Games with Names - “The Snowvertime Game” with LeSean McCoy | Colts vs. Bills

Episode Date: February 1, 2024

LeSean McCoy is in studio! He's a 2x Super Bowl Champion, Pitt legend, and the man they call Shady. He was a beast in snow games so it’s only right that we revisit his walk-off TD against Indy in 2017 aka “The Snowvertime Game.” Shady joins us on the couch (4:09). We go back to December 2017 (33:30). We dive into each roster and the game (47:55). We score this game (1:29:55). We wrap it up by answering some DMs (1:35:09). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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We're talking the 2017 Snover time game The cool thing about the snow What people don't understand is that When I get tackled it's like Falling on pillows And they can't get their traction But I can

Sign me up So are you the greatest snow running back of all time? I don't know I'm saying yes We're gonna see a lot of insane takes. You always get your popcorn ready when Shady is here. Everybody's so sensitive. Listen, on TV, in the locker room, I'm the same way.

I just speak the truth. I used to believe that your coach, Bill Belichick, was one of the greatest coaches of all time, right? Used to. But now, I updated my information. And that is super false you go from the top of the division top of the asc east for 20 years now you're at the bottom we in brentwood we we are in brown oj got out of prison can we go see his house

games with names is a production of i heartartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names, presented by Winbet. And on today's episode, we're talking the 2017 Snover Time game with Shady LaShawn McCoy. Is it a Stone Cold Steve Austin type thing? Like, if you said Steve Stone Cold Austin, that just doesn't work. Shady, it's almost like you just replaced, you never hear LaShawn and Shady in the same place. Oh, I just think of it as Shady.

It's Shady. I honestly, I got screwed up when I saw LaShawn. I knew that was his name, but everyone knows him as Shady. I'm with you. It's like a Batman, Bruce Wayne thing. You're never going to see them in the same room. You're never going to see them. You can't.

But you know what we're going to see? We're going to see a lot of insane takes. Oh my gosh. Topics, snow game, Belichick versus Reed talk, Hall of Fame talk, a lot more. This guy had some I mean, you're always

you always get your popcorn ready when Shady is here. Oh, big time. I mean, we were holding our own, too. It turned into a little debate, but good news, we're master debaters. He just wants to debate. I was conflicted. And then at the end of the day, we're going to win every time. Rings, baby.

Kiss the rings. You got to kiss the rings. And Bill, we trust. Glock management. Bill, all day. Two great coaches. baby kiss the rings you gotta kiss and bell we in bill we trust clock management well just bill all day two great coaches but one's just on a different you know yes all right and then we're gonna wrap up the episode we opened up the dms fans are sending us recommendations of games they want us to do guests they want us to have on We'll come through a couple of them and see what we think. Let's do it. Let's do it.

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December 10th, 2017, New Era Field, Orchard Park, New York. As 16 inches of Lake Effect snow falls from the heavens, LaShawn McCoy in the All Reds. Streaks for the end zone. This is the Snovertime Game. Eh. Welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet. Today we have LaShawn shady mccoy in studio two-time superbowl

champ two different teams six-time pro bowler the king of the 2010s current host to speak on fs1 and new teammate of mine first time i'll get to enjoy and experience the real Shady McCoy and future Hall of Famer. Yeah. You see the backs of the Hall of Fame? You see them other dudes? Are you kidding me? We just had to get it right. We had to get it right.

We got guys in there with two left feet in the Hall of Fame. Who is the guy with two left feet in the Hall of Fame? A couple of them. A couple of them with two left feet. Give me some names, Shady. A couple of them with no real numbers. A couple of them give me some names with no real numbers couple of them that has been with a whole bunch of great players on the team like it's a lot of them guys i'm gonna do your homework i'm listening to your home who shady the thing is this you can't

just go that's hey so i i just text my boy i'm like yo i got my boy i got shady coming on he's like yo you gotta ask him you know is ever going to take accountability for these outlandish takes that he has sometimes? And this is. Let's talk about it. Let's see. The thing is, is that people are so used to just the normal, right? Yeah.

If you say anything outside the normal, it's like, oh, he's tripping. He's crazy. But when you break it down, I mean, everything I say is factual, you know? Now, it's all opinions, right? It's just no filter that's what it is i just there's always that guy in the locker room that just says it how it is if even if there's feelings involved yeah he's still gonna say it because that's there's that's just there's you're that you're that guy now now we both play with tom and i love i play with him that's a year i love tom right and you play with longer so obviously the love is probably different um but gronk i know gronk very well from just like pro bowls and like little commercials you do together we just got cool and then my agent was

his agent rose house so we were tighter than tom but they can tell you how i am that listen on tv or in the locker room i'm the same way the way i am and when walk them to now, that's one thing that I'm always going to be 100 and authentic. That's the problem nowadays. Everybody's so sensitive. If you say this guy can't play, it's like, oh, my God. If you say this dude is this and that, it's like it's an issue. I just speak the truth.

At the moment. All the time. Because things change. Like, you can say something. That's right. And then something else can happen. I understand. I respect that. like for example like I said you know a while ago I used to believe that you know your

coach bill Belichick was one of the greatest coach of all time right used to but now today I updated my information and that is super false super let's. I mean, the guy that used to wear them big boots at quarterback, Brady, once he left, we've seen the real Belichick. We've seen the same Belichick before he got to the Patriots. Which one is that? You know that. The one with the Browns where he took the Browns to the playoffs and they were about to go to the playoffs.

They were a sexy team to go to the AFC Championship, but then in the middle of the night, they announced that they're taking the team to Baltimore and they show up to work. Fans are throwing things. There's riots in the streets. The Cleveland people were pissed. Distraction.

Then they suck off that year. But like, all right, I get it. He had five years there, right? Or four? I think five. Jackie, what do we got? By the way, this is Jack. He's in down here.

Well, Sean, good to see you, man. That guy, right? Something like that. The small pit guy is always there. I'm a guy with Google. I'm a guy with Google over here. For four or five years, he's been with the Browns. I can't remember.

91 to 95. But guess what? He only had one winning season. There's one. There's one of them. The Browns. When's the last time they – I don't care what –

Belichick. I mean, what are we talking about? And then the back stat of them all is that without Tom Brady as his quarterback, do you know what he is? Do you know what he is? I think he's like 500. He's barely touching 500. And you watch them boys now, right?

They don't look nothing like they used to look. Back in the day, when I was with the Bills, they cut this dude named Jamie Collins. I was sitting there like, they cut this dude named Jamie Collins. Yeah. I was sitting there like, they cut him? Most athletic guy. He's their best player on defense.

We used to watch him. I played for the Bills. We played twice a year. We used to watch him on tape. He could cover. He could sack. He could play the run. He was the best player.

Hightower was good, but I thought Jamie Collins was better. Well, me and the office thought he was better. How you cut a guy like that? Because you know you got 12. Nowadays, you know what they doing? They paying everybody to come there to come there we'll pay all this extra money to come over here think about it though yeah i mean you got to find a quarterback is mac the guy yet i mean rome went built overnight shady like you got to think about it a 20-year dynasty a 20-year dynasty 20 years right and uh tom is like a lot to do uh you know what i mean yeah but okay but once once that crumbles because of the salary cap then you get into all these

crazy things and you got to go and try to find like it's tough to like when you're rome and the shit crashes it's hard to come back to become rome again not right away two things here though and by the way when you're evaluating at least when i evaluate it's like i remember talking with the owners and they were telling they're like yeah we don't evaluate every year of our organization we do it in 10 year increments which we don't have any patience for anyone or any that nowadays. And I understand. And right now it's not looking good. It's not looking good for Bill.

But I'm just saying as a guy in the end that was there, motherfucker laid out a template and it was based off of his best players having to make that template go. Right. And he just so happened to have the best football. Yes. But that template, a lot of those characteristics that

tom had yeah when he went to tampa right i mean it was probably because he was around that template but my thing is so when if all that's true you go from the top of the division top of the asce for 20 years now you're at the bottom and my question to you is they're at the bottom. And my question to you is. They're at the bottom right now. Where they at? Were they bottom last year? They finished fourth last year? They did. I can't make this up.

They made the playoffs the year with the rookies. Got smoked by 30. But look, this is the thing, though. This is the issue, though. So that's just true. So you went from the top to the bottom. Cool. It happens.

It happens. But when I look at other great coaches, like Andy Reid, like Sean Payton, all these other coaches, right? Now, Belichick's career, his resume is better, right? Andy Reid, no matter who the quarterback is, no matter whoever's playing around, they're not going to be terrible. Right? Think about this for a second. He's an offensive guy.

That's his thing. I don't know about offense. I'm saying as a team. As a team, wherever he goes, they're not going to be. Did he draft Alex Smith? No. He got him from San Francisco. He got got from san francisco he inherited he got it from san francisco after he had that little thunder in there and then kaepernick and they

traded cap yeah they traded him because it was like okay they said he was a outspoken was a bus he's on a bus route oh he's not but then he then he picked it up those last two years with with her ball i don't know if you want to call it that and then he got hurt yeah great day they're one of the best defenses of all time. They still do. And they ran the ball crazy. But anyway, he comes from the Niners to the Chiefs and instantly become like a Pro Bowl player. They went in the playoffs.

Andy Reid goes to the Chiefs. They're terrible. They weren't winning. They get there with Andy Reid. They start winning. The Eagles, they were trash, right? He gets there. They start winning.

So my point to you is, okay, Belichick's been in the same division for 25 years, so the whole division's designed to try to beat him. Not no more. Not anymore, but that's what happens. People can't wait to play the Patriots now. So I don't want to make this about him. I don't think the quarterbacks do.

I don't know what that means. I don't know. I just know this. They don't look disciplined. They don't think the quarterbacks do. I don't know what that means. I don't know. I just know this. They don't look disciplined. They don't look – they don't play smart football like they used to play. I don't see no development in the players. Now I'm being serious. Before, I was like, damn, he got better.

That guy got better. Damn, they look disciplined. We always just say this, playing the Patriots, they won't beat their selves. Now when I watch them – I can't argue that. You can't. I watch them. I can't argue that. You can't. These are facts. I can't argue that right now.

Come on. With the fundamentals. But he's still a great coach. I think he's a really good coach. I do. Do you ever ask Tom? I won't even put this on air. But Tom, he's smart.

He ain't going to go back and forth with me. He'll do stuff like this. He might smile. One time I did a take on Belichick, and he seen it, and he DM'd me laughing. Now, he didn't get into it. You know Tom is like, but he laugh like he knew. He know what's going on.

I get it. I get it. Yeah. But Shady, what do you say when people bring up the ring disparity? Eight rings to three rings. Bella check to read. Tom Brady.

What about my home? Let me ask you a question though. All right. You know, my home's only been starting for about five years, right? Right. You know that. That's like what Tom was doing.

Oh, yeah. Patrick Mahomes has been to five AFC Championship games in a row. He's been to three Super Bowls, two winners. You tell me. You could do it like that. The matter of any way he had Tom Brady, you know what that would look like? See, God knows what he's doing. God, he don't want to give him that power, boy.

