Garza Podcast - 104 - SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL: War, Cancel Culture & Heaviest Records of All Time

Episode Date: November 13, 2023

Garza sits down in-person with Alex Terrible & Jack Simmons from Russian deathcore band SLAUGHTER TO PREVAIL. https://www.stp-tour.com SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Gators vs Crocodiles 04:33 - Energy & Charisma Behind the Music 08:39 - What’s Missing in Metal, Backing Your Words Up 15:19 - Alex Terrible Stole His Dad’s Car As a Kid 17:58 - American vs Russian Society & Culture, Art & Capitalism 34:20 - Leaving Sumerian Records & Taking Control of the Band 38:42 - Jack’s Reaction to Alex’s Statements on Russia/Ukraine War, World Power Struggle 44:40 - Garza’s Dirty Laundry/Secrets 46:28 - Band Wagons & Tour Buses 48:16 - Alex’s Beef With Tesla Driver 56:01 - Alex Thinks People Are Soft Nowadays 58:18 - Backlash, Cancel Culture & Taking Responsibility For Your Words 1:09:42 - Mystery vs Intrusive Social Media 1:12:03 - Alex is Shocked at Having to Tip After Paying 1:18:29 - “Demolisher” 1:19:33 - STP is Unprofessional 1:22:47 - Writing Good Songs/What Makes a Good Song 1:31:08 - Viral Songs, TikTok, Competition & Trends 1:34:12 - The Price of Success, Focus & Sacrifice 1:45:57 - Alex & Jack’s Top Heaviest Records of All Time

Dran sleeping, TV's still on, from what I imagine, you told me right? He's like, fuck it. Take the keys, go drive the car. He's 11, he's driving, and he sees the police behind him. He ducked down. So you imagine, you're the fucking police, and you just see, like, this, I guess, kid, or you see no one. Yeah, exactly, no one. The fucking ghost car.

The worst decision I made, like, ghost car. Yeah, ghost car going down the street, and he panics. And you fucking floor it. and try to pull into your drive, but you miss your house, and you hit next door's house. And his fucking dad, I mean, he woke him up from the fucking beer nap, you know what I mean? Yeah. At the age of 11. Whenever I need music gear, I always go to sweetwater.com.

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Yes. Orlando. And you guys just moved there, right? Yeah, pretty much. Kind of a little bit of a chamber from Russia, right? Oh, yeah. A little bit? Yeah, just a little bit.

A little bit more freedom about what you can say. A little more gateless around you. And, yeah. And a little less bears. Yes, less bears more gators. Less bears. Is that really an issue there with the gators? What?

In Florida? Yeah. It's like, you got to get worried about them being in like in like backyard. They friendly, dude. They friendly. Friendly? Yeah, they just doesn't give a fuck about you. They're just fucking chilling.

Yeah, they're just viving, man. You know that crocodile and gator is a different like animals and what I heard about, like crocodile will attack you and fuck you up. But gator, he just fucking. chill, you know. How do you tell a difference? Crocodile, smaller and tiny. Gator's huge. And like black, I think.

I think it's like on the back. Yeah. A gate is like... Okay, so this is the difference. Nothing. No? Pretty much. They look the same to me, man. Except one will fuck you up. One will be like a little cute dog.

Okay, so one's supposed to be this is hard to... What do you guys think? The crocodile has a smaller, like, that area of that fucking... Okay, so it goes more... That's now it's more narrow. Yeah, probably. And the alligator has a wider...

Yeah. Okay. See? Okay, okay, that's more accurate. Yeah. So, one fatter, one skinnier. Yeah. As far as face.

Yeah. And crocodile, like, more aggressive, I guess. Mm-hmm. Yeah. And faster? No? I don't know. I heard a crocodile will see you as food, whereas a gate is more scared of you, right?

So a gate is going to, if you walk up to it, it's going to kind of just swim away, whereas a crocodile is more likely to actually be aggressive. Yeah. And especially, like, in, like, the Nile and stuff and shit like this, like in Egypt, apparently people get fucked up by crocodiles. In Egypt? Yeah. For real?

Yeah, I heard. Egypt has... In the Nile? Yeah, dude, in the Nile? They fuck them up. I don't know. I'm stupid. How many people get fucked up by the Nile River,

by a crocodile. Whatever you say, we get pulled up, right? Wow. Damn, a thousand. Each year? No. They are around 1,000 fatal crocodile attacks each year in the world. That's why, yeah, we hear the word crocodile.

You guys, you both have been posting videos and pictures. I'm like, what are they doing over there? Our new pet. Yeah, yeah, she's a sweet. Sweet heart man. Oh my gosh. She's blind, actually. The gator?

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. She's blind, but she's sweet. She's blind. Yeah. And she's like eight years old. She's like a baby, still a baby. Because they live for 100 years?

100 years? 100 years? Oh, yeah. Something crazy. Yeah. They're like mini dinosaurs. They're like many dinosaurs, man. Yeah.

Dinosaurs, man. Yeah. Like, for real. Yeah. Florida kind of fits your music because you guys have something. special that only a few bands have. Anyone can kind of have like the, I guess you say like the death core sound

or whatever metal sound, but there's something, I still can't put a word to it. It's an unattainable, unexplainable thing. It's like an energy. It's all about energy, I believe, because we would not do it in purpose, you know. We just do what we love to do and what we feel, you know what I mean? And we never have to do

a plan like, oh, let's do that because people will love that, you know? I mean, we, we, we're talking about that. Like, what should we do, like, what people are like, yeah, it's just what they expect from slot to prevail. But we never do it on purpose. Like, we never do it like a business plan or something just because we cannot do it actually. We do it just what we love to do, you know, and it works. Sometimes it works, sometimes it does work. Yeah. You know, but it's all about energy and I believe if you have it like in your heart like for example what like what um makes uh your band big i believe it's not about only music but it's about what stand behind the music like people yeah what they what they believe in what they how they live what they do in

in their life and all their shit, you know. They just connected with the music. Yes. I think that you're right. I think that that's what's missing from our genre. It's what's the people behind the music. It's like over-the-top personalities. They try to build it up, like created,

but it never works because it's kind of fake, you know? It's fake. Right. But you have to be real and you have to, like, how you say, like, not translate, but yeah like how you express it to the audience right like like new metal for example and in the 90s in general there's like a character when you listen to these bands like from corn to limbicics whatever you know in the same genre but it's like there's character there's charisma and it's just

them being them and you feel it and you feel it when in each record and you can kind of feel it even if they have a bad record you can feel that they're not quite in that place you know it's Yeah, totally. It's weird. It's cool in a way. And in the same time, we have bands like ghost or a sleep talking new band, right? They have image, strong image, you know, and it works good. And it's kind of fake, but it's not the fake.

It's just they play game, you know, and people love that game. Like a movie, you know. Who is that? Yeah, yeah. They kind of rely on the mystique. Right. Yes. Yeah.

Sleep not back in the days. Like you want to. know what they fucking look like yes exactly show me your face yes yeah yeah and at the same time they bring the fucking like a heavy heavy like um music in the new metal you know yeah you know what i'm talking yeah yeah and they looks like a fucking i don't know crazy yeah grow up man uh just who walks on factory or whatever, you know, and they play fucking gaming music, you know what I mean? It's fucking sick. Dude, one of my favorite interviews of all time is like, they're just coming up.

And they got when that Lampiscuit was talking smack, you know, and then like, and then like, Corey starts screaming at something. Like, we will find you and we will kill you. It's like, dude, I miss that. I miss that shit about music. Yeah, it's like, it's in WDW, whatever, like wrestling stuff. Yeah, I feel like we need more of that in metal. We do.

I am literally 100% on board. I'm always kind of like a, I don't know where stickler. Like, I'm always like, because I ask people like, you know, what's missing in metal? Because I have my personal definition. People like bands like you guys, it's what's missing. The people that aren't, I think what fucking pisses me off about our genre is like, they kind of just have the music, but it's just like they don't really back it up with like the personality. Right.

You know, it's like, you know, if let's say something terrible happens, are you going to stand your ground or are you going to back up? Right. Yeah. On a deep level, I think that affects the music. Oh, yeah. You know, fun million percent. One million percent.

Because I will not follow weak people. Because if you stand up, you're strong, right? Yes. And whatever it is, like maybe you're wrong with some shit, but I can feel your, like, you stand up with your shit, you know? And I respect that and I will follow that shit, you know, especially when you're young, you know, you're looking for somebody you can trust with and you cannot trust a weak person who give up immediately because of the fucking opinions. You know what I mean? Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. It's like you don't, you know, when people just bend over and you know they don't believe it, you know, like in what they're saying, they're just going through the easy option because they're scared of what. people think or whatever, you then lose respect for that person. Especially in America, I surprised you guys like have, you guys have freedom of the speech, right? Back in the days, right? Now it doesn't look like that because a lot of people just start to attack you.

No, you do wrong. No, you have to like acting like that, like saying like this, their war and all this shit, you know? Yeah. And it all has borders and red lines and red flags and all their shit. but it goes too far with the special one side. You know what I mean? And it's bad because I love America because of democracy, you know?

And there's actually like at least two sides. And they fight in each other, you know. And this is how you are getting better. Like, for example, if you have business, like a huge company, right? And you have your opponent, you know, like competition. Yeah, like competition. And it makes your business better. And people around, you know, like you give the opportunity to create something new.

Big competition. But if you have only one side and maybe it's right or maybe they fucking do a good shit, you know, but it's only them. There is nothing around them. Like no competition, no new things and all that shit, you know. Truth will be there where there is a big competition. and there is only, there is not only one truth. There is, like, I don't know how to say it.

Like, people, people see that world very differently, each of us, you know? Yes. And everybody thinks he's right, you know. But if you have, like, simple laws and fucking rules and all this shit, just don't jump on the red flag, but be yourself. and try to push your fucking views and all this shit. And maybe people will share it. And maybe after years, you will change your mind or some shit.

But it's normal, you know. And I think America losing that. Because in Russia, we lost that like years ago because of our government. I believe. Maybe I'm wrong. But I believe. You come from a place where you literally will get fined, like, $500 to $800. if you say anything against the government or anything that they're trying to push.

