Games with Names - “Wide Right” with Tom Papa | Super Bowl XXV: Bills vs. Giants

Episode Date: January 16, 2024

We’ve got comedian and Giants fan, Tom Papa in studio to relive one of the best Super Bowls of all time: "Wide Right."  Tom joins us on the couch (2:40). We head back to January of 1991 (36:58). Then we dive into this game and run through the rosters (44:26). We give this one a score (1:15:13). Finally, we look back at some of the most heartbreaking field goal misses in football history (1:21:53). Support the show: http://www.gameswithnames.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Then I'm in the bathroom on YouTube How do you add fractions with different bottoms? We are covering Super Bowl XXV The Buffalo Bills versus the legendary New York Giants Yeah, this was a stacked team You ever perform in Buffalo? Yeah. What are your thoughts on the city?

I didn't go back. This game, watching my tiny apartment on this tiny TV, it's just so memorable. And it reminded me of every Super Bowl I was in. Touchdown, Buffalo! It seemed like this was going to be Buffalo's night. It gets down all the way to the last kick. No one was in their seat.

We were just lying on the ground, holding each other, not looking. Just so insane. We're going to lose. Like, there's no part of you that thinks he's going to miss it. No good. Wide right. Games with Names is a production of iHeartRadio. Welcome to Games with Names presented by Winbet.

On today's episode, we are talking Super Bowl XXV. That is right, folks. And I'm not saying that is right. That is wide right. The wide right game with the Giants versus the Buffalo Bills. And we speak with old Tom Papa. It was good to get his perspective. Lifelong Giants fan. Had some awesome stories. We get into his New York sports fandom.

We get into his old green room stories with Jerry Seinfeld, the guy who may have put him under his arm. I think so. He said he rode those coattails to the top. He said he rode them to the top. Can have put him under his arm? I think so. He said he rode those coattails to the top. He said he rode them to the top. Can't blame him there. To the tippity-tippity top. Not a bad set of coattails to ride.

And you can't talk New York Giants without talking Lawrence Taylor. Okay, he has some LT stories in there. And then we wrap it up with breaking down the most heartbreaking missed field goals of all time top five list top five top five make sure you check out games with names on youtube instagram x snapchat and tiktok at games with names subscribe subscribe on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, wherever you listen to your podcasts, comment a game you want us to do. And remember, rate and review. Call us now. We can call us 424-291-2290.

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The New York football giants are leading the Bills 20-19. With eight seconds left, Scott Norwood lines up for the 47-yard kick. This is Wide Rise. Bum bum bum. EA Sports. That was awesome. Welcome to

Games with Names presented by Wynn Bett. Today we have Tom Papa in studio. Legendary comedian. I'm a huge fan his latest book we're all in it together so make room is out now he's the host of serious xms what a joke and catch him on a tour in a city near you tom thanks for coming to the studio thanks for having me it's great to be here no and i gotta introduce you to jack and kyler they're're part of our show. Tom, what's up? Hey, kids. Nice to see you.

They're the ones that keep this thing going. You know, what are you up to these days? Oh, I'm just coming home after the tour. It was, I went really, really hard from all year, but particularly like September through right now, just slamming everywhere how many shows oh man you know i never add it up yeah because uh that's my kind of my philosophy in life don't do the math yeah don't add up how many more days you're gonna see your parents don't add up how

many times you're on the road i on my website i have a map and it puts a little dots of where i'm going i don't even like seeing that yeah I just like to knock them off as they come. But from September until now, every weekend, and then a bunch of dates in between during the weeks. So it's been great. I'm playing all these great theaters, and it's been amazing. But it's good to be home. That life's got to be tough.

I mean, I became real close with sam moreau and we did our first season together of games with names yeah and and scheduling for yeah with a comedian who's full-time and that's part of your guys job that's your reps that's how you guys prepare for when you're getting your big shit and i i've kind of learned that through sam yeah i mean he would go every night to the cellar. I know. And then he would go do the tour thing. Yeah. And that's a tough way of living, man. You guys really got to love it or you got to be fucked up in the head.

One of the two. One of the two. Yeah. You got to treat it. You got to treat it with respect. Because actually when I was kind of really starting to go on tour, I was having that conversation with my uncle. Yeah. starting to go on tour uh i was having that conversation with my uncle yeah and he said a thing which i always kept which is you have to treat this like an athlete yeah like you really

have to do all the things get your sleep get your exercise eat right you can't just go out there then there are guys that do it they just drink after shows and do whatever and it's like that'll kill you so i really just kind of took it really seriously and it's uh in some way the travel's hard but what a blessing like you're in this room with people and everyone's just laughing every single night it's pretty fortunate i mean it's it's it's a way of catching your high you know like a comedian loves to get that laugh athlete loves the high of competing and why we're here we're here to talk about one of the most legendary competitions in the national football league that springboarded us so many stories and coaches and like livelihoods of the game And it's the matchup of Super Bowl XXV between the Buffalo Bills.

And what number was this on theirs? Is this number four? This was the one. This kicked off the losing streak. This kicked off. The Buffalo Bills versus the legendary New York Jets, LT New York Jets. Wide right.

Bill Pelar sells New York Jets. Giants. New York Giants Wide right Bill Parcells New York Jets Giants New York Giants What are we doing? Giants That's like Bizarro World It technically was true with Parcells He was a New York Jet

Yeah, he didn't go Bavaro didn't go No, but we are doing the Wide Right game Why'd you pick this game, Tom? Why are we going this route? I am a Gi giants fan which is very tough to say right now uh in this current year i was tommy devito i yeah it is pretty great it is so great it actually is kind of interesting like when we'll get into it i'm sure but

hofstetler who filled in for ph Phil Simms and takes them to this victory. He's kind of a DeVito kind of a guy. He's like, you know, got knocked around. He's just a sub. And then he just finds himself in this crazy fortunate position. Literally. So I love the giant sub. I was out of school.

I grew up in New Jersey. I went to school in New Jersey. And this is even before i was a comedian i think this is like 91 or 92 and i graduated in 90 so i'm living in an apartment with my girlfriend and i'm a giants fan we went to school in like central jersey where it was all eagle fans and giant fans so we're all like scrapping and all just like it was it was all Eagle fans and Giant fans. So we were all scrapping. It was such prime time for watching football. And this game, watching in my tiny apartment on this tiny TV with my buddies, a couple season ticket holders,

it's just so memorable. It's so insane. Because as a Giant fan, every team that we've had, even the ones that win the Super Bowl, they have talented guys and whatever, but they're always something a little off. They're always a little ragtag. They're like, are they going to make it?

It almost feels like we shouldn't be getting as far as we are each time. I mean, the Tomlin Super Bowl, he was on the hot seat before both the seasons. Literally, both times. It was like a dumpster fire, and then they got hot. Yeah, and then they got hot out of nowhere. And then they get that toughness. I mean, there's something about the New York football giants that when they turn it on and they got it going especially with

these Parcells teams yeah you know like they had a formula of how to win and it was displayed in this game especially yeah tough defense control the game eat the clock eat the clock I mean backup quarterback use the run game use the players around us that we know what their strengths are and not put them in a bind by trying to fucking let's not go five wide and throw and you know we can't win that way yeah this is this is a cool game because it was like that tough defense versus that run and shoot style offense that the bills were running at that time. Yeah, I mean, the Bills were, I mean, Kelly was so legit. Thomas, right? Yeah.

Oh, my God. Monster. Like, they seemed like the army that was going to win it, and the Giants are like, maybe something will happen and we'll win it. And the Giants kind of sneaked into this one, beating my San Francisco. San Francisco, right? 49ers on that fumble by Roger Craig. Yeah.

We were at a three-peat. We were going for three-peat. We were going for the three-peat. 14-2. 14-2. And I would always bring that up to Belichick. Oh, really? Like in the cafeteria line or something.

When I gained some courage to talk to him. Like, Bill, man, you know Roger Craig don't fumble that ball. We'd have three in a row. Those are fucking Niners. You guys are a fat ass team. All you gotta do is hit them. He'd get all so fat. He's still mad.

I'm like, it's 2016, dude. You guys won. You won it. All right? How long did it take you to be able to do that with him? Seven years

and two Superdome. No, but this is gonna be a fun game to jump in jump into yeah so it's remarkable when you look at sorry to cut you off but it's remarkable when you look at the game in this era yeah it looks so different oh it was they just i mean the body types are different they're just kind of, they look like guys that like, like truck drivers that happen to play football. You know what I mean? Like, yeah, I mean, the information, the resources and just the technology of, you know, and the money.

