Games with Names - “The Manning 7” with Peyton Manning | 2013 Season Opener: Broncos vs. Ravens

Episode Date: September 6, 2022

It may have been a Week 1 matchup, but it gave us one of Peyton Manning’s most memorable performances. This week, it’s all about the Broncos vs. Ravens Season Opener from 2013 aka “The Manning 7.” Sam & Jules head back to the world in September 2013 (3:44). We talk about this unusual season opener and breakdown each team (11:27). Peyton Manning joins us to relive this incredible performance to kick off the season (20:36). We recap the legacy and score the game (54:16).Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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where I head back to my hometown in Kentucky and try to convince my high school to change their racist mascot, the Rebels, into something everyone in the South loves, the biscuits. I was a lady rebel. Like, what does that even mean? It's right here in black and white and prints. They lie. It's bigger than a flag or mascot. Listen to Rebel Spirit on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Thursday, September 5th, 2013. Sports Authority Field at Mile High, Denver, Colorado. Lightning might not strike the same place twice,

but Peyton Manning can strike the end zone seven times. This is the Manning 7. I don't know what that voice was, but I love it. That was amazing. The Manning 7. I don't know what that voice was, but I love it. That was amazing. The Manning 7. Hello and welcome to Games with Names presented by WinBet. I'm Sam Morrell. And I'm Julian Edelman.

And we are on a mission. A search. A journey to find the greatest sports games of all time. And today's episode, the Baltimore Ravens versus the Denver Broncos on the NFL kickoff week one, 2013. We got paid manning on today. We got the sheriff. That's a big get. We got my second favorite manning in the world.

It's technically my second favorite also, I guess. Actually, I might even put him third. Really? I might go Archie. Damn. Archie. That's some shade, dude. My also, I guess. Actually, I might even put him third. Really? I might go Archie. Damn. Archie. That's some shade, dude. My dad loved Archie.

Archie hasn't come on the show. No, he hasn't. Give Hayden at least number two. But Archie didn't knock me out of two AFC championships. Fair enough. You know? But he gave birth to someone who did. He did.

He didn't give birth. That's not how biology i'm stupid it was his seed it was his seed though it was his seed but in hindsight you know peyton manning he did take west welker that gave me my opportunity that opened things up for you open things open things up first thought when you think of this game I think Peyton Manning threw seven freaking touchdowns in a game that's insane and this set him off this set the pace for him to break the single season touchdown record yeah 55 55 I mean it after watching this game and and seeing the weapons that Peyton Manning had Thomas, Wes Welker with his new addition that offseason.

You know, you have Demarius Thomas, Eric Decker, who's just like, have you ever seen Eric Decker? Oh, yeah. He's like so good looking. He's hot. Dude, and he's a wonderful father. Yeah. He's a rad dad.

He's a hand, pull up a picture of Eric Decker. That dude, you get lost in his eyes. I mean, he's tall, he's dark, he's a rad dad he's a hand pull up a picture of eric decker dude you get lost in his eyes i i mean he's tall he's dark he's handsome he's got a receding hairline he makes it look good let me see look at him jesus i like i like you threw a little nag though at the end yeah like he's tall he's handsome he's balding but he's my boy but he pulls it off he's my boy he's my boy he's a handsome guy you're a handsome guy julian. Yeah, not like that, though. Jeez. I don't know, dude.

God worked when he made that one. But back to our reactions. Yeah, when you got those kind of weapons, Moreno, Codwell. Where do you rank this offense all time? I mean, Peyton had Edrin James, Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Brandon Stokely, Dallas Clark on that Colts team. Where do you rank this all time? I mean, the Brady 2007. 2018-1.

I mean, you got some of these chief teams that everyone keeps putting up there. I mean, it's hard because you got some really good offenses out there. And, yeah, they did 55 touchdowns. Did they win the Super Bowl this year? They did not. I don't know. I don't know. But let's just go back.

I don't want to talk. We'll leave that for the close after we hear from Peyton himself. Let's go to September 5, 2013. Number one movie, Lee Daniels, The Butler. did you see that one i think i think i did you know this was a weinstein production movie i did not see that movie i well this is it's weird that movie but i will not cancel all this anti-cancel whatever well that's he's in jail it's different that's different than anthony we are an anti-cancel podcast but weinstein's an exception you you know It's weird that it's a Weinstein production and it's like a delicate film on race. It's literally like if you did Jeffrey Epstein Presents the Elliot Page story or something.

What are we doing, Weinsteins? Come on. Oh, sorry. Go ahead. Number one song, Blurred Lines by Robin Thicke. Everyone remembers this. Featuring T.I. and Pharrell. Everybody stand up.

Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey, hey, hey. I saw him. Emily, what did Kowski, whatever. Oh, my. Yeah. Put her on the map. Yeah, that put her on the map.

That put her on the map. I just walked by and I saw her. She was on what? Chanel? Is she doing Chanel now? Is she doing Chanel? We'll get that from Jackie at the end. But yeah yeah that song

It was a hitter in 13 It's tough because it's as date rapey As they come but man is the beat good Right It really tests you You know you want it Do you? I don't know You know I got it

This is also the year The word selfie Oh my god this is the year is this the year what do we do because you didn't do before you did that it wasn't a selfie you were just a sad person like if you did that on like a disposable camera you were a psycho yeah it was it it definitely changed probably right around this time i remember I meet, you ever heard of the selfie kid? No. I met him at like the Grammys or something. He was notoriously known for like taking selfies with people.

I do remember this a little, yeah. Yeah. There he is. Oh, look at this guy. Yeah, we took a selfie. Oh, me and JT. Whoa. That's a good gimmick in 2014 now it's like

you're not a thing and everyone does it 13 you ever have someone try to take a picture with you and they don't do a selfie they're like hand it to someone you're like what are you doing adding another 30 seconds to this interaction i i just take the picture you got the phone it's honestly more personable now like wouldn't you rather do a selfie like hey we were close enough to take a selfie like that's what i do if i'm gonna ask someone for a picture i'm going selfie it's 2022 It's honestly more personable now. Wouldn't you rather do a selfie? Like, hey, we were close enough to take a selfie. That's what I'd do if I'm going to ask someone for a picture. I'm going selfie. It's 2022.

You flip up. You hit the little button, and we're wham, bam. Just to let everyone know, you can press on an iPhone the bottom of the left two, and it'll snap the photo. You don't have to bring your other hand in to do it. You can snap it with the left side. Oh, yeah. Who doesn who doesn't know that everyone should know that i see it all the time also you can tell if someone's a little arrogant though if they if they swipe up for the photo and it's already on them you're like you're sending selfies if it's not the other way yeah and i i

never thought about that yeah i never looked into that. What else? Mom jeans? Mom jeans are cool. Is that the high cut? Is that the high cut? That was like the 80s jeans. They're comfy. Yeah, where they have the high up here. They're coming back, too. They haven't left.

