Games with Names - The Goal Line Stand Game with Willie McGinest | Patriots vs. Colts (2003)

Episode Date: November 11, 2025

Willie McGinest is in studio! The Patriots legend is with us to relive one of the all-time editions of the Patriots vs. Colts rivalry: Week 13, 2003. That's right, the one that came down to an incredible goal line stand in the RCA Dome.  (0:00) We kick things off. (2:02) Willie joins us on the couch. (34:25) We go back to November 2003. (43:14) We get into the teams. (1:01:34) We dive into this game. (1:23:12) We score it. (1:33:56) We hit the Chill Line in this week's edition of The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, my friend's Willie back. They call me squirrel. I'm kind of a big deal out here in Boston. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. On today's episode, we are covering Patriots versus Colts, Week 13, 2003,

with Patriots Hall of Famer, three-time Super Bowl of Fame, three-time. Super Bowl champ and Long Beach legend Willie McGinnis. And we're talking Colts versus Patriots rivalry. One of the best teams ever, I would say, offensively. I had a trick Peyton Manning. You cannot let him see what you're in. Coverage is or nothing. And Willie's thoughts on Coach Rable.

He doesn't want to be Bill. And then we hit the hotline with this week's chill zone presented by Coors Light. You got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games and Names is a production of IHeart Radio. November 30th, 2003, the RCA Dome, Indianapolis, Indiana. It all comes down to one yard. But Willie Mack said not today.

This is not today in the RCA. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at Patriots versus Colts early on in the rivalry. Week 13 of the 2003 season with Willie Mack. In one sentence, Willie, why did you pick this game? it's one of the games i think a lot of fans from uh indianapolis hate me for just because of what came of that game you know what we got out of it after the game we got home field throughout and the

infamous they called the fake injury the fake injury the fake injury is this the greatest game of all time it's one of i wouldn't say it's the greatest because it's it's you know it's a regular season game but it had a lot of emphasis on where we went that year But it's one of. You know, you can't ever, you played in Super Bowls and played in big games. You can't ever, like, put certain, stack certain Super Bowls over regular AFC championships or games that had a lot of implications on where you landed. But it's a foundational win.

It's a foundational. It's a memorable game. It's an important game in my career, of course, because a lot of people remember that. Yeah, yeah. This is an insane game. What is the greatest game of all time to you? probably the first Super Bowl for me was in 2001 when we played the Rams

greatest show on turf because nobody really gave us a chance nobody thought we could win that game just because how talented they were not only offensively but they had a top three defense as well so they just had so many weapons on both sides of the ball and I just remember the stories of them getting fitted for their ring the next ring that they're going to get everybody had that game in the back

Nobody gave us a chance. Nobody said for, I think, like maybe Barclay and Chuck. Chuck gave us a chance. Chuck gave a shot. And I think Mayweather, believe it or not, in the fight, he was in the actual fight. And somebody yelled out who you have in the Super Bowl and he yelled out Patriots. During a fight, an actual fight. My dog, he gambles on it.

I think he's won a lot on us. He's won a lot. It was only like two or three people that picked us to win that game. like of all the talking heads. We had Ernie Adams. Ernie. And we talked on that game. The famous Ernie.

I mean, he was so ecstatic about the defense. How you got, because that was like the highest scoring offense in history at the time. Yeah. Like that was, and that pretty much. We have to change everything because of their offense of how electric and explosive they were and all the weapons that they had, all the Hall of Famers that they have offensively. had to change pretty much everything. If we tried to play the way they play, it wouldn't have been close. Yeah. And then, you know, a rule was changed after that game too, I think, right? Or was that

after this one as well? It was after this. It was after this. We had a couple rule changes after 0. There's always rule changes. Rule changes when the Patriots win. Man, it was good to see at the Hall of Fame, bro. It was, man. Congratulations, too. Well, deserving, man. A guy who was always scrappy came up with the big plays played hard played through injury tough toughest nails and i and i told a lot of guys this they you resemble like a true patriot like that you mentioned it the blue collar the hard work the they're never giving up just constantly going after it and it was when your number was always called you always made the big play man so i appreciate that that means a lot what people don't realize the lore of willie mack in our locker room

was like the Patriot way. He was the Patriot Sheriff in the locker room. And to hear that from him means a lot because we idolized you guys because we were dry for 10 years before, you know, after that whole thing. And you guys were the standard. And we kept on hearing about the stories and Bill would bring you up as examples. And, you know, to hear that from the guys that we, I looked up to. Quick question.

Was that, did that bother you guys? Because I've heard, I heard different stories. Like, damn, I'm just, I'm tired of hearing about the other guys. But it wasn't, it wasn't like a comparison. Was it, was it more like this is the blueprint to winning? You know how Bill is when he puts up other tape. I guarantee he was putting up that Lawrence Taylor tape on that fucking, on the, the tackle guard, the pool. You know, the toss gator trap that everyone runs.

Right. I guarantee, like, he would bring up you guys in crucial situations yearly. Right. And at first, you know, it was awesome. But then afterwards, it was motivating because after we won one, we're like, all right, well, I want to go, we want to be in that category. Right. And then you win another one.

And then, you know, and like, oh, we got to, we could, we could maybe match them. But just the formula, though. And I think he did it to say, this is the formula. Exactly. Like, it's the preparation. It's the hard work. It's, trust me. like if you do it do things a certain way you guys are all different right but if you do things a certain

way this is the end result 1,000% and it was that I tell people that's an advantage also for when you have a staff that sticks together for a long time that's hard to do it's hard to do and also having the same systems in place for a decade before you so when you're installing what your template is for offense defense special teams you have countless examples of how it's done right right and that's a huge thing for teaching it and that's why like the chiefs are in this pocket yeah where all they got to focus on is situational football because all these motherfuckers come in and they they know how to win because of the number one guys on that team winning you know they know how to do it and system's been in place and if we can walk through it we can show it like you said we can show 10 years of it yeah

We can show players like you doing it. We can show you whatever example you need. You can go to the tape and show it as well as like here's what we doing. Here's the install. Here's what I need you to do. Blah, blah, blah. I don't really understand. Okay, well, we're going to go walk through it.

And then by the way, here's like 10 guys doing it. Look, Nikovic. Look, Nikovic. You can't get past the quarterback. Look. Look how Willie Mack does it. You get to the depth of the quarterback. And then you, like, you got motherfuckering.

It rings in our head. I can still hear his voice doing that all the time. But the crazy thing is you played for Parcells and Belichette. And P. Carroll. And Pete Carroll. In the middle. Did you see some of the Parcells and Bill, Bill's approach to things with his own, what was his wrinkle that was different?

What were some of the similarities? I think with Parcells, like, because Belichick coached under Parcells, right? He was part of that. He was part of that. And then I think Parcells, like, had his way of communicating. He had his way of doing things. it was that era and I think once we got with

Belichick he had already been another head coach with Cleveland he had left did his own thing then he came back and I think he understood that there are certain principles and things the foundational things like you mentioned that I need to keep in place and if I want to run a certain style of system

I got to have certain type of guys that was the other thing it was always the DNA the makeup what type of guys and to fulfill those roles in what I wanted to do. And I think what was similar between both coaches, what was super important is they knew how to put guys in position. They wouldn't put you in a position where you were going to fail or, you know, it was going to hurt the team.

They were always put you in position of strength where they knew that you can do X, Y, and Z. And they wanted a certain type of guy, a certain type of team, smart, you sit on the wall, tough, physical, preparation, all those things that those are the kind of guys that when you were with Parcells going into the Patriots Hall of Fame, he said he had a template of what type of guy he wanted to draft and to fit what system. It just trickled down to Bill. And then Bill put his twist on it. He's the mass scientist and he took everything to a whole other level because the player changes,

the rules changes, the game changes. But the game as far as the actual football, Never changes. It's just how you tweak it and the wrinkles you put in. 1,000% and it's really cool to see the current Patriots. Yes. It looks like they're going back to that

getting the right guy in the locker room. Who played in that system? Who played in that system. Now you play with Vraibs. How do you think he's doing out here? I think he's doing well. I think what Vraib understands is he doesn't want to be Bill.

And I think that's important for a lot of coaches who coach under really great coaches that have a long tenure anywhere. He doesn't want to be Bill, you know, and he also played in Pittsburgh under Cowher, right? He doesn't want to be those coaches,

but he takes everything he learned from those coaches and he applies it. And he's variable, he's himself. You know, he has fun. He wants the players to have fun. But when it's time to work, it's time to work. He gets after you. Everybody's held accountable.

Doesn't matter who you are. Your name's going to go up on the team meeting room. if you make mistakes or whatever the case may be. So I think he's found a sweet spot between all the coaches he's played for and how he wants the coach but taking all the information he's learned over the years from some of the best.

And I think you always have to do that. You don't have to be them. No. But take the information and use it because it works. You could tell he's delivering the information. The difference is how he's delivering it. Right. And you know what I mean? And that's the involvement of the guy. Right. Guys need to be

delivered information in different ways each new generation. Right. That's just how it is. And it's been really cool. And I think working at the college level for him with Ohio State and the young kids and then bouncing around going, you know what I mean? I think that helps him too. It's different. It's different now. It's different. I remember going to Georgia and talking to the linebackers and the D-Ns and I was interested of how Kirby Smart

taught some of the players and it was funny. They would send to their phones, right? They would send, first of all, they'd send a play and then they would send a picture of like the name of the play. Then they would show the play, but they would have the music going on with the play. So because the players are always in their phones, right?

So they always got their phones. So if they got the music, they got and then they show the coach giving the signal and it was just like four or five different ways to to digest that one play yeah along with music going on yeah and I was just like that's pretty interesting that's pretty cool it's pretty interesting in the middle of my career when we started doing the NASCAR it was the the muddle huddle fast you know the fast tempo offense no huddle I know it well the bills used to do bills used to do it a lot and every generation they have it right but I

saw the transformation to the new generation when they started giving out we had to we the the play call used to be all right zero out slot thing ride 134 fbo ice now it was like all right this is now we're going to do empty right this this little it's just Jordan Jordan tells everyone what to do really and we did yeah so then it was one word that told everyone what to do and that was because that's what they were doing in college wow and so I had to learn how they were doing it And it was nuts. So, like, we had all these play calls that had names and the whole play call of formation, protection, route concept.

