Garza Podcast - 103 - ORTHODOX: Big Pants Music, SOAD & Band Addictions

Episode Date: November 6, 2023

Garza sits down in-person with Nashville, Tennessee band ORTHODOX. https://www.linktr.ee/orthodoxtn SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB ORTHODOX is: Adam Easterling - Vocals Austin Evans - Guitar Shiloh Krebs- Bass Mike White - Drums CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Mobile Game/Gambling Addiction 04:55 - Gym Addiction 07:17 - Mike’s Willy Wonka Slot Machine Addiction 12:45 - Adam’s Hockey Addiction 15:12 - Stick To Your Guns Tour 19:02 - System of a Down 23:16 - Genre Discussion 28:31 - Adam Formed the Band In High School 31:58 - “Body and Soul” 37:22 - Writer’s Block 41:06 - Big Pants Music 44:11 - Writing “Cave In” 49:59 - Finding a Good Place to Write Music  55:01 - What Pickups & Amps They Use 1:01:43 - Growing Up in Nashville, ChristCore 1:08:14 - Garza Podcast Coffee

We all have, like, the one band that we super love, and then the rest of us are like... What's the one band then? That you guys all love? That we all agree on? Yeah. Boundaries. Yeah. There you go.

I mean, I love Slip-Nod, too. I would say Slip-Nod probably. I would say Slip-Nod would be the one-man. That's also the most... I would say that. Well, yeah, probably Slip-Not and not New Metal, but Gojira probably. Those are the two that you can trace back to our songwriting them most, like, obviously. Definitely.

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I got to... What a... what game is that? It's called Idol. Slayer. It's an idle, incremental game. It's like, have you ever played like cookie clicker? No. We're going to go down. You ever played

Dinglebopper? It's one of those games where you like start off with like no money and then as you as you make money you can buy more upgrades to make more money to buy more upgrades.

It's like it never, it just doesn't end. Oh, you're in and fucked. You're in. Yeah. Okay. So it's like, it's, it doesn't cost any money. But you have put money into it. A lot.

I've put a lot of money into it. Which doesn't make any sense. Is it, okay, we won't, we won't put on a number. Is it above $100? Yes. Is it so low $1,000? Is it below $1,000? Oh, God.

Oh, okay. Wow. It is below a thousand. The question is a number? Huh? Do you know the number? I don't. But I'm.

And that's the problem. I'm certain it's below a thousand. It's probably, it's probably between eight and a thousand. I'm going to say it's between six and a thousand. Oh my God. Dude. At what point is it too much money? I've never even put, I've never put so much money into a game, like even close to that.

Maybe it hasn't been $600. Hold on. Blackjack. Yeah. Okay, relax. That's a little different. It's not different. I'm saying video game.

video games don't ever put that much money i spend a lot of money on in app purchases micro transactions they have me hooked yeah that's how that's how that's how they just lock you in you know yeah yeah it's my vice i'll be playing a i'll be playing a game and they're like dude we got this new skin it doesn't do anything for you but it's twenty dollars fuck it sucks dude so sick slaying ratmen in nore Northlanders with the It's just It's always about the rat man

It's always about I'm so sick of hearing About the rat man When I get home I'm gonna slay some rat men Mm hmm You know most I spend on an app It was probably like a

A little bit under a hundred bucks It was like a golf game I got a ticket to it I think it was like a Tiger Woods Thing Nice It was like one year that Apple came out with It was sick as fuck

And then you want like more like I don't know you want more Club options You want you want the power stroke Yeah Yep. He won. Yeah, there it is.

Perfect. That's it. That was a sick game. And since then, Apple has not topped a good golf game. It sucks at it stopped. It was fucking amazing. PGA Tour 2012. Yeah, I mean, I go through seasons where it's like, I'll be playing one game a lot and putting money into it.

And then one day I turned the game on and I'm like, I never want to play this again. So I just erase it off my phone. This isn't the first game that I've put a bunch of. of money into. How many games? It's probably like the fourth. Fourth? Or fifth?

So you probably spend three grand? I don't know. It's in the thousands for micro transactions on phone games. It's a base player thing, I think, right? On phone games alone. Yeah. It's probably, it's probably $2,000 on phone games.

Jesus. I've seen that why you didn't want to do this podcast. Well, we're not recording any of this, though, right? Yeah, dude, we've been going the past, minutes. You're lying. No. We're in. This is it. Oh, okay. Are we going? The camera's on. The camera's on.

I have a spending problem. I have a spending problem. We all do. In your own ways. I don't. No way. In your private lives, your straight edge, but addictions come out in other ways, it seems. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, we all have our vice. Mine is spending money on micro-transactions.

On video games. Yeah. So dope. What other vices? Yeah, let's go around and talk about our faults. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I just live in the gym, dude. I can't get enough of a pump. God.

The games, bro. Endless quest for the pump. Yeah. How long are you in a gym for? Like, on a daily? A daily. Probably like, no, yeah, 48 hours of a day. Probably two to three hours a day.

I work out almost every day. but I have my rest days because they're essential for muscle growth. You have to, although I'd rather not. But yeah, I don't know. It's always just like if I take too much time off of the gym, I start to feel fucking crazy, so I have to. Of course. Yeah, it's a really weird thing. Like getting into the gym and then, especially like going on tour and not having full access to a gym is like really strange.

I don't know. Like, I mean, we finally have dumbbells now where we can do a little bit of something while we're on tour, but it's not the same, obviously. because you're very limited to what you can do. But yeah, I love the gym. So, wait, so were you joking when you said two to three hours a day? No, no. I mean, like, that's probably my max. I won't go any further than that.

I don't like live in the gym. What's your average? My average, like how long I spend in the gym? Yeah, about two to three hours. That's almost 21 hours. That's almost a day a week. That's a lot. Yeah.

True. Hey, bro. We're talking about addictions here. Yeah, yeah. I'm sorry. We're airing it out. Well, yeah, okay, I do smoke cigarettes. We exist.

No, I'm just going to. Damn, dude. Yeah, wait for that to get clipped. The nicotine straight edgers. That's a really big adjustment as you said. That's awesome right there. It's like the, yeah, that guy. That's him.

That's the live shot. It's like the, it's like the people who. How he sleeps. Who vape with like zero milligram nicotine, like, juice in it. And they're just like, dude, like, you're vaping. Why are? are you vaping. Like it's just

people with the box mods and they're like dude there's no nicotine and they're like and they're like doing twisters and shit. Oh my goodness. Silly. Mike. Oh, my vice.

Yeah. I think it I think it just runs with coffee in the band. It's the Willy Wonka slot machine. Oh yeah. Oh, and Blackjack. Yeah.

I thought we weren't going to bring up Wonka. Look up the Willie Wonka Slot. Look up Willie Wonka Slot. Yeah, Vegas. What's this? This is the best, this is the greatest name on Earth. It's down, down, down.

No, it's right. That one. Looking at some of the bitch. Is this in Vegas? Yeah. It's everywhere. It's everywhere. He's.

All right, get that off of there. He's saying stuff to me. Yeah. He actually started twitching. But that machine specifically, like we went to. Mohican son. We were in Mohegan Sun. Connecticut, yeah.

And I was like, dude, the Willie Wonka Machine. I forget who I watched play the Willie Wonka Machine first. But it was like on a previous tour. Someone was like playing the Willy Wonka machine. And I was walking with Mike and I was like, they got the Willy Wonka machine. Was it Chris? It could have been Chris Burgess from IAM. It could have been.

I feel like it would have been Sean. Might have been Sean. I don't think it was anyone from burials. I feel like it was just like a couple months ago. Regardless, I'm like, do the Willy Wonka slot machine. You got to play the Willy Wonka slots. I was like, all right. So.

He put 20 bucks in and won 100. 100. Immediately. I was like, oh. And it's fun. They make Opa lupaloupos dance around and shit. Not to mention, this is also Mike's first time gambling ever. Not slots, not slots.

