Games with Names - The REAL Story behind the Miracle on Ice plus NHL Insider Stories!

Episode Date: February 22, 2026

Jim Craig tells the real story behind the Miracle on Ice, and then we hear stories from Paul Bissonette and Ray Bourque about their playing days in the NHL!Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Welcome to games with names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation highlight reel starting now. Now, Jim Craig, on the real Miracle on Ice Story. How was Herb pregame? Like, was he a speech guy, or did he just give you keys? Did he rile you guys up? Never swore. Yeah.

Right? Extremely prepared, right? I mean, in every detail is incredible. But the speech that you hear in the movie, Miracle, is basically what he did. And he was our confidence. You know what I mean? They're ripe. They're ready to be beaten.

You guys have earned this, you know, all the things. But he never said you're going to win. And so it's really interested in words. When you pay attention to what actually is being said, there is a way to beat this team. You guys have the ability, you know what I mean? But you're not going to just do this and beat them. You got to execute.

You got to do it. Yeah. Wait, so the movie speech is actually fairly close? Very close. Yes. Wow. Is that story where he made you guys run after the... Skate.

Skate. Sorry, I'm a football guy. Skate. When he had you guys skate after the match? The Norway game. The Norway game. How many did you do? So the Bart is really interesting.

This basically talks about trends before they come have it. Yeah. So Herb Brooks is challenged to just kind of put this in perspectives, right? They didn't want them to be a coach. They wanted Parker or Billy Clary. So he had to convince him to be coach. Then the U.S. hockey was okay with preparing to compete, not win. And there's a huge difference.

So when we talk about underdog versus a winning underdog, is either you're, you know, I'll go to companies when I speak to them. I'll say, okay, where are we? Are you guys preparing to win or compete? Are you looking to be bought or are you acquiring, right? Because it's one or the other, right? Jules, we played 61 games before the Olympics. Yeah.

No other Olympic team had ever played more than eight. Yeah. We played 47 of those 61s on the road. We did it in four months. The NHL played 80 games in nine, right? And so we practiced the day of a game. If you didn't like how we played during the game, we practiced after the game.

And it always comes down to the same thing. I always ask people, what's the most important thing in time management? What would your answer be? Productivity. It's knowing how much time you have. Knowing how much time you have. You can't be productive unless you know how much time you have.

Herb Brooks had six months to get this hogging team ready to beat the greatest team in the world. Yeah. And so the tactics and the way he did things were based on how much time he had. Right. So here we are. We're playing the Norwegians. We're getting killed as far as the schedule goes. We're going back and forth.

The accommodations we had is you had three guys to a room. two guys got a bed and one guy didn't and how that was decided was if you were the smallest guy you got the car yeah right you're hanging stuff inside the locker room you're lugging all your own gear you're trying to get it clean you know so now we're playing a team that we think we're better than that and so we play don't take it really that serious we tie it the trend is brooks knows we're going to play them in the olympics it's going to be the same thing the olympics back then wasn't set up so for television it was the real Olympics. Yeah, yeah.

Right? So it was how many goals for, how many goals against, you know, and everything was metric. You guys beat the Russians. Right. And you could have not placed the next week. Exactly. Yeah, crazy. So Herb says, you know, this is a bad trend.

You can't not take anybody nothing. So even though we tied into the regions, he knew we were going to play him in the Olympics. And so he stopped the trend from becoming a habit. And we skated and skated. but what he was doing that the miracle movie didn't really do is one of our best players was a guy named Mark Johnson. Mark Johnson. Yeah, and Mark Johnson's dad was an incredible coach.

It's a great day for hockey. Yeah, great day for hockey, right? You know, totally two different personalities, you know. Mark's dad was positivity. Brooks was, you know, more toughness, right? And I think Herb wanted to break Mark that day and let him know that, his dad wasn't coaching him. So we skated and skated

until Mark Johnson slammed this tick against the boards. That's how it really happened. So you see this Ocalihan fight versus McClanahan in the movie, right? And if you really watch that clip, you'll see how four or five times that was going to be stopped.

But as it plays through, now Brooks knows what he has to do where the problems are, right? Because if not, people are going to split up and team up. and this conflict will continue to go on. So I really think conflict is a really important thing with every team, you know, to let it happen so that you can figure out what goes on.

