Garza Podcast - 110 - BEST OF 2023

Episode Date: December 25, 2023

Garza shares his favorite moments of 2023. SPONSORS: distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! emgpickups.com Promo Code: Heavy 15% OFF! FULL EPISODES: https://www.youtube.com/GarzaPodcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Fear Factory | E100 08:42 - Dying Fetus | E86 15:18 - Slaughter to Prevail | E104 28:26 - Whitechapel | E78 34:03 - Cattle Decapitation | Travis Ryan | E87 37:10 - Hed P.E. | Jahred Gomes | E95 43:20 - Otep | E98 51:03 - OG Suicide Silence | E83 59:09 - Goatwhore | E96 1:03:50 - Peelingflesh | E105

If you are listening or watching this day of, it is Monday, December 25th. It is Christmas Day. So, Merry Christmas. If you celebrate it, if you don't, that's cool too. Happy holidays. I'm going off the cuff here. I don't want to do intros, but this is a rare occasion and very fitting. So these are my personal favorite moments of 2023.

I hope you enjoy them. I recorded this the day before. So right now, right now, it's Sunday 24th. It's Christmas Eve. I wanted to get the vibe right. So then I was thinking like, what am I going to do on Christmas? What should I do? So I was out of curiosity.

I just went online and then looked up what's open. So this is a list I made. Hopefully this helps you out. Just keep in mind that. locations and times varies so make sure to double check but just so you know if you want to do grocery shopping like a weirdo like myself uh uppersons is open so you want to see me there i will be there for convenience stores you got cvs right aid circle k 711 if you need that late night chocolate because you smoke too much weed uh if you need some fast food biceps and it's a

emergency McDonald's is open. For restaurants, we have IHop Denny's Benihana. That's a good one. Or if you're horny and hungry at the same time, Hooters is also an option. What I'm personally doing, most likely I'll be going to Domino's. Domino's is open. So check it out. Hopefully that helps you.

kind of crazy with this year because Christmas and New Year's fall on Monday so obviously this came out on Christmas and then we'll be dropping the next EP on January 1st which is a Monday and that will be

Juan Bruho the singer of Brouhria I feel like that's a great way to open up the year the fucking the lights went out there was a mini earthquake he was crying at some point so it kind of encompasses

everything that makes a great conversation so that's something to look forward to real quick I don't know if I said this here before have I I'm not sure but if I haven't we are now dropping another episode a week so me and our drummer Ernie will be ranting

of every Thursday it's looking like so look out for that mid-January and we are also after waiting a long time and making sure this was perfect and to add some value we were adding YouTube memberships so it's called the heaviest tier of all time because it really is there's like fucking 10 things I made sure it was like

more than anyone else so that I'll be dropping early January as well so yeah that's that's it. Anyway, thank you for a sick year. We got through 2023. It's been a very insane year. I turn 38. I'm old, but not old at the same time. So anyway, hope you enjoy this. And until next time, thanks. Use EMG pickups because they help you get the heaviest tone possible. Head over to EMG pickups.com and use my promo code heavy at checkout and get 15% off. And then, once you write the heaviest song of all time, head over to distroKid.com

slash VIP slash Garza and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. When we did the Slayer tour, we were nervous that we were going to get booed off stage or people were going to chant Slayer. Because back in the day, when you opened up for Slayer,

it was hard. Because everybody was like, you know, the whole crowd where you're playing like, Slayer, Slayer. Slah, like, you know, let's get the fuck off. We want to see Slayer. Yeah. That's pretty much how it was. So we were nervous, and we came out, and we were like, whoa, nobody said nothing.

Everybody loved it. Nothing? I was surprised, not one Slayer chant, nothing. We were surprised how many people were there for us, and it was great. Yeah, but Fear Factory is heavy, dude. Yeah, it was, you know, during the shock, obsolete era. Come on. Was that?

You know what? I actually never asked you with it. But still, you know, I mean, I've seen other bands open up for Slayer, and they just got killed. Like which ones? I don't want to mention this. Well, actually, I'll tell you one, system of it down, they opened up for Slayer, and that was when they were still wearing their makeup and stuff, and they got a lot of, a lot of, you know, Slayer chants. Was the first record already out here or no? I'm sorry?

Was the first record already out yet, or no? Yes. It was out. Their system of a down record? Yeah. Self-titled, right? Yeah, the first one, whatever it was called. I guess, yeah, that wouldn't really go well.

with the Slayer crowd, I guess, you know. Yeah, it's just, I, it wasn't just them, it was other bands too. It happened to a lot of bands. Yeah. Yeah, but you guys are heavy though. Yeah, we managed to make it work and it was great time touring with those guys. Super cool. Everybody was super sweet. Mm-hmm. Yeah, but I, but you lay down like a foundation. It's kind of weird saying super sweet

about Slayer, right? Yeah. Super sweet guys. But they were just nice. They were just super nice guys, man. Very accommodating. A lot of Yeager? A lot of Heineken. He's drunk a lot of Heineken. And Tom Reyes smoked a lot of weed, so he was on our bus every day smoking weed. What was the best piece of advice that Dave gave you?

Network and always try to be in control of your stuff. But he said network. That was the first thing, network. So that's what I did. I went out and networked, went to concerts, started meeting musicians, meeting people who worked at record companies, just started hosting parties at my apartment. So inviting these people. And eventually the people started to start to.

coming. It was great. Just hanging out. Knowing all the drug dealers around. That's important. Exactly. For the people who like to do drugs. Yes, exactly. I'm not... I'm not into that, but... That is crazy. I helped facilitate that in some ways, right? And I just gave everybody a place to hang out and party and have a good time.

Bands, anyone that might be a part of the... Music industry, exactly. It was actually... It got to the point where, like, there would be a band that would be coming into town or maybe a couple of guys from bands would come into town because they had to do maybe publicity, you know, a publicity tour, you know, they had to come into L.A. for interviews and stuff like that. So the record company people were always like,

what do we do? We got these two guys from... We got these two guys from Paradise Lost. What do we... We got these couple of guys from Carcass. What do we do? Like, how do we entertain them? Bring in my house.

So I was meeting the guys from Caracas, Predace Laws, Napalm Death, I mean, numerous of bands. Early 90s. Early 90s. In late 80s, early 90s. Devin Townsend, when he was in Steve I's band, just all kinds of people coming over my apartment. Shannon Hoon from Blind Malin, everybody from Slayer, you know, Sepuletur and Napalm to everybody. Was that my apartment at one point? What the fuck?

Yeah. That is crazy. Just partying, having a good time. And that would be the DJ. What would you play? Just everything. Everything from what was popular at the time, even if it was like, I mean, everything from like early, like stuff that was coming out of the Manchester scene. I didn't play metal because you had metal guys that they don't always want to hear metal.

