Games with Names - WWE & Wrestling Stories

Episode Date: May 24, 2026

WWE Superstars including Ric Flair, Charlotte Clair, Becky Lynch, and the Miz give some of their best stories about how they got started and their biggest moments in the WWESupport the show: http://www.gameswithnames.com/See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is Help from a Hypocrite, the worst advice from the dumbest people you know. Listen to Help from a Hypocrite Wednesdays on the Iheart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to Games with Names. I'm Julian Edelman, and we got a brand new compilation highlight reel starting now. Next up, Charlotte Flair on fighting Rhonda Rousey. What made Survivor Series so, not, I mean, important but impactful was my opponent at the time, Becky Lynch, was like super red hot.

And Rhonda was the baddest woman on the planet. Like, that's what we had labeled her as. And a week before Survivor Series, Becky had her face bashed in and was supposed to be wrestling Rhonda at Survivor Series. And my boss was like, well, Rhonda can't wrestle. We need the next best thing, meaning like, we had a promoted match. Becky can't wrestle her. Well, who are we going to have wrestle her? Like, it has to be just as good, if not better.

So I was like, I have to wrestle Rhonda. but the reason, like, you see me being like, I have to wrestle Rhonda is because for almost a year, the rumor on the street was Charlotte Flair versus Ronda Rousey for WrestleMania. So if I was going into wrestle her at Survivor Series on a one-on-one, are we not getting the WrestleMania match?

I mean. So I was like, oh, my God, one, this match isn't promoted. two, they wanted to see Becky versus Rhonda. Three, well, what's my future? And I got to L.A. a week early and just thought to myself, like, whatever goes down that night, people have to want to see Charlotte Flair versus Rhonda again. Yeah.

Or what's going to make it that memorable? Plus, like, at that time, Becky was hot, but Rhonda was untouchable. She was like untouchable. That's why this, I think this is such a, when we get into the match, this is such a huge match because she was the biggest UFC, the biggest thing for UFC. And then she finally, like she blew up UFC in the women's department and then she got knocked out or whatever and then she came to. We would have not main evented WrestleMania had it not been for Rhonda, hands down.

Like when she wanted to kind of join what we had already started to build, but her, her star power, her credibility, her outside influence, the audience that she brought, like, kudos to her man. I know that, you know, someone said in her book that, you know, she couldn't wrestle, but at the end of the day, it really didn't matter. She was Rhonda. And she didn't need to. She had such, like, an orator, and really did figure it out and, you know, brought that much to the table. So, like, I thank her for what she did for us. Because, like, she didn't have to come wrestle. Like, she'd already done it all.

Yeah. And it was real. So she just added that legitimacy to what we were trying to do that we didn't have. And she caught on. Like, this Survivor Series match, I don't think, because it wasn't, you know, part of that overall big picture at the end of mania and the two belts being one. But, like, dude, I just thought she picked it up so fast without having, like, any wrestling background or school. Like she just knew how to react. And if you watch it, she had like so much star power.

Yeah. And when you watch the match, it looked different. Well, yeah, because we were beating the shit out of each other. Not even that. No, but like, and she took it. She was using all the UFC arm bar shit. Oh, yeah. And that was over.

And incorporating it. Like that never really been seen to me at least. Well, it had been seen, but not believable. Not believable. Not believable. And that is what's most important in our business. You can do all these moves. You can do all.

I mean, sure, I know how to do a submission, but do I know how to break your arm? No, but she does. That's what made her special. And that's what made that match so impactful is because you were like, well, is Rhonda going to break her arm? I don't, like, that just made all the difference.

What's her biggest strength? What is hers? That she's been in a fight before. She's been in a fight before. She said that. Next, O'Shea Jackson Jr. On why 90s, wrestling was the best. Like, you know, when you get the pass to go to the bathroom and, like, classroom doors are open so you see your friends.

Yeah, you'd be like, what's up? 1,000 percent. Were you WCW or WWF? WWF, but WCW, like, you jump back. I was too young to, like, prefer. I was just excited to see wrestling. Yeah, so, like, at the time I came in to just, like, really start watching WCW, I was at the point where in my life, I thought Hulk Cogan was a WCW guy. Yeah.