He even ran 15 championships. Come on. You know what I'm saying? What are we talking about here? What are we talking about? Then when he got there, he had all them freaking Hall of Fame defensive players. He's such a great defensive coach. I'm thinking like, is he?

Because he had LT. That was hard to coach. Hey, man, put your mouthpiece in. He's the first guy to ever make nickel for the San Francisco 49ers. Andy Reid was on that staff.

So they tell you that. Okay, look. He's the first, literally, he was the first guy to pull a linebacker out. Then we go to, so LT,

then he goes to the Patriots, right? Yeah. We're going to skip over that Brown segment because that was real bad. They were good. Good for one year. Competitive. Then we go to the Patriots. They had all these Hall of Fame defensive players.

My first year was 2009. I remember playing a dude named Richard Sehorne. He played for the Raiders. And they was like, man, he's really good. You should should see when he was younger. I'm not younger. He was a beast. Watch him as a young dude.

Didn't leave him a cornerback in the head. He drafted him. Good. All I'm saying is when you talk about how great of a coach he is, then they go to the defense. Now, he is crafty with the way he schemes. I'll give him that. I'll give him credit because I played against him.

But you can't get credit for all them great defensive players. Like, bro, at one time you went in. Do you remember when All-Famous was on air? There's a lot of them, bro. There's a lot of them. At one time. Yeah, but he was a huge part of getting them there. Their defense was so good that Asante Sam was one of the best defensive

players I've seen, especially as a corner. You know how good he is. He was good. He wasn't even starting at the time. They had, like, law. a corner. You know how good he is. He was good. He wasn't even starting at the time. They're like law and – what's the other joke? I forget his name. Anyway, that team was loaded. They were.

Then God just gives him time. Like, come on, man. I hate to do this to your guy, but you know what I'm saying. You can't say it. I can say it. You can't say it. But the thing is, every great coach has a quarterback linked to them. Andy Reid ain't linked to anything he's done before this Kansas City team.

Can't say that. Yeah, you can. One of the most offensive minds in football? Yeah, but he never won Super Bowls. Like, we keep on. It's hard to do. That's hard to do. It's very hard to do.

And if you don't have Tom Brady, you're not going to win that many that quick. Probably not. Give him a guy like Mahomes. You see how that shit going. Yeah. You got a generational talent. That's all I'm saying, bro. So that's the common factor.

You got to have a generational talent. I mean, Andy's done it. There's many ways over the wall. You can go around it. You can go under it. You can go over it. If Andy had under it. You can go over it. If Andy had the Patriots, they would win games. They wouldn't be like the bums of the division.

They wouldn't have the defense, though. Our team played like complimentary football. I don't know. All I'm saying is that if Andy Reid, right today, right? If Tom left, I'm going to the table. Cool. And they brought Andy Reid in there, right? Where? To the Patriotsots they will be winning games the quarterback that he plays around with he starts in one game they don't all that kid he does and he would make mac jones he would make he

would make mac jones a better player than he is today you will see development let's tell you the truth i mean that's a good take he's always he's always done it, though. And he's always done that. Better and better and better and better and better. So did he draft Donovan McNabb? Drafted him. How about this? Doug Peterson was the quarterback first. Yeah, I remember that.

I remember hearing that story. And Andy drafts very well. Two seconds. Drafted McNabb. Drafted myself. Deshaun Jackson. Travis Kelsey. Jason Kelsey.

Patrick Mahomes. Jason Kelsey. Jason Tyreek Hill Jeremy Macklin I could do this forever he drafts good offensive guys it's the same way bill goes on defense I mean after that Hall of Fame group I mean we, we ain't seen no more of that since. Right? I mean, yeah. There were some good defenses we played on. We never feared the Patriots defense. Which one? Which team? I mean, I got there in, what, 15? How many times did you beat us when you were in Buffalo?

Never beat you guys. Yeah, right. And then we went to Philly. Ain't because of the defense. Ain't because it was a great defense. What about? It's because it's big dude, 6'5", with these big boots and a quarterback. Chin. Yeah. Good chin. Let's go, guys. Let's'5", with these big boots and a quarterback. Chin.

Yeah. Good chin. Let's go, guys. Let's go, babe. You know, let's go, babe. Because of him. The octave gets higher and higher the more fiery he up. Oh, he.

Yo. I got some Tom stories, though. We'll save it. That was just us shooting the shit. We got to get in there. Messing around? Let's get to it. Let's get into it.

Come on, Bill. Let's tell us why you picked the game, the snow overtime game. Colts versus Bills, week 14, 2017. Why did I pick it? Yeah. Why did you pick this one? I didn't pick it. Who picked it?

I thought Shady picked it. I didn't pick it. I mean, I had a good game here, but I didn't pick it. Who? We got it from your people that you want to do this game. I got a lot of good. I mean, I had a good game here, but I didn't pick it. Who? We got it from your people that you want to do this game. I got a lot of good. I mean, this is a good game. We got a lot of good games.

I had a lot of good games, so we can pick this one. We go to whatever you want to do. You were great in the snow. Yeah, we can do the snow game. This is another one. This is another snow game. The other one had 20 yards, but this one I had like. One what?

You had the walk-off. Time out real quick. You said this before. That's the play. Iad said brandon he's lying i don't remember he ain't played no defense and you know what they looked it up and i said oh shit that's damn i didn't know that he jumped right over me yeah looking at those sneakers but hold up i gotta give you some flowers though too though because i remember watching you play you always play with like um a lot of heart tough like who the little white dude over there you

won't you making dudes miss you catching the ball and you fight after the catch you know that's something you only see a lot you know dudes they hit the hit the deck when they yeah wore my body out and you block block you got it don't leave me hanging come on you got it why was he didn't block for me i would do stuff like this i would run hard as into their back right so i had a lot of fans got like the sean jackson back then so they got smart what they would do is so they're always blocking they run the graph they're running around that's cool you gotta know it's man though that's just not man you're in trouble you get well they got that type of speed they got they you know you back it off a little bit yeah i'm running that i will put my whole right in the back boom yeah got a block dude got a block well we don't

know why you picked this game but you have plenty of games right yeah i do i have a lot of a lot of them yeah a lot of good ones yeah i like how this is set up This is perfect This whole transition from the Fox sport I like all this This is like a New England Ran podcast Very detailed Detail oriented, fundamentally sound I like that

Jack That's what they say, sloppiness is a disease Sloppiness is a disease You Sloppiness is a disease. You can't win until you keep from losing. We got to preach those old things that I heard in New England to New England right now. My first year playing with a dude named Patrick Chung. Yeah, P. Chung. We were in the same draft class, but I didn't know him.

But when he came to Philadelphia from the Patriots, I don't know what it's about Patriots players that maybe might be jealousy that you know players against them don't really care for them that much right yeah guys don't so he came to the Eagles who cool dude when I got to know him and I remember saying uh yeah they say this all that Patriots scheme this ain't gonna work here you gotta tackle me you know I'm talking trash to him like because I didn't respect his game and he was the first dude to say okay he can play it's not the Patriots scheme he actually is a good player and we became cool after that i beat him a lot but he would get me sometimes chung i mean that was good though we were driving the same year

oh i'm 2009 as well oh i don't know okay okay okay okay so me and chung we would fight every day in practice like our first three years every fucking day just because i had to come in and get the force the safety he'd be that guy and there's like no brother-in-law in that practice like you sometimes you certain guys chung we even go hard i go harder right because chung's feisty yeah yeah he got yeah he got a little dog he's got some he's got some that dude's crazy yeah but. You the same way? Yeah, there's a lot of those guys over there. How's the transition been going to TV, Fox?

Because you're getting some play now. Full time on Speak. You used to just come in and they just said, hey, we want you. You know what? Mine was – I won't say difficult, but it was different because, like, I didn't go to a lot of different, like, boot camps and stuff like that. And I would do, like, media and stuff like that just as a player and once i got done i enjoyed a couple months of just living like i small things like taking your kid to school i've never can do that and i was like damn i like this and traveling and stuff like that but then i got bored right i said

let me get into this whole TV thing. And I went in there and my people reached to, you know, different networks and I felt more comfortable with Fox because you'd be more free. Yeah. And I loved it. I mean, it's helped me out with staying relevant in the football world, but also just, I think a standpoint of like missing a game,

but being close enough where I'm not actually playing and getting hit. It's the best. It's because like we all need a football fix if you're a football player. Yes, sir. And then,

you know, there's like a couple different avenues you can go. You can go coaching. That's a lot too. When you were a player and you were leaving work, which you were already putting in hell hours.

Your coaches families were in the fucking parking lot watching and saying hi before they go back for another three hours. At least, you know, coaches, they work. So like you got to love. I love football, but I did my time. Right. I can't. That's that's too much time. This is the perfect amount of time

where you get your football fix you get a little locker room vibe with the people that you're casting with yes where you guys could talk war stories and shit like i when i did inside the nfl for two years you know i had phil sims ray lewis brandon marshall so you get to sit a lot of stories mike irvin like you get to hear and like That's what you do in the locker room, bust each other's balls and talk shit. And then you get to have an actual life, too, with it. I think TV's awesome. It keeps you in the game. Yeah, it does.

Because now I'm watching more film with everyone. I used to just watch your opponent. That's the hardest thing for me is knowing people's names. I just know people's numbers. You study, all right, he's quicker than fast, this, that. He uses offhand jam. You're just going numbers. Now you got to know names.

See, and that was one thing for me that was tough. Because I've had some struggles with TV. Like, for example, like now I'm getting better at it because I'm so raw and new at it. Yeah. Where I call Dak Prescott ass. I'm lying. I say ass ass. But in all reality, I should have said it differently.

Like, he's playing like ass. Because this is a lot of ass quarterbacks. He's not. He's not ass ass. Yeah. He ain't that good. But is he one ass? But I should have said more like he's playing like ass.

Because I think he's an average, above average quarterback. Right? He's not. He's not. He's not. He's not. What's the guy from the Bears? He's not a Justin Fields.

He ain't that. You know what I mean? He's a – I think he's like – By average. By average. He's basically a cooler Kirk Cousins. I think they're the same person. That's what I mean.

He's cooler. His persona is cooler. I don't know about that. Kirk's got like nerd vibe and like, Dak's got brand. Like, you know. I mean, he plays for the Cowboys. I don't know how much, how cool he is. Like, I don't.

He don't come off as, like, cool. But he doesn't come off as a nerd. I don't think Kurt comes off as a nerd. He got the chains on. He got the. He's on the little thing. I don't. He comes off.

He gives you nerd vibes. Okay. Well, that's. That's how you see it. But anyway. All great quarterbacks have nerd in them, though. Tommy was not nerdy. That gives you nerd vibes. Okay. Well, that's how you see it. But anyway. All great quarterbacks have nerd in them, though. Tommy was not nerdy.