They never left. I see them all the time. Mariano pitched in his final game. You know what I will say about the Red Sox fans? It really kind of surprised me they gave him a standing O. I remember they gave him a standing O, and I was like, wow, the Red Sox fans? It really kind of surprised me they gave him a standing O. I remember they gave him a standing O, and I was like, wow, the Red Sox fans didn't expect that. Hey, man, Mar-

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Met my guy a thousand times, too. I apologize. We actually had a play named after him. You met him a thousand times, and that's how you said his name? Nah, like twice, but it sounded better, a thousand. Yeah, yeah. We had a play that was named after him because you ran a stopper on the outside, and he was the ultimate stopper or closer.

The Patriots had a play named after a Yankees great. Yeah, we did. I mean, he was a great all-time great. You got to tip your hat to people that have that. He would come in the game. They play Enter Sandman, and you would get chills. You knew the game was over. Just the greatest.

What about this Snowden? Remember Edward Snowden? Sure, NSA. Yeah, that was huge movies about the documentary uh they made podcast yeah docu-series still in russia where's he now i don't know if he he had to seek asylum he we we got to find that out but he's definitely probably uh if he's in russia probably not a good time to be in russia no well he his woman stayed by him this woman like she went to russia with him

now i don't i couldn't get him to move to new york he got a woman to russia are you kidding me he's a closer he's a close he's mariano now uh when you like does he have to like be a does he have to be scared of his life in Russia for his life? Was the Russian government working with him maybe? How does that work? I think as long as the US government hates him, Putin's like, keep him around. Yeah. He's all right.

I'd still be scared. I'd still be scared. No, I would not want to live there. What we got, Jackie? Yeah, looks like he's been granted permanent residency in russia as of 2020 permanent right that's how you get citizenship in russia you just piss off our government that's how you do it geez what what were you doing what year was this 2013 13 was it 13 i think this is 14 13 what was i doing i had just come off i won a comedy festival in uh atlanta called the

laughing skull festival and that helped me so i was on the road like every week playing strip mall clubs headlining some shithole rooms so you won a comp i won a comp there was a lot of there were a lot of comedians in it and i shouldn't have won is the truth i i that's a true that's a true that's a true champion right there it was they gave it to me because i was younger than the other guy this other guy tom simmons super funny comic uh had a better i did really well every round to get there but in the final round i think he had a better set than me but they gave it to him but i mean to me it's kind of like chop though, though. You have your appetizer, you have your main, then your dessert. If the guy that wins the dessert in the final two didn't win the appetizer or the main,

but got him over there. Are you a Chopped head? I like Chopped. I love Chopped. I used to watch it a lot more. I'm more of a Guy Fieri grocery games guy now. That's a good one, too. I love the Food Network.

There's something weirdly comforting about watching. All these chefs have had tortured lives, too. I love the Food Network. There's something weirdly comforting about watching. All these chefs have had, like, tortured lives, too. They're, like, artists. They all used to be in, like, gangs and shit. You see them, like, tattoos. Tatted up. Yeah. I've got a lot of chef buddies.

Let's just say they know how to party. Oh, they, I mean, they go as hard as anybody. They are maniacs. Because you can get fucked up while you're cooking. You can, right? Well, I asked them that. And they go, well, when you're in this lifestyle, you're always entertaining people. You're always having to cook.

And when you're cooking afterwards, you're drinking. And then one thing leads to another. I don't know. That's what they say. But you see them. I think there was this guy, Ron Sanchez. He's one of the main guys. And it was like, yeah, cooking saved me from going down the wrong path and i'm like what fucking gang were you in

where they let you walk off to pursue the culinary arts is that is that a normal thing are they that supportive he had to get jumped out probably he had you probably just cooked him a meal if you think about these tacos were so good we're giving you a second chance at life that's what you get let's get in these teams 2013 broncos 13 and 3 i believe one of those losses was to us when we uh came back from a 24 to 0 deficit at halftime in fox did they knock you out of the playoffs yeah they knocked us out of the playoffs so in the afc championship they were first in the afc west coach by John Fox, big player coach I heard. He used to have a lot of fun. Big wins, week one against Baltimore, the defending Super Bowl champions,

13 against the Chiefs. Names, clearly Peyton Manning, Demarius Thomas, my dog, Julius Thomas, Wes Welker, Eric Decker, Von Miller, and Chris Harris. Future Super Bowl MVP and Von Miller, too. Von Miller. Yeah. Stud, and then he just got another Super Bowl this last season. He's like 35, and he's just got another $100 million deal.

I played the wrong position. God did not touch me enough to be big enough, fast enough, strong enough to tackle quarterbacks for a living. God have touched you more you should have god should have molested you dude you would have been awesome they were knocked out of the divisional round by the defend by the super bowl champions afc or they were knocked out in the 2012 divisional round by the Ravens in two overtimes at mile high. It was a little revenge game here. A little revenge game. And this was revenge.

I mean, Peyton just torched them. Five touchdowns in the second half. And to give some context, Peyton, he was out from the Colts, had a severe neck injury, comes back his first year with Denver, new team, still has to get used to, you know, being a new environment. He was a god in Indianapolis for a long time, falls short, they get a couple key additions the next year, and that's when this year started in the 2013 NFL kickoff against the Ravens. Let's get over to the Ravens. Who we got?

Defending Super Bowl champs. They beat the 49ers in the Harbaugh Bowl. I mean, that was the Harbaugh. The Harbaugh. Joe Flacco, man. Remember Blacked Out there? Yeah. Dude, we were like, I remember this because we went to it.

That was Beyonce, right? That was the Beyonce Bowl. It could have been Beyonce. But I just remember the Niners went to the Super Bowl. Kaepernick. With Kaep. And we lost in the AFC Championship, and I was getting so many calls from all my Niners friends.

Like, if we go, if we go, if you guys go and the Niners go, you got to hook me up. And, you know, we didn't go. So. Damn. Coached by John Harbaugh. Yeah. Big wins.

Week 10 versus Cincinnati. Notable losses. Week 16 versus New England. That was a huge win on the road in Baltimore. Hostile environment. That place is always hard to play. We have Joe Flacco was on the team. Is he elite?

Is he not elite? He won two Super Bowls. He got paid like he's elite. He won one Super Bowl. He definitely got paid. Justin Tucker, arguably one of the most clutch kickers in the world. Ray Rice. Remember Ray Rice?

Ray Rice was there. I remember that awful video, obviously. And I remember wanting to see it because I was like, how horrible is this? I was just curious. And I clicked on it and there was a YouTube ad before the video. I was like, someone's making money off this. That's how fucked up the world is. Hey, that's what happens when you live in a capitalist society, buddy.

YouTube, man. YouTube. And Haloti Nada. Ooh. He was a beast. T-Sizzle. Terrell Suggs. But they were lacking.

