Garza Podcast - 101 - ATTILA | Chris Fronzak: Running for President, Fame & Being Misunderstood

Episode Date: October 23, 2023

Garza sits down in-person with Chris Fronzak. Singer of Atlanta metal/deathcore band ATTILA. Their new EP FU4EVR is out now! https://www.attilaband.com SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Cheers & 10 Year Anniversary Reflection On About That Life (2013) 02:19 - Having Thick Skin 03:14 - Being on MTV’s Made, Dealing With Fame Since an Early Age 05:18 - Understanding the Business & Entrepreneurship of Entertainment 10:15 - Destruction Derby & Video Games 12:30 - Not Having Many Friends Growing Up 14:00 - Reading Harry Potter Books 16:59 - Isolation & Growth 18:47 - Mitch Lucker Being a Sweetheart to Fronz 27:08 - Being Misunderstood 28:22 - Running for President 31:45 - Fronz’s First Executive Order, Drug Policy 32:31 - Mushrooms 34:53 - About That Life (Continued…) 37:01 - Buddy Nielsen (Senses Fail) Beef 40:54 - Warped Tour Work Ethic 43:19 - Stay Sick Clothing & Passion Before Success 45:38 - The Big Six Supergroup 47:28 - N*Sync Reunion, Being Joey Fatone’s Neighbor 47:59 - Moving From Georgia to Florida 51:24 - Recording About That Life with Joey Sturgis 54:48 - Writing Songs With a Deck of Cards 57:18 - New EP, FU4EVR 1:00:54 - Chris Linck Being a Great Producer 1:01:33 - Career Regrets

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Yeah, no problem. And also, this is, uh, A Frans, this is to you and your band Attila and congratulations for 10 years. Thank you so much. About that life. Cheers. Thank you. Uh, you guys come a long way, man. Like, like, when that record came out, like, I remember, like, it was a combination of, like, people, people that loved it, obviously loved it.

But then you have, like, the opposite reaction, too. Yeah. You know. Yeah. Oh, yeah. A lot of opposite. I would say it was more the opposite. when the album came out, it was the most hated album of all time,

according to like 15, 20 different major rock news outlets. And that was my first time experiencing, like, mass hate. So it was kind of a learning experience because I was like, damn, like, I really like what I made, but the whole world says this is the worst album and all of humanity. And then it was funny because all the negative press turned into positive press. because three months later it became like the biggest album ever and everyone was stoked to see it and Kevin Lyman was begging us to headline Warp Tour and just all this shit it was like okay so

I guess all the hate turned into something good yeah and it did at that point did you had thick skin yet uh I would say yes I did because I just have I've been like famous since I was like 16 from being on MTV made so I've been used to people just like digging into me. I had thick skin, but in the musical sense, I'd never had that much like flack musically in my life. Yeah. But I did have thick

skin and I was like, also I was young. I was like 23, so I was at the age where it's like it doesn't matter what anyone says. It's just like, fuck you eat shit. You could tell me anything. Fuck you. I'm going to double down and go crazy. You got to double down. Yeah. I think people, deep down on a primal level,

They like when you double down on shit. Yeah, they do. They don't fucking want you to just bitch out, dude. If you bitch out and back down, then it's like, okay, you just admitted that you suck. Mm-hmm. True. You double down, it's like, damn, all right, we got to fight this guy now. You know, I didn't even think when you were on MTV Made, you were younger.

You were still in high school. And I didn't even think about how you handled that. So that was wild. I mean, just being famous as a 16-year-old is just a while. wild thing to happen. So, you know, obviously people would say things or whatever. And being on the show itself, like I was like a chubby metal kid that got made into a model. So they kind of tore into me on that. I always tell people what you don't know. But before you go on reality TV, they make you do like a really comprehensive, like psychiatric test to make sure that you're not going to kill yourself.

Because they're going to like drill into you and like try to, you know, get under your skin. So you have to passed like a really crazy psychiatric test before you're even allowed to go on a reality TV show. How old were you again? 16. You went through that when you were 16? Yeah. I wouldn't be able to handle that. I would have crumbled that and there.

There I am. You were a little chubby kid. Oh yeah. It was a chubby kid. Look at me. My goodness, dude. And still, and now look up where he comes. Still, you dealt with everything.

And you know what, Franz, you did? I think if you go through that kind of mental evaluation, emotional evaluation, I wouldn't have got through that. And you did. And that's something to be to be proud of. Thank you. Thank you. And you still, you're still you. Yeah. So I guess I've been dealing with a spotlight, fame, whatever you want to call it from an early age. And, you know, I, so I don't, the critics and all that stuff doesn't really bother me. You could say anything you want. If anything, I'd prefer, like, a comfortable medium of 50% hate, 50% love, because I think that's kind of what keeps you really in the headlines. If it's all love, then it's just cool. No one cares. If it's all hate, then no one cares.

But when you got that 50, 50 balance of love and hate, I think it keeps people talking about you and helps you grow. Yeah. And you always understood that. Like you understood there was like an entertainment factor. Yeah. You know, not people do. Because musicians tend to be like, they're really good at the one thing.

that the one thing, whether it's being a singer or a drummer, a bass, guitar, etc. Yeah. But they just lack everything else. Like, let's say a business. Or like, you know, how do you get out there, you know? It's like, it's a whole other, it's a whole other hat to wear. Yeah, exactly.

You know, and you seem to collect all the hats when you were a very young age. You know, you, I mean, you founded, you know, Attila. Yeah. You know, you found four friends from high school and then just, went just just went from there. Yep. And here we are. You know, a lot of work. But I think what I have that a lot of people don't is a good like business ethic mindset. I think a lot of people are just strictly musicians only and they don't understand anything about business. So having terrible the knowledge of both is definitely helpful to our career. Where did you get that from?

Honestly, I can take my glasses off. I'll be a normal person. Dude, I have no idea because it's not like, it's not even like in my family. I think my family just always push me to like be the best. And I never got, it's like, I grew up in a family where like you don't get a fucking trophy unless you win. And if you don't win, fuck you do better. Like you can win. So I got pushed really hard. Like kind of opposite of the way people raise their kids nowadays where it's like, oh, you got last place.

Here's a trophy. It's like, no, fuck you, dude. You suck. Like, get better. Like, if you want to do this, like, let's practice more. But ever since a young age, I just have always been an entrepreneur. I started selling golf balls when I was seven years old. No.