Worse than that, I mean, we've had shows canceled in Russia due to... Yeah, because they think we are satanists and fucking terrorists or some shit, you know, like we play death metal music because... Violent propaganda, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, devil's shit and all this stuff. Police came in and shut down shows. Really? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's normal, you know?

And when you, like when you, for example, you are a rapper, like a big rapper or some shit in Russia, you know. And right now, if you, if your lyrics about drugs and all this shit, you might be have a big problem. And they will cancel your fucking shows and toys and all this shit. Yeah. And if you fucking say anything against the army, like the situation right now between. Russia and Ukraine, like war and all this shit. If you will speak out, speak out, you might be, go to prison on some shit. Prison, jail or prison?

Yeah, yeah. And, you know, like, I'm not saying that America is fucking, you know, like a good country and there are no, nothing wrong with that. And I know a lot of people go to prison just because of political stuff, you know, as well. It's normal. and country has that shit. But I believe that, like, living in Florida, I feel more safetyier than living in my own country, in my home.

And it's sad. You know what I mean? Because I love Russia. But it is what it is. And you guys, you still have family there and friends. Yeah. It's part of a hard thing like, man, I live here and they're still there. Yeah.

You know, fucking. It is what it is, you know. it's okay it's not that bad you know it's not that bad I'm not crying like my country is bad and fucking fuck our government and all this shit

I'm grown man you know I understand things I understand how it works you know in our life but like right now we go in I don't know nowhere I don't know like

I can see we go not in the right way like looking around the fucking Israel, Palestine, Palestine, and fucking Russia, Ukraine, and the Armenian, Rabakh, everywhere, just war. Yeah.

You know what I mean? Like global conflict of them. Yeah. Like, against everything, you know. China and Asia and border lands and all that is like, I think in the next 12 months, I wonder how much the world will change. You know?

True. But also, about Russia, Alex has told me some fantastic childhood stories The most Russian stories I've ever fucking seen Of him taking his dad's car How old were you? Oh like 11 years old Driving it

Driving the fucking car You want to tell it So he's dad Like sleeping you know Drunk You got to add the drunk Yeah Drunk sleeping TV's still on

From what I imagine You told me right He's like fucking take the keys, go drive the car. He's 11, he's driving, and he sees the police behind him. He ducks down.

So you imagine, you're the fucking police, and you just see, like, this, I guess, kid, or you see no one. Yeah, exactly, no one. The fucking ghost car. The worst decision I made, like, ghost car. Yeah, ghost car going down the street,

and he panics, and you fucking floor it and try to pull into your drive, but you miss your house and you hit next door, house and his fucking dad, I mean, he woke him up from the fucking beer nap, you know what I mean. Yeah. At the age of 11.

Is that, is that you on the left there, Jay? Exactly. Looks like that. Yes. This is exactly. Point of view from the police. We got a photo. Yeah, we got.

A young adult terrible. By the way, it was manual. It was manual? Of course. How did you even see over the dashboard? Dude, I don't remember. I remember I drove it pretty cool. I remember I thought really cool.

Until the police just fucking rude up. You know why I did that shit? Because I have a best friend and he was my age, you know, like maybe 12. And he's dad teaching him like how to drive the car, you know, manual car. And I was jealous, you know. And my dad never teach me. I was 11, of course. So you teach yourself?

Yes. Okay. And I asked my dad, like, can I drive? And he said, no, no, no. But then he got wasted, you know. Wakely your drunk dad. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

I was like, this is my time. But you had to pay for this, right? The fury of your drunk dad being woken up to... I learned a lot of bad words this day. Just what? Just words. Damn, Russian. I do.

Russian bad words part sounds so intense. Yes. Hard. Like, suka, blak. Nakhu yoban. what's that it's like uh fuck fuck fucking fuck

yeah yeah yeah that's funny yeah you guys probably had a crazy upbringing it's so probably so different than than what we're used to you know

I mean I mean to me it's like I'm just I think it back like okay so I was I was born here in California I guess I don't know what you call that

luck of the draw of life or God I don't know right and then um It's all these little things that I had. I never really realized until you get older.

Right. Well, this is like a privilege that I could be a little kid. I could run my mouth. Right. Not this going to happen. Yeah. You know, I could have my opinion. Not just going to happen.

Up until like recently, I've, like, when we were all on like lockdown during 2020, 21 during COVID. I remember like hanging out by my friends, that was when they were having, they were letting restaurants be open but outside. So they're all hanging out around at table eating pizza and drinking beer and people are out complaining there's a vaccine coming blah blah blah blah you know fuck this fuck that But in my I understand

It's weird it sucks But I get like damn this is kind of like I feel privileged that we can even sit down and talk about this And nothing's gonna happen Yeah you know and we'll never I could sit here I could try to relate to you guys But I really can't

Because you guys truly know what it's like for your own parents would probably tell you to stay silent on certain topics where we're growing up like we could say whatever we want

we could have temper tantrums and say whatever you want about the government and nothing oh man like in Russia I know that different between American society and Russia society

like what I see you know like you raise your kids like and tell them telling them like you can do everything

you want. You can be everything you want. You are special. You have these opportunities and all this shit. I believe in you. In Russia, it's opposite. Like, stay silent. Be like everybody. Dress, not that fucking, like, freak out, you know, like no show off and all this shit. Just stay humble and all this shit, you know. It's not about everybody, you know, but I can see that trend. And It goes away in Russia right now because of the new society, new generation, internet, and we see a lot of like how people live in America. Because for us, like what, like the fashion in America, the trend in America, we love that, you know?

Like, for example, if that, like a death court, huge in America, we start to listen to death music, you know, and finding out like cool stuff. stuff, you know? Yeah. But back in the days, like, USSR, it was, like, tough. Very tough. And from what I'm here and know about America, you guys has freedom. Right.

Yeah. Yeah. And that's why a lot of people from USSR and in other countries go to America chasing American dream. Like, because this is the land of freedom. and big opportunities. And if you want to reach something, you know, in your life, build something huge, you can do it here.

Because this is a center of music industry, a film industry, business, and all that shit, you know? Yeah, even down to culture, when you think about big movies, for example, it's just all-American culture, really, isn't it? You know, like when you even compare it to things like, yeah, like Asia and in China and all that. Everyone's waiting for these new Marvel movies, which is just such a big representation of American culture and values

and all these things that are shown in movies. And we try to copy that every time. And it looks like pathetic. Yeah. Russian item. Cheap copy. Yeah. Yeah.

We have strong image. We have strong ideas. We have our culture and all this shit, you know. but people just don't use it a lot and they don't realize that actually the whole world, including America, love this shit, you know? Yeah.

And I realized that, you know? And back in the days, I was like, God damn, I'm from Russia and we have a lot of small stuff, cultures and stuff like that. I want to show it to the whole world, you know? And America doesn't, American society doesn't know

actually how we live, what we eat, what we do, and all that stuff. But right now, you can see, like, you can listen slowly to prevail and find out my Instagram or fucking watch our videos and all the shit. And you already create that strong image about us, right? Yes. Because of the different, of the culture. Yeah, this is a cheap fucking copy of the Marvel. Wait, this is real?

Yes. Dude, I want to watch this tonight. It is a real movie? Yeah, yeah. That cover looks pretty terrible. Yeah. I'll be honest, I'm sorry.

What is that? This is a marvel, Russian marble. So, if it was this popular over there or no? Was that? Was that like popular? Or no?

Or did it flop? But not that much. Like our last record. Like, you know that. Dude, you know that Indian, fucking,

like Hollywood. Polywood? Yeah. Hollywood, yeah, yeah. It's like kind of. Oh, really? Yeah, okay. Kind of, kind of.

We try and so hard to copy you guys and make something special. But the problem is we just copy that. And we have a lot of good, like how you call that, people who create the films and movies and stuff, you know? Directors and all the shit, you know? Amazing. I mean, a lot of them are working in L.A. actually, right? You know that movie I talked about. like Grus Vesdi, like somebody, 200, like that people.

We call it Grus Vista. When you die at war, we call it Grus Vesti, like 200. Like, you're dead. 300, you have, like, a shot or something, you know. Okay. 300. And 200, you're dead. So we have that movie, 200, like Grus Deiast.

This is the horror movie? Yes. It's very fucking sick movie I ever fucking... And this director, yeah, Grus Dezio. Cargo 200. Yeah. This man, Balabanov, he created a lot of good movies in Russia. And it's about our culture.

It's about us. And it's good. It's very good. And like Brother 2, Brother 2 and Brother, the movie, popular. And if you guys will watch that movie, yeah, here, you will be surprised how good it is.

And you will find a lot of stuff. about Russian culture, about like USSR culture and all this shit, you know. And I don't know why, but people stop do movies like that. And nobody like, nobody cares about... We're in Russia? Yeah. It is real. It feels real, like energy and all the shit.

But right now, they try to make money and they, um, creating stupid comedy shit. and like a cheap copy of Americans, TV shows and all this shit. But it's not about us, you know. We just try to copy you guys. Why they stop trying? Huh? Why?

Why did they stop trying to make movies like this? I don't know. I really don't want. Yeah, and Balbanov shot all of their movies out of his own money. Oh, so he paid. Yeah, yeah, yeah. His own pocket.

Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. It's a big corruption. Yeah. He's real. He's real. Like, for example, I believe that people go in movie industry and music industry for the money, right? And if you want to be companies or government support you, you have to do bad projects. You know what I mean? like simple, funny, shitty humor, you know, on all this shit, you know, and then you got that money. But he was about idea, like the cult, I don't know. He, I don't know how to describe that. For example, that movie, Predator. Yes.

You love that, right? The first one. The first one. As far as, like, early 90s. Late 80s. Yeah. Did you see the last one? I didn't know it was terrible.

The same shit. And you know why? Because it's just for money, you know? Yeah, like water it down, right? But the first one, the first one, it was about idea. It was about the, it had soul. It had that soul. And right now, dude, right now, you pay attention

about music industry and movie industry. There is no soul anymore. People just fucking try to raise their money. It's a product. It's a product. Like Matrix. Back in the days, look, from the 90s, right? You see that shit? When I was young, I saw that movie, I was like,

this is fucking sick. And I don't even understand because I was young, but it was so fucking impressive, you know? And they had no fucking budget, like a little bit, right? Yeah. And then they make a lot of, because people love that, you know, because they put their soul into that. Like, for example,

Matrix, right? Matrix, the first movie. Yeah. Dude, the idea was great. Concept, all this shit, you know? The last movie, it's about fucking, you know, like a political game.