Now, why did Herb choose you? I think it's the winning underdog that I don't think he knew how I would, I don't think he knew I would win in the biggest situations, but he knew I wouldn't be nervous. You didn't take the test? Well, that's a much more complicated thing. So here's the deal. He has this take-home test.

It's pretty simple. I'm living with a team doctor, Dr. Nagabots. And my mother had just passed. And so I used to call home every night, check in him with my father. Yeah. And this one that I called home, he was crying. He still had my mother's clothes in the closet. He had just lost his job.

And I felt really guilty about chasing my career. and not helping out the family. So that night I decided if I don't take the test, I had made a promise to my mother. She said, listen, no matter what happens to me, if you have a chance to represent our country, you have to promise me you will and you won't turn pro. So I made that promise.

And so all of a sudden now I say, well, if I don't take this test, Herb Brooks will send me home and then I'll just do whatever that does. Right. But the brilliance of Herb was, I live with the team doctor. The team doctor told her of everything that was going on,

and all he cared about is could I do my job? And so in his own way, he wanted people that would be more interested in the team than themselves. And by showing that, you know, my team was my family, right? And so I think it really showed him a lot. So he asked me a question, it was really interesting, two questions. He said, Jimmy, what can I do to help? And I said, well, my father needs a loan. So Herb worked to the people in Minneapolis to figure out how to get a loan.

So that kind of made me feel better. And the second question is he says, can you do your job? I said, I can do my job. Hell yeah. Yeah. So taking that test is a little different. But Disney did ask if they could do it the way it did because it kind of fit my character, you know? So next, Paul Dissanette breaks down what?

really starts a hockey fight. At that time, like, there was no social media. So you were getting, there was really no way to escape it. You'd get beat up. You'd get on the bus. You'd travel four hours that night to the next city. And you'd kind of just be sitting there in your seat, like half-concussed, you know, wondering like, oh, my God, I got to do this again tomorrow night.

Take us through your journey. Your hockey journey. You played 12 years. You battled back and forth from, you know, the AAAs to the bigs. I'm sorry if I fuck up the terminology. HL and H. Yeah. And so take us through your journey.

Yeah. So I was a pretty decent junior player. I was a defenseman. I actually was able to represent my country playing under 17 for Team Ontario. And then under 18 was Team Canada. I played both of them. World Championship was able to win gold both times. Was drafted by the Pittsburgh Penguins.

And gotten a little bit of trouble early on in my career. Like you go from living with a billet family and junior to all of a sudden. you sign a contract, you have money, you're living on your own. And, you know, probably was drinking and partying a little bit too much. So I started off my career in professional in the ECHL, basically the lowest league and slowly worked my way up. And after getting in a little bit more trouble, basically was in the coast and thought my, my career was over. And then from at that point, I was a defenseman.

And they called me up to the HL and they said, we're going to make you a fourth line fighter. And I had a decision to make at that point in time, whether I wanted to, do that or stay stubborn and stay as a defenseman and I said you know fuck it if this is my only path to maybe get into the NHL I'll do it so I started scrapping um I got beat up a lot I had back-to-back seasons where I fought 30 times and guys at that time in the A were taking steroids I was getting the shit kicked out of myself and uh eventually just from playing that position and and sticking at it I ended up finally making the bigs with Pittsburgh and uh I got to make it though unreal I got to play with Sydney Crosby,

Fannie, Fulry, you know, just those memories alone were unbelievable, even though I was only there for about 20, 26 games,

played 15. And then the following season, I was old enough where I got sent down, but I could get picked up by waivers. So I got to go over to Phoenix who put in a claim for me

and played five years there, lived out my dream, ended up starting Twitter when I was there, and that's where the whole social media career started. and then ended up finishing off my career in the American Hockey League. So I was one of those guys where I was a borderline NHLer, and I was just grateful to be there and was able to play with so many amazing teammates

and made so many friends in Arizona, one of which is another Boston guy, Keith Yandel, who's now on our Spit and Chick-Chickelts podcast. But, yeah, it was a world win, grateful to be there and just grateful to transition it into media and stick around the game and also have a purpose after my playing career. Yeah, I mean, you clearly did that. I mean, you still played 12 years at a professional sport.

