Games with Names - The Double with Kyle Larson | Indy 500 & Coca-Cola 600

Episode Date: August 5, 2025

Kyle Larson is in studio! The NASCAR Champ, Hendrick Motorsports driver, and all around wheelman takes us inside his attempt at one of racing's most daunting challenges: "The Double."  (00:00:00) We kick things off. (00:02:20) Kyle joins us on the couch. (00:43:43) We go back to May 2025. (00:55:00) We break down the epic Double day. (1:23:26) We score it. (01:36:31) We hit The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light.  Tickets for the Live Show are ON SALE NOW! GRONK & JULES PRESENT WELCOME TO THE NUTHOUSE! August 28th at MGM Music Hall at Fenway in Boston. Get Tickets Here!Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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May 25th, 2025, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, Speedway, Indiana. May 25th, 2025, Charlotte Motor Speedway, Concord, North Carolina. One man, two tracks, eight wheels, and 1,100 miles. This is the Memorial Day Double 2025. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the double race, the double 2025 Coca-Cola 600 and Indy 500 with race phenom.

If there is a car and fucking pavement or dirt, this guy can race on it. Kyle Larson, welcome to the next. NutHouse, bro. Yeah, thanks. Thanks for having me on. Now, in one sentence, why'd you pick these races? Probably the challenge of it, I would say. But then I also, I looked up to Tony Stewart a lot, and he did it. Smoke. Yeah, smoke. He's the only one to finish both, though. I crashed out of both. Mine was a bit more of a fail than his was. Now, are you going to try it again? probably not the double

like doing both races in the same day but just because like the logistics or just the window of time that you have is way too tight like both years last year it rained so then I didn't even get to do the Coke 600 and then this year there was still another like 45 minute rain delay

and it would have even if I didn't crash I probably wouldn't have been able to finish both so I don't think I would do the double again but I would like to do the Indy 500 again someday hell yeah yeah it's I mean that's a huge race. It's the biggest, yeah. Is it the biggest in the world? I would say, yeah. Yeah, I mean, when you strictly look at like, it may be one of the biggest events in the world, like single-day events. I mean, there's 350,000 people there for the race. So yeah, it's, I wouldn't, I mean,

LaMaw would maybe be another one that's, you know, close to it, but, which I've not been to that one ever, but I heard it's, it's very similar to the 500. That's the 24-hour one. Yeah, they just had it this weekend, yeah. So that's why if you, if you guys, any, any, uh, race heads or carheads. That's why the Porsche, they put that little thing on the left for the Le Mans because he can get in quick because they used to have to race from the line, right? Yeah. And you jump into your car and it's quicker.

I want that left. Look at you, bro. Come on, dog. Yeah, you just taught me something. Come on, dog. That's why the Porsche is on the left, but now they're all push button. Sounds like a Porsche owner to me. Now, what's life looking like these days right now?

You're in the middle of a season. and how do you approach, like, your day-to-day life as a fucking racer? Yeah, so right now, like, in NASCAR, which is what I do full-time. Yeah, we're in the middle of our season. And honestly, dude, my schedule is, like, crazy. Like, I'm rarely home this time of year because when I'm not racing NASCAR, you know, I'm racing the dirt track stuff. So, like, I, you know, and then you throw in, like, do media stuff and all that.

So, like, I'm in L.A. last night. We were just in Mexico, city. Yeah. You know, from Thursday through Sunday. come to L.A., Monday, Tuesday. I race sprint cars, dirt track stuff in South Dakota, Wednesday and Thursday. Then I got to go to New York Friday, and then we're on track Saturday and Sunday in Pocono. So I looked at my calendar yesterday. Like for the next two months, I'll be at home on like some Mondays. And then other than that, I'm traveling racing. So it's

pretty, pretty hectic. Now, how long is that? Is that all year round? Or is that like a, is it really hectic for like six to eight months. So for me, like for your normal NASCAR driver, it's pretty pretty standard. Like you go to the racetrack on Friday, come home Sunday. And that's pretty much every week from, you know, middle of February till early November. But for me, you know, race and all the types that I do, it's really busy. But it's busiest for me, like I would say end of May, early June through like middle of August. And then once I get through August, I don't do any of the dirt track racing because it's getting closer to like our playoffs so i try to focus a little more on that and uh i become a a more typical nascar guy where i'm at home more often

which is nice yeah dude that's it's insane i'm so curious how now what do you do for your nutrition recovery to stay dialed yeah to be able to focus for you i mean your races are what anywhere from three to five hours long yeah yeah sitting there pissing your pants eating fucking electrolytes and power bars in the car like how do you

fucking create energy for this shit? Yeah. Yeah. No, that's a good question and it's, I feel like it's difficult

for me because like I said I'm gone all the time so like I don't have like a routine necessarily like some guys might but uh, I feel like too for like our sport like it's pretty endurance driven. So like for fitness stuff like I like to

ride my bike a lot. You know obviously I'm not like big dude don't have big muscles or nothing. which you don't need, but I think being able withstand the hot temps that are in our car, like this time you're in the summer, like it'll get, you know, 140, 150 degrees inside the car for three and a half hours. So like while, you know, running a heart rate of, you know, fluctuating from, you know, my max would be 190 and, you know, my average heart rate throughout a race sometimes be 150, 160. 150 for four hours? Yeah. So, yeah, it's. Jesus, I'm looking, I'm 62 right now,

I'm just a resting heart rate. Cool as you go there. Yeah, no, it's pretty demanding. But, um, so yeah, with that, though, like trying to stay hydrated. We have like a drink, a drink, like a camel pack in our car, snacks if you need it, trying to stay up on, you know, carbs and all that. So when you're, when you're putting up a snack, do you, are you using the, I am. Are you using right here on a fucking turn?

Yeah. It's like me texting and driving and trying to give my daughter the fucking iPad at the same time. Under caution, yeah, like I'll have to take the gloves off, you know, rip open the pouch, whatever I might be having. What's a snack? So we have these, like, I don't know what brand in the arbor, they're almost like a,

it's almost like a cookie in a way. Just dense. Yeah, like they're pretty good. It makes a mess. It crumbles all over you. But yeah, I don't know what brand that is. God, I can picture it. It's like a honeycomb looking thing.

But there's that and then like those little like cliff, I think it's cliff branded like little gel gummies. Those are good. But man, if you don't drink like fluids with it, Like, it, like, gets me, like, jittery. Yeah. Are you, are you IV in it all?

No, not really, but doing the double on the airplane, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, I don't like to, like, I was even nervous doing that because it's, like, the IV, because then you got to pee. Yeah. So, and, yeah, that's tough. That's, it's a tricky balance. You got to do, like, my pregame cocktail would be like a bag and a half or a bag to two bags, depending on how my spit was for my dip while I was going over my game plan in, in, you know, in the IV room.

So I could always tell how hydrated I was by my spit. All right. Not yet. Came out fast. It came out fast. Yep, we're ready. Take her out. Hey, Jimmy, take her out.

You just need Copenhagen to make an IV next. That's all you do. Yeah. Yeah. So you just came back from Mexico City. How cool was that? Because we, you know, you guys are starting to do the international shit very much like the NFL. We're doing what?

Ireland, Germany, Germany, Brazil. Yeah. London. London, which you're in a domestic sport very much like us. I remember my first time going to London. I ain't never left the country before. We're football guys. We don't really get to go to other countries.

But I enjoyed that process so much, being able to see a different culture, see a different country, and kind of feel like the basketball or soccer guys. How was your experience in Mexico City? So, yeah, I really enjoyed it. And it's so different. So, like, on a typical weekend for us, y'all of our, most all the drivers, we have our own motorhomes that we keep at the racetrack.

We sleep in, whatever. We kind of just lock ourselves in. We don't really, like, you only come out to do your, you know, practice or qualifying race, whatever. Where going to Mexico City, like, it was completely different. Like, teams were chartering big planes and, like, a Hendrick, I think Hendrick Motorsports, Joe Gibbs Racing, and Penske were all in the same planes.

So, like, traveling with other teams would be unique. And then for me, like, all the drivers were at like a hotel together so then you're all hanging out like sitting at the bar hanging out having a good time going to dinner with each other so that was unique and then also like racing in front of a different fan base was pretty cool like probably raced in front of a lot of fans that I've never raced in front of before my life so it was really cool like it was jumping huh were they was it yeah like they had it packed yeah like you should see some of videos like drivers like walking through and like fans were just like tripping over each other trying to get

autographs and stuff like it was it was a cool atmosphere for sure and and I think if we go back I think it would just get bigger uh for sure so it was fun the traffic sucks in Mexico City like way worse than LA but um traffic aside it was it was really cool are you guys driving around like because when we were going through there we'd drive around it'd be like a helicopter with fucking like some federale's on there and she would have half the Mexico police and stuff on motors. There'd be two dudes on a fucking motorcycle, one going backwards. Do you guys have that experience too? It was fucking crazy. I'm like, what is this? Yeah, no. It's like a goddamn video game. Yeah, no, we, I don't, I mean, I think there was some security around us for sure,

but like, yeah, the drivers even had to be like on shuttles together to the hotel. So, like, it was just completely different logistics wise, but it's fun to do every now and then, I think. Yeah, I think it'd be great for the sport. You think any other countries would be fun to bring NASCAR to? So we went, well not, it was before my time, but they used to go to like Montreal, Canada, and I feel like that'd be fun.

Like, everybody talks about how that was like a blast, like going out Montreal and the fans there are crazy. So I raised dirt track stuff in, like, Australia, New Zealand when it's our wintertime. And the fans there are incredible, too. So I'd like to go to, like, Australia and do it in Cup. But then I think going to, like, a European country would be pretty sweet.

I just don't know how well we would be received, you know? Screw that. I think they kind of dig it. Yeah. Because you guys get a little more contact. You guys show real racing. We pass. You're not just like holes.

Yeah. Exactly. Amen. So what's up with this new NASCAR challenge in season tournament? Can you explain this to me? This is kind of cool bringing some buzz. Yeah. Yeah.

So, yeah, we have an in-season tournament now. And I honestly, I couldn't like explain to you. exactly how it works but anyways we're like we're in the middle like our seating process currently so it probably takes like your average finish or these next four weeks whatever you get seated so i think if you're the number one seed you go against 32 32 yeah and then just you just got to beat them each week and then it narrows down just like any playoff would uh to the final week and the winner gets a million bucks so yeah it's pretty sick now are you going to change your strategy yes a little bit like during the regular season because like fuck can't be going balls the walls the walls

crash this thing. I still got to beat Joker who's 32, you know what I mean? That's what's I think interesting right now. Like I, and I'm sure this system will be adjusted maybe in the future, but I think like, you know, I'm looking at it from my perspective and then like my crew chief, right? Like the crew chief, like, they're probably going to be

strategizing like, which you always do, how to win the race. And then like in the driver's side, you're going to have your eye on this guy. So it's like, you know, where I think if they paid out a lot of points as well to win it, then your crew chief and strategists would get more into like, all right, like now we got to, you know, not only look at winning the race, but we, you know, if we just beat this guy, we're going to get a max amount of points. So, because, you know,

the crew chief, like, he's probably, I'm guessing, I don't know our deal, but he's probably not getting any of the money, you know, so it doesn't matter as much to him as it would me or my team owner. So, but yeah, either way, I think it adds some buzz to the middle of the season. I think the middle of the season can get kind of stale sometimes. So I'm interested in it. It should be fun. Now, it gives you a little of that March Madness feel. Yeah.

You know, in the middle of it. And then also the NBA just did this in-tournament season. And then we got NHL who's doing the Four Nations. So these in-season fucking little games are like, they're hitting right now. Yeah. It'll be awesome to watch NASCAR do really well. So like last year they did, well not they. NASCAR

did do it, but Denny Hamlin, I I think on his podcasting, like they created this same thing. And even though, like, I had nothing in it, like, no money to win, nothing like that. Like, it was something I was paying attention to every week. And I think all of us were. So now that there's, like, money on the line, I think it would be, like, really cool. Cash is king. We might need to start a little something on our podcast if Denny's doing it.