And we transformed it to one words so we could just shout it out and everyone knew what to do. And that's what they were doing at the college level. Does that, there's still some play callers that have that long verbiage of play calling. It takes forever to get the play. And you see sometimes the delay games and the play is coming in late. is that where the game is kind of going to now or do you have to or some of those whether it's the West Coast

you know type style coaches or whatever the case may be is they going to stay there or is it do you have to go to like what you just said like Jordan or this or that I think it'll always be both really be both yeah just because I don't know it depends actually

when you watch college they all look to the side they clap and then the whole team looks to the side they you see these signs and five people doing different things and then they go back to the play. Yeah, but I think that's because a lot of college is still spread them and shred them and everyone can still look and you have like two protections for the, you know, the offensive line. In the NFL, you're under center a lot more. Right. So when you're under center a lot more, there's probably different things. You know, all right, let's grouper. I mean, we did have

those kind of plays, but when you get under center, I don't know. That's a good question. A lot of those kids don't know how to get under center either. Oliver Lawrence said the first time he ever got under center was in the league. Jared Gough had issues with that when he was drafted from Cal, he never got under center and he struggled with the Rams. And McVeigh had to pretty much feed him everything with a protection. He was trying to get everything in before they cut off the mic. 15 seconds.

15 seconds because he wasn't used to reading the protection, doing the disguises and doing all that and getting under center. So when you had to do it, now, teams were moving around and that's why it just didn't go away. So that's why maybe the one word does because we always like to get to the ball quick so Josh and Tom had communication

because it cuts at 15. And so the faster you, like, you know, if you don't do the celebration, the first down on this, everyone's doing fucking something, you know what I? If everyone gets to the line,

you got 40 seconds. And if you have 10 seconds to get there and see what the defense is doing, it gives you more advantage. Well, I mean, how many, how many quarterbacks those like Peyton is like Tom's like some of the other quarterbacks that looks and then okay oh you're going to give me your mail you're going to I'm going to read your melasses now

now I'm going to change everything I think I'm going to switch it all up I think there's probably like six that can do it that's tough but that's how it's always been right there's only six that could do it when you were playing true I mean we all saw the other guys right the Jake plumbers and all the you know what I mean there's some guys I'm not going to call any names I love Jay I love James. Come on. But it was crazy. Also, Braves brought in the introductions.

You see that? The single player introductions? Yeah, now, that was a little, that was, I didn't understand that one because you know what that came from, right? Us running out as a team. Oh, one. Super Bowl, but 01, but, you know, the reason, 9-11. 9-11.

When Joe Andrewsley, I remember his brothers, he had like three firefighters that were in New York, were firefighters. fighters at the time and we wanted to show unity with the nation and everybody so we didn't want to be individuals and all run out we wanted to say hey we're a team we're all one i think that was the theme we're all one at the time the nation and everybody coming together so that was our gesture of showing solidarity and everything as a team and we got fine for it yeah they find us for it i mean in the super bowl because we threw off whatever the skill was with the, you know, the shows and everything.

Forget the message. Fucking Jets, bro. Forget the message. Schedule comes first. No. It was a dome. It doesn't matter. They got,

they always fly by. Always. The message was great, though. Yeah, I like the message. We're watching that out. Solidarity for our nation, one team, one, one, you know, one nation, whatever. And we got fine for it. You know?

I guess entertainment was a little more important at the time. Going back to your point, though, maybe Braves just doesn't want to, he wants to kind of write his So his new chapter, the new chapter of the Patriots. I get it, but he won under that. He won under that. Remember under that umbrella. Let's running out together. Yeah.

That's true. We won it. He won under that. He won big under that. He won very big. Right. We won big too. You think this team has a shot to actually do some damage?

I think so. I think they're still developing. Yeah. Especially, you know, the one common denominator with all these teams, if you don't have a quarterback, you don't have a chance, right? So now that Drake's starting to, you know, develop and get better every single week. The defense is going to get better to run game.

Vraib, believe it or not, is really, really big in special teams. He was a special team guy. Pittsburgh. Yeah, so he puts a lot of emphasis on the special team. So a coach that understand that every phase of the game, not just saying that because it's cliche, but every phase of the game, especially field position and special teams, is important. And then, you know, he's teaching the guys how to practice, how to win, how to prepare

pair. I think that was lost. You know, I think your guys was pretty much the last group that was really like going through it and it started to dwind. There was no more guys. There's no more guys. And Braves has got a hybrid player guy.

He's a coach that's been through it. Right. And it's hard to get people to understand like this is what you have to do. A lot of times, and I tell young kids, college kids, pros, I said a lot of time the games are won in practice.

1,000% And before the game, the game is the dessert, right? You go into the game, that's our fun part. All the hard work we did during the week,

that was like grueling. Like, that was, that was the work. The game was like the fun time. So I think he's teaching some of that stuff and he's taking what he's learned and he's applying it

and they're starting to really understand it. And the only way you understand it is when you start winning and have success. And you see it work. And you see it work. So I think they're going to be good. I'm not writing them in a Super Bowl this year or anything like that, but I think

give them some time, give them some more talent to come in, give them a chance to bring more players, and they'll figure it out. I think it's a little early to just write them to the Super Bowl, but these are things you want to see from your young team that's developing. Each week, get punched in the face, throw it an interception against the Browns. The receiver's saying getting punched in the face. I love it. But that's a lot. But that's his DNA. That's why it was so good. That's true. That was his mentality. That's my dog. You don't hear receivers talk like that. But I'm just saying like they get punched in the face. Miles Garrett has five sacks. I know. Trey throws the interception early. They go down

and they had the composure of mental toughness to really still put it on them. Yeah. And not let that ruin your day. That that is growth. It is. For a quarterback and for an offense and for a team. And I see this booty guy out here making plays all the time. Like he gets his number called six, five, seven times. He's making a big play. Like, that's how, that's the, that's the formula right there. It's just, they got to keep doing it. We haven't seen them doing it in weather.

We haven't seen them doing against, like, premier teams. You're going to start playing tougher teams as the year goes on. And these are all just checks off the box that you have to have. And that's been our advantage, though, the weather, you know, and being, they got to make sure it is in that time of the year. It should be, it should be. It should be. And I know Braves going to make him practice outside probably.

Of course. He got it, right? course. If you're going to punch a receiver in the face, do it within the first five yards. And that right, Jules. They can get away with it. Another rule.

There is. Another rule that was in place because of us. I think that ruined football. Them changing that rule. Freaking Bill Polly and. Against the Colts. Colts are, they? Colts and Ravens.

You had some games against the Ravens, 1,000%. Those are the two teams why a lot of these rules exist now because of the complaining. All I know is them Colts. They were the ones over here on that deflate gate.

Oh, this ball's a little flat. Oh, man. Bro. And they had the same amount flat. I was about to say, does everybody know what happened with the study that they supposedly had done? Yeah. It was supposed to be, we won. Yeah.

Everything came back inconsistent with every team. Some balls were deflated. Some balls were a little over deflated. Some balls were this. You had no consistent evidence that those balls were different than any other team. in the league. Ideal gas law. And guess what?

Instead of coming out with all the information they found, they just didn't talk about it anymore. They didn't talk about it. Remember that there was that playoff game. It was like 10 to 10 below degrees against the Vikings. And I think I forget who. And they're like, oh, we're keeping track of all the like air pressures of the balls. And there was absolutely zero data that came out of that game because it was probably like 9% or 9 PSI.

And then the funny thing is, because I watched that game, you guys, the game. No, you didn't throw it, but here's the other thing. Here's the other caveat. The game was super close to the first half. After they took the balls and gave you their balls they wanted you to have, you blew them out in the second half. It wasn't even close. I think little Garrett's still running.

It wasn't even close. Still running. It wasn't even close. So I was like, what's the difference? What was the difference in the balls then? It's so funny. You said the Baltimore Ravens and Indy because I think it was Baltimore were tipped off indie.

Yes. Because we played Baltimore first round and then we blew out in the second round. Harbaugh was pissed about the Baltimore formations.

The Baltimore and Alabama. Oh yeah. I was going to play for Raven. Yeah. Who man? That was because we got that

from Alabama. Yeah. He wasn't ready. Soft. Got to have it. Read the rule books. Got it in the rule book. That's the one thing

about Bill. He knew or Ernie or whoever. They knew that rule book inside. out backwards and things that probably wasn't even put in that they could do. 1,000%. I mean, that's another advantage of preparation.

And also, Vrable knows it. Because when we played him in fucking 19, remember that? He did it on you guys. He did us on that. The clock run out. That motherfucker. He was smirking him there. And he was sitting on the sideline, just smirking, shaking his head.

Like, he knew exactly what he was doing. He was smart. Smart guy. There's so many football stories. stories within these stories. What about some Matt Light stories? How was I'm a young Matt Light? Because I got old Matt Light.

Matt Light. You got trickery. Oh, we got trickery. Running all the games and all the pranks and 1,000. He was still, that was always him, though. His personality was always above board. He was always funny. He always worked hard.

I mean, he was always, I think, like that prankster and had those jokes, you know, in his back pocket. He was one of the guys. he's hilarious did he we had them on here he he brought out an email that bill sent him after when he shocked up and shit were you on those teams yes were you on those teams there were there were things that we didn't even know he was like he was like he had he had anything to do with he had like he had so many things going on i was like how do you find time to work out to like to prepare and watch tape because he was always

scheming a prank or doing some type of shit to somebody. Oh yeah this O-line thing's my side job. Was there anyone he like wouldn't fuck with you? Oh, he knew if I did it to Will Fork, I'd get him. He'd get it any he fucked with Hernandez. Let's just put it in that Did he? Yes. Oh, God. Oh, man. He didn't care.

I mean, he got Bill. If you sneak into Bill's office and get Bill, then you, everybody everybody's like. That is wild to me because you got to get you got to have some serious planning because you got little bears right up there up in front dogs and got to get past bears to get into bills office there's some there's some all right we'll get it we'll get it yeah let's uh let's talk

about you growing up in long beach yeah yeah football i mean you live the the stereotypical southern california athlete life long beach polly USC talk to us about the la football culture la sport culture as with the youths i did because i'm a bay area guy you know i thought we were better you know we always we always played the bay we would always come up there you know we never played we were good enough to play you guys we weren't good enough to play you yeah but mori joseu played for the uh i forgot de la salle so we always played that you know the north always plays the south but anyway um yeah football is big man and and actually i was signed up by my mom she took me to to to sign up for football you kind of keep me out away shout out moms thank you

love you. And my first sport was T-ball. T-ball. T-ball, because that's the youngest sport you can get in. Five. Yep, you can get in at five.

Well, now we have five and six in the youth. And it's loop, youth footballies. Do we? We have five and six tackle football, bro.

Heck yes. It's crazy. Man, when I see those videos on TikTok of those kids, oh, they're incredible. They're incredible.

