Garza Podcast - 100 - FEAR FACTORY: Opening for Slayer, 300 Vocal Auditions & Staying Driven

Episode Date: October 16, 2023

Episode 100?! To celebrate. Garza sits down in-person with the guest & band that started it all. American metal band FEAR FACTORY. https://www.linktr.ee/fearfactory SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! FEAR FACTORY is: Dino Cazares - Guitar Milo Silvestro - Vocals Tony Campos - Bass Pete Webber - Drums CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Vocal Cord Maintenance 02:03 - Dino Introduces the Band 03:58 - 56 Shows, So Far, with Milo 07:30 - Finding the Right Members for Fear Factory Return 08:30 - Pete Webber is High Energy 11:30 - Dino Looking at 300 Vocal Auditions 13:52 - From Posting a Youtube Cover to Joining the Band 16:36 - Bizarre Festival ‘98 18:04 - Touring with Rob Zombie & Monster Magnet 20:56 - Opening for Slayer 22:48 - Dino Not Being Much of a Partaker 23:55 - Staying Driven, Focused Through the Ups & Downs 26:08 - First Time Reading a Contract 29:48 - Master Recordings & Monetization 32:56 - Dino Hosted Huge Industry Parties  35:36 - Shopping Around Early Demos to Labels 37:00 - How Much Did Ross Robinson Shape Fear Factory? 38:58 - Milo Living in Rome & Los Angeles 43:40 - Pete’s Margaritas & Joining the Band 46:28 - Sick (and Tense) Tour w/ Fear Factory, System of a Down, Hed P.E., Static X & Spineshank 48:44 - Booking Great Tour Packages 49:30 - Having a Unique Sound, But Categorized Into Genres 52:53 - Deathcore Origins, Suffocation, NME/Ghetto Grind (Band) 57:53 - Los Angeles is Expensive 1:00:43 - Milo Doesn't Gain Weight 1:07:42 - Garza Podcast Coffee -  https://www.conceptcafes.com/product/garzapodcastcoffee/43?cs=true&cst=custom 1:12:28 - Chippendale’s 1:15:37 - 100th Episode, Dino’s 3rd Appearance 1:17:37 - Garza’s Custom Fender 7-String  1:23:00 - Nu Metal Clothing Companies (Adidas, Blackflys, Osiris Shoes, Dickies, DVS) 1:27:45 - ‘97 Ozzfest 1:29:30 - Drum Triggers Origins (Fear Factory, Pantera) 1:36:43 - Milo Got Stiffed by Burton After Fanboying

Like 25 years ago, I forgot. I forgot it. You know, and so it's like, there's a couple of notes that I hit Sauer that I'm still trying to figure out. Just old songs they had written, and then he knows it. I mean, one of the first videos I saw him, he did our, a song called Fear campaign, where he's playing the drums, guitars, bass, singing, and I know he did the keyboards as well. Wow.

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And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. We're talking about certain drinks that might affect your throat. as a singer, right? Yes. So I heard a really good story one time. I'll say his name. Be real. Be real from Cybers Hill told me one time.

Okay. He goes, hey, man, before you go on stage, like at least a few hours before you go on stage, never go down on a girl. Okay. And I was like, why? And he goes, because just the, her natural juices could, like,

really dry out your throat. That's a thing? That's a thing. And that's what he told. me and so every other singer that I've ever met, I always tell them that story that was the advice I was given about your vocal cords.

Has that been tested? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm not a vocalist. Exactly. So I don't know. So you got to ask the Italian-Stalian right here. Milo, Italian-Salian, you're now in Fear Factory. Congrats, man. It's cool, dude. It's cool.

But it's, hey, but before we get into everybody, can I introduce everybody? Of course. In the band? I would love that. That makes me a drop a lot. But I'm going to introduce them how I introduced them live. I saw that. It's cool. Oh, you've seen that? Yeah, I've seen that. Okay. Great. So we'll start

with our drummer here. So he plays in a band called Havoc, right? Yes. All right. So our drummer, who is a wicked hot hitta. Not just on the drums, but in bed too. Okay.

From what we hear from the ladies. We also call him the Boston basher. Because he's from fucking Boston. Yeah. All right. So he plays in a bad call Havoc. Give it up for Mr. Pete Weber. Pete Weber.

Come on, baby. Thank you. Thank you. Beautiful biceps, dude. Yeah. I would also say, stand up. Show the ladies what you got. What you do that?

And all the ladies will be like, ooh. You hear ladies in the crowd go, Oh, fuck. You see the double hand? Exactly. And then our vocalist here has got some very big shoes to fill and he's doing a great job. Fresh off the boat from Rome, Italy. Right?

I think only the second time he's been in America. The first time was to audition. Right? When I first met him, I used to call him the kid because he's, you know, it's much younger than me. and, you know, he had big learning experience just coming over here to the United States. Yeah. But ever since he got his first taste of American pussy,

we started calling him the Italian stallion. So give it up for Mr. Milo Silvestro. Milo! Gras! I like the crowd noises in the back. Genius, dude. And so so far we've done 56 shows. Together?

How many tours? One, two, well, one and a half, one, two tours. One U.S., one South America. Yeah. And then the Milwaukee Metal Fest. So that's like 56 shows. Nice. So far.

And right now we've got another 50-something shows to go. Yeah, you're booked up for the rest of the year. The rest of the year, yeah. And the next two. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's going to be some big touring coming up next year. Are you ready?

Oh, yeah, if I can't. You're ready. What was the timeline with the show at the whiskey? Was that like... Which one? The one we just did on Stingue de Mayo? That was right after the Static X tour. That was after, right?

Yes, right after. It was. Okay. We had a sellout show at the Belasco in April, and then we decided to book another show right after that. So like a week and a half, two weeks later, we played the whiskey on Stikodamio. Genius.

Yes. I was at that. at that one and you guys played late. When you say 11? Always late. It's always late there. You know how it is. Dude,

I'm like, when you are older, I'm like, I'm counting the minutes. I'm not going to be sleeping. But you hadn't mentioned you might only be there for a few shows and you, me a few songs and you were going to take off. I remember that.

And I get it because, you know, the older we get, the less we want to hang out late at night. I get it. Yes. But you end up staying longer. Yeah,

I say that for over half the set because it was, boom. Boom. And then it was a magical show. I thought it was incredible. I was just watching Milo's like, damn, he's doing it. I was very impressed.

And not only that, I was this, I was stoked for you, Dino, because just to see you re-energized and the band bringing it and just firing away, I'm like, damn, this is special. And I can't go home.

Yeah. Well, I, you know, I really took my time looking for a vocalist. One, because I was really busy, you know, doing the Soul Fly and Cavalera tours, you know, for a couple years there. And then, but at the same time, I was, like, doing a lot of auditions on video because, you know, during COVID. And a lot of people couldn't even get into the country because their country hadn't lifted the travel band yet, especially, you know, Milo and other people. And so, yeah, it took my time.

And then I found the right guy, obviously. And then he got to fly over here. And we met in 2021. And I was like, okay, now it's time to get you prepared for what's to come. You know what I mean? And we thought, and it wasn't just, you know, getting it prepared for touring and stuff like that. But I was also getting him prepared for, yeah, the mental psyche of what he's going to endure with the online backlash. Because, you know, he's never really experienced that stuff before.

And that, to some people, it could really affect you. It could really affect you. And it can mess up your game as well. You know what I mean? That is true. You know, it can get into your psyche and you can get insecure and blah, blah, blah, blah. I've seen it happen. I've seen it happen.

So I've got to prepare for that, but he hasn't experienced any of that yet, still. Still. A little bit, but it's nothing compared to why I get. But there is some luck there because the shows from the Sada Gex tour was being filmed, and there's all this great footage from that tour. That's some stuff you can't really plan, you know, and then there's a show with the whiskey goes up. I'm like, there's some great videos of you guys jamming, and that's just luck.

Yeah. You know? I believe I picked the right guys for this, for what I got going on. You know, Pete obviously is amazing drummer. You know, he's in a thrash metal band called Havoc. They're pretty successful on their own. And he's a fucking wicked hot hitter. And I was like, you know, my friend Sean Glass was telling me, you know, you got to get this guy.

You got to get this guy. And I'm like, all right. So he started sending me videos of him on his Twitch channel. doing all these Fear Factory covers. I'm like, I got to get this guy. And so that's exactly how it happened. And something that's been lacking with the Fear Factory sound and vibe, especially live. Well, it's just like that, when we have talked about this,

that little extra swing. You know, it's that little bit extra. Someone that's like, this is that something. Yeah. You know, it's cool. Well, I was like, you know, I'm pretty energetic as it is and I'm pretty hardworking when it comes to music and being on tour and stuff like that. So, you know, getting these guys, you know, I needed somebody to match that energy

level and they definitely do by far he's probably like beyond energy he's like first one there first one gone first one in first one out he's the first of everything really yeah super hyper energy you don't see it right now i've always been like that yeah i got it from my dad because he was like always on time and like even even early two things and i kind of just like stuck with me through the years and i think it's been a good thing he's like you know the first to load out first to load out first to load in. He's like, yeah. First to wake up. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, everything. Well, what time do you wake up? I'm usually, like, out of bed by like 9 or 9.30 and then I'll, like, work out in the morning, at least when I'm here, and then we'll go to rehearsals in the afternoon. But yeah, I just, I can't sleep late, usually. And I'm usually in bed pretty early, too, because when we're here, rehearsing, too, it's kind of tiring, so I'm usually in bed by, like, 11 o'clock.

and this guy he did the tour with us with Static Acts he went to South America right after that he went on a tour with this band called Havik so he was touring with Havik

and what's the other toxic Holocaust they did a tour and then he went home for like a week and a half and came right back here and I had to move I was going to ask you how do you bounce too

so I'll miss a few shows with Havik this fall but I'm just going to do my best you know to do as much as I can you know um it was an awesome opportunity for me to do this so yeah what was that like getting the call um so originally like you said that we we were we were talking because of my twitch show and stuff and Mike Leon invited me out to a Soulfly show and it was like uh the static X tour had I think was supposed to happen and then ended up getting postponed but deano would ask me at that time I you know if I could do the job and you know of course I was

like, of course I could do it. You know, I already know 15 songs just off my little show there. And then it got postponed again. But we kept in contact through the couple years after that. And here we are. Yeah, because we originally booked a tour and then COVID, like, COVID did it open up. Because remember, we were only supposed to be shut down for like three months or something like that. That's what they told us, the CDC, whatever.