Yeah. You know, money makes everything crazier. And with this huge, this huge beast they call the NFL, I mean, it's just a bigger and bigger product. And guys learn from these guys. And then, like I always tell people, it was like folklore to hear about what Jerry Rice did as a trainer, how he would train in the offseason.

You heard about it. You didn't know exactly what it is. Yeah. Nowadays, you can go anywhere at the tip of your fingertips. You watch your favorite football player chain you can watch right you know so like you get these little gym rats these little guys yeah they make themselves little you know it's how it naturally goes yeah you're all sport it's just everything's rising everything's rising amazing now how did you start your fandom with with the new york football giants i mean jersey guy jersey guy you're in mid-Jersey?

I was north Jersey. North Jersey, so you're near the city. Near the city, about a half hour outside the city. And in that area, I'm a Yankee fan. My grandfather grew up in Hoboken during the Mickey Mantle, the era. So he got me into the Yankees. Yeah. And I don't know if that's the thing that makes you go this way,

but the way it works in the New York metropolitan area is it's Yankees, Giants, Yankees, Giants, Rangers. Yeah. Mets, Jets on the other side. Yeah. The Long Island guys, that side of new york mets jets and i so i was yankees giants and just love them forever uh i went to one jet game with my father at shea stadium at the old shea stadium and we had to drive like from new jersey through

the city to shea and sit up in the nosebleed and watch the jets and uh and they were terrible and we drove home and both my father and i were like we'll never do this again and uh and my uh my family like my father and my grandparents and my mother, they all grew up just about 10 miles from Giant Stadium, like Clifton, New Jersey, that whole area. So that was just deep, deep inside all of us. And then, so I'm in high school watching Lawrence Taylor. LT. And Phil Simms and all the, I mean, it was just,

and LT lived in the town that I went to high school. Yeah. So it was just like legend, legendary status. We had no idea. Did you ever see anything? No, you just. Did you hear anything? I mean, the town talks.

Yeah, like he would just, it wasn't, we weren't getting any of the dark stuff. Oh, but you wanted to. That came out later. You thought about you. Were you, that didn't come out that wasn't out there yet? No, that wasn't out there no that wasn't out there yet not for us like if i was like a 12 year old and lt lived on my block i'd sit like see if he was bringing it what he was doing yeah yeah like like people would see him like you know just stopping in at stores or stuff like that but he was so crazy dominant yeah it was

just just knowing that he lived in the same town was like, all of us walked around like we were LT. You know what I mean? Like it was really so intense. And then my, my football coach, uh, in high school, he got to work on the staff of the giants. Uh, so for when, like I was a freshman and, uh, he always told this, this great story. I was a freshman. And he always told this great story. He was a great coach, Falado. He was this really just gregarious Italian guy, and we all just loved him. He was just super cool.

And he was working on the staff during the summer at the Giants. And he came in, and he was just all upset with himself. And we're like, Coach, what's the matter? What's going on? He goes, oh, it was terrible. Because Parcells lived in the same area as LT. I think he lived in our town or one town over. And they're having the meeting, and they're doing all the stuff and working.

And my coach, when you're around someone famous, and you kind of freak out and you just blurt something out, he was just like, if you ever need a ride home i i coach up up right in your town and parcells looked at him and goes a ride home and just like looked away and my coach you know your football coach is like he's like a god right so my god is just being destroyed by a bigger God I mean I can only imagine those like those New Yorkers and those like those little borough city people in this Jersey people they love the Giants oh they they cherish anything those people do and everything part of

themselves what do you think i need a fucking ride home what do you my coach was like oh i can see him i don't really know him but i can see him doing that just through how i know bill and i've seen them interact so i can see how they you know smart ass well how would you describe your football career um i was a new york giant when i was in like the league before high school and uh we had all the giant colors and the giant scavis uniforms and stuff like that i was uh i'm the same size i was the same size in sixth grade that i am now oh so you're a beast so i was was, yeah, so I was, for a while, I was a beast. And so I started out on the line. My father was a really good player.

He went to Clifton High School back in the day where, like, the pictures are insane. It's like 5,000 people for a high school game, all in hats. And my father's very tough. And he took them to state championship a couple of times. And he just like dominant like strong strong guy so he coached me my whole life yeah so from kindergarten through high school tough coach he was tough on you he wouldn't he not yeah he was tough but he wasn't like the coaches that get like abusive like grab your face mask that was my dad yeah yeah he would just be more like he had this quiet intensity so like he just came up and was like what are you doing you'd be like uh you know you'd shake yeah uh he didn't have to like really go after you your dad did that he would i mean was he a coach for you the whole time i coached my

whole life yeah he it was i mean there there's some funny documented stuff out there. Oh, really? Yeah. No, my dad was just very tough on me. And I was like a wild kid. And I was a very, if you challenged me, I was going to challenge you back. Yeah, yeah. And I wanted to prove him wrong.

And he knew how to handle me. I needed to be handled like that. Right, right. So he was tough on me. Yeah. You know, and then. You had to be broken down a little bit. He had to break me. I needed to be handled like that. Right, right. So he was tough on me. Yeah. You know, and then. You had to be broken down a little bit. He had to break me.

Yeah, yeah. He had to break me, but he never did. I charged him out on him once when we were doing BP before a game. Oh, really? Yeah. He threw at me because I was dipping my shoulder. And he threw at me and he hit me. Like, I jumped up and hit my ankle.

I threw my bat down. I went and charged him. He hit me once. Oh, really? Yeah, he hit me and I was on the down. I went and charged him. He hit me once. Oh, really? Yeah, he hit me, and I was on the ground. I'm trying to headbutt him and stuff. Oh, that's great. I think I had the opposite.

My father wanted me to be more like you. My father wanted me to be more intense, and I was also the class clown. I was a good athlete, but I was also the class clown. I was too, though. Oh, you were? I thought it was yeah uh but i yeah so it's cool though i mean overall did you think the experience of having your dad coach you all those years was i wouldn't be where i'm at without it yeah you know i mean it was different time different generation he had no one to learn from his he didn't really have a dad so like yeah that's what he thought was right making it up yeah and you know like yeah it was tough but i had a great life yeah my dad's a hard worker great

example and it's the best yeah it's a cool thing like when you know everyone's there on the team but your dad's there yeah it was pretty it was the worst the worst yeah they'd be like your dad they'd be like your dad is a coach i was like yeah he can go home and hit me if I don't have a good practice. Yeah, you guys get to go home. You guys can only run laps. You guys get to go eat with normal people. We'll be right back after this quick break. Wake up with football every morning and listen to my new podcast,

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or wherever you get your podcasts. Now, you play some sports, and you're an athlete, and like you said, you're a class clown. When did you know you were a stand-up comic? When did you know you were a comedian? When were you going to pursue that? Like seventh grade. Seventh gonna pursue that like seventh grade seven yeah like seventh grade i got uh you just loved the laugh made you i loved i was funny i was always funny yeah and then seventh grade was when i found

out that it was a job for adults yeah that's like when i learned about steve martin and george carlin i was like oh my man like grown, this is their job. Yeah. So at that point, I was just like, I'm going to do that. Yeah. I just knew it. I just knew I'm going after that. So everything kind of went that way. But I was an athlete, too. So, you know, I just I played like crazy.

And I was also really funny. I was just kind of I remember a guy on the line,e melendez who were out there and i'm running the warm-up and i'm getting in people's face because they're just kind of slacking and you know i was the captain and i'm yelling at everybody to i'm yelling at my friend joe to get his shit together and he's like i'm sorry i just you got to give me a minute to adjust you were just making us laughing until i was crying in the locker room and now you're my boss you know what i mean give me a minute to shift gears here but what's his name joe melendez melendez it's called fucking leadership okay you got to get them on their high you got to cut them down when they're low you're that's right so i but so i always knew and i like i said i was this

this size so i had pretty decent high school. I ran fullback, but I knew that was it. My father wanted me to play Division III, but I was done. I knew I was going to be a comedian, so I went to a school that didn't have football, but had theater. What school? Rider.

