Games with Names - The X Clown Game with Steve Smith Sr. | 2003 NFC Divisional Round: Panthers vs. Rams

Episode Date: November 19, 2024

Steve Smith is in studio! The legendary wide receiver is with us to relive the 2003 NFC Divisional round game aka "The X Clown Game." Steve joins us on the couch (2:26). We go back to January 2004 (46:23). We go through the rosters (1:04:33). We dive into the game (1:28:26). We score it (1:41:23). We wrap it up with an NFL teams as foods segment brought to you by DoorDash (1:48:46). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

If I hit you down low, that was because I didn't respect you. But if I didn't respect you, that means also because you hit me down low. So we have no regards of each other's career. So guess what? Let's do it there. The head is different.

You knock someone out, that's considered a kiss. You take it out knees, that's considered a career. I got to the point where guys knew, I was like, bro, if you hit me low again or you cheap shot me, I got one question for you. When I cut you and they gotta do surgery, my question is what kind of flowers you want me to send you? Welcome to Games and Names presented by DoorDash.

I'm Julian Edelman, they're Jack and Kyler, and we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time. And on today's episode, we are covering the 2003 NFC divisional round game between the Panthers and Rams with 16-year NFL vet, five-time pro bowler, legendary Panther Steve Smith, Sr. We get into talking, who is the toughest corner that

tried to cover Steve Smith? I hate to go against Revis. I just remember he was like really smart. Oh, yeah. Real smart. What's it like having a walk-off touchdown? Once I got it, I was like, there ain't nobody catching me. You were fast.

I kind of was. I was surprised. A fun story with how he almost ended up becoming a Patriots. Do you know how close I was? I do. It's called my bags packed. You ready? What happened to the trade?

And then we wrap it up with finding out what NFL teams are your favorite game day snacks with DoorDash, our favorite food delivery app. You got to stick around to the very end. Let's go. Games with names is a production of iHeartRadio. Let's order some. Fire it up. Let's go. What with names is a production of I Heart Radio. Let's order some. Fire it up. Let's go. What are we going to order? Whoo. Jack. This is always the hardest part of it.

Jack. Feeling I'm feeling something. What's easy? Pizza. Pizza is always good. Fucking let's order pizza wings. I can't go wrong. All right. Let me order. Fire it up, baby. One of your superpowers is your ability to order DoorDash. Audience, Jules, great orderer. Never misses.

Skill set. Never misses. Yeah, he gets enough for everyone, he peruses the whole menu, he's a great orderer. He's a man of taste. Both in delivery and in restaurant, which is a different skill set. Yep.

I just like to share the wealth of my knowledge of food, at least my stomach's knowledge of food with my friends. All right, did you order? Yeah, I ordered. I ordered. We're good. All right. Quick order. Nothing crazy. Nothing crazy. Don't fucking don't don't pat me on the ass right now. I'm a shit in your goddamn hand with this order. All right. I'll be here in no time. All right. Thanks to DoorDash for helping us there. Let's go to the Steve Smith interview. Let's get into this thing. January 10th, 2004, Edward Jones Dome, St. Louis, Missouri. The Panthers and Rams are tied 23 to 23, heading into double overtime.

Third and 14, Del Home drops back. He's got Smith streaking down the field on the X-Clown. This is the X-Clown game. Why you talking with that voice? My dog. You do, you make motherfuckers nervous, bro. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at the 2003 NFC divisional round game between the Panthers and the Rams

with legendary Steve Smith. Steve Smith in one sentence. Why did you pick this game? You guys, that was the only game you guys gave me. Is this the only game? Is this the only game we gave? I recommended this one hard, man. I love this game.

Jack's from North Carolina. This was when he was watching football. He was like, if we don't do this game, he's gonna. I'm not complaining, but you asked me, so I was. I appreciate you agreeing, Steve. Yeah, I gave him a thumbs up. So in one sentence, why is this game so impactful in your career?

Again, cause this was the only game you guys gave me to choose from. Interesting. I have to talk to the people in the back there. No, I'll just stop. See, when I do this, this is when people get irritated with me, he's such a douche, right? Crankster, I would go.

No, because of my personality or like how people feel, they kind of think Prankster is more of like a just kind of a-hole. But I'm kind of a goofball. Goofball. Yeah, I really am. At the house. I can see that. Yeah.

Is this the greatest game of all time though? I think for the Panthers, for us, yeah. One because we won the game. We obviously, several weeks later, we played New England Patriots and all that stuff. It was really cool. One because of this game. You know how football is, you know how practice goes. There's so many nuances, there's so many little small

detail things that happen and don't happen. And we had practiced, the players called X-Client, we practiced that play so many times. And me and Jake could not get on the same page. I run it this way, he throw it that way. He throw it this way, I wouldn't run it that way. And it just seemed like it was not gonna work. And then when they called it a game, it worked.

Twice, you guys hit it twice. Now, the X-Clown, there's verbiage probably for the protection and there's something else. Or does that tell everyone what to do? So this is where ball is. This is the part where some people don't like that I actually know ball. They kind of think that I don't know ball. And people always talk about, you know, especially with my stuff, they always talk about Steve. He just talks. And the offense we were running that year was Dan Hennan. Yeah.

What's that tree from? That tree is from Charlie Weiss. Charlie Weiss. Which means we had, maybe if these words sound familiar to you, Ole Re Circle. Oh yeah. Max Deli XQ.

Yeah, Ole's the out with the flag. Yes sir. Two man concept, two man concept. So X clowns are backside telling the X what to do, but there was probably something in front telling the other guys what to do. Yes, and then we had. Was it like Toga?

They call it 10. 10. Two ends. Two ends, we had had. Was it like Toga? They called it 10. 10. Two ends. Two ends, we had 10. Topper. Topper, two posts. Two posts. Yeah.

Yeah, so that was the offense. And I had to learn how to play receiver in a way that I just really didn't know how to play receiver at that time. Going to Utah, I was actually in college, junior college, I was a Z originally. But my wide receivers coach in college switched me to X because I'm right-handed, but I'm left-hand dominant.

So I would be at Z with the ball in my left hand, and I was stiff on my right. Well they come and just poke it out. So they moved me to X, and that's how I became an X. Because of how you handled the ball? Because of how I handled the ball. Bro, I only carried the ball in my left arm because I was a four back.

Everything left, left. I was the same way, because I was in pop order. I was the four back. Everything left, left. I was the same way because I was in pop order. I was the four back in a wishbone offense and I always ran left. And so you always kept it on the outside. And so I would always, even to this day, that my most comfortable side was my left side holding the ball, which is very unorthodox

for right handed guys. That's crazy. So you turned into an X in college because you're right-handed, you're better with the ball in your left, so you give the stiffy. And in this point in your career, you were still kind of feeling your,

feeling on how to learn how to play receiver in this offense, that Charlie Weiss style offense. So is this clown route, is it like a bow post? Yes, it's so because you inside released and then you stemmed up and then you hit them with the outside with the couple and it was it was it was built off Q. Yeah, you know, the Q is just a bow. Yes. So it's built off the Q because I ran it so well. Yeah,

stem inside, get vertical, get vertical. Go to the corner. Yeah. So it was built off the cue because I ran it so well. Stim inside. Get vertical. Get vertical. Go to the corner. So I'll stim inside and I just went, but I ran that one and I leaned. But the reason I leaned- To make them think it was going a shitty bow. Yes, but it was also the lean was to put my foot in the ground to go.

Yes, sir. Yeah. People people don't realize you were primarily an X. Like people try to put you in like categories where you're no. Steve Smith was the you're probably the most dominant X in my eyes of all time under six foot. Like you, like, and you, but you didn't play like you were, it was fucking amazing to me to watch you play. When you could run by people, you could run the routes that I ran and I specialized in,

but you could win on a go route. You could stack a guy, run away from a guy. And you were so dynamic with the ball and strong bottom legs. Like you never got down. Like, and you, like dynamic with the ball and strong bottom legs, like you never got down. Like, and you, like, it's fucking crazy that it all stemmed back to the coach in college that said, hey, you only hold it in your left.

I think we gotta put you at X. It was a problem. That's fucking crazy. It was a problem, man. But the guy that coached me, recruited me out of San Monica Community College. Right down the road, I run there. problem, man. But the guy that coached me, recruited me out of Santa Monica Community College. Right down the road, I run there. Yeah, yeah.

It's nice shit now though. Oh, it's beautiful. The turf. Yeah, Fred Graves. Yeah. At University of Utah. Yeah. And he was like, man, we gotta put you at Z.

We gotta put you at X, this isn't working. You're giving up the football. Yeah. So I was like, all right X, this isn't working. You're giving up the football. Yeah. So I was like, all right. Man, that's crazy. So you went to Santa Monica Junior College. How, like how, I know you talk about it all the time, but you and Ocho, is he Ocho or is he Chad?

He's always been Chad. Yeah. You guys went to the same Juco. Now, did you guys take pride in who talks shit the craziest at that time? I just got a I can only imagine you two in the same fucking huddle at that time We We didn't like each other. I can see that because he was from the south and

I was Cali kid Cali. Yeah, and so he had he had got he was from the South. And I was- Cali kid. Cali. Yeah. And so he had got, he was a bounce back, so he had gotten in trouble. So his grandmother had gone and was like, hey, go live with your mom in California. So it was, you know, you know how it is when you go with, when you're playing on new teams.

Yeah. Or you're playing on a new team that's your old team and that old, that guy would always say, man, when we were at this team, we did this. And I used to be like, well, go back there then, bro. We don't want you here. You know what I'm saying? They were like, well, we were at this

and we were here and you not. And I was a guy, zero filter. Zero. And I would say what everybody was a guy, zero filter. Zero. And I would say what everybody was thinking out loud. The right thing. You'll be like, won't you go back there then? But you can't, cause you know, and I'll be like, just go back there.

And there was the awkward silence. But, and what's funny about that is my wife says, she goes, what, what are you thinking when you say stuff like that? And she asked me that and I paused and I was like, yeah, that's probably the problem. I don't, I don't think. I just.

Go. Yeah. I understand. I used to do that. I do that a lot. I've had to control it a little more. Yeah. But I was, as a kid, I did that a lot.

Unfiltered. I was as as a kid, I did that a lot, unfiltered. I was an adult. The crazy thing is, you don't ever turn it off though. Yeah, I do. You have gotten better. Bro, now it's like, it throws people off cause they're like.

Who's this guy? Yeah, or I've gotten the question, are you under anything? Are you, no bro, I'm just chilling. Under the? Influence of something, like what? Gay smoking that dope? Why are you saying, I'm like, I just kind of chill.

I've kind of learned and getting better with just being okay with being okay. Like just to like, like, hey, what you doing today? Nothing. That's about it. Small talk. I get it. I'm not. I get it.

I get it. What's life looking like these days? Playing golf. Yeah. And you got your show on YouTube ironed out. Yeah. Yeah. Shit's fire.

I'm waiting for my invite. I gotta get my golf game better before I go out there and suck it off. Hey, we played twenty seven. Hey, pause. We played twenty seven the other day, bro. Well, whoa, ho ho. She's just going to say that and just let that go. That's something Bill always used to say. He used to say, are you fucking assholes sucked off this goddamn drive?

Like he would say shit like that. Well, so we got to let's let's take a sidetrack. Sidetrack from golf. Do you know how close I was? I do. You know the story. Do you know the story? I remember you may have told me, but I forgot the story. Explain the story.

All right. What we are talking about. First of all, I was, my agent had worked out a trade to go to New England. And Dave Gellner was the general manager and he gave me permission to talk to the San Francisco 49ers. But my agent had worked out a deal for me to go up there. I was with Under Armour.

Under Armour was starting to make my cleats for the Patriots' Colors. And that year, a former teammate of mine was on the team a couple of months before, Damian Lewis. Yeah, yeah, yeah. D-Lew. D-Lew.

He was on the team, and so he already had gave me information on where to stay. And man, you talking about bags packed. You ready. One foot in, one foot out. What happened? Half of my body. What happened to the trade? Didn't go through because they gave me permission to talk to the San Francisco 49ers.

And at that time I did not want to go to the San Francisco 49ers. My wife was pregnant with Deuce, our youngest. Yeah. And I was, you know, trying to find all that. And so- What year was that? Great question. Was it 13? 12 or 13, 2012. And. So you would have came in 13.