Yeah. And then you did something amazing where you didn't just become a Canadian kid that went back to the house and did nothing. No. With his life, you did something else and now you're known for something else other than being an athlete. Yeah, I'm always interested in more and what life has to offer. So as much as I love my hometown of well in Ontario, I always, always knew there was more out there and more I wanted to do. The same reason why at 16 years old when I was drafted to junior, like I moved away from home and I lived with the Billet family,

I never even called home for the first three weeks while we had training camp and stuff. Like, I dove right in. I didn't get homesick because I knew that, you know, if you wanted to achieve anything in life, you're going to have to, you know, go outside your comfort zone and do it. And I was also, like, things happened for a reason, too. I was in Pittsburgh, um, which is a, you know, a very respected organization. And not to say Arizona wasn't, but Arizona was a team where they, they didn't mind getting any type of publicity.

So I was able to start out a Twitter account and be an absolute donkey online. Like with the shit that I was doing and saying and tweeting, I was going on local radio stations. And like, they hooked me up with this girl, Bibby Jones. So I guess I'm actually Eskimo brothers with Grunk. I hate to throw them under the bus.

But she actually posted She actually posted a photo of them. And then she asked me for a photo to post. And I was like, I don't think I want that smoke, right? And then she went on the local radio the next morning and put me on blast. Oh, yeah. Just all. What year is this?

Oh, this is probably like 2011. Oh, my God. So the shit. Early, it's early Twitter. So the shit that I was able to get away with and grow my own personal social channels based on playing in Arizona and the fact that they want a publicity, it just worked out perfectly. And that's kind of what got me my start into the media,

where I started getting more opportunities and offers to do these one-off videos. And then by the time I retired, I got my buddy here, Pasha, I dove right into it. I did this film project called Biz Does BC. So yeah, is it awkward? And it was very silly at the time. But it taught me a lot about what I needed to know

in the backside after retiring. So just a world win of a career in a transition. but wouldn't change it for the world. Fucking, it's been fun to watch. Like, I didn't have the playing career that you had. I was in the press box. I had more healthy scratches in my career than games played. Yeah, but you still made do with what you had.

That's it. And that's what you continue to preach when you talk. I mean, it's also a lesson for, like, a lot of kids out there. Like, everybody drafted when they were probably the stars of their team, right? Yeah. But, you know, at a certain point, like, you're not going to be the, star and you have to make a sacrifice. Are you okay being the fourth line peasant who's getting healthy scratched? If you're not willing to put your ego aside, there's other guys who will

and there's positions for those guys. So I'm glad at the time I was able to make that decision. It just kind of happened naturally. Like I, you know, who knows, maybe going back if it would happen again, it was the wrong day. Maybe I would have been stubborn about it. But just grateful that that's the path I chose. And I was accepting of that. And it led to all this. That's what people don't realize is the different ego slots in the locker room for a professional athlete. Being a role player, you have to swallow your pride, do everything, have mental toughness, do what's best for the team when it may not be best for you and be that role guy and love doing that.

The fullback going out and blowing out his head every day in practice, like knowing that he'll never touch the ball. But that's a big thing. Talk us through that transition. mentally when you go from defensemen to fourth line fighter. Like, and how does that transition go? Did you go to boxing camp or like,

how the fuck? So when I, even when I was playing junior, I liked handling my own business. Yeah. But that would be about five, six times a year and normally against other guys who were playing more. So they weren't like just specifically heavyweight scrappers.

So it was hard, just because I was getting used to fighting these guys who, like some guys were on steroids. and they were just a lot more experience, have been doing it since they were kids. So, yeah, I took boxing lessons in the summertime and prepared as much as possible, but it was hard.

And at that time, like, there was no social media. So you were getting, there was really no way to escape it. You'd get beat up. You'd get on the bus. You'd travel four hours that night to the next city. And you'd kind of just be sitting there in your seat, like half-concussed, you know, wondering like, oh, my God, I got to do this again tomorrow night.

And so it was a differently a transition and a hard process. to start to understand, but it just taught me a lot about, like, adversity and how to deal with that type of stuff and really prepared me for, for what was to come for after my career. So great life lessons to, to learn, like, getting the shit kicked out of yourself. Yeah. You got to walk us beat for beat on how a fight goes down in hockey. As casual, as casual, like, is it a fucking look?