Yeah. What are we going to do? Yeah. We should think of something. Maybe a nut house award. NFL, man. NFL needs one. NFL

The season's so short though I feel like it's hard Extremely short Every week's a playoff type Every week is a playoff game Yeah Yeah that's what's cool about NFL Is like the season is so short

That like every weekend is like Matters a lot You can't trick off And have a three game slide No You know or you're gone Yeah And then especially if you're playing

Within the division Those are two win games Yeah Because you're not only getting a win But you're putting someone else Behind another game So those are two in games Man

It's fucking The NFL is nuts. But for all the other sports, and especially sports like basketball, baseball, hockey, and even you guys in NASCAR, competitive stamina and the concentration stamina. You know, we get to line up, do it for seven seconds, and then we get 45 seconds off, redo, recalibrate.

Let's see what we're at. Let's get a pick, you know, boom, bang, and do it again. You guys are on for fucking hours. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, I didn't think of that. Like, competitive. are you a sports fan uh i wouldn't say like i'm a die hard you know like know everything about a certain

team or player or anything but you i i definitely enjoy enjoy watching sports especially playoffs and then football especially you know like i always look forward to getting home sunday night turn on sunday night football monday night football but like i don't get like wrapped up into falling like oh they traded this person or that person you know so um where some of some of the drivers are definitely like that who's your squad who's your teams I mean, growing up in Northern California, I'd say the Niners, for sure. Bang Bang, bang, Niners game. Kings, you know what?

I went to the Kings when they had C-Web and white chocolate and my warriors, man. They were fucking dumpy up. Yeah, not, yeah. And then, I mean, San Francisco Giants, but, like, I've been going to the Dodgers. I went to the spring training earlier this year. Went to the game last night. They treated me super well, so kind of a Dodgers guy, I think. How was that, that stadium is pretty cool.

It's like retro 60s, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. Like I thought, so I just went to Kansas City Royals game, I don't know, a month ago. He's Seamhead. He's a Seamhead. Baseball guy. Yeah, that place was, that place was really nice. And then, like, going to the Dodgers place last night, I was like, damn, I feel like I'm, like, going back in time.

I really, I really liked it. Bro, we got to get you to Fenway. Yes. Do you been in a Fenway? I think I've been in Fingway. Because if you think you're going back in time. Dodgerland. You might see some freaking Yeah. The ghost of Babe Ruth.

I mean, it's built 1912? Yeah. It sounds right. I think Fenway? I've been to Finway. Fenway's insane. I've never been to Riggily. I think Yeah. First pitching? Long time ago, yeah. There's like a trading card of me and it's, I hate it. Like fans come

up to me and I'll autograph it and I'm like scared, you know? Like bad. Oh, how is the pitch? Oh, here we go. The pitch, I think, was decent. but yeah the my face on it's not let's see we got it yeah yeah yeah too bro you look young 10 years ago holy it looks like a middle reliever right there baby yeah pull it in if you need a couple innings get us yeah i hate when fans walk up to me and want me autograph that you look like tin linscombe because tin linscombe was a smaller guy and I remember his the back fans have that and ask you to sign it's

still to this day like probably this weekend it's like every weekend I sign it I'm like man going to run out of this car. Can we get this fucking card and put it in the goddamn on the wall? Can we get the card? Yeah. That's hilarious. Um, so you like sports. Tell us more about this motor home. You said that you guys stay in a motor home. Like not during the race. It's like a big ass, what, C class? Uh, I said, Newell. So it's like a Prevost, like big one, you know. But mine's a, mine's a newl. I mean, they're like over two million dollar, you know, motorhomes.

like they're crazy like I like so I love so the newles versus the provost or the newles are like fully customizable like you can customize the floor plan the size of the slides all that so like my wife she's got like a great vision for things so having three kids you know we're got so like ours is a mid entry so you walk in the middle of the bus and if you walk straight in it's a refrigerator kitchen dynets like into your right couch two like like last lounge chairs, TV, you know, on the front window, but if you walk up the stairs to the left, like immediately left is bunk beds. Kids. Yep. Half bath and then master bedroom bed, uh, you know, closet dresser, all that bathroom shower. You got two bass on this bad boy? Two floors, too. I'm

telling you, man, it's, they can cram a lot of stuff into whatever it is, a 43 foot, you know, motorhome. It's, and I love, so like, I like driving mine too. Like I don't take it, like I don't drive it to NASCAR races and stuff. Why not? Why not? You're a race car driver, dog? Driving everything. But it's fun. Like, you're just cruising around in it.

So I'll take it to some dirt races and stuff. It's fun, yeah. Tone the trailer. I feel like I could actually, like, not just a, you know, pre-Madana race car driver at that. Now, how fast is it go? I mean, I mean, it feels a little sketchy,

but yeah, I mean, I pulled her over like 80 tone the trailer. So I like to see maybe on them, two lanes. Yeah, that's so tight. Yeah, I'm the guy that just digs in the fast lane, too. I'm that asshole, but... Hey, if you ain't... It's smoother in the fast lane. Wait, and then you park it in the infield during the right, like, pre-and-post race?

Yeah, so... That's so tight. I mean, I have a bus driver that takes it to all the NASCAR races, but, um, yeah, it's kind of cool. Like, we all have our motor-ones just, you know, lined up in this motorhome lot, and there's... That's tight. Some of the tracks have playgrounds and stuff for the kids, and, um, it's fun. It's a cool little community.

Now, are you... Do you guys park next to the same guy every time? Who's your neighbor? Yeah, I wouldn't say every time. Like, Ricky Sten also be my best friend in the sports. So, like, we end up next to each other quite a bit. Denny Hamlin and I used to until I feel like we started getting some run-ins. But, yeah, I don't know.

It kind of changes every week. I feel like at the track, like, I'm in the same spot every. year we go to Daytona. I'm in the same spot every year. You know, like your spot doesn't really change. Like, once you get your spot, you've got your spot. So I think the motorhome drivers are like really territorial about that. Now, like, have you ever been chilling on the bus, maybe ripping a couple games of FIFA or whatever your game of choices? Yeah.

And you go over to Denny's and say, hey, bud, I need some AA batteries. I'm out for my controller. You got any? You're like, is it like you guys go over and ask each other for fucking a cup of sugar and shit or what? You guys want to fight each other before the race. We actually used to play a lot of 2K. Two-Ks? Yeah, and he sucks at that.

Recently, he posted something about him being like he beat me on that. But he's like the worst 2K player. But yeah, we used to gamble a lot of money playing that, and I'd have to spot him like 20 points, you know, so. Are you a gamehead? You video gaming? I don't have time for it anymore. I used to be, but kids, man, I don't.

kids when you're a young driver or a young athlete young player the video games are always good because it keeps you out of trouble yeah you know i could see that that was always the yeah the guys did to save money and save time and save trouble now you grew up in cali you now how do what do you call trickle you jump into cali racing become the california now do everyone look at you like oh the collie kid thinks you could just come into our fucking sport or what no because there's actually a lot from California. It's changed. Well, I mean, for a long time, I'd say from like Jeff Gordon, you know, he kind of like paved

the way for California guys. Rainbow Warrior. Jimmy Johnson, California. Kevin Harvick, California. There's probably a lot of others too, but Is it like that though in the, when you guys are all together, like the Cali drivers stay with the Cali? Because like in football, every time we're in a locker room, we're all arguing about

best talent comes from Cali, best talent comes from Georgia, Your best talent comes from Ohio, best talent comes from Texas. Nah, you know what I mean? Is it like that with racing? I wouldn't say necessarily that. I would say racing's different because there's a lot of different types of racing that you can do to get to NASCAR. So like if anything, I would say it's more like dirt racers are better than pavement racers kind of thing. That's the click up.

Yeah, I would say that's it. But as far as like, I would have to, I don't know. I don't think it's more like state driven. but other than dirt versus pavement. Dirt guys are definitely better. Maybe back when Days of Thunder came out, it was probably a little more like that because it was still bootlegging.

Yeah. I would say, yeah, Days of Thunder was still kind of the same thing because Cole Trickle was dirt. He was dirt, right? But he was also from California. But, you know, and then he went over to what's his name to ride the car for the first time and he gave him a look like, hey, California kid,

which can do on this thing. This movie probably played up a little bit more. But yeah, it's similar. dude. Yeah. Tom Cruise. Stop trying to make the frame of reference for all things NASCAR. It's built off real shit.

No. Yeah. What's up with dirt racing? What makes it so different? So, all right. So like in NASCAR, our cars are 3,700 pounds, 670 horsepower. In dirt, we're racing on like a quarter mile track to a half mile with a 1400 pound car with almost a thousand horsepower. Jesus.

So like they're, they're crazy. like the intensity that it takes I mean they're popping wheelies they're flipping like it's just it's a different style of racing it's just I'm trying to like compare it to something like I don't know it's just fast pace

intense and less traction less traction you're sliding more dangerous all of that like the races too are only like 30 laps so if it goes green like if there's no caution like and you're on a small track

like the race could be done in seven minutes. Wow, that's sick. But, I mean, like, yeah, I mean, your heart rate is like, I go from, you know, 80 to boom, like 190 in a lap. Like, it's just crazy. Are you losing weight during a race? In NASCAR, you know, because it's so hot and long, I'm small. Like, I don't really track it a whole lot, but the one time I did, you know, a few years ago

and I lost, like, four pounds. Yeah. But, like, a bigger guy, I mean, they probably losing over 10, I bet. You know, just the amount of fluids that you're losing. What's your favorite thing to race? I like, honestly, like, I get that question a lot. And I like racing everything that I do. Like, I wouldn't be racing, you know, in NASCAR if I didn't like it

or sprint cars if I didn't like it. But there's something about sprint cars on the dirt track. Like I said, 400 pounds, almost 1,000 horsepower. Like, just that adrenaline that you feel is incredible. But I also like the, in NASCAR, like, because it is so different. the two of them like the endurance the strategy the the team you know camaraderie with your pit crew and pit stops and communicating with your team during the race like when you're racing dirt like once you get in the car it's just all you and like the decisions you're making so it's different

i like the i like the team aspect of nascar a lot yeah i remember that when i went and visited a few times few races have been the daytona the new hampshire and i remember watching kyle bush and I went into his trailer or whatever, his fucking motor home. He sat me and we looked at like 50 different pictures of just angles around the turn. Yeah. And he was just sitting there.

He's like, man, see that turn? You see that ain't? That's not good. He's looking over and by, hey, we got to get that. You know, it's crazy how team-oriented NASCAR really is. People don't realize. I mean, it's fucking a team thing.

I mean, we have almost like 500 people working at Hendrick Motorsports for four cars it's 500 it's a lot 125 a car yeah it's crazy and then like two you know

for us and like the data that we have to look at like I can look at Kyle Bush's data yeah and anybody in the field's data and compare myself to them and try and you know figure out how either they're going faster me or like what I'm doing good

that's I'm you got going for me and they're probably all trying to work to get that way and so you're always constantly like studying which is unique that we can see other drivers stuff. Yeah, it's very similar to football because we're all on the same database where we're watching every...

The only thing you can't watch is another team to practice. Yeah. But we can watch all the games. We can watch all their cutups. We can divide everything up. We want to see all their third downs, all their third and threes. And it is four, which NASCAR has, the parody.

You know, I mean, you look at some of these other racing places. I mean, it's just the richest company that wins every time. Yeah, yeah. So, like, having that parody, everyone has a shot. Yeah. That's why it's sick.

Yeah, I mean, you'll, like, in our season, like, I don't know, you'll get 16 to 18 different winners. Yeah. Right? Like, that's incredible. You know, when you look at Formula One, there might be three guys that win all year.

Like, four. Yeah, it's nuts. For stopping Lewis, there's a couple other. I mean, Lewis will probably struggle to win this year, but, you know, The McLaren's and Max, I feel like, are all that can win right now. Now, what... Our George, I guess, just won.

Now, what's up with... Do those guys think they're the best race car drivers? I have no clue. I haven't... I haven't... I never talked to any of them, but... I would imagine, I feel like they probably do, just because the, like, the perception and the media

makes it out to be that way. But then again, I don't know. I think they probably also... There's a lot of people that they probably grew up racing with, that didn't quite make it, make it to Formula One that are now, you know, racing IndyCar,

like Alex Palo or really a lot of guys that go to, you know, IndyCar or sports car racing, they probably, those drivers in F1 that have made it, they probably know that they're extremely good and just didn't, like timing didn't work out.

