Garza Podcast - 106 - TO THE GRAVE: Veganism, Australia Deathcore & Hunting Issues

Episode Date: November 27, 2023

Garza sits down in-person with Sydney, Australia deathcore band TO THE GRAVE. https://www.linktr.ee/tothegraveau SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! TO THE GRAVE is: Dane Evans - Vocals Jack Simioni - Guitar Matt Clarke - Bass Simon O'Malley - Drums CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Australia Is In the Future 02:48 - Lack of Sleep On Tour 04:33 - Isaac the MVP 08:40 - When the Band Started 11:03 - Dane Inspired by Hip Hop & Gutter Rap 15:34 - Halloween Costumes 18:11 - The Pig Mask 20:28 - Coming From Australia  23:38 - Being Competitive 29:17 - Being Vegan 39:43 - Thoughts On Hunting 44:32 - Nature is Metal 45:37 - Veganism 54:40 - AirBnB Writing Sessions 59:01 - Offcuts (2023 Album) & Acoustic Song, “High-Impact” 1:03:59 - Metal Elitists 1:07:20 - Getting Ear Surgery 1:11:57 - Jay Weinberg / SLIPKNOT Drama

Any of them would just ask. I'm sure this goes for the rest of it. I'm happy to sit there and be like, totally. Here's the steps, dude. It's not hard. It's just hard work. That's good way to put it. It's not hard.

It's just hard work. Damn. You know what needs to be on. Everyone knows what needs to be done. Man, like, and it got me. Thank you. It's the first time in my life I've ever said anything smart.

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And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. Is we going? Dude, are we fucking... Are we live? Is this thing on? We good? Live? Okay.

Sorry. I just ruined my own podcast. Cool. No, kill you. All right. Cool. No, intro's back.

The best of the message. You know? Guys, thank you for being here. Thank you for having it. We appreciate it, man. Appreciate it. Shout out to a Sabian from Alphabet

from Alphabet. He introduced me to your band. Oh, no shit. Yeah, Sabians. Yeah. Love you. Thank you, buddy. Thank you, buddy.

What are you, what are people from Australia drinking because just the shit that's coming out dude poison yeah poison yeah so you need poison to write sick after risk well the the theory is like we're in the future we're 60 hours ahead so we just get all the sick riffs before they make it here that's you you guys get records before us a little bit yeah yeah yeah yeah that's Spotify ticks over like you know the day before this compared to you guys basically like as soon as it hits midnight he in Australia we have it yeah does that work

for, I mean, everything, like podcast and... YouTube? I didn't think about that. It's fucked for us, right? Because our biggest markets are out here, so when we post that something's officially out, everyone in America is going, no, it's not. We can't access it, we can't see it, hear it, like...

A few hours and you should be able to hear it. Well, I mean, that sounds like a benefit. Yeah. Yeah. Not wrong. It's kind of cool. Gets a bit of hype on it before everyone hears it over here. The day the new Cannibal record dropped, I had been in my dad, is being like yo is it sick yeah fucking excellent ben from shadow but yeah i wanted there's a way to

like hack the system where like what we we could be here but we're on australian time interesting r i pay your sleeping schedule yeah oh yeah i like that i barely have a sleep schedule so yeah we all we all we all we all we all barely sleeping dude yeah sleep is not part of the schedule no it's funny that uh playing music is the easy part it's handling everything around it. Oh, dude. Can you handle the lack of sleep and not kill the people around you?

Yeah. Can you do that? I mean... We're still here, so... Step further, man. Like, even just doing merch some nights, like, you get off stage, because we pretty much all do it ourselves,

like ice hops with us as well, but, like, you get off stage some nights, just shattered, but you could play another set, but it's standing there for half an hour and doing merch and all these conversations that are, like, kind of draining, you know what I mean? Yeah.

So, yeah, it's funny that, like, it's not even the show. That's the most exhausting part of it all really. Exactly. Yeah. Especially if you're an introvert, you do have kind of like a source of a battery. Big time. Oh, yeah.

And I try, dude, you try to fucking recharge it or you try to push yourself, but it's just not there sometimes. Yeah, yeah, dude. And then you're back in the van and there's another couple of hours and then you're doing it all over again. And then someone farts is like that sets you off. I fucking hate that battery. Yeah, yeah. What are you mean? Dude, a simple fart will set me off, dude.

Yeah, no. It will set me off. We've got the fart chamber. Like, we've got Simon's room up the back of the RV that we all got on. fart in, Jack continuously breaks that rule and farts everywhere, though. So I break his rule of no socks. Everyone has to wear socks because he hates feet. Hates feet.

Okay. Not allowed at the front of the arpeak. Fuck him. If I walk in and smell a fart, it's bare feet. You cough, my toes, bro. Yeah. What do you want? You smell like he pissed me off, too.

It's the side of him. Anything. Yeah. It just does me wrong. Anything. Because sometimes you had no socks and you're wearing shoes without socks and they're like, oh, it's fucking sucks. Oh, bro, none of our feet are worth looking at after these shows.

It's not like, no. Hammered. Can we do a quick intro? Yeah, sure, I'm Matt. Play bass in the band. Sick. I'm Simon. I play drums. Yeah.

I'm Dane. I sing. I'm Jack. I play guitar. And this is Isaac our driver. Sick. Act, actual sitcom. Cool. You are the first driver to actually be a part of the podcast.

No shit. Cool, man. There you go, man. That's sick as fuck, man. Yeah, like part-time driver, full-time masher. Full-time assassin. Part-time driver. full-time mosh or what does that mean

yeah i think probably i mean most of the bands that are like on the package are driving themselves but most of the time like when bands have drivers you know they're not as involved with like the actual show they're just like sleeping and i try to make an effort for most shows to at least come in mosh a little bit you know

he's helping us out with merge he's the first one to stage drive and mosh and it's like yeah so how is it okay so driving is probably one of the hardest things that how like how do you adjust like your sleep schedule and now you're driving to snow sometimes

and it's fucking 4 a.m. Yeah, so I'm from Ohio, so at least I'm like used to the snow. You know, these boys aren't used to driving in the snow at all, but, yeah, it's terrifying. It's been pretty easy. It's been really easy on this run. We haven't had to do many horrible drives at all.

I think we've got one coming up that's maybe like a 10 hour overnight and then once we get into Canada, I think we have like 22 hours over an off day. That's going to be insane It's going to be Hectic

But yeah The schedule's pretty Schedule's pretty simple It's just You know It's like we'll play the show Drive a couple hours In the night

Find somewhere to crash And then you know Knock out a couple more hours In the morning And you know Get it done Sleepy game Yeah

Ice has been a weapon You know Every day He's the first one up First one Like gets us all going It's great It's like

It sounds like also a friend Yeah Yeah Yeah Which was a last minute thing as well like we weren't even planning to have you on board with this it was a very last minute like yeah switch at the last second yeah we had our driver situation kind of fall apart i was actually just come through clutch so i think i had a three day notice maybe it was that was

it was like a thursday and i got a text and it was like can you be in l-a on sunday to be gone for two months i'm sure you have so fucking loosely i can that was that was another hookup from sabian was like he put us that our driver fell through he put us in touch with Isaac's mate who couldn't do it because he was already out on a run that dude hooked us up with Isaac and here we are he has his shout at Xavier and dude he's he's a great guy he's he has he has his ear to the ground yeah yeah it's cool yeah all those boys have been heaps helpful with like just filling us in and preparing us for being over here and everything for years yeah yeah like they're the best yeah how do you do this thing yeah yeah that's that's been

in their dms for like the last two months before we came over here like what do i need to do with this to go to the u.s how does this work yeah yeah it's been cool you can't be experience and you'll get you'll get a very clear answer yeah yeah yeah yeah saves you a fuck in a time yeah you know and then we get here and realize like so much of it was just like he lied you got to yeah but like we've learned we've learned so much shit since we got here already like it's crazy yeah like you think about Taco Bell We learn about all of it, like, fucking buckies,

they love buckies. Dude, Chipotle. Chipotle's go to all of Chappolay. Yeah, yeah, we're pretty simple,

man, we're, like, we're eating, like, shit for the first few days. Like, when we landed in L.A.

that first day, we were, like, try all these restaurants, and then pretty quickly started buying, like, Walmart freezer food and microwaveables and shit,

just to try to, like, play the long game. Yeah, yeah. But now that we're back in L.A., like, like,

fucking doomies, for sure. Oh yeah. Now you're in like the mecca of like Yeah Vegetarian and vegan food Oh yeah yeah yeah Yeah so not so not the whole band is vegan correct? Uh, whole band yeah

Oh shit okay What's when the band started I couldn't find that 2014 The band start? Yeah, that's a good question So that's depending on what day you ask us You'll get a few answers right like I like to say probably Since birth Like yeah

You can say probably when I joined right Yeah, 15 I think that's fair Okay But before that it was like We were still trying to work out what we were doing Just you know kicking around played a handful of shows here and there Yeah okay, okay, it wasn't as serious until Dane joined

So once you found Dane That's yeah, that's when it got serious Once you find the front man, front woman It's like, okay, you kind of know, this is Yeah This is what we start pushing Yes and no because we immediately broke up after they got me in the band So it could be argued

What happened? Oh we'd like I guess just the Call it a hiatus, right? Like, we played a lot of shows. What were we doing burnout and like... First year of burnout? For the wrong reason.

