Games with Names - Tom Segura on the 2000 Sugar Bowl | Virginia Tech vs Florida State

Episode Date: March 17, 2026

Tom Segura is in studio! The actor, comedian, and podcasting great is with us to relive one of the best games in Florida State football history: the 2000 Sugar Bowl. We're talking everything from Tom's love of FSU football to building a podcast empire and a whole lot more.  (00:00) We kick things off. (00:45) Tom joins us on the couch. (45:00) We go back to January 2000. (52:07) We take a look at the teams. (1:11:45) We get into the game. (1:34:00) We score it.   Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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January 4th, 2000, New Orleans, Louisiana. Number one versus number two. Vic, Winky, Beamer, Bowden. for all the marble. But who's going to be partying on old Bourbon Street? This is the 2000 Sugar Bowl. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman.

They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on the search for the greatest game of all time. And we got a great episode today with actor-comedian, podcaster, Tom Segura. And if you haven't already, drop a like, subscribe to get. Games with Names, let's go. Games with Names is a production of IHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names. Today we have a special guest.

We have Tom Seguer to talk over the 2000 Sugar Bowl, Virginia Tech versus FSU. Tom, in one sentence, why did you pick this game? Great game, by the way. It cemented the dominance of the team that I grew up loving. They were undeniable. the powerhouse that you fantasize about your team being, you know? Yeah. Is this the greatest game of all time?

I don't know if it's the great. It's not the greatest game of all time. But I think if you grew up, like everybody, you know, you have your team. You grew up in this era of the 90s, there was always this. This was especially big for the state of Florida, right? Because the state had this rotation of Miami, Florida, Florida State. And they would always knock each other out of contention.

And through this decade, you know, you had, FSU was, they'd won in 93, and they'd come close, got knocked off by Florida once in the previous year when Tennessee beat them. It was such a blow to be like, oh, my God. And you just were like, why? That's the thing about sports. You know, you emotionally invest and you want to get over the hump. And when they lose in 98, you're just like the 98 season, I should say, they, it was such a blow.

And then this season, I think no matter how good you are, you know, you play the final game for a reason. It doesn't matter what the rest of the season looks like. And so you're holding on like, wait, are they as good as we think they are? Like they're lighting people up every week, but you still need to see the game. And it was such a dominant performance. And the fact that, like, of course they were putting up points, but they had to stop Michael Vick. Yeah.

Who was like. Electric. Just didn't even seem like a real guy. Like, it just, what he was doing, a lot of people who only watched him in the NFL, you don't mean, you don't understand, like watching this guy at Virginia Tech was equally nuts. It was just like the arm and the way he could take off running. It was a problem. He's a problem.

And yeah, when watching that game, it was like, it was the celebration of like, oh, they are that team. Yeah. Now, when did you fall in love with college sports? Well, I think a lot of that has to do with the household you're in. So my dad was a big college football fan. So college football was always a thing. I mean, he was brought up in Louisville. So it's like, I think a lot of like South Eastern people,

it's a bigger thing to them, college ball is. His brother went to Notre Dame so that you know how that is. That's just going to mean that like everyone loves Notre Dame then. And then I think also that era, like my dad's era, those guys are like, Notre Dame is like, you know. It's the green of the crop. That's all they. And so like, and then Notre Dame's always had that NBC contract.

So it was like every game's on. Broody. Rudy. I mean, they got some, Notre Dame just Notre Dame. No, yeah, I mean, that's a brand. It is a fucking brand. I mean, also like this year, they're like, yeah,

we're not going to go. We're not going to play in that bowl game. No, fuck your bowl game. Yeah, and like, that's the only team that could be like, I don't think so. And you're like, what? They're like, yeah, we didn't like what you gave us. So no.

They were so mad that who got in? Miami. Miami is a lot of state beat. And earlier this year. Yeah. that year you guys rat that game right opening week one Alabama FSU

FSU yeah this past year was Bama yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah everyone was pissed they were like Alabama's and they lost to Florida State what that's right crazy yeah and then Notre Dame's like we're not going to the freaking Pop-Tart Bowl yeah me Catholics versus Mormons in the Pop-Tart Bowl would have been fun been awesome sprinkles on the Golden Domes no way we're not having that

come on man can we not have any religious warfare right now this is a religious warfare this is a religious warfare This is not the time, you guys. This is just pro LDS. We're pro LDS. We're pro everything here. They, yeah, only Notre Dame could be like, I don't think so.

And then everybody's like, oh, okay. Yeah, they said no. You're like, what are you talking about? It's, I mean, it's crazy. It's like, I was disappointed with that whole thing. With them not doing it. Yeah, of course. I'm like, who do we think we are?

But, I mean, Notre Dame. Yeah. They do have. And it is a smart thing. Like whenever they go to the playoff, usually when a team goes to a playoff, the conference gets paid out $100 million or whatever it is. Yeah. They are not in a conference, so they get all the money.

It's just another thing where they're like, yeah, we don't, we are not going to be in a conference. Yeah. Oh. Because they have the TV contracts. They're that big. Yeah. Like, no, we'll take that money. And you're like, okay, cool.

Yeah. That's nice. Now you grow up in Florida. How do you choose FSU over? Florida and Miami. I actually moved there when I was in as a freshman in high school. So I'd lived in a lot of places in the Midwest. I think I'm trying to remember like the actual time.

I do remember being a kid and Dion. And so like it's kind of, you know, you kind of like this feels like a... How old are you? I'm 46. Yeah, so I'm 39 because I, when I was watching this, I remember just playing Sega college football and like these were the teams everyone would play with. Of course, yeah. Yeah. I mean, so I, we're kind of

in that same generation. Yeah, and so I mean, I feel like, you know, you're watching televised games. I remember Dion, he was drafted, I think, in 89. That I'd have been like 10 years old. And

and then seeing, you know, the garnet and gold, like little things when you're a kid, like the uniform, the, yeah, the war chant, all that. And then when I moved there, I think it reinforces. So I was like, Because when I moved there, I realized that everybody really embraces one of those big three schools. At least at that time, it was like people were really, really into it.

I was actually geographically closest to Miami. But I had already had this affection for FSU. So it even reinforced it more. Most of the people that I grew up with in that area were either Florida fans or Miami fans. There was less in my area that were FSU fans. But that made me dig in my heels even more. And then, yeah, and then like every year you were like, you wanted to have those bragging rights and be able to flex on the other people

about who you were a bigger fan of. So I actually went down to the Orange Bowl more often because it was closer to me. But, yeah, but that time was if you were a college fan in that state, I don't think there's ever been a better decade. No, it was unreal now. So all the panhandle people are all usually more FSU? Yeah, that's definitely. And then the east coast of Florida near north is Florida?

I mean, I don't know it. It's kind of, look, because you have, the state's obviously enormous. And then you have alums and family members everywhere. But I definitely think in that panhandle area, you're going to find a lot more FSU. And then as you go, I feel like Jacksonville area had more Gator fans.

Miami fans also have always been pretty regional to that area, like to the kind of Broward-Dade County area. And then you don't find them, they're not as big throughout the state. You'd find more Florida Florida state. Only in South Florida. Yeah, I feel, I mean, you'll find them, obviously,

in other places, but most of the time you'd find more Florida Florida State everywhere. Yeah. Now, do you have any comedy boyfriends? Yeah, I didn't sound right. Comedy boy.

Pause. Pause. Do you have any comedy friends like that you're on group chats talking college football with nonstop? There's not that many. Any group chats that you

keeps your fandom. Well, my buddy, I have a buddy, John Feliciano. Yeah. Who played 10 years in the league. He went to Miami. and we we definitely talk the most shit to each other because he's a Miami player

um so it was like it was I even but I was even courteous to him this year or I gave him 24 hour morning period before I lit him up about losing to Indiana I know um but usually yeah usually there's a lot of shit talking with him um you know bert's funny because Bert is a FSU alone oh yeah and definitely follows them less than I do like When I first met him, I met him like 2002 or three.

And we were talking about, we met at a comedy club. We're talking about just stand-up stuff. And there was a game on. I was like, oh, I'm going to watch this. And he was like, oh, I went there. I go, you went to FSU? He was like, yeah. And I immediately was like, oh, shit, when were you there?

He went there for like eight years or something. And I'm like, I was like, oh, were you at this game? he was like, oh no. I was like, you don't know when you were there or who you saw. He's like, I mean, I think we won a national championship. I'm like, wait a minute. You fucking kind of think you won a national championship? He was like, yeah, like Charlie Ward?

I go, yeah, like, is that when you were there? He's like, I think so. I was like, you think you were there when you, Charlie Ward was, all right, cool, man. But he didn't know shit about what was happening. But yeah, we went to that Bama game this year, which was that it was such. a tease though, because they were so bad last year. And then we go to the opening game of the season. They had redone the stadium. They had all new suites. It was packed and you're playing Bama at home. And they beat Bama convincingly. And it was all like, we're fucking back. Dude, it's so exciting.

And then it just, you know, it was a tease. So what's the we're back meter at? Like, because we hear this all the time. the time. With multiple different universities, programs, when do you know you're actually back? I think if you really want to be honest about it, it's got to be towards the end of a season. It's got to be. It's got to be the end of a season. And you're probably looking at, I think the gauge for it would probably be a 10-win season where like you're undeniably at least taking care of who you should take care of and maybe beating some people that are surprising, you know,

getting into a bowl game and maybe winning that, you're like, all right, things are on the up now, but you know, week one, you never know, week one is one of the most misleading things in college ball. What is, who's the most overused we're back organization?

Ooh, I love this question. That's a really good one. Like, they always say we're back, but they're never really back. Miami. Texas, Texas. I was, I was going to say Miami. Or Texas? Texas is definitely, yeah. Oklahoma? They're in there.

They're in there. They're in there. They might actually be back. I would say because I would say for the last almost 20 years with Miami, every time they win two games. In a row. People go like, we're back. They're back.

This was the first season where I was like, oh, you have to. And I only gave them that credit during the playoffs. where I was like, all right, I guess when they beat Ohio State, I was like they're back. They're back. They are. So, I mean, it's, it's, I feel like you hear that with the you all the time. All the time.

All the time. All the time. We're back. We're back. We might actually be back. They're back. The U is back. The U is back.

