Games with Names - Wide Right with Jon Bon Jovi | Super Bowl XXV: Bills vs. Giants

Episode Date: September 10, 2024

Jon Bon Jovi is in studio! The Rock & Roll Hall of Famer was gracious enough to have us in his home to relive one of the most infamous Super Bowls of all time: Wide Right aka Super Bowl XXV. We sit down with Jon (0:48). We get go back to January of 1991 (35:09). We look back at these teams (40:20). We get into the game (49:25). We score it (1:02:02). We wrap it up by talking about Julian & Gronk throwing out the first pitch at Fenway Park (1:09:44). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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why and it's worth it. And we're doing it with the Rock and Roll Hall of Famer himself, absolute legend, Jon Bon Jovi. Wow, we f***ed up the house pretty good. And we are talking becoming friends. I know it sounds weird. Friends with Bill Belichick? Few people know that he was a closet drummer. Bill knows how to play the drums.

Well enough, yeah. He came on the road with us. We took him to Paris, and we took him to Italy, and we took him, you know, all around with us. And he was just play the drums. Well enough. Yeah. He came on the road with us. We took him to Paris, and we took him to Italy, and we took him, you know, all around with us. And he was just on the plane. What it's like being an absolute rock legend star his whole life. We always like to talk when we have an athlete on here, locker room stories.

Yeah. Any good tour story? You think I'm telling you, you're out of your f***ing mind. And then we wrap it up by throwing the first pitch at Fenway. We talk about that? Yeah. We're talking about that?

Yeah. Oh, s***. We got a story. Let's go. Let's go. Going to the Hamptons. Games with Names is a production

of iHeartRadio. January 27th, 1991. Tampa Stadium, Tampa, Florida. The Giants are living on a prayer as the Super Bowl comes down to one 47-yard field goal. But Buffalo is shot through the heart and Norwood is wanted dead or alive. Norwood. This is Wide Right.

Welcome to Games with Names. Today we are looking at Super Bowl XXV Giants vs. the Bills. The Wide Right game with Jon Bon Jovi. I think I like to call you a friend. Yeah, and me. I like to think that. You've been to this house before. I've been to this house when we talked a bunch about recovery and that's when I got a real perspective of how you treat your work. That's when I could tell you were a workaholic. Everyone sees rock star I, you know, everyone sees, you know, rock star, longevity. But when you started talking to me and I was still playing at the time about recovery, how do you recover?

And you were so interested on anything you could possibly take to bring to your routine. You know, that sounds like this dude's a bad motherfucker. Yeah. You had just found yoga. I remember you were injured you're on the sidelines i remember very well at camp yeah we really spent a lot of time talking about that and you had just found yoga and um yeah i i've gone deep on that because you know i think like a player especially a player that has a much shorter window yeah to play at that level i want to play at the highest level as long as i can

and it has to be i always use tommy as the example if you ain't tom brady i'm that's it i'm out out i'm out without a doubt you know and that's what i sort of live by yeah and you've i mean i got i got a little taste of it when you know i came here and he invited me over and we were just sat and drank i think hampton water that your son's company and uh you know it was it was awesome but uh today we are looking at super bowl 25 yeah good giants versus the bills in one sentence why did you pick this game oh my god for so many reasons this was my entree into all of my relationships in football career paths for my children i.e jesse and what became hampton water uh my 35 year almost 40 year relationship with belichick all stems from the new york giants. Yeah. And a punter by the name of Sean Landetta.

I know Sean Landetta. You do, don't you? I do because I remember he spoke to us once. I think I did a Pop Warner banquet after like my second year and Sean was there. I mean, the guy's literally at everything. You said it, not me. He's at everything.

And he's a punter. And he's a punter. You know's a punter but he was the punter of the decade in the 80s so give him credit but one night in new york city i met him at the china club did you know the old china i did not you'd heard of i've heard of the legend it was it was well after studio 54 but it was that kind of a rocking joint on a monday night rock stars athletes great looking girls you know oj dancing with your wife no exaggeration but on this fateful night in new york city um sean landetta was there and he knew that i was a giant fan and he still came over and he introduced himself he says

look i got a super bowl ring blah blah long story short he says would you ever like to come to practice now in 1988 the idea of anybody going to a practice forget about and the giants practiced basically in the parking lot of what was giant stadium now this is after the release of new jersey so not even slippery when wet but the album new jersey so we're pretty big at this point so he actually asks parcells and bill says yes so this was unheard of um mr mara was alive wellington george young the gm at the time oh much older man and they see this long-haired 29 year old kid drive up drive up in his Ferrari and park outside the practice field, which was really just blue tarps around a parking lot, you know, field, makeshift field. And they allowed me in. And the first thing that happened is Parcells yelled at me. And I went, oh, I get it. He's like my Pop Warner coach. He's like, Jesus Christ, what are you doing there?

I was like, oh, and they're like, and then oh no i get it he's he's just from jersey so i what's that mean he's just from jersey yeah yeah people yell at you that's a sign of affection yeah you know it's like people think that boston accent is is in the biting kind of wit is is mean-spirited it's not it's a term of endearment it is i always explain that to people when when people ask are people really mean in the upper northeast i'm like they're not mean they're just there's no filter and they they they really don't care about feelings but i tell you if something were to happen to you on the street they would be the first person to help you which is different than you know other you other, you know, different places.

Maybe, maybe, maybe. I mean, it's unique to us, right? Boston, New York, Philly, it's all that kind of mentality. It is. Now, is this the greatest game of all time? Well, for me, for a number of reasons, you know, I mean, A, the Giants win, B, it's the Iraq war, you know, I'm there on the sidelines, this whole tale that goes on. So during the course of that season, I earned the opportunity and the respect of Coach Parcells and befriended a young Bill Belichick and Charlie Weiss and all the guys that were there at the time. You know, the slappies, as they'd call them, you know, Charlie, and then down into Paoli

and all of the assistant coaches. Remember, Bill was a kid. He was 30-ish at the time. So I was allowed, obviously, to come on the sidelines at the home games, and that was easy. And then they'd stick you in a corner and tell you to hold a camera, hold a camera bag, i.e. that picture. Then I got allowed to come to away games,

and then I was allowed to hang out on the bench. And now Phil Simms gets hurt. So this is as the season's going on. Phil gets hurt. Host is as the season's going on phil gets hurt hostetler's coming in i remember once i was in dallas at the time it's much different era players had an 11 o'clock curfew on saturday night yeah they could go out so these guys would go and put as many kinds of alcohol into the tallest glass as humanly possible because by 11 o'clock they had to be

back for curfew now the rock stars telling them don't do this we have to play the cowboys tomorrow and we were at a place emerson walls remember emerson walls i don't um and he was he was a cowboy he was eventually a giant okay he had a bar back in dallas and so i'm in this bar telling these big men you know lt and all these guys don't drink and they're laughing at me because i want them to win against especially against the cowboys so this goes on and on we get into the playoffs i'm in san francisco i'm on the bench i'm with the team i'm allowed to go everywhere the giants were supposed to lose that playoff game they were roger craig fumbled the damn ball the i was an understand oh i go letter wasn't it

lettered marshall who tackled montana and and caused the fumble no roger craig when they were running on the clock wasn't it roger craig was it roger craig fumble i think so but there was a big hit they're about to go for a three-peat you guys packed the trucks and had sent them already that's how the story i was told that the bartolo family had actually packed the trucks and had sent them already and that's how the story i was told that the bartolo family had actually packed the trucks up and the giant shoes that is motivation so anyhow the fumble we get the ball we win the game i'm there in the locker room with the team this is unbelievably astounding but i had to earn the respect because at that time there was a guy named mc hammer oh yeah right uh and mc

hammer yeah i love mc hammer right but he went on the sidelines like he was the quarterback like he was the star of the show big sunglasses big striped pants doing his dance distracting everybody and jerry glanville was the head coach at the time me i was carrying a camera bag my hair stuffed up in a hat covered anything to even make you remotely think I was me. And that's what allowed me getting more and more and more access. So now it's Super Bowl and we're in Tampa. Phil is hurt. It is the first Iraq war.

