Games with Names - UFC 52 with Chuck Liddell | Randy Couture vs. Chuck Liddell ll

Episode Date: April 1, 2025

Chuck Liddell is in studio! The UFC Hall of Famer and combat sports pioneer is with us to relive one of the most iconic UFC fights of all time: UFC 52 Couture vs. Liddell ll. Chuck joins us on the couch (2:25). We go back to April 2005 (34:00). We break down both fighters (53:54). We dive into the fight (1:04:37). We score it (1:08:04). We hit The Chill Zone presented by Coors Light (1:17:34). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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when they played Denver and in San Diego On events for event staff so I could go to the game. Oh shit at the time But I was a little chat was kicked by but no one that was and I and then fast forward 2010 I was a field box and they asked me afterwards you want to you want to come on the field? You know, I got you know, there's no words. Come on. Yeah. Yeah, of course Oh, yeah, I come on the field and you know, like a pair of s*** in the woods, come on. Yeah, of course I want to go on. So I come on the field and they just won my team. Now they just won the Super Bowl. And I got players asking me for a picture with their families after they just won the Super Bowl.

So I just that was the first time I actually went, man, came a long way in 12 years. That's like such an underdog. Awesome story. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman. They're Jack and Kyler. And we're on a mission to find the greatest game of all time or this, the greatest fight of all

time. And on today's episode, we are covering UFC 52 Couture versus Liddell 2 with Hall of Famer and one of the goats of the sport, the Iceman himself, Chuck Liddell. And we get into talking his legendary rivalry with Randy Couture. Great opponent, I mean he's a really tough guy. Really good at dirty boxing. Good wrestling, good control. If Chuck could beat Mike Tyson in a street fight. He'd get one shot. After that, it always felt like I could beat anybody. And how his entourage cameo came to be.

I asked everybody I knew to get me on the show. I just want to walk on and say hi to Vince. And then we hit the old chill line in this week's Chill Zone presented by Coors Light. You gotta stick around to the very end. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. end. Games with names is a production of I Heart Radio. April 16th 2005 MGM Grand Arena Las Vegas Nevada. It took two years to make this rematch a reality but it only took one round for the Iceman to finish it. This is the Iceman Cometh. You guys, I was worried.

I was worried. I let you go first. Welcome to Games and Names. We have a very special guest. We have Chuck Liddell in the NUT House to talk about the UFC 52 match between Couture and Liddell, two, two at the height of what UFC was going to become. This was like the, this was the, you know, when you're starting a fire or your Coles and you throw that goddamn lighter fluid on there? That's what this was for the UFC. Chuck, welcome to the Nuthouse. In one sentence, why did you pick this fight? I wanted revenge and I wanted the title. My manager at the time quit

over me insisting on taking this to doing the show to get the title. I get another title shot because I lost the first time when I fought Randy and there was an argument between me and him, he wanted more money, wanted this, and I said, I don't care, I want the title. And if I do the show, I get the title. They were trying to add two fights at the end of my deal or whatever.

So it was for me to do it, cause I would have been, this fight would have been my, the last fight on my deal. But yeah, it was like, I wanted to be the world champ, I wanted to be the best in the world. You wanted to be the title. Is this the greatest fight of all time? I don't know. We ask every guest.

That's just one of the things we do. I don't know, but when people ask me all the time, they ask me, what's your favorite fight of all time? And if I, you put a lot of great fights out there, a lot of fights to get the honorable mention, but if I had to pick one, this is it. Because it was the first time you got to experience that title. And I did it the way I like to do it.

Clean knockout. And I did how we planned it. We had everything work perfect. Clean knockout. We'll jump into it. That's freaking awesome. What are you up to these days? Raising my kids.

I do some, you know, Cold Online, King of a do those alcohols reaction videos. Those are kind of fun Yeah, it was kind of having fun with it, you know doing different things. I do some movies some TV To some self commenting some here and there just whatever Yeah, I mean I'm trying to have fun and enjoy my retirement enjoying retirement. It's never really retirement though. You're transitioning. It's always like transition into other shit You can't not like someone's driven as much as athletes are it's it's you're it's a you know You retire at a young age for you know, and you want to you want to do something You know, yeah, you can't you always sit sitting around being done Last for a very short amount of time and your brain the brain just starts going, what am I doing?

Why am I, you need something to drive you. So you need something to stimulate you, especially with athletes. Like for me, my first year out, it was tough. You know, you experience everything. You had everything scheduled out since you were fucking eight years old. You had a team you were a part of.

You had something you were going for. You're always working, there was always that. And for me, like I'm a maniac, you had something you were going for. You're always working for something. There was always that. And for me, like I'm a maniac, you know, I always was. So there was always that something to draw me back. Like I still have this goal. I'm going to be world champ. I want to be the best in the world. I want to do these things.

So that's always there guiding me, like keeping me under, reeling me back in. Cause I used to say, oh yeah, I take a bunch of time off. I have to fight. I never took a bunch of time off after fights. I never took a bunch of time. I don't have a week off, maybe we can have. And then we were, I was just me being off was like me being back in the gym and me not being the focus.

Yeah. Just working with my guys or someone else has a fight coming up. I'm working on them, but I was always training, always training. Yeah. I always getting ready for something. Now you said maniac. You're a maniac. I, I, I, you know, from the outside looking in, that's getting ready for something. Now, you said maniac. You're a maniac. I, you know, from the outside looking in, that's what it looks like.

How did this maniac develop? Like, tell us about a young Chuck Liddell in Santa Barbara. Tell us about young Chuck Liddell, Santa Barbara, were the maniac that didn't have a dad that was raised by his grandfather and his mother and his grandma. Like tell us about young Chuck Liddell and how this maniac became. You know, honestly, I just really liked fighting.

I liked martial arts. I liked, I started watching Kung Fu theater when I was young and I begged my mom to let me, I was trying to learn out of books for a while and trying to beg my mom to let me start doing karate and start learning martial arts. And she finally let me do it. And I started, you know,

it's picked on a little bit when I was young. I learned to, was told not to fight. So, but I did, so I didn't. And the principal actually called my mom and said like, you know, these kids are beating him up every day. Like, you know, and I asked him why he doesn't defend himself. And he said, you said he can't. He's not allowed to fight, so he wouldn't. You know, so they're like, you know, I asked him why he doesn't defend himself. And he said, you said he can't, he's not allowed to fight.

So he wouldn't, you know, so they're like, and they were actually taking my lunch money and of course, you know, I wouldn't give it to them. So they'd have to take it. And I kind of looked back at that. It's kind of, hey, you're going to take it. Well, you're going to take it, but I can't fight you back. And then my mom said, you know, you can't start a fight,

but you can go ahead and finish it. My grandpa started working with me on fighting and grandpa was a little nuts, but he was from Brooklyn and grew up tough. And he started, he showed me how to knife fight. And I'm like, okay, I'm a little young for that, but all right, but yeah, but no, but he taught me how to fight and I like fighting.

And I just like fighting a lot. And growing up through high school, I fought a lot. And you'd be surprised to see guys that fight and you'll see that didn't get in fights growing up. You know, that wasn't their thing. Yeah. But I fought a lot. But usually I always said it, I never started a fight.

Sure ended them. I never let you out of it real easy either. I figured that out when I was about 21, 22, like you gotta give guys outs. Okay, cause I'm not gonna let you do something I don't want you to do, but you know, but back then I'd be like, hey man, hey, he don't wanna fight you, but I will.

Then I'm like, well, I got no problem with you. He goes, ah, you can, I gotta do now. You were gonna beat him up, right? He doesn't wanna fight, but I'll fight you. Why don't you fight me? Make him either put their tail between their legs or throw a punch. So he used to have a lot, did a lot of that, did a lot of fighting growing up.

Now, I was reading about you and I was doing all our research. I was infatuated with your relationship with your grandpa. It reminded me a lot of, your upbringing reminded me a lot of my dad. My dad didn't have his pop, he was with his mom only. He didn't have grandpa around, but he had an older brother that was kind of like that. So, he had that,, but he had an older brother that was kinda like that.

So he had that, like, what role did your grandpa play in all of this? Well, a lot of it, I think, I mean, I keep thinking, like, how did he get me to feel the way he made me feel? Like, one thing I was in like, my grandpa's always proud of me. Like, if you give you 100, I don't care what you're doing, you give it 100%, you lose, no one can ask more from you.

You know, he's proud of you. You know, you go out there, win, lose, draw, as long as you go out there and bust your ass, he doesn't care. You go out there and dog it, he's gonna be mad. Yeah. Growing up with my grandma, you know, that's one thing, that's another thing,

I was never afraid of a man in my life, never have been. People always ask me, where you you if you can walk into a bar and try to figure out which guys you might have. Why? I don't care. You commit a fighting offense, we're fighting. You do something I'm not gonna allow you to do, I don't want you to do, I'm gonna stop you.

Or I'm not. I just never cared, like I've never worried about anybody like that. Yeah. And it was something the way my grandpa brought, a lot of times it was just through stories and telling stories. He's telling a story that one time he

rolled up in a bar, I'm talking about a bar fight and it was there late. His buddies all beat up. A cop showed up and arrested him. And they said to him, oh, well, we figured you must have been on the other side because you don't have a mark on you. So I'm like, to me, that's what that meant.

He was reminding me and my grandpa was always like, he always believed in me, always thought I could do anything. And that confidence, I'd die for him, trying to prove I can do what he thinks I can do. But having that confidence and being comfortable with the consequences, I don't care. You've got to understand, we started fighting in the street. I don't care what happens to me and I don't care what happens to you. That's just, it's not, I'm not a violent person. I don't like to attack people. I don't want to, I, I'm not a violent person. I don't like to attack me.

I don't want to fight anybody. But if you, if you want to fight, I mean, I like fighting, I like fighting as a sport. I like trying to show you I'm better than you. You want to, you want to, Hey, can we, who's better? Let's go, let's go and do it. You know, I love doing that, but I don't want to hurt anybody. That's not something I like. And if I decide that I don't understand, if I decide to throw a punch at you, that I'm gonna attack you,

you've done something pretty bad. You're attacking my family, my friends, my kids. You know, somebody I really care about, or, and usually not me, because I mean, I can just defend myself pretty well. Yeah, so no one's fucking with you, Chuck. I'll tell you that. I loved that.

I loved that your grandpa, he was basically in your corner. He was the, he was, he was a guy that pushed you. I always joke about that. I joke about that so much because I think I did Ed Milas podcast and he asked me like, I told him the story of my grandpa said, he was 19 years old. Oh man, you can beat that Mike Tyson guy.

That was a Tyson on top of the world. You can beat that Mike Tyson guy. I was like, yeah, pops, thanks. Thanks, pops, love you. But you know, I'd say it's a funny thing was, nowadays it's a funny thing like, who'd run in a street fight, me or Tyson's? And I always say, he's one of the guys I say,

well, he's got one shot on the way in. Yeah, as we're closing the distance, you got one shot. After that, if I get a hold of him, it's over. But I don't want to. But if he catches that shot, I'm and now for boxing, I don't I'm not. I'm in a little trouble. But he put that in your head and he let you manifest that shit. He always felt like I could I could beat anybody.

