Games with Names - The Mo Lewis Game with Rich Eisen | Jets vs. Patriots

Episode Date: September 23, 2025

Rich Eisen is in studio! The legendary sports broadcaster makes his return to The Nuthouse to talk about one of the most infamous games in NFL history: "The Mo Lewis Game" between the Jets and Patriots from the 2001 season. (00:00) We kick things off. (01:55) Rich joins us on the couch. (45:36) We go back to September 2001. (59:13) We get into these teams. (1:10:04) We dive into the game. (1:24:52) We score it. (1:34:19) Julian pulls back the curtain on life as a rookie in the NFL in The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light.   Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Oh, thank God, we beat Team Barstow versus ND alumni. It was the Jets. I would never be able to sleep. My game is when Tom Brady came into the NFL. Rich, we miss anything on this game? Yeah, the significance of it, but other than that. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman.

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Let's go. Games with Names of Names of a production of I-Heart Radio. September 23rd, 2001, Foxborough Stadium, Foxborough, Massachusetts. A massive hit rocks the $100 million quarterback. And in comes Thomas Edward, Patrick, Brady, Jr. This is the Mo Lewis Game. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the Mo Lewis Game,

New England Patriots versus the Jets. On the second week of the 2001, season with legendary. Where's our legendary? We have Rich Eisen in the studio. That's right. Thank you so much. In one sentence, why this game?

Because I did the SportsCenter highlight of this game and I didn't know about it until I redid my Sports Center for the first time in 22 years. They found that out when I was getting ready to do SportsCenter for the first time in 22 years. 22. In support of my show going to Disney Plus, they were like, did you know you did the Tom Brady highlight? of, I'm like, well, there's been many

Tom Brady highlights. Like, what are you talking about? Like, no, when he came in, you know, the moment. And I'm like, get out of here and they found it. And it blew me away. And I figured when you invited me back to be a two-timer, which I guess also means that I do other podcasts and you're upset about it, I'm two-timing you, or am I? No, no.

It means you're coming. You're on the show twice. It's a good thing to be a two-timer here. It's a good thing to be a two-timers. So, yeah, that's why. I'm like, you know what? If I'm coming back, let's choose that. Since many ways, this podcast room is in existence because of a moment like that.

Because of a moment like that, exactly. That might be the best one sentence in a while. That is a good one sentence. I don't talk in one sentence. I mean, you're asking me to edit and it's not good for me. We always have a bet after the guest leaves, who keeps it to one sentence and who doesn't. But if you noticed, I gave you a sentence. I saw that.

And then I expounded. I gave you a paragraph. If you want, I can give you more than that. Not yet. Not yet, Rich. This highlight, was there anything like foreshadowy? Nothing.

Zero. Not like John Madden with the Super Bowl. I watched it back. Again, we popped it on the, if you will, return sports center. We put it on there. And it's, you know, it was big because it was, I believe, the first game back post 9-11. Yep. It was delayed a week.

So it was, you know, the highlight led with the, I think the Andrewsie Brothers. with the flags right and then it was just you know the way that I guess the Jets took the lead and then it was just as simple as like here comes Mo Lewis for true Bledso and of course I made a Michigan reference with Brady just trotting out and they lost the game and it was final score Jets win and that was as simple as that not like well our lives will never be the same

you know like and the NFL will never be the same the Patriots will never be the same pretty much anybody in the organization's lives will never be the same. There's zero point zero indication other than the fact that Bledsoe was significantly hurt. And we all, we all know. So I figured let's choose this. This is a fun game to explore. But before we do, is it the greatest game of all time?

No. Man, the game wasn't. What is? The greatest game of all time? All time. Everyone asks. Like the game of all time? Yeah, any sport, anything? Any sport?

Anything. Jeez, I wasn't prepared for it. this um greatest game of all time i mean for something like that you've got to have something that's unexpected or the stakes have got to be bigger than just a regular season right got to be okay but this the butterfly effect of this game is pretty that's why i chose this because of the butterfly effect wouldn't be this room without it that is you're not wrong it's what i said literally three minutes again okay so you know i heard as an interviewer i learned from a good interviewer once i I heard this guy, Rich Eisen.

Repeat it? No, he said, listen to what the guy says. So I was just trying to bring back to what you said into a follow-up question. I shouldn't push. I'm just trying to be coachable. What you need to do, if I may give you another note. You have to wait longer. You have to wait longer than when I say it.

You can't do it the next three minutes. That makes the person think that you haven't listened to me, but you did listen to me. If you brought it back later on, that's like we can. then call it either a callback or a nice move by you if it's the very last thing we say like you brought it full circle and also you could wind up if there's enough time take credit for yourself that you said it you know that's the way you can handle it but that's honestly we're always learning from you rich jules i'm here for you man i'm here for you 30 40 years of this stuff can i ask you one quick question before we start i'm sorry you tell me i i don't mean to take control but i'm a

control freak um it's difficult for me to be the answer the a of the q and a sometimes but I just went into your, do we call it the Games with Names Restroom? Is that what it is over there? Now, that's for the guests to utilize. You don't utilize it yourself. Not always, no. Okay, great. And by the way, a fantastic array of amenities in there.

You know, breath mint, something. Are they your sponsors? No, okay. Dude Wipes. Dude Wipes. Shout out, shout out. That's, when I saw that, it made me think of this question. Has any games with names, guests, dropped a deuce in there?

Yes. One. Do we know who it is? Yeah, Rob Grunkowski. Gromk? Yeah, before we started doing dudes on dudes, I think he actually took a dump in there. While we were filming, another thing, yeah, he's probably...

Now we have our own show with Gronk that we filmed there. Is that dropping a deuce? With him, with him, it's spiking a deuce. Okay. I think the copy they call it, Gronkies. Oh, my God. Yes, I know. All right, now, I mean, that's...

Now my life is complete that I ask this question and there's an actual answer to it. There was an actual answer. Wow, man. Now, do we know why because it was one of the sixth senses or? In Grong, don't, you know. You do know. You know. Not like Sark's got a camera in there.

No. No. But you just. When that door opens up and he comes out. And he says, I made a boom boom? Nah, he just kind of handles his business goes. Oh, he's got a little more pep in his step. A little more pep in a step.

Got it. Okay, good to know. But you definitely know. I'm sorry. I mean, I just was wondering that. My bad, the floor is yours back again. Well, let's get back to it. you're back with the SPN Plus, the Rich Eisen Show,

being aired on there. But I also saw you calling the game in Brazil. How was that experience? Amazing. And you do these international games all the time, which you're a pro at it. This first time below the equator, not a metaphor for anything.

I've never been to Brazil. I've never been below the equator, never been that close to Antarctica in my life. And, you know, it was wild. 11.5 hour flight down. arrive Thursday morning, do the game Friday night, then fly back right after the game. So over like a 90-hour period,

I spent 22 hours on a plane, never done that before. But just being down there and being in a different environment, different spot. Have you ever been to South Paulo before? I've been to Rio. I haven't been to South Paulo. South Paulo is the largest city I've ever been in my entire life and I grew up in New York and went to college in Chicago.

Yeah. You know, grad school in Chicago. I've never seen anything like it. was sprawling 23 million people like apparently you could take the populations of new york and los angeles and it's all right there i've never seen anything like it and there were football fans everywhere were there everywhere how was the stadium was it mostly it's like a soccer stadium it's like 47,000 so it it it's not an NFL stadium yeah packed out totally oh yeah 100% there were more chiefs fans there than charger fans 100 and i'm sitting there going oh man the chargers gave up a

home game for this and it's chiefs fans everywhere and they came out and hit him in the mouth in the mouth in the mouth and still at that um late stage um mohams almost had a chance to win he almost got the ball back with a chance to win it but i i love calling games and um because everything that i've done in my career is either talking about a game before it in a pregame or after it in a highlight show um so to be able to the one to describe the action in real time and the challenge of living up to the moment and making sure you don't talk too much so everyone at home actually gets a sense of what it's like to be at the game it's like a big puzzle to put together and I love it I'll get bummed every single time a game is over yeah yeah I love it man I can't get enough of it no there's

something about it it's you definitely got to be on your wit in your cues because I'll mess around and do it at my house I've never actually done it but uh I saw your interview recently with Al Michaels, and you asked him, what's a game that you think of that you called? Well, what's a game that you think of that you called? Right. Man, a game that I called that jumps out of me. The one that you're most proud of. Oh. Biggest game, whatever. I'm proud of a, like there was a Chiefs Dolphins game in Frankfurt that was big going in, but really wasn't that scintillating while it was happening. You know, I, there's one that does. doesn't leap out at me. I like the ones I call in the United States because I'm not flying

12 hours and getting used to 15 time zones to call it. But like I said, I just, I love it. I can't get enough of it. And being in these, well, I guess I should, there's one that leaps out at me. It was, it was Brady and the Bucks versus Pete Carroll and the Seahawks in Munich, first game in Munich. And they, both Tom and Pete, and their post game podium said it felt like, a Super Bowl, and it really did. I swear to God. So Frankfurt was the high? No, the high was Munich.

The Munich was the high. And Frankfurt was a different stadium. Munich Stadium is unbelievable. It's quite large. And it's an incredible city with a massive history. And obviously, you know, there's some football fans everywhere. But in Munich particular, that was the most intense football fan where I'm going through the beer gardens the day before and just strolling through it thinking we'll see what football

fans I meet everywhere and it's like the united nations of uniforms they're they're wearing every all 32 teams are wrapped there are fans coming from because it was in germany and i'd never called the game outside of london internationally and germany is geographically closer to africa in the middle east so like hey um i'm serving in kuwait so i came here. Or I was in, you know, I live in Egypt. And this is as close to the NFL's come and I'm coming to the game here. And then you go to the game and there's German speaking fans everywhere. Yeah. So it's not like Americans who are flying out there. Truly is an international scene. And it did feel like a Super Bowl. Certainly with Tom playing in it and his face everywhere

in the city. And the Seahawks come in. It was awesome. It was an incredible game. And of course, in the game you know calling a game it it's it's it's wild trying to expect the unexpected and um you know Brady at one point hands it off to four net who throws it to Tom and none of us saw that one coming at all especially after the Super Bowl oh my god and and the turf was really slick because and that's why a lot of these turfs internationally are an issue uh for some players is because um if you're playing on the soccer surface um it's better for those players to have a slicker turf because the ball slides slides and also they're not used to having 300 pound people having to put their foot down on the ground and plant so they don't care yeah um which is why

the NFL has now for these international games essentially taken over the stadium yeah there's it In Tottenham, the NFL has provided the facility with their turf. So when there's an NFL game, out goes the Tottenham turf. In comes the NFL turf. Now is it grass or is a turf? It's both. They're all hybrids. So they're hybrids now.