You know, I never saw the red and yellow. I just know this dude for being over here. And then I think it was watching, I noticed that this dude, Scott Hall looks a lot like Razor Ramon. And then my brother was like, yeah, he's a, he was with WW. What do you mean he was with WW? And then so I started to piece together like, oh, that's Diesel. Diesel's on.

So then like now I'm like, oh, my God. These are two companies that people can jump ship. And, you know, then you start to, you know, like Goldberg. That's there. Goldberg, Diamond Dallas Page. So, you know, I was really in the WCW, but WWF. It just seemed like it was the gold standard. Yeah, dude.

Like WCW seemed a little. It's a little Pepsi. It was Pepsi. It was a little, you know, like, hey, great. You need a soda. Yeah, Pepsi's good. But it ain't Coke. Go.

Go. No one ever says, is Coke okay? Yeah. There's also not an amendment that is grandfathered in for the recipe or something. Right. The use of it. I just saw something about Coke. You know, somebody, an employee took the secret formula to Pepsi.

Pepsi took it to colon and snitched on the employee. That's respect. That's respect to Pepsi, bro. Respect to Pepsi's, hey, we're not joining them. Also, Pepsi's winning in some categories. Pepsi's Gatorade. Pepsi's Gatorade and they're also... Power-rate's coat.

What are they? What's their... Are they seven-up or Sprite? Their Sprite. Coke is Sprite. Oh, Sprite's better. I think Pepsi's Sierra Mist or... The new Stari?

Starry. They changed it to Starry. Stari's getting some hype, but used to be Sierra Mist. Yeah. I always tripped off how, like... What's seven-up? Seven-up. It's probably Cocoa, too. But, like, when I was a kid, I always tripped out on, like, how Sprite was for basketball players.

Yeah. Like, that doesn't help you play basketball. Not at all, dude. Seven up is Pepsi. Seven up's Pepsi? Yeah. Oh, well, they get both. They got two lemon lime drinks.

Yeah. Weird. Freaks. Go ahead, Pepsi. Seven Up's a little tartar. Not as sweet. Okay. I feel you.

I can blind taste these things like no other. Seven Up had a video game back in a day for second. I remember. And it was kind of tight. Yeah, the dog. He was a slaggy little dog. Yeah, bro with the glasses. And he had the sneaks.

Yeah, bro. I remember that seven up game. Yeah. Let's jump into the match. I'm coming back for a part two, bro. This is too chill. I was going on to seven up. Some more rock love here.

Yeah. Fucking rock. So his signature moves was the rock bottom. He was his elbow. His moniker was the people's champ, the great one. Still is. And the Brahma bull? Yeah.

Go one on one. He's dad. Great one. Yeah. Rocky Johnson, dude. Can you give us some rock phrases? Jibroni. Debroni?

What else did he say? Rudy poo, candy ass. Candy ass. Yep. Trash. And millions. And millions. The Ross fans, dude.

Hell yeah. What are you still? He's always called him a piece of trash. Yeah, a piece of trash is great. Also, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter, bro. That was, it was so big that Wyclef made a song about it. It doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter. No, you're a shit. Shut your mouth. Gibrony Avenue. Shut your mouth. No your roll. video games. I guess it's suspended for

doing the Xbox to suck it. My teacher. Oh, wow. That took a turn, bro. Let me pay the picture. You fucking abusing faculty? No, okay? This is like

1998. Okay. Okay. Sitting there and we had to sit down while we ate our lunch before we could go play. I went to I went to. Seems like standard issue. Yeah. Mr. Calais.

Shout out, RIP. He was going that way towards the fence. And I went to Catholic school. Oh! He goes towards the fence. I get up and I'm like straight, suck it. Double, triple, right?