No, I was coming the year of 2012. 2012 you would have. I was, yeah. October. And then off season came and you were, you went on a visit to Baltimore. Oh, three days before I went. I was about to go on a visit to Baltimore.

Oh, you didn't go. I didn't go because you got it. Oh, and I didn't get my trip to New England. Because then I signed back. So it's your fault. Okay, cool. We've established that. No, I went to the Niners.

Nah, nah, it sounds like you just admitted with four cameras that it's your fault. Sounds like it. Can't blame it. It could be my fault. Can't blame it on a black guy this time. You know, I had to overcome a lot of things in that. I overcame, though, you know how I got my opportunity?

Gronk had to break his back. Tragic. Danny had to tear both his groins. And one of our teammates had to go on a killing spree. So there is no one else to- That was very insensitive, bro. Whatever. That was insensitive.

I was just trying to be, you know, unfiltered. But I didn't use his name. We all know. But I didn't, it's true. He's on billboards right now. No, the actor is on billboards right now. You know what I'm saying though, but that's a shame. It's sad.

You guys, can we talk about that? How was he in the locker room? Crazy. Yeah. Yeah, like one of those guys that you thought was a wankster. Like he acted tough. A what? A wankster.

Oh, okay, okay. Like he acted tough, but no one took him seriously. He was a real killer. Little did we know. Yeah. Yeah, it was gnarly, bro. Yeah. But that's how I got my opportunity.

So, I'm not going to give it up for no one after that. Yeah. Back to golf. Yeah. So, what's up with this golf show? So, I started doing some counseling just because, trying to figure out like, man, you know, I'm 45 years old. You know, obviously grew up here.

I grew up on 126 and Avalon. So just saw, you know, seen and saw a lot of things that probably a 10, 15, 16 year old probably needs some help processing. And then I just started to realize like, when you retire, we're doing something that you, I've been doing since I was in the third grade, down to when I'm 38 years old,

like just to shut that off, as if it never happened, it's kind of different. Oh yeah. And so I was like, all right, how do I grieve? How do I grieve well in a healthy way? We were in COVID, ended up selling, we sold our house because my daughter, my son, they were all gone. It was just me, my wife, dog, and our two boys in this house. And like half of the house, we had a basement. Half of the house, we didn't

even turn on. And so, you know, like everything else, this guy was following COVID and was like, hey, there's a great opportunity to sell. So we sold and downsized, but what was crazy is in downsizing, I had to pack up all my stuff. And for the family, it was like, yo, what are you going to do with all this stuff? The helmets, the balls, the cleats. Man, that's cute, but that doesn't fit in a new house. So what you gonna do with it? And I didn't realize that it was like, oh, I gotta throw this stuff away. But this stuff when I was starting to pack it up meant, oh, this is my touchdown pass

back in, you know, back in 44, you know, back in 2003 and 2005 and 2013. And I still had my shoulder pads, my only pair of shoulder pads I ever wore my whole career. And then some gloves and then some under armor cleats and then this and that. And it was like, yeah, that's cool. Find a place for it.

Bro, I was packing up my stuff, trying to decide on what's important and what is discard. Bro, I started crying. I started realizing like- Memory lane, bro. Yeah, and I'm like, oh yeah. And I'll never ever play again. And I was like, yeah.

Well, not me. My wife was like, yeah, this is normal. And so I started to realize that like, man, I got some stuff in there that's really holding me back that I've been holding on to, that I didn't know I was holding on to and just how it was affecting me. And so in those sessions as I've been doing it, and I'm huge on mental health just because I've learned like, you know, in COVID there are some things like you learned about yourself, you learned about other people. And so I just, cause like, you know what, I just need to unload some of the stuff that I'm carrying.

And when I started to realize that I was like, yo, I'm kind of fucked up. This isn't normal. I shouldn't be this way. I shouldn't be angry all the time. I shouldn't be concerned that the dude that's mowing the grass, he's maybe trying to steal from me and he's been mowing the grass, he's maybe trying to steal from me and he's been mowing the grass for us for like the last eight years. Or I would like see people that I knew and like, I didn't talk to him. And so, so I started doing that stuff. And then in my last session,

probably about February, last February, what is this, 2024, 2023, end of 2024, right before the Super Bowl in Vegas, my counselor said, yo, what do you do for you? I was like, yeah, you know, like the vacation, hang out with the kids, nah, nah, nah. What do you do for you? And it was a great question that I didn't have an answer to.

And I don't really know how to chill. And so I started kinda through the PA at Golf Tech. You can get like six months of like once a week, four times a month, you can get at Golf Tech, you can get a free membership. And so about three months in, I'm doing it and the guy's like, man, do you want to continue to do this because your membership is going to be up, you know, and you're actually getting pretty good.

What do you think? And I was like, you know, I think I want to do it. And so we started playing and that's when the bug hit me and I realized like, oh man, this is something that, this is not the football player, it's not the dad, it's not the husband, it's just kind of, this is Steve. And I like it. And then my boys was like, Pop, let's go play. All right.

But even on the chorus, I was still a little edgy a little bit. Like, you know, pace of play, when you, pace of play wasn't up, it was kind of like, uh, hey, hey, hey, guys, let's uh- Let's keep it going. Let's uh, let's hurry up. Yeah. And then it was just kind of like, okay, ease. And then I just, I like playing, but I didn't love playing. I like playing golf.

Now man it's like, like it's my wussah. Like I'm out on a golf course good, badder and different. One of the agreements that I have with myself on the golf course is I don't rush. If I'm rushing on the golf course, I don't play. Now I go to driving range, but on the golf course, if I'm playing 18, I'm playing 18. If I play nine, I'm playing nine. I'm not playing six out of the nine. I'm not playing 10 out of the nine. I'm not playing 10 out of the 18.

I'm playing 18. And man, and when I go play 18, bro, I got me some snacks, and crustables, water, drink, Gatorade, whatever it is, and I just chill. I'm gonna have me a fresh pair of kicks on, shorts, it don't matter, bro, I I just chill. I'm gonna have me a fresh pair of kicks on, shorts, it don't matter bro, I'm just chilling. And so we going on vacation and wife should be like, hey, we going here, here and questions.

It used to be, is there a- A golf course? Yeah, golf course, of course. Like yeah, it's a golf course. And now, so now on the family vacation, it'd be my three boys, we'll go play golf, and then I'll get my wife and my daughter, they'll get a massage.

It sounds to me you found another outlet to compete in and compete with yourself and give you that kind of like, you're investing something where you could see result and you've got a chance to go out and feel like you're competing. No? Man when I'm on a golf course bro. Even if you're not doing that but you're taking those mental reps and those. No for me what playing on a golf course is actually relaxing in regards of I'm not playing against you. And it's the dang course. Like the course is beating me up.

And it's actually the only place that I kind of tip toe. Like I get in a sand trap, I'm like, oh my, I'm scared. Like the sand trap, cause man, we could be here for four hits or, you know, or we gonna hit that, you know, we gonna, you know, now we gonna hit that, you know, we gonna... You know, nah, I'ma take that stroke. I walk up to the sad trap, like, oh, you gonna be cool? Two inches behind, open the stance, open the face. Like, I just, so like for me, man, I just, I enjoy,

I enjoy the peace and quiet. It's why I discovered why I love country music. So I'll be bumping some country music. My boys are like, who is this dude? Yeah, that's awesome. I was out earlier this week. I was out at the driving range. I go to this place in the valley because they have grass.

You hit off the grass. Oh yeah. And I'm sitting there and there's this older dude. He got a lawn chair. And he goes and he takes about eight balls and he chips a couple balls and then he comes back and then he sits in his lawn chair and you hear him on the phone for a second. Then he goes back and he chips like eight more, like little chips. So this is a fucking huge ass driving range. Why is this guy chipped right here?

I was like, whatever. And he comes over and he's going to get a new new basket of balls. He goes, hey, baby, you need a you need a basket. I'm like. It's fucking Smokey Robinson. Smokey Robinson brought a lawn chair to this fucking this driving range, and he just sits there and he's hitting chips. And I was like having a rough day and I went out to the driving range to just kind of like

chill and it made my day. Like Smokey Robinson, he's like, hey baby, you need a basket of balls? I'm like, no man, you Smokey Robinson? He goes, yeah, what's up baby? I go, I met you at the Clive, you know, so I met him before, he had no clue or anything, but it was so fucking cool and it's such an outlet.

I use it as an outlet as well. For me it's to compete with myself and try to put something into something like I did when I was playing and be able to see some kind of result that's positive in my life. Yeah, so- Somewhat, you know?

My wife, if she sees this, she'll say, just stay in the shallow pool. Stay in the shallow pool. You go too deep. But for me, golf is not an outlet in there. Sometimes when I'm playing golf, and it's a time where like, it Sometimes when I'm playing golf, and it's a time where like, it's when I'm learning life where,

think about this, so we play in nine holes, right? And you hit a, generally, you either hit a good or bad shot on the first hole. And it sets the tone. But it's somewhere in the middle. You don't play very good. So let's say hole three, you hit the, hole two, you get a par. Or God bless you, you get a birdie.

Circle. Boom. Hole three or four, you hit the ball and it goes wide right and you start yelling and cussing and you getting upset. I used to look at that and I'd be like, man, I didn't do a club, I didn't got mad, and then it hit me and was like, yo, two holes ago when you got that birdie, you forgot. And now you're complaining that you can't find your ball, but you didn't actually even appreciate the birdie.

Yeah. So for me, it's like, it's a guy moment is going, bro, sometimes if you can find your ball, you just need to be thankful. That's my- That's how we play. That's how we play. But there are so many people who have this expectation

that you're gonna play even golf, and you ain't never played even golf in your life. You are 22. You are 14. I'm a 14.9. I was like 25. I'm getting better and better. But sometimes I just like going out there and remember, what am I doing wrong?

Oh, well, yeah, you're trying to swing like you're hitting a baseball. Oh, well, yeah, you're trying to swing like you're hitting a baseball. Oh, you're all upper body, you're not usual, you're going back. Slow, and so it's like golf for me is the only time that I'm kind of tiptoeing, and it's great because it's like, oh, hmm. And the kids are like, yo, who's this guy?

This pop. Well, so how is Steve Smith, the golfer, different than Steve Smith, the football player? That's why I don't- Now, do I call you senior? I mean, I prefer. All right, then I'll, my bad. No, it doesn't bother me. I just mess around.

I mean, that's why I quit playing, bro. It's like, it's too much. It's too much to be angry all the time. Yeah. Right? To be grumpy. Happily miserable. Yeah. That's what I used to call it. I was in the same mindset, bro. I used to look fucking,

keep going. You're preaching to me. And so I was like, bro, and so I was like to go backwards, because people would be like, oh, I know you miss it, huh? Like, nah. Bro, like the stuff that I would have to do to get up for a football game, like I was, when my boy was in the car with me, he, like the stuff that I would have to do to get up for a football game, like I was, my boy was in the car with me. He was like, I was showing him, I was playing all the songs I used to listen to before I go out of the tunnel. Pre-game.

After I do my warmup. What is it? It was Young Buck, Bang. What else was it? It was a young buck, bang. What else was it? Black gloves. Yep, black gloves, black mask, biggie, two-pod, like all that stuff that was like super inappropriate. Like if my kids are listening to it now,

it's like, we need to go, we need to talk. Yeah. Yeah. But, and then I come out of the tunnel, like, ah, and it was like my outlet now. It's like, I don't need that, bro. Yeah. Like I don't need to be. It takes a lot out of you.

Yeah. It's exhausting. It is very exhausting. Right? Yeah. The self motivation, like you said, when you do it for a long time. It becomes you., when you do it for a long time. It becomes you. Becomes you, but it's also, you know, like because of how good you played, you always

had a constant standard of what people looked at you. And for you to go out and meet that standard every week that you created because of your play, you know, sometimes when it's week eight, you're playing goddamn Chicago Bears that are fucking dog shit. It's hard to get up sometimes when you're banged up. You know what sometimes when it's week eight, you're playing goddamn Chicago Bears that are fucking dog shit. It's hard to get up sometimes when you're banged up. You know what I mean? You have to go out and create. I would have to create stuff in my head to get you up.

And that's exhausting. You know, the routine. I would create my dislike for you in watching film. Yeah. Like I was like, I don't like the way he did that. Right? C-Belt? They all do this. What about Lil superman cape. No, I was a I never really you five now. You can't never ever be Superman. You know what I mean?