And then, so the tour kept getting pushed back because of that. I think it was twice. Yeah, twice. Yeah, it got pushed back twice. After twice. Like, it's not going to happen. you know well we we were we were both bands were determined to make it happen yeah and that's exactly what happened it was a you know we played 48 shows and 45 of them sold out really yeah

geez yeah it was great well even though COVID kind of sucked it kind of gave you time to look over 300 submissions you know correct that's exactly what I did and I looked over a lot of uh lot of videos of stuff and some of them were funny some guy was farting in a microphone some dude was like singing with a ghetto blaster, just cranked, and he was singing, just, you know, singing, like, songs, you know, with a ghetto blaster. Then his cat, it was one where his cat came across

and stepped on his little boombox and turned it off. His cat, he's like, hey! And he turned it back on and went back to singing. Okay, so you're going through 300. At what point do you see? Those are the ones I remember the most, besides the girls. You know, there's a lot of females sent in their auditions as well.

Yeah, because, there's a female singer that almost got the gig, correct? Yes. Wow. But then you see Milo's, at what number do you think it was? The only reason why the female didn't get the position was because she couldn't sing in the key that we wrote the songs in. Her tone was higher.

Higher to A and G and et cetera. And she just, she wasn't baritone enough. Because, you know, our old singer, our old singer, had a more baritone voice, you know? Oh. You know, so, you know. Actually, I've been meaning some singers that can't, don't do you well with A-tuning. Yeah.

And as guitar up, your brains, I can't, like, come, oh, just sing over the fucking riff. Yeah. But I was like, oh, wait, the tone won't actually match up with the... Well, this guy, Milo is way more musically talented than I am. I mean, he'll notice notes and keys and stuff like that that I don't even know. You know what I mean? I don't even... Like, he, if I hit a wrong note, he'd be like, he'd be like, he'd be like, he, he'll notice.

Like, yo, that's not the right. It's not the right node. That was a she note. I was like, I wrote that song like 25 years ago. I forgot. I forgot it. You know, and so it's like there's a couple of notes that I hit Sauer that I'm still trying to figure out. Just old songs they had written.

And then he knows it. I mean, one of the first videos I saw him, he did our, a song called Fear campaign where he's playing the drums, guitars, bass, singing. And I know he did the keyboards as well. well so wow yeah every every there's a video on YouTube is it still there I think I made it private but I can put it back yeah that would be nice yeah of course I wasn't as good as now as far as vocal goes you know but now you have to do it was 2015 was that

2015 2014 yeah yeah nine years ago yeah actually that was fun and just a gopher in my studio and just you know jamming with the song it's a trip for you because I mean that as well as posting like a cover nine years ago and now fast forward seven years from that video. It's crazy. You know, this journey is full of crazy surreal moments, you know. I've been, of course, you know, as everybody knows now, I've been a Fear Factory freak for like 15 years, you know. And I was so much of a freak that, you know, of course I started learning guitar, learning Fear Factory. you know, mostly in a bunch of other favorite bands of mine.

So that's why the tab thing that Dino was talking about came by, you know, like, oh, that riff is on the third fret, not on the second fret, because that's how much a Fear Factor Freak I am, you know? You knew exactly where the positioning is. Yeah, I mean, pretty much. So not just by listening to the records, but also being a freak of YouTube live videos, of all my free bands, you know. So I was like, oh, that, I, it's,

remember that show, you know, you were hitting the third thread and stuff like that. So, um, and, and that's surreal because when you, when you become the, the, the, the, not just the member, but the frontman of your, your number one favorite band is just, you know, is it constant slap, face slapping, you know, is this real? You know, so it's, I don't know, it still feels like a dream. You join your favorite band. Yeah. And I could go from like, because you did this vocal medley of the first fear factory record.

Yeah. So you posted this on like a Facebook fan page, right? Yeah, it was New Breed. Yeah. New Breed Facebook page. So was he already on your radar? Yeah. Okay.

He was already on my radar because other people have, well, he posted on New Breed, and so other people have told me. And so, yeah, I was going through the rabbit hole of YouTube. Never ending. Yeah, exactly. Just looking for different guys who did cover songs as well. So I was doing that, you know. but like he was

pointing out that there's a song that we're playing it's called Smash a Devour and I played it on the fourth fret, whatever it was. The second fret. Or second fret. And he was

he still correct me. You see that? Sick. I was playing it on the second fret. He's like, no, it's the third fret. I'm like, no, it's the second fret. So he looked up an old YouTube video and goes, look, you're playing it on

the third fret. It's like, you're right. Put the video in your face. much from his phone you know he's like watch yeah see third fret see this yeah this is our festival 98 yeah yeah yeah yeah the bizarre festival 1988 in germany yeah i was watching that festival this morning really fire dude the bizarre festival yeah yeah well yeah well yeah well yeah yeah yeah i'm not sure where in germany yeah i'm not sure we're in germany yeah uh we played it a couple times actually it's a sick ass it yeah that was the one you were in we were in the

middle of a Slayer tour and we actually couldn't do we didn't do two shows we flew straight to Germany to do that festival

because it was a big festival at the time and it was more alternative bands like it wasn't like you know Vaken where it's all

metal bands it was more different bands type of bands so we flew from the Slayer tour straight to that show

no sleep play the show next day on a plane and flew black to the Slayer tour and uh continued the tour yeah that's insane when you leave a Slayer tour to go to... Yeah, we missed a couple shows.

Wow. There you go. That's it right there. 98? 98. I think it says 98. Does it say 98 on it? It should be 98. Yeah. 98. Boom. So you're probably one of the only heavy bands on this line? Uh, Danzig was on it too.

I think that was, we were the two heavy ones. but also on that Slayer tour we had to we were in Canada and we had a day off and so on the day off we actually shot a video for the song called Resurrection so we had to do that too

and it was great because we went from Slayer right to Rob Zombie tour that was amazing Rob Zombie was that was on his first record so he was still living that white zombie because they had put a successful record out just before that

Yeah. Rob's White Zombie did. What was it called? Astrocreep 2000. Big album for them. Huge tours. So he did his solo record right after that, and we were playing in front of pack houses,

like in front of four or five thousand people. That might have been one of his first tours then. If it's because the first record just drops. It was one of his... It was one of his first tours, yeah. As a solo artist. Yeah, as a solo. Yeah.

It was amazing. And it was crazy. Sorry to cut you off. It was... It was crazy because, you know, Rob Zombie was headlining, of course. And then in between us was Monster Magnet and then Fear Factory. And at that time, on obsolete, we were fucking on fire. Ban was blowing up, getting very popular.

We were neck and neck and merch sales with Rob Zombie. No. So we saw it. So after we would play, the crowd would either go take off or they would sit down for Monster Magnet. Sit down? Sit down. That's so... I would rather people leave.

That's so disrespectful. They didn't, they just leave to go get drinks or whatever. Oh, yeah, but. Merch. But they would sit down. Dude, that would kill me, dude. And these are like general admission places where there's no seats. Fuck.

Right? Or seats further back. So we were like, we were seeing all this stuff. So we actually asked, we went to Rob Zombie's production people, right? Mm-hmm. We actually spoke to Rob Zombie itself. It said, look, dude, Monster Man is getting killed every night. Maybe you should put them first.

which is flip-flop. And he goes, I don't know, talk to my agent, blah, blah, blah. Sure. So we reached out to the agent, they said, hell no. They said, no way. So we just continued to destroy every night, being the first band on the bill. But remember, Monster Magnet actually was pretty big at that time, because they had a big hit on MTV called...

Yeah, what was your hit around there? Or them? No, them. They had... I know the song. Yeah. Space Lord. Space Lord Mother Mother.

Oh, that's a... Oh my goodness. That was her big hit. But it was just a more of... Space Lord Mother. It was a more metal crowd. You know what I mean? It's a more metal crowd.

They didn't really want to hear that. I love Monster Banga, too. And we had a great time partying with those guys. But it's just, you know, the audience spoke. The audience spoke. It's funny because the audience has, like, the ultimately, like to say... It's just where... I wonder what it's like being in an advanced position

or even an agent or, like... Like, you can actually see it happening. You can see it. There's no talk. And then still, hey, though, leave them at that spot. Yeah. And just get fucking crushed. And so we were like, when we did the Slayer tour, we were nervous that we were going to get, like, booed off stage or people were going to chant Slayer.

Because that's back in the day when you opened up for Slayer, it was hard. Because everybody was like, you know, the whole crowd where you're playing like Slayer, Slayer, like, you know, let's get the fuck off. We want to see Slayer. Yeah. That's pretty much how it was. So we were nervous. and we came out and we were like, whoa, nobody said nothing. Everybody loved it.

Nothing? I was surprised. Not one Slayer chant, nothing. We were surprised how many people were there for us, and it was great. Yeah, but Fear Factory is heavy, dude. Yeah, it was, you know, during the shock, obsolete era. Come on. Was that, you know what?

I actually never asked you with. But still, you know, I mean, I've seen other bands open up for Slayer and they just got killed. Like which ones? I don't want to mention this. Well, actually, I'll tell you one. Move It Down. They opened up for Slayer and that was when they were still wearing their makeup and stuff and they got a lot of

Slayer chants. Was the first record already out yet or no? I'm sorry? Was the first record already out yet or no? Yes. It was out. Their System of Down record? Yeah. Self-titled, right? Yeah, the first one, whatever it was called. I guess yeah, that wouldn't really go well with the Slayer

crowd, I guess, you know? Yeah, it wasn't just them. It was other bands, too. It happened to a lot of Yeah. Yeah, but you guys are heavy, though. Yeah, we managed to make it work, and it was great time touring with those guys. Super cool.

Everybody was super sweet. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but you lay down like a foundation. It's kind of weird saying super sweet about Slayer, right? Super sweet guys. But they were just nice. They were just super nice guys, man. Very accommodating.

A lot of Yeager? A lot of Heineken. They drank a lot of Heineken, and Tom Reyes smoked a lot of weed, so he was on our bus every day smoking weed. And you never really have been like a big drinker or smoker, huh? No, but other guys in my band were, so. Yeah.

So we're just hanging and being around enjoying it? Yeah, I'd zip on a Heineken. You know, I'd zip on it. I wouldn't drink it, you know what I mean? That always blows me away about you, man. How did he just chill the whole time? I fucking failed, dude. I just, I don't know.

I guess I had the gift of the gab, I guess. In bad or good, you know. Do you think that helps you? your focus? Not. Yeah. Of course. I was very driven and I was very you know, didn't let the outside things affect me like that.