Yeah. Like being fucking politics or some shit, you know? There is no idea anymore. And maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. But it feels like that. No, I agree. I also think,

I think it's either companies, directors, bands, labels, you name it, are scared to put their real ideas out there because they're afraid of the background. Yeah. Yeah. And the one thing I noticed about, like, every movie has a fucking commercial, like, a cigarette or fucking companies like Coca-Cola or something. Coca-Cola. Back in the days, you didn't notice that, you know, like it was fast or whatever, you know.

Like, company pay you to show their products in your movie, you know, and you do it like very careful. Like subtle. Settle. Like, make it real. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like a wins world right here. Nowadays, you see that movie and they like, huh, Coca-Cola, the nice Coca-Cola in my fucking whole life, you know, like, you know, like make it so previous. Yeah.

It's all about money, right? Money and obvious. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I hate it. Same with music. And I think the problem is, is everything's so oversaturated. Like you have, for example, the Star Wars franchise, and back when I was younger, you had six movies.

And there was a magic to that, you know, you didn't have much, but it was like, you know, you could get into it. Now it's like every little thing, they're just seeing the dollar sides and they're just pumping it out. And you can't even keep up. It's like, you know, and once it gets to a. a certain point, they'll just cancel it or whatever and go to the next one. Like with Matrix, they've now run that into the ground, you know.

It's the same thing. And in everything, you try to make money. Like, for example, in music industry, you know, everything label does, everything a musician does, like they put out the new product and all the shit, they try to raise money. And it's okay, you know, you need that money. but it's losing the fucking soul like back in the days

maybe I'm wrong again you know but back in the days I didn't feel that maybe because I was young you know like value to it right? Yeah money yeah it's like their value what they see is dollar science but realistically culture has a lot more value and power really than

just turning over money like I mean I was hearing about was it the first corner record that they found like a a label rep found them in a garage right and basically gave them in front of them like a million dollars gave them a year to make the album something like that right

and then you have this record whereas now I can't imagine a situation where a label will first of all take that risk second of all let them make something like that but see what that did you know that that changed everything you know it's just being work it's not about like

idea already. It's just a fucking regular walk, you know. You have to do work. And there is no soul in it if you, if it's like, for example, the label, right? Like, you owner of the label and you just have a lot of ideas and all this shit and you're looking for the bands and all this stuff, you know, and give them opportunities, fucking put the money on the, with the, the, to the bands in the bands and you really believe in them right

but then you grow and your company grow and you have a huge fucking label and you hire a lot of like people work on you for them it's just a walk

they they don't give a shit about you about your band and all their shit they maybe pretend you know and maybe they do something right I'm telling true because I cannot imagine people fucking excited. Like, oh, let's do that with the band because I believe in them and all the shit.

Maybe, maybe. But a lot of them, I believe, they just walk because you have to do that. You know what I mean? There is no soul behind that. We saw the difference, not in a shit-talking way, but we saw the difference from when we were a band with 50,000 monthly listeners

to, you know, almost a million now. And we see the difference of how the industry treats us. We had no support before at all. And we saw bands with maybe a less organic for Ambase get this support from the industry, this industry push. We never got that. And then as soon as we hit a certain point, it was almost demanded of us.

And it's okay, because it's about capitalism, you know. America is about capitalism. And if I have the label or whatever, you know, like a big company, I don't give a shit about small fucking, like, projects and stuff like that. And yeah, if I see that some band blows up, I immediately pay attention for them. And it's okay, it's normal, it is what it is. But you have to be smart, you know, and you have to be, like, careful on the shit, you know? Yeah.

And it's okay. I'm not that guy who, like, oh, I'm offended because they doesn't treat us really well or fucking whatever, you know. It's my fault. And I take this responsibility. I grow a man, you know. You just have to realize that nobody gives a shit about you. But you.

That's it. Yeah. You know what I mean? Yeah. It took me a long time and learned that. Oh, yeah. No one will care more than you. Exactly.

No one won't care. Yeah. Exactly. And you, and you, and both you, Alex and Jack, you guys are like, have been like the visionaries of slaughter to be available since 2014. Yeah. You know, it's been like, you know, you too.

I mean, no one's going to care about your band more than you, your music, the way, the way you put it out. You kind of, even though, yeah, there's issues you always kind of have to put like your foot forward. Like, hey, this is what we think we, we should do. Because only you kind of have that,

I guess it's going to sound cheesy. Only you have that like antenna. Yeah, exactly. And then they kind of come to you. You said it's easy, but it's not easy because nobody understands that. Like, especially labels, they really think they knows everything, how it works and how it could be done, you know,

and all this shit. But nobody knows, except you. I actually have a funny story. I was sitting with our label rep and our manager at the time, and I played him two new tracks that ended up being agony and demolisher. And when I played him agony, he had a lightsaber in a room and he's fucking thrown around. He's like throwing down. He's like, this is sick. played the Molyshire and he's like, uh, this ain't gonna work.

This just ain't gonna work. You never know. And this is there. I don't blame him, you know, you never know. But I remember when I would be speaking of Alex, Alex would be like,

no, I have a feeling about this. Like, we gotta drop this. And he was right. And this is the thing is like, we know our fan base and we know what people expect

from Alex, from Alex vocals, from our music and all this. Yeah. And we have a good understanding of it. And we just want more. trust, you know, like it's important. Like that's why we have to care about it the most, you know?

Yeah. And we're not trying to talk shit about our label stuff because we have issues or problems with them. First of all, I'm going to say that I respect Ash, the Samarian Records owner. And I want to thank him. And I want to thank Samarian Records. It doesn't matter what happened. between us and all this shit, but I really respect them and I want to thank them because

for me personally it's really important when it shit happens with me like with my black Santa too and Nazi shit and all people like canceled me because they think I'm fucking racist or Nazi or some shit you know and everybody don't want to work with us and make us shows to art for us and all the shit. But Samarian record treat us well in this time. They took a risk. Yeah.

They took a big risk. We owe it to him, you know? Yeah. And I, I respect that. And I, like, pretty grateful. It means a lot to me, you know? You're...

It probably sounds like your only issue, which is small, but it's just it's hard to accept when you're a kid and you don't know anything about the first initial contract and there's no one to, like, advise you. Yeah. That will leave you like, that will leave like a bitterness for sure. But deep down you had that, that their respect.

He, thank you for helping us. Yeah. But I wish you was like a little bit more favorable for me. Yeah. And like we owe it a lot to ash. That's the thing. And obviously the problem I think is with all labels. It's only because our only experiences with them that we can only talk about it with them.

But I think in general, like the industry has outgrown really the need for labels. was in the capacity that it always was. You know, it has been for a while with streaming and with marketing and all this. And it's like, for us, as a band, we know how to market ourselves. We know how to do these things. Because we, this is our life and this is so important to us, you know. So we just will take the responsibility for that. Yeah.

Yeah, for sure. So they did like when there's any kind of controversy, they didn't bow down. And they're like, everything's cool. Uh-oh. Next topic, please. Ash, we love you. We love you, Ash, really. But just like, I know you guys for actually a while.

And I don't really understand, like, the extremely deep connection between you two. And I sense up the most, the most trust. in each person because when Alex put out the statement about about the war which is like when you're in a middle band touchy as fuck no one does it but

people want to talk about it but but but that they won't and for my first thought was like first of all Alex has balls for doing that so I I commend you for for that but then I thought about Jack it's like okay because it was because the way you said it was

this is my statement and the band statement. So I was like, okay, you had to get it okay from Jack. So Jack, I was just curious, what was going on in your mind? It was like, oh, we're about to tread these waters. To be honest, I just trust Alex with these things, you know. I think we'd be making music now together for so long. It's like I can trust them on all this shit, you know. And as well as that, we were actually, when the war kicked off,

you was in Poland with me and we were writing music in Poland and woke up one morning and we had to go drive to the Warsaw to go pick up a passport and the war happened like the tanks rolled over the border like that morning so I picked up Alex and

I can see straight away this feeling like I've never been this close to war you know Poland's right on the border as well with Ukraine and obviously for Alex to even get home and all this stress you know so for me it was very easy to trust what he thought, what he thought we needed to do, and he knows his situation

much better than me, just a fucking guy from England, you know? Yeah. I mean, not that much better, because you never know. You never know what exactly is happening, you know? But the fact is, like, Russia go to Ukraine with the weapons and stuff, it's a fact, you know? But you never know that fucking story behind and fucking many, many, many reasons. fucking situations inside but you just go in the internet and read a lot of shit you know and

anyway like against any war you know like Israel and Palestine Russia Ukraine and all this stuff every time I see news about like people dying kids dying is innocent people dying And it makes my heart, like, bleeding, you know, because, and at the same time, understand, that world never fucking change. And it is what it is. This is a part of our crazy life because people will never change, you know? And this world has war just because we all piece of shit. Yeah.

This is true. I agree. Constant power struggle as well. Like, you know, even right now, even if there's no war, for example, between America and China, there is not physical war. It is war. It's war of who with technology with, you know, everyone needs to, who's the top dog. It's always going to be its power struggle in the world. It's just human beings being human beings. Unfortunately.

Really fucking pieces of shit. Yeah. Yeah. Like we need more land. We need more power. We need to be first. Our religion is better and all the shit every fucking time. Control. And I believe that when they try to separate us with the religious, with the land, with the race and all this shit, it's easy to control us and it's easy to make that war and it easy to make, like, they make war inside the country, you know, the make people hate each other. It's much easier when you have different opinions, views and all this shit, you know. So I believe that people need to, like, try to make yourself bad every fucking day,

like small steps, you know? Sure. About like spiritual growing and that stuff. And like when you go for work, for example, you hate your fucking boss or co-worker or whatever, you know, it's a small step. And you just analyze why. And maybe you will find the compromise.