More Mighty Mouse. Like people always say like, oh, man, he's he has Napoleon complex. I've been five nine pretty much my whole life. I'm pretty comfortable at my height. You were so you were big five nine since you were young. No, I wasn't a big five-nine. I was like five-five. I've been short my whole life.

Yeah. It hasn't bothered me. Now, I do have hope for a growth spurt because I've been wearing, why is that so funny though? No, I'm joking. Hey, I'm still waiting on that thing too, man. I'm five-five still.

Bro, like when I was in like ninth grade, I was wearing a nine. So my foot was going on my, but I was like, you imagine I'm five, six, wearing a size 11 and a half, size 10 shoe. And like I'm a size 12 and I can, I never filled in my shoes. Yeah. So you still might have a spurt there.

Yeah, I doubt it. One of my boys got it though. My son, Boston, he's a 6'2". His name is Boston? Yeah. That's tight. What's the story behind Boston? I would just like to know.

It was not a Jackson, Boston, and Noah. And there was a car salesman, we were buying a car, he was a car salesman, his, and Noah. And there was a car salesman, we were buying a car, he was a car salesman, his name was Noah. Oh no, I'm sorry, Jonah, Jonah. After that transaction, nope, took that name off the hat. That's the film right there, ain't it? Huh? That's like when you watch films.

So, I have to bring up. Oh, the first time I really started. I mean, I knew you as a kid when I was playing. Not a kid. I wasn't like that much like seven years younger than you. So whatever. But it was when I got drafted by Scotty O. Scotty O'Brien.

He made me sit with him Scotty at five o'clock in the morning. And he gave me the whole game plan of what he would tell to the special teams meeting that day so I had to sit in all the meetings and he'd make me watch Punt Returns of you and Medcalf and he would sit there. I had to watch Punt Returns of Medcalf.

Yeah. Scotty was fun. Scotty O is crazy. Yeah. I love him though. I love Scotty O. You like him? Probably not. I respect him.

Yeah. Man, he was so tough on me and just the way he was. I just, I didn't take that kind of coaching like as yay. Yeah. You love me. I took that as like side eye. So I kind of like. He loved you bro.

Bro he did not show it. Because he's like that, you know who he was like, he's like that with Matthew Slater. Really? Matthew Slater. I love Matthew Slater. Yeah, he's the best human being in the world. Bro, but Scotty just, he was tough on me man.

And just, he just like, what else, how can I describe Scotty? Oh, it's like, like onions. Like onions, how? I mean, you need it. Like if it's a burger, you need it on there. But then when you bite into it you kind of like oh man too much onion. But you but if you take it all out you're like no I need some onions.

The onion can't be too thick. But it can't be not not enough. Yeah so you can taste it when it's not there. Yeah. But you're kind of like do I need this much? Yeah it's kind of like but you're kind of like, do I need this much? Yeah, it's kind of like when you go to a place that's a little lazy that just cuts the onion straight and half, like it doesn't mince the onion or cut the onion up where you have pieces of onion and then you get the fat chunk on it. It's kind of like-

Well, the reason why I say that is, so when he left Carolina, he went to Miami. Yeah. And Miami, which we've gotten over, Sam Madison, we played against each other and Scottie kinda made and like suggested Sam do some things to get me riled up. And I knew where it came from. And at that time I was only in my fifth year.

Man, it kind of hit my soul a little bit because a guy that I respected and admired, Scotty, and how he had them do that. And so it just kind of was like, it kind of, what it did, and I'm connected to Dots now, it kind of traced back to growing up to where, see you can't trust people. See, the people you think that really are in your corner,

when they move on, he's instructing you, he's instructing Sam to do a few things that indicates how he really feels about you. And so that was like, for me, it was like, all right. It's a wrap. Actually for me, I got you. I got you. But my got you is, I'm done dawg.

Done. Gone. Like the wind. No, like, damn shame what happened to him. Yeah. Take a moment, keep it moving. Yeah. Pretty crazy. Pretty crazy.

Pretty crazy. I was just picturing it. You're like awkward. You like getting people awkward. No, bro, I just realized like I just realized. You like people walking around you on eggshells. You love it. I actually I don't.

I don't, it sucks. Because there's a lot of assumptions. There's a lot of assumptions about, oh I know what you're thinking. Really, how? That's amazing, I don't even know myself, but you do. Unique, wow, interesting. So I don't.

It's one of those things where I've created this whole persona that people actually think they know me and they don't. And the reason I say it is because I'm discovering myself of little things about myself. I said earlier in the fucking interview, I know him but I don't know him, but I know him but I don't.

Clearly I don't. Clearly I don't. Nah, but it's like now that I'm done playing, a lot of guys that hit me up, or they's like, what's up bro? And I'm like, nothing. And when I come up to them, it was like, wow. Because when I played, I didn't talk to anybody.

I mean, how many times we've been on the same field and I was, you'd be like, hey, and I'm locked in. And then I go back and I'm like, man, I missed an opportunity. Like, bro, one of the craziest things, Jules, I loved your game. Yeah. Bro, just the way you played, how you played, how they took you from quarterback and then the receiver

and how like all these people all just, he came out of nowhere knowing how much you grind and all that stuff, man. And hell of a football player, your acrimate, understanding how to do things, set up the corner, set up the play, knowing that your quarterback is very high, strong, it has a huge, huge threshold and responsibility and expectation.

You met that every single day with practice and preparation than you did in a game. And so, like I love, and when I look at players now at the age I'm at, like I can actually look at their game and I admire it, but I also look at it in my head as an athlete, what they need to work on. Because I believe that defensive players have, they have, they know your deficiencies.

Oh yeah, the good ones. Yes, and the scouts. So I believe that you have to know what you're not good at. Like if they know it, you need to know it. Without a doubt. And so like, you know, so sometimes I come across as a hater, but it's more of like, bro, we all know

what the cake tastes like with all the ingredients cooked perfectly. But do we know what the cake tastes like when you're missing the baking soda? It's a little floppy. It's a little nasty. It's nasty. It's true.

I agree with that. It's tough to be on TV and promoting the game and have to be real without hurting people's feelings. Yeah, I didn't know I was promoting the game. Well, just in general. I'm still figuring that part out. Yeah, but you know what I mean? Exactly, so.

So I grew, I played with, you remember Anthony Magazoo? I played with him in college. Okay.oo? I played with him in college. Okay. And then I went back. A quarterback. A quarterback. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Lil' Max. Lil' Max.

He used to be, they used to all be in practice, man. Yeah, he was telling me some stories. About me? Yeah, he goes, I go, I got Steve coming on. I remember you used to talk that he was close with your family. Because he, you know, he said you guys were very close. We're very close, very close, man. Unbelievable things to say, but he loves you.

Oh man, his family and Mags passed away, man. And Mr. Mags, and it meant the world that you went to that funeral. Well, because that's who he was, man. It was unfortunate, but like we used to have a, true, when Anthony graduated high school, me and Jake were at his graduation party at the house. He was telling us playing hoops.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. All the time. Oh, absolutely. Dominating kids. And then he said, he said, you and Macown played in a flag football fucking league? Yeah, me and Josh. He was my quarterback. I was receiving. Played a little DB too. I was clamping him. Clamping him. Now, what were you, did you get, he said you...

I re-broke my arm now already I broke. You couldn't get enough on him? Is this an off season? Yeah, it was an off season? Yeah, it was an off season. Off season? Yeah. So what makes you sign up for a fucking YMCA? Just fucking to have fun,

to go fucking compete against mother. What made you sign up to go play this? Well, first of all, I had donated. So we were playing on field 89. So I mean, I thought it was got to. You got it. It's your field. My field.

I just liked playing, I just love playing football. And I always felt playing flag helped me in tackle because it helps you process. Spacing. Spacing, thinking fast. Yeah. Right?

So I was just playing. I was just chilling. Mag said he got in so much trouble because when you got hurt, big pup Mag fucking yelled at him, chewed him out. He's like, no, you couldn't have him playing out. He's like, I'm not going to tell him he can't play out there. I just still couldn't believe you were playing a flag football.

I was having fun, too. How many games did you play? This was multiple games. Was this like a weekly like prep? It was a spring league. He was playing in the spring. How was Josh McCown on the field? Oh, Josh is a heck of an athlete.

He can light it up? Yeah, he was playing wide receiver. I was playing quarterback too. Yeah. Yeah, safety, linebacker, we was balling. We had fun. What do you think about the Olympics and the flag football?

If you were playing, if you were in your prime and the Olympics had a flag football, would you try to play? I would and then I probably wouldn't be on the team because it's just too intense. Yeah. I would have loved, that would be insane to go out and try to get a gold medal.

Is the games completely, is it different though? Or is it the same? Like is there- No flag is like, the flag leaves, now it's a lot of laterals, it's pretty good. Yeah. Like it's some, they be running some plays, they can play.

Now to say, now I would say there was the guy talking about he's just good as Patrick Mahomes. Oh yeah. That member of the quarterback. Yes. Yeah, I didn't, no you ain't. No. Like everybody was letting that slide

Now he ain't not even close bro, I don't care what he's saying that he can do it not and God bless him I believe him. Yeah, he ain't Yeah, could could Patrick go not even know the rules of that and I don't know but I know that dude is not as good as Patrick myomes. That's all I'm saying. What we do, like you know how this whole debate came, football players play basketball, I don't think so. I can dribble the ball, I can dribble.

That doesn't mean I can play in the NBA. I found out very quickly that I'm not a good basketball player. I had an accident. What kind of accident? I found out I couldn't play. What was the accident? The accident was me trying out. For who?

High school. So, can you explain the scenario? Just wasn't very good. I was not a basketball player. You were just too physical? No, bro. I just was not a a basketball player. You're just too physical? No bro, I just was not a good basketball player. I did not have all the key fundamentals of being a good basketball player, like scoring points.

Yeah. Yeah. I wasn't like, I was a football player. I played a lot of basketball, but I was always a football player playing the basketball and I was just quick. Yeah. I could steal the ball.

Yeah, I just. I never knew basketball, like the vision. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like I didn't know, it didn't come close to me like on when you're running a route or when you're on the football field when you're setting someone up. I didn't know the cutting that well.

It just didn't come to me. Yeah, I just don't think everybody can play everybody's sport. Without a doubt. They think they can and that's great. Not me. Yeah. We'll be right back after this quick break. What's up everyone. Football is in full swing and you know what that means.

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Apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Well, let's go back into time around when the game happened. This is a segment where we talk about pop culture. This game took place on January 10th, 2004. The number one movie was Lord of the Rings Return of the King. Lord of the Ring guy? Yeah. You like that one? Yeah, I do.

Me and my wife are actually rewatching it so we can watch the series. Yeah. It's on Amazon, right? Yeah. I've tried to watch it. It's tough for me. Ooh, Outkast.

Outkast? Okay. Are you a big boy or are you Andre 3000? Both. Both? Both. Cause they were Outkast at that time. Yeah.

I was in prom and this song was was this song was actually you were going. That's what you took out Jerry Rice's. Yeah, exactly. We were. So you like a fuller picture was. Oh, yeah. Britney Spears has her surprise wedding after tying the knot with the backup singer was at the backup singer.

This was the other backup dancer Backup dancer, Jack? Yep. For what? I think like her tours. Only lasted 55 hours. Yeah. Crazy times. We skipped out.

Big fish, along came Pauly and you got served. We're all popping off in the... Yeah. Along came Pauly. Yeah. Okay. Did you watch movies when you played? Or were you just straight ball guy?

Or did you have ball and then you went home and just was like family? What was your, how were you back in 2004? I watched movies. I watched a lot of movies. I still watch movies. I mean I grew up where you go, you know, dad goes to the video store, you rent it out, you know, blockbuster. Like, man that was big time, bro.

Friday night. Yeah, Saturday or like Christmas break, man go rent Super Mario 3 when he was the raccoon. Yeah, and that was three when he got the flower, or no, the leaf. Yeah. I love that. Yeah. No, I was, yeah.

Now, when you went home in 2014, like 2004, what kind of guy were you in the locker room? Like, how did you get away from the game? Or were you all like during football season? Was it football season always? Cause for me, I was football, everyone knew it was football. I had like an hour where I would play video games and kind of catch up with my boys over the internet

before I would do like shit. The internet wasn't that good back in 2004. Yeah, it was dial up. Yeah. Yeah, AIM baby. I had a net zero. Net zero. I don't even remember it. My parents were, I was still a kid then.