And so the one in Brazil, the game last year between the Eagles and the Pat, not great at all. So, you know, the league hears it, and they don't want that to be the issue. So liability. In July, they basically shut the stadium down, brought in this device. They showed me a video of it. It's the size of a pickup truck, but it's like this massive sewing machine on wheels where they would jam these fibers seven feet into the ground

to stitch the stadium together. It's grass on top, but hybrid fibers in. Wow. And the chiefs and the charges went out and they were like pounding the turf with their fists saying this is really hard, but we're going to be able to run real fast. And it wasn't an issue with this game at all.

So the NFL is basically taking, taking, they took over the stadium in July to do it. But I, like I said, I, I love it. Can't get enough of it, want to call more games as much as I possibly can. What was it like working with YouTube? Great. Yeah. Yeah. And, because this is a new, this is a huge splash for just sports media in general. Oh, yeah. This whole YouTube, YouTube TV. They were great. They were great to work with. They hired the NBC sports crew to produce it. They were as a plus professionals as possibly come. The YouTube people were extremely, welcoming and they also wanted to make it their own which meant there were influencers and content

creators all over the place and i'm 56 years old i've never felt older in my entire life you know and just trying to you know oh so you are so and so and you've got 90 million followers and you make 30 million dollars a year oh okay great great nice to meet you yeah you know and they're like and you are and i'm like oh i've been doing this for 30 years and you know how are you my fellow children you know like What's that Steve Bouchemmy? How do you, fellow kids? Yeah, you know, right. How are you fellow kids?

Like, that's how I felt with the backwards ball cap walking in. Watching the broadcast, I thought they were, because they were bringing such a different audience to it, I thought it was really cool. They had the little educational, like,

segments where they would explain the mic and the quarterback and how they got the play communicate. There was a bunch of cool stuff. And then you would see all these influencers, like you said, drawing was on the sidelines. They were all there.

Yeah. And I was, I was busting his chops because he had a YouTube hat on. Yeah. And I'm like, you know, Hey, this is where this way.

No, there was at least, yeah, but it wasn't an NFL logo. It was a YouTube logo. And I'm like, hey, listen, man, you may be new media,

but traditional media take stuff for free too. So I'm glad to see that you're getting at least that part of the traditional media of stuff we all get, a little swag. Although my 12-year-old daughter

tells me that's an old phrase now to swag. Merge. She's making fun of me. I guess that's what it is my wife and I called like let's take you to the swag store of her new school that she's in and she's like oh my god like that's a problem she's in the eye rolling phase right now how old's your kid get nine turning eight turning nine yeah soon so she it's a she right it's your daughter yeah

little little yeah she's starting rolling her eyes at you yet that's a few years from now bud get ready for it it's the dropping off at school we're like dad don't honk yeah you're about to you're suddenly in that zone of about to start embarrassing her oh i already do i i've rolled the window down by a little and she'll like walk and like what are we doing um but yeah so um it was it was great to see the influencer side of things the content creator side of things um got get on the show you know i was like one point of the show rich i trust me i'm i'm already working on getting a lot of uh youtube stars on the program for sure um just for dad points at home but also they're incredibly popular

and you know I was ready to be walking and go you know, the Rich Eisen's show YouTube channel is almost a million followers I'm gonna get this neat little plaque and they're like probably like get out of you with your million

subscribers they're really popular and I thought it was right and I thought the graphics package for the YouTube game was really clean and it looked exactly like you're watching a game on YouTube. It looked different but it also was

It's traditional enough that people aren't going to be like, this is, this is tough to watch or anything like that. And it sounded great, looked great. Couldn't have been happier. Couldn't have been happier. Now, where do you think the future of NFL broadcasting is going to go? How so? What do you mean?

Just like, you see how they're signing players. We're going into streaming. What do you think just the future of it is? Are we going to continue to just go this route? Yeah, I think this is what it is. I think everyone it keeps asking about the international games. I might have talked about it with you when I was a one-timer on this program. program. But I don't think they're playing these games internationally to create international teams

abroad. I just don't think, or even you're hearing, well, we're going to have a pod, we're going to have a division, we're going to expand, and it's going to be four teams playing internationally, and they're going to play each other a lot. When they go on the road, they're going to come the America and have like a four-game road trip. It doesn't work until there's a lot of money. No, I know that, but it just doesn't work competition-wise, but also trying to get a team together. Like, you know, suddenly, hey, guess what? You're now drafted and playing in Munich. You now live in Germany. Or free agents. Like, who wants to go home and say, hey, we can get a boatload of money, but you're going to leave school, you're going to leave home, our beautiful dream home that we

built with my first contract. Let's put it in mothballs. Let's, let's, you know, time share it. Like, it's a very difficult thing, coaching staffs, trying to get coaching staffs to move. It's not going be easy. No. I think what they're trying to do is just create another package of games in a fourth window of action. Yeah. Where, you know, you'll play outside of the Eastern time zone on a Friday, like playing in Brazil, you're only one hour ahead of the Eastern time zone, but you're not going to do that on a Sunday because there's Sunday night football or one o'clock games or what have you, four o'clock games. But you can do it on a Friday. Yeah. And you do it on a Friday that there's a reason why the NFL plays on Fridays for the first week of the season and the day after the Thanksgiving

is because that's outside a high school football season in their, you know, for their, um, for their, um, contract that they basically have with the United States government, for the lack of better phrase, um, for their, for their ability to have, uh, high school to have their day. Yeah, high school has to have their day for the NFL to, to, to have the financial setup that they're, they're allowed to have, um, legally in the United States. Bottom, bottom line is, there are opportunities to play outside of Europe on occasion, but mostly you're going to be playing games in Europe in that fourth early window,

9 a.m. Eastern 6 o'clock Pacific window of football. And I think that's what you're basically going to have. Me and Gronk pitched to Raj, we should do Wednesday night games, and we would do like a streamcast of it. How did that pitch go? It was lukewarm. Now, what are you going with the power point?

Just said, hey, Rod, we think we need. Yeah, we just, oh, hey, dude, we just need a game on Wednesday. We'd love to do it. Do you go to his office to tell him this? We're at a YouTube thing, actually. Oh, Fanatics Fest. Finanics fans. Yeah, 500 people.

Put him on the spot. Oh, yeah, yeah. I'm sure, I'm sure, did he say, come to my office, we'll talk about it? He said he wasn't opposed to it. He said that they had done Wednesday night footballs on Christmas, and during COVID, they had done Wednesday night football. I played on a Wednesday. He seemed like that was enough. Yeah, listen, I've been around Roger Goodell for 22, 23 years now.

That was a no. I think he's fair to soft. No. you got a soft no yeah soft no hard no hard no is just like a hard no is a gtf o h from the hell out of here but you know he told it was him basically saying nice nice to see you you know i'm big fan of your work but um that's a no i'd move on if i were you i think it's that dream but don't take my work you keep i'm not you keep doing man you never say never go never say never no no but i'm the personification that i never thought i'd be back on esPN or

Disney Plus or Sports Center. But you were ready. I was ready. How come you're always ready? You always have like a, like last week you go viral with the wide right, like perfectly put in. Like, do you come up with these things before? I don't know what you're talking about. I mean, the ball went wide right.

So I was describing an extra point that was missed. I would have said wide left. But you said wide right. I mean, because it was right. Rich, I think you kicked it right. I don't know. You just fucking made of it. I don't know what you're talking about.

I don't know what you're saying. Other than the fact that I was describing the action, which is my job when I'm calling a game. It was a great job. Thank you. I appreciate you saying. I heard about people thinking that I met something else, but I mean,

I was just, you went wide, right. It was another field goal. It went in. I said it's right down the middle. So it was a little right. It was right down the middle.

So I said down the middle. And then he made another one. And it was a huge, big field goal before the end of the half. I was like, it's a 50. You know, what a kick by Butker and credible,

like similar to something like that. so yeah how these kickers man they're they're kicking like the who was it boswell who had a 59 60 60s 60 yarder for a game winner like these are nuts it's nuts now and there is granted there are some of these bad kicks a little moody i feel sorry for him oh gosh the kickers right now are just killing it i think they're elite now you're a jets fan grew up a jet fan no more i mean i'm calling their game in London and so I'm I mean I don't I will tell you this man and anybody who knows me knows I am telling the truth I'm here I would give anything right parts of bodies um for a game that comes down to the last minute don't it doesn't matter me who wins I do not care I do not care I swear to

you I don't care but I don't want to hear like oh you're rooting for the jets because you grew up a jet fan or anything like that I don't care they found the Denver Broncos I by the way I adore one of my favorite humans that I've gotten to meet in my 22 plus years in the NFL is Sean Peyton love that guy he's like a rock star oh we can tell you quick Sean Peyton let's hear a Sean Payton story so I've I've known Sean for a while we've done all sorts of fun time fun stuff like at a combine one night three in the morning we're riding mechanical bowls and doing shots and stuff like that I mean and I it was one of the few times where I was concerned about answering the bell for my next day of work the only other person in the

NFL has gotten me drunker than Sean Payton did that night is Steve Bashati of the Baltimore Ravens, who invited the entire crew from NFL network onto his yacht before a Thursday night football game, before the hard ball game on Thanksgiving. You know what they're trying to do. They're trying to get the media

going their way. They got rich. One hundred percent. And he had us on board and he was serving this great red wine, but the entire crew, entire crew of NFL Networks invited because it was the Thanksgiving night before Thanksgiving before the Thanksgiving game and we were doing a 9 a.m. Eastern at the stadium pregame show,

and he just wouldn't let me leave the boat. Mayock wouldn't let leave the boat. Who else wouldn't leave? He wouldn't let people leave the boat. Then he busted out cigars. I'm not a cigar smoker. I inhaled a couple of times. I got sick to my friggin' stomach. I was in bad shape. On the boat. On the boat. Woke up the next morning. I'm like, oh my God, big ass problem here. Got a call. I could not. I wasn't going to make the broadcast. Stacey Dales, the number two overall pick and the WNBA draft of the Washington Mystics.

She was part of the crew and she saw I was in deep, dire trouble in the green room. So she's like, I got this. Did you know that if you take a Gatorade and put emergency, you know, that powder into the Gatorade, pound it and eat a banana? Greatest hangover cure ever. Or you can put an Alka Seltzer in there.