Maybe you start to, like, calm down more. and all the shit. They're like small, small things inside a small fucking community. And you just walk on yourself, first of all, you know? Because if you want to change the fucking wall, you have to change yourself first of all,

you know? Yeah, that's a big one. And it's also the toughest. And I mean, it's obvious things, you know, it's easy, you know? And people know that, but they never walk on their self. And they think,

ah, war is not, about me, you know, it's bullshit. I'm doing okay, you know. And what you're talking about? You're like a philosophy, stupid shit. But it's true, actually, that the results of our society, there are fucking situations everywhere

on the whole world. And we don't know shit. We live like a king's. We have food every day. We have water. We have electricity. A lot of people doesn't have it. A lot of people doesn't have schools,

water, food. fucking close and all the shit a lot of people and how could you live with these doubts how could you live with knowing that people starving

that people needs fucking home how could you live normal you know yeah like you need to I need quote I'm fucking close wait a second

by sure yeah and Gaza in this time brother I've heard I've got a few things to ask you about. Yeah. Okay?

We can switch this up for a second. Yeah, you can switch it up. I'm also, uh, this is one of the only places that people can go. There's literally, there's nothing you can ask me or it's not, there's anything can be said. I don't care.

Okay. You ready? So I heard 1994 you was a playing for the Giants. I was. Yeah? Yeah. And you support the Giants? I heard you're a big fan.

I heard you're a big fucking fan, dude. No. Next one. I heard, I heard, you like to hide. Reese's in your bandwagon bunk, dude. Who do you talk? Hey, yeah, yeah. Dude, don't worry about my source.

I'm just saying, I heard that you like to hide Reese's in your bandwagon bunk, dude. True or not? Yes or no? Yes. I also heard that the suspension wasn't too good on the bandwagon, and you flew out of that with a bit of speed. Yes.

Your back's still, back's okay? It's better now. Yeah? It's better? Yeah, it's better. That's all I got. That's all I got, dude. Appreciate the...

Everybody laughing it. Oh, they feel sorry. Oh, man. I fucking fell out of, but I was like, our bunk and I sprained my, my big toe. Fuck, that. Wait, you fell out of the bunk and sprained your big toe? Yeah. On what?

I fell out. I don't know. But you, like, you're laying down, like, how is your toe involved? And then, like, I went down, I hit my shoulder on the table. I don't know how things got connected. I don't know. I had this big old fucking bruise

and I had a milked chocolate underneath my pillows it's a weird it's a weird thing chocolate under the pillows well dude bandwagon better watch out because there's a lawsuit

coming for that one Garza dude bandwagon is so overpriced right now it's insane oh man you know what we're saying a lot

it's stupid we could talk about it oh let's talk shit fuck bandwagon yeah no for real like we

we paid a lot fair enough we agreed it contract we have no problem with that But the problem we have is that... Issues.

Yeah, apparently they can't survive specific weather like rain because it leaked through our fucking everything. Brutal. Like, we have videos. We kept in private, but these videos would surprise you, like full leaking through. And we were on tour with another band, and they had the same problem.

We would never cry about this shit, but we pay money. A lot of money. You know what I mean? Oh, and they don't want to help us. They tell us it just. tough shit. Because they know they had the market cornered. Right now, yeah.

There's nowhere else to go. Now everyone gets them. Literally, we got the last one. Really? Yeah. First to say it's fucking busy, right? Yeah, it's just stupid. It's fucking stupid.

Let's create a fucking wagon company. Like something. Yeah. It's just tough. I think it's temporary. It's just when fuel gets a little bit lower. People go back either the buses or something. Oh, dude.

In Los Angeles, how much for the film? I stopped looking. hurts you I know okay I'm gonna full up my tank and my bank couch to me fucking swiped Hey but it's cheaper in the hood right

because I remember I was here once and I was trying to find the cheapest place and the more gunshots you're hearing like the cheaper fuel price Yeah yeah yeah so

I don't think I could I could afford this room We are in Santa Ana dude Come on Sick Cartel land right It's a good area Just like any other city

Like go down a block that way Don't want to be there at night But that's where the cheap She always, I would assume so, yeah. The taxi driver, it was Tesla, by the way, first of all, second one. The taxi driver was a Syrian. Oh, yeah, Syrian dude. Yeah.

And he started to ask like, who are you guys? You in the band playing? Oh, here we go. How many followers you have in Instagram. I recently opened the restaurant. Can you guys, like, make a story in your Instagram, post my fucking restaurant. Yeah. Yeah, he already punished it.

But there's a deeper issue with Tesla and Alex. You see, Alex has a fucking beef with a white Tesla dude down in Miami. Serious beef, man, over dogs. Dogs? Because he's got a bully Excel. Yeah. Dude, you've got to tell this story. I mean, it's not that huge story.

Like, I don't know. Okay. Dude, it's fucking hilarious. All right, all right. So there is a dog park nearby my house. And everybody, like, loves my dog when I walk, like, in this dog park with guts. Gads is, by the way, 150 fucking pounds, a piece. And he's still a puppy.

He's, like, almost two years. And his attitude, like, a small fucking puppy who wants to play with you. But if you play with him, like, pretty hard, you know, like, start to you. moving fast and all this shit, he starts to bite you a little bit, you know? And it hurts. A little bit. He's a child destroyer.

Yeah, toddler destroyer. Tollet destroyer, but yes. But a little bit, yeah. Yeah. And we were walking, and there is a guy who drove white Tesla, and he's a new guy in this dog's park, you know, and he has a beautiful dog, like huge dog.

And unfortunately. Wait one sec. So he drives a white Tesla. What car do you have at this time? A fucking TRX. TRX. RAM. Ram.

The opposite. If there's two genders of cars, there's white Teslers and TRX. But my TRX identify like a Prius. As a Prius. I have a sticker on my TRX. Like, I identify as a Prius. Wow. Yeah.

So already there's a little bit of... Yes, right. So almost red flag in the area, you know? You understand what we're dealing with? I've played with the fire. I love it. But anyway, yeah, like I was playing with another dogs. Everybody knows me already and knows my dog.

Everybody's safe, feel safe. And this new guy drove Tesla. he was like probably 15 years old old man you know and he probably unfortunately doesn't know how to deal with dogs

and like when you have a new dog in the dog park a lot of dogs just came up to you came up to your dog and start to like find out like who are you like

sniffing and all this shit and stuff and start to play and he he panicked A lot. And this is a guy

who sold me that truck. That's sick. Now you see the truck, right? Against the Tesla. Huge, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, he started to,

the dogs, another dog start to play with him and guts my dog as well. You know? And that guy panic. Like, what the fuck?

Like, it's not okay. They try to attack my dog or something, but they didn't try. They just play with your fucking dog. Just smelling the fucking dog ass and shit. And the worst decision you ever made to lift your dog like that, you know? Because if you're going to like carry it like your dog,

and other dogs will jump on you immediately. And he did that shit. He did this mistake. Big mistake because guts start to jump on him. Really bad. Wow. And he immediately screamed like, this dog bite me

this dog bite me and I was like running and I was like so so are you okay he's no I'm not okay you're a fucking dog by my fucking elbow

and he showed the elbow it was fucking clean nothing that like nothing like no like a little bitch yeah like like nothing happened

he was just trying to like like I think of if got spice you even a small bit you'll just have like a normal mark you know if any dog by shoe you have like it Even if it doesn't draw blood, it's a toothmark.

One time, guts bites your ass. And it was, like, ripped. Gus did bite my ass, and my ass was extremely sore. This doesn't help your story, but this is true. Yeah, like, this doesn't help. Yeah, but I was like, okay, he's like a Karen or something. You call, like, that people, Karen, right there? I like that name, actually.

Karin, the beautiful name. But anyway, you call their people Karen. I was like, okay, he's even worse. Yeah. When you're a male Karen, fuck. Yeah, white Tesla, white Tesla, yeah. Yeah, kind of white Tesla? And he brings his dog inside the car and he starts to fill my dog. Oh, then they bust out the phone. Yeah. And I was like, here we fucking go. Now we're fucking talking. And I'm like, immediately grab gods, get out the fucking. truck and go home. And the next day or the next week or some, I was walking this dog park again and white guy, one guy, he was black, but anyway, I said white guy, white guy, but one guy, white one Tesla guy. No, no, different guy. He came up to me and he said, just to let you know,

brother, that fucking old man called police and like four cars, police cars came up and they was looking for you. Be careful. And after five seconds, he told me that. After five seconds, I was like, and why Tesla arriving? I was like, I will never go to this dog park again and fucking live. So to bring it full circle, our Uber today that turns up white Tesla. So you can imagine Alex.

I have a trigger right now for white fucking Tesla. It triggers him. Yes. And her hate. Yes. Is this weird some people just want to cause trouble, man? Yes, exactly. Like, why?

Yeah, why? Make him feel better about themselves. I think that's it. Yeah. Like he can tell a story and exaggerate it and be a victim. Yeah, but I said, I'm sorry. like, what should I do to fix that problem and all the shit?

I didn't scream or I didn't argue with him or fight. I'm being normal, you know? But it is what it is. And I hate it. I think a lot of human's lives were just kind of bubble up and then it comes out in these moments. Now the past year or two,

now people were filming, people's mental, fucking, breakdowns. You know what? I think that weak people like trying to be like victims and soft they have this opportunity right now because the world goes so soft. Back in the days if you if you show your softness and weakness you'll fuck up like immediately somebody will fuck you up you know because you like take advantage of you you show your weak weakness you know. But right now you can't actually show your weakness

and nobody will do nothing. You get empowered. In fact it's like if you have a problem in life it kind of makes your problem worse. Like if you know, everyone has issues and all this and it's like you kind of, I notice everyone wants an issue now. To say like to be, I guess because of

individualism as well. I guess because you being like really comfortable with everything, you know. You start to find a problem outside. You know what I mean? Because, for example, if you live in Russia in a small fucking village or some shit, you have to survive, you know? You don't have time for that shit, you know, like creating some problems outside because you have real problems, you

know, and you have to fucking deal with that. Like people here in America, or even in Russia in the big cities, they start to build that problems. because they probably has no fucking problems in their life, like real problems. You know what I mean? Yeah. Maybe because of that. I think it is because of that. And I think a lot of men nowadays, especially, sort of lose their place in society.