Wow. You were like an adult. No bro, you're seven years older than me. At this, so in this year, how old are you in 2004? Between three. I was like 17. It's kind of different. Slightly, a little bit. You making millions of dollars in the NFL, I was like 17. It's kind of different. Slightly, a little bit.

You making millions of dollars in the NFL, I was still under my parents. Bro, I remember 2004, that was 129. Oh, so you remember it. I was 129, 129,000. I remember that first check, I was shocked and surprised. That thing was $3,500. I said, whose check is this?

Surprised why? It was $3,000. Is that a lot or is that not enough? Well, that was not the dream I was sold. I was like, who says, where's the rest of my money? So it was $129,000 for rookies. Like my whole, when I got driving, my whole check was not complaining, so I'm gonna take this complaint.

But when you say everybody's a millionaire, and then you get a check and it ain't no millions on there. Where are they at? Where they at. And I think my whole contract is like 1.2. I got my signing bones, it was 500,000, it was 375. That thing was tricky, yeah.

I was 7,349 grand to my name. Bro, 49 grand I had. I thought I was rich. I had 6,000. Six grand, I had to pay left April 16th after my rookie year. Yeah, I blew it. You learned though, right? Yeah, I learned. Good, good, good.

In the sports world, Patriots went on to win the Super Bowl. Peyton Manning and Aaron McNair were the MVP. Love Steve McNair. All right, peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace.

Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. Peace. In the sports world, Patriots went on to win the Super Bowl. Peyton Manning and Aaron McNair were the MVP. Loved Steve McNair. He's one of my fucking favorites. College football. Jason White? Jason White. He hasn't done anything since.

Since. Wow. USC won the Natty. Now you grew up around here. How come you, did you ever have dreams of going to UCLA or USC? No, they didn't recruit short people. Yeah.

I just wanted to get, I just wanted to go anywhere. Yeah. So my two options was Sam Houston State, San Jose, and Utah. Yeah. And then Sam Houston State decided that I wasn't eligible, which is interesting, but I was eligible for Utah, but it wasn't for Sam Houston State.

And then San Jose State was kind of like where everybody went, that was from West LA and all that stuff and track record with, that was kind of like going back, it was kind of like going back to California, going back to high school, I was like, nah, so I went to Utah. Turned word and die with Peru, Utah. Turned word out, pretty good. Turned out really good.

Heck yeah. This was the year the Ravens swept the defense award, or the awards. Ray Lewis with defensive player of the year, Terrell Suggs with- Today's his birthday. Who? T-Sizzle.

T-Sizzle, happy birthday. And Jamal Lewis, who was a fucking, didn't he have 300 yards this year? I believe so. Let me check on that. What was it like playing with the Ravens? It was dope. I had a good time. Yeah. Yeah. I got close with Ray a little bit when we did Inside the NFL.

Oh, yeah. That was a. I was after. I was doing inside the NFL, too. Probably. Probably. Yeah. So I took the, is that? No, no, no, you did not. That did not.

No, you did not. We'll talk about that off air. We can't say. But Ray. Hilarious. So you come from the Panthers. Yes. You were part of being a huge foundational piece of making that organization

relevant. That was an expansion team when I was a kid and then you guys went to the Super Bowl, competed, fucking played your guys nuts off a bunch. When you go to the Ravens, they're in this era doing the same thing. Ray was already gone, Sizz was there, doing the same thing. Yes, Ray was already gone, Sizz was there, Elvis Dumerville, Chris Canty. Ed Reed. Ed was already gone. Was he gone?

Yeah, I remember, because when I was in Carolina, he was with the Jets. Oh yeah. Yeah, so. It didn't look right. Texans too. The Texans too. I looked even weirder.

And so, but it was great because I was just at a place, I just, you know, I just need a new scenery. I wanted to know what it was like and loved the city. City still shows me love, goes out there. My daughter, Bayley, she's a huge Ravens fan. Like she like, she loves them, bro., she's a huge Ravens fan. She loves them, bro. It's crazy. Is it because of you?

She's gotten into football. My son, my oldest, Peyton, started getting her into fantasy and he created a monster. When we're at the house and we're watching, I'm watching, I watch two games at a time because I like to see the game. She's like, yo, change it. And she's watching four and I'm like, I can't watch four.

I need two. It's too much. You don't do this, the new, what is it, YouTube TV where you split the box? Yeah, she splits it into four. I like to split it into two. I do three on the one o'clock games with the red zone. Yeah.

And then I go re-back and I, and then I watch, I'll like do the condensed versions, like of the games we really need to see. Yeah, 46 minutes. Yeah, 46, or you hit like the highlights and then you hit some of the 46, you know what I mean? Yeah, I do. I generally, I watch half of them and then on a Monday, Monday morning I'll get up.

And then what I started doing is during Sundays, actually walk on the treadmill and watch the games. Yeah. Yeah. Now I heard you watch a lot, you still watching film. I, where did I hear that from? Yeah, I watch film. Who do you watch film with?

I heard you- Myself? I remember, there was, was there a, did you just do a feature or you're watchin', still watchin' film or you were talkin' about it? Oh yeah, on my podcast 89. I think so. Yeah, yeah, so I watch film on guys. Like I'll try to like look and see what's goin' on,

just because, you know how you watch the game and you're like, something's wrong here. What's going on? And so I'll go back and then I'll go back and look. So what I generally do is, if I see something, I'm like, hmm, I'll just write myself a note. And then I'll go back and watch it, and then I'll get the research,

and the research confirms my intuition. Sometimes the research like, nah, bro, you off. Okay, try again. And so that's what I end up doing. So I'll look at a guy, see it, and then I'll go back and study him. And then I'll get, and I'm kind of weird with numbers. So I'll kind of like, okay, let me see how many times

he was lined up outside. Who, well, when he was targeted, was it on the number two corner or the number one corner? You know, was it on the top tier guy, was it on the bottom tier? Oh yeah, you balling against the number two, but you're getting them clamps on. You know, so I look at all of that stuff, you know,

average depth of target, what is the quarterback rating when targeted? How far are you going? What's your yak? How many first downs have you really helped the team get? How many missed tackles? So I try to see, like, what about that individual? His game is good or he needs to work on.

And that's just kinda how I look at it. Who are some of the guys that impress you right now in the league? Give me two. Give you two? Two, two guys that you look at, you're like, that dude's a bad motherfucker. Oh, Justin Jefferson?

What makes him so? Well, his length and the way he moves is ridiculous. In and out of breaks. In and out of breaks. The offense he in, he's mastered it, he knows exactly what to do. He can change up his tempo so well. His release is off the charts.

But then I also favor, because I was an old guy, I favor the old guys too. So I still think Devontae Adams is still that guy. He's never been a four, three guy. But his releases are remarkable. just the way he does. His hands, ball placement, catch radius, body control, tempo. Sudden burst, really good.

Sudden burst, and then his creativity to stack you, even though he's not faster than you. So just him being able to use his leverage. So like, I look at that, but then there's other guys I think that are promising who have the ability. Who's someone that you think that kind of reminds you of you if there's anyone? See, so people ask that and-

I know, it's hard to do that. So the reason why- I just did it, it's bad. I'm not judging you. The reason why I have I just did it, it's bad. No, I'm not judging you. The reason why I have a hard time answering that question is because I also remember that I was supposed to be a fifth round draft pick. I was also told I was just a returner.

So now that I'm done playing, everybody's like, oh, he reminds me of you, but when I was playing, people didn't like me. And so you didn't like me and then there's, you know, we read our stuff on there and they're like, oh, he reminds me of you. But when I was playing, people didn't like me. And so you didn't like me and then there's, you know, we read our stuff on there and they're like, oh, you know, people are like, oh, Steve was just a slot receiver. And I think, really, I was?

Didn't know that. I think the game has changed, but I also think there are players out there who don't remind me of myself because I think they are significantly better. I played the way I played because I was obviously, I didn't have quick feet like Chad. I couldn't do great cone drills.

I rounded my routes. I never ran the same route the same way. So there were things that I did that I used as my advantage, but I ran my routes kind of ADD. Like I was never consistent on doing things. I did it my way. Yeah. But I was really just kind of like covering

for the fact that, man, no, I was just playing on hope and a prayer. And so that's just kinda like, I know I was playing with house money, right? I know that, so just roll the dice, say man, put all the chips in. So when I go across the middle, and I know I'm gonna get hit,

you got a choice, you get hit with the ball or without the ball. And so a few times, like, all right, I get hit with the ball and then I get up and I'm like, man, you know, a guy used to hit me and he'd be like, oh, what you want with that? And so I started getting up, like, if you think you crazy, I'm crazier.

And so it was more like to feed into, like to intimidate and show, bro, I'ma be here all day. Your best didn't hurt me. No, and then I'll get, and then old school football, so then I'll go and I really didn't like blocking, but it was like, all right, I gotta block. And so it was like, they're gonna hit me

so I can hit them. So I really would block and just kinda lean and I realized with my leverage and the way the angles, I could hit them and it was like, oh yeah, I could tee off. And so then, you know, a guy hits you or he'll be talking and then they'll run up, you know, the toss crack and it was like, oh yeah. You hit me.

Or so I'll run and then come back and I can get the corner. Yeah. Or I can hit this linebacker that's chaser. You're going chaser. It hits. Bigger hit. Oh and I'm trying to knock his helmet off. Yeah.

But I would hit him up high. Yeah, yeah. I always respect the game. I never hit a dude down low. If I hit you down low, that was because I didn't respect you. But if I didn't respect you, that means also because you hit me down low. So we have no regards of each other's career.

So guess what? Let's do it then. Head's different. You knock someone out, that's considered a kiss. You take it out knees, that's considered a career. Yeah. And so I got to the point where guys knew I was like, bro, I'm gonna hit you up top.

Yeah. If you hit me low again or you cheap shot me, I got one question for you. When I cut you and they gotta do surgery, my question is what kind of flowers you want me to send you? They look at me, she let me know dawg. And you'd see they go back to the huddle and they're trying to decide,

do I really wanna go there with them? Because- I was thinking they were deciding tulips or roses or something maybe. Nah, they was like really thinking like- Bro, where do you come up with, like did you, you've thought that before. Oh yeah.

You've said that before. Oh absolutely. Now is this spur the moment shit talking where it just comes to you? Or are you like a poet where you have a couple of these, you've thought about these situations, you have a couple on the tool belt for when you see them and say,

is this just free, free burden? It's just, some of it, just like some of them, I'm kind of embarrassed that I like said that. I was like, dang, that was bad. What's the most embarrassing? So I remember, Stewart was telling me one time, Jonathan Stewart, he had played with one of the DBs that were out there and showed the DB had did something

and I just was like, held him down. And I held him down until the referee came and grabbed him. And still he said, man, why'd you do that Steve? What did he do? And bro just like, I was just like, he was born. He was like, hold up. Cause he was born, bro that was just the first thing came out of my head.

Cause I didn't have a legitimate excuse. He was like, everybody's born. But then I was like, I had my head down, but I'm not engaging in that. That was my answer, okay? Accept it or don't accept it. That was the kind of dumb stuff I said and did. Yeah, I mean, ice up son.

But you know how terrible- Ice up son, he didn't finish a game, bro. You gotta put it out on a goddamn t-shirt. You got it on a t-shirt yet? Yeah, they got it on a t-shirt. Some dude trademarked it and offered it to me. I watched it, and I remember as a kid, I remember when we played against each other,

but you have some fucking straight poems out there with how you talk shit to fools. Right on the spur of the moment, post-game interviews, anything. I was sitting there like, this motherfucker should be a rapper. He should be a fucking rapper. You spit like nine right after a game,

the story, it's some kind of funny ass way of doing it. You should have a marketing company or something. Appreciate it. It's fucking gnarly. Jackie, let's get into the game. Should we talk about these Rams real quick? Real quick. This is the 12 and four Rams, Mike Martz, Lovey Smith leading that defense.

Steve Fairchild, the OC this year. Mark Bolger took over for Kurt Warner this year. Got Kurt Warner. You got Kurt Warner six fumbles in the first game. And was a little banged up coming off a seven. Is that why he went to the glove? I think it was because he went to the glove after this year in New York for the first time, then kept it when he went to Arizona.

