like, look, guys, stop screwing around. Yeah.

You're putting too much planning. It's getting out of control. Yeah, it's good. So Bill had to put a stop to him. Man, he was going for weeks. it was going dude they were i mean i'm like dude when i tell you some of my most funnest times in life is on a football field and in the locker room oh one thousand you know what i mean so people always ask me do you miss the game i'm like no you know i miss my teammates in the locker

room and the fans that's what i miss i miss the game itself i miss the camaraderie just hanging out in the locker room two three hours after we finished and just sitting down and drinking gatorade and just hanging out in the locker room like it's nothing to be leaving at seven o'clock eight o'clock no 20 of us you know and that's how you build camarader that's how you build a team full of leaders and understanding what it takes to win we had that we did we had that and you could tell the teams now who have that in their locker room how they play yeah you know um so that's what i'm hoping to see from this new era in new england it's just is bring that camaraderie bag.

Brain put football first like we used to. Main thing, the main thing. Exactly. Because a lot of times now it's more stuff outside of football people concerned about and football is secondary. It's tougher for these younger kids too, though. They're getting thrown this cheddar in so many different ways. And it's such a pivotal thing to have your social team, your fucking brand.

I mean, I'm a product to it. Yeah, right. But I still keep the main thing that, you know, it's just that's. absolutely that's the factor you have to and that's how and that's why i retire you because i saw the rookies coming in and i just didn't i don't like what they stood for and i'm like this is not how um i i came through and i learned the ball and played football like football is first well guard is first then football yeah you know what i'm saying but they was coming in football wasn't even on radar we would have guys leave the locker room didn't even shower drop their

clothes and head and i'm like what's shower pill like right but it's It is what it is. The Brady? Let's rip through the... Gotcha. Let's rip through the game. All right, leading into this, when the paths were writing a little bit of a slow start, started out one and two, lost two of the first three, but got back on track.

They're coming into this thing, seven and three. The Jets, meanwhile, four and six trying to find some hope and salvage this season, but as we know, that did not happen. First quarter scoreless. That's a Thanksgiving game. Thanksgiving game. Thanksgiving game. Thanksgiving game.

Prime time. Fellas, what's it like playing on Thanksgiving? I like it. It was cool. I mean, it's tough playing on the road on Thanksgiving. Yeah, yeah. But you know what? At the end of the day, it's like, you know, business is business.

We got to do what we got to do. That's right. But I would rather be home on Thanksgiving than playing the game. I would tell you that. Me too. But I always also thought of it as like when we were home and kids, we would be at home. We were watching football, but we'd all be playing football before the football games before the feast.

So it was like a privilege that we're playing pro football fucking Thanksgiving. All eyes on you guys. Yeah. And I always was a big believer like any prime time game you're the only show on.

So you have to show up. You know, so Thanksgiving that was one of those things like man, this is Thanksgiving. Then you know like turkey lid. Who gonna get the turkey legs now? So yeah, it's like it's a big deal especially in the football community.

It's like Thanksgiving football games. People look forward to that stuff. 1,000%. Now before we get this game what's what's the will fork household look like during thanksgiving what's the line of food what the crazy thing is i don't eat the way i used to eat in the moment i still cook but it's like i'm smoking i'm smoking turkey we haven't we haven't dressing we have some mac and cheese just in mac and cheese we have some red beans and rice dressing for you uh white

people like stuffing you know uh red beans and rice probably red beans and rice we might have a roast you never know a roast beef beef pork roast pork roast um pork roast um um pork roast um um um And then you know you got all the desserts. You got the apple pies, right? You got the sweet potato pies. You got to go. And you got cakes. So let's rock and like, let's rock and roll.

What's the gravy situation? What do you mean with gravy? Like red beans and rice. They got, they got his own juices. So you put that juice on the turkey. Yeah, man, look here. I told you, I'm smoking my turkey. Oh, so yeah.

So yeah, red bean and rice, baby. We don't need no gravy. Okay. Uh-huh. I like this. I like this. I bend it out. Yes.

Yes. I had it before. I am good. What's Lyman Thanksgiving like? We've heard offensive linemen Thanksgiving. Is there a defensive lineman thing? Did you ever have defense defensive guys at the house? Yeah, it's probably sometimes.