Suggs. They were lacking old Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Yeah, the big two on that day. The big two. This team was obviously coming off a Super Bowl win. Lost a couple key pieces on defense with Ray Lewis retiring and Ed Reed off to Houston. Joe Flacco. Joe Flacco.

Former Colts on this team, too. Dallas Clark was a tight end, and they had Brandon Stokely. Stokely. Two of Peyton's former boys. That was a little probably heartwarming to see those guys on the other side in a different uniform while he was in a different uniform uniform things we remember from this game i mean this it's the seven touchdowns it's payton being like you're like shit payton is still elite payton is still one of the guys yeah payton came out with

the boom for you know in 2012 coming off that injury everyone was talking about his arm strength comes out this year put in a lot of work was that something that you guys were talking about in the locker room you're like as peyton does he still have it or what no you knew you knew that with the severity of what the injury he was dealing with, it was going to take him some time. Yeah. But you also know with Peyton Manning, he's all about preparation. He's going to get his team in the right play, and he's going to find a way to compete at a very high level,

which he did this year by setting the record 55 touchdown passes, seven in a game. I mean, it's pretty mind-bottling to hear these stats. You say mind-bottling? Yeah, because I have to bottle up all my thoughts after thinking. I'm going to be jacked to that one. It's boggling for sure. No, it's bottling.

I'm bottling all my thoughts up because I have so many thoughts. I have to bottle them for what I'm thinking about peyton manning over here beating us in the afc championship you know for you know the first of two consecutive times can we get a check on that we'll accept it okay i stand corrected this was a statement game to start the season what are some things that we've forgotten you know the lightning delay to start the game. The Ravens having a Joe Flacco banner in Mile High Stadium. Why are they in? It's so weird. So they had to play because of the Baltimore Orioles having a home game on this date.

There was some mix up. They share a parking lot. So the Ravens had to play in Denver, a home game. Yeah. I mean, if I just won a Super Bowl and we got to start the NFL season off on an away game, I would have been pissed. On a game that should have been a home game? Yeah. Well, it shouldn't have.

Yeah. Bullshit. And it's also that altitude fucks you up in Denver, right? Eh. I don't think it's that bad. It annoys me. I get allergies. You're more of like a badass Jew and I'm more of like a Jewish stereotype.

Yeah, and I... You know? You're more like, I can tough through, and I'm more like, ah, my allergies are killing me. You got to have that David mentality, bubs. David, yeah. David mentality. I'm already walking different, just doing a podcast with you, man. I'm feeling it.

How's your neck? Eh. Are you able to get down there? I'm working on it all right all right i mean look i play through pain too it's a different type of pain all right you know you sometimes i pop a muscle relaxer to do it sometimes i just you know say i could fucking i'm gonna do it i can't do muscle relaxers why not i don't know i just get i don't like them really i don't like them oh you put of those, have a couple glasses of whiskey?

You're going to be feeling nice, my friend. Yeah, but then you just can't, you can't even move. Not my style. Not my style. My style. And then we also, the Elvis Dumerville off-season fax gate, which resulted in him leaving Denver, which, could you imagine if they had doomerville and von miller like going on with these next couple years which i believe the agent got

fined what are we doing agent that's when you're going to your agent you fuck me yeah because you'd rather be i mean you'd rather be on this denver team as a as a yeah i mean if you got someone like von miller on the other side and you got Peyton Manning and the weapons that they had, I mean, that's a complete football team. Yeah. Let's get over to the Gaming Corner presented by WinBet. Let's make our prop bet.

What are we thinking? I think how many times can we compliment Eli Manning while talking to Peyton is a good one. I'm an Eli Manning guy when it comes to Mannings. Let's just say that. Eli is the man. I'm already doing it. I'm getting warmed up.

So what's our over and under then? I think we can hit six. So let's say 5-5. That's going to be tough. You don't think we could do it? We're going to find out. Will we buckle under the pressure looking in the eyes of the great Peyton Manning, or can we deliver and sing the praises of his brother nonstop?

Only time will tell. We'll see. We will find out here on Games with Names presented by WinBet. But all right, before we hear from peyton let's take a quick little break and now we are going to welcome a man that doesn't need really any introduction legend of the game revolutionized the pre-snap quarterback play countless all pros countless pro bowls five-time mvp five-time mvp two-time super bowl champ with two different teams pretty insane pretty crazy we got peyton manning thank you for joining us bubs hey julian thanks for having me uh thanks for not including

my record against the patriots in that bio. I appreciate you leaving that part out, but it's great to be on with you guys. Peyton, I can't say anything to you. You owned me when you were in Denver, and we're here to talk about the Peyton 7 when you opened up the 2013 season with seven touchdown passes against the defending Super Bowl champions, which is always insane to come out firing hot like that. But I got to open this up by just letting everybody know. If you guys can see, Peyton texts me. I haven't talked to him. Our booker booked us together and everything.

And I text him, thanks for coming on. But he sent me a book, literally a book of notes of this game like and i'm sitting here thinking like is this what playing with peyton would have been like is that what it would have been like just get these notes free game on a tuesday going into the wednesday practice hey i mean when you can't throw very far when you can't run at all julian preparations where you get an edge so uh taking me back me back to 2013 is quite some time ago, so I had to do a little study and pregame scouting report, if you will. Peyton, if you think you can't throw far, you should see me throw a football.

It's pretty pathetic. You can throw pretty far. Well, I don't know. I mean, Julian's a quarterback as well. He probably has the best arm in the group right now. I don't know, Peyton. I changed the receiver for a reason. Let's just say that.

Now, a lot of people don't realize, you know, when Peyton left the Colts, we were all in fucking shock. Like, what's going to happen? He's hurt. And the fact that, like, a folk hero like Peyton Manning wasn't playing in a season. Yeah. Like, it was fucking, it was crazy. And then he goes in, signs with Denver. First year, gets knocked out in the divisional round against the defending,

or the Super Bowl champions of that year, the Ravens. And then next year goes in, gets a couple key additions with Wes Welker. I have a real quick question before we get into the game. How much is Adam Gates giving you for all the head coaching jobs that you have got him? I have not seen any residuals yet, but Adam was great for me. Yeah, Julian, it's funny. A lot of people wondered why I stayed in the AFC after getting let go by the Colts. Hey, you're tired of playing the Patriots in the playoffs. You're tired of playing Baltimore.

And I really feel like that was the reason that I stayed because I was an AFC guy. I was familiar with those teams. Sure, we'd lost to them, but I missed the division. I felt like to go to the NFC, I probably would have been out of my comfort zone. So believe it or not, the Patriots and Ravens were a big part of probably why I chose Denver to stay in the AFC. And get into that. Now, when you signed with Denver, did you come in with your scheme, your system? Were they very collaborative with that? Like, hey, how do we make you comfortable? Yeah, that's a great point. Great question.