I'm down on the sidelines pregame. There is no such thing as Under Armour or Nike compression wear. None of this stuff exists back then the new york football giants are wearing bon jovi shirts that say we believe or we gotta believe on them with the super bowl logo on one shoulder and the bon jovi logo on the other shoulder that's how like i'm in at this point so i'm down there pre-game somebody from you know some government agency comes and says you can't stay on the sideline phil sims comes over and says his pass is the same as my pass he is with us he stays here on the bench whatever government agency they said i'm sorry it's the gulf war get the hell off the sideline

okay fine now i'm crushed of course but i go up to the box i had just left whitney houston who is going to go out and sing the star spangled banner everybody knows that one right in the white beautiful tracks killed it my my jersey girl here's here's a picture of me and whitney on the sidelines i dug that up oh my god so two kids you see that hanging out we'll get you the pictures because there's me and whitney just honestly she was she was great in every way she was amazing and i have to go up to a box and they put me in this box in the third quarter we're down giants are losing somebody comes upstairs and says they want you down on the field and i'm like they want me down on the field and my wife says go you know i felt a little bad it's like well you gotta stay up and she's like what are you crazy go so i

go down quietly hung around the third quarter around mike malarkey and you know all of these uh these photographers and and you know the staff and now it's late in the fourth quarter and the kick right and so i get down to the sideline and those plastic satellite dish things some guy from the network literally grabs me throws me on the ground says hold this does he know who you are no i think it was the heat of the moment to be the moment and i'm holding the disc for reception as Norwood goes out to kick. Goes wide right. I, like everyone else, run out onto the field at the Super Bowl. Grass stains on my pants to prove it.

Wide right. Giants win. We run back into the locker room. Before the celebration, before the anything, very anything very mr mara they all said in our father before there was hoopla and hollering there was quiet first and mr young was at the door george young and he looks he sees me he goes get in here and so i was in the the locker room with the boys during the half our father before the hoopla happens then we're sitting like on the bench in the locker room oh my gosh so there's there's there's sean landetta who introduced me and that's

maddie bar the place kicker so that was the only picture i had was with those two guys but this is in the locker room at the super bowl so special special game, yeah, for all those reasons. Yeah, I mean, you've experienced some incredible highs of your life with your own career, with your children, your family. Where does this stack up in experiences being accepted by the New York football giants when you're a Jersey kid that grew up in, you're like, you know,

you're one of the flag carriers for Jersey. Yeah, absolutely. Like how, what does that moment feel like for you? Is that like up there? Most definitely. But more importantly, like we grew up giant fans in our house. We were Giants family, not a Jets family at all.

Yeah. We despised the Jets. A little more close. Yeah. Okay, we've always hated the Jets. And so we wereise a little more so like yeah okay we've always hated the jets and so we were always a giant family so meeting and befriending was one thing but realizing now that i can look back on things like that what is that 35 years ago um how chance meetings can lead to things that change your life. Had I not gone to a nightclub on a Monday night

and met the punter from the Giants, who in turn allowed me to meet these other people, who in turn led me down the path to friendships with Belichick and Parcells and all those different guys. But then wait a minute, wait a minute. If Charlie Weiss didn't take us to Notre Dame, when Jesse was a little boy, Jesse wouldn't have gone to Notre Dame. If he didn't go to ND, you know, what would he have ever been a walk on? Would he have ever been able to play football? Would he have ever come up with Hampton water? Would I have ever owned the arena team? Would

I have had tried to buy the bills? my relationships with the nfl be where they are today would i have gotten to meet you if i wasn't at the stinking lousy china club in 1988 god bless the china counter god bless the china club china club shout out are you trying to get us to go out tonight is that what you're saying let's just re-over we'll end up at some chinese restaurant by accident you'll be like what the fuck was he talking about now you you made these great relationships yeah but one of the relationships i i'm so fascinated to hear about is with your relationship with a young nerdy bill belichick who's 30 years old at the time yeah what was bill like when he's not you know looked at like the darth vader and and right it's like i've only ever seen him on the

other side even when mr craft who now is a dear dear dear friend of mine he says you don't even know the other side of bill like i only got to see Bill when he would allow me to come to camp, right? Allow me to come to the games and all the access that I had. But after the small talk and the stuff, what I saw of his professional side stopped there. Yeah. All right.

I was allowed to come to a meeting here and there, whatever. Right. But you know what? I mean, my professional relationship, the reason why I had access for so many years for so long with those people was because I knew when to leave the room. I knew. Yeah. relationship the reason why i had access for so many years for so long with those people was

because i knew when to leave the room i knew yeah i always knew to leave the room but going back to the fun young bill belichick with his first wife debbie who i knew very well back in you know the giants and then in cleveland and everywhere else where he went even to the jets he came on the road with us like few people know that he was a closet drummer and tico gave him some lessons and we bought him a kit and he was trying to learn how to play the drum bill knows how to play the drums well enough yeah did bill ever make it out to the china bar i don't think i don't know if belligerent went to the china but uh um but he would come on the road with us like especially in europe where he could come and hang for a week at a time you know and and um we were playing this massive stadiums and i had written a fan letter to mick jagger and we were playing the same stadiums as

the stones it was 95 and i said one of the bucket list items is i want to open for the stones and the response was well you're playing the same venues and certainly ain't going to pay you we're the rolling stones so i don't want any money i'm asking for one thing i want to photograph with the stones and bon jovi together and my son jesse in fact jesse was three months old at the time and the stones went yeah cool, cool. So we went. I took Bill. The Stones head of security. Oh, my God, I got to remember his name.

I can picture him. This is a sin. Was a great college football player who could have been like a Hall of Famer. And Bill saw him and immediately went over to him and said, great to see you, blah, blah, blah. Because he played with Jack Hamm and some of the great Pittsburgh Steelers. And, oh, God, I can't remember his name now. This is a sin. Was it A.D. Davis?

No. No? Okay. Bob Bender. Bob Bender. Got it. B.B. Nice recall. You said B.B. earlier, didn't you? Yeah. Bob Bender. Got it. BB. Nice recall. You said BB earlier, didn't you?

Yeah, but I was thinking Bill Belichick. Why don't we do it right? Bob Bender. Take two seconds on Bob Bender. Give him his stat. Yeah, let's go. That's fine, Bob Bender. Oh, I could pick you.

You were so big. You worked for Mick forever. And back in those days, they would more or less, you know, it's like the Stones hiring Hells Angels. They'd hire big football players. They didn't necessarily have to have a background in security. They were intimidating. And Bob Bender stayed with them forever.

Kent State? He went to Kent State? Kent State? Hold on. Well, you said Jack Hamm. I was like, Jack Lambert went to Kent State. I think so. Hold on.

I'm trying to do a little digging here. If you find a picture. Oh, wow. Big guy. That's him. Oh, guy. That's him. Oh, yeah. That's him. Ken State?