The U is back. Okay, who's not back that thinks they're back? Bama. Still going to leave. Bama's not back right now. Bama is not back. They're not back. I'm still going to say Texas.

That's an easy one, but I got to think of someone better. There's got to be. Arch Manning's going. I think Archie's going to get the ship going. You think so? I mean, I'm rooting for him. I mean, when granddaddy says he going to play two years, this is the second year, he got to play two years. Kids got wheels, too.

He's fast. He's got wheels on him. Coupe was a fucking athlete. His dad. Oh, yeah. I mean, if you asked Virginia Tech fans, Virginia Tech's back. James Franklin, let's go. Are they back?

Are you wearing a V-Ten? Yeah, I am. This season got me into football in sports. Really? Yeah, this game, like, it's hard for me to do this game. You went there. But like, I went to Virginia Tech because of Michael Vick. Dude, you know, I remember when I graduated college,

I had, I worked at America's Most Wanted. Oh, you got to hear about this. And, uh, one of the producers talking to me and, uh, he, he's wearing a, uh, New Tech, like, T-shirt or hat or something. And I was like, oh, you go to Virginia Tech? He was like, yeah. He goes, I go, oh, he goes, what, are you a fan? I go, no, I was a fan of seeing them get their ass kick.

And he goes, did you go to FSU? And I go, no, he goes, oh, I didn't know you could boast about that then. I go, oh, I didn't know these were the rules of sports. And I was like a fucking new hire. He was like, hey, fuck you, kid. And then he just, like, walked away. I was like, oh, I'm about to get fired, I think. Oh, my gosh.

Are you warranted? Are we warranting you in the FSU family to have more merit than a guy that went to Virginia Tech? I didn't graduate. You went there, though. I went there because of football. That's why I didn't finish there. No, but are we warranting Tom on his argument against VT guy at VT boss at work? Can he go and talk shit to him?

Oh, I'm on time. National brand teams. You guys a national brand team. From Florida, the state of Florida? Florida. Yeah. Plus he's like second day on the job And he's already sunning the boss

That's cool too I love that It was not it was not good dude He was and I didn't realize too Like I was like yo this guy really took it like he really I probably was a bit of an asshole move on my part But I thought it was like in good fun You know like I was like

This was the high watermark in all of Virginia Tech athletics though For sure The fourth quarter leading in the fourth quarter Is like the pinnacle of Virginia Tech Sports Yeah this is the game was so far. Thanks, Jeff. Now, Tom, where'd you go to school? Powerhouse fucking Lenore Ryan.

Shout out, baby. Hickory, North Carolina. How do you know that? I'm from Davidson, North Carolina. Oh, shit. You know, man. Yeah, guys. Right down the road, baby. Kyle Dugger?

Did he go there? Kyle Dugger? Yes. He's a boss. He's playing for the Steelers now. Yeah, it's one that's funny when, like, I always think it's like so crazy when you see a D2 guy who you're like, wait, what? It's always a defensive guy, too.

Yeah. And no, there's a couple D2 receivers, like the guy with the Colts for a long time. Who, what's his name? He had a couple big years when we were, when I was playing. Pierre Garcine. Pierre Garcille. He was D3. He was Mount Union.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's even crazier, dude. Which, didn't you have a couple D3s lined up, D2s and out of high school? Oh, out of high school. Yeah. So, where did I get? I got, well, I almost went to a D3 school, Randolph-Macon, which is an Ashland, Virginia. And I don't know if you, I got, math class. Yeah, math class. You heard this?

Yeah. They called me. So they're like, the admissions office calls me in like May. And they're like, you got to take these math classes in order to come here. And I was like, oh, okay. And I just like, well, I'm not doing that. And then the summer goes by. And the O line coach calls me like August 1st. He's like, decides you're going to be here tomorrow. you know, it's going to be, this is going to be Camps, no bullshit, it's going to be a hell of a season. I was like, oh, I'm not coming there. And he was like, what? I was like, yeah, you guys said I had to take a math class,

so I'm not coming. He's like, you're not coming. I was like, no. He's like, I didn't know that. I go, well, yeah, I'm not coming. And he just hung up the phone. I was like, oh, yeah, I'm not going to study to come to school. That makes me think of, like, that just aged us. Yeah? Yeah. Because the sheer fact that a college

kid isn't texting even with like a D3 D2. Oh, right, right. Or you know what I mean? Like all the time. Communication. Yeah. Yeah. Nowadays is fucking choking. Yeah. To the kids now, I bet. Was that the end of your football career?

That was it. That was it, dude. Wow. Now, when I went to Lenore Ryan, which was D2, I had, all my friends were football players. And I had been to, like, the offices. And they had, one of the guys had been like, you should walk on here. But once I saw how these guys were, like how they had to live, like the off-season I was like, dude, I'm high like every day. Yeah.

Like there's like, there's no way. Like that became such a boat that sailed away. I was like, there's not a chance I would sign up to walk on to this. What people don't realize, the off-season in college football, is a nightmare. Horrible. Like they wake you up. You have to be there before classes.

So they'll have like 520, 515 workouts where they sprint you so much to where you have to puke. Then you got to go lift. And they're literally making little machines. And they're molding these little humans to become machines. And like I just sit back and I think about the conditioning and like there's no labor laws or anything for that.

So like they're, I remember if you were late, they make you roll. You had to roll like a thousand yards. Guys were having seizures and shit. Like they would, we used to have our conditioning test was 11, 300s. Oh my God. And you had to make it in 55 seconds

and you had one minute break in between each of those reps. That's a fucking lot. But like, people don't understand that the off season for a college athlete, is a fucking nightmare for these kids. That's all that I witnessed. Because it was literally like my group of friends. And guys love it.

And the kids, you know, the players love it because they're sitting there like, that's football shit, you know? Yeah. No, dude. I was like, this sounds awful.

I also had that, that, I guess that entitlement. Yeah. That if I couldn't, if I wasn't good enough to play at this level, I don't want to do it somewhere. I was like,

I'm not going to fucking do it for normal. Ryan. If I'm that at Auburn, I don't want to do it, dude. He's not a love of the game. You got to be love with the game for that. What position did you play? I was a center. I was a detackle. When I was not as fat, I was a linebacker. We'll be right back after this quick break. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun.

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I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what? And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning,

I think I wanted to like write you and go, how did you know? Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. What's the scattering report of Tom's girl? It can't be great, dude. I mean, I know, I was all right, dude.

Feisty guy? Yeah, I mean, I did love. I didn't come off the field. I started both ways. So I was playing, yeah, the whole game. Yeah, I was long snapper. Yeah, it was center, detackle. I like defense the most.

Because you hit people. Yeah, it was so fun. Yeah. It was so fun. And like, I loved, um. Better delivering a hit than receiving the hit. Yeah. I mean, some O linemen, I mean, there are some that just.

Yeah, when they're run blocking. Yeah. Yeah. They're sitting there in pass protection. And you got a guy who's fucking 10. times more athletic you doing all this crazy shit and you're getting fucking hit back. I was talking to somebody about how in high school the thing is week to week the level of who's in front of you is so dramatically different. Like you can play a team and they're like their starting guard

is 165 pounds. And there's a scrappy little kid. And he might be quick as a cat. He might be quick as a cat and he might be tough as shit, you know. But also you might be like a man. against a boy that day. And then the next week, we're playing some school from Orlando, and their guard is 3.45. And you're like, holy fuck. Like, this guy is a house.

And it's just like, it's so dramatically different. There's no consistency to it, you know? One week you're playing this kid who's barely getting by it. The next week, they're like, oh, yeah, this kid's going to Oklahoma. And you're like, oh, shit. Playing IMG this week. Yeah. Now, we played a reform school.

Oh, my God. A reform school in Orlando. What is a reform school? You had to be kicked out of another school to go to this school. He's a badass. Yeah. It's the longest yard situation. Kids with beard like that would walk up and you're like, how's this guy, you know?

And this kid, and then like, I remember we were playing this school from Orlando and this guy lines up in front of me and he takes grass. When he starts eating it, he goes, I'm eating grass, white boy. And I was like, yeah, I see that. Like, he just started eating grass in front of me. I was like, all right, message is clear. Like, he's not fucking around. No, he's not. Straight grazing.

Now, could a young strapping in his prime, young linebacker, Tom Segura, could he run full speed and get through a young strapping in their prime, Shane Gillis, offense alignment? Oh, without a doubt. dude there's no doubt about that I mean I did a movie with with Shane recently and this guy was talking so much like he knew so much

ball he was talking about past setting and stuff could you get through him 100% zero doubt what would your your move be I mean I could probably bullrush him I'm sure I could have but like if not I was gonna say I'm gonna anchor I'm gonna anchor him

I'm just gonna anchor him we can do it right now you give him a call right now we can do it right now you know what I can't we gotta this set up. Yeah. I'm picturing a swim move. Bull rush. I don't know. Shane's pretty big boy. He's a big boy. He's a good tackle. Yeah. He did play at Notre Dame for a semester.

No, he was the Elon guy for him. He was recruited for West Point. He went to Army. And then he went to Notre Dame. No. He's a fake Notre Dame. Yeah, he's a fake guy. Yeah. Yeah. He's a big, big Notre Dame fan. We'd be in the middle of a scene. And this guy would be sitting there and it, and I, I fucked up my line. and I said something like, or there's 25 guys on the field when both, there's only like, what, 22, right, 11 on 11?

He goes, he looks at me in the middle of the scene, goes, and I'm sitting there dying laughing. We have to stop production and shit. The guys, like, what's going on? Why are we laughing? We got the line wrong. And the whole time, everyone's kind of at me, I just see Shane in the background. He loves it, dude. He loves it.

Jules's school didn't require math classes beforehand. No. Ken Steet. State. State. Steep. Can't read, can't write, can't stay, baby. That's what they used to yell at Arf. Fucking NFL vet, dude. So you went to the 2014 in a championship game here,

FSU versus Auburn. I did. With Bert. He doesn't remember any of that. Bert told us a story that he left at halftime because he's on mushrooms. That's all true. Yeah, he left at halftime. Yeah, he came on the show to talk about that game and doesn't remember anything from that game.