Mm-hmm. Yeah. Yeah, you've always been that way. You never let like an outside and you dealt with like, you're banished with a lot. I mean, you're talking lawsuits. I mean, that's very little stuff I've been through. It's just it ruins your morale and it's really hard to maintain being driven and then still put out great music that you feel

and you just still went on. Yeah. I know a lot of people who would have probably would have quit the music industry compared, you know, if they had to go through what I went through. It was pretty brutal. But, you know, like I told you many, many times, I'm a lifer.

This is what I do for my life. This is what I do for my living. This is how I live, you know, every way possible. It must be. And so this is my love. So this is my passion. So there's not, it isn't, I'm not going to give up on something like that. Just because that happened to be, I'm not going to give up or throw in a towel.

Definitely not. So that, that's kept you here. Of course, just my love for music, my love for creating, my love for putting a smile on a person's face. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Just all those years of meeting people around, around the world, all the friends. I still enjoy it. Yeah.

Very much. I think about the lows you guys had, even up to, recently to now you like you worked to get the band where it is now yes that must be a trip dude it's it's a it's a it's a long road a long hard struggle but for sure we're still here but i don't not what happened to me or the band in general i don't wish that upon any other band at all you know i do try to give people advice because of all the legal stuff that i went through um i do try to give other uh uh musicians advice on just like what to do or what certain things mean, you know, when they see lawsuits or things like that.

Yeah. You know, vice helps, man. We're having some kind of a mentor. Yeah. You know. Yeah. It's cool. You can't buy that, dude.

You got, you lived it. The band was in a lawsuit. I told you this on the first episode that we did that the band was in a lawsuit, the first record. That's fucked up. With the producer. Yeah. Well, it was the record called Concrete.

Yeah. It was with Ross Robinson, unfortunately. Yeah. You know, he's a friend. A friend now, right? A friend now, yeah. Okay, cool. But, yeah, that happened to us.

That was like, welcome to the music industry. Welcome. Yeah, welcome. When was the first time just had a curiosity and then, and then we'll move forward? When was the first time you read a contract? 1990. Ooh, good question. 1989.

Also, you were already pretty. okay you're not like exactly just letting everything just people making choices you well if you remember I had another van called Brutharia yes and so we were doing little contracts here and there with a little record companies putting out seven inches and yeah you know stuff like that yeah all right cool I remember my first contract about two years ago are you serious I'm very serious yeah wow not I didn't read any of the label stuff or the Central Media manager contracts nothing until it was Now when we're dealing with termination contracts.

Oh, wait, what, what did that first one say? Oh, there's a fucking sunset clause. Oh, shit. What's the sunset clause? Oh, wait, I'm fucked for this many years. Yep. 35, I'm 37 now. And you were already early 20s.

Yeah, you can see me right there in the Sarapae on the right. Yeah, that's it, right there. You just, right there. That looks like a, that looks scary, dude. And all the way on the top, that's Billy Gould with a hat on on the top. Not to the left. To the left of the white. Yeah, right there.

It's Billy Gould from Faith Nomar. Isn't it what you call a poncho? Yeah, poncho. Saope. You can call it poncho, whatever. So they're the same thing. Yeah, pretty much. Well, I never knew that.

Yeah. I never knew Spanish. It's kind of embarrassing. That's right. You're Mexican. I know. My parents never taught me, man. But I will.

I will. Love your parents. Thank you. Well, now there's apps now. I'm trying to get a language going in the app. My parents never taught me. There you go. But yeah, so it's been a very, very learning experience for me.

You know, just having to, you know, I've always been curious. So when the contracts came and where certain things came to sign certain deals, you know, I was all about it. I wanted to read it. I wanted to learn it as much as I could. Yeah. That's some advice I wish I got back in a day. Man. I was lucky that I met a lot of people in the music industry before I had a band,

before I had a real band. Who'd you meet? I mean a girl named Laura Porter. Okay. I met Diana Cass, Melissa Dragich. All these people worked for different major record companies. And I was really good friends with them, and they gave me a lot of advice.

It seems it worked. Yeah. Thank God, man. And Laura Porter was a girl who was helping us out in the beginning. Rest in peace, she passed away a few years ago. She really guided us on, you know, what to look out for. And she was one who advised us on this Ross Robinson contract. She's like, you know, we need to take it to a real lawyer.

So that's what we did. And the lawyer's like, you're not going to own anything. if you sign this contract. So we didn't sign it. Just from that and as being curious, that may be even more curious, like what am I getting myself into? You know,

am I giving everything away? You know, what do I got to do? So I started asking the lawyer a lot of questions, like, what does this mean? What does this mean? What does that mean? And you just learn along the way.

And of course, contracts have changed a lot in the years. Yeah. A lot. And still changing. Yes, still changing. And there's definitely still behind. Yeah.

Yep. Nowadays, record companies take your money from your YouTube, from different streams. Streams, yeah. Oh, my goodness. I understand the streams, but I don't know if I'll let them touch the YouTube. Well, technically they do when they own the songs. So technically they do. Because if you try to post like a play-through or anything like that. Well, you can do a Taylor Swift thing. You can go back and re-record your own songs. and then put it out. That's what she did.

It's kind of too much, though, right? It's a lot. I guess. It's a lot, dude. I mean, when you got that kind of money, go for it. Yeah. You already have that kind of money and you're going to redo your songs.

Come on. Well, she did it so she can own her songs. Yeah. She can own the recording suit. Technically, the record company only owns your mastering. The masters. The recorded songs, those recorded songs. Yes.

That's what they own. But if you go re-record it and don't use any. anything from those master tapes go re-record it you can you can collect the money off that but how does that apply to live songs because uh i'll try to post something us playing live i was doing some some experiments where okay so you get the song okay fucking you're gonna post you know shock live with you know pete and and milo and then but you post it and you it on YouTube, but then when it comes to a point where

it's this going to be monetized, it says no. That because somebody might have, somebody else might be monetizing your YouTube. Are you talking about the suicide silence from YouTube? Are you talking about your personal YouTube? Suicide sounds. Somebody else might be monetizing it. That's where it gets weird.

So you might want to check it out. I filmed it, though. I've been doing some weird experience, experiments. I'll film it with like a girl pro, earning a plan live. Have you gone into your YouTube and checked out how it's monetized? Yes. And it won't

let me? Somebody else has got it. But those aren't the masters, though. It doesn't matter. If somebody else is controlling your YouTube, they're the ones who's going to get it or block it or however, whatever they want to do. I wonder if there is something there that

we don't know. It's fucked up. So nobody in your band knows. we're uh we've been kind of trying Ernie doesn't know No no none of us no shit dude We read our first contract Fucking last month dude

We're not we don't know what's going on dude But I mean Do you know it's really shown that That you Without knowing Like you really lay down like the foundation To where we're at now With like your band is this

They're guys are on fire again I'm a veteran Yeah I mean it's veteran I'm a veteran Yes fat yeah But you know a long time ago, Dave Mustaine gave me a lot of advice too.

Way back when I was 18 years old, when I met him at a place that I worked at. At the sandwich shop? It's a sandwich shop, exactly. So he's giving me a lot of advice. What was the best piece of advice that Dave gave you? Network and always try to be in control of your stuff. But he said network.

That was the first thing, network. So that's what I did. I went out and networked, went to concerts, started meeting musicians, meeting people who work at record companies just started hosting parties at my apartment inviting these people and eventually the people started coming

and it was great just hanging out knowing all the all the drug dealers around you know that's important exactly for the people who like to do drugs yes exactly I'm not I'm not into that but that is crazy I helped facilitate that in some ways right

and I just gave everybody a place to hang out and party and have a good time. Bands, anyone that might be a part of the... Music industry, exactly. It got to the point where, like, there would be a band that would be coming into town or maybe a couple of guys from bands would come into town because they had to do maybe publicity,

you know, a publicity tour, you know? They had to come into L.A. for interviews and stuff like that. So the record company people were always like, what do we do? We got these two guys from... We got these two guys from Paradise Lost. We've got these couple of guys from Carcass. What do we do? How do we entertain them?

Bringing him my house. So I was meeting the guys from Carcass, Paradise Lost, Napalm Death, I mean, numerous of bands. Early 90s. Early 90s. In late 80s, early 90s. Devin Townsend, when he was in Steve Eyes Band, just all kinds of people coming over my apartment. Shannon Hoon from Blind Allen, everybody from Slayer, you know. Sepulah, Napalm, to everybody.

Was at my apartment at one point? What the fuck? Yeah. That is crazy. Just partying, having a good time. And that would be the DJ. What would you play? Just everything.

Everything from what was popular at the time, even if it was like, I mean, everything from, like, early stuff that was coming out of the Manchester scene. I didn't play metal, because you had metal guys that they don't always want to hear metal. They just want to hear something different. Yeah. So I would play different stuff. Mm-hmm. That was cool. Yeah.

That was it. Do you know that is so smart, dude. Does have people come by? You have like this endless knowledge and inspiration around you. Yeah. And so, you know, that's what Dave was saying. It's a network. And so that's what I was like, okay, network.

That's what that's, that's how I did it. Well, you're also a doer. So when Fear Factory did our first demo, I was shopping it around already. Hmm. I was going to meet. I already knew everybody. I didn't know the owners of the label, but I knew the people worked there.

So I connected with them to introduce me to the owners and then play them our tape. And we got turned down by everybody. You got turned down? Yeah. Everybody? Pretty much. Even Roadrunner turned us down in the beginning.

Damn. Yeah. And then those are two demos right there, early demos. That's the cover So yeah they turns down And it wasn't until the Ross Robinson demo That we got a lot of attention Because I played it for Max from Sepuletura

He heard it He told Monty And Monty's like Yeah I already turned that band down No you got No you have to hear new demo It's good New demo's great

You have to hear it And so Monty's like Okay And so Monty called me up He's like Max is telling me about this demo What's going on you know It's a great impression

I'm like well here you go And so like, that was how we got signed pretty much. Did you get discouraged when, I was like, man, everyone said no to me. What the fuck am I going to do now? No, I didn't get discouraged. I was like, okay, we need to get better. We need to go back and make better demos, better songs, better recordings, blah, blah, you know. How much of, how much did Ross, how much did Ross Robinson help you kind of shape the sound?

I would say zero. Really? It's just like he basically just helped get it onto sounding good. Yeah. Yeah. Especially with what you guys were doing at the time. I mean, he tracked us and he did create a vibe for our singer a little bit. And I think he was still learning as well. He was still learning as it was going compared to what he did a few years later when he did the corn stuff. So it was still a learning process from.