But the same thing. Like back then I cooked a lot more. Yeah. Because I had, you know, had a dangone team to feed, you know. So everybody knew when it was time to eat or a holiday and we had to be in time, they knew where to come. Yeah. You know, so we would sit out there with eat all day and share good stories, you know.

just hang out like we always find ways to and it sound like offense had their thing and these are they're at it there right um but you know you did we cross over every yeah every now then you know what i mean so i went with randy randy used to go to your house a bunch yeah and so i went with randy once to big vs yeah like it was over to everybody like i i care less like you know my teammates was my teammates that sounds awesome yeah yeah should we run through this game real quick all right we started this thing off in the second with a guy that was Johnny on the spot all night. Steve Gregory

picks off San Chito. That sets up our first touchdown in the game, Brady to Welker, up 7-0-0. Sean Green fumbles. Who is it this time again? Johnny on the spot? Steve Gregory recovers the ball off of the Sean Green fumble. Pardon me. Then a little swing pass. Vareen goes 83.

Up 14-0. That brings us to the moment we're all here for a moment that still lives in infamy. Nine minutes and 11 seconds left in the second quarter. Jets' 31-yard line. Mark Sanchez goes back for what looks like a handoff, a bit of a broken play,

scrambles forward, he meets Brandon Moore's butt. The ball is out. Who is it again to recover it? Steve Gregory, back to the house. 21-0. We got to dive into this moment, though.

And the funny thing is we started this episode by talking about 2GAP. Yes. And that right there is, the definition of 2GAP is when you blow them up so much that it runs the runner. into the blocker that's like that's called recreating the line of scrimmage oh yeah like give us beat for beat well it's fight pressure with pressure right so it's like you know pressure with pressure

meaning the offensive line guys pushing pressure at one direction on big v trying to probably wall them off in a certain direction so big v's got to put that pressure against that because he wants to attack that area right right you want to always fight pressure with pressure because that kind of tell you where the ball is supposed to go. And like I say, on that play, honestly, you know, Nick didn't come directly at me aggressive and Brandon didn't come to me directly, you know, aggressive. So I was stuck like, okay, who to attack? Remember, right?

I have two gaps. Yeah. So who to attack? I can't attack this guy and be out of gap. And I can't attack this guy because so in that millisecond, it's like I had to make a decision. So if you see, I was basically in the middle of that gap with both of them and trying to understand and once nick i felt nick kind of leave i knew then i had to fight back and he had brand it

was on my shoulder so that's why it's like i kind of trying to get my arms back and press and once i press that's why but before my happen because i guess uh that gap closed fast enough um for sanchise and he didn't realize how fast it was closing so that's what happened on that play Did you feel Mark Sanchez run into the offense alignment through you or no? No. I just felt once I press, Brandon fell, and then when I looked up, the ball was gone. I'm like, oh, fumble, you know, but I didn't know he ran into his butt and fumble like that. You know, I had no idea.

Can you imagine being that strong? Listen, listen, 300, and we'll say in conservatively, 45 pounds. That's perfect. Other side, 300, probably. at most 315. So the pounds of pressure that these two men are literally trying to kill each other for

and Big V is so strong another 215 pounds hits that and he doesn't feel it. You got to be fucking strong for that. And that's what, like I just remember Big V would, I would see Big V coming the weight room and just put

as many places you can see on the thing do his like four sets and then just dip out. Like that's how strong now You gotta be fucking strong to do that That's a real man right there That's a man's man's man, baby And then after this play

We get what caps off 21 points in 52 seconds Jules takes the ensuing kickoff To the house after you're blown up Yeah Catches it off his helmet Dev runs it back in there An RIP McKnight man, that's sad

Yeah, my guy's not here for you know That Devin hits him scotio you're good players got to be in the right of you you're ready you were ready you're ready come on then you added on a 56 yard touchdown from brady what a bomb 35 nothing pads are up jets get on the board to end the half 353 and then speaking of big hits

Jules gets knocked out to start the third quarter shut out Lauren Landry sorry big ass motherfucker you know what and that's the football guys right there you know what I mean because sometimes When you start feeling yourself. Yeah. I'm still a young ball player at two touchdowns, doing some shit.

Feeling good. Feeling good. I'm going to take this reverse. I'm going to try to cut it back into all the pursuit. Cat. Reset button. Complete. I don't even remember the game.

You played really well. I played really well. Man, early Thanksgiving for you there, brother. And then we in this thing, 49, 19. Big V's out there getting the turkey leg. With Tom, everybody. How did it taste? How's that turkey leg?