So I don't know. That's a good question. Like, I would think, yeah, maybe they don't think that they are the best. Yeah. Max, the best. But, you know,

Maybe some of them know that a guy like Alex Palo probably could have done just fine in Formula One. I just wonder what their perspective is on the other races. Like, where they think it's easier, but I don't understand how would it be easier? Like NASCAR you're saying? Yeah, NASCAR and Indy. Like, wouldn't you think that it would be come down to the best driver in all equal environment-ish? Yeah, I don't know. to me it's hard to like know who's the best and and I think fortunately for me like I have gotten the chance to race in a lot of different top series and honestly like everybody's good like everybody's really really good so it's hard to like say who is the best now what NASCAR or what race car drivers do you look up to when you were growing up uh Jeff Gordon you'll be in Northern California guy um and dirt racer uh really I like to

follow all the dirt racers. So Jeff, Tony, Casey Kane, those guys were my guys. So it was cool that I got to race with all of them before they, you know, exited NASCAR. But yeah, I would say Jeff for sure. Like I went, my first day of kindergarten, I was wearing like full Jeff Gordon head to toe. You could probably find that one. Drip. Drip. The Dupont. Everything. Yeah, Dupont, rainbow. Rainbow. That's got a more of the most iconic schemes of all time. Yeah. First day of kindergarten, man. Heck yes. Man. Yeah, so now he's like my boss, so that's really cool. That's wild. He's chairman at Hendrick Motorsports, so yeah. Now, how's that having Jeff Gordon is your boss? Does he ever bring you in and give you a little like words of wisdom? Like, hey,

yeah, yeah, sometimes. Yeah, there I am right there. Let's go. No, Jeff is, Jeff is great because he's like, it's, it's, Jeff is funny because business Jeff, like Hendrick Motorsports, Jeff, very serious, you know, like, and it's hard for me to take that serious because then I also see him at the club and, you know, like, he's, he's, he's like a DJ, right? Like, he's got his own setup and, yeah, so it's hard for me to, like, when he is getting serious, to take him fully serious because he's just like a kid. He's, he's so cool. He's down to earth. Like, it's awesome. Now, what's his DJ name? I don't know if he's got a DJ name. We call him, like, DJ 24-7. DJ 24-7. I don't know if that's what. I like that. He's got.

little ring to it. Yeah. Like we went to, dude, we went to St. Bartz. He invited me on vacation. It's him and his wife, me and my wife, Clint Boyer and his wife, and then another friend of theirs. We're into this house. And dude, he rented a full, like, DJ set, like, I don't know, what they call that, the table. Yeah, like the turntables? Yeah. And then, like, speakers and all that, just to, so he could DJ while he was, while we were on vacation. I mean, it was sick. I really do think that's a new thing. for friend groups. Yeah. Because I have a friend group where one of our friends thinks he's a DJ as well.

Who? Who? Who? Spence at Spence at Spence thinks he's DJ. Just because someone hands you the ox court doesn't make you a DJ. Just because we give you the ox court is we got to bring out turntables, bro. Yeah. But it's crazy.

Like that's a new thing. Like people that come up with money when they're bored, they learn out of DJ. Yeah. Shacks doing it. Shacks too, I mean. Parasilton? Yeah. Everyone's DJ.

His kids are getting ready to go to college too. So I'm like, man, he's going to be that cool dad. Like, what was it, Will Ferrell? Oh, yeah, old school. Yeah, in the picture at USC and his son's rat. Oh, yeah, yeah, that'll be Jeff. Yeah, that'll be Jeff. What's your favorite track of all time?

In NASCAR would be Bristol. Bristol? Yeah, half mile, lots of banking, just like super fast pace the whole time. Yeah, just intense. Like, you catch traffic, lap traffic really quick, and you just, like, it's just quick moves. Like, you've got no time to kind of sit back and relax. So I like that. That was the thing they said about New Hampshire.

there wasn't a lot of berm so it wasn't a fast track right yeah but new hampshire dude it's it's got a long straight away hard yeah it's it doesn't have a lot of berm right no it's really really flat but it's really bumpy um i've not won there it's a it's a challenging place it's uh it's a type of track that like takes a lot of patience like you can really like get yourself in trouble by trying too hard yeah um where i tend to try too hard often so uh yeah it's a it's a challenging place but But I like that track, too. You know, it's so crazy. You know how you just, like, you try hard?

It's kind of like when you play in a race video game and, like, you fucking blow up the car and, like, oh, I got to redo. They, like, try too hard and they really crash. Yeah. It's real. Dude, that's like this weekend. Like, I got wiped out in the, you know, seventh lap or whatever, in the rain. And it was like, not my fault at all.

I was like, fuck, man. I just wish I could, like, hit reset. Reset. Yeah, I just want to respawn and, like, go have fun. Like, I'm not having any fun now. So, yeah. Now, when it's raining, are you guys, you have to use different tires. Yeah, rain tires.

Is there a totally different approach in rain? So I don't have much experience in rain. Like, I didn't grow up racing in the rain. So now that, like, in NASCAR, the last handful years, like, we've been allowed to race in the rain more, not on all tracks, but road courses. We go to more road courses and whatnot, and even short track, ovals. so like I'm like learning on the fly which is super challenging

and difficult and like for me not growing up racing the rain like I've got no clue what to expect like so like you're like trying to build up to you know your confidence on breaking and all that and then the thing with rain is like you step over it a little bit

like you're done you're crashing like what happened this weekend with Kyle Bush so hydroplane you like for me and maybe guys that grew up racing the rain like they know what the limit feels like before you get to the over the limit where i don't know until i get over the limit so yeah chicago last year i like i was like building into it building into building into the break sun and boom locked up straight into the wall yeah so it's it's hard to how do you practice it can you like you don't you don't get to practice you don't we don't

get to practice pitch your mild head coach just sitting there with the hose while you go by on the track. It's going to rain this weekend. Yeah. No, we don't get to practice. Like, we don't get to test. Like, our testing to limit, you know, to save teams money, we don't test at all. Yeah. We get 20 minutes of practice. So, like, unless it's raining in practice, that would be the only time, but it, it doesn't. That's crazy. Wow. What's your least favorite track? Least favorite track. Um, I don't, like, I love the Daytona 500. I love the event. I love that you know I want to win it it's the biggest race you know of our season and all that but like I don't love that style of racing like the Daytonas and Talladegas because it's just there's so

much drafting like where you're just like jammed up drafting and and then there's the big crashes and all that like it takes a lot of luck to win it takes it takes talent for sure to like position yourself in the right spot but I mean you could be doing a great job and then there's a big crash and you're out. And I just don't like that, you know, where the best driver and team who executed that day, you know, wins. I like those ones where Daytona and Taudega, you know, isn't really the case there. Now, when, when you're drafting, you guys are in the big ass piles, centimeters away from each other. And fucking one of the guys decides to be a fucking idiot. Mm-hmm. Right?

knocks everyone in there's 30 car pile up yeah we're sitting there are we getting off the track I know I've seen the public shit is there ever like a group chat like hey motherfucker why the fuck did you do that

now I can't get this goddamn point that a dick face so there is a group chat there is a group chat with all the drivers and most of the time it's all like business like hey you know we got this big meeting coming up you know this time

this time whatever or but then there has been a few times i've noticed our last couple years like somebody will say something little shitty and then like somebody who maybe had a run in with that person like months before like call them out you know and uh pettiness yeah yeah that's always fun so i i like that any gifts anyone using jiffs in there yeah for sure i'd have to go back and look but yes there's definitely it's rare it's rare that you know there's any shit talking i think most of the shit talking either happens in their own private texts or phone calls or in person. But it's always funny, yeah, when you see a little drama starting on the group chat. Who's the one that's always trying to get a little something in the group chat?

Because are the bosses on there too? Or is it like the, it's just drivers? Well, there's a couple group chats. There's just the ones with the drivers and then like the driver, kind of the Jeff Burton is like our rep that kind of like we talk about things. he goes to NASCAR. Is there a name for it? I don't know. Just a bunch of shit.

It's good to get a little clever name. But then there's another, there is another text that's got, like, all the drivers, plus, like, some executives from NASCAR. And that one gets a little, little awkward sometimes at, like, when, I don't know, say there, something happened in the race. And then, like, somebody, like, that was, you know, what the fuck was that? You know, like calling NASCAR out. So those ones are, I try not to.

get, I try not to get in the middle of those. Oh my God. You said it with a thumbs up and keep it moving. It's just like giggling in the background. Who's the most passive aggressive person? Bubba's not scared to say some shit on the one with NASCAR, I feel like. A while doesn't we go, baby. Yeah, he'll drop some stuff in there, which is always, it's, it's deserving, but it's

maybe not the, maybe not the place where to do it. But, yeah, they're usually, like, any, and I'm sure I've done it too, but it's normally like short, like quick, just a little. jabs, you know, but I'm sure Kyle Bush is definitely Oh, yeah. He's calmed down a lot, you know, the last few years, but it's still in there. He's still got it in him.

Kyle, I mean, that fucking guy, I was telling you earlier, I mean, I did that New Hampshire, I was starting it, and you got to start it at 47 miles an hour. Yeah. And like we already discussed, there's not good berm action on that bad boy. So I always wondered, do they put, like, do you just set the cruise control? Set the cruise. Set the cruise. Now I'm in like some fucking 2,000, whatever year it is, 17 Toyota with no fucking suspension, no nothing.

So even though you're going into this turn, it feels kind of shitty. Yeah. You know, even though it's only 47 miles an hour or whatever, 46. Yeah. So I'm going to this turn and Kyle won the fucking pull. And he starts bumping me and waving to me. I'm like, what the fuck is this guy doing? I'm sitting here like, I'm not trying to look stupid.

We're getting recorded and shit. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And then I had my, he didn't hit me. He rubbed me. Yeah. And rubbing his racing, right? Yeah, that's right. Rubbing his racing.

Oh, yeah. Look at you. Yeah, look at that. That was, it looked like a real life race car. Yeah. I was young. You're getting coached on how to do it there?

A little bit. Yeah. I took the shifters out a couple times when I was young. Did you? Oh, yeah. Cool. We'll be right back after this quick break. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it.

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And we go over pop culture, number one movie. This was like last week. We don't have to go crazy. This is just happening. We're living in what's going on right now. This is very nostalgic. Leelo and Stitch, didn't see it yet. My daughter's been dying to see it.

Luther by Kendrick Lamar in season. Cisa. This is, uh, we need to go back to when Tony Stewart actually completed. Oh, I like that. Let me do a little research on the fly here. It had to be like early 2000. Yeah, that's a fun. What is, ooh. Yeah, this is way too current. This is current. We can't blow past this. What's the best race movie of all time? Days of Thunder. By far. Days of Thunder. Can't not turn it. Yeah, Days of Thunder. Sinna, Sinna is a great movie, like the documentary one of Sina. A Sina. Ayrton Sina, Sina. Yeah. Formula One. You have to watch it. It's really

good. One of my favorites is Rush. Yeah? Have you seen that one? Yeah, I've seen Rush. Yeah, I've seen Rush. Yeah, I've seen Rush. Yeah, that was a good one.

That's a really good. Yeah. I wonder how the new F-1 movie will be. You think it'd be good? Brad Pitt. Yeah. I mean, we're trying to save the movie industry. It better be fucking good.

Yeah. I mean, that's the only thing is going to go to the movie theater to see Brad Pitt and a fucking race car. Yeah, it comes out like the end of his month. A lot similar to like Top Gun Mavericks, so cameras are like in the car. Okay. They do like really practical. It's the same director.

Yeah, it should be great. You a big movie guy? Yeah, I mean, I like watching movies. Is that how you kill some time sometimes? Are you watching a lot of kid movies with the kids? Kid movies, yeah, Disney Plus is on all the time. I like to catch up on, like, Netflix, you know, and watch some, like, series and stuff on flights. I just feel like there hasn't been that many good movies to come out in the last few years.

It's tough. It's kind of all turned to, yeah, like Netflix stuff. It is. It's all stream shit, no. Back in May of 2001, when Tony did it. the Mummy Returns top of the box office. Is that a great? Frasier. Yeah, baby.

Shrek was number two. The original Shrek? We had Christina Aguilera topping the charts with Lady Marmalade. That's back when culture was at its height. What year was that? 0-1. First Super Bowl for Patriots.