Tom's got a little nerd in him, bro. Do we? Yeah. You didn't get to see real Tom. You guys rented him. We rented him? We rented Tom. We bought him.

Tom didn't open up. No, I mean, first of all, it's certain quarterbacks. Quarterbacks ain't going to be cool overall anyway. Like Patrick Mahomes got a little nerd in him. He's like dorky nerd sometimes. I hung out with that kid before he was Patrick Mahomes' rookie year. He's just got a little nerd in him. I won't call him that. But, I mean, I guess all quarterbacks.

Nerds are cool, but it's still nerd. All quarterbacks have like a – like not a cool thing, but it's like they're the quarterbacks. Like, you know what I mean? They're not gonna be super. Now Vic was super cool. Vic is cool. But like his sideburns, I tell him that every time I see him.

I said, yo dude, I used to go to my barber and I say, yo, give me the Vic sideburns. You know where the little- Give me the Vic sideburns. They go down to here. Bro, Vic is, I ain't gonna lie, when he came to Philadelphiailadelphia my rookie year me deshawn and back we're all young he was god and we was like yo michael victor stopped in the building

now we came through oh what up mike what's up yeah what's up what's up bro what's up nice to meet you homie i'm shady nice to meet you he leave i'm like yo he just shook my hand like oh call my mom like yo vix here so that was a crazy thing to be like that he's like the everybody's idol it'd be games where like dudes are going back and forth and it's getting disrespectful vick speak everybody chill out so he was cool but as far as quarterbacks they all are just like okay with the whole coolness and all that vick's different status for when it comes to swag though like okay you, you can't put Vic in the nerd category. That's true.

You know, but a lot of quarterbacks got a little. Josh Allen. What you going to say about him? He's got a little nerd in him? Does he? No. No? Nah.

What you say about him? I said I saw. You know what the word is? Not nerd is going to be. He got reckless in him. Yeah, he has a lot of that. It's almost over. He's so reckless. I'm just saying it's almost. Over is over. Not, he does a lot of that. It's almost over. He's so reckless.

I'm just saying it's almost over. Not over, but I'm saying we keep on saying the same thing about Josh Allen. Each year. He's that talented, though. He's going to make – I know, but when does it become a problem? Yo, man, listen, his – When's he got a – I was on TV talking about this.

They thought I was tripping. I said, if a guy like Dak Prescott has the most picks last year and plays five less games, right, everybody's alarmed. Like, oh, what the heck? Right? But when there's certain talented dudes where they're ceiling is so high and their baggage is they could be productive running the ball, throwing the ball, but they're going to bring picks,

you're going to take that luggage just because he's so good. And a dude like Brett Favve had a lot of that inning yeah only won one only one he went there twice you know how hard is it to win championships see see that's the problem that y'all your patrons people have y'all think arab i was just winning championships every year it don't happen like that brother nerds are no nerds they don't win like that if you're an all-time great at that position, you should have more. There's less than you think. Especially when you got Belichick.

There's less than you think. Especially when you got Belichick. Hold on. How many courts do you think is running around here just having all these championships? You think Peyton Manning's a great quarterback, right? Right? He's got two. He only has two.

Drew Brees is one of the most accurate courts I've ever seen. He has one. Aaron Rodgers is so great. He has one. So when you look at these numbers yeah but they're lower on the totem pole of the greats who's on the top what do you just thought you played a V12 that's it oh he didn't he's he'd be 12. he's the best player out of everybody Tom is you got You got Joe Montana. Got four. At what? He got four championships.

Yeah. Who else? Come on. This is going to get real hard. I mean, yeah, it gets hard with the multiple. But you have to, like, I don't know, man. Like Troy Aitman. Where's our – Troy Aitman has how many?

Three. How good was he? He ain't nowhere near these dudes we talking about. Nowhere near these guys we talking about. You get what I'm saying? So when I look at Josh Allen I agree with that What's up with Josh Allen?

So I play with him, he's a rookie He always had that in him He gets real wild up I know, and that's something you think you can coach out of a guy But we're year seven now I don't think he'll never get rid of that I think he can maybe a little bit That'll lose you games though, Shady

And he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet And he's got a talented roster See, that's the thing I get back to He's got a very talented roster People be talking like he's a loser He's going to lose you games, though, Shady. And he hasn't won a Super Bowl yet. And he's got a talented roster. See, this is the thing that I get back to. He's got a very talented roster. People will be talking like he's a loser. He's not. He's not a loser. Okay, so hold up.

So the same way he's been playing, he's played that same way for the last three, four years. Right? I would say he's gotten a little worse ever since Dayball left. Well, Dayball's a hell of a coach. I know that. I mean, I know he coached. Yeah, I know. But wouldn't you say his production, yes, he's been electric.

And no one's taking talent away from Josh Allen. But I'm saying him at the quarterback position, executing at a high level. And we can all talk about the regular season and stuff, but these things are happening in the most important games that he's playing where he's turning the ball over in the red area he's turning and it's it's constantly happening when is it like all right we gotta like what what do you do with that i hope you don't i mean what do you do with that which which you what option especially with a such a quarterback dense league right now so

with there's an option that because that team's gonna blow up here soon but the option that I'm about to say that can't happen is that you get rid of him. No, you're not going to get rid of him. Because what I'm saying is maybe he can turn it down a little bit, but that's who he is. And if you really look at the numbers, right, the dude wins, bro. Yeah, he wins. I'm not saying – But he wins in that fashion.

He wins in that wild fashion. I'm going to throw the ball crazy. I'm running the ball wild. I'm going to fumble. But we're going to win this game. It's the truth. An Andy Reid, Patrick Mahomes team don't make those mistakes in the playoffs. That's true.

And I'm not talking about Josh Allen as like a 7-8 quarterback. We're talking about him vying to be a number one quarterback in this league. And with those kind of things that's that's where i'm putting him because of the talent he needs to be in that upper echelon and like those things you made a good point i just think there's there's no other quarterback in the league like him there isn't bro there's no so it's like they all got different superpowers everyone got a superpower you know that he has the most all of them i've so i heard from a player that played with him and a guy that has played with daniel jones and he says daniel jones is way more accurate than him and the thing is that dude

you're talking about you shouldn't even talk to him no more about no sports that should be a last conversation so you should go to something so where you eat what's the accuracy pure accuracy does he play in new york right now no or is – where does he live at? I don't know. I'm not throwing this guy. No, no, no, no. I'm just saying. The next question should have been, damn, so what are you eating tonight for dinner?

What do you want to – After he said that, it's your normal football conversation. Ever. How's the kids? You know what I'm saying? Nice car you got, bro. Nice. Change subject.

What's he talking about? Note to self. Daniel Jones looked like he – Come on, man. I ain't about to diss Daniel Jones because he dissed himself subject. What's he talking about? Note to self. Daniel Jones looked like he... Come on, man. I ain't about to diss Daniel Jones because he dissed himself enough. What are we talking about? Next question.

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podcasts. So we got a segment where we go back in the time of where this game took place. This game took place December 10th, 2017. And the number one movie was Coco. You ever seen that? I've never heard that movie. It's an animation, right? More for the kids. More for the kids. Hey, buddy that movie. It's like it's an animation, right? What do you got, Jack? More for the kids.

More for the kids. Hey, buddy. Rocky. What's up, Rocky? What's up? What's up? I got to rock while I do this all day. He's kind of easy.

He don't want to rock while I teach. Nah. I just play this out. Easy. He's cool, dog. He's a lovey. Lovey-dovey. Yeah. Yeah.

Number one song, Rockstar by Post Malone. That went. I love that song. Featuring 21st Century. Post Malone. I remember when I do Marley Mall. You ever hear of Marley Mall? Mm-hmm.

Anyway, I was at his house, and I met Post Malone. This was before he was big. And he was like, yo, I'm going to be a big-ass star. I'm looking at him like, you? He's smoking cigarettes. He was braided then too, right? Braided, yes. I said, well, good luck.

And sure enough, he's a big star. I'm happy for him, man. There's always those. That cigarette had me tricked for a second. Why? He's like 20-something years old years old little cigarette i'm gonna be a big star man i'm telling you man and he did it happy so you thought that because of the cigarette like the way he smoked the cigarette it was cool factor that maybe it could happen or what was it

it was more like i've never seen a 20 something year old kid smoking cigarettes i never really you grew up in Pennsylvania. No one smoked cigarettes out there? They smoked weed at 22 years old. Do they? Yeah. Cigarettes is like an old people thing. It's probably a coastal thing.

Like your grandma. Hey, go get me a Lucy from the store. Okay, Grandma. Go get the cigarette. Yeah. We used to have to give them notes. See what I'm saying? But the kids, like 20, 21, 20, they smoking weed.

Everyone nowadays is a vape. All these kids vape, bro. It's crazy. They vape the flavored tobacco. I know, but I guess the look of a cigarette is like some old people thing. It's kind of cool. And he was this red. You smoke cigarettes?

No. Oh, he smoked like this, though. That's really killed me. Like, oh. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh. That was like this white cigarette? Then he turns around and drops white Irish.

Come on. Come on. Right. Like, one of my favorite songs is Smoke Cigarettes. I don't know. I went out to Amsterdam. Oh, nice. And he was performing there.

And we got linked up. And we played beer bong before and after the show for hours. He was cool, dude. He was cool. Cool as cool dude though cool cool as hell he cools out just the syria just threw me for a loop yeah at 20 you know what i mean so if you're smoking cigarettes and you're under the age of 22 shady thinks this is like what the are you doing yeah i'm with you right am i tripping in here yeah you gotta go to europe all the kids out there are smoking we need to smoking we need to just have you do

PSAs for non-smoking for anyone under the age of 22 I'm not on it I love that that's good we got children you got a 3 year old I got a 6 year old I agree we need PSA around this time Virgil

drops his Nike collab the 10 you remember do you have any virgils uh i never really got into his i don't wear sneakers i wear like shoes you know i'm saying like these products i don't really get crazy with like how much you know you're rich no no no i just never even when i was a kid like i mean can we just we haven't even talked about the we oh no is that does it spin no no no the spinners yeah that was our time that was our time i'm not a crazy jewelry guy i used to be you're not a crazy jewelry guy you have a big ass piece on and a watch that is literally i we had to put that blind up there so the light wouldn't hit me in the eye off those diamonds there was a certain time man i was like crazy with it if i was to tell you some of the dumb stuff i used to purchase

i thought i was a rapper i think i don't know but anyway i have all this crazy jewelry on not no more it's like this is lights this is like you can't do it in l.a either you get ganged out here i mean i'm gonna do wherever i'm at in the city i don't know get your purse took i don't know if it up is i don city. I don't know. Get your purse took. I don't know if LA is crazy like Philadelphia. It's different now, though. One's way, way worse. Yeah, but I've been seeing people like, I watch those videos. I've seen dudes getting taken out of cars over on Beverly Hills.