Yeah, so my dad worked at a grocery store. My grandpa worked at a golfing range. So my grandpa would bring a giant trash bag of golf balls. We got some Santa Ana murders going on. So someone's going to rob outside. It's fine. All right, that's awesome. So my grandpa would bring over like a giant.

trash bag of golf balls and my dad would bring from the grocery store empty egg cartons and I would sort them based on what brand they were, the quality of the golf ball, everything. And I lived in like a poor middle neighborhood, but next to me was a rich neighborhood. So I would drag my wagon at seven years old to the rich neighborhood and I would look in the garages to see which garages had golf bags and I would just hustle golf balls. And I had like a subscription service at age seven where I would hand-deliver golf balls to you once a month. So I was just, like, making money and hustling since I was seven, and it progressed into so many different things.

Do you think you got that from your parents? Because if you have parents that really push you in the, what's the word, like the positive way, but don't baby you? Like, there's like this weird, like... My parents definitely help me in the fact that they, like, didn't baby me, but they're not entrepreneurs. you know, they're regular. So, I don't know.

I don't have like an entrepreneur in my family except me. It's just, just happened. I just had the drive to do it. Hmm. Just happened. And you literally applied that into your teens. Everything I do in life. Everything.

So this started when you were a child. Literally a child. And then after that, I started a lawn care business where my strategy was I would go to all the houses that had like really over. grown lawns, I would put my mower in the front yard, turn it on, turn everything on, and then knock on the door, and they'd be like, what the hell? And then they'd see me, like, a, that's probably when I was, like, nine. They'd see, like, a nine-year-old kid in their front yard, but the lawnmower already turned on. And I would just be like, hey, I'm here to mow your lawn,

and it's $20, and my lawnmower's already on. And then, like, nine times out of 10, they would just grab a 20 and hand it to me. And so I was, I was just a hustler. you know what I mean like it's smart when you already have it on it's kind of like hey I mean I turn it on so it's like can he is I gotta do it also you know your lawn sucks because you haven't mowed it in like two months so just give me fucking $20 dude it worked every time do you think people can still approach the door door thing now I think people could still do stuff like that I just think that people are just stupidly fucking lazy now like I don't think I think the younger generation just wants to like look at TikToks all day. Like, why would you go hustle and make money when you could just, you know, look at TikTok? I didn't have anything like that. Like, I might have had like a PS1. Like, I don't know, like something shitty to do.

But like, I already was bored of video games. I wanted to make money. Yeah. Get shit done. It's funny because most singers are really into video games for some reason. And you weren't. No, you're right. And you weren't.

I mean, I like video games, but I'm just like an average player. Like I play like an average amount of time as anyone does. I'm not like a super nerd like some people when it comes to video games. Yeah, so I'll get a PS1 and get Tiger Woods, you know, 2001 and that's pretty much it. Yeah. I mean, that's what I did. So that's why I'm seeing it. I was out there playing destruction derby and shit.

Boom. Oh, wait, who's controlling this, by the way? It's Jay. Jerry. Oh, behind there? Yeah. So everything that's talked about, you're just pulling up shit? Boom.

Oh, that's so cool. Fuck yeah. Constantly. I like this. is cool. I've never done this before. I'm a virgin. Oh yeah, it did come out in year 2000. About a good...

They put Tiger Woods on every golf game for PlayStation. You had to. It was sick, dude. Tiger Woods is the goat, man. He was. So naturally, you're just not... It's not lazy. A lot of people are, dude. Well, I just know that if you want something, you have to get it.

Like, there's no such thing as luck. There's no such thing as, like, shit just falling on your plate. Yep, that was my game. Destruction fucking Derby, dude. I never seen this. I was fired. All you did was just

crash into people and kill them. Like, it was great. It was epic. So basically your day as a child, you'll play this for about five minutes and then you'll go out. And then go and they'll... Yeah, yeah.

That's sick. Yeah, I play a little Destruction Derby. I didn't really have many friends growing up either. Like, honestly, I just... I mean, it's not that I wasn't social because I could talk to anyone. It was just like, I just didn't have a lot of friends, man.

I just, I would hang out by myself and just figure out ways to make money. Yeah, look, you just crash. Like, all you, it's, graphics are total dog shit, but it was just cool. These graphics are terrible. You just crash. Like, that's all I wanted to do is just crash cars.

Basically what, you are living in this video game. You just want to go fast. Huh? And it's crash. Yeah. Let's fucking ride it until the wheels just crash off. You know? Yeah, you'd be in a big circle,

just smashing. each other up. Oh, God. Oh, this is bringing me back. So you, so you didn't have, so you're, your, you're hustling lawns. You didn't have, like, like, your one or two good best friends on, like the same block. You hung out with, like, anything, anything like that? I had, like, one or two. Yeah. That was it. That was it. Yeah. Just one or two. But, uh, what, was it, like, consistent, or? I would say it was consistent, but there was, like, one year. Actually, only a few people know this is pretty sad, but there's probably like one or two years of my life where I didn't have a single friend at all, like zero. But it was cool because what I did during that time period is I kind of

just put my head in books and I just read a lot. I got like real, I like leveled up. I was like, I don't have any friends because something happened where I only had like one friend and then me and that one friend had a falling out. And keep in mind, this is like probably like middle school days. Like, you know, we're talking like seven, eight, nine years old. It's probably around there. But I had a full year where I didn't have one single friend, like not one. But I just put my head in books and listen to music and just got smart and figured shit out. So you were, so seven, seven, eight, nine, you said? Yeah, sometime around that period, like, probably. I had a full year where I didn't have a single friend, like not one. Like nobody. That is sad. Yeah, I mean, I don't mean to be

depressing because I wasn't, the thing is, I wasn't sad about it. I was just like, I'm, kind of like a nerd. I was just like, cool, I'm just going to read books all year. I just leveled up. You were reading books before you were 10. Yeah. Dude, that is extremely advanced. Because I came from like a nerdy family, I guess, on my dad's side at least. They would just only buy me books for Christmas. Like, the other side of the family might give me video games. This side just will give me a book. So I'm like, got to read this shit. What do you read? Harry Potter. That was the first book I ever read. I was like too young to read it. but I just figured it out and fell in love.

And then obviously there's fucking like, what, 10 of them? Yeah, there's like, that's like a series, right? I'm not, I'm not familiar with the Harry Potter series. So I had like the whole fucking thing. So there's so many. So in their giant, some of the books are, some of them are a little thin. Some of them are a little thick.