Oh, I didn't know that. No, first time playing blackjack. So I take the 100, blackjack, lose it. We're losing. Okay. We're down a little bit. And then I took out 100 before that. Yeah.

Okay. Start smashing. $500. No, $300. Yeah. And then I'm like, all right, let's just hit Wonka on the way out. 20. Another 100.

Another jack. Just instantly. Yeah. I'm like, all right. So, Willie Wonka's been good to us. The last time we went. We have a thing now.

The last time we went to the casino was not that long ago. And you put money in the Wonka machine and won again. Yep, instantly. Yeah, instantly. Should we say what our end of tour plan is? Or should we save that in case we want to make a video out of it? I don't care. We are putting our guarantee in Vegas.

In the Willy Wonka machine in Vegas. Because our last show's in Vegas. So we were like, we should put our guarantee on black. And I was like, no, no, no, we need to put it in the Wauka. Everybody does the guarantee at Rulet on black or red. They're always like, oh, come on, we've got to put it down on black. Yeah, so we're going to take all $26,000 we're making in Vegas. Yeah, and putting it in the Wauke machine.

The Orthodox guarantee. 26,000. You know what they call that? They call that beginner's luck. That's right. Well, we're still at the beginning, Chris. As a band gangway. Listen, we're not going to talk about Elko Nevada on this podcast.

I'm fucking sick of that place. Austin lost his shirt in Elko Nevada. Yeah. Yep. I had everything. I was up, and then it was down. Tremendous. It was the dealer.

Everybody loves all the days. It was the dealer, dude. Marsia, fuck that bitch. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Yeah. My fault.

Mercy, she was great. I love Mercy. I wish she could have stayed the whole time, but they always do their shifts. And then Marcia came, and then she started taking everything from me. Then I lost all my money. Helmut at gunpoint.

Yeah, she literally said, hey, give me. All of them. And I was like, dude, fucking I guess. So then she took all my money. And then I left and I was really upset about it. There's Elko right there. Yeah, Elko Nevada.

Look up. Where is that? Maverick Hotel and Casino. It was the Maverick Hotel and Casino. Elko? Where is that? Right there. Yeah, it's in the middle of fucking,

it's like a college town, apparently. People go to college there. I don't know what you could possibly learn in Elka Nevada. They had one blackjack table open. And it was a Monday night. And everybody was, pretty down. Nobody was really stoked to be there.

There's competition. There's competition in Alcoe. They were talking about gold dust. The other casino there is taking all the taking all the people they beef. Casino beef and Elko. Yeah, but we went to Gold Dust first and it is...

And they took all my money there. Not cool. It's not cool. If I had to base an opinion off of just sitting and watching my friends lose all their money, gold dust was not it. That guy's having a good time. My goodness.

He's all oiled up. Damn. That's, uh, that's Austin about two years. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Here's the thing. Beginners luck is a thing, but you have to feed the machine. That's what you have to do when you gamble. So I lost all my money in Elko. Okay. But at the end of this tour, or at this, this first half, we end in Vegas, hotel somewhere. We're putting it all back down on blackjack. And I'm going to make so much money. That's how this goes.

You have to feed the machine thing. Sounds like the opening of some. Gambler's Anonymous story. Yeah, but the difference with Wonka is like he decides who wins. Yeah. There's no feeding Wonka. William Wonka is a fan of Miguel Blanco. Look at him. Except the Johnny Depp Willie Wonka.

I hate that guy. Yeah, I would box that dude instantly. But not him. The freak. Why do you hate him? I just don't. I just don't like that. I just don't like that era of Willy Wonka.

No, he looks funny. It's awful. That was Johnny Depp. Yeah, yeah. And then you got the new little Timothy Shalomey now. Oh, yeah. It's probably fine. They made him crazy there.

Isn't it? Is this actually a thing? Yeah. Is this a number of? Yeah. That's fucked up. All right, Adam. Last spice.

Coffee and hockey. Hockey. Hockey, for sure. Okay. Yeah. I don't play it. I'm just obsessed with it. Oh, just you just watch games.

Yeah. I've got probably three or four or five podcasts that I listen to throughout every week during the season. and when it's off season I can literally feel myself getting tired of music because I don't have my hockey podcast Like I realized it this summer

Because I was listening to a record And I was like I've listened to this way too much Why am I running through shit way too fast? And I was like oh it's because Steve Dangle podcast doesn't have any episodes So Oh wow Is there any teams up in Nashville?

National Predators, yeah Okay And that's uh I'm sorry I'm not first in hockey at all I know I know Hey, neither am I. Okay. I know the ducks.

I just listen to them, talk. And we're in. I don't know. I don't know what it's all about. They just hit each other. Well, you're, uh, you're less than 10 miles from the Honda Center, Anaheim Ducks. Oh, currently. I thought you met in Nashville.

I was like, that's not true. But yeah. That's not true. Are we about the beef? How do you feel about the Ducks? They are, it's hard to hate a team that's so bad. Fuck, man. I mean, I'm not even saying that like, on like, oh, your team sucks.

Your team is literally at a point of like we are trying to be bad to get good draft picks to be better. Dude, the funniest thing about this band is that sometimes, or at least we used to, I don't think we do anymore because we had to talk about it. But Adam used to just like before sets be like, your hockey team sucks. Like there was one specific time in Winnipeg, Canada, that we were playing. And he was just like, that shit was awesome. Dude, Adam was just like, yo, fuck the Winnipeg Jets. And everybody in the crowd was like,

It was crickets. They were just like, dude, what the fuck? They were like, start the shit. Let's start this head. Let's start play, please. Let's get the fuck out of it. I would do it in Chicago and we would get like heckles back and that was like the whole point. He said, like, go to cities where you know there's a strong presence of that and you get them to interact and then you have fun. And I'm like, oh, Canada, you love hockey.

And then I said that and nobody said it was like, well, fuck me. It didn't land. You could do the vocal check. You can go check, check, fuck the blackhawks. Yeah. Oh, I did not a lot. Yeah. This is serious. Yeah.

There's Winnipeg Jets. If you come to the Stick to Your Guns Show, you can get a comeback kid Winnipeg Jets rip t-shirt. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I'm glad I'm really stoked that it worked out for you guys because we were close to Torn together.

Yes. We were close. Yes. And then it didn't happen. And then literally, I think like a week later, like this work got announced. Yeah. Yeah, it was within the week that we got the offer and was like,

oh. And said yes. And then it got announced like immediately. Yeah. No time at all. Very short turnaround for that. It worked out perfectly. Sometimes this works out that way.

It's weird. Like one, you'll be stressing you don't have any plans and you get like a random offer. It's so like what? You can't, you can't plan it. It's why it's always so like emotionally draining. Well, and it's nice to get offers when you're on tour. Yeah. Which is how it's to have more shows announced before you're done playing shows is the best.

We haven't had the best luck with that sometimes. Really? And then it's like this rolls around. we're like, yo, dope. Yeah. We're getting offers while we're on the road, and that's like how it's supposed to be. Yeah.

So that was very cool. And that, this tour now is like, polar opposite of like our tour we would have done. Yeah. Which is equally cool because it's like, oh, we can step foot in this world for a little bit. Yeah. Because we've never played to the Stik Tuguns comeback kid crowd,

I feel like, because they're a little older. They don't really like, you know, coming up in the new wave. So it's interesting playing. to this crowd, but, like, it's been super sick every night. Got a lot of people that come up to the merch table, like, never heard of you guys, this was crazy,

like, I'll be checking you guys out, I'll be telling all my friends about you, it's like, fucking sick, it's cool. Yeah. Being the sore thumb on the tour is dope. Yeah, it is. We're definitely the heaviest band on the lineup. I think we may be, we're definitely the lowest tuned. That's for sure. Just barely, just barely.