Taken out of the car? Yeah, for a watch. For those APs or those Richard Mills. Crazy. Question. watch for those aps or those that's why richard mills crazy question what was life like for leshawn mccoy in 2017 so how many years in are you right now you're probably what five six yeah so i'm thinking um you're breaded yeah i'm breaded you're breaded this was in buffalo so i had a i had a big deal in philly and then when i got traded in 15, they gave me a new deal. I remember you got traded, you were so pissed.

I was like, this guy's gonna be a problem in our division. And then, so 17 was nice, man. This year, Pro Bowl year, like sixth in rushing, I think, fifth in rushing, had a good year, we didn't win. Went to the playoffs this year though. You know, Buffalo was, that was a, that was tough that transition

from going to Philadelphia to Buffalo. You know, cause like my home, my house where I grew up at, is an hour away from the stadium, right? Yeah. So getting traded, it was like, it was just, I was the best, second best player on the team at the time. Behind? Jason Peters.

Oh, my. He's the best player I ever played with not being a quarterback. Yeah. And I played with some dudes. Jason was different. Anyway, and then going there, I was just like, damn. I just didn't feel comfortable. Small things you don't even think of, like have a bad game, I'm going home.

Not to my house where I live at, but to my house where my parents live at, our way. Small things like that. And all my family was there and everything. And then they go to Buffalo, it's not a big city. It's cold, there's nothing really there. Easy, it's cold. But I got to love it. It's a great city though.

Good people that live there, had some good coaches. fans great fans those fans are nuts like and i was sitting like like on our way in and out i would it was like it was like a thing you got ready for when you see all the fucking crazy shit people jumping doing bro that stuff is people think see real quick they think it's a game i'm saying yo that stuff they doing on TV and all that, they doing for real. Yeah. Our first, we had our first Thursday night game in Buffalo. They didn't have it for so long, right? It was Thursday, the game.

Monday, there were RVs parked out. I'm like, damn, the game ain't for three more days. They go crazy, bro. Crazy. Yeah, so that's weird. And there's like a camping area. Yes, it is. Yes go crazy, bro. Crazy. Yeah, so that's weird. And there's like a camping area. Yes, it is. Yes.

It's weird. Yep. Yep. Yeah. And I love Buffalo. What happened in sports? NFL MVP, Tom Brady. We both played for him.

I got a question. Who's better, Tom or Pat? Hold on. No more questions about that. Tom is the best player to ever touch football. So until Mahomes goes out there and – because Mahomes is badass. He is. Mahomes is – my first practice with him.

Me and Andy Reid are tight. My first practice, I get there and he fakes the ball. What year? This is 2020. No, no, no, no. 2019. Takes the ball, fakes to me, I run outside. And I'm thinking he's gonna throw,

he looks me off, right? I'm like the third option, you know? Didn't look, the check down. He's looking like he's about to throw the ball to like a over route, makes sense. And he whips that shit to me, ooh, I was like, oh! I've never seen a quarterback throw a bullet, no look. That was the first time I seen it and Andy

Reid smiled at me like you know that's our guy I'm like this dude is really that good bro and hold on he was so good that he taught me that the stuff he was doing he he only started for because he sat the bench the first year yeah people don't know that the next year he came out he went crazy but he was so good he wasn't even like um he needed more development so like small things jumping back in the pocket the pressure comes i'm gonna step up deliver the ball he didn't do that he he would wait he would he would run around all that crazy because he still was learning yeah he was still new from say yo in three four or five years this league's gonna be scary because this dude is gonna get better and his better he's already he's already up here just good yeah if he gets better it's gonna be scary it already is it already is and he throws a football like a bit

like baseball yep everything like a baseball that's his name his dad his pops yeah his pops is funny too is he i? I'm smoking that barrel. You didn't see that? Oh, you didn't see that? The vid? Yeah. Yeah, it was after. Was it after the Super Bowl or something?

Goddamn arrowhead. Goddamn barrelhead. I'm smoking that barrel. I love that. He seems like a character. Yeah, that's cool. He seems cool. Eagles won.

Mayweather-McGregor fight. Ugh. That was. Did you watch watch that William Brentwood what OJ got out of prison we got we we are in Brown can we go see his house we can't after if you want it's the juice real quick I don't condone none of that craziness but the juice was loose when he got out of jail oh he's definitely loose he got out of jail, oh, he's definitely loose. When he got out of jail, though, my number was the first jersey he wore. Can I brag about that or no?

I mean, it is the juice. Jack, can he brag about that? I mean, not many people can say that. Come on. Did you guys ever meet? We talked on a, did we talk? I think we did talk before.

I mean, it's OJ. I didn't want to talk too much to him. You can't. You know what I mean? I don't know. I piss him off. I might not even... But I'm a fan of his football stuff. The glove don't fit.

You must have quit. But they said, rest in peace, Johnny Cochran. Dude. He's safe up there. That was insane. That whole thing. Did you watch the yeah there's like i watched them all i remember it like it was yesterday it was it was a 94 or something

did he do it definitely did it didn't he and my dog i mean this is crazy right let's say this yeah. So what were we doing in social media? Go get me fired, man. Social media in 2017. What do we got, Jack? Man, we were a couple weeks before this game, they announced we had the color rush going for the Bills, the all reds. Those were kind of fire. And then afterwards, of course, to help the Bills get in the playoffs,

Andy Dalton beat the Ravens, wasn't it? He did. Yep, yep. And they saw him on his money. What's it called? Like the GoFundMe? That's right. They raised like tons of money.

Spoiler alert. I thought you was about to put up there about the Avengers. Oh, we didn't want to let you slide on that. We didn't want to let you slide on that. We knew about that. You told everyone I followed you. I never watched the movie't let you slide on that. We knew about that. You told everyone I followed you. I never watched the movie because you gave me the spot. I knew what happened.

You got to blame my 11-year-old son because, you know, first of all, I want to apologize to the people out there. I'm sorry. I take full accountability for that. I should have known better. But the thing is, as an all-pro running back i never just i wasn't big on watching green monsters fight each other but when i was a kid i did i loved the hawk when i was a kid wolverine spider-man when i was a child cool but as a daughter i'm

not watching that but my son does and we have this thing where i treat him like an adult right we have interviews so i'm always like you need to communicate better you know I mean so why'd you have bad day in school and I need him sit there and tell me why so we start doing that and it became a interview process and from so I have a bad game and my son be like well dad what happened you fun with the ball like right yeah so we go to movies do the same thing the thing is the movie was so such a big movie. So when Iron Man dude died, it was like an interview. Like, whoa, man, how you feel about him dying? And that's how it happened.

That's how the truth happened. Then I tweeted about it. But you don't want to hear that. You don't care about that. You ruined a lot of the... Those people are probably really mad about that. People get mad about that. I've been in a grocery store

I see an old lady or old man and I'm thinking about talking about fantasy because you know from there's never been a running back that had better numbers

than fantasy from 2010 from a one decade that's truth an old decade team yeah right so I'm thinking

oh lady oh show you all my fantasy man Ola you spoiled the end game I'm like oh she's pissed man I'm sorry can oh, show you all my fantasy. Man, O.A. cussed me. You spoiled the end game. I'm like, oh, she's pissed. Man, I'm sorry. Can I pay for your groceries? You know what I mean?

You paid for her groceries? Yeah, I mean, come on. I respect my elders. He was cussing me out. Was it he or she? She. And a he. They both did it before.

Kids, all type of kids, parents. I'm thinking it was Simon Autographs. They want to cuss me out about the Avengers. So that was a, and I lost a lot i had a alexis deal see this is hitting me deep now he lost money residuals i had a lexus deal that they took from me because i spoiled the end games i'm thinking like damn lexus people they y'all care about this a big franchise it is i didn't know that's that's a big friend i felt like danos at the end of that you had all the rocks if i did this right here and it took it back and then i don't know until next time games with names is brought to you by win bet win bet brings the excitement of the Wynn Las Vegas and Encore Boston Harbor to your phone.

Join WynnBet today and bet with the official online gaming product from Wynn Resorts. Whenever I'm back home in Boston, you'll catch me at the Encore Sportsbook or on my WynnBet app. Can we set the stage for what these teams, the Indianapolis Colts, this two battle? I mean, awful, awful year for the Colts. A 4-12 year. Sounds about right. That sounds about right. I mean, LaShawn, if you didn't know on this podcast,

we hate the Colts on this podcast. Why do you hate the Colts? I don't know. We just had Gronk on, and he did not like the Colts you don't know I want a while he like you guys was like in competition or something because they're the ones that did the flake gate stuff oh but wait you guys do cheat no we don't I got I got a story what's your story one time we're practicing for the playoffs. What team?

What year? We're in Tampa with a quarterback that you are familiar with. And we're practicing, and Tom's like, hold up. We got to stop. We can't do these plays right now. They're like, well, why not? Look at all these windows out here. Look at all these windows.

People probably – we think like, no, they not. Listen, I'm telling you all, people can be in these windows watching a practice we can't do it no more. So what we do, we had to take the practice indoor. So when we're all hanging out, like the offensive players, some of the coaches we laughing about, we like, yo, there may be some truth to that Patriots stuff. Because out of everybody, it's freaking 53 players and all the other coaches,

not one person said anything about practicing outside for the playoffs. But one man. You let me know what you think about that. Yeah, because he knows that people may be out there doing that. You never know. Because he knows Pelichick. And listen, but I will say this. Growing up in the hood, if you're not cheating, you ain't trying.

So I respect it. There's no cheating. Okay. All right, back to the Colts. Back to the Colts. Back to the Colts, baby. This was the last year. Hey, wait, wait.

I'm sorry. Last thing. After that day, we've never had a practice outside of this. So the outside practice field, it was different for me. I got a hotel or something. After that day We've never had a practice Outside Of Of Cause it's So The outside practice field Is like It was different

We got a hotel or something We never did it ever again Let you know that Tommy said We not going out there Cause anybody can watch That just tells me The people that were in charge

Didn't have The right mindset Yeah they didn't cheat Man I Eat mindset. Yeah, they ain't cheat. Man, I eat. Come on now. Come on. Get out of here. This was the last year of Chuck Pagano and Indy. Chuck Pagano, okay. They got some notable names. This was Jacoby Brissett, Vinatieri, Darius Butler, T.Y. Hilton, Frank Gore. Frank Gore, beast.

Notable names. On the Indy only. Just on Indy. Brissette made that list? He was a quarterback, starting quarterback for the game that we're about to dive into. I mean, okay. I guess. Jacoby catching strays.

No, Jacoby, who do we got on here? Should we go to the Bills? Let's go Bills. What do we got on Bills? That's right. You see them boys. You see them boys. You see who's right on top, though.

Number one. My boy Tyrod. You got Zay Jones balling. You got Matt Milano. Matt Milano bought out yesterday. Mike Tolbert was really good for the Panthers for a while. He was a beast. Peterman, he's from Pitt.

Your Pitt guy. Do you remember a running back back in the day in Pennsylvania, Eugene Jarvis? Yes. That was my running back in college. Eugene, Eugene, the dancer. He beat my ass one day in college. He was like 5'6". He was the truth, though.