Great pull. It looks like it. Let me do some more digging here, but that's incredible. Go for it. Wow. Can't read, can't write. Did he make it to the pros or he blew his knees out? Let me double check.

I'm not seeing anything. Because I remember the conversation of Belichick seeing him and said he would have been a hall of famer. Was he a linebacker? Yep. Linebacker. Um, played at the time of Jack ham.

Yep. Jack Lambert probably. Cause Jack Lambert went to Kent state and Lambert was on that Pittsburgh team. And then I think, I think Nick Saban knew Jack Lambert and that's a reason. Uh, and Nick Saban played with Jack Lambert at 70.

And then I think, but then I'm seeing stuff that i think saban might know bender because i think saban's a big stones guy it's all intertwined because i remember when saban was with cleveland he was an assistant with bill that's when i first met him there that's incredible you know when you go to that school it's a nice little impression on folks but so belichick could now feel at home yeah and he was with us and he was backstage at the rolling stones and so then we went with him you know we took him to paris and we took him to italy and we took him you know all around with us and he was just on the plane but getting to see him now in our environment and that was all cool for those who don't believe those stories of

that warm wonderful side that i know of him is true it is true it's all true another beautiful anecdotal story is 96 he was the d coordinator at the pats pats are playing green bay in new orleans on the saturday afternoon walkthrough stadium was. I got to go to walkthrough. I walk through and Mr. Kraft comes over and he says, tell me more about your friend. Bill? Yeah, just tell me more about Bill. And I started telling him about his family life, his dislike, blah, blah, blah, blah. I don't know if it resonated or not come 2000, but it may have. Okay, I'll just leave it at that. We walked back to the hotel. it wasn't as big a hoopla in 96 as it became by 2000 and then you know all the years of the pats and all this we could walk back to the hotel so we stopped at a

bar on saturday afternoon before the fucking super bowl we had a couple of those big sugary hurricane drinks yeah yeah there was a picture on his desk until he left the office of us drunk on this curb in new orleans the day before the green bay pats super ball wow who says he's not that fun he was a lot of fun who says he's not that fun sound like fun to me so it really wasn't it wasn't bill or tom it was john bon jovi the secret sauce not at all behind no no no the patriots dynasty no the only thing that i wanted just the world to know is that belichick worked harder than anyone and he knows how to play as well as anyone yeah that's probably the bottom line i mean he's definitely he's one of the most i always tell explain to people that

he's not uh usually football coaches are old football players he's like a type of person that should be a military war general yeah right or a some kind of leader in a like a way bigger society type thing right that became a football coach i understand that you're right he should have led armies or could have led army he could have yeah or navies as i think there would he loves the navy he's a big navy i know that i know that yeah i think that that's a very good point you know i saw that you were at the brady event how fun was that oh my god that's pretty cool huh that we witnessed something that is once in a lifetime because even if those who aren't on our side of the ledger that said well joe montana terry bradshaw this one that one and i understand someday patrick mahomes there was only one tommy yeah And that day in a stadium full of people with amazing stories,

surrounded by his friends, his family, his former players, everybody there to celebrate something that you all did together and that we got to witness. And he's just still, and I get where he gets it from. Having met his mom and dad so many times and his sisters and even his kids, that's all very genuine that's tom he's one of the most genuine people that's what i always tell people you know like oh because everyone asks me like what's brady like what's he like yeah i go you could put brady in a room people that hate him by the time they leave

that room they're gonna be like damn he's fucking nicer than I thought. Oh yeah. I got to like him. Yeah. You know, cause he's a genuine guy. He looks you in his eyes when he speaks, spends real time with you. He spends real time with you. Like, and he's curious,

curious. He wants to know about other things. It's not all about him. And he, and he works and he never puts himself higher than the team. That was the most amazing, you know, leadership skill and anybody could have is that he always gave

so that the collective we would win. That's a great life lesson. How he handles himself in the media. I mean, you watch. We all know about the friction that there was for a long time. No one knew about that friction publicly. And that's a testament of a leader keeping you know like the so-called wife and husband talk at home you know what i mean and that's what he did and

yeah if he did that if you're the 53rd guy on the team you have to do that so he leads by example not just by his performance and his preparation you know it was a blessing for me to get to that. I bet. You know, to be in that. I learned so much from him just on watching him prepare or watching him get ready for work or watching him how he took care of his body or watching him, you know, before I had kids, be a father,

watching him be able to compartmentalize all these different facets of life you know it was unbelievable you know i i've said publicly and privately i mean because i think he's 46 now could be 48 48 so he's 14 15 years younger than i am and i said but i look up to him because of all those things and it it it's really a testament to who and what he is and therefore what his parents were yeah you know so that day was special i'm really really happy that i came up for it i was of course meant to sing but because of the surgery i just wasn't up for it yeah and there was no way i was going to be less than great so i was like i it's killing me

but i i can't well do you be in there was just good enough it was good it was good for me i loved we loved it we always i mean we like like john said he would be at our walkthroughs day before games and but like john also said he never brought an attention to himself when he was at our functions or our practices because he understood that we're learning right now that, hey, I got to know when I'm not supposed to be there. And that's why he had the leash that he had with our organization. Oh, yeah. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Can you tell us about your friendship with RKK? Did it start in, it started? I think it started that day in 96. He has a picture of the two of us on the field on that Saturday. No one else is in the stadium. In his office that he hangs. And I still have that t-shirt,

which happened to believe it or not be doug flutie's under uniform t-shirt you guys used to wear like real just shitty cotton t-shirts yeah that fuck they were just miserable but um anyhow rkk and i met in earnest there um i opened um gillette i think i was the first concert there and then um because of bill and and allowing me to come to practice from the time gillette was built um you know i slowly but surely befriended him and then we got closer as i bought the arena team. So by 2003 and then 2008, by then I wanted to try to save up enough nickels to make a play to get into the big boy league. And then after that,

we just got closer and closer to the point where I look at him like a big brother now or almost a father figure because he's with me and my family and i'm with him and his family a lot he's here in this home a lot and our home in palm beach a lot um but we love that and i i love knowing his boys and i knew mrs craft i knew her rather well and so you know i've been very close to him for a long time. I really look up to him.

And from a sports ownership viewpoint, one and one and one was what made that team. From my perspective and watching others, he didn't want to be on the field. He knew where to draw the line. He didn't want to play call. He didn't want to coach. He didn't want to be the GM. He trusted that bb was going to be that that guy and he could be that whatever you want to call him big brother or father to tommy he could be you know the business voice for bill if you think about how much how many coaches ran off and wrote books after their

first super bowl and were doing shaving cream commercials and car commercials and distracted from the team yeah mr craft if you think about it look back made sure that bill was taken care of so that he could only rely you know could focus on you guys winning another super ball yep you know and all of those kind of things that made one and one and one the patriots it really was the patriot without a doubt i i agree with everything you just said there, the 1-1-1. Yeah. I mean, it's a party to – it takes a team to function. And, you know, that's probably one of the greatest teams of all time when you have head coach, owner, quarterback. And that's what you need to win in this league.