Denver was extremely collaborative. And, you know, I was coming off an injury, so I was spending a lot of time on my rehab. I think to learn an entirely new offense, I was reading an article on Kirk Cousins who's learning, I want to say, like, his third offense in the past five years, but it's a completely new offense. He said he feels like an eighth grader playing tackle football for the first time.

That is not a comfortable feeling as a quarterback. So for me, Denver basically took my Colts playbook, Julian, and says, Peyton, we will put in all the plays that you like. We'll put in your snap count. We'll call the formations the same way that you call them with the Colts but these are some plays that we think will be good for you at this point in your career we'll form a hybrid offense and that allowed us to get off to a fast start in my first season in 2012. Peyton you know this is like your comeback you know it was weird to see you not play for you

then you're back it's like your Travolta Pulp Fiction, Peyton's back moment. You know, how much pain were you? And I've had neck problems where the doctor says I can't perform cunnilingus. You're playing football. You know, I mean, how, how much pain were you in week to week? Yeah. Um, my pain really started in 2011, which forced me to have several surgeries, which forced me to miss the entire season. My pain kind of went away after my surgeries. It was just my strength and my weakness. You know, I had, you know, essentially nerve damage in my right arm and right hand. And so I just couldn't function the way that I used to. And I kind of lost my grip. I lost really my awareness of my arm and space, had a proprioception issue.

So, listen, I've had this unbelievable string of health my entire career, going back to high school, college, and the NFL. So missing that entire season was tough. I mean, I remember I was in a hospital bed in California watching the Colts play their opening game against the Texans. Kerry Collins is the quarterback. And I don't cry a lot, but I was emotional. I cried during that game because I wasn't out there.

It was the first time I hadn't been out there. And so that was tough. So to finally get back out on the field, albeit with a new team, it was a very satisfying feeling knowing all that I've been through to get back to that point. It's weird when you're hurt, the psyche that you have as an athlete, it's kind of like you want your team to do great, but you don't want them to do too great.

It's kind of like watching someone kiss your wife or take your wife on a date. guys are into that though some guy that's called the cuff sam that's called the cup neither of these two guys are into it true competitors yeah i mean i i mean that look uh it was a it was a miserable season i'm injured i'm not playing our team is not winning uh you know it's it know, it was just a tough year all the way around. So 2012 couldn't have come soon enough and, you know, got off to kind of a new chapter with the Broncos. And it goes to show you the competitiveness and the adversity,

the ability to overcome adversity that Peyton shows throughout his career. Literally, I mean mean this guy had a nerve thing that where he couldn't grip a football I've been on I've been on notice to tell everyone that I hate quarterbacks with gloves he gets the only exception because you know he could barely probably feel his arm but that that goes to show you the competitor he was stay in the conference fuck Brady fuck the Ravens we're gonna go out here i know him i'm gonna go beat him and that's the kind of guy peyton manny is now you're you're jumping into week one and week one especially if you play in the opening night game which this is

the opening night game for the the ravens but it took place in in mile high which is usually kind of weird we saw that no they were trying to make it somewhat of a home atmosphere. They had the Joe Flacco fucking banner on your guys' sideline. You guys kind of start slow. There's a lightning storm. There's rain. The place is probably electric because you do have the defending Super Bowl champs. But after you guys score that first touchdown and after you get the adjustments going because this is a game of adjustments especially week

one you got teams that are game planning for fucking six months for this game they got a whole new bunch of things that you haven't seen on tape there's no tape to study like when did you settle down after that that first touchdown is when you started seeing things, you started letting things lay out? All right, we do this, we're going to get that? Yeah, I mean, Julian, like you said, the beginning of the game was very strange. I mean, the fact that Joe Flacco's picture was on Mile 9 Stadium just tells you this is different, right?

And, you know, going back, I mean, like I said, the Ravens had beat us in a playoff game in Denver, a devastating loss. They hit this 80 yarder with like a few seconds left. They go on to win the Super Bowl, like you said. And, you know, when you win the Super Bowl, you're supposed to play your first game at home. Right. I mean, that's kind of what you earn. And the Orioles didn't want to give up like a home Thursday baseball game because they share a parking lot. So nice partners, Baltimore Orioles.

And they tell the Ravens, sorry, you're going to have to go on the road and play your opening game as a Super Bowl champion in Denver. So I'm sure the Ravens weren't real happy going in. We were motivated coming off that loss from the year before. There was a lot of emotion you mentioned the rain delay you're all ready to play all of a sudden go sit in the locker room for 45 minutes so it took us a while to get on track and you know everybody thinks oh you blew the ravens out that day we were actually down 17 to 14 going into the half but we had had a couple touchdowns hit julius thomas on a couple of touchdowns we felt like we had had a couple touchdowns, hit Julius Thomas on a couple of touchdowns. We felt like we had some momentum going into halftime and then came out in the second half.

It just I mean, it was just hard. It was hard to miss. Guys looked wide open to me. The Ravens weren't missing Ray Lewis. OK, I will say that was significant. Right. Ray Lewis had retired the season before, right? Went out in style. That was, look, that's a big void, right? I felt like they were still recovering from that loss. And Ed Reed as well.

So we were able to take advantage of that. Ed Reed was gone as well. Remember he signed with the Jets. And people don't realize. Ed Reed, yeah. I mean, that is the Ravens at that point. So there's no doubt we took advantage of that. I can remember playing against the Ravens,

and I bet you Peyton's got these same exact stories. And you'd line up in a formation in a certain down distance, and fucking Ray Lewis is calling out the play. That's the kind of guy Ray Lewis was. He was listening to everything that peyton was saying we all know peyton's pre-snaps like theatrics he's over here giving this that trying to see get the defense to jump out of their disguise then it becomes a chess match once you lose that figure and you have a guy like peyton manning who's a fucking player coach like once they figure it out

you knew something crazy was going to happen like yeah, I mean, I couldn't agree more. Ray was a quarterback there on defense. Then you add it, who never lined up in the same place, was going to do things the opposite of what he should do just to confuse the quarterback. Although those guys weren't there, I will say that Ravens defense was extremely well-ed well trained because of ray and ed's presence you know the guys filling in for them were still strong football players

were very aware understood our offensive game plan our tendency so it wasn't like it was a cakewalk by any means but i will say i did not mind not seeing number 52 and number 20 in that game and different now you threw five touchdowns in the second half that's almost more insane than seven in a game five and one half sounds insane against a well-trained defense against defending super bowl champion it was uh we hit uh like i said thomas a couple times in the first half. We hit Welker down there on the goal line in the red zone, kind of a place where Wes has sort of made his name on these little option routes, the same routes that Julian ran as well.

Hard to cover, and that was my first game with Wes. We'd had off-season training, had preseason, but you never really know until you get into a game so the fact that he and i hooked up for two touchdowns in his very first game as a bronco was a really good feeling and then uh i want to say we hit caldwell down the left sideline and then we ended up hitting demarius thomas on a go route on the right and then this probably my favorite play it was a one yard pass by favorite play, it was a one-yard pass by me. It was a screen pass to Demarius, but we caught the Ravens in a blitz.