Where is that? In Jersey. Mid-Jersey, you said. Mid-Jersey. Mid-Jersey. You're with your... Yeah, with all the Eagle fans. Yeah, and Rider, I always say,

its distinction is that it's down the road from Princeton. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's not the best school, but it was good to me. And they had a theater department and no football, so I went there to get my degree. Princeton?

It's like the birthplace of football. isn't it princeton yale i think you're right first football game ever was it rutgers rutgers rutgers rutgers and princeton princeton rutgers the first football game ever wow wow i didn't know rutgers was that old so you went go to Ryder any did you did you have any other comedians with you? No. You're the only one there? Yeah. Anyone else in the class or how does that work in like you were there to study? Communications the the agreement was that I would get a degree. Yeah. And I think it was it was smart because I you know meet a lot of comedians that don't know how to make a phone call.

You know what I mean? It was a good deal. And I just dove into the theater. I was just in all the plays. And I just took up all my athletic stuff went into theater. So I was just going balls out, getting the leads in the plays and doing whatever I could. And then as soon as I graduated, I went to New York.

Or I lived in Jersey with my girlfriend during this game and then moved closer to the city and then started doing open mics and stuff. And then that was it. On June 12, 1993 was my first stand-up spot. Yeah. Wow. That's fucking awesome. You get up, you stand-up spot. Yeah. That's fucking awesome. You see, you just get up.

You're done with school. Yeah. Got some good parts. Got some experience. Got to meet some good people. Hone down some skills. All right. I'm going to New York City.

Let's fucking try it out. Let's go do it. Let's go do it. Yeah. You got to have some faith in yourself like anyone that has a good story all right i mean all the i i've been blessed and fortunate to meet so many different people in so many different fields yeah and it's about taking that shot yeah you know and and believing in yourself that is the common thing that goes into all the stories.

They're in different ways, but it's always good to hear that. But looking back and you tell the story, it seems like, okay, and then I went for it, but once the idea gets in your brain, it's just you. You don't even think of it, right? I'm making $5 a night doing stand-up in the beginning. I thought it was the greatest thing ever. Yeah. Like, now this version, thinking back on that, is like, how did you survive?

Yeah, it puts you in perspective. Yeah. For sure. Just because you know what it took to get to where you're at. Yeah. Yeah. You know, all those little things. Yeah.

But it's almost like you can't stop it like it what you were that you had to be that yeah and i also i'm very thankful because a lot of people you know like my passion just so happened to like go with my talent uh-huh you know a lot of people have a passion for something but they don't they're not necessarily in that something their talent field or or yeah they're talented at something but they don't they're not necessarily in that something their talent field or or yeah they're talented at something but they don't love it you know and that's you know that's the tough you know that's tough yeah you know yeah they never find it they never find it you're on a search for something yeah so so how did at what age were you like oh i'm just not gonna give this up i i was in a different situation where i was always like having to prove

myself uh-huh like i always thought i was the best dude on the field and i always like i literally thought that oh anytime i stepped on a field but like it was always oh there's this guy and then you're not that big right and i always ball out there's always an excuse for why there was someone else and like so it kind of manipulated my mind not to think of like the future future. I was like always so focused on like, fuck that. You're always working at what was on your plate. And every step of the way, you know, there was something like that.

You know, I wasn't good enough to play college quarterback. This didn't have a position in the pros. So there's always something that like tricked my mind and into like competition mode yeah where you thought about it but it gave you a a direction to go right just knocking them out as you go along trying yeah you know you get knocked out a lot more than you knock them out no you're out in new york you're out fresh out of college and you're hitting these clubs life is great probably dating new york 90s probably crazy fun when did when did you first have like your first break or or like where someone saw you or you met a friend or you're in a comedy club with someone

and and they you know like there's always that one thing yeah the where like that's when you started really making it yeah it's uh i always say that my biggest break was when i met seinfeld yeah yeah he he came into the clubs after his show was done, and there was this one two-night period where I was on stage when he came to check. He came back, and he was just checking out the scene before he went up again. He was just checking out the club and seeing what it was all about, and I was on stage two nights in a row. I saw him walk in while I was on stage. You could see through the window at Stand Up New York on the Upper West Side.

I saw him come in, and like the second night i was like i threw new stuff to show him that i had other stuff yeah and i came off and he was like you're really funny i was like and uh we just started a conversation at the bar and i grabbed onto his coattails and didn't let go. And when he was he was so huge at that moment and him giving me his endorsement just made everybody else. Oh, yeah. Let's take another look at Tom. Yeah, because at the time I was like trying to break into late night I was I had some little stuff but I was like hadn't really broken through and the validation I got from other people from from his endorsement and also then he took me on tour with him just I just soaked it in like a sponge he was he the way that I worked. He wasn't a comedian that was just getting high and drinking. I wrote all the time.

I was really dedicated to this craft of it. But it wasn't until I met him that it validated that my way of working was a way to work. So I learned how to carry yourself as a comedian, as a man. I just got so much from him uh that that was really the biggest break what makes him what makes seinfeld so special what are what are some of the things that he may have taught you as a lesson or or some of the things you just picked up like because you said you prepare like him yeah like what are like me being around tom brady like i learned on how to take care like without him saying shit right if you just if you if you're

fortunate enough to be around someone who's succeeding in your your field you could just pick things up and i would take like how he would take care of his body you know compartmentalizing like life and yeah you know profession like. Like there are little things you, what were some of the things you learned from Cypher? What made him special? Yeah. It's, there's so much. I mean, they're not there. They're not trying to teach you, but if you want to learn,

you just hang around these guys and you really start picking it all up. Like if I allow you to hang around, they're teaching you. That's, that's kind of how it is. Yeah. Yeah. Good point. That's what I always, that's how I, when like a stud, because I would always try to, I always hung around the studs of the team

or other players when there's like training areas in the offseason. I'd see where Larry Fitzgerald was. I wanted to be around him. I wanted to see what the fuck he was doing. Yeah, exactly. Larry Fitzgerald, I have a funny quick story. Yeah, what do you got? I got to play in the All-star game

For Major League Baseball You know they do the Celebrity and old timers I guess So I got to play on the softball team And I had this TV show at the time And I got to do it and we played in Arizona And I'm in the

Outfield and I'm freaking out You know I don't really play Baseball but I'm in the outfield and I'm freaking out. You know, I don't really play baseball, but I'm in my little uniform that Bernie Williams' locker was next to mine and I'm all like freaked out. And Fitzgerald gets up and smacks one right to me and I come running in and I catch it and I'm like so excited and the whole place boos me because it's his hometown. I'm like, yes.

Boo. Seeing that ball come off a bat when you haven't seen it in a while and having to judge it. That little thing. You're probably so, yeah, I got it. I did it. Oh. Yeah, it was crazy. So that's a great way to put it, though.

If they let you hang around it really is so i learned the biggest thing was that i learned that comedy is this you're funny and it's so kind of it's kind of like this wild bull it's like what is this thing like you just kind of like get up and guys people do it in a lot of different ways and the thing i learned from him was that no this is a craft and you can get better at it but you got to work your ass off to get better at it and you got to really dedicate the time and put it in and write all the time and get up on stage all the time and go back to work and we're not here to hang out and chase girls and get drunk We're here to get good. So this is all about writing, dedicating yourself to this

craft. And that if you take care of that craft, it's going to take care of you. And that was the biggest lesson. Like, because I would, you know, I did write that way. And but it was kind of like scattershot. I would, I would write and then not write and then just see what happens on stage and once I kind of got that from him and saw like what little changes I mean he had he was you know one of the biggest stars in the world at the time and he's sitting there like spending a whole day on changing a sentence you know it was uh it was a huge lesson and it calmed me down, too. For the craft, that was the biggest thing I learned from him. Just watching him, just watching these guys.

Everything's calculated. They're trying to get control of every aspect of their life, the way they treat their family, when you go home, how much you mess around during the day you know like it was all that little stuff how you treat people all of it i just i just took it all in professional yeah a pro's pro pro's pro a hundred percent a hundred percent that's that's honestly that i remember i went in the locker room one time and, or my agent said, you know,

don't be heard, be seen. You know, like don't, don't be heard. Just be seen. And just try to collect as much as you can from the guys that are in there the longest. Yeah.