We'll get into I think we got to do a little look, but I'm pretty sure he told us that when he was on way back. Never trusted a quarterback with a glove. I never trust a football player wearing ASICs. I've seen several. I don't know what it is, you just can't trust a man or just a football player wearing ASICs in practice? Nah. Can't do it.

He's a weird brain to see on the field, I'll tell you that. And a big story with this team was the the home win streak, eight no at home, 14 game home win streak coming into this game. The offense is like late era, great issue on turf, but still led the NFL in scoring almost 28 points a game. Five Hall of Famers on this team. You got Marshall Falk, Orlando Pace, Williams, Kurt and Isaac Bruce. Torrey Holt should be in.

What do you think, Steve? Yeah, you should be surprised he's not. Torrey Holt, Isaac Bruce, Isaac went to Santa Monica. Yeah. Yeah. You did. Mike Ferry. What did you now when you played and you played against guys like this, this group pregame. Did you? Brandon, I'm not even gonna butcher his name.

He went to Arizona. He was a big boy, 86, tight end. He was huge, huge. But when you would play against a guy like Tory Holt or Isaac Bruce. I was used to watching, bro. You watching? Oh, definitely, bro. You watching? Oh, definitely.

Yeah. I mean, Isaac went to Utah. He went to Santa Monica and we always knew. So it was like, I was like, wow. Like, man, I remember my rookie year, we played St. Louis Rams and we were one in 15. And Marshall was out there, he was just, like he had 120 yards at halftime

Trump Kennedy came in and I was standing up watching I was like dang. I was like a fan Yeah, who's getting Molly Wap I was just just watching them. Oh Marshall Falk was unreal. I watched him in this we watched the game. He was so dope. Oh now Yes, Christian McCaffrey or Marshall Fogg, because they're kind of that same player. They're both the focal point of that offense, no? They are, but. San Francisco runs it more though.

I like both, but I'm just be honest with you. I'm favored to Marshall because I grew up in California knowing Marshall was from San Diego State like this dude, like, Isaac San Diego State like this dude. Like, Isaac Keam is on this team, right? No, he actually went to New Orleans by then, but Isaac Keam went to Fairfax. I went to uni, right?

So it's like, these are guys on this team that, like I grew up mourning. I remember, bro, I'm friends with Johnathan Ogden. I remember seeing Johnathan Ogden with that Afro walking at 3rd Street Promenade when I was a kid at University High School. Like, oh, that's Johnathan Ogden. Bro, I met, I met Stokely at the Super Bowl in Detroit.

Bro, it was like, I used to have the Stokely 83, 49ers jersey. Like so for me, going against some of these dudes, man, I was, it was dope, man. So going into this game though, did they still have that, were they still like the big dogs, the NFC? And you guys were still not, like were you knocking, were you the hungry guys?

And they were kind of like that or were you guys not intimidated but like, was it like a feat to beat these, these guys at this time were fucking flying high now. They were, but we felt that we, you know, we. You guys were tough. Yeah, we just had a tough team. Randleball, you had you and Mohammed.

Slick Rick, Slick Rick. Ricky Pro was on there. They had Dan Look, you know, Dan Looker, Tommy Polly. I remember Tommy Polly. It was Tommy Polly. And then before that, they had Brandon, B.A. Brandon Allen, who it was out of Tommy Polly and then before that they had BA Brandon Allen, who it was out of Tommy Polly and Brandon Allen, they had actually drafted

those two guys instead of me that year. Yeah. Yeah, and so then they had Travis Fisher, 22, he was a corner, he was from University of Central Florida. Fred Warner, Fred Weary, he was, he had played with New Orleans, so he was a special team guy, so I went against him. And then Neus Williams, he was great, knew him.

Neus, I saw him recently. Yeah. He's stud. Yeah, so, I mean, a lot of these guys. Were you a Rams fan at all growing up? Because they were, they're- 49ers fan. You're a 49ers Yeah. So, I mean, a lot of these guys. Were you a Rams fan at all growing up? Because they were there. 49ers fan. You're a 49ers fan?

Yeah, bro. Same here. 49ers fan. This is a diehard Niners fan. My dog's name were Dwight and Montana. Really? Yeah. Oh, dope.

Love the Niners. I love them too, man. Jerry Rice, freaking J.J. Stokes. Yup. That T.O. but- Be careful. Stokes. That T.O. But be careful. Roger Craig. High knees Roger Craig.

Huh? High knees. Hey, Ricky Waters. Ricky Waters was a monster. Charlie Gardner back in the day. I looked at Charlie. Oh, Charlie was dope. Yeah, Charlie.

They went to the Raiders. They went to the Eagles too. Then he went to the Eagles. Yeah. Those Niners teams, Ken Norton when he beat up the bag name was I hate him because he went to Dallas Cowboys Morton Hanks Burton Hanks Guy Tim McDonald. Did he ever find you Burton Hanks? Oh, he's trying to suck up to it. Wow so much

Good to know gotta be nice to the fine guy. I'll be over throw a ball in the stands. You get a eight thousand dollar fine. Merton Hanks. I'm like, yo, bro, like you remember, you used to do the little next. Yeah, that was cool, dude. Like you wouldn't give me no money back. He's like, slap it. We're laughing.

Jordi Nelson's a fine guy now. Now, Jordi Nelson's Jordi Nelson's a fine guy. He's a fine guy. Wow. That's unique. We just randomly saw that the other day and we're laughing. Yeah. Jackie, break down the Panthers. Panthers squad, 11 and five.

Second year of the John Fox era. This is two years removed from a one in 15 season. That was the end of the George Seyfried era. Speaking of Niners, Jordan Gross's rookie season, Steve's third year, top 10 defense. Jake DeLome replaced Rodney Pete week one on that Jacksonville game. And the rest is history there. Best damn sports show Rodney Pete.

I just like that show. Yeah. I'm Arnold, but that's a lot of John Sally. John Sally. Yeah. Chris Rose. Chris. Yeah, that's your rock, bro. Oh, and Fox Sports. Steve had a thousand yard receiving season, his first. This is also the keep pounding season with Sam Mills. So that was a big narrative throughout the season.

But yeah, really right. Right. The ship quick after a one in 15 season. And how did you guys turn around? How would you describe this Panthers era? We were kind of surprised, I will. Like when you look at the roster, man, just looking at the roster, these names, Ross Mar, he hate me.

Kevin Dyson, he was a first round draft pick. They can't, the Tennessee Titans drafted him over or before Randy Moss, Carl Hankton, Big Bank. He was from New Orleans. Make you say, ah. Nah, nah, nah, nah.ton, Big Bank. He was from New Orleans. Make you say, uh. Nah, nah, nah, nah. Shout out Master P. Moussa Mouhammed, Ricky Pro, myself.

52, linebacker Brian Allen. He was actually drafted by St. Louis Rams. Will Willis Spoon. Lester Towns, he was linebacker. Hammer feet, he had some bad feet. Greg Favors, he was pretty good. Vinny Churchill was a great special teams guy. Colin Branch, he was pretty good.

Jirard Cooper from Kansas, he was a special team guy. T Cuz was acquisition from Miami Dolphins. Deon Grant, DG was great, he was a safety. Will Hamilton, he was pretty good. Reggie Howard, he was from Memphis. Ricky Manuel was from UCLA. Mike Min Howard, he's from Memphis. Ricky Manuel's from UCLA. Mike Minner, big man was hit you. Tilman, he was kind of there. Dante Wesley, he was a special teams guy from historical black college. Al Wallace, we acquired him from the Miami Dolphins. He was

actually a school teacher. Mike Ruckham went to Nebraska. Ken Rash-Mewson was pretty darn good. He ended up going to Seattle, and now he's a fireman back in Charlotte, obviously. Julius Peppers. Kendall Moorhead is a, he is now a strength coach. I think at Alabama for a long time. Chris Jenkins, big jink, he had went on and went to the Jets.

Heck of an athletic dude. Brenton Buckner, he was an acquisition for the San Francisco 49ers. Shane Burton was a guy, a journeyman. He was an acquisition for the San Francisco 49ers. Shane Burton was a guy, a journeyman. He was pretty good. He had blocked a lot of kicks. Matt Willen, you still see him now on commercials. He was a big six, seven, six, eight guy who was also knock-kneed. Todd Stussy was acquired for Minnesota. Two-time Rez. He was pretty good. He was a he lives in Atlanta. Bruce Nelson, he was a second round draft pick

who we discovered had a, he has degenerative hips. Jeff Mitchell, he was an older guy. Gino James ended up playing well. Then he went on to Miami, signed a big contract, got hurt, never played again. Jordan Gross played at Utah with me. Kevin Donnelly was an acquisition originally for the Houston Oilers.

Then Miami came here. Jermaine Wiggins was with you guys. That's when- Wiggys, no plow. That's when Wiggys came from you guys with Dan Henney. Chris Mangum, pretty good dude. Lived in Mississippi. Ricky Pro, Carl Hanks. Brad Hoover, he was coach of Carolina.

Nick Goins, he was a fullback and kind of like a utility player. Ended up retiring because he got some concussions. Sean Foster, obviously head coach for UCLA. He was dope. Steven Davis, I call him radio. He was coming from The commander's Chris Winkie, he was a fourth round pick He was drafted after me, but he got a bigger shining bonus to me from Florida State

He was a Heisman trophy win at like 28. Yeah, um, he played baseball as well and Rodney Pete great Dude, sweet meet Rodney Pete. That's what he's calling me and Jake DeLong man About know your fucking team. That's how you know, you're a good teammate. That's what he's called. And then Jake DeLong. Man, talk about know your fucking team. That's how you know you're a good teammate. That's impressive. I could never do that, bro. You know you spit a fact about everyone. John Casey, really good friend of mine,

taught me about business. Egg of a kicker. Wow. And then Ty Stussy, no, Ty Sauerbrun. Big, big bomb. Unique. And then- Leftun, big bomb, unique. And then- Lefty?

He was just unique, that's what I'm going with. Was he a lefty punter though? He was unique. Unique? And then Jason Kyle, he was the long snapper. Long snapper for a long time. Damn. That's a first in the Nuthouse of any guest

that knows their team that well, guy by, that's awesome. Who's the unsung heroes of this team? Dan Morgan, I think in that Super Bowl, he ended up having like 17 or 22 tackles, if I'm not mistaken. Jesus. Greg favors. There's a linebacker you're missing that we didn't. Twenty five Mark Fields. Mark Fields is not on here. Yep. Mark Fields was supposed to be on

there. Where's Mark Fields? We pulled from the end of the season so sometimes if there's... Yeah, Mark Fields, he was on there. On Song Heroes, man, to be honest, it was a lot of them because we were like kind of the band of misfits. Like we really weren't't supposed to be where we were being and how we were being there. And so it was unique, right? You had a 5'9 receiver at X, you had an old man who moved in. Then you had Carl Hankton, Kevin Dyson, Eugene Baker. He went to Kent State.

Eugene Baker. Yeah, he went to Kent State. I probably shouldn't say what I was just thinking, so I'll stop myself. Good dude. Eugene Baker, what year was it? What did he go to Kent? How long was he on the team?

Eugene Baker, he's a good dude. He's good. He's played Kent State. Kent State drafted in 1999. Told you. Boom. You don't even know your school. I didn't even know what Kent State No, I didn't even know Kent.

I didn't even know what Kent State was until I went on my visit. Yeah, but he still went there though. I did. No, he still went there. I've heard his name. How much are you guys still in contact? Cause like, this was such a unique group of guys.

Like you still talk to these dudes all the time? Kevin Adonley, he is at UC Chapel Hill. Jordan Gross just moved a couple of years ago, just moved back to the whole Idaho. Jeff Mitchell is skinny, had two hip replacements, two time wrestles in. He's in Atlanta. Matt Williams out here acting.

He hate me. He kind of comes and goes. Nick Goins is down at the beach in North Carolina. Brad Hoover was head coaching. Steven Davis is in Columbia. Chris Winkie is, he was coaching a little bit. He's all over. Rodney's moved to Calabasas.

Kevin Dyson is a school teacher. And me and him play every year. We play golf together in Bandon Dunes. Where's that? Bandon Dunes? Yeah. It's in Portland. This is pretty nice. Oh, it's super nice.