And look, I had thrown that wide receiver screen before. I'd never thrown it to a 6'4", 222-pound grown man. And Demarius caught that ball, split the seam, same and was gone and he did that a ton in our time together so that was pretty cool to witness even though i didn't really do anything on that play besides the one yard pass yeah he says he didn't do anything but he saw the tendencies that the defense gave him he knew it was fucking blitz zero so the best thing to do to bleep beat blitz zero is throw the jailbreak screen on the outside it's a matchup but uh we also have very different definitions of not doing anything i'll show you not doing anything i'm a lazy man but uh yeah i mean you bring up wes welker this is an interesting season

wes comes to the broncos you guys work together for a first season that opened up things for julian in new england to kind of do what west did yeah so thank you thank you peyton well i mean i mean you're welcome i guess uh i appreciate i uh i uh yeah playing with west what was fun because you could tell of his knowledge his understanding of defenses after playing with tom playing in that sophisticated Patriots offense. So we were able to kind of pick up on a lot of things quickly. We sort of copied the Broncos playbook. When I signed Julian, we incorporated a lot of the same routes and concepts that you guys ran in New England.

Hey, Wes, obviously you like this play, right? You like Gotti, right? Go with an option route. We're going to put that play in. And so that allowed Wes to play fast, especially in that first game. You know, you had so many different players and, and, and the great thing about what you could do is you could get the players in the best possible situation for their strengths. And you saw that this whole game, DT catch and run DT down the sideline, you know, Julius Thomas down the middle West on his option routes, his pick routes in the red area.

And that's what a quarterback like Peyton can do. Now after stealing Wes Welker from us, which thank you. I appreciate that. It gave me my opportunity along with Aaron Hernandez drama. You know, when guys are leaving, that gives opportunity. He left for a different reason. He left for a different reason he left for a different reason but uh did you have kind of like a like a little fist pump moment when you go out and you steal tom's favorite receiver and you give him two touchdowns in the first game

you know it's funny like when you throw a touchdown in the first game to a new receiver like you sort of think about all the things that happened prior to that. I remember being down in Miami. I was playing golf with Dan Marino of all people and saying, hey, Dan, I got to skip this hole. And I called Wes Welker and went into full college recruiting mode, right? Just like when I was back at Tennessee, I felt like I had a good track record as a recruiting host, right? I was a pretty good closer, and I went into that mode with Wes Welker.

It was a part five, gave me lots of time to give him all my cheesy pitch lines and kind of sealed the deal. All of a sudden, you know, he comes to the Broncos. We do off-season throwing together at Duke University off-campus. We're hanging out. You know, all those things matter, right, Julian? I mean, all that time you spend together, it's not just on the NFL stadium field, right?

It's these off-season workouts in May and June when nobody's around. And to have all that hard work be put in in a short period of time and to have that pay off in that first game and, you know, what ended up being kind of a record breaking season now that was pretty cool that makes all the hard work worthwhile to me what kind what kind of pitch are you giving wes i mean are you saying things like tom doesn't love you like i love you dude like he doesn't appreciate you yeah probably so i'm not afraid to you know you know hate on on you know other people right that's what recruiting is, right. Hey, if you go to Georgia, there's no way you're going to get as good an education as you would get at

Tennessee. Right. So it shouldn't even be, shouldn't even be a comparison. So that's how you got people to Tennessee, the education. Yeah. Back then nothing else. Yeah. Look, I mean, you pull out all stops at West. We're going to throw it every time. You don't have to block, you know, we're going mean, you pull out all stops. Hey, Wes, we're going to throw it every time. You don't have to block. You know, we're going to keep the ball outside. We won't send you across the middle, right? I mean, everything is on the table.

Man. And you also, like, you got DT, which, you know, I spent a little time with DT. You know, it was horrific what happened to our guy. You know, can you shine a little light on DT? I know you set up a scholarship for Demarius. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, Joey Davis is one of my favorite teammates.

Sweet guy. Unbelievably talented. Incredibly unselfish. Right? Put the team over self. You know, look, receivers want the ball I get it but Demarius was different I mean he took pride in the fact that defenses were were double covering him right we're rolling a safety to his side and that was going to allow Julius Thomas to be wide

open right I mean Demarius took pride that he says, Hey, because of me, they're focused on me. Somebody else is going to have their day. That is not a normal attitude. I mean, was as excited to see my kids after the game coaches, kids, uh, at this incredible smile, tough played hurt, never complained, never came out of the game. So, yeah, I miss him every day. We started the scholarship at Georgia Tech in his honor. Every year, Julian, Georgia Tech is going to give the number eight jersey. That was what Demarius wore at Georgia Tech on August 8th. Eight-eight of every year.

He was 88 for the Broncos, eight at Georgia. They're going to give to their top player leader senior the number eight jersey every year on that date and uh i think that's pretty cool way to keep his legacy alive that's that's awesome that's awesome i mean you know with these kind of antics it makes peyton slide up in my my meaning scale of who i like more well we got to talk about eli for a second because I'm a Giants fan. I love Eli. What he's done for this city. I mean, what he's done for our confidence. We've had some of the other franchises in New York. We're dragging a little bit that the Giants won. It made me happy

to see you cheering for Eli at that first Super Bowl. I thought that was really cool. But there's got to be some sibling rivalry, especially once Eli got his second you're in Denver was a part of you like I got it I got to match my brother well and look certainly uh that was the goal every year and you know we had great seasons in Indianapolis and some great regular seasons in Denver but just couldn't quite get over the hump uh you know lost the Super Bowl and so look uh extremely proud of Eli the way he uh you know handled himself the Super Bowl. And so, look, extremely proud of Eli, the way he, you know, handled himself, handled New York. You mentioned that Super Bowl. That was one of the greatest football experiences for me.

And I was in the stands watching your brother lead a team in a two-minute drill to win a Super Bowl. So, it's funny you mentioned Eli and the Ravens, you know, thinking about, you know, what happened in the past to get you to this point. You know, Super Bowl season 2007, Hall of Fame and Dandy. I want to say it was 2004, Eli's rookie year. They went to Baltimore against Ray Lewis and against Ed Reed. Eli tells the story better than him.

But two things i remember about that game he had a 0.0 quarterback rating which is actually hard to do because it's not because it's not like over 12 it's like 4 for 27 with 3 interceptions and 21 yards like the math has to be perfect you actually have to have a couple of completions to get the 0.0 rating. It's hard to do. And also, he said, Julian, you'll appreciate this. Eli was up there calling the bike.

He's like, no, no, hey, number 59's the mic. And Ray was going, no, no, no, 59's not the mic. I'm the mic. And Eli said, oh, yeah, you're right. 52 is the mic. I mean, it's not normal for the bike linebacker on the other team to be dictating the protection call for the quarterback so the Ravens had a big impact on Eli I think getting to that Super Bowl uh you know several years later well you talk about

Cary Collins the Ravens beat my Giants with Cary Collins I think it was 01 and that was my first taste of that Ravens D when I was like, damn, Ravens. 2000. 2000. There's something else. Yeah. It was a tradition. It was a pride there.