Didn't know that? That's what the cramp juice is on the sidelines. By the way, is that way, is that way? You have that all in the bathroom in there? Yeah. Okay, good. So cured my hangover right away, like got up, shot out of a cannon. I'm on the air 20 minutes into the broadcast.

I got a text from Bishadhi saying, how the hell are you doing this right now? See, he's always in such bad shape. But Sean Payton that night in Indianapolis, we're riding the mechanical bowl. We're all good times. So post game of the Super Bowl win in Miami, they win the Super Bowl. They beat Indianapolis. And he comes to the set right out. after the game. And he is so fired up. He is so pumped up. And he sees all of us and he's shaking

hands. Marshall Falk was on our set. And he was Marshall's position coach at San Diego State. Yeah. So he goes way back with him and he sees me and he just slaps my arm so hard, slaps my hand so hard. I got, I think I got a stinger. I did not, I did not feel my entire interview with him. You got a stinger? I don't know what it was. I are. I got through it. I had to shift my microphone to my offhand, I'm lucky that I have, you know, I'm, I'm a, I'm a five tool player. So I, and I did not feel my right arm in the entire interview. The entire interview went right down. It took me 10 minutes to finally get, that's how pumped up he was. Rich eyes hit the blue tent right after. Oh, I didn't go to, if there wasn't a blue tent yet. There wasn't a blue tent yet. Yeah, no. Otherwise,

the independent neurologist would have would have called down to take me off the set. But, but I adore Sean. So if I see him in the Denver Broncos win, That game, great. If the Jets win that game, great. I just wanted to be a one-score game, even overtime. Let's go. Let's go. I'm one overtime.

Who went longer on the bull? Oh, he did. He did. Actually, I don't recall. But I know I got on it, and it was unfortunate. It's all that matters. Julian, listen, I know you can understand this. How many bull riders who are Jewish do you know of?

How many Jewish bull riders are out there? There was this Herschel Edelstein down in Texas. You know what I mean? Like, so, I'm the son of two New York Jews who are never been on either. You know what I mean? Like, it was a mismatch from the start. Jonathan Hockman.

Is that right? Yeah. His Twitter. Did you Google Jewish bull riders? I did. And what comes up? Like, this guy's Twitter. And his handle is at bull riding Jew.

Hey. Hey, shout out. How many? Sometimes you just got to walk through the front door. Just call it what it is. Bull riding Jew, which is kind of weird because I, I think bulls are not kosher. So just not on a Saturday.

You know what I mean? Just not with cheese. No Friday night bull riding for. Is a bull not a kosher? Not with cheese. You couldn't have the bull. You can have the rabbi there. And to bless it?

Yeah. That's how the rabbi. As you're going like this. As you. Does a rabbi ride a bull next to you and it blesses it? Okay. That ain't great. How do we get on this subject?

I like Sean. You guys got to do it again. You guys got to do it again. You got to find a honky tonk in London. I know. I don't know. I don't run it back. We'll be right back after this quick.

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Well, I mean, he's a jet originally. A Bill Parcell's draft choice. So he's been there when the Jets, uh had a page turn that worked um and then you know listen obviously the the iron rogers tenure was over um Rogers as you know has a big problem in the way it was communicated to him but i don't mind them saying listen there's one Aaron here and we want the voice that everyone he follows be a coach not the quarterback and the coach is going to set his standard and um so we're going to move in a different direction to use the football phrase makes sense um

I love the fact that they paid both Garrett Wilson and Sauce Gardner. It's not like you're not going to keep them. It's not like you don't know who you already have in those players. So you sign them early. You saw what happens with Dallas when you sometimes sign people late. It gets more expensive or it can go sideways. Cross the line. Right.

So I like the fact that they drafted again to hit the offensive line. Tackles. Right. So they made the right bets. I just, you know, you never know if it's the right. And Justin Fields, you know, you're going to get in the era of paying quarterbacks who have never won a Super Bowl or sometimes never want a playoff game

or sometimes haven't even made the playoffs. You're paying some of these guys $50 million a year based on past performance without the playoff appearances and or wins or rings. And injuries. So you're going to somebody, right,

you're paying somebody $20 million a year to give it a whirl and it's not like he's 32. He's 26. You're giving him an opportunity to prove that he's a two-way threat. at a level that can be supported by a coaching staff and a management team that believes in him, which I don't think he's really ever had. And see how it goes in one game in, as of this taping.

He looked pretty damn sharp. That was the best I ever seen Jessumfield's look. So let's see where it can go. I mean, these are good bets, good moves to make. And I just don't know if it'll work out. I don't know if it'll work out. but the off-season and through week one, granted, it's week one. Yes.

It's been very quiet over in New York. As opposed to previous years. As opposed to previous years, which is a good thing. There's no distractions. They look like they had an identity. They look like a competent football team. That's tough playing against a team like Pittsburgh who has the identity that they have, who has the continuity that they have, and go out and losing the way they did.

I thought that was the best loss in week one. Where do you hang that banner? Where does that banner go? Right now. You know about hanging banners. So I ask you, where does that banner? Best week one loss of the 2025 season. Let's raise that shit.

Yeah, but it's new coaching staff. There's a new attitude. The defense is going to get better. It's week one. I agree, obviously. They have a lot of good football players. They've drafted in the first round high a lot. they have a talented roster.

But you're going against a very veteran Steelers team that added Jalen Ramsey and got something going. They got something going. We'll see how Rogers performs here on out. But his first four touchdown game since his last MVP season is

a great way for him to start too. It was a great way for him to start. It was a fun game. Since I've retired, that week one was probably the most exciting week one that I can remember since I've been in the TV game. Dude, that Sunday night game. Sunday night game.

Atlanta. Tampa was insane. Sneaky good game, Seattle 49ers. The Monday nighter with the Vikings and the Bears too. Really good. I know. It was a great week of football. I agree. And it's just something that we were all waiting for.

And it's great. I'm so fortunate to be, you know, in the middle of the NFL world and have different platforms on which to talk about it in different ways to meet with fans and talk with fans about it. And, you know, this is season 23 for me with NFL Network. Season 12 covering the NFL through my show. It's pretty cool, man. I'm really blessed when it comes to that.

We're blessed to have you because you broadcast it like you're one of the goats. You can't stick around in this business for as long as you have and not be good. Thank you. You know, the good stuff goes. watch me in about a couple more years and then you'll see I'll fade away No you'll be like a fine wine bro There we go

I got you But can you explain to us how the ESPN Reunitement came about Sure yeah I mean so my show Roku I thought Was on Roku channel

And I love those folks at Roku They are really great And they initially Approached me from my show Three years ago Because they were rightfully You know indignant that direct tv was known as the place if you're a sports fan to to go to if you want to see

anything in sports like anything um and they were indignant about it because roku is the main place to go to stream television and they had every sporting event too but people didn't kind of know about it streaming is still back i guess even three years ago um something of a question mark for fans Do we really want to do that? Do we really want to cut a cord? Do we really not want to have a dish on the roof? Do we really want to go and depend on my internet connection for sports? And the answer is yes, yes.

And you don't want to, you don't want anything on your roof anymore. Let's go ahead and just use your internet connection and watch sports. And so Roku came to me and said, you know, we want you to be sort of a drumbeat of sports every day talking about sports on our platform on a Roku channel and bring sports fans in. and you know and if you're simulcast on the radio just do us a favor and you know mention our name a few times like done i see it i understand like i planted a flag for an afl network my show was the first um on the fast channels uh on peacock with dan patrick um and you know my show was born on direct tv after dan patrick so i understand what it takes to try and brand yourself and brand your partner at the same time and it was incredible with roku just awesome um and if If it wasn't an opportunity for ESPN to say, let's get back together again, I'd still be on the Roku channel and that platform. I mean, Roku channel's the fifth most streamed channel

or entity in streaming right now. And so- You didn't know that. It's the truth. Bet you didn't know that. So for me to leave it, it's got to be a damn good reason for it or part ways with them.

Again, I don't want to ever term it that I left them or even though I just termed it that way. It just one of those things that I just, could not refuse the opportunity. And so because my show is on radio and also on TV, right, that I didn't, a few, two years ago,

my radio rights were up, ESPN, we knocked on their door, they were interested, but they're like, listen, just doing it for radio is one thing. We want it when you have all of your rights up. And so when that was happening, we reached out to ESPN to say, you know, do you mean what you said? Yeah.

And they meant what they said. And I remember, you know, having a meeting with Jimmy Pitaro, who is the major domo at ESPN and everything ESPN, that, you know, he basically said that he wanted me back with ESPN and wanted the show. And I got all, you know, misty about it. And because I never thought the head of ESPN would ever say those words to me again after, you know, getting a cardboard box 22 years ago this past summer. So to bring my show in an arrangement where they license the program and I produce it and they are supportive in every possible way that you would think the platform will be supportive from social media to promotion to everything else to the radio side of things as well.

And then so I'm kind of planting a flag right now for Disney Plus where. is a daily drumbeat of sports there because, I mean, if I had to guess, their plan is to put more and more live sports on Disney Plus. And so... You get the trio package. Right.

And so, and you know, my show is, I consider my show a pop culture show more than, you know, just a sports show because we have celebrities on and talking movies and TV shows and things of that nature. And so for Disney Plus to have certain, you know, like priorities,

they, you know, where they're, on-air actors, actresses, or whomever, you know, for them to fit in an ESPN show would be like, you know, them showing up on SportsCenter for five minutes or maybe if they're a sports fan show up on college game day to pick games or whatever. This is sort of a sit-down, 20-minute conversation to promote whatever show they want to promote, whether it's on Hulu, Disney Plus, or the Disney world. So I guess I kind of fit on Disney Plus. For me, it's like

a dream where you see my show and my face and the the logo of the show over Pixar, Marvel, Star Wars. There's some big brands there, Bub? Dude, it's one of those things where I bring my kids in the room. I never really do this. I'm like, how do you like me now?

And they're like, not so much, dad, shut up. Like, can I stay up another hour? Like, that's one of those women. So I think the most satisfaction you get is when your kid thinks you're a little cool? That's the, that is pretty cool. But in all honesty, the best satisfaction that I'm getting is the crew, like your crew that you have. Like obviously, you guys have been together now. I've been seeing it my two times now.