Now, do you what's your sports fandom? Do you follow any other sports? Football probably the biggest. Who's your team? Green Bay Packers. Why the Packers? That's always the funny question, but it came down to I want to bet with my grandfather.

He's been on the Rams and the Green Bay was not supposed to win. I won a game against my grandfather. And then right after that guy, this guy, Roger Minami, was giving out hats to our football team. And he said, oh, what's your favorite football team? And I didn't have one really. I was like, you know, Packers, Green Bay.

And I stuck with it and I stayed there. And that was when the Bears were big. So I graduated in 88. And it was a big, you know, Frigida, Frigida Perry and all those guys. Niners were awesome. Yeah. And I was, you know, it was green made that I stuck it, stuck it out. I actually, and I was, I tell the story that now I worked, I worked the Super Bowl when they, when they, when they

played Denver and in San Diego on event, event staff, so I could go to the game. Oh shit. I was kickboxing at the time but I was a kickboxer but no one knew who that was. My buddy was doing event staff and he's like, you want to work? I'll put you on the 50 yard line in the stands but you're 50 yard line front row and you can watch Super Bowl. So I go, I went to the Super Bowl, watched some lose.

And then, and I, and then fast forward 2010, I was in a field box and they asked me afterwards, you wanna come on the field? They're like, yeah, we'll just perish it in the woods. Come on. Yeah, yeah, of course I wanna go on. So I come on the field and they just won my team. Now they just won the Super Bowl.

And I got players asking me for a picture with their families after they just won the Super Bowl. So that was the first time I actually went, man, came a long way in 12 years. It was 98 to 2010, I think. Look at that. He was working the game as security of his favorite team, the Green Bay Packers,

to the next time they get up in there with Aaron Rodgers. I think A-Rod asked him for a pic. He said, I want a Chuck Ladell picture after the Super Bowl. That's fucking, that's like such an underdog awesome story. Any other sports? Yeah, I'll watch just about anything. Yeah. I like all the fighting sports.

Are you watching fighting now? Yeah, well, I love fighting. I still love boxing, kickboxing, MMA. Who's the fighter right now that you're like, that dude's a badass motherfucker? Alex, he's a beast. beast. I love watching him fight. I think I robbed his last fight. I don't know who was watching that fight. I got one of those judges headed four rounds to one. I don't know what fight he was watching. He had zero takedowns.

How do you get that control against the cage? For a minute in the last round. How do you give him the last round? I don't know. I just it was pretty bad Yeah, did you have to rewatch it yet? But I in person it just didn't look like it looked terrible. It looked bad bad decision That's why there's so much objectiveness in these sports. I don't there's so much gray in like boxing, fighting, fucking Russian judges and Olympics. I think fighting the big problem with that, too, is like, it's hard to judge wrestling if you never wrestled. Yeah. Or just it's never done.

You just do you know, it's just there are hard things to to really quantify. What's what's what's real control, which is holding on to a guy. I guess I can watch and watch some guy. Oh, yeah, I guess just hold the guy. what's just holding on to a guy. Like I can watch some guy, oh yeah, that guy's just holding the guy. He's not really trying to do anything, he's just trying to, he's killing time right there. Killing time, yeah.

Just relaxing and killing time. Is he doing anything much? No. Yeah. We should get a slight edge for that, but like, you know, or like an attempted submission, with an attempted submission, if it's close, okay. Yeah. But a guy just trying one, that doesn't count. Yeah. What's an attempted submission? If it's close, okay. But a guy just trying one, that doesn't count.

What's that count for? Why, people try to get, for a while they're in there trying to make that count, like for just, it's like me throwing a punch and you give me credit for it. Just cause I threw it. I didn't get close to landing it, but it actually points for it. Now, you wrestled in high school.

I wrestled in high school and college. And you fell in love with, how did you fall in love with wrestling? I just, I just like, I actually was forced to do it by my football coach. So you did karate before? I did karate before. I started when I was 12, was 14.

I, my, my sophomore year in high school, our basically our football coach said, are you doing anything else? Are you playing basketball or anything in the winter sport? No, you're wrestling. He's just throwing into it. Cause you got to think about this. Like Chuck is legit, probably like this generation of UFC

was like the first like blood sport type fighter that like you put any kind of fighter in a ring and we see who's the best one coming out. And it's cool to see how It was developed because look he did karate of 12 12 to whenever and then he started doing wrestling So he's naturally getting all these fucking skills And here's the thing back then that was one of the advantages I had in the beginning Because when I came into the sport everybody was coming from one discipline and there's basically three disciplines, right?

They're striking different all all different striking. There's submissions from the ground and then there's wrestling, the transition between standing and ground. And everybody has had one and was trying to learn the other two. I had the advantage of coming in and knowing two and being pretty good at two and, and having to learn one. And like I was, I mean, I was a 50, 50 wrestler in college. I mean, I fought Randall and he could, he didn't take me down, but he, he, if we wrestled a straight wrestling match, he was national champ the year I was a year when I was 50, you know, at a 50, 500 records, you know, 500 records. Yeah.

You know, so he would have taken me down. He had to give me a little extra distance because I hit hard. I had to throw punches when you get close. And I was able to defend his takedowns and knock him out in that fight. So it's one of those things. It's just like, you know, me coming in with two and only after concentrating on learning one. And then I made the conscious effort to

learn just a small, to concentrate mostly on a smaller portion of that thing. Because I wasn't going to be slick enough to catch guys at the level I was starting. I started fighting in the UFC, so I wasn't going to be slick enough to catch people at that level. I'm like, it's gonna take me too long to learn to be that good.

So I just worked on getting out and standing up from that position. And like, I do different things. Like Buddy showed me how to roll to a knee bar. And I figured out if I could halfway through roll to that knee bar and they're defending the knee bar, I just pull my leg out and stand up. And it worked really great. Yeah.

So I would catch guys by surprise a lot back then. So. Yeah. Now did you see any of your rest, like what position you play in football? Were you a linebacker? Linebacker. I mean, you gotta be a linebacker.

So did you, do you think you got any of your striking or your fucking explosiveness from learning how to tackle? Everything played into it. Yeah. Like, I like, cause I, You know, like, I still like to hit. That was one of my things, but. I played with Steve Neal, and he didn't play football in college. Have you heard of him?

I've always seen him. Steve Neal was a badass motherfucking wrestler. Yeah, Bakersfield. Yeah, he Bakersfield. He's a big Bakersfield guy, and he didn't play any football. He came in. I went to Cal Poly. So yeah, that's

Yeah, we were no name we wrestled at them that would pack temp. Yeah, we were packed 10 technically for wrestling Yeah, and he's the only reason they still have wrestling because he still feeds the fucking program Like but like it's just so crazy because he was one of the most athletic guys I've ever seen on the field like these will those heavyweight wrestlers that wrestled like a 118 pounder exactly It's normally a little bit a little bit slower a little bit different style wrestling your eyes You get bigger styles get different right he was wrestling it He's doesn't heavyweight like a thing a 118 pounder and that's how we got online backers He got online backers the second level really good Lyman getting to the second level is the tough part, is getting to those

fast fucking linebackers. Battling with those big boys, they could do that. So they gotta bounce off that guy and get to that second level and try to catch a fast guy. And Steve was so fucking good at that. It's probably because of all the wrestling. Oh yeah, wrestling transfer that way really well. Because it's the body on body contact.

That's why, for me me, like as a coach, when I was doing it, and you get guys from different things, I always said, give me an all American wrestler. You know, because I got a guy that, I know he's mentally tough. I know he knows how to cut weight and make weight. And he's got skills that I'm never gonna be able

to teach guys. I don't have time. I could teach a striker to wrestle and to wrestle for MMA, but you're never gonna have the time to teach them some of the natural stuff that the reps that they're gonna get, those reps that they got growing up

and those guys and their hips and the different things that they do for wrestling. So, and that's an element that makes it a lot. I can teach those guys, most of those guys, my wrestlers that come in, I teach them in six months a year to stay out of any submissions that most fighters are gonna run into, gonna put them in. And because they can stay on top.

If they can stay on top, they're tough up there. So you think that the wrestling base is always the best base to start with? It's the easiest base. It's like foundation actually. It's a foundation. And it's harder to learn when you're older. Yeah. Because the reps it takes and wrestling is hard and a takedown is hard. That's hard on your body. And I bet like the hip mobility and stuff being in those awkward positions like I'm a sprinter so I have no fucking hip movement.

Like I can't do any of that but watching like wrestlers and you guys getting in those fucking things like when you do that at a younger age, the more muscle you put on, the older you get, it probably translates. It's you're used to it. You're used to it. That's fucking crazy. When's the first time you realized you had heavy hands? I knew from from finding the street and stuff like a knock people out.

I knocked a lot of people out growing up. A lot of them. And you know, just knowing that I could, that one punch knockout was not, you know, it took me a minute to find it. So John really helped me with that hackleman. John Hacklin. He really helped me refine my skills and get my timing down a little more. I always had that pop on my elbows and stuff,

but just finding being able to land those punches and land those heavy punches was a lot from John. Yeah. Do you remember the first time you got punched in the face? No, that was way too long. I say the same thing. I say, I don't remember my first hit at all. It sparked something.

I love fighting guys that don't like getting hit. Yeah. You got those guys, no, but no one really likes getting hit. Okay, I say don't like getting hit. What I mean by don't like getting hit is that they react, overreact to maybe getting hit. Yeah.

So when you start, it's way too easy. If you're a good striker, it's way too easy for you to set a good striker, it's way too easy for you to set a guy up. Brock Lesnar, watching him, like, he's so afraid to get hit. And now that being said, that guy's all heart. Shane Carlin fight, when he got dropped,

him surviving and just keep fighting and going and trying to win after getting dropped like that, that's all heart. That's heart. But he still had that fear of getting hit. Like it's a weird thing to get used to, like a lot of times don't convert from wrestling. That's the other thing, I can't give you,

I'm not willing to teach you to be mentally tough if you come to me to fight, and I'm not able to give you a chance. Yeah. When did you know you wanted to make fighting a career? Oh, it was just kinda,, I kind of just kept going. I just graduated, I graduated from college, I was kickboxing to continue from, just to keep competing while I was doing it.

Now when did kickboxing come? So we went to college. I just finished wrestling in 93, started kickboxing, just to kind of keep competing while I was finishing up school. I finished school in 95. But then I was an accounting major and I was kind of working in a bar, fighting, training every day, fighting. Maybe I'm gonna try this fighting thing for a little while.

Now, where could you fight at that time when you're thinking of this? Was UFC was coming around? UFC came in 93, remember? Three, right? So you're in 95. But it still knew. It's new and it wasn't, I wasn't even thinking about it.

Actually, Lorenzo Neal by that time was already telling me I should do UFC. And I'm like, I don't know how to get in. Like, everybody, like they talk about it, but no one knew how to get into it. I didn't know how to get into it back then yeah there's no internet there's no social media there's no there's no easy way to find out where to go to get there's no information I was actually got to the

point in 97 where I was gonna about ready to like say you know what I got it my grandma's give me a hard time I gotta really go get a real job I was talked to John about it and I'm like you know know, I don't know if we're gonna go overseas and fight and kick boxing, you don't have to go overseas to make any money. And I don't know if it's gonna get there and something like that, you know, maybe. And then someone actually, this guy Nick Onekick Pongren

in Vegas asked me if I wanna do a mix fight on one of his shows. So open hand palm strike, like pancreas, old school rules. And I went out and I was like, okay, sure, why not? I'll do one more fight, you know, like before I go look for a real job. And I was to land it as much as I could. Hell yeah.