They just want to hear something different. Yeah. So I would play different stuff. That was cool. Yeah. That was it. Do you know that is so smart, dude. Does have people come by?

You have like this endless knowledge and inspiration around you. Yeah. And so, you know, that's what Dave was saying. It's a network. And so that's what I was like, okay, network. Okay, that's how I did it. I want to talk about your record, Rain Supreme. And that's like, that's your set in the record.

Second with Trey. I mean, Sean, you've been in the band for like a minute. There was like, was there like a discussion? Because it really felt. sounded like you guys flipped the switch and really, okay, this is diabetes. Like, was there like a, like a talk about it? Or he's naturally, he's, all right, let's get in the room and start jamming. Well, that was kind of an interesting part of my life.

And I had gotten, not proud to say it, but I got a DUI. I started fucking up too hard on drinking and other things. And I got caught, you know. So I had, you know, had, I, went sober for like a year and that's when that album was written and i was so hyper focused on that record it was like because you know i wanted the drink i wanted to fuck up i wanted to do things but i really channeled everything into that album and really

was focused on it man i was just yeah so yeah that was that's why it's it's a little bit better than some of the other ones you know just like really put a lot of time and and thought into it into it and just I was facing my demons you know with all that you know and um music was my outlet so so the album came out really well I think because of that you know wow so I was stone sober you know right now I was drinking a lot of the monster stuff I remember that that's what happens being it's like oh wow you know what all of a sudden are you know I'm monster and coffee now yeah yeah yeah I was so wired and this dude I was doing pre-pro with Darren Morris you

You know, we would just, like, constantly just be at it. I would stay, spend the night at his house, you know, be jamming on shit, and wake up the next day and fucking back at it. And just, he helped a lot with me with a lot of his ideas as well. But, yeah, that was like a, you know, now I'm back to smoking weed again and things like that. But drink a little bit, but I'm not out of hand. I'm not. I had to put myself in check.

I'd be honest. I was doing a little bit of the fucking pills and all that. stupid shit man because it was easy I was doing Xanax on the road oh no down you know had downtime and you know sort of falling into that trap a little bit and then I got busted and it was kind of good I got busted because it could have saved my life you know who knows you know but uh and it went a weird way that that that record kind of did save like save your life you know it did man that's yeah so that record came out in 2012 so what year did you get sober.

Yeah, around that time. So it was about 2010, 2011, you know, something like that. You know. So, yeah.

What, what changed did, did you guys see? Wait, I mean, shit, he got, I mean,

John has got a DOI. Like, now he's sober. And we're riding, riding sick tunes now. You know, did like, did like the songs feel like,

like, oh, this is a little bit different. I don't know. I kind of felt like a continuation. but a more focused continuation of Descend. Really? That's me too.

To me, like, Descend was a bit of a change in the sound a little bit. There were elements that were not present in previous albums. It was the studio also. And studio stuff, but, you know, at least from me and Sean's perspective, like, I considered it more. And John laid it out, you know, he was definitely more focused. He was sequestered with Darren constantly. And like they were just churming out demo. I think it was Steve Wright's studio.

We went to Descend was the first album with him. Oh. And then Rain is the second album with him. Interesting. And it got a lot better. He knew exactly what we wanted now. He knew the three of us, our personalities, what, you know, how to push each one of us. And, you know, we like something totally different.

It's pretty funny. You know, he calls me names. Of course. It pisses me off. It makes you pitch. You're like, oh, fuck. Yeah. Yeah, that helps me for some reason.

Yeah, right. It's just funny where, and then the set, everything got better as far as like tones for everything all the way across the board, I think, with him. Because he knew what we wanted, and it got better, I think. So that's the main thing I always notice, you know, from that one album to the next. Wow. Wow. Yeah. So, wait, I mean, yeah, let's just see what happens when we do this again, you know?

Right, yeah. It's crazy with a different mindset. You could do the same thing. have a totally different outcome just by a switch or doing something like slightly different. And he's not a death metal guy either. You know, it's not like he had a bunch of death metal bands recording with him now. What a what's he like gospel rock does everything does everything right everything yeah yeah it makes a lot of sense a lot of bands don't do that like you know you track track your record with someone that doesn't necessarily do metal all the time.

Yeah, and it's how you kind of get like that unexplainable something that's like different that would like set your record apart you know yeah It's crazy. I didn't know it was the same guy. Yeah, and then, you know, it got better and better. So, like, the last album we just did, the newest one, that's not out yet. We recorded it with him, but we had Mark Lewis was mixing it or whatever. We added something different on the newest album, but the three before were all with Steve at his studio.

Sick. Yeah. Well, three and a half, we did the EP. Oh, yeah, the EP also. Right, right. Wait, who mixed Drain? Steve, right. Right, so that produce, mix, okay, sick.

It's pretty special when they kind of do all of it and it's kind of still have that, like, the fresh year, it's hard to hit, you know, I still have a fresh year out there, you know, hanging out with dying Fias for a few months, being pissed off. Right, right, yeah. It's crazy, it's special, man. And what, and what a crazy time in your career?

Because, I mean, that, that shit comes out. I mean, what was it like, like, like, received well, like right out of the gates? Those two albums were the first times we got what the heat seekers on like started tracking on at least I don't know I mean you guys tell me yeah like we started tracking on billboard but also think that had to do a lot with the way the industry had changed at the time you know the internet was a little bit more downloading was a little bit more popular yeah you know so you're you know you can sell fewer CDs and track on track you know Gaza, in this time, bro, I've got a few things to ask you about. Yeah. Okay? We can switch this up for a second.

Yeah, you can switch it up. Also, this is one of the only places that people can go. There's literally, there's nothing you can ask me. Sick. There's anything can be said. Okay. You ready? So I heard 1994 you was a plane for the Giants?

I was. Yeah? And you support the Giants? I heard you're a big fan. I heard you're a big fucking fan, dude. No. Next one. I heard you like to hide

Reese's in your bandwagon bunk, dude. Who do you talk? How are you talking to you? Hey, yeah, yeah. Dude, don't worry about my source. I'm just saying, I heard that you like to hide reases in your bandwagon bunk, dude.

True or not? Yes or no? Yes. I also heard that the suspension wasn't too good on the bandwagon and you flew out of that with a bit of speed. Yes.

Your back's still? Back's okay? It's better now. Yeah? Is better? Yeah, it's better. That's it. That's all I got.

That's all I got, dude. Appreciate the... Everybody loving it. Oh, they feel sorry. Oh, man. I fucking fell out of, but I was like, our bunk, and I sprained my, my big toe. Fuckin. Wait, you fell out of the bunk and sprained your big toe?