Oh, yeah. And it's changed a lot. And trying to find it, you know, and they're trying to find it through different ways. And I think a lot of people live lives of, like, quiet desperation, of wanting more, you know. Like, working in an office and all these things, you know, people want more. more from their life, I think a lot of the time. And this energy, how do you take it out? Some people have healthy coping mechanisms.

Go to a gym. Go into metal shows, you know, going to do things you love. And other people, I think, just try to bring other people down instead of bringing themselves up. It's super dark, man. It's crazy. What I do appreciate is your four rules of being a man. Be careful.

Be careful with this shit. Oh, my goodness. Is the camera still rolling? So when you think about this stuff, it's just like, you know what? I'm going to say it out loud. Because people, Alex, and I don't really think you're real, maybe I'll help you realize this.

Some people wish they can say that. Yeah, and this is crazy. But you actually said it. And I don't want you, you actually say it, Jack supported you. For me, it's crazy. I mean, for me, it's crazy. Like, nowadays, a lot of people in America

just scared to say a simple fucking stuff but there is a reason why they're scared and right now I understand why but I don't give a shit I will say it anyway what was the backlash like I don't think people can really fathom what it is actually like when the internet comes after you what do you mean?

Like what there's like a backlash you have a whole community attack attack comments or yeah they start to like send me the message in my DM and comments, a lot of comments. Like, 8,000 fucking comments. Like, it's crazy.

And I don't have a problem with LGBT people, like transganders, gay people, all this shit. I have problems with crazy people. You know what I mean? And if you, like, I am crazy. But I realize that I have a problem, like mental problem all this shit and I walk on that shit, you know?

Yes. And sometimes I'm wrong and I realize that. I accept that, right? But a lot of people don't realize that. And they try to push that on another people and they think they're right, but they're not, you know? And you have to calm down and humble yourself and realize that a lot of people has a very different opinion. But for example,

I was young, I was vegan, right? For six years, I was vegan. And I was like, everybody have to stop eat meat, actually, because it's fucking bad. You were one of them, huh? Right. Yes. Yes. And right now, a lot of people in the LGBT community, they think that way. Like, you have to appreciate that. You have to respect that. You have to fucking do that. You have to, you don't have to tell that or you cannot say that. Fuck you. I'm going to say whatever I want. Because if it hurts your feelings, I don't give a shit because this is a fucking real

world. Welcome. This is a real world. Yeah. And at the same time is like everything you're saying, nothing is actually like offensive or violent. Exactly. It's like.

Or disrespectful. Yeah. There's no disrespect. And this is crazy. Yeah. This is, like, realizing that makes me, like, crazy. You know what I mean? Like, because it's too far.

It goes too far. But people entertain it. This is the other thing is, I think with a lot of the stuff of people being canceled, most of the time it's people canceling themselves, you know, because once they smell blood, once you start apologizing, but you don't mean it. For example, the situation with CJ, you know, the band pushed him to make this apology video. Darry's Murder? Yeah, from Vy's Murder.

It's like you, it never, it didn't work. People smell blood and it just split it more, you know. I mean, for me, that all dramas inside the bands know the shit, they just, this is their personal stuff actually. And I understand that if you have that band, like, and make yourself not private anymore and make your real, like, individual life, you're showing in

the Instagram public Yeah Yeah You have to explain some shit To your fans, right? On another side But you never know what's happening

Exactly inside the band And you start to judge Immediately like Oh, you like You fire him You bet and all the shit But you don't know A lot of small things

Happening inside the band, right? And maybe they like agger a lot and fighting a lot, and they has their own truths, and the CJ has his own truths. And this is normal. And I call it

drama. I don't want to be a part of any drama, you know? This is your personal deal and stuff, you know, personal business. But it goes too far with the fans. Fans start to judge. Fans start to go

and see your underwear, you know? I want to see your underwear. What is the color, you know? This is my underwear, dude. This is just for me and my wife or something. Yeah. Or something. For me, my wife and my dog. Yes.

Yeah, gut. And I believe that people judge and other people, but they don't see in the mirror and look at yourself, you know, because everything you talk about that person, maybe you have this. Sure. But maybe you don't. Yeah. Maybe you don't understand this.

Or you don't want to understand. stand this you know yeah there is a I think I think deep down even like the council culture side of things whatever community or race you wanted to throw out and let's throw it all into one pot right I think deep down

that everybody humans truly want what you're doing it's a stand stand your ground when you do like we do the back pedaling it's this is fucking death core dude this was supposed to be dangerous say what the fuck we want exactly that's it

Yeah, exactly. People deep down, they might get pissed at you for like a minute or maybe what CJ did was a little bit out of control, it's fine. Yeah. But the whole backpedaling, that's not what this music is about. Exactly. Yeah.

People want you to stand your ground. Even if you're, uh, if it's true, sure, but people don't want you to back pedal. Yes. What he say, CJ, he said something like, this lady or whatever. Yeah, he shared a story. Yeah, from like some right wing dude or something, uh, about, something to do with a woman. But what exactly he said?

Like, this lady deserves to be burned. To be burned. You really think that he wish this lady death or something? He's just a normal dude, you know? And sometimes when we're talking together,

we're talking shit. And it's okay. We're all talking shit. But it's not serious, actually, you know? And when it goes serious, we bane serious, you know? But when you're talking shit, you're talking shit, right? And it's not about you really that guy, you know, but that people like,

you really said that? Oh, my God. Like, you're a fucking sane. You're a God. Or you're Jesus Christ. No, you worse. Maybe you're like worse than fucking CJ, right? Who are you to judge?

Stop it. Please stop it. Take it easy. As soon as you let them take control of that, you're fucked. This is where you're fucked. because now no one will be on your side. But on another side, if you have, like, big fan base, fucking millions and thousands of followers,

you have to fucking control yourself. Like, uh, think before you say something, right? There is a proper filter, but you're not filtering yourself. Yes. If you have a responsibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And yeah, you have to take this responsibility. So I took this responsibility when I had the fucking Black Santa too and all the shit, you know? I took this responsibility. And like when the people cancel me, it's fine because I took this responsibility. And I was young and I was stupid or maybe some shit. But it's not excuses for me.

Yeah. And it is in the past. And I took it. You know? And like, it's okay. And I don't blame people. I understand people. I understand this reaction.

It's just a normal reaction, right? Yeah. But on another side, like, people have to like be more kind. to each other. You know what I mean? Especially in music industry or something, you know? Yeah. I believe.

And people can actually change. This is the other thing. Like we have a, like a justice system that if you do time in prison, for example, and you come out, you know, you get another chance of life.

You know, you serve your time. People fucked up. In the eye of the public, it's like people do change. Like, maybe, I wonder how many people that judge what they were doing when they were

15 that if they were now going to be judged for for the rest of their lives, you know, You deserve to change as a man and a woman and grow as a person. You have to change. You're growing. You have to change. But people don't accept that.

Like, you always see, I always see comedians that maybe get a new job, like on a TV show and people find a tweet from 10 years ago or whatever. It's still unfair. Yeah. It just hates this. It's fucking unfair.

Yeah. Because if you think what Castle culture actually is, it's like humans, well, humans in general, I mean, are very hypocritical creatures. Oh, yeah.

We are very hypocrites. Double stamp. and stuff. It makes one sense. Okay, so let's say, let's say you're right. This man and women of non-binary or whatever we want to say

is let's say they did like this tweet. Okay, great. They're a whole person canceling. But if you think about what canceling is, you're trying to basically take their livelihood away, their money away. You want them to not pay rent. Safa.

You have to saffa. You want their cat, their dog and not a food. You don't deserve any of happiness in your life. That is actually more. More brutal, right? That is more of a bad person. Yeah, yeah.

It makes no sense to try to. This is what I'm talking about. Look at your fucking mirror. What's you doing with his life? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Calm down. Jesus Christ, please.

But it's power. It is. Because when it goes this crazy and it's like a mob mentality, there is a power to it. And, and do, give it to it. Then another thing. Like, they think they can judge. Who are they to judge, you know?

And, If people fucked up, okay, we have the laws. We have the fucking debt system. And if you break the fucking rules, you go to the prison on some shit. But they think they can judge and they think they can make that rules. And if you fucked up, now we're talking. Let's go, baby. You fucking cancel.

You don't have anything. People get excited. I see it. We have power. Like, wow, what's going on now, you know? And everyone keeps up and is, you know, the talk. but one week later is something else. You know, that's the other thing as well.

It's like you just need this quick... Yeah, this quick fix of reality TV in front of your eyes and you get to play a part in it by commenting shit or whatever. And your voice is heard because you can make a new account and comment as much as you fucking want, you know? Right now, I see only fucking drama, you know? Like, when I was young and we don't have, like, social medias and stuff. We have internet, but I never use the internet because I don't know how,

like I didn't know how. And I was a big fan of suicide silence. I was a big fan of Big Mizor Horizon, like their first EP and all this shit. And by the way, just because of suicide silence, just because of Mitch Liker, and just because of Oliver Sykes, I'm here right now.

And I do my music just because of them. And it's true. It's actually true. And I can't believe I'm like here. And if you told me like when I was 15, like you're going to be here with, like guys and

make that podcast and all this shit and unfortunately Mish Luka died but anyway like I would not believe in that shit because for me like it's something like fucking I'm real

you know and I remember I have my PC like computer and I saved a picture of Misch Laka like of Oliver Sikes and I just go to this photo gallery and just look at them, you know. And I just want to be, look, like, looks like them,

and sing like them, scream like them. And I never try to know about their personal life, about their personal stuff, what they do in their life. I just, I'm just wondering about their music. And that's it. Right now, people more. wondering about your personal fucking life than music.

Oh dude, it's crazy. Like I saw that thing that went viral about the tips on tour. Did you see that with Tessract? Oh, yes. Yes. And it's like fans right now, on one hand,

it's cool they get to look into what it's like to be a band. You know, instead of just going to a show and seeing a show, they get to see what it's like for the crew and everyone, you know? But on the other hand, there's, you know,

everyone has to always take aside and they don't actually know. You know, you like, it's strange, like, yeah, as when I was younger, it's like, they don't even know. Yeah, there'd be no discussion about tips from a merch to do or whatever, whatever the situation is like, they just wouldn't, you know, you just have the band, you have the music. In America, wild. Like, I really, I don't understand. Crazy. Dude, I don't understand these shit.