They're like little bubble heads. But it's good. It's protective because a lot of people are concerned, right? And it's like, oh, you're putting five and six, five and six year olds in pads but when you put them in flag the kids run out of control yeah and they

don't really have control yet and their heads are down because they're just trying to grab flags and stuff right so they're out of control and there's no protection these kids aren't running fast enough or doing a bunch of enough when you put the pads on them it's they can barely hold you know the football and they're running it's basically strengthening their little necks it is but it's getting them the core the core techniques and stuff at a young age that's what i'm not to get in the stance, how to hold the ball, how to use the shoulder pad versus the head, you know, how to tackle, how to wrap up, how to put your face across the ball, receiver, or a delimement or whatever, O line, get in a two point, get in a three point. Yeah. You know what I mean? If I'm

telling a receiver, you know, you know, get in a receiver, you know, get in a slot versus outside or whatever. You know, the simple things. It's, it's football literally. 101 grassroots and I started there and of course youth is big out here and then of course I went to Long Beach Polly because when I was coming up if you didn't go to Long Beach Polly which was the mecca I think we're still in the top five for most NFL guys in the league if you didn't go to Long Beach Polly you just you wasn't you was scared yeah or you wasn't that good and you were scared the competition because they had a rich history of all the top players in the city that wanted to go there and compete. And that was the place to go. And then SC, it was between SC and Colorado,

actually. Colorado was winning Natty's back there. Yeah, they were. Canaise McGee and all those guys, Be in a lot of those guys, Cordell, all those guys, they were winning. And I was close, but I wanted to go to a place that I can get a great education. that my parents can drive. We couldn't afford to fly her all around the country and see me play. That they can go to home games. And I think they had just won the Rose Bowl.

It had beat Michigan. Bo Schembleger. How do you say his name? Bo Schembecker? Schemblecker. They had just beat Bo and the Rose Bowl. And I was like, I'm going to go to S.C. Got to.

Heck yeah. I'm going to S.C. I stayed home. Who were some of the. big names on your teams? The big name who handed me that number, rest in peace, was junior. Man. And that's when 55 became 55 for SC. You know, I like, I like you have number 11 at Penn State. Yeah. He's the sole reason why 55 was the number and still the number at USC. He played one year. He played one year at USC. I think he was ineligible the first year. Something happened the next year.

He played his junior year, had over 22, 23 sacks, just dominated. Came out top five pick, and he handed the number down to me. I was next in line, and then that's how it started. So he was another reason why I wanted to go to USC. You know, he's an Oceanside kid from, you know, from the San Diego area. And just seeing a lot of guys from where I was from go to SC and across town. L.A. staying home in that battle and everything. I was just like, they have everything I won at the school, so.

Yeah, at USC at that time. Yeah, powerhouse. That was the West Coast. If you were the baddest players in California, you went to USC. I didn't even think about USC because I never thought I was that good. Like, I was looking at like cow and shit, you know what I mean? USC, that's where, I mean, some of the most epic teams, epic names, Heisman trophies, national champions, always in the Rose Bowl.

And that was the bowl at the time, right? The Rose Bowl. Still is. I still think it is. Well, it is. It just now is different. They shift the national championship according to whatever the case may be. You went to school with Snoop?

I did. Long Beach Polly? Snoop was there. Cameron Diaz was there. Did you know of these? Did you guys all know each other? Of course. That's so dope.

Is it a big school? How many kids are at the school? It's a big school because they have a college prep. magnet program as well. So, like, it's called Polytechnic, actually. So we are into, it's the home of scholars and champions. I thought it was Polynesian, bro. Yeah, I know.

I mean, we did have a lot of Polynesians there. We do have a lot of Polynesians. Don't trip. That's Long Beach right there. You know, we got a good mix of everything. But, yeah, there's a lot of, I think, like, 5,000 students is big. For a public school. Yeah, it's huge.

Yeah, it's huge. It's what, Snoop's just wrapping in the whole. Always? No, I mean, he was doing his thing. It was more like 2-1-3 at the time. They had a little crew called 21-3. Cameron used to cheer for the football team. She's a cheerleader.

Yeah. You could pull up the footage and all that. We had, I mean, she was like, I think, did the cover of 17 magazine at the time. So we had some people warned G had came through there for a year, I think, and then went back up to North Long Beach. But we had, you know, a lot of names. That's awesome. It's a pretty familiar school. There it is.

Cheer for a boy. We'll be back. Like, man, look at him out there, bawling. So I think in 2017, I'm in the back bay and I used to just take night walks. You know, like, just go walk out of night and no one can see anything.

I'm walking down Calm Ave in the park. I swear to God, it's Cameron Dia. She walks randomly right. by me. I was like, what the fuck? Was that Cameron Diaz? Did you say hello? Didn't say hello. Didn't say hello. Great, great story. You should have told you, not Willie.

It's a great story. I know. I should have said, hey, my friend's Willie back. They call me squirrel. I'm kind of a big deal out here in Boston. You might want to know me. It was like a movie, though. It was like a movie. It was like a movie. That was my story. That's what she does, bro. Maybe she was practicing, you know, I want of her shot. I think she was shooting a movie in Boston. I think she was shooting a movie in Boston.

A lot of them were doing that. Did Snoop play ball or anything? He played football, you football for a little while, but I think he found something he was a little bit better at. He was pretty good at that. He was pretty good at that. We'll be right back after this quick break. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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Geisel. Stand up by Ludacris. Oh, classic. That was huge for everyone. Luda. Elf, bad Santa, love. Actually, we're all popping in the box office. Chappelle show. Oh, my God. That was the best. That was the best. When that came out, Because that was the first time you could buy DVD seasons, I think, at this time. Yes, I had all of them. All of them. Classic. Oh, my.

What was your favorite? When he did Rick James. Oh, my God, bro. I would say that was one of the funniest when he played the crackhead was like hilarious. Tyrone Biggins. Yeah, Tyrone. Tyrone. When he played Prince and he did the basketball and made you some pancakes.

Game blouse. Hey, what's his day was great on that too? Charlie Murphy. Charlie Murphy? Bill Burr was in those? Bro, like, there's so many. You could, I mean, I think that was the... What was it, the wife swap? Yeah.

What is this thing? A lightsaber? When he came home and said, don't give me no back talk, get up there. I think that was the first time where you really saw the edgy. Outside of like Richard Pryor and Eddie Murphy and some of them, you saw a comedian on skits. Yeah.

go like outside really really outside the box was it HBO Comedy Central because the limited color was right there too yeah but they didn't they would get into some shit they would straddle yeah they wouldn't go that they wouldn't he went he went all the way over he did he crossed I mean he he's like I just watched a skit of Jim Carrey doing Peeley Herman though on in Libby Color they they started it they they kind of started it far as skits oh my god they were hilarious men on film all that kind of shit the guy in jail.

Like, they, they had a lot. Humpty the clown. Oh, and the quotability the next day. Homey to clown. Homey the clown. Homey the clown. Homey don't play that. Homey don't play that.

Oh, my God. And we all used to, I used to beat my little sister up with the sock. You know what I mean? She had the sock. Oh. What was Willie Mack like in 2003? Man, I think we were, we were, like you say, I'm looking out of his culture and all this stuff right here.

I was, I was into the, the Chappelle, the music, and we were just, I guess, creating or coming into this whole, we couldn't call it dynasty. We wasn't allowed because that's not the mentality or what we were able to do in that locker room, but just understanding how good we were.

And I remember, you know, guys playing against Peyton Manning, playing against Steve McNair, playing against some... Yeah, Coen DPs. Yeah. call MVP's like crazy some of the best

some of the best players in football just so competitive it was a real balance league it was a lot of competitive tough football teams it wasn't just like eight really really good teams it was like every week

it was a fight yeah see that that just tells me he was in the pocket a lot of people would come in here and they said oh you know I was doing he was worried about like they were literally I try to tell people when I was in it

in the whole Patriot and when we were in that we're in a pocket like you didn't enjoy anything you were so worried about like Yeah I was there You know what I mean You're so worried about the process of winning

And going out And like you enjoy it afterwards But you enjoy it for a day But like you know You had a lot of shit going on But you know what I mean You'd watch something here But you're in a pocket of like

All right can we keep it going The teams were too good Teams are too good So even here after one Super Bowl, you were feeling that this team was special over the course of... No, after the first Super Bowl we won. We didn't even make the playoffs the next year. But then this year...

We didn't make the playoffs because we had that feeling. Like you said, we got comfortable. We were like, oh, we won a Super Bowl. This is how it's going to be. We got the same team. We're going to get more players come in. We'll be back. And we end up missing the playoffs because we needed, I think, the Jets to beat or Green Bay or somebody

to beat the Jets what they should have and we were sitting around waiting on the team to beat another team to get in and we didn't handle our own business and we got complacent and we thought because of we won the way we won we beat the best team one of the best teams ever

oh we'll be back easily we even make the playoffs the next year so that was the eye-opening and that was something to tell us hey this isn't promised like we wanted in 2002 but the bucks was the bucks yeah yeah played the No, it was the Rams, wasn't it?

No, they wanted 49. Yeah, before you, they were trying to repeat. And it was the Bucks. 20003 season? Yeah, it was Warren Sapp, Derrick Brooks. Yeah, it was the Bucks. When Gruden went over in the trade, first year from Rader. Like that's, fuck, that was nuts.

Who we played against. I know, in the Snowball. In the Snowball, we played again. That's what I'm saying. We had Charles on, like, a couple days ago. He didn't want to talk about it. It's still a fumble. It's not a fumble, bro.

Now when you see that play happens, it's like, I've never heard of the rule until they called it. But after that, I saw it like almost every other week then. You saw the same call. It was the right call. It's a stupid rule, but that was the rule. Hey, I was grabbing my helmet on my way out to the field. That's all I know. I thought it was a fumble.

I didn't see it. It's kind of like against an 18 when we threw the pick, but there was off sides. I didn't see the flag. Guy came up to me, said, you have good off. She's up sitting there throwing my helmet. Fuck you. And then I saw that flag. I'm like, we're back.

He was like, hey. It's like, fuck you. Also, this is Nick Saven national championship LSU this year. Is he going back? Is he going back? No, the internet's not going back. Some of the rumors are out there. He don't want to do what he's kid.

I don't know. Lane train? There's a lot of good jobs. Oh, it's a wild time in college football. Is he still on the board? the college? Oh, let me look. He might be.

Because I know he was on the board. That's a good point. I would say if they changed some of the rules as far as it's transfer portal and they already tried, I think, to put like a... There's only one time you could do it now. Yeah, but also the money. They also put like a limit on the money per school, right, for that you can offer for NIL.