Yeah, but the other band's playing C-sharp standard, and we just play and drop. That's it. Oh, my bad. drop A or drop B Drop B. Nice. Psycho dude. Yeah, it's cool because like we all grew up with like the death core stuff but also a lot of us have

We're and are still very heavily involved In like our actual hardcore scenes where we live And so being in like a very I guess you could objectively call us a metal core band We do a lot of more like metal adjacent stuff So to do something that's actually really heavily Into the hardcore world was like a cool kind of out of the blue thing especially just because, like, me and Austin in particular,

comeback kid was like an introductory band to that world for me. So stick to your guns was mine. Yeah. Dude, when Diamond came out, I was like, dude, this is, this is it. Yeah. Like, this is that, that positive, like, cool, hardcore shit. And then it's like, oh, 10 years later. Okay.

That record turned on a lot of heads. I remember when, went, well, dropped. Yeah. Yeah. You know what band I was listening to today? Another mistake. Dude. Crazy.

He sings for this band, Tyler Short. Okay. I literally have one of their shirts in my car. That was like another one of those bands that I saw them play this tiny fest in Nashville and was like hooked. And not so much now, but early on Orthodox, you could absolutely watch. We did a tour with another mistake and knocked loose in like 2015. And you could see, if you were to watch another mistake and then watch Orthodox, you could literally be like, oh, Adam really likes how Tyler moves as a vocalist.

Because I literally was like his fluidity and how he performed. I was like, I want to be like that. And so singer of another mistake was a huge influence on me just in figuring out how to be comfortable on stage. So that's crazy that you brought that up because that band never got the recognition they deserved. Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned that that was like the first hardcore band

that you really like connected with in like a deep level. I'm sure, yeah, but I was like a vocalist, you know. Yeah, yeah. Perspective. So basically it's Tyler and Serge. Yeah, pretty much. Yeah. What is it about system of breakdown that people just love?

I don't know. What is it? I don't know. Crazy. What's your take? That's so far. Not everybody else talk first because I could talk. Yeah, I know.

Sit down for a second. Yeah. The thing with system is that, I mean, like, it was so, I mean, like, I feel like the fan base can be pretty polarizing. Like a lot of people either really love system or they really don't. Just because it's weird, obviously. Growing up, I mean, there was like the BYOB's, chop suey's, like, and I always listen to that stuff. I guess it just like never really hooked for me. Whenever I got into New Metal, it was like the most intense version of New Metal straight out the gate.

So it was like Slipknot. And so of course, whenever you listen to Slipknot and it's just like fast, fast, fast, crazy, crazy. like it's hard for me to go and listen to other new metal bands like after that it's it's that other side of it versus system of it down in corn yeah where they're a lot slower weird and like sludgy and weird yeah i mean like slip not obviously is weird on it's in its own right but it's like way more intense and crazy and in your face in my opinion so whenever i listened to that shit i was like this is fucking sick and whenever i went and listen to other bands that were like that, it just kind of felt like they didn't live up to

the Slip not for me for some reason because it wasn't as crazy. So like, yeah, oh yeah. Those bands never really came through for me at the end of the day. Like, I just wasn't that interested in it. But, you know, whenever I played Tony Hawk Pro Skater 4, it's like fucking, what's the song? Shimmy. Shimmy. Like, whenever that song will come on, it would be like, shimmy, shimmy, yeah, you know, like that song's awesome. But, I mean, like, a lot of system songs are awesome. I just never find myself ever live. listening to it on record. There is that one song that I really like by them, though.

I forget what record it's off of. But there's no point in even talking about it because I don't know. I can look it up. You could hum the riff and I know I tell you it. Well, I don't even remember if I'm like. There is a system riff that I like there. You can go while I figured out. I mean, yeah, System of Down was one of those bands that everybody heard Chop Sui.

Question. Good song. Oh, yeah. That song is amazing. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody heard Chopsooie.

Everybody heard toxicity. Everybody heard those songs. And then like they come out with a dual record hypnotized and mesmerized and like there's some weird tracks on that. Mm-hmm. Weird tracks. Weird tracks. Genius songwriting. Genius.

And it's just like it's almost. It's almost a mockery of themselves where they're just like, yeah, we're just going to, we're going to fuck off. But it's going to be incredible. and like that's what people like about that band what song did we cover we've covered before any of you were in the band the band actually covered shimmy and then we've done prison song

and a bunch of different variations and then we would cover the back half of sweet pee sweet pee pee pee pee pee pee pee yeah yeah that song's cool too and drop B yeah yeah it was heavy as shit dumb it was sick because in the song like he screams like a motherfucker like so loud

and that was like my cue when we would do the cover, so I would just scream it. It was actually cool. I love playing that song. Shallow, you're obviously a massive band. I can, without a doubt, say I

have never listened through a system of a down record. Ever, front to back, on my own volition. Like, he's definitely listened to it in the van. I've definitely listened to it. The band's sick. Never in the mood.

Yeah. Band is very sick, would love to see them live. I'm never in the mood to listen to them on record. That's just like, yeah. Well, probably because you have Adam shoving it in your face. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean, I love corn. That's like the one I love.

Austin's not a big corn fan. We all have like the one band that we super love, and then the rest of us are like, yeah. What's the one band then? The one band, what? You guys all love. that we all agree on? Yeah.

Boundaries. Yeah, Boundaries. Yeah, there you go. I mean, I love Slipknot too. I would say Slipknot would be the one. Yeah, that's also the most...

Universal for us. I would say that. Well, yeah, probably Slipknot and not New Metal, but Gojira probably. Those are the two that you can trace back to our songwriting, the most obviously. Definitely.

Yep. You guys kind of took this sound and did your own, on theme with it. It kind of reminds me, me of us in a weird way. There's a term I've never told anyone. But when we first came out,

obviously you had the death core, which already was hated on. But I thought this sounds like new death metal. Yeah. And when you guys, I hear you guys mention like new metal core. Right. But it's such a term of like people

would just fucking bash you for it. Yeah. I feel like if you put new in front of anything, people like, yeah, whatever poser. Yeah. People are really open to it. I guess, but like, you know, for what it is, it's literally like metalcore music with metal core breakdowns that just have a lot of new metal influence, like, involved with it. I guess, like, you could call it new metal if you want, but like with a lot of older new metal, you didn't hear a lot of breakdowns.

So it's just, I don't know, like kind of forging the two makes the most sense. I mean, combining genres and like messing with the discussion of genres can be fucking, weird for everybody because they're just like, it's one or the other like don't. Well, that's the thing. New metal, though, is just music, man. It's cool. New metal is such a huge blanket of stuff. Like, system of a down. Sonically, system

doesn't really fit into new metal. But because of their theme and where they played, it's like, I literally saw an argument that slip knot isn't a new metal band the other day. Oh, yeah. Because they're so death metal focused. And I'm just like, bro. Like, the discussion of whether it banned

is new metal or not new metal is Like, I feel like every new metal band gets it. And I feel like the most polarizing response probably would be Deftones. Like, do you think Deftones is a new metal band? On record? Yes. If front of lights and cameras, yes. Yes.

And that's how I feel. But a lot of people, and especially my friends, will combat me on that to no end. Like, if you listen to fucking lotion off of around the fur, you don't listen to that and go, like, whatever they would even consider it. Because whenever I ask people if Deftones is a new metal band, and they say no, and I'm like, what the fuck is it? They don't really tell me a genre. And I'm just like, okay, well, like, you know, your argument has to be based off of what you think it is.

And if you don't know what it is, then, like, they're like, well, I don't know what it is, but it's like, it's not new metal. And I'm like, I listen to Lotion. I'm like, dude, that song is a straight up new metal hit. Like, that song is amazing. And I think a lot of new metal back then gets lumped into that because they were trying different stuff.

Right. That's what it was for new metal is like, Limp Biscuit and Slipknot are over here You know what I mean But they were trying new shit And they were just being weird They had DJs

They had all these members They had all this weird shit That's what made new metal band back then And then it sticks You know, deaf tones probably isn't As much a new metal band now Like the next death tone No I wouldn't

No like if you listen to like Gore or Gore Oms Orms or like the new one that's about to come out No Yeah I don't think new metal For sure. But like the first few records. The band is a new metal band in its standing as it's like the historical standing of the band.