He's a good. It's cold. Yeah, it was cold Yeah I always thought about that It was cold but I'm like I don't want to be on national TV Just killing this whole thing

Let me just go on Just take a bite and go on by my business Was it season? Yeah, it was season Yeah, it was decent If it was warm I would ate all Yeah, it was good Yeah, it was good

I'm a hot food guy too Yeah I need my food burning hot Some stuff I can eat cold Like I'm not a big fan Like I don't care Like what can you eat cold Like I can eat chicken wings cold

I can eat pizza cold I can eat spaghetti cold I can eat pizza cold, but it tastes better if you do like. Yeah, it tastes, of course it's going to taste better if you warm it up. But I'm just telling you what I eat cold. Yeah, I get it. I like my food, like literally the point where it's burning the top. Man, that's how my wife is.

I'm like, I like to, listen, when it comes to food, when I sit down and eat, I want to sit down and eat and enjoy it. I don't got time to be blowing and waiting five minutes. Like, I don't got time for that. Once I take one bite, I want to continue to eat. I don't want to be. I don't want to do that. That's wasting my time.

I get it. So that's why I like, give me my warm and I'm good to go. I don't need it piping hot. Man. No. Not at all. Is this the funniest play in the history of the national football league? Oh, I don't know.

It's got to be. Does that other Patriots Colts play? I think that was pretty good. That punt, whatever the hell that was. Which one? Remember, the Colts did some more than the formation and then they hiked it? The punt formation that the Indianapolis Colts tried to do on a fourth and two that like... Yeah, yeah, in Indy.

When we're sitting there like, they're not going to do this. They're not going to do this. They did this? Yeah, I think that was. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I don't understand that one to this day. Those guys. This one was very emblematic of the Jets, though.

They did it as a QB sneak when it's four on two. where is that supposed to work I don't think he was supposed to That's damn near five You got Ebner looking right over there Like that's the weirdest thing Slate dog Oh my wow

But the butt fumble is apropos to the Jets Yeah Yeah that's where I think Just because it's the Jets That's is like Yeah you know what Makes it that much better The Jets have a couple bad

Clips Yeah it's called their entire franchise Remember when we see ghost clip? Oh, that was bad. That was bad. Man. Yeah, you can't have that.

How do you let that out? I know. He's miced up. Yeah, but why is there people letting that get out? That's what I'm saying. That's some bullshit bears. Oh, my gosh.

All right, what's the, what's the legacy of this game? No. Oh, I thought you're asking Vince. Sorry. Week 13, Jules. This is the aftermath. Broke your foot against Miami.

Bummer. Hated to see that. The Pats would get the number two seed in the AFC. Beat Houston in the playoffs, then lose to Baltimore in the AFC championship game. 28 to 13. In 2015, Vince would sign with Houston and then retire in 2016 after a heck of a career. Yeah. Yeah.

That was my sign off. Yeah. It was fun. You know, my football career was fun. I got a chance to see some, me, some great. great people and I play for two good organizations you know even Houston like Houston is you know they they try to know what it takes learning and I think they find to a point now where they really has some you know some turnaround in our

organization and gear towards the right way of what it takes to win so and of course we're getting back to win so we got it what was no choice Casario maybe Casario's over there yeah he's GM and I They're putting together. I like D'Amico, too. Yeah, they're putting it together, man. Like, they have the mentality and understanding. So it's going to be good to see both of these teams.

And the next couple years of what they're going to turn out and look like, you know? How was it playing next to J.J. Watt? Man, it was pretty cool. Is he a monster? Yeah. He's a monster. Yeah. He's special.

Yeah, he's special. Like, he just play hard. He plays hard. And once again, it's like you're around. You get a chance when I retire, you get a chance to say, okay, all these guys I played with, you know, and me to go to JJ, it's like, I used to line up and practice with this guy, so I see the work he put in and he works. Yeah.

Yeah, he works. So I was lucky, even Chandler, like, you know, line up with Chandler just to see what he was, I mean, it's amazing, Junior Sal, you know, Seymour, you know, Warren and, you know, Tom and, I mean, it's Randy and Kevin Faw, all these guys that, you know, in history, it's like when you say their name, you know, but having a luxury to play with everybody, man, I had some great teammates, man. I mean, you bridge both the gap. I mean, you played, you won with the first one in the second dynasty, which only one other

player did that, and that was Tom. Yeah. Right? I have some great teammates, man. Real good teammates. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's grade the game.

Uh-oh. the name of the game there's no other name than the butt fumble like we usually come up with the gas right what do you name this is that's it we won't allow all you gotta say is butt fumble everyone remembers his game

yeah 100% butt phone it's got its own Wikipedia page exactly butt fom have you ever talked with Mark Sanchez about it no no but what what we would talk about

there's nothing we need to talk about that shit molfo that's a shit molfo that's he could have said that he could have there's nothing to talk about We'll be right back after this quick break. I'm Dan, he's Ty.