So when I went out there and I went out there and wound up, by the time I got there, it was a, you could only slap with this part of your hand, but you could kick, kick that. And then once you hit the ground, it was no striking. But I'm like, when I was fighting a Jiu-Jitsu guy, I guess, and I'm like, okay, no problem. So I went out and I wound up kicking the guy in the head and knocking him out. And some guy asked me right after, said, man, do you want to fight in the UFC?

I said, yeah, sure. Let's try it. do you want to fight in the UFC? I said, yeah, sure, let's try it. So they offered me an alternate spot in the tournament for a thousand dollars to go out. And the tournament was 25 grand if you won it, but it was a thousand bucks to show up and fight one fight. And then you're the alternate to the tournament.

So if you get in, and they said five out of seven got in. So if I got in, it'd be either 10,000 or 20,000, I think, or 25,000 or whatever. And so I'm okay, perfect. So I went and did that, and I just kind of fell in love with doing it. And I won up, you know, that was in 98, UFC 17, and I won my fight, didn't get into the tournament.

I tried to talk Henderson out of fighting the second round, but they asked me, what do you think you should do? His legs kind of beat up that first fight. And I'm like, you know, the best thing would be to just hold off to next time. Maybe, maybe you should like, I think they, I don't know if they figured out that I was not giving good advice, but I was trying to talk about it fighting that round because I wanted to fight.

Hell yeah. Now John Heckleman, that's got to be one of your guys that like he kinda, kinda like in that grandpa role where he told you, hey, he kinda like, you can do this shit, you should do this shit or he guided you, I don't know. Yeah, he guided me though. Yeah, and he was always there.

He's always there, you know, we're still friends. You know, we still training, still coming up and training with him. Yeah. He was my coach the whole time and he really helped. And like, he wasn't traveling, wasn't working with me as much right in the beginning. And I said, hey man, I need your help, strike.

Cause we was doing the mixed martial arts stuff. He's like, didn't know if he fit in that much. I need you to come back. I'm not knocking guys out exactly. See what's off. Cause like he was one of the guys like I can read see I would be not dropping guys with my body shot and my little shot, you know, I'd be missing and he'd be like I mean, oh

Change that angle though. You just a little more up. Okay. Oh, thanks John Yeah, it's draw to drop one of guys born. Okay, that was your Miyagi. Yeah, he was your mr. Miyagi Yeah for sure. When's the first time you meet Dana white don't know exactly. I met him I was straight at train with you a little bit and we were through me train it train He was managing Tito and he actually told Dana a man you imagine you like him Well, I just got you know, just gotta see Chuck Cause I used to beat Tito up all the time in training. Like I could beat him in wrestling, I could beat him at our styles, just to match well for him.

I could beat him in wrestling, I beat him in a jiu-jitsu match. I mean, he's probably better at submitting people than I was, but I'd still, I'd outscore him in his match, beat him every time we wrestled, I beat him. And every time we struck, I beat him. Like I dropped them body a bunch of times. And he's the face of the league right now.

He wasn't the face of the league then, but he was when they, cause they hadn't taken it over yet. Cause Dana was our manager. So he's just your manager. He was my manager at that time. So you meet him through Tito-ish? Through Wayne Harriman.

Wayne Harriman. And so then you start training with Tito and then all of a sudden Dana's like, who the fuck's this guy beating the shit out of my guy? And then, so then we go, then we went and did everything they bought, they wanna buy in the OCE, you know. How was he as a manager?

Great, he was the first guy, like going out and trying to get other things. Like he was trying to get us in like, not just like Black Belt Magazine or whatever, starting his fitness magazines or get different, he was trying to get better exposure, more stuff. Yeah, he was he was getting into different markets. Yeah, he was he was really.

And then when he you know, I think I mean, I don't like to speak for him. But I think they were they the way I understood it back then was they were he was looking at him in the reservoir talking about doing a boxing promotion. And they decided, you know, hey, why don't we just do when we do this U.S. stuff that's not being run right? Let's do it the right way. And so they got it and then they sunk a bunch of money into it and then it took off.

So did the relationship change once he became like pretty much the president? Well, when they bought the company, he had to release me and actually he had my his old lawyer actually the by who did my legal stuff for during as his manager but he became my manager so he took care of you and then he actually quit over me taking the ultimate fighter deal because your old manager oh man that old manager quit quit quit because over that because he's a cuz I he thought I wasn't I wasn't trusting him with stuff.

I mean, I get it, but it was like, I said, no, we gotta do this. I want that title. It's guaranteed to me as a title shot. And it's gonna be on free TV. We have to do this. Yeah. What's Dana White mean to the UFC?

We wouldn't be here today. Like I tell people all the time, people tell me whatever they wanna say about them, about money and all that stuff. When I people all the time, people tell me whatever they want to say about them, about money and all that stuff. When I came into the sport, I loved it and I moved in. I mean, a home run was making 150 grand a year. By the end of my career, I was making over 150 grand on my shorts. They've gone away from that now too.

But I was making more than that in sponsorship you know and and not and by the way at that home run was making it was fighting three times that year to make that 150 yeah that's like it that was a do that the top guys yeah we wouldn't have advanced as far we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them I mean I think it would eventually got here yeah without those been fighter or now without all the things that they did to promote the sport. And then regulate it. I think we wouldn't, we would have gotten here because it's a great sport, but I think we would still be fighting to get here. We wouldn't be here yet.

You know, it's, it's, it's one of those things. It's like, I mean, I remember we were, we went around, we were doing all these things, just trying to get, we going to Boston Boston Globe asking Begging them to put us in the leisure section. Yeah, you're not they weren't even covering us in the sports sections And they was just to put us anywhere Yeah, I thought it was funny when they called me a few years later and asked me for where I like to vacation for their leisure section We've been there trying to break in

and just to just get coverage. But we, and that was one of the things for me that actually I think helped me cross over a little more with fans and stuff like that. We were doing all this, I was like, man, you did a good job of marketing yourself. No, I wasn't marketing me. I was trying to market our sport.

I was trying to get a dance through the stars. I did that because it's a different demographic. And I wanted them to see us and they were not a bunch of Neanderthals. You know, because that's one of the things we're fighting in the beginning was just a bunch of guys that fell off a bar stool and wanted to fight. That's why Dana did it too.

I got the rest to do this. I'm like, you know, I had a college degree. I could have done it in an accountant if I wanted to. Yeah. I didn't want to. I liked fighting. I liked training. Oh yeah. I liked doing martial to. I liked fighting, I liked training. I liked doing martial arts.

I liked the sport. It's freaking Dana White blew the bitch up. Yeah. He blew the bitch up. But that was, he was always trying to promote and make it big, man. And look where we're at now. We're at 10, 11, 12B now.

I mean, it's on ESPN. It's so crazy. During this whole time especially UFC 52 when this this match took place in 2005. I mean I was in high school I remember like starting to learn about the UFC. My brother loved it and now Like you go to a high school now. Everyone everyone's talking about UFC on the clips on Instagram to this that I mean It's a major sport now. It's a fucking major. I would consider it a major, it's in the big five now.

They created themselves to be in, over boxing. It's killing boxing right now. Really took advantage of COVID too. COVID was huge. It's fucking awesome. We got Chuck Liddell in here. We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's go back into a segment where we go back into time when the fight took place. This fight took place April 16, 2005.

And we go over pop culture and we just talk about what was going on. Number one movie. What is that? Amityville Horror starring Ryan Reynolds and Philip Baker Hall. Michael Bay produced it. It was a remake of a 1979 film adaptation from a book by Jay arson. Budget 19 million gross 107.5. Did you see that? I actually never saw it. I never saw that one either Chuck. It's scary. I was never a horror movie guy. Yeah. Never have been. Me either. I just, it's one of those things that I, one that they don't scare me usually.

And usually it's like, I remember one, watch one, Brad Penny told me to watch, they're scared. The thing's like, oh, hey man, it's got a creepy movie and this guy's kidnapped. And I was like, and then this guy starts wrestling with the, like the boogie man guy. And I can actually wrestle with him. I'm like, okay, that's over.

If that guy can survive that I killed that guy Chuck Liddell doesn't watch scary movies scary movies watch Chuck Liddell Exactly Exactly. I watched The Exorcist when I was 13 years old. I Slept with my parents for two weeks after that. I was fucking terrified. The Exorcist fucked me up and Chuckie When I was young I had an older brother who used to do a bunch of fucking, I, he was seven years older, so he used to fuck with me.

So I don't like scary movies either, Chuck. I'm with you. Candy Shop, we all knew that with 50 Cent. That was a, especially, that was high school, baby. This is senior year for you? This is like senior year, I think. This is when Tom Cruise jumped on Oprah's couch. Yeah, is this when he went Scientology went kind of I think he's always been He went a little he's still cool. I still watch all his movies. I'll support the shadow YouTube came out in 2005

The first video ever was posted on YouTube. It was titled me at the zoo was uploaded by one of YouTube's co-founders It was a 19 second video of him It was titled me at the zoo was uploaded by one of YouTube's co founders. It was a 19 second video of him standing next to elephants at a zoo. And now we watch fucking like chickens take dumps and over fucking a billion people will watch that because of that. It is crazy. It's fucking nuts. Uh, NBA champions, San Antonio Spurs, MVP Steve Nash. He was fucking dirty. NFL champions, the Pats.

This is when they took down Eagles. Yeah, this is the last of the four. Last of the three, the first three. Peyton Manning was MVP. What was Chuck Liddell like in 2005? 2005. This is your, this is. Yeah, I was at the top of my game, I was fighting.

I was just loving it. It was awesome. I mean, we are, you know, having fun. It was really different though. Like I got to say, like, so we did ultimate fighter, right? So we filmed it all for that over four. And then, you know, I was walking around a mall, like right after it started airing and like, like the people coming up to me like,

hey, good fight, like, hey, like, I used to be able to walk into a room and go, okay, that guy with the tap out shirt, and that guy over there, and that guy over there probably know who I am. And then all of a sudden I got like, grandma's coming up, hey, great fight, then I'm like, how do you know what, what?

Like it was all of a sudden it went from That beam, you know pretty easy to tell who might know you're to everybody. I think it was it was crazy Yeah, the Ed Hardy guy he knows him, but now we got grandma Grandma's now no dude. We got to talk about I remember watching you and fucking entourage. Who'd you punk Johnny drama? I drum. Yeah, that was because that was like the biggest? Johnny Drama? Johnny Drama, yeah, that was cool. Cause that was like the biggest show in the world. Well yeah, I loved that show. We all loved it.