Yeah, even though they definitely do not claim that. There's like an interview or something with Chino where I think he like he's offended by somebody saying that they're a new metal band. Because he's like a lot of those dudes back then were like that. That's not what you are. I don't know what that shit is. We're not that. Yeah. I mean, it is what it is.

Like you can claim whatever you want. But like, I don't know. That's just my viewpoint on it. The people are going to tell you what your man is. Yep. That's what it comes down to. Of course, like, you'll have a term on you and that's it. It's like, well, it's nothing you can do.

Whatever Sue we wanted to be back then, you all are Death Corps band. Period. You have, you have no say. Yep. Yeah. Just play. And that's cool. And if we're a new metal band, cool.

I don't think we are. I think we all love new metal and we toss it in there. But yeah. I think we're just a. I just say we're a metal band. It's a metal band. You can literally go part to part. It's like, oh, that sounds like metalcore.

That sounds like hardcore. That sounds like new metal. That sounds like bullshit. It all just gets roped in, man, like straight up. Yeah. Don't know. Man, we would say that we're a metal band. People got pissed even more.

Oh, really? You guys aren't real metal. Yeah, that's not what you're a real metal is. Have you listened to death? You're a fucking poser. Yeah. Have you listened to death? Obituary.

It's like, bro. Come on. Yeah. Grow up or don't grow up? I don't know. Don't buy the tickets then. I don't know what to tell you. Death to false metal.

That's the false metal. That includes 95% of bands. There's the 5% that are actual metal bands. Yeah, please kill me. Yeah. Kill me. My fault. Irem, did you, uh, did you form the band in your senior year of high school?

Yes. Okay. Yeah. Uh, it was a couple of other guys that were in Nashville. And they actually, I went to them. They basically were like, yo, we are looking for a vocalist. Do you know anybody? because I played drums and all the first bands that I ever was in.

And I was like, I don't know, but it's like vocals looking to do vocals, but I'll do it. And that's kind of where that kicked off. So, yeah. Oh, so you weren't looking to do vocals? I was wanting to do it for a band, but I wasn't like trying to start one. Yeah. And then this opportunity came up and I was just like, yeah, let's do it. So.

So do you have any experience prior or no? No. Okay. No, I blew my voice out every. tour up until probably 2017, just because I didn't know what I was doing. Dang. Yeah.

So how did you fix that? Because you guys been torn? A lot of it had to do with just trial and error, and then Miss Cross, the Zen of screaming, gave me some lessons not too long ago that also... She's sick. Oh, one of the most genuinely kind,

knowledgeable people I've ever met. It was cool because, like, we did the lessons. So I took the actual lessons. from her in 2021, so even more recently, right before we went to the studio for learning to dissolve. And the thing that, like, stuck for me was not so much the technique of what she was showing me, but more so, like, the science behind it, because I already was doing the right thing half the time.

I just couldn't figure out how to make the right thing the whole the time, basically. And once I, she was explaining, you know, the ends and outs of what actually was happening, I could actually figure out and trigger the right things to happen in your brain because it's a very tricky thing because there's no neurons that like actually connect your brain to your vocal cords. That's why it's so difficult to learn the proper techniques for singing, screaming, all that kind of stuff. So I don't know that. I didn't either until she told me.

And I was like, wow, that's okay. So I can blame science. It's not just me. And, yeah, that actually, that and then Randy, uh, uh, At graphic nature, he did the record and literally like the dude is brings the absolute best out of everybody when you're tracking whatever it is you're tracking. And he pretty much was like, yo, just go in and he's like whatever you feel you need to do, do like 70% of it. And you'll probably sound better than you ever did. Okay.

And he was right. So yeah. That that explains it because it sounds like you guys are all on like just firing. You know, you're all like on like max level. Yeah. You know. Yeah, yeah. Those, all that kind of came into the exact right time.

And yeah, learned a lot in our month up in Belleville. Yeah. Randy, Randy's a professional ass buster. Yep. He's dope. Yeah. He's hard on you in the best way. Yeah.

He's a coach. He's a best way. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Coach mentor. And he's just a, he's a team player when it comes to it. He is the additional member.

of your band when you were there. That's sick. It's incredible. We love Randy. Yep. Yep. Was there a talk before you guys in 2001 put out body and soul? Because that song was the first one we guys actually all collabed as like a unit, right?

Yeah. Was that on purpose? Was there like a talk prior? What's a? With body and soul, that was one of the first songs that I wrote or at least like I had a piece of it. that was written for a while. And we wanted to make sure that we were still pumping out content because this was around, you know, COVID.

We weren't really doing anything. Everybody was kind of on the content wave of trying to push like videos and them being silly and talking about ban shit. And Orthodox just kind of like, it was more dedicated to just write. music than anything. And we decided it's like, okay, well, like, let's start getting ready on the next record

because when learning or let it take its course came out, it came out like a month before COVID started. So we put the record out. We went on a tour. The tour got canceled and then like everything shit to bed because nobody wanted to listen to records. Everybody was focusing on not fucking dying from this disease. So eventually we started, I mean, I was always like writing music, but with body and soul,

there was a piece of it and then we were writing tons of other songs and we wanted to put out a single that brought us back into like the music world without like but a song that definitely like stood on its own and could be its own thing versus like you know songs that you have on records that kind of like transition into other songs right and so we're kind of thinking and what's actually funny about body and soul is that whenever I was writing it it was one of like like one of my least favorite of the bunch. And we wanted to put out something, like I said, that could stand on its own. And we thought that that would be the one. We just... And then we finished writing it. We went to Tate Mercer.

Did the whole thing put it out. And it's like, you know, it's funny that that is a song that resonates with a lot of people. A lot of people really like that song. And for me, especially whenever I was writing it, it was just like, you know, this is good, but I don't know if, like, this is really my shit. That's funny.

And the only reason. reason being is that it was one of my first takes on this band, right? It was an introduction to the record was written all at the same time and it was like, well, you know, I'm not, we don't know what this thing is going to be. Yeah, because Body and Soul was a demo

for a very long time. I feel like probably a year before we actually finished writing the song. Oh, wow. Yeah, so I, you know, when I listen, I don't know if you're the same way or not, but when I write demos and I write songs, like I will fucking And as soon as I finish writing and export it, like I will get on my phone,

go to my car and like listen to it like 20 times. Of course. And then I'm just like sitting there. I'm like, okay, that was sick. Do it again. And I just do it again. And then I do it again. And then like when I go to work the following day.

And I'm like, all right, I'm going to listen to that song again. And then like the whole drive to work, I just listen to the same thing on repeat. So like when I'm a year down the line and I've already listened to it so much, my brain's like, all right, like this is, it's like when you listen to anything too much.

You know? You listen to an album that you love. It's like your favorite record ever. And eventually, you know the cycle. It's like your favorite record. But when you listen to it so much, it kind of sits on the back. Like, Metallica is my favorite band. And the first four records are amazing.

I can't tell you the last time I ever listened to one of those four records. I can't tell you. Because I've listened to them so much just in my youth and growing up that, like, I know everything about them. And it's like kind of like that with body and soul. I don't know. I just, I listened to it so much that whenever we were talking about putting on music, I was just like over the song if that makes sense so but like it's cool that people fuck with it and I like you know playing it live and the live reception on it makes me love that song yeah yeah just it revitalizes that for me I don't know totally it's a good song it was a great song I don't know if you remember this we tried like two other variations of like other ideas we had trying to fit something in and then they wouldn't work and then there was like one point we I think we got to

right in the middle of the song, we were like, we don't know where the fuck to go. And then I don't know whose idea it was. We were like, we should do this, and we go into whatever this base part that's in the middle of the song is, and that basically unlocked,

oh, we can do this, into this, into this, into this, and we're done. Yeah. And that was, it just laid out right there. It was half of a demo that I was like, I have no idea what to do after this part. We didn't know where to go. Yeah.