He was the truth. We played him in, so how about this? That year you talk him out, they won a championship. He played for Central Catholic. Yeah. Oh, boy school. Anyway, we were top. Terito, we were top.

You know what I mean? I was averaging like 300 yards a game. We played them. They shut me down, and he went crazy, and they beat us. He was a little monster. He was good. He was real good. All right, Jackie, we'll go back.

Sorry. You said Pitt. I forgot to get that in. Oh, no, you're real good. All right, Jackie, we'll go back. Sorry. You said Pitt. I forgot to get that in. Oh, no, you're all good. I was going down a little bit of central Catholic rabbit hole over here. First year of Sean McDermott. And as Sean alluded to earlier, this was the year that snapped the 18-year playoff drought for the Bills.

18-year. You guys were tough this year. They were. It was tough. Y'all didn't like playing the Bills, though, right? You didn't like the Bills, really? Nah. I mean, you guys were always tough to play.

Yeah. But it was, I mean, if we lost, it was something we did. Yeah, that's true. I can't lie. You were right. You were right. They were always competitive. And then, you know, by the time I left, you could see them getting better and better.

Yeah, it's different now. They can't wait to pay the Patriots now. They can't wait. It's kind of like this, Shady. It's kind of like they're the big brothers in the division right now, right? Big brothers? Yeah, they're like the big bro. We're like the little brother that gets his ass beat by a big bro all the time now, right?

Kind of like that. But now, like when we were the big brother, we could go out and beat the shit out of all the brothers. That's true. That's true. You know, now we look at the bills and we're like, man, our big brother just, he still can't beat up that one kid. I just, I could never go against that because you guys were,

y'all were big, big brothers, like big, big uncles. I can't, you know, you're right. I just, it could never go against that because you guys were, y'all were big, big brothers, like big, big uncles. I can't, you know, you're right. I just, it don't matter. It don't even matter. I don't even get into it. You're right. He's a little instigator, I can tell right now. What are you talking about?

What else, Jack? How was McDermott as a coach? Oh, you know what? So I had McDermott in Philadelphia. He was the defense coordinator. Oh, that's right. Yep, I already knew him. Good dude. Good family. I of a coach very smart passionate um you know

um everywhere he's been he's been successful for a reason good coach can't say nothing bad about him yeah what's he what's he harping over there right now he's big on um he's big on like fundamentally sound doing like yeah because you could tell he's on that big he does he he must pull his hair out well he's bald but like when josh allen throws picks yeah he can't do anything about it just because like you can't coach it can't coach you because you talk about it you guys they'll they'll think about it yeah and then it's see i don't I mean some things I feel like with it's an attitude so and a mindset where sometimes right I didn't really fumble the ball really that one of my thing you know but if I ever have a fumble because I did hold the ball real real loose oh and it would be

like it would be constant in my head so now when I'm playing and running when I get close to some shit I'm like boom yeah you right? That's the one thing With Josh that I can't figure out Is like From offensive coordinators To defensive coordinators To coaches To players

You will go to What you know best What you're more comfortable with So we can't really Change as much If defensive coordinator When the game's real tight And you gotta have this play

You gotta have this stop He's gonna do What he's always done Same thing with Offensive coordinator So my thing with Josh I understand he plays reckless but it gotta be a point where like all right i gotta be a little more cautious of what i'm doing i think he will i mean it's almost good that i don't think i don't think he will i just think if he could do it a little bit right

i don't want to change who you are you just got to capture it in a bottle man fucking i don't know i just like lightning like even some of the, yo, why are you throwing this ball there? He throws into team meetings. There was, like when we were playing them at the end where, like, you could tell they were tough. I remember like 18, 19, it was hard to beat those dudes. But we always counted on. He was one.

He's going to give us one or two, just don't turn the ball over. You see what I'm saying? He's going to. He was one. He's going to give us one or two. Just don't turn the ball over. You see what I'm saying? He's going to give you five opportunities. I know. I know for real. And he's also going to make these plays that are going to light you up. But there's going to be that one, two, maybe three. It's like when he's like, even when he threw the deep one,

the pick, he could just rain that shit. He got the first down. Why you? And then it's two dudes on dig. He's on Madden. He's on Madden. He's got to show everyone why he's on Madden. There's a lot of losses.

All right, let's do the game lead up. Jackie, bring us down. All right, leading into this one, we already touched on the Colts. Four-game losing streak. They were in free fall. The Bills trying to end that playoff drought. Coming into this one with playoff hopes still alive. Nathan Peterman got his first home start this week.

This is a couple weeks after the infamous five interception game. You remember that one, Shady? Damn, I remember that one. It was out here in L.A., right? Yes. One, two, three, four. I mean, it was. And then, hold up.

Even before the game started, Tyronlor was doing solid right i mean his best receiver was calvin benjamin he just came in he even yeah he's like cup of coffee so he's like you know what he had a meeting with the captains i'm a captain i can't believe it but i was a captain and he's like hey we're thinking about starting tyrod or we think about starting native peterman i said oh cool cool all right so after the meeting he said do you think about starting Nate and Peterman? I said, oh, cool, cool. So after the meeting, he said, how do you feel about that? I said, coach, I don't love it. Tyrod ain't been playing that bad and Nate has been looking great

on scout team. He was killing scout team though. Tom Brady, you know, can't get hit in practice. I said, so why are we still in it a little bit? Why do you want to start him? He said, well, my thing is, if we start him now, he's playing against the Chargers and at the time they were sharing the stadium at like a little the small little stadium yeah he said it won't be loud right you know so that won't affect them

um and we get him in the hospital environment a little bit i said that makes sense i guess i get it but i don't think it's right and sure enough we got that first game he didn't take this time to throw them picks he got that out the way early one pick two pick next drive then the third job i think i i did my thing i scored the fourth another pick up to the iron coach what the fool we trying what we doing the end of the score was 54-24 got our ass kicked and then went back to tyra and then went back i think went back to tyra yeah you had to that that's that's a tough when you're when you're pulling quarterbacks in the middle of seasons bro it's hard to pull a quarterback because what's the psyche gonna go when you go back to him and tyra went bad he's not a real player as well i like tyra i always liked tyron i love tyron i don't know why he always got a bad he always got a bad like

like what's his name herbert became the guy after they punctured along josh allen here like he's always been the guy before my thing is he's like good luck chuck why you find your quarterback you might you just get tyrod in there what's up what's his name uh daniel jones like why why would i throw him over tyra i'm just because he just paid him i'm something before that daniel jones is like he is so regular yeah he it's tough i can't defend it i don't want to defend it but the uh the elephant in the room leading up to this game, the weather. Yeah, it was ugly. It was a snow apocalypse.

16.7 inches of snow. Didn't stop the entire game. Nine inches during the game. Nine inches? That's Buffalo. This is crazy. I said, boys, let me get the rock. I got you.

You said that pregame? Yeah, let me get the rock. Who you You said that pregame? Yeah Let me get the rock I got you In front of the whole team The pregame team Or is that to the offense? To the offense

Boys Let me get the rock It was a cool game The cool thing about the snow What people don't understand Is that I love it so much because When I get tackled

It's like Falling on pillows Yeah The big fat dudes hit me It don't hurt Think about that. It don't even hurt. No.

And they can't get their traction, but now I can. Sign me up. It's an advantage. I always played well in the snow as well. I housed a punt in Chicago in the snow. Did you play any college games in the snow at all? Yeah, Northern Illinois. Okay.

I went to school in Ohio, Kent State. I knew that. Kent State, yeah, because that's where Eugene went. But we didn't play. You know, usually you got to play deep into the season to get those. We were done. So you played quarterback too, right? Yeah.

You could throw that thing? Kind of. Not really. So what type of quarterback was you? I was like a running quarterback. I mean, I ran for like 1,500 yards. I threw for like 1,900 yards my senior year. 1,500 yards. I could run it 1,900 yards my senior year. 1,500 yards.

I could run it. It was me and Eugene. It was me and Eugene. Which I did like a – We had a little read in there, and then we had a little play-action spread. We had like a West Coast spread offense with Doug Martin, who had – Doug Martin, yeah. He had Matt Ryan at BC.

So we used to watch it like the years before. Yeah, I would take off and run. That lets you know how smart he is. So you play quarterback. Okay. Okay. All right. Okay.

Yeah. I could have had more yards. They gave all these other guys my carries. And you had 32 carries. 32. I should have had a little more though, right? That's your career high. Yeah, but look.

You don't feel it though. See what I'm saying? Because you're not hitting me hard. Yeah. And it's like you're going slow because of the weather. It's like when you drive, you ain't going fast, you're going slow. And then when you slam me, we falling on some snow, man. And you're sliding.

The only thing about this game, it was a lot colder than the game I had in Philadelphia. So in between the TV timeouts or or like let's take it the first down jack it up if I run out of bounds I'm taking that first play off I'm going to the heater to put my hands in there yeah and then second down I'm coming back this game was cold as hell and sometimes the snow it's not as cold but this like Buffalo's a whole different Beast because like the snow usually it's probably like in the low 30s, high 20s. You get your cold games when it's fucking clear. Right.

You know what I mean? It's like freezing. The hands. You got to keep the hands and feet. Everything else will be all right. Speaking of hands, that catch you had in the Super Bowl? That was badass, bro. That's concentration.

Yeah. I was just hoping. I ran the shitty route. We were tired. It was like our 90th play. And we played a lot of plays that game. And, like, I had a middle read, and I knew Tom was going to come to me because we were hitting it all week in practice.

That's usually how it goes. You hit it in practice, and we got to go to it. And I was running it good on the route, but I was tired. I banana'd my route and the worst thing you see in a split safety man middle read is a db that turns his eye back to the ball he's usually gonna pick because it's that's a 22 yard throw you know what i mean where they're gonna put it on a line when he turned you like fuck i'm sitting there so i put the brake on and i dove in there just to try to knock it out and one thing led to another and i just that was my number one thing just found it don't let it get picked right you know just do anything and then it it came i think it has to do with i did a lot of tennis ball drills so i'd have like red for my right green with my left and like you have to

throw it over the shoulder and i do it like every day just to warm my eyes for practice you know or i wouldn't focus i got really bad add so i always had to do things in order to keep me busy yeah so i'd always come up with these crazy drills before work and i think probably had something to do with that right like you can't like fucking you can't claim that catch I didn't I didn't watch the game Until So I landed And

What was the score at halftime What was it 28 Or 21-3 Right Something like that 21-3 at half And then

I said yo The Patriots gonna come back And win this game I'm telling you bro I'm telling you And that's what y'all did Yeah it was nuts Cause see I play y'all

Twice a year So I know That ain't nothing If y'all did. Yeah, it was nuts. Because, see, I play all twice a year, so I know that ain't nothing. If y'all don't put them away, they going to win. Yeah. Not the coaching. You know the number. What's next? A lot of things always, you know, defense always made a big play. You know, there was always something.