Now, what did you learn from RKK as an owner when you jumped up into the owner world? Not all 32 Kings, as i refer to them are all best friends that'll surprise you yeah competitive when i was one of the um owners of a business that they had called on location the nfl had and i realized that you know the 32 Kings, they've got big egos, you know, and it's not easy. So you have to, okay, you play to win, but you're playing that all one 32nd has got to be looking out for the 32nd 32nd, you know, you're all one, right? So that was interesting to me. But I the way um when i would walk through the hallways with him he didn't care if you were the intern he wanted to know your name he he cared about

everybody that was um you know working in the venue he knew all about that and he and he talked to everybody like you're representing my family and he meant that he said that too he would say that to you you're representing my family but he meant it he meant he did you know i mean so there were so many life lessons that i learned from him and i consider him a very worldly um asset um to to mankind if you think about what he's done now with the stand Up to Hate campaign, and he was ahead of that well before October 7th. His foundation's work, you know, giving Putin a ring and not starting a world war. We want to make that a movie, by the way. You know, all his adventures and also his stamina his his lust for life i think honestly when i'm his age

i'm not gonna go hang out with jay-z and and meek i mean and energy and be curious about you know a hey meek tell me about your world tell me about your music tell me about the incarceration tell me about the streets of philadelphia you know all of that kind of stuff he's very legitimately curious as he is about what's happening with the anti-semitism and and he being cutting edge on that whether it's you know being the face of the nfl to make their business better for all of them um i i just admire the hell out of him and i i really am thrilled to call him my friend yeah that's awesome yeah speaking of putin uh how many how many rings did you get you get any you guys i do have a few i but i feel like it comes i become their the team's bitch if i

no way you're part of it bro yeah i i love those rings more than any anybody but i can't wear them. I can't even wear them when I play on the team. They're too big. I'm honored to have them. Believe me, I'm honored to have them. In fact, if you walk up the stairs there, you'll see Tommy's jersey hanging on the wall

and a Gronk jersey that they signed to the kids over the years. Dorothy got me something that is so special bb gave me his hoodie after beating the jets for his what i think it was his 250th win at the time which we both just love the idea yeah he and it was like a christmas present from my wife that we just go like that's one of one that's that's do you wear it no it's in a frame i'm just making sure you know you got the you know we got here and one of the what the only kind of advantages i would ever take at when when i'd come up and say bears i have to go in the equipment room and i would just raid the equipment room we have more pat swag here i i went up this year and the new guys are in and they said yeah yeah yeah you could take whatever you want I said take that one t-shirt and they were like no you could take whatever you want

it's okay I go yeah I know I've been coming here for 25 years I have more pad swag I don't need any more pad swag everything I own has pads or Notre Dame that's it now how many and how many Patriots games have you gone to is it and is it more than Giants games it's not necessarily that I've gone to as many but I can tell you because I I oftentimes you know I'll be on the road or I'm home or I'm something you know I don't want to get out in the way too often so I come to two to three a year. I went to camp every year until COVID from the time that Gillette opened. So that was my thing was to go to camp. And then I go to two or three games.

And I don't want to get in the way. But I've gone to London. You know, I've gone to, you know, the kooky ones, you know, the crazy away, you know, Thanksgiving or, you know, the kooky stuff. I made a point of doing that um for some reason i couldn't go to germany two years ago and i was meant to go with them um but i liked doing those things too the exotic games yeah because there would be even more fun yeah you know um there were several super bowls i didn't go to just to not get in the way

you know i just said did you not go to the indianapolis one in indy no we lost that game thanks sean you went to a thanksgiving game were you at the butt fumble game it was against the jets thursday night thanksgiving where sanchez yeah no i remember i don't know if i was at that it's thanksgiving i i maybe i got it wrong and i just played one of the thanksgiving days i could i it wasn't us against detroit we did do that yeah yeah no i did that i was in 2011 yeah i did that i did that i played that now now what do you think's tougher keeping an nfl dynasty together for 20 years or keeping a rock band together oh the dynasty the dynasty of course the dynasty who you know how do you get a guy a lot of egos and bands and stuff a lot of egos

a lot of egos on the field too and then ultimately what i find interesting is you have a different band every year you know you're always gonna have different members in the band every year if you're lucky in a real band you can keep it together or at least the core for for the entire time much like i guess the patriots did you know but um no it's it's it's virtually got to be impossible to keep a dynasty for 20 some years now maybe patrick's got something going out there if andy stays healthy i think about that too yeah it could be i mean he's a special guy. He is. And he's a really, he's got that same kind of thing about himself with Tom. He doesn't make himself bigger than the team.

I'm happy to hear that. And you can see that through how he posts on social, through how he handles media. I'm happy to hear that. I remember seeing him in the Philadelphia. Remember, we played Philly. I tore my ACL. And he hadn't even started yet.

He was backing up Alex Smith that year. Sure, poor Alex Smith. We were at a party because I didn't play. I went to this Super Bowl party in Minnesota. And he was just sitting there. And he was just a cool country bumpkin kid. Nice. And you could just tell he had that humble. You knew who he was, but he was just a cool like country bumpkin kid nice you know and you could just tell he had that you knew who he was but he was the backup he's back i didn't yeah i didn't

you met him then you realize no i didn't know who he was right right right right i was like who's this kid right right right but then i we had cross friends because cliff kingsbury and i got a close relationship with a lot of texas tech guys he went to Tech. And then we just started talking. Cliff was there. And it's really cool to see the success that he's having. Now, this is a segment where we get back in to where the game took place. And on this game, it took place January 27, 1991. And we go over pop culture stuff.

And we just kind of look what was going on. Number one movie was Home Alone. Classic. Classic. Classic. stuff and we just kind of look what was going on number one movie was home alone classic classic classic number one song the first time by surface who's that which one's that i don't really know that one very well do you know i don't know that i don't know that one either also around this time the birds ike and tina uh turner wilson pickett and how old was inducted to the hall of fame yeah cool when i was a kid we won a super bowl in 1998 pop warner super bowl huh pop warner super bowl pop warner super bowl when it went and flew out to florida did you yeah and uh it's when we came home we made like this little like picture highlight thing and my dad loved tina turner

simply the best and that was like the theme of the team oh right on like you're simply the best yeah yeah yeah it's a great song great song it's a great song bon jovi's miracle was on charts you got a golden globe for blades of glory i did in young guns too how was that you still i remember you were weren't you in a couple military movies too i did 12 movies yeah when i went to the set of young guns um emilio estevez who i had met the year prior wanted to use wanted dead or alive in young guns and i loved young guns the first one and um he invited me out to meet him and i said let me write you something unique to the film give me the script and I thought to myself oh my god there's all the lyrics to all the songs I found this so easy but exciting because it was a different way to do the same thing yeah you know I was like write a song

but write it for a movie I went oh I like this so I write an entire album. And wins the Globe. I'm nominated for an Oscar. Sondheim, you know, the great Stephen Sondheim, won the Oscar. But Miracle was on that album. That was a top 10 single. So I had hit songs for the soundtrack, which led me then to go home. And again, probably not unlike meeting Sean Landetta in the China Club, I went to this movie set.

I write them a song. And I went, I should take acting lessons. This looks fun. like meeting sean landetta in the china club i went to this movie set i write them a song and i went i should take acting lessons this looks fun yeah because these guys who were playing cowboys and learning to ride a horse and shoot a gun next movie they're in they were driving race cars i went these are cool hobbies they're learning while they're doing their craft we don't do fuck all sing play sing play and from 20 to 30, that's what I did. And I was at the top of my game. But burnout can happen when you're just on a treadmill of that, doing it even at that high level. I decided to take acting lessons and it led me into a

bunch of movies. It gave you a great sense of humility because you were starting over again in something in the arts and you were at the top of your game at your day job. So that was very, very, very helpful for us to continue to grow in the nineties because I can go back to the band and go, let me tell you about humility. We're not that all being powerful because we write these hit songs. You wait in the waiting room for an hour and a half just to get an audition to be told you suck. I just did my first audition. I felt that.