So like, I could, I could read for years. Did you own that? That, yeah, I owned the whole set. So that year I didn't have friends. I probably read through all of that of quite a few times. And, you know, I'm just getting my. vocabulary up just getting my smarts up man so do you taught yourself how to read mm-hmm did you understand what what these books meant what what you were

reading or you're just saying all this is just a cool story I'm just gonna follow it the best I can or I mean like I said I was probably like nine so I don't think that's unreasonable to read at like age nine is that like nine 10 you know how they have like the what's I called like the like the like the grade reading Reading level? Where it's like fourth grade reading level, fifth grade reading level? Oh yeah.

What is the Harry Potter books? What grade reading level is that? I want to say... That is a good question. I want to say that's like middle school? High school? All right, nine to 12 years old. Oh, shit.

So there we go. So it's not out of the reach. Also, I don't know if you know... So now you know that I was a chubby kid growing up. And everyone remember. that in school, the more books you read, you got free personal pan pizza from pizza hut. That's the rumor.

It's not a rumor. That was my life I lived. So the more fucking books I read, bro, the more free pizza I got. And I was a chubby kid with no friends. So I read all the fucking books. And I got all the free personal pan pizzas, bro. I tricked the system.

So that's really why we're reading. I mean, kind of. But also I just liked reading because I just like to fuck off. Like lock my door and just read it. read a book in a day. Just be a little nerd. Imagine that back then, like,

there's nothing to distract you. Yeah. Nothing. I don't have any friends hitting me up. It's just me and my book and my personal pan pizza, dog. That's a,

this sadness might turn into a happy story because that sounds a pretty, like a nice life. Maybe it'll inspire people, like worry less about what people, like, worry less about the internet and TikTok

and just read a book and get a personal pan pizza. You'll get smarter and your belly is going to be happy. It's crazy how you just took that and it ran with it, dude Yeah And it's it kind of I guess sucks in a way that in order to kind of make any kind of major

leap in your life as far as either your career or what you want to do You kind of need to go away for a while from friends Yeah And it's been like a really hard thing to to a deal with Especially if you get older you want to do something For us it's like it's you're either like Making a record or something You got kind of have to like disappear

Yeah it's like, oh no. It was feel bad because then you can't like build on your relationships, you know, and then it makes it kind of fucked up. Yeah. You know? Of course. It's like you'll forget birthdays and then they, you feel bad that they might feel bad

that like you forgot about them. It's like this weird thing. When you're having your mindset on something, that's fucking it. And if you don't have a, if you're not married or kids, like nothing else really matters. It's like a weird, it's a weird thing. Also, being on tour just makes life difficult because you do like forget friends' birthdays and shit. It sucks.

You know, you're not around enough. So like, the more you go on tour, the less you get invited to do shit. Because all it takes is like two invites like, bro, like come to my birthday party. Sorry I'm on tour. Like, bro, come here. Like, sorry I'm on tour. And then they don't hit you up a third time. No, no.

It's like one, one, two. And that's pretty much it. Yeah. Yeah. I told people like all the time like, hey, hit me up like seriously like 10 or more time. I know it sounds stupid, but there'll be one time where it hits. We're like, hey, I'll go down the street for, like, a beer and, like, a pizza. You know, it's like, I have a good, like, hour or two, like, block, I could just leave.

Yeah. You know, because, you know, your brain wants to try to plan. It wants to hang out. But when there's, like, a reality of time... You're just going to be busy. Yeah, is it? You know, it sucks, dude. It sucks, man.

It's better to be busy than not busy, though. It is. So we did a tour together. It was Rage Fest. Yeah. Yeah. And also. So the first one was All-Stars.

Yeah, and I do want to talk about that also. Because I don't know, I'm pretty sure I've told you and everyone. I talk about it a lot. But Mitch changed my life. And no one else has done, like, for me as a vocalist, what Mitch did for me. So I wouldn't be here right now if it wasn't for Mitch. Because that first tour we did together, the All-Stars, I was the baby band. on the tour, the opener. You guys were the headliner. Yeah. We were the lowest band. Suicide silence was

the highest band. Suicide silence, like, that was my favorite band in the world. And I knew, like, I'm never going to meet the guys. I'm never going to hang out with them probably. They're headlining in the bus. I'm in the little van. Yeah, I think that's it. Yeah. I mean, it might have been even earlier than 2012, I think. It might have been even earlier, but I just remember like hanging out with you guys and you were all so cool and Mitch saw me and kind of like grab me and was like come here dude drink a beer with me and I'm like I'm like what do you mean like I'm the opening band like why are you being nice to me you know like and he was just like I fucking love you dude come here and like he would always every day be like come to the bar with me and we would

just talk talk talk and like my like young mind was just blown that my idol was like nice because they always say don't meet your idols like they're they're all bad and Mitch was my idol and he was so fucking nice and every day you remember on that tour I rode on your bus more than I rode in my van just because every fucking day Mitch would be like I was trying to be like respectful and be like let me go back in my van and he's like no we have extra bunks you're sleeping in here and I'm like what I've never been in a bus before what the fuck is this wow every day he would take me under his wing take me to bars with him and I was like, I felt really bad too because I was like, man, like, I don't have any money to my name.

Like, I don't, I want to go to the bar with you, but like, I can't afford, like, to drink three beers. Like, I can't. I don't have any money. And Mitch was like, dude, I got you every day. And everything he told me and the way he acted basically set an example for me for how I act to all bands opening tours for Atila now. I'll never forget. Like, and if I ever catch myself slightly being a dickhead, I'll just close. close my eyes and think of Mitch because he changed my life and had such a big impact on me

and I want to be that person for other bands where it's like Attila's headlining but they're not dickheads he gave me beers he hung out with me he showed me respect when he didn't have to but it just showed like he was a good human being like like legitimately a super fucking good human being down to the core of his being and I'll never forget that. I think about it all the time. Like every time Halloween comes up, I get sad. Yeah, Halloween kind of sucks. Yeah, man.

Yeah, it sucks. It makes me sad, like, because that was, that guy changed my life, straight up. What, uh, did he tell you anything or did, uh, like, what did you learn, like, uh, what, like, what, like, sticks out? I would say, like, I mean, just watching him every night and the way he commanded the crowd and what he did with his presence. It was just so commanding, like, just watching and observing. But I think more than anything, what I learned from him was just on a personal, like,

human to human level. Like, he taught me, like, what it is to be a good human. Because it was kind of in that point where, like, Atilla was gaining popularity. And, like, even though we were just the baby opening band, it's kind of like, it was setting me up to where, like, I could kind of start getting that, like, little ego. and then Mitch instantly just like reset me and put me down to ground zero and was like, be a good human, be a good person. And I was like, holy shit, like this is crazy.