So I think if there's some type of balance amongst all the schools where, you can't outbid or say, oh, I got more money. I can get more players or whatever the case may be. I think what he would consider it. I just think he got out of control and he got tired of dealing with it, like you guys said. No, I can see that. The jobs open this year are crazy.

Penn State. And they're pain. You see what they're paying? Unbelievable. These coaches are getting $70 million, $56 million buyouts. You don't have to coach anymore. I think coaches buyouts only a million. I saw that.

What's up with our guy? A million? That's it? Yeah, he put it in there. If he takes a job or something, he can, there's some. Does it have to go to Stephen? I think so. I think that was, no, seriously.

I think that's in the contract. I don't know. I mean, it's kind of like how it was set up in the contract. Kind of, it's like, I might not be, I might not want to be here. Yeah. And then if I don't, it goes to Stephen, right? Yeah. Then I got to buy him out.

They're just buying people out. It's insane. Brian Kelly, 52, 54, whatever it was. Florida State, if they move on from him, it's 100 million. Oh, my gosh. Are they going to move on from Florida State? Oh, man. A hundred million?

Jesus. They can't move on. The jobs that are open this year are absolutely insane. Premier, man. Premier. I mean, it's Premier jobs. It's premier jobs. LSU, Florida.

Florida State. When have they been good? Penn State? Florida ain't been good in 15 years. They're a premier job no more? No, but I'm saying it's, it is a premier because players want to go there and play the facilities the this the that

These players don't care about facility They care about money I get it But they have money You just gotta have You gotta win You gotta get back to winning

All those schools What's up with that C Like crazy So we get We don't have no 55s They're trying to figure it out And it's a reason You gotta earn it

You can't just give it to anybody No I know but like They don't even They gotta get it They gotta get We gotta get a 55 We have to get some Some

consistent wins Defense Rob Ryan. Rob is there. Yeah. Rob is trying. They're trying. Lynn is there.

I know, but we got to get players. They got players. They got players. They got players. They got players. We need Willie Mack in there. You know, we had the number one recruiting class or top, top two, recruiting class in the country. So they are getting players.

So now it's starting to, it's starting to turn. But before we couldn't win the trenches. Do you think it's the taxes? No, I think. Little kids come out here. They're like, man, that one's going to pay 43 percent on these. That's a big brain take. I didn't even think about.

I don't even think these kids have any of these set up to know that they have to pay the taxes. Are we going to have high school symposiums? We need to. We need to start educating. They need to have fiscal classes on these kids in high school. Because these agents slash NIL, I have an NIL division, which is ran by the agents should be teaching them that. And they should be understanding because I think when the parents or family members get the money, they start spending. And they don't know.

You got to pay taxes on that money. And depending on where you are, you got to, you know, it's, it's different. Do you have to do like the different states if you're, you see, Seattle? No, they're not getting paid per where they play. I think they're, whatever they're, they're probably getting the majority of their money in the state that they're. But, but we travel. We have to play every, on the road. We had to pay taxes.

Yeah, because we were getting paid per game. You know, I don't think they're getting paid per game. I don't know how. their contracts are up. I think they're... Is there... Because all our off-the-field stuff was always

wherever your business was. Yeah. And their business is all going to be... They're not... I mean, if you got some smart little junkers, they got a little S-corps and stuff... I was going to say, what if they have a house and their family still have a house

like in Texas or Vegas where there is no state tax or whatever? You run everything through there. I know. I mean, that's a whole lot, but... That's a whole lot. The blue hands become... High school players are getting paid.

They're getting paid. High school, college, everybody's getting paid. Crazy. So I just think there's got to be a certain tier. I think that's why our sports are kind of losing a lot of the culture. The American. It stinks, man. Look at it in basketball.

We hadn't had American be MVP in like eight years. Since Hardin. It was over 10. 10. You know, baseball. Ain't none of, I mean, we have a couple of, the black communities, not even represented in baseball anymore. Not really. It's all

like the Latinos and the Japanese. There's like no there's a couple. There's no like the American player in football wait until they start bringing in these Germans. They start bringing in these Germans. We've played with a couple of them. They're starting to come in. I don't know, man.

I don't know about that shit. I think I think you're reaching. The Indianapolis cults. Let's jump into the game. We got dirty dandy times a cult. 12 and 4 Colts, Tony Dungy. This was the second year of the Tony Dungy era. Tom Moore was the O-C. Tom Moore, that guy's still doing it.

Tom Moore. Offensive consultant for the bucks. Man, insane. And they're doing well. Yeah, I mean, they're bawling. Dude is 86 and still showing up. I love that. That's a football guy.

Jesus. We had Dallas Clark was a rookie this year. Robert Mathis was a rookie. Ballers, man. Oh, my God. Second ranked offense. We remember that. Almost 28 points a game.

Defense, not so hot. ranked 20th, letting up almost 21 a game. Peyton Manning, this was his co-Nvip year. We talked about that earlier. A lot of Hall of Famers on this team. Manning, Edge. Jeez. Marvin Harrison, Dwight Freeney, Tony Dungey, and Bill Pulley.

Only knew how to build an offensive team. And Reggie Wayne should be on that race for sure. That's a good team. I mean, they had players. It just wasn't, they were, defense was really, really good when they were ahead, which they were a majority of the time. Yeah. Because they'd get after you.

Yeah. It wasn't really physical, but they would get after you. They had great pass rushers, and they had some good. DBs and secondary guys. Was it always a little different when you had to prepare for this team? Yeah, always. Just because we talk about adjustments in-game, halftime,

sideline, whatever it is, the sheriff, Peyton Manning was probably one of the best to ever do it. And he was smart. He did his research. He did his preparation. He knew, like, you look at our side, all ID coordinators and defensive. He knew everybody.

He knew what they liked to run. He knew their tennessee's. He knew where they were good. at where they were weak at like that's a true story he would study coordinators and defensive personnel guys just to understand like what they like to do in certain situations and it always came down with them to the situational side of football yeah there's always adjustment so this is one of the teams that we couldn't do the exact same thing every time we played in the dial every third down you had to switch it up even even we always had and you can appreciate this because I know you guys did, like two half, two halves, first half, second half of adjustments

in different plays. Because I remember when you guys played Atlanta in the Super Bowl, you had, no, I'm sorry, when you guys played the Rams, you had a whole first half, first half. And then you had a second half, but you didn't need to switch it because they couldn't stop the first half. But that, that was them. First quarter, if you was doing something, he was going right to the side and switching it up when you came back out you may see the same formation or this or that but it was like two or

three different plays off of that to bait you in it was always a chess match with them would you what was the best thing to confuse him well Peyton used to always wait to like maybe six seconds before he snapped the ball because he wanted to see everything he wanted you so that's when we really start disguising so later you saw Baltimore doing it a lot remember when ed read used to run down and they used to do all the movement well it was It was because we started that with him, because we knew if we got in position and lined up with more than whatever seconds on the, you know, on the clock, he would change the play and then snap the ball and attack, you know, our weakness.

So we would always wait and hold off, which is going to play a factor to later why this is one of my favorite games because we used the play clock against them and it ended up going against them. It went, you know, we kind of burned him with something he liked to do. Let's jump on to the Patriots. That's a good segue. I like that. Stick around for that, folks.

These are the 14 and 2 New England Patriots, as we mentioned earlier coming off a year where he missed the playoffs, won the Super Bowl the year before that be the greatest show on turf, undefeated at home this year. And notably starting the year, lawyer Malloy released five days

before the season started. That was a big story early on. And then brought in Rodney Harrison, which was huge, started two and two and won 12 straight, 8-0 at home. defense, unreal, letting up 14.9 points a game, league low, and then a couple Hall of Famers on this roster. Richard Seymour, Tileau, should be a lot more, but those are the two as of now.

Yeah, they call the system guys. I'm right in there. System guys that win. I mean, I'd rather win than be called a system guy, but it's all good. Amen, kiss the rings. How did the team react to Laura Malloy? It was tough. It was tough.

You're captain, right? Yeah, and he was our guy. you know, I was especially close to lawyer, and it was just like some things you don't understand and Bill gave one of those famous speeches that, you know, I'm going to always do, I'm not going to always do what's best for individuals, but I'm going to always do what's best for the team. And lawyer was pretty much still in this, right at his prime. So I don't, you know, we didn't really see it coming until Rodney came in. And then we was like, oh, it's kind of like a swap, like a swap out.

You know what I mean? And maybe he felt that Rodney brought a little bit more than lawyer. But at the time, we didn't see it. Lawyer was physical. Lawyer was all over the place. Lawyer played aggressive. You know, he played the run. He was good in the past.

Great communicator, great teammate, super physical. You know, he was a linebacker playing safety, kind of like Rodney. But we didn't get it, you know. Yeah. But it ended up, of course, working out. It worked out. It worked out. That was when that year started with lawyer Whitting, 31-0.

Against us. We went to Buffalo, and they kicked our ass. And he was celebrating. Yeah, with Bloodsaw as well. We got rid of Bloodsau. And he was doing his Patriot celebration to us against us. And we were sitting over there like, and then that's when a lot of heat came from the media and all that

because we lost to the bills, to the two guys we traded. way. Crazy. Whatever. What a way to start? It worked out. I think it worked out.

I think so. Oh my gosh. Should we hit this lead up real quick? Let's hit the lead up. All right. Coming into this one is a week 13 matchup, both teams entered nine and two. Pats were looking to get to 10 and two for the first time in franchise history. Wild to think.

And then coming into this one, Vanderjek was hot. The kicker on the Colts made 30 straight field goals. He did miss. Dude was on fire. And the Colts previously, if you'll remember, had been an AFC East team up until the the 2002 season, I believe? Man, went to the south, right? Yeah, and went to the south when the Texas came in.

So they were looking to sweep the AFC East this year. The Colts were kind of running through our division. And notably with the Pats, won four to five games leading up to this. One all five, but four of the five had been one-score games. So really a good team learned how to win those close games. Kind of like we see what the Chiefs these days, you know, win these overtime games, these close ones. How come you think we always did well in close games? Because we prepared for every situation.

and I think guys didn't panic. We knew what to expect. And a lot of times when you see teams or players panic it's because they didn't practice or they've never seen the situation that comes up in the game. With us, we've seen everything. And sometimes at practice it'd be like, man, we're doing all this or we're doing all this extra stuff.

But it was always a rhyme and a reason why. And a lot of times those situations came up and we were like, oh, we practiced that like 10 times. We're good. Let's go. Yeah. Right? 1,000 percent.