It's terrible. Bro, I thought you had it. I thought you had it. It's hard to do a sex scene with another guy on the Zoom. What was life like for Bon Jovi in 91? You know, when you're you know when you're doing that you're sitting there you're auditioning the guy they want to see um over here doing it to a guy yeah and a zoom no less yeah uh 91 what you guys are at the top we were you know at slippery

explodes it's the biggest record of the year it's you know wanted dead or alive you're living on a prayer you could have a bad name new jersey comes out it's got five top 10 singles on it young guns comes out it's got all these movies and you know awards and more hit singles on it we were invincible yeah uh and we were really burned out we were exhausted mentally and physically exhausted yeah i can understand that because it felt like i'd always have the super bowl saddies after when you're at the highest of the highs wow because as soon as you were done with the super bowl and the parade and your little tour of doing the shows and this and that you realize you got to reinvent yourself and do it again and it's going to be 10 times harder the next year wow so like i'd always get sad after a super bowl

because you hit it yeah and then afterwards you're like now we gotta go do it again yeah and it's so hard to even get to that specific once you know what i mean so yeah we always like to talk when we have an athlete on here locker room stories yeah uh what's some tour story we got any any good tour story if i were to ever write a biography it would be called The Best Time I Never Had. Because you think I'm telling you, you're out of your fucking mind. But I can jokingly say, yeah, I used to be me.

Hey, that was a good story. All right, Jackie, let's break down these buffalo bills again in this game these bills 13 and three number one scoring offense in the nfl high flying uh coached by marv levy ted marchabrota the man that gave bill belichick his first job in the nfl was the oc that's right walt cory was the dc bruce smith balled out this year defensive player of the year bruce smith yeah 19 sacks uh and yeah that's also at a top 10 defense high flying offense and that k gun was really the story of this team was they were they were favored weren't they they all they're favored by seven points and shout out to jim kelly thurman thomas andre they had they had some guys

he's in the hall oh yeah yep jim kelly of course but it was bruce smith was the talk on the street he's the new lt he's the new lt to which i definitely have the footage here it was given to me of me saying on some news program but he's the new lt what do you why do you need new we've got the real thing there you go right. That's right, baby. Who, of course, as we all know, is Belichick's favorite player. His son. We still hear about.

I still see him blowing up a TE guard pool thing. I mean, it's crazy. I love him. Now, you got into it a little when you said you almost bought the Buffalo Bills. Yep. Did you like that team? No. When you were looking into buying it, did you kind of live that Buffalo life? Did you go and see the city?

How did that all come about? This was very, I'm going to be careful what I say. Because, no, I wasn't a Buffalo Bill fan. No, no, I wasn't a Buffalo Bill fan. No, no, no. It was an opportunity with a great organization that we had, I had two other partners, and they own every other team in Toronto. So they were very busy being the face of the baseball, basketball, hockey, and everything else in Toronto. So I was actually going to be the managing partner and had enough money to be the managing partner. So this was carefully orchestrated.

And what I love about Western New York is my mom and her family were brought up in Western Pennsylvania. The similarity of the working class background that I completely understood, the idea that this was a very good football team that you know was really closely identified with the community and I thought that what I was doing philanthropically would tie into that naturally I thought as a younger guy I really had a different vision of what we could bring to the league and it was instant that we could bring to the bills even a higher level of i'm going to be careful how i

say it um opportunity because these guys owned the raptors and the Maple Leafs and the Blue Jays. And so we immediately could have had bigger deals. Let's just say that. You know, bigger deals. We could have done bigger deals. Naming rights deals. There's no Fortune 500 companies. There was opportunity.

They needed a new stadium. We had a way to do it. We knew how we could do it. When it didn't work out, and it didn't work out, it didn't work out i have to say and i will say probably for the first time ever um not because i wouldn't but because i hadn't had the opportunity i think the bakula family have done an incredible job they uh i really like the coach i like the quarterback i like that he got a new stadium being built finally because that stadium was a disrepair decade ago i mean it was the oldest

place left right wasn't it built in that the coliseum is they were up there it was old old orchard stole a you know that light stole a stool from they're finally getting they're probably chasing them still for it because they they didn't you know they didn't they needed it but um it it really was it was an opportunity and i think the pagula family obviously owning the sabers was a natural fit so we didn't get the chance to counter bid let's just just just leave it at that we didn't get the chance they probably didn't want you there because you're on the side of this game for the giants um amongst other things among other things all right jack let's get let's see what these giants are are about. The heck of a Giants team. 13-3, led by Bill Parcells, O.C. Ron Earnhardt, and the D.C.,

our main man, Bill Belichick. Best defense in the league, allowing just 13 points per game, and a heck of a ball control offense. Only turned the ball over 14 times all year. And we talked a little bit earlier about this coaching staff. Incredible. Al Groh, Tom Coughlin, Charlie Weiss, Romeo Crinnell, Bill. It was just a lot of guys that were going to have great careers

were in that coach's room. Yeah, yeah. And it was really a good team. You know, OJ Anderson and Haas-Stetler as a backup. He was a badass. Incredible. You know, Bavaro, right? Where's Bavaro in there?

Yeah, Bavaro, great tight endavaro in there yeah we're our great tight end great tight end you know so we had some receivers we had a great running back we had a hell of a defense we had leadership whether it was uh phil or then hoss we had a great coach he was he was unique as a talent for the new york, which was also important. You know, he was the right guy for the time. He was the right guy for the time. He was unique at the time too. He was one of one. Now we'd be remiss if we didn't ask,

we got a couple LT stories. We've all heard an LT story. How crazy was that guy to be around when he was in his heydays prime, probably coming out of a a club right into game day i've heard stories you know um i wasn't in the club uh no china bar for him no if he was at the china club i i would have been the one trying to get him to go home but yeah you know yeah there was there were stories that i'd heard even that so-and-so claims to have been with him,

and now he was on the field like X hours later. I know. Yeah, I've heard the stories too. How was he? He's a charming guy. I've never- He was very kind to me. He was always very kind to me. Yeah. Yeah. Whenever I saw him, LT was LT. And he also knew he was lt he was a handsome man he was a great personality he knew how cool he was on the field i mean he he was always cool he was just cool lt was cool carl banks was cool leonard marshall was cool i'm looking at these guys from afar across this room and i can still remember all their names pepper johnson you know they were great pap pap oh you

know who of course went on to with the Pats and the Browns and everywhere where Pepper went. So I had relationships with a whole bunch of these guys, and it was just great. Thank God to the punter. Shout out to the teamers, baby. Come on, Sean Landetta. That's right.

What's it like playing at Giant Stadium for you when it was old Giant Stadium? That had to be pretty cool. Oh, it was a thrill of a lifetime lifetime the first time we played there in 89 um we'd gotten big enough to now play stadiums and i thought if my career is over because every athlete or rock star thinks this is the one and then you know they're gonna find a new one or they're gonna find out that i don't deserve to be here there's always an insecurity in that back definitely you know you got to work harder but i remember taking pictures in that old giant stadium and i loved the old giant stadium and then um when they were tearing it down

um an agreement was made that bruce would close it and we would open met life and so he did and he wrote wrecking ball and we played four nights to open the new one and i was in that locker room before the team were in it because we literally opened the building and they said you could use our dressing room as your dressing room but the band can't be in the dressing in the locker room and i was like oh that's a big piece of room for one guy you know i wanted to go like just hang in the head coach's office that was more more than enough dressing room. But it was brand new, and we opened MetLife and, you know, played, I don't know, six, seven times or since. Wow.