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So what happened at Chappaquittic? Well, it really depends on who you talk to. There are many versions of what happened in 1969 when a young Ted Kennedy drove a car into a pond. And left a woman behind to drown. There's a famous headline. I think in the New York Daily News, it's Teddy escapes, blonde drowns.

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Listen to United States of Kennedy on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. Let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Decimals encouraged Big V, but fumble game between the Patriots and Jets Week 12, 2012. On Thanksgiving,

the stakes of this regular season game, stakes of a regular season game. I don't think it was the greatest game of all time now. Yeah, yeah. You got to grade it, though. I mean, okay, grade it. Stakes, one to ten, ten being... the most going for like a three pete or something that's a five man that's a five

that's an integrity type score it's an integrity score it's an integrity type score yep i would say i'm gonna go 5.3 okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay okay i'm gonna say say page 5.3 baby six point one i think a night game on thanksgiving raises the stakes just a little bit okay okay okay i feel that i'm thinking that what you put in that let's go with a star power 0 to 10 decimal is encouraged I mean

God of the who you had again See yeah that's that's a problem That's a problem If you're saying that It ain't gonna be very high Yeah that's like a Rievis Mangle Reve

They got to 2.2 2.2 Yeah That's another integrity type score That's an integrity type score I'm gonna go with I gotta go with I mean it's still

pro football and you still had Rex Ryan. He had a lot of he was like a W.W.E. character out there. I love playing it. Like that's what, he was like the heel. Like he loved playing that role. We did forget Lenny Kravitz was playing the halftime show. Did Lenny Kravitz? Lenny could bump it a little bit. Yeah. I forgot to mention

that. I'm going to go with the 4.1. Oh, 8.6. Whoa. I'm not sure what? At 8.5? 8.5. I think I'm bumping. I think you guys are doing all the heavy lifting. I might remember. My fan boyness coming out, I think, over here. I'm going to do.

Oh, you're bummed it down. 75 for Vince. Yeah. There you go. I guess I'll stick with my high 8-6. Geez. What is the gameplay? We really like the Patriots.

The gameplay, 0 to 10, of this historic day where 21 points were scored 9 seconds, I believe. 52 seconds. Not a matter. Still crazy, though. Not a math guy. Yeah, that's, ooh, gameplay. Yeah, that's about, that's about an 8.2. 8.2.

A lot of points. Yeah. A lot of fun plays, historical plays. Yeah. And that 53 seconds. That's wild. And 35 in second quarter, like the... Those three touchdowns, offensive, defensive, and special teams.

Yeah. I don't think that's ever happened either. Yeah, that's like... Was it three plays in a row? No, no, there were a couple. There was, like... Because butt fumble, they had, like... They got into the 31.

No, so... Vareen touchdown, then kickoff. I think a couple plays, but fumble touchdown on that kickoff. Touchdown. Uh, inters. Um, bumble recovery. Okay.

Yeah. I'm going to go with a 7.6. I think I might have gone weirdly low here. 5.7. I went 5.4. You guys, half of the game was a 5. They get 0.4. That's how I do it.

They were bad. The, but we got to, we got to, we got to score the name of the game. Oh, man. The butt fumble game. but a fumble game that's a you got to score the name oh scored it oh man 10 that's yeah 10 yep that is a

unequivalent I'm going 10 as well everyone knows that I went with a 10 as well I had a 9.5 and we're 9.5 yeah because perfect perfection is the we're pursuing perfection you can't range perfection you should have did at least 9.9.9 so the final

score is 6.91 can do that for me jack where is it going on the list We're going on the second slide. It is just behind the, it's our new 78th game. It's just behind the 2019 Western Conference semifinals, Warriors versus Rockets, and just ahead of the 2011 AFC Division round game, Broncos versus Patriots right here. 7-8 down at the bar 7-9-0-0-0-0-0-0. That feels, that feels right.

Yeah, it's a Thursday night game. But everyone knows this game. Yeah. And it's a fun game to go over. It is. I mean, just the 53 seconds alone, like, take the butt from my out. Those touchdowns in that time frame, it's unbelievable. It's crazy.

It's three different phases of the game. That's like such a bill, like. Exactly. Like, wet dream. Certified. Like, this is three phases of, this is what I'm talking about right here. Let's play it. I think this is probably the happiest he's ever been in a post game.