War dance. Thugs. You know, Adelius Thomas, McAllister. I mean, believe me. Peter Boulware. They were specials. They were. And it just goes to tell you, you know, with all the rough times for Eli Manning,

you know, getting called out mic points by the other team to see him go out there and win two like he did. I mean, he's just got a short memory, and that's what you have to have as an elite quarterback. And he did it twice against the Patriots. He did it twice. It made me very happy. He did it twice.

Very happy as a New York absolutely and when so you have this offensive even this insane season throw 55 touchdowns you set the record insane where do you rank this offense not just for you but all time because you had insane offenses in Indianapolis too yeah I mean look it was it was you know people say it's like playing a video game in some ways it was because we had a bunch of guys Welker Julius Thomas Eric Decker uh uh Demarius Dreesen Tammy no Sean they love football they loved it they love to work they love to practice they love those off-season throwing sessions. And so when you have a bunch of guys that just love it, that are unselfish, that realize, hey, today might be Decker's day.

Today might be Welfer's day. I mean, it just made for a fun offense to play in. And we played some teams that we hadn't played in a while. They didn't really have any idea what was coming. We threw a ton of touchdowns, I think, against the old NFC East, if you will. So, yeah, it's pretty cool. I see, you know, no shot here in Denver.

I see Joel Dreesen and, you know, 55 touchdowns in a 16-game season, right? I mean, they've gone to 17 games. They still haven't gotten it. I'm sure it's going down. Brady's on a mission to break every record that I have right I mean he will he wants to break that 55 but trust me right Mahomes I'm sure is going to get there at some point too so uh most of my records have fallen that's one that's

kind of hung around you know for a little while I mean to tell you how competitive brady is now he goes out and he gets more retirements than me right i mean what what i mean seriously like you know i mean can i just have something you know you know overtime no no i'm gonna have two retirements you know i'm gonna have more than payton yeah but payton you owned us when you're in denver you owned us when you're in denver okay i get you're trying to be Mr. Humble right now but you you you became the sheriff in that that orange uniform that we all remember in the AFC championship in 13 15 and we could keep it going we could keep it going but I have a quick question like we talk about the pre-snap tendencies that you do did you jump in to plays with two plays always, or were you straight

audibling into other plays? Like, did you have a check with me with a two high look or one high look, a pass to run, or did that change up according to who you're playing? Because you're clearly a game plan kind of guy. Yeah, Julian, that's how it started way back when in Indianapolis. You know, around that 2000-2001, we were calling all those three plays in the huddle. We were calling a run to the right, a run to the left, and then

an alert to a pass play, right? We were a one-back offense. As you know, when a fullback's in there, you can kind of call plays, and it's called C-I-R-I. call it and run it, right? If the fullback's going to block the extra guy in a one-back offense, the defense can have too many guys in there and force you into a bad place. We wanted the flexibility.

And as we got into the no-hubble, Julian, you know, basically, I think the thing to say is 2000, we were starting a lot of games. We were losing. We were down 14- nothing. And the coaches said, Hey, let's go no puddle. Let's pick it up. And we started playing well. And finally we said, why are we waiting to get down 14, nothing to go no huddle. Let's just start the game that way. And that's how it began. And at that point we stopped doing the three plays and just kind of calling one play. And then if I saw something that the defense was doing,

like that all-out blitz cover zero, I had the flexibility to audible to a wide receiver screen and get us out of bad plays was the main thing. It wasn't always trying to get to the perfect play. It was getting us out of bad situations. And because of that, that 2,000 no huddle type offense, I mean, the last part of my, like the final four years of my career, you're starting to see all this no huddle.

Let's get to the ball. Let's play fast. Let's tire out that defensive line. They got too many guys that get the quarterback. The faster you can play, the more the quarterback and the OC can talk to each other. So there's a little advantage with that. You can get lined up. You can see what the defense is doing.

And he revolutionized that. I mean, that's what Peyton Manning was all about, getting his team in the best play, in the best situation. And, you know, you can argue there's no one better. And, you know, I have nothing but respect. I always bust your goddamn balls because, you know, you took two from me in the AFC championship. But I got to love you because you also took Walker away.

So, you know, I just want to. Well, I certainly appreciate that. Yeah, Joe and I agree, you know, play callers, right? Some are on the sidelines. Some are up in the festival. There's a big debate, you you know what's the better view there's no doubt that the best view of the field is the

quarterback on the field right he can see everything they don't sell tickets to that you know if you can give him some some some you know freedom to get you out of bad plays hey they're finally playing man-to-man let me check to a option route to Edelman in the slot, right?

I mean, press box, sideline, then even compare to the view that the quarterback has if he can handle that freedom and responsibility. Yo, so we have Brandon Marshall on here, and he said he didn't play any playoff games, and this is games with names, and he's a good friend of mine. We were on Inside the NFL, which streams on paramount plus of course and so we had to do the pro bowl where he scored four touchdowns and and recap that or five five touchdowns four i'm sorry four and he was

telling a story that you threw a dart route to him in the in the red area and he dropped it and he said you gave him the death stare from a thousand miles away for four minutes straight and you didn't throw the ball to him ever again is that what to expect from Peyton Manning if you drop his ball I mean the Pro Bowl it's it's a different type of motivation right uh if you're lucky enough to be named the starter usually the coaches that i played with said hey starting quarterback you can stay in as long as you want when you're ready to come out you want to come out and the goal is to try to throw as many touchdowns as you can so you can get the mvp award and win the car that is the goal right i remember rich gannon was the starter my first pro ball i was the third guy rich gannon's

like i'm going down the field three times. I'm going to throw three touchdowns. I'm going to win the car. I'm getting out. On the second series, Jeff Fisher put me in the game because he wanted me to throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice because I said that we could be cool to throw a touchdown to Jerry Rice. Rich Cannon was so mad. He's like, wait a minute. I'm not coming out. This is my deal. So when Marshall dropped that dart route, it was going to be a touchdown. And I thought I needed that touchdown to win the car, and he dropped it. So, yeah, and basically he cost me a car.

Well, recently Julian threw me the bathroom key on our floor, and I bobbled it. And there's been some trust issues since between us. There should be. That's a big one. You got to trust the guy that's catching your balls, okay a big you gotta trust the guy that's catching your balls okay you gotta trust the guy that's catching your balls and i would catch your balls peyton that's for god damn sure if you touch it you gotta catch that's the rule yeah no uh that's my rule of

sex too i don't know what that means but uh peyton uh what would do you wish you guys played together i feel like you guys could have had a cool i mean you had welker who kind of did some similar stuff that julian did yeah do you guys think you could have had a cool connection oh absolutely yeah i mean look i love you know just from watching from before i could tell julian was a student of the game i could tell how much confidence tom had in him and so look i know what that's like you know Wes Welker, Brandon Stokely is another guy that kind of comes to mind. You know, it's the slot receiver, fearless across the middle, right? I mean, look, not picking on guys that play outside, but when you're in the slot, Julian will tell you, you got linebackers in there, right?