We were probably maybe the second band he's might have recorded. Second or third band maybe at that time. That's pretty crazy, dude. Yeah, there might be something I'm missing. I mean, he did one of my demos of another band back in 87. No. Yeah. Then he did obviously his detente record, detente.

Oh, the taunt, yeah. Yeah. And then he might have did something else, and then he did us. How long have you known, Ross? Since I was like 18 or 19, something like that. I didn't know that it went into the 80s. I mean, we were young. We were young.

We were young. Kids. We were roommates for a while. Yeah. I need the whole family. We'd go to his house. He lived in Barstow, California. I'd go to his house.

We'd go swimming in. There's a pool. You go to the desert and ride land rovers and motorcycles and ATVs and stuff, all kinds of stuff. You're part of that history. Go to the Colorado River. Yeah, we do all that stuff. So you guys are really good friends. I mean, you guys are close friends, man.

Yeah, from way back. yeah. And it's also kind of crazy what ended up happening with what he did with your... Well, it's just business. He was just learning the ropes, learning the business, you know? He was... We were all learning.

We were still in our very early 20s. Raymond or drummer was probably 18, maybe, 17, 18. Why a drummer is always like the youngest? Not Pete. Milo's the youngest in this situation. 36. 36,000.

right? Yep. 25th. I think so. Yeah. You just had a birthday. When's your birthday? 20th of August. Happy birthday.

Thank you. That's sick. What did you guys do? Were you here? No, and I was still in Rome. Oh, wow. Family and friends, yeah. Hmm.

Are you still living out there? Or what's... Technically, yeah. I mean, I still... I want to keep living there because I have my parents, I have my friends, my friends, my pets.

so I but you know it feels good this new I'm really digging this new lifestyle where I get to spend like three you know three two three months home and Rome and three four more months and you know here with the band and touring

it feels good because you get to change a lot and I like change you know so yeah it's it's really it's really good you know it's like working abroad for for three four months and then get back home and and

ground yourself a little bit it's good I'm liking this new lifestyle a lot so we're alive and you're and you're going back and forward to like arguably like some of the most most beautiful places on the planet Rome Italy

we will we we only hear stories we have I have no idea what it's like to grow up there and like the buildings like you have like Vatican City at the Coliseum what was it like being around all all that stuff

well I mean I may sound biased, but you know, I think it's one of the most beautiful places on the world for sure. I mean, we get used to that. So I don't live very close to the Coliseum and the historic area, but it's like 20 minutes driving

30 maybe. I live more on the coast because Rome is on the sea, basically. So I live in the coast area. But, you know, even when I go to Rome, you know, a lot of times I need to go to Rome when I started a conservatory, music conservatory, that was in the historic center. So we,

Romans are pretty used to that. You know, yeah, that's the college human, you know, but when I actually take people, like I had the next girlfriend from Brazil, and she flew to Rome and saw Rome for the first time, and she saw the college student for the first time, and

looking at her face, I realized how big that is, how stunning that is, and I was like, wow, we're really lucky, you know, because we have a lot of, like, that stuff is more than 2,000 years old, you know, and still there. It's crazy, you know. A lot of history. I don't want us on bites about best food

in the world, you know. So, I mean, it's, yeah, I think we're, and I'm, and I'm realizing how lucky I am to being born in Italy just right now that I get to spend a lot of times abroad. I mean, the game I run, I love America. I love everything about America. But, you know, I think it's pretty much the same for each one of us, you know, we get to spend a lot of time. abroad, you know, then we realize how lucky we are because I'm sure every country has got his beauty, you know, in every aspect. So, uh, because we Italians tend to complain a lot about, oh, this is a shitty country, blah, blah, blah, you know, Italians are fucking, you know, Americans are fucking cool, you know, Germans are fucking cool, but Italians are, but, you know,

then when, I never been like super, uh, proud of being Italian, but now I started to be somewhat, you know, kind of, I mean, yeah, proud of being Roman and being Italian because that, you know, when you're abroad, it's cool, you know, you are the black sheep, you know, so in a way. So it's kind of, even like cooking pasta for the guys in general. It makes you feel, it makes you feel like, oh, you know, I can do something. Like in Italy, it's, everyone can do that, you know, bad or good, but, you know, everyone can do that. So it's not, it's not a big deal. But here is, like, it's like, Like, you know, you feel like you're, you know, important somehow.

You know, you can do something good. So, yeah. Yeah, we also have a, let's buy it like a few blocks from my house. We have an Italian market. Mm-hmm. So he's there all the time buying coffee. Pinocchio. It's called Pinocchio.

And he's buying coffee and, I don't know what pasta is. And sauce and all kinds of stuff. Yeah. Ingredients to make, yeah. To make us pasta. Yeah. And I make these guys tacos. Sick.

Yeah. He makes the pasta. I make the tacos. We're still waiting for Pete. Pete makes the drinks, actually. That's true. He makes the drinks. What do you make? Well, on the last tour, I was making jalapeno margaritas.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. I was bartending during the... That sounds great. Yeah, I was bartending during the pandemic for a couple years, so... Got a little shaker skills going on, so hook the guys up. Lepenio margaritas. Yeah, so he was...

He made some margaritas one time. I think it was the first time he made margaritas. Was it Nebraska? Lincoln, yep. Yeah, we had a day off. and so there was another band called Twisted that was parked in front of us Nice

And those guys They're just crazy They're fun Great guys to hang out with fun But he made margaritas And everybody got fucked up So everybody was on top of the bandwagon Dancing

And there was a guy He was probably like 6-5 Pushing a good At least 400 pounds He was on top And he couldn't get down Oh no He fell off the hook

Yeah basically he slid down from the front, from the front. Luckily, he didn't put any dense or break the windshield. But he slid down from the front, boom, it fell in this big old puddle of, it could have been pee because we were dumping toilet's water right there,

you know, so it could have been pee, and he was just all wet, and it was just a hilarious moment because everybody's wasted on his margaritas. Were they doubles, or what's going on? I have a heavy hand, so probably. Shot. He's a hot.

I hear that with a heavy hand. I put my drinks on how I play my drums, do you? Yeah, exactly. Yeah, how's it been for you, Pete, joined the band. It's been awesome, yeah. So, yeah, like you said, done about 60 shows or so, and feeling good and more comfortable as time goes on, playing the songs and stuff, so.

You look comfortable. Yeah, yeah, and like I said, too, I knew a good 10, 15 songs before we even came out, So, um, I even saw Fear Factory in 98 on the obsolete tour back in Massachusetts. My dad dropped me off, me and my buddy. So I've been familiar with the band for, you know, a long time. And, uh, like I said, just cool to get the opportunity. And, um, how old were you when you see this?

I was about 13 or 14. How do you feel, man? Wait, which album? It was obsolete tour. Holy shit. That was, yeah. It was 98, so I was 25 years ago. 13, 10, 14.

24. 25 years ago, 1998. That's right, 25. It's astonishing that. So you were 13, 14? Yep. And it was cool because the last static tour, that was like kind of the same lineup of that tour that I saw 25 years ago. Yeah, because it was

Fear Factory, Satic X, System of a down? Yeah. No, no, no, no. That's a different tour. Head PE. Yeah, okay. This is Spine Chang. This is the tour. I'm surprised Jared didn't mention this tour. Because this was a really great tour. Jared, if you don't

remember, now I'm going to remind you. It was a sick tour. I took all my friends' bands on tour. So it was Fear Factory, headlining, system over down, head PE, Static X, spine shank. That's a lineup.

Every show sold out. Every show. Dude, every band's a fucking headliner, dude. And it was amazing. It was amazing. The first week was a little the first few days was a little tense because everybody didn't so many bands

and just trying to organize every band was a little hard we had to have a little powwow meeting right to saying hey this is how it's going to run this is how it's going to work blah blah blah because there was so many bands and everybody's everybody was setting up their drums

that's on the floor playing and you know the crew was trying to work and get the sound check and everybody's like BC from head pee was playing drums oh wow And my brother goes, because my brother was doing drum teching for us. My brother was like, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, calm down. This ain't guitar center.

And him and BC were like the first, this is like the first few days. They were like ready to throw it down. And we're like, everybody's like breaking it up. And it was like, and then next scene they became best friends. You know, it always happens, right? Yeah. Yeah. So it was great.

A little bit of tension. But after, you know. But the tour fucking went, was smooth. It was fucking amazing after that. It was perfect. Dude, I would die after that tour from all the partying. I believe that was HeadPE's first record. Or maybe the second.

This is 1999. So they're still on their first record. Yeah, still the first. Yeah. Systems on their first record still. It sounds like it took system a while to kind of get off their feet. Yeah. Static X was on their first record. Their first record might not even come out yet.

Just about to drop. spine shake was on their first or second record or first record yeah I'm surprised you were even able to get that line up like a thing you know just asked everybody made it work everybody was from California

everyone was from California but yeah but you know you know how it is like it's trying to book a package it seems like impossible you guys been doing great with packages you guys are always linked up with the right bands thank you

which is actually, I think, helped you in the last couple years. It actually helped you to sustain where you're at, which is really good. Which is what I've been doing, which is what I'm doing now, as the band's going through our rebuilding process, I'm starting to link up with Static X, Lacuna Coil. And I almost said the next band, but I can't say it yet. Yeah, sick. Yeah, I can't say it yet.

I was like, oh, yeah, come on. Give it to me. I'm just kidding. But yeah, it's great. And what was kind of odd about Fear Factory, which I think you actually mentioned it, like last month. Like you weren't really a part of like a subgenre?

No. So you kind of mentioned maybe it might have hurt you or maybe you don't. So when you're rebuilding these, like a rebuilding phase, who are you in tour with? Yeah, we were in a, we were in a kind of an awkward position in a way. because, you know, we didn't know if we fit with extreme bands

or new metal bands or whatever, right? We were just kind of like had our own lane kind of going for a minute. Yeah. Right? Like when our first record came out solving a machine, you know, we were put in the death metal bin. At the record stores, you know, a lot of people, a lot of people listening to this podcast,

probably don't even know what a record store is or a CD is, you know what I mean? There used to be places where you could go to the store. store and buy vinyl cassettes and CDs and we were and everything was listed as categories so in the category yeah the category yeah so we were listed under death metal on the first record so that's where we were

at but we thought we were in our minds we were a little bit outside of the box of the death metal box we were trying to carve our own niche and then by the second record we just completely had her own sound we actually were

kind of being taken out of death metal category and put into like the like alternative I'm sorry more the metal category not necessarily in the death metal category amount so we kind of grew out they they kind of places outside of that this is the record label to do this not us yeah the record company's doing this then by the third record we were in the alternative rock by obsolete we were in the alternative rock category we were considered alternative metal Alternate metal. Yes.