Yeah. Two time. Two time. My crew stuck with me through, you know, getting our walking papers from DirecTV and AT&T through a pandemic, through everything and the fact that I told them, you know, like stick with the program and we're going to get it to where it needs to be. Never did I think it would wind up, you know, on Disney Plus and ESPN and ESPN and all of that, that they've stuck with the ride and the show and believed in it. I don't need to tell you, like, I'm sure you're, obviously your MVP trophy is somewhere in this

house. I'm sure a ring is somewhere in this house, but the thing you're most proud of is the team that you're part of, right? Definitely. And you're going to see these guys, the rest of your lives, without it. And that's the beauty of it. It lives forever in that respect. It's the same thing when you're putting a broadcast together. We've been together. We're drama free. No one's an asshole. We're great to each other and with each other and for each other. And that's the thing that I love, like every day that we're doing this, you know, and that they're getting opportunities on their own as well through this partnership that's only as of this taping

about eight days old. We're seeing it already. It's pretty cool, man. It is very cool. And we're all very lucky to have you back. Thanks, pal. You know, where you started, but also in your own manner.

It's still the Rich Eisen Show, okay? Disney's just licensing it. I know. It's still the world. rich eyes and show. But I appreciate you saying that. And I do want to, we love that. I want, I kind of want to cape for my new partners, uh, in that respect. Because ESPN gets a lot of grief for changing things that they buy. Yeah. Right. Unfairly. Um, I think. Like, for instance, the commercial free aspect of, uh, Red Zone. Not watching it. Come on, man. What the hell.

Right. And now there are, now there are commercials and I'm seeing, I'm seeing, I'm seeing, I'm seeing all of these social media posts and articles, right? Or like, well, that's ESPN screwing up something good. I didn't even know this commercial. The ESPN doesn't even own it. They will never own it. They will have the right to distribute it. The NFL is still producing it.

And part of the reason why the NFL will always produce Red Zone is because I don't think other partners of the NFL, like say Fox and CBS, who pay a poop ton of money for this sort of stuff. They don't want anybody else who they compete with producing their game presentation in any way, shape, or form. So the NFL is producing it and will always produce it, which is why I think Scott Hansen may wind up being the last NFL media employee that ever exists because ESPN may buy NFL network at some point. They're supposed to. I thought they did. But the deal is not complete until there's government approval and T's are crossed and eyes are dotted and that's apparently not happening until next year.

So ESPN's getting all sorts of, well, as soon as ESPN buys the red zone, which they didn't, they bought the rights to distribute it. And as soon as they get the red zone, suddenly their commercials on it, they don't have anything to, they don't even own the production. And they don't own the distribution yet. So they get crap for that. And then I don't understand how ESPN gets the rep that they've changed things, all right, on stuff that they acquire

when Pat's show but that's the first time you haven't well then Pat's led the way he's kind of led the way you know what I mean I'm not gonna lie but so everyone's like ESPN changes things and Pat he has led the way is Pat's program oh yeah

like you can't watch that show and say oh he's being censored no ever you know and so they haven't said to me a thing yet at all and I don't expect it, you know, because, first of all, it's in a contract and Pat has the same thing. Look at what he's doing. So I think when inside the NBA comes and I know that Barclay's out there saying

we haven't been told anything yet, and so I don't know what he's been told or not. Personally, I think they're acquiring it. The way it is. Yeah. Like you guys do you. And let them do their thing. Like the way that, like, how crazy would it be to buy the rights to broadcast inside

the NBA and tell me. yeah, will you do it? Let's, we have a couple tips for you, you know, or, you know, hey, listen, we know that you're used to going for an extra 15 minutes right now, but, man, we got to get it to. Everyone's expecting they're going to tell Barclay, you're not going on the air for another 15, 20 minutes because we have to get it to Sports Center. I don't know. I would be kind of surprised based on the way they deal with me, based on what I see what they do with Pat. Yeah. You know?

I think they're going to let, I mean, I think they've changed. They shifted in that. Well, they're requiring stuff that I'm obviously acquiring the distribution rights to my show. I think they're smart.

But they're making some smart plays here, man. The WWE. Getting all those PLEs. Without a doubt. You know, MLB, they're getting some, you know,

rights in a certain way that they've never had before with them. The NFL network. I mean, which, again, I don't think. I work for Fox.

I understand. No, but Fox. Fox. and Disney are, I can't be, can't be buffing them too much. No, my bosses will start getting mad at me. Excuse me, excuse me. Bosses will start getting mad.

Hold on a second. I didn't say anything. Uncle Terry will be coming out of here. This guy. It wasn't me, Shanks. Listen, Shanks and Jimmy Patero are bundling products together. You can, you can bundle Fox's direct-to-consumer with ESPN's direct-to-consumer because everyone knows, like this will raise all boats.

And so, you know. Like a Steve Boshetti boat? Not that, not that one. I'm just making sure. Just that one. That's called a callback. I already. Call back.

Let's see what you said. Look at you. Coachable. You're so coachable. Oh, Jules. Oh, my God. Before we get into the game, sure. I love that you said you're not just a sports show.

You're a pop culture show. You've had some of the best celebrities on. Who's the one that surprised you the most? What celebrities surprised you the most that knew the most ball that you thought, they don't know ball? Wow. Who knew the most ball? whatever ball it was great question i talked uh fantasy football with jody foster for five minutes

wow wow that was cool um so cool that was unexpected to say the least where uh jody foster um extolling the virtues of jordy nelson for a few minutes was something i did not see coming um that was great um man who loves ball too stone street loves ball my god he does and he knows ball and he knows ball he wowed us he oh he is he's diehard photographic memory but i wasn't surprised by that i don't that that's a good one um who else knows ball sometimes though they could know ball and i don't talk with them about it because i want to know more about their tv and movies and stuff stuff like that you know what i mean yeah some celebs come on and they they love talking sports because they don't get an opportunity when they're on their promo tour talking about sports

but then on the back end of it some celebrities are concerned about coming on because they feel like I'm going to quiz them on a 4-3 defense and expose them for not being sports fans and I will never do that like ever but what would the quiz question be of the 4-3 defense? I don't know

I just used that as a specific thing I don't have no idea but do I know football I have no idea but yeah I but I just love talking movies and TV shows and you know your analogies are awesome too when you analog I try.

Like I love his analogies when you'll bring in like a TV movie or something. Yeah, trying to. Yeah, trying to just bring, bring some sort of. And that was why, you know, I love doing sports center. You're throwing a pop culture reference here and there. Sneak it in. And, you know, just love going down a wormhole of TV and movies.

And when the show first started, you know, a lot of pushback came from the radio side. things where they wanted me to talk more sports. And I just stuck to my guns, man. I'm like, this is good. This is the way it can work. We can do both. It's three hours a day. My God, there's enough real estate.

No, and you do a great job. Thanks, pal. Let's jump into the next segment where we go back into time. Let's go. Around where the game took place. This game took place September 23rd, 2001. And we go over pop culture. There it is.

The Musketeer. Who isn't that? Who isn't the Musketeer? That was Tim Roth. Number one movie, Musketeer? Let me see. Yeah, it was kind of a forgettable take on the three musketeers. Okay.

Fallen was incredible by Alicia Keys. Yep. Around this time, American Pie 2 came out, Shrek 1. The Fast and Furious were all popping off. I wanted a little, like, lowered Honda after I went into that when I was like, I think I was like ninth grade. Okay. Noss in there.

Sopra. Can I, can I reveal something on your program? Yeah. Never seen any Fast and Furious movies. You've never seen a Fast and Furious? Not one. not a single one. You're not missing a whole lot.

I don't begrudge people. I don't begrudge people who like being fast or furious. I've never seen one of them. But Band of Brothers is an outstanding HBO show. All-timers. All-timer. Kurt Warner was the MVP.

How's it calling games with them? I love it. Yeah. Kurt's awesome. He's an underrated red ass. Underrated. Red ass. Yeah, yeah.

Like he's bad football pisses him off just like Peyton Manning. Yeah. Bad football. Isn't like bad football. can't stand when we're on game day morning and stuff like, you know, do the chiefs have the most complete team they've ever had?

And he's just like, like, what the hell does that mean? He hates making, forcing to make predictions 16 weeks early. I hate that too. You know, I can't stand it. Real football guys don't like it. Yeah, look at the Heisman winner, Eric Crouch. Eric Crouch from Nebraska.

Okay, yeah, I remember that. Oh, NFL uses replacement reps in week one. I forgot that. Did they use it this year? Yes. Because I remember they did it in 2012 with us and it was awful. This was a replacement year. Well, that was the Fail Mary year, wasn't it?

That was the end of that. I got an OPI on that with those guys. The Fail Mary ended the situation that was going down. I was like, that was enough. Are we still not full-time employees, though? I think some of them are. It's a good question. Fail Mary, we did that game with Adam Ray, as you remember.

I remember that. Arizona Diamondbacks with freaking Randy Johnson on there. I remember. I was there. I was there. Lewis Gonzalez. Oh, my. My God, I covered it for ESPN radio.

How was that? As a Yankee fan, it sucked. Yeah. I mean, but I was there. I remember that World Series, 2001, obviously, after 9-11, and they're, you know, in Bank One ballpark in Arizona. And they were saying right before the World Series that they would divert some aircraft because of, you know, the jitters that we were all having in October of 2001. And that was in the flight path of the airport. And they didn't do it.

And planes were flying overhead and we're like, really? And then game two, they flew me back early because they had to do the in-between games two and three sports center hits. So they flew me back with our guest analyst at the time, Buck Showalter. Oh, wow. It would not only help build the Yankees that went on to go be dynastic without him and Joe Torrey. but he was the one who was the initial manager of the Arizona Diamondbacks and helped design Bank One Ballpark. He was telling me a story about how he was running the periphery of the field one day.

And he's on the dirt going from home plate to right field before he went around the warning track and kept making circles. And we noticed something wrong with the foul poles. He's like, what the hell's going on? Something's weird. And then he was the second run around. He realized what it was. they had planted the foul poles in Bank One ballpark

with the mesh on the outside in foul territory. You need to have them inside. So if it hits the mesh, you know it's a fair ball. So he called somebody up going, we got to get the cranes back in here. They had to lift them up, twist them, and put them back in the ground. So this was a guy who had helped build the ballpark

and both teams, and now they're playing each other in the World Series without him. And it was a tough one for him. But he was a really good dude. I loved working with him, and game three was the one where George Bush Jr., our president, through the first pitch, and there were snipers on the roof and frigging Apache helicopters and the four train going past and in right field. And it was wild in that ballpark, nerves jangling. But when W came out and threw that first pitch strike, him standing on the mound. I'll never forget that.