Yeah. On what? I don't know. But you, like, you're laying down, like, how is your toe involved? And then, like, I went down, I hit my shoulder. shoulder on the table. I don't know how things got connected. I don't know. I had a little fucking bruise. It was like that. And I have melted chocolate underneath my pillows. It's a weird. It's a weird thing. Chocolate under the pillows? Well, dude, bandwagon better watch out because there's a

lawsuit coming for that one. What I do appreciate is your four rules of being a man. Be careful. Be careful with this shit. Oh my goodness. Is the camera still rolling? When you think about this stuff, it's just like, you know what? I'm going to say it out loud. Because people, Alex, and I don't really think you're real, maybe I'll help you realize this.

Some people wish they can say that. Yeah, and this is crazy. But you actually said it. And I wanted you actually say it. Jack supported you. For me, it's crazy. I mean, for me, it's crazy. Like, nowadays, a lot of people in America

just cared to say a sense. simple fucking stuff. But there is a reason why they're scared. And right now I understand why, but I don't give a shit, I will say it anyway. What was the backlash like? I don't think people can really fathom what it is

actually like when the internet comes after you. What do you mean? Like, what there's like a backlash? You have a whole community attack. Attack comments? Yeah, they start to like send me the message in my DM and comments, a lot of comments.

Like, 8,000 fucking comments. Like, it's crazy. And I don't have a problem with LGBT people, like, transganders, gay people, all this shit. I have problems with crazy people. You know what I mean? Like, and if you, like, I am crazy. But I realize that I have a problem, like mental problem and all this shit. And I walk on that shit, you know?

Yes. And sometimes I'm wrong and I realize that. I accept that, right? But a lot of people don't realize that. And they try to push that on another people and they think they're right, but they're not, you know? And you have to calm down and humble yourself and realize that a lot of people has a very different opinion.

But for example, when I was young, I was vegan, right? For six years, I was vegan. And I was like, everybody have to stop eat meat, actually, because it's fucking bad, you know? You were one of them, huh? Right. Yes. Yes.

And right now, a lot of people in the LGBT community, they think that way. Like, you have to appreciate that. You have to respect that. You have to fucking do that. You don't have to tell that. or you cannot say that, fuck you. I'm going to say whatever I want.

Because if it hurts your feelings, I don't give a shit because this is a fucking real world. Welcome. This is the real world. Yeah. And at the same time, it's like everything you're saying,

nothing is actually like offensive or violent. Exactly. It's like, or disrespectful. Yeah, there's no disrespect. And this is crazy. Yeah. This is like realizing that,

makes me like crazy you know what I mean because it's too far it goes too far but people entertain it this is the other thing is I think with a lot of the stuff

of people being cancelled most of the time is people canceling themselves you know because once they smell blood once you start apologising but you don't mean it for example the situation with CJ you know the band pushed him to make this

apology video and this yeah from via his murder it's like you it never actually It didn't work. People smell blood and it just split it more, you know? I mean, for me, that all dramas inside the bands know the shit, they just, this is their personal stuff, actually. And I understand that if you have that band and make yourself not private anymore and make your real, like, individual life, you're showing in Instagram public.

Yeah, you have to explain some shit to your fans, right? On another side. But you never know what's happening exactly inside the band. And you start to judge immediately. Like, oh, you fire him, you bet and all the shit. But you don't know a lot of small things happening inside the band, right? And maybe they agger a lot and fighting a lot. and they has their own truths

and the CJ has his own truth and this is normal and I call it drama I don't want to be a part of any drama you know this is your personal deal and stuff you know personal business but

it goes too far with the fans fans start to judge fans start to go and see your underwear you know I want to see your underwear what is the color you know this is my underwear dude this is just for me me and my wife or something.

Yeah. Or something. For me, my wife and my dog is it. Yes. Yes. And I believe that people judge and other people, but they don't see in the mirror and look at yourself, you know, because everything you talk about that person, maybe you have this. Sure.

Yeah, it's a reflection. Yeah. Maybe you don't understand this or you don't want to understand this, you know. Yeah, there is a, which I think, I think deep down, even like the council culture side of things, whatever community or race you wanted to throw out and let's throw it all into one pot. Right. I think deep down that everybody, humans truly want what you're doing. It's a stand, stand your ground.

When you do the backpedaling, it's, this is fucking death core, dude. This was supposed to be dangerous. Rock. Say what the fuck we want. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. People deep down,

they might get pissed at you for like a minute or maybe what CJ did was a little bit out of control is fine but the whole backpedaling

that's not what this music is about and as they deep down people want you to stand your ground even if you're if it's true sure

but people don't want you to back pedal what he say CJ he said something like this lady or whatever he shared a story

yeah from like some right wing dude or something about Well, something to do with a woman. But what exactly he said? Like, this lady deserves... To be burned.

To be burned. You really think that he wish this lady death or something? He's just a normal dude, you know? And sometimes when we're talking together, we're talking shit. And it's okay. We're all talking shit. But it's not serious, actually, you know? And when it goes serious, we bane serious, you know?

But when you're talking shit, you're talking shit, right? And it's not about you really that guy, you know, but that people like, you really said that? Oh, my God. Like, you're a fucking sane. You're a God. Or you're Jesus Christ. No, you're worse.

Maybe you're like worse than fucking CJ, right? Who are you to judge? Stop it. Please stop it. Take it easy. As soon as you let them take control of that, you're fucked. This is where you're fucked. Because now no one will be on your side.

But on another side, if you have, like, big fan base, fucking millions and thousands of followers, you have to fucking control yourself. Like, think before you say something, right? There is a proper filter, but you're not filtering yourself. Yes. If you have a responsibility. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And yeah, you have to take this responsibility. So I took this responsibility when I had the fucking Black Santa too and all the shit, you know? I took this responsibility. And like when the people cancel me, it's fine because I took this responsibility. And I was young and I was stupid or maybe some shit. But it's not excuses for me.

Yeah. And it is in the past. And I took it. You know? And like, it's okay. And I don't blame people. I understand people. I understand this reaction.

It's just a normal reaction, right? Yeah. But on another side, like, people have to like be more kind. to each other. You know what I mean? Especially in music industry or something, you know? Yeah. I believe.

And people can actually change. This is the other thing. Like, we have a, like a justice system that if you do time in prison, for example, and you come out, you know,

you get another chance of life. You know, you serve your time. People fucked up. But in the eye of the public is like people do change. Like, maybe,

I wonder how many people that judge what they were doing when they were 15 that if they were now going to be judged for for the rest of their lives, you know, You deserve to change as a man and a woman and grow as a person. You have to change.

You're growing. You have to change. But people don't accept that. Like, you always see, I always see comedians that maybe get a new job, like, on a TV show, and people find a tweet from 10 years ago or whatever. It's still unfair. Yeah. It just hates this.

It's fucking unfair. Yeah. Because if you think what cancel culture actually is, it's like humans, well, humans in general, I mean, are very hypocritical creatures. Very, yeah. Yeah. Yeah, every time. Double standards and stuff.