Seriously. And, it went up. Like, you know, when you have the three options, it's now starts. I remember 2017, we were touring a lot. And like, we had no fucking money. And each restaurant we go, like, are we starving? You know, and we had no money. And they, like, leave the tip.

And I live, like, one dollar or two dollars. And for me, it's a lot already, you know? Right now? They were looking at like, you, motherfucker. Yes, exactly. And I don't understand it. Because for me, like, personally, in Russia, you never tip if you don't want to.

right? And everybody is okay with that, even if it's a waiter or whatever, you know. But if they do a great job for you, you can tip. It's up to you, you know. And it's normal. Because they have their salary, boss paying their money and all this shit. And I believe in Japanese or whatever, if you tip, it's a bad thing. Like you disrespect or something. I heard about that. Yeah, yeah. Maybe it's not true, but I heard about that. But anyway, here in America, you have to tip literally everybody. Literally, fucking everybody. I saw. I don't necessarily say it.

Like, for a second. Like, I remember that I went to, I believe, fuck, I don't remember. But anyway, it's absurd. It's absurd. Because I already pay for the service and they look up to me and waiting. Like, you want to tip? I was like, why should I have fucking teeth? Like I already pay for this service.

Why? And I don't understand. If I go to the restaurant, you know, and I'm not that rich, and I go to the restaurant with my kids and wife and all this stuff, and I already know how much that costs, like, menus and all this shit. I already counting. But then I realized I have to tip, like, at least 20%. And it's extra.

And I feel uncomfortable already, you know. But I don't know. I just don't understand. Well, I think it goes deeper, right? Because it's like you're paying the wages so the boss doesn't have to, right? The boss of the restaurant, they own or whatever. Oh, tattoo artists. Oh, yeah.

Yeah, because I believe all tattoo artists, not all, but a lot of tattoo artists, work on themselves, like self-employer, right? Yes. And you create that price, right, for your work. And then you just, they want to tip you? Go so far. I really don't understand it. And if I'm tattoo artist and I self-employer, I did a great tattoo, of course, I want a tip.

Like they tip me, right? I want more money. But it's not okay. But you agree the price. Exactly. And I'll be honest, I bet like Americans watching us right now are screaming. Like, no. Like, you don't understand.

You stupid. Russians and Europeans. But the thing is, is like, yeah, in Europe. Go home, go back to your fucking Russia, don't tip. Stupid foreigners. But it's like if the waiters and the waitress and all these people go to their boss and say, like, I'm not working until you pay me more and they stand up to them, you know, and people still want to tip, that's extra money on top, you know, and that's actually

something grateful then as well. It's like, it kind of takes out even it meaning something. Like in Europe, if you tip, someone's genuinely happy because they still get the normal wage because you legal, the government just makes them. Yeah, it's just everything's so bad here with that. It's like, maybe we misunderstood something. No, no, no, I think it's just happened in the past two months where I noticed like it's going up. But they offer like 25% option.

I'm like, oh, this is getting insane. But I just don't like, I don't appreciate like the look. Yeah. That little moment, like, get to figure out a better, more flowing way to like, don't put the 25% in my face. Yeah. Makes you uncomfortable, right? Yeah, that's tough. There'll be times where we'd even get really bad service and it would be like, we're not going to tip.

But we will say like, hey, make sure you got your wallet. Make sure you got your car. Don't leave anything here. We're going to write zero. As soon as we sign this, dip, dude. Get out here because they're going to be. pissed, you know. And I think one time I left my card there.

Yeah, we got to go back. Yeah, this was karma, actually. And in my defense, this was like maybe one or two weeks of coming into America. But I tip a lot. I tip a lot of money, actually, right now, because I have a lot of money right now. But I feel bad maybe you don't like making that much of money. And every way you go And every service you got

You feel uncomfortable Because you have to tip And you don't understand Like should I tip 50% Maybe he got offended because I tip 50% Maybe I have to pay like 25% Yeah Like tip 25%

And it's just uncomfortable You know And if you make a Russian uncomfortable What's what is going on? Bears fine Tipping coach? Fuck. Like, I'm on team of the workers.

Like, fucking go to your boss, demand some fucking money. Like, you're running this business. If they all go home, the boss is fucked, you know. Power's in your hands. Fucking take it. True. You know, that's the thing.

It's crazy. It's true. Yeah. Well, on a more positive note, I was curious. That wasn't positive? It was. It was positive depending on what country you're listening from.

Right. It's funny, dude, people have such different perspectives. Yeah, exactly. If it's like, no matter where, even though it's state to state now. States. Yeah. It's like every person will have their own life perspective. Yeah.

It's crazy. Yeah, it's crazy shit, man. How did you guys, what was the writing process like for a song like Demolisher? Actually, we wrote this song like five years ago. I believe six years. I heard it around for a while, right? Yeah, we wrote it. before, like one week before,

misery sermon dropped, which was the album before. That's so weird. And we were pushing to try and get it released. It took some time and Mr. Terrible here came up with a fantastic idea of just not telling the label

and just dropping the video. Rock and roll, baby. Sometimes I just want to do whatever I want to do. You know. And dude, to be fair, that's what, that's, it helped us. You know, it helped us. And I think it also helped the label see where we're coming from and helped everyone

to get on the same page with it all, you know. Right. But I think writing process, we, we just, we were just writing a bunch of songs. And that one just, yeah, it just came together. Yeah. Just sounded ridiculous, sounded sick. And dude, we really unprofessional. Like, everything we do really unprofessional.

Like, we do. everything I looked at a manager sitting there like thanks God we have either right now because this is only one man

making us looks professional because he's professional we are professional at all like we do everything in the last moment we don't give a shit

about everything we do we just like lazy asses every time and we like we fucking so this is the writing process

yeah Yeah. Actually, the writing process for the new tracks, we lived in Polk counting. You know that in Florida? Some like... In the swamps between Tampa and Orlando. We just, we live there.

We would walk guts. We would hit the gym and we would just write fucking music. And if we knew we wrote a good track because everywhere we went in the car, everywhere when we walk in, we're just playing the track. And we're happy like, wow, this is sick. And that's just the vibe check. You know, if it checks that, I think, it's cool for us.

And we have tracks coming up that are completely different and completely what you would expect. And just everything, you know, it's just what makes us fucking feel good about it. It's like, you know, and I think when we write together in person as well, it's like we're able, he sees everything from a vocalist and a listener's point of view. Whereas I'll see it from a guitarist. So he can pick up on the bullshit of like, like, this riff makes no sense. Whereas for me as a guitarist, I'm like, but dude, there's 30 pinch harmonic.

How does it not make sense? You know, he's like, dude, this sounds like trash, right? And this is the process. And we just weed it out, weed it out. That's great. That's great, though. Yeah, we do it, yeah. Yeah, because we're so like this here.

Yeah. And that's nice to have like someone that lists your perspective, you know. But it helps out. I think when it's more than two people. Oh, yeah. Like when the, the more people you add in, or for us anyway, it does, it gets to a point where nothing can really mold together. Because everybody has his opinion and view on that track or whatever, you know.

And he's like, you're talking shit. Like, you know, like, oh, we have to do that, we have to do this, we write this riff. I was like, nah, this garbage. Yeah. Let's do what I love to do. You know? Wait. And it works.

But wait, wait, wait. We have one track. We wrote, oh, shit. Me, Alex and our guitarist Dima, and it's the worst track you've ever heard. And we will listen to it for fun. Like, maybe one day we will show a clip of it. Maybe. It's the worst song you ever heard.

And from this moment, we were like, yeah, we will just go back to writing music like we were before. Yeah, it's like hilariously bad, yeah Sometimes experimenting goes bad Yes Yeah Yeah, yeah But it's okay

It's fine And so do So you find that like Just like the two people It's like some kind of magic To that Yeah Right

You know I think so Yeah I mean Dima wrote two songs On the Costal album And it's like

Bratwa And Your Only You're only Yeah But Brutvard goes fucking viral, you know, and sick track. Yeah.

But at the same time, I believe that the album cost a long, has, for my opinion, has three, three, only three, strong songs I love. The rest of the songs, I don't like. Well, Jack needs to step up then, right? Exactly. Yeah. Damn. I get it.

Yeah. At our last local show here, we're all drunk. The show's over. And I'll ask Dan Kenny, you know, how are we going to. you know, what do you think we gotta do to make money play music? Do you write better riffs, you fuck? Yeah, true. But it's true.

Dude, it's actually true. It is like with custom, like, I actually agree. It's like we, we throw some stuff at a wall and a few things hit, you know? And I think that the writing process for the new tracks, what we also approach was we kind of, you spend more time on them. Like there's always, when you're writing a song and you think it's nearly done, there's always something missing. And you just got to find that. For my opinion, to write a really good album, you have to know a strong bass.

Like, you have to understand there is a structure for the listeners, even if it's fucking desk or whatever. But if you want to make it sound huge and people could understand that, even they're not a fucking, fucking Descore fans or all this shit, you have to make a structure, a good structure. And then you have to understand what works for your vocals, what instrumental, what fucking kind of atmospheric and all this shit works together good, you know? Yeah. And then create a huge choruses. It's really important.

You have to remember that choruses and like it will stuck in your memory, you know? Yes, yes. Very important. and you have to learn about music what music people like like the science of it the science, yeah. So for example, if you

hear the fucking pop song or whatever and it hits really well and you think this is a fucking banger or hit it's not just because it's a random fucking track just because it's a smart track and And you're releasing this dofamine or serotonin and all the shit just because it wrote by good producers

and they know how to write that shit, right? And we try to learn that shit by ourselves. And we try to test it with our songs, of the new songs. And I believe you have to write at least 20 or 30 songs and choose the strongest one, choose the 10 strongest and put it out. Yeah, exactly. You better get the work.

Dude, we've already done the work. Oh, yeah? We're now working on the next one, bro. Yeah, I mean, we literally had 10 songs, but that's it. Yeah. The problem as well for us is that it feels like we need a good amount of time. This is why I am. At least one year.