Doesn't see. Okay. I think I get away Scott Free. Right. Old Janet walking by the fucking school. Old Janet. That's a Janet move if I've ever heard. Waves down. Mr. Callis.

tells them everything. As I'm watching, I'm sitting there eating my mom's PV and Jay. I'm sitting on the watching this thing. I'm like, there's no way this lady's going to say anything. They both point back and look and she points at me. He starts scold walking to me. Yeah. I'm like, I didn't do anything.

Before he came and goes, go to Miss Anthony's office. So when I got suspended for that, for NARC. Right. Snitch and McRat, bro. Snitches get stitches. Janet. Damn, Janet. I saw you over, I saw you a mass three days later. You looked me in an eye.

Because I didn't go, I didn't go up for communion. So she looked me in the eye because I was the kid in the pew. Fucking, yeah, so wrestling. A teacher's crazy. Like, I thought you were like, like, you know when you get the pass to go to the bathroom and like classroom doors are open so you see your friends. Yeah, you'd be like one of them up.

One thousand percent. Wait, were you guys a cross or like a both? You're doing both across. I was doing jumps in the air and shit. That's athleticism, baby. Yeah, bro, it was bad. Now the Miz explains how he went from the real world to the WWE. When did you know you wanted to become a professional wrestler?

Real world. Real world. So, when you growing up, I guess you always were like, I'm going to play football and play football. Me, like, I would have in the back of my head, I could do this, I could do this, but it was never like a real thought. The real thought was always like when you're done with high school, you go to college.

After college, you go back to where you live, you get a job, you get a family, and that's due for the rest of your life. That was my mentality. Then I saw, I was at Miami, Ohio, and my fraternity. And I saw on TV, I was watching Real World New Orleans. And it said, do you want to try out for the real world? Here's how you do it. And I was like, I want to try out.

All my friends were like, dude, don't try it. You're not going to make it. There's like 60,000 people. Like back then, MTV was everything. It was huge. It was huge. I love the world world. Everybody watch.

Yeah, everybody watched. Oh, fuck. Yes. Yes. I'm glad that you remember those days because people now, MTV, it's like, what's that? It's like, it's no. Like, it was the biggest shit. It was everything.

It was like, the housewives. You know the housewives now? What's the real world? I would even say it was bigger than the housewives. What's the equivalent, Jack? He's a big reality TV guy. I would say Housewives is up there. You got your summer house.

But I think Mike's spot on. There was nothing like the real world, man. Nothing. Like, you, It appealed the broad appeal age range. I mean, I was like eight years old. I wanted to go on MTV Spring Break, bro. I did do that.

So my goal was like to go do the real world, do the challenges, and host spring break. And I got to do it all. I went to, I went to Cancun for a month. I think they gave me the key to the city. Talk about hitting for the cycle. Oh my God. That's how you do it, baby. Did you meet Pauly Shore?

Was he, was he still hosting it? Did I meet Polly Shore? I didn't meet Polly. No, no. No, he was not hosting it at the time. I did a show for, like Dr. Pepper or something like that. Man.

Dude, the strangled old MTV had on us, unbelievable. Now, when you're doing the real world and you figure out that you want to do wrestling. Well, first off, when I was doing the real world, it wasn't like, oh, I want to be a wrestler. I'm going to do the MIS. I did the MIS because I was uncomfortable in my situation. And whenever I would drink, I would just start cutting promos like I saw my wrestlers do.

And everyone ended up starting loving it. So everyone, all my, all the castmates who hated me were like, do the Ms, do the Ms. It's because it was fun. It was exciting, right? And so I'd just start doing the Ms. And then the Ms. they liked Ms. more than they liked Mike. And I was like, wow, this is, this is fun.

And then afterwards, I remember going back being in my dad's condo and being like, what do I want to do for the rest of my life? Like, what do I want to do? I want to go back to college, Miami, Ohio and have business classes that I literally was like getting D's in and not really doing well in. because it was college and it was fun. And so I was like, you know what? I'm going to,

I'm going to become a WWE, like, superstar. I'm going to try that. So I went on my computer. I looked up like wrestling schools. And there was one in Louisville and there was one in L.A. And I was like, I'm going to L.A. I'm going to L.A. I'm kidding me.