We're recording this on 9-11, actually. Yeah, that's crazy. So this was, this was, wow, I'm telling the story right now, um, that I'll never forget him standing on that mound in his bulletproof vest, basically telling everybody, you, you know, this may be a big fat target, this country and soft targets like this and you may hate our culture, but I'm the president in the United States and I'm standing on this mound right now. And I am, I am here.

and watch me throw this first pitch and he threw a bullet for a strike. Place went nuts. I will never forget that in my entire life. I'm getting goosebumps just thinking about it. That was the World Series also. I know this is a game with names for football, but that was the one where Derek Jeter hit his first,

it was Mr. November because of the lateness of the World Series because things were delayed due to 9-11. He was the first guy to Homer in November because the game went into extras. beyond midnight, and I was in Yankee Stadium underneath the stadium in the tunnels to get out to the field. There were only two of them because it was the old Yankee Stadium. Okay?

So you had to stand and all of the rights holders and media members had to line up in a tunnel to get out on the field. and it was Fox first because they had the World Series TV rights ESPN Radio second we had the radio rights and everybody else in a pecking order behind me

because I was the ESPN Radio interviewer post game and so with each passing moment as that game went into extra innings depending on who was going to win we had to be in the dugout of the winning team

because the losing team had to use that dugout as the egress from the field back to their their clubhouse. So we had to guess which team was winning and which was not. If you recall, Bion Young Kim had blown a lead in the ninth. So we were lined up in the Cardinals and the Cardinal, the Arizona Diamondbacks tunnel. Then I think it was Tino at the home run to tie it or it could have been Matsui at a home run or somebody had a home run to tie it.

And we went running from the Diamondbacks. tunnel all the way through to the Yankee tunnel to line up there and went back and forth with each half inning that was going and it looked like I know I'm dating myself something called the Benny Hill Show where we would run you know like run and it looked like you know nurses because there were EMT officials that had to go with each one camera operators boom mics people in suits and ties running from one thing to another so we're lined up in the Yankee tunnel and we could not see anything and our ears that were picking up the broadcast we couldn't hear anything because we were in this tunnel that was built in like 1920 something yeah and i remember though i was positioned

in the one spot of the lineup that there was a door mouth of uh of what i think like babe ruth's fluffer back in 1924 or whatever would be sitting in i have no idea it was a small room and there was this little television that had it on and jeter was at the plate and all of a sudden I watched, you know, the camera widened out. And I thought, oh, my God, is that a home run? And then I knew it was a home run when I heard the stadium go nuts and shake and people screaming, games over, Jeter Homer, go, go, go. And people were pushing me and we suddenly got spat out in the stadium.

I'm getting goosebumps just as I'm a Yankee fan from New York City. I get emotional. But this moment, like, Jeter rounding third coming home and I look up and I see the entire stadium, 55,000 people going ape shit. And that was that game. And then it goes back to Arizona, flew back there in this game seven. I'll never forget it. I was sitting in the stands with my future wife because she was covering it.

Susie was covering it for Fox Sportsnet. Shout out Susie. And shout out Susie. So I'm sitting with her in the eighth inning behind home plate. And Mariano Rivera was coming out for a two out save to win the World Series. And he mowed them down in the eighth inning. Mowed him down after Soriano gave him a lead in the top of the eighth. And he mowed them down and we were in the wives section of the diamond backs.

They were crying because they knew this thing was over. And then the ninth inning hit. And it was not over. It was not over. And I will never forget that. And the ultimate, ultimate kick in the dick of that thing for me. Because I covered, you know, I was straight up fine covering all of this stuff. But as a Yankee fan, I went into their lock.

locker room after the game. There's Steinbrenner, his white dicky and the Yankees role kind of, you know, like depressed or whatever. I found out that a New York Yankee handed a baseball to my at the time fiance, soon to be future wife, with his phone number on it. Smart move. And I'm like, smart move. Which guy? I can't say. Well, hopefully it wasn't Mr. No, Mr. Giffbasket. Hopefully it wasn't Mr. Giffbasket. No, because excuse me, Jeter's a lot more than that, or at least he was at the time. I had no idea I would be telling my stories of the 19, of the 2001 World Series. But that's from my ESPN 1.0 years.

I covered the World Series from 97 on site all the way through to the Angels and Giants in 2002. Could have got one of the gift bags. No, it wasn't him. It wasn't him, but it was someone on the infield. It might have been like this one bit. Is somebody on the infield? Do you think the gift bag had a Mr. November signed ball in it? It wasn't him.

Oh, okay. All right, Jackie, let's jump into the game. Here we go. Oh, man. How about these 2001 Patriots? You'd expect those stories from me, didn't you? That's why we do this. That's why we do this.

That's why we do this. Because you never know what you pop it up there. You never know where you're going. Man. Never know where you're going. It is that. So what do we got here? Man.

Should we get in these 01 paths real quick? Let's go into it. Second year of the Belich era. Looking to improve on a 5 and 11 season from the year prior. Big news in the offseason, March 1st, made Drew Bledsoe $100 million. Yeah, man. Ten year contract.

We end up going 11 in 5. Win the AFC East. We got to talk about some of these guys on this team. Gritty defense, a lot of vets, a lot of cast-off type cats. You got your J.R. Redmonds of the world. Patrick Passes, Wiggy, Troy Brown, David Givens, notable rookies, some Patriots Legends, Hall of Famer, Richard Seymour.

friend of the show, Matt Light. I love Matt Light. This was a heck of a team. Seymour. Tyloor. Matt Light was one of the early favorites of NFL Network. He was a go-to guy, man. Just a delight.

The funniest guy. Frankster, Brankster. I love that guy. He's our highest few episode. Purdue, man, going through and through. What were your thought of these Pats this year before you called? Oh, this year? Yeah.

I mean... 20-0-1. Listen, like, good luck to him. You know, obviously... You know, who knew? Nobody knew. Like, good luck to him. Bledso was the $100 million man.

And Belichick was, you know, in year two coming from, obviously, they bounced Pete Carroll a couple years before for a guy that, you know, was Parcell's guy who had some run in Cleveland, but was also known for doing it things his way. And then it wound up being the highway, you know. so nobody knew that Richard Seymour was going to be a Hall of Fame or Bruske was going to be such a heart and soul or your guy Vrabs right there

would be but McGinnis obviously was a guy that we knew was a significant threat on defense you know but absolutely nobody saw Tom Brady coming although from what I've heard

of all the stories is that Brady had the better summer that's what have you heard that story or not that he was then training camp he was showing some stuff that like that he was they were saying that he they said he started as third and then he got put into the backup but clearly they're not going to allow or you can't his second year guy six round pick 109th overall so good he's going to take the job from the guy that we just gave a nine figure contract to like that was not without a doubt no which is why when when belichick did stick with brady that took some serious church bells man

That was, that's crazy. I think about that a lot. Ernie Adams tells us before the Super Bowl, because there was the Bill, the Drew Bedssoe controversy, right? Yeah, because Bledsoe came in and had to wrap up the AFC championship. It's Steelers.

Ernie said that they, which is, by the way, a very Gieland Hertz to a situation from college football years later, you know? Very. Ernie said they didn't think about it twice. They knew Tom was the guy in the Super Bowl, not a question. Oh.

So that was all the media story about going to the Super Bowl, whether Drew was going to play or whatnot and all that. But it still takes some Cajonas. Oh, absolutely. To do that. Well, like certainly, when you thought you've done it once already to say we're sticking with Tom not going back to Bledsoe and that was tough enough and enough of an issue to be discussed that you've turned

a page from that you then had to do it again. Yeah. You know, that you then had to reassert could not have been easy. Certainly when another guy was hurt. But for Bledsoe to basically like, yeah, a hundred million dollar contract lost my job. Now I'm going to come in. I'm going to be Pittsburgh in the AFC championship game when pressed into service, unreal. Unreal. That was huge. Really unbelievable. We got an, and we, it's worth noting here, started one in three, one eight of the last

10. We know how the season ended, but slow start and you can still win a Super Bowl. Like you guys did that one year, Jules. We did. We started one in three in, I believe, 18 or 16. Let's jump under the Jets, Jackie. Let's get into these Jets here real quick. First year of the Herm Edwards era.

Say it with me, Jules. you play to win the game. Coming off that Algrove bridge year, kind of people forget that one between Parcells. For good reason. But what I do... Moving on, moving on. It's not part of the game.

That's not part of the names that we're gaming. This is true. Okay. But there is one great game with a name that season, the Monday Night Miracle. That's right. I just talked about that without Michael's on my show. The fact that Arnold was in the booth...

Saying that Wayne Kripet's going to do something later on and it was 31-7 at the time. whatever yeah i just brought that up with al he was on my show this past monday coming off because i it was the day after the bills and the ravens played that insane sunday night i were referring to earlier in the show here um that i asked him like what what game from your career was like out of nowhere big huge comeback whole country watching that stands out to you it's just like the bills and ravens and he mentioned that miracle at the meadowlands which by the way was uh the off night in between games two and three

of the Mets Yankees Subway series. Wow. You know? New York was popping. But that was the 2000 season. I don't think the miracle that the Meadowlands was this year,

to be honest. Unless that was the Algros season. It was the year prior. That was the one bright spot that was not forgetable that year. Yeah, but I'll never forget that because that was the subway series and I was covering that World Series as well.

And a lot of people are like, what are we going to do in between games two and three when there's no travel day? It's just like, oh, there's a, Monday night or let's go check it out I wasn't there but we went to some like club and watched it there unbelievable but yeah I mean Herm being brought in and you could see him wearing that I think that's an FDNY hat coming on out there on that day and you know and him needing to you know at the time you know to be very honest with you certainly coming off the year before the big Jets rival was

um the dolphins right but this was the beginning of the of the jets patriots rivalry as we currently know it because of the cocktail napkin that bill bellichick signed resigning as the hc of the nyj and the jets had already taken curtis martin from new england and you know figurative shots had been fired there um and you know of course the jets are the ones who helped usher in the watershed moment for the other part of the franchise rivalry. Yeah, man. I mean, Mo Lewis blew up Drew Bloodsoe in this game, and nobody knew how serious it was.

I mean, it was really serious. Oh, my God. Now, I got one question. What is it like being a Jets fan? Can I answer this question with the, what is it like being an asshole? What? I just really want to know.

What does that mean? Like, you haven't had a front row seat? Come on. You haven't had a front row seat. Been retired. I was only on the East Coast for 12 years. Come on, Jules. Does it like being a jet fan?