Like the Malcolm Butler thing in Seattle and they practiced that play so many times. And I'm sure there's like 50 other plays like that. Well, I mean, the next Super Bowl in Atlanta were we installed like six two-point plays. And we needed like three. And what happened? Usually you have like two or, you know, you have two, maybe three. We had like six and we needed to have two of them. Right.

And got them. Yeah. It's crazy. Any Ernie stories for those nuggets? Do you guys ever get? Do you have any Ernie? We didn't know who the hell Ernie was for the longest. We didn't.

And we used to just see him and, you know, it's like, we didn't know who Ernie was until like later. It was like, oh, because Ernie never talked. He just come around and just hang out. He sit at practice. He observed. He watch. And then they started handing out like sheets. Like, hey, here's some TV copies of the calls that we heard or this or that.

Ernie got there, so we start hearing the name. We was like, all right, who's Ernie? We still didn't know who he was. We knew the name. We couldn't put the face with the name. And then figure out who Ernie was. Ernie cards. The freaking Ernie cards.

Willie, we love getting as many of the brain trust guys on here to break it all down. You got any good Romeo Cornell stories? We hadn't had Romeo on yet, but. Romeo, man. Romeo's my guy. Romeo, interesting enough, Romeo used to be the coach that would catch the punts. that would give us the night off. You know when the coaches make a coach,

you get to elect the coach to catch a punt, and that'll determine if you got the night off or whatever the case may be in camp or whatever, Romeo, man. He'll go through big, agile, mobile, and you would always come through and catch that punt for. You'll never see a team jump with more joy than after one of those kind of...

Oh, my gosh. predicaments. Because it's always a lineman or somebody, right? Lyman, coach, coach that's usually not mobile. Right. I love pictures. But you never know. Hey, man.

Romeo's my guy. Oh, yeah. Romeo's my guy. Heck yes. Romeo was on the Bill Parcell staff when I came in. He was the D-Line coach. How about that? So Romeo along with Scar, you know, there's a couple, there's a couple coaches that was there

from before. Before 94. All the way through. So. I think Scar was there from 86. Oh, yeah. Scar was there Scar's been

Scar has the longest tenure out of all the coaches Oh yeah But out of the only coaches Except for Nancy Nancy's though It was Scar And then

Nancy Scar and Nancy Scarr Howard yeah Scar was there When we got beat down By the fridge Yeah In the Super Bowl man 1982

He was a special team's coach Crazy He was at UOP Yeah but then he left For the Colts And then he came back He came back In 91

And then all the way Scar has the most wins Probably than any any coach that's been there. Scar is the best. I was Starstruck seeing him at your Hall of Fame thing in person.

That was big, because I hadn't seen him in a while. Man. Scar's a man. I loved Coach Scar. I told that story. Scar would always lift you up. I always tell everyone, you're always cool with other position coaches

and even if the position hates that coach, you know what I mean? But the coaches, there's a politic thing. There is. But Scar, he also used to pump like, he was like if he said something to you it was like a big deal. And nobody fuck with Scar.

Like Scar was like the OG. Everybody knows like his resume. Yeah. Except light. Yeah. Except light. Well, light. Except for light. And light used to drive him crazy. Crazy. He used to drive him crazy, but

that's light. He drove everybody crazy. I think he kept Scar young. Because Scar had to laugh at times about certain things. He used to have to, you know, like, hey, this fucking. guy. I don't know, bro. Coach stories are the best.

And he had like a demeanor about him, like a calmness about him. But when he coached? When he coached and when he went in, he went in. That's the same cars, different license plates. He used to say that a lot.

We were doing short yardage. Same cars, different license plays this week, boys. Everybody just looked and laugh like, yeah, you're right. Oh my God. So it's like your position coach

is like your dad. And then the other position coach is like uncles. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, unless you got a young coach. Then they're like, uncle or brother.

Yeah, like, or it could be little brother. Or it could be little brother. Nowadays, he's young coaches. I had Mike McDaniels, a little bro. Well, Mike, yeah, when Josh and those guys came in, man, they were holding the cards and scout team. They were holding up the cards. McDaniels.

Yeah, and dayball. Dayball. And running and running, you know, running the tape, you know, at the front. I mean. I saw a flow like that. Yeah, you saw flow. I saw flow like that. B-Flow is like...

B-Flow was driving the vans and stuff taking us to certain... Yeah. They make those guys work. They work, but they know every... They cross-breddom too. And they could... Yeah, because Matt Patricia and, like,

Josh and Manjini, like all those guys were all coached on both sides of the ball. Cross-cred-all. What was the rivalry to this point with the Colts? Was it there yet? Yeah, it was there. When I think when Peyton came in as a rookie, I mean, you know, he didn't have a great rookie season, but that's when the coach started just adding talent. And it became like, hey, this is a good team.

Harle Ball was there at first. And then they bought in, they bought in Peyton. They bought in Harrison. Marshall Falk was there. You know, Pollitt was there. Reggie Wayne They had talent, bro like on paper

One of the best teams ever I would say offensively We've ever played against It was just tough And then when you got a quarterback like that That's super smart chess match Yeah and he's a student of the game It became our instant

Rivalry in a division And then you said they switched But they were still It seemed like we still played them every year Regardless Oh it's top of the division Just a little context to that. Played him twice in 01.

Brady won both of them. So this was the first meeting since 01. So Brady's 2-0 against Peyton at this point of the game we're doing. Billy Mac might get mad at you for saying Brady. Oh, my. What you mean? The pads. Think about it.

When we played them, it was Peyton versus Brady. You know all right, girls. I was in the last one. I was in the fourth and two game. Remember when Kay Feezy? That was the first down. I don't know, it wasn't, I don't think it was. Do you know why you went for it?

Because we weren't stopping them. There you go. And that would have been the game. And Bill said that he had to put the ball on the side of the ball that gave him the best chance to win. That was. And it was pre-analytics. Yep, it was you guys. Because they had drove down.

I was watching, I was in Cleveland at the time. Can't say I was rooting for you guys. But I was hot because I should have been there. But anyway. Peyton had two minute drives and went down to score back to back I think and Bill was like shit

we can't stop him so I'm not gonna give him the ball again I believe in you guys it was close man like talk about a game of inches of course went and scored right when they got it we lost

I think it was three scores in a row yeah that was like but that would have been that was the third one yeah it was the third one it's crazy shout out K Falk though what a beast

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Let's Indie get on the board. Let's Indy get on the board. Then they chip away at it a little bit. Get it up to 1410. But right before the half, Bethel freaking Johnson, bro. What a play to end the half. That was like a last, that was a touchdown with like 10 seconds left in the second half. Yeah.

He ran in the end zone with no time on the clock. Yeah, I think that's when we were like, oh, we're good. With the 92-yard kick return. Not so good. Unbelievable. You know, you get a lead like that. And because of our defense, we just was like, oh, we're straight. So you went into halftime confident.

Feeling good. What a way to the half. Not comfortable. Bill never let you feel comfortable. Never. And as a team, we were never allowed to just, oh, the game is over because we knew who was on the other side of the ball. And then we come out of the half, 11 play, 61-yard drive,

eat up some clock, move down the field nicely. Extend that thing to 31-10, another Mike Cloud TD. And then... Now I'm feeling a little better. Yeah, we're like, oh, 21 points. We're good. We're good money here. And then we start trading picks, Brady Pick,

leads right to a touchdown. We're 31, 17. That was a Reggie Wainer. Then another Brady pick, man, right at the end of the half. Sudden change. Big sudden change. Right away TD to Marvin Harrison. Now we're starting to sweat this thing is 31, 24.

I don't love that. And then early in the fourth Indy puts together a nice little 10 play drive ties this thing up. We're at 31, 31 right now. They scored, what, 21 points in like six minutes? Yes, insane. So what are you thinking after that? I'm thinking this is what type of game we thought it would be.

Like I said, that was like a mirage going in the halftime or going up like, I remember everybody saying it ain't over. There's two halves. The game zero, zero, all those different things that we always say when we're in the locker room. And when they started

to make this push, we were like, okay, this is what we figured the game would be. You know, our expectations that it was going to be a close game anyway when we started. So, you know, our conversations where we got we're going to have to win this thing in the fourth quarter they're not going to stop whatever the case may be so us being up like we were was a little we were a little surprised but we wasn't like content and knew that hey it's a rap no we knew it

it was far from over thankfully after that we get a huge another one bethel johnson again 67 year run back he did starts us off of the indie 30 uh quick score tom finds deion branch for 13 yards only scored like eight and a half minutes left so a lot of time left we took the lead 3831 Dion whips out one of the greatest TD celebrations you'll see in a long time underrated people I think Dion I think Dion used to dance back in yeah it was that Trilage oh no you know a little dirty a little dirty got a little dirty got a couple nicknames so it kind of ludes that he that he used to do some extracurricular for a little bit of change dirty dirt I like that I like that I don't want to put him out

Yeah, we're talking about it later, Dirty. Oh, Phil Sims on the teleguys, like, oh, that was quite the dance. Hey, Phil Sims gave dirty on Shadow. That rocks. Oh, man. Dirty just always call everyone dirty. Hey, we are dirty. Oh, that dirty.

Payton and them come back second to last drive that they'd have it. Big sack by Willie Mack and Braves on that drive, but they convert, end up getting a field goal out of this, 38, 34. That leads us to what would be the final score of the game. Holding them to a field goal at that point, would that felt like a win? Huge, yeah, because we couldn't stop them. Obviously, if you look at, you know, the drives they had and how they were moving the ball, we were struggling. Why?

They made adjustments. And, you know, it's just a lot of times when we played them, it was going to be close like this. But remember I said earlier, like with Peyton, there was like sideline after plays. There were quarter adjustments. That's halftime adjustments. You see the halftime adjustments.

And, you know, we were making adjustments. They just had an answer, and they were just making plays. And then when you turn the football over, you know, which we turn the football over, you can't give like a hot hand the ball right back. And, you know, they capitalize. They play well. So the pads go down. They score.

They need a touchdown to win. What's on the clock? 257 left. Tom almost threw another pick there. Yeah. Ken Walter points it away. Didn't burn a lot of clock with. Three minutes left.

They take over at the New England 48 after the punt. 257. Oh, they punted. Yeah. Yeah. So 257. Get it down with 40 seconds left. Driving it down to New England, too.

They're moving. Moving. Yeah, edge up the middle. Are we at the like, all right, guys, we're going to bend. We're not going to break. No big plays. Let's get them down in the red area. Try to get off the field.