Well, the thing is we, he goes, bringing you to the game. And I was like, oh, fucking, that's a mate. So we go there and he has all his old, like, college friends. We're doing like tailgate stuff and the parking lot. And then he was like

inviting me. He goes, I'm getting you the ticket. All right. So it's like as we're moving along, like getting close. I go, like, when are we getting our tickets? He's like, oh, the person's coming. I was like, oh, shit. And then it came.

time where we met up with these people and they give us tickets in two different sections. So I'm in like the south end zone. He's like, I was like, we're not sitting together? He was like, I guess not. I was like, all right. So I'm just like, I'm sitting next people I don't know. And I don't know where he is. We're just like texting sometimes. I'm like, you believe this? and then in the fourth third quarter, fourth quarter, forget when FSU ran back a kickoff. And it was pandemonium in this, it was pandemon. I grabbed the guy, I didn't know, and I was just shaking it.

And I was going crazy. And then, you know, when Auburn goes up, I feel like we get the ball with like less than two minutes, right? It was James Winston driving down. And he was so, I mean, he was like so smooth, like so in control of this drive. You had like this confidence like, oh shit, this guy's going to actually manage this. Might be eat a dub. They eat that dubbed.

And he goes down there, throws the ball to Kelvin Benjamin. And you still couldn't tell. You're like, wait, was that? Because like, it was on the opposite end zone? Like, was that a catch? Did he, you know, did he like cover it? that he fumble it, then you get the signal and we lose it. And I'm like getting a hold of him.

And I'm like, can you fucking believe? He's like, I left at half time. You left this, the national championship at halftime? He's like, yeah, man, I was pretty fucked up. I cannot believe this dude. And then I remember I had to like, I had no way out of there. It's just I had to walk for like an hour and a half to get an Uber. That's the number one reason why I don't like going to Proven.

I mean, I'm the same now. Like any sporting event? Unless I'm being brought in by police. Same. Like it is, it's just the logistics of getting in and out of these stadiums. Even if you have the best parking. It's a headache. Even if you have the best parking.

It's the worst, dude. It's crazy. And everyone fends for themselves. There's no etiquette. We did the big, we did the MGM Grand Arena a couple years ago. And after that, the next day or the day after two days later was the Super Bowl. and they were like, you're invited to sit in the MGM suite at the Super Bowl. And I was like, I'm out of here.

I was like, I don't want to have to deal with going in. I don't want to have to deal with leave. I go, I know that sounds. I got to get out of here. I don't want to go. And we are pro NFL and going to events. We love going to the events. We were just saying that.

But it is a fucking nightmare. Super Bowl. Come on. I don't want to move on from the 2014 game yet. That's one of the best. best college football games. It doesn't get any of the credit. It does not get the credit. And I always feel like, I know because I'm a fan, people like, I'm like, yeah, dude, that game was a back and forth incredible game. You had the Heisman

trophy winner. And then basically one of the runners. That wasn't Trey Mason a runner up? Yeah, for Auburn, he was a part of the team. He was in the finalist. He was in there. Calvin Benjamin, Robert Aguayo. There's a hundred yard kickoff return with four minutes left. Then Auburn scores again, Trey Mason. And then Calvin Benjamin with 13 seconds left. I mean, come on. It was like, I brought that up, but people like, well, it's not that. I'm like, really? I feel

like it's one of the better games. It's on par with USC Texas in terms of the game play. Now, it just doesn't have the like... I think that's like I think if I got to play doctor and diagnose here. Late era BCS gets a little bit lost in the shuffle. It's the last one before the playoffs.

Yeah, and everyone conflates because it's like not the star-studded Auburn team. an Auburn team that kind of like post cam like had a sick run then kind of went back away a little bit like he got Nick Marshall like he'd be like who I don't know I mean yeah a little bit of that but you guys the Trey masons of the world like it's just a heck of a game go back and rewatch this people I do want to mention Brian Storick Barra Beach guy yes in Florida State that you were teammates with for a couple years yeah he so I went to the school down the street from his school yeah he was he was a monster he only played a couple years with us because

he had head things going and I specifically remember watching he would just take these in nine on seven it was like where he was like run game period yeah it'd be the best defense against the best offense so they just sit and do their their fucking run place past plays and all that bullshit and there's no skill guys and him and Dante High Tower would like every time because they were both young football players in practice

with just every single play lineup. I'm sitting there like, my guy's eating way too many of those hits. Yeah. And then, you know, comes to shove. Push comes to shove. I mean,

he has head issues and stuff. I'm sitting like, those linemen, man, they sit and they have to eat those fucking torpedoes. They're like the linebackers are running full speed at these guys. And they're like in a past protection thing, just eating it and using their technique. I'm like, this guy.

I remember like the, You have, you can be kind of delusional in a lot of things. But in sports, you know, like being in high school, being like, oh, like, I'm a, I'm pretty good. Like, I make plays on defense. I don't get my ass kicked on offense. Like, I'm pretty good. And, like, the way you get humbled and sober is, like, either facing someone that absolutely destroys you. And I didn't realize that one of the guys that made me realize,

oh my God, I'm hopeless and helpless in certain situations, was on my team. So he was our defensive end. He got recruited by a lot. He went to Syracuse on a full ride and he had trouble in school. But, you know, coaches were always coming to our high school to see him. And I hadn't done like one-on-one drills with him. And it was like a pass protection thing.

and they were like, all right, and I just went like this and he was behind me. What the? And so I go, I go, let's do it again. Like I called it out again. And the next day he did it, next time he just did it this way. And I was like, I was like, what the fuck?

And then the coach was like, you want to do it again? I was like, yeah. And it was like the third time. And then I was just like, oh, there's nothing I can do to stop this guy. Like he was that fast. He was so fast.

And then I was like, went to Miami with him. Miami was playing Syracuse. And so we were on the field. And when those guys came out of the tunnel, I turned and I was at, I was at eye level with a guy's number on his chest. I was like, oh, I can't play fucking here.

There's no, there's no chance. Like, I'm looking at guys. I'm at eye level with the numbers. I'm looking at 7-7 and it's here. And I was like, oh, Jesus Christ, like this is a whole other thing. The thing is, everyone who's put the uniform has felt that at one point of their life.

Yeah. Even the baddest of the bad, when their athletics decline and there's a young buck coming in, yeah. Coming in. To deal with the ego of not being able to do what you did, but feeling that humbleness from the game. Yeah. That happens to everyone.

Right. And that's why football is insane and it's awesome. Yeah. Because no matter what, you're going to be humbled. It doesn't matter. like father time's gonna do it a young buck's gonna do it yeah someone's gonna do it and it's just it's nuts because we've all been there i felt i remember feeling that like man this guy's unreal it's crazy yeah you know yeah it is one of those things where you go like wow i thought i was like here

and then just in that moment i was like oh there's nothing i can do to him yeah like there's nothing I can do to stop him. Now, this is a good place to transition into comedy. Did you ever feel like that in comedy where like you started jumping into it, doing stand-up, doing special, started on, you know, Comedy Central and doing all this shit. And then you felt like, man, I'm not that guy. Well, yeah, it happens in different ways.

Like, one of the things that's really, so like at first, some people start, stand up and have a really rough go start. Some people start and like it's going pretty well, but it's like it's real low stakes. It's not like you're doing big rooms. And like I remember the first time I was doing like little bar shows and they were going well enough. Like you get laughs and you're like, oh, this, you're like, I got it. You know what I'm figuring it out. And the first time you bomb is it's like getting the shit kicked. out of you. It's like getting beat like that where you're like, and you're like, I thought, I thought I could just navigate this or like the time where you go, I don't really need to

prepare that much for this. Like, I got this. I got this. I'm just going to go and we got it. We've done this a thousand times. You know, wing this shit. It'll be good because I'm good. And then you go and you're just like, it's just crickets. That shit kind of is what you need. You need those shit shows to make you go like, oh, yeah. There's no such thing as being so good that I don't have to do anything, you know? And then, yeah, of course, you would see people that are so good, especially in your developing stage where you're like, oh, I need to work way harder. Like this is so much better.

Yeah. This person's joke writing is just better. They're off the cuff is just better. execution, timing. It's all just better. But you, I mean, probably like in athletics, you need that. You need to see that. You need to feel it. You need to bomb. Like people, some people have like, I don't have really many bombs. You're like, well, you haven't done it that much. It means you haven't got uncomfortable. Yeah. You got to get uncomfortable. Yeah, you got to fucking eat it, man. I got to eat it and, like, have self-doubt and go, like, what am I even doing? Why am I here? Like, you need those days to reinforce why you're, you. you are there and that you actually are doing it because you love it. You have to love it. Yeah. And it brings me to like,

I remember having for me those days where when I was transitioning from receiver or quarterback to receiver, I remember going to one-on-ones. And I've never really ran routes on people. Yeah. And it's not like what we just talked about with the indiscuancies of this week you're playing a kid who's five foot seven. Yeah.

This next week you're playing a kid who's six foot. I was trying to learn against the biggest, the baddest dudes in the world. Dude. That's crazy. And so it's crazy. Going and doing these one-on-ones with like not knowing what was going on and I had something in my head that I needed to, I needed to like work the top of a route of making this guy feel an in-cut.

Mm-hmm. Now I would do it and I would get. strapped up and this guy would cover me. But in the back of my head, I would remember that movement and that feeling what he felt. And now I said, I'll use that on the outbreaking route. I had to fail, but I had to make myself uncomfortable trying the technique at the top of the route in order to figure out, well, I may not be able to use it on that route, but I can use it on this route.

Mm-hmm. You know, and it's, and it's to your point, the failures. The adversity are the calcifying thing that make you grow. Yeah. Which is the most overused expression in football? It is. But you realize there's a reason for it. I know.

It is that you have to have it, you know. Yeah. We always ask our comics. What's the one joke that you thought was the absolute best that was never, that got killed by the audience that didn't get it? I mean. didn't land. I gotta read, I'll do that post.

We know what you did. We'll do that post. Favorite joke that never worked. Favorite joke that never worked. I mean, it's, it's hard to say because when they don't work,

you try to abandon them. So you're like, fuck that. Like, you try to like push it out of your head. Yeah. I had jokes where like, there's always this thing where like,

you have a joke that is, um, that like another comic likes. and then they tell you, they're like, you got to do that joke. Then you do it and you realize it's just for that guy. You're like, you're like, yeah, no one's liking this, dude.