I mean, yeah, it's tough. Like, what else, like, name something that's tough in your life. I know things have been really good for you, but, I mean, it's not easy. It's, you're like wondering, like, what happened to piss off the football gods so significantly that there's a nards kicking that's an annual thing for the football gods. and you know, and sometimes they come in light forms like, you know, Elijah Vera Tucker having a triceps injury and a practice before week one of a season that knocks them out for the entire of the season just to be most recent or having all eggs put in a very exciting

Aaron Rogers basket only to have an Achilles pop five snaps into his tenure. I mean, I could go on and on. It's not great. He did have name it, though. Well, I mean, that was the year I was born and I'm 56 years old. You did have name it. That'll go down forever. I know, I know, but you're supposed to update things, you know?

Things are supposed to improve over the span of, say, half a century. But I don't know. I mean... Times are looking good. It was a good loss. Jack, let's get into the game. Before we get into the game, we got a shout out of these Jets guys. We love talking dudes over here.

Curtis Martin, Hall of Famer, Kevin Mawey, Hall of Famer. Vinnie Testa Verdi? Yes. Huge briefcase. Yeah, he brought a huge briefcase to work all every day. Laverneas, Cole, James Ferry. I mean, this was a gritty tough chess team. You know, the year of the Jets team.

That's made the AFC championship game. We went over their game. Oh, I thought you're talking about the Barkscott. Yeah. They went over, they made the AFC championship game with Parcells. It was my second year on Sports Center. So I went to Denver for that AFC championship game and sat into the second to the last row of Mile High Stadium with my Camp Lo Konda, Wesley Walker, New York Jets jersey that I had when I was a kid that still fit me when I was a 34-year-old man. And I was very, very proud of myself.

or actually it was 27 at the time. So I was very proud of myself. And I went there and I watched two Bill Parcell's guys and Dave Megget and Keith Byers fumble. One of them was Megget just letting the opening kick off of the second half with the Jets leading at halftime having a very quiet mile high stadium, watched him just let it hit the ground and turn it over. And then the rest was just an awful rest of the afternoon.

The reason why I bring all that up is the next year was supposed to be. yet because they made the AFC championship getting they're bringing everyone back. Bringing them back. Right. And here was that home opener. And it was great. It was awesome.

The field like this could be finally, the Jets your parcels and we made the AFC championship and take a step forward. You know what happened that week? What happened? Vinnie Testerverdi blew out his Achilles. Does this sound familiar to you at all? And do you know who was there the night on the field

before the game when Aaron Rogers took the field as a jet for the first time? You know who was there? Vinny Testa Verdi. Oh, my God. So you were asking him. me what it is to be a jet fan. Do you want to keep revisiting that question? I know I brought it back up and you've moved on

and turned the page, but I clearly have not. What else we want to talk about? Jack, you get us into the game. Shout out with Ernieus Coles, though. Oh my God. And shout out to Vinnie Testifery. Let's get to the part where Mo Lewis blew up the back with a $100 million contract

and changed the history of the NFL. Let's get to that part. Both these teams started 0-1-1. Peyton Manning worked the Jets in Week 1. The Pats dropped it to Centsy and Corey Dillon. The Jets had won previous four meetings in this series. They were on a roll. They were on a roll or less.

Game was postponed due to the 9-11 attacks that we mentioned earlier. Andrew Zee ran out with a flag. Did he brought his Achilles five snaps into the game after carrying a flag on a 9-11 celebration or commemoration? You know, that happened with Aaron Rogers. The little Sammy Sosa flags. What else?

Yeah, that was pretty much it for the lead-up. This is week two, so not a lot of football new play yet. Yeah, not a lot of lead-up. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey, this is Matt Jones. I'm Drew Franklin. This is NFL cover zero. We think NFL coverage should be informative and entertaining.

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They sold that? Yes. At the Colts Stadium. Yeah, might want to go back to the drawing board on that. Yeah. I thought the shape we had with pretzels was working pretty well. Spark for generations. We're just here trying to enjoy it.

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Visit Toyota.com slash NFL now to learn more. Do we hit the game here? And we should. First half, sloppy, greedy, low-scoring. Not the greatest football. Kurt Warner wouldn't like it. Ernie wouldn't like it. Bad football, six punts, two field goals, two Patriot turnovers.

And a little bit of foreshadowing in the second quarter, a tuck rule extended the Jets Drive, Vinnie Testim. Irony, I didn't know that. Tuck rule. Tuck rule in there. Guys, this thing up leads to a Jets field goal. We go into the half three three. By the way, in the same way, this is called the Mo Lewis game for you, right?

It's not called the tuck rule game in New England, is it? What are you talking about? The tuck rule game is the way we all referred to that game. You mean the snow game? Dada boy. Talk to anybody who's from the Patriots fan base or anyone from New England. It's called the snow game. I'm like, hmm, there's been a lot of games with snow.

No, but this is a one where we could refer to many games as the snow game. You mean the venetariat? We've been a lot of games. In New England history, prior to that particular night where there was a tuck rule moment. By the way, appropriately called, I'm not one of those tuck rule truthers. I'm not one of them. I was 100% the rule book. It was so stupid that it was in the rule book, but it was 100% the right thing.

The rule. You know Charles Woodson is one of, I've got a lot of. The fact that it was two Michigan men of all time meeting in that pocket is really ridiculous. But, you know, like in New England's history, that snow game could be the, the one where the guy on work release, used the snow plow. Snowplow, that's called the snow plow game. That's Snow game one.

That's Snow game one. Yeah, Snow game, two. I'm sorry. We did that game. Keep telling your stories. We did that game of Scott Polly, and we are the affirmation show on games with names. We determine what the final score or the name of the game is.

Okay, very good. It is the Snowball game. Is that right? The snow game. Snow bowl game. Snow bowl game. Okay. But everyone else in the New England.

I never heard it. It's called. We are no game. Tuck rule. Doug Ruh. I like Dan Dierdorf, Michigan man calling the game. I didn't know it was Enberg and Deirdoff. Pretty cool.

Pretty good crew calling this bad boy. Yeah, that's right. Into the second half, Patriots start out. We're moving the ball. Drew starts out five for five. But it would end in a Mark Edwards fumble, as would. Another drive later in the game. That would set up the lone touchdown of this game.

Curtis Martin caps off a 12 play, 93-yard drive. Jets go up 10-7. Homer Pat. Curtis, my favorite, Martin. I like it. I like it. Trade punts again in the fourth. I take us to the play. I mean, this happened in the four.

This is at the stage here, baby. 511 left. Almost got out. Almost got out of it without bringing in Brady. Almost got. Almost got out of it. Almost. Five 11 left in the fourth.

Still trailing 10 to 3. Third and 10 on their own 19. So it drops back, rolls right, avoids pressure. Takes off up the sideline right by the sticks. He's almost at the line to gain. collides with Mo Lewis. That hit that we were all here to talk about. If you only slid.

I don't think he saw him. Dude, you'd be living in a one-bedroom apartment somewhere right now. If he slid right now. Maybe. Damn. I'd be in like Venice. Yeah, dude, you'd be in like a, you'd be in like a, you know, like a lean to somewhere. I'd probably be in like a trailer in New Mexico.

We'd have this podcast set up. Look at all this stuff. Do you believe in like the butterfly effect of this game? Or was Tom Brady inevitable? oh i don't know if he was inevitable i believe in the butterfly effect listen i'm i'm having my fun obviously but tom brady is a self-made man okay and you know you are too and it's just opportunities knocking and him bust in the door right down and everybody else around him doing the same for 20 years i mean that's it

Would he have come in, though? I don't know, man. $100 million contract. It's tough. I don't think they were benching bloodso for production issues. You think Bill would have pulled him for, I shouldn't say that. Bill's the one who told Cleveland Bernie Kosar ain't it.

So, and that's part of the reason why. Yeah, but he paid him. That's true. He paid him. He was there for a year, then paid him. Right. So I don't think, I don't think performance issues would have brought Brady in at all.

But again, you look back at that year, it took serious, listen, the stupidest conversation in the 23 years I have been in NFL media is who's more valuable, Brady or Belichick. Who is? Stop it. Stop it. You know, because the bottom line is, well, for the first year of Brady's career was Bill. I mean, Bill's the one who had to sit there. and go, we're sticking with Brady, not once, but twice, twice.

And then it went over to Brady? At some point it did. When? I don't know. I don't know. When you caught one off, ever, are those the marks from the footballs hitting your knees there? No, it's called cupping. Okay.

It's called cupping. I don't know. I mean, honestly, though, I mean, but the marriage between the two of them, like, Belichick needed somebody as great as Tom to be as coachable as Tom, to be an avatar for his ways of doing things as Tom to be as compliant at times as Tom to be the one to take the beating in the film rooms and be able to just say,

fuck it. I'm Tom Brady. I got this. You know, like, and Tom needed to have a coach that put things together in a certain way and surround Tom. And after a while at some point, I'm sure Tom felt you had probably a front row seat for this too where he felt a little bit more independent, needed certain things that made him healthier and happier. I don't know you're talking about.

I know. Okay. I'm surprised not to see any Guerrero products in the men's room here. There is. You got TV 12 stuff? Good. Damn well, you should. Agee, Higee.

Keep liability in here, Aegee. It's a dumb conversation, though, because they needed each other. They had each other. There was never a moment where, you know, they didn't have each other in New England. All good things come to an end. And you can point fingers as to why they came to an end.

But the bottom line is in this year, when this happened, at some point Bledsoe got healthier and was ready to go back and bills the one who said $100 million contract. Hey, Bob Kraft, I know you're paying that out. This is what we're going to do. And to everyone's credit, Brady took advantage of that opportunity. And the thing that we're talking about right now about the chiefs, and it's coming for the chiefs.

it's coming for the chiefs where Mahomes are going to be there and who else is who's going to be his kelsey? You know what I mean? Can he do it the next generation? Correct.

And you were part of the next generation. Which it's harder to do with the next generation because you're already the target. And by the way, it's tough to explain to people of a certain younger age that Gronk was part of the second generation

as well. You know, and so the first generation, three out of four, the fact that three out of five happened when Brady was advancing in his age as he was, um, is, you know,

arguably is big a, an achievement and a miracle and, uh, opportunity knocking and taking advantage of than the first dynasty when he was this young and went on this run to a Super Bowl and then backed it up, um, you know, three and four years later with the first back to back championships that we had

seen since the, the Broncos then and the only one we had seen since until the Chiefs did it and the Eagles could do it again this year who knows but when you put it all together we're wondering right now Mahomes is not going to have Kelsey forever and you know Andy Reid at some point is going to move on I don't know because Brady and Belichick were the constant and then the rest of the roster changed I don't know what the Chiefs 2.0 is going to be because right now Mahomes has had a better career remarkably so, and you could say this, prior to the age of 30 than Brady did,

in terms of rings and in terms of stats and in terms of everything else, the question is, is to catch Brady, to be Brady, to be... Competitive stamina. What's he going to do when he's 35? What's the competitive stamina? What's going to happen when you're 34 to...