That's right. Do you guys like Talladega Nights? Is that movie funny or is that dumb for you guys? I mean, I like the movie. I think it did not do anything good for our sport. I think it turned our sport into like a job. joke unfortunately but it is

I mean that's got to be like the most one of the most popular race movies it's just a funny comedy with those boys yeah but that's just I feel like it just the rest of the world like that's what they think about our sport now I still think of it as one of the hottest short men of all time

getting pulled over by some really smoke show great scene after winning the Daytona 500 yeah that's what I think of the coolest that might be one of the best movie scenes in the history of movies. Dude. Or every time you see the NASCAR driver walk up,

this little, little like short, steadily dude with his girlfriend that's about six inches taller than him. That's what I always used to say when I had a taller girlfriend. I feel like the NASCAR drives right there, baby. I said, I feel like a NASCAR driver. I'm about to get in my car. We are due for a good NASCAR movie.

Like, we do for... I think they're going into... Days of Thunder. Well, I was with Jeff Gordon the other night and he's good friends with Tom. And he went to whatever, the premiere or whatever, Mission Possible. He's like, yeah, right when I seen Tom, he's like, we're doing it. We've got to do another days of thunder.

So let's go. Yeah, I hope they do it. You're doing a cameo if they ask you? I would absolutely be in it. I would like to be in it. What if they asked you? We need you to be the bad guy. The bad guy.

I don't know. I don't feel like I'm the bad guy yet in real racing, so I don't think I could be the bad guy. Heal. Now, do you guys think about that? Like when you're going over, like who's the heels and who's? Well, Denny Hamlin is definitely the heel right now. And he plays it up so great, though. And he's good.

He's with a good team, so he can back it up, too. So, yeah, he's good. I don't know. I feel like us at Hendrick Motorsports, we like to just, like, be, you know, I feel like we're kind of like the Patriots. Kind of like the Yankees. Yeah, like there's just like never any drama, you know?

Like, just win. I wouldn't go that far with us. Well, well. We had a few gates, buddy. Yeah. Yeah, but I don't know. I never really looked at any of players as being like the bad guys. Yeah, you know.

Well, I mean, we have one of those, too, but I am curious, though, to that point, how much, like, I know your teammates at Rick Hendrick, like, Hendrick Motorsports, but, like, how, like, teammate are you really? Like, much, like, team, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. No, I mean, I would say we're definitely, we work really hard together. Like, we're in all sorts of meetings with each other, full open book between the crew chiefs and all that to see, you know,

setups and strategies, and they're constantly communicating with each other. the track we're trying to work with each other the best we can um but yeah i mean you definitely you're battling you're racing so we've all had you know times where we've had run-ins with each other and whatnot i ran into chase elliott a couple of times and and you know got some wins that way so we've had definitely some drama there um as you know other teammates within but um overall yeah we're we work like super well together i would say like hendrick motorsports probably does the best job of working together. Oh, that's tight.

Well, what's... What's the lap count? On what? No holds bar. What's the lap count? I don't know. Fuck you. You're not my teammate no more.

We're both going for this. What's the lap count? Is it the last lap where you guys are saying, fuck it, we're racing? Well, I... We got 10 laps soon. Because there's a time where you boat the race car drivers and you both want to win

because we all know there ain't no second place. I don't know. I got in trouble at Watkins Glens. so I think there's there is no lap count. Walking them down. Let's go out. I like that.

Another great race movie. Cars. Yeah, cars. Yeah, car is great. Yeah. Made her. Good roller coaster, too. Yes.

Lightning McQueen. Lightning McQueen. Yeah. The kids love it. Yeah. Jackie, why don't you break us down to this beautiful race day that was his store? We got to glaze up Kyle real quick.

Got to. Get some flowers. Show some accolades. 32 NASCAR Cup wins. 17 X Finity Series wins. four craftsman truck series wins go we know this dude dominates everything dirt related anything with four wheels brother um we talked about the 32 nascar cup wins coca cola 600 finish in 2021 won that bad boy uh one in vagus three-time nascar all-star race winner kind of tight that it's

back at uh back at north wilksburg yeah i like that yeah um 20 2014 rookie of the year uh right now current times we're talking second in the uh point standing Let's go. Three wins this season, balling out. A 16 races total, 11 top tens, nine top five. How many points do you get a win? 60, I think. So you're down, you're down like, you're not too far back.

Yeah, yeah. No, like if he had a bad race and had a good one, yeah, you could get a big swing. But William Byer, my teammates leading. But, yeah, I don't know. You just want to, like, so our system's weird, like, winning is super important. Like, if you win, you get five bonus points. that you carry over to the playoffs. So, like, every win really can benefit your playoffs.

So, yeah, you're just trying to win races and win stages during the races. So, yeah, just try to do a good job, like, all race long, every weekend. Yeah. Now, describe your race style. What do you think your race style is? I would say I am very aggressive, fast, like on the edge. Like, I would say that I live kind of on the edge

and step over it often. too but i live closer the edge compared to the most um compared to most drivers so i think that's where a lot of my success comes from but then that's also where a lot of my wrecks and dnfs like i probably crash the most too but i also win the most um so i think that aggression probably stems from all that it's a fine line it is yeah and and for a football player it's the same thing like I could always remember red line like our body is our car yeah you know what I mean and there's a time where you have a ball in your hand and you're breaking a tackle and there's three dudes come in full speed big now do you want to try to break this fucking thing and and or do you want to let

the party end yeah when you're young dumb full of come you're trying to break it every time and guys are hitting you left and right you know what I mean but the day you lose that is the day you you lose your edge. Yeah. So it's, it's a crazy thing and I can only imagine for a racer.

And that's, yeah, and that's kind of where like I feel like I'm at my career is like, how do I, how do I harness that? Like, how do I still have

that aggression? Situational recklessness. Yeah, yeah. How do I, yeah, how do I have that and like, how do I keep what's good about me and about that,

but also like tame it down enough to where I'm not, you know, getting DNFs or whatever, but I'm also still winning a lot and contending a lot. So it's a, you know, I think what makes Kyle Arson, Kyle Arson is that aggressiveness, but yeah, I do crash a lot. Hey, it's part of it. Now, what pro athlete from another sport would you say you're most like? Oh man, I don't know. I don't know. I might need your help

with that but somebody who's like versatile you know i i don't know if like playing different sports versatile would be it or playing different positions like in the same sport like diana sanders yeah what do he say his drive style was speaking of double days speaking of double days yeah dion went down the helicopter the same thing played in a baseball game and a football game you're dion sanders a racing yeah i guess maybe dion with 10 toes though with 10 to well they had to come of his I bet you you still can run a 4-4. I bet's all. Easy money. No, not 4-4.

But he could probably hit 4-6 with that thing. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that. Maybe him. Just being able to, like, race a lot of different types of cars. You'll play a lot of different sports like he did. Bo Jackson. Ooh.

Man, I like a Bo-Comp. Now, how do you choose... Did you get to choose number five or do they give that to you? No, they gave that to me. So, Rick Hendrick, my owner, his son, Ricky Hendrick used to race a little bit, and he unfortunately passed away in a plane accident. So my paint scheme number, all that, well, the five and the 17 that we use in Xfinity is like his numbers. So it's kind of a cool touch on, on, you know, Ricky Hendrick.

Awesome. Yeah. Is there like a little like a, like when you're wearing another guy's number in the NFL, you want to make him probably like a, I remember like Terry Labani used to rates five. Like, yeah. Is there a little like five, like a little club? well so like at Darlington we have like a throwback race so we we the whole sport I wouldn't say the whole sport but majority of the sport now um like we'll all have different like throwback paint schemes to like you know beginning of time NASCAR or whatever you know works for your team so like for us we've done Terry Labani the last couple years yeah Kellogg's car was fine yeah Kellogg's dude it's it's sick like it's such a cool paint scheme and yeah I had Terry out at the race and all that so yeah I would say like that weekend especially is when you want to, like, do them proud, crashed both times. Hey.

Yeah, so. You're going to go fast. You got to try, maybe. You can go fast into something. Yeah. Either Victory Lane or that goddamn wall. We're going fast. What's the coolest paint job of all time, you think?

Your favorite. So another one, I had Darlington throwback. It was the Kyle Petty, the mellow yellow. It looked like the Days of Thunder. Yeah, pull that one up. Melo yellow. Days of Thunder paint scheme. Yeah, I would say I iconic would be like Dale,

Jeff Gordon, like DuPont. I don't know, would you go rainbow or, or, uh, that's tough, man. Yeah. That's so my car.

That's like old school. My dad's mechanic and like, who's the, the gas provider for this? Sunoco. He would nowadays would be Sunco, but I think, yeah, well,

the gas companies, he owned a shop and they'd always send like if you bought a certain amount of parts and shit, they'd always send these NASCAR. We get, we had the metal. Really? I think 76. Oh, yeah, back in the day maybe.

76. Probably 76. Any other ones? Richard Petty, 43. Classic. I mean, I do think the Terry Lobney Kellogg's is like a pretty iconic one. It's up there. Mark Martin.

Remember Mark Martin and six? The Viagra Carbett. The Boner Mobile. That was iconic. Yeah. The Jordan one's sick. Yeah, that one's cool now. Just because it's Michael Jordan.

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of our sport, I feel like. Just super intense. Like, no time for bullshit. I like it, though. We're here for one job and one job. And Chad Canals was his mentor, also Bill Belichick. Who else do you guys have in there? Who else do you have to deal with

on a as like a coach or or someone in that i mean cliff would be like a crew chief would be like our coach the engineers i would be i would say you're kind of probably like your offensive coordinators in a way running the numbers for you tone hey yeah yeah yeah strategizing a little bit um pit crew pick crew what would that be like trainers offensive line maybe oh kind of that's a good comp than the offensive line it can be because they're they're like offensive line and trainers put together. Yeah. And the driver, I guess, would be like quarterback. That sounds right. Gas man. That's like a trainer, water guy. The water. Gas man, would that be like the center? And the gas man's kind of like the trainer.

Yeah. In between water breaks, bro, you got to say, I drink. Give me a shot. Give me a shot. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe Gibbs. Yeah. I can't believe he's one. He's a legend, bro, in our sport. I know. Is he a legend in your sport? Yeah, I would say for sure. I mean, he's got to be. I mean, they've, they've, won how many NASCAR championships. And he's what, what, three Super Bowls? Two. Two?

Did he get three? Do you play retro bowl on, like, a cell phone game? And I always, it blows my, because I think of Joe Gibbs, you know, I'm, I think of him as NASCAR. Like, I forget that he was a coach. Football coach, but like on retro games, like you win the Super Bowl or whatever. And it's like, you're like, it shows your stats. It's like, it says Joe Gibbs, three championships.

I'm like, wow. See this fucking, you mean the NASCAR guy? Yeah. Well, he was, what, early 90s, late? late 80s soupies and then he jumped over to NASCAR in mid-90s, right?

It was in mid-90s? And then he came back 0-4-0-07. 0-4-0-7 and then he came back to football. Yeah, 0-4-0-7 with the Redskins, yeah. And they went to the playoffs

a couple times. So he's got two or three? He's got three. He's got Super Bowl 17 because you got the SCAP one too and Super Bowl 26. Well, there was a strike. Oh, I don't know.

So there was a strike in like, what, 90? So they had a, replacement players for the first three weeks. Really? And so because the players weren't going in because of money, contract stuff. And so they had replacements. But then they broke the strike. They kicked the replacements out. Washington Redskins, they played like a 12-game season that year and they won the Super Bowl, I think. Oh, it's kind of like asterisk a little bit. A little asterisk-y. I feel like there's strikes all the time. Like I always read like football players or NBA, whatever sport. Like I feel

there's always strikes i find that interesting yeah well it's we have lockouts now there's no more strikes okay or yeah i guess the same thing which is the same thing but the owners are doing it and it's all because of the money yeah i mean we have you do you guys have a union yeah a driver's union yeah yeah that's kind of what that group chat thing is in a way so like if you have a strong union, you probably don't strike a lot because you guys are getting a good deal. But a lot of the times with football and a lot of these other sports, you know, the TV contracts are always going so up that like you outgrow these things that you agreed to. Yeah. And it's just a way for there's a lot more players too. So a lot more players. A lot more players. Yeah. A big disparity of wealth

between the top guys and the bottom guys. In football, the career span is so short. Three years. Yeah. I know, that's wild, man. It's wild. Yeah, I always, it blows, like, how do people, like, survive, like, when they get done? You know, like, they're still in their mid-20s and their careers. I know. Start a podcast.