Yeah. Now, Jack, let's get to the game lead-up. All right. This was best on best, number one offense, number one defense. Buffalo beat Miami and the Raiders. The Giants beat Chicago and then went out to SF and beat your Niners, Jules. Sorry about that. I used to talk about that with bill all the time in like the lunch line or something in the calf like fucking roger craig didn't fumble that ball we would add three pete

on you he goes niners are soft you gotta just hit him i can hear that you know how's jules's bill impression just hit him they're timing fucking Fucking Bill. Oh, my goodness. And then we would be remiss if we did not bring back up Whitney Houston's Star Spangled Banner performance right before. Top five all time. All time. No doubt. Right up there with Marvin Gaye.

No doubt. At the All-Star Game down in Houston. Oh, that was so dope. She was just a force. She was so beautiful and so talented. Yeah, did you watch that? I watched that movie i shouldn't have watched it i didn't like it no i don't want to see that kind of yeah it's sad

do we get into the game here real quick yeah let's get into the game all right this was a battle a clash of styles really ball control first run and gun so to start this thing off uh we get three to three in the first we're trading field goals here and then uh the giants get down 12 to 3 or 10 3 sorry about that then a safety weird safety in the second but right before the half a huge drive to get back to 12 to 10 cut that lead and these drives in the first quarter were just these long long methodical drives of ball control. I mean, you got a drive of 14 plays. Eating the clock.

Eating the clock. That's exactly what they were. Eating the clock big. But it was looking like Buffalo in the first half, which was bad. It's because John was in the box at that time. Yeah. But that long drive right before half was huge. Bill Parcells credits that to really like forcing them into the locker room

and turning the tides there. So it's 12-10 at the half. Then moving into the second. They start with the third. Who's the halftime show for? That was just going to say the same thing. New Kids on the Block. Was it?

It was New Kids. Who's your dream halftime show? There were some great ones. Think about Prince. All time. Yeah. It was raining that night. Unbelievable.

Prince. U2 down in. It was raining that night. Unbelievable. Prince. U2 down in New Orleans was one of mine. The California thing recently was pretty cool. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It was really good. Really good. Really, really good. Yeah, I like that one.

That was one of my favorites. That was good. Bruce, of course, was really good. Michael Jackson. Michael Jackson, really good. I mean, Janet Jackson getting her thing taken off with JT. Oh, that was all time. He gets in the wrong situation all too often.

Speaking of the Hamptons, tough time. Welcome to the Hamptons. The New Kids. I didn't know that trivia. Crazy. One of my first CDs, I think, was New Kids in the Black and Ace of Bass. Nice. That was slapping.

We already had all the Bon Jovi stuff. Oh, you know Angie had that. Oh, my goodness. We had our friend Rafa come in here. Seriously. Mom. Speaking of Super Bowl trivia, I think Bon Jovi is the only band to play the Super Bowl post-game show.

That is true. We'd never play the actual halftime show. And the story there was the only time that I wanted it and I didn't get it was in Dallas. And then when they wanted us to do New Jersey, I said, no, it's just too obvious. I don't want to do it. So we pulled out from even considering it at that time.

But the only one I wanted was Dallas, and I didn't get it. So I just haven't wanted it since. I feel getting into this game where does it this defense has to rank top five all time yeah you think so about it wow yeah what do you think well i don't know i don't know if i'm that good at my stats to be honest i'd be remiss if i bullshitted my way through that but i do remember we were known as a defensive squad, and it was Belichick. It was Belichick's coming out party. Yeah.

You know, all his experience led him to working under Parcells and the Giants, and we were known for our defense. Man, Coach Bill, Super Bowl 96, old JBJ just over there. Hurricanes, True story. I wish I could find that picture. It was on his desk until he left the office. Man. I have it somewhere, but not in this house.

What's it like being the Jersey kid that's pretty much, you were the mascot for the team. Yeah. They loved you. To see that wide right kick. Oh, my God. On the sideline. I wouldn't wash the jeans that had the grass stains from me being on the field when i was holding that still have them for years and years

i think i do yeah i think i do i had to be just i have every other thing my ticket stub my my sideline pass the jacket that i was wearing the whole thing was in yeah because we've just archived everything and it was in the documentary i very well have those jeans yeah and you kind of walked us through beat for beat. You were holding the satellite thing while this thing was going, right? Yeah, absolutely true. And so are you throwing – you run the field, you throw a thing. Yeah.

And that's when the – do you guys celebrate? You celebrate with the team? Well, then the game wasn't over, remember. Yeah. The game wasn't over. So we had to – everybody run back to your position, plus I don't want to be outed and yelled at and thrown off you can get in any trouble get a 15-yard penalty so you know the it's all in you can see this in nfl films so then they all run off you know they win the super bowl

we're all elated and go back into that locker room when mr young let me in and i got to be in there you know and to to share in that moment then with them as well that was ridiculous that was unheard of that was just beyond beyond beyond beyond and for a family of of giant fans um you know to go home and tell my father my uncle those stories they were like blown away wow you know it was the first time ever, I think, Parcells got carried off in a defensive court. Now, I think Buddy got carried off, too. Did he? That makes sense.

I think he did, too. He did. But Bill got carried off this game, too. There you go. Well, the world knew who he was. Amen. And the Giants go on to win 20-19 after Norwood misses that 47-yarder, and the rest go on to win 20 to 19 after norwood misses that 47 yarder and the rest

is history yep the rest is history bill gets the browns head coach kaufman goes to boston college then gets back to the giants amen i visited with kaufman when he was a giant so i almost left when i was a free agent i sat there you didn't. His face was always red. He's intense. He's just an intense guy. You're in a tight ship. Now, when the Giants played the Pats in a Super Bowl. Stayed home.

You're not going for. Oh, I was a Pat. You're a Pat? Nice. But I would have been run out of New Jersey. So I stayed home both times. Oh, and we were a house divided. And so much so that, and this is all on the shrink's couch.

Our youngest child, Romeo, who's now 20 years old and at the University of Miami, he doesn't like football. Ask him why. He says, because daddy would scream at the TV every Sunday to the point where he was traumatized. And that Super Bowl, he was, that poor where he was traumatized and that super bowl he was that poor baby he's still traumatized he's like football fuck football i don't want oh kid yeah i ruined that one but the other three are fully indoctrinated and i was home

rooting for the pats so i just said if i ever want to you know live in new jersey again i can't go to the games so i couldn't go to those. I did not go to those. Wow. We were home rooting for the Pats. And we got to mention, Buffalo has still not won a Super Bowl. They would go on to lose three straight.