Because that that writer's block wall. Oh, yeah, big time. What's next? And that's the lyric in the song. Nice. Good job. Yep. You did it, bro.

Just slid that in. Can we turn him off? You got to do it. You know, we were thinking in the studio, like, this is a body and our soul. What is next? What is next? Not just body.

Dude, it's funny. We did soul, too. It's funny, but it also it'll fucking piss you off at the same time. It all takes us one idea to unlock everything. But to come up with that idea. It takes forever, too.

Does it come out fast? It's just. It's a painy ass. It doesn't work like that. But when it happens, it's like, there we go. We're good. That's like,

then just flows. We were stuck on, we have a song on the record called Dicking Through Glass, which is one of my favorite songs on the record. We were stuck at like, after the first chorus, we didn't know where to go. They were,

so Austin and I live in Nashville. They live in Columbus. They were coming down to Austin's house, like a couple weekends every month to write. So we get to that point where we were stuck. We were like, right, I'm gonna go home, it's late, I'm tired. I come back the next day and Austin's like

typing shit. And they were like, yo, check this out. And he hits play and the whole rest of the thing is done. And I was like, that's it. That's fucked. All right. Yeah. The most, the song that had the most reworking on it was definitely voice in the choir. The last song on the record.

One of my favorite songs on the record, but that song as it started was, is nowhere near the same as like what it ended up being. That was, wow. That was our shit. Yeah. He had this demo and it was so stupid.

It was just like this crazy, like... It's the intro of the song. Yeah, it's the intro of the song. But it got so dumb afterwards. And him and I were like, yo, that's going in. And Adam was like, nope. Adam and Charlotte were both like... Really?

This is... They're just like... I didn't hate it. I was like, this is so... Boring. Not even boring. I was like, this is just so knuckle-dragger heavy that I feel like it doesn't match our style.

And then when we got to where we were trying to figure out the song, I don't even remember who it was. What if we throw that in there? And I was like, yeah, that would be sick. Like, damn it. And now we open the set with it and it's sick. Yeah, the problem was Austin wrote the part and it's a cool part. But him and Mike, like, you know when something comes out that is good,

but like it's in a world that you're very familiar with, but a lot of people are experiencing it for the first time, so they act like it's the greatest thing ever. And you're like, not to like downplay it, but like, I know you guys think it's the best because it's the first thing in this world that you've ever heard, so you're super stoked on it.

But like, it's great, but like it's not as great as everyone's saying. It was like the similar thing where like they wrote the part and it's a sick part, but Austin and Mike would just go ballistic every time they hit play on the demo where I'm just sitting there like, it's fine.

We were both like, it's a breakdown. And they're like, no, it's, and they would, it's the break. The thing was, they would go, Melissa. Yeah, he really wanted it on there. And then when Mike's not the most decisive when it comes to writing stuff. And so when he wants a part, he's like, no motherfucker that's going on there. So he's like shoving the back of his shoulder. Like, yeah, we're putting that on there.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And I can't tell if Mike is just doing that to make the art. argument harder or if he actually thinks it's good. We love arguing. Because the way our songwriting goes, Austin writes something,

we argue for an hour, and then the song's done. That's perfect. That's a great process. We argue. I thought that's what this was. And then every time we'd go to Nashville, we'd just go sit in the room. We're like, all right, so what are we thinking?

And Austin would just click, and then it would just come in. And him and Mike would both freak out. And I'm like, dude, not this again. What are we doing? So it's like, it became one of those parts where it's like, yeah, I get it, but what are we doing? And it's like, I was so, I was so desensitized to it. And now that it's in the song, I forget, like, when we open the set with it, I forget that's the part that we, that we ever was like, I'm going to quit the band.

And I never thought it was a bad part. It's just like they would go ballistic whenever they play on that. When I write demos and I show the band, like, I have to put on her performance to make sure that they understand the, like, the understanding. They understand completely what the idea is about. The subflooring in his office is going to be cracked when he moves out because he sits there and just... Yeah, I play the drums. I play the air jumps as hard as he can. And then I do the air guitar real hard.

Yeah. I'm just like, I'm like, guys, listen, when we play this live, it's going to be like this. Yeah. And then I'll let the track play and then they're just sitting on the couch like, like, yep. That's why we have the big pants music is because he's like, Like, dude, this part right here is like big pants jump breakdown. And so what the fuck is that? Yeah, big pants, big shirt.

Everybody's jumping. Big pants. He literally, it's like you're going to like a writer's table for a movie. He's like, all right. I'm going to paint the scene for you. Yeah, yeah. He does that with every demo. There's 15 million people in front of you.

Dude, like fucking fast asleep. That track. I was like, all right, listen, dude. Yeah. It's right there. Okay, so we need these pants. That's the breakdown. That's the breakdown.

That is the middle breakdown and head on a spike. That's exactly how I worded. I worded it. That is it in tangible form right there. I said, listen, big pants. No. It's going to be a whole thing. Let me show you something. But every time he, every time he plays a demo for us, it's like a full body performance. Yeah. It's got to be explained to the fullest of time. And I'm like, I'm like, dude, I hear it. Let me just sit here. Close my eyes and he's just like, open your eyes, watch this. Here's what we're going to do. He's like, no, you're not hearing me. Watch. He's like, you're not hearing me. Watch just 50,000 people. And I'm like, dude, I see you. Can I listen to this part?

Dude, that's how it was for fast asleep. I was like, okay, now before I play this song, Download Fest, Walkin Fest, okay. Boom. Beepants. Aerial shot. That's it we're writing music. Ariel shot, it's the drone, it's taking the video of everybody in the crowd,

and then like out hit space, let the songs start it, and I'd be like, okay, circle play, right? Circle pit, right here, right here. The whole area, walking is running in a circle. Dust is flying. This is what it's all about. And then the jump part. The jump, jump, jump, and then we jump.

Yeah. And then the sea of people. That's like the whole point. Is that a... Wow. That's a real thing. That's a real t-shirt that we did. Big pant music.

Yeah. Yeah, we did that on our headliner. Should that do that have been back? We did that on the headliner. We did like a small quantity of them and they went so fast. Really? We have a couple that will be on the online store whenever I email email back. Yeah.

This is not a joke. This is serious. It's all about the big. Big pants. This is big pant business. We put out. This is big. This is big.

This is a. That was, that song is like very cold chamber-esque in my brain. And I was like, okay. So the caption I put for the song was, if you're not wearing big pants, don't even turn this fucking song on. And Revolver took that and made an article and says, Orthodox brings big pants music.

And I was like, there it is. There it is. That's right. Sometimes the accident, it just like fucking works. Yeah. It's beach. Dang, dude.

Okay. Austin. Hello. How did... Here we go. How did you write the riff to Cavan? Caven. Okay.

How did that rip come up? So that song, I had a guitar with a floating bridge. Okay. And in classic orthodox fashion, we love weird noises. And my brain is so fixated on trying to do things that are new. And I'm like, how do I write a riff that involve... like things that haven't been done and blah blah, blah. Obviously it has been.

And I took a lot of inspiration off of people that made weird noises with floating bridges. And I had a Floyd Rose at the time. And like the anticipation is a song that is based around just straight harmonics. That's it. It's a harmonics with like a fast, crazy chorus effect on it,

which is crazy because whenever I found out because for the longest time I did not know that. I didn't know how, the anticipation because I didn't write that. And I didn't know how it was written. And then whenever I found out that it was just harmonics, I was like, that's fucking sick. Like, you can do so many weird things with just harmonics and, like, weird guitar shit. So when Kaven came around, I was like, I don't know what I'm going to do.