Yeah, but a real year, a real year, like not a year of, but we're going on tour for a couple months or something, because this is taking up time. You know, you need to detox after tour, you need to break, and you need perspective because you're getting tired on tour, listening to music and all that. You're losing your perspective, you know, you need to sit somewhere and just fucking go at it. And if you write a shit song or a shit riff, it's fine, you know, like just keep fucking powering on with it and try and learn. And like for us, it was interesting, or for me at least, like, trying to learn, like, what makes a good song a good song, because it releases dopamine and what is it. And there's little tricks like in the pop industry. It's like, if you repeat a melody three times and change it on the fourth time, does something to your brain, you know, it's easier for a hook. Little things like that.

That when you start doing that with like a tremlo riff or like a fucking slam riff or something, you actually add in this little bit of groove, you know, Pantera do it amazing. corn are brilliant, you know, just throwing things here and there. It's like, maybe they did it all natural just from writing and that's perfect, you know, but just to have that little bit of knowledge, it's like, can make that riff, that's just a good riff, into now a great song. Like that great song. Yeah. Like I think for Costalum, we have some sick parts.

But, you know, we were not quite there yet with the songwriting. And where we were, certain songs, I fucking love them, you know. And I believe you have to spend a lot of time to pay attention for the small, small details in the track. Like, for example, you have a strong bass, like every instrument, vocals, mix, perfect. Then you have to put a small detail, small sounds, backgrounds, and all this shit. Because... No, you hear maybe. Yeah, underneath it, yeah.

Yeah. Like, everything, everything, like in this world, build up with the small detail. Everything. So it's just that if you're... art, artist, like you, like, drawing the pictures, it's a small details, right? Yeah. Because if you just fucking, like, draw a guitar or some shit,

without small details, it looks, like, not finished. Yeah. And fucking whatever, like garbage, you know? Yeah. But if you pay attention for the small, small, small, small details, yeah. It's a piece of art already, you know? Yeah.

And you have to spend a lot of time. Yeah. And focus only on for that. And it's hard to like keep the energy. It is tough. And keep that focus. And especially in today's age of fast content. Oh yeah.

You know, like you. What's your, what's your take on that? Because I have a balanced perspective. I mean, I'll be honest, my guilty pleasure is pretty much half the fucking TikTok songs.

But I think that is, it's just a, it's a sad way to consume music for me, especially from like, you know, the generation I grew up in, and I can still understand that maybe I'm being a bit of a boomer with it. You know, I miss the days of being excited for how I'm listening through it, you know, and I think that there's a lot of good songs that go popular because of a little hook here and there, and the actual song is a minute and a half, you know, there's not much to it. Yeah. It doesn't work nowadays,

and I explain you why, because, like, nowadays we have a lot of information from internet, like a lot, And your brain start to starving for that information. And like your iPhone or whatever phone always with you. And if you have like time and you do nothing, you just go on YouTube or fucking Instagram. And you start to looking for the fucking TikTok video. And the famine and serotonin releases. Yes. You know, you're searching for that shit.

Yeah. Your brain wants that shit. Yeah. And it's including music, movies, relationships, and all this stuff. And this is our problem, actually, because this is like a drug, we have to come down. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's literally a drug.

It is. You know, the same way if you get high and your body's releasing dopamine or serotonin. This is a new generation, actually. And we're in this generation. And we have to deal with this generation. We have to be smart. And if you want to be on top, on the music industry or whatever, you have to understand that and realize that

and, like, walk with that shit. It's like always finding there's some possible balance. And I think we'll never get it right, but I think just the brute force trying to understand it. Right. Yeah. I think we'll set you apart.

But one thing I do like about the new way with music and all that is you can't really control, and I see it with labels, they can't control what's going viral. Like, there'll be a random song from like fucking bulk area or random stuff. city from like 10 years ago it just goes viral you know and that's it and no one can see it coming no one can control it

and it's kind of a beauty to that that it is almost like the people people with internet choosing it's a big opportunity and everybody trying to get this chance you know and the competition is so big right now because back in the days

there are fucking few huge bands and that's it you know and If you are huge and if you are big enough already, you can be relaxed. You know, and just do whatever you do, you know, and keep going. Right now, you have to stay focused because... 100%. Big competition. Big competition.

Everybody has internet. Everybody has, like, instruments, tools for make their content. Yeah. Everybody. Actually, we've been having lately. And knowledge, actually, knowledge. Because like when I start to scream, I just play suicide silence and I just try to make that sound. I never fucking, dude, I never fucking go to the internet and read how to do that.

Because I have no fucking internet, you know? Right now, a lot of teachers, a lot of fucking lessons and stuff like that. Knowledge. I didn't have it. You know what I mean? That's fucking true. Yeah. I always see that like vocal coaches and stuff of like you want to learn how to do this and that.

But like, we were even talking like the other day about with content is like, our music video is dead now because you can have a clip. For example, we, we had a lot of clips of Alex go viral of us performing live. And this is not professional filmed live footage. This is someone with a cell phone watching it and filming it. And this is doing much better, you know? Like the organic content from people's like low quality sort of phones. is doing great. Like is it now that a music video is even worth it? Like to how do you promote your music, you know, in today's age? Is it like, is a video just something flashy for like the diehard fans or

something or for specific fan base? Yeah. You never know. I believe if you have money for the good video, you have to do a good video, you know, but you don't, if you don't have the money, you still have this opportunity to make something. Yeah. Content. It's okay. There's always something. Yes, exactly. And it's always trends as well, you know. right there's always a trend every week of content kind of trend um and i feel like you can match it up with that and and just push that out and every one and every 10 videos might do good and let people choose if they like it or not you know if they like you or not you know what i mean yeah i i don't know how it works but it is what it is but and at the same time people

try to like uh understand how it works to get this attention to get this popularity and be celebrity and all this shit i never thought about that i mean i always want to be like michelaco oliver sykes and uh like uh play big shows and uh all of the shit but right now i just realize i really don't want it i really don't want that attention in my real life, you know. I appreciate all my fans and like I appreciate all the people who come coming up to shows and follows us, follows me. And just because of them, I'm making them money, you know, and I live my best life, you know, and I really appreciate that. But at the same time, this is not what I expect. You know what I mean? Like, uh, uh, uh,

People want it, but they doesn't understand what exactly they want. You know what I mean? They don't know the cost of it. Yeah. Like on your own life, which is everything. Yes, exactly, everything, literally. And it goes natural. Like with me, it wasn't like a project or somebody sponsored me or some shit.

It just goes natural. And I believe that it's just a power of your town. because I already, since I was 15 years old or 14 years old, I knew I'm going to be a rock star, a big rock star. And I believe in that shit. I didn't believe in that shit. I knew that. I 100% knew that.

And without any dobs, you know? And I just draw in my future every day, every fucking day, every fucking second. And I think this is a strong tool. whatever you want in your life, like be a rock star, be a businessman, be a good father, be a fucking whatever, you just focus.

Because it's only about that focus, you know? If you're losing that focus, you're spreading your energy and your fucking life for everything. But if you focus on one thing, this is real energy and power. And it creates something new.

It's building up with that shit. So you pay attention for that, you only in this thing. You know what I mean? And it works. It works perfectly fine. But in general, people don't know what they really want. And they pay attention for everything. I actually want this one. Oh, no, I'm actually changed my mind. And for the next day, I changed my mind again, you know, and I go opposite way, you know. No, you have to focus on this shit for years. Yeah. Years. Because you're,

you're competing with people that are waking up, breathing it. 100%. You know, that's who you're competing with. And if you want it, you've got to be better than them, you know, and that's just what it comes down to. Yeah, and it's not about, like, what content I have to make today or how it works.

It's only about focus, and you have to do everything literally everything and one day it will blow up 1 million percent yeah it's very true and when you at least expect it

I feel like like we didn't actually expect demolisher no like we no idea literally no idea I promise you we just like the tracks

yeah I have this feeling like you said you know but I never expect that like death core fucking song will have 40 fucking millions streams on Spotify and 20 fucking

million views on fucking YouTube, you know. For me, it's crazy. For me, it's crazy. For me, it's crazy. I have, like, 800,000 followers on my Instagram. I just fucking descore vocalists. Wow, it's crazy, right?

It's unbelievable, Alex. Actually. What you guys have done it, it's unbelievable. It is fucking cool to see. It's cool, right? It's cool. But this is example, like, you can't do the same if you really want.

This is clearly example. Yeah, you got, you guys got a focus. And one of the biggest, and thank you, Jack and Alex for sharing how you, you brought the band, how what it's eventually become. And one of the biggest mistakes in my career was losing that focus. Right. And look what happens. I mean, look at this table. Right.

You know, I mean, you guys came up out of nowhere. Yeah. And like people like me and fucking thought they're cool shit loss focus And other people are living it. Yeah. Yeah. When you stopped. Yeah.

You know. And this is real life. And I mean, you realize that, right? And your life in your hands. That's it. Yeah. And there is no excuses and there is no fucking fate or some shit. This is just you.

And if you want to make an excuse, you can. But you will pay the price. for this. You know, you want to make yourself feel better and tell people like, I could have been this, but I had this problem. At the end of the day, it's you that doesn't have it. Yeah. You know, it's you that have to pay that price. That's it. And maybe tomorrow, slaughter to prevail, done, like, finish, you know, no, like, I'm tired or some shit, you know, and we just de-hype or whatever. But anyway, and, you know, and this is real life. And you have to accept that. Yeah.

And you can change it if you really want. I believe it takes time. Sometimes it takes fucking years and 10 years and stuff like that. But if you give up, this is your fucking problem. That's it. Yeah. I mean, we've been doing it 10 years from next year. Yeah.

Demolisher is what? Three years ago. And before this, we were doing shitty vantors and we cut out of teeth doing some of, you know, making no money and all that. Yeah. It's just... I made money already when we toured in 2017, 2018, because I was selling my mask really good.

And I'm still selling my mask really good. Yeah. And this is just because I, like, realize that I can't do that. You know what I mean? And people love that. And I was like, if people love that, I will give it to them.