You know, and that's, and it goes a long way. And nowadays you know i don't know how young comics are but young athletes you know it's it's a completely different ball game yeah you know they've had a million followers since they were 15 years old and they did a backflip in the end zone their high school game yeah and it's on social you know what i mean so guys come in naturally like they think there's something yeah when like everyone did that in this locker room right right exactly and nobody did nobody you know it's it's kind of it and i'm sure it's like that for every older

generation with the new generation but yeah getting back to who are some of the younger comedians that you know you let hang around you or you you you kind of saw and and maybe you've helped yeah it's uh it's a lot it becomes that thing where like you don't and it's funny like when you we talk about those guys weren't out to teach us like yeah i wasn't really but i was like hey do you want to open for me and just taking them around and And then there's this guy, Stavros Halkias. You know Stavros? Yeah. You love Stavros? We love Stavros.

We just watched him. He opened for me. I was one of the first guys to take him on the road. I just found him at this little Maryland club. I was just doing clubs at the time. And they sent me a tape, a YouTube link link or whatever to check out this chubby little guy from baltimore and uh i took him under my wing and i just he just did my radio show yesterday awesome and uh he was talking about how much i helped him you know during that time and it's

so funny because i i just loved him i just thought he was funny. I met my family, spent Father's Day with me and my dad once. And he was just a super talented guy who I like to be around. And in my mind, he went from opening for me. And then, I don't know, three years later, he's on Netflix. And he's like, dude, that was 12 years ago. Like, he quietly was hammering and doing all the stuff he had to do. Some of it based off of, you know, me helping him out and showing him stuff. And, yeah, so Stavros is, like, the one I'm proud of right now. Young Bucks. That's awesome. I mean, that's – I was an asshole in the locker room,

but if I saw a kid that was really trying, really working his ass off, I had to help him out. Yeah. Because I remember being that kid. Yeah. And I needed that. And there was guys that looked out for me, and there was guys that were assholes to me. Yeah. But I was more of an accounting, I made you accountable asshole.

If you were a fucking slap dick and you thought your shit didn't stink in the fucking room, I was going to tell you, we won before you we don't need you you know right yeah so you know that's one thing that that you can always you know you retire and and your your guys's field is so much longer you guys can do it for so long but the one thing even when you guys put it down is that what you gave back to the game or the community or you know that lives that knowledge lives forever yeah you know the things that you learn and and maybe it helps a younger guy and he you know what i mean yeah it's kind of like it's kind of like your dignity to the for me it's the game for you it's the yeah yeah being you know comic yeah i mean we're all part of this whole like lineage you know it's the whole of being you know comic yeah i mean we're all part of this whole like lineage you know it's the whole thing is yeah like you're saying like the whole game like

elevating like it's all becoming you know we're all just parts of this ongoing story yeah you know and it's cool if you do things right then people still want to hear about you yeah you know as you as you are like at a different stage Your thing is so insane, though, because it's shorter, but it's so big. If you're as successful as you were, it's such this massive... Yeah, but you don't get to enjoy it. I didn't get to enjoy it as much.

No? Just because you're so in it. You're working so hard. Yeah, you're always having to get better and reinvent yourself. Right. And after you win, then it gets even harder and every time you win you just become a bigger and bigger target there's more and more film of you so you have to constantly change your game and and counter things and evolve yourself with the clock the clock of your athleticism yeah yeah you know so yeah speaking clock, let's turn back the clock,

and we got a segment where we go back to January 27, 1991, around the game, the number one movie. We talk pop culture, Home Alone. Yeah, that held up. That held up. I mean, it still holds up to this day. Yeah. My kid loves it.

Macaulay Culkin just got a star I saw recently. With Catherine O'Hara. Yeah. My kid loves it. Macaulay Culkin just got a star I saw recently. Yeah. With Catherine O'Hara. Yeah. It was cool seeing them together. Yeah, that's my daughter's favorite Christmas movie. We were talking backstage here before this. I thought it was a little bit weird it's still number one movie in America and we're in January here. That it was number one for that long. A month after Christmas, you know what I mean? Yeah. Because I always think of it as a Christmas movie. Right. When did it come out? That's a good question. It came out Novembermber 16th so it had a nice whoa 18 million dollar budget made 478 mil whoa you big horses asses that was the only guy i was young so when i heard a kid say ass. I was like, hell yeah. Joe Pesci.

Joe Pesci. I mean, Marv. Well, that was a fucking, that was awesome. Kindergarten Cop came out around this time. I mean, I loved that movie. We were just talking about that with Lily the other night. I know. My daughter was talking about Kindergarten Cop.

We saw a picture of Arnold. She goes, oh, he's a police guy in that movie. And a teacher. Dancing with the Wolves is basically avatar yeah yeah i've turned in the 80s or the 90s yeah kevin costner and then the godfather 3 oh yeah controversy is it good is it not it's not it's not yeah the gulf war started that's always nice i remember my buddy my buddy from college actually the kid who had the season tickets to the giants who i watched this game with my buddy chris he made me go to dinner with him and he was telling me, now Chris is fat and loud and not the brightest guy. And he took me to dinner to tell me that if they ask him, he's going to go fight in the Gulf War.

No military background. You can knock him over with a feather were you guys thinking draft coming maybe I wasn't he had some fantasy and he was ready to go and I was like I admired his patriotism

but I was like I think you're gonna be alright yeah dude i'm um eating fucking lobster tail right glass of wine let's go back into the sports world baseball hall of famer non-hall of famer pete rose wow he got banned yeah he got banned what's your thoughts on that i love pete rose i love pete rose too god he's so dominant what was he thinking i don't know you know what is he bored was he bored like what do you got because he probably he's such a competitor is that what it is i think so yeah that's that's a that's a sad one because he was such a fucking tenacious just just man out there i mean who fucking steals home and blows up a catcher in an All-Star game?

Charlie Hustle, baby. Charlie Hustle. NFL MVP, Joe Montana. That was my guy. I had a dog named Montana. You did? Two dogs, Dwight and Montana. Wow.

He was dominant. I mean, you probably hated him, though. I saw LT take him out. Yeah, he broke his back. I was at that game. It was in Giant Stadium. It was like the first game. Was it LT or was it someone else?

Was it an LT? I think it was, who's the other linebacker? Carson? Carl Banks? Was it Banks? I think it was Banks. I thought LT took him out. Someone broke his back, but he got folded.

Yeah. I mean, that was like the downfall of what started. Or maybe I'm confusing lt with theismann he did break theismann's leg he broke everybody yeah he was on cocaine note to self do not do drugs you ever see water boy bobby boucher comes to talk at lt's camp and he can't talk and he goes and that's why you don't do drugs. And it's coming from LT. Who's notoriously known for

what he's notoriously known for? Mountains of cocaine. And the red sweep. The A's in the World Series. Man, the A's. Oakland, you got a bad ticket. Yeah. Las Vegas, here we come. I I'm gonna change the

colors oh man yeah silver and black would be tough yeah mowing down some uh casinos to build the stadium that's I mean that's gonna be cool it would be cool I mean it's good honestly I mean baseball in Vegas is gonna be fucking awesome yeah three hours you probably gonna have a slot machine at your fucking seat yeah it's true you can play keno on the big board yeah bingo we got it all oh yeah now what was life like for you 91 you said so 91 i'm uh you were still in college yeah i'm just leaving college i'm living with my girlfriend who's still in college so we went a little north we picked a place I was working in northern New Jersey doing advertising and uh she was still going to school

so we got this little place this little tiny place and we lived together there and uh yeah I wasn't you know I think I was still acting I think I went back to school to act in something I did I did a another play and I was just kind of floundering I didn't really I didn't really know what I was still acting. I think I went back to school to act in something. I did another play, and I was just kind of floundering. I didn't really know what I was up to. And I knew I wanted to be a comedian, but I had no idea. How? I never met one. I'd never been to a comedy club.

You couldn't Google it. You couldn't Google it. Right. You couldn't YouTube it. You couldn't find anything now. Back in those in those days yeah books yeah yeah insane so i'm just kind of knocking around getting smoking weed and living with my girlfriend that's awesome yeah we'll be right back after this quick break games with names is brought to you by my friends at WinBet. WinBet is bringing the excitement of WinLasVegas and Encore Boston Harbor to online sports betting. Whether you're a recreational player or some serious handicapper, WinBet is your ticket to every exciting wager.