And I don't remember. There's like, there's like a video of a guy who plays in, I don't know if it's a band or if it's just him. but it's like buried alive if you've ever heard of it oh yeah yeah B-E-R-R-I-E-D No he's fucking insane Yeah that guy's crazy a guitar

And there's saying Have you ever heard of the band Barryed away? No no no different band No we're not talking about Scott boys I was gonna be pissed for a second Yeah no not

Not New York hardcore band Bair live Are there New York or Connecticut Doesn't matter Anyways Buffalo Yeah Buffalo Regardless Regardless

He's throw it in there Regardless He has a song where he's like doing this weird like bounce thing with his whammy bar where he's like he's like kicking it down with his foot and it's like making this insane noise and it's like wea weel weel wea we and I was like

that's like you can do some crazy shit with whammy bar and basically all I would do like whenever I started the cave-in riff it was like just harmonics and then like pushing down on the bridge so it lifts the note you know so whenever you would hit the harmonic goes wee-wee-wee-wee-wee-like whenever you push it down on that side and so that's how I wrote it and live I just do it with a pedal now that just like lifts the pitch because I sorry Floyd Rose but I like

hate Floyd Rose guitars because they're just annoying to keep up with but and just like changing strings and just like having them set up right also I play guitar weird the nuts are not like set up right for the way that I play guitar so I don't use floating bridges anymore but But whenever I would do that, I mean, like, now, yeah, it's just a pedal that just, like, raises, I have a pedal that raises the pitch,

and I have a pedal that does, like, the... Because when I wrote the intro, it was just the harmonic pushing it up. And then at the end of the song, you know, just fucking pulling the way of me down, doing it just... And then I wrote the diga-d-d-d-digg-digg-d-d-d-d-b-b-l. That part is fucking ridiculous, dude. Holy shit.

That was the first... whole song he sent us, like where it was start to finish, and he sent it in the group chat. Oh, wow. And I immediately just called Mike and was like, hey, bud, good fucking look. Yeah. Yeah, that was a song that, like, that was a

song that, no notes. There's actually a, there's like a very old video, and I don't even know if you know this, there's a very old video of me and Mike in the old chamber hanging moon practice space. And we are, and we're writing, like, the middle riff.

or like I'm playing the middle riff of Kaven, but he's playing it as a two-step. So it's like, done, done, and it's like, oh yeah, I do remember that. It's super old. It's super old.

And I remember just having that riff locked in from years ago. And I wrote the song, like it was, I haven't had a moment like this with writing music in a long time. This is a once, like a one-and-done situation where whenever I had the, idea in my head I had the entire song laid out like just like I was like I remember I was driving my car I was just like okay so that would like yeah that would be sick and then I'd be

like that would be sick and then I just like it just kept going it kept going and kept going kept going until I literally was like I know exactly what the song is going to be like front to back have the entire situation and transition list like laid out went home and just tracked the demo and then sent it to them and they're like we don't even like there's literally nothing on this we want to change. The only thing that changed from that song was the back half of, I guess you could call it the bridge riff.

Randy was like, oh, take the guitars out of this so the vocal can be... That's the only thing that changed in the moment that song was written. Oh, yeah. The... The... Bairdun-d-d-d-d-m... Yeah, it's like... He goes, delete that. Delete that. Yeah, that was the only thing that changed.

It was just a one and done, like, all right, that's the song. It was cool. I don't know. Like now I just like write half, like half for like a minute or like 30 seconds of songs. And then I let them fucking sit in my Dropbox for like six months. That's silly. I'll just write it and I'll be like, that's sick. And then I'm like, all right. And then I go and I listen to it again.

And I'm like, that's sick. And I don't do anything with it. And then eventually I'll have to be like, okay, I'll turn this into a song. I don't know how, but I'll do it. I don't know. So see you guys, uh, stockpile. Yeah. Riffs are constantly in the tank.

For sure. I need to start stockpiling. Yeah. And then you send them to the group chat and then Adam goes to a Humphrey Street coffee. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah.

Shout out Humphrey Street. Humphrey Street. Yeah. What is it about going somewhere else that just makes you... Unfamiliar and there's no distract. Like, there's distractions, but it's none of my business. Yep. Like if I hear some...

If I'm at my house, I've got two 60 to 70-pound dogs that constantly need attention or I'll be writing something and be like, oh, I need. to do this and I'll go take care of something in the house. But like if I go to a coffee shop, like, yeah, there's a lot of unfamiliarity. But that makes it even easier to just be like, I don't know you. You don't care. I'm right here. Yep.

So that's the same way with me in writing. And I mean, like, some of the way that I write music and like my ideas will fluctuate depending on where I am. And I feel like that's, you know, the case with a lot of artists. I mean, you know, when we wrote learning or learning to dissolve, we were in a fucking warehouse like downtown in Belleville, New Jersey. And I feel like the vibe might change a little with this next record because we're going to be in a cabin in the middle of the woods because Randy moved into a cabin. Yeah, it's sick. Dude, there were riffs for Orthodox that, like,

whatever I needed inspiration, because a lot of the times, I mean, you probably have this moment you've been writing music for a long time, like where you just pick up a guitar and you try to write something and it kind of feels like you're just doing the fucking same thing over and over again. Yeah. Yeah, it's like, dude, I would feel that way. I mean, there were times with writing music for Orthodox that I would like, you know, I used to live in South Carolina and my like garage was just infested with spiders. Like, not infested, but like, you know, there's, fuck it. There's webs all over the place. Like, sometimes whenever you'd go out to grab a drink from the refrigerator, a cockroach would, like, scurry out of the way because it was always dark unless you turn the light on.

And there were times where I'd go out there with my fucking practice amp and like sit on the bed. in my garage to write music just because I needed a fucking change of scenery. Of course. And it like adds an element to it. I mean, that's why moving into my new house, I have my, like, my desk and my writing setup used to be in my room. And now I have a completely separate room dedicated to that. It's fucking huge.

Yes, it changes everything. It changes everything. Because when you wake up and you're in your fucking room and it's like, oh, I sleep here and I'm creative here. And I jack off here. It's too much, dude. It's fucked up. Yeah, man.

So when you go to the, when you go to the, When you go to the creative space, you enter that space knowing that you're going to be creative, be an artist, try and make something, you know, versus like being in your room, in your bed and you're like, I just fucking sleep here. I like having the separation. But whenever it used to be where I would write music in the same space room and it's just like. That's tough. Yeah, you're just like, bro, I just feel like I'm recycling everything. So it's nice to be able to like have it. I mean, not only do I have the side studio room that I write all my music in, but I also have like, you know, our rehearsal space downstairs in like an unfinished garage that we, you know, rehearse that before tours.

But like I can be loud in there. So I'll like turn my amp on and just like fucking just go for it. And it's sick. That creates a different element too. Like the, um, when you and I wrote at the studio, you came up with that riff. Mm-hmm. The breakdown because it was loud. just up there

I took advantage He's in the middle of the Of the drum room Live amp We had it set up Because we were practicing For a show That was supposed to be after

After the recording And he's just up there He's just going We're like what is he did And he sounded like something Was broken Yeah he wrote a whole song But it was just because

He could crank that fucking amp And just be in his own space And just Yeah It was nice Versus like Plugging into an interface And do it in front of a computer

He was just like super raw, super organic. And that element helps a lot too. That shit was sick, straight up. Like, I mean, I didn't really know what to expect. I kind of was just doing it on a win because I was like starting to run circles around my brain on things that I wanted to do. And then I just went upstairs and like kind of fucked off from everybody and turned it on and just got really loud and just started like messing around and playing riffs. And then I landed on something. And I was like, this is fucking sick.

And then we wrote a song out of it. That's not out. Yep. It's a B-side. Mystery song. Mystery song. We call it spy song. And if you've seen us live in the last year, you probably got hit during the breakdown of the end.

Yeah. Do you guys need to sell like baggy pants? I mean, it sounds like this is where you're going to. You know, as funny as it is, I think the process has started. We can't really talk about it, but there might be something going on. Good. I want to get geeky for like a minute or, too.