Is that sabotage? No, I think it really would like, sometimes they're like, yeah, but I get it because sometimes I'm in that position where I go, I love that joke. And I realize that when the comic does it, it's not, it's above their head. It doesn't kill the audience.

Like, the audience is just kind of like, and I go, but it makes, there's something about it that makes, me laugh so much. But what you will find consistently in stand-up is this, like this phenomenon where you go,

oh my God, this is such a great bit. The structure of it, like the way that I've crafted it, this is going to kill. And you do it and it's like, fine. Like it gets laughs. And then the thing where you,

it enters your head in the moment and you're like, oh, this is whatever. You kind of throw it out there, brings the house down, and you're like, that's the one? Like, that's the thing. That happens throughout stand-up, and I think will always, because it's, it's this, like, imperfect science. You think that the word choice and the way that you said it like this is going to impact the most, and it doesn't work like that. It's sometimes it's just the thought that just flies through your head that you haven't really broken down and given much time to. And that for me is like a thing that you find over and over and over again.

I mean, I used to do this joke about I saw this place in Hollywood called Latino computers. That's right. Yeah. Fries, watch out. Yeah. And I was like, what was it? I was like, is that the best marketing for your place, Latino computers? These computers like aren't.

aren't the best, but they work really hard. And then I was like, I guess that's better than black computers. These computers don't work at all, but they talk a lot of shit. Like, control, alt, delete, fuck you. That's a good. I love this joke. It works in small rooms. We'll be right back after this quick break. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast.

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Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Do you have a joke meter person that you'll tell a joke to? And you'll be like, they have the brain of what the audience has. So is there a specific person that you'll run a joke by that you'll be like, I can't tell myself because I may be too smart for it. I'll ask this person because they're more like the audience. Not really. No, I do have this thing where like, if I, I'll say something that if I'm alone,

and I'll like smirk myself you know sometimes my wife will be like what I'm like oh I thought of this thing she's like what is it and I'll say it and if she's like oh my god then I'm like oh that's pretty good like if her reaction is like disapproval then I get excited that like oh that's that's that's in the I'm on the right path right now because she's like are you really going to say that and I'm like, yeah. Then I get excited. That, like, that's kind of my, but most of the time, I always feel weird saying a joke to, like, my friends or whatever. I just, I just want to say it on stage, you know. You just wait for stage.

I wait for stage because stage is really the only honest place. Yeah, you have to, you have to be on stage to say the thing. And then, like I said, because you're, you can have no. confidence or full of confidence, and they'll straighten you out. They're the ones that they'll tell you. You look like shit, man. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They'll tell you. We got to jump into the next segment where we go back in a time where the game took place and we go over pop culture. Okay. This game took place on January 4th, 2000, and this was what was going on in the real world. Talented Mr. Ripley was the number one movie. Is that the one with Jude Law? Yeah. I just watched that.

That's a good deal. And Matt Damon. It's phenomenal. It is a very, and the fashion and like just the... Matt Damon. Talented Mr. Drippley, yeah. There is great fashion. Great fashion.

I mean, the whole thing, dude. The story, the actors in it are all in there. They're young. They're all beautiful. It's Italy. Amazing. It's so beautiful. And then, I don't know if you know, but I got obsessed last year.

Netflix released a limited series called Ripley. And I was like, how are you going to do? do a series after this movie was fantastic. Dude, the series is one of the best things I've ever seen. Wow. I'm going to check it out. I've been watching it. Oh, my God. It is unbelievable. It's called Ripley. And it's, it's an eight-part limited series that is, it's not obviously like a duplicate of the movie. It's obviously a lot of, you know, it's the characters and stuff, but it's so good. It's so good. That's one of those creepy good movies that makes you want to travel,

but then also makes you like, man, there's some creepy shit going on over here. Yeah. That's what I think of. He's a real psycho, man. Real psycho. Yeah. Number one song, Smooth by Rob Thomas and Carlos Santana. Wow.

A banger. I sat with Rob once. Rob Thomas? Yeah. I don't know if I've heard this story. Clive Davis Party. Wow. Him and his wife.

They were awesome people. Great people. We were supposed to stay in contact never did. Damn. Loved Carlos Santana too. Santana, that was like when this guy had been like around for years. And this is this when he like put out an album that like it just took over?

Maria Maria. That one too. It's nice. Pop culture. Any given Sunday. Unbelievable. Green mild. Great movie.

Stuart Little awesome movie. All in the box office. 99's an insane year for movies too. Really good. Like Matrix was earlier this year too. Man, any given Sunday. that was a fun movie. That was a fun movie.

But the one thing that always got me so mad, the NFL never gave the licenses up. I know. I hated that there was the Miami Sharks. You don't like the Miami Sharks. That's always the weirdest. That's the weirdest. Yeah, it's the weirdest.

The league's gotten better with that, though, because, you know, it's growing it. Look, you've been thinking about that halftime speech a lot lately. Al Pacino, man. And one inch. One inch. Super Bowl champs were the Rams. Was that the greatest show on turf?

No. This was, well, this was that electric first where Kurt Warner came out of nowhere and he wins MVP in Rooks. He was a show and turf though. Were they?

Were they a short turf that year? Yeah. I think that encompasses his era. He was the MVP. This was the one yard truck. I know, but were they calling it in 99? Yeah.

Didn't that come later? Felt like it was later, but maybe you're right. Because like this was, they were the underdogs here. And this was the like the Super Bowl with Steve McNair with the, they say 99.

Yeah. Yeah. This is one of the only Super Bowls that I missed because I was in a study abroad program. So I was in Madrid. Great city. It's great. But like when you're overseas, you don't realize how easily and quickly you can lose touch with like everything that feels like American culture. Domestic sports.

It was just like one of those things where the next day they were like, oh, Super Bowl. I was like, Super Bowl was yesterday? And they were like, yeah. I was like, oh shit, I missed that. How it wasn't? They're like, it was fucking unbelievable. I was like, oh, cool. I'm glad I missed it.

I bet you if you went there now, though, and did it, there'd be a little more buzz around the town because they played an actual NFL game in Madrid last year. I already hosted a game there. Yeah. Yeah, now there would be probably more of a thing. You know? What were you like in 2000, Tom?

Well, yeah, that makes it actually reminds me so much of, I absolutely loved the semester in Madrid. it was amazing. And then I got back from that semester, and that's when I interned for America's Most Wanted. Wow. And then they hired me after I graduate. I graduated in 2001.

And I remember, and then my first day at America's Most Wanted was September 10th, 2001. And that was in D.C. So that was pretty wild. That was where America's where it was based. Okay. Did you ever like to get any of it?

them? They work? Well, yeah, they, I mean, they caught so many people. I pitched a story right before, because I was in the research department. So I would research all these people. And then one time I pitched this guy who was a fugitive in Costa Rica, he was an American guy. And he was horrific, horrible, horrible crimes. And I pitched him. I gave the story.

And then, you know, it's kind of considered. And then I, after my, I had a three-month contract. that was done. And then they were offering another one. And I was like, I'm moving to L.A. So I, as I moved to L.A. And then, like, a month after I got to L.A, they called me and they were like,

hey, we're going to do that story. Do you want to come on as like an associate producer? Like, we'll hire you freelance. I was like, yeah. So I went to Costa Rica and filmed the profile on this guy. So there's like pitch meetings for like, like, that's crazy to me. Yeah, it's crazy.

This guy, he's fucked up. I mean, I was, it was fun to do that stuff. Yeah, like you would have, I mean, it was, it was also like deeply disturbing stuff, right? Because you sometimes, like, that guy, remember, we had his diary. But I was able to read his diary, which was very disturbing. And, you know, you have the TV show. Yeah. Berries most wanted.

Isn't it started by a guy who, like, had a personal tragedy? And then he, like, yeah. John Walsh. Yeah. So John Walsh's son was kidnapped and killed. And he became like an advocate for victims. And then here's the thing. The show was so successful.

It was a great show. I mean, I remember it. At catching people that at one time, Fox announced that they were canceling the show, like we're canceling after this many years. And the blowback was so bad from the general public that they brought it back. They're like,

all right. We're keeping it on. Yeah. That's how, I mean, it caught so many people. It caught hundreds of people. I got stats. So it has listed 500, as of March 2025, there's been 535 fugitives, and 496, roughly 93% have been captured or larkated.

I mean, it's pretty incredible. I think we also, I say we, but I think the show also got Whitey Bulger on top of, like, I think. I remember that. I was right down here. That was right down here. Yeah. Yeah.

Right on Ocean Street, right? he was profiled regularly. Oh, yeah. So, like, it would, like, you got to get the Boston people. You got to keep the Boston ratings up. Yeah, yeah. He was, he was, he was, he was profiled all the time. And, yeah, I think that's somebody saw one of the later episodes, and they were like,

I think I know who this is. Yeah. RIP. Wait, hold on. I saw the wrong thing. So, sorry. There's been a thousand total episodes. The fastest capture is four days, and there isn't a total number of people who captured.

That was the FBI's most. wanted list. Do they actually pay any of the like, yeah, you know, the awards? Everyone gets paid, bro. Yeah, they get that. I mean, the, the WIDY one was famous. Yeah, $10 million, right? It was significant. By the way, this year,

I want to say the Rondane wins the Heisman. It should have been Peter Ward. It's this year. If you ask me, I think it should have been Michael Vick, but they weren't giving it the freshman yet. But we looked at Ron Dane had 1,800 yards and like 19 touchdowns. like he had a fuck. But what was the season? He's in.

P-dub was unreal. I mean, balled on this game. Let's, let's, uh, I mean, so this FSU team 12 and O, Bobby Bowden 70 this year. Chris Winky is 27. We got like, this is a veteran season group over here, baby. Top 10 scoring defense, top five scoring offense. Chris Winky was a little unsure like what it was going to look like heading into the season. He's had off-season neck surgery.

He was banged up, man. He might remember he played a lot of, uh, minor league baseball, man. I mean, he'd been around number one. 27 years old. Crazy, bro. I hated that as a Virginia fan for this game. You got an old fucking man playing quarterback. What are we doing here?