It's public too. It's a Muni. It's outstanding. Ricky Prolin is doing his stuff at some. He's coaching, right? Yeah, he's coaching. He's even coaching. Steve Smith.

Steve Smith now, he's Steve Smith Senior. Chris Mangum, when I was with Baltimore, he came down from Mississippi and drove down and came to the game. Jermaine Wiggins, he's doing radio, I believe. Yeah, he's on Boston. Al Wallace is in Charlotte, Mike Ruckers in Charlotte, Ken Rapsmussen is a fireman.

Chris Jenkins moved back to Maryland. Shane Burton is, I think he's up at the lake. Brice Buckner was coaching. Deion Grant's in Atlanta. Will Hamilton, I think, is in Atlanta. Reggie Howardson in Memphis. Ricky Manning Jr. is coaching with the Las Vegas Raiders. Mike Minter just retired from coaching at Campbell.

Dante Wesley, I see him in Dallas every time. So you're seeing the team. You're seeing a bunch of the guys. Dan Morgan is the general manager for them. Will Witherspoon is doing, I saw him a couple of years ago. He's actually, he has a farm out in St. Louis because after that year, he resigned and got a big deal with St. Louis. So he does that stuff.

So, I mean, I talk to him, I try to talk to him. A lot of guys make sure, me and Jake talk probably once a month. Oh, that's dope. Just checking in, me and Moose talk. So where were you guys in the chemistry factor this year? Was this like your breakout year with him? Or how many years did you have him at that time?

Who? Jake. So this was great. This is when we had, went to the Super Bowl, then opening week against Green Bay, I broke my ankle. So I was out, moose balled, then he went to Chicago, and then next year I came back and I won the Triple Crown. Yeah, that's right.

First, you were the last person to do it before Coop did it. Yep. And then Sterling Sharp was before you, right? Yep. Jerry's fucking crazy. Jerry Sterling. That's fucking gnarly.

That is crazy to be the Triple Crown. Yards, tugs, and receptions. He Hate Me. If you played in the XFL, what would your name have been? I didn't have enough confidence like that. Like, people think I have a lot of confidence, but I really don't. You wouldn't make a stab at it?

No, well. I probably wouldn't have either. I wouldn't have. Now, can we talk about, you were there for so long, you played with Cam. Yeah, you played with Cam. I played with Cam. How was that?

I liked Cam. Cam was- That's not what- No, Cam, when he went to his... I was just... He went to his own beat. Like, Cam would be out there at four... He'd be there at 4.30 in the morning. It was different because it was COVID.

So I only got him for like COVID year. He'd be there at like 4.30 in the morning on the treadmill and like doing his thing. And he's just like... And then he would do some crazy ass shit that make you laugh and stuff. But I'd never been around that. It was just different. But Kim was a great dude. Worked his dick off. Worked hard. He worked hard. How you like him? You liked him? He was- I was at a different- I was at a different- He told me that about you. I asked him about you. He goes- He goes, I was at a-

He goes- He said that exact same thing, I think. He goes, I was at a, he said that exact same thing, I think, he goes, Steve was at a different point in his career when I was there, I was 22, or I was 20 years old, he was a grown ass man. You know, like, so we were in, that's the exact same thing he said. I was not about anything other than ball. I can care less. That's what he said.

Hey, listen though. Yeah. Hey, I was thinking don't think. Damn, that's, it was. I love him though, for that specific, for us though. So here's what I would say, right? I really try not to really talk much about it because one, looking back at how I was

and looking back where I was, man, I wanted to win and I was so concerned about winning. I didn't really care about all that other stuff. That other stuff to me was irrelevant and I was frustrated. You got a taste of it, you were there. Yes, I wanted to win and I knew that my time was coming up Yeah, and so there were times people would like in the organization would say I'm jealous. I

Wasn't jealous. I want to win It's not oh, I'm jealous. No, I wanted to win Yesterday and today's the day So I was I was in a hurry, I was all about, seeing Marty Herney, before they drafted Cam, man I had an offsite meeting with the general manager. And man we had a crazy meeting. When I say crazy, like I did and said stuff in football,

bro, it was just like, dog, what are you doing? Like I go back and I like cringe. Like, oh, my wife does that like, oh. I had a meeting with Marty Herney one time. We met at one of the country clubs I was at and I had my notebook and I wrote down stats. I was like, bro, I am so tired of losing, Marty. And I just wanna win.

And so I had looked up Lin Swan stats, and I put Lin Swan stats of what he had and what I had. And I said, you know, statistically, I have passed Lin-Suan four years ago. I said, but you know the difference between Lin-Suan and me? Lin-Suan understood that if he set aside his personal goals, that he would exceed anything he can achieve because the team goals were so much bigger. I

Said my Statistical goals are less and the team goals are less. Why am I here? We're now winning and I'm not getting stats He looked at me and that was the first time, like he was like, he thought it was gonna be like a cussing out section. I was like, no, I'm trying to figure out.

I remember saying, Len Swans, when he was with the Pittsburgh and his goals were so high, he knew that he would surpass anything personally he can do because the team goals statistically were gonna be remarkable. I said, I'm not doing either, so why should I stay? What am I holding out for? And he looked at me and he was like, and then I stopped and I said, now it's your turn.

He said, I need to get back to you. Because he thought it was about, and I was just like, bro, I'm just, I wanna play, I love this game so much, but I also know what this game is. This game is about statistical stats. And so it just like, so when Cam got there, man, I was so burnt out and so,

I was such a complainer about not winning, that I did not have patience for all that other stuff. Didn't have patience for him to develop. I was 30-something. I get it. And so, it was very complicated and it was a loaded situation. And then we had Coach Rivera, he was getting his feet wet

and he was trying to figure it out. And it just, I was like, man, this ain't for me, dog. You get old in the same spot for a while when things start going, I was a cranky old guy for a while. But what's funny is when I left and went to Baltimore, like the Ryan Kalils, the guys who were young, the Luke Keighley's, they started when I came, when I was playing they were like, I'm starting to be like Steve now, I'm all grumpy. Yeah. I was like, oh, you know. That's how it goes. Yeah. What is it? What is the Batman quote?

You long enough as a hero you die the villain or something? Oh yeah, yeah. That's my quotes. I love movies. Jack, let's see what this game's about real quick. Alright, let's get into this thing. This is the number two seed versus the number three seed. Panthers coming off a win against Dallas. Steve balled out that game. That was at Bank of America. 135 yards and a tutty the week before. So coming in riding high. This was the best first quarter

offense versus the best first quarter defense. So we only see three points in this first quarter. Three. Nothing. That would be a theme throughout this game. Field goals, eight combined field goals this game. Some field goal misses also. Then in the second we get this weird first score they touched down for the Panthers. Weird bamboozle fumble pitch. Moose recovers it in the second, we get this weird first score, the touchdown for the Panthers, weird bamboozle fumble pitch. Moose recovers it in the end zone.

Panthers get up. This was to put them up seven six tack on a field up 10, nine at the half. So fewest. I mean, this was like a very low scoring game, which was surprising given given the offensive prowess of the greatest show on turf. So just kind of a you know, it was gonna be a weird game, a long game, a war of attrition after that first half. What was it like playing that turf, bro?

That turf was dope. I mean, I had on tennis shoes, so you would come and use them. I think I was Reebok then. Yeah, you were rocking Reeboks this game. Yeah, I was Reebok. I was moving too. We saw one of the the Rams guys had on some 16s. Looks like the golden blue 16s.

Jordan. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That was Marshall. Oh, yeah. Falk used to play in those. He was even playing. See this football mind I got. Steel trap, baby. He fucking just rattled off every teammate, their their dog's name, their where they live and their investments. Hey, dog, Dan Looker, Dan Looker was supposed to be in that dude though.

Who? Dane Looker, he was supposed to be that dude. Was he? Yeah, he was supposed to be the guy that replaced Ricky Pro. He probably, Ricky Pro had some really good seasons with you guys and with the greatest show. He won, didn't he, when he was in that Super Bowl? Yeah.

With them? Ricky Pro was a good little player. Slick Rick. Is he, how tall is he? I think I didn't he, when he was in that Super Bowl? Yeah. With them? Reggie Pearl was a good little player. Slick Rick. Is he, how tall is he? I think I've met him. Is he? I mean, everybody's taller than me, so I don't know. 5'11"?

How tall are you? 5'10"? Yeah, see, I'm short, so I'm just kind of used to it. Yeah, I get it. Same. I was just hoping he would be in the short game. They list Pearl at six feet. Yeah, he's six feet.

Once you hit six, it's not as cool. Yeah. Now that it's over, it's cooler that you're shorter, because then it lets you know that you were able to go and do what you did on the field against those guys at a... That's how I think about it. Bro, I didn't even know I had 163 yards. Yeah, if you know that big one. And John Fox was opening up the playbook early this one,

two end arounds at the beginning. You threw one loose early in this. I know. Tragic. So this game's going on. You guys are going into overtime. What's the mentality of the team, like going into that second overtime after, like?

I mean, we weren't even supposed to be there. You're playing with house money you're feeling like. Yeah, and then you can see I had a visor on because Travis. Poked you in the eye. Yeah, he poked me in the eye. In the fourth quarter. Yeah.

That fucking hurts. It does, especially when you got your eyes open too. Yeah. See? That was back when they had the major and the minor face masking penalties. They threw the major on him, that one. What? Like the, like remember you could get a

15 yard face mask or like the And then when I came back after the visor he jammed me again and thing in a rat That was the first time the ref was like a another one of those I was like No, shout out to the visor. That's crazy. They didn't call that stuff back in the day. Really? It was it was very, it was very apparent. Cause I was watching some of these guys, I saw a full back, he broke out and he kind of went out of bounds,

a guy like a second later, fucking. Yeah, but this one was, you can see it, it was like he hit you with the three-stoo. Nya, nya, nya. Was it intentional? No, it was a straight accident. He's an offhand jam guy? That's usually what they get, you get the offhand jam guy? That's usually what they get.

You get the offhand jam guy, sometimes they miss you. Nah, he was double jam, that's how I... Double jam? Yeah, and I kinda lowered. Yeah. What was the turning point of this game though? I'll be, I mean, I had hair back then, I don't know. Bro, it was so back and forth, it was so back and forth, it was so,

it was so back and forth that it was just like, we were just holding on for dear life, man. Now walk us through the walk off. Yeah. You do X-Clown again, you hit it in the fourth quarter, I believe. Yeah. And you had like a 30 yard gain.

Yeah. When you guys line up to call it, it's first play, what are you thinking they're giving you? Are you thinking this is just for a chunk player? Are you do you know that you're going to be covered? Well, I knew it was covered, too. Yeah. So I stemmed inside. I run. I lean. But when I leaned, I leaned so much inside this time

that when he threw it, I wasn't sure in cover two exactly how far or how close or how far the safety was. So when I leaned, I kinda had that lean, like you know that wince. Yeah, and he wasn't there. He wasn't there and was like, oh, I can go. And so that's what it was, but then once I got it, I was like, ain't nobody catching me. Right?

You were fast. I kind of was, I was surprised. What do you mean kind of was? That was crazy. I had a, but I, cause I had a long stride. You did. And so it took me a little bit of time to build up. Nah, but there's very rarely a film of you getting caught.

I've never seen it. I got caught a few times. For being a five, nine guy, to be able to hold your high speed, that's insane. And you had them young legs. Those are young legs. Yeah. As you're, you know, when you started looking at your legs

when you're watching film, you watch your older film, you're like, man, you look like a different, at least I could always see what year my career is through the film of how my legs looked. Really? Through the speed. I don't watch film like that. Young legs. Young legs. When you hit the ends, and what'd you do? Bro, I was so shocked, man. I was like, oh man. Yeah, and then they came and it was dope. How'd you guys celebrate? We got back on the flight. Was it, was it celebrate time or did you guys know you had another job?

We knew we had another job, but it was, it was dope though. Like Mr. Richardson at the time who was the owner, like my family was there. So it was, it was great. Like it was a whole bunch of people there. Man, it was dope. You got like, we can hear walk off in baseball all the time, but to have a walk off in double overtime,

what's that, that's fucking got, that's insane that feeling. It is, but a lot of times just like, I mean, I remember when you were with, I was with the Ravens and you threw that pass. Like you don't really know it until like, it's kind of like over. Over. You don't appreciate it until it's gone.