We always had, like, a crazy, like, special teams play. Like, there was always something, we always had like a crazy like special teams play that, like there was always someone that made a play. Anyone who had to make a play made a play. Maybe I'm like this because I played the Patriots so much. I remember me and Rex Ryan were like, if they don't have Tom Brady, they're not the same team. Like even on defense, I never was like nervous to play y'all. There's some teams I never was nervous to play,

but just like, oh, fuck, we got to play them this week. All right, let's get together we're like the patron have two three good players on defense right like like jamie they had a um high 54 high tower high tower was good but you always had you had role guys like ninkovich that knew how to set like they did their job they would set their edge and like you couldn't run He did his job You wouldn't pass And then you have Chandler Hold on He was just okay

He had 56 sacks He was okay I ain't gonna act You know Like on tape We ain't trying to Where's 50 at He's number 50 right

Yeah Yeah we not worrying about Where 50's at Some players they had on there It was like it was okay But They They would let you go up and down

the field with yards. But in the red zone, they crack down. That's one thing I would say. Bend but don't break. We want them to throw an interception. Let them beat themselves but then tighten it up in the red area. Because we get three points, y'all gonna get seven. That shit starts tallying up. Or you're gonna

make a mistake. Yeah. I mean, that's literally what was coached. Let them make a mistake. Just play fundamental football. I guess. I mean, we both see it different ways. Yeah. I think we see it the same.

So, Frank Gore's legacy or longevity. What do we got here? Well, this was a battle between i mean you could go battle between the backs because you weren't passing much in this snow what was uh what was that like going up against frank gore did you head to head like pre-game you you ever say like who's the other running back you're like let me let me uh so frank one of my best friends yeah yeah i thought of frank a couple times a week. That's my guy. He kind of, like, helped me to be better professional.

Yeah. You know, I would be training and stuff like that. We was training together in Miami. And he had a name. It was Frank Gore. By the way, we go back so far because in college, my brother played for the Niners. And Frank Gore's, I think it was his agent.

That's your brother? Who's your brother's name? Leron McCoy. He played years ago. You don't know who this player is. I was a Niners fan. But he ain't do nothing like that for you to know him. You don't know him.

He played for Arizona, the Niners, and the Texans. But anyway, we went to Frank Gore's house. And I was like, you guys come out of college? He's like, yeah, man, get out of there. Go to the NFL. That's how I met him. So fast forward, we get to the league. He's training in Miami.

His agent's at my agent's house. So we start training together. And I was like, man, my feet were better than his shit. Right? I'm still young, though. But he was helping me get better and better and better. Because I didn't really train super hard. Yeah.

After I arrived. I was like, it's just easy. I ain't lifting no weights. But I would be vegas partying and frank will be training hey come on where you at man get your ass here i'll take like damn try to stay in vegas or go work out and i would go work out because frank would call me he's older than me and he kind of helped me to be a professional you know and that's how we became real real friends so so so i never really like, there's other backs that I go to defense. Hey, yo, listen. I need to shut him down.

Who? Ah, he's putting him on the spot. He can't just say that. I mean – Okay, one time is DeMarco Murray. And at the time, this is the year that he had a really good year. Now, we wasn't close as far as running backs, but he's had a really good year. I was like, I finished third.

I think he was first. And I said, hey, man, I'm trying to get this title again. Right? Russian title. Make sure him get on yards, this and that. Y'all shut him down. I got some money for y'all boys, you know. And guess what happened?

They ain't shut him down. They ain't shut shit down. He got busy, and they beat us and the last one was adrian pearson just because he's the best pregame speeches defense against court see this is way different from that that patriots way right i think my yards and you know what i mean they think about wins i never heard anything yo i have time i'll be checking my stats damn he got that many hearts damn you know what i'm saying doing this pass it passes the defense you are gonna play or what like you know what i mean um asian priest is another one though that's

because he was so great he's my favorite he's one of my favorite running back violent i think he's the best i think the best back of all time bro well barry sanders is but he's ap's the most complete like back he's big strong can shake you when you pass you he can't really catch or block but all the other stuff that don't matter the other traditional back traditional just you know god gifted that's one that's the only guy i could say him and uh bar, they're probably better than me. All them other dudes, I don't care how many yards they got, stats they got, teams they got, they ain't, you know. It's my opinion.

Hey. I mean, you've seen a lot of football, and you've ran a lot of yards in football. Because some of them dudes be on these great teams. Like, come on, bro. Like, Terrell Davis, I think he was good, but he ain't. I mean, come on. Adrian James is another one. they play on these great team if I told you to make a who's your favorite you like him I mean we played him a lot okay watch this who's your favorite team as a kid

like you know this team 49ers so if I say yo give me your all-time Niners offense who did push on it joe montana's a quarterback jerry jerry's a wide receiver t.o's on the other side you got ricky waters or you go with uh frank gordon running back right brent jones at tight end come on now if i say yo give me tom rath man fullback and if i tell you this give me the all-time colts offense who you gonna say edgar james the running back yeah it's kind of like pro bowl voting no no no no no let's do it for a second real quick take some seconds andrew james are running back i don't know anyone else oh no yeah you do payton manning at quarterback oh you're talking about i thought you're going in here reggie reggie wayne that wide receiver marvin harrison marvin harrison you know how was his

team right that's the team he played on You know that was his team, right? That's the team he played on every year. That's the team. And then soon you leave, as in Edrin, the backup does the same shit you do. Who? Joseph Adai from LSU. Joseph Adai. Do you get what I'm saying?

I'm helping you out. My biggest years, where I played the most football at, was the Eagles. Since I've left, they finally had a 1,000 yard rusher with Miles Sanders last year. They got rid of him. I said we can't have this guy come in close and shade his numbers.

That's not why. He been there for like four years. He been there for four years. He had 1,000 yards. He's a good player though. 1,009 or 1,100, whatever, that's cool. The cool the bills they still haven't had a thousand on russia so my thing is where is your real impact if it is good of a player soon you leave the backup do the same thing now how good are you really you get i'm saying yeah but what if they let's go what you what are the teams

because they had such a dominant back. They were like running the ball. They had such the offense was built around the running back. Great question. Great question. And then all of a sudden they could just couldn't win the Super Bowl. It couldn't get to the Super Bowl. So like, fuck it.

We're going to we're getting rid of running back. We already had that insane running back. We want to we got to we got to evolve to what everyone else is out. Someone could say that. So the Colts. So I told you that. I don't know if you heard me. They had Peyton Manning.

Yeah. So when we go into the game, who do you think we're trying to stop? You think we're about to pack the line of scrimmage up to stop Edwin James? Are we going to stop Peyton Man main in that passing game yeah make him one-dimensional he stopped the run always okay all right well if you think that that's cool i just you got it it's not even about everything comes off the run game whether you have one or not i mean it depends i mean i hear that but then like there's some things that we throw the ball we just we're throwing the ball i i personally haven't had a lot of um open boxes running the ball no you didn't

but what i'm saying is if i had a pagan i'm damn sure you know what i'm saying yeah but no one put no one put egger and james in all-time great he's a hall of famer you saw my hall of fame backs right the difference you want it this is what you asked for so we going to some of these these all the things right now i didn't know that you're in james in the hall of fame he had a Hall of Famer. That's what you asked for. So we going to some of these Hall of Fame running backs. I didn't know Edgar and James was in the Hall of Fame. He had a lot of yards, though, didn't he? He had a lot of carries, too. See, that's impressive, though. Probably was healthy, too.

That's the thing about running backs. He had a lot of 300-yard, 300-carat years. I've only had one. That's impressive. A lot of guys get hurt. And we're seeing it right now. Guys can't even run the ball. What's the number now?

I don't know. They're saying it's like 360 snaps for running back they're like if they play that or they have those carries they're like going to get hurt that's what the analytics team is well oh i don't know that so when you see a guy that can do it repetitively like that's why frank gore was crazy to me like that dude carried the ball so much longevity longevity is huge in running back but there's nobody that blocks burning frank or there's nobody that plays in the uh between the tackles bro he got good eyes downhill and he's always leaning forward i've never seen my better than him at that no he can he makes the right read always and he knows how to manipulate blocks the double teams because they always had the double teams with them. The big boys, yeah. You know, and you'll see a lot of like –

that's the difference between a pro back and a college back. College backs can get away with not making the right read. Manipulating the defense. Yeah, they can run through arm tackles and stuff. When you get to the league, it's like there's a track that you have to run because of how the blocking schemes are. And I didn't know that until I got to the NFL because I was like, this guy's going to be hella good.

We got him. And you see that he makes the cut three steps too early, and then the guy sheds off the block. And that's one of the young backs. The hardest thing is, damn. Patient. There's a hole. I'm hitting it.

No. Sell that shit more. Yeah. Come off his heels. They always say come off his ass, but it's pause. I always say, Coach, hey, pause, dude. Yeah, I pause a lot of the stuff coaches be saying. Coaches be saying.

How insane was it that Vinatieri, same Vinatieri that won Super Bowls with the Patriots kicking in snowstorms. They clear out the thing. They clear it out. They cleared out the pathway for him to kick did he make it he made it to go remember it was curved in there remember jacoby that he they had the two-point conversion but there was a pick play yeah which it was oh yeah that's right that's right yeah yeah and then they went back and it was like a 43 yard fucking extra point in a snow

condition to go to overtime yeah that's a good point because he – I mean, I remember that. And then he had a shot to win it, and he missed it. He had the same kind of – The hook? That was like a boomerang, that thing. Yeah, he wasn't that good. So we weren't surprised about him not completing. Who?

Vinatieri? No, Brissette. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. He had a chance of winning too. That's true. He's a goodissette. Oh, yeah. He had a chance of winning too. That's true. He's a good backup quarterback. Let me think. He's won games.

Oh, you played with him in Patriots too. Yeah, I like Jacoby. He's a good backup quarterback, and he's tough. I beat the Patriots one time. Tom won the quarterback. You know who it was? Jacoby Brissette. Talk to your boy.

I remember that I mean he was gone Awful But they If it weren't for him I would never beat the Patriots I think you got two You got one in Kansas City

One in Buffalo Against the Patriots I was thinking about the I was thinking about the Suspension year 2016 Walk us through Your game winning run

What's the play call? Yeah I can't remember Walk us through your game-winning run. What's the play call? Yeah. I can't remember. Was it a gap scheme? Was it a zone? It looked like it was a lot of downhill. I want to say a power because I think Richie Incognito blocked that. What's up, big guy?

Richie Incognito. I love him. I love Richie. He's my favorite lineman. I used to train with him out here. This might be just a uh double block yep yeah look at richie right there we're gonna have a second level time to go tonight good night so hey how about at the end of this i couldn't breathe they everybody

tapped me into the snow i'm thinking like yo bro it's the snow down here and it was it was high you had to be there but no it's like under a dog pile yes there's always one kid that are like hey bro i was panicking like yo yo i can't breathe down here like yo claustrophobic and they're celebrating so they think everything's fun and i'm probably like 208 at the time. This is my favorite dog right now. Does he shed a lot or no? Zero. Really?