It is crazy. Year before that, lost to Tennessee. So coming off that one in the Fiesta Bowl, you remember Peter Wark held a one catch in that game. Wanted to come back to the next year. Like, I'm not in my FSU career on a one catcher. Come on now. Coming into the season ranked number one, go wire to wire.

A little foreshadowing there. We know what happens here. The heck of a team. Peter Wark, though. got done dirty because there was a little legal issue in the middle of the season. I remember this. At the Dillards with Laverneous Coles, they said he paid like $21 for $450 worth of clothing. I don't know.

Some antics suspended two games. Heisman voters getting all up in their high horse. He finished sixth. No. This year. What do you remember about this team? What was your thing about this team? I mean, what I remember was points.

I remember them dropping fucking like there's that thing too when you're I always feel like one of the marks of a team that's gonna that's a legit good team is that when you get into the red zone they get touchdowns and not field goals. That's great ball door. It always translates when you see them inside the 20

and it's almost seven points every time you're like this this is a team that can do this right because when they have to go for three or they can't convert, they're always trying to make something happen, they just can't do it. You're like, this team is not at that level.

And these guys were like a sure thing. They were just always, always putting up big points. Defensively, it was no joke too. I mean, they had some real, but Corey Simon was a fucking baller, dude. And they, yeah, of course, Sebastian. See, that's God of love. Yeah, man.

Guys, I mean, some notable names on this team. The fuck of drinking kicker. The first one in the scouting report. Whenever we would play Sebastian, it would be like, this guy loves a drink. It'd be like written up. We'll see him probably at a bar, but don't underestimate him. We'll kick at 60. Antquam.

Baldwin. Freshman. Freshman year. Freshman year. What about Chris Winky? What did you think of Winky? Well, that was a thing, too, is you even as you're like, wait, how old is this guy? I remember.

Yeah, I remember being like that too. This is a junior year, too. And he didn't feel like, next year. That's crazy. Also, I remember him, he was a pocket passer. Like, this was not like a super mobile guy, especially when you're watching them against Virginia Tech. Oh, yeah.

Jesus Christ. He tried to get out of the pocket ones. He tried to do a Vic once or twice. Yeah, this is nuts. But he was somebody who, like, you know, with everything around him, got it done. Like, he was like a consistent. Distant quarterback.

Yeah, technician who, you know, he knew how to run the offense. A lot of the ways you can say, maybe being of that age is a good thing as far as like composure and knowing. Maturity. Yeah, being a mature guy. But yeah, he had, you know, he had a lot of weapons around him. And yeah, he did what they needed him to do. It is crazy that he's 27.

Have you ever met any of these guys out and about? Who have I met? From this team, I'm looking at this. Janikowski never I've never met him I've got to get him on the show We gotta get him on Oh my god dude

You have to So many stories So many Would he remember him Let's hope At least a couple Come on He's got to

He had that real thing too Where he was like Are you guys You guys make fun of kickers You think kickers are Pussies Like I'll knock your fucking head off Yeah

Oh yeah He brought respect to the kicker name For sure For sure He is we had Gruden on and he was telling us that he knew he was drunk one day or something and he's like, let him fucking kick it

and he'll fight, I want him to miss to prove a point and he nails it like a fucking 58 yard or something. I love you, bro. I fucking love this guy. Who's your about Rushmore of Florida State players? I would say, Dion.

You got to put Dion. I would put P-dub on the, I put Peter Wark on there. monster. I would put Shaitree, Marvin Jones. I'll give you that. And then I, Derek Brooks. Ooh.

I mean, that's a, Derek Brooks is one of my favorite football players of all time. I mean, those four are like, yeah. I'm going to remind everyone once again, Derek Brooks never missed a snap of football. Did he really? Never missed a snap of football.

In the NFL. At linebacker. That's pretty, I didn't know that. I didn't know that. that is 14 years 14 years Wolverine shit like you gotta go and check his DNA 224 straight regular season game really that's crazy insane

that's a really crazy step man that's like way crazier than like playing a thousand baseball games together yeah for sure man cow Ripkin that squad too that that that lineup of Brooks lynch and sap oh my god

were you a bucks guy No, but I just was like, you know, just as like a fan of the game, you're like, you got sap on the D-line, Brooks and then Lynch in the secondary. The three of them. Ron Dave Barber was a fucking great corner. You could put Mike Allstate in the linebacker group he'd fit into. He'd fit right in. That was so fun to watch him. Man, yeah, Cal Ripkin was 2,632 straight games.

That's great. Is it a bummer you that the fullback is just like a long loss thing now? He's not, though, not in the winning teams. Really? Yeah. I would say there, I would say like 30% of the teams, 40% of, 35% of the teams have a fullback. But it used to be. It used to be a lot more.

And it died even, but it was even more endangered. Probably like two or three years ago. It was a more endangered species. Oh, it's ebbs and floats. Huh? Ebs and flows. You get lighter than offenses get heavier. What was your, I'm sure you've been asked this, but what was your welcome to the NFL moment?

Did you have one where you were like, oh, fuck. I've been asked this question. I don't remember what answer I gave, so it probably could be different. My welcome to the NFL moment was when I had a really good game, my first preseason game. And, you know, I thought I was good going back to our point. Yeah. Return to punt.

Return to punt for a touchdown. Had like five catches, had a tackle on special teams. Next week, like, it was all taken away from me like that. I sprained my foot on like a weird play. And I was like, man, these guys are fast, physical, strong. I didn't even think like, yeah.

And I got hurt and I was out for four weeks. And then I had to come back and get back enough to start my first game back because Welk went out against the jets. And having, like, that was like a welcome to, like, oh, fuck. It can be taken like that. You have to get back to where you were at.

And even though you feel like you have a sprained ankle, you have to go perform and be productive. Yeah. Like that was a welcome to the NFL moment. And just the complexity of how on you had to be at work. Is there anything better than taking back a punt? No. I mean, those are so great because it's not just the returner that has,

like when you see a punt return for a touch. Yeah, the returner is going to make someone miss and there's going to be like a great run. But there's like 11 guys have to do their job. And you're going to see one guy get two. There's going to be a fucking great block by another guy. And it's something that this unit talks about doing every time they step on the field. And it only happens maybe once a year where you get to house it. Yeah.

Like the justification and the fucking euphoric feeling you feel afterwards with everyone. going in there and like it's just that's a crazy and it's you got to be crazy it's a little crazy and like me being out watching it now yeah you got to be kind of nuts yeah it's kind of crazy we'll be right back after this quick break i'm nancy glass host of the burden of guilt season two podcast this is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families late one night bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun, tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Termaine Hudson as the perpetrator.

Germain was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth. until a confession changed everything. I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app,

Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini-driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic Aquarian visionary.

Aquarius is all about freedom-loving and different perspectives, and I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of. the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation

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I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first bachelor to ever have his final rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before.

I'm Stephanie Young. This is Love Trapped. This season, an epic battle of He Said She Said, and the search for accountability in a sea of lies. Listen to Love Trapped on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Why hasn't a woman formally participated in a Formula One race weekend in over a decade? Think about how many skills they have to develop at such a young age. What can we learn from all of the new F1 romance novels suddenly popping up every year? He still smelled of podium champagne and expensive friction.

And how did a 2023 event called Wagageddon change the paddock forever? That day is just seared into my memory. I'm culture writer and F1 expert Lily Herman, and these are just a few of the questions I'm tackling on no grip, a Formula One culture podcast that dives into the under-explored pockets of the sport. In each episode, a different guest and I will go deeper into the wacky mishaps, scandals and sagas, both on the track and far away from it, that have made F1 a delightful, decadent dumpster fire for more than 75 years.

Listen to No Grip on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Good people. What's up? What's up? It's Questlove. So recently, I had the incredible opportunity to have a real conversation with actors and producer, Jamie Lee Curtis, ahead of the release of her new thriller series, Scarpetta. I can honestly say I've never done an interview like that before. You know, at one point, I shut my laptop down. And we just started chatting as old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what? And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left. And

That was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning, I think I wanted to like write you and go, how did you know? Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm always amazed by the way at pro players' memories of like moments and games. I always imagined that like it makes sense that I could remember things. from football in high school because you go,

oh yeah, that's like this period of time. But you go, you add college and then you add pro career. And you're like, oh, I would figure that they would just be like, I don't know, man. But you guys, a lot of times are like, the week that this happened, week three we were playing. I'm like, how the fuck do you remember this?

It's selective. And I'm not like, I'm not great at that. I'm like what you just said. Like, man, I played a lot of college football. Like, it's hard for me to pull from my high school memories unless someone brings up the memory. memory. Yeah. I can't just pull from those. Okay. Because like my processor, I had a lot more of that data. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. We've talked to a lot of athletes on this show and it's really

kind of two camps. There's the one guy who remembers every single detail of every single play you ever had. And then the other guys are like, I don't remember shit. I just went out and did that. That's what I thought would be more of. That was like amazed when I watched, I was watching the producer of The Last Dance, you know, the Bulls thing. And he was like talking about, he was like, oh yeah, we were doing this thing with MJ and he was like, look up like week one in 86 when we were playing Indiana

and I came and I was like, fuck it, hey, man, you remember that? Like you played basketball for like 20 years. He's still like citing specific things. 82 games too, plus a playoffs. But it's also maybe if it's a, there's a specific thing that stood out to you. Kind of like a joke maybe

that you fucking killed. Yeah, that's true. You know what I mean? That's a good play. That's true. You have a joke from 20 years ago that you remember that got you off. That's true. That's true.

Got you off. Yeah. Those are the best kind. Do you, you said you had to learn route running. Yeah. Did you, I had no, I realized that like my football experience where you go like, yeah, I know this game. You realize that it's like just the position you play. I had no appreciation for the conditioning.

of running routes until I was probably 35 where I was working out at this gym in the South Bay that had one of those gyms

that has like an outdoor field and the guy I'm working out with he was like do you want to go out there I still love anything that feels like football so they had like

sleds and everything so we were doing that and then he's like do you want to like just run some routes and I was like yeah just for like some type of workout

I run like some out route and then run it come back and then by like the third thing I'm like bro, I feel like I'm gonna die right now and it made me go like oh man I can't believe

you guys are going all out and it's just like come back to the huddle again come back to the huddle again like the level of conditioning to be able to sprint and come back and you have to do that play I had no I was like I can't believe I'm this age

and I never really thought of this that could have been another one Welcome to the NFL moment. The condition. For me. Just because I was a quarterback in college. And so like quarterback practice at practice at quarterback, everything's about like getting your arm.