You don't, man. You never enjoy it. No. I never got to enjoy this, because the next year you just turn around and try to go again. Yeah. I get it.

I get it. Just to sum this one up before we put a bow on it, the Rams came back from down 23-12 in the fourth quarter, touchdown, two point conversion, onside kick recovery, tie it up at 23, convert a big fourth and four on that drive. It's the second game we've done in the last two weeks that had an onside kick recovery.

We did the 2014. Patrick Seahawks. Seahawks, Green Bay. Remember that game? Where Aaron Rodgers and what? Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson threw five interceptions, they still won. Yeah.

Crazy. It's crazy, cause when you see it. Who dropped that pass? His career's never been the same. Oh. There was the running back, who was a running back and wide receiver. Start.

For green back. Start? Yeah, Brandon Bostic dropped it on the onside kick because Jordy Nelson was behind him, he was supposed to be the blocker and he jumped up to catch it like this and hit him right in the face mask. Yeah, that's tragic.

Yeah, that was kinda. To watch the onside kick now, like no one's getting onside kicks nowadays. Not with these new rules and stuff. Even you gotta like tell the team. No, somebody got an onside kick now, like no one's getting onside kicks nowadays. Not with these new rules and stuff. Even you gotta like tell the team. No, somebody got an onside kick. Not yet, not in the new dynamic. Somebody did get an onside kick a couple of weeks ago.

Like two weeks ago. Damn, that just ruined it. I'm dead, it did. It's certainly been neutered. Someone just did it out of the new rules. How you like the new rules? I like it. Doesn't matter.

Like I don't think it matters what- The Cowboys, first ones. Told you like the new rules? I like it. Doesn't matter. Like, I don't think it matters what Cowboys first ones told you. Bang. Yeah. Pay attention. Analyst. Analyst. You're an analyst. I'm an analyst. I've been trying to get this. You know, I've been having to do all this research for this interview. He's too busy watching Young Legs on the film.

Young Legs. Jokers, everyone's got a joke now, huh? Everyone's got jokes. That's tight. That's tight. That's tight. Is this the most memorable play of your career for you? Or is there a different play? There's a lot of plays like I remember certain little things about nuances.

What's your favorite play that you made? I think this, I mean, this is the most memorable in my path of history. I mean, the biggest play is obviously, to be honest, man, is just making it to the league. Yeah. Like, I respect that, because, you know, I was, man, I used to ride the bus back and forth here

on Wilshire to 321, and I used to ride the bus back and forth here on Wilshire to 321 and I used to daydream, fall asleep on the bus, hoping to play in the league. So, man, every chance, like that's why now, I never say, act like you've been there before. Cause I know once it's over, it's over. There's no take backs, no give backs. There's no take backs, there's no give backs. These deep.

That was profound, I love that. What's the legacy and what's the wrap up aftermath of this game? And then in overtime, we get two missed field goals in the first overtime. To end overtime one, Mark Bolger throws an interception, which would set up third and 14 from the count of one. Who Bolger reminds me of a little bit?

That could be Lion. Bolger, I was looking at the film. Kind of reminds me of Jimmy G the way he throws it. I've never called a Jimmy G pass with Mark Bolger. That thing like butter, bro. I called it one of his passes in the Pro Bowl. Yeah. Boy, that thing was.

But like how the throwing motion, they're both kind of keep it low, and they kind of let that little quick release. I'm a little biased on quarterbacks. I think they get way too much credit. So I'm like, I'm very critical of quarterbacks. Like I'm very judgy of quarterbacks. Gotta be.

Super judgy. I mean, they're the ones that gotta be judged the most. They're making the most money. Yeah, I'm very judgy. Like who? Everybody. All of them? What was your judgment on Tom?

Nothing. Tom was crafty. Crafty. He was. Who was your favorite quarterback growing up? Steve Young. Steve Young? I like Randall Cunningham.

I liked Troy. Cunningham. Yeah. I like Troy. Troy was good. You know who I loved though? Like, too, I thought he was just crazy good. Keith Byers. Keith Byers. Yeah. He was like a full bag slash half bag.

Going number 41. What team? He was with Philadelphia Eagles. Dolphins. Dolphins. Pats, Pats for a minute. Yep, Pats for a minute. Wow, your football acumen is very disappointing.

Been hitting the head a lot too. Oh wow, is that what you're going with? That excuse doesn't work here. That's terrible. That was Steve, Ken doesn't work with Steve. No, no. Jackie, final score That was Steve, Ken doesn't work with Steve. No, no. Jackie, final score on this one, 29-23. Panthers walk it off, baby.

Would go on to beat Philly in the NFC Championship, get to the Super Bowl as we talked about earlier. And then one little last fun fact here. This was an old NFL Europe matchup. Jake DeLone backed up Mark Bolger for the Frankfurt Galaxy in 1998 galaxy for all you NFL Europe heads at home just throwing that one in there I just did I wish they had enough for Europe when I was younger that would rock man I probably would have been over there I could see you over there mm-hmm wouldn't that been cool if you're a

practice squad guy or something you got to go live in Europe for a year and play football no not at my work here. I was ignorant, nope. Yeah, but now that I look on it, like now? Now, yes, I'm like, let's go! But no. Who's the Mount Rushmore of Panthers? Man, you ain't giving me a trouble.

I was passed. Passed. It's a cool pass. I mean, for me, it always starts with Sam Mills. Yeah. Shout out. Everybody else other than that, everybody under that do what you may. I'm not getting involved in that.

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We gotta name the game. What's the name of this game? or wherever you get your podcasts. We gotta name the game. What's the name of this game? These are a couple things that we came up with. The X-Clown game, the Turf Killer, RIP greatest show on Turf, Pretty versus Gritty. Or do you have a different name for the name of this game? It's the X-Clown game, that's the name of the game. The X-Clown game, we'll go with it.

Score the game presented by DoorDash. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Stake, zero to 10, decimals okay, the stakes of this game. What? You gotta score it. Like the stakes.

Like the importance of like. Oh, 10. 10. 10, I go with a nine. Winner going to win. Wow, you just, you. You gotta watch the show. Oh ten ten ten I go with a nine You gotta watch the show I didn't watch it I didn't watch it to the end Yeah, they gotta watch the very end if it's a Super Bowl It's it's like a nine five if it's a Super Bowl with like importance like they're going for a double repeat or something

You know, then it's a ten. Oh, sorry Like space jams games like ten because like world was at risk. That's the standard. No. Star power of the game, zero to 10. Jacket eight, nine, eight, 10. Ooh, is it based on today or is it based on back then? Back then.

That's a good question. Back then. Back then. Ooh, five then, back then. What about today? What would the today score be? Bro, 15. 15. So back then a five. Six about today? What would the today score be? Bro, 15. 15.

So back then a five. Six Hall of Famers in this thing. Six Hall of Famers. And some futures. And some futures. And some futures. See? Jason Sehorn was out there.

Hey, he is the Michael Irvin killer, Jason Sehorn. How was playing against Sehorn? I don't know, I ran past him. He's a good dude. He lives in Charlotte though. Our kids went to the same school. Great dude. That's right. I forgot about that. Yeah. Star power for me, I'm going to go with like eight.

Jack had a seven, nine, I had a seven, eight. The gameplay of the game. How the game played out. It was very, it was white knuckled. So I would say a seven. Seven? I go, I mean there's a lot of fun plays in this game. For the viewer, onside kick, miss field goals, nail biters. Double overtime?

First double OT game since 1986? I don't even remember the last time. The sixth longest game in NFL history? Yeah, I gotta go probably eight and a half. Jack had a 9.3, I had a 9.1. That game was awesome. The name of the game, the X-Clown game. Score in relevance, in importance of all time,

how people are gonna remember this game. Oh, I mean, our history is a 10. 10? You say X-Clown, people know what you mean. I knew what it meant. I'll go with the 8.8. Wow. Jack had a 9.1, I had an 8.4. Well, I mean, we've had I'll go with the 8.8. Oh Jack at a 9.1 night

Well, I mean we've had the immaculate reception game there's like 8.44 That puts us tied for like 16 17th with WrestleMania 35 with big two belts What is this double comeback game Raven Patriots 2014 Right by the double come back good top 20. Oh Okay, it's really good. I'm just I've never watched to the end So I'm kind of I'm like doubled like I'm looking at this. These are all the games we've done. Oh, wow We've done the shenanigans.

We did the Yankees Red Sox. Oh, the wheelchair game. Is that what Paul Pierce? Shed his pants. He did not. He did not. He's doodoo'd. No, we confirmed he didn't technically. That's what he says.

What? We go by it. He didn't shit his pants. I don't believe him. Steve, where do you stand on that one? On what? Did he or did he not? What? Poop on himself.

Man, that ain't my problem. Me neither, I'm a Paul Pierce lover. Hey, well, that ain't got nothing to do with me. Whatever Paul says is gospel. We did the wide right game, that was tough. Before we wrap up, I'd love to ask you a question. This season you went on to play the Patriots in the Super Bowl, Ty Law's a friend of the show.

I would just love to hear going against Ty Law, what that's like. It was dope. Like, Ty Law's very skilled. I end up, man, going against him and the Patriots was cool because we had this whole deal we weren't gonna get pushed around like they pushed around-

Colts. The Colts. And I was like, bro, they are, mm-mm. That is not happening with us. But Ty, like he, when he went to the Jets, we had like a little, I had a motion, and there was a play coming this way, and he recognized it by alignment and assignment,

and shot the gap, and I got yelled at. I was like, man. So I just remember he was like really smart. He was real smart. He's a Hall of Famer, man. But you know what I'm saying, like. So I just remember he was like really smart. Real smart. He's a Hall of Famer, man. But you know what I'm saying, like it's just like, there's little small things that like, you know, you're like, oh, he's a good player,

but they were like little small things. It was like, man, this dude just- If you're a Hall of Fame corner, you're a guy that knows the game. If you look at all the Hall of Fame corners, they were all, Rivas is gonna be one. He's a- Yeah, he is one though. He's in, Rivas is in. But I hate corners, they were all, Rivas is gonna be one. He's a- Yeah, he is one though.

He's in, Rivas is in. I hate going against Rivas. Cause he knew- With, in, when he was with you guys. The Pats? Yeah, the Pats. Yeah, that was him. We were battling out, bro.

You had a good ass game, didn't you score? In the first half, in the second half we got- Adjustments. Yeah. Made adjustments. Yeah, we, yeah. Steve, we miss anything about this game? Well, I don't think so.

No, that was dope, bro. That was awesome. Yeah, it was pretty good. Anything you wanna plug, ironed out on YouTube, go check it out, folks. Man, go check it out. Anything else? 89 on underdog.

When you can have me on, bro, am I allowed to go on? I mean, we can exchange numbers. I keep talking to you, you're handling it. Well I didn't, it's not even that. It's just, I mean I didn't know what, it's sometimes asking for guys' numbers, you don't know how they're gonna react. I mean, you got a child, right?

Yeah, I do. How old are you? 38. You've been told no once or twice in your life, huh? Few times. You'll be all right then, bro. I will be all right. But no, I wouldn't, I would say, man,

I have not done myself a good service by like kind of how I've kind of carried myself when I played, but bro, I'll be honest, man. I come humbly and come in like, bro, I wanna keep the brotherhood and just like hanging out and chilling, bro. All day. And the fact that you have lived here, so many years.

I've only been here for 18 months. Bro, you've been coming back and forth to LA for how many? Two months of the year. For how many years? Like 10. Okay. But you said you're in North Carolina, you out here? Man, my family's out here.

Like when I got your home address, I was thinking about sending some boys up just to knock on the door, just to let you know. That's how close. Gotta check in? Just check in. What's your name, Steve? Well, we'll exchange numbers and I would love to hang out.

Play golf? Play golf, I would love to. I just didn't know, you know, I and I would love to hang out. Play golf? Play golf. I would love to. I just didn't know, you know, I'm like a rook to you. You're Steve fucking, you're like one of my heroes as a kid. I'm not just going to slide up in your fucking, hey man, it's Julian Edelman, bro. How are you doing? I'd be like, dog, that's dope.

That's how I feel. No, that's what I'm saying. Yeah. So. Let's do it. Let's do it. Yes. What a show. Thank you Steve.