Oh, yeah. I don't remember, but. It had to be against the Jets. It has to be. It has to be. Let's grade that. Let's rank that. Rang that.

Big V, we miss anything in this game? No, man. No, I don't think so. Everyone's got to go out and check out Vince on Wilfork. Vince Wilfork at Vince Wilfork on Instagram. Everyone's got to go by. Gotta have it sauce. So Vince, that's the G-H-I-75.com.

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You're okay, bud? I'm just so excited. I got to have it. Yeah, I got to have it right now. Everybody got to have it. I'm trying to get it. I'm honking. You got it.

Big dog. Man, I appreciate it. I love you, bro. I always love my man. Thank you, guys. Thank you. Man, that was awesome. What an episode. How good was that barbecue sauce?

So good. By the way, we just did a little movie magic. We had some of that BBQ sauce. I got to have a set of your chicken, brother. I can barely move out of the brisk of my head. Yeah, I got that sweet and spicy on my team. Man, that was awesome. So cool.

He looks great. He does. I'm not joking when Vince would come in, and he would put like 600 pounds on the bench. bench he would squat it and then like bench it and then he was done that's all you need do it like no one said anything because it was so much weight like all right this guy he's good he's making ronald lifting in like 10 minutes yeah that's awesome i mean it was he he's and he's not lying when he says he was the he was fucking athletic like as far as when i said he had feet

like a ballerinas because you don't see big men move like him so athletic so fun to go over those fun plays with him, too, the interception. That was awesome. Rumbling, mumbling, stumbling. Oh, my God. I will say, though, I'm going to steal, Mawbo. I'm going to steal that. I'm going to be saying, I don't know what I'm telling you.

They used to be a big in the locker room. Hey, all right, mofo. It feels like whenever we're a guest says something like, oh, I don't like swearing anymore, like you like, oh, I'll have to make up for you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, Mavoh. See, I'm sure.

I'm not really actually cussing. I see you, Mofo. Maybe I'm going to sing baby to the curb and make it just Mavot now. Yeah. Man, that was fun. All right, it's time for the chill zone. Brought to you by our favorite beer. Coors Light.

Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Visit Coorslight.com slash GwN and celebrate responsibly. That was a nice harmony. James, but that was. What do we got today? Today, we are answering your burning questions about the 2025 NFL season, which is upon us. It is here. Hey, he loved the overalls.

He did. Yeah, we really heard that. I'm not talking about those. I didn't know that Vince was going to be so friendly and nice. I saw the overallers deliver. I was like, well, thank God, I'm not going on. All right, let's get into it. So voice mill questions about the season.

It's here, man. You've been to a couple of camps. You've been traveling. You've been seeing some preseason. We'll see. Jules got some takes, so let it rip. Jules, Matt, from originally Chicago, L.A., calling again, asking you, what is it going to take for the bears to take the next step this year?

I personally do not think Caleb Williams is the answer. Things move too fast in the NFL, but they have the fifth toughest schedule, and I think seven wins would be an accomplishment. How long are they going to give this kid? Because they just extended polls to match Ben Johnson. I am not hopeful. Let me know. You know, I was really impressed with Caleb in the first preseason game that I saw him play.

we actually covered it with Fox. He looked like he was processing the offense. He was able to communicate the play in and out of the huddle with the personnel group. Ben Johnson dialed up a great script for him to give him confident throws early. He checked off a lot of good situations that you want to see a young quarterback check off in the preseason. He was backed up, meaning he was inside the 10 on one of his drives. that's like a huge situation where you have to get a first down so you give your punt team enough room to get actual pun off or we're having a potential disaster he was two i think he had two third

downs on that first drive one was a touchdown one was that i think more third and five i think third and eight or something that's you want to see that he clicked off through a couple progressions on those um and then i was really happy with two plays that he had he had a screen that he threw into the dirt and then he had one play action boot where the guy came and it was in his face and he double backed out and then he threw a ball where his receiver could catch it or no one could catch it now those aren't sexy plays but that shows me growth because a lot of young quarterback I mean you can watch preseason all week we see all the young quarterbacks what do they do they throw an interception while they're rolling to the right when they're trying to throw it out

of bounds. There's like five of them last week. So the fact that he knew that it was second down on one of those plays and he threw it into the dirt. It was a second and five. It didn't have a disaster turnover. You played the down and went to third down. Like those are good things. That's what we didn't get to see. He looked very confident throwing the football. He looked like he knew where he had to go. So I thought he had a really good first preseason game. I didn't get to watch as much as the second one. I'll get into that. But a successful year for him will be just like, let's not take off, let's not get hit 68 times. I think he got sack 64, 68 times last year. That's a lot. Only like three other quarterbacks had that. That's a lot of hits. Some self-inflicted