But I didn't have any money because real world doesn't pay. Like I made nothing on the real world. Like legit. I went bankrupt on the real world. I spent all my credit cards. Like, to live the life, right? I'm in New York City for the first time, had a credit card. Blasted, blast it. Oh, you guys want drinks. Here you go. Here you go. Great city to have it into. Oh, my God,

the best or the worst. Best or the worst. Expensive but awesome. Very expensive. And I lived in like a three-story like mansion. I'll never have a house like that in New York ever again because it was unreal. And so it's funny. And people always ask me like, is it really real? Is it really real? Like, that's the number one question I get with real world, wrestling, everything. Is it real? Is it real? And I always say real world was as real as you can get on TV because there are cameras around. There's cameras around you 24-7. But once you have a camera around you 24-7 for a week, it just becomes a part of life. And it's the norm. And so then you just start living your life. And that's the way it is. Now, is there editing? Is there music? Is there all these different things? Yeah.

But the experiences that I lived there were 100% true. And so I, and whenever people tell you, you like, oh, they edited me wrong. They did this wrong. They did this dirty on me. Usually those are the people that they weren't themselves on the show. They tried to portray a character or a character. And then they watch the show and they don't see the person that they are. Or they don't realize who they are.

And then they see it and they're like, well, that's not me. And it's like, that's the way you were on the show. So I don't know. You know, so then I got on a challenge because I didn't get paid anything, right? they offered a challenge to me. I was like, oh my God, a challenge. Yeah, I have to win this thing because I need money. So I ended up going on the challenge, winning the challenge, and moving, taking all that money and moving to Los Angeles, paid for rent, paid for people. Like, would you, would you, would you buy your big, what was the first thing you bought?

I was like, well, I bought wrestling classes so I can learn how to learn the art of professional wrestling, acting classes, improv. I went to groundlings, improv Olympics, and second city. And then I was like, I remember the only way I could afford like a workout was like through like muscle and fitness like magazines, right? I'd buy a magazine and just find the workout. And like I had a nutritious that came in there. I had to pay him $100 a month in order to get me like the right foods that I should be eating to really lock in my body. And so that's kind of all the money that I spent on WW. And you would think since I was on the real world, the most popular show in in America at the time.

that WW was like, hey, come on over to WW. But they weren't. As a matter of fact, it was a negative. Like, if you were on a reality show, you were not, like, Hollywood didn't want you. You weren't allowed to go on, like, auditions. Now, nowadays, it's like, oh, my gosh, you have a fan base? Yes, come on, let's do it. Oh, you have social media.

You have this. You have this. Influencers are like, oh, like, everything. Back then, oh, no way. You were an anomaly. Yeah, nobody wanted you because you were taking, One, in Hollywood, you were taking jobs from actors, real actors. Like, you're a no talent hack.

You're on a reality show. You're in, you're, what have you done? You lived your life in front of a camera. Congratulations. You have no talent. So I wanted to obviously prove them wrong. Chip on my shoulder, kind of like you had. And so I just kept going and kept working, kept working.

Every time I'd go out to a club, people would be like, why do you want to be a wrestler? You want to be a wrestler? You want to be a wrestler? You know who was always supportive? Anytime I'd go on a challenge, the castmates of the real world, they could have been jealous, right? They could have been like, oh, whatever. They were so supportive. They would wear, like, I saw that WW did a lot of merch, right?

So I was like, I'm going to make my own merch. And WW will see that I can sell merch. And if I can sell merch, I have a fan base, I have an audience. I'm doing all the acting, all the improv, all the wrestling school. They'll see me and they'll want to try to give me a tryout. And that still wasn't the case. But I was going to try to do it. And whenever I brought the merch onto the challenges,

they all would wear my shirts, would all wear my logos. They would always ask me to do promos, and they were so supportive. And they didn't have to be. And now you will see that no one's allowed to do that anymore because I ruined it for everybody. No one's allowed to bring their own merch on TV,