No, it was like, you know, two years or so of like really pushing hard. And like Australia's so big, man. It's like 12 hour drive between each city to play shows. Not pushing hard properly though, I'd say like. I'm doing all the wrong things. We're grinding out just tours over and over and over. And we just got kind of done with it. say without having like a record to tour off the back of you know what I mean probably killed us so

2016 2017 we kind of kicked it back up because it was like we're just wasted a year sitting on our ass kind of change direction a little musically as well yeah everyone yeah like that seemed to blow up like wastage went gang busters on youtube and then from there it was just yeah it all ended up in for the best like i think that year or whatever break like i definitely got better at what i do and so did all these guys and everyone was just riding, writing, writing more than we ever did when we were an active band. So, yeah, came back with a lot of ammo. Yeah, sorry, go.

You guys went from heavier to heavier. Yeah. Yeah. We changed our direction and it went heavy to heavier. Yeah. That's it. Turned it up. I don't know, man.

I think like, Death Corps especially started with just like throwing two things into a pot that maybe shouldn't really, no one thought should be combined, right, like Death Metal and Hardcore. So, like, sure. We love doing that, just grabbing whatever. of a heavy thing we can and like throwing it in with like, like, rap on this, black metal, black metal rap, you know, and anything. Nothing's outside the realm of like usable. Yeah, and I heard you, Dan, talk about, like, you would study hip-hop artist.

Yeah. And kind of maybe, kind of apply that to what you're doing. Well, yeah, almost subconsciously, I think, like, it wasn't until I saw a Reddit post where, oh, you're on there? Yeah, regrettably. Yeah, I know. Fuck. Read the comments.

Oh, no. You know, you guys are fucked. I'd have big bad. Just drop in every couple of months for a dose of self-harm. Oh yeah, I hate this. But this dude had like broken down a bunch of our singles and how like, no, you guys don't get it. Like there's like a rap flow hidden in here and like these words rhyme here and here. And you don't, you know, you wouldn't get that unless you're like really accustomed to rap.

And things like that. I was like, oh, yeah, true. Someone did a deep dive on your part. Yeah. So we've doubled down on that in working on the new stuff. It's like, man, if people are picking up on those hints, I'm going to try to hide them everywhere. and like yeah yeah like use rap flow and stuff like that yeah whatever I can it's always uh it's it's always a successful copying or uh influence when like you you you you kind of take that thing

and no one knows yeah yeah no one because that that truly shows you put your own twist on it well dude it was um adam from oceano was the first guy like i sent him like a five dollar super chat on a stream on his twitch stream one day and check it out and the first thing he said it really kind of floor me and it was like man this is very like hip-hop influenced and it's miserable summer I was like is it really like but he was like yeah dude like the way you move in the video and then like certain phrasing it's like

oh shit man people who get it really get it straight away like even to the way you're moving yeah I didn't even put that together dude yeah if you look like heaps of those like low shots as well that Elliot got yeah yeah super I'm very gestury with my hands and I don't know that's a rest thing yeah fucking yeah yeah the lines of blur between

that and rap I reckon like so natural for things You do it when you're talking sometimes. Yeah, I know. Yeah, it's sick. Interesting. What are some artists? Damn, that's a good question.

Really like, hmm? Wonderful. Yeah, like, so, yeah, like, I love all kind of, all the spectrum of rap, right? Like, especially Australian hip-hop, I grew up with that a lot, which, like, a lot of people outside of Australia don't really fuck with. It hasn't really, like, even reached outside of Australia, but it's very, I think, unique, different. A lot of it's kind of aggressive. So like we've carried that a little bit into what we do. Like kids in Australia call it gutter rap.

Gutter rap. Got to rap. Okay. Just rap about like. That's something I got to check out. Yeah, yeah. Got a meaning curb. Yeah.

Written down gutter, wrap. I haven't promised you it's any good, but it's like a product of its time and place in Sydney. And I think it's very unique to like Sydney. But yeah, like, I don't know. Outside of that, man, like Bigel, New York, like a lot of that new York, like a lot of that york's seen um i grew up on like studying him specifically because he was the one dude where it was like

in the 90s is he really fucking allowed to say that like no other rap is you're saying shit about like shooting nuns in the street and stuff and it's like oh yeah it's crazy shit so i was like bring a bit of that into deathcore i think i don't know great yeah i mean people forget like people deep down people want to hear like he just is he allowed to say that is you let see that yeah yeah people want that at music i just Just blur the lines a little bit. Yeah, exactly.

I was listening to an icy P last month. I was like, I was like, damn, it just came out like last year. Yeah, I don't think this would come out. Yeah, no. It's canceled straight away. We almost went for Halloween as jugglers.

Same. We were like, it's in the air, dude. Yeah. It's in the air. Did they go in the fridge? Like, it's all here. Yeah. It would have been fucking miserable

in that, like, face paint, though. No, I did it and went to show these guys. And then I just couldn't move. my face man it felt like someone had made like a plaster mold of me yeah yeah yeah i was so hyped to do it and then dame walked in and just looked miserable yeah yeah just saddest and most uncomfortable i've ever seen him i look cool but you did you did and i'm still considering it and then no just talking to it five minutes of space i still did it in in the pit committed man for sure it was it was it was hot, but there was

a second during last tense that and Tyler leaned down and he grabbed my face and he comes back up and like the entire Juggler face-tons like Oh my goodness He guaranteed he loved it though Oh yeah, it was awesome

What'd you end up doing for Halloween Chris? We had a show in Des Moines and we were all Something separate. I was like I was the black plague doctor Oh sick So those look pretty

crazy. They wear like those masks with the long ass plug in nose. Yeah, yeah. I basically look like Chris and Slipknot. That would have been a paint glass to playing dude. Like yeah. Yeah, there we go. The mask fell off like oh shit. So Dan, can you was a juggalo? I forgot that. I forgot that. He was a juggalo. That's great. That's sick. I was like, man, I don't want to

fucking do paint painting your face man. Yeah, it's that's okay. We bought like the cheapest paint from dollar general that we Oh yeah It was Wax and some other shit Yeah Would have been

You see the Alf Wolf Um Sleep token Halloween thing No Yeah Yeah They went as like

Sleep token for Halloween Really? Yeah Super authentic Like I crushed it too It's fucking ridiculous They went hard

It looked great It was fucking sick Damn that's sick Yeah Yeah I feel bad Like if you go for Halloween Like one year I want to kill it

Like you just go Super detail and a hard And That's been like It looks fucking sick sick. Signs of the swarm went as you guys. Oh, did you say that?

Yeah, ridiculous. That was heavy. Oh, wow, they killed it, dude. Yeah, right. That's great. I'm almost mad that we didn't think of that. But like, that's... We would have gotten to the robes and then tried to order the masks and gone, fuck it.

Yeah. So do they sell those now, the sleep token masks? I don't know. Not sure. No idea. I'm willing to bed as like an alley express. Oh, maybe. Sorry, Sabian, if not.

like jkk they actually got them custom made and he's like oh you fucking oh i'll drop my shit my dad fuck cell phones you're blow it are we looking for him now yeah yeah get a set sleep mask can you can you can you buy those you i mean you should i mean that that there'll be people like buy a mask uh people love buying alxes for slaughtered yeah yeah yeah like love buying those kid of darkness well dain's been wearing the pig mask for the start of our set yeah and he had a kid go as him for halloween yeah really yeah Yeah, some, get back in Australia, yeah. Like, just crazy.