some offensive line problems. They solidified the middle of the-68. Huh? 68, yeah. They solidified the middle of the offensive line with Dalman, Jackson, and Tooney. So you know they're going to be fortified. Ben Johnson's going to call smart plays for him, like easy type plays that get him in rhythm. So I think, I mean, you can't just like fully like think that this kid's going to be a bus right away. He's had one year he threw for 3,500 yards more than any other quarterback has ever in that thing, in that, in that, in Chicago. So he's had some decent, he had a decent rookie year. It's just we have such high expectations now because you have guys like Jane Daniels and C.J. Stroud that had monster rookie years. Like that's not how it usually goes.

And I know we have recency bias with all that, but that's historically not how it goes. So I'm excited for Caleb and his opportunity. Let's see him mature, you know, as a leader body language and all that. Let's see him take less hits. And he very well could have a very next step type year. He is learning a new offense again. So, you know, there's a lot of of things you could say about them, but it wasn't a great situation to be in last year with everything that was going on in that organization. I like where they're at now. Just having Joe Tuney in any building automatically makes me feel better. Yeah, I mean, they got a really good defense. They got a lot of players on offense. The offensive lines there, yeah, Caleb has to

step it up, but like, we got to remember. He's only in the second year, and I know he was the first overall pick, and everyone was comparing them to certain people out there, but like, Everyone, everyone develops at their own rate. Speaking of the, um, you going to that Bears and Bills game, what's going on with the math there? You got like, I saw something like you said, like you didn't know what 70 minus two was. Yeah, they, I tried to get Kurt with like a little jokester. See, that was a bit. Kurt just didn't pick up on it.

I go, what's two minus 70? He goes, well, what do you mean 60? What do you mean to? He wanted to say negative 60. I only got the like, sometimes they get alert. It's for you, and I got the, like, Julian Edelman doesn't know how to do 70 minus 10. You got alerts on that.

You got a little bit? Okay. What's part of my job? I was trying something. It didn't work. Okay, good. Keep in time. That makes you feel so much better.

We got the goddamn. Fireworks in the background. They're announcing the teams. I'm over here trying to do quick, cute joke with Kurt. Didn't work. It's called banter, bro. Do bits. Didn't work.

Next question. Kyler, Jules, Jack. What's up? I want to give you guys opinion on the new Notre Dame logo. Big fans, thanks. You see this? What are we going on? What are we doing?

Jacks are perennial. Is it a resident dome? Put them up. Is this necessary? Is this, did we get confirmation? Is that the full logo? Or is that like one of those like all football kind of logos? I think it's just going to be alt kind of football.

Okay. If it's all, it's fine. I mean, I don't know. Are they going to kill the old one? They can't. No, no. Fighting Irish. Yeah.

Yeah. What are we doing? They're not the football Irish. No, I mean, that's what we do But like, I don't need Yeah, he's got good knee drivers I tell you, I know That fucking leprechawn's got some good ass knee drive on that though

Put on my Good ball security He's got all three points covered The tip got it into his arm And then it's tucked into his armpit I mean I know we're in the era Extension

Oh yeah I mean That's the knee drive It's got leverage everything But like Anything I mean that's fucking how you do it. I just don't... They must have had the sports science people coming and do that.

John Brinkus, R.I.P. They consulted with the, uh, the physiologists in town. I don't know. I don't like it. I don't like it, though. That's where I'm standing. I mean, you come a long way from fighting like this to having perfect dorsa flex, freaking ankle and knee drive. I will say they kept the face intact. Faces, face is good. I mean, look. Is it cute? Yeah, but it ain't the real thing. The logo isn't being replaced said a school spokesperson.

Instead, the new logo is a secondary option for the football program they can use as a part of a rollout with other Notre Dame sports, which will debut their own sports-specific logos. See, that's the problem with sports media. Like, someone takes one thing out of conduct and makes it a whole thing.

It's like, oh, this is just going to be like on sweatshirts. Yeah. You see like a... Louisville does it with basketball, notably. You know, it's a... non-story, but I still don't like it. Shame on you, sports media. Non-story.

I'm, what do we, let's take a little round of a smaller year. Two, if you look at it. Jules, where do you stand on this one? Like it or don't like it? I mean, yeah, you like it for like a secondary. A weight room, weight room t-shirt or something. Yeah, but you could do cooler things in that. Hey, man.