Well, I'm saying, like, even guys, like, maybe that didn't earn, you know, that much. Like, it's just crazy, and they've got their whole life to figure out. Honestly, bro. Yeah. That's what's great about racing is, like, we could race, you know, like, you could break out in Grace and Cup, you know, when you're 18, 20 years old and, like, go to your 45 or more. And we're lucky in that aspect. What I would say to that is even if you're, if you got a couple years or only got college or high school,

you may not be doing it for, you know, a job and you may have a little pain, but the things that you learn from football and team sport are going to be able to serve you for the rest of your life. And if you keep that same mentality that you had in sport and transitioning into something else, that's where you're gaining human capital. It may not be that capital in your pocket. Yeah.

But it's teaching you shit. So hopefully that's what you think a lot of that these guys take from the game. Yeah. Because we'd be playing it for free if we couldn't. You know, I love the game. I don't, you know what I mean? You guys race probably for free.

For sure. Now that it becomes a work, your job, you want to be compensated the right way. But, you know, you get it. um jacky break us into the double all right leading up to this thing we got to set the stage here so you get to indy one in the afternoon charlotte's more like 6 p.m. backing up yes the fucking canons that they blow off go off at like 6 30 in the morning yeah you're ready yeah you're staying the track and like you're up and at it at 6 6 in the morning cheese that's gross for just this one for the

500 yeah what is what is I don't I get the milk I get the bricks like what do we got to do with the cannons that's a little much yeah it's wild It's a holiday, baby. This is a race day. I mean, fans are rolling in, you know. Facts. Before them. You got gronk down there in the snake pit going nuts.

Yeah. I didn't meet him with a whole brook. He's awesome. He was really cool. He's a fucking. Yeah. You guys got to chop it up a little bit? Just real quick.

Like, he stood at our car during, like, the National Anthem and stuff. Yeah, and he was cool. That guy, he's our man. Big boy. I mean, I'm a little guy. He's a big boy. He's a big guy. Yeah.

I thought it was, by applause for, I was like, man, how does this compare to like the Super Bowl? And he's like, dude, this is bigger. Like, this is cooler. Like, the atmosphere is cooler than the Super. I've never been to the Super Bowl to watch, but he's like, he blew my way. He was like, there's regular season games that feel bigger than the Super Bowl. Would you agree?

Like, atmosphere-wise. Yes, because the Super Bowl, you have a lot of fans of just the game there. There's no one specific side. Gotcha. Because the ticket prices are so expensive that you're not getting the real freaking fan from South Boston that is going to yell. the whole time or you know what I mean it's a little more corporate that's probably what I guess

what he meant then that's what he meant you know it's such a race community in indie that those people yeah are just there for that yep you know what I mean and you get that with the Super Bowl the Super Bowl the Super Bowl is an awesome event but it's not as big yeah because we only have what 80000 capacity stadiums maybe 100 and 1 you guys have 300,000 people there's a lot of people at the super bowl but you you see a mass amount of people at once at this fucking race you know throughout the week there's a bunch of Super Bowl shit but yeah that's like one day just yeah that infield thing it's crazy it looks so fun it's like a bucket list sports item i know it is event for us i feel like we played a Super Bowl on indie we lost you know fucking giants um

oh yeah yeah we and we played it in indie and so we we had like a welcome to the super bowl weekend for our family after our week of work is done you go there a week early you practice and then you welcome your families in it on Friday and stuff and we used the indie track and you could take a lap in the car and we had like a big like party function for our family and stuff at the track which is really cool that's cool embrace the Indianapolisness of the Super Bowl it didn't turn out sweet though yeah bummer as my double I was just going to say that brings us into the continuing 1100 total miles of the double this day only five,

Kyle becomes a fifth guy to try it. That was, we talked a little bit earlier about Tony Stewart, John Andretti, Robbie Gordon, Kurt Bush, and now Kyle again,

which brings us into... Andretty's son, right? No. Nephew, I think. Nephew, I think his, Marco was in this race, who is his grandson.

Grandson? I mean, I'm interested. He can't have an Indy 500 without an Andretti, it feels like, it's just par for the course there. But then that gets us into indie, which starts the double,

as we said, 1,100 miles. Think of that as like, it's like Houston to Chicago. It'd probably be more than seven hours of racing, too. Yeah, seven hours, like, plus. Yeah, I would say eight to nine. And it's raining out from the get-go. Everyone's, like, sliding around, caution flags. Pretty much seems like slick track from the jump, wouldn't it?

I mean, yeah, probably. And, uh... I crashed, yeah, that's right. That's why. You get to lap 92 crashed after that little after the restart. Everybody was kind of tight in there. Could you take us through that a little bit, Kyle? Yeah, just restarts are crazy in the Indy 500s because it's so hard to pass. Like once you get going, just the turbulent air and all that.

So like when restarts happen, the pace is a little slower. So you're like trying to get really aggressive. I got really aggressive and got like really close to somebody and got tight or understeers, they would call it. And then like when you get, I got out left and got above. bunch of downpours back on my car it like grabbed and spun and crashed so once you got out of the wind tunnel yeah fucking yeah it manipulated your car yeah because my wheels were turned or yeah yeah so it got me dang that's so fascinating that stuff the winner of that one ends up

being Alex Alex Palo what went went into your decision to actually do the double um I don't know so I've wanted to do it for a long time so I used to race for Chip Ganassi and NASCAR and he He's actually who Alex Polo won Indy 500 for. So, like, I felt like the opportunity was always going to be there for me to do it. But, like, where we were at NASCAR, like, we weren't super competitive, you know, or at least, like, guaranteed, you know, to make the playoffs. So I didn't, I just felt like it was always going to take too much focus away from what was important in NASCAR. So I just didn't ever do it when I was with Chip.

Well, once I got with Hendrick Motorsports and we're, like, consistently up front and winning races and stuff. And, like, our team is really solid. You know, I was like, okay, I think I could go do the double now. So we had a great year in 2021, won the championship. And, yeah, I asked Rick and Jeff Gordon if I could do it, and they supported it. So it took a long time, though. I mean, that was 21, and I didn't run it until 24. So it was like a lot of planning and getting with the right team and all that.

So, yeah, it was a lot of waiting, I guess. So, yeah, it did not go well, was kind of a bummer. Now, who do you contact when you say, I want to jump into an Indy car? Like, was there like, how did that go down? Like, you just, hey, I'm Kyle Larson here. I first had asked Rick Hendrick, because he was the one that was going to flip the bill for it. Shout out Rick. Yeah, shout out Rick.

Thank you. And then we race Chevroletes and NASCAR, so it had to be a Chevy team in IndyCar. And there's, so, yeah, then that kind of narrows your pool down. So then, yeah, we just got... Does someone have to sit out because you're going in? No. So McLaren, who I ran for, yeah, they always run an extra car for the 500. So I was just in that extra car.

That wasn't your first time driving an Indy car. No, no. So I had done the Indy 500 last year as well. Yeah, you have a lot of practice days, actually, for the Indy 500. It's like two weeks of every day you're on track. So you get pretty familiar with the car But like You're never really in like a full racing situation

So that's you know Where you get into the race It's just it's you're again For a guy like me like you're learning on the fly It's different Which is a fun challenge But then yeah then you make mistakes And it costs you

So you're in the middle of NASCAR Are you So you're racing one weekend And then you're flying to indie to practice And then you're racing back on a Thursday to go. For doing the Indy 500, I basically, my motor home goes Indy. And so I raced at Kansas, I think it says, yeah, May 11th, we raced Kansas.

I left there, flew to Indy, and that was basically my home for the couple weeks. So I was there, and then we had to do the all-star race in North Wilkesboro, so I didn't get to do any of practice or qualifying or heat race. So did qualifying at Indy and then flew to North Carolina, did the, All-Star race, Sunday night, and then back in Indy Monday, stayed there, and then back to Charlotte, Saturday for practice and qualifying, and then, yeah, back and forth Sunday for the race. Jeez. That back-and-forth is insane. So, like, for a normal person, normal driver, probably a lot. But for me, like, I'm never, like, in one place for more than a day.

So, like, for me to get to stay in Indiana for a whole week, two weeks, basically. vacation was like was calm and like easy um so yeah it was that i think that surprises people you know for me what did you learn from this whole thing um double race yeah that's a good question well i don't know i fucked up so i learned to to probably take a little bit more easy uh on the restart but um no i think for me like just working with a different team you know drivers that you know different totally background than me, seeing how they like communicate and work together, I think was good to kind of take away and you can implement that to how we work together as teammates on the NASCAR side of things. So seeing how they kind of look at things differently, how they describe their car, what they look for and feel and set up. And I'm sure they probably even look at me and how I communicate from a NASCAR perspective too. So yeah, I think there's definitely things to take away. away from it. And then after the day ends early in Indy, what goes into like the logistics between locations straight to the helicopter? Yeah, so I had to go to the care center to get

checked out. Okay. That makes sense. And it's crazy. Like it's such a rush. Like I never got to see the team mechanics or anything after I crashed. You're out of the carous center into a Tahoe or suburban whatever to the helipad, helicopter to the airport, and then get on the plane and fly to Concord. another helicopter to the Charlotte Motor Speedway and yeah really just straight to the driver intro stage so and that was with me crashing it halfway right yeah 92 or whatever yeah because there was a 45 minute rain delay so

even without the crash like I wouldn't have been able to finish because we were gonna start we were this the NASCAR race was the priority so I was gonna have to not finish the Indy 500 to get there in time anyways so that's crazy yeah I probably couldn't have gone a whole lot longer Anyways. So you're just always looking at the clock. You kind of know when you have to go.

Yeah. So like when we were sitting there on the front stretch for the race and it starts, you know, kind of spitting rain. Like I'm like, I know I only have, you know, maybe 30 minutes of wiggle rooms. I'm like, look at my watch. I'm like, God damn. Like, I can't believe this is happening because there was no rain in the forecast. Like it was zero percent chance of rain.

Jeez. And it fucking rained. So. I wish I was weatherman. Then on the flight, you get an IV, Chipotle Bowl. I didn't. I didn't get an IV. this year just because I didn't run very long and it was kind of cold so and I was just really just

pissed at myself so I just didn't want to like I was just mad now you were mad going into the second race I was I was upset but I was pretty well mentally reset you know by the time we got on the ground um you know I feel like I move on from things pretty quickly so yeah I was I was mentally in a good spot before the race and then yeah we had a great great race going to start the 600 was leading and yeah I just got loose hit the wall got damage and then we kind of had to fight through that for the next couple hours and then yeah it was going to have it okay we weren't going to win but I was I felt like we could finish top 10 and then there was a big crash on the front stretch and I got collected in it so yeah yeah not the way not the way that I wanted my day to go or

thought that it could go but it is what it is honestly it's just it's life and I think it just shows that racing is difficult and you know even for you know good drivers not every race is going to be perfect now we we all talk about how in indie is such a huge

race city we all forget that Charlotte is like Charlotte's like the NASCAR the NASCAR indie that's right baby like that's so explain what's it like racing in Charlotte it's well I think I think I love yeah like you said it's very comparable to indie like the community

and indie is big you know for racing same with Charlotte like all the race teams are there all the drivers live there all the mechanics like you can't go anywhere and not run into somebody from you know the industry so lots of race fans obviously being in the south

so yeah the 600 is also one of the biggest races you know of the season crowds always packed they do a they do a great job with like the in some memorial day so they honor military veterans ends extremely well, probably better than any, you know, sport does. I feel like NASCAR does

a great job of that. So, yeah, and it's just, it's a home race. So, like, all the family members are there, all the team members. Because a lot of, you know, like I said, there's almost 500 people that work and not, you know, only a hundred of them maybe go, or less than that, go on the weekend. So, like, when we're racing at home, like, they're all there. So it's fun, and it's an important race to win. Now, which one of these tracks have the best food? Best food. you know what I mean like So you're talking like food at the track or just like Out

Do you guys get like a catering from Do you ever like you're in Charlotte Don't they got a good ass barbecue there And like you got some dude from Charlotte At a cool little spot like hey eat my ribs Gotta get a little outside the city for the good barbecue But I'm sure they have It's fucking NASCAR guys

These guys can send someone 45 minutes away To go pick up a guy You know what I mean They got the bells The best barbecue would be Texas I think in my opinion Kansas City probably as well.

But my favorite barbecue is when we go to Texas called Heartate Barbecue, I think. It's like 15 minutes from the track. It's really good. I would say for like track specific food, though, like Martinsville is known for their hot dogs. Ooh. I think they're disgusting. They're like, I don't know. They're like, I don't know if they're like colored eye on them or what, but they're like,

oh, the red. They're like red. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's a little, it's a little much. Yeah. It's jarring to see something. Redmond.