I don't know, bought a pig mask from, like, a Halloween store. I got a little apron. And that dress. Dressed the same as Dane. It hasn't sunk in yet. That's fucking crazy. And it's such a sick mask. That is wild, dude.

Tell them about it. I used to dress up as fucking, like, it's Corey for Halloween and shit like that. All the time, right? So that hasn't sunk in yet. Tell me that what? About the mask. Yeah. I have a pig mask that everyone seems really excited about.

We're in the middle of figuring out. out if like that's gonna be a thing that we keep doing not keep the thematics of it all or um I don't know man what I used to just jump up on stage I could wear my shorts I could wear like I can I could breathe you know man I could wear whatever the fuck I wanted nice white shirt now we gotta get out there apron pig mask it's cool as fuck but it was custom made for you it's got like a sigil on the forehead as well like it's it's all over our Instagram this one here buddy of ours Chris back in Australia made it for us and brought it to a show

it is this is what I mean it's the biggest pain of me I'm asked to wear but it's the coolest fucking thing I think I've ever owned yeah and yeah so now I think that mask chose you man you can't like you can't like

sometimes you gotta throw it through your hands up like what does it mean you wait we'll get home it'll be in his closet that's talking to him like the green goblin suit that's what they all say yeah we back on play more shows

damn that's fucking sick yeah that's hard where the uh where it's Where this idea came from or the concept. Oh, so that's what I was going to say. My buddy, Chris in Australia, he runs a company called Blair Meet Co. Blamete Co.

Basically designing props and stuff like that just for anybody. Metal bands were actually the kind of like, you know, we were one of the first that he never actually worked with on a scale like this, except for like a couple of others. But he really liked our music, brought a bunch of the shirts for his clothing line out to a show and just said, hey man, I've made you this as well. gave me that mask. And I was like, this is the coolest thing

anyone's ever given me. So I've just worn it every show since then. It's fucking beat to shit. Like, trying to clean it all out every night. It's on its last legs. But kids like it, man. They're getting it tattooed now. Like, fucking crazy.

People got tattooed? Well, there was some guy the other night that came out to a show with, he bought other tattoo artists to draw on it. And he bought that. And he's like, I only get it tattooed right. Yeah, man. Send it to me.

My goodness. That wouldn't blow my mind. People have gotten my signature tattooed and crazy shit like that. It's wild. Yeah. Stuff that, yeah. I can't imagine what it's like to be a band from Australia and just try to get out there. So just for you guys, you're just doing it.

But for people like around you, it's like, damn, they're fucking real band. Yeah. Holy shit. That's the thing is it like you typically, like we get the whole like what are they put in the water thing from bands from Australia all the time. And it's the truth is just because of the distance is like a huge barrier to make it out. So like the cost involved, like the grind, the fact that there's less Australians in the world than there are Texans. So like there's very minimal. I know that.

Yeah. It's crazy. Like there's so few of us like worldwide. And California could swallow Australia right. Yeah. Yeah. There's like it like there are states in the US that have like greater population than all of continental Australia. So this is the population in Australia as a 2020.

21, 25 million. That's it. California has more. That's ridiculous, right? Yeah. Type of California. Right there. California has almost, well, one and a half, nearly double?

Yeah. Almost double California. Yeah. We have 39 million people, and Australia has 25. I didn't know that. But how many Californians could you fit inside the landmass of Australia? That's a big gap, dude. The landmass of Australia is almost the width of the U.S.

And, like, you've got, four cities to play. Perth is on the other side. It gets less attention because it's so far away. We've never been to Perth. Yeah. It's such a small market. So to break out of that, it's like, it's a, yeah, like, Alpha Wolf and like Make Them Suffolk, like Parkway, you know, all these Australian bands, there's not many, but like, it's really difficult. So like, yeah, that's why we're so excited to be here. We pinch ourselves waking up here every day, dude, like, yeah, it's crazy. And the thing is, like, with it being so far away, so expensive to get out of there, you guys have this impression of like what's in the water over there yeah it's the

competition yeah dude healthy competition yeah you know you want to get out of there you want people to hear about you gotta be good yeah totally yeah yeah what kind of competition is it is is it is it like fuck that bad fuck these guys we're we're everyone's fucking dead we're or or is it like hey we're all friends this this fucking help each other out at this point it's like super friendly like okay like the bands that it like we were just saying like Sabian and Scotty have been so helpful with helping us like That's cool man Just feeding us info on what we need to do

Good to hear like how to organise everything over here Yeah so like the bands that we've all come up with A bunch of them happen to be pretty successful So yeah And like everyone's just stoked for everyone else at this point Like five or ten years ago it might have been a bit more sort of like I think Sab said it when he was on here or another podcast And he was talking about tall poppy syndrome

And that's so much less of a thing now Like it's like like like Maddie said like they they were instrumental into like basically prepping us for this and getting us ready and what to expect and helping us out and like I think it's kind of the same like now basically all over like everyone wants to see everyone succeed. It's really cool. So it's more like friendly friends helping each other out. Yeah. Definitely like Simon said it used to be different like I remember the first time I ever went interstate with this band and then would like would talk about how much I love bands from this area. you know and they'd all be like oh yeah no fuck that guy we don't like that guy yeah oh wow that was my first like big exposure to it but that's that sort of attitude is like that's the people that aren't

going to make it yeah like the people that are trying to cut each other's bands down sure trying to make sure people don't get opportunities like yeah it's just lame it is there's no reason to do that shit there's enough there's enough kids that listen to every band in a genre yeah that like you know they're not just our fans they're fans of music so yeah yeah There's no reason to try and cut anyone else down or hold anyone else back. There's plenty of room. Yeah, exactly. There's room for everybody, dude.

Yeah. Because we're, uh, suicide sounds, we're very competitive. I'm a very competitive territorial person. But back then, it was like, you know, when you're 18, it was different. Yeah, fuck those guys. Yeah, it was like, fuck that band. Why fuck? But it was like a, I don't know if it, it wasn't shit talking.

It was, it was a very slip under. approach like you can kill all you guys yeah you know it's like a very like us against them kind of thing yeah it was like yeah was like fuck everyone we kill everyone but then it was rooted in scarcity and insecurity so once other bands would come up you will get jealous i would get jealous you know fuck that band but then you get older than you realize oh wait it's because you're insecure is because other bands are pushing you to become better it's why you're actually insecure at being a little bitch yeah yeah it's it to me a long time now i'm i'm kind of back to that but with the abundant mindset

like I go on tour of bands I'm gonna kill you guys but if you need anything like I'll help you guys out to be bigger than us yeah yeah yeah it's like it's like it's the abundant mindset as opposed to a scarcity little bitch mindset

you know well I mean we're kind of the same and it's like you know we're happy to help anyone in front these guys off stage but for that half hour or hour that we've got you it's like we're killing all of you yeah yeah yeah I love that and then we're back to hey man what do you need yeah exactly it's that's I think that's the way it should be.

Before the show last night, I was like pacing backstage. Before, like, with last 10 going, which is like, so sick playing right after them because I get to hear their whole set, which is such a G-up. So, like, I'm ready to kill after, like, half an hour

of hearing Tyler yell at everybody. Turn someone into a fucking example. It's a brain in a mashed potato or something. He's got the best pickles. So it's just the perfect, like, pre-show ritual walk back and forth backstage and then go out there yeah yeah that's that's great

and pushes everybody you know because when you think about what you all you guys have been through it's taking you so much and so many sacrifices to be there for that 30 minutes yeah you know it's funny when like you have time to like reflect damn everything we fucking sacrifice everything to be out here everything. It's time to fucking throw down. That's it, man.

We've left so much at home, so far away that our lives continue while we're set over here playing rock star, right? So, for that half an hour, we're going to play it fucking crazy. You know what I mean? And then just forget, like, I frequently

forget that, like, not intentionally, there's, like, other bands on the bill, right? We'll just try to, like, fucking break the venue. And, like, shit, there's three more bands to play after. Sorry, we'll... Just tunnel vision. Yeah.

It's our show for that half an hour. Yeah. That's where the competitiveness, I guess, comes out. Yeah. We own this half an hour and then... Make the other band sweat. Yeah, yeah. You guys have got half an hour to do the same thing, right?

40 minutes. Yeah. When I have noticed... Because, you know, obviously I live here, so I do hear that a lot more like the... Like the... Like, someone shit talking. Like, oh, interesting.