I mean, you know what I mean? Yeah. You're not running. You're doing things in between drills when the defense is out there. Yeah. When I got into the league and I was playing special teams running a bunch of routes, I was like,

holy shit. This is a lot. And that's something I actually tell younger football players when they always ask me, what do you think I should do in the offseason? I say run a bunch of routes. Because then by the time I became a receiver, which took me two or three years in my NFL career to develop into, our workouts consisted. I go work out with Tom and he'd run me into the ground.

He'd run me for like 70, 65, 60 routes. And it would be like a 10 route. you do 10 routes we'd build it like a drive you'd run a route then you'd run back and he'd kind of meet me where it was at and it'd be like a two minute drill type of conditioning

and when you have to think and execute when you're tired that's the difference of the good and the greats the fatigue and how you fatigue guys that like when you hear of Jerry Rice

Jerry Rice stayed the same guy from quarter one to quarter four. Some guys lose their steam. You know, all the D.Bs knew that Jerry, what you got Jerry from the first play is exactly what you're going to get in the last play. And you can take advantage of guys with that.

So like the running is a lot. It's crazy. And it's easy for the quarterbacks because Tom used to I mean, I used to get on him all the time or whoever was throwing to me like hey, let's do another. I'm like, dude, we just did 68 rounds. Yeah, I'm cooked. It's been 45,

40 minutes, bro. That's sprint. You know what I mean? And it's not the sprinting straight line. It's sprinting, breaking down, stopping, going. That's so much energy use. Yeah. Yeah. I think if you don't ever play that position or you just, you never consider it. You just never think about it. But when you look at Virginia Tech and you see, I remember being like when I was a quarterback when you got watch guys like Michael Vic who go out and fucking run a 62 yard like run and then they have to come back and call a play and go run the those are hard too. So Jackie, why don't we hit these Virginia? The Big East Hokies. This was back when they were in the Big East. Frank Bainer. Man, shout out, brother.

13th year of the Beamer Ball era. Open the season number 11. Of course, climbed all the way up to two there. Vicks freshman, redshirt freshman year year. Led the nation in CAA in passing efficiency. We all know what he can do with his legs. But Mike was absolutely dicing people up back there. So efficient.

finished third and Heisman voting. This is back when they kind of frowned upon giving it to freshman. I digress. But you got to remember with this VT team, highest scoring offense in the NCAA, 41.4 points per game, nation's top scoring defense, 10.1 points per game, unbelievable.

Got to look at some of these guys. They just absolutely blew out this season. 16th ranked Syracuse. Beat them 62 to nothing. Played Miami when Miami was 19th. Beat them 43 to 10. Just like absolutely dominating people. Unbelievable. And then shout out to a game we've done on this pod, the miracle in Morgantown.

Oh, yeah. When Mike Vic let him win into Morgan Town, West Virginia, let him on a comeback to win 2320. Keep that undefeated season alive, all-time game. Go back and watch it, folks. Also got to mention Bud Foster. Bud Foster, another staple. Yeah, yeah. Shane Graham, the kicker was on this team. All-timer.

Tried to run a fake in this game. Dude, Vic was so ridiculous. He was insane. He was so ridiculous, man. I mean, you watch, it doesn't matter if you watch Virginia Tech or his NFL highlights. When you see this guy, just decide to escape the pocket and you're just like, it's like Devin Hester or something like you're just like there's, you better. It's just so crazy. Yeah, that was the thing.

I remember watching this game, the feeling of panic that you would feel every time they had the ball is you were like, man, this defense. is a good defense. So fast. But you're like, shit. Like, it really is, if there's space, there's just nothing you can do.

I hit Michael up about an hour ago. And I text him and I go, anything about this game? And he goes, what's up, Bubbs? Hope all is well with you. Man, that game,

I was zoned out. I just remember saying to myself, this is Florida State on the national stage. I got to give him something to talk about. tomorrow. But my nerves before the game were

outrageous, but they settled after my first big run. That's what he said. That's big time, Mike. That's big time. I remember the commercials on Nike, man. I loved it. I had his experience. I got to work with them and stuff. Michael Vic was like

the biggest human. Yeah. In pro football for probably like five, six, seven, eight years. Yeah. Well, the other thing is too, just like we all, because there's nothing really that we had seen as far as a quarterback that could run like that. Then you forget that like this arm was stupid, dude. Stupid.

You watch him zing it on it. And it looks like he's just like 70 yards. You're like, what? Yeah, it was nuts. You ever been to a Virginia Tech game at Virginia Tech? No, I've always wanted to. I've always wanted to hear enter Sandman and like, yes, see the place go nuts. I try to, you know, on the road, like as known, I make people know that I love.

college game. So I've gotten a lot of tours of facilities. The most impressive tour where you're like, I could see how you would sign is probably LSU. I mean, you know, like you go in. Stephen Ridley talks about it still to the day. You just walk in. You're like, what? Because like we, we were just like two weeks prior in Buffalo and they had new facilities for the bills. And we were like, oh, it's nice. Then you go to LSU and you're like, that's some bullshit we saw in Buffalo. You guys got a tiger? Yeah, a tiger, but like the locker room is nuts.

Like Star Wars or something. I mean, you walk down a hallway that is dimly lit on purpose. And there's, you know, accolades and awards and all these players. You're like, oh, that have played here, you're like, this is cool. And then you turn, this glass doors go and then you see the statues, like the mannequins of different players in different uniforms that are. spotlighted. And then another door goes, and you enter a locker room that seems endless. And they modeled the seats after international first class beds. And they're like, yeah, we encourage them to sleep. And then their dirty laundry goes here, but there's an air filter in every one so that it

doesn't smell. It just goes out. And then they had another wall performer players they could come and like with a key open their own little lockers and you're like, yeah, you guys have thought of everything here. This is pretty cool. I mean, it just brought me to like Independence Day when they were showing the president air 51 for the first time. You're like, oh, shit. Yeah, it's really impressive.

It's insane. Dude, anytime the doors goes, you know, you're good. You're good. You're somewhere cool. All right, Jack, let's get in the game. All right, let's get in the lead up of this thing. So before this one, we got to talk about, Florida State had to get by Florida in that rivalry game.

Yeah. A big one, which was probably one of their closest games of the year. 30 to 23 escape them in Gainesville on the road. That was a big one. Florida was three at the time coming into that one. That was a big lead up there. Is that Chris Leak? I think it was the quarterback?

No. It was way more. It was pre-leke. Who was later? Yeah. Was it Warful? It might have been. Worfell.

Was it Ward? Grossman? One second. One second. One second. Wasn't warful. He was earlier. before that.

I feel like. Rex Grossman. It might have been gross. Dave Spurrier. I miss. I know this is totally sidetracking us. I miss the era when, like Florida was a state where every head coach was like a larger than life figure.

Not even close to that anymore. He had Spurrier. You had Bowden. He had Jimmy down in my, like, which thing by the way. Yeah. Is that every,

in this, especially in this time, every year, these schools were competing for it. And when that, that game came up, you were like, oh, shit, this whole season could just go away right now. Just like that. Just like that.

That's how it used to be. Yeah. Which is a blessing why we have the playoffs now. Yeah. Because they both get in the playoff probably now. Yeah. That's true. Nothing beats two undefeated teams like, you know, and it's hard to do that with the playoffs.

Yeah. Did you watch this? We were watching the highlights of this game. Yeah. And how cool did Bobby Bowden look on the sideline? Oh, my God. With the cool, Oakley's on. With the cool, like the semi-trails.

ground coach. No clipboard, no nothing. Just bitching and just telling people what the shots were. And he's just telling like, give it to nine again. Like, and they're like, yeah, it's good, good call coach. Dude, anytime. Yeah. The semi-train's like, he's drinking out of like a Charles Schwab sponsored little cup.

Just like walking no headset. Get out of here with that. We need a headset. I was reading before this. He was like, any coach, he was talking about like the comeback in the third corner. He's like, yeah, we were fixing to lose that game. And then the boys came back. Any coach he says fixing.

Yeah. That's my guy. I want you leave my ball club. Charlie the gag the daggum ball back. You're like, yeah. Oh, a daggum. Oh, don't throw a daggum in there. Oh, it's a best.

Oh, you're going to make me fly my seat over here. I love the daggum. Man, but yeah, they were trying to go. Florida State's trying to go wire to wire, man. One to one, trying to take the whole season, ranked number one at the top. Virginia Tech, best season in school history coming into this thing. I mean, this was insane.

I mean, this was unbelievable to this day. It's really the story leading into this. It's an empty trophy case for the national championship to go. I watched this. Is it really? This was, here, hold on. This was January, when was it January? 2004th, 2000.

So maybe Madrid? I'm trying to think, because I definitely watched this game. This may have been right before. I left Madrid. I left because I remember watching this game in my parents' house. So it was probably right before I left. Like, yeah, that would make sense that like, January 4th.

The break is over, like winter break. And instead of going back to school, I stay home and then fly out. So I watch this downstairs. Yeah, like in this back room at my parents' house. Nervous as shit. Feeling confident going into halftime. And then the absolute panic setting in in the third quarter for sure. Where I was like, this guy, fucking guy.

Are we in a Jersey? No. No. Are we eating chips? What are we eating? probably. I was just nervously pacing. Pacing. Yeah, eating chips and probably, it could have been like three-day-old food and I would have just been like, just like, just, yeah. In the zone though. Oh, yeah. Any friends? For that game, no. I remember, because I remember I watched the previous one in the same room when they lost to Tennessee. And I was just like, fucking losing my mind, like so upset. But this was really freaking me out. My dad probably came in the room a few times, too,

because he was probably watching it in another room. I probably couldn't even sit and wash it with him. Yeah. I had to be alone. I mean, yeah, coming off the, do we enter a little bit? I mean, this game started, like, the real takeaway is Florida State out, Beamer balled, Beamer ball, especially in the first half there. In the first half, a block, a block punt for a touchdown.