on the challenge. Licensing. Yeah, because now they do that like, they didn't have that back then. I ruined it for everybody. You fucking the Wall Wall, West back then. You killed it. But think about it. You try to find it like, it's like with football, right? I imagine you find all the tools you could possibly do to succeed when you were going for

your tryout for New England or when you got drafted, what, seventh round? Like, you weren't making that team. There's no way you were going to make that team. But in your mind, you were and you were going to use every tool you could possibly do in order to make sure that you made that team. Whatever it possible is. Same with WWE. You need to find every single tool defined to make sure that you that you're a no-brainer. Yeah. That they have to take you. And it took three years,

three years of like going on the independence. And you know what's funny? Matt Light, I wrestled for his foundation. Matt Light Foundation. Yeah. Matt Light Foundation. Shootout coming to you.

So he was shootout. By the way, Matt Light, thank you for actually booking me. Because no one would book me. I was having a hard time on the Indies to try to do it. And he had this show at like, maybe it was like the Roxy in, Boston and by the way, everyone showed up.

Oh, yeah. Like that was one of the cool moments. I was like, oh, wow, like all the, almost the entire offensive line, Brady was there. And it was just a show at the Roxy. And I was a part of the show. They flew me out to Boston to, and this was like in 2002. Before I was in WW, I was on real world, but was not getting booked. And I got to meet everybody and hang out with everybody.

And it was awesome because you could see why they're winning Super Bowls. Like they were friends. They were hanging out with each other. You know, that's how you build a bond. That's how you build a locker room. And like, that's how you have a winning mentality. 1,000%. I mean, you willed yourself to become a WWE superstar.

I mean, acting class, wrestling school, nutritionist. I mean, people don't. I hope people understand how hard it is to chase your dream. And it's not everyone, whenever anyone says, oh, I would give anything to be in that guy's shoes, you wouldn't because you had the opportunity too.

You want the lifestyle. You want the lifestyle. You want the popularity. But you don't understand the grit and hard work it took for you to transform yourself. Because at that time, like you said, first thing I, first thing I said when I,

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He's part of the real world. Now, Becky Lynch on becoming a villain. Did you love being like the heel? Oh, yeah. Because I loved being a villain when I would come out because I felt, you know, like you're going out, you're proving people wrong. You're proving what you, you know, I would always go and fucking do. my little heel thing when I go to another stadium I'd run a hundred yards and I fucking

fist pump over at the crowd they'd be all booing and shit I embraced it you know you go to New York City you go to Buffalo these people hated you you know but I fueled off that did you feel off being the heel? Yeah yeah yeah yeah because you can do no wrong right like because you've got this freedom

it's when you're what a burden to be liked by everybody you know what I mean like to be to you put that standard on yourself yeah you know but that's your job. Your job is to be the baby face, the good guy, to have people root for you. And so when you're the bad guy, like, great.

You get to make people hate you. And that is your job. And so you can do no wrong. You can say whatever you want. You can do whatever you want. And inevitably, when you're doing that, you're having more fun. So then people start to like you. So then you become a baby face, but then you're saddled with them needing to like you.

So then you're restricted and then your freedom goes away. So then they start to boo you. So then you start having fun because then you're the heel and then you can do no wrong. And then they start to cheer you again because you're having. And it's just this endless. It's just this endless cycle. Man. Do you have any favorite specific moments of things that you got to do while you were playing a heel?

Oh gosh Oh I I really liked going to cut Bianca's hair You know But then she turned it around on me Just because like I kind We'd we'd led up to that

So much and I think people really thought that That it was going to happen And they were so mad about it You know because Bianca has this This cool awesome braid that she's able to do Just amazing things with Cut that shit right on. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

But then she turned it around and then cut my hair off. Scissors in the ring is always fun. I like that. Yeah, I'm very scary. Very scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because she was like KODing me way too close to them scissors, you know. Could have been very dangerous.

Don't run with scissors. Don't wrestle with scissors. Could have lost an eye. My mom was right all along. My mom was right all along. Real quick, before we go into our next segment, what's it like being married to another WWE star? Like do you guys, are you guys at home like on an off night?