For me, it was one of those shows, that was probably the last show that I actually, when I was traveling, would actually go try to find some place to HBO on Sunday and I'd try to go watch it. Without a doubt, cause we can't binge it back then. You can't just binge it. And I asked everybody I knew to get me on the show. You the show you know like I just want to walk on to hide events. Yeah. It was cool

that when they found out they're gonna put me on they're like oh we might as well put him on when I was making the punk. I think they had originally had something else but they came up with a whole two different punk works. You got got that episode. Yeah. It was a lot of fun. You were everywhere in the in this time. Yeah and again it's like one fun. You were everywhere in this time. Yeah, and again, it's like one of the things we're just trying to promote the sport. Yeah.

Back then, like a lot of people, a lot of people had no idea who I was. Now they knew who I was. So now they hear I'm fighting on a, and they're, oh, maybe I'll watch that guy. Maybe I'll watch Papermill. You know, that was the idea. What was your coolest experience that you think this time?

What was your, the one that you liked that was fucking, I made, oh, this is pretty cool. It was right after, a week after the fight, like when this fight, like Lorenzo, Dana, those guys, Lorenzo was like, hey, do you want to go on a vacation with us? And then we flew a private jet to Ibiza, went on a couple of 200 foot yachts.

Yeah. They had like 88 foot tenders and they're crazy. Like it was like, you know, and like for a kid, I was a kid anymore, I was 35, but I mean, I'd never done anything like that. No. And then we did that for a week. And then I went to, I think I did on the longest,

like I think we went to England and did a PR tour for a couple days there. That flow I feel bad. I did like they did like I think they did like I was in like 17, 17 cities and five countries and like like five days they were like in 25 days or something. It was crazy. It was. You were the perfect person at this time to promote the game because you, I mean,

you look like a fucking, you look like a fighter. Yeah. And also for- You had the haircut, you had the look, you had the fucking cauliflower hair, you had the fucking, the thing. I also had a college degree. We're still trying to convince people we're not just a bunch of- Without a doubt. I also had a college degree. We're still trying to convince people we're not just a bunch of neanderthals that have nothing else to do, just wanna fight, beat people up.

So that was a little easier. That was one of the things I did. I went with, I got a, before I fought Tito the first time, this was before this, they told me, you gotta do better on your interviews. Now the problem back then was everybody coming going in an interview They don't even read their one sheet. They don't know what to talk about. They didn't know what MMA was Yeah, they'd ask you is this pro wrestling or you know, is it like wrestling or like like this?

they asked dumb quote the dumbest questions of all and I'm like and they in like It's harder to an interview when you don't get no one knows what you're talking about You don't know what to say and then so I got my actually my manager back then is his sister was a drama teacher And she actually said she coached me on doing interviews Yeah, we're gonna be days and I she asked me to write down the ten most common questions I had first off she goes cross while these all shitty questions and you got about two real questions here So what you're gonna do from now on is when you go out there, they ask you whatever shitty question they ask, answer the question. Yes or no. And then talk for about a minute and a half to two minutes about whatever you

want to talk about. And, and that, and that, and then if they, if they, if they're worth anything as an interviewer, they'll be able to follow up. From there, cause we're doing radio, so it has to be pretty quick hits. So interviewing people loved me at that time, man, what'd you do? Like, well, you told me to get better and no one told me how to get better.

I actually got some, I went and got coached like on how to actually do an interview. How do I talk to people? Like what, and especially, like I said back then, we were trying to educate the people asking us the questions yeah what our sport is they didn't they didn't know what it was like you have like you get a radio show host and they're like who's this guy you know he's what's fighting I don't know what's MMA I don't know that it was UFC they

don't know yeah so it was a there's still a lot of that back then. So we were doing all, it was fun. We're always trying to improve here in the Nuthouse on games with names. Give us an example of a shitty question so we don't ask anyone. You know, I don't even know. You know, it's just like they'll ask and answer. They'll ask and answer like,

did you think it was good that this guy did that and did this and you know, then he should have done this but he should have done that like um so do I tell you you're wrong or and we argue about this or do you want me just to go uh-huh because that's about my two choices. Yeah don't answer the question in the question. A lot of interviews were over talk. Yeah. Or they just wouldn't know. You know they just asked because they don't know the sport at all. It was so new. What you should have done is you should have just did a little highlight clip of Bloodsport

and had Van Damme over there fighting the dude doing this and fucking, you know, the big belly flop guy. I loved that. That was one of my favorite movies. I loved that one too. And that's how my brother pitched UFC to me when I was in high school because we were all like, everyone watched boxing at that time. He's like, bro, it's fucking blood sport. I'm like, what are you talking about? And he's like, go watch.

I watch, he's like, it's blood sport. So what's on your pregame, did you have like iPod or anything? What was in the music? The old iPods. You know the whole iPod, the little nanos. They actually one of the commissioners always say, man, I love being in your room because I never know what's going to come on next. What was what?

I go from like Slayer to to country to to rap. I mean, I would just go from just I put a lot of random stuff. Yeah, I'm the same way. Hitting all spectrum. Yeah. All spectrum and all stuff come on. Different things fire me up different ways, you know? And so, yeah, I said I was pretty I was just having fun back then anyways. 2005 Chuck Liddell's probably listening to like seeing all that

by the young Jeezy and shit. You know, I'm talking about Trapstar got a little country in there as well. Fucking awesome. Let's let's jump into the fight. So Randy Couture also known as the natural from Everett, Washington. Couture had a background in Greco-Roman wrestling, and he was an all American wrestler at Oklahoma State. Go Cowboys. He served in the hundred and first Airborne before making his UFC debut in 1997.

And in 2005, at this point in his career, he had a record of 13 and six. He just came down from being a heavyweight champ. Can you break down his fighting style? Fighting style? Yeah, was he just a straight wrestler? No, he's really good at dirty boxing. Getting inside and beat guys up in there and then good wrestling, good control, good cage

control, just all around good fighter, tough, take a shot. What was his greatest strength? Well, he was wrestling and being able to control people. What's Randy Couture mean to the MMA? He was a big name, man. He was a big name, and he was great. He was a great opponent. I mean, he's a really tough guy.

Guy's been around, been around. And like I said, he's gone up, gone won an heavyweight title, then came down and got that light heavyweight title. Yeah, so he's tough, man. Any bad blood? None. None. No, we're good. Respect. Yeah, we he's tough and any bad blood none none. No, we're good. We're respectful

Yeah, we're respectful. I mean, I don't think everybody I fought I'm friends with everybody I fought pretty much Yeah, separate Tito, but I mean I don't have I don't hate Tito just we don't you know, just you don't like we don't get along Yeah, I guess that's all I will find a bug I mean, I used to think it was funny like back even back in the day We were still fighting like yeah, come on. We go now club in the big man cheetos is everything gonna be okay? I'm like you got a couple million dollars. No, then yeah things gonna be fine You know, it's like we're good so you fought Randy couture in the inner inner term match, right? It was like the inner interim belt and you lost he was it came out It was kind of it was kind of like you were thinking about Tito because there's all that Tito shit going on

Did you take anything from that first fight? Like into this second fight when you're going to the title fight like exactly Is that like for us when I play a team in the regular season? And I got that film of playing them when I played them in the postseason I felt like I had an upridge on them because I already felt their technique right after we we watched I didn't watch I know the first fight I didn't watch films for till we discussed with new fighters I was so upset that I let tito off the hook. Yeah Um to fighting me and not that I lost toito off the hook to fighting me.

Not that I lost to Randy, I had respect for Randy. I just didn't like that I let Tito off the hook. It just crushed me. So I was training and Danny did a good job. He got me right back in the ring, let me go fight. And Brian got me back, fighting right away because that's what I needed to get back, focus on something.

And then we started going. And when I signed the fight, we're ready to go, I watched the film on it. And I watched the film and I go, we're gonna knock him out. I got him. And I was always good at going back in, I break it down with things, I saw a few little things and that's all I needed.

What did you see? Like, what are you looking for when you're watching a film? Well, what I'm watching a film against someone else, I'm trying to see what things they do, like what their what their movement habits are, what they welcome. And then usually when I fight them, I try to test and see if they they're moving the same way against me. Yeah, because a lot of fighters don't move the same way,

depending on what they're who you're fighting. They don't move. They have a lot of similarities in how they move but they're not quietly They might be a little more worried about me hitting them So they're gonna move a little different or they've trained a little different for me than they did for somebody else But when you see now they they're ready for you and then they when they win they don't change it a whole lot It's so similar to football, you know, like cuz like that first drive when you're in offense You're throwing shit out there

and you're putting stuff that you saw in film out there to see how they defend. Right, it's very similar to that. So then I can see, all right, we got our counter, we have this play in two drives, we have a third down look because they did this. So a lot of that, I mean, that chess in fucking fighting. And that's the fun part about it,

is that you're playing chess out there. And and there's there's so many ways to win and lose at MMA. Yeah. Now that that I can, you know, say, and that's what I like. Styles make fights a lot of times, you know, guys, this guy, this guy is an easy fight, easier fight for this guy. But not not so easy for that guy. It's different matchups. Matchups, baby. OK okay so Chuck Liddell now

you obviously know this this is for our audience back at home Chuck Liddell also known as the Iceman fighting out of St. Louis Obispo in California Chuck was a D1 wrestler at Cal Poly go Mustangs and was an amateur kickboxing champion known for his sprawl and brawl fighting style he excelled with great takedown defense and heavy hands Chuck made his UFC debut in 1998 in Mobile, Alabama in 2005 when we're talking about at this point of your career you had a record of 14 and 3 on the height When do you realize you had that over that overhand punch? When you know it was gonna connect in this one in this fight

And that was that was a thing he will pressure you and come over and I was We're I worked on pivoting off and countering with that right hand Pivoting so you pivot off and get him but he's coming still coming forward He catch him a little chin that way Drop them so it landed great and then you went in see the crazy thing is You guys when they drop and hit the ground then you guys go in the straight fucking hammer We got to finish them with some guys, you know, you don't know you in the straight fucking hammer mode. Well, you gotta finish him,

because some guys, you know, you don't know. Chin. You don't know if some guys can survive down there. And if you don't, if you don't, and you have to make the ref stop it, because otherwise the guy, if you jump right on top of him, the ref's gotta stop it.

Yeah. If you don't, the ref can wait and see how he reacts. Yeah. Like you can hold on, but if a guy's up there, if you're up there hitting him, he's gotta pull you out. Yeah. If you're not, you wait a minute to call the fight, we go, wait, let me see is Randy okay?

Is Randy okay? Now bell rings, fight starts. What's going through your head in this fight? Our thing was just keep moving my feet, keep circling. Keep circling, just keep your feet moving. So I just come in and see how he's's gonna engage see how he's gonna come at me I just I'm not throwing a few punches at him You know just get it get him to come in

Cuz I know he's what he wants to close this and he's like he doesn't want to stand outside on me I don't want to stand out. You know, it's not there. Let me pick you apart You know You don't want to stand out there and let me pick you apart. He's going to have to come in. Now when did this Iceman persona come from? Well that was just John. John nicknames everybody I think. But he started calling me Iceman because he said he didn't get nervous before fights. He had like 200 amateur fights and like 60 some odd pro fights.