Yeah. But I notice it does come from people that aren't we want to take the next step yeah yeah because as we're like we're like oh okay whatever there a band gets bigger or small like we just we just don't care yeah you know because we know like oh but you are who you are you know we are we are who we are and we don't get to where we want it to be it's because it's our fucking fault well suicide's a good example man you guys like funded your first euro tour yourself right like yeah so you can imagine doing that and then let's say a competitive band just gets that off like

gets a bunch of it paid for you're like fuck man like yeah but you know you just play the long game you don't focus on that you focus on you and your brand and you get there like yeah i mean i think what you're saying is like same thing in australia people just focus on why isn't my band there why why i've worked this hard why why is he there and not me and it's like sure just focus you'll get that totally and if if any of those bands instead of being like umnoxious and like bitter if any of them would just ask, I'm, you tell them. I'm sure this goes for the rest of the guys.

Like, I'm happy to sit there and be like, here's the steps, dude. It's not hard. It's just hard work. Yeah. That's a good way to put it. It's not hard. It's just hard work.

Yeah. You know what needs to be on. Everyone knows what needs to be done, man. Yeah. That one kind of got me. Thank you. It's the first time in my life I've ever said anything smart. So I'm glad the cameras are all.

I'm glad we got it on camera. Oh, shit. Congratulations. Thank you. Oh, my goodness, dude. Okay, so who approached this thing, the band as like, okay, like, we're, we're going to be vegan? Who, like, who approached that? Yeah, well, I guess that's me in a way, but I guess, like, I never did that.

It was more of a, like, it became the basis of our lyrics and how, like, which then became the basis of our, like, cover art and then, you know, merch and all that stuff kind of followed from there. but it was more of a, I guess more of something that I just wanted to write about because I'm passionate about it, me personally, right? And I think it comes out really well in heavy lyrics. I think the association and the big fuss around the message comes from, like, the fans and them being really stoked on it, you know what I mean?

Like, I've never been all that outward with, like, the, like, I've never put vegan in the band's bio or anything like that, right? Because it's just everything can be pretty, easily. Yeah, yeah. That's what the comment sections for. Exactly. That's what, like, everybody else seems to make up their mind about that.

Okay. But it was, like, to give you a time on it, it was probably right after we came back. So that first EP, no lives matter. I'm sure you could tell if anyone's checked it out. He's like, I'm singing about nothing. I'm singing about, like, old death core shit, you know, killing people, monsters attacking a city, crap, right? And then we kind of went on hiatus.

had my little vegan awakening and by the time the band came back that was pretty much instilled yeah what was the what was the awakening good question man I um

because it tends like from there seems to be like a some people have moments that they see something or hear something and kind of like this is definitely yeah I had so went to the grave split I joined another band

called Scourge just in Melbourne still my boys and we'd go out to eat all the time when I was recording this EP eat it like Burger King Hungry Jacks or whatever they'd get the like vegan burger I wouldn't

but I'd talk to them all day and night about how I love dogs I love I love animals you know I just want to fucking run this sanctuary and they're like cool man like

the first time anybody ever said to me like you don't think those two things like like you know contradict each other like I was like fuck true

and how I think about that yeah Then the next time it was actually a truck carrying a bunch of pigs on the highway, I'd seen it crashed on the news. This is a very common story. You'll hear a lot of people say this actually, but see this on the news and go, like, that's fucking horrific. There's, yeah, imagine that crashing. All these pigs, what they'll do, they'll bring out a big blue tarp and just shoot them on the side of the road.

Oh, fuck. Or they'll pop them back into and the next truck take them to slaughter, right? So I'd seen that on the news and gone, holy fuck, that's insane. Look at this, yeah, pig trying to jump out. Insane, the only reason they're there, they're in that truck, they're on the way to the slaughterhouse is so I can eat them. And that never sat right with me. That fucked me up.

So it was like, dude, I... Jesus. Yeah, I can't, I can't in good faith say that I disagree with animal cruelty if the only reason they're there is because I'm paying for them to be there, you know what I mean? So that was a big one for me, man. I couldn't wrestle with that enough. Like it was just go vegan, dude. Like there's a clear answer here.

So, and then it became, all right, death call, death metal, all this shit. Like, it's an important vehicle. Music's an important vehicle for change, right? But the most disgusting things, I think, that we can write about, the most horrifying things are 20 minutes out there, 20 minutes over there. We get in a car, we can go and see them. and it's not bullshit. Yeah.

It's there, right? So that was it, man. It was a pretty hard instant thing, but I think the, yeah, over years it grew into this thing that it kind of became outside of the band, right? You know what I mean? Yeah. Isn't that trip when, like, you, like, you step away from the band and you see something, and involves pigs, quite literally, actually, and then someone hands you a pig mask?

Yeah. It's kind of like, because that's, like, that's, like, you. So weird how it chooses you. Chris, that's like... That's so bizarre. Levels to that, right? Yeah, you're right. Like I said to the boys.

The first time anyone's pointed out, like, those... Yeah. But we were talking about this the other day and how it's like, people always asked me like, dude, it must be so hard to breathe in that thing. And it's like, it fucking is. I just think about this. And it's like, well, I get up there for a reason.

I can't breathe up there for a reason. But like, imagine that. Imagine if that was me. Like, I've got it pretty good comparatively. So, yeah, you're right, man, the mask kind of chose me. Hey, like, funny how that happens. And now, and now you guys are in Southern California hanging out. Insanity, dude.

Insane. It sounds cheesy, but yeah, music will, we'll choose you. Some kind of calling will choose you. You know, we don't fucking choose it. No, totally. My happen to hear something or see something, then boom. You're just that for life. It was bludging to death for me, dude.

Oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. What happened there? I heard, so I got to high school, and the heaviest thing I'd listen to was what, like, slip-knob, because my sister liked it. And the emo kids at school were like, dude, check this out. And it was fucking...

The emo kid from school. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And shout out, emo kids. Shout out, emo kids. What's up, dude? It's a demo for a bludgeon to death with the, like, family guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, amazing shit. And then, I think within six months, I don't remember the timeline of anything, but I'd just, I'd stumbled across the video.

And that was the moment. It was like, like, like, you guys kind of look like me. You know what I'm like a blonde hair, blue eyes. I never had like like, like, I don't know. The long hair or anything. Yeah, yeah, like like Mitch is up there. He's, I don't know, it looks normal, right? Like, didn't look like a big, beefy metal dude. So relatable. This video, man. Yeah. That is it. I never, no one's ever said about Mitchie before. Yeah. He's not like something like metal guy.

It's just a dude. But his presence, though. Interesting. That was it. That was the thing I was like, if I don't do that. that my whole life is for nothing like I have to do that that's the thing bludgeon to death that was a video yeah damn crazy dude that's fucking wild man I just telling me dude you're telling me holy shit now and now we're hanging out and we're hanging out and we're hanging out and the thing that's cool with like the the message and

this thing of like well what was the moment that like sort of decided that we were going to be involved in this is like now we've got kids coming up to us at the merch table after the show is going this is the first deathcore band I've ever seen or you guys are the first band with a message that that I've connected to you know heaps of kids come up and they say like you're the reason why I've stopped eating me you're the reason why I've gone vegan and it's fucking cool like it's cool when people that's wild like the band like when someone comes up and says hey man I love your band that's cool but when someone comes up and says I stopped eating meat because

of you guys that's even better or like I run a sanction for farmed animals all we get are these like rescues are gonna help them and like your music keeps me fucking saying it makes me realize i'm not the only one this angry this frustrated this upset about it you know what i mean and that's pretty those are the ones that get me where people like i stopped like considering you know what i mean awful things because of the state of the world when i listen to you guys it's like that's if nobody moshed to our music ever but one kid was like was able to keep going and you know like feel a little bit better about living, that's fucking cool.

That's very wild. Yeah. Crazy, dude. How long have you guys been vegan? I've been vegan for about almost four years now? Four years? Okay. Yeah, it's like

like me. Like me? Seven years? I think seven, eight years. I'm like I keep forgetting, man. I have other people remind me and it's like, no, no, you started arguing with me this time. Like 2017.

Oh, right. Oh yeah. You were addicted me this day. See it. Yeah. And that's when it started. And if you know Dane, that's such a good, like, um, like signpost of like, oh, that's, you know, that's the moment Dane was into something because that's when he argued with you

about it. Yeah. Like, I don't fucking know. That's great. For me, it's like, I don't know. I don't really. It's hard to pinpoint when it was because I haven't eaten meat for like 15 years or something at this point.