Like practicing moves on each other and stuff like, hey, on this DDT that I got to execute next week? Like, can you come over here and like just fucking knock them ground? No. No, not really that. But like, I suppose there is like, so he's got a wrestling school in, in Iowa. And so like any time when I was coming back from,

like college wrestling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And, uh, don't really get many of them coming into the school. Yeah. No. Anyway. Um, but yeah, so, so I get in with him and, and, and, and, you know, like, he's, he's, he's amazing. He's just so, so good. Um, so, uh, that's, that's just awesome. Like, you couldn't get a better. You guys couldn't get a better partner. And then he's like, he's just got such a great mind for it and he's so swat.

Now this is just going to end up in a whole tribute to how great Kobe Lopez, aka Seth Rollins is. But he's just, he's, he's so awesome and it's so great to be able to talk about wrestling or not talk about wrestling and, but really like run an idea.

The one thing, I think the one issue we may run into is that like he's a no seller. Like he doesn't sell anything. thing, right? Like, like, so, so I'll be all hyped up about this idea that I have. And then this is going to happen and this is going to happen. And isn't that the best thing you ever heard? And, uh, and he'd be like, yeah, and then what? You know? And, and then a round of applause, please, you know? Um, but yeah, no, it's, it's, it's, it's the best. It's the best. That's fucking awesome. Now, we got Rick Flair on how he took over wrestling. Who's this, uh, Vern Gagne. Vern Gagne. Vern Gagne.

Burn Gagne, tough as hell. Talk about the training, because I remember you, I saw something where he made you guys do this training, and you said it was the hardest training ever. Oh, my God. Well, first of all, Ken Patero is what, I knew Vern, right, but Ken Patero was training for the 72 Olympics. And Ken and I lived together.

And when Ganya said to me, I knew his son real well and said, you want to come to the training camp too? And I said, yeah, shit. But I was 300 pounds. I could total 16, 40 in the power lifts. I was training with Ken. I just got, you know, big in it. So I'm thinking, yeah, I'm thinking of Dick the Bruiser and the Crusher.

The first day out there, we trained at his farm out. And why is that a two-mile run, two-mile run in the cornfield, right? 500 free squats, 250 pushups, 250 crunches. How long you think it took me? 12 hours? Uh, 12 hours? Seven. Seven?

Yeah. I mean, you were a 300 pound guy. I hadn't run a mile. No. Because I was a freshman in college. Seven hours. I quit. When did it become easy?

Did it ever become easy? Do you keep on doing it? It took me three months. I quit twice. but Vern came over and got me literally slated. It says it was like 30 for 30. He literally slapped me across the face

to throw me out in the front yard. He said, you've quit everything you've ever done in life. You ain't quitting me. Okay. It was brutal. Now, was that? I mean, that was probably huge. The thing about this, you know, you know,

your wheelbarrow, right? Yeah. Up 22 flights of stairs. Are you kidding? You hold the guy's legs, and then you've got to crawl like this? Shoulders. Then you carry him down.

Oh, my God. That's like some Navy SEAL shit. Yeah. You would not imagine. Remember Brian O'Field, the shop putter? Yeah. It's a little before. I wasn't a shock-putting guy, but.

No, but you know the name, right? Yeah. Like, he lasted one hour. Gee. He walked out of there and said, screw this. Now, you know, so many pro football players have tried to come in in the old days. Yeah.

Otis that struck him for the guy from the Raiders. Yeah, he lasted an hour. Who was the guy in the Steelers that was shooting the gun, played with me and Joe Green in that? Shooting the gun on the Steelers. Oh, I can't remember. Anyway, he came, he lasted a day. So.

And where was it at? At his farm and where? His farm was that at Minnesota. Minnesota. Yeah. So what time of year is this? You said it was cold. It was, well, the Olympics.

over in September, we trained October, November, December, then I had my first match in January of 73. And nobody told us what to do. No one told you what to do. I said, what do we do? He said, go out there and do what I taught you?