Yeah, talking about the floating bridge wasn't geeky at all. Yeah. One or two many things and then and then we'll fucking move on. So learning to dissolve. What pickups are those? And then what amp were you using? That would be a Randy question. We ended up using his Jim Root with an Evertoon.

I believe they were fishmen. I'm not a big fisherman guy. And I really wish I got to use my own. own guitar on it because I was I was running a black metal with the black winters and some of the solos on the record were done with that guitar but the fishmans that are in the gym route that Randy has sound great and then it was a PV invective and a block letter 50150 like kind of just like both of the tones were merged if that makes sense yeah and we did that and I don't remember what overdrives we used?

There was like a big motherfucker dude, like huge like rectangle guy with like 8,000 switches on it that I didn't understand but like Randy was just twisting shit and just being like how's that sound and I'd be like gong gong gong yeah it sounds cool

and be like all right hold on hold on what about now and I'd be like mad scientist with the pedals Randy loves the pedals yeah he's a noise for you just be like and then I'd be like scrang darned on and he'd be like how's that and I'd be like

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, Screndang dang. That's the orthodox way. That's how we talk about riffs. It's scrennan, scrennan,

but yeah, yeah, just fucking bibib, beep, be, yeah, play.

How's that? dope. All right. How's that? Gondh. dope. Cool. And then we just,

I don't know. I let him do whatever. I mean, we did have a little bit of an argument because I was kind of in like a scooped phase at the time. I was a low mids guy.

That's always a weird argument. Oh, It is, it is, it is, but I don't know. So, yeah, like, sometimes mids are my friend, sometimes they're not. And I still go back and forth for mids. Oh, yeah.

It's top, dude. That's, like, the one. Producers hate it, dude. They hate when you don't like meds because I'm just like, I don't know, they're kind of, we could turn them down. And then Randy's like, bro.

And I'm like, dude, just a little. It's tough, dude. I feel I don't get it. Dude, Tate Mercer is an avid. Mids fan. Like, he hates that I don't like Mids sometimes. Like, sometimes, we'll be in the studio and I'll just be like,

I don't know, man, you're turning Mids down. He's like, I'm not turning the Mids down at all. His guitar tones are so sick, though. But, yeah, his guitar tones are great. He nails it. Yeah, he's very good at that. Tate's dope with guitar tones. Shout out Tate Mercer.

Yeah. It's tough because it'll sound great, but is this actually going to cut through? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And vocals and bass. That's the thing. Mids are very, meds are very important for

making sure that your guitars are distinguished and they come out. That you're fucking there. Yeah, exactly. Because sometimes I just like the fucking like, it's cool. But yeah. But they are very

important and I'm starting to come around. I'm starting to come around. When it comes to the full mix, meds are important. When I play the guitar by myself, I'm like fuck the things, dude. Yeah, I'm like, and I'm like, yeah. But all together, they're important. They're essential.

You need Mids. You are. Fucking Mids. Yeah. But yeah, 5150, Block Letter, and a PV invective. Those are the two apps that we used. I knew for sure there was a 5150 in there. Yeah.

Absolutely. Once I hear, like a certain frequency, I'm like, that's, like, that's it. That is definitely it. And it's sick. Yeah. Blockruder 5150 is one of my favorite amps ever, ever. We used some other PRS. for leads and solos, but I don't remember what it was.

But that was like the only time we ever used it was for just leads and shit. Just around the studio. We don't have that 5150 anymore. Yeah. Shout out you. I sold that bitch. Dang. We are not going to talk about it.

Because I'm still mad at Mike about that. Fuck. He's like, dude. Oh, I sold the thing for money. I needed money. It's in good hands. It's in good hands. It is.

But that 5150 was also super problematic. Yeah. For a long time, it was just like always having issues. And it was like not reliable. It was only on the, it was only on the Casey Strait tour where it really started fuck it up. It screwed us big time on that tour. Yeah, it went from being awesome for a long time to straight up like shitting to bed completely.

Like multiple times. Anybody that saw us, the Webster. Connecticut. Connecticut first show back. November 2020. We're sorry. We're very sorry that you only got to hear us play three songs. That was the worst set this fan has ever been.

You guys cut like four. For songs. It was at least four. I think we caught more songs than we played. We did. Yeah. For sure. It's the worst.

It's the fucking worst. Yeah, because we're having about staying on time. And, you know, that was a situation where it was so bad. That was your fault. And you can blame that block letter. Yep. Old bitch took a shit, man. Old bitch took a shit.

It happens, dude. I'm going to steal it back. That's why I sold her. I was like, right, I'm going to get you fixed. I'm going to find a new home. Yeah. Fuck out of here. He didn't sell it for, like,

the resell, like the fucking Eddie Van Halen resellers do on the internet right now. I hooked it up. The homie hookup. It's in good hands. Shout out boundaries.

They own that head now. Oh my goodness. Bitches. I got 5152 and it's sick as fuck, dude. Yeah. I mean, if you go peeve you got to collect them. It's just a matter of time when it's going to shit.

You know? That's right. It's a matter of time. Yeah, we probably went through quite a few of those. Say this one round day, you plug in for a show? It's not turning on. It's just, it happens.

It was silly. It sucks. It's why we're going to have a backup. Oh, yeah. Guitar's are so stupid. Yeah. They are. I'm on the Kemper vibe just because, like, it's a lot easier to manage.

There's not a whole lot of issues with it. I had an issue the other day, but that wasn't the Kemper's fault. So, like, that's where that ends. I just, I feel like it's a lot less maintenance, for sure. And, I mean, I wasn't big on digital shit for a while until I finally tweaked something that I like with it. And now I'm, now I'm team Kemper. And like digital. Yeah, I mean, I still want to do a quad and, like, test out and shoot out all of the shit with it.

But yeah, it's just a lot easier to keep up with, for sure. Sick. Yeah. Adam, what was it like growing up in the Nashville scene? When I was coming into it, it was in the peak of the Christcore era. So it was a lot of skinny jeans and straightened hair. Yeah. I don't know if you ever knew anything about straightened hair or not.

I yes, but I never heard that term before, actually. I never heard it in my life. Oh, Christcore? You never heard it to right now. Yeah, I mean, that's like the screen, the prayer stuff, like impending doom, sleeping giant, like all the big for today probably is like the one that everyone would look at the most of. But yeah, all the big breakdown then preach bands. That was like a huge deal in the southeast. And so that was really prevalent in the southeast in particular.

And so, you know, going to show. back in the day was a lot of bands like that and then there was a lot of local bands that it was cool because at the time there was a venue called Rocket Town which I actually saw

Suicide Silence at I think you all were out with Danza and Molotov solution That's cool, it's cool venue I remember that But what was cool about it was they had like a skate park and all of the actual staff was a part of the scene itself

So even though it was corporately run, it was still kind of local community vibes. And so local shows for a long time, because you had these local people with a corporate backing for promotions, were huge. There was two stages, like a big room stage that was like 7,800 cap. And then a smaller stage is like a 250. And local shows would be on like the big stage. Wow. And so, you know, we had, Pleeve for Purging was like the band from Nashville, as hell retreats, toured out of Nashville a bunch as well. well.

So a lot of those bands were kind of, that was like the upbringing. And then kind of like a few years into that, I started dipping into the actual like hardcore show stuff. There's a venue called The Anchor, which was this church venue, a block from Rockatown. And then there was another venue, a block further down called The Muse. And that was where you went to get jumped. So it was, yeah, those were like where the real crazy, crazy shows ago, because Rocketown at the base of it was a.

Christian venues, so they had some different rules about, like, you can't stage dive and all this kind of stuff. So when the hardcore shows would come to town, they would usually try to go to one of the other places, and that's where it was wild. So. Use, is that by the porn shop? Yep. Okay. I don't know. I don't think it's Miranda's anymore.