He's an Australian Labradoodle. Oh, wow. He doesn't shed at all. What's up, buddy? Got a little Joe Dirt mullet. What's up, big guy? So the aftermath of this game, after your insane walk-off, you guys just straight mudden. That's mud in football right

there and shady is proven to be a mud and running back because you have such I feel like it's because you have great balance you keep your you don't ever get outside your base you know a lot of that's a that's what a lot of guys tell you a get hurt and that's be how you slip usually when guys are slipping they're outside of their base you have such a wide frame you have wide feet you always cut off the inside part of your foot you know what i mean guys try to cheat that you should be a coach nah you know that was pretty good but it's true is it not i don't know it is i never thought about that i just be doing that so wait it's how you're built it's the inside of my foot you want to you cut always off the inside part of your outside foot yeah okay so like whenever we used to have the first day of rain practice we'd always

practice outside on the grass guys you can you can cheat like regular grass or turf you can't cheat a wet surface and it's because you're cutting weird or you're cutting different you cut off the inside, this part. I just learned something today, first of all. You must have learned that from a good coach or a great coach. I don't know. Maybe the best coach of all time. I don't know. This guy.

This guy. Bill Belichick versus Andy Reid. Wow. What's Bill Belichick versus Andy Reid? Where's that? What's the stats? Bill's got him six and three all time. Six and three. That's it three that's it eight rings to

three rings as we alluded to i mean but you can't this is a bad like come on man it's yeah you can't do this it's tough i know it is what it is come on man anybody had time they winning championships that's true come on bro you drafted don't i I don't like to Do this with With Bill Cause I respect him So I ain't gonna do that But He can't touch Andy Reid

He can't You drop them dudes In any different team Andy's gonna outdo him You know that Tom Brady Freaking shooting threes And jump shots

He out the league He ain't ever coming back You put Andy Wherever Bill's at He gonna win If they was in the same division He would scrape him you know it with Patrick Mahomes right now it'd be very tough I'm saying though any team I don't

think that so let me ask you this you think that if right now today Andy Reid was on the Patriots would it be better or would it be like they are now they'd be built differently would they be better or they like the same like they are now? Better records. How about that? Let's do that. Same teams and all? Same players.

Same everything. What you think? Remember we were talking about this and we talked about time management? We talked about that time management stuff. You keep saying that. He only had like a year or two he had bad time management. You keep saying that. He had some really – and then it came out last week. Last? When?

Didn't he do something last week? Let's make this up. No. I put it in my notes. I'll find the facts. I put it in my notes. I was watching the game. Let's make this up. I was literally watching the game. I was like, this is exactly what I was saying to Shady. He had something. He's smart.

They're both very good, but I mean... You had to still kiss the rings. i mean but like you had to to equalize it and we're gonna see with an equalizing type quarterback what andy reed can pump out by the watch we're about to see and one thing if they don't get six one thing you said earlier though if they don't get six. One thing you said earlier, though. If they don't get six, because it's hard to do it continually. He's got one generation of team to continually do it with different generations. That's what we're going to see. One thing you said that was false.

You said that the Patriots, you know, it was hard to win because they had the money issues. Y'all didn't have a lot of money issues. Y'all never paid players their true value with the purchase. Well, I'll give you that. They don't pay their homegrown. But they had the number one excuse. When I would go to Bill and I would say, hey, I want this,

he would say, how am I going to give you that when I give Brady this? You know what I mean? Because he never made money at the top of the market like he's supposed to. Brady. So when your quarterback's not making the maximum like he's supposed to. So then everyone's got to fall in line. Not even fall in line part, but there's more money to. Yeah, but if you look at how a team's built, we always had the more.

There's like, usually teams are built with like three. Back when we were playing, there'd be like three dudes making upper echelon money, like big money. And then there'd be like five dudes making that middle tier and then everyone else would be in that minimum. Ours would be like, Tom would be barely making that. We'd have in that second thing, we'd have probably like 11 of those types of guys.

If you like look at it like per like that's how the team was always but what i'm saying is that when other teams when a quarterback gets that big lump sum it's hard to get 11 guys even do that it's hard to get that's so yeah i didn't really have a lot of money issues because your top dude wasn't taking the money yeah but they were also go look at what they were doing with like the tom never played in into like the back end of his contract he always renegotiate but what i get that part so then like it didn't look but like oh brady how much did he make i'm not trying to count no one's chips but joker made a lot of money i mean you talking about his career yeah he's played for 20 some seasons yeah but dudes like

like eli dudes like big ben dudes like paying like them dudes just cashing out at the top of the market i will give you this area rogers i will give you this argument they didn't pay you very well you can't give us this is what it is so my thing is i'm saying that when you talk about having the rosters get broken in the nfl because of money quarterback takes all the money i take that mid money i play for the mem the money i play for the the memories all i'll say is this all i'm saying is that pay for the memories had a lot of memories like that was getting paid the top of the market so like he's taking the money you can't build on that team that don't matter all i'm saying is belichick is a good coach, I guess. And Aaron –

Andy, he's a good coach. Andy Reid. I respect the shit out of Andy Reid. You should. I mean, every time we played him, though, we went into Kansas City. We were the old team. They were the young gun time. 12.

12. What else we got? The new rule added to this game, only players on the field can clear the spot for the kicker because pre-field goal kick in this, Vinatieri had the whole, they had the whole team, the Bills had the whole team out there. That's true.

Indy, Indy, Indy. Indy. Indy did, that's true, that is true. They had the whole air bike digging up the snow. Now they said only guys on the field can help. Can't have the whole bench over there. So we were scrimmaging the Patriots. I forget what year it is.

I was with the Eagles though. Yeah, I remember that. And we were beating y'all real good in practice. In the game, y'all beat the shit out of us though. That was in 13. 13.

And I remember y'all had a bad practice and Bills, after practice was over, he blew the whistle. Go to the hell. I'm like, damn. They ain't punished for not having a good practice and they went to the hill they was running up and down the hill yeah that was that was like

high school shit that was crazy that wasn't punishment that was just us oh we ran always after especially if we had joint practices we they would always run us so they show the other coaching staff, you know, like, hey, let's get our guys. Our guys, we're getting them working. But I'll tell you right now, you know how many games we won where we were just in better shape than guys? Because guys at the end of the game, like,

we'd never had any big-name offensive line guys. Everyone always says, right? But our guys were rad smart they were always in insane condition and they played well together and you'd play these like really explosive defensive lines and like we would slow them down a by going no a huddle let them run trap a personal group in there and, we just run the ball down the throat, and then they would break by the end because teams were never, like, even close to as good a shape. I agree with that.

You guys are really disciplined. That's one thing I do give him credit. He was a disciplined coach, man. The players was all smart. You guys didn't beat yourselves. That's what the Patriot way is, right? I don't know. What's the Patriot way?

That meat and that flumsy. I don't know what that shit is either. I thought the the patriot was just having tom brady that's what i thought it was all right well i thought it was real though because you don't see that no more we're just tired of guys they ain't tired no more they ready they ready when tom was there he was tired new story is this the best snow game of all time? Nah. You had another good one? I had 20 yards in the snow before.

Before this or after? Before. You were with Philly? Mm-hmm. Who did you play? Detroit. Detroit. You never seen that game?

Megatron, they always show he has all the snow on his helmet. I remember. That's the game, I think. That's the game, yep think. That's the game. So 200 and then what was this, a 140? Did he have 140 or 150? 152, I believe. So are you the greatest snow running back of all time?

156, sorry. I don't know. I mean, I don't know other backs that's played in this now. I'm going to say yes. I'm saying yes. It's not a bad answer. It's not a bad answer now, guys. I don't know. I'm a humble guy, man. I'm going to say yes. I'm saying yes. It's not a bad answer. It's not a bad answer now, guys. I don't know.

I'm a humble guy, man. I'm humble. Come on now. You just turned into a patriot right now? That's right. It's a team. It's just having to be as a team. Thank you. Patriots.

If they got some Patriots, that's how they do it, right? Jack, we miss anything Nah we were pretty clean but Was looking through a couple other great snow games We got the Chuck Rule game The Leon Lett game on Thanksgiving day In 93 The Snow Plow game 72 Patriots Dolphins

Speaking of clearing spots for the kickers, just to name a few. One other question I'd be remiss if I didn't get to ask. Shady, I got a 2021 interview here. When asked if Jules is a Hall of Famer, he said, nah, come on, man. Do you stay by that point? Yeah, yeah, I do. I mean, I told you I think he was a hell of a player. See this is what I don't like about these interviews though,

right, because I told you I'm real raw and just authentic. He's unfiltered. So the thing is, they asked me this whole question, and it was like, it was because it was a thing in the media about him in the Hall of Fame. And I was like, damn, he was nice and shit, he was tough, he was nice. I said, I don't know about Hall of Fame, like Hall of Fame. And I was like, damn. I was like, he was nice and shit. Like, he was tough. He was nice. I said, I don't know about Hall of Fame.

Like, Hall of Fame, you got Terrell Owens. You got all these Randy Morris. All these dudes, all these big-ass numbers. They didn't talk about that. Only thing they said is, Shady said that you're not a Hall of Famer. Yeah. And I remember Brandon was like, I said, damn, you think Jules ain't going to fuck with me?

Or, excuse me. You think he going to be cool with me? Because I said that. And it was more like, it was an old interview i was telling about it and i said i i didn't say it that way but the media only took out yeah i don't i don't care but i mean like you didn't tell your opinion i'm saying like i didn't say anything crazy i know i am trying to put anybody on hey man you said you asked questions i'm not it wasn't but to tell you to your face it wasn't like a a diss because i Before I even gave the answer

I gave you praise Cause I watched you play Like damn he nice Like you know But it was like Hall of Fame Like there's a lot of Hall of Fame receivers That got

Crazy ass Right? Yeah Yeah Well holla at me Tell me how you feel about that When you When you read it

How'd you feel about it? I don't really remember it Like that though Okay Like off the top? I don't really remember it like that though Okay Like off the top Like it wasn't like Like oh fuck Like nah

Cause they just They just twisted though So it just made it seem like it was Honestly you know Oh wait And they read me names That's another thing they did There's going on the players

And I was like I was like well I mean No disrespect to you dog But Brandon Moss is like Brandon Moss is probably top they did. There's going on the players. And I was like, I was like, well, I mean, no disrespect to you, dog, but Brandon Moss is like, Brandon Moss is probably

top 10 player ever. You know what I'm saying? So I'm like, come on, what we talking about right now? Like,

it wasn't that. Yeah. I feel that. He's raw. At least, at least he'll say it to your face, guys.

Oh, no, no, but see, I'm not, because it don't come from a malicious, at all malicious. No, we, no. Because it don't come from a malicious. At all.