It's way too heavy. Yeah, and it was like, well, you know, you kind of look at it. We had songs like descent, resurrection. Yeah. That didn't sound like they were fucking, you know, metal. Like, it came from solventy machine. We grew into another. We've always tried to adapt to what was going on.

We try to answer to what was going on in our own way. We just try to be as artistic as possible. you know and try to stand out and I think that because of that we weren't necessarily just looped into one category and some people didn't know where to put us or how to look at us, you know what I mean?

But of course, you know, in 98 when Obst League came out, we took all those bands, all those so-called new metal bands. But it still made sense. Totally made sense. It all worked really well. It worked perfect. That tour was just one of my favorites.

One of my favorites. Besides touring with Metallica. Of course. My goodness. You know, but that was one of my favorite tours that we've ever put, package that we put together. It's cool because it works now as well. Because now you go out of Saddickax and kill it.

That means system would have to headline now. Oh, yeah. And we'd be under that and then head peed. Actually, no, static X would be pretty high up there too. Because their first record sold a billion copies. So they sold a lot of records. Damn, we have a platinum record or a gold record. I can't imagine.

We just missed that era, dude, of like, just selling it's all. Yeah, it just sold 500,000. Well, you guys kind of combined a little bit of that era. I mean, you guys were definitely, some of your wrists were very much influenced by the new metal race, but you guys just made it heavy as fuck. Of course. Yeah. You stole stuff from Kennel Corp, stole stuff from corn, stole stuff from you,

and kind of put it on the one thing. Yeah. You know, happy eating its spine shanks, you know, just kind of all put it in one, it's been the heaviest fuck. Yeah. You know? Yeah.

And now this, now we have a term for it, you know? What do you call it? I guess it's called death core, right? But at the time, I mean, that the word didn't exist. I was curious, like what, uh,

because people didn't put a term or word to fear factory, but they kind of expressed that in a different way. It was, okay, where are we going to put this fucking CD in the category? I think Death Core kind of came from obviously Death Metal and Core being hardcore because you guys put, because bands like you guys put breakdowns. A lot of hardcore. Like, you know, Orange County throw down hardcore, you know. Yeah.

But before that, early breakdowns that I heard, the first, even before Dying Fetus or all those other bands, was suffocation. Mm. Mm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Double bass. Yeah. Yeah.

You got to go back and listen to some early suffocation. I know, man. That was like pre-Dy and fetus and all that stuff. Because dying fetus has got great breakdowns. We did Frank's last tour with Suffocation in Europe with Havoc for years ago. Did you? Yeah. Damn, how is that?

It was awesome. Yeah, he's super nice guy. Great front man. He's this funny as shit and just says it like this. That's his death chop. Yeah. Frank's a funny guy, man. Yes.

He brings it on stage. It's great. When he just starts talking shit on stage, I love it. it. Fucking kill somebody in that fucking East Coast accent. God. It's fucking badass.

Terrence is awesome too. And so you guys were just like all breakdown in the beginning. Blast beat. It's going to the breakdowns. Yeah. I guess we had an accident like having those two extreme dynamics.

Go from a blast beat out of nowhere. This over-to-top breakdown. Yeah. It's kept doing it again and again. There was a band. There was a band they called himself ghetto grind. They were called Enemy. That's a great banning, man.

So they would mix death metal, rapping, and breakdowns. Wow. What year was this? Not that... There still exist. Enemy? N-M-E, yeah. Wait, M-M-E.

N as in Nancy. M is in metal. Oh, oh, shit. Oh, shit. Oh, yeah. Ernie. This is a band I never jammed, ever. But I see...

They called himself ghetto grind. Sometimes they throw a little bit of rapping in between. Dude, they open up a show for us. Check it out. They open up a show for us. And in front of the kick drum, they put, you know, back in the day when you had rims, in the middle of the rims, it would spin.

On the kick drum? So they had a 22-inch rim that was in front of the kick drum, and it would spin. Two of them. That is sick. Ghetto grind. Ghetto grind. It was sick.

Pete, you need some rims, dude. I really do. The FFs that spin around Yeah, I'd be sick as fuck The faster you play double bass, the faster the rim spins That will be sick as fuck, dude So this is it Yep

When they come out Years ago They used to be called They have another band called Lepra Which is like, I think it's kind of like Leprosy Huh 84

84 It was being born yet Yeah. It's just born. Yeah. Enemy three. They've been around for a long time. They've,

whenever Ossasino plays, they've opened. They're banned from the whiskey. They can't play the whiskey. They're banned there. What happened? Too many fights. Too many fights. Brutal.

You've probably, they throw it down hardcore, and their fans throw it down hardcore. Yeah, you're probably drawing on so many different types of people and you put them all under a little. Ghetto grind, bro. That's what they call it.

Surprise that. No one else has coined that term. It's a pretty sick. It is cool. It's a great term. All right, so we established that we need rims on on ball kick drums. No wonder, we go one F and then the other F.

There you go. Oh, my goodness, dude. Just attach it to the trigger unit. You know, how we're doing on time? We're in a, hour 16 in. That quick already? Yeah, it's gone. Oh, my God. We, I feel like we haven't even talked about anything. That flew by, dude.

we have i mean okay we have some time though yeah you good yeah so check it out so Pete is originally from Boston yeah but he moved to Denver to be playing a banical havoc

so now I'm trying to get him moved to L.A what do you think I need to be rich first L.A. is it is expensive very expensive well I actually just moved back in with my aunt to save

money because because I'm going to be doing both bands. I'm just going to be on the road so much I was like, this is my year or two to save as much as I can. And then I can figure out what I want to do from there. Yeah. Have we thought about maybe not obviously not going in LA, but maybe like

the outskirts or maybe it's somewhere among the valley or something? I don't know. I haven't really thought about it too much. But yeah, I wouldn't want to be like in LA proper. There's no way. I can't, I hate the traffic. So he's from the States. We can kind of live anywhere.

But Milo is obviously from Italy. He doesn't want to leave that. So I get it. You know, he wants to go back home. One of the toughest things ever for an Italian to move abroad is food. Because we're so used to that. Not just the recipes, which you can make it here as well with ingredients and stuff. But, you know, the overall food quality because...

The food quality, you're right. Yeah, like the ingredients quality, you know, because we're so used to, like, fresh things. you know, that unfortunately, every time I come back to America, my body has to readap to it, which at first it's a little bit, you know, not nice, but, you know, so that's one of the main reason, but, you know, there are plenty of them actually, you know, of course, I'm getting, you know, I'm getting older, my parents are getting old as well, so I, you know, as I grew up,

I want to spend as time as possible with them. and also friends and you know I think we talented not all of us but a lot of us are pretty much attached to our roots and our you know motherland so as much as I love being in LA in America you know touring but it's cool to go back so yeah I mean and it's all like Pete mentioned California is really expensive so and American generally is even more expensive so and American generally is even more expensive. expensive in Italy. So, you know, when I first heard, and I wanted to get an American SIM, for instance, you know, American SIM card. But when I heard, it was like 50 to 70 bucks in month,

I was like, what? I could get a phone plan for like eight bucks. Wait, what? He only pays $400 rent for one bedroom apartment. That's the average. For us, it's like $2,000. Yeah, we'll pay $400 a day. Yeah.

So he's also really lucky because this guy eats more than me and Pete put together, and he just, like, does not gain weight. He can eat bread, pasta, fucking tortillas, whatever, and this guy does not gain weight. What's the secret? Genetics. I think he's bodies used to the pasta out there and the bread, you know. Bread, yeah.

Carbs, a lot of carbs. They eat carbs are crazy. I look at a piece of bread and I get fat. It's fucked up, dude. But also, the fact is that I was just watching a real, an Instagram real, like, yesterday, was this girl, an American girl, was like, yo, Italians, you have to explain what's the secret? Because I ate a whole pizza.

Because in Italy, a pizza, like, you would eat one person is like this big. You know, when we had a pizza, I got what I would get in Italy. And, you know, it was like, that's a four people pizza. I was like, no, that's average size. Yeah, we and we were in like small and medium pizzas, like personal pizzas. Oh, yeah. He heard a large. I'm like, dude, do you know, large is like, you know, it's like four people could share that shit.

Yeah, yeah, whatever. I eat it. I'm like, okay. So he, he ate the whole thing. He ate the whole pizza? A large pizza. But the thing is, you know, like this girl was just wandering on this Instagram real. It was like, why did I, why could I eat the whole pizza and not feeling bloated or, you know, heavy?

and the reason is that our carbs are healthier because it's all like fresh and stuff like that so of course we're used to eat a lot of carbs but they are you know

less processed I think so of course here you feel a little bit more but I can still do that I mean maybe I'm not going to eat the whole pizza maybe I're going to left one slice

but you know that's not that yeah I'll eat one slice is fine it's going to be left over you'll eat the leftover slice you mean yeah Yeah, I've left over his lives.

But, yeah, I mean, that's... Like, we go to restaurants. He's ordering, like, three or four entree, like big plates. I'm like, dude, you realize they're big. Oh, yeah, I eat it. I eat it. I'm like, oh, okay. Okay.

It was like $80 at the sushi. Yeah, he had $80 with the food. We're like, you know, me and him, like, $25. He got an $80 bill. So this is another thing. First time I would be into the sushi. So, at least in Rome, but I think pretty much in Italy and... Europe as well, we have all you can eat

sushi. They're really popular. Like 90% of sushi restaurants are all you can eat basically. So you put like 20, 25 bucks per person and you eat whatever you want till you fucking explode, you know? And so when Dino was like, let's get some sushi, I was like, fuck yeah, I love sushi.

And I thought it was all you can eat. But then, you know, the check was like fucking 70, 80 bucks. And I was like, don't you guys have all you can eat? It was like, no, come on, we're in L.A. I was like, oh shit. Yeah, they don't give you all All you can eat sushi out here

They don't, yeah You had to get the fuck out of LA To get maybe even get that option Yeah, but he was calling it something else He was like, never ending sushi Like never ending sushi What'd you call it? Never ending sushi

Yeah, no, Michael, it's called All You Can Eat here or a buffet It was What was that word? It was just a way he described it I'm like, what's that? You mean all you can eat? Yeah, he's another word

It doesn't come by my mind right now. But yeah, it was something like... Inless sushi or bottomless sushi or nonstop something. Yeah, something like that. Nonstop sushi. Yeah, something like that. Sick, dude. We got to get some nonstop tacos.