So, and it was, everything else was just such a gradual. change yeah yeah man like it's a i don't know and then like other other people have been in the band it's like you know and and with simon it's so like you know a gradual process of like you know for some of them it started as like hey can you not fucking eat that around us and then yeah yeah oh yeah through to like oh yeah like that you know i'm on board with this now so yeah it's you know sometimes the message is to live it in a friendly way and other times it's like you get told yeah yeah totally yeah definitely it's funny how the uh like the vegetarian at least thing keeps popping into my brain literally like like the past like two years just keeps like pop really yeah it's like fuck i don't know if i i

don't think i could go a big in but the vegetarian thing really just pops in there okay so you're the perfect fucking band to talk about this with yes so uh Okay, so the thought that pops in my head also what I see popping other people's brains is that, okay, I mean, I'll step, step away from meat, let's say like McDonald's, et cetera, or even simple as a hamburger pizza. But there's another side was like, well, I don't want to stop eating meat. I just don't like the meat processing and the cruelty. So maybe if I become a hunter, maybe at that point I will. return to eating meat. So as a big in band,

what's your take on hunting in general? I think, like, a couple of things. So, like, the core message, I think that, like, if there is a core message with the band, it's that, like, exploiting animals when we don't need to is completely unnecessary and fucked, right? Like, that's morally unacceptable to me. So I think, A, if you're in a position

where you don't need to do that, which many of us are, especially if we're out here in Cali, right? like an abundance like a city of abundance probably don't need to be out there shooting families of animals you know what I mean the other thing I'd say is like that that's all well and good but there's 8 billion people we can't have them all out there with rifles hunting that you know what I mean we have to figure out a better food system that's going to feed everybody right now we grow enough food to feed 12 billion people but we feed it all to six seven billion cows and there's still one billion people starving here

how does that add up whatsoever, right? Like, yeah. So, I don't know, I think there's, like, there's solutions right in front of this. I think, um, I think if, if he told anybody else,

like, yeah, we're currently growing enough food to feed everybody on the planet, but there's one seventh of the people starving. And it'd be like, what the fuck is going? Where's all that food going? Yeah.

Yeah. And I think for me, it's like, the, whenever anyone asks me about the, the veganism or not eating meat, it's like, man, we just don't have to anymore. we're at a point where like there there is a solution that doesn't involve

meat there's so many other things you can eat if you want to eat without the cruelty there's vegan places like you know what I mean yeah yeah there's all these meat substitutes there's so much like fresh stuff you can eat that's substitutes if you're you know looking to get the same amount of protein and to me it's just like you just don't have to not processed

like tempay what fucking tempe tofu beans fucking mushroom room like before you get into the like beyond burgers and stuff like that so that's what i'd say man i'd say hunting unnecessary but then you also it's not going to be sustainable for everybody to get to adopt that lifestyle so you could have a lot of people that are still like yeah i don't i don't want the cruelty either but i can't go hunting because everybody's fucking hunting yeah like if you live in a city you're not going to you can't go hunting yeah and so just go to the local shops

and just buy instead of that buy that no hunting where we are yeah yeah that's my thoughts we're all city boys

so yeah so maybe would it be like a a life balance so you want to go vegan it'll be helpful if someone wants

to go hunting kind of find that balance maybe well it's yeah like I'd say if you want to go hunting I don't know then it's tough

it's tough because what also a very common thing is more common is humans are very hypocritical creatures. So you'll see someone post that they went on a hunt and then someone that eats McDonald's say,

fuck you, you fucking kill animals, but they're fucking... All the time. But they're going to store and buying the fucking wrapped. Oh, for sure. I agree. Very, very common. If you're going to...

If you're going to eat animals, you should be able to, like, like, fuck me. I talk to a lot of people that eat animals defend it, but are so far removed from the process where at least, like, I don't know, hunters, like, I don't agree with it.

I don't think it's justified. But, hey, man, you've shoved the knife in yourself. You've heard that animal scream. You've had the blood on you. Like, that's, if you've been through all that and you still want to keep doing it, it is what it is. It's tough. You have the, you have the scene where, okay, like, this animal, let's say, pig, cow, obviously.

They were treated, like, cruel to their whole life. Had a shitty fucking life. And then you're, they're basically sent to, slaughtered. Then you have the other side where's like, okay, this animal, uh, cow pig has lived their full life, had a healthy, happy, hung out with their family and then they get hunted. Do you kill the sad animals or the happy animals? Mm-hmm.

Yeah. Which one do you know what I mean? Like, is one so much better than the other? Like, it's, it's tough. It's tough, dude. Yeah. It's a, it's a weird line. So you've heard the terms like free range and things like that, like free range.

You could have free range cows, short, happy cows, until you want to look into free range. But there's no free range, abattoir. They all go to the same factory. They get the same knife. They get the same underpaid worker. So there's no kind way to kill, I think. Yes. It's so tough, dude.

Actually, have you seen that Instagram, Nature is Metal? Yeah, yeah. They post us all the time. like random mountain scapes with like breakdowns over it it's so good test control over some like Bob Ross painting I love the like someone had that thought one day and went like I gotta make money off this like this is brilliant I'm surprised no one has reported the account

there's some brutal shit on there dude like it's just fucking brutal man I think I think because it's you know nature documentary it probably falls under a different type of rule. Yeah. Yeah, I mean. Two fucking deer's brawling right now.

Yeah, Jesus Christ. Yeah, I fucked up. I saw one and it was just a praying mantis just fucking eating the head of like another. These are brutal. Fucked. They'll just fucking corner, like a beer or something that's eat his fucking face off like this.

Just chewing, chewing face off. Like, fuck, dude. It's like, oh my God, dude. Yeah. Oh, my God. Well, I really appreciate you guys. having to at least like to talk dude any time man I like

because most people are I feel like most humans are like myself or we're just kind of in the middle we don't know where to go what's right what's wrong what information should we start what information is right yeah what is morally right what is spiritually right it's this fucking dude there's so many things

it's tough dude yeah like and you're just trying to make the right decision there's like people telling you one thing you've got advertising telling you another thing I know it's crazy. So many influences doing the whole, like, you know, carnivore diet and all that shit. Yeah, yeah. The whole liver king hunting phase is blown up and it's like turns out the dudes on $30,000 worth of steroids a month or something.

Are we talking about the same guy, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm on on steroids. Oh, wait. Yeah. It's like, whoops. That's the thing, man. Most people, most people love animals and they've never had that conversation, right?

So like, well, I'm happy to do it with them all time. Yeah. And the other thing that, like, that's the other side of it. Yeah, there's the moral side. But like the other conversation I'm always willing to have is like, dude, here's some stuff to eat. Like, it's good. It tastes great. You won't miss it.

And once you start, like, not eating certain things, the rest of it kind of falls away too. Like, I stopped eating meat. Dairy quickly followed because it. tastes fucked once you start eliminating one of these things like the the

animal taste to it like I stopped drinking milk almost immediately because I was like oh this tastes like piss yeah see I disagree right like I have people come up to me

all the time and ask me for recipes and it's like I can give you a recipe but until you have the motivation to like well I don't know like let's say these I don't know this icing is three

as extra than the non-vegan one. Like until you have that motivation to go and buy this one, you're going to just go, oh, I'll just get that one. Yeah, totally. But I guess what I'm saying is like, once you've wrestled with the ethical choice, and for everyone out there that's like coming up to talk to the band, like, stop asking Dan for recipes.

He doesn't know how to cook. Come and talk to me. I will send you everything you need. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that, I mean, I think that ties a loving with what Matt was even saying about music, you know, where it's like, it's not hard. It's just hard work.

And, you know, it's just like, if it, if it is something that, like, people just want the quick solution. So, you know, they want recipes from Dane or whatever. But it's, like, all the resources are there to kind of, you know, find your own way and be able to be able to provide that for yourself. It's just, yeah, Google exists. Dude, the first day I watched Earthlings, I ate ice cubes for dinner. Because I was like, I know it's vegan. Yeah. like the ingredients list is that long yeah i don't know i just i was that i didn't want to fucking touch anything that was traumatized by it bro so i just yeah bread rolls ice cubes

well you know it's even uh arguably even a bigger problem and then then we'll close the subject and go and start talking music again but what's uh what's even more fucked up especially in this country which i'm sure you you've seen like this like there's this over consumption of food in general like at restaurants it's the same at home they fucking they give you this mashup massive portions and like you can't eat all of it and then and then you buy it and then you trash it it's like and then we try you try to take yourself out of it wait i'm just one fucking person out of how many billion people yeah yeah a lot of people are throwing away just perfectly good food a small drink here is a large back home yeah it's fucking crazy yeah insane i've i've

stopped like if we go somewhere to eat i don't buy food i just wait for a day and to eat half of his and then hand the rest to me. No, they do. It's crazy. Yeah. Me and Jack are like sitting there. Is he done yet? Can we eat now?