So it makes one sense. Okay, so let's say, let's say you're right. This man and woman, non-binary or whatever we want to say is, let's say they did like this tweet. Okay, great. They're a whole person cancel it. But if you think about what canceling is, you're trying to basically take their livelihood away, their money away. You want them to not pay rent. Saffa.

So like you have to suffer. You want their cat, their dog and out of food. You don't deserve any of happiness in your life. That is actually more brutal, right? That is more of a bad person. Yeah, yeah. It makes no sense to try to. This is what I'm talking about.

Look at your fucking mirror. What's you doing with his life? You know what I mean? Yeah, yeah. Come down. Jesus Christ, please. But it's power. It is.

Because when it goes this crazy and it's like a mob mentality, there is a power to it. And, and do. Give it to it. They're another thing. Like, they think they can judge. Who are they to judge? you know and if people fucked up okay we have the laws we have the fucking that system and if you

break the fucking rules you go to the prison on some shit but they think they can judge and they think they can make that rules yeah and if you fucked up now we're talking let's let's go baby you fucking cancel right yeah you don't have anything people get excited I see it we have power like wow what's going on now you know and everyone keeps up and is you know the talk, but one week later is something else. You know, that's the other thing as well. It's like, you just need this quick, yeah, this quick fix of reality TV in front of your eyes and you get to play a part in it by commenting shit or whatever.

And your voice is heard because you can make a new account and comment as much as you fucking want, you know? Right now I see only fucking drama. Is it crazy to be in a position that we're in where like now it's like, when you hear any of Benning is stoked for him, anyone at help me as opposed to hearing like the new Suey with me hearing any new what chap? Like, what the fuck they're doing? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's so different. It's so different now. It's so different now. And I think where, you know, me, you know, me personally, I want to open up the discussion where I think, like, Whitechapel and Suey really fucked up where we, there's like this bubbling up time and we should have tore together. And we didn't. And we tore together. I agree. It was too late.

And I think both sides have massive egos. Yeah. And I think. Oh, 100%. And we really. didn't capitalize or really hone in on that first wave when like we were the band that should have been torn together.

We were too worried about who is going to play over who versus just doing the fucking tour. It was stupid. Well, because when you're younger, you do, I mean, your ego gets the best of you. I mean, like, when you're young and you're getting that kind of attention, like, and you're your early 20s, mid-20s,

like, yeah, you're going to have like a little bit of pride and ego and stuff like that. And then, you know, we're older now and it's just like... And once you get over 30, all those feelings start to, go away. Yeah. The fuck,

the don't give a fuck meter is off the charts when you're at, when you're older, you know, like, you're just like, yep, you're just like, yeah,

whatever, dude. Like, you know, you just, I don't know, you just, mellow out and you stop caring about shit so much, you know what I mean?

Like, you just, it's weird. It's true. It's, what our parents said, you know, like,

you know, you're going to get older, you're going to change. Like, nah, no, change. I'm always me pissed.

Yeah. Everything they said was right, vacation strain, dude. He's like, changed man. He's like different guy now. He's like, big old softy. Super positive guy now. And like, he was like one of the most like negative people ever. And like he's like, you know, being like positive now. And it's just like, yeah, you just get older and life happens and shit changes. And I think it's more or less just getting older. Like when you get older, just there's, I can't explain it. Just something happens. And you just care about completely different things than you did when you were younger.

That's why I think it's hard to keep up with all these young fucking metal and deathcore bands and stuff because it's just back then when you have that young rage and hatred and drive, it's so easy to just let that brutality flow out of your fucking fingers. But as you get older, man, it just gets hard to fucking tap into that fucking inspiration, you know, for brutality. It's just like, well, actually, I don't feel sounds pretty good. singing. Maybe we should just like chill out a little bit. Yeah. And then night in and night out of like screaming. It's just like yeah. I know that like, you know, there's a lot of information out. Like, you know, with with the way the internet is now, there's so much information out now. But like, I still feel no matter how safe you are with like vocals doing it night in and night out for years. Years. You're still going to, you're still going to fuck something up. Like it's still going to overtime where you're down. You're still going to. You're still going to overtime where you're down.

And like, I mean, I could be wrong. But like, I, I think, you know, just with anything, like it, when you get older, you know, your, your joints get weaker. Your, your bones aren't as strong, you know. It's just like, and this is, this is just another part of your anatomy and, like, doing it night in and night out for a month, month and a half, two months straight. And then going back home and then recording an album, still doing it, practicing. You know, just over time, like, yeah, your voice is going to get fucking worn out.

No matter how much technique or practice or, you know, warming up you do, like, it's going to wear down over time, you know, because that's just what we do. We start, as soon as we're born, we start dying, you know? Like, true. It's just, it just is what it is. No, it's true, man. Yeah, so, I mean, I'm glad we got that out of the way. And also, I had a very prolonged ego because. Because when we got Eddie, it was kind of like a do-over, trying to like to re.

Of course. But, man, it sucks that we. Yeah. Fuck. Yeah, we could have tapped into it. It had then. But I mean, I'd say, we did, we did end up doing it eventually. We did that co-headliner.

And it was good. But like you said, I don't think it was as good as if we did it back when shit was blowing up. Oh, God, we're idiots. Yeah. And now we get older. Like, basically like 2010 or so around in there if we would have done it. back then. Both trying to win.

I mean, both lost. Yeah. It's weird how that turns out. So all you young bands, take note of that. For real, yeah. It just reminds me of like,

you know, just something like Tyson and Holyfield, you know, like, you know, when they're younger, they just fucking hate each other. They just want to beat each other. Then they're old men,

they're just like shaking hands, hugging, you know? It's just, that's how it is. Like, when you're younger, you just have this, because everybody in some way is competitive in some way. Of course.

And like, you know, you want to be, yeah, you want to be. be top. You want to be the best. And like, that's a subjective thing. It's not an objective reality. You know, it's true. It's just no matter how, how big you're perceived or whatever, doesn't mean you're the best. You know, like, it doesn't matter if this band's getting paid more than you, doesn't mean that they're better than you. You know, like, it's just, it's all subjective. Music is 100%, 110% subjective.

Yes. And you start. start to realize that when you get older. And I'm unironically wearing the sort of, today I noticed, the quintessential brutal death metal uniform. That is the uniform. Camille shorts, banana pouch. The banana pouch. You want to talk about this for a second? Okay, let's do it.

I don't. Okay, I'm going to be, what do you think's in here? A about gun, gun in my head. quarters and panties No But it's roughly the same size God I shouldn't be doing this People are going to think this is gross

What do you think that is? What the fuck is that? This is called a cullo clean What are we talking about right now? What is that? You take a bottle of water And you put this on top Put this in there

Yeah. It's a portable bidet. Do you have a... Why do you have a portable... Why do you always carry it with you? You've toured? Yeah. You just live with the chafing on your butthole? Yeah, dude.