And then Peter Moore, return for a touchdown, a punt. Which is, it's, it's crazy to think, to even consider, given VT, a taste of their own medicine when it comes to special teams in Beamer Ball, like just didn't happen. But in the first half, that along with some other big plays with the Warwick touchdown early on on my skinny post, fakes it over the middle, hits him deep going up 7-0. I mean, Vic fumbled two on the first drive after getting down there, uncharacteristic. So it's a little bit sloppy there, but yeah, get up 14-0. Then at the end of the first quarter, Virginia Tech needed a play, needed something bad,

and get that bomb to Andre Davis scored like three plays, 46-yard Tutty. got life back 14-7 now. And just to put it in perspective a little bit, we talked to Beamer Ball and the importance of special teams that became such a signifier of Virginia Tech. No one blocked more punts or kicks in the 90s than Virginia Tech.

63. Insane. What a stat. Fucking Beamer Ball. In one decade. Beamball got ramped up in the early 2000s. That's true. It was more intense, like even after this game.

Look at the lengths of these touchdowns. 65-year-t touchdown. This game was. It was a lecture. Unbelievable. So you guys get up, didn't they get up 21-7 at half? Yeah,

in the second quarter. Get up 21-7 in the second quarter. It ends up being 28-14 at the half. He also had that, again, in a natty to see a punt return. Oh. Unbelievable. In any championship,

any championship, it brings the house down. Oh, my God. It always brings the house, like the crowd. He bawled out nuts in this game. Peter Work was just out of his mind. Out of his mind.

What's the best championship touchdown? You had Desmond Howard with the Packers. You had Percy Harvin with the Seattle Seahawks in a Super Bowl. Esther. Devin Hester. Devin Hester. Devin Hester. Pretty freaking electric.

Man. I'm trying to think, man, there's some. I guess the Colts, right? It was against the Colts. Colts came back and won that. What a game game. Yeah. What a game breaker.

It doesn't count. God. So at halftime, what do we? feeling you said you're nervous? I mean, but like, but very optimistic. Like, I'm feeling good. I'm like, yeah, they got 14, but we got this. Like, we got this. So what about after the third quarter then? That was so, it's so difficult to process that I was like, because it just felt like what you were seeing with Vic was inevitable. Like, you're just like, you're just one of those things where you're like, figure it out.

Fucking chain, go to a zone or, I don't know, whatever you're doing is not working. Like, you've got to figure this out. And he, he does, it's overused term, but he feels like a cheat code when you're watching him. You're like, there's just, what are you going to do? You know? It's crazy because it's just an explosion in a bottle at all times.

True. Yeah. You're like, you can explode at any time. He's so explosive. It reminds me of like, it's not the same thing, but there was like those 05, 06, 07 Gator teams with Tebow, where their offense was like, it just was uns, it was him, it was Percy Harvin, it was.

Aaron Hernandez. Yeah. And you were just like, what, but like, what are you supposed to do? Yeah. Because they just had an answer for everything. It didn't matter what a defense was doing. They would always just find a guy. But this was different because it was coming from really just one guy.

Exactly. It is different. It is different. But the same feeling of like, helplessness. I was like, I don't know why can't you stop this? 22 unanswered points.

FSC was up 28 to 7. Gene Tech scored late in the half. As of a J-Tech fan, maybe there's some like, third quarter, let's go. 15 points. Now they missed two extra points.

They missed the X point. And they had the Chris Winky interception in there as well. I mean, Virginia Tech, they were getting stops forcing I think it was like five straight puns if you date back to middle of the second quarter. So it was just that middle third

kind of got to him. and then Vic with his electricity, he got him back in this thing. Now, when did you feel that you guys had it again? Oh, it was well into the fourth, man. It was into the fourth where I'm trying to think, I wanted, you know, I think when you're in these tight games, when you're losing, you just need separation.

You need to feel like this is at least a two-possession game for the other team to start to feel. So it was, yeah, it was probably, I mean. With Vic, it's almost like you need a, a high two possession game. Yeah. Like a, not just a 14, maybe like a 16 point.

We'll be right back after this quick break. I'm Nancy Glass, host of the Burden of Guilt Season 2 podcast. This is a story about a horrendous lie that destroyed two families. Late one night, Bobby Gumpbright became the victim of a random crime. He pulls the gun.

Tells me to lie down on the ground. He identified Termaine Hudson as the perpetrator. Jermaine was sentenced to 99 years. I'm like, Lord, this can't be real. I thought it was a mistaken identity. The best lie is partial truth. For 22 years, only two people knew the truth, until a confession changed everything.

I was a monster. Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, this is Joe Winterstein, host of the Spirit Daughter podcast, where we talk about astrology, natal charts, and how to step into your most vibrant life. And I just sat down with a mini driver. The Irish traveler said when I was 16, you're going to have a terrible time with men. Actor, storyteller, and unapologetic, Aquarian visionary.

Aquarius is all about freedom, love. and different perspectives. And I find a lot of people with strong placements in Aquarius are misunderstood. A son and Venus and Aquarius in her seventh house spark her unconventional approach to partnership. He really has taught me to embrace people sleeping in different rooms, on different houses and different places, but just an embracing of the isness of it all. If you're navigating your own transformation or just want a chart-side view into how a leading artist integrates astrology, creativity, and real, life, this episode is a must listen. Listen to the Spirit Daughter podcast starting on February 24th

on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to your podcast. I'm Clayton Eckerd, and in 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. Unfortunately, it didn't go according to plan. He became the first Bachelor to ever have his final Rose rejected. The internet turned on him. If I could press a button and rewind it all I would. But what happened to Clayton after after the show made even bigger headlines. It began as a one-night stand and ended in a courtroom with Clayton at the center of a very strange paternity scandal.

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At one point, I shut my laptop down. And we just started chatting as, old friends, recent Oscar recipient. So we have some commonality there. I predicted that, by the way. And you said these words to me, dust off your mantle. Yes. And I looked at you and I said, what?

And you said, dust off your mantle. And then I left and that was it. And then when all of that happened, I remember the next morning, I think I wanted to write you and go, How did you know? Listen to the Questlove show on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dude, you probably can't play. But that, I don't know if you saw the catch work made where he catches it and he's getting totally tackled.

And he dropped it? No. And he caught it? He catches it in the end zone as the guy is draped over him. And he still catches. is one of the most incredible touchdown catches because he's, it's a,

it's a pass interference. And he gets it. And he gets it. I think I remember that's a big momentum play too. It's a huge one. Let me see if we can pull this up over here. I mean, they get back in there with the,

the DGGN's, uh, TD 14 yarder from Winky, put him back ahead. And then you get the two point conversion from, that was, uh, from work that was huge.

Then you get a little breathing room with a Janakowski field goal. Then, of course, remember the one at the end to ice it from, uh, 43 yards. The 43. That's the one, right? I think that is.

Let me pull that way. I feel like it was the last one. And like, as a Virginia Tech fan, looking back on this game, it feels like a blowout. But like, because it started like getting your teeth kicked in. But then like, you always like hold it like they were leading in the fourth quarter, 29 to 28. But then like the fourth quarter was a blowout too. So then the score was reflective of that.

It was. But because you had Michael Vic on the team, you felt like if there was time on the clock, they could figure it out. Yeah, of course. Of course. and also if it would have been like a year older Michael Vick it would just been probably a different story too he was great the next year but he was hurt

and he got banged up in this game with the wrist early in the first half so you guys win this how do you celebrate I just I mean mostly for me it was just like that I don't know when you're when you're living in that area and you're everybody is cheering so hard for somebody else

it really is just that you get to talk shit to your friends. Yeah. And like people you know that are gator fans or whatever. You know, you just get to like walk in and just be like, what's up, dude? The most I have felt that in forever.

Because once you start playing, you don't feel that. Yeah. Was recently with USA and Canada. Really? The hockey. Yeah. Because I have a lot of Canadian friends. My mom's Canadian.

But like, and I don't even really watch. but it's that sense of community where like, you know, like you get to sit there and hit up your Canadian friends like, yo dude, what's up? What's going on here? It's, yeah, it's so fun. It's fun. It's fun. Yeah. Is this it here?

Dude, you get, look at this. Yeah, great play. They call that stacking the defender. Bro, look at the other angle. They're going to show the other angle. So stacking the defender means keeping your body in between the defender and the ball. And so if he comes through you, it's a P.I. but you're also creating a buffer for the ball to come in.

Like you practice that as a receiver. You practice that. I mean, that's an elite example of it. That's coaching tape. Yeah, you got to see this, dude. Is this it?

Yeah. All right here. See how he slows down? Yeah. He keeps his body. Bob, bro, that guy. Right here.

Look at this. Come on. That's a great play. Great concentration. Great finish. Like this angle where you see the arm. The thing is, if the DB looks back and does that, they don't call it.

Really? So if he could look back and go like that, then you're good, which is nuts. They'll give it to him. That's crazy. I mean, that's the great corners. Yeah. Are the ones that know how to cheat the best.

Right. And like certain little things. Because, I mean, there's, you've slowed down any place. in football, there's going to be a penalty. I think in football, like, you can make arguments for all the positions, but as far as you're like, what's the

artist most athletic thing to do? DB by far. To cover a guy backwards. Who's running the route, who's fast as shit. Yeah, backwards. You're doing it backwards.

It's, it's no other... Those guys, I won't say they're the brightest tools, the brightest boxer rocks, but they sure are athletic. Yeah. But when you get the mix, that's when you get Hall of Famers.

Yeah, yeah. That's when you get DeRoebus. Keep to leave. Akeb to Lebes. Got out. Guys that, you know, they use both. 163 yards, two touchdowns receiving, and then the punt return for a touchdown

from Peter Warwick. Yeah, that's a hell of the fucking game. I think he was the MVP as well. That's a nuts game. Crazy. I mean, Virginia Tech out gained him 509, but three fumbles, losing all three is tough.

not great. Jeez. Turnovers, baby. Turnovers. FSU goes on to win their second national championship of the 90s. Boy, that was a fun generation of college football. It really was.

And you know what? The thing is, man, I try to tell other fans of this now, is like you forget that it is cyclical in nature, how this happens. So when your team is, like,

crushing it, you really do have to enjoy it. Yeah. Because it does, like, you know, you think of like the USC team, teams, some of the older Texas teams, what Notre Dame had done.