Free food. It always makes you feel like shit. Like, man, I can't throw away this food. I have to eat it. Yeah. It feels so weird throwing away food that's people fucking starving and shit. And that's back to the thing Dane was saying about like, we grow all these crops and then feed them to animals when we could just be feeding

people with those. Sure. Yeah. That's fucking, yeah, crazy. And then the last of the. it is you know when you uh just like similar to like the vegan stuff it's like when you feel something you can't unfeet when you see it something you can't unsee it yeah or it's we someone gives you info i remember i went on a deep dive on just water and how there's there

there's other tribes and uh and cities and countries that like have water shortage and not no water and then again it's now it's in my head forever and then now every every restaurant or water bottle i see it's like i had to finish i had to finish all this fucking water. Then you go to a restaurant and see all your homies, this massive things of water. And it tastes fucking water. It says, all right, let's go, guys. I look back at the table, there's

so much water is wasted. And there's one, only one fucking table. It'd be funny when we're fighting wars over water. Thinking about, like, we just threw it away. We just threw it away. We didn't fucking throw it away. Dude, Robin Williams had a great bit in one of his fucking comedy specials and he's like, you kids want water. He's got like a trench coat and shit.

Do you ever have that, do you ever had that same thought in the shower? You're like, this water's just fucking running off me. Same, same, same, same, same shit. Yeah. Wow. I know someone that showers with a bucket underneath them to,

like to save the water. And sometimes like, it's a morning, so you're a little bit brain, you're kind of groggy, but sometimes, most of the time I'll go into shower, okay, I'll make this shit quick.

Yeah, water's just going down and drain. I'll pop in, pop out. Yeah. One's fall in the shower and break, my arm, you know? It's just like, you try to fucking, try to not,

try to not, try to noise the water, dude. The starving kids, man. I'm gonna yeah a bath is like the craziest first world luxury it's so strange to think about dude it's insane you waste more water in a bath or a shower you reckon uh I'd say a she I don't know you probably fill a bath in your average shower time but if you take long showers you're probably wasting more yeah so I'd say oh but then a bath is just pissed soup so like you just fucking you're just marinating in your own piss soup too yeah yeah anyway it's a water

Yeah. Nothing wrong fast. Actually, let's, let's go ahead. Just, just one more thing while we're on the, like,

you're on top of this. While we're on the like, if you, once you see something, you can't unsee it. Yeah. Just to connect that to the vegan thing. Like,

if there are people who are on the fence about any of that, just watch Dominion. Yeah. And it will solidify your views. Like if you've got the thought in the back of your head, watch Dominion, it lays out all the whole,

horrible shit we're doing animals. Yeah, not even, so, if I may. Dominion's a, it's a two-hour documentary made in Australia between the years of 2015 and 17, all made by undercover activists and their footage that they've captured

in Australian farms, slaughterhouses. Very recent footage, not just two-hour torture porn thing. This is two hours of informative. It runs you through how we do, what we do, why we do what we do. for example like you ever seen little chickens get blended up in a big blender and you're like well that's crazy that's for chicken nuggets no that's a waste product because they're born males in

the egg industry males won't lay eggs so we just blend them alive um if you ever google a macerator it's fucking horrific yeah but uh my goodness so there you go so the males and the females are separated the males go into a big blender and for years the industry was saying that this was for chicken nuggets but they were were bullshitting everybody that goes into a bin if they don't have a big blender they go into garbage bags and they can just tie him shut and suffocate them like that 20 minutes from my house is one of these in operation all day every day and all of us we'd have one of these but we all love animals right and if this was happening in the street we'd be out there with you know we would

not let this happen if it was cats or dogs it'd be you know it wouldn't last very long It's so weird what the human mind does. You'll like accept some things and not completely not accept this other thing, be a hypocrite about this. It's so weird how the mind would just block certain things. It makes no logical sense at all. If we know about this, right? None of us know about this. If we did, we'd be fucking, like the second I found out about this, I was like, nobody told me about it.

If I had to know it, yeah, anyway. So I think that's just, it's a, there's that big divide of a lot of people not knowing once they do. like you said now you know yeah you got the duty to act right like yeah my goodness dude crazy shit

we can talk about music if you like yeah so how was the air Airbnb stay Airbnb yeah yeah we're rolling in one yeah yeah yeah we've we got the RV okay and it's our steed

no I heard that you guys you locked out an air Airbnb for like a while and wrote oh oh when we were recording yeah that was I'm like, did that I recently wrong? So,

Jack and I like shacked up together for two weeks to track all the guitars for the album. Sick. Yeah, because it was like Jack's from Melbourne, I'm in Sydney. It made more sense to separate ourselves from, you know, either of our home lives

and just, yeah. That's actually cool. We just lived together for two weeks and just recorded guitars. It's cool. It's too much. Yeah, it was. Yeah.

Looks like you didn't have a good time. No, it was good. How many songs did we do? 15 in 10 days? 8 days. No, 10. 10, yeah. Yeah. 10 in 8 days?

Whoa. 15 in 10 days. I remember a night where I went off to work to go and like try to help with the process and these guys had essentially just been like locked in this room all day, kind of out like six songs. And I just kind of like, you know,

was going to ruin. the process if I step in the way. I'm just gonna sit outside and let you go. Also Dan turned up at like right when we were finishing and was like oh let's keep going. No, no, brother. Yeah, yeah, look this shit like. Yeah, there it is.

That's sick man. Yeah. I thought when we spent the band money on an Airbnb I was like, oh beautiful, I can't wait. I'll get to go kick my legs back. I go up and it's this shit hole. With throwing their shit everywhere. It wasn't too bad.

It was all of my gear. moved in all the guitar pedals we can find yeah yeah a bunch of guitars that was fun just fucking hanging out vibing yeah yeah but like 10 hour days all day every day until it was done it's kind of like how we wrote it right on yeah same thing with zoom yeah yeah it's half of half of the three quarters of it was like written through covid so it was yeah mostly over like video call really and just sending files back and forth yeah holy shit yeah towards the end of covid just yeah what we could sit on zoom and fucking um That was stressful.

Yeah, because you really weren't allowed to even drive around. No, no. You know, there was no way we could meet up because Jack's at a different city. So, like, we were forced to. Lockdowns were pretty hectic in Australia. That was brutal. Yeah, at the peak of them, it was kind of like, if you were driving around or you were seen like out in public, like cops would stop you and be like,

what are you doing? Where are you going? You shouldn't be here. Go home now or we'll find you. Yeah, so. Yeah, no matter where you were. Like, I had to, just to go get weed one day. Of course.

I had to, yeah. On the other side of Sydney, mind you, I had to wear, like, my dad's, my dad worked, like, is like a mechanic. I had to wear his high-vis thing. His boss had wrote him a note. So you took that? So he could go to work. I took that.

And an idea of his. So I was just my dad for, like, nobody pulled me over, but I was like, I'm going to go to, I'm going to jail. Like, this is ridiculous. No one, this is not going to fly, you know? Sorry, Dad. How did I ever hear that story? That's howctic.

So that, yeah, the writing process was pretty much over Zoom and then as soon as we could like be together in the room. We did the A, B, and B and B thing. And yeah. And then drums were last. Dude, it sounds like a long process. I mean, the record came out like recently in 2023.

Yeah. Yeah. The record's cut. Yeah. Yeah. So like we've, I guess saying it like it was birthed in COVID was really like bits and pieces of a few ideas.

And we had the EP as well that came out. A couple months ago, that was also like, I think we did 20 songs in that time and then worked on them over the next six months to a year. Yeah, so the songs that are on the AP are the ones that we sort of cut from the album and then reworked them a bit after the album was out. Nice. I know it seems like the album's like years old. We just like to stay that, stay far ahead if we can, you know. The concept of off cuts is really cool like that. Do you get any, like, what was the reaction, like, that, like, acoustic song?

Crazy. Yeah. People seem to really like it. Especially with so little info about it and, like, you know, we didn't really hype it. Nobody really used to tell anyone. Yeah, yeah. Boom. Yeah, people have, especially in America, like, the odd kid will come up and be like, that song is the, like, is the one.