I said, what was that happening? So. You were in hell of good shape, though. You were in some shape. Yeah. That's never been the issue for me. It's just owning it down. I never knew when to go to bed.

Yeah, I get it. You played football at Minnesota for a minute, right? Well, I would, well, freshman weren't eligible, but I played, yeah, yeah. How was that? I would have, I would have started my sophomore year, but I, they put me in summer school, I lasted two days, and got in my car, there was no cell phones or anything. Back then, drove Chicago to see my friend at the Wirt's family.

They're on the Blackhawks and the Bulls and all that. And they did it on a bulls in it before they sold Majority Rinesorf. But my parents thought I was in school. They had no idea where I was. So I kind of went into my own life when they put me in boarding school. Yeah. 15. You just street smart hitchhike to Miami three times.

That was an exciting one, 15 years old hitchhiking down the road. Now, what do you say to someone when, when you're hitchhiking. Like, how do you wave them down? Give me the pitch. If I'm driving down the car, 15-year-old... But you have to remember, now, this is in the 60s, right?

Regardless, I've never even heard of this. I'm like this. And so they stop and they... Yeah, figure up, yeah. That's crazy. Yeah. Four girls from Michigan State picked me up. Nice.

And I went all into Miami with them. Wow. That's like the movie Dumb and Dumber. The bus comes by. Hawaiian tropics girls Oh my God Yeah Ron Rice Me and Ronnie

I've had fun with him Now who are some of your wrestling heroes When you meet Vern You start training Who are some of the guys you idolize That you wanted to form your style off of No I idolized Dusty Road Dusty Road

Yeah I idolize Dusty Yeah Vern said to me Why do you like him He can't work I said I said I just

I think he's the greatest. You know, he was so charismatic. God. The dream was one of one kind. Hard times. Put me through hard times, Rick Flair. Put me through hard times. Yeah.

Who is the best wrestler to go out with? To party with? Yeah. Which decade. Let's start 80s. The 80s. Arne Anderson, I had a ball. And then I've had so much.

much fun with The Undertaker. I lost two Rolex watches with the Undertaker. I love the Undertaker. He's the best. He can drink Jack Daniels, man. Oh. Jesus. Does Paul Bear go out too?

No, Paul Bear was real calm. Yeah. But Taker and I would tear Europe apart. My God. We used to go on his European tours, where they let us stay overnight in each town. That was rough. What was the best town?

in Europe I'd have to say the towns in Germany were the best England was good too Manchester London I wasn't too crazy about Italy Spain was okay but then

but the best trip is so Vince calls me and says you and Taker are going to go wrestle in Japan and then from there you go to to London, right? First update and then

Tatega and I take off and go Japan. He wrestles Kurt Angle. I wrestle. I can't remember where wrestled. Then we fly to London, right? And then we flew home and we got so

screwed up. So we apparently landed in Chicago, right? And he put my arm The cleanup crew woke me up. He said, Mr. Fleher, you have to get off the plane. I said, where are we?

And he just, he left me with my hands over. Like Undertaker, he put you in the casket. Yeah. He put you in the casket. Yeah. Yeah, he and I had some good times. The Undertaker. Now, you were the driver for Andre the Giant?

Yeah. I drove Andre for a year when he was on. Frere. Yeah. Yeah. Now, I took him in Chicago and all that. He was, and I'd take him to see all the bars.

It was, it was tremendous. Now, what, would you drive him in? And he sat in the back seat of my car. Big guy? Oh,

well, he wasn't as heavy. Then when he first started, he was like, when I first met him, he was like four, probably four, 20,

4.30. But then, you know, he eventually got to 560. Jesus. Yeah. We could drink, boy. Yeah.

So you've never seen anybody like that in your life. I've heard 100, I've heard 100. 106 beers. I saw him do it. Is he the best drinker of all time? Unbelievable. He drank a goddamn 747 out of every bottle of vodka in the plane. I mean, other people are getting served too, but boss more vodka.

You don't have any more? He caught. Bring me something else. Was he even getting drunk? Or was it just... No. Are you kidding me? Thanks for listening.

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