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Wow. The Bills, starting off with the Bills, we got Bruce Smith on the defense, one defensive player of the year this year. Set the franchise record with 19 sacks. Go Hokies. But, yep, fellow Hokie like Kyler. League's best offense as well,

so, I mean, they had it getting it done on both sides of the ball. 8-0 at home, couldn't be beat up in Buffalo. Jim Kelly, Thurman Thomas, Andre Reid, James Lofton. I mean, it was a star-studded cast that was favored to win the Super Bowl. It sounds like the Buffalo Bills of two years ago when they lost to the Chiefs because their defense was like a top-ten defense.

Yeah. That's when Dayball was still there, and they were, they were fucking, they were lighting it up. Couldn't beat them at home. Largest margin of victory of any team in the NFL this season. So,

I mean, they were, they were the odds on favorite here. Yeah. You ever perform in Buffalo? Yeah. Once. What are your thoughts on the city?

I didn't go back. That says it all. Western New York. I like Buffalo. It is good. There are good people up there. I was just in Syracuse, which is similar. Yeah.

And, you know, they don't see the sun for like nine months. No, but they're still happy. Yeah. They're not like, they're more Midwest people to me than they are East Coast. Yeah, 100%. Like it's. Yeah. Because a lot of, we used to have a lot of at kent state a lot of kids from buffalo western new york would

would come to kent state and like like these people are from like midwest it's completely different yeah any place that where the weather's that bad for that long like you have to be good people yeah you do you legit do like people in minnesota wisconsin it's like some of the greatest people you'll meet i would say lake cold people you get on them coasts yeah those cold people are pretty cold yeah yeah yeah that's a good point yeah the lake effect yeah this was a stacked team it was was wild. Dangerous. Did it, like, you think two New York teams in a Super Bowl, did it feel like a rivalry? Was that a thing then?

Uh-uh. Not really. No, that's not New York. Not my New York. I like that answer. Yeah. No, I was, yeah, because I was like, oh, man, two New York teams. Well, some would say it's only one New York team.

I would agree. Right. And one jersey team i was trying to get that going but never caught on never never let's see what the giants are looking like the giant seven pro bowlers we lost phil sims in week 15 talking about the 19 the 14 and two niners they were 13 and three i know I know, but everyone was making the Niners out to be way better. Lost Phil Simms in Week 15 against the Bills. That's when Hosteller comes in and rights the ship. Bill Belichick running the defense.

Tom Coughlin coaching the receivers. Both these guys would leave after the season. Fewest points allowed in the NFL. And, I mean, you might as well, you can talk all the names, all the pro bowlers, but it's LT's team. LT. LT.

Man, oh, man. LT's team, but Otis Anderson was a beast. Bavaro? Bavaro. Oh, my God. Just money. I mean, these guys were. I did a show.

I used to be inside the NFL with Phil Simms. Oh, yeah? Called Mr. Simms. Yeah. He's a firecracker. Yeah. He's a great dude. Some of those stories that you tell about LT.

Man. We're insane. Yeah. Yeah. What was he like in the locker room? What was – Who? LT? LT lt how are you getting ready next to that guy i heard a story i won't tell by source but i guess lt had like a snake or so he had something in his locker and he had like four watches and he had a stack of all his checks that weren't cash

shit oh really and it was like his whole It was like a season and a half. It was probably like a half a million dollars of checks that he had cashed yet. Oh, my God. That was LT. He's just a funny guy. Yeah. And, of course, this was Bill Parcells. I mean, I totally buried the lead there.

And even Tom Story also made me think of another jersey high school football coach that was on this staff a young charlie weiss young charlie weiss is a defensive assistant on this staff or just a uh coaching assistant i should say wow was he yeah pretty crazy charlie weiss there's an office in our facility called charlie's office because it was his heck yeah he left it always be was still charlie's office the the giants used to stay at the Woodcliffe Lake Hilton on their home games yeah because they didn't want everybody to stay at home right so you stay in the local hotel and the Woodcliffe Lake Hilton it's where I worked as a bus boy and uh my girlfriend uh did room service and she was a tiny little thing she was like you know five four we were in high

school yeah and uh she she did room service and she went to pepper johnson's uh room to drop off a tray and he kind of made a pass at her he is i think seven times her size he wasn't aggressive in any way it wasn't anything like really but he just like he got a little flirty with her and she was just like oh i was just hit on by a mountain old coach pep pep coached me for a couple years he did pepper johnson 6 3 250 man yeah. Yeah. Rachel was 5'4", 98 pounds. Well, it's time for the bounty wingman question. Let's do it.

Bounty is everyone's favorite wingman because you can't have football without wings, and you can't have wings without bounty. So this is our segment where because there's always such a mess when you're eating wings, you have a nice bounty paper towel. Nice. We chew on a wing. I ask you a question. And even though we're on this beautiful suede couch, we don't worry because we have bounty paper towels.

All right. You haven't eaten with me. Yeah. So we all know bounty helps clean up the messiest moments so what's your messiest moment on stage one time when i was starting out i was working a club in new jersey that's a good wing and um somebody threw a french fry at me, and it had ketchup on it. And I was a young comic. I wasn't doing that great to begin with.

And someone hit me with a french fry, and I looked down, and because it had ketchup on it, it just slowly stuck to me and slowly went down my shirt. And there's no one funny enough to come back from that. You just have to leave the stage. Don't you wish you had a bounty paper towel? Oh, my God. It's funny you say that because when it happened, that's what I was thinking.

Were you? What color shirt? White. White? Yeah. Wow. It was pretty embarrassing. Bounty and Wings, my my favorite duo and that was the bounty

wing man question jack what about we set the stage for this game all right this was a rematch of the week 15 game which the bills won knocked out phil sims so. So that was late in the season. Knocked him out. Knocked him out. Phil, the rest of the season, hated to see it. Haas-Settler comes in and leads the way after that. Buffalo's path to the Super Bowl. Beat Miami in a shootout against Dan Marino up in the snow

over there in western New York. Then they rolled the Raiders, put up 95 total points in those two games so the offense was just clicking firing on all cylinders the giants had to beat chicago and then as we alluded to earlier went out to san francisco candlestick and beat jules's niners they got that san francisco tree that fumble man that darn fumble, man. That darn fumble. Giants leaned on their power offense. Bill Parcells always preached a tough defense and a ball control power offense that could run the ball. I mean, the possession in these games was just insane.

Yeah. As we'll see in this when it's, you know, setting the Super Bowl record. 40 minutes of possession. It was great offense versus great defense. And it was the first super bowl appearance for the bills and spoiler alert it uh only got worse appearance by appearance yeah i mean i was doing research when we were watching this game and it reminded me of every super bowl i was in really i mean to a t let's try to control the clock right let's try to have possessions now

some of them that was like our game plan going into them some of them you know we played atlanta and they're fucking we're down 28 to 3 that kind of game plan goes out the door but right you know that was kind of like the blueprint yeah and i mean they executed to a t because with an explosive offense like buffalo like the only way i mean they were they were the only offense in the league, the only way you stop them is you keep them off the goddamn fucking field. Right. Just eat up the clock.

Eat up the clock. But you need to play situationally great for that to happen because you've got to do well on third downs to extend drives. You've got to do well in the red area to come away with points. And it was almost, if you look at the game, the deciding factor. If you look at the giants they bend they bend because you see all the points that the um bills got in the first half they had four four field goals that's right of your offense that's the game right there that's why they lost i mean when you have that running game you can just

and it gets stronger as the game goes on demoralizes a team yeah when you run the ball down their throat yeah demoralizes i'm on offense and if we're getting ran on yeah this is us off right you know because we want to get you out of your rhythm you want to get out there and you got a fucking 15 20 minute drive yeah that's tough i mean that it's really getting cold on the side it's insane and then we were watching before this. Bill was saying, like you probably heard a million times in Super Bowls, he was going to let Thurman Thomas do what Thurman Thomas was going to do, but they're going to take away anything deep down the field, play that cover to bring the safeties up,

and you've got to go across the middle and fight LT. And you can take a little four-yard catch, but you're going to take a pounding. Yeah. Yeah. It would dare you to catch it over the middle when you could actually kill people. Yeah. No, literally. I think I think

We saw the clip of hostile my gets like buried into the ground and he has smelling salts to like yeah Three back in there didn't even miss a serious. Yeah So there's no New York rivalry this this like New didn't feel like New York, New York, no. No. No sub-series, none of that. They're like the Raiders. Yeah, Upstate's very different from New York City. What about, what's your thoughts of Tampa Bay? This was in Tampa Bay. Second Super Bowl ever in Tampa, so.