It was more just, he taught me like what it is to be a good human. And when you do rise to the top, how to be a good human to other people. Yeah. Because most people aren't, let's face it. Like there's a lot of big bands that aren't necessarily like actual good humans, but he was. Yeah. He just knew how to balance that, like, healthy

ego with being himself. Yeah, he kept the ego on the stage. Yeah, he just knew he had that balance on lock. It was fucking crazy to see. Yeah. He kept the ego on stage, took over the whole crowd, but then the second he got off the stage, he was just your best friend.

The guy that would just give poor little me that couldn't afford a beer, a beer. And be like, come hang out with me. Like, I just want to talk to I enjoy your presence and I was like, oh my God, this is crazy. No one's ever been this nice to me. So, I don't know. I learned a lot from him.

It's cool, man. That was his last tour. Yeah, I know, because we talked every single day. After that tour, we talked every single day. And he literally told me like, bro, I'm so fucking excited right now. We just got our big check from nuclear blast. And we talked about everything, like on the phone every day. He's like, we just got our big check from nuclear blast.

He's like, I'm fucking hype. The first thing I'm going to do, I'm going straight to Harley. That's what you did. I'm going to buy the most expensive bike they have in the store. Like, he talked to me every day. That's exactly what he told me. And I was like, fuck yeah, man. I was like, if that's what your heart wants, I was like,

bikes scare me. But if that's your thing, I love you, go for it, bro. And I mean, we just talked every day. And also, our next tour was supposed to be together. Was it? Yeah. So our next tour was. was also together.

So we did the summer tour and then in the fall, I believe it was, I believe it was asking Alexandria. You guys were on that? Yeah. Really?

Yeah. We were the opener for that tour too. It was like asking Alexandria and as I lay dying and then look, suicide silence. Oh shit, you were on that. Well, look to the flyer. Yeah, see?

Yeah, we were on that tour. So like that's why. What the fuck? I don't remember that at all. Yeah, man. So me and Mitch became like best friends on the tour we did together. and then after that tour ended, we talked every single day all the time because we were

stoked because we were going back on the road again. So we're like, fuck yeah, we get to like, we get to hang again. And then, and then yeah, I mean, we were on another tour during October of this year. I forget what it was. But I'll never forget. I was in San Antonio, Texas. We were staying at someone's house. It was Halloween. I went to bed and someone shook me and woke me up and told me what happened and I was just crying all day. And that was like the only time that I think I almost like canceled a show because I like

I just couldn't hold it together. Like I couldn't. Like it was hard for me to play that day. It was fucking terrible. It's funny like as a years go on and it's been one 10 years now. You hear like stories like this.

Like damn you I don't forget who he was but it's like damn is that the impact. Oh yeah, dude. It's just crazy. I have goosebumps right now. Like, I'm not even joking at all. Like, no one has impacted my life more than he did.

And it's like we didn't get to hang out that much. But the time we did have together, he fucking just completely changed the way I think about everything. I'd probably be a total dick right now if it wasn't for him. And I know people still think I'm a dick. But, like, you know, I've got that, I've got that, like, inner Mitch in me. Like, I've got the Mitch on my shoulder where, It's like, hey, be nice to that opening ban. Like, you know, go give them a fucking case of beer.

You have too much on your bus. What would Mitch do? Give them the fucking case of beer. Be nice. Shake their hands, be kind. That's what he would do. True. So it's like, I like having him with me, I guess, in spirit.

He is, he is. Do you think that you're misunderstood? Because it's, to me, highly. I mean, from the outside looking in all. all we have is like a tour together couple and then I see that you see like this headlines. It makes me think like is he, I think he says

misunderstood and people just don't get it. People don't get it. Also I think when it comes to like headlines and stuff, I think that people use me essentially because they know that if there's any headline that has to do with me or has my name in it, the clicks are just so much higher. And I could just look at it.

Like I can look at the loudwire Instagram or the, you know, revolver or whatever. And it's like they'll post all this shit that gets such low engagement. And then the second they fucking post me, it boost up. And I get what it is. It's kind of like they're gaining from me, even if they're not saying good things about me. But honestly, I would say as far as like the present goes, the past year for Attila has been phenomenal. So it has been nothing but good press. But, you know, there is, there's always something going on.

I think, like, right now, the biggest press I got, like, this month is me announcing that I'm going to become the next president. So how's I going? That got a lot of press. It's going good. It's just a lot of work, man, because I'm on tour right now. So, like, my campaign manager is trying to, like, prep our campaign and shit and, like, get us going. But I'm, like, I'm just, like, on tour. So it's like I can't really like necessarily focus on like what I have to do.

So but it's good. It's interesting. Franz, I think I think you're ready. Yeah. You're ready, man. You have, you have thick skin. Yeah. You know?

I'm good. I'm like a, I think that the reason I would be a good president just comes down to the fact that I don't even like politics. I hate it. So I'm not even trying to like do what all these other fuckers do. Like, I'm just trying to do what's good for people like me and you and everyone watching, you know? It's, there needs to be a real, like, human being president, not like a businessman or not a puppet or not like a 90-year-old, like, dead man that is just, we don't even know what's going on anymore. Like, we just need a real person. And I actually make, everyone's like, you're not old enough to be president, Franz.

And I'm like, actually, well, technically, um, My turn the right age two months before the deadline. So I'll be two months past the deadline to be president, and I'd be the youngest president in history. Because you're three or three now, right? Yeah. So what's the age? You got to be 35 by January 20th, 2025.

So I'll be... I know it's that young. Two months past, yeah. Who's the youngest president? Not 35. But I would be... Okay, type in young's president in the world. That wouldn't work.

Yeah, Theodore Roosevelt, 42. And then even John F. Kennedy was a young one, but he was 43, so... 42, 43, wow. I would be, I would be 35 and two months old, so I'd be the youngest president ever. So I just think it'd be good to have someone young and more in touch with, like, what people want. And also, like, politically, I just hate, like, I don't even like talking about politics, just to be real, but I hate the whole, like, you got to be like super far left or super far right. The reality is we're humans and most of us don't fall super far left or super far right.