Is it, are you guys talking to each other on the ice? Is it like just, is it just drop them and fucking go? So what is this? Walk us through this. So the reason I love to do it the most was to protect my teammates, especially when they were being taken advantage of. And that was the one thing that made it a lot easier when I was going through all that. And, you know, fighting 30 times a year for the first time is how appreciative your teammates are.

And so, you know, let's say one of our skill players gets ran by one of these types of players. It's what? Ran. Like, let's say he goes back for a puck. and that guy takes a run and, like, lays out a big hit on him. Like, there's nothing more than I want to get on the ice and go challenge that guy to get retribution for that hit he just throw through. Or if he's, like, slashing him and trying to take advantage of him.

So that to me is where I would go on the ice, tap him on the shin pads and say, hey, let's go, motherfucker. Or maybe, you know, we are down 3-1 at home and, you know, the energy in the building is flat and our guys aren't really going. I'm trying to provide a spark to our team. Like, let's get this fucking crap. out into it and let's get going. That would be another time where I would line up at a face off and ask a guy to go. So most of the time it was just tapping a guy in the shin pads and saying,

hey, let's throw down. And what do they ever say now? Yeah. Like typically if your team's ahead, you don't want to lose momentum. So you don't want to get the power play. You don't want to get penalty. Yeah, because especially if I'm chasing around the ice and I'm tapping them on the shin pads, then I would have gotten an instigator penalty. So you have to be a little bit more subtle about it where like you're like off a faceoff is when you just verbally say hey you want one and half the time a guy whose team has a lead will be like no coach said no coach said no and my coach would say the same thing to me you go biz we got all the momentum leave it alone and it sucked because sometimes the guy would be tapping you on the shin pad and and kind of calling you out in front of your crowd and

some people they don't give a fuck about the momentum they paid for their ticket and they want to see people get their face punched in so that sucked but but But oftentimes then that guy, if he really wanted one, then he would take a run at one of my teammates. And then it was like, okay, now it's no more questions asked. We're fucking going. Yeah. Now, what's the difference between a fighter and an agitator?

Because we just had Sean Avery on. Yes. And I just want to clarify. Talk about another guy who had a great transition out of playing. He's fucking doing another Nolan movie. He is an unreal actor. He's killing it. He's very disciplined too.

He's part of my neighborhood watch for my daughter's house. He lives in the same neighborhood. And so you remember that TMZ, uh, TMZ video that came out of him yelling at the kid. Yes. On that was right by my house. No shit.

Yeah. He's gotten in a few Donny Brooks off the ice. He's gone to full. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He, I love having them up there,

but it makes my kid feel safe. And he's doing all the jihitsu stuff too. Now he's doing jihitsu. Yeah. He's like, he's too pretty to be an agitator, though. He was, he was probably one of the best ever to agitate.

I mean, I know you had him on recently. He talked about the Broder stuff. Sean would say some insane shit to people on ice. Like places that I would not go. Like if, like, if, yeah, just some of the shit he said, your jaw would drop and you'd be like, oh, my God. I wouldn't want to be in a relationship if I was playing against Sean Avery. Like, I might even divorce my wife before I played against him just to avoid the type of insults that he would throw.

But he was very good at, like picking his spots and then knowing when to rile the other team up and then not fighting. So he was a master of his craft. I don't think he left the league with a ton of friends, but I don't also think he gives a shit. He runs a tight ship. He's got a tight group and that's all he cares about. Yeah.

So the fighter and the agitator is different. Yeah. Like he was also a very good player. When he focused on playing, I think he was a very reliable third line player. and even in some cases he could go up and down the lineup. Like if you needed Sean to play on the first line for a night, he could fit in.

Maybe not sustainably for a 20 game stretch, but for me, I was just more of a knuckle dragger where, I mean, the most minutes I ever played in a game, I'll never forget it. It was 11 minutes in Edmonton.