You got Ray Lewis, the bike linebacker. You got safeties, right? Because you're going down the middle of the field, it takes a special guy. And you really got to understand defenses right you have to understand the difference between cover two cover two man cover four cover eight right and because of you know brady and you know the quarterbacks are trying to fuse the defenses lining up in one defense on the snap rotating to a different defense the receiver has to see that on the run nobody did

that better than julian well you got to have like he said you guys got to have the same you got to be on such a same page where what you're doing you know he wants you to do that and he's got to trust you because that's where it's got to be and that comes with through repetition like he said in the offseason learning guys body mechanics but speaking of last question, I've gotten you on my podcast. I've gotten Eli on my podcast. Can you, can you put a word into Tom to get him to come on my own goddamn podcast? Cause I know you guys, I mean, I'll, I'll try, you know, I mean, uh, you know, didn't, uh, that's a big, that's, I mean, that's a big ask.

I mean, it's a big ask. I feel like, you know, it needs to be more than just kind of a simple text, Joey. I mean, you got to maybe send him something. What do you send a man that has everything? What the fuck else can you give him? He's got a model wife. He's got seven Super Bowls, two different teams. What do I do, Peyton?

I don't know how to do this. Tell me about it. I write him. He retires the first time. I ask for his address. I'm like, I'm not going to just text you. what do i do payton i don't know how to do this tell me about it i write him i he you know he retires the first time i asked for his address i'm like i'm not gonna just text you congrats on this incredible career i let him this you know eloquent i it's probably self-serving but hand written letter cursive writing on my stationary mail it bottle of wine right mail it congratulations what kind of how expensive a wine

are we talking what do you get tom brady as a wine i mean a 1999 bottle right he's rubbing a uh yeah 1999 bottle and he's right here no 2000 he was 199th pick what year was he drafted uh 2000 100 199th pick right 2000 bottle the point is, when you come back and play, I should get the letter back and the line back. No. No. Tom, Tom's just keeping it, right? I mean, supposedly he reads the letter often just to see the nice things that I said about.

I'm like, hey, if he expects another letter whenever he retires in 2032, he's mistaken. It's like a destination wedding if it doesn't work out i want my money back for the flight that's what i say it seems fair it seems yeah it seemed like too much to ask for i mean peyton manning you see that he called himself the closer with those kind of skill sets to be able to give a handwritten cursive letter a bottle of wine from the year you were drafted. I'm sure he used to close a lot. Thank you, Peyton. Just like Eli.

Eli closed, too. We love... Go Giants. You might slide up, man. This might have to be a 1A, 1B with the Peyton, with the Mannings. You know what I mean? I like it.

I like it. But Peyton, thank you a bunch for coming on. It's been awesome having you. It's been awesome seeing you on TV, on your stream with Monday Night Football. You're fucking killing it on there. Manning cast. Every commercial that I watch, it's awesome seeing you in those two. So, you know, I'm sure I'll be seeing you probably when I get home and throw on my TV.

So I look forward to seeing you. Hey, I appreciate it, Julian. Great to be on with you guys. Love the idea. Love the show. Thanks for having me be a part of it. Thanks, bub. What's the legacy of this game?

Just that Peyton still got it. I mean, he's still got it. And not only has he still got it, he's still the MVP. I mean, this is crazy that he comes out guns blazing like this. Yeah. This is like Eli in the Super Bowl type behavior. Yeah.

You know, that just ruined my train of thought, Sam. Thank you once again. But I am an Eli guy, like I said. When you sit down with a great like Peyton Manning and you interview him, it just reiterates why he was so good. Yeah. I mean, anything from the 3,562 word fucking essay he sent me before the interview yesterday to allow me to have his notes about the game. To the preparation skills that he had, to the relationships he had with his teammates.

You know, those are the intangibles. Those are the things that make great leaders and great leaders great quarterbacks. And he tried to say he didn't have an arm. I mean, this guy was playing with, like, fucking broken nerves and nerve damage like most people wouldn't even be able to walk and he's over here playing in football games so fucking just a gritty guy more gritty than i thought he actually uh i think

i think i put him was there ever a knock on him for not being gritty no i don't think there was but you know you don't you don't think of peyton manning as like a great well you kind of do but you think when someone's such a skill guy sometimes that knocks him down in the grit department no you just think of when you think of them you think of a big brain yeah you just think of you know hey this guy he's gonna get the team in the right plates having a coach on the field just like he said when we were doing the interview he goes hey the best view is the guy on the field not the guy in the press box not the coach on the field not the guy in the press box not the coach on the sideline the guy in the field yeah and and that's why he was so goddamn good

yeah willing willing to riff willing to willing to change uh you know at the line of scrimmage audible audible yeah other seven touchdown passing games we got drew breeze at my new york giants we'll strike that nick falls 2013 against nick foals seven touchdown game nick foals had a very interesting career gosh what manning yeah joe cap sid luckman chicago 1943 first the new york giants he's on the wall jew and he's a jew yeah love it gotta put a point up for the for the squad for the tribe let's settle this prop bets jack what we got we set the line at five and a half right at the buzzer sam got us to six just like eli the type of thing eli would have done in a two-minute drill yeah we had to had to escape a few tackling moments there, too. I threw that Eli compliment right to Plaxico.

No, I think he threw it into that team meeting and it miraculously came down on a helmet or cover five down the sideline in front of people. So, Peyton Manning's current records he is the most mvp awards aaron rogers is one behind with four do you think he'll catch that or no i don't know it's it's gonna be tough aaron rogers lost his best target we're gonna we're gonna see isn't that crazy that he re-signs and they lose his dude? Yeah. When you put that much money towards the quarterback, it's hard to keep other...

That's how it goes. Would you have advised him to take less? I wouldn't have advised him to do anything. It's about him. Yeah. But that's not the Patriot way. What is the Patriot way? You tell me or the Patriot.

I can't tell you because that's the Patriot way, not telling people anything. Damn. It's club is there a fight club i don't i'm not that i know i thought we just making soap over here that's what we're doing yeah i am julian edelman um my alter ego he's my alter comedic ego when i I fight as Edelman, I do a little better. When I tell a joke like Morel, I just look around. What's the record Manny will hold the longest, do you think? It's tough because you got the 17-game season now. Especially with how these offenses are going

yeah you know spread shred there's so many good football players there's a lot of emerging unbelievable young quarterbacks in this league who could touch it mahomes allen who yeah mahomes could get hot alan could get hot you just never know because the game's changed you know what if what is that the payton talks about brady touching all of his records what if what if payton threw You just never know because the game's changed. Peyton talks about Brady touching all of his records. What if Peyton threw for 56? You mean Brady. Why did I say Peyton?