We didn't want to give them down in the red area. They were just moving the ball. And a little caveat, before we get into them moving a ball into the red zone all week, You know how Bill has these situational footballs and these nuggets. All week we watched tape. We would show that if a player was hurt or down that Payton would, and you try to run a player on or player off, he had a call where he get to the line, quick snap,

get you a 12 men on the field, get the penalty, get the extra yards. So we knew that. And you could hear Bill all week long telling the defense, listen, if you have an injury or if there's something wrong, don't try to run off the field because he's going to run up to the line and he's going to either catch you trying to run off and us trying to run a guy on

and we're not going to be set and ready to go and we're going to get hit with a big play. At the time, maybe responsible for another rule change. At the time, they didn't have that you lose a timeout or you had to lose a timeout or the rule that they have in place now. So an injury was an injury timeout, right?

They didn't have that. You get forfeited timeout if you get hurt. Yeah. They didn't have that at the time. So, of course, we knew that. So playing against him, we watched, I don't know how many times. There he goes again. You can hear Bill.

There he is again. Look at him. Boom. Penalty. Penalily. So in my head, when I got, when I had the injury, I started to try to limp off, and I heard his, I heard his voice saying, don't try to run off, just get down.

So you get down. Where were you, where are you guys right now? Where, where were you? I was with a minute nine, minute nine left. So they had just got a first down, right? Yeah, I think they were on 18, it looks like. Yeah, they just got a first down. And I tried to do some type of moving my leg, my leg got caught.

Wasn't bad, but my leg got caught. And I was like, geez. So I did, I was going to try to go off, but I went down Because I remember Bill saying it So for all those who always say he fake the injury One thing about players That had injuries, you never want to fake an injury Because it's bad luck

Especially if you've dealt with injuries Back surgeries like we've had, whatever it is Whatever type of injuries it is You don't ever want to fake it But it happens But on this particular one I didn't because when I went off it was first down. I don't think I came

back on until the last to the last play right. Fourth down or third down? I believe it was fourth. Let me double check. It's fourth down. So if I was faking the injury, I would have came right back in the next play. There was no penalty towards it. Like they didn't say you had to stay out. Yeah. So then you guys we call timeout. We're able to get our substitutions in.

Well, the injury. The injury, yeah. Automatically called time out. Automatically. Yeah. So we didn't have to we didn't have to waste one. We didn't have to waste one. But we also, We got, you get time to adjust. And they were on the move. Yeah.

Like he was moving the ball. And you know him, he likes to go. They were down to the nine, which is crazy. Willie, one thing about that with, with an injury and playing on that, were you playing in basketball shoes? Like, what was it like playing on that old turf? Yeah, that old turf was terrible.

It was like, we just had the small nubs on the turf shoe. So it was like a tennis shoe with the small nubs. I remember sometimes like that those nubs will get sticky. Yeah, on their turf. Real sticky. Yeah, that wasn't. And you get scratched up? Yeah, I don't think that was the new field.

No, I told that. That was the old one. So, yeah, it was bad. Carpet. Oh. I feel like you get great jumps, though. It probably get a great jump. Yeah, but, man, it was tough.

The older you get the hard. The stopping and sometimes it would grab. Yeah. You know, it was good. You know, it was a fast turf, but it. So when I was young, I used to like turf because you could cheat cuts. you know what I mean you didn't have to like for receivers you could like run and like you could cut off the inside foot you remember bill was bitching like it's raining cut off the outside

foot inside part of you know what I mean so like you you have to be fundamentally sound on long grass yeah you got to get you got to think about it so that takes us to the final goal line stand the uh the absolute peace de resistance of this game we're at the two 40 seconds left first in goal Edgerton James right tackle one yard Teddy Bruce and Mike Vrib will make the tackle Edgerton James up the middle for no game Brucey and Rodney in the middle the Indy calls the timeout

next Peyton goes for the back corner fade to who is the guy? Aaron Moorhead We're going we're going Moorhead for our gotta have it play matchups. He was all about that he was all about who he thought was the matchup

Marvin Harrison though he's pretty good I know but with Peyton he made everybody fucking good. And then fourth and goal from the one, 14 seconds left. This is the game right here. What's the play call? It was just the normal like goal line,

go line, whatever the coverage was. But remember I talked earlier about adjustments and Peyton liked to wake to the clock runs all the way down before he switches the play. So I was always the end guy to linebacker. linebacker, as you know, was never in coverage on our defense. We would never be in coverage or drop. We was always the end guy, contain guy coming off the edge to rush.

So they had, I think, a slot over to me on my side. So I stood up and I turned my back like I was in coverage to Peyton. And he saw me and you see him right away. It's like, I don't know, 12 seconds, whatever the case may be, he he does the audible he does the he does what we know payton does and he moves edron from this side to my side because it's a soft edge the detackle is inside i was the outside guy so what they were going to do is they was going to crash down on the end and they have a soft edge of edron was just going to run it in they were going to run me off with the receiver but i was never in

coverage i was disguising so i waited all the way until the clock got down in like three or four seconds where he couldn't change the play back. And I turned back in, if you see it on tape, or you see the game, I turned back in, and I just hauled ass off the edge. Because I was never dropping. I was just disguising, but it forced him to see that.

It was like, oh, I got him. There's nobody on the edge. We'll seal the edge. Easy walk-in touchdown for Eddron. But me and Ted Washington made the play. He saw me. Washington swim. Oh, man.

Got it in. He swimming. and got in he he saw me he tried to go more inside but he couldn't because big ten was in there and we we pretty much tricked like one of the best ever to make those adjustments and audibles into calling a play that we wanted him to call where did this guys come from was that just gaming in the moment or is that like a play call always did it's always about the sky the gaming ship in the game and just moving around we were always about disguising especially when we played Peyton because you cannot let him see what you're in.

Coverage is or nothing. You couldn't just line up in what you're in and give him the whole entire play clock to look because he would change the play and he would go at where he needed to be. Like you said, why Moorhead? Well, at that time, that was probably where the advantage was for him. So when we played them

and we were like the first to start doing this against them And like I was telling Jules, like later, you started to see Baltimore how Ed Reed would come all into the formation and they'd run out last second. All that was because of the, we did it because we knew we couldn't let him see what we were in. So you're in that moment. You do that little disguise. He moves Edron James over. You're like, I fucking got him. In my head, I was like, we got him.

See, like right here, you think I'm in coverage. But you see the cornerback up there right there. So if you see an outside guy like me standing up And I'm pretty much walked out to the slot Because we played a lot of cover two Cover seven right there You double the slot Yeah

He gets the inside, you get the outside Yeah, like we would funnel him right I'd take inside he'd take outside Where we call it funnel one One funnel or whatever the case may be But to the rat I would never The thing is I would never cover

A Reggie Wayne or Marvin Harrison one-on-one ever we would do that with tied in and back. So he was thinking too zone. He's thinking by my stance and how I'm up that we're funneling probably that receiver. I got inside and who is that, Ty, maybe he's got outside or whoever that is on the slot,

he's got outside, but I never had coverage. It's just little things like that you had to do against Peyton. You have to. You have to. Because if you don't, the score is like it is and he can run off 30 points, 28 points like that. Is there anything better as like a collective defensive unit than a goal line stand like that?

Four downs? Yeah, I mean, you don't want to be. It's not ideal. I'm not going to lie. It's not ideal to be down there against a good team, offensive team. You know, if you're keeping teams out of the red zone, that's probably the best. Because it's, it shrinks everything. It's tough down there.

team scheme really well I've watched these guys scheme these rub routes and all the stuff that you can do down there it's just tough it's tough for a defense it's so much you got to prepare for you got to think quick

you got to think quick and you got to for goal line you're taking more of your skill guys out and you're putting bigger guys in for the run and the physical part of it you know so if you got guys on offense that are versatile tight ends that can run routes

you put big guys in now you got them covering them you got smaller guys covering them. And then if you bring the big guys in, now you got a mismatch because you got athletic guys against big guys. You bring little guys in. You bring them in the block and now you can run the ball at them. So it just, it's always a game of, you know, like chess and like adjustments and personnel. And when you got guys that can do so much, it's hard to sub and think you're going to get one particular play because there's so much that can come off of it.

But nah, goal line, four plays in the goal line, that's not ideal. Not at all. Nobody wants to do that. Yeah, but afterwards, it's got to feel pretty much. Yeah, when you come out on top, but how many times does that happen? Hey, Super Bowl, 50, 49.

Yeah. But you got to be on the right end of it. You got to be on the right end of it. Yeah, yeah. And you get to do that victory celebration, running down to 50, baby. Take you out of all that. The defense against them wasn't happy.

They wasn't celebrating running up and down the field. No. What they should have done is ran the tush push here. Oh, gosh. Willie would have stopped that too. I don't have a problem with it, man. Like, I think when you have, were you designed something and you create something,

teams got to figure out how to stop it. You see what B-Flow did? You put the guy lying down. What are we doing, Flo? The doorstopper? I didn't get that part. Hey, buddy. You got to go.

great job this week right we're gonna lie you down there there's gonna be these guys trying to probably break your ribs getting low on you like yeah i i i don't have a problem with it you know everybody's crying about it how do you officiate it how do you do this they got to officiate it better they they they can't call if you're gonna let them that forward progress one would they call when they push the man pulled it from them right that that was a fumble and then there's been a couple that's a fumble right you got to call it and there's been a couple off sides by the guards that they haven't been able to see so this is looking like the league's probably gonna they're gonna come into it because it's too hard to officiate legal formation too guys are too high up false starts you

probably won't be able to touch the guy from the back but now now is it now is it you like that only jules right you like touching guys from the back pause pause pause pause pause do do but I mean I don't know like if it it's been stopped it's not like it's it's a it's 100% right teams have stopped it's probably like 90% though it's close like you said a lot of teams try in that position don't get I mean like don't get like I get it you got to win first and second down you got to win first and second down and that's what I I said that like two years ago on one of the the shows they were like what do you mean I was like don't get in third and short Or fourth and super short.

Yeah. Because they're going to run it. All right. Jack, you said after that this. Patriots won this thing, 38, 34. They would not lose again the rest of the season. Really? They would go on to win.

Yeah, it finished 14 and 2, then ran through the playoffs. Met Indy again in the AFC championship game. We remember that one. Tileau picked off Peyton Manning about 30 times. 24 or 14, we win that one. In New England, too, which is because of this game. Because of this game. That was the big implication that we mentioned.