I had two assists that game. And I felt like I needed to be in a body cast the next day. Because even playing 11 minutes and keeping up to these world-class athletes, like that was just not my, not my jam. So I was comfortable with my five to six minutes. Knuckle dragon, fourth line, dumping in, dump it out. Hey, boys, change it up. Let's go. Are you watching film of fighting guys? Like, guys that you potentially fight. Like, I know this guy's, he's going to pull my jersey, probably give me a right hook or something. So fortunately enough for me at the time where I started

doing it, like YouTube was a thing and then slowly social media started coming in. So I could study that way where the olden days, they had to find like the VHS tapes. And, Cut ups. And also, I started fighting in a time where, like, the American League actually probably had more of the tough guys than the NHL because they were slowly weeding out that style in the NHL where now it's a lot more organic and there's not as many heavyweights. Like guys like Tom Wilson are still very efficient because they can play and their heavy weights. So fortunately for me, when I was in the NHL, I wasn't having to scrap the old fighters of the past where they would grab all. and they would just go, punch in a face match where there was no defense.

None. It was. I watch it every time. These guys take fucking two or three off the face and just keep going. And I was more of a defensive fighter where you look back and I'm just so grateful. If I was playing in the 70s, like my nose would be on the other side of my head.

Yeah. And I probably would be like eating through a tool at this point. So just a different era. And I guess to answer your, going back to your question, the difference between an agitator, is somebody who doesn't necessarily have to fight all the time, but can get under people's skin, play the game, and also handle his business.

Sure. Next, Ray Bork on his shocking trade from the Bruins to the average. You got traded. How was that experience? Now, was that a mutual? I asked. How did you ask? Yeah. So like I was talking earlier, how the struggles had been, you know, for quite a while. and it was a hardest hardest thing I ever had to do

in terms of my hockey career is asked to leave Boston call Harry Sinden he was at the general manager's meetings in Florida and I called them and I said Harry I said you know I've decided that I've got to go somewhere to compete

to put myself in a different environment to see if I you know first of all if I still got it and to try to win again or to compete to win to get somewhere to have hope that a team, you know, we could get somewhere. So I told them I wanted to go to Philadelphia. I didn't want to go in a Western conference.

I was at the time we were building our big house here in Boston. And I wanted to be able to commute, come back when the schedule allowed me to. And I thought Philadelphia, looking at the Eastern Conference, had the best opportunity. And I made that very clear to Harry. and he was like, okay, I hear you. And I knew Reggie Lemlin was a goalie for the Bruins that is one of my best friends, that he was goalie coach for the Flyers.

So I knew everything that was going on on their side. And I thought I knew what was going on on my side. And it just happened that there was more teams involved at the end. And I knew this because I'm having dinner one night with my agent and my wife and Steve Casper and his wife. And René Angelio calls me Celendian's husband back in a day. I don't know if you remember how he spoke. Hey, Raymond, Camussevo, do you remember me?

We played golf together in Montreal, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, René is, yeah, I remember because him and Pierre Lacroix, the general manager for the Aves, were best friends. They grew up together. They talked every day. and he says Pierre does not know I'm calling you. He says, I hear you might get traded. Colorado would be an amazing place. And so I'm like, yeah, right.

Pierre doesn't know you're calling me, right? You talk every day. So anyways, I knew Colorado was involved. Dave Elliott played for St. Louis back then that had played with the Bruins. He called me. He says, St. Louis would like to know if you come to St. Louis. I'm like, that's not where I want to go. I knew New Jersey was involved.

Detroit was involved. So I knew there was other teams involved. So we're playing a flyer some after Saturday afternoon game. The last game I played with the Bruins. And I, Reggie Lemlin in the morning says, Ray, it's a done deal. You're going to, you're becoming a Philly. So I'm like, great. So the puck ends.

I'm on the ice. The end of the game. And the puck's just rolling right for me. And the buzzard goes off. So I pick up the puck. And I'm like, okay. So I got the puck for the last game. I play with the Bruin.

and all that stuff. So then after the game, I'm looking for Harry Sinda, and I think it's a done deal. I can't reach Harry. Ended up calling me later that night. Says, sit tight. There's other teams involved. I said, you know where I want to go.

He says, yeah, but we'll see. He says, don't come to the rink Sunday. If it's not done by tomorrow, if it's not done by the next day, don't come. We're playing Ottawa on the Monday. He says, stay away from the ring until it's done. So he calls me, I get a call later that night at the end of the senator's game telling me that I'm going to Colorado.

And warm up that night, Dave, Dave Andretruck was pulled off the ice and warm up. And he calls me, he says, Ray, they just pulled me off the ice. I'm probably going with you. Where are we going? I said, I have no clue, Dave. I haven't heard nothing yet. So we both end up going to Colorado together. So it was an amazing.