I think it's just an actual bookstore or something. Oh, no, I think it's a parts manufacturer. The music itself is Domino's now. Yep. You pass it every single day. Yeah. You pass it all the time. And I almost want to walk in, like, you don't know the shit I saw in your kitchen.

Yeah, it was. I saw so many fights here. I got my ass beating that kitchen. Dude, literally. I mean, I saw people get like stabbed during shows there. It was a place where when I talk about it to people, I'm like, as a teenager, I should not have gone there. I would literally have my dad dropped me off at Rocketown and then I'd walk two blocks of the news because I wanted to stay there. Yeah.

It was dark times. So. It's crazy that you just walk a block or two and the whole vibe changes. 100%. Yeah, it's, it was, it's not like that anymore because Nashville's just a completely different city than it was back in those days. But yeah, what's Nashville like now? I mean, being outside, you just see like this, it's like, you got the Nashville and the Austin. It's just like, I don't even like, it's just becoming.

It's one of the top three fastest growing cities in America. It's, it's unreal. I think it's between that Austin and I think maybe Phoenix or Mesa one of the two. but yeah it's just the tourism started flooding in and everyone was there and actually liked the culture of the city so a lot of people when they were like we need to move especially during COVID when they were like if I'm going to be stuck in my house I want to be stuck in a different house

everyone just came to Nashville yep fuck hell yeah that rent went yes because the living has jumped significantly in the last couple years so that's so so that's obviously the major con of having a growing Yeah, it's Traffic. Yeah.

Traffic sucks. I mean, it's nothing like, I mean, I say it's nothing like out here. It's getting to where it's like out here because we don't have eight lane interstates. But it's, if you know how to navigate it.

Yeah. You definitely have your ways where you're like, oh, take this one way road to this and then whatever. Yeah. It's got its benefits because there are so many things in Nashville that we're not there before. But the cons are,

as you said, kind of just being stuffed in between a bunch of people that aren't from the times before. You kind of... Yeah. It's not like I can gatekeep the city, but it's kind of like I'm... Every now and they're like, man, I do kind of miss when there wasn't seven buildings right there. Yeah. But...

Oh, yeah. Shit's changing all the time. And I moved there fucking, like, four years ago. Yeah, you're new to it. Yeah, I'm still... Yeah. Like, I moved right before the pandemic and now, like, driving around and shit. Like, there are so many buildings that...

I just, I'm like, how the fuck did that even get you? We go on tour and we'll go back and there's literally, there's new shit all the time. I think the, the back, the waiting list for a contractor to get his hands on a crane at the moment is like a year and a half long. Jesus. Really? Just a kid of a fucking crane?

Yeah, it's been like that for years. But yeah, to get, because there's only so many you can have active within a certain radius, but in particularly downtown, they, it's just sprouting up so many buildings that the waiting list to be able to build anything within the actual like Davidson County area is ridiculous. Whoa. Yeah.

Yeah. And you guys need crane to carry those heavy ass riffs, dude. Yeah. We've been, we parked one at Austin's house a couple years ago and won't let it go. Yeah. It's taking up a lot of space. Yeah.

It does its job. Well, dudes, I appreciate you guys coming here on, uh, on your day off. Yeah. You know, it's cool. What's, uh, what's tomorrow? Observatory. So we're in,

Santa Ana. Yeah, crazy. Well, thank you. This is actually my first time flying in. Yeah,

how is that? I was going to say, you have a show tomorrow in San Antonio. Yeah, so I really appreciate you guys being a part of this kind of new

journey for me. So I really, yeah. I've been up since midnight. Jesus. dope. That's sick.

You're still here. Get a few more monsters. Yeah, that's right. Yeah. Thank you for coffee. Yeah. Absolutely.

Garza podcast coffee. You can find it I don't know. At Garza Podcast. Coffee.com. Conceptcafas.com, baby. Yeah. Dude, I just started drinking coffee

as I was 26, 27. And have not gone back. It's because it's fucking awesome. Yeah. It is. Yeah. It is, man. I also got in the coffee super late.

I only started drinking coffee, like, really six years ago. How old are you? 30. So 24, 25 is like when I started drinking coffee. Before that, I just didn't care. Yeah. Yeah. But once you get that first cup, you're like,

once you start having good coffee and you really, realize that, like, you can have coffee that actually taste like it smells. And it's not, you know, like, totally. Yeah. And that's the thing. It's like, when they're like, when it's like, when it's like, Mike will drink anything.

Mike is a, hold on, hold on. Don't know. Drummers do that. Drummers do. Hang on. He'll drink. Drink any coffee. I love.

Love's pilot coffee. Dude. But we had coffee yesterday that I almost didn't fit. It was horrible. Yep. I don't know what the place was. And I was like, damn. Y'all focus.

We could shout her out of me. I don't go to. We don't go to. We don't go to. We don't need to slander them, but it was... It was fucking bad. My Macchiata was pretty bad. Yeah.

It was pretty bad. It takes a lot for everybody to be in unison of like, this is bad. If I said something that's not good, he'll be like, yeah, check this out. And he's just like, it's all the same shit. It's all the same shit. That was on some different shit. That was some different shit. Was it like a local spot or what?

It was. We'll call it that. It was on the north end of Hollywood. I don't know where the hell it was. But really, here in California? Oh, shit. Interesting. But we did go to a good place today.

Code coffee? Coffee code? I don't know. It was probably 20 minutes from here. We got that. I mean, we have a lot of good coffee. We have more good coffee than we have bad coffee. Oh, absolutely. Like, whenever I was talking about how bad my Americano was yesterday, I was like,

I can't remember the last time I had a bad Americano. But it was just fucking awful. This right here for whatever city we're going to. Keep a list of the shops So if you ever need If you ever need a recommendation San Antonio Actually hold on

San Antonio There's a coffee shop This place called estate in San Antonio You should go to It's actually it's right next to the venue It's fucking awesome A state? Yeah estate

It's on the other side of the train tracks And I don't know any of the places Until I walk into it And then I walk in I'm like I remember this place Yeah I have a list I remember that barista

The vice Yeah Uh oh The vice Also if you want something To kill time with you can sit at the train tracks by your venue tomorrow and just watch people fly over them too fast

and just catch the under side of their car. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's awesome. There is a crazy train track. I know what venue now. But yeah, people will always hit that too fast. And just grind their shit. And there's also a super good barbecue spot near there.

They do this brisket taco. Don't even get me started on. I'm tired of a lot. That little caramel. Nah, but yeah, there's a, there's a, good barbecue spot near there. But our, we love coffee and we love ice cream. We're an ice cream. Oh, ice cream. We don't have time to talk about how much

we love ice cream. Yeah, he was trying to close that I know, I know. Yeah, you're trying to close it. It's cool. But we love ice cream. I know you got a plane to catch, but we're talking about some Ben and Jerry's fish food. That's the best ice. That's like, you left your fish food at my house and I destroyed it. I bet you did. I bet you did. I bet you did. Not a doubt in my mind. There was one day I came home from work and I was like, dude, there's got to be something sweet in my freezer. And then I opened it. That's the best ice cream.

in the world right there. There was fish food. My goodness. That is it. Look at her. You want to bring me, you want to see me play the worst set of my life?

Bring me a pint of that right before I go on. I need to try this one. I always see it. I never tried it. Yeah. Wait, is it always non-dairy?

No. It's always like, I'll go like, tonight's dough. They got it for adults too. Yeah. Jesus. All right,

dudes, let's fucking close your shit up. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Where can people find you guys? Orthodox t.com. Orthodox TN on Instagram.

And we have a YouTube now. We just started a YouTube. We plan to do fun things with it. Oh yeah, there's a YouTube channel. I forget what the actual link on it is. We hope to do fun things with it. I'll put up the only tree in the description. That would be awesome.

Yeah, you can find it all there. It would be awesome. All right, well, guys, thank you. Yeah, thank you. Have a good show tomorrow and good rest of the tour. Thanks, you too. All right, I don't. That's it. Later one. That's it. Later.