We're kind of in the middle. Like we kind of back both sides and believe in both things like to a degree of each party. So like having this like you got to be like far this or far that. I just hate that shit. So I, that's why I mean I just support being a libertarian. and I think it's just like people don't realize like people are like what are libertarian you kind of explain it's like oh shit that's me it's like yeah like we're all secretly believing in that but it's just we never get a running shot to be president so hopefully it'll change soon because I just think the the two party system is just kind of like fucking shit up and I think people are over it because it's it's just like a pendulum swinging that just pisses the whole world off yeah yeah most humans are balanced they they they have they They're just like in the middle somewhere, you know? Yeah, but there's nothing that represents the middle.

So why, like, all right, vote for me, bitch. Let's know. Okay, then so to close off this subject, what is the first thing you're going to do as President Franz? I would say it's pretty easy. The first thing I'm going to do is make marijuana federally legal, like countrywide. It's so stupid not to. I heard the cheers. Yeah, I mean, honestly.

That's like the easiest no-brainer. Just make marijuana federally legal. And also just be fair and release people that have been in prison 10 years or 15 years because they had a fucking joint or like a small bag of weed. Like shut up. Like release these people. Like, you know, there's a lot of just unfairness. But yeah. There is.

I mean, I'm not calling myself like a good person by any means. But, you know, I have like. I have mushrooms in my bunk currently I'm not like a You're going to jail, dude I know It's weird because I'm not like Yeah it's like my guys

I don't do mushrooms This is my first time I'm 37 Oh you've never done mushrooms No Oh dude okay So but it's such a fucked up thought Like I'm just trying to do them this to be like

Okay let's get some inside I try to be the better person But it pisses me off I'm like wait if I get caught with this It was so silly. Like, if anything would happen to me, all Garzik got, Garzik caught a couple mushrooms?

What the fuck? And why? I just want to try to, I don't know. Dude. Trying to be like a better person. I don't know. So I'm not,

I'm not a psychedelic person by any means. I've tripped on mushrooms once, like a full-blown trip. And I got really scared and then really happy. But I absolutely love microdosing mushrooms. So that's where you take like less than half a gram. Because a full dose is going to be like 3.5, like an eighth. Don't do it.

I mean, you could do it if you want. If you want to have like a, if you're in like the woods or somewhere cool around your friends, sure, go on an enlightenment trip. But dude, microdosing mushrooms is probably the best thing you could do. Because if you take less than half a gram, what I do is at home, I've got mushroom chocolates that are divided like a Hershey bar. And if you just take one little square off that chocolate, that's a microdose. Literally a microdose of shrooms, you won't trip at all.

You'll barely feel anything. The only thing that'll happen is you're just going to smile more all day for no fucking reason. That's it. You won't trip. You're just going to smile more and laugh more. And you just won't even know why. And you won't feel like you're tripping. But it just makes you enjoy life better in the moment and smile.

more and laugh more. That's it. Microdose. Do it. Microdose is sick. I don't count that as the trip I have done that a couple of times. And someone put on daddy from corn and that's the sickest thing ever. You know, if you hear new metal when you're tripping or a little bit of some,

it's pretty sick. It's pretty fucking sick, man. Here we go. T and E. This is the other good flavor out of pack, too. So, just to make it people aware, so about that life, that's your fifth record. or fourth. Fuck.

I forgot. Google it. It's fifth. It's fifth. No, it's either fourth or fifth because we kind of don't, we kind of don't count. You don't cut the first one on. We kind of don't count fallacy, but that should count. So, I mean, I count it personally.

So one, two, three, four. Oh, wait, it was pulled up. One, two, three, four. So this is how I counted. There it is. One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. So I say fifth, but I think it's just like,

I'm the only person that did fallacy. I think it counts. Yeah, same. So, yeah, no, about that life is our fifth album. Came out in 2013, and now we are celebrating 10 years of About That Life. The tour is almost done. I think we've got like two weeks left, two weeks left, maybe a little less. But the tour has been incredible, probably one of our best tours in the past.

like five, six years easily, hands down. Great lineup, great people on the tour. But overall, it's just a lot of people that are stoked about an album that changed their life 10 years ago for better or the worse. Mostly for the better. Yeah. Yeah, if people don't like your band, who cares? Oh, I don't care at all.

It's like, if you don't like my band, just talk about us. And that's what people do. They don't realize, like, if you, oh, I almost missed that mic flip. I almost fuck that shit up. People don't realize, like, if you don't like someone and you want them to go away, just shut up, don't talk about them. But the second you start talking about them more, even if it's in a hateful way, you're just reminding everyone about us. And a lot of the people that are reading your shit don't realize, you don't realize that they actually do fuck with us and like us. So you're helping us.

Yeah. It's kind of like reminds me, okay, here we go. here's going to be the news headline because buddy nielsen just did his thing here's something that buddy nielsen doesn't know when we played warp tour together and he dedicated his set to talking shit about attila they had they would have like 25 minutes and like 15 of it was just talking shit about me what he doesn't know i made so much money on that tour from him because people would come to my tent and say i never heard of your band until buddy nielsen from census failed did a speech talking shit about you. So I ran to the stage to see what was so bad about, I ran to your stage to see what was so bad about you and I fell in love with your band and your music and your charisma. And so I

had to buy your shirts. So like, um, like he, I don't think he knows that, but he helped me so much because every single day someone would come up to me and say, never heard of you. I fucking never heard of a Tiller of Franz, but buddy Nielsen kept talking about you. And, I had to see why you were so fucking bad, and I fucking love your music, and I bought a shirt, and I bought a stay sick shirt, too, and I'm here to hang out. And it's like, I'm like, dude, hate is so nice. It helps so much. Thank you so much. I appreciate it. But yeah, no, I haven't talked to Buddy in years, and apparently, according to the podcast, he just did, we squashed the beef. So I'm cool with that. I don't. Sick. I don't care at all. I love everyone. And I told Buddy to his face

when I first met him that I loved since his fail and grew up listening to his music and appreciate what he does and I mean, I don't care I'm, I also don't hold grudges and I'm not a negative person, so I don't even have any negative bones in my body. I'm just happy to be here. You can't have grudges, man.

No, not at all. Let him like do their thing for five years and then it's time to drop it. I think after five years, you're good, right? Yeah. It's good, like. Yeah. So you have time for the fill the beef and then once it passes, you're just fucking... But what started it, though? Um, what started it.