And he got nervous before every single one of them. And I think it was, we were in Bakersfield fighting at the Strongbow Arena in there. And he, he was, I was going to fight at like nine o'clock, nine 30, 10 o'clock at night. So he was going to come tape my hands at eight. And, but we'd been there since we got there. They had us get there at like five 30.

So I'm in the back sitting around doing nothing. And he goes looking for me and he can't find me and things like maybe I took off like does that app guys freak out and take off whatever. I mean he's looking around looking around and finally he finds me and I'm sleeping on a tie bat and my head on tie bat just sleeping in the corner. And I'm just killing time. We had no guy we had the other guy we had the other guy had already fought and I was just kind of relaxing.

And so he just couldn't, I have trouble sleeping the night before a fight, you're sleeping like a couple of hours before your fight. It was the ice man. So he just started calling me the ice man. Hell yeah. You know, I used to nap before a game. Yeah.

Yeah, cause sometimes you get too jacked up before a shit. Like you wear out mentally. Like, it's gonna be a long battle in the battle. Like, let me go in calm. Let me go in calm, refreshed. 100%. Like that, that's the thing. Like, worrying about it.

I always used to tell people, I used to calm before you fight. I said, because I know it's not gonna do me any good. I've already, we've already done the game plan. We've already got, we've already trained. Training, training, and camp was last week. Hayes in the barn. It's over.

We can't do anymore. Worrying about it's not gonna do any good. So just go out and perform. If you just go out and perform, you're gonna do a lot better than you will if you go out worried. If you spend all night worried about it. I remember funny funny, sir, like my buddy came, my buddy, friends of both of us, me and Tito before

he fought the first time he went down to see Tito and his Tito was in his room. And they're all in the front room talking talking strategy and what he's gonna do tomorrow and all that stuff. He said he came up and knocks on my door and he comes in and he walks in. I got two girls in my bed. And he's like, and he's like, and he's like, I knew who was going to win right there. So you were just completely relaxed and didn't care.

I'm like, it's just it's just was just it just beats it. This being calm, you know, I was like, it just, it's just that this being calm, you know, I was like, I don't, I didn't, it doesn't, it does, it does be no good to worry about it. So why do it? It doesn't no good to worry. So why worry? Yeah. I was always a good test taker.

I always did well. If I had, I would I, I would shout out what I should probably should have done on test. Cause I, I realized you should, I'm studying, studying, studying until you close the book. As soon as they start the test, I'm, I'm relaxed. I just go out and do, I do my answers. Hey, do what I can do.

That's all you can do. There's no more, we're not worried about if I can do anything. Yeah. Don't worry about what you can't, you know, I'm saying that people say it all the time. Don't worry about what you can't, things you can't change.

Can't affect, can't control. I need a little chuck in my head sometimes. I need a little chuck in my head sometimes. I need a little chuck in my head. Can we get, put a bow on this, on the fight, and walk us through the fight, Kai guy? So first, before we do the fight, we gotta do the lead up. That's very important for this match. The lead up to UFC 52 is a rematch

from two years in the making. Couture won the interim championship we mentioned before in their first meeting in a third round TKO. Since that fight, Randy was 2-1, notably beating Tito Ortiz to unify the belt and then beating Vitter Belfort, I probably butchered that, to reclaim the belt. And then Chuck went 3-1, also beat Tito Ortiz and also competed in the Pride Grand Prix tournament representing the UFC. And this led up to UFC 52, but also a part of UFC 52 is the Ultimate Fighter season one so Ultimate Fighter season one is where Chuck and Randy were coaches it was a

I won both weight classes that's right with the UFC struggling to stay afloat Dana White pitched the idea of an MMA reality show to the newly created Spike TV. 16 fighters across two weight classes, middleweight and heavyweight. Two teams led by Coach Liddell and Coach Couture. And the winner received a six figure fight contract with the UFC. Dana White credits the finale fight between Forrest Griffin and Stefan Bonner with saving the UFC. It was great.

It was our first free fight on TV, right? And to have that amazing a fight that had all elements of MMA in it, I mean, you couldn't ask for a better fight. They had a Gotti Ward type fight. Maybe not the two best guys out there right now at that time, but such a great matchup. Such a great matchup. put on a show. Put on such a great matchup, put on a great show. They had both that successful careers after that.

Forrest managed that for tough. Yeah. Good fighter, did great. Now, when you did this show, did you notice that every little kid everywhere was starting to do your mohawk and what inspired this mohawk? No, I didn't notice that.

Because I remember kids trying to be Chuck Liddell with the mohawk. I think I had one. I had one too. In this year. So I grew up my whole life with the shave dad. I was short growing up, tell about my eighth grade. And in eighth grade, I had a teacher, a subject teacher asked me after class,

like, hey, so what's it like being a skinhead? I'm like, so that's what people in the skinhead culture, like I'm like, I'm what? I'm not a skinhead, I don't know what you're talking about. You know, and I'm like, I don't even know skinhead. Well, huh? Yeah. And so I told my grandma that as I was laughing, telling the story of my grandma and my grandpa.

And I was, oh, OK, we're going to let you grow your hair out a little bit. I got to go to people, mistake you for a skinhead. Because that was a big thing. Issue with that back then. And I'm like, OK, so I got to grow my hair out. So now we're in college, I think it was 92, and my buddies were going to Slayer concert. We're all going to Slayer concert, everyone's going to shave their heads. I'm like, nah, not going to happen.

I did that for way too long, not going to happen. They said, you got to do something, come on. Well, I'm in a Mohawk, I'll do a Mohawk. So I did a Mohawk. And I actually went up to the, we worked at the, I was working security at the fair after that. Really, I noticed that everybody there recognized,

like all the people that worked there would recognize me when I was off. I get free food and stuff. And so people recognized it. And so I just kinda kept it and I started kickboxing. I was fighting and I actually went to one of my fights in Strongbow Arena back early fights with a hair grown out because I got an altercation at a club I worked at.

I was working and they wanted me to grow my hair out for the court case. I won, I was an idiot. I was stupid. But anyway, so I won that and then we went out. But I went the week before that I had to fight. I fought and they, so I had my hair growing out. I didn't fight.

The promoter got mad at me. Said, don't, hey man, don't ever do that to me again, man. You gotta wear your mohawk. Cause I had people complaining that you never showed up. Now I knocked the guy out in the second round that night, but they didn't know it was me no No, there's no hawk. I was on the I was on the poster, but they didn't know I was there They thought I didn't show up. Yeah, so I was the mohawk. I was on poster It was not mostly and I was like don't do that to me again

People recognized me for that So so later on when I find you see like an actually pretty promoter back then told me, oh, that's played out, get rid of that mohawk. I was like, I'm good. But it was actually a good thing for people to recognize me and notice me. Especially back in the day, when I first started getting a little bit of fame,

people, you'd see them going, at the scene with the bar going like this. Trying to look around my head, see if I have that tattoo. Is that him? Yeah, he's got the tattoo, okay. What's the tattoo? It's from my original karate style.

It's what we wear on our black belt. What we get on our black belt, it's what we wear on our gizmo, we get on our black belt, it's a kanji. What does it mean? Roughly, peace and prosperity, place of peace and prosperity, or house or temple of peace and prosperity.

Yeah. Kind of the idea was you study martial arts to be for internal peace and prosperity. Yeah. Before we go into grading this game, I want to ask, what was it like doing the ultimate fighter with having like cameras everywhere? Like that was like reality TV time

and you guys are getting thrown into that. What was that whole experience like? It was interesting. The nice part about it was like I got, we were just there when we were on set. They didn't have the coaches weren't living in the house. I mean, but it was a learning curve for everybody. You know, they came in, um, not quite understanding stuff, you know, some things and, you know, we,

we got, we got a few arguments. I had a couple arguments with them over stuff and I think I, I think they joked about, um, about the second season I did. They said I still held the record for most rules broken in the season. But I mean, but a lot of it came down to we had a lot of arguments over of them, them trying to be reality people and do what they do and, and us, me being a coach and doing what I do. Because my thing was, like we got, so good examples. So one of the one of the one of the one they were Kenny Florian was going to fight one of the nights, one of the shows

that we were filming. This is not going to be aired for a couple of months. Right. Until later. And and they, you know, and so the guy that tape wraps hands that they hired showed up late. He wasn't there yet. And they wouldn't let me tape his hands because they hired showed up late. He wasn't there yet. And they wouldn't let me tape his hands because they said, I don't know why I could tape normally but they wanted their guy to do it. Okay, whatever.

So he gets his hands taped, this guy comes in, this runner, because he goes, hey, he needs to be out there in five minutes. I'm all, hey man, we need about 20 minutes to warm up. We're going to need about 20 minutes to warm up. He needs to be out there in five minutes. I'm all, hey man, we need about 20 minutes to warm up. We're gonna, we need about 20 minutes to warm up. He needs to be out there right fucking now. Who the fuck do you think you're talking to? And I ran out of the room. She runs out and got the person in charge

and she comes in and she came in and she starts yelling at me. I'm all, hey, look here. You hired me to be these kids' coach. I'm gonna treat him like the one of mine this guy's not fighting tell his good guy I say he's damn ready or You can ask them who they want to fire me or you Your choice good luck No, that's you. That's not and they gave me the time. Rightfully so too, because this guy's about to go fight for his fucking life.

Like not even fat, but like for his career. Yeah. It's like, no, he's not ready. And this isn't the time we need. No. And it's not to mention it's your fault we're late being warmed up. Yeah.

Not ours. So I don't even wanna hear it. That being said, we talked after it. And you know, like, it's like, look, I understand you guys are trying to make a said we talked after and you know, like it's like look I understand you guys are trying to make a show But they I mean they they wanted we it was 60 straight days that time at that time With fights in the middle of it Jesus and they wanted us to do They want us to do two hard workouts a day every day for 60 days. I'm a guy's nobody can do that

This ain't gonna happen. I we had them doing something, we can do something. But like, you got these, and we had these challenges too, they were all physical. And yeah, I was gonna say, I went, dude, guys, like, I'm gonna, I will, we can do something. But you gotta be, we gotta kind of- They're humans. They're humans, and then you ask me to be their coach,

I'll be their coach. I get it, we hired you guys to make a reality show. Yeah. I will do what you ask within reason. Yeah. Everyone's just trying to do their job, they don't understand being an athlete, the athlete doesn't understand

that we're trying to put a show on, and that's just all this bullshit, but it turned out to be a fucking great thing because because of this show it's slingshotted yeah this is one of the I'm telling you this show is pretty much the template for like six other sports and how they've gotten famous now drive to survive they're trying to do with tennis they're trying to do with golf it's all because of the ultimate fighter. How was the show pitched to you?

Like how did it all come together? David said we do the show, it's gonna end up in a fight, a team fight at the end of the day, and you get a title shot the week after, perfect. And you're like, let's fucking go. Title shot, right, let's go. And that was the argument, we went back and forth, because they, at the time we had,

I think I had two fights left, so I would have fought once, and then we could, we usually I had two fights left. So I would have fought once and then we could we usually would would have negotiated a contract after that. And I he wanted to fight the end of the deal, like because I was going to fight again before that show. And when I fight them, then fight on the show. And he wanted two extra fights at the end of the deal.