Like, I remember some dude saying he works at a construction site, he's got all of our music saved. And everybody there's, like, a metal head. And he, like, pissed off to go get up. lunch one day and the acoustic came on, came back and everyone's like, what the fuck was that? I said, no, that was the same band. It creates funny moments, I think.

But that's the thing. We love doing shit like that, man. Well, this, like, these last two releases have been, like, the most varied, I think we've ever done. Like, we threw the most shit into the pot this time and just, that's what came out. So, yeah. Tried a bunch of different shit.

Gonna go for some remixes soon. Should be cool. Yeah. Remixes? Yeah. That'd be cool. Nice. We played around with the idea. Yeah.

We all, like, too many, like, different styles of music to, like, stick to one. thing, you know what I mean? I think the acoustic thing, when we realized that was kind of cool, we were like, fuck, all right, let's maybe we can do some at shows, maybe we can do, like, just just trying to, like, spit

all future ideas and stuff like that. That's pretty fucking sick, dude. Who knows, man? Like, I haven't seen many death call bands do that kind of shit, so. No. That's fun just to, like, see what we can get away with, almost. Yeah. Because we're, like... Push the line a little bit.

Yeah. All wacky ideas are of like just between the four of us we don't really tell anyone outside of the band until it's done nice yeah so even management a label what the fuck is yeah yeah management in the label like they got the record when it was done and with very little like pre-roll we have with very little like you know demos or anything at that point you know no work in progress versions it's just like here it's ready yeah yeah super cool yeah yeah yeah I guess see what happens, right? Yeah, that's it, man.

People seem to like it. It goes back to the thing I said at the start. When I first heard death core, I was like, oh, that's not meant to be a thing. Surely not. Hardcore breakdowns and blast bits. And then, like, yeah, like. Mosh rips and blast bits. Bands have done that so often over the years.

Like, you had, like, alien core come up. That was a thing. It was like, excuse me? You know, like rings of Saturn and shit like that. Alien core? Yeah, dude. Never heard that in my life. Really?

Buried alive as well, I guess, a little bit. Faceless. I think, like, there was a wave, right? It just kids just. associating certain sounds with certain... Yeah, look this. Alien core? It's just sci-fi.

I feel like the cover art got away from the sound of it. There was a sound, right? Yeah. It's kind of like cytotoxin with that whole like radiation metal thing. Radiation, which is fucking... Now we're splitting, god damn it.

Cytotoxin's sick, but they don't... When you listen to like that first faceless record, the leads were very alien-y and you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. I forget why I got onto alien core, but like... The point is, right, deathcore shit that shouldn't exist being mashed together right so like we're gonna keep doing that until tell us started you know you put two things together didn't it didn't make sense people thought

you're an idiot yeah now it's like a normal shouldn't work yeah yeah i was crazy it being a normal thing well that's why we're you know putting all this you know acoustic version rap flows like we're trying to find the other things that we can put in there six yeah like i i i Sorry to cut you all. Like, I remember with the suicide silence thing, when I was in high school and, like, the, my mate's dads who were into, like, death metal and shit would be like, that's, that'll never blow up. That, that's bullshit, you know, like, it shouldn't exist. And it's like, fuck, okay. I hear you are.

Like, I remember having big arguments with people about that because it's like, it's death metal, bro. Like, just, it's nothing all that different about it, you know? You got Lorna Shore playing fucking stadiums and shit. It's like, it's come a long way, man. It's come a long way, dude. I think the same shit, man. what we think is weird that bands throw in now will be so normal in 10 years.

Totally, yeah. It's so weird, dude. Yeah. Because, like, even with you guys and, like, kind of effects to Spies, like, all the OGs of, like, deathcore and shit. Everyone hated you.

Yeah, it was like exile back in the day. And, like, now it's, you know, it's legendary. You guys are like the... It's weird. The pillar bands. Yeah. That's fucking crazy, dude.

Yeah. Crazy, man. Yeah, a lot of people don't really know how the fucking genre started. It's pretty. It's pretty nuts, man. It goes back as far as like MySpace and kids' heads and then it's like... J-FAC.

Yeah, yeah. MySpace, J-FAC, and that's pretty much where it ends. I love the Spice icon, but their fucking fans suck. Don't tell me that. They're like one of my favorite fans. No, no, they're awesome. I love them. But, man, they just fucking want to hone in on like...

Yeah. This is what I started. I'm like, you don't... You fucking read for five minutes. God damn. Yeah. But even though the genre is growing, there's still a separation with the death core and a death metal.

I did literally like two weeks ago, I did like a, what would you call it? Like an elitist. Dudes who shower and dudes who don't? Yeah, I did like an elite. I saw the potential. If I do an interview with this guy, it's really going to, people that don't like the ban are going to watch it. And I noticed like, shit, like it's just, it's still so separated. Yeah, yeah.

It's so, like, damn, like, it's a whole group of people that's listening to only death metal. And if it's any change, you're a fucking poser. Yeah. You're just a fucking poser. The thing, the thing that's really interesting back home is most of the bands that have blown up and made it out of Australia are Death Corps bands. That's bizarre. There's all these people back home playing, you know, to 20 people at a pub, like, bitter about, like, well, that's not Death Metal. And why aren't people listening to us?

Funny thing about that, right? Like, a lot of those bands would sound kind of peeling fleshy. Yeah, totally. Look at peeling flesh. Yeah. For example, like, you can sound like whatever you want,

but if you're smart about it, it's good, usually, it's written well, it'll fly. It'll catch. Yeah. It's like, yo, man, throwing a groove, dude. Yeah, play, yeah.

Yeah, straight. Like, you know what? I think I figured it out last week, too. All right. Oh, here we go. This might be the headline. Uh-oh. Uh, I think, uh, I think that,

the elitist that final scene is just pissed because there's no chicks at the shows totally and then they see they go to a death court show and see like there's more than one chick here there's girls here fuck this shit, this is a holder shit dude

yeah yeah yeah folded arms up the back like that's my hot take no you there's probably some truth to that man yeah yeah same with the kids like we got kids coming out to our shows

being like I don't know like they feel safe like actual kids and their parents like come out to their shows and it's like I don't know man yeah maybe death metal just hasn't fostered that like environment like how many how many first shows have we had since we started this tour like there are a bunch of people that came up to the merchandise and we're like yeah this is my first show ever like from like from like seven years old all the way up to like yeah all right

just like nuts it's like Matt was saying man people like people like people could just be into the message and then find out about us be like I don't care what they but yeah I don't really care about the music I want to go and support these guys for the reason like this reason. Boom. Yeah, that happens a lot. It's like they'll fucking,

they'll find you guys, watch it, or first show ever, and then they'll find maybe us. Yeah. They might find cannibal. Yeah. And then it starts just,

Gateway. That's why it blows my mind. When kids are like, this is my first metal concert, it's like, oh, dude. It's crazy. You wait.

Like, wait. Wait. Wait. There's so much more. They're smiling either. You're after watching us. This band's way better in us.

They just keep it. I find it, I find it. And we had like a bunch of, like, we've had like an equal split of like people who are like, yo, we're here just for you, which is sick. And then you've got the other half who are like, I have no idea who you guys are, but that was the fucking sickest show I've ever seen in my life. Nice. Both of those are like equally sick.

That is fucking crazy, dude. Insanity. Yeah. From like a little band from Australia that like first time here, like absolute insanity. That's the coolest fucking reaction. Is your first time here? Yeah. All of our first time.

Never been there before. Oh, yeah. he had the last floor was canceled because he has something wrong with your ear right yeah um your operation they had a big tumor in my left ear it was a tumor too fuck yeah so they had to like it was behind my ear drum um and in the like while i was over in europe basically it had like um they were trying to figure out if they could if it was going to detach itself in order if they could do surgery on one thing and not the other but by the time i got back like it was like dude it's one thing

so they took my ear totally so I can't hear anything in this ear which doesn't make

sense why I've got a headphone on that yeah I do that shit all the time you're talking I'm looking at

wait what are you what are you what the headphones like I was like what the hell's going on right now man it's

it's all it's all a big fucking joke now yeah which it's crazy so that adds

another layer of like I'm I didn't think I'd be here I thought on the plane over here

my other ear would explode I was petrified of it right like so Yeah.