So he, he didn't like that I use the F word in my songs. Oh, okay. And I explained to him, well, I was like, I don't use it in a derogatory way. I use it in an empowering way because growing up with the fucking voice I have, I was called the F word all the time. And people just were derogatory towards me my whole life. And then I wrote a song where I said, who's the F word now? And that's, I guess, what blew up his temper.

But I explained to him in person that it was me, it was like a term of empowerment saying like all these people called me that. But what are you doing in your life now? Because you're working at the middle of the mall. And I'm touring the world with my friends. It was nothing to do with sexuality. and it never was. It's just something that got misconstrued because I think it's easy to kind of just poke at us

and kind of pick out what you would like to pick out and hate us for whatever. But when you know the true context of it, it's kind of like, yeah, this was never said in an offensive way. But long story short, I thought him and I squash the Beef Day 1 of Warped Tour because we met up, we hugged. I thought that was it.

And then he talked about me on stage every day for 45 days. What the fuck? Yeah. Sick. So it just turned, it turned into this like massive fucking thing

for like no reason because I thought we handled it but whatever. It's long gone and done and it's all good. What year was that? I love everyone. Probably 2015 or 2016.

One of those years. And you were known, especially on that tour, like you were known I'm like one of the only band. First of all, there's a lot of bands on that fucking tour. You're one of only guys getting up in the morning.

Yeah. Getting breakfast with everyone, setting up the tent. That's why Kevin Lyman wanted me to buy Warp Tour and take it over. He was like, you're the only band person I've ever seen that literally wakes up every single morning and gets breakfast and is setting up your tent at 8 a.m. There's not a single band member that does that. And I just, I put my work ethic and, and, in my business above anything. So, I mean, I would party on Warped Tour. I would drink.

I would hang out with everyone. But I would just make sure that, you know, I go to bed by 10 or 11, like, be responsible. Like, wake up. I got to get my shit done. Like, I've got a family to provide for. I've got to sling my stay sick clothes and make shit happen. Mm-hmm. Oh, I heard a saying.

And it's part of sums up our life pretty much. want to hang out with the owls, you have people willing to get up with the birds. And that's, that's kind of like, like a punishment I'll do to myself. I haven't, I haven't heard that one. That's funny though. This is the reason, like, maybe like, two months ago. Someone told me that, like, that's literally what I do. Because sometimes you hang out late or, like, you go out.

If you're going out for no drinks or drinks, like, if I drink right now, I'm going to get up at a certain time, go to gym, hungover and punish myself, but you're still going to get work done. You have to. If you want to do this, well, you still got to do this. That's me and good. go out at night and then oh wait i won't get up early in the morning no no no no if you want to do this you still have to do this especially but the thing is even more so like if you're a musician

it's even you're even you're already in like a lazy fucking group of people so so the fact that you can even party and then still get up in the morning like that's that that sets you apart from a lot of i'll say 95% oh yeah easy and that's why kevin lineman was shocked he would just look at like you're a fucking animal because how are you doing this and I'm like I'm driven like I've got to I've got to succeed if I don't succeed that's it I've got a family you know got shit to provide for like besides myself so I yeah I hustle my ass off on that tour and it it was it was great it's good times it's worth it yeah you know it's to start something new like you're gonna eat shit for two years three years and finally like someone starts really a lot of people start buying like you know stay stick

stage stick uh merch like a mom was fucking broke for two three years you know yeah no i i i always tell people like because everyone they see the success of something but they don't see the hard work that you put in but i always tell people when i started stay sick clothing um i ate shit for two years and i didn't make any money like nothing at all and then like because I was so persistent and I never gave up or quit on it after two years. It was like, pop off, blow up. So shit got big and, you know, then it was just like, cool. It's because I stayed consistent. And that's the biggest thing I tell people when you're starting a business or a band or whatever, because a lot of people are like, why is my band not blowing up? And I'm like,

all right, how long have you been a band one year? I'm like, you know that Attila didn't make a single penny for like seven years. Like, we started. when I was 14 and I think I got the first penny when I was like 20 or 21. And I'll never forget that moment because our tour manager handed me an envelope and I opened it and saw cash and I handed it back to him and I said, what the fuck is this? And he's like, you guys made money. And I'm like, you don't make money from being in a band. So why did you just hand me money? And he was like, yeah, you guys made money on this tour. Like, everything's paid. Here you go. And I was like, what the fuck? I got to get a bank account.

now? Like, what is this? Like, I was just playing music because I loved it. Yeah. I didn't know you made money, but people just have that reverse mentality where they're so heavily focused on money and success that they forget that it's all stemmed from passion. So if you don't have passion, persistence, perseverance, you're never going to get the money and the success. Yes. So you've got to reverse your mindset and kind of go backwards with it. It is a backwards way of thinking. It is. like it's like what gets you like the success or money it's like a backwards way don't focus on it for a while and make sure your your passion is fucking focus on your passion and everything else will follow if you're good at what you do and you're genuine and you're not lying or faking you're gonna succeed it'll happen agreed what happened to the big six um so the big six essentially um just it was turning like i thought it was just gonna be like this like

fun like small studio project and it was turning into something that was so like like so many plans and so time consuming and um i just got way too caught up with a lot of things going on in my life specifically attila um i had a new baby um i started four LLCs this year like i'm so busy with everything i'm doing i don't have time to like full time commit it's like having another girlfriend when you're already like, you're just already overwhelmed. Like, so, yeah. Yeah, me and Joe dropped out

and they became something else. Mm. That's it, huh? It's busy as fuck. Yeah. He's good. It seemed like a cool, quite idea. Can I be honest with you?

Okay, so, uh, yeah. When I saw the big six, I'm like, you're not going to include your boys over here? You're not going to include Eddie or come on. Yeah, come on, man. Come on. Put him in there. I mean, it all just started because, like, it was, like, half of the people in that photo.

It was, like, half of us, like, in a room. They came to our Salt Lake City show. And I was, like, kind of just, like, talking about shit and being, like, yeah, man. Like, I've always wanted to have, like, a boy band. But, like, instead of, like, in sync, it's just all, like, death core screamers. And I was, like, that'd be sick. And then, um, Tyler was, like, actually, like, I'm already, like, playing in something like that.

You want to be in it? And I'm like, uh, yeah, duh. Because, like, I already, like, have this same vision. So let's fucking run it. So, yeah, that's it. Isn't, uh, isn't in sync back? They are. That's, that's heavy, dude.