I had whatever that was. My manager actually quit over it. Jesus. I mean, I still paid him on the two fights we had lapsed, actually. It worked out. He got to say that he represented you, and you got to do what you just did.

So it was fun. So everyone won. We're still friends. So to wrap up The Ultimate Fighter, your fighter, Forrest Griffin, won in a war of a fight against Stephan Bonner. Forrest Griffin won the UFC contract, but Dana White was so impressed with the other fighter

that he also awarded the other fighter a UFC contract. Well, I wasn't aware the UFC gave out participation trophies, but here we go. Stop. And then a week after, as you mentioned, the season one finale of The Ultimate Fighter, it was time for the coaches to fight. And you guys go in, you fight,

you knock his ass out in the first round. Yep. And it was awesome. That was awesome. That was, and that's about as excited as I ever get. Cause you know, you put all that time into it, and then you do it exactly how you want to do it. That's how you knock out, you know, that's how,

what if I don't? And I always say the other thing, if you want to pick like the second favorite fight is the second one, because it proved that this one wasn't a fluke. Yeah. Once is luck, twice is skill, three's a pro. That's what my dad used to say.

He goes, once is luck kid, twice is skill, three's a pro. Walk us through beat for beat, what it's like winning a UFC championship. It's hard to say beat for beat. I mean, I used out there, you go out and do your thing. And then, I mean, I was fired up if you could tell. If you couldn't tell after watching me, after the fight, I was pretty fired up.

Was your grandpa around still? No, I was. That was a hard one for me. Yeah. I would say the one thing, you know, one thing you never got to see was me fight in the OC. You never got to see the champ. Never got to see me fight. He got to watch me fight kickbox from once. Knocked that kid out in the second round.

But, you know. But he watched. He got to watch, man. That's, that's. But it's, and you know, without him, I wouldn't have been out there. And my mom, I mean, my mom, the same way. She's both of them tough as nails.

Tough as nails. Both of them raised me tough. And they raised you with like, oh, the hard work and the work ethic, you know. I think a lot of it, I was just to say I was never the best athlete in the room, but no, I wouldn't let anybody outwork me. I put in my time, I put in my work,

I did everything I needed to do, I got prepared. And just let them fly. Let them fly. We'll be right back after this quick break. Let's score the game. This is a segment where we score the game. We name the game. These are some names that we came up with.

If you have a name, you could throw it out there. We were going to go Liddell versus Couture 2, chapter 2, the Naturals disaster, the Iceman Cometh,man's revenge revenge is best served cold The fight that saved the UFC or is there something else? You know, um, I Think natural disasters the funny let's go the naturals disaster Yeah, but now that all those are pretty good actually Which one do you which one do you want to pick? I mean if I was gonna do I'd be the Iceman Comet

I guess let's do it of it the Iceman Cometh the Iceman Cometh score the game Is this the greatest game of all time? Let's score it Chuck stakes zero to ten Decimals, okay the stakes of this specific UFC 52 fight, the stakes. All right, what was that stake? For me, like that was, I mean, my chance at a shot, my shot at a title, I don't think I would've got another shot after that. You gotta grade it.

One to 10, decimals okay. Stakes 10, 10, the fight. I'm going to say it's a nine point five. This is not just bearing Chuck Liddell's freaking career. This was bearing like the UFC in general. Like this is the splash. You like the ultimate challenger, UFC challenger show. And I don't think it could have been any better for me.

Like coming off of the Bonner-Forest fight, the next week, pay-per-view, the biggest pay-per-view by far we've had since they bought it. And then to have that explosive finish when dominant performance And you couldn't ask for a better. I mean I think Jack at a point three at a point nine Let's go star power. You got to grade the star power of this fight You Randy couture

I think I saw Cindy Crawford in the crowd. Some celebrities in the crowd, Kevin James. Kevin James was in there. Pam Anderson. Pam Anderson's in there. Shaq, Cindy Crawford, Michael Clark Duncan. Everyone was there. Vanilla Ice. You got to grade the star power of this vice. I'll tell you a funny story about the Vanilla Ice. Please. I saw my buddy took a picture

of him on the side, was fighting, taking a fight. And then when I knocked out Randy, when I first hit him, there's a picture of the whole celebrity row with everybody in that row, like this, except for Vanilla Ice, who was doing this. So you know who your true fans are. Hey, Vanilla Ice? Iceman?

That's obviously. I was like man he was out of his chair man it was awesome. Are you tight with Ice Cube and Ice Tea as well? All ice sticks together. Orl Svartzenegger? Iceman, he is. We got to grade this star power 0 to 10. For the time I mean I

Don't know. I've gotten nine five. Yeah, that's a good. I'm gonna go eight nine. That's a that's a big-ass crowd Jack in a nine point two out of eight point five the gameplay of the fight. So how the fight actually went? You got a you have to grade the fight. It's a 10 for me. That's a 10 for Chuck. I mean, I went the way I expected it. That was the punch we wanted to knock him out with. I mean, we wanted him to just come around, give it off, and catch him. And I got him with it. I mean, anytime there's a fucking knockout, that's the best way to win.

I'm going to go with a 9. Jules with a 9. Jack with a 6.2. I had a 5.1. And I'll explain, because your side was perfect. Perfect five. And then less so on his side. So that's my explanation.

I don't know how I'm going to score it. No, no, no. You asked me. I don't know. I don't know. For me, my point went perfect for me. Yeah. Sure as hell did.

And now, lastly, we score the name of the game. The name of the game, the Iceman's cometh. Cometh. Cometh. The Iceman's cometh. The Iceman cometh. That is cometh. Iceman cometh.

That could be a little different. But we are grading that. I guess it depends on how you say it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it.

I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. I like the way he said it. Not a big reader, Chuck. We, why are you doing this? I'm not sure. Not a big reader, Chuck. Not a big reader. We gotta score it. It's also the cultural impact of this match too, and the landscape of UFC and all sports too. The score of the name. It depends on how you say it, I guess.

Well, your version, your version is a 10. I was a, I don't know, it's 8. 8. Jules, how about we go with that 8-1? 8-1. Jack had a 7.0, I had a 6.8. Where does that go? That was an 8.31.

Where does it line up in all our games and fights that puts us just behind the shrug game the 1992 NBA Finals game one Blazers versus Bulls the Jordan shrug game and just ahead of game six of the 2020 NBA Finals Lakers versus Heat Which was at eight point one seven. We just did with Jeannie bus. So that makes it the new 27th Not bad. Fuck. Yeah makes it the new 27th. Not bad. Fuck yeah. 27th on the whole thing.

The only, where's our other UFC fight? We did Khabib and McGregor, where is that? Right there, it's 33. 33. Did you guys, have you done the one with the, the Giants Super Bowl? Yeah, we did that. The Giants Super Bowl, one giant loss is-

We're a little biased here bias here is a little bit little bias I mean I don't know I I I hate this but that 18 and one chant on the way out of the stadium was pretty amazing I wasn't a patriot yet I wasn't a patriot I was still in high school Chuck looking back look I was I was out that game. Yeah, so walking out the New York fans Chanted 18 and one all the way out man. They were chanting 18 and one 18 and one

After the game I Mean they're New Yorkers. Who are you rooting for? I'm from for Stray An. Okay, okay. He's a good dude. Who? Stray An. Stray An. Yeah. Co-worker.

I give you Stray. I'll let you have Stray. I'm not gonna say anything otherwise. If he wasn't in, actually Jay used to give me tickets for the Super Bowl I wanted to go to. And like I used to give them up, like if it was Green Bay to make it

or it wasn't a team I wanted to see but I went I went out with him I mean then this was a this was allowed was a legendary Super Bowl. I mean, yeah, I'm still mad I'm still mad about the going for 16 to know because we we had a fight the same night Yeah, yeah, they had a free they had that free it crying cost us a lot of Cost me some money on pay-per-viewview So then you won you won after this game It was on every channel free because they're going for 16 as the 16 on season Yeah, and Randy Moss broke the record Tom and Randy Moss broke the record yeah against the Giants. Yep. Yep We did that game too. We did the game of same day you lose your casual fans without a doubt

Okay, the casual fans. I want to watch this way have choice I had a paper something watches watches for free everywhere and footballs and machine Yeah, I mean, that's a fucking it's a juggernaut. Don't ask basketball about Christmas Day The NFL just put a game on Christmas and it and that used to be like NBA's day and it shattered it shattered them You know, there's no there's there's no there's what is it? There's no love or something in war no lost and love no love lost and love and war Oh all fair and love all fair and love all is fair and loving fucking Chuck Liddell knows obviously That word guys here Chuck. Did we miss anything with this fight? I don't know. Not really. I have one last question.

Yeah. Okay. This whole thing. I'm sitting here and I was watching a lot of like the the stories behind this fight and the UFC and they kept on pitching like yeah, you basically get to see a sumo

like who would win a fight? Mike Tyson or Bruce Lee? You know what I mean? The real person who they should be saying Really? I want to ask you is it Chuck Norris isn't Chuck Norris supposed to be like one of the baddest motherfuckers in like real life when it came to it Chuck Norris Yeah, no, I was he was Your kickboxing fan probably. Yeah, Carl Karate guy.

He's probably, you know, he's on the movies and stuff. And Chuck's a great dude. Like I actually, funny thing is I didn't have a happy birthday thing for him. Yeah. I've been asked to do a video and I'm looking at him. I'm like, wait, let me see. I've been a fan of his.

I love being a fan of his. Let me look that up. 40 years, oh no. Am I that old? I've been a fan of his for 40, fan as let me look that up 40 years. Oh no My that'll I've been a fan has before I've been watching movies for 40 years. We've all crazy. It's crazy. It's crazy He's still around as I think they asked me to do something with his dog food and friends. It's like it's cool Thank you. Good, dude. We I think Chuck Norris should do something for Chuck Liddell's food I think Chuck Norris should do something for Chuck Liddell's food.

That's I was trying to make a Chuck Liddell Chuck Norris joke, but I'm not that smart. You didn't land it. So I had nothing. Everyone's got to go check out Chuck Liddell on social media. All of the platforms, King of Violence clothing. You're wearing a shirt right now. Wearing a shirt right now. Look at this. this thing's badass. You guys got a little anime look to it, almost. Yeah, it's awesome.

I like the cartoon. Anything else to plug, Chuck? Oh, you know, not right now. We got some other stuff coming up, but we'll wait. Dude, I appreciate you coming into the house so much, man. Thank you. Thank you, David. Man, that was an awesome episode.

Chuck, I didn't realize he was karate wrestling. Kickboxing. Kickboxing. Yeah. It's cool to get all that straightened out. The wrestler talk is always cool. Yeah. Yeah. We were looking, we couldn't get it completely confirmed.

We talked about Stephen Neil, who was at Cal State Bakerfield, won a national championship, beat Brock Lesnar in the finals. Tito Ortiz might have been teammates with him. Tito Ortiz wrestled at Cal State Bakersfield around the same time. Didn't know if he wanted to get there. OK, I mean, he's still Chuck Liddell. You don't want to piss him off.