Will he have a drought? Are we about to witness that drought that Tom went through, despite making it to the Super Bowl two years in that drought? Or are we going to see and winning the division through that drought? Right, throughout that drought. Or are we going to see a drought? And if not, you know, where does that place him

in terms of being able to position himself for that 35 to 40-year-old Mahomes to be that good? And then, of course, comes the post-40-year-old if he wants to do that or not. If it's possible. People just think, like I... Post-40-year-old Brady

having as good of a career as any other Hall of Famer in their 30s, honestly, that's what we're. why Tom is the goat period end of story. But that's why a lot of these guys are getting paid. True. There's only one Tom Brady. You can't be tearing an Achilles at 38 and getting $200 million.

I'm not going to say, yeah, there's only one of those guys. Like before Tom Brady, it was when you were 37, 38, you're done. Yeah. And it's still pretty much like that. Look at Breeze. Look at Big Ben when they were approaching that time and they weren't, they weren't as. No. You know, as lasting is obviously Tom. I know Rogers is attempting it right now. We'll see what happens this year. But he's what, 40 this year? He's 41. 41? We're talking 45, man. And it was all born on this day. We won a Super Bowl when he was, I mean, Tom was like in the MVP talks until he was 45. For good reason. Holy crap. Like real deal stuff. Yes. We need to get that perception out of our head or that whatever we think that, you know, older guys are there because one guy did it.

Was this the most impactful play in the history of the national football league? Mo Lewis hit. How is it not? And we've tried to have Mo Lewis call into our show, zoom into our show. He has zero interest in discussing it. I heard that. Recently came out. No interest in talking about it.

He had a great career. It's not because I just don't know if he wants to be known for a hit or I don't know what it is. Won't talk about it. I think it's just because. I'm interested in having a conversation. No, he made some quotes for a recent up or an upcoming Belichick Brady book that came out that were pretty pretty much backed that up and I don't blame him I don't get it I mean I'm not bad at him I mean what what what's to what's to answer oh yeah I hit him like you know

see quarterback hit quarterback if he's going to be this big blood so this big you know what is he six five I mean this dude's not sliding he's going to he's going to run the risk of me hitting him I'm going to unload on this one is illegal one also want to know about he put somebody in a hospital I'm sure that that is not what he really wants to talk about it wasn't a dirty hit. Look, the helmet is not connecting their shoulder to shoulder. No, it's a clean hit. He wasn't wrapping and he wasn't hitting him laid out of bounds. All these goddamn quarterbacks

now got to watch his play. I get scared for them because of this play. When they get all tippy toeier around that thing and they think they're off limits. Well, Mahomes just in the Chargers game, just give a little shoulder while he's in that a lot of people are thinking that he's using the advantage of you can't hit the quarterback

to his advantage. But, you know, all quarterbacks need to watch this plan unless you're the backup wants an opportunity of a lifetime. We'll just be ready. And again, the fact that we're making a play that we've,

we just talked about that we see all the time in the NFL and quarterbacks are taught to avoid in the NFL that looks just like any other. Again, it's not like helmet, oh, that was dirty. No. Or it wasn't like, oh, he was out of bounds. Or, oh, well, it's not like a,

it was like a three touchdown game where this was cheap because he was taking a shot. that you're just like hey man this game's over what are you doing um no like that this was just a run of the mill moment the fact that we're sitting in you're asking me that question is this the most important play in the NFL's history and i'm saying with everything in the history of the NFL i did not stutter i've said yes because your question about is brady inevitable or not obviously we'll never have the answer to that question but you have to assume not an ever it definitely not inevitable in new england like if brady just kept going on his merry way i don't

there would have been a moment where it's just like we're going to bench the 100 million quarterback to see what this kid's got him he was a god he was a god in big time well he took them to the super bowl a few years before and so for me to say that is a testament to end to again to brady's greatness and the greatness of folks like yourself and gronk and bellichick and everybody else from brusky to you know everyone else that we mentioned here you know seymour willie mcginnis all Vrabel everyone else as a collective and as individuals to take this moment and build on it from the craft family as well. Belichick, name them all. Pioly, anybody who was in that front office that everybody with this moment built off of it, built their careers, jackets, rings, busts, you know, is, makes it, makes it a sliding door, butterfly effect moment that, yeah, man, I had no idea again.

I did the highlight until I redid Sports Center. You know what I just thought of when you were saying that? Yeah. I basically had like you narrating little Simba. Yeah. Coming over the kingdom. Yeah. Sure.

I think that's what this play was. Could be that. The Lion King. There is. Look at that guy with all those rings, man. Right. Let me put a. And there's no argument.

There's no argument. And I know Mahomes might make one later in the day. And that would turn, you know, if that happens, that would turn into the LeBron Jordan argument. Without a doubt. the NBA all the time, you know, but I mean, but let's not forget, man, again. Tommy went 10 years without even sniffing it again, or he went to two soups. It's crazy, though.

Yeah, it's hard. You got to go to a lot of soupies. That was what in Indianapolis where, where Eli dropped that one in Mannyham's lap. By the way, arched through one very similar to that in the Texas, Ohio State game that I was thinking, oh man, this was going to be my day where Ohio State ate it because I root against them significantly every single time. And of course, the moment in Minnesota as well. But you got enough, man.

We got enough. I know, but it's greedy. You want more. That's the beauty of it. We want to grade the game. Let's get to, let's grade this game. Jules, let's see where it ranks. Real quick, though.

The paths would lose 10 to 3. People don't remember, at least I didn't, and I'm not ashamed to admit this. Drew Bledso came back in this game. He came back in this game for a couple plays. Another Mark Edwards fumble. But that's just a testament to Drew's toughness. Freaking crazy. Crazy.

He's bleeding inside. he's out there. He's trying to win this thing. Crazy. And to put a bow on it, Mo Lewis recently said, it's really irrelevant to me. Just another play to me. To you all, it's a big game-changing. History-changing play. I never go back and watch that play. If people want to talk about it, I don't hide from it,

but it has no importance to me. Yeah, he won't be downloading this pod. Yeah, he will. A future guest. Yeah, he will. 10 to 3. He says that until he sees it. There's a big name on games with names this episode. Yeah, Rich Eisenon on him, baby. Damn straight, you do. Let's grade this game.

All right. The name of this game, it's obviously the Mo Lewis game, right? Or is there something else? No, no, no. It's it. Moly's game. Score the game. Is this the greatest game? Let's score it decimals, encouraged stakes. See, the problem is, is the, I don't know how many. Stakes. I don't know. Again, it's like two. It's a week two game.

It's true. True. I mean, like, that's the problem. I don't think your rating system is going to be, is going to really be indicative of the significance. No. But I mean, this is your show. So, I'm going to go with a 3.8 because, I mean, it's a division game. Okay, that's a weird number. You want to round up or? No, we, decimals encouraged. I had no idea.

We're on the same ballpark. Okay. Decimals encouraged. I don't know decimals are encouraged. Set it in the title. Decimals encouraged. Star power, zero to ten. Decimal is encouraged.

I'll go 5.94 because that's my fastest 40 time for St. Jude. I like him, nine. My dad wants to donate to St. Jude, anytime we have you. Please do that. And in the time we curse on the show, Frank also wants us to... We send the same... That should be a multiplier because I cursed on this show. Oh, exactly.

We asked our Discord channel for a question and actually bring it back around. How fast you think you could run a 40 if he'd train for it full-time? Oh, my wife wonders that all the time. I don't know. Jim Harbaugh actually offered me his staff to train for this next 40. I'd be silly not to do it. Michigan man looking out for a Michigan man. That's what we do.

So maybe I'll try. We'll find out. My star power, there's a lot of stars on this team. There's a few Hall of Famers. Yeah, but Brady was relatively unknown. And so is Seymour. This is game two of his career. I know.

You got to put yourself in the shoes of the moment. 5.6. Okay. Rich, I didn't even get my score out. Okay. Sorry. All right. I was criticized it before.

That's my bad. Let me get the score out. Oh, so you guys have already rated it and this is the big reveal. Yeah. It saves time. It saves some time. Excellent drama. Way to build it up.

The gameplay of this game, which was very sloppy. It's terrible. It's like put it to three. Put it to three. Three. I'm going to go with a 2.3. Okay. Yeah, 4.1.

Same ballpark. The name of the game, though. We all know the name of the game. This is where you can go with. It's a cultural. This is like you should put in significance, like significance. If you have a category of significance instead of stakes, you know, like if you remove stakes and put in significance. The name of the game is kind of the significance.

Listen. No, but that's a way. When I leave here, it's your show. You know what I mean? Like, so I don't want to, I don't, I do like to be a factor and leave an imprint. But yeah, I mean, see. Don't ESPN us. I'm sorry.

As a two-timer, I like to consider it. I'm not changing. I'm not changing. That's a callback. I have no rights to do it. I have no contractual rights. I'm going with a 10, too, okay, Rich. Pure pressure.

You could have won 11. It's your number. It's like a final tap number. Or you could have went to 6. 7, 5. What's your problem? What are you doing? I mean, Tom Brady's, yeah, like with Super Bowls.

We've done Miracle on Ice. Come on, like, it's a regular season game. Where does he last on it? Where is it on the list? That's probably not high up at all. But, okay. Ooh, this could be bad. So it's a five.

Yeah, I'm sure it's not, but gameplay and stakes kind of, is this the lowest game of all the time? No. It is going to be our new. Okay. Okay. It's our new 104th game.