The winner of that game would have had. home field throughout because we both had the same record and um we went on to keep winning they they didn't win as many games as we did at the end but this gave us home field throughout which is huge massive going to beat the panthers in super bowl 38 32 29 second super bowl in three years uh then they go on again repeat back to back baby to back cover lethal weapon type stuff super bowl 39 versus philly 21 24 21 pardon me then in 06 Peyton Manning would finally get over the hump and they would beat Rex Grossman and the Bears

the UFC championship game. That was the final. You guys were up like 21, 6 or 7? Yeah, I don't want to talk about that one. That was crazy. It was in Miami, right? Rainy game. Yep, down there.

Dungee versus Caldwell, yeah. Damn. The A.C. Championship game was the Super Bowl then. Rex Grossman and the Bears. I was going to say, like, I don't know who picked Rex for that to win the Super Bowl. They had a good, deep. That had a great defense.

Like, I don't know who picked Rex. I don't know. I was watching. I was just like, I don't think he has a shot. No. You got a hat. Devin Hester, though. No, I know.

That was exciting. That was it. That was it. Right off the kick up. That could have been another one. Man. We always, you always have those.

I think I think about the losses and more you think about the wins. You do. Well, you have to win a lot. In order for that. In order for that. In order for that. You have to win a lot.

Wow. Should we score this thing? Let's, score it and name it we we came up with some names willie if you have a name that you call it by we can go by that but this is what we came up with the goal line stand game the longest yard which is kind of maybe taken by that super bowl in the movie and in a movie the one yard short game the willie mcginnis game not today in the rca i like not today in the rca not today in the They were pumping that noise in there.

Yeah. Did they pump the noise in? They say that. Bill used to say that. I didn't even think about it until they started telling us that. I thought it was loud. It's always loud in domes, though. Not all.

I remember playing. Detroit wasn't loud. Yeah, but they used to be loud. Thanksgiving, when you play in their Thanksgiving, as festive as loud. It was never like really loud. It wasn't indie versus Patriots. That's true. I remember we went down to New Orleans once, and that place got.

That place is loud, yeah. Rocking. And they had like the umbrellas and shit in there. It was fucking like some voodoo. They beat the fuck out of us, too. It was a year they went out one to Super Bowl. He said some of the voodoo. Yeah, dude, it was some of the coolest shit.

I'd never been down there at the time. All right, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Just remember, decimals are encouraged in the scoring. Stakes Willie Mac. Zero to 10, decimals encouraged. The stakes of this regular season game

that had a lot of playoff. application game, but regular season game. Yeah. I'll give it a seven. It's a good integrity score. Yeah. Because I didn't, I didn't, we didn't really know until we actually got, you know, to that point where it made all the difference.

We still had a lot of football left. Yeah. I'm going to go with a 6.8. I got a 6.1. We're in the same region. That's 6.5. Nice. We're all close.

Star power of this game. A lot of stars on this game. There's some Hall of Famer. Yeah. They got a lot more Hall of Famers. They got a whole lot. To be fair, Bill and Tom will be in soon. So add two more of the Patriots, but.

And then Rodney could possibly, we've got some guys that could possibly, Adam Venetary. He should be. He should be in. Yeah, we'll be close. I'll give that a 10. Hell, yeah. If you got five and five on each side.

And coaches. And college and coaches, two off-fim quarterbacks. And owner. Yeah. Versa's craft crafty. Yeah. I mean, it's a 9-2. There's a lot of, like.

Like, I mean, I grew up watching these. This was like, this was the cream of the crop. This was 8.9. Always the biggest regular season measuring stick game of who was going to be the AFC that year. That's what I always think. The gameplay of the game, great game. Oh, fun to watch.

I mean, defense goal line stand, a lot of turnover, special teams. Everyone fucking had a contribution in this game. Yeah. What's the game play? Zero of ten decimal. I'll give it a nine. Nine. I'll go with a 8.7 for gronk.

He hates the Colts. Nice. He hates the Colts. I don't know why. Because of you guys. Like there was a hatred for the Colts. It was. And we didn't even play them like that as much when Peyton left.

Nah, not as much. But they had Andrew Luck and they were still a good football team. They still were good. He took over. They were really good. Man, Rob might hate him more than anybody. Yeah. I don't think he ever lost him either.

I don't think so, yeah. Yeah. I had 8.1. Nice. I had 8.4. So we're all in the same region. Look at us. We're scoring like pros today. The name of the game.

We grade the name of the game, the not today, and the RCA game. I like that. That's a good name. What is the name of the game? I'll get out of 8.7. 8.7? Yeah, I'll go with Grot. Shout out, Robbie G.

I'm going to go with a 8.5. Shout out to Ocho Sinko. There it is. At 8.0. And I had a shout out you. 5.5. Let's go. Oh.

There we go. What is it, what does it come out to? It's an 8.01. That's a big, that's a great score. That's a big score for, that's high for regular season.

Regular season. So that puts us at our brand new, it's tied for 51st with the 2012 AFC championship game, Ravens versus Patriots. It's just ahead of Veritech versus A-Rod, Red Sox, Yankees, Brawl, 2004,

and just below Super Bowl 53, Patriots versus Rams. It's a little tweener game for us. It's a lot. man it's a lot going on you know yeah what else we have what's you want to see the top oh sorry the miracle in miami was that the flutty yeah the flute hell mary 84 yeah that was the flute right we have flute on that yeah yeah yeah flute's crazy i remember i remember being in bro i remember being in the training room and then we had like a huge rainstorm and and like it's in the off season and there

was a flood in like one of the areas in boston and the people in the news are covered covering it and all of a sudden flutie just starts floating by in a canoe on the street. Are you serious? And he's like, what's up, guys? We're all in the fucking trailer like, is that flutie?

Are you serious? Fucking flutes. Canoing. Fucking canoe. That's wild, bro. Man, all right. That was great. Our last question we always ask

our guest. Our last question, what does football mean to you, Willie Mac? Football, from the time I started planning now It means a lot. It's life. It's foundation.

I think it teaches life skills. A lot of people use football as a carrot we do with the youth to be accountable, to be responsible, to put team over individualism to teach you how that everybody serves a role in life or in a position where there's business sports or whatever the case may be, unless you're playing an individual sport. It also teaches you that, you know, sometimes you're going to win, sometimes you're going to lose. I don't know anyone that's undefeated ever, and you have to sacrifice. I got daughters playing sports.

I teach them now. Sometimes you can't go hang out and do this. You can't go do this. Those girls aren't, they don't have to get ready for a playoff game. They don't have to get ready for a big time game. You need your rest. You got to eat better. You got to get your fluids.

There's so many things that goes into sports. It brings a lot of backgrounds together, a lot of different coaches together. People you may meet and interact and play with and sweat with and work hard with that come from so many different places you learn about that you probably would have never have in life if you didn't play a sport to be in the same locker room together and to be around them. You spend more time with athletes more than you do sometimes. family when you're in the thick of it and you you learn a lot you learn about yourself you learn about other people and i think sports football brings the world together i love that best answer we've

gotten that's the best answer we've gotten there's a lot man there's a lot it's deep you know i think it's super deep well you're super deep will he mac that's what we do i got one more question real quick we interviewed snoop dog years ago for his documentary he said you know how he does all like the Super Bowl, like, celebration parties. He said that you were integral to getting him to, like, play the Super Bowl parties. I was. We started that. So I had an entertainment company.

I still have it where it was 01. I was the one who got Snoop to come out and perform because Mr. Kraft was known for bringing in the big time artist. But we bought in, let me tell you, we bought in. We bought in Snoop. And from that time, Snoop was old. always performed at our Super Bowl after parties. But we also bought in Kanye when he had the single, The Wire. And you know who his hype man was? Who? John Legend. Wow. So you had those three?

His hype man was John Legend, bro. Man. And Kanye performed that single, The Wire, because I was friends with some people at the label. So they got him to come in. We got him. And then Snoop was my boy. And Snoop has started the SYFL and the youth. football. And I was just like, Mr. Kraft, he should come in and perform. If we win, Snoop dog's going to come perform and da-da-da-da-da. They worked out the business. And from then on, Snoop has been like family with the Patriots and performing at the post game. How was young Kanye West back then? Awesome. Awesome.

Yeah. I'm young. That's when he had just got. Tarnie can perform no matter what. Yeah. However crazy he is, that dude is so genius. Yeah. He is. And it was, I think his single was the wire at the time. you had the broken jaw. Yeah, because he was the hype, man. We didn't even know it then. Like, we didn't know he was coming up. We're just like, he's the hype man.

He was the. So the Patriots are basically like Saturday Night Live. They give all the early. I mean, we had kid rock. We've had Rick Ross. You know, we have, we've had everybody. We had Earth went and fire. We lost.

Damn. To the five. That was a slow. Oh, yeah. Sitting there, licking your wounds. But you know what? To have all those performances means you got to be going to Super Bowls.

That's the caveat to all that. If you're not going to Super Bowls, nobody's trying to plan a Super Bowl after party. We were unbelievably blessed and fortunate. Absolutely. The longer you're out, the more you realize that. Because you meet so many other athletes,

they put in the same work as you, now I don't know about the same but there's some guys that worked their ass off and they just didn't get caught up on a good team a break didn't go their way you know what I mean? A lot of things got to go right for you to win a Super Bowl and the fact that we were able to get to the Super Bowl. You got to get to the Super Bowl

let alone win it. Willie Mack, we got to plug anything. What do we got? Nothing, man. We want our Trojans to do well. My daughter's playing in the playoffs. I got three daughters playing Howard, S.C. and Sarah Canyon. And I appreciate you guys, man.

You guys are, I watch you guys. You guys do a phenomenal job. Great job. Keep it going and continue success. Thanks, bro. Yeah, absolutely. My dog. Yeah, always.

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Everything and then some. What a guy. Yeah. Great game selection. Great game selection. Great score. Integrity score. Integrity score.

Awesome. Memory took us right down memory lane. That was awesome. Late clock McGinnis. When the game is on the line. I always love the chess match between just like games and ship. Especially that chess match. That was an elite chess match.

Patriots versus Peyton. Do you ever see the clip where like I think Bill or Payton? and talks about how Ed Reed would, like, do stuff like that to Full Peyton Manning. Yeah. Ed Reed, Troy was like that a lot, Palomalo. Yeah. Yeah. That play is a little bit Roman-empiry for me.

I think about that goal-line saying a lot. That goal-line stand? Yes, yes. I mean... Yeah, you were real hyped for this. I love, oh, my God. When Willie said this is the game you want to do, I was over the moon. I think about him a lot.

I don't know why. Willie Max's, like, so connected. Bro. This guy's, this guy's, he's more plugged in in the record industry than... He looks like he still set the edge. He's still set the edge. looks like he could set the edge. It looked amazing.