Guy, guy. I don't have the bandwidth to care about second. I think it's cool. It's not an ugly, it's not appalling, but I just don't like the idea. Like, what's it's going to be on a half? Who cares? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. That's my motto.

I like that. Also, that old one just look, it's the part. Now, if they put it on the helmet, now we've got problems. Oh, God. There's nothing on a helmet. I know. It's insane. I mean, yeah.

Nothing but gold. That's right, baby. I'm golden domers. 24-K. Hi, my name is Priscilla. I'm from Brazil. I just want to know, are you coming to the NFL game in San Paulo? You'll have to come because we are waiting for you guys.

Bye. we will not be going to the NFL game in Sao Paulo had an opportunity but not going that's all we'll leave it at that super excited though for the NFL going to Brazil for the second year in a row I think this anytime you're growing our sport that's awesome and I went to Sanpa I went to Rio a couple years ago to visit the last year last year USS George Washington when they were doing a nice, peaceful, you know, commemorating how our armies and are, I've been intact for over, like, I think, 200-something years.

But our alliance and people out there like football. There are some people that knew. I mean, a lot of people knew me from the roast more. But there were a couple of Pats fans out there. You're a Brazil guy? I love Brazil. Yeah. I love Brazil.

I'm excited I'm just about the matchup. Chief Chargers. They're nice people. Yes. They're colorful people. They're sweet people. Agreed. Friday, September 5th.

Coming up. That's so soon. Chiefs Chargers, that'll be great. The opener is on Thursday, and then they go to Brazil on Friday. Then the freaking, then the Chief's got to come back from Brazil and play Philly. That's tough. On Fox. Yeah, baby.

Good plug. Hey, fellas. It's Randy from Oxnard. Just wondering, how legit are the Chargers? Randy from Oxnard. He's a big Cowboys fan. Yeah, right? You're hanging out of Cowboys camp with Jerry.

I like him. I like him more that he's not. Well, no, just like he likes the team from his area. He's not just jumping on. Nah. You know, but I think there, I think, I'm excited for the Chargers. We all know the numbers of Jim Harbaugh in his second year with a new organization. They always have a big jump.

He's got a really good quarterback in Justin Herbert. McConkey's a really good slot receiver, situational receiver that had a lot of production. You could see a chemistry that they have brewing up for this year. Keenan Allen. Keenan Allen coming back, the veteran, 13 years. Running back. Hampton.

Hampton. North Carolina. What did their practice? And I was probably about 50 yards away. You could see Hampton was a running back. That dude got junk in the trunk. Nice. That dude is so thick.

He got running back legs and butt. I mean, he looks like what a running back need to look like. That we're talking. I mean, it was impressive. I was impressed. They got to get him a lot this year, you think? I mean, they got him, Nagee Harris. They got two really capable running backs.

You know, last year they did, they made hay with Dobbs and the other, They were another guy that was from the Ravens. They had two ravens. And they made, hey, and they're not like bad running backs, but they were beat up. They were a little older, you know what I mean? And they were still able to have a run game that was effective. If they, didn't they get a tight end too? Did they get a tight end?

They drafted a tight end. Who? They got Disley Conklin. Disclee's going to be a good option. The one thing I'm a little worried about, I'm not worried, but they just need to have production out of another receiver outside the numbers. You need to have that production and then they're like a really good team. Losing Slater, that's terrible. I mean, that's, that's not great, but the only positive out of it that I can think of, even though Ernie shot this down to me when

I tried to explain it to him, is that at least it happened, you know, early so they can have time to prepare going into a season knowing that they're not going to have one of their better players. It changes everything on how, you know, they can maybe potentially get a trade, how they design their roster for the year. Are they going to carry another swing tackle or, you know, they need to find depth. So at least they have time to be able to fill to do that. You know, if this happens, you know, week one, week two, you know, and then, you know, the rosters are all cut.

Maybe there is a tackle that you liked in the later rounds that gets cut from another team that you can't do, you know what I mean? He got already picked up. Now they can do that potentially. So you've got to think of the positive. It's terrible. You lose one of your best linemen, highest paid linemen of all time. Sign them literally like two days before he tears his Patel attendant.

Like the only positive is they'll have some time to maybe potentially, you know, fix that problem. not fix it, but deal with that problem. You don't replace a guy like him. But I'm excited for him. I mean, that's going to be a tough division. AFC West is really tough. I mean, no one's talking about the Chiefs, and they've went to three last three Super Bowls.