No way, I can't. I can't do it. You would think it would get all poopy and gross and stuff, but it doesn't. Look, he's sitting there looking at me like, this is disgusting. This is fucking... Look, cool, a clean. 899 on Amazon. And I, you know, you wash it every time, just in case. Just in case, just to be safe. Okay.

And it worked out right. It's a thing. Kulo clean. 899. You get two for 15 bucks. What's even more bizarre, Travis, is that you have to look for this. You have to look for this thing. Dude, a week before I leave.

What happened to you? I had been thinking to myself, because I'm 48 years old trying to keep up doing this bullshit. You don't got to clean your butt to keep up with the bug and metal scene, man. You do when you're walking around going, oh, fuck. Dude, you go to Japan once. I went to Japan, played the tour, and came back. I think we were home for like three hours. I was already at Home Depot buying a bidet.

So I got used to having bidets. And now I just, maybe I, the natural calluses that come from. Now it's calluses. Scraping your butthole with paper. Yeah. I mean, come on. This is like obviously the more, the best way to do it. Actually, to your credit.

it. I have heard that Padets are, they feel amazing. Well, yeah. That's what I've heard. I've never, ever tried it. Yeah, this country prides itself on being this, you know, first world paradise or some shit, but we're all walking around with dirty assholes.

Poopie buttholes, man. Yeah. It's disgusting. But not you, though. No. I rock the cullo clean. I have cool. I have what do you call it, Bidaz at home. And you have backups. Both, both toilets.

too. And now I have this, this, you know. You're like, okay, what, what am I going to put this thing in? Oh, you know, a banana pouch. It's, come on, it's obvious. And then we're going to write our second record broke. What was that process like? Yeah, so, you know, broke was produced by machine who went on to, like, do all Lamb of God's records, right? So that was interesting because that was our first time working in the digital world, you know, where before everything was tape, you know. And Machine, like, he came from the hip-hop world and then entered into the rock world. But what he would do was we would create loops with Machine, you know.

That was the first record where, dude, we would just take a chorus and then we would find the most tightest loop of the chorus. And then that would be the chorus and just copy it. That was the first time we ever did that shit, you know. Or here's a dope verse, copy it. Not like, hey, let's play all through the song, like a real band. You know what I mean? Like, Machine brought that to us where it was like cut and pace. And that really, but that really gave like a hit, in my opinion, a hypnotic effect to the loops and stuff.

Because they were just like dance music, you know, just always the same, just hitting you constantly right on point. But, yeah, so, you know, broke. We did the first record, and it was five years between the first and second record. We were kind of all salty about it, and we were broke. You know, we signed a million-dollar record deal, and the money had run out. And so here we are back in Huntington and working on some new shit. Of course, in those days, I used to write a lot of lyrics on the road, too. How did you find time for that?

I don't know, dude. I would just come up with shit. At the same time, when I'm thinking of broke, there was a lot of instances where I would write the song the night before. Really? Yeah, so it was like, but there was some shit I had from the road. And then, but when I hear how they crafted the track, then sometimes I'd have to do a rewrite,

and I would just like sit in the hotel in Jersey, which is where we recorded broke, and just write the song the night before I was going to record, you know, because I had the freshest music of what was done. and just vibe to that. Was there any pressure with that at all? There was no pressure on broke. The pressure came on the next record,

which were we all kind of fell apart. Because the label, the guy who signed us left, and so my new A&R guy, I didn't get along with him at all. I don't think he even liked had P.E. And so he would come to my hotel room every night and go over word for word what my lyrics were and be like, I don't get this.

This doesn't make sense. San, that, that, and that. Oh, no. Yeah, dude. It was hideous. Oh, that's nightmare. Right. So that's, that was the third record.

And then, you know, we left that label. So it sounds like you guys were all in, like, a good headspace with the... With Broke, yeah. That was kind of before, you know, obviously, or not so obvious. I had a falling out with Wes after Broke. And then I guess that turned into a falling out with, uh, with, uh, the drummer is, well. They're kind of connected, but not really, but kind of a yeah, you know, it's that same old cliched story of

a band that somehow doesn't get along, you know, when you're on the right path, you know. What were the similarities between you and Wes with the four track and then to the second record? Are you guys still making full and then... Okay, yeah, we were still working really tight on the second record, just like, oh, Man, we were like, we were working, we had come up, right?

The label had bought us like a digital multi-recorder. I think it was like 16 track. 16 tracks, oh, like you guys made it. We would hang out all the time, and that's what broke together. In contrast to after that, then I couldn't get him in the room with me at all. He was having problems, whatever. we were both having problems. So for the third record,

it's like we were never in the same room at the same time. This is gnarly, dude, yeah. It's always unfortunate, man. Yeah, it is. So what were you thinking, like, when you hear that the riff for, like, bartender or, like, killing time, what, what were you feeling you thinking?

Okay, well, bartender is, like, that one, you know, there's a kid, a guy by the name of Brian, who was in a band with Jonathan Davis before corn, and it was called like sex art, sex art cultors. Sex art? Sex art, yeah. And so this kid was, his name was Brian, or no, was it Dennis the Menace.

That was his name, Dennis. Okay, so he was a bass player with Jonathan Davis. When I was writing bartender, Dennis would come down to the studio, and he gave me some really good tips. Really? Yeah, yeah. He'd be like, you need to get into the hook quick or your verse is too long or do this here. So I just bring that up because it's like yesterday when I remember,

Bartender was done musically and I'm just sitting in the studio working on the vocals. And you know what? It was kind of effortless, you know, in terms of just kind of came out and had a certain vibe. And, you know, it was just a song about me clubbing, which is what I was doing at the time. you know and so that that whole record just came together pretty effortlessly in my opinion you know me and Wes working on tracks getting a whole demo then going to Jersey recording those demos with the band doing the vocals just no no worries did you have any experience with singing prior to that no that day nothing no i had i had experience um

In oration, speaking, like spoken poetry, spoken word pieces, things like that. But no, I didn't sing in the choir. I wasn't in any other bands before this or anything. It just happens. Did you do the spoken word poetry on stage? Before that? In little tiny, like, you know, clubs and stuff like that. But no, you know, nothing, nothing of substance, really.

The first time I ever did anything big with spoken word was when I was on. death poetry on HBO. And that was my first time ever. And at that time spoken poetry was a big thing. And like comedians do, they do like the circuits. And so I had one spoken word artist come up to me

and he said, so what, you know, I've never seen you on the circuit before. What clubs have you played? And I said, I'm a musician. This is my first one. He goes, so you're doing your first one is HBO, deaf poetry? So you just play the the Super Bowl without ever playing a game before? And I said, well, I do this on stage in my shows. So I guess.

And they were just, they did a prayer circle, which, you know, I don't really care about. But they didn't invite me, which was like, okay, I see you guys are tribalistic. All right. So I had this capital, I was on Capitol records at the time. And they had sent down somebody from publicity. And the guy saw it and he got really offended. So he said, come here. Oh, Tim, come here, come here.