All right. And we had a nice little hang with him after we had a great hang But still all kinds of stories told us then too. He is a legend being a top dog athlete in like 2006 2007 like pre social media pre like cameras really you could get away with some stuff Yeah, and then also how about like His kids playing against parents that like are trying to rattle up Chuck Liddell Okay, read a room Read a fucking room imagine being 12 years old and Chuck Liddell is heckling you No, but not even that it's the parents like everyone I've been I go to these soccer games

okay, you sit and you you see with other parents and stuff and Don't for a second. Tell me you didn't see Chuck Liddell don't for a second Tell me you didn't see Chuck Liddell you could see him from a mile away You see the mohawk mohawk. Yep, and his fanny pack and the way he stands and shit. That's, you know, he's probably out in the corner back over there in the fucking soccer field or the basketball gym where he's just sitting there. He's got something in his fanny pack. He's getting there and he's got his, he kind of reminded me of my dad, but you're not going to fuck with Chuck Liddell. So parents read the room. The chill Zone. Ready? It's time for the Chill Zone brought to you

by our favorite beer, Coors Light. Get Coors Light delivered straight to your door. Can you toss me one? visit CoorsLight.com slash GWN. Celebrate responsibly. Can you toss me one? let's see let's see here oh soft hands Kyler ugly finder new new computer computer is done I need one anyway all right we're to start some voicemails. Let's do some voicemails. Hey, what's up? James with names. This is Robert from, uh, California. I listen to the show every

commute, uh, I have, I work in the Bay area from Hayward. You know, I work for Pepsi and, uh, he gets always, you know, keep me entertained on myutes. I listen to you guys on the road. I watch your guys' YouTube videos. My question for Julian is, I'm always in the Redwood City area working. What do you recommend I go to eat? I like Mexican food. I like American. So, if you can recommend something for me, I'd really appreciate it. You guys roll. You just keep it up. Thank you. What's up, Robert from Hollister I know Hollister very well used to play him in Pop Warner and then also

That's up Rocky. It's right by Gilroy and that's where you should take your dirt bikes Hollister It's like it's like a it's a commute. It's a commute especially with that traffic So we appreciate you listening to our show during that commute Mexican food in Redwood City easy if you want a burrito, I'm a Chavez meat market guy. Not the one off Fifth Avenue. I, what is the other? The one right by, off of Whipple. There's a perpendicular street.

Don't go to the Fifth Avenue. Fifth Avenue one's fine. It does its justice. But it's not the original Chavez Meat Market, dad's been going there since he was like eight. We've been going to that place forever. They used to have a place called La Azteca, and this lady used to own it.

She was kind of a pretty lady, I remember, as a kid. And she knew my dad, because my dad's been going to these Mexican restaurants since he was a fucking kid. And so I remember they don't have laws techa. But if you want some street tacos, LG's, El Grein, taco, El Greit, Gurense, taco, El Grein, say, damn, I can't roll my R with my dip in right now. So, yeah, what's the burrito Chavez meat market?

Tacos, LG's, taco, El taco El Gran Se there's like four of them Those are my spots, what are you ordering there? I always just get a super burrito at Chavez So what's that guac and sour cream? No guac. I don't like walking my my burrito. Okay I like I like my burritos sour creamy. Okay. So I go, they throw in a pinto bean, rice, pico de gallo, salsa, queso. I usually go with the carne asada or pollo asado. And then they put like a pico de gallo in there with crema queso

Yeah, it's pretty good. It's like my favorite. I like that and it's got like the runny sour cream Yeah, the more of a look running summer green for Mexican food. Yeah, can't be having like some fucking what is it a? Dolls or whatever like squeezing some sour cream that you should be putting now. Are you ever like for me for burritos? I'm a big like burrito and sauce on top of every bite Yeah, you got to get the salsa verde and you put it every bite Yeah, every bite and then tacos LG's I just go they also have kind of sneaky good quesadillas where they they make the quesadilla And then they cut it up and they put lettuce sour cream in the salsa It's a it's a fucking messy case ideaadilla. In the quesadilla?

On top of it. OK, yeah, yeah. So you have to use fork and knife where you're going hands. Yeah. Me and my boy, Joe, used to snag those all the time. So is it a type of place that's cutting up, like the spackle spatulas? Yeah.

They're cutting it up with that? Oh, no. They're just cutting. So they'll grab the, this is how they do it. They grab the piece of the meat. And they used to be able to eyeball it. Now they've gotten a little too capitalistic now for my liking where they're measuring shit out.

I understand where you're going, but they used to eyeball it and then they fucking cut it right there. Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, with the butcher knife. And they pop, pop, pop, pop, pop, pop. And they get it and they put it on your burrito and they roll it nice and tight.

They used to steam the tortilla tortilla now. They've changed it Or these yeah now they have like a presser okay, but uh I'm a Chavez meat market LG's for tacos did you take us? I think you took us there when we were there years ago good Yeah, I remember being really good you like it's kind of like in the like kind of like a convenience store type of vibe Yes, yeah, yeah, it's a Mexican market. So good. Great, and they also have really good, so that's what we'll do is we'll buy a bunch of their meat there, because it's a meat market

and you can buy and you can make your own tacos. So like if I do tacos, I'll buy their meat. Some tortillas. They season it and they got like the flank steak, like the very thin, and then you cut, you put that on there and bang. You get the sides sides with it, all their salsas and stuff. Like we always do that. We cater with them a bunch.

I love Chavez Meat Market. Shit, I'm making a burrito tonight. I know. They don't have, it's different though. It's a mission style burrito. The tortillas are different, yeah. And we're mission style. Like out here, they don't put rice and beans in there.

Dude, my spot does. Which is it? Taco Gualaguetza. I got to look. I don't want to blow it put rice and beans in there do my spot does which is it taco guala guetza I really it's I don't blow it up, but on vine and Melrose and the pavilions parking lot Oh, and what they do wait wait is it wait took you that place? Yeah, but you keep on those are all the same mmm Those are all the same palette cuz there's no well I'm just telling you like I've been to the one right down the road Mine's better than yours ones. I agree with that mine's better than yours that we have the west side west side

The there's but there's the brothers one on the west side. That one's okay It's a better than that one. But when I go to those ones, so what we're what we're talking about in like Parking lots or on the side of streets in LA You'll have people at five o'clock that they just bring their freaking flat top and they make their own tacos and burritos and shit. Only one complaint for me, but I solved the complaint. I bring my own crema.

So I'll bring sour cream, because you'll order your thing and then you put your own shit on and then they roll it for you. So I'll put my shit in, I'll get my sour cream out of my pocket and I'll pour it on there and my dude always looks at me and goes, that's smart.

So you bring sour cream and then you put it in when they roll it? I put it in. See, I put the sour cream on top when I'm eating. Nah, it's kind of, I like the juices to formulate in the burrito with the sour cream. Okay. Then it becomes a creamy juice. I might have to steal that move. Yeah, it's a spectacular move.

Like it makes those, it makes, it's just, it's so much work for me to do that, I only do it like once a month. Cause like I gotta plan it out cause I get sicked out with like, if the sour cream gets too warm. Yeah, no, I understand. You know what I mean?

So, but those are, those are, those are the, those are the best around here for those kind of it's A different style brood because I have mission style burritos It's a little bit tighter the the tortilla is a little bit different gonna have sour cream rice. Yeah guac Jenner they usually have a pico to yeah in NorCal like a lot of times. They'll just put cilantro onion here I like a little tomato in there Yeah, I agree little lime juice in there the place that I go to when you get a burrito You can ask with con queso they throw the cheese down on the grill

Yeah, and they and they put this tortilla on top and yeah, I been a mole You've been a Boston fan And did you hate any Boston players teams growing up? Thanks, Jules. Have a nice day. What's up, buddy? I've been a Boston fan. I became a Boston fan right when I got drafted.

2009. I went out and bought me a Celtics hat. I went out and got me a Red Sox hat. I've always, I've never. Like on the West coast, you really didn't know about Boston all that much. I knew they were the sexy team with Kurt Schilling and those guys and like you all liked big poppy, but they were kind of like,

they were the likable team to a West coaster compared to the Yankees. I hated the Yankees. The underdog to the Yankees like Evelyn. I hated the Yankees growing up. Sick hat, loved the hat, loved the unis, but I can never wear a Yankees cap. Like even as a kid, just like I don't like the Dodgers, you know,

I'm a Bay Area kid. I don't I hate the LA Dodgers had such a sick hat, but I can't wear it. You know, I'm a SF fan. But I would say 2009 because when I got there, the Celtics just won the championship in 2008. Big three. And then I was in, I got to go to the playoffs when they were playing against the Lakers as a rookie. And I started going to basketball,

that was like the first basketball games I really went to. And the Bruins were doing good. And I became friends with a bunch of the Bruins. So I think right when I got there, I like took on the Boston thing. I was like, man, I fucking love this place. Pro city town, it's kind of like my Bay Area. And it didn't have any refute,

like it didn't refute with San Francisco. I understand, I understand. You know what I mean? It's a nice, clean, different conference or different side of the country. It's not offensive, there's no rivalries. I totally understand. But it wasn't like the Lakers or Yankees

where you just hated both of them. Because those are the great, you know what I just hated both of them because those are the greats You know what I mean? Even though this the Boston teams were the greats too, but it's a different they've always been like an underdog looking team Yeah, I understand I just bought a LA Kings shirt yesterday just because like there is no friction between them and the Penguins and they had a sick thing So it's like I understand the cross-country the cross-conference ever since that LA skate I've felt a little more part of this community yeah and and like I've looked at the Kings games now a little yeah we should go to

a they're probably in the playoffs we should go to a playoff game we should going up that'd be sick so awesome was just in town so was there any we have one last night I know there any players, Boston players you hated? I didn't hate any of the, I liked Garcia Papara. I liked how everyone said their name. Garcia Pera. What is his name? Nomar Garcia Pera. Yeah, Nomar Garcia Pera.

I just remember watching shit like, and I liked the batting gloves stuff. He'd be cooked with the fucking shot clock now. Yeah. Just cooked. And I loved Poppy. I mean, Poppy was like, I just remember in high school seeing this guy swearing at the mic

after they just won a World Series and beat the Yankees. I was like, this guy is fucking badass. Now, were there, so you must have had eyes on Tom Brady being a Bay kid playing for the Piscots, too. I liked, so I actually, even more, yeah yeah, you're refreshing me so Tom was from my area So I always I liked the paint I had no clue that that they were part of Boston though I didn't know where New England was before I got there So I got I didn't just like zero clue or just knew it was generally on fucking you know like the pregame of

Madden I would play with the Patriots after like Tom won a Super Bowl and like oh one or something Yeah, I'm like where the fuck is this place. It's like in a forest like there's no city You know what I mean? I didn't really know what New England was like that and then you know just I always rooted for Tom because He was from the like right where I grew up and he was kind of the underdog like The whole Michigan story had to play for his job. Like that was all kind of known in the Bay Yeah, and then also like Peyton Manning was the guy and everyone was hyping up him up And then Tom came and he was winning like I liked that story

Well, he he was kind of in that same like Boston Red Sox underdog in the first dynasty was in that easy to root for likeable kid You know and then the bay connection. I'm assuming would just the bay connection was everything Good question. That was a really good question young man Yeah, joe nettleman, it's your boy much you mean randy savage here You see i'm playing about the games of main studio and the good year blink you No Coming for you. You're gonna rise to the top like the cream of the crop. Yeah. I'll get you later little boy. Yeah No question, but pretty good macho. Is that just Jack too much Coors Light? We gotta just we should start picking in a post segment picking I just want to pick a macho man Randy Savage clip that I find and we just talk about it for two minutes, three minutes.