Yeah, yeah. That's heavy as fuck. Yeah, they're back. And, uh, Joey Fatone's my next door neighbor. No. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's my next door neighbor.

So when I go on my bike ride every day, I ride my bike by his house. You ever seen him outside? chilling? Yeah, what's up, dude? Actually, no, and I'm surprised, because I ride my bike a lot, and I've never fucking seen them, but we have a lot of mutual friends, because, I mean, I live in the same fucking town, so.

Yeah, what made you move from Georgia to Florida? So, I moved from Georgia to Florida when I was, like, 20, so it was when I was having my first son, and honestly, just Orlando seemed like a good place to raise a family, and my baby mom at the time

had grown up around, there. So moved to Florida, and I love it. Also, I was born in Florida, so it was like, I was born in South Florida near Miami, lived there for like two years or so, two or three years. Grew up my whole life in Atlanta area where I was raised, and then I kind of went back, and it just felt natural. I love Florida. Florida's my favorite state in the country, and I just, I feel very at home there. Yeah, I don't know if you were born there in Florida. Yeah. Shit. It's put, it's, it's, it's, Is Wikipedia wrong again? God.

So being born in Florida is super rare, by the way. Like... Is it really? Yeah, because like... I mean, so let me just give you a statistic. When the pandemic started, I mean, we're in California right now. This is the most strict state during the pandemic, right? Yeah.

Florida... It sucked. We had like... We had our shutdown and everyone abided and this and that. But then after our shutdown, every single business, opened and everyone could do whatever the fuck they wanted during the whole pandemic, you guys were locked down in California for like years it felt like. But for us, it was like, every business was open.

You could do anything you want. Like, I went to Daytona once and there was people just, no one wore masks ever. Like no one in Florida was wearing masks. People were smoking cigs indoors. But the most fucked up thing is that this is where, this is where it's fucked. we had the least amount of COVID cases out of any state in the U.S. Like we, there was no,

like there was barely any COVID in Florida and we were the least restricted. But, um, but yeah, no, uh, shit was wild. Uh, fuck. I'm trying to remember what I was just going to say. Uh, um, no, I just, uh, oh, this is,

a statistic. So since the pandemic happened, um, Florida is actually the most immigrated to state. and all of the U.S. So there's... Really? Yeah.

So just, like, immigrated, meaning not like international, but just within United States of America, Florida is the most immigrated state. Like, everyone immigrates to Florida, and our shit is blowing up. So, like, it's cool if you own a home already. But for people trying to come to Florida, it's kind of fuck because, like,

the prices are so damn high right now. Especially after post-COVID, a lot of people are going to either Florida or, like, Or like Austin, Texas. Because like, think about it. People, people were stuck somewhere. And, um, yeah, Florida ranked number one in domestic migration.

So, wow. Yeah, so everyone is coming to Florida. Yeah, dude. So Florida's blowing the fuck up because everyone's like, damn, like, my state's strict. Like, I want to live my life. Like, I want to do shit. I want to go have fun and run my business. And so everyone's just coming to Florida.

Number two, an international. Wild. That is really wild. Thank goodness I got my home in 2015. If not, there's no fucking way I'd be able to afford that shit. Everything's blowing up. Well, Franz, you're always a forward thinker. And people don't know about your band is you guys kind of blew up on your fifth record, which is odd.

Yeah. It's very odd. Very odd. Obviously, when we were hanging out, that was like you're kind of at the last of your fourth record. Yep. I want to say I'm gonna be honest So I love

You I love Spencer from Iceland kills I watch Iceland kills This band fucking sucks And you guys I'm like what What the fuck is going on? And to see your two bands Just grow

Into what What you guys were hard for it It is it is unreal Yeah It is unreal did see like this i saw it for a month i'm like this is kind of not the sickest but but but minch saw something in you and uh and spencer as well i'm like but you guys became your your bands yeah how was like because chris joins in 2008 and it seems there was there was a shift there

what was like was there a switch because obviously that tour was in 2012 and then uh about the life drops 2013 early yeah i would say like Honestly, what just happened was we were recording with Joey Sturgis when Joey Sturgis was like, you know, like the guy you had to go to. Yeah. And we recorded with Joey Sturgis. Our first album with him was when he still lived in Connersville, Indiana, which is the middle of bumfuck nowhere. Like absolute, like the nearest Starbucks is like an hour and a half away type shit. Wild.

But then Joey Sturgis for about that life, when we recorded. with him. He moved, he started getting like some fucking money. So he rented a mansion in Detroit, which it's Detroit. So I mean, it's not that expensive to get a mansion there. No offense. But I mean, at least not in 2000 like fucking, you know, 12 or 13 when we recorded. But yeah, he had a mansion in Detroit. So it was kind of like it was the height of when Attila was at our craziest, like as people. Like we were just crazy fucking people But also we got sent to a mansion Oh my goodness

So we're in this like gangster mansion And we're also at our peak like party phase Where we're just wild as shit And so about that life is just a product of like So much like crazy I don't know drugs, alcohol, you name it Like everything was happening And we were just

grinding and recording and making whatever the fuck we wanted and no one could tell us anything. Like we just were there like unapologetically raw. And then about that life was born. It makes sense when you think about it, you know? Put some crazy fucking like wild dudes from Atlanta in a mansion in Detroit and give us like unlimited access to all this crazy shit. And we're just like, yeah. That's sick as fuck. About that life.

Let's fucking go. We're like, let's just be crazy. So, like, what we were living in real life was actually, like, being portrayed through the album. Hmm. What was, like, what was the running process for that particular record? I don't remember anything. Really? No, dude.

Wow. Are you serious? No, dude. That's sick. Yeah. I remember nothing. We were partying too hard. Do you think I personally believe this?

I think there's an element that people don't like about some music that it's just part of like the ingredient to make music that people love. Yeah. Like you need like out of control people. Yeah. You know. And we were out of control. I know that we did have a lot of the music pre-pro in advance,

which we did in Atlanta. But yeah, no, we were just wild. And we would improv shit. Like we would like middle fingers up. we wrote middle fingers up with a deck of cards. Excuse me? Yeah. What?

So basically, you would take out a certain number of cards and keep like face cards and keep like cards like one through four or something. And what you would do is you would randomly draw a card. We would each pick one out. And like a jack would be a bend, like a bang. And then like, a king would be like a slide or something. And then like a one would be like a dint. And then like a three would be a did a d-da-d-d-d-d-d-t.