He's like, play along. And he grabs my hands. And he's like, old, dark. Dark Lord Satan, we pray to, you know, and then everybody in the room was like, oh my God, she's a Satanist. You know, just to scare them and, you know, yeah, it was pretty cool. I was like, a label guy's doing this? Well, all right. But prior to that, no, I'd been on stages before.

I spoke at, like, you know, rallies and did spoken word stuff and did ciphers like with hip-hop and, you know, battle ciphers, stuff like that, little things. Because that is, that just looks terrifying. It's only you, like there's, there's no wall to hide behind. You don't, you know, you don't get a ban on behind you. You don't got nothing. It's, and it is because one, they only give you, I think, two minutes and 33 seconds to, and they, but there's no clock. There's no clock provided. So, Most Def was the host, and most deaf, if a lot of people don't know, he's this, like, legendary hip-hop artist, legendary lyric.

and he's one of my favorite inspirations, and he was the host. So I got to stand in the wings with him, and I'm just thinking like, oh, God, don't mess up, don't mess up. Most of us here, most up is here. Don't screw up. And, uh, I still do that. Yeah, I know. Me too. Um, but it's a little more intimidating like when you're, you know, the guy's there, right? Right there. So he's standing there and then I walk out. They introduced me. I come out and it's quiet as a church. And the stage is only about eight inches off the ground. So, and the crowd goes around you. So you go way out to the front of stage because you got people behind you, watching your back, watching your sides, watching your front, people up there. And it's just quiet, right? And then they've got the, they got the,

the boom cameras that come down, and they've got, you know, and somebody's working that, and they've got the other cameras all in your face. And you just, you just got to get your, you just got to get your poem in as quick as possible and when I started again there was like a few giggles to this day as long as deaf poetry was on air

I was the only rock artist to ever transfer over into that world I'm very proud of that but when yeah so there's most that's like me like constantly walks off

I'm like I'm like slap him those dev's hand and he's like trying to whisper something in my ear, but I'm so like, I'm full of adrenaline at that point. What do you say? He said, that was so real. And then I was like, thanks, man. And I just, like, ran on stage as bad as that's like good. But like I said, I walk out.

It's quiet. And it's like, there's a few giggles and stuff in the audience, you know, and they're like, who is this girl? You know, he's wearing this, you know, skeleton hoodie or whatever. And I come out and I start doing this thing. And it's autobiographical. I mean, it's what I say in that poem actually happened in my family. and everybody was still kind of like,

because I started off and I'm doing like this little wrap, you have seven more seconds to the sciphe of your life before my tongue becomes a knife and your brain gets sliced and everybody's kind of like, what is that? What is that? And then I get to the point where I talk about, like, you know, I was born at seven months. I was born two months premature, three pounds, four ounces.

And then I show why is because my protein donor of the biological side, tried to abort me, punched my mother three or four times in the stomach while she was seven months pregnant. So I illustrate that on stage, and you can see, I'm about to do it. And the microphone is here, so I hit myself so hard, you hear a boom, boom, boom, boom, and then it's like gasps in the audience. This is intense.

Yeah, welcome to my life, yeah. So there's gasps in the audience, and then there's, I can feel the tension lower. And I finish everything. And everybody's applauding. Most Dev comes out, and he's like, that's so real. And he actually, they stop it on this video. They stop it before he finished what he was saying. He was talking to the audience.

Like, that was so real. And he actually had a tear in his eye. And I was surprised because I didn't think. And like, Black Thought from the Roots was on that show that night. And he came up to me afterwards as well. And again, he's a lyricist that I'm really fond of. And he came up and he was like, before the show, wouldn't talk to me. After the show, he's given me pounds and daff and everything.

And so then all the poets were clapping and before they were very standoffish. And it was an amazing experience. That was really one of the highlights of my career. And I did it. It was in New York City. And I had a show that night. So I went over to do the show. they brought a car,

went over, did the show, then drove back and did my show that night. A show that night. Yeah, the Webster Hall.

You must have been just pumped with this adrenaline. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, they got it. New York got a great show that night

because I was really excited about it. I was really happy. I was really proud of myself because it's really hard to do that. A couple of the other poets who were much more experienced

to me ran out of time. And so you have like the producer, Stan Latham, who's just an amazing human being. I'm still friends with him today. You hear him come over like the voice of God. You know, he's like, you ran out of time, cut, you do it again.

And she's like, she's crying and, you know, they're getting her back together. And then she does it again. And, you know, without, you know, they should have put a clock up there. You know, that's what they should have done. So you know how much time you have left. And so because they tell you don't stop for applause. So even when I get like a round of applause, you just keep talking because you don't want to get cut off. I don't want to do that whole thing over again.

Yeah, that's like a one-time thing. Yeah. You know, I can't imagine what you go through like, what, so what are you thinking about? And are you, because I, because you even like talk about it with your, which is performing with O-TIP, like, you kind of re-lived those moments. Yeah. I thought I could merge the two. It was painful. It was a painful breakup.

And so painful that I didn't speak to you or Mitch or anybody for six years. and unfortunately the reason we did come back together was Mitch's passing still regret that very much I'd reached out to him because a few months before he passed

he was injured go figure right oh yeah you're right fell on stage or something I don't know what happened but I'd seen like something on lamb goat and I was like oh dear I better I better reach out to him it's been long enough And so I messaged him.

I think it was on Facebook. He never messaged back. And then a few months later saw the, well, I didn't see anything. Pat called me, our buddy Pat, old friend Pat Ramirez, called me at work and told me the news. And then I saw you that night outside of John's tattoo shop. And we embraced, we cried hard, cried ugly. And really weird because, you know, never thought that that would be the moment. we'd reconnect.

At a vigil? No. Did I pronounce that right? A vigil? Yeah, right. At a vigil. It just, it goes to show, you know. Don't wait.

Don't hesitate. Looking back, all of those things are so incredibly petty. Water under the bridge. You know, and don't take for granted the opportunity to apologize. Recognize your faults. Recognize where you could have been a better person. And, you know, don't ever get to a position where, you know, you regret making that phone call or driving out to see somebody and just saying,

hope you're okay. You don't have to be best friends. We wouldn't have been. But just to have the opportunity to check in and say, you know, I'm glad that you're doing well. Yeah. Yeah, that was a rough time because it's kind of funny and interesting to hear Rick talk about your like departure. Because for me it was personal. But I don't think it was personal because like it's like you're.

It's like you're being abandoned. Even though if the decision is right, you're like, why is Rick Lehman? You felt like he abandoned? Yeah. Wow. Mm-hmm. So that was like a weird, even though like you eventually came back and did Mitch's memorial, which at that point might have been seven years. It was a long time.