And this guy eats like sweets like crazy. Like I bought a thing of gum, right? It's like a little... The ice cubes. The ice cubes. They're little cubes of gum. Yeah. I've had it there for like a year.

It just take one once in a while, right? it's one of the very first day he's like AM all I'm like Where do my gum go And he would Yeah I'll

I'll replace it And then he replaces it And then he eats that one Oh wow That's sick Well will drummers burn He's got a sweet too Yeah

He's just constantly burning Yeah It's like well How do you think I do these double kicks You know you fuck I need gummy bears Yeah Gummy bears too

Oh yeah Love them What's your favorite candy Probably those Haribos Or the life's favorite gummies Haribos? Yeah, like those

Debt German company Debt does the gummy bears Oh, okay Yeah What is that? That looks like a little, is it a little bear? Little bears,

yeah, those are probably my favorite. I'm always, I see these, I'm like, who eats these drummers do, right? I sure do, for sure.

Oh, no, no, we had one of his buddies bring a whole thing of a whole basket and it was all sweet. Yeah, so on my Twitch show I would like, you know,

to snack on stuff and it normally normally would be the same stuff like beef jerky or these, food snacks or things like that in one of my Twitch moderators, who's Twitch moderator is basically

someone who kind of helps me control the channel in the chat and stuff, but they brought me an entire bowl full of just snacks and all sorts of stuff and yeah, it was a lot. But it was awesome. How big can my triceps get?

Yeah. You got to be careful with those, though. You eat too many of those. It's not nice on your stomach. no fuck that dude yeah I mean you feel like shit

yeah I love candy too but you gotta stop at some point yes yeah so yeah so they both live with me while they're here so that's why I know

all these little things like that because you know he's constantly eating I'm sorry you don't got done right now in his pocket I know you're right

yeah we took out all the snacks well we have what we had those muffins the beer muffins out there I'm okay this guy's all about the muffins and the croissons I love muffins

well we have a oh yeah we have we have you have your writer out there. Wow. Because, you know, I'm in the morning making chorizo or whatever, and he's like, oh, no, I want the croissant, the muffin, whatever, you know. I need something sweet with a coffee. Is it nearly the typical Italian breakfast is sweet.

It's a cappuccino with a croissant, which we call cornetto. It's basically like a croissant or biscuits with a lot of biscuits in our cappuccino or espresso or whatever. And then Pete's more like. Just eating cereal with his hand, like, Oh, my gosh. I miss eating cereal for breakfast. No, not with milk. I'll eat it dry.

Put it in a cup, eat it dry, like. All the time. That's your breakfast? I mean, I just did got milk this time. I do not mind dry cereal, yeah. Yeah, it feels like a snack to me. I think that's the drummer's secret, right? I'm a big snacker.

So, hey, you got your own coffee now? Yeah, we got the one coffee, dude. Let me see it. Nice. We got to try it. Nice. It's between medium and dark gross, which is my personal favorite. Did you make a shirt of that yet?

I want to. You should make a shirt of that. Can we do it? That's what Zach said. Can we do with the mocha as well? Yeah. Who's in the back? That's me.

Right there? Yeah. That's me. Looks like Tony Iommi. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, now I see the purple hair. I didn't see the purple hair right there in the bottom. I've seen.

And those are past, so basically, those are past podcast guests that are dead. So when you have purple hair, how come you have a purple guitar? I'm trying. I've been trying for the past year. Do you like prints? I don't, but I'm basically borrowing his color. Totally. Purple rain.

Yeah. Do you play that before you go on? Purple rain? No. It's cool. It's noticing that a lot of metal guys are putting up coffee businesses, you know, like ACE you from, from dope, has his own coffee business as well. I think it's really cool, you know, like this metal coffee link.

Well, because ex-band members are usually ex-addicts. Correct. You're looking at one. I haven't done cocaine in about 10 years. Oh, so you were a big cocaine? Yeah. I didn't know that. Yeah.

Coke a lot and then a lot of drinking, like the blacked-out drinking. Did it fuck up your nose at all? No. I know people who don't have cart. I know people who don't have cartilage in the middle. Oh, that was suck. Because it burned off with all this coke they did. And speed.

Coke and speed, bro. That'll just... Man. Yep. Well, we got fucked because my first time doing cocaine was, we were in Columbia. So you have the best. Then you come back up here. Say, well, where is that?

Then you're chasing this impossible dragon. Yeah, you know, everything here is cut with baby laxatives or whatever. You know, whatever they're cutting it with. Fet and all now. Oh, now. I would not do drugs now. I don't, I would not touch it. I feel bad for anybody's doing those drugs nowadays, man.

Fuck that, dude. Some of them instant death, you know. Well, if you're looking for that effect, caffeine, it's healthier for sure. Totally. It's like this, like, it can make my life better as opposed to destroy my life. You know, this is better for the riffs. I've only started drinking coffee like really a couple years ago. A couple years ago?

That's it. What did you do in the morning? Nothing. Drink water. You got up and drank water. Yeah. Fuck. I don't drink coffee either.

Or like a protein shake or something like that. Meal replace her. Yeah, my muscle milk stuff has caffeine. Oh yeah, he's all about muscle milk. Dude, classic. Fucking muscle milk, bro. Muscle milk, bro. Fucking Fear Factory, dude.

Come on. Yeah, but it has caffeine in the protein. The muscle milk? Mm-hmm. Does it really? Muscle milk has caffeine in it? Hey, Jake, can we pull up the label somehow? Dang, muscle milk has caffeine in it?

Do you drink it too? No. Oh, okay. But you said you used to go to the gym, right? I still go. You still go? Yeah. But Musa Mocas, I think it tastes too good.

What else? Oh my gosh. So some of it does some of it. That's a lot of caffeine. $125? I don't have the one that has like the extra caffeine, but. That's a lot. Is that extra caffeine right there?

Yeah, that's like an actual like. Don't, don't. You're getting called out now. Don't fucking. Copy house, okay. 125 is a lot because that's like basically. like a cup of coffee. So which one do, that's just a 120. That's the coffee version. So I don't know. I had an ex-singer that would drink that stuff and he'd always blame like, oh, I can't sing today because I got diarrhea of what?

Muscle milk. Ew. You're having way too much of it at that point. Yeah, probably. I don't know. It doesn't do that to me. That's because you got all the candy blocking, all the jelly. That's true. All the gummies blocking. that that's true what should we uh do you know am i uh am i missing anything just we got a lot of lot of touring coming up a lot of touring so go to fearfactory dot com for all the tickets and tour dates and all the above um and uh pete's gonna join chipperdills by the way and then we'll see you there well with that body

that's sick dude that's fucking badass and me though uh look for his pizza sauce at the merge table Sinatra pizza sauce dude There you go Does Chippendale still exist Oh yeah dude

I remember they had a show In Corona like a few months ago I got a good story for you Is that Pete in there? Pete Pete down on that I got a good story for you So

In the very very very very beginning of Fear Factory Right I joined Raymond's band Because Raymond had a band called Extreme Death. Right?

It's a horrible name. Yep. To me it's a horrible name, but whatever. Extreme death. Yeah. There's already a million deaths out there. Yeah. And we had this singer for a minute.

I wanted to join Raymond's band because the band I was in, I quit because I saw Raymond play drums. I go, I need to play with that guy. I need to play with that guy. That guy can just got the feet. So I need to jam with him. So Raymond goes, well, you can. can join my, I'm not going to leave my band, but you can join my band because we need a guitar player.

So I'm like, okay, so I joined his band for like a week, right? Until his singer came in one day. And he goes, guys, I can't sing in the band anymore. And I was like, what's going on? He goes, well, I got a really good job with Chivendales. Oh, God. So he was dancing with Chippendales, bro. That's amazing.

And in the back of my mind, I was going, yes. Oh. Because. You could steal him now. I could take Raymond and fucking make a band And that's exactly what we did So I got the singer already And so I got Bert and I brought him into the band

Chippendales helped start Fear Factory They sure did They did I never looked at it now way We uncovered something so historic in new metal And metal Wow Chimendales started fear factory Chippinales helped Create Fear Factory

There you go That's the best thing That's me right there and that's Pete Oh My goodness. Dear fact, Responser by. Chris Fawley was one of my favorite comedians, man.

Oh, yeah. By far. What a legendary comedian, dude. Legend. There's nobody like him. Nobody. But John Candy. John Candy was similar.

Yeah. John Candy, who's that? He did those, like, vacation movies and stuff. Plains, trains, and automobiles? Plains, trains, and automobiles? Oh, okay, got it. He was in the Blues Brothers, right? Yeah, I had to see a picture.

Yeah, yeah. He always liked those ones. We did like summer vacations with his families, too. It's not, there's another guy that does it too. Chris Farley was more an extreme version of John Candy because John Candy didn't do Uncle Buck. Yeah. Physical comedy.

Yeah. Whereas Chris Farley would land on a table and just destroy it. You know what I mean? He would do stuff like that. It was also in, what's the name with that? Beverly Hills Ninja. You got to watch that one. Oh, that's great.

Tommy Boy. Time Boy's great. Black Sheep? A lot of movies. What's the name of the director that did, The Spaceball? John Canney was in that one. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I can't remember the director. George Brooks? Mel Brooks? Mel Brooks. Mel Brooks. I think he was in a lot of movies by Mel Brooks. Love those movies, though. Maybe.

Sick. Yeah, Mel Brooks is hilarious. Like Robin Hood. And... So this is your 100th episode, is that correct? Thank you, Dino, for bringing it up. This is the 100th episode ever recorded, and this will also be posted in October as the 100th episode. And I asked you earlier, am I the person who's only appeared on your show three times?

I think you are the first and the only person that has appeared more than twice. Thank you. Wow. And I want to publicly say, Dino. Oh, there go. But hold on. I do have something, but I don't have it here, but I want to give it to you. Okay.

So you can hang it up. What do you got? Obsolete skateboard. Really? Yeah. Oh, that'd be sick. We get hanging up in a new spot. We're going to move in tomorrow.

I'll give it to you for your first anniversary present for you and your lady. Thank you. Appreciate that. Well, yeah, do you know, I got a total... Oh, my fourth anniversary. Sorry. Yes, four years. It's going to be four years in two days.