Thanks Steve. Appreciate it. Man, Steve Smith. Senior. Legend. Legend. Guy we've been waiting to get in the Nuthouse for a minute. Such a fan of how he approached the game.

You know, everyone has that thought. Like he even talked about it. What what is Steve Smith really like? But sit here and go name for name and like put a fact a location Like a Snapple fact on every teammate he had from 25 years ago, bro, that's fucking impressive and that's something that's like that's not only like fucking impressive. And that's something that's like that's not only like intelligently crazy

that you can remember that, but like your EQ, like to like know who you're playing with. And I don't know that. I feel terrible. I felt like a shitty teammate after that. I would call David Andrews and Brian Hoyer just to call him and say, hey, guys, how you doing? Deb, what's going on?

Oh, got to keep in touch with the boys. I know. I love that. That was because usually we throw the we throw the rosters up. We go through them. And he was good. I remember every guy where he's at, what he's it was incredible. And also just listening home, we cut down a lot too.

There was more there. There was way more there that we will have retro. Unedited tapes cut down a lot of that too, because he had all of it. Competitor. He might have dropped a couple social security numbers I just wanted to hear some like Bayou stories even Jake DeLome like down in the bayou doing something I know retired those commercials were so funny. They were so do the Bojangles commercial. Yes. There's a Bojangles commercial Do we ask we didn't ask that we didn't get to ask him about the Bojangles Dukes of Hazard. You know, you're all time Steve make you nervous I know I was shook. I was a little bit. I like I like that you're

Like when you get uncomfortable, you got me got me a little nervous I just didn't I mean this is like, you know one of my childhood heroes and he's oh for real Makes me nervous. Oh great great game to great game. All time game baller overlooked. Awesome. I think there's a I hear a ring at the door. There are rings. Our food here. I think our food's here.

You like Ian. I love how he and Niko rocked the the turned up bill. Yeah. The flat bill. I'm more scared of him than Niko, though. Well, Steve's been doing it forever. I think Niko just started. Yeah, N Niko though. Well, Steve's been doing it forever. I think Niko just started it. Yeah, Niko copied him. Oh, it's here. Yeah, baby, that's what I was getting at.

The big doggy. All right. Let's do this post guest segment so we can eat this delicious food delivered by door dash. I have like three slices. I'm like, Jack, what do you mean? Why don't you explain this thing? All right. So we are what we're going to do high level. Kyler and I will be naming all 32 teams go through one by one you say the first food snack

Edible item that comes to your mind fuck we'll do a quick We'll do a little example here. It sounds hard to me and Jack did a test. Yes, it's easy. Yeah, it's not that hard Billy Cheese take there you go that kind of vibe Anything that's your mind goes to that's emblematic of that team that city Cheese steak. There you go. That kind of vibe. Some of you a little tougher than others. Anything that your mind goes to that's emblematic of that team, that city, we'll let it rip. Are you ready? Fast is key. Rapid fire.

Kai, Kai, you want to? Okay, yeah. AFC East. Bills. Wings. Dolphins. Tuna. Patriots.

Chowder. Jets. Italian. Okay. Go to the AFCder. Jets. Italian. OK, go to the AFC North. Ravens. Crab cakes. Good one. Bengals. Skyline. Chili Browns. Gold Star guy, honestly.

Browns. Rock knees. Not dog food. Stillers. Pardinis brothers. What are those sandwiches? These? Yeah, I went there once. So good. Old teammate of mine at Kent State. Drager used to talk about it all a goddamn time. Keep going. Little overrated.

AFC South Texans wing ribs, ribs, coats, Sanomo's freaking little shrimp cocktail that makes you want to throw up with this because it has a lot of shit in it. The spicy horseradish. Shrimp cocktail. The Jags. Shrimp cocktail. The Jaguars. Jags. Applebee's.

We were thinking that's fine. Donnie in Jacksonville, baby. Hey, that's what I thought. Titans. Barbecue. Nashville hot chicken. I see. I don't know Nashville that well. Barbecue. Never really been. But you always get those Nashville hot chicken sandwiches.

Yeah, they have that. What's Dave's over here? Yeah, Dave's Hot Chicken. Is it from? Is it Nashville style? I think so. I said BBQ. All right. Keep going. I do like a Memphis style barbecue. Yeah. Did you know Drake is an investor in Dave's? Drake is. Dave's and Buster's. Okay, AFC West, Broncos, Denver.

Denver omelets. Denver omelets. They're omelets. Rocky Mountain Oyster, breakfast burrito. Chiefs. Kansas City, they have really good barbecue too. That's what I think of them. Yeah, St. Louis Rib, yeah.

It's different styles of barbecue. Yeah. The Raiders. Steakhouse, like I feel like I'm in Vegas. Oakland. Chargers. You know, in Oakland. There'd be some like Steve Korean or shit over there.

They used to have a place in Berkeley that was really good. I loved it. When I go visit all my friends there, Kertie. Chargers, L.A. I'm going with the little it's like the little escuela tacos, little pickled tacos that have ground beef. They're like fried burger taco. It's like a burger, a ground beef taco, a ground beef taco.

That's what a charger is. I like when you order those for the crib. Yeah, they're fire. They're fire. They're fire. And they they use it's they call it the white boy taco That's what I call it right because they use cheddar cheese. They don't use like the real shit. It's pretty yeah, whatever hell Yeah, easy east the Cowboys Dallas big D. Just want a big steak They're not salted egg McMuffin. Oh We can we can amend answers. Jerry, that's. Yeah.

New York Giants. I was going to go a whole pizza, but they're a slice of pizza. Slice of pizza. The Eagles Philadelphia. We already said is cheesesteak cheesesteak. Easy. The commanders commanders. What's something like political bullshit? They got the mumbo sauce over there. They got the bins. The commanders. Commanders. What's something like political? Bullshit. They got the Mumbo Sauce over there, they got the Ben's Chili Bowl.

What was the name again? See, I don't know DC that well. I had a bunch of friends from college that were from DC area. But I don't know, and the Go-Go. I know the Go-Go music. Go-Go, they like that. But for food, this is mostly rapid release,

or rapid fire. First thing that comes to like that. But for food, this is mostly rapid release, or rapid fire. First thing that comes to your mind. Where is that one spot, wasn't there something in one of those political shows? House of Cards was a Freddy's barbecue or something, right? Is that, I don't know if that's real or not though. Frankie's, well I don't think it is. If the crab cakes are Baltimore,

DC's like real crab cake-ish. Yeah. It's real close. Mid-Atlantic. So they probably have good crab cakes, so they have like the little ones. Okay. DC crab cakes, D.C. is like real crab cake ish. Yeah, it's real close. So they probably have good crab cakes. So they have like the little ones. OK. DC crab cakes. Yeah, DC. I'm going to catch some smoke for that. That's OK. The bears don't get so mad about that.

Hey, we're going to Maryland. Oh, my God. What are you talking about? That's bullshit. Hey, we know Cliff, baby. We're good. It's blue. Blue crab, I believe. Right. Because where I'm from over in the, you know, Dungeness, Dungeness, a little sweeter, smaller, the sweeter bears deep dish. But they're not actually I. The deep dish is like tough type pizza.

They're they can't run the ball. And style Chicago pizza. They're the bar, the thin cracker style, the the bar cracker that that's what the Bears are right now It's good pizza But it ain't deep dish about the Lions Lions They're fucking double cheeseburger to me right now double cheeseburger Double Chi Packers there is one answer here. That's correct. Yeah cheese. It's just like a cheese head, right?

But I want like a good Wisconsin white cheddar Mmm Vikings Vikings Dude, I went to Minnesota and I had a really good burger there at Red Cow I think go bratwurst to I feel like oh they got brought. That's what brought where that's all the NFC. Yes Yeah, the NFC North is just brought... It's a real casserole conference. It's a casserole conference. Did you write that? Is that off the dome? Are we still going?

Holy shit! We got a lot of memes in this league, baby. NFC South Atlanta Falcons. Falcons. Chicken and waffles feels played out. Feels like very 2000... Lemon pepper wings. Magic City, we gotta go. I've heard it. I heard 2000 lemon pepper wings. Magic City. We got to go. I've heard I've heard it.

I heard nothing like the wings. It will. It will. Panthers. And we say lemon pepper here. Yeah. The Panthers. It's Carolina style barbecue. Can you put mustard and vinegar? No, I was thinking more like a sardine.

I like that. That's my way. Darn it. And me and sardines. I'm sorry for the fans that support that organization. And I don't even mean to be mean. This is the Steve Smith. Some people love sardines. A little salty for me. New Orleans, give me some Cajun chicken or some Cajun down in the bayou.

Give me some coach. Oh, you know, some gumbo gumbo. No, some brahfish, two feet crawfish. Ridley, he had this dude, he was LSU. He had him drive the same day of catching the the crawfish. We did crawfish bake up in New England. This guy came from early in the day, caught the fish, brought his whole fucking boiling thing, toed it up. We had like a crawfish bake.

Whoa. At the like on a it was a Friday. It was awesome. Like the whole dump thing. Yeah, you dump it. He brought tables. I mean, he brought the whole kit and caboodle. It was so spicy. I mean, the corn was great, but like I couldn't eat for like I had to drink milk for 20 minutes after this fucking spicy. I mean, the corn was great, but like I couldn't eat for like I had to drink milk for 20 minutes after this fucking spicy. And I was sitting there.

You do all the work for a little piece of it's just not my style. I'm with you. And you can only eat so many potatoes. I like I like the what did they put? They put sausage in there. Mm. And Dewey. Yeah. You get the sausage in there. I can't wait for this. It's so spicy. It's really good. Really good. But you can't like it.

It takes hours. We got to start planning our proper. I've never I've done like a cross like a like a low country boil, but never like and I don't know how to do it like that. Like the guys that live there. Like Reed and all the guys are sucking at things like this. I'm over here and fucking dissecting something for five minutes. It's like, is this meat?

Is this meat? I don't know if I need a hammer. My hands like what? I don't know what to do. A little crack snap and go. I know I know it's a crack snap and go, but it's fucking hard. Yeah, I mean, you know, I tip my cap to all those people that can just go through maybe like they go through like 50. They'll eat like 50 of those things.

No, they probably like a hundred They sit all day like rid was there just a lot of the Louisiana guys are on a team For an hour you don't get full though. Yes, there's such little bites. Yeah, it's crazy. All right, what's our next Tampa Bay bucket? Tampa I Don't know chilies I don't know. Chiles. Yeah, sounds right. I don't know. Last conference. I don't know. Tampa. I heard it's a beautiful place.

Is it? Gruden's. Is he got a steakhouse? I think he posts up at hers. We're eating at Gruden's house and we're talking like, nicey football. It went real nicey. Nicey. Oh my God.

Got me feeling nice. Arizona. I always try to whenever I'm in, cause I, when I lived in Boston, anytime I'm in a state that has any kind of Mexican population, I'm sniffing out, I'm trying to, I'm on a search, like national treasure for like the mom and pop Mexican joint.

That's what I want. Mom and pop Mexican. Mom and pop Mexican joint. Rams. I like some enchiladas. En joint. Rams, I like some enchiladas. Enchiladas? I like some enchiladas. 49ers? Bang Bang Niner Gang.

Sourdough, baby. Sourdough. The San Francisco treat. Rice-a-Roni. Seahawks. They're just a nice big fish. Catching, throwing, eating. But I would want that fish like a beautiful whatever fish they eat.

The specialty fish is I just want a little salt and pepper with some lemon juice, the olive oil around that bad boy and pack it in salt. And then you fucking bake that bad boy. Oh, yes. Shout out Ken Oranger. Now we're talking. What is a little used to be with like a brand Zino But I know they got some nice fresh fish over in the northwest recently tossed salmon

What does that mean? Given to it I wonder I gotta go try it I want to go try it but I want to train for it I want to go out there looking like it's like a slap dick. It's your gloves No, no gloves, but you got to like I think it's you got to bring it in you got to watch that bitch in And then came Chancellor will pop out and hit you Oh, thanks door dash, thanks Raj. Let's go eat that food. Yeah. Um, well What a game thanks again to Steve Smith Sr. Gotta get out there and play some golf with him.

No, I'm fucking, I would love to play golf with him actually. It made me think about golf in a different way. Very, very connected to that. Very connected to that. Let your mind just go, you know. You're out there. You're out there. Don't bother me.

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