Did you get a Dodger dog the other night? No. I got a, they had Uber Eats. What? Like, yeah, say like an Uber Eats line.

So I wanted to try that. So I did Uber Eats, and I got like a burger and garlic fries. The guy like, the Uber Eats driver like came to your seat. No, you just like, there's like a specific line for it.

Oh, I got you. Yeah. I thought. Yeah. I was like I want to see if they come to my seat. Oh yeah. Oh,

like I submit it. But you skip the long line, so it's still better. Whoa, that's a pro move. Yeah. We miss that. Yeah. but it's fine yeah worth it so let's break down this double so finishing just to put a little

bow on uh each race indie Kyle finished 24th Alex below won that one that was his third win in a row in Indy car he won in Bama Indy and Indy um then we move into Charlotte I know Adam a little bit you sent me a helmet for real think so is that is that right there I think it's right over there Alexander he's a big he's a football fan I think too I had no clue are you about Alexander or am I tripping. There's an Alexander. Adam Alexander, the Fox guy. On the call, Adam Alexander, yeah, he's on the NASCAR broadcast.

Oh, heck yeah. Who's the guy who won? Alexander Rossi? Yeah, Rossi. Norcault guy, yeah. Yeah, North, that's who. He got me the home. Too many Alexes out of there. Ross. Fucking Alex is everywhere. Dude, I'm more of a Dale Jr. got myself on this. I love him. We're talking on the call, baby. Me, Dale sat and talked for like an hour at the Daytona 500. He's a really cool dude. He's a

normal guy. Dude. And I just remember him on Wrangler commercials when I was a kid i always thought he was so cool oh heck yeah yeah see we got some indie shit got all the autographs on there what year 17 2017 there's a long beach that was the long beach that's right it says indy 500 on it but it was from the indie but it was at the long beach gotcha i did that uh i did the mario andretti two car guy thing with with uh in long beach oh yeah the two-seater yeah yeah it's badass do marro drive you yeah oh that's so cool it was it was so cool that was what like five year, four years ago.

All right, put it on, my bad. And then in Charlotte, Ross Chastain got the dub, Kyle finished 37th, wrecked on, in that multi-car crash on lap 246, 99 car. Yeah.

Took a bunch of people out. Try to go 1,100 miles. I think we barely went like 600. Dang. Yeah, not good. Tried, though. I feel like that's like, just the attempt is incredible

for the sport and the attention to it brings to motorsport. It's so cool. Yeah, definitely brought a lot of attention to it. So that was really cool, you know. So just wish we'd have gone. better but oh well i feel you man maybe next time is there going to be next

time not on the double probably but hopefully a next time as far as indy 500 never ever say never yeah yeah maybe I just don't know how like they like the logistics couldn't be any because i mean the indy 500 starts it like yeah 1230 1 o'clock

that's pretty early i feel like you know for guys on the west coast um and then the 600 you know it ends at like 1130 p.m so like you can't really like move them either direction to make that window bigger so but yeah no it's still cool

it's a really uh it's cool it's cool to do it that's an unbelievable feat to even try though like that's bad ass bro you crashed in this one you gotta tell us what it feels like to be in a crash now is it like when you fall from like surfing a wave you're supposed to just let

the water do whatever it does to you kind of yeah like I always arms back yeah like I take my hands off and just like like oh I hope this isn't going to hurt and sometimes it does sometimes it doesn't hurt that bad and you're like wow that was better than I expected but

the indie car surprisingly was like I never like if you look at any of my crashes you wouldn't say they were like big but man this hits were pretty solid so that was surprising but I've had some good ones I've flipped in NASCAR

in the dirt racing stuff I've flipped like pretty hard where like the blood kind of rushes in your like the Gs start taking over and your hands are going and blacked my eyes out. So yeah, that was fun. That was in New Zealand too. So I was in a different country. That was a bit odd. Yeah, I've had a lot of big ones for sure. Broke a rib at Taudega. I'm sure I've had some concussions, but I've never like been diagnosed with them. Is it for real with like the, the race? car mentality if someone gets in a crash or something you don't even talk to them like hey we don't talk he just for the jinx factor or something is there any of that shit superstition because you know like

whenever someone usually wrecks or something they always said they did it in Daytona or what days of thunder where like they don't oh yeah they don't really talk they don't talk with the guys no yeah you know what I mean because they don't want that juju on them like hey man fuck we got to worry about our car yeah I don't know if it's the juju other than like you just don't want to like I think on that like you don't want to remind yourself like this is this could happen so maybe maybe there's that I see guys hurt yeah on the field you know like you pay your your respect but not like try to get away from it just because I would say it's scary yeah yeah I would say more like that yeah but you just don't want to see anybody get hurt you never never never never never do and

thankfully like our I feel like our sport you know you don't see it too often where people are getting hurt anymore like seriously technology yeah you know the technology nowadays and and the safety restrictions in all sport. Yeah. You go back and look at the helmets that, you know, they were probably racing in, we were playing in. Like, there was no fucking, those guys, they told us, you watched like the old ones

at Dale Earnhardt, they're like in fucking windbreakers. I went to, so I got to, Brett Beach is a big fan of mine. So I got to go to the Chiefs facility a few weeks ago when we were at Kansas. And they gave me one of Patrick's helmets. They're fucking heavy. like why are they so heavy because you need to distribute that fucking energy from what about like the momentum what about the weight momentum of like hitting the ground

strength huh your neck you wear that thing for two weeks your neck gets so strong and you're always working your neck like it's not heavy to the guy because they've A been doing it their whole life yeah you know and B you know you have the strength to hold that thing yeah yeah I get that. I just, man, they're so heavy. I said the same thing because I used to, when I first got in a league, I used to wear the Rydell. It was a lot lighter. And then I started getting banged up and I went to the speed revolution. And then I went to the Vices, which was this other one. And it was fucking, it was like, what you said. It was like, well, there's just more, there's just more, like, little gadgets and shit and spacing. You know, the weight distribution is different. But I don't know if it's better. I don't

I'm not that doctored into it, but. But I mean, you've hit with a lot of different types of homes. You can feel it. I'm sure the difference, right? Yeah, it feels like you're hitting with pillows. Yeah. Just because you see how, like, they're designed now with, like, the shock absorption, absorption, the type of material, the helmet's made out of. Yeah.

Everything's kind of like, it's like dead sounding almost. Yeah. Why do you think more people don't wear the guardian things? This is because they look ugly? Yeah. bullying bullying I would imagine

they're safer yeah you got guys you go tell that to the guys playing in the 70s and the 80s yeah yeah they look

yeah no it looks bad but dude it's honestly like that you know what it is it's a swag thing yeah like the old timers are probably

look at them like say they're soft the new guys are like smarter and like well we're not we're going to be able to talk

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brickyard 400 all-star race bristol night race southern 500 at darlington like all of them but the Daytona 500 so probably yeah probably that one save the best for last yeah yeah yeah the best got lucky now let's name the let's name the game and score the game that's what we usually call it but this is the races the races score the races let's name the races we've been calling it the double These are a group of names we came up with. Anyone that you want to pick will go with it. We got the double, the double duty, the indie Charlotte double, the Indy Coca-1100.

That's a mouthful. India Coca-C-C- not a reader, football player. And the Memorial Day double. Any of which one do you like of those? Which one do I like? Or do you have something that you like to call it? I don't know. I like the double, but the Memorial Day double

just sounds like classy to me. I kind of like that. I like it. Avent tie is that thing. A little bow tie. I like that. It's kind of like a mullet. Memorial Day doubles.

You know, the Memorial Day is the business part. The double is the party in the back. That's right, baby. Let's go. The mallet. This is the front party in the back? Let's go. Score the game.

Is this the greatest races of all time? Let's score it. Stakes, Kyle. Zero to 10. Decimals on OK on your double race day. The stakes of this day. The stakes of the day. like how it went or how I view

leading up to it. Yeah. Oh gosh. There's only been fine people to do it in the history of their life. Like a Super Bowl would be like a 10 stakes like Well, depending. If it's a Super Bowl, it's usually like a 9-2. Yeah.

Space Jam would be very high. I mean, it's got to be high like a 9-1 or something. I like that. I agree. That's a great score. That's a good score. That's a really good integrity score. Because usually a person that says really high

with instantaneously 10. Yes. Like Mark Cuban came on here. He's just throwing out tens and fucks up everything. We understand you're a marketing guy. Okay. For me, I mean, five people in the history of racing

have done this. Got to go 9-2. I'll go 7-8, a little low-border. Oh, 7-5? Fucking Russian. What would make it bigger? I like geopolitics. Like the Miracle on ice.

You get some. high stakes it's not just on the field or on the track it's you know he's also a hockey weirdo okay i'm a hockey weirdo yeah star power of this these races you got stars on on two different demographics you got nascar stars and you got indy car stars and there's probably a hell of stars i was saying they're watching tom brady and gronk were there so tom brady gronk that's pretty good in the crowd that's pretty good for losing booed by all of indianapolis you're loving it letting them have yeah he just had to lead him on what do you say i got to leave him down one more good drive yeah that was that's pretty that's pretty baller pretty baller oh man probably uh 8 7

8 7 for grong it's going for ground 87 87 yeah yeah i'm gonna go uh 8.1 2 8.1 2 double double decimals okay right on I want that 8.1 a we're in the same ballpark I was 7.1 1 you see what he did and you see what i did you're like the guy on prices right that oh you did brady i did brady i just did brady come oh the one oh i didn't even get that fucking hey sorry sorry game play the race play of the races didn't turn out exactly the way we wanted to not quite so we now are we ranking my my performance like a like a 0.2 yeah that's going to sink us yeah that's not going to it was bad I'm going with at least a 6.9. Nice.

Also for Grunk. Also for Grunk. I had a 7.3. I had a 6.1. Very generous. Dude, dude, you literally crash in one race and you say, fuck it. I don't need to get... We'll go crashing another one.

I don't need to get my head check. Crash another one. Let's go race again. Let's run it back. Run it back. You hit the reset button, bro. Yeah, respond. Respond.

Respond. I started both races. That's where the point two comes from. All right. And then we name or we grade the name of the game. This being the Memorial Day Double. Classy, but also has a little party in the back. We call it the Mullet name.

We're ranking the name. We've got to rank the name. So if you just say that name, like, everybody knows what you mean kind of thing. Oh, okay. Memorial Day Double. It's still early. This just happened, so you don't know how the test of time is going to view this. That's hard.

It's hard. Yeah, a 7.7. I like that. It's a good score. I'm going to go with the 7.2. I'm going to go with a 9.4. 9.4. 5. If you save the double, everyone knows what you mean. Yeah, I like it.

9.4. Wow. Where does this rank? The highest score of evolve. I'm a double guy. Okay. 6.43. That's not right. That's not right. It's 7.2.1.

Where does it rank on all the games, races, fights? Wow. It's going to be our new 68th. Shout out, Yarmier, Jager. Just behind the 2011 Stanley Cup Final Game 7 Bruins-Kinnucks, and just ahead of the Letterman jacket game, Texans versus Patriots, Week 14, here you know. Wow, solid.

What's P-1? I like that. You see that? That's a racer. That's a racer. It's a little Patriots heavy. 28 to 3 game. There's no bias here, bro.

It's also only games we've done yet. And that is a pretty epic game. Like, regardless, if you hate the Patriots, don't hate the Patriots, you know about about the 28 to 3 deficit that they overcame. Yeah, I gotta say, while we're talking our greatest games

and we're talking with Kyle, our first racer, I got a two-fold question for you, Kyle. Who are some other racers we gotta have on and what's like a race we gotta do?

Okay. That's a great one. Oh, man, you would love Talladega, I feel like. You like to party? Talladega would be great. I like that.

Racer to have on here. I mean, Kyle Bush is always, good fucking Kyle we'll give us some sound bites Noah Gregson is probably the most fun driver in the sport gotta add him to our list Ryan Blaney's sneaky fun I feel like okay yeah

those would be some good ones in NASCAR I like that I might have to get smoke Denny Denny Denny yeah he's fun yeah I like that I think he's gonna come on at some point yeah good didn't he would actually be really good is there like you like the best race of all time like oh the 1992 Daytona 5-hour like

I feel like when Tony Stewart and Car Edwards were tied in points going into the final the the playoff system was a little different back then there were still points so they were tied in points going to the last race so whoever finished ahead of whoever which I guess is kind of like it is now but just for it to be points and then be tied and going to last race and then they finished first and second in the race wow that was pretty sick that's awesome Tony had to like overcome some adversity at some point in the race a couple different times maybe and like drove his ass off won the race won the championship

2011, I think. Got to add that joy of this too. Tony Stewart was one of the first guys that I learned that wasn't Jeff Gordon or Dale Earnhardt or the Petties. Yeah.