You know what I mean? And that's it. This is so easy, you know? and every time guys from the band start to cry about anything like oh I don't have money or all of this shit

I was like look this is not my fault this is your fault do some yeah fucking do some you have it but everyone has the opportunity

this is the thing you know and I know everyone's built differently but at the end of the day everyone has the fucking opportunity to make it weakness in myself, first of all. So 100, that's, I hate my own weakness for anything.

Yes. Same, yeah. Because then, yeah, it'll just, it'll just manifest into evil and hatred for. Yeah, just eat you up. Yeah. And make you bitter. Yeah. You know, and you're the only one to blame.

That's the thing, you know. 100%. And when you take responsibility and, you know, you can do whatever you want. You can start business. It doesn't even have to be music. It can be anything, you know. Yeah. If you have a base and discipline and an idea.

But do you really want this? because a lot of people just don't want this because a lot of people just live in the regular life and they have a family, kids, normal job and they're happy and this is really important thing. They're happy. I'm happy right now. Yeah.

And it doesn't matter if it will happen in the future, you know, like tomorrow or some shit, I will stay happy because this is my attitude. You know what I mean? That's it. That's so easy. And I don't need like all of the money in this way. I don't need it. I just need the opportunity and tools and make sure my family

like have food on their table and house they in the like for living. That's it. So easy. The basic stuff, you know, because as I said before, a lot of people starving. A lot of people want just a fucking water, you know. A lot of people doesn't have like harm. I'm happiness person in this life, you know? Yeah. The most happiness person. I have everything. I appreciate that.

Even a little toddler destroyer like guns. Yeah, my lovely guts. Well, you guys have earned it. I've seen it from the outside, you know. Thank you. Seriously, dude, I mean, we couldn't have done it without you guys doing what you did. Like, we were having this discussion coming here. Like, if it wasn't for you guys, honestly, we wouldn't.

we wouldn't be in this. Yeah. It's a crazy. It's crazy life, right? Yeah. It's a crazy life. It's just crazy. It's just crazy.

It's so insane. Yeah. Sometimes it's actually literally the past two months of my life have been really interesting, like this accepting like this is your life. Yeah. Holy, we could go on tour and play music? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

How did you get here? You don't, like you don't belong here. Oh, then you remember like the years of sacrifice. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I'm glad you, you think that way because we, every day we, we notice that. Like, this is crazy, dude. Like, we're living that fucking life. This is crazy. We're not walk on the factory or whatever.

Like, back in the days, I walked in the factory. And, like, right now, I sit in with you guys. And this is crazy. It's just crazy. And I appreciate it. I appreciate it almost every day. Every day. Every second.

Yeah. Yeah. It didn't hit me until mid this conversation, but you guys, it might come out wrong. But you guys remind me of myself and the band. It restate focus and then it made the mistakes that we made. It shows like what happens when you see a band that loses focus and make some mistakes when a band that does not lose focus literally has a shit tattooed on them. Like lives it, breathes it every fucking day.

It's not lose focus. It's not get jaded. And it's really cool to see. Thank you. And then you guys now it's the tables of turn. It's backwards. Now I'm learning from you guys. Right.

It's so bizarre. And it's sick. I think it's normal. And I think this is. beautiful right it is yeah it is because I I never think about myself or I'm like better than you or whatever I'm learning I'm learning always learning oh always learning from everybody like I'm not that guy who's like oh you do that job it's a kind of shit job and all this shit you don't deserve that all

and I deserve more no fuck no because the whole life will beat you up in the fucking seconds and you will not stand it 100% make you humble so shut the fuck up and just fucking learn just do it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah

life always win yeah yeah life life always win i know we're gonna we're almost going on two hours i have two more quick questions six since since it's us right since it's us on one table what what do you guys think is the heaviest record of all time heaviest record

of all time unanswered like the cleansing for me okay thank you no no it's not because of you

or suicide silence or whatever because this is my first song like really heavy song I ever fucking heard in my life

when I was young and I was like dun dun dun dun dun dun and this fucking scream I was like what For me, the cleansing album It's the heaviness fucking music

In the metal industry in the In my whole life Wow And an answer song Thank you out Yeah, no problem I'm humbled, that's crazy That's insane

Coming from you guys I mean that's like You guys are now again the tables have turned It's just true It's just true It is literally true It's like from the drum sound To the guitar

From the literal sounds audit to the right into the vocals, it's like, it's 10 out 10. I saw that video like the festival. The Mayhem Fest, right? Yeah. There, right? Yes. And dude, I see the fucking motorcycle flying. Yeah.

People like, fuck yeah, you know. And me, yeah, screaming, da-da, and you guys like that. For me, it's just a pure fucking death course. Like, we call it Italon. It's just an idol, you know, of that music, you know? For me personally, and I think for the most of the people back in the days, because you guys were the first band who will, like, who brought it in your face, like, eat it.

And it was fucking, like, like, heavy but at the same time a lot of people listen to them a lot of people you bring that that score on the fucking yeah yeah you know from the underground yeah it's true and you know like that you know why this announcer song because of the structure because of that simple structure and i can understand that because i never get in this metal music and i i i heard this Yeah. Like track, for me, I can understand that. And for me, I can hear clearly every instrument and it fits perfect with the vocals.

And I was like, this is fucking, I remember having something new and fucking heavy. Yeah. Crazy. So this is, like, for me, this is a perfect structure. And, yeah. Crazy. Yeah. Yeah.

How about you, Jack? What kind of heavy? Like, actually, let's take it. wherever you want to take it. For me, like, just disgustingly heavy album, I would say,

um, was that dying fetus one? It's like, we're subjected to a beating. The red one, where he's on the throne. Is that, uh,

supreme? He reign supreme. Yeah, like, like for me, that's just like, the heaviest, like the riffs,

but like death, death metal heavy, you know, just disgustingly heavy. but I think also for me, as I get older, heaviness starts to change like what I think of. I will listen to the Great Southern Trenkill by Pantera, and to me that sounds like the heaviest.

Even though it's not literally the heaviest in terms of like sludgy guitars or fucking growls, to me it's the heaviest of just like rhythms, the intensity, even the heaviness of the emotion on the sort of softer tracks or whatever you want to call it, you know? To me, that's heavy. For me, it's Romstein.

Because they have a heavy fucking detox. You've been talking about Ramstein a lot. Sorry. I hate, they're fucking sick. But that's the thing. It's like, I think when, you know, people look at heaviness as just like if you don't have super fast or whatever, you know, but heaviness, it comes from, I mean, emotional. You feel heavy, you know, you hear something sad. But listen, Ramstein, they did, like, for you guys, like, for you guys.

like an answer, right? It's still heavy and it's still not for everybody, right? But you just make it not even underground but make it huge, right? Make it more understandable, make it more extreme, but fucking modern and all this shit. But look, Ramstein has a fucking heavy riffs.

They are very heavy riffs, man. They are very heavy riffs, dude. And they sounds huge, epic. Clean vocals, but brutal, but still beautiful. fucking heavy wrist, but you can hear everything and understand everything. And you can fucking play it in the gym and push-ups and fucking like lift their shit with these tracks. And you go to the stadium, fucking see that performance and it's crazy, it's heavy.

But you can also play it in the fucking restaurant, whatever, because it's beautiful. Yeah, yeah. And I love that. Because this is a really like a bridge from the metal society to a number. normal people because everybody can listen to them. You know what I mean? I respect that. True. I love it.

Well, Jack Alex, I think that's a great way to close it. Yeah. You know, you guys came straight from L-A-X. Yeah. Straight from fucking Orlando. Orlando and L'E-X. Yeah. Boom. Yeah, there we go. Land of Disneyland. We are all

here just fresh off the planes. Yes, dude. Thank you for flying in as well. We appreciate you. time a lot, dude, is... I really appreciate it because for me, it's just... It's just unreal, you know? Because you, like, wasting your time, not just wasting. It's a waste of my fucking time, really?

Yeah, yeah. You wasted your time with us, dude. Language body, yeah. You're spending your time, you know? Yeah, but anyway, like, I really appreciate it, man. I really appreciate it. Any time. It's great, I mean, because bands like you guys are keeping the genre alive.

You know, what bands like a... guys like me or our band are looking to you guys like damn okay there's still something here it's still growing it's still you know we're all trying to make a career out of this thing you know so it's been really special to see where your band has gone thank you and it's still going yeah you know it's hard to hear these words because it's so like it's weird huh yeah it's crazy because it's you say this you know but like seriously but i i mean i appreciate it from the bottom my heart is yeah fucking awesome yeah i'm on to call you

you guys my friends. Yeah. You know? And one day, I know it's not going to happen soon, but we will do a show or a tour together. Yeah. I get it. You're yeah. Because I'm not sure you guys know, but SS is coming back.

Sick. You're sick? Yeah. I'm back. Yeah. The heart's back. The focus is back. Yeah.

And now I'm trying to kill you guys now. Yeah. I really want that. Yeah. For sure. I will. For serious. Yeah.

Anyway, shit. Tomorrow night. You're playing our hometown. You're playing Riverside. You're playing Riverside. That's our hometown. But you guys aren't there, right? Because I bombarded Eddie to come down and he's giving me some bad excuses.

Like he's elsewhere, busy, doing shit. Oh, wait. Well, okay, so the dates are here. Let's see. Yeah, Riverside. Yeah, up in the bay. I'm not sure how close it is to the bay. It seems close, but it might not be.

What, Santa Cruz? Yeah. You had tsunami on, right? Yeah, they're awesome. Yeah, I think they're from around there, right? Benny and all that. I want to start doing what you guys are doing. Just like that, this regional.

Right. It's like, because my back, dude, it's fucked up. That's correct. You're back? Did you say, is you fucked up?

It's because of a fucking bandwagon, dude. That's it. You added this in. This is for the lawsuit. I get what you're doing, dude. Oh, it is.

Yeah. I'm going to put it on video. Well, real quick, where can people find you guys? Huh? Where can people find you guys? IG, Facebook.

Instagram. I mean, your Instagram. Alex Terrible, Slot to Prevail, official, Alex Terrible, official. Yeah, YouTube channel. Alex Terrible, YouTube channel. We have Facebook, everything, dude. Hopefully you won't need to find us.

We'll come find you. Perfect. We will. We'll go after you. All right. Love you guys, man. I didn't want. Thank you so much.

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