In Tampa, yeah. No feeling at all. I'm even trying, yeah. Were you performed down there? No response Yeah a little bit Yeah Yeah

It's alright You know It's a weird place It's one of those like Tampa or Orlando You know What's the game day Smorgasbord

For a Super Bowl While you're watching this? When I'm watching this Definitely Do you remember? Definitely It was We were deep into wings

tons and tons of wings that's wings and pizza and beer that was it there was not maybe a bag of chips that was as fancy as we got what's the chip uh back then it was probably ruffles ridges okay yeah maybe some maybe some supermarket onion dip. Yeah. You know, no, you're sitting there in the first half and before the, the, the lat, the, the drive before half where the,

the giants score. Yeah. Like you guys are getting outplayed. Kind of. Yeah. So you're sitting there dipping your chip, you're ruffling in the dip and you're like, are you stressed at this point going in before that last last drive into half a hundred percent there's no there's nothing about this day

that that ever lets you off the hook and makes you feel good yeah it's always nerve-wracking it's always in the first and there was also you know going back and watching it there was that mat they you know when the break starts happening, you think the mojo's going their way. There was a couple tip balls and things that were just, it seemed like this was going to be Buffalo's night. It just seems like we're not getting any of the magic. In the back of your head, you're sitting there,

it's our backup quarterback. Oh, yeah. We don't even deserve to be here. There's no way Hofstetter's going to do it. And these guys, Kelly and Thomas, it's just like. Thomas was just. I mean, we watched an interview and Belichick was saying that they were going to let them run the ball. We didn't want them to throw the ball.

Which he's basically saying we're going to challenge them to have to put together these big drives and execute in the red area. Right. So they were cool with that, I think. Man, nerve-wracking. But there's also, though, when you watch Norwood, his first field goal kind of shanks. He makes it, but it kind of squibs to the right it does it's not like looking back you can see like there was not a lot of something was up yeah this guy was not and he was one for like

five over 40 yards or 45 yards tom you're on the money, man. Right? One for five on field goal attempts of 40 or more yards on grass fields. 40 yards. 40 or more. So, like, I did not feel that during the day. Yeah. I was not, like, confident. But looking back, like, that first kick is like, oi. Overcompensate that next one.

Yeah. That's one of those ones where you sneak to buy. Uh-huh. And then you're like, oh. And then right before the next one, you're like, I can't do that mechanic. It's kind of those ones where you you sneaked it by uh-huh and then you're like oh and then right before the next one you're like i can't do that mechanic it's kind of like that golf shot right oh yes norwood was not like a great kicker by any means so like i know uh hindsight's 2020 here and everyone gives him the rap of of being the goat but i mean he was 20 for 29 on the year 69 percent ratio how about those screw how good they were how

cool were their face masks oh bring back the single bar both kickers bring back the single bar we need a bar down low so you can see their whole face when they miss now I got the serious a real serious question it was the Whitney Houston national anthem national anthem in the history of national anthems of all time it was insane no one comes close and marvin gaye had a good one over at marvin and houston at the all-star game the all-star game was cool because he had a cool like like beat with it oh my god yeah groovy well this was stunning but this was also we're going to war yeah we were going to war and we didn't know what that meant.

And even though my buddy Chris, who's there eating wings with me, was ready to enlist, it was heightened. Yeah. And she was so beautiful, so on top of her game. She nailed it. Nailed it. Those, what do they call those? Jets?

Yeah. Airplanes? But it was like the new F-20. Yeah, the ones that couldn't be detected by radar. Oh, stealth bombers. Stealth bombers. You hadn't seen that before.

We're like, what is happening right now? Do you think that was the government kind of flexing over? Like if anyone's watching the Super Bowl, we got these cool new black things. Oh, 100%. Yeah, we're getting ready to go.

That's what I mean. Yeah, 100%. We ain ain't never seen is that the first time we see the black bombers i think so i think so let me double check here like what is that it's the death star that's crazy and she was so oh my god she was so beautiful and just killed it man so a half time new kids on the block New kids on the block. New kids on the block were there. I don't remember that. I must have been doing bong hits during that. Oh, oh, oh.

So at halftime, the Giants did the last shot kind of situation. Got it. To get that touchdown. Got it down to a one-score game. One-score game. 12-3. And then they open up the drive with a 10-minute suck off 10 minutes of the third quarter huge score touchdown go up 17 12 17 12 uh-huh take up i mean as you said eat up almost 11 minutes o'clock then buffalo comes out has a big drive to start the fourth they get up 1917 we come down kick a field goal go up 20 to 19 how

much time minutes left seven so we got time to work with at this point dom are you like because i'm like a pessimistic fan oh yeah and i'm like oh too much time we're done where are you where do you stand on yeah you're just waiting you're like they're going to kill us how are they going to do it and are we going to do it to ourselves? It's just the knee-jerk reaction. That's a Boston, New York fan. Yeah. Collaborate there.

Right? Yeah, same way. It gets down all the way to his last kick. Walk us through, step for step, if you remember how this thing went. I remember that they had this impressive drive. And Kelly, you know, a force. They started pretty deep, I believe. Yeah, I believe it started on their nine-yard line.

And they put together this drive. And I don't remember exactly what, like, the last play, putting them in position for the kick. A Thurman Thomas run got him down to about the 30 and then they had to spike it and then they had to spike it yep so how much time was on when they started the drive when they started the drive there were so we had a couple of three and outs here so there were two minutes 16 seconds yeah from their own 10 216 21. And it doesn't feel like today's 216. Like the clock got eaten up, right?

Much more quickly. It wasn't as explosive of a game. Right. Yeah, you have to play old school football and it eats up clock. Yeah, that all started like five years ago with Patrick Mahomes and Allen. Where, you know, seven seconds was too much. That's crazy. I mean, this is when you can actually hit people. Right, you know, seven seconds was too much. That's crazy. I mean, this is when you can actually hit people. Right, exactly.

Yeah, that's a huge point. You know what I mean? Yeah. So that's a two-minute drive, but they get all the way down. And, man, I just remember the players, like, praying. They just, like, huddled like giant the giants were just like on the sideline like hugging each other just nobody nobody could look and in somerville new jersey in a shitty one-bedroom apartment no one was in their seat we were just lying on the ground

holding each other not looking i mean just so insane and we're gonna lose like there's no part of you that thinks he's gonna miss it yeah there's no part you're just like oh they're making this so damn painful like he's just he's just gonna hit it and then it goes up and just oh when did you see it right away oh right Right away. It was pretty quick. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was pretty quick. It wasn't like that much. I mean, it really. Yeah. It was wide right.

It was really wide right. Just a tad outside. How? I mean, there's nothing more upsetting to watch than a kicker that blow it like that. That's sad. I feel bad for the kicker, you know. Yeah. Just because I've been around the guys. Yeah. blow it like that that's sad i feel bad for the kicker you know yeah just because you know i've

been around the guys yeah and you know they're they're usually in their own little world uh some guys don't accept them as a football player they know that yep you know they know that people think they only have one fucking job so it's kind of like one of those things where yeah you can't get mad the guy works his ass off yeah you know the operation it's crazy of like one of those things where you can't get mad at the guy. He works his ass off. Yeah. You know, the operation. It's crazy. The aftermath of this game, that kick, where it goes,

the butterfly effect four straight for Buffalo, which is completely different than what the Giants do. And they win their second Super Bowl in the franchise history. I mean, that was a spiral. That could have been it. it now let me ask you this personnel changes why do teams remain the teams like why you know what i mean like example the patriots are the patriots i mean you have eras where you're killing it, but there's still something in the DNA of a team.

Everyone's gone. Coaches have changed. Is it the building? Is it just the – what is it that still makes the Patriots the Patriots? Well, they're not that right now. I know. They're not. I mean, they're struggling now.

You got Tom Brady, and Belichick had a template, and he had the law. And Tom went out, and the best players on the team would enforce the law. Right. There was a good nucleus of guys. And then when that first team kind of got out, then there was different guys that kind of went into that area. Right. But the two constants were Tom and Bill.

Right. There's a whole lot of debate going on right now into that area right and but the one the two constants were tom and bill right you know and right there's a lot of whole lot of debate going on right about now about all that right now right but i think a lot of it was both yeah yeah it's interesting i mean up until like the giants have would have like winning years and then they would just suck and then It's a tough place to play. A lot of expectation, a lot of distraction. The media in New York is very tough. I mean, we all know. Yeah. So it's hard.