Sorry. What if Brady threw for 56? Oh, he's definitely going to go for it. Yeah. He's got to. He wants them all. Yeah. He's a lion.

Yeah. King of the jungle. Oh, yeah. And I'm like little baby Mufasa or baby Simba when he just raises me. We got to get someone Photoshop that of a Brady holding up a little Julian. Just like that picture of you guys. Fucking Brady. Can we get him on the podcast we get him on the podcast what's going on here uh most touchdowns by a qb receiver duo in nfl history manning and harrison

what's grink gronk and brady oh they need 10 gronk and brady need 10 is gronk gonna play this year i don't know manning harrison they really they really were the connection for so many years. Dude, that little back shoulder fade that I used to watch them run all the time, it was nuts. Where does Peyton Manning land in the QB hierarchy? I think he's no doubt top five, and it's like where do you put him in the top five is the question. What do you think?

I would put him in top three. I think I would too. I think you got to go Brady one. Is it Montana two or Peyton two? What? You're going Montana two, no question, right? I don't know. Kyler, where do you rank him?

Jack, you rank him three? Jack? Manning? Yeah. Four. Who's three? Jack. Dante Culpepper?

He had a cannon. He also was on the Madden cover. I got a wild top five. I think I go three, too. He was incredible. he revolutionized the game like he said in 2000 he was running this no huddle let's get and play two minute quick and that's what all the teams are doing now

I can remember putting those same types of schemes in NASCAR with the Patriots in like 2009 2010 and then we got away from it because it gets hard. You've got to have everyone on the same page. Everyone's got to be smart enough.

And to have a guy that can get everyone on the same page that quick all the time, I mean, everyone's saying Omaha. Everyone's saying all that stuff. Everyone's at the line of scrimmage trying to dick around with the defense because that's what Peyton Manning did. So this is a good one for you. Where do Demarius Thomas, Welker, and Decker stack up against all-time receiving rooms? trying to dick around with the defense because that's what Peyton Manning did. So this is a good one for you. Where do Demarius Thomas, Welker, and Decker stack up against all-time receiving rooms?

I mean, they were good. They were damn good. I'd have to put... They were probably top three, four. Top three? Top four, top three. I don't know the order. I'd have to put on all these films to really watch.

I mean, you got some... I mean, greatest show on turf, Torrey Holt, Isaac Bruce, Ricky Prohl. Yeah. You know, those old 70s Steeler teams. You had Lin Swan, John Stallworth, then Peyton over at freaking the Colts had Marvin Harrison, Reggie Wayne, Dallas clark left off stokely here too

stokely dola gronk and jewels that's pretty good hey man we we don't we didn't get you know we we're not in that that category but we did win in the in the playoffs you sure as hell were two two super bowls that's you know when it mattered you don't have the numbers but you know we have the hardware rings and things out here rings and things this is the greatest offense of all time it's in the it's in the conversation i don't know if it's the best ever uh i think the rams you got to put in that conversation because the running back because of marshall falk i mean falk is without falk i think it's more of a conversation but marshall falk is like unlike anything i've ever seen he could run with

receivers he could he could run around like a receiver he could run like an inside tackle running running back yeah uh yeah it i i have to go with the greatest show on turf or the i'm gonna go with the 07 pats i you know i'm gonna go with the oh seven giants i think eli and plaques had a great connection amani tumor was a great security blanket i mean uh the thunder and lightning combo of ahmad bradshaw and brandon jacobs i think it's it could be any of those groups i personally lean no seven giants we all have our opinions we all have our opinions sam yeah jack did we miss anything we hit our prop bet um we talked a little bit about manning's record versus the patriots he was 6 and 11 all time against brady but did have

the edge in the playoffs three and two wow um which is a bit surprising and we mentioned eli recording that 0.0 in which uh that true. That came in week 14 versus Baltimore, and he was replaced in the fourth quarter by Kurt Warner. That was when Kurt Warner was with the Giants, man. Yep, that one year. We talked about the halftime show of the Harbaugh Bowl. That was Beyonce joined by Destiny's Child. And we mentioned Faxgate a little bit deeper on that.

Elvis Dumerville agreed to take an $8 million contract instead of 12 with Denver, so he was taking a pay cut there. I hope his agent did not commission him on that because he fucked up pretty bad. His agent was running around Miami. He or she? It was a man.

Okay. He was six minutes late getting it in and instead the ravens signed him to a five year contract worth 35 million his agent was fired as you can imagine but also fined 25 000 by the nflpa and suspended for six months so yikes he's a loser there so that sucks um and oh we talked a little bit about the scheduling conflict, which made this game take place in Denver. There was some parking issues. The MLB wouldn't budge.

There was also some religious holiday exemptions down the line that the Orioles cited, but in the long run, the Orioles ended up losing 4-3 to the Blue Jays that night, falling to fourth place in the AL East. I don't know if it's karma or if it's, the Orioles ended up losing 4-3 to the Blue Jays that night. Karma. Falling to fourth place in the AL East. I don't know if it's karma or if it's just the Orioles. I think that's just what happened to the Orioles. But karma too, for sure. Name in the game, is it the Manning 7?

Got to be the Manning 7. I like it because it reminds me of the Magnificent 7 too. It's kind of a fun title. And then you also have the Brady 6. That old documentary where the six guys that were drafted before Brady that made him cry on that one documentary. And he had long hair, long, beautiful hair. And, you know, that made me cry when I saw him cry a little.

Yeah? You know, it fired me up. You're connected, man. Let's score it. Stakes, it's a week one game, so we got to go low on the stakes. Yeah. But it is the team that knocked you out so there's pride at stake there's definitely pride it's it's it's early in the year you're learning your team five five five five

five five star power you got to go pretty high here i think i mean you got peyton manning hall of famer you got dt julius thomas this was a year ago, we're going even bigger because we lose Ray Lewis and Ed Reed. Yeah, they weren't there. But that was a defending Super Bowl team, and you had the elite Joe Flacco on there. Flacco got his ring, man. I'd have to give it to the 7-5. 7-5 is good.

7-5. Gameplay. It's good gameplay because we're watching a guy put on a clinic. Clinic. And it started out a little slow. I mean, they were losing at halftime. The Denver Broncos were losing at halftime. And the Ravens sniff around a little bit toward the end.

So there was a little excitement. There was. We'll give that a 7-5 too. Yeah. As in also. The name, the manning seven seven seven that seems appropriate seven so what is this is a 6.85 and there's no bias here because they knocked us out of the AFC championship or anything.

That's just how it goes sometimes. Just how it goes sometimes. Can't win them all. You certainly cannot. 6.8. Unless you're Eli in the Super Bowl against the Patriots, in which case you can win them all. That is once again true, Sam. That's once again true.

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