So stupid. It's right above week 16, 2011 Patriots Bills. Oh, God. What was the biggest watershed moment in the history of that? What was that one? Seriously. That was a dinosaur barbecue game. Yeah. Oh, yeah, who could forget that? We got snowed. I got, my

game is when Tom Brady came into the NFL. All right. Well, maybe it should have been a more. It should be a more interesting game. That, three. That leaves a mark. Oh, thank God, we beat Team Barstow versus ND alumni. It was the Jets. I would never be able to sleep. It was a Jets game. I'd never be able to fall a

sleep tonight. Is this behind week three preseason the Texans of the Cowboys? What the fuck is going on? That was Danny Amadola on Hard Knocks. Danny Amadola on Hard Knocks is pretty damn good. Remember when he went in Jerry's office? All right. He got cut on national TV Rich. You know how big that was for the

world? We better stop. We better stop otherwise there won't be a three time. Do you have any opinions on our like top of our list? What? This is the top of our list. Well, 28 to three. I mean for you that's not that wasn't me. This is a guest. But I mean the Boston Knee Party is one of of my favorite nicknames I've ever heard of the Boston knee party have you never heard that no that's what your cratch is called no I've never once heard that have you shitting me not once rich that's what I called

it on NFL network and we people were picking up on I was very proud of that it's the Boston knee party I like me I like that let's put that in there dude okay 28 to 3 but that that that explains it obviously super blood wolf moon okay got it Malcolm Butler game okay okay okay so Stanley Cup, game seven, all right, Miracle. How can a game seven of Stanley Cup be above Miracle on ice? That is a problem. It's a problem. Ray Bork came and he, like, who did?

Ray Bork. It's the like, after 22 years. We had the Stanley Cup on the show that episode. Yeah, we got pressure. So we all got a little shiny in the eyes. These glitties, very shiny objects. Oh, Ray Bork brought the Stanley Cup. Have you seen how cool he is?

Let's not talk about the Soviet Union with all those people. Jim Craig was very modest about his score. He was very modest. So, like, he should have going to do, say, like, yeah, it's 10 out of 10? Of course, it's, of course he, okay, whatever. It was tough, you know, we can only do what the guest allows us, right? We've got to get a rich back for our rescuing special ass. So bowl game, there it is.

All right. Game four Yankees Red Sox, I'm not a fan of that one, but I understand the choke of doke. All right, I mean, I got you. There's some good stuff on there. Sure, the Four Nations face-off championship. That's recancy bias. We also have a lot of Patriots failure. That was great, but you can't, come on, man.

We did that. It wasn't bigger than a miracle on ice. with some problems. We did it right after and Biz Nasty really pumped its time. He pumped. Oh, yeah, Biz Nasty here. Okay. All right.

Yeah. There you go. Rich. Yes. We miss anything on this game? Yeah, the significance of it. But other than that. What do you mean?

All right. The score? That's fine. I'll just look past it. It's okay. Everyone. I'm breathing through it. Everyone got to go check out the Rich Eisen's show on Disney Plus.

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Learning lots. Learning lots when Rich is in the building. You know, the parting wisdom. What is it? Callbacked him. He liked when he did that. You did it like a pro, too. I called backed him.

Oh, yeah. Rich knows us. He notices. You're coachable. Always I've been. I'm just going to go shadow him one day, not going to show, just hang around. Let me shadow the shadower.

I'm going to shadow the shadower. I'll shout out you, shadowing him. Rich is awesome. I love the, like, shouting out his crew, the baseball knowledge. The overall sport knowledge. He brought in old Yankees. He brought in the World Series with the Diamondbacks. He was at the games.

Scott Brocious. Yeah. Bichetti boats. Who do you think the infielder was? Oh, my God, bro. Was it an infielder? That's what he said. So who was the infielder?

It wasn't Jeter. So you got third base. Was that Brocious? Was Chuck Knoblock, the second baseman? or Tina Martinez. Seems like a Chuck Knoblob. But see, if it had been Knoblock,

he wouldn't have been able to make the handoff to her. He would have sailed it. He would end up in the 10th row. Guy had the yips. Oh my gosh. Do we, do catchers count as infielders? Let's look up the,

you got the roster pulled up, Guy? We don't need, we don't. We don't, yeah, we're good. I tell you what, though. That'd have been my girl? He's got two children with his wife. They're happily buried.

If some seamhead gives my wife a ball with his number on, I'm going in that locker room and I'm whipping that thing. You know what, Jack? I'm whipping that thing. You need to chill. And it's time for this week's chill zone.

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Today, June. Oh, my God, when they're blue. Ooh. In the post game, in the chill zone, we like to pull back the curtain every now. again, and Kyler and I like to sort of put you on the chill seat, if you will, to pull back that curtain on life in the NFL for us, for us guys that just see it from the outside, us fans. So today we're going to do a little hybrid of that mixed with a little advice.

Advice. As an elder statesman of the game, who has seen it all, the season is kicking off. A lot of rookies are making impacts already. So we wanted to see, Jules, what you wish you knew as a rookie and some of the advice that you would give to these young bucks trying to make it in the league today. How do you feel about that? Yeah, my advice to the young football players, young rookies that are in the league that are entering the early part of their season, get a body routine down immediately. Can you explain that? Even if your body is feeling good, get your body work in because nothing is more important than the health of your body when you're playing professional sport. Your body is your tool. Get massage. Get the prehab stuff that when your

body's feeling good that you're working your ankles, your knees. Develop a really good routine for your body. Don't do it when your body's hurt. Because when you get hurt when you've been doing it, if you do the stuff before you get hurt, you get back quicker. You know, so fall in love. I was blessed to be drafted into the Patriots around a guy that was super into his health. And that's Tom Brady. I mean, there's a guy rubbing his arm every two seconds. He was eating freaking nothing but like kale and stuff. And everything was to make him perform the best.

His body performed the best on Sunday. So get that body routine going. And also know it's a long season, whether good or bad when you're a young football player you got to scrap scrap what you just did in week one and worry about week two or week three worry about week four you have to remember the bad stuff

and the good stuff to help you get better for that week but whatever you did in that past week means absolutely nothing you know week one is crazy the early part of the season is crazy there's a lot of unpredictability there's a lot of new wrinkles you still don't know what your team is.

You still don't know what the strengths of your team is. You don't know what the weaknesses are. It's a long, long season, especially as a rookie who's only played in potentially 14 games. If you went to the playoff or 15 maybe, that's only, you know, you have like four more weeks in the regular season of NFL. And if you're on a playoff team,

those weeks even get more ramped when you go to the playoffs. So it's a long season. know your body get your body right always have your body working always get the massage the the prehab the PT whatever it is even when your body's feeling good like always work those things and know that it's a long season because it does there is such thing as that rookie wall that you hit you know i mean if you keep up you don't have a catch up body wise if you keep up you don't have ketchup amen that sounds good doesn't it let's start uh i will say i think already kind of touched on here a little bit, but like speaking personally, Jules, and just

generally with guys you've seen coming going to league, what's the biggest adjustment for a rookie in the NFL? I think the biggest adjustment is you're not the buck. Yeah. You know, you've been the best football player on the field that you've been on your whole life. Every level. You were always the guy. Once you get up there, you look around, you see Randy Moss, you see Tom Brady you see Will Fork you see Teddy Bruske like you're seeing guys that you're watching

in high school junior college junior high winning Super Bowls playing at the highest level the highest the best games like you got to understand

that you're not the buck oh I feel that yeah now you can be a buck but but like everyone is the best so that's when the little things matter when you're a rookie not making the same mistake twice mistakes are going to be made you just can't make them twice you know learning from every rep you have

taking reps when you're not physically in you're taking the mental rep being prepared for a situation or a package when your opportunity comes you may only get one i was in a four wide package they called maybe four of those a practice i knew i had to go in and not fuck up the personnel group, not fuck up the play, not fuck up the formation, know my responsibility, and I knew the ball probably wasn't coming to me.

But you had to put it on, you know what I mean, just to show you. You got to show them you know what you're doing. Right, because they're not going to put you out there if you don't. That's true,

and you only get limited reps every practice. Only limited reps. This isn't college where, you know, there's, you got a hundred guys on the team, there's a backup long snap. There's 53 dudes. That's it.

10 practice squad. What is that? Yeah, oh my gosh. That was my second year. This leads me to my next question, Julie. Maybe my second. If you could rip the time machine in 2025 Jules could go back and give a little advice to rookie second year early on, Jules. What would you say?

Hold out more. I like that. I like that. Hold your ground. Amen. Take a couple more of those visits to other teams. Don't let them bully you. Uh-uh, we do bullies.

We don't get bullied. My advice would probably just enjoy it more. You know, you get so caught up in the competition. And, like, I don't know if I really liked winning more than I hated losing. And, you know, the preparation it took to compete. Like, you fall in love with that. And then you go and compete. And you only do it for three hours.

you prepare for like four days before, five days, six months before, you only get three hours of it. And then you got to go do it again. So you have such a short mindset, at least I did, whether good or bad, that like, I didn't really necessarily get to enjoy it. I feel that. Always got to be present. And in the moment, I'm with you. It's easy to say, but tough to do. And then on the flip side of that coin, what is something you're so glad that you did as a young player? in the NFL? I'm glad I was, I'm super glad that I was very routine oriented and I developed my pre-practice routine, my, my ball catching routine. I lived and died on the routine and

you know, I had a lot of great guys to learn how to do that from. Now, I was naturally like that, but to see where I could use that routine and what routine I needed to get myself ready daily uh i had i got to learn from some of the best routine type guys kevin falks teddy bruskees tom bradies welker worked his balls off had a routine you know randy had his routine in the off on the off day doing his speed and quickness that i would go do with them every once in a while like there was routines that guy like the guys that stuck around the guys that played a long time they they were routine type guys so i'm i'm thankful that i'm I had a good routine.

And it paid off, baby. You could always do a little more. I wish I could always done better. Man, that was awesome. No. There are a lot of rookies out there that'll love this insight. A lot of rookies, man. This is the rookies, new rookies every year.

Yeah, every year. Every year. We keep getting older. They stay the same age. I'm getting older. They keep on staying the same age, boy. All right? Oh, man.

You think it's tough for being a rookie now or when you were a rookie. What? I don't know. You can't even call them a rookie. anymore. They're the art word. First year players. Full R year. First your words. And when I was a rookie, we still had like hazing.

Yeah. We still got bullied, which I loved. I loved being bully. I love getting the friar tuck haircut. I love spending like one-tenth of my signing bonus on a rookie dinner. Morton's shot up. Mortons? They're aware of Capitol Grill. Capital Grill. I loved carrying dirty, sweaty men's helmets and pads and cleats off the field, multiples. Man. I loved going to have to get the food before the flight

and risk being late every single time. Routine. I loved it. I loved having to scream my fight song anytime anyone just wanted to hear it or tell a joke to someone. Hey, Rook, you got a joke? I loved it.

It was terrible at it, but you know what I loved? I loved the day you weren't a rookie. And then you got to Do it to the rookie And do it worse Oh my gosh Nothing like being a vet Oh no

I love being a vet Boy Six years in I loved it Loved being a vet Old Slate dog knows Love being a vet And that was the chill zone

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