Because it probably puts like a deep subconscious Like what else can go wrong? Dude, right? They tell me like if if I hit my head wrong or whatever It could um It could fuck with my middle ear And um And then

Cause deafness in my other ear Like if I just fall over too hard Jesus Like my middle ear like the perception in that could get all fucked And like Yeah crazy Or like the surgery that I've got to do To just like have a look

Could droop half my face What the fuck? Yeah, dude. And they're like, yeah, also, you know, it was pretty serious the reason why we canceled the tour.

We didn't want. It wasn't just like, Dane had a cold. It was, like, serious shit. Dane has COVID. Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, it was like, not even that. It was like, they took over the year. I did that show with COVID as well, mind you. I played with COVID once.

Yeah. Sucked. Dush. Europe. Terrible. Yeah. Oh. It's fucking terrible,

dude. That just adds to, the fucking pot of sacrifices that your band was taken. I mean it's something to be very very proud of. It's insane that we're here. It's just cool to finally be here, you know, everybody that's been coming up to us

at the, you know, after the shows and be like, oh, we're so glad you here. It's like, dude, I'm glad we're here. Actually, I'm glad to be here. Oh, shit. Yeah, yeah. Literally. Yeah. It's crazy. Yeah. I'm like, look at the shows we get to play. Yeah. Awesome. With car effects. And signs and last 10. It's fucking.

There's no downside. It's a great, it's a great lineup. Yeah, that is. Insanity, dude. That fucking monster mosh, though, like, Oh my God. Oh, yeah. Dude.

Yeah, the crossover. Yeah. Oh, it was a good one. Yeah. We had two, didn't we? Yeah, we did, too. Yeah, we did. And that made the whole thing cooler.

Like, you know, when we got off at the lineup, it was like, oh, yeah, we're definitely going to do that. And then, you know, some things get organized. Like, oh, your tour and the suicide silence tour are getting mashed together for these two shows. Yeah. Someone said it that day, and they're like, screaming internally. Man, that next US offer, like, you know, it's not going to be like suicide silence crossovers. I'm like, oh, yeah.

But it kind of has to be. It's really set the bar for like. Yeah. Yeah, our first American tour was mental, dude. That's badass, man. Yeah. That's cool. I saw you guys in San Antonio.

I didn't know who you guys were. Actually, no, I already heard it from you guys from Sabian, but I didn't do the dive yet. Yeah, the band. I saw you at San Antonio. Who is this? Oh, wait, this is the band that Sabian's talking about. Then we meet the next day. Yeah.

And now, and now we're here. Now we're here. Life is fucking sick, dude. Yeah, it is. Yeah.

Life is cool, man. It is. Especially from our point of view, that three weeks or whatever passed like that, bro. Oh yeah.

Fucking crazy. Insanity. Still nuts the thing has been a month. And like, yeah. It just like doesn't feel like three minutes. It's crazy.

Yeah. It's like, we're about to start this US tour right now. Especially being in L.A., it's like, no, we just kind of did it. We just,

Wait, we were just here. It's crazy, man. It's nice. Any closing thoughts? Man, we like, yeah, I'll just say, like, for our little band from Sydney, like Matt said, we're super stoked to be over here in the first place. If you guys have come out to a show,

we'll never forget it. Like, our first time over here has been fucking mental because of everybody that's come out to these shows. The band's looking after us. Isaac fucking after us. Yes. Chris and the team. Thank you guys for having us here.

We appreciate you having us, man. Anytime, man. Thank you. We live in our dream. I got one more question for you guys. What do you think about the Jane Weinberg thing? It sucks. It sucks.

It's just, like, it's just super bizarre. What? What? You didn't hear this? Oh, man. So, all right, so they put up a post saying, all right, we parted with Jay. And then they took it down. Very quickly after, they had the comments turned off and stuff.

And I was like, oh, that's kind of spicy. I don't know, I woke up and these guys were throwing shit at the front of the van. Yeah. But they took it down, right? Yeah, I think they took, I don't know if it's back up, but like, they put it up, they took it down. And then, yeah, everyone was kind of like, what the fuck just happened? Yeah, then delete pose. Are they serious?

What is, oh, man, and it was like kind of worded in such a weird way as well. Like, yeah. It's like creative things, right? Yeah. But, like, it would be funny of the big joke. Oh, man. It's a long. Just like, still bullying him.

the whole time he's been in the band. We're a long way from April, bro. Like, fuck. After line. This is how Jay found out. Oh, yeah. I wouldn't be surprised. Let our bands do that all the time.

Yeah. Did you see that? That can't be real. That ability to hook up with. Is that an onion article? Yeah. No. It's a hard time.

Oh, God damn. Ah, fuck. That's the hard times. Oh, man. What are you at all right time. article too. They fucking got us.

They got us. Yeah. Shit. I don't know, man. Yeah, I don't know what to make of that, but that's like super unfortunate. Jay's a fucking animal. And like, he did all of Joey's parts, like, really fucking justice. Did you get Jay on, was it here?

Did you talk today? No, I think that was, that was Craig. Craig, yeah, yeah. Craig, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I watched Jay on a podcast, though, and I was like, it was my first, I'd never even listen to him on a record, but I'm like, he's cool. Yeah.

It seems kind of cool. I mean, yeah, what do you think is like a, as a drummer? Man, like, whoever they get, better fucking step up to the play. Because like I said, like, I always thought that, like, what happened with Joey was really unfortunate. And, you know, I guess we'll never really know the true details of what goes on behind closed doors. Totally.

You know, he was a huge influence on me. And, like, I'm, like, four out of the five bands, almost every night on this show, I've been using the Joey signatures now, myself included. And that's, I've got two of them now. But yeah, so like iconic guy, really hard to replace. And then, like, he had some big shoes to fill.

And I think he did well. I think he did really fucking well. And I don't know what's going to happen from here. Like, whoever they get better. I wonder, we'll see. Yeah. Yeah, dude, it's crazy. It's very strange.

It's staring at the whole show. Which, the, Paul Gray. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah, Paul was the first person I met from, like, a favorite band. Really? Oh, she was Paul Gray. Oh, shit.

Oh, my God. You're fucking legend. He's sitting right there. Yeah, he's fun. He's fucking. Well, that was... Super nice guy. That was our interaction meeting Scott from Carnifex.

All of them. Yeah. It took me and Dane, like, a week to talk to him. Yeah. You said something to me at the show. I'm like... What the fuck is happening? Fuck.

Podcast? Nah. No, you know. Yeah. Do you hear that ringing? Yeah. Like, still trying to come to terms of the fact that I'm going to marry a guy. And then it's like...

Yeah. Fucking. It's talking to me. I got Starbucks with Sean and I was just like, fuck his life right now. This is crazy, dude. Imposter syndrome. Yeah.

Yeah, it's hard. It doesn't really go away. It's weird. Yeah. Yeah. That's good to know. You feel like, yeah.

Currently the biggest band in the genre and you're still suffering from that. People are just going to think I'm a fucking loser, dude. It's a fucking poser, man. It's just a kind of creep up. And then you learn with age with self-doubt. You got out of fucking, it's there. And you fuck it. Yeah.

Stop. Or that either stop it. It's not real or it's, oh shit, that's what I got to do. Yeah. If it's like a scary, hey, experiment with this kind of. Trust your gut. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, shit. Well, guys, I don't you guys could get to L.A. Yep. Thanks for having us, man. I appreciate your time. Thank you. Thank you so much for everything.

Thank you so much. Yeah. Where can you find you? Instagram to the Grave at U. I think we fucked off our TikTok. So, yeah, is that shit anymore. Instagram to the Grave AU is where to find us, you'll probably talk to me on that

or any of us through the DMs but that's the place to find us. If you want to find us individually we're only following four people not that hard. Yeah, it's hard for you guys. It's like thank God I'm going to get 300 people dude. That's it. Thank God. If anyone listening has Discord, we've actually got an official. Oh yeah? We've got an official band

Discord, yeah, that you can join. Discord.g.org slash TFG. Nice. And you can, yeah, we're in there every now and then. If you're watching right now the link is literally on the screen. So Yeah. In the link tree. If you didn't come out to this US tour,

fucking come out to the next one, please. Yeah. Like, if you did, thank you. You got to be back for sure. That's right. You have to. Now that we got our visas, man, like, that was the biggest bitch of a part.

So for sure. We'll be back trying to get the use out of them, you know? Hell yeah, man. Yeah. Well, pleasure to meet me, guys. Thank you, man. Thank you so much for having it. Thank you so much, bro.

All right. Everyone, that's it. Later.