So we just drew cards and threw the cards on the floor. And then that's how Middle Fingers Up was written. We just drew cards. What? No one's never known that, actually. It's pretty cool. What? Are you serious?

Yeah. We made a song with a deck of cards. whose idea was that I think it was Joey's idea the deck of cards yeah so so the

what the jack was a wow yeah like one certain face cards would be like a or like a or like a you know

or like a each card represented a different thing and then obviously like the number cards would be like dint dint

dint but we would have to follow the cards so we each just got to pick out a card and create a song. Wow. And it's one of our biggest songs ever. It is. We just wrote it with a deck of cards. What happened to your band?

Because it seems like from the outside, because like from experience, like a certain type of lifestyle is not sustainable. Mm-hmm. And it seems like I don't know where it kind of seems like you came out with this EP and like it's felt like a new band. Yeah.

It was like what was this was, did something happen? Was here at talk was like you guys, some of you guys got up more straight heading your shoulders like what happened? A lot of that. So, Othilla's been unsigned for probably like four or five years now. And essentially our guitarist, Chris, is one of the of like the best rock producers in the world right now. He's fucking phenomenal. Everything he touches turns to gold. So we started self-producing. So now we just write music with ourselves.

And our, so when I say change of style, you have to keep in mind, we have an EP out. We've got like four or five songs out, but we have like 20 more songs in the chamber. So we have burp. We have, we have, like two of the heaviest death core songs ever right now like but we haven't dropped those yet we're kind of keeping those in the chamber we're kind of keeping those in the chamber because like since we're releasing these songs where I'm actually doing clean singing on the choruses we're kind of waiting for people to like talk even more shit and be like fuck this is not heavy so that way we could just like double blast them with like a shotgun to the face and be like all right here's the death core songs This might be where you want the reaction, but you're not going to get it because people actually are loving this stuff.

It took you, Vrons, it took you a career. It feels like people are starting to come around and like respect the time. Yeah. And like this came out and it seems like people are talking about you like a other band. It's crazy. Oh yeah. It's like we're a different band with the same name. But yeah, like it comes down to just us maturing.

We're all older now. like I said about that life we were crazy like doing drugs wild shit whatever blah blah blah that was very real to what we were doing now we're mature like we're all in our 30s like we've got kids and shit like we're not i'm not gonna sing about like fucking orgies and in drugs because i'm not doing any of that shit anymore you know what i mean it's not authentic so everything i'm singing about now is authentic but also we're self-producing we have no one telling us what to do or trying to force us to be a certain way. So we're doing music that to us is 100% authentic.

And for the first time in our career, we're getting a lot of recognition from people we didn't think we would. Interesting. XM Octane Radio. We're played like five, six times a day on Octane Radio. It's fucking nuts. Jose Mangan loves us. And it's like we've been a band forever,

but now we're finally catching people's attention in a different way. And we're getting all the Danny Wimmer. festivals, like, which we've gotten a couple in the past, but now we're getting all of them, which is something I'm super thankful for, because when it comes down to it, I would say no one's ever believed in Attila except for... Attila? Us, yeah. Yeah.

But now, like, Danny Wimmer, Jose Mangan, the whole team at Octane, like, they believe in us, and it's cool to finally have someone that believes in us. So it says Chris producing, maybe put it in more time, maybe it's more focused. Chris? Yeah, I mean, Chris is a full-time producer. That's his full-time gig now. Like, when he's not on tour with us, like right now, he's producing full-time.

The second he lands in Atlanta, he's getting right back on a plane, or sorry, the tour ends in Atlanta, but the second the tour's over, he's going on a plane and coming right back to L.A., to the studio in L.A., that him and Tyler Carter are starting. That's great.

He's just going to be recording nonstop. Like, that's all he does is record and produce. That's sick. Well, Franz, unfortunately, I have limited time. So, I got to ask you, what, uh, what's, what are some regrets in your career? Ooh. Damn, that's a deep one. No one's ever asked me what my regrets are.

Damn. I feel like, I feel like my answers might offend people. Well, you're at the one place where you probably say that. I really like. our album chaos, but I think it came out at the wrong time. I think that should have been later down the road. So it's not like I regret

that. I think it's a phenomenal album. I think it was just wrong place, wrong time. Happens, dude sucks. You know? I mean, you... Like, not to call you out, but you've had a suicide silence album where you probably felt that way. Of course, yeah. Wrong place, wrong time.

Wrong place, wrong time, wrong mindset. Like, I love this album and I think it's cool but wrong place wrong time um you know I mean that's what it comes down to but other than that I would say I don't really have any regrets at all in Attila's career because um it's you know life is waves like there's no such thing is just this you're not gonna just fucking go up forever life is waves you're gonna go like this like this it is it's just are you strong enough to withstand the waves and keep fucking rocking. And we are.

100%. So here we are. Some ways are sometimes you get fucking battered by a crazy wave. You're like, I'm not going to get out of this one. Yeah. And then you do. It's weird. Yeah. And you got to respect people that have gone through the wave, dude. Yeah. You know, because so many times

you just want to quit. That's the thing. Most people do quit. They get beaten down by a wave and they're going down and they're just like fuck it, done. But you can't quit. If you don't fucking quit, you'll never lose. Got to keep going forever. Damn, that is true. Cheers. Cheers, man. Well, Franz, it was great to, I wish I had more more time, but once your said time? I play at 940. What time is it? It's 833. That's sick as

fuck. Make it in time? Yeah, no, I'll make it in time. Yeah, no, I'm, I could just like talk forever. I'm just, you know, I'm that dude. Yeah. Well, Franz, any, I never asked before. Any closing thoughts? Any closing thoughts? I would just say, love you in suicide silence. Hopefully we can tour together again soon. That'd be great. Closing thoughts, I would say, just be on the lookout for new Attila music because we have so much new material. And it does, a lot of it is super heavy.

It's all over the place. It's really just a big mix of music. But be on the lookout for new Attila music. And it looks like next year in 2024, we're going to do a co-headliner with Born of Osiris in the U.S. And probably also in Europe. So be on the lookout and come see us because we're always on tour. We play every city in the world.

Oh, yeah, there's our Instagram. Give us a follow. We're friendly people. Come say hi. And, yeah, that's probably about it. The Misunderstood Franz. The misunderstood Farns. Well, have a safe rest of the tour,

and it's good to see you, man. Yeah, good to see you, man. All right, man. Thank you. All right, everyone. That's it. Later.