No, we're just talking ball. You know what I mean? But if they ask me, are you a good player? I say, damn right. Is he a baller? Damn right. I would take you on my team. Real rap.

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Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stakes. What are the stakes of this game, 0 out of 10? Stakes? Yeah, stakes. Six. Six.

It's not the best game of all time. No, yeah, that's pretty good. Star power. That's pretty good. It power. That's pretty good. It wasn't a lot to start with. Me, Frank, and who else? Jacoby Brissett. Nathan Peterman.

Jacoby? Like about a three. Let's do two. There's only two stars in the game. Only two stars in the whole game. That's two. Come on. I like that.

Gameplay. What's that mean? Just like how the game went. It's back and forth. Now, the game was fun, though. I will say that. So I'm going to give it a 10. A 10? Yeah. I'm just thinking like it was back and forth. The game was fun, though. I will say that. So I'm going to give it a 10. A 10?

I'm just thinking like it was a fun game. Snow all day. It was like we punt. It was so many punts. Yeah. You know what I mean? It was like a lot of – it was passes that was like catching it. Then he dropped it.

Tipping. Yeah, it was a lot of crazy things. It was a fun game. We'll give it a 10. The name. So what's the name of the game? Is it the Snowball? Is it the Snovertime? Is it the Snowball? Is it the Snovertime? Is it the Buffalo Blizzard?

Ooh, that sounds, the Buffalo Blizzard. That sounds dope. Sounds like a good Dairy Queen item too. Yeah. I'm going to go there tonight. Oh, I'm going to diet. You got to get DQ in there. Hey, how you staying?

You work out a lot today? Yeah. I just started working out again. I was getting, I'm like, damn, getting big in my suit box boxing's great it's really good and it doesn't hurt my knees which is more will you spar i want to go with you bro come check out because i don't i just yeah that's a great workout it hurts it hurts what's the score the name of the game real quick is what i mean what's the name what's the name score the name of the game? Real quick. What's the name score? The Buffalo Blizzard out of 10, what is that?

The name? Yeah. That's a good eight. That's a good eight? That's a good eight. Name. That's a good eight. What's our total, Jack?

6.5. Where does it rank? These are all our guests who've had all the games we've done. That ties us with game seven of the 2011 Stanley Cup Finals with Zidane O'Chara and puts us just ahead of Gilbert Arenas' 60-point game. Oh, yeah, 60 points? Yeah. Him throwing out the club game.

Gilbert was nice. Gilbert Arenas was nice. I'm a Kobe fan. I am too. Gilbert Arenas was super nice, bro. He was one of my well i don't see my favorite players but i like the way he played he was nice although he did be tripping a little bit when it comes to steph curry other than that he's nice he's a beast he was a beast bro it'd be

a funny to get you guys together we did we can do that but we did one with uh i'm athlete he was cool yeah he tried to tell us that he's better than stuff curry if you're taking 25 years and down i i mean i was like yeah i don't know yeah better than some curry sound wow right this step curry is a monster should have got like a ticket from a police officer for saying like that but i get what he was saying but you know you should have said what you know what's for lunch oh i'm fast call back you eat you know, what's for lunch? Oh, I'm about to. Call back. You eat steak? What's that?

How you like your steak? Yeah. Shrimp? Let's order that because you talking crazy. But he was nice, though. He was nice. He was a bucket. We miss anything, Jack?

I think we're good. You want to plug anything? No, I'm chilling. Nothing? Just on Fox, let's speak. They just asked me that question. They try to catch you. Hey, thank you for coming on.

Oh, that was fun. Nah, even though she told me, I said, oh, man, I got to do it. Boy. Woo-hoo, doozy. Popcorn was being served. That was, he was everything he's built to be, man. Shady didn't disappoint. Shady, he never disappoints.

He just, he has no filter, and he has his take, and he stands by his take. Straight shooter. And if he's wrong, he'll eat it, though. He'll eat it. He's not alive. You believe it. He was really fun. He was fun. I love Shady.

We got to get him back on here and do some of his Eagles games, a Pitt game, something. We got to. He's a beast. He's just fun to talk to and get his perspective. He's a smart guy. Amen. He remembers everything, too. He does.

I mean, he's got a fucking steel trap for a mind. He asked me, you know, we leave and he goes, are you left-handed? I go, no, why? And he goes, because you always carry the ball with your left hand. That right there tells me he knows some stuff. Holy smokes. Because I was a four-back in the Wishbone back in 1998 in Redwood City, Pop Warner. I always ran the ball to my left, and the sideline was there,

and you always taught to get the ball on your sideline so my left became my dominant arm which is weird for a right-handed person usually people are more comfortable and shady brought that out so talk about an observant cat oh my god observant dude i i crunched your tape like it's like it's a fucking episode of the office but i never noticed that you ain't crunching tape, Jack. Get out of here. I really didn't even... Man. I'm sorry, Colin.

You capped in crunch. By the way, one of our favorite cereals if you're out there listening. Amen. Should we get into these questions we got from the DMs? Yeah, let's hear what these questions...

So we opened them up. We put out the prompt of hit us with your dream guest, your dream game, your dream game, your dream game guest combo. And we yielded some pretty good stuff. I come through and pulled the top five here. You ready to get into it?

Let's do it. All right. Our guy, John Edwards, underscore 14 on Instagram said, Steph Curry's elite eight run. You know, this one's near and dear to my heart. Yeah. Davidson Wildcats. You know, I was at. You were there there i was at these games i know him i love him baby we got to get steph in

here dude bob mckillop in here the whole crew i steph curry he is such a like professional not just how he's revolutionized the game but like you never hear really a bad thing about him and he is who like he he's just a great family man he always has like he never gives a bad vibe he's a lover very lovable amen and then he will shoot the lights out of any gym with He's an assassin. And his handles are... He's revolutionized basketball. He literally has changed the sport of basketball. We don't have any more centers. No.

Spread them out, baby. Everyone shoots threes because of Steph Curry. Can we get him on? Jack, you know him. Call him. I'll put in a word here. I'll put in a word. Oh, my God.

That would be incredible. Moving on, we got from the3drjohnrichardson on Instagram, Mark Sanchez, Vince Wilfork for the butt fumble. Both at the same time? That would be wild. I mean, Sanchito works for Fox. He's easy to get to. I think we can get Sanchito.

We can get Sanchito. We can get... We did a Super Bowl appearance together. He mediated something that we did, and he did pretty well. He's doing well on TV. Yeah, he's solid. He's handsome. He's a...

I don't know with the hair. It's a little... It's longer than you ever see him in the playing days. Yeah. Eating a hot dog on the sidelines, it was pretty clean cut. But, like, now he's letting it flow. Maybe that's what he's feeling right now. That's his confident self.

I'd like to get it straight from his mouth. We're going to get him on here next. We're going to get him on here. What about Big Vince? Is he just chilling down in Texas? I don't know. But any time I think about Vince, I just think of he had literally a semi truck he had a semi truck car like truck that he like without a trailer literally a semi truck that he

would drive to work and I just see him with nothing but overalls on that's exactly how I picture him right now in cowboy boots and he's got to be manning like a grill of some sort, a huge smoker. Definitely. He has cooked for me, and it was phenomenal. Fucking God. Went to his house once with Randy. Oh.

Man, it was. I would kill to be at that meal. What a beast. Love Vince. Love Vince. Got to get him on. Moving on, Thad Harold,

also on Instagram, a throwback, Carlton Fisk, for the 1975 World Series Game 6. You remember when he was doing the foul, doing that one? That's a throwback. Yeah, throwback. Maybe if we ever.

Carlton Fisk. And it didn't. Stay fair. Maybe if we ever. It went foul, right? No, it went foul. Yeah. Yeah.

We got to. I was against the Reds, I believe. If we ever maybe pop over to Fenway. We got it. Carlton or anything. We got to get Fisken. We need a baseball. The original Pudge. We need a baseball game.

It's been a while since we've done a baseball. On ASAP. Yep. And classic baseball like that. Baseball was cool, man. Yeah. I like that. Baseball was cool, man. Yeah. I like that. I mean, that was like still old-time baseball.

Right. Where it was like part of America. Cool baseball was like 90s baseball. Cool baseball was 90s baseball. The 80s, 85 to 90s baseball. That's like, oh, these dudes are fucking hitting the ball to the moon. Yeah. That's cool. Okay.

These guys are playing small ball still back in 75, which is fun. I'm a baseball traditionalist. I love baseball. I'm with you. But the cool. 90s. This is pretty cool. You're right.

You're right. It's pretty cool. Now we're just in kind of a forgettable era. It's fast. It's fast era. It's the fast. Mookie. Shout out Mookie.

We love Mookie. Another one from Instagram came in. Matthew P. Charles would like to see us have Ray Carruth and OJ Simpson on. Jesus. Matthew. Boy. We got some fucked up listeners. God.

The Juice. The Juice. I mean, we are in Brentwood. I mean, we did have a Juice reference. Oh, you're right. Oh, my God. Shady. That got real awkward Real fast So When he said

The Hall of Fame stuff I thought about Juice Because it was On Instagram Someone asked him Yes Someone sent me a video Of OJ

Saying that I belong In the Hall of Fame Yes And then he brought up that And I was gonna say But I I couldn't reference That would have been

A good callback You're right Yeah OJ He loves the Twitter video oh Jay does yeah I was this close to pulling it up this close I don't know how long it was I don't think shady would have mind no you would have been down to one day it up oh gee I always signs off I'm just saying on twitter and then uh on ray caruth and i mean also a reprehensible figure um there was a guy i remember going to panthers games growing up who is ray crew wide receiver out of colorado he had a hitman try to kill his pregnant

wife oh so these are these are bad guys oh my God. Yeah, and this guy, Matthew. Yeah, he wants to see us have him on and welcome him to your home. Like, what the fuck, bro? So this guy, Ray Carruth, awful guy, tried to have a hitman kill his wife, who was pregnant at the time. There was a guy after this. I would see him at Bank of America Stadium, maybe Erickson Field back then. He was like the middle-aged, most mild-mannered-looking, like, average white dad.

He would wear a Ray Carruth jersey tucked into, like, acid-washed jeans for, like, 20 years. No matter what, I would go to this game or a Panthers game, like, once or twice a year, see this guy every time. Wow. And he was just walking around like it was cool. I think he makes Twitter every now and again. People resurface photos of the guy.

Jeez, this guy. Was he that good of a player? He's like a second-round pick out of Colorado. I don't know the full stats. This guy likes him. This guy fucking loves him. Likes him. That's a guy we might need to get on the pod and say,

dude, what is wrong with you? On a lighter note, a more normal fan, Matt Zetcher, I believe, is the pronunciation on fan Matt Zetcher I believe is the pronunciation on Instagram he wants the Kelsey Bowl you gotta get the Kelsey Bowl it's not an if it's a win we heard him on tape on the New Heights podcast

they confirmed it that's a hard yes we will count that that's an inked yes what an episode thanks again Shady. That was unbelievable. That's been another episode of Games With Names

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