And it does, Clemson, Ohio. Bama right now. Bama, it's like, you think it's forever. You just do. You know, you don't think it'll go away. And then you're like, it's, it's fun when it's happening. Enjoy it. It's fun while it lasts.

It really is. All right. Let's grade this game and see where it stacks up on the list. Okay. Got to put a bow on this thing, 46, 29. Florida State took it. Yeah. I just say the final score.

These are some names we came up with, Tom. If you have a name that you like, we could use that. We came up with the Battle of Bourbon Street, the battle on Bourbon Street, the Sugar Bowl Seminoles, the Peter Warwick game, the Chris Winky game, Bobby takes on Bourbon Street or anything else that you want.

I mean, these are all good. The one that stands out for me, I think I've made it clear as I think it's Peter Warwick's game. Oh, sure. You know when Gary Danielson's saying you could save the Cleveland Browns in that clip, you're that good. Pretty good. He would drafted by Bengals?

Yeah, but yeah. Didn't quite have the NFL career. Yeah, no, not quite, didn't quite. It's ecosystems a lot. Yeah. Where you're drafted? Who's throwing you? The receiver position is very.

Kelly Smith? Is that the quarterback they drafted? Kenny Smith? Akelly Smith? Who's that? The quarterback, the Bengals ended up drafting around. this time. They're not the best at drafting men. Well, they drafted Joe Burrow.

They did. They had the one. And that, that they mean, you know, they get things right sometimes. But yeah, that was an elite pick. Yeah, that was Scott Mitchell, Achilles Smith. All right, let's score the game. Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it. Decimals encouraged. Okay. Tom. So this is on a what, one to ten

scale? One to ten, zero to ten. Decimals encouraged the stakes of the sugar bowl in 1999. Well, the stakes, I mean, how can you minimize stakes? is for the national championship. National championship? Two undefeated teams? Yeah.

One versus one. You got to have two. One versus two, excuse me. They're high stakes. Zero to ten. I mean, I think the stakes are ten. Yeah, it's a national championship.

I mean, definitely. I'm going to say a nine point five, only because I've seen national championships that have two undefeated teams that we've done on this show that have, you know, the stakes are they're trying to go back to back. Yeah, fair enough. You know what I mean?

Yeah. I think it's interesting in that same vein because like going back to back or becoming a dynasty or solidifying. I said 9.0.0. Oh, sorry. But with, there's a level two of Virginia Tech where this is like so out of the blue to reach this level. So they have got the stakes

where like we might never go back and they have it. But there's that like one shot type of thing as well as like becoming dynasty. I had a nine point. The star power of this game, both teams, coaches, maybe who was in the building as, fans. Randy Moss was on the sideline. Randy Moss was on the sideline.

God, Randy, when you think about that he could have been there. He was on the sideline as a seminal. But like how stupid things could have been. You know, because he was at Notre Dame, then he goes FSU.

Then he gets... Marshall. He ends up at Mark's because of wheat. And it's like, it's weed. We lost him to weed? Really? I know. He wouldn't have been on the Tennessee year, right? He would have been drafted. This was his freshman year.

He was drafted 90. He played in 98. Drafted 98. So this was 2000. He was one year off. He wouldn't have been on that Tennessee versus Florida State Nets. Wait, no, yeah.

What am I talking about? He was a what here. This was his rookie year. No, this was his. He was drafted 98, 99. This is 2000. This was 99 season. In the NFL, yes.

Okay. So he wouldn't have been for that. He wouldn't have put you guys over the edge against Tennessee. But he could have put him over the edge in 96, 97. Yeah. For sure. For sure. Yeah. That would have been so stupid, man. Zero to ten star

power. Star power. Okay, I feel like Bowden, Beamer, you have Vic. I mean... McCowski. Yeah. It's pretty good. It's not like it's not elite, but I feel like it's like eight and a half. I think that's pretty good. That's a good score.

That's an integrity score. I'm going to go with... I'm going to go with the 8.9 because I think that's how big Michael Vic was in college at that point. Seriously. Yeah, I got an 8.0. 8.1. We're in the same ballpark. I love that. The gameplay of this game. Now, back and

forth, blow out early, tie it up in the third, kind of blow out at the end, block kicks, house kicks. This was a fun entertaining. It's super entertaining. Long, like how many touchdowns over 40 yards? Yeah, I think you make a good, this

happens a lot of times in games where you see a final score and you're like, oh, there's blowout. But it really was a different story in the game. You know, it was a difference to the game. I mean, that gameplay, aside from the fact that it didn't end close, I think it was pretty elite,

I would put it like 9.0. That's a good score. Really good score. The not being like up for grabs towards the end of the game is what really hurts it. Yeah. But I mean,

I think it's like a 9-2. Action-packed. You had an 8.4. Oh, a little low on me. 8.9. I don't feel like you a little bit out of there, too. The Russian judge over here. And then we got a great.

the name of the game. We chose the Peter Warwick game. Good. Zero to 10. Thumbs it up. Also how much you think about it, the cultural impact, like, how much this game like lingers on. We're talking about it, you know, 25 years later.

No, it was the second DCS game. So the one of the, yeah. Yeah. I, to me, whenever this comes up, my first thought is always Peter Ward. That's what always comes to mind for me is like how dominant he was. He was like, you know, It was like the way you would want to go out on a career is just completely just ball out, just nuts. That's how I think of him.

So, yeah. So as far as what, the name? Yeah. Score that. For the name. Well, I mean, I don't know, 9.2 for me. I'm going to go with it 8.1. At a 7.3.

A little bit more. I think about this game a lot, but I understand I'm like very specific and regional. Yeah, bad thoughts. You know, it makes me think. We didn't mention one of the best names in football history, Snoop Menace. Oh, man. Yeah. Yeah, that's 8.7.

What's that put us on the Richter's scale? That puts us, it's our new, ooh, high game. It's tied for 18th with the 2014 NFC Championship Hackers versus Seahawks. Remember that game, the comeback, all the turnovers? Yeah. We did it with Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett, yeah. and it's just behind Super Bowl 18

Raiders versus Redskins and just ahead of the 2011 ASC championship Ravens versus Patriots. Kind of high. Very high. Dude, your number one is crazy. That's a crazy game though, isn't it?

Like, everyone will remember that game. And I actually scored it to lowest. You did? Yeah, we do the average Homer. We do the average of all the, you know, the interview and all ours. But it's Johnny Humble.

One of the lowest. I feel like this is too high. The Statue of Liberty game, Boise State, Oklahoma. That's a great one. I think that's maybe my favorite college football game of all time. I think we still haven't got USC, Texas. We haven't done that.

We're waiting for Vince Young to come. Oh, yeah, that'll be near the top. That game's unbelievable. That game rocks. Yeah, that game's unbelievable. Tom,

are there any games on your bucket list sports-wise? Like, do you got to go see? That. Like, do you haven't been to yet? Like a Super Bowl, a Wimbledon. You know, I just, I didn't realize how much I went to the finals of the Australian Open. Oh, this is awesome.

I didn't realize how, I was like, oh, I could do this all the time. I've done, so that was like my first step into that, which was really fun. I've been to some F1 stuff now. I went to the Vegas one. I've done it at Cota in Austin. That's something that's fun to travel and see. I've, I feel like the NBA puts on great. event. Like I love going to games. The games are just fun to be at. I do have that same thing about

stadiums where I'm like, fuck. I know what you mean. I've been to a few now. Like big, I've been to, I saw the Bama Georgia National Championship. Oh, man. 2019, I think it was. That's the backup. It was incredible. That's so electric. But those, those, those atmospheres are amazing. Getting in and out of there makes me crazy. I can't even imagine. I can go without going to probably one again. That's why it's got to be like a different country sport. Yeah. You know what I would love to see?

Especially because I had lived a while in Madrid. I would love to see a classic quote like Madrid. Yeah. You can do El Trafico here. Yeah. Galaxy versus L. gosh. That'd be rad.

I would love to see that. Tom, we miss anything about this game. No, I think we did it right, dude. We did it right. This was awesome.

This was awesome. I'm so glad we got to talk about it. This was a fun game to go down because this is when I was like a kid. This was like when we were, I was probably 18, 17, 13. Some, I'm not a good at math either. Can't read. Not good at math. Now you definitely were in 18. No. 2000. I was in eighth grade. Yeah. I was in eighth grade. Yeah. Also shout out Astro turf. Astro turf performed very well in this game. Yeah. Way more concussions, but better for the fans. Yeah, it's fast. Oh yeah. We just, you know, this is my, I've been in L.A. for two months. I'm leaving right now back to Austin. I just wrapped up.

Season two of Bad Thoughts for Netflix. Let's go, baby. Netflix, go check it out. When's a drop? It's going to drop in May. Awesome. Cool. Everyone go check out. You guys are crushing me with your mom's house.

Yes. Mother's house, this network. Yes, yes. The YMH network. That thing's insane. We went and checked it out. All the podcasts. A bunch of podcasts.

Your mom's house every Wednesday. Two Bears on Mondays. And we have a bunch of other shows we release and produce. Yeah. Dude. You're killing it right now. Thanks, brother. Thank you so much, man.

I appreciate you coming on. Thanks for having me. man. Thank you. What a game. Fun game. Ball, nowhere. Love Tom. What a guy. Yeah, he's awesome.

He's cool. Got to get him back in here, Todd. Got a swag to him. Definitely does. Definitely does. I saw those glasses right away. I was like, this guy's fucking stuff. It looks like some JMMs or something.

I didn't know what they were. I'm Seguer. Man, he's building out a bunch of cool stuff. Awesome show on Netflix. What is it called again? Bad Thoughts, Season 2 coming soon. Awesome show. Bad Thoughts.

Season 2 on Netflix coming out soon? May, I believe he said. May. It's going to be awesome. He's got an old empire, man. You can see him anywhere. Yeah. Anywhere and everywhere.

And he's awesome. He can hit any kind of comedy because he does like, we didn't get to talk about it with him, but he does like comedy with his family. He'll do like some funny racist comedy. He'll do like old people comedy. He can hit like all comedy. He's a five two player. He can do it all. He reads the room.

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