I've never played with so many French guys in my life. and the whole because you know Quebec Nordiques are those that's a team in 96 that moved to Denver yeah to become the avalanche and they won the cup in 96 the first year they were there they were ready to pop when they moved from Quebec they were friggin ready to roll and so they won the cup there then they competed they got to the semis pretty much every year but could never really get over the hump until 2001 so so that's how the deal went down So you get traded. And earlier in the interview, you go,

you know, this was the best team I ever played for. How is that dynamic going when you're a fucking legend? Everyone knows you as Mr. Bruin. You're the Boston Bruins. Okay. You're the captain of the Boston Bruins. How was it going in and re-calibrating yourself to a new locker room? Because that's tough.

I don't know if I could do that. I didn't leave like after like 10 years because I didn't want to go and learn new people. I didn't want to learn new system. That's like that's a very new. big thing, especially when you've been in somewhere for 20 plus years, you know what you're doing. You know what I mean? It's like being a rookie again in a little bit of a facet, which is completely different because you're Ray Bork and you know, but you're learning guys for the first time in an uncomfortable

environment that you've never been in. How was that dynamic? Well, walking into that room, first of all, was really weird. Are you like banks when you had joined Mighty Ducks? from the district 5th. I was, he was this Banks. I was asked to play in that movie just to come,

you know, they had a cameo of, I think Luke Rubbitei and I don't know who the other guy was, but there's two guys and I was asked, I'm like, I'm not flying to L.A. from back. So, but I got to Calgary. So Dave and I took the plane at 7 a.m.

on the Tuesday morning. playing in calgary that night so we they sent a plane for us it couldn't have been the smallest jet that you've ever had we had to stop in kansas city to refuel and we're both in like he's six four and i'm like i'm six but we're like this in a plane all friggin boulder up with our equipment our sticks our clothes and it's like it was so uncomfortable we get to calgary around two uh two p m their time and then we have a little press conference a quick bite to eat i try to sleep for maybe a an hour or whatever. I can't sleep. So I end up at the rink at four o'clock. You know, I'm the first guy at the rink. I walk in and right there is 77 and an avalanche jersey. It was so friggin'

weird, man. Yeah. It was weird. And then as the guys come in, I greeted everybody at the door and introduced myself. But they, you know, they got me for my play, but they also got me, I think, more for leadership and what I brought in other areas as well. Um, Because talent, they had, they needed maybe another voice in there as well. Thanks for listening. Remember to tune in every Tuesday for a brand new episode and every Sunday for another games with names highlighted. Over the last couple years, didn't we learn that the folding chair was invented by black

people because of what happened in Alabama? This Black History Month, the podcast, Selective Ignorance with Mandy B, unpacked black history and culture with comedy, clarity, and conversations that shake the status quo. The Crown Act in New York was signed in July of 2019, and that is a bill that was passed to prohibit discrimination based on hairstyles associated with race. To hear this and more, listen to Selective Ignorance with Mandy B from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. I'm Bowen-Yang.

And I'm Matt Rogers. During this season of the Two Guys Five Rings podcast, in the lead-up to the Milan Quartina, a 2026 winner Olympic Games, we've been joined by some of our friends. Hi, Ben. Hi, my Matt. Hey Elmo. Hey, Matt, hey Bowen. Hi, Cookie. Now the Winter Olympic Games are underway,

and we are in Italy to give you experiences from our hearts to your ears. Listen to two guys, five rings on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What if mind control is real? If you can control the behavior of anybody around you, what kind of life would you have? Can you hypnotically persuade someone to buy a car? When you look at your car, you're going to become overwhelmed.

with such good feelings. Can you hypnotize someone into sleeping with you? I gave her some suggestions to be sexually aroused. Can you get someone to join your cult? NLP was used on me to access my subconscious. Mind Games, a new podcast exploring NLP, aka neurolinguistic programming. Is it a self-help miracle, a shady hypnosis scam, or both?

Listen to Mind Games on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In 1969, Malcolm and Martin are gone. America is in crisis. At a Morehouse college, the students make their move. These students, including a young Samuel L. Jackson, locked up the members of the Board of Trustees, including Martin Luther King's senior.

It's the true story of protests and rebellion in black American history that you'll never forget. I'm Hans Charles. I'm Manilic Lamouber. Listen to the A building on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.