He still looks, just for everyone out there, definitely looks like he's got five, ten plays in him. At least, peak physical shape. I mean, you got to stop that tush push. You're really mad. I mean, he wasn't the fourth overall pick for no reason. No, bro. 505 on his chest.

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We got some hotline questions, and we got another little write-in Discord question if we had time, but we're in the hotline. We haven't nearly hit it in a while. We got the phone number. We got the phone number. That is 424-291-2-2-90. Next time I get a little jammed up in some legal trouble.

That's my first call from the precinct. I know that number by heart. The only number I know by heart. You're the only one that checks it. Oh, fuck. Looks like that bail ain't getting paid. Hey, we're Jacko. Oh, shit.

What we got? Hey, Julian Edelman, this is the best podcast going, and I think you should get Tim Tebow on to cover the playoff win against the Steelers at Mile High. Electric. That was an electric game. I've seen some, like, some, like, conspiracy stuff on that,

or not conspiracy, but, like, weird, like, numbers, like 33 seconds or something. There's a bunch of like Tim Tebow. I had some numerology type of. Numerology. There's some like cool stuff about that game. Tebowing. We should do his time.

He was so, I mean, like Lynn Sanity, Tebow. Literally took over the world. They took over the world. That was unbelievable. People don't realize he was. And I saw that he was really famous when he came to our team. Like this guy, he's got the Tebow effect. That's not real.

He said like three books before he was 28. It's crazy. I mean, the aura, the aura around that guy. Here's my question, though. Do you think Tebow, are we on his radar at all? Has he heard some of the things we say about him on this podcast? Someone has sent him a clip of the circumstances guaranteed. Gary was going to try to not go to that.

I know. I'm just curious. But since we did. Now is the time you're not going to go there. Every other show, every other 150 episodes we've done of this show. Hey, we're going to make this color. He's cool. He's cool.

with the jokes. I've seen it first hand. I think. Would he come in the, you think if we invited him, he'd come? I don't know. He's pretty big time. I know. He is pretty big time. Check, you should DM him. I'll DM him? What's up, Timmy? Never hurts. Yeah. Josh McDaniels was a coach. That's true. Maybe Josh could put in the good word for us. Josh was the coach? Yeah. For the playoffs? Yeah. It was 2011. I think it was 10. I think it was 10. 11. You went to the Super Bowl, right, and lost? Was Josh the head coach of that team? It was a lot. It was a the 2011 season. Yes.

But O'9 is when he was the coach. Yes. So Josh was there from, how many years was, let me see. Josh was in Denver for, was it two or three years? Playoffs. Three years. Three years. 09 to 10.

Yeah. So this is 2010? It was a 2011 season, but it was January 8th, 2012. And it wasn't, Josh wasn't the coach. He was the head coach of this Broncos team. That won a playoff game? So Josh won a playoff game. Wait, was he not gone by then?

He was there still? No, no, I'm looking at it right now. That's pretty crazy. Hold on, but yes, was Josh the coach? Yeah, that's what I mean. I'm looking at Tim Tebow. Motherfucker. I don't think he was.

John Fox. It was John Fox. Sorry, my bad. That's on me. That's on me. I thought it was Josh. And they went and got fired the year before. Yes.

And then he was in, he was in St. Louis this year. My bad. 11. My bad. Sorry, sorry. And they came to us. I'm getting all tripped up. The playoffs.

I think. We're in the chill zone. Yes. He's leaving. We're chilling. bro we're chilling bro we're chilling hey jules my name is wayne and i'm from pa i just wanted to call in and tell you a funny little story uh i'm currently 26 and when i was 16 going to go get my driver's license the night before i was very nervous and i decided to watch jillian edelman highlights

to hype me up the entire night and i'm passing my test and i gave all the credit to you i know that makes no sense at all but no man i just wanted to call and tell you were my eyes And thank you for all the memories on the Pats. And it's nice seeing me on the podcast. Keep doing well, man. Okay, bye. No dream is too big. Well, that's funny because that's what Jack does before shows he's worried about.

Oh, my God. That's awesome. Hey, fuck a cup of Folgers, baby. I'll start my day with J.E. 11 highlights. Yeah. Oh, my God. Recently, on the plane, I watched the 45-minute cut-up of just gronk highlights. Nice.

Oh, my God. Insane. The stuff that you forget that he'd, did absolutely fucking insane i do that every once in a while i'll watch gronk what's the last what are the last kailer you said gron jules who's the last guy's highlights you threw on i think i think literally gronk really yeah it's been on my algorithm i get sort of the fire fire fire i think i was watching some uh i think i was watching some yow ming highlights not that long ago yeah always fun it's kind of a go-to standard who else we did a lot we did um

For some dudes episodes, we did Dick Buckus. That was a fun one. Those are fire. Miles Garrett. Miles Garrett. Yeah. I was watching some Rudevin, Nisselroy highlights. I don't watch necessarily an individual.

I watch an era highlight. Oh, okay. I like that. Like the 80s, 70s. Clanging and banging, yeah. Clanging and rocking and rock and sock. I used to be big in hockey. You get to feed us to Don Cherry's rock and sock.

Oh, the biggest, the worst, the worst hits of 1993. Yeah. Oh, man. ma'am what's next you'll I know you said you did your time but imagine a fourth Super Bowl ring

is a wide receiver coach imagine probably not gonna imagine that one is it what is it Todd downing now you're more likely to suit up playing than you were to coach no way

can't run it was crazy to me that we don't talk about enough Macadoo is still on the staff Macadoo's on our staff Ben McAdoo I like that I like that

He matured He matured after the boat The boat pick Dude I don't know why I'm just going through the roster right now I think I remember See him

And I was like oh shit We have Macadour here When I was out there Doug Maroon too That's crazy I know Doug I know Doug Maroons He's doing a good job He's doing a good job

Sandwich Nah that's crazy though Shout out to Shout out to the current wide receivers coach. Todd Downing. Todd Downing. I spoke with them there. He's working them. Nice. I mean, they're looking good.

They got a pretty good unit there. Look, everyone said they had no big names before this season. All I keep on scene is digs with like seven, eight catches. I see booty with an explosion play here and there, an important got to have it played by Little Pop. Hunter Henry, don't forget about him. Like, they're distributing the football around. making the plays. Austin Hooper.

They got guys, man. I like it. Hooper. Good committee. Hooper's made some big plays, too. Booty might, like, lead the league in, like, air yards. I was going to say. I was just going to say.

He's had some big, like, lot of touchdowns. And they're all just, like, 43-9 yards, just, like, no yards after catch. He's been, he's been really good. Yeah. I mean, they're really good, man. LSU. He was the number seven guy, right? They were, they, I remember Josh talking high about him.

He was seven. He was seven. Yeah. Hey, guys. It's Stacy from Texas. And I don't know what. but y'all think that football is on fire. And I wanted to know whether you'd like the duo of Drake May and Will Campbell

or Scataboo and Dart. Let me know. Thank you. Well, thank you, Stacey from Texas. Daisy, she's a great caller. I love Stacey. She always comes with. She always comes with some ball knowledge.

Did she like a teacher? And she knows ball. She teaches ball at Austin. Austin. I like big men. you know what I mean Yep Drake May's big

It's on record His thing Did you see You see him next to Gronk In that interview Didn't look small That means he's big Like that

Yep Yep And then I met That's how that works He's large Yep I like I like I want a limine

In my duo I'm with you I'm with you I'm with you I love I love the scataboo and dart They're fun

They're energetic They're energy and they're they're they're having you know unfortunately scataboo's hurt that was disgusting to watch yeah but you know I'm gonna go Drake May and Campbell I'm with you on that one I like these fun young duos in the league right now yeah got a lot of them what are some of the good ones let's think Cam Scadabo Jackson dart you got Will Campbell Drake May you got ah man adunzee Caleb Roman Caleb is really fun they're they're on a little page

I don't know that things are going that great down in Washington, but I like the Jaden Daniels and some of his guys. He's got down there with Debo, and then he's got... What's his name? My man, Scarry Terry's fun, but, like, had been going great. But two young guys. Yeah, too young. You got to be too young.

They came in together. What do you got, Guy? I got anybody? Oh, he got, you got down in Houston, Stroud and... Yeah. And Tank and Collins. Those are fun. I don't know.

I'm trying to think here. That's good enough. Yeah, that's good enough. Send us some young guys to compare. Yep. Jules likes big guys and young guys. Yes. Come on, guys.

Big young guys. I like it. And then we got our last one here. This one comes from the world of discord. It is a question that has also been going viral. This is from David M. If you could delete one sports memory from your brain, what would it be? Delete.

Hit that, that men in black. Delete. No, it's just the memory. It still happens. Still happened. Oh, it doesn't, you don't, it doesn't take the play away? No, it still exists. You just don't remember it.

So a couple of your plays, I'm sure, are already in this category. Stumblebump, stumble bum from youth football? I would say, there's a chief's fly, where I, my last year playing. I, like, bobble to ball. and I think Honey Badger picked it and picked six did I think I forgot about that I don't like that one

Delete delete delete What about you Jacks? All of Notre Dame Oh man no I like some of the Notre Dame memories I like some of my dumbers memories Shout out Coach Marcus Freeman I think there is a play From the NCAA tournament Davidson Marquette

2019 sorry We ended up blowing that thing Threw it away Demand Brooks throws it out of bounds on the baseline OB inbound pass. Marquette gets it. Side OB comes down, scores, wins the game. I passed out after. I literally passed out.

I literally passed out. Like, just my body just shut down. I wish I could forget that, but I can't. But you actually passed out? I literally passed out. I woke up the next morning. The next morning. I was like out in my dorm room.

Crazy man. That's one of them. That's an underrated one. Of course, the helmet catch. Of course the Manningham catch. But that's one. That's a deep cut for you. You're saying like my dad after too many nicorets.

Dude. I was worried about my guy yesterday. This was 2013 Davidson Marquette first round, number three seed Marquette, 14 Davidson. Dude, Frank, I was worried about my guy. He's back. He's back, though. So I think for me, I would like to forget September 11th. Hear me out.

2010, 2010, James Madison beats Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. That's what I thought. Gosh. Oh my God, a national day of morning. He's had to go there. Never forget. Never forget. The Dukes. The Dukes. That was awesome. What a setup. What a setup. They got out Beamered ball.

Oh, man. Brutal. Okay. Oh, brutal. That was good. That was awesome. Shout out to those memories that got deleted. If we don't remember them, they didn't happen.

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