Hadn't spoken to any of you guys. Yeah, we only had spoken in six, maybe eight years. It was nuts. I never thought that. I never, ever once looked back. You know, I wasn't playing heavy music. I was going to school. I was in Northern California.

I think Josh, you called me. Somehow got my number because my number had changed several times. And, yeah, I thought that was pretty mind-blowing because Mitch had passed. and kind of at the drop of a hat the call is happening and I think it was just two weeks later that, you know, I don't really recall how much time had passed between that call

and then the actual memorial service but that was, yeah, that was a... It's like it's weird when, you know, you're... No, even then, even then when we got together, Obviously, you know, things were chaotic because Mitch is no longer alive. But in my mind, that time was also chaotic because, you know, we hadn't talked in a long time. And it's not like we all of a sudden just were like, you know, best friend. Yeah, it wasn't like that.

It was like, I got to learn the music again. Mitch had passed. Everyone's kind of got, you know, lots of things that they're contemplating. yeah that was that was when we all reunited for that so and yeah at that point

you know because I mean when you're a kid playing music it's just like you are you become close and good good friends and you know at that point it's personal because to me

it was becoming one of my best friends we're going to travel to world together and all this so when you leave it's like even though for you it's very natural I was like kind of on the back of my head you know it's like a shit sucks well yeah i i never yeah it's yeah again in my mind i was you're you're you were like was that was that a rough time you know were we was there animosity i'm like no it was i was just leaving and in christ's mind you're sharing yeah so yeah never knew that and and josh was in worse because i mean josh definitely um like you were one of my best

friends at that at that point you know it's like it was you um uh you uh you uh you You, Mitch, David Ingram, I'm like, who is like, I have like, you know, you only have a few. You know, it's like, once you're leaving, it's like, what? That's in the other way. That's a, that's a, yeah, no,

we didn't talk. You know, I lost one of my best friends, you know. And then, you know, we don't talk for six fucking years. We go from, like, we're buddies, and then you don't talk or even see someone for years. Co-workers, family friends, the homies, yeah. You know?

It's part terrible for, I mean, both sides, you know. Well, sure. Again, it's, as I mentioned earlier, it's hard. Most bands, at least in our experience, in our, you know, little musical world, most bands start as friends. And so the tension that's created between friendships, mingling with musicianship, mingling with writing, And then the schedule and competing time, competing interest. A new member.

A new member joining like a manager, you know, that there's new dynamics that get introduced. Yeah. And again, if you, Jerry was in the right in terms of, I think he saw the potential. And he was that hand, the moving things forward and knowing that if you guys wanted to be this, you needed to get someone who was all in, right?

What was that? Oh, yes, exactly right. Yeah, yeah. He was the enforcer for sure. And it's, I think, if anything, it's advice from people to learn from that sometimes there are very few things that are truly special that you don't sacrifice for. There's always an element of sacrifice no matter what. And it's about establishing, sometimes it's a harder journey than a, you know, you know, than not, but it's establishing your values, your personal values, and looking back in hindsight

and appreciating, you know, your decisions, good or bad, but appreciating them for how they have molded you. You know, we're just pieces of wood gliding through the lathe of life, and little by little, those microscopic nicks shape us. Mark had even, I saw Mark a chain reaction, I think, a few months after the breakup and he was so nice and he was trying to reach out to me and I shut him down. I was totally mean to him. We've, of course, since. Sorry, how long ago was that? This is, well, that's like 2006. Okay. So shortly after the breakup. Got it, got it. Got it. It wasn't clear to me. So since then, of course, you know, things have been patched up and, um, but again, it really revealed to me that, um,

you know, a lot of that was me being the a whole. You know, but again, you late teenagers, early 20s. Come on, man. It's tough. So you've done acid. Oh, yes. Oh, yes. How does that, okay.

So, so you're talking to someone that's never done acid. Really? Never done heroin. That's good. Okay. It's good. Don't do heroin. It's terrible drug.

Okay. What does that do for you? Like, as far as like, like, like, like, you're playing. Like, what, like, does that? Like, when you're on acid? So are you doing it? And then like, okay, the next day, okay, I'm going to just riff. Like, what's that?

How does that affect your playing and writing? Well, you're definitely going to a different mental mindset. That's for sure. I mean, because I've played on acid before. Oh, my goodness. And I've had great experiences and I have had terrible experience. Like, there's a couple of times when I just, like, walking on stage and it was like, hitting me. And it felt

like the guitar strings were just like stretching off of the deck, like a kind of like a piece of yarn, like an elastic. Like you could just pull it off and I was like, what the hell is happening? And like the stage lights felt like they were

going through my body. Back then stage lights did. Those lights were so far. They were real life. They were actually hot. Yeah, these lads were so expensive. Yeah. This lets go into my fucking body right now. Bruce.

Yeah. What weird shit happens, I don't recommend playing on acid in front of people. Okay, we're definitely not gonna advocate it.

I would like to, I'll try it. Advocate it 100%. It's just not on stage. Yeah. I would suggest sit here, like, if you're in a good mood

and you feel like writing some stuff, take some asses and see what happens. Okay. Don't try to do that in front of people. when you're trying to do something responsible. Yeah, because, like, I'm sure you're in a different, you're in a crazy, like, other state of being

and you have other humans look at you. That sounds fucking weird. Like, I can't even smoke weed in play, because I could just, like, I probably freak out when, like, all these humans are like, they're, like, here, and they're in the same room, and they paid money, and they're, like, looking at us, it's weird. You know?

But, like, when I would take acid while I was playing, It was almost like I could only see half of the people, like from the chest down. Like I couldn't really focused on anybody's faces. It was always just like a big black cloud over everybody's head. It was weird. Wow. So, I mean, are you just trying to compose yourself? It's like, okay, I'm going to play this riff, dude.

Even though this is like a fucking shoestring. Yeah, shit's falling off the neck. I don't know what's happening right now. but yeah, I'm going to try and not freak myself out, you know. What did you think happen after? I killed it. I don't even think I realized I played after. I just kind of kept going.

Wow, that's an interesting way to, oh, I didn't even think about that. Yeah, I just got off, I think I just got off the stage, packed up all my stuff, and just kept going with the trip. You just kept going. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, you did. It didn't even process it.

Yeah. You're wrapping a cable and it takes you like an hour. That definitely happens to a snake. Turns it to, yeah. This is like a cable of life, dude. Probably some weird shit like that happened. What are your, what is this, Jay? Is there a day on this?

I think that's maybe 95. 96? 96, yeah. It was close. I mean, what, because I mean just your state alone it's just like like the bands and the music coming

up but you have like you know you guys you have swollen a grain like what and just has like this sound to it it's like I was I had to stop when I was driving up here it's like anyone that any band it came from there just hit chords differently just

there's a something to the voice that sound nothing like any other band but they're even in their voice there's just something to it It's just different, you know? It's like, what was that? Acid. Everybody taking drugs.