Conan O'Brien, when NBC and Universal merged years ago, when Conan O'Brien was doing the late show, whatever it used to be called, he had a Walker Texas Ranger lever and every once in a while he'd just pull the lever and it'd just be the most random, hilarious Walker Texas Ranger clip. I feel like we could do that for Macho Man. Yeah, definitely. The macho man lever. I just saw I think I saw him skiing on the Alps last week for my algorithm That's cuz you were just skiing Machu this macho mountain Right there awesome

We I'll tell you later, but there's a guest coming on that's doing a very deep cut WWE match coming up because he's a Wrestler adjacent he we just got invited to the W the AEW event in Long Beach in a couple weeks. Ooh AEW MLW Long Beach in a couple weeks. Oh AEW MLW sorry MLW Considering I was really only a WWF guy and I just had to get to WWE Anyone who did the WCW I mean, I loved Goldberg, but he was the only one from WCW and there was a couple of the other off-brand ones

Okay, I'm just telling you, I'm a one-brand guy. I'm a one-brand guy. WWF that turned into WWE. This might speak to my childhood, but when I think WWF, I do actually think the World Wildlife Federation because I had a post, a picture. It was a sticker of a panda with WWF

on my parents parents refrigerator. It's hard to believe they won. Anyway, last voicemail. Hey, Jules, my dad and I have always wondered in Super Bowl 49 at right after the Malcolm Butler interception, Michael Bennett jumps off side. But what was the play called in the huddle? Was it a QB sneak or was it something different? Thanks.

That's a great question. I think I want to say it was a QB sneak because we needed to gain some room. It was like on like six inches. You couldn't take a knee. So it was a QB sneak. We were actually tripping in the not tripping, but like on high alert, like boys, we need to execute this play. The game's not over. And, you know, thankfully, Mike jumped off sides and that was a game.

And then we had melee after melee. And then it was fucking WWF out there. So but it was fucking WWF out there. But it was a QB sneak. That's something that gets lost with that game is that after the interception, it wasn't just like confetti. There was that like balls on the six inch line. You gotta not have a safety here.

Gronk and Michael just fucking throwing haymakers. And Slater's jumping up and down. It was kinda at the point where like, I bet you at that point, I was I'm thinking now, like looking back on it, you can probably get a couple of punches and you wouldn't get suspended. Why was Slater on the field? He's because he was always in the right tight diamond kill part of the field. So that but wasn't that isn't that Neil?

I think he may have been in it as also. He would always be on there just because he would be the safety. Okay. If anything ever were to happen. If there was a fumbled snap, they somehow got it. He was like our fastest guy that could go get him. Fastest, smart.

Smart. You trust him on the field. Yeah. So we always put Slate on right tight diamond kill. Best play in football. The knee. The knee. All right, before we wrap up, let's go.

Some of you might know we've been doing YouTube premieres for for length episodes. Jackson, I'm in there. You've been in there. It's a lot of fun. This is the whole crew of people. The meme accounts in there. Shout out to Alan. And we encourage you to leave comments that we will communicate and talk about on the show. Well, here they are. Also, it's good for the algorithm to comment on the show. So anything you do to help would be great.

So here are some comments that people left in the full length episodes. Do you want me to read them? Do you want to read them? Need Danny Woodhead on the show, I agree. Where is he right now? Nebraska. He's in Nebraska?

He's probably golfing. He's a great golfer. Danny's an unbelievable golfer and he's a great dad. He's probably like, and him and his wife, they're like just a great golfer. Danny's an unbelievable golfer, and he's a great dad. He's probably like, and him and his wife, they're like just a great, they're such great Midwest people. They're probably at a soccer event right now. Isn't Nebraska Midwest?

Yeah, Nebraska's Midwest. Is Heartland different from Midwest? Yeah, I don't know, but I put the... Yeah, it's all... They're in the same. Yeah, okay. Just delightful people. He's a top person that people recommend to have on the show.

Then he would. Yeah, we need to. I think he's he adds his own shows and stuff. Yeah, I think so. He's had some stuff before. I would love to have Woody on. Give me some golfing tips. Yeah, I need a lot of them. He's the Woody is like scratch. I remember hearing about him when we were playing

and you know, he's got a lot more time on his hand to work on that shit So he's probably fucking he didn't try to qualify a couple times. I remember we tweeted for some shit He was close. I think in the US open. I don't have to double-checking that but that was Aiden Lamir 21 Thanks for that comment Drake Ancrum episodes with both McCordy's would be dope. I think that would be amazing Can you tell them apart? Yeah, easy. Easy? I can easily tell them apart.

I don't know why, but I can. When you know twins, it's actually super easy to know them apart. It's just when you don't know them that it's hard. Jason, like, in his eye area, like right here for podcasters that are listening, it's right here if you look. Like, I see it right in this area, like the eyes, a little different.

Then the shape of the head is a little different too. It's easy to notice that when they're shaved. Both big. Yeah, but shapes a little. And the voices are different too. I know the voice too. And the tones are different. The voices are different too. I know the voice too and the tones are different the tones are different Devin's an asshole tone Jason's an

Informational tone what's the difference between can you like an example of an asshole tone? I don't know Devs devs they're just they're they're fucking they'd be amazing on the show cuz there's they're just Those were the guys that spoke in front of the team. They could speak in front of people. Yeah. I love, they're really good to watch too. Yeah, they're great. At base Shaughnessy, 5-3-1-4.

Intelligence was key, intelligence was the key to New England's dynasty. All these former Pats are intelligent guys Intelligent not reading There's a fine line between those two doesn't mean you don't have a great reader to be intelligent. Yeah completely agree and me too Yeah, I mean we had pre we have it we had some smart guys yeah, I mean we had to mean, we were in class all day. And like, if you didn't do good on your test,

you got fired. So guys, you had to stick around. Guys had to be able to retain information. There's only, you know what I mean? We had a really good group of guys. There wasn't that many assholes, there wasn't many. I don't, there wasn't any really. Yeah.

Guys worked hard and that was a product of, because of our leadership, the guys at the top, the Tom Brady's, no one else thought they could. Yeah. You know, it's not cool when you roll up into the locker room with like 10 chains and fucking new, no, it's not cool when you roll up into the locker room with like 10 chains and fucking new. No, it's cool. It's when you roll up and you break down a coverage

with the quarterback that you saw in the game that he saw and create that conversation. That's fucking cool. Cause you know what that turns into? That turns into another chain. If he throws you the rock. Yeah. One of my favorite things about this show is that generally athletes and football players don't really

have the opportunity to have a long form piece of media out there. So it's like you bring all these Patriots guys, front office and players, and there's two, three hours where they can talk, and you can just talk football, and you can really dive into the intelligence of these guys. What's her name? What's the name?

Bay Shaughnessy 5 3 1. Shaughnessy, that's probably directed to to read. She's like, man, Rids Rids a lot smarter than I thought he was. Why would you say that? Jules, why would you? I don't know, because he's a running back. They probably but Rids a funny ass dude. He didn't talk that much. And that was his first podcast.

So she probably saw the Ridley episode. She said, like, man. I didn't think he was that smart, but he's pretty fucking smart Yeah, and it's like if Rids that smart. Yeah, we got to do more stuff with Fred. He was great He's got more stories to he's the best a couple more here da Jay moron I know get Jay Moron saw him escort Jeannie in the opening shot funny dude and big sports guy That was what couple weeks ago. Yeah, and we were texting back and forth and I had to travel and We got to do a pod swap for sure. He's he's definitely a funny guy I mean, he spent like 20 minutes going through like the memorabilia Everything like roasting he had a story on everything. Yeah. Yeah, we got to get him on the show and we got to do his nose ball

Got Jeannie bus before we got Tom unreal Yeah, I know pretty unreal Does the bubble championship really count? Yeah. Yeah, all the teams were there right there right you had to beat every team to win Yeah, okay last couple here World's most hated 3,000 Congrats on half a milli Chill cheers to a half a milli more we have 500,000 subscribers on YouTube. Let's fucking go. Thank you guys That's all you guys. Hell. Yeah world's most hated 3,000 subscribers on YouTube. Let's fucking go. Thank you guys. That's all you guys. Hell. Yeah

world's most hated three thousand Thanks for fucking See, I would never hate you for bringing that up Why do you think the name is world's most hated is that like I Don't know. I don't have enough life force to speculate Yeah, I like him. I like him a lot. He's not hated. Three thousand. Uh, Bissonette has joined Burr O'Shea,

Jackson Jr., Matt Light and Michael Keegan Kay as Keegan Michael Key. Keegan Michael Kay. Isn't business has now joined Burr O'Shea Jackson Jr., Matt Light and Michael Keegan Kay. But I think it's it's Jules is reading it right. It's Keegan Michael Key, right. But the comment is flipped.

So you're right. But you're wrong. You're right. They're wrong. But you're just, you know, I'm you know, I'm Ron Burgundy moment here. K, right? Key. Key. It's Key. It's Keegan-Michael Key. They have it Michael Keegan Key. Michael... Key Keegan? No, it's Keegan-Michael Key. Go see Transformers 1.

Great. Fuck. Go get a Coney Island dog. Bizz and Azz funny. Yeah, he was great. Bizz. This is just a new listener, right?. Bizz and Azz funny. Yeah, he's good. This is just a new listener, right? These are like the last couple episodes. Yeah. You gotta go get up in those weeds, bud.

Yeah. Go get the weeds and you'll see some real funny shit too. And then the last one. This is our top requested game now that we've done a lot of the Patriot Super Bowls. Got to do Fight Night at the Joe. Darren McCarty will come on for sure. Maybe Patrick Wah. We actually, fun fact, we are talking with Darren McCarty.

He wants to come on the show. It's scheduling. I also wanna be greedy and get Claude Lemieux on too. But that'll happen. That's gonna happen. Got it. We're full hockey podcasts now. Dude, you know who reached out?

I don't even know I should say this. You know who reached out? Gretzky. No. Yeah, Gretzky did. The NHL reached out. Oh, well Gretzky's bigger than the NHL I think, isn't he? Represent, what's that?

Is Gretzky bigger than the NHL? No. No. Not yet. They're like, it's Tom Brady bigger than the NFL. Yeah, the NFL. No. No, right, it's, they are, is it Tom or Bill right? You can't they are joking. It was a joke

It's funny, but but the Stanley but the NHL representing Lord Stanley Cup Lord Stanley Cup might be on this couch here soon I heard huh, we'll see We'll see let's make a cup, but if it doesn't we'll see you had fucking we had the basketball Yeah, what is that one called Larry O'Brien? We've had Larry on yeah We're about to have Stanley. Yeah, can't even get old Vinnie. We had this is what the NHL guy said we had a Larry O'Brien trophy on games with names, but we can have the Stanley Cup on games with names. Oh hockey Getting her fingernails pretty dirty there.

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