Crazy. But yeah, you gave me my first shot. You were episode number 10, my first big guest. Remember you walked in? You're like, so you haven't anyone famous yet? In my head, I was like, yeah, you're the first one. And you were telling stories. That was my first time.

Like, oh, I'm getting like some real stories and trying, like, my first time navigating that kind of conversation. Yeah, and your lady was helping you do it. in your garage. Yeah, it was crazy. I think you had Ross Robinson right after that, a little bit after that.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Ross and then Meeks right after that one was nice. Meeks. Yeah, it was sick.

Nice. So you kind of taught me, really taught me to start, okay, this, how do you navigate these, these stories? It took me a long time, you know?

So, so thank you for giving me a shot, you know? Yes, I noticed that your podcasts are getting better and better and better and just keeps growing and growing. Congratulations. Thank you.

Yeah. It's like just sitting there just like ripping all day and finally. Oh, wait. It doesn't suck as bad as it did last year. So is that one of your guitars right there? Yeah.

Let's see it. Oh. I actually followed. So this is one that you play live? This is the only one to play live. This is the only one. It's a seven string stradocaster. That's a seven string.

It's not your stick, is it? No, but I'm trying. I'm trying to get better to do a seven string, man. It's just been tough. You're not actually been following all of your podcasts, either with Dino, you know, Ross, makes, etc. Thanks, man. And I always, you know, like I said before, I'm a huge YouTube freak of my favorite band.

So every time this is an interview, it sounds like that. I watch all of it. You know, it could last like two hours and I could watch all of it. So, and I was always looking at that guitar. I was like, one, two, three, four, five, six. Is it seven string stradocaster? Oh my God. That's awesome.

I think it's so, I think it's still new to people. People look at him, oh, that, that can't be a seven. And then you assume it's a six string. Yeah, right. Yeah, it's crazy. I was wondering, is that a custom made? or do they don't put this out no it's not out i'm trying i'm trying hard but this it's so it's so perfect i don't see why they wouldn't i remember we had that meeting what happened to those seven

strings that we're going to put out oh no covid hit oh it did hit huh and i don't know just should just changed right stopped everything yeah yeah things yeah things really really changed i'm trying to get a fender on board with the seven strings to get me uh get me uh A signature. That would be insane. I think a reverse headstock would be dope. That's right. I think so?

Sure. Hold on. So this is the one you actually play live. I play it every day. Yeah. Live. But you take it on tour with you? Yeah, of course.

How many do you have? It's one. One? I'm trying to make... That's all they made you is just one? Yeah. To get this one took a lot, dude. It took a lot.

If you see the first two, frets they're there's they're fucked up because I don't need the first two frets what do you mean oh there yeah they're fucking big old dents so I'm getting some really bad buzz where oh on the on the actual yeah on the actual fret yeah I got to get a every fret job do you tune to drop a drop a yeah nice I'm I know somebody I know somebody will do it for cheap yeah yeah good job I knew a couple guys yeah but try if they don't if they don't do it for you I know somebody will. Do you ever go to the, that they have a place in Corona?

Yeah. So I'm trying to get it. Do you ever go there and do it? Of course. I'm trying to make it to where they're making me a second one. Then I could get that one fixed at the same time. But that's my brain plan. I'm trying. I hope they give you one because it's such a cool guitar. I'm trying, man. You know, ironically, the very first...

Ironically? Ironically? Ironically. Ironically. Ironically. Ironically. So it does steal fuck up. I'm sorry for my English,

but it's still in the perfectioning process. Yeah. I apologize. If I sound a little bit like this sometimes. But ironically, the very first guitar that I picked up was my dad's straddle because both my parents are musicians

and my dad's like a blues kind of guy. He plays electric too, but mostly a finger style acoustic. And he had a strato. So the first time that I picked up a guitar with his straddle and I would tune them down to B to play first you know like Fear Factory stuff

and and it sounded good you know even turned down with very thin strings you know because he had the twangy thing going on so what's your backup guitar if that's your only seven string I have a Jim root strat

is it is it a six string yeah and what do you how do you just tune that one down to you take out the high E I don't use a high E man come on yeah yeah I know yeah well it's too bad they don't make it more because that's that's a great looking guitar

thank you I'm trying reverse headstock would be even dope too I might try that next time people have been pushing the reverse headstock also the bat headstock too people haven't wanted to try it the what? Like the 70s headstock

it's badder it's like a bat headstock yeah but the drum root has has the 70s headstock oh so it's bigger yeah I see I don't want to like it but yeah no I think

think this is perfect. But I think a reverse headstock would be dubbed because I don't think there's not a lot of of them like that. It's true. Is there any, look up, look up, uh, Fender Reverse headstocks. See if there's anything. Reverse. People sell them off market.

They're probably bootlegged. That's a custom. This is one of the most bootleg guitars. This and Gibson are the most bootleg guitars. Really? Oh yeah. Yeah, you got to do a lot to make sure it's, uh, authentic. It's got a lot of people.

Oh, people, people. People, I mean, you can buy them in China for like 100 bucks, 50 bucks, yeah. Damn, I got a real offender. I had a real Gibson. No, actually, you got fucked. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And some of them are so good, you don't tell, you can't tell a difference. Really?

Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's kind of like sneakers when people bootlegs sneakers. I don't know if you know about that. I'm a sneaker head, so there's a lot of bootlegs out there. That's why I only buy my shoes at the actual website. I just got these Adidas. My Adidas walking through concert halls.

The most new metal shoe of all time. I got it. You fucks. The shellto. The shellto. You know, how many people back in the 90s and 2000s were wearing these exact shoes? Hundreds, thousands, millions. Yeah.

Because, well, it was a scene. It was a look. It was a look. Plus, Adidas actively went out and got bands. Like, they approached us. Did they? Oh, they gave us boxes and boxes and boxes. Holy moly.

Yeah. I wore the shoes. And maybe a shirt, like the black one with the three stripes. Yeah. And that's about it. That's where all those bands were wearing Adidas. Yeah. Because they were actively out there.

But they would give us boxes. And I was like, okay, I don't want to look like corn because corn popularized it in the metal genre. I just want to look like that. Yeah. So I only wore the shoes or maybe one of the shirts. That was it. Did you wear these? They did make a shower, what do they call them?

Shower robes. So when you get out of the shower, has your name, Adidas logo. Really? Yeah. Is you still have it? No. You gave it away? You gave it away?

Yeah. Oh, that, I would have kept that shit for a life. I probably would have took it to my grave. Now, I wish I had it. Yeah. Back then, I was like, it was just like another, because there was a lot of clothing companies that were just giving people stuff. Sunglass companies.

Sure. Even Calvin Klein was giving away stuff. No. And guess what? I can never wear it. Why? Too big. None of that shit fit me.

Calvin Klein was more for skinny guys like you guys, you know? and I couldn't wear it. They didn't make no double X and 3X and they didn't make shit like that. So all I could wear is like glasses and that's about it. So everybody was approaching you guys.

Not just us, a lot of bands. That's a time that we'll never understand where like mainstream companies were approaching like the metal bands. Do you remember a sunglass company called Blackflies? No. They were from Huntington Beach.

They were called Black, Blackfly. they were giving them out like crazy. Like I would get boxes of that. Oh, I never seen these before in my life. They look like, you know, they look like totally Huntington Beach, you know, dude. This is Barry Huntington Beach, for sure. Yeah. And I was like, they were giving us like crazy and I'd wear them all the time.

And then, um, a band called, I mean a clothing company called Rubber Soul, I think they were called or Soul something. Gave us much of stuff. And then a DVS, a skateboard company called DVS. D.V.S. Yeah. That was a very big. I had like, I had like fucking a hundred pairs of those shoes. It was insane. They were just giving shit away.

Oh, yeah. Crazy. Crazy shirts. I don't know. Killer shirts. People were starting, like, you ever heard of tribal? Of course. From San Diego. Yes.

They gave us all, just companies were just, all these companies were just sprouting out and they're just giving them to all the bands to wear on stage. And I think Adidas kind of started that with corn. Right? and other bands and then it just kind of blew up and then so all these other companies were starting their own little merch

companies and they were just giving street stuff to all the musicians all the musicians yeah that's probably why Pony was kind of everywhere for like like six months ohsiris the company called Cyrus yeah Osiris shoes just all kinds of

I had so much stuff I had so many our old bass player had literally built a rack like you know those racks you buy a hardware store you put it together you got a bunch of racks like it's like shelving you would get for like your warehouse yeah he had that in his house stacks of shirts and still in the plastic i'll wear this one today yeah take it out what a time but i would just buy i would buy like dickies you know dickies t-shirt they put out the black black shirt and white shirt whatever i would just

buy a ton of those like boxes of them for nothing for cheap and then I would just wear them every day white white dicky shirt I'm done with it wear a couple days throw it away get another one they were like you know like back there was like I don't know five bucks each oh yeah yeah it was like nothing you know it's cost like nothing hmm and I would do that while I was on tour just wear those shirts all the time black or black ones or white ones then I would I would have um the only adidas that I dig it that I still have is the first Kobe Kobe Brian when he first went with Adidas, he released these shoes

called the Crazy 8s, because his number was 8. Yeah. And I still have those shoes. That's sick. Yeah. What year was that? What the fuck are those? I had those too, yep. I wore those. Oh, wow. The 1996 Ausfest, you could probably see a live video be wearing those shoes. 96 Osfest.

90s. 96, 97, I'm sorry, 97 Ossfest. Who will always play that year? Pantera, Marilyn Manson. there's Bert Bert looking good dude YouTube has everything

if you if you look you go find a certain show that that's just the interview right there Alfredo All right I'm gonna try to find these shoes then

there you go look at what am I wearing there What shoes are It's we found it It could be It's just regular Adidas I think

Yeah There's black DECDs T-shirt. Fuck. Oh, those are the campus, I think they're called. Yeah.

They're just standard campuses. It was campuses and the shut toes are massive. Yeah, the campus

really messed up my feet because they were flat, they were flat and my feet has an arch. Yeah. And so having

flat shoes jumping up and down like that, oh man, messed up my feet. Fuck, it sucks. Fear Factory,

Nevada Osbest, June 97. Look at a tech give me one. Look at. That's not water. Still playing. That's not water.

It was water, huh? Yeah. It was. You thought it was a corona or something. Look at it. Yeah. I was trying to get a quick shot. What was Ospre's like?