Yeah. It's not easy to win this league, and it's a quarterback league. And, I mean, this is a time where, you know, Buffalo had a really good quarterback, and the Giants did too, and he gets hurt, and they found a way. That's what depth, good defense, good situational football can do for a team. It was cool to see two different styles. It was almost the high-flyer Buffalo Bills against the dirty, nasty New York giants.

Yeah. You know, we know, you know what we're going to run. Yeah. And we know we're going to run. Yeah. The,

uh, the bill still haven't won a super bowl. Crazy. So if you're a team now, like when they're having a rough year this year, but yeah, you know, recently they've been contending.

And does the history play into it? Kind of like the Red Sox or the Cubs, like the curse kind of like you hear in the media constantly, like there's something going on. Well, for me, I wasn't a part of the first three Super Bowls or the undefeated season. I was in the second group of three. Right. So it was god it was uh you know there are different generations so right i always we always had to hear about

teddy bruski willie mcginnis fucking kevin falk troy brown and how these guys made the plays you know and and you know you go out win a super bowl and you're still hearing it well these guys did it two three so then you get competitive with it right you wanted to be you know so and, you know, you go out and win a Super Bowl and you're still hearing it. Well, these guys did it two, three. So then you get competitive with it. Right. You wanted to be, you know, so I don't know. It could steer you different ways. And, yeah, you do think about history.

It is in your head, though. You know, but, yeah, it was in our head. It was in my head. Yeah. I can't speak for everyone. Yeah. But for me, that motivated me. I wanted to be like them.

Right. You know, I was sick of hearing about them. I wanted to hear about us. Yeah. You know, because they were, I mean mean they were the first to do it yeah and it was they you know it was it's hard when everyone knows about you right everyone knows about them knows about us because of them so everyone hated us yeah no yeah you know uh parcells went on to retire after this year his first retirement that was a big fallout. And then Bill Levin going to take the Browns head coaching job,

another cursed franchise. And Tom Coughlin took over BC as a head coach. So those were kind of the big departures, brain drain from the Giants coaching staff. Well, Belichick goes to the Browns. Do you secretly wish Belichick comes back to the giants yeah i mean yeah i mean i never hated on the patriots yeah you know it was very it was very much because of him and also uh uh took some of the staff also yeah um cronnell rc yeah and love those guys yeah so you knew that

discipline that kind of like we always carried it like as giant fans like we were old school disciplined real like legit football yeah that it was up in new england i couldn't i admired it i couldn't hate on it you could always tell when we were in New York playing against the Giants he he loved the Giants yeah you could just tell I mean it was you know a huge part of his his start yeah you know how he talked about those teams how he talked about LT Pepper Johnson Phil Sims and and and the stories of all those you know like he loved the Giants yeah you know yeah they have kind of similar DNA I guess because of those guys. You know, like he loved the Giants. Yeah. You know? Yeah. They have kind of similar DNA, I guess, because of those guys.

Is this 91 defense one of the greatest of all time? The greatest of all time? Or one of the great? Everyone throws the 85 Bears. They don't really get the cred, really, if you think about it. Who, the Giants? Giants. 91 defense here.

Yeah. I mean, you just asking that question, best of all time, is like I didn't never even thought of them in that term carson was gone i think it was banks and lt yep and pep yep and steve diossi yeah i don't know man if lt is on your lt automatically makes them more uh people just think he rushed a pastor that dude did everything i mean i remember what i remember bill would throw on we would we would struggle with uh there was like this trap where they do this double pool and they still run the same damn plays you know yeah nowadays back then yeah and the defensive end is supposed to you got to set the edge but it's hard because you have two guys and they can pop through and and they can get through right so you got to really blow it up but you can't over blow it up

because they can bounce it because you're the force right or you're the you know you're the edge and if the edge is broken then there's no help and we were struggling with this so he brought back this one play of lt blew up both the fucking pullers and tackled the guy right away. Oh, my God. He's like, this is how you fucking do it. This guy, watch him. Everyone just thinks, you know what I mean? Yeah, we'll just BLT. Yeah. He's one of those guys.

Oh, my God. Now, would you rather lose three Super Bowls in a row or not make it to a Super Bowl? Not make it. I don't know. I think I got to lose three. You do? Yeah.

Well, you're a fan, not as a player. Yeah. What about as a player? As a player, you got to go. I want to go. You got to go. You got to at least play in the show. Yeah.

You may not win the show, but you got to go to the show. Yeah. See where it stacks up this is why you're a great athlete yeah and but a fan i tell jokes about my dogs because i would i'm like oh that's gonna hurt oh that's gonna hurt so much why don't we just not? Yeah. You just have it in you. You're just like, ah. But, I mean, what do you think Bill's fans say? I don't know.

They're in a tough one right now. Yeah. Jackie, we have any leftovers? We had a pretty clean episode, but we do have a leftover question that we love to throw out to everybody. Tom, we love great locker room stories. So we were wondering, do you have any great green room stories from touring with Seinfeld back in the heyday?

Uh, yeah. Uh, this was a little later and he was back playing the beacon and he's going to play the beacon. I'm going to open the beacon. And he's going to play the beacon. I'm going to open for him. And then we're going to Columbus, Ohio or something the next day. And the beacon has very small, tight, it's an old building, tight dressing rooms. You've got to take this little elevator up to each floor. So I'm there early.

And I'm in the little green room. And I'm there early, and I'm in the little green room, and I'm waiting for Jerry. And I figure out, well, it's been a while, and I haven't seen him in a bit, so I'm just going to, not a big thing, but just play a little joke that I fell asleep. He's so late that I fell asleep. So I loosen my tie and undo my belt, And I'm just kicked back on this couch. I hear the elevator coming up. And I'm just like, kind of look like I'm drooling on myself. And the elevator opens up.

And I hear Jerry go, oh. And I open my eyes. It's Jerry Seinfeld, Steve Martin, and Tom Hanks. I'm like my coach with Parcells. Need a ride? Right? I'm like, oh, hey, I'm just doing a bit. I'm just being funny.

And they're like, hey, nice to meet you. Oh, my God. You guys need a ride home? Yeah. I'm going downtown. Anybody want to share a cab? Oh, my gosh. It was pretty humiliating.

I mean, Steve Martin. I get the guy a job, and then he come in and he slay me. What's the deal with bits? Very funny, Tom. Very funny. So let's score the game. The name of the game is Wide Right. We all know it.

We used to have a play call off of it, and we used to have a sign where we'd have the picture of it, like on our tip sheets. We'd have a tip sheet before each game, give you reminders, and we used to have a play call, Wide Right, and on the reminder tip sheet it was the picture of the wide right. Oh, really? Yeah.

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Score the Game, presented by WinBet. This is a segment where we score our game and see where this specific game stands in all our games that we've done. So it's going to be a good one. Stakes, 0 to 10, decimals, okay. Score, the stakes of this game. The stakes. Can it get any higher? Can't.

No, right? No. Yeah, so whatever the max is. 10? 10. 10 for all the marbles. Yeah. We got 10.

Star power? Oh, man. Super Bowl. Super Bowl, and both sides have their stars. What do you got, Tyler? We're just throwing tens out for everything. There's different levels of Super Bowls, right? Like a back-to-back Super Bowl or like an undefeated season Super Bowl.

It's fine. It's okay. You're saying too many tens? We've been just handing out 10 we handed out a 10 to game five of a nba finals like what are we doing here right well you're well you're right i mean to his point uh ha stettler he's got to drop us a couple points he wasn't a star he was a so that stakes or is that star power because there is a star power stakes are super high i think stakes are 10 all right star power uh star power did the national anthem yeah kuwait war she yeah but she wasn't playing football was she all right 9.8. Gameplay.

Time-sucking giants against the high-flyer Buffalo Bills that couldn't score in the red area. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's kind of like when the Devils would win in the NHL. Like they were just dominant but so boring to watch. You know, is this gameplay like the game plan or the entertaining part of watching it i would say like just the gameplay of the game the top play was a missed kick by the way too just to put that in frame reference i was lean more toward entertainment value was it entertaining it was a grind it was upsetting i was tense the whole time probably smoked way too much weed

gameplay yeah it was kind of a grindy dirty game right like a seven seven so that's fair that's fair the name of the game wide right if you ask anyone wide right people know this game yeah for sure so one zero out of ten. Wide right. Where does it go? I would say ten except for your producer, so I'm going to say nine. Oh, look, Kyler. Finally, finally.