This was their closest one. All the others were 10 plus point deficits. That's crushing. That is. That is crushing. It's tough on the whole city. You've seen that documentary and all that stuff. Yeah, it's tough. Yeah, brutal. You never know if you're gonna get back again and then uh bill

parcells retired briefly due to health issues and uh would take over the new england job a few years later yeah and that's how i went up there and looked around the first time you know so wherever they went i went i love so people would ask me like what what brought you there and when i explained to giant fans they said the pates you know what what what what what and i said wait a minute my blue is so deep that wherever they went i went and even the most die hard giant fan goes oh i get that i said you know wherever belichick went wherever parcells went i could go you know and i could be you know i could see what that organization was like and how they operated within it i wasn't going to become you know a cleveland brown fan but i

wasn't going to root against him because my guy was there yeah you know i went to dallas this is a cute story i went to dallas with our group that was about to buy the Philadelphia Soul when the hype around the Arena League was enough that I went down and I wanted to buy a franchise in Philly. So I get to Dallas to meet, you know, the devil, Jerry. I'm going to walk into Jerry Jones' office, right? And I go there, and Parcells is the head coach and I get off the plane and we get in a white van and we go to the offices of the, of the Dallas Cowboys.

And we're waiting and we're there with Jerry Jr. And Steven and, and shy Anderson, who was the son-in-law married to Charlotte at the time. And we're sitting there and the parties are there and in walks Jerry. And he's a great salesman and he's telling us about you know these are my super bowls and we're gonna have arena bowl and the arena bowl is gonna be on nbc and i think it's a good idea for you to do this and and and he's giving me all the hype about you know and maybe you come here and you'll like the dallas cowboys and i let me tell you something we're from new jersey We don't like the Dallas Cowboys. We don't like anything. Do it, Dallas Cowboys.

And now we're busting some balls. In walks my buddy, Parcells. I go, what are you doing here? He goes, I'm getting paid. What are you doing here? So now we're enjoying busting each other's butts a bit. Jerry does the coolest thing ever. He takes our white van that's going to take

us back to the airport and he sends it away and up rolls the dallas cowboy bus and he goes here's your ride back to the airport i go over my fucking dead body now out of a leather satchel because i thought this there's i open up this leather satchel and in it is a game day jersey of Michael Strahan that I pull out like garlic to a vampire, and I go, back off, Jones, back off. The first time I meet him. That's incredible. And I pull it up and back off, back off,

and I'm not getting on that bus. True story. Oh, Jerry Jones. Great man. He is. I mean, he's a pioneer. A great great man and so parcells where i would go and i would you know i ran into him there i went to cleveland when he was there then parcells goes to new england and he takes bb up with him now i'm introduced to new england i go i like this

one they go to the jets i'm like i don't like this one yeah but i to the Jets. I'm like, I don't like this one. Yeah. But I was the one that got Parcells to allow Oliver Stone because the league wouldn't work with him on any given Sunday. And I says, I can help you meet my friend if you'll give me the chance to audition for your movie. He fucked me. He didn't give me the fucking role. Which role? of who it was the doctor playing uh i i guess matthew modine i think yeah the role i remember him he's kind of i read with james

woods i did a great job and fuck all of us yeah but you're not an asshole kim put you there that guy's kind of an asshole didn't he over fuck the players a little bit because he he put lt out too early yeah there's some kind of like i wanted to be in that movie and i'm the one that got him to jets camp when the league wouldn't allow him anywhere and i'm the one that got him to fuck him but anyhow whenever parcells went anywhere i uh i too uh and then belichick and then belichick was up at new eng England and that was it. We'll be right back after this quick break. Hey, I'm Gianna Pradente.

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Listen to Inner Cosmos with David Eagleman on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's name the game. It's one. There's only one name. We usually go with the guests and we talk about what is the greatest game of all time. Well, no, no. The name of the game is wide right we name the game then we score the game is this the greatest game of all time let's score it but i do want to hear if you have an opinion of what the greatest game of all time well i want to go back to atlanta yeah that is 28-3 that was

a crazy game i did not lose faith i knew at 28-3 there was something going on. I just felt it at halftime. I remember texting back with RKK at halftime and going, this ain't over. I don't know why, but there was a calm about the Pats. It was a calm. I just wasn't buying it. We went in that game with three keys. Can't turn the ball over.

Have to score in the red area, and you got to do well on third down. We didn't do any of those in the first half. But we were driving the ball. We had a turnover when we got across a 50 tom had a pick six and like the fringe which they were doing some stuff but we were driving the football so you had a bunch of mentally tough men that were able to you know stay focused stay focused that's that's a hard thing that catch jules that catch was, baby. I don't think I could do it again. It's a luck catch. You did it when it mattered most.

It's a luck catch. You're damn right. It's because of the yoga. Let's score this back. The yoga. There it is. All right, how am I going to score? I don't want to go first.

What do you mean the stakes? Zero to 10. Decimal is okay. The stakes of this game. So we've already done this game with Tom Papa, so we're redoing it because it's worthy uh the previous score is 8.31 and the previous rank was 18th position of our greatest games of all time i'm not gonna be good at this the stakes i mean this was buffalo's

first time at the super bowl so the stakes weren't high for them it was our second but what what was the stakes i mean it was it was the first gulf war it was but it was bb was a kid it was our second but what what was the stakes i mean it was it was the first gulf war it was but it was bb was a kid it was a they weren't going to lose their jobs still the super stakes were high you know it just you wanted to it was new york versus new york i mean zero to ten decimals okay i'm gonna say it's a seven wow Wow. That's a real integrity type score. That's an integrity score. Okay. Pro score. That's an integrity type score. Jules had nine.

Jack had 9.1. Anytime Super Bowl, I'm hitting nine figure on stakes because, I mean, it's a Super Bowl. Okay. You're right. It's win or go home. But what I'm trying to say is you're going to lose your job or it's something like that because these are young men still. You may not lose your job, but if you win the game,

the opportunities that you get because you always go down as a champion. It wasn't life or death like Laird Hamilton riding that wave. We let Laird Hamilton talk about the millennial wave. That's life or death. Star power, 0 to 10. The stars in the building, whitney houston yeah you're there yeah the players yeah i would rate that high i would rate that high and it was beautiful floor well it wasn't miami but it was tampa it was the the i think there was a great sense of patriotism a great

sense of pride um there were enough stars there, that's for sure. And guys on the field, you know, I'll give that 8.5. 8.5. Maybe even 9. I might take that back. Give me a 9. Give him a 9. Jules had an 8.4.

Jack had a 5. Jack. What is wrong with me? I had an 8. What is wrong with me? Jack, what happened there? It was in L.A. I don't know.

It was in Miami, but I'm going to, because of the Gulf War. Jack was hating on New York sports. I think it's Tampa. Tampa wasn't l.a it wasn't miami but i'm gonna because of the gulf yeah i guess jack was hating on new york i think it's tampa i got tampa wasn't miami yeah yeah yeah the gameplay of the game zero to ten decimals okay the entirety of the entire gameplay as a viewer as someone who played it as anything what is your score to the gameplay of this game? Yeah, because we had the – we controlled the ball. I'm going to give a high mark here too. I'd say a nine. Nine. Had the ball for over 40 minutes.

I mean, we're still talking about one play from this game 35 years ago. Ending on a missed kick. Not great gameplay. And the name and giving a number to the name. You got to name it again. that's 10 that's a 10 when you say it everybody knows yeah now where does it go are re-scored for hold on audio listeners jules had an 8.3 for gameplay jack had a 5.5 i had a 7.6 tom had a 7 and then for uh name jack jules had an 8.9 jack had a 9.5 i had a 9.1. And Tom Papa had a 9. What is the new score?

It's an 8.41. And that moves it up. It was at 18. It moves it up two spots to beat the Bush push. The Bush push 2005. Notre Dame, USC. I'll do anything to upset USC good. And just behind the double pass, the Ravens-Patriots 2014

divisional round game. Double comeback. Yeah. Great game. That's a good spot. That's a really good spot. Man. John, this was a blast.