I don't know why you wouldn't talk about them. You know, the Broncos, everyone's talking about them. Everyone's a little, you know, hyped up on the Raiders, Brock Bowers with that haircut. I mean, he looks like he could be. That's a man on a mission. He can have 140 catches this year. He looks mean, and he used to look like a goddamn CPA.

Did you talk to Ladd McConaughey, anybody? I talked to Ladd. He, you know, he was a really just good kid. You know, he's one of those little southern guys that are like really polite. No, sir, yes, sir. I'm like, dude, what the fuck? Fucking nerd. Yeah.

I'm like, I'm not that old, but yeah, but he was just a genuinely nice kid. You can tell. And he's a fucking baller. Well, you're his Wayne Krebbett. Maybe. I don't know. There's a few other guys. A little Jim Rat guy that plays it the right way.

You know what? He's quick. He knows where he has to be. He's got really, people underestimate like, oh, this guy's just under side. But he has elite quickness. You know, so he's going to continue to get better. You just got to stay healthy. All right.

Last one. He torched us in Foxborough last year. I'll know that much. Last one here. Let's go. All right, boys. Someone's got to talk me off a cliff here. because, I mean, I'm about to put my entire mortgage on us, at least one in the

AFC East. I mean, Henderson, are you kidding me? Drake Mays looking great. He's got targets now. I mean, Jules talk to me here. Am I crazy? What gives the shit about the bills? Who gives the shit about the bills?

When you have 17 Josh Allen, who just got married to, like, his little actor wife, I mean, this guy's on cloud nine right now. Have a distraction? Hard knocks? Start, hard knocks? honestly the hard knocks make me full bills

full bills you're kind of new I feel like you're kind of new to actually watching hard knocks kind of but not really that's the whole journey you were living it he was living it

yeah but this is the first time it's an actually good team other than like the first one when it was Baltimore was Shannon Sharp and goose Cowboys Cowboys they weren't that good

Bengals were okay I think when they did it Dolah baby this is the first time you're getting a sneak peek of a real team Paul, this is a Patriots question. Do I think the New England Patriots are going to be competitive?

Yes. To go say that they're going to go from four wins to win in the AFC East when you got a quarterback in the same division named Josh Allen. That's kind of crazy. That's kind of crazy. I can see them making the playoffs. I like it. I can see them making the playoffs.

So what's that like 10 wins? I'm not going to put a win count on there. I think ultimately, if Drake makes, is processing Josh McDaniels offense at a good, like at a professional rate, that's a win of the season. Because this is only the first year of this coaching staff scheme, you know, their concept. Like this is not, this isn't, people can't just say, oh, they have Josh McDaniels and compare them to Tom Brady who was in that system for 17, 20 years. I mean, that, that a system evolved around Tom with his strengths.

we don't even know all the strengths of Drake May yet. He doesn't have enough sample size. We saw some great things, and I'm excited. But we got to see him, you know, be able to hit the layups and stuff routinely, consistently, every time, you know, before we could start saying he's going to go out and win the AFC East. I'm super excited just like everyone in this area. And I'm with you. When this episode is coming out, which is this Tuesday, we'll literally be talking with Will Kamen. Like right now.

Well, listen, you're listening to this episode. We're talking to Will Campbell. So we'll have no more. We'll know him a little bit more. I'm excited for Will Campbell, too. Regardless, before I even met him or I have met, really met him, he hasn't been on, you know, he's coming on the show next week. I can already tell I like him, though. He just says the right things.

You know what I mean? He died for that great minute, baby. He died for that quarterback. Hey, if you're going to be a jokester and a fun guy, be like that. Yeah. Yeah. That's how you should be. Amen.

Positively. Say the right things in a fun way. To like what you have to do. I don't think he's trying to be a joke. No, I'm just. Well, regardless. He's letting it fly.

If you're going to be a guy that makes you, the sound bites, make them those comments. Man, I'm going to draft Henderson in the first round. I think he's going to be a really good football player. But look at guys, this is football, okay? And I'm not trying to put anything out there, but you can never just count on one guy. Because we've done that plenty of times. that guy gets, you know, let's knock on wood, but, you know, this is football. 22 guys out there.

You don't talk crazy like that, or the football gods are slap you down. Amen. Okay, let's just go with the course. Let's just go with the process. Let's try to build our fundamentals as a team. Let's build our fundamentals of a team and try to improve each week. And let's see where that gets us. I'm sure it'll get you good.

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