This is up there for all time. Games with names. This is an all-timer. Let's see. This is Thriller in Manila level. I love wide right. You say it, and everyone knows it. Everyone knows wide right. Where does it stack up, boys?

8.95. Now, let's see some of the games we've done with some of the people. Where does it stack up? Oh, nice. It's up there. We're right there in the fourth spot, right below the Yankees, Red Sox, 2004 ALCS. Sorry, Tom. Oof.

Was that the, yeah. That was not a rough one for a New Yorker. Oh, once the catcher's mitt went in A-Rod's face. It was over. Yeah. From there. I started thinking about football. Oh, good old Veritech. Veritech.

The captain. Verdugo's going to the Yanks. Yeah, what do you think about that? I don't like it. Man, well, I had a blast with this, Tom. So great. Did we miss anything about this game? Well, my buddy didn't have to go to war.

And he got his victory. So not only was it a great game, not only was it fun to talk about, but in a way we saved his life. In a way you did. No, we did. You and me i wasn't i i was four yeah but i'm giving you credit i'll take it you're the best do you have anything to plug other than we got what what is uh see just finished his stand-up tour yeah it's special the next tour is starting to roll uh just go to tom papa on all on all things and you'll find me instagram my website

my mailbox that's a great name too charlotte january 12th charlotte north carolina it is come on to stand up take Take your shirt off. Twist it around your head like a helicopter. North Carolina. This was really great. Thank you. I appreciate you coming. So cool. We have to take a picture.

I got to show Matt Damon who I was hanging with. Matt Damon? Yeah. You got to tell him the story about where I was randomly riding my bike in Brooklyn. And he lives there, I guess. And I saw him randomly like, hey, man, how you doing? He's like, who are you? I said, Edelman.

He's like, oh. It was the coolest. We've met up a couple times. He's a sweetheart. But Aflac, on the other hand, you tell him. Yeah. Really? You're going to let him have it?

Nah. I'll tell him anyway. We got some beef. If you want to see a real Batman, come tell me. I'm on it. Man, that was an awesome episode. Tom Papa. That was my Jerry Seinfeld for you.

Yeah, I got a little Seinfeld in there. What's the deal with this guy? His name name's papa but he's not my father that was that'd be a seinfeld bit wouldn't he he'd be like yeah write that down this is going in the special yeah i was confused it said his name was tom papa but he doesn't have a kid i don't't know. What's the deal? No, he was awesome, though. That was sick. No, that was fun. It was good to hear his come up and to hear how he kind of used a little bit of that athlete mentality in his stand-up career. Yeah, what was that about?

No chicks, no partying, bro? Just writing? I mean. Spiral notebooks? Come on, bro. No days off, Jack. I know. No days off, Jack. Trying to party and have fun man in the green room it'll come i know what did seinfeld say you gotta like

yeah you gotta do good at invest in the craft and then the craft will invest and give you reward or something yeah something lame like that or something no it was fun man i can't wait to continue to watch him and i look forward to seeing his new stand-up. Yeah, for real. In honor of the wide right game, one of the most painful endings in sports history, especially for the folks up in Buffalo, we're going to talk about some of the most painful missed kicks

or just botched field goals to end games in all of football. All of football? We're going to put together a little top five. What do you think? Can we come to a consensus? You, me, and Kyler. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Starting off, the kick six. You got the kick six, Bama and Auburn. You got the double doink, Eagles and Bears. You got the Romo botched snap. Not even a missed field goal, just a botched snap in that playoff game against the Seahawks. And then you got i mean i guess we'll lump these all together it's almost got to be one for me when you can you can put it

like a godfather you got wide right one wide right to those florida state miami ones i don't know those are tough we got a couple we got um i think florida state miami what was that that's a rivalry game that's a rivalry game for sure so but it's it's also it's college man it's college where do you i put them on a lower scale those kids aren't pro kickers like that's tough that's tough for a call it like you know i mean this kid probably no i know you're doing a halftime thing where the coach had an audition for fucking some kickoff thing and all of a sudden they signed them and they had the video the team giving giving them a scholarship kidding he ain't getting two million dollars to kick what about the maybe he is with the nil do you remember there's a regular

season game i think it was the saints maybe jags where there was a full-on like a lateral kickoff situation with like no time left and they actually had it work like a annex section of puerto rico and it actually worked and then they missed the extra point to lose the game after they scored a touchdown let me look that one up it's not the Will Lutz one from 2022 it was like Carney was yeah I don't you know I I'm not one of those guys that sits and buries on killing the kicker after a game losing kick because the game's not lost or won on that kick. There's about 15 to 30 other plays that came down to. Spoken like a true teamer. You know, I feel for my guys.

You know, Steve, Gaskowski, Nick Falk. Those are my guys. Oh, Kyler alluded to the River City Relay. It's got a name. Got a name? Should we do it the River City Relay. It's got a name. It's got a name. Should we do it? River City Relay. 2003, the Jags were leading 20-13.

The Saints used three laterals to score a touchdown. His time expired in regulation. However, New Orleans kicker John Carney missed the ensuing extra point and would have sent the game into overtime. But instead, the Jags. That's short PAT, too. That was pre-moving it back. That's three-yard PAT.

Yeah, prior to making it a football play, as Bill would say. That hurts. That hurts. River City Relay. River City Relay. What did you say? Who would say what? Bill, because he said make it a football play, right?

That's why he was the one, I think, that lobbied to move the extra point back. It's good. I think, yeah. it makes it more interesting. I think that was a Bill Terma, make this a football play. Let's get it. All right, let's rank these. Sorry. So wide rights, that's the last college?

Putting that fifth. What about this wide right? Is this one in here? Yeah, this one's in here. I think this might be number one, honestly. The butterfly effect. Super Bowl, I mean. The kick six mean the kick six

the kick six is wild because usually a missed kick is just like sadness but like the kick six the sadness led to a great football play i was such a good football in that way i mean that changed play calling for that situation. One second left. Because if you think about it, and that's why they do that on those extra long ones, they put those fast guys back there because you got all linemen on there for the field goal team. It's fucking travesty.

You're done. That's the gamble. That's what I heard Chris Davis say the other day. That's got to be, that's up there, that's number two. Let's put kick six is two we got wide right at one three i think you gotta go speaking of butterfly effect the romo botch snap i mean dallas hadn't won a playoff game since no they won one last year yeah they beat they beat the bucks okay pardon me double

doink it's like oh that's extra heartbreaking because you got your heart broken twice. And the Eagles went on to win that year. They did. Yeah, they beat the Pats, right? That year. Yeah. No, no, no, no, no. That was to repeat.

That was to repeat. They won the year before. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So then it goes three Romo double doink four you think romo is more heartbreaking or you're going one is the most heartbreaking yeah you think romo is

more heartbreaking than the double doink yeah dude that's a dallas cowboys okay okay when you when you have that star in your helmet there's a different standard okay you're america's team i guess i feel like i just called called into jerry's office when i signed with the cowboys i mean i am eating a fucking egg mcmuffin with salt and pepper and extra ketchup on it isn't that what he's eating he loves an egg mcmuffin bro salting down an egg mcmuffin i'm like that man likes salt. Liberal with the salt, brother. Sodium levels through the roof. What's the fifth one? Fifth, let's go FSU Miami.

Wide right, one through five. Fives for the boys. River City, I mean, we didn't know about it. That was its regular season game. Anything related to Jacksonville can only be ranked so high. Nah, I mean, Jacksonville. I like Jacksonville. Here they go. Our final rankings. Ready. Nah, I mean, Jacksonville. I like Jacksonville. Here they go. Our final rankings.

Ready? Yeah. Wide right, number one. Kick six, number two. Romo botched snap against the Seahawks, number three. Fourth, the double doink. Number five, the wide right series. Pretty good list.

That's good. I think that's correct. Painful. What do you guys think i want we want to hear in the comment section below blow us up i want to hear what you got i want to hear arguments i want to hear replies let's see it what an episode thanks again to tom papa for coming on it just i like saying his name it reminds me of papa smurf me too tom papa john popper from the uh blues traveler yeah that's a good comic name good stage name it is yeah that's been another episode of games with

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