Did we miss anything? Thank you for being here. This was fun. Thanks for having us. No, thank you, man. It's been an absolute pleasure. You've always... Thanks to you.

Thanks to you, buddy. You made me feel like we're friends we are friends thank you bud even though you did you know what then i walk up to this prick at the field and i said jules i tried to call you about doing this up at gillette i think you changed your number he went yeah and he walked away and he didn't give me his phone number i went okay was that me you big time no big time me he was in a mood he was heckling number i have here he had maybe a little bit of something to sip somewhere else that i maybe probably sipping on some grandpa's old cough medicine and a little devil's lettuce but i don't know it's okay you were heckling pretty good he did man. Man. I probably didn't.

This is not your current phone number. It just changed. No, it is. No, no. Oh, it did. No, it just changed. And he just handed my phone back to me. He didn't give me the new number this time either. He did it again.

He did it again. See? Nice friend. Oh, my goodness. Johnny Big Time. Oh, my God. I have Tommy's phone number, but I don't have Julian's. No, no, no.

Oh, Jules Big Timer. See? I got Belichick's number. I don't have Jules' number. Wait up. Wait up. Let me change this. I have Crash's number, but I don't have Julian's number.

Let me just change the spelling of this name. Oh, did I even spell it? Oh! No, this is awesome. Oh, my gosh. Now, don't you have that uh foundation sorry about that yeah the soul foundation the soul foundation where you cook yes dorothea created the most amazing restaurant some oh my god i don't even know how many years ago of closer to 12 or 14 now and the model is that there are no prices on the menu if you can and you want to affect

change directly you leave a suggested donation that pays for your meal and the meal of someone else in need and you'll never consider so take it out of your mind's eye that this is like institutionalized food on a plastic tray it's farm to table gorgeous menus um three course meal and if you can't afford to pay no one will ever know that you can't, you volunteer. Now, if any of us were in that restaurant on any given day and you didn't volunteer, you sort of feel like you're missing out on the party because what it makes the wheel go around is that people participate in the model and therefore it's communal. And so we created this gorgeous environment where people come, the people who are in need are being taken care of, but they feel empowered. Why? Because they volunteered for their meal. If a kid comes in,

and let's just take a teenager, I don't know, comes in and he says, I want to volunteer. We'll tell you, come back and bring your whole family. And we feed the whole family. Now the sense of pride that that little young teenager has because he could feed mom and dad and the siblings in this gorgeous farm to table setting. It's been amazing. We have four of them. Two that are, you know, in places in New Jersey and two that are on college campuses. Because once again, you know, if you think about all those kids at college that are eating ramen, but it's not because it's sexy and cool. It's because they don't have any money left you know ford you know and uh and so we started one at rutgers and we have another

one at jersey city university so we have four of these restaurants that we currently um are making a difference in new jersey but always looking for you know to shorten the line and unfortunately that's never going to happen because people are in need these days and it's it's not easy but it's it's we don't need a scientist to find the cure so the jbj soul kitchen if you're interested in volunteering or coming to check one of them out or donating the jbj soul kitchen.org wow the jbj soul kitchen incredible you're awesome dude i appreciate you letting us do this it's you know It's an absolute pleasure. You're such a kind spirit. You have a really good soul, and you work your balls off,

and that's why you're Jon Bon Jovi. I appreciate that. Thank you, Joe. Thanks for letting us come. Happy you're here, man. Man, that was a great episode. He's so nice. I can't believe we, we pulled it off.

We had unbelievable all timer guests. Yeah. And the hospitality, hospitality, welcome. I mean, the Rose, the Rose,

the Rose, the Rose, the Rose. Well, thanks again to John. What a great, great, great,

great time. We had on a beautiful labor day. We just became Hampton's guys. I think Hampton. I'm an, I'm a, I'm a Cape Cod I think. Hampton? I'm a Cape Cod guy. Yeah, that's right. I'm a Cape Cod guy. I'm going to Chatham.

I'm going to the Chatham Bar. And we threw the first pitch at Fenway. Fenway Park. It was weak. Mine was weak. You went a little high. I went high. But you know what? Your batting practice was good. Batting practice was all right. I, it was weak. Mine was weak. You went a little high. I went high, but you know what?

Your batting practice was good. Batting practice was all right. I dented the board, put a couple of dents on the monster. I can get the trajectory. And you know, we, we had this pitch machine that just didn't write it.

I need, I need an old fat, like guy that knows how to throw BP, like a 55 mile an hour in a uniform right down the pipe. I need Butterfield. I need fucking Brian or what? guy that knows how to throw BP. Like a 55-mile-an-hour meatball right down the pipe. I need Butterfield. Fooled you. I need fucking Brian, or was my guy Butterfield?

I think so, right? Brian Butterfield? Yeah. Yeah. Fucking, I need Butter. Heard a couple oohs and ahs from the Jays, though. They're like, ooh, wow. They like the launch angle.

They like the hand speed. Launch angle? I didn't have it. I was hitting too many line drives. I mean, you're getting on gronk did all right gronk did good yeah he threw a strike gronk threw a cd and looked like randy johnson on the fucking mount i felt like i was next to randy johnson unit yeah big piece i mean unit thanks for the red socks that was awesome that was amazing thank you red socks that was so fun got to the one of the coolest parts was playing catch right before we went out to do it on the

field in a in a nice twilight stadium golden hour it was the golden hour it's a beautiful and the grass i felt like like that as a little kid that played baseball i mean that was like so fun that was the best part so fun people in the stands had a jersey on fucking whipping the ball around benny the jet did have the white beater on i should have wore i had some benny the pf fire joints the rebox look good though rebox the real question is how many fenway franks you put down one put a fenway frank only did one respectable. Respectable. I hate the Sunday guy. The Sunday. The Sunday chart cart or cart.

Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. You took him up on that? Yeah. Oh, out of the little plastic helmet? Out of the plastic helmet. Makes it 10 times better. Yeah.

If I had a question in the comment box or maybe concern, maybe a hot fudge. No hot fudge? No hot fudge. What? That's a calling card of all Sundays. Otherwise, it's just ice cream. Is it even a Sunday without a hot fudge no hot fudge no hot fudge what that's a calling card of all sundays otherwise it's just ice cream sunday yeah i get the nuts and bananas i got the jimmies i got the nuts yeah i put a little gummy bears on there oh that's gummy bears lily did it once with like mint chip ice cream i'm like this is disgusting lily's wow for that and then i tried it it was actually pretty good it's like mustard on watermelon.

Oh my goodness gracious. But that was fun. That was a fun experience. Thanks to John. That was amazing. That was incredible. And that's been another episode of Games With Names. Subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to podcasts.

Comment a game you want us to do. And remember, rate and review. Remember to follow Games With Names on YouTube, Instagram, X tiktok and snapchat leave a message on the hotline those have been so fun the number to that is 424-291-2290 we will see you guys next week games with names and production of iHeartRadio. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Carrie Champion, and this is Season 4 of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry.

Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. Every great player needs a foil. I know I'll go down in history. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's sports. Listen to the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. On the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Listen to Let's Talk Offline on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I'm Keri Champion, and this is season four of Naked Sports. Up first, I explore the making of a rivalry. Kaitlyn Clark versus Angel Reese. People are talking about women's basketball just because of one single game. Clark and Reese have changed the way we consume women's basketball. And on this new season, we'll cover all things sports and culture.

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