Because my first day at Kent State I went to school in Ohio. We had a fucking Tackles and Tight End coach named A.J. Pratt tackles and tight ends. And he used to call his kids smoke. Like, why you call him smoke, bro? He's like, he's like,

Tony Stewart. He's crazy. And so I started watching Tony Stewart because of fucking A.J. Pratt. Shout out, I think he's a... What is he? He's a... A.D. now. I had a Catholic school. Well, Kyle, did we miss anything

from the Memorial Day Double? Hindercars.com. Chevrolete, Air McLaren, Amazon Prime. Yeah, got it all. Got the social channels. Cued up for you. Kyle Larson Racing on IG. Go check them out on all of the... He's on every goddamn race circuit.

We can check him out, but mostly on NASCAR. That's our number one right now. Because Hendricks racing, part of the big dogs. Go check him out there. Chevrolet just got me a high country suburban that I'm getting in. That's what I got right now. I just got one. Dude, they're legit.

I know. They're sick. I got to get a, I want to make mine kind of look like an urban apocalypse truck, though. So I don't want to make it lifted, but I need a little spacer action with maybe a, okay you know something i want to make it look like an urban apocalypse stand out a little bit no i want it to not stand out a little bit but i want to beef it up a little but i don't want to make it all lift it out okay because i still got to go into carpool lanes yeah just level it then guy what's your daily driver by the way the high country suburban nice

you got it like a tricked out one no it's just i mean whatever like thankfully being a Chevy guy like you can just submit kind of whatever you want so i just maxed out whatever was on there but it's just black with black wheels and yeah uh what's different is because we have three kids and my wife she wants the bench seats i got the bench seat i went captains yeah one kid you got to go bench though yeah i like bench you got to go bench what do you have any cool cars like oldies or anything i got a i'm not really a car person but my grandpa restored a 1940 pontiacs that one's kind of gangster looking yeah i got a 69 c10 i like that i love the c10s and then uh i've got a i've got a a Corvette, the ZO6, like mid-engine one, and then I got the new

thousand horsepower ZR1 coming here. That thing's badass. Yeah, man. I drove, we were just in Michigan, we went to their proving grounds last week, and it's like scary fast. Like, too fast. It's, it's awesome though. I think my next car, I want a 63 Stingray split window Corvette. Yes. So that was my favorite. I went to Barrett Jackson this year and I was like, man, I want the split window The split window, man. The 63. I think that thing's so sick.

Yeah. The coop. I have a... They're so expensive, though. It's like a 500,000 car. Because it's fiberglass, and that was only the one year that they split the window. Mm-hmm. Yeah.

You know, so it's like a collector. I got a 68 GT 500 Ford. But we were Chevy people growing up, but... Yeah. Where do you keep that stuff? Not here, right? I have one. It's at the shop right now, but...

I keep it here. Yeah. I only have one. And then I drive the burb. And your electric dirt bikes. Oh, yeah. Do you write dirt bikes or anything? No.

What dirt bike do you have, though? I got the E-Rs. Okay. They're stupid. Yeah. They go like 75 miles an hour, and there's no combustion. So, like, you go straight and it's gone. Yeah.

I drove that Tesla for a while. Those electric cars are so crazy. Yeah. You know what I mean? When I was at the Chevy Proving Rounds, we did, I've never driven an electric vehicle other than like a golf car.

Yeah. But yeah, they had like the, the Corvette like E-ray. And yeah, like you like power break it and then just go and it's like,

I mean, it's like zero to 60 in like three seconds. Dude, the Tesla. Yeah. S? I think goes zero to 60

in 1.9 seconds. 1.9 seconds standard. Like the, it's so, you feel the G-4. It's the air out of you. Well, Kyle, thank you so much for coming on, bro. I appreciate you.

Yeah, thanks a lot. Man. He's so cool. That was awesome. The first of mini racers, I hope. I know. What are you wearing over there? Dude, I got a gamer.

Should I stand up and show? Look at this. Maybe one of the nicest gifts we have been presented. Jack, you look like a pro racer. Let's go, baby. I'm a pit row right now. You feel like to fight somebody. You're a racer.

I know. What do you think? I like it. Feeling fast. You look fast. Maybe see somebody in the pits from like, give me a dirty look to find him on pit road Jack rolling up with a Michael Clark dunking my pit crew chief

5 foot 11 hot babe bringing him to his car This just makes me want to get Jack in a jockey outfit Hey I'd do a jockey too I don't know what's just safer Car car car car I would say the horse probably because it's not as fast I'm just so scared of those bad boys You know what are they going 30 miles an hour

I'm just thinking back on that scenario Those guys are going 200 miles an hour in like machine stuff. Yeah, cars are that's kind of like, that's like rugby versus football. Yeah. It's not as fast as a hit,

but it's still, it could be dangerous because it's less protection. You have no padding. Because of the protection, it makes it more dangerous because it weaponizes it. I'm just thinking back

to having that 5 foot 11 girlfriend. Give her him a smooch, be like, up. After a. Who'll pick me up? Well, it's time for the chill zone. Yeah, baby. Brought to you by our favorite beer, Coors Light.

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Kyle and I get to kind of play fans and bounce it off you and see what really goes on in the NFL. And let's see. In this sector that is the media. All right. Today we're focusing on, you know, we've done injuries coming back from injuries, contract negotiations. We're trying to paint the whole ecosystem and get that insider info. All right.

Let's go with this. From the man himself. Let's kick it off with, what is like media training like in the NFL? When you get drafted, at least when Iowa was getting drafted, I still believe they still have it. You go to a rookie symposium. Now, undrafted guys don't go. but all the draftees they go to a symposium and it's a seminar that breaks up into classes and workshops and a lot of like game type learning activities in order to like inform guys

about the wealth they're about to come into how to deal with agents how to deal with the media I'm sure nowadays they probably have a workshop or a station that's about social media because it's such a big impact. And it kind of walks these guys through the introductory stages of what it's like being in the NFL with all these responsibilities. Is that where Chris Carter tells you get a

fall guy? Yeah, yeah. That's where Chris Carter is a fall guy. He's got to get a fall guy. So media has worked into that. Okay. Now, it's also broken down each team with all their rookies. Usually the rookies

have a certain amount of hours that they could be at the facility to learn rookie stuff. So like after organized team activities or mini camps or even training camp, two days a week, the rookies have to stick around for a presentation of whatever that theme is for that day. And sometimes it would be media, how to handle the media. In New England We used to have We used to have one of the generals He was the guy who handled the media

He was in the Navy He handled the media Immediately after 9-11 For the White House Oh wow He would come in and teach us Basically how to deflect how to dictate

and how to take control of an interviewer when you're being asked a question how do you do that well whatever someone answers or asks you you can answer however you want right and there's also deflection things where you don't you know we always had like keywords where ask coach bellichick you know

if we got uncomfortable if we didn't know what to say you had like outs outs we had outs and the only reason we would do this, and we would do these little media teachings or handlings or seminars is because we didn't want the media to be a distraction. And, you know, I know Bill gets a terrible rap for how he handles the media, but like, that's just strategic so he doesn't give anything to the media. Right. That was crap. That other guys sometimes do. Yeah. Like, if you listen to a head coach going into a game sometimes they'll give you the first goddamn 15 plays they're going to run because they're going to tell you we've been emphasizing this we do this this this and it gives you

you know it gives you a little advantage if you if you're listening you know what I mean so or if you listen to a guy say hey you know this whole week we've been working on our drop back pass game because we feel like all right so fellas put your antennas up they got some drop back pass that we're going to be seeing you know what I mean it's stuff like that that can be used as an advantage for your opposing team. So that's how why Bill would bring in certain people like this guy who deflected everything after 9-11. He would just show us little techniques. But that's why he would do it because we didn't want to, A, give anything to the opponent, B, we didn't want to make any distractions because football and pro football for an

athlete and a coach is hard enough. It's fucking hard to win the National Football League. okay now try doing it when you have a spy gate a fucking a murder a fucking uh deflate like then it makes it even crazier because all you're being asked after that point is about that specific thing so it becomes distraction and that's something that happened because of how maybe someone handled it in the media you know so we were just always taught that like we're here to get better and because that's ultimately what we're really there to do. If you're not lying and you're not just given a line, that's literally what the focus should try to be.

Like, when you ask someone about an injury, okay, if you go out as a player and you say, well, you know, I think I'll be back in six weeks, okay, comes back in four weeks. Oh, well, the doctor didn't know what he was saying. Is he ready? Is he ready? Is he not?

Comes back in four weeks and gets hurt. Too soon. Oh, was it too soon? All right. He says six weeks. It takes eight weeks. Oh, what? Was there a setback? Was there a setback? Was the rehab terrible? Oh, he's not healing. So, you know, why would we go out and say that? Because all you're going to have to do is answer about that again. So, like, that's what, you know, getting better each day. And the injury thing, the whole injury answer that you always hear is because that's the honest truth. You don't want to put a deadline on something that you have to be accountable for when you don't really know how your body's going to react. Because, yes, that's what is. it is for standard, but you could be either above or below the standard on that specific injury. So, like, there's just a bunch of ways that we were taught, literally taught on how to handle the media through, you know, multiple different ways, you know, with the team, with the NFL, our team, individual team was a little, like, a little more about it. And that was just

so we didn't make a distraction, which is an oxymoron considering what's going on in North Carolina. What were some of your favorite, like, deflections or, like, go-to like, out phrases? My favorite was always just ask Bill. Ask Bill. Yeah. So if I'm like, oh, Brady's been hurt, is he going to be,

there's whispers if he's going to be playing, do you have any information on that? You just go. Well, on that, I would speak more. There was a set of lines. Speak for yourself. Okay. Put the team first. Don't believe the hype, ignore. Like, there's all these little things. So if I'm not, I can't, I can't,

I can't speak for Tom, you can go ask Tom. Go ask Tom. You don't want to speak for someone. So that was something that he would always talk about. Give me another one. Let's try it again. Look like you got a little banged up on that third and seven catch out there. How are you feeling? You know, it's after a game. We were all banged up after a game.

You know, we'll go in this week and try to get our body back to the best we can. You know, it's going to be against another new tough opponent. But it was good to get out of here with a win and get that place. play in but you know after games we all we're all banged up there's a lot of controversy surrounding the most recent wide receiver signing a lot of people saying that it was shouldn't assign this guy amidst everything he's got going on off the field well can you tell us how it's going in the wide receiver room look you'd have to ask coach on that I'm I'm just here to worry about improving myself all I keep hearing is if we all individually improve ourselves collectively

will improve as a team so I'm just taking coach bellichick's words and I'm trying to prove myself. You can ask coach on that. You just lost 43 to 7. Second straight loss. What needs to change around here? We need a new fucking coaching staff. This place's fucking son. You know, it's tough to win the National Football League.

You know, we got to get back to the little things. It all starts with practice. So I'm sure that we're going to have a good week of practice this week to give ourselves our best opportunity to go out win we need to practice better were there ever we just did a fun little role play exercise there was there ever like a a practice role play with you guys like before this yeah yeah okay bill would be

like bill would literally call like the rookie guy like all right now uh rookie rookie how fast are you going to be uh you just got hurt how many weeks are you out uh and the guy if he was listening and bill he'd be like yeah i don't know day to day, day. You know what I mean? It would be like, you passed. Yeah. It was always so much easier for the defense. As usual, always. Were there reporters that were a little bit more safer than other reporters? Uh, what do you mean? Like Mike Reese knows the deal and he's not going to come in and try to stirs. Yeah, you kind of knew just through. Yeah, local beat reporters versus national reporters. You know what? I honestly, I think the local people,

people in Boston have always been, like, I was always pretty decent with all of them. I feel like I never felt like none of, I never had a bad instant where I felt like someone was out to get me or, you know, I understand, if you understand what they're trying to do and what they have to do, and sometimes you don't because it's right after a game and you're emotionally, physically, mentally exhausted, but their livelihood is to try to report on your team. And this reporting essentially is what makes our sport our sport. You know, giving the media access to the players, which the fans are granted. And that's what it makes the thing go.