Love it. That's D-Manufacturer. You can tell, huh? The drumming peak? Come on. Come on. Okay, actually, no. We should, we could talk to the podcast with this.

You know, Raymond, was it Raymond that brought in the drum triggers? I believe there might have been other bands using it, right? Okay. But in 92, we were in Europe and we were doing a festival tour, and one of the shows, DISA linked up with us. And I remember Steve was having issues with his triggers, right? Because they were double triggering.

Any kind of vibration on the stage would fire off a trigger. You know what I mean? So Raymond was the one who helped Steve from, D-aside the drummer help him set up his triggers to where they won't vibrate. So what you got to do is what a million drummers know now, but back in 92, you got to you got to deaden the inside of your drums. So that's either done with pillows, blankets, whatever you got, foam, whatever you got. Underwear.

Throw it because the inside of the shell vibrates from the air. So if you kill that air, it won't fire off a double-tracks. trigger. Nowadays, they make stuff for that stuff, but back then they weren't making anything for that. You got to put, you got to put pillows that we steal from the hotel or from your tour bus. Take those pillows, whatever. You know, take one of these black curtains that you see at a fucking show, steal it and throw

it in there, you know what I mean? Whatever you can to stuff that kick drum, that's what we would do. That's how you got to do it to make it not resonate back then. Now, like I said, you know, they make stuff for that. So they buy, they make pads for that stuff. But still, I think Pete still puts pillows in there too sometimes. I'll use whatever. Yeah, I mean, down to South America, we had to use whatever they had in the venue sometimes.

Yeah, yeah. When we were touring to South America, we get different drum kits every show. So you got to, like, you know, throw your dirty underwear and, you know. On the Staticax tour, you actually played with a dad drumhead, right? It was, like, made of rubber or something. kind of Evans drum head that was like more mesh. It was different, yeah. But it worked.

Yeah, yeah. It almost made no sound. It was almost like a pad drum head. Yeah. That makes sense. Sick. Yeah, see, that's the little stuff you got throwing the kit. So a lot of drummers didn't know that back then,

but Raymond had discovered it really early. So he was showing other drummers what to do. Why did Raymond start using triggers? Because we wanted that consistent sound, and we wanted to make it sound like the record. Because we used triggers on the record. Oh, okay. Well, we didn't necessarily record with triggers.

We went back and we, what we did is we used the actual live kick on the tape to trigger the kick. Yeah. To trigger the trigger. It's kind of weird. So it was a long process, right? Because you've got to play the whole record on tape for it to, and if it misfires, you got to go back. Oh, wow. Yeah, if one doesn't come out.

On D-Manufacture, there's a snare roll. Replica. Yeah, replica. Yeah, there's a snare trigger missing. I don't know why we didn't catch it before. Hmm. Yeah. Well, we should have had Milo there.

If you hate, there's a missing snare. There we go. Also in PowerShift, there's a miss. Really? Yeah. I'm surprised you didn't catch that one. Dang. I did it.

Got lucky. Who were some of the first drummers that were using triggers? Maybe ministry? Ministry? I don't know, to be honest. We know that a million people were using on a record. I mean, Scott Burns, the guy who recorded all those death metal bands in Florida, he was using triggers for a lot of people's records.

But I knew that people were using, I want to say maybe Pantera. Yeah, Pantera was used. was using D-drum. They were using D-drum triggers and a D-drum system. That was kind of popular. You probably didn't hear about it. No.

Yeah, it's kind of like a little red box. And the triggers were red. The little trigger. Oh, yeah. I remember the triggers. Yeah. So it was a company called D-drum. And then there was, I mean, maybe Igor

from Sublatoria might have been using it at the time. He did too, yeah. Yeah. But just some kick drums, no? He did the whole kit. The whole kit? Oh. So there you go.

What year? this was 90s like right around 95 96 that you knew of that I all the videos that I saw yeah what about before that no let's call them up right now no before no before no

because I have all the whole life we can get you go on the show hey what was the first time you used triggers yeah yeah I guess well yeah well I guess it'll be a continued journey to see or who I guess was ask questions when we get the opportunity. What do you mean?

What? To figure out but the trigger. Yeah, I guess. Oh, who was the first guy to use triggers? Well, we came out with it. I don't know, we're definitely not the first ones to do it,

but we started that way. Boom, yeah. We needed to get this. And plus it sounded better in the PA in the room. Of course. And we used to do the whole kit as well.

Mm. Yeah. It's crazy. I've like, now it's every band pretty much does that. It's crazy. I think so.

Do you guys? Oh yeah, we use just on the kicks, right? You have to, yeah. Yeah, because that's basically how we've been doing it too. He had to snare so hard. It's like, Jesus Christ.

Got that gummy bear snare, man. What's up? 100%. And he breaks a lot of snare heads. Fuck, yeah. Sticks, symbols. That's everything. That's what you know.

Well, Dino and you guys, thank you for letting me be a part of your new journey. Thank you for having us. It's been a pleasure. Is this the first time the full bands on the podcast? It's the first time? Well, we didn't get Tony.

No. But you need to get Tony. Yes. Yeah, he's on my list. Yes. Oh, that's easy. I mean, just tell him. Great.

Okay, okay. His girl lives out here, so he's out here a lot. Oh, okay. Yeah. So you can get him. San Antonio has a lot of history. It's crazy. So many people live here.

Yeah. Tony lives in L.A., but his girl lives out here, so. Sick. Let's call him right now. Hey, so what are you doing now? What are you doing now? you know I'm waiting in five minutes you fuck

I've been waiting practice already you said five o'clock thank you for trusting me getting the other story out there so honor as always thank you

working people funny guys again fearfactory.com or any of our socials I'm Dino Gazzaras so you can go to my socials Mila Sylvester he's Havoc drums

which he needs to change it to Pete Weber drums Pete Weber muscle milk muscle milk weather there we go now we're talking and I wanted to say

it's an honor for me to be here because like I said before I've been following your podcast with Dino and the other guests you know since you first started and so when I was looking at

you two talking it was almost like you know watch your podcast again with Dino but in real life so it was like mind fucking in a way am I here am I watching it was my my smartphone, you know? So it's a pleasure. Just thank for having me. Thank for having us.

Anytime, I mean, you know, like it's, life is a crazy dream sometimes. It is. You're like, you know. You gotta remember he's in Rome, Italy. He's not, we take things for granted because shit's here, just so much stuff here in L.A. Yeah.

He's dreaming out there. And in Italy, like, to be here and to meet the bands and meet the guys and, you know, and just, because he's a fan of the music. I actually, I actually, I agree with this little story. Actually, the second and last time that I saw Fear Factory live was 2012 in Rome. And this is a story and a story. Havoc was opening up for Fear Factory, which is crazy, right? And I remember that guy, you know, because I was impressed by his drumming.

And after the show, I was lucky enough, you know, I was waiting outside with a bunch of fans and I could meet Bert and Dino. And I remember that I gave, because I know all history of all my favorite bands. And I knew that Dino was a huge talent scout back in the day for, for, for, you know. a lot of bands that I love like Spine Shank, Cold Chamber and Static. I was like, oh, he's a huge talent, Scouts, so maybe I can give him the demo of my band, that channel. It was a band that a technicalist

he'll have, but, you know, I don't have time to do things right now, but, so I gave him the demo, and it was the Edge Crusher cover on it. Of course, he doesn't remember about it. I was like, Dino, you have my guitar, go, can I give my demo? I'm like, okay, sure. And 10 years later, here we go, you know? Hold on, tell the whole

story. You got to tell the whole story. How was the whole story? Well, when you met us, what happened? Tell the whole story. Oh, with Bert as well? Tell the whole story. Tell the whole story. Okay.

It was weird because it was funny because we were waiting outside. And so finally, Bert and Dino came out. And Bert was with an empty Italian wine bottle. And was like, oh, just let me put this back in the tour bus and I'll be back, you know. And Dino was with flip flops, which I found funny. I was like, oh, look at Dino with flip-flops. Came out of the shower, whatever. And so we had pictures with both of them.

And I don't know why. I was fan-boying so hard with both of them. But Dino was like, oh, yeah, okay, sure. You have my guitar? Oh, yeah, thank you. Okay. Take a picture. But for some reason, I don't know if Bert was, like, fucked up or something,

but it didn't look like so. It was pretty sober. It looked sober. but beside the fact that he had an empty wine bottle but we took a picture and we hugged you know and then I was like fanboy with him as well I was like I'm like you know thank you for saving my life your art and your music blah blah and he didn't say a word

it was just you know it was like turn it back and go and I was like what I just declared my wife to you I love you exactly and so we made this joke with Dino a lot of times like, oh, maybe did he foresee the future? Like, you're going to be the motherfucker that's going to take my place. That's funny, right?

That's the whole story. That's the whole story. That's a trip. He looked like he was not pleased to see me, you know? Man. Really? He didn't say when Singaroo was like, that's sick.

Walked away, you know. Not one word. So that's the whole story. Yeah, you can't let that part out. Yeah, right. I mean And I don't mean In a hateful way

It's just funny Right And he loved You know That's pretty much What he was influenced by Yeah He's one of the main reason

I'm here You know I mean Because I was so obsessed By his vocal style That I shaped my My vocal Style to him

As well You know All the singers too But you know He was When I saw them like First time In Bologna

In North Italy Like 2010 Was the mechanized tour I was like Okay This is what I want to become, you know, just vocal wise, you know, his tile and everything. So that's how I love him as an artist, you know.

Cool. Well, you're doing, in my opinion, you were doing a phenomenal job. Thank you very much. And it's cool. It's cool to see. It's cool to hear. I mean, as a friend, it's cool to see, do you know, I mean, stoked to play music? Because you actually feel, oh, damn, they're fucking, they're on fire right now.

It's sick. It's cool. And knowing the whole backstory, I'm like, damn, after all that shit, still, still, and, and to kind of get back that love, it gives me, you know, that inspires me and gives me a hope to keep going to, no matter what. No matter what. Well, I want to say this. I love those guys. I've been loving those guys since forever. And beside the fact that that's cliche, but, you know, their music literally saved my life, you know.

So I owe these guys more than everything. So I'm proud of having the torch pass to me. And I'm proud of being part of the team that's going to carry on the legacy, you know, the vocal legacy, Dino's legacy, you know. And I'm, all of us are willing to do that in the best way possible, so we're working so hard to do that. Even Pete. Doing the most work

That is true, right? Yeah, drummers do Do the most work Pete, Milo, Dino Appreciate you guys, thank you Thanks, man Thank you very much All right everyone

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