So it's hard to understand that as a player sometimes. But I felt like we were, everyone was pretty, I mean, there's guys, I felt pretty decent with everyone. We were also a decade into like the Belichick regime. They kind of all knew the deal. You know, we had a lot of media in our locker room always, but it would get heatened up when we would play, like, in the playoffs. And, you know, when you get the people that are coming from the other cities that we don't play very often,

how they would ask questions would be different. Yeah, like the cowboys are in town. Yeah, like they don't know how we handle our meat. You know what I mean? So, but I felt, you know, Boston gets this whole rap, you know, their sport talk is crazy. The radio is. The radio is, but we didn't see those people in the day-to-day locker room.

You know, like the people that were all the beatwriters and stuff, I remember when fucking Ian Rappaport was a little beat writer. Like, Ian was in there. There's a bunch of the guys on the TV now that are all like big TV guys. They all started doing this shit, you know, and they hustle. They're hustlers. They're in there every day trying to make a fucking story. And you got to think about that.

And, you know, it's not our job to give them a story. but it kind of is. No, it's true. When you understand that relationship and the give and take and you're right, what they provide to the game, it changes the whole perspective. You know, and it is hard for an athlete.

After you get your teeth kicked in and you lose a crazy game and, you know, they got to ask the questions, but it is hard to answer or answer questions that you think at the time are stupid. Right. But it, you know what I mean? It's part of it.

it. And I think that the media, you know, there's a lot, you could tell that there's a lot more media training now. For sure. And you think about a city, I mean, I'm a homer for sure, but like, you think about Boston, what other city has two 24-hour sports networks, two news, major newspapers with like Hall of Fame level columnists, insane sports radio that like is, I mean, like making. You got, there's probably like five, yeah, like three. There's like Chicago has that probably. New York probably has that. Dallas. That's about it. Just for football. Yeah, but Dallas doesn't have the network. They don't have, they don't have like NBC sports Boston to that capacity. Do they not? I don't think so. New York, I think New York. I think they have

their own. Yeah, New York does for sure. But it's just, it's, I feel like the, like you said, the microscope and wanting to make stories and be in there every day and like, you know, the level of professionalism is really turned up in Boston. I don't, yeah, yeah. But I just think it's you can use the media like you can use them in a positive fashion oh yeah you know there's there's countless guys that always got a break with them because of how they treated them you know you look at like how Matthew Slater would you know like if if you like he would always treat everyone with so much respect that because of that respect they would out of respect they wouldn't ask him stupid questions yeah i like that so you you can how you are to them is how

you're going to be treated yeah so get them on your side i'm with you you know what i mean a little bit and i you know i i don't know i i would be tired in some some days with certain certain people but there's no hard feelings now now that i'm in this side of on this side of the The line, it's like, now I appreciate what they do because I'm sitting there not in New England anymore and we still have to talk about them. I love to hear about what's going on with the Patriots. I'm relying on the beat writers now on what's going on,

even though I know, you know, with what they write is not always, but you know the land to still get something out of it. I was going to say, because when it's training camp time or even practice, we're refreshing Mike Reese's Twitter. Like, those are the guys. Yeah, they're the voice of the... What's going on and keeping it real? How often, like, what are your media responsibilities like through any given week during the regular season?

Media responsibilities, you are available if you are not hurt every day to the media, Monday through Thursday or Monday through, Monday through Friday. Or could be Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, like our main practice days after practice media is in there. Or it's before practice. And available means like in the locker room after or like press conference. You have to be available for, like, that was another thing. like half of our guys like more than half of our guys whenever the media was in there

during the regular day was like out they didn't want to everyone was so scared to say something wrong that no one wanted to do the media scattered so everyone would like be in the weight room or you know somewhere and you know usually you have certain guys that would talk

and you had certain days after a while that you would go usually it was probably like once a week when were they allowed in the locker room. They've been a win. Yeah. Like, is there like a, after practice, there's an hour that they can be. So during the work week practice, or during practice week, they're there an hour like right before you're about to go out to, I think is it before? I think it used to be before. It used to be before. Okay. Practice. And then after the game, you have 10 minutes

to like clear your thoughts and then they come in right after that 10 minutes. That's kind of crazy. And then you might get called to the podium. Then Stacey James is like our media guy. He would call the certain and round up the guys that would go to the media. Or he would kind of give you the, you know, hey, we're just going to do you at the locker. He was like the main point of contact for every, everyone with everything. Like if you didn't go do media for a couple days, Stacey would come and say, you know, you haven't done media in a couple days. You know, the NFL can find you.

you know yeah he would kind of be your reminder and he he used to have like he used to have to deal with everyone you know coaches players anything to do with the media stacey james he dealt with us from the other side when we were doing the documentary yeah that's such a tough job yeah i can't even imagine going to the head coach after getting lost in a soup hey coach we got to go do media or, you know, grabbing Tom or grabbing gronk or, you know, he had to grab everyone at the highest of the highs, but also the lowest of the lows. That's brutal.

So was he, and if, say, you did slip up and you did give him a sound bite, and you did say, throw somebody under the bus, is Stacey the guy you go talk to? Or they would call you in the office. Yeah, what happens if, like, someone says something that gets to be national news or bulletin board material?

Oh, that very next day, team meeting. Ooh. 8 o'clock sharp could be headlining the fucking coach's meeting things not what to do in the media Oh so the whole team's here in this whole team Oh geez

This is an example of what we are not supposed to do And they play like a clip Play the clip Play the clip read the clipping Wow, it never happened to you No But didn't he do it to light Didn't light say he did it to him

I believe that's yeah When you did the The media thing Yeah yeah or the union The union yeah Yeah. Were there any, like, habitual line steppers? No, because what our coach would do is before, like, in his teaching on how to do the media, he would grab examples from other teams.

Oh, that's smart. And he's like, this is like what we're not supposed to do, okay? And then the guy would say, yeah, you know, you know, it's, look, it's fucking mini-camps. Like, this guy was in college last. year and this is what he says and it'd go like look you know I think I'm I'm going double-digit sacks this year I'm the fastest wide receiver in the league and then Bill he would read it but how he would read it would fucking everyone started laughing and shit he'd read it like 11s look and he'd have like a little like fucking Lawrence Taylor didn't

even do that and then he'd keep reading you know what I mean yeah just like just killing the kid and then he'd go like uh and then and then uh yeah so he would give us examples on what not not to do that's pretty funny that's that's the guys that like regularly show up it's deion sanders no it would be current it'd be current marshawn yeah i'm just current guys no because those guys could say stuff to bill yeah because deion sanders and Marshawn Lynch. It'd be like a no-name guy saying something that like is fuel in the fire for the other guys. What part of your career did you start getting a little bit more leeway? And not just for like, you know, uh, interviews, but with some of the media that we were doing. Social media. Yeah,

commercial social media. I would say after the Super Bowl. Okay. The first Super Bowl, you know, I mean, after the first big contract, maybe. Yeah. But, you know, it's a New England media mom and I really like, and I would like to find this specific item when Chris Long wore the Julian Edelman mask at his locker. I want to find that. We got to get that in the nut house. Freaking long. What was your story behind that again? I don't even know. He just bought, he spent like $2,000 on getting a mask made of my face and he did the media in my yellow shirt, my red beanie in my mask. Do we have the picture? I got there. Fucking Kyle. I think about that, like, kind of weird off.

Chris. It's kind of nailed it. He kind of did. Is that your kids? Those are my earphones that I used to wear all the time. Is that a red J-11?

No, that's the, I would always turn my hat inside out, so it was just red. I don't know why I think about that, like, somewhat often. He's so, he was a fun teammate. Chris is the man. Chris was a fun.

In the nut house. Man, but yeah. It's also media is very, different now because a lot of these you know it's going to be interesting to see what the league does because a lot of these guys won't say anything to the league's media and then they just hold it on their podcast oh you say which is brilliant which is smart absolutely which is brilliant like micah yep and there's the saint browns st browns yep i mean the kelse's absolutely they're the pioneers of it really there's other guys to do it but like they were real like two prime guys

that were active that were prime active stars yeah guys that weren't going to get the call you know every Tuesday prime active stars what do you think would happen if say the year is 2017 and you went to new england's head coach and said starting a podcast coach weekly we talk football every week I have guests on you know what and at that point of my career if if it was done i used to do a radio show that's true that the team did right that was like we would do the radio show for like you you would do the radio show and they would give you like a hundred flights of jet blue oh that's what you'd get for it yeah oh that's pretty cool you know I mean like submit yeah mint nice but you get taxed on it so you're paying 33 cents a dollar

but regardless you would do like you would get paid stuff for that radio show show that was associated with the organization. So if I knew what I know now, what I would have done is probably formulate my own and make it about things I was comfortable talking about and then hire my own, my own advertisement so I can make money directly instead of getting free tickets. Big brain. I would probably, yeah, that's what the guys are doing now. You know, because like, I mean, we were, we were pitching.

games with names and making games with names a thing when you were still playing. Like, we were going to set that up potentially. We did not yet. We were pitching it and it would all kind of happen right when you were starting over time. No, I thought we, that was like 2019. But we were developing it to do

while you were still an active player. We were a podcast, not games with names. We didn't know the concept yet. Because the reason why we did it Evergreen and on Tuesdays was because off day and it wouldn't be touching hot takey shit. And you could record a bunch at once. I never interview someone on a Tuesday.

This wasn't thought about until at least 19. Well, you were still playing in 19. I know, but it wasn't 17. Well, semantics. You were still active. You were still active. Two years. We were formulating this while you were.

17 and 19, that's two Super Bowls. A lot of good football left to be played. Yeah, that's a different. That's difference in like everything. I was talking about if you were active or not. Yeah. That if you had played another year, you probably would have been doing this show while you were active.

Now, it wouldn't have been, like talking about fucking the game right after the fact we probably would have recorded a bunch in a row in the offseason and dropped them out it was hard for me to do that stuff though I know I don't know if I would have been able to do it because you got to be able like that's we also didn't know what we didn't know at that point right yeah and it wasn't what it is now yeah there weren't many active guys yeah we didn't know what we were doing then I did think about the team whenever we did anything that's what difference between you and most other guys

you know what I mean like I I didn't want to get too big with and loud with our stuff what if your play starts slipping and then remember you look like a dummy remember with the fucking NFL NFL films documentary in Mexico that you recorded that we were down in like June or something in Mexico you tore your ACL right after that and then that August or whatever and then that aired after you tore your ACL and people were like why is you skateboarding with an ACL they comprehend that we did it off and there was a lot of heat not a lot but there was enough people

talking about that so shit like that yeah it's just sad because you got to think about it there's no eye in team but there is an eye in instagram and there's an eye in twitter and ticot in twitter and ticot yeah you got to think about that no youtube it made no sense at all but i'm just saying it you to there is a two b there is a tube okay all right i think that was terrible i'm sure we've missed a lot of questions i'm sure we've missed a lot of like intricacies that people might want to know about the NFL media so please the media landscape so please put your questions in the YouTube comment section or anywhere you can comment we've been pulling them on doing it so any more questions and nuance on this stuff please let us know about educating

the fans here maybe shout out Mike Reese shout out Mike Reese that's the first time I've ever been Starstruck at our at our premiere Mike Reese was like oh my God Mike no way that was your first man I didn't talk to Mike Reese wrote like my first article I think that's so cool he went to a Jewish camp with a soft he's got aura Mike Reese has aura Mike Reese Mike Reese felt safe. Because he's a good, he's straight up, man. He's not some gotcha guy. Yeah. He's a legitimate. And he would, he would like let you know when he, like, sorry, Jules, I got to ask it, but, you know, like, literally, you could see in his eyes and it hurt him that he had to ask me a certain question. Yeah. I don't even know, but you know, probably he's getting pressure

to get some stuff too. Yeah. Well, shout out Mike Reese. Shout out. Shout out. Reese PC. Tom Carran, love Tom. Tommy. Jeff How was good to us. Liz. Liz. Who's Elizabeth. What was she was always always we always talked about back her backs she had a bad back I was gonna say did you develop a little bit of a personal yeah I mean you've seen these people for 12 years you know yeah I mean we know

birthdays cancinitas bar mitzvahs I mean you see it all I love that shout out zo I love zo you should get him on oh I would love to have zo on I watch he'd be all the time we gotta get a cell on heck yeah

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