I'm trying not to laugh at home side. I'm not being professional. I don't know. I think it's just an attitude of the people down there. It's different than anywhere else. You could choose how far deep you want to go into it. But you went to South Africa and met with the shaman, correct? Holy shit.

I was like, wait, what the fuck are we talking about here for a second? And then I remember the lore. That was awesome. Okay, okay, hit me with it. I need a reminder. Okay, so what did you think about on ayahuasca and then at what point did any, I guess to... I ain't never done I was just fucking with you. Like, seriously?

Literally 90% of the shit I was fucking saying all that tour. Like, this out of like a crazy ass lore I intentionally was like. But maybe not all of it. You got to bring it up. I gotta bring it up. You were abducted by aliens. Because some of it's true. Some of it.

You got me, dude. I fucking. Fuck you guys. Some of, so some of those stories are riddled with some truth. I thought you were fucking serious. No, hold up. So, tell them about the DM. Or not 12 minute past fucking mama tired, man.

I was like, let's go. It was close, though. It wasn't Iowazquez. It was a fucking dick, dude. It was DMT. You know what I was saying? And I had an experience meeting creator is what I felt. So.

Okay. And that actually was. a real thing. Like I said, it's sprinkled with truth. I don't want to believe me anymore. No, hey, bro, I did some fucking, I hit a point where I needed to see my own shaman. No, I'm being serious. I had to meet my own shaman and have my own ceremony. Me and my wife went through the ceremony together.

It was a beautiful experience. I learned a lot how I feel from my experience. I found a new appreciation for life. Didn't last long. But it was something that was definitely detrimental. to me actually giving a shit and continuing with music because I was done. You were done? Yeah, I was done with everything.

That was about that time. It was that time. Yeah, I already know. I was done, bro. I was going to be done with music. I won't going to be doing this shit, no more. I was going to give the rest of these guys the 900 that we had in our account and call it a fucking day. What's thinking about getting rid of gear. Wow.

And I just hit a point where I needed a tune-up and definitely seemed me up, bro. A tune-up is a really good way to say it. Like I said, it's riddled with truth. Part of it is I just told you in a funny-ass way. I said, that motherfucker's never been to South Africa. Hell no.

Hell no. I was like, definitely not. You said, damn, this is a deep part of the interview. I'm from. Austin's from South Africa. Al Austin is that right now. What's that song we listened to earlier? Oh, shit.

You fucking idiots. Oh, God. I love this. Oh, that's great. I don't know, man. You may hate this, but this is honestly us 24 hours of fucking day. No, this is great. This is your fucking band, dude.

It's crazy. Yeah. So would you, would you contribute DMT to really maybe like giving a new perspective? Okay, I love, I love music. I'm not going to fucking. It helps with our rifts. I was going to say. I was going to say, definitely helped with me.

I feel like every musician is like, yeah, I'm going to quit. I feel like once you're a musician, that's in your brain, there's no way, bro. At that point in time, I was fucking done. You could take a break. You'd take a long-ass hiatus. That was the end of the band that shall not be named. Yep. And that's where that was.

I love that band. Oh, yeah. Fuck that fucking Darth band. The band. That band saved my life. It saved my life. It's funny how you have a feeling, but someone else I have a completely different feeling about that.

That's funny, huh? That's life. Yeah. It's kind of stupid. I wish we could all just see it as a fucking band for what it was and call it a fucking day. Fuck that shit. Yeah.

So Joe, you had a experience? On accident. Twice on purpose, one on accident. Say the accident first, because this is a fucked-up ass story. Y'all were on tour. That was the O.T.M. Giveway tour, right? You got home from? That was because we, so we started this week-long tour with one of my old metalcore bands. Here.

No. Here. Fuck no. I'm going to light my own. You want to hit it? Okay, no. I shouldn't have tried it. So we did this week-long run with diesel ban. I was in a metalcore band.

We took a car that did not have heat in the middle of wintertime up to like Minnesota. So inside of the car was like 12 degrees, like constantly. Like we were dead sick. Fuck that. Driving on the road, I'm not even joking, like consider just running the car off the road because that seemed like better than chilling and driving in that cold-ass car. And just like it was that cold. Literally, it was that cold.

But I just come home and. I went to the dispensary I was like, okay, I'm home I'm gonna get some weed, I'm chill. I had a gravity bong there that I made before I left. I got back and there's a new gravity bong. A different one.

I'm like, cool, okay, maybe Evan with my homie Evan, shout out. Shout out back then. I thought he just made a new gravity bong so I was like, okay, cool, let me pack a bowl. And I didn't know that that was a ceremony gravity bong for doing DMT ceremony. Is there?

You know where this is going. packed it, fucking took a fat rip, blew it out, and then the lights hit and just went and gone. Could you fucking imagine? But I didn't know. We look at this gravity bong for a minute. Let's talk about gravity bongs or drugs. That shit is drug drugs. But for the first 20 seconds, I'll say, I thought

I hit like meth or like just something because I didn't know what it was. And I was like, okay, that was not weed. And then since I've done it before, I was like, that was a DMT, that's not good. And I was sick, so I just like curled up in a ball on the couch for like 20 minutes. Pupils dropped quick. Mine was acid. Yeah.

I fucked my head up on the house. That shit burnt a hole. Where? In the brain. Your brain? In the right place. Yeah. Is that a...

It's a long ass story. No, that's just a lifetime of a... You know, not a lifetime, but a time of doing drugs. And then not doing drugs for so, so long. You know, shout out being actually, like, really, really drug-free, but still smoking healthy. It's cool to have good homies because I was doing coke a lot. And I loved Coke, but... Like one day I was in the apartment with like 10 homies and everybody like one dude stood up off coke and he was like,

yeah, let's just stop doing coke. And everybody said, hooray. Finally someone said that. Who would see that? That actually, that's a real story. Who would say that? And I was like, hell yeah, all right. Same thing like we used to smoke cigarettes.

Yeah. And then said I was like, yo, we're just going to quit. And then we did. Me, him and my wife, Emily. All three of us quit at the same point in time, put the cigarettes down. I hear that. quitting cigarettes is one of the hardest things to give up. How did you do it?

I don't know, man. Touchscreen vape. You try to quit fast food? Just swapping it for another vice. I'm sorry, I'm probably still going to try and pass it to you. Yeah, let me tell you all something. The hardest shit to quit is like soda is the worst drug there is. That is the hardest thing to stop drinking, yeah. Caffeine. Caffeine's tough. Caffeine.

Cove. Cotechorn. Yep. You got some fico? So many GMOs. I want that purple stuff Yeah Shout out Shout up, please free Devo

Chris, you got it Thank you Thank you so much Shout out Chris Who? Oh yes shout Ebo Hair go crazy I fucks with that

Yeah You have many jugglers in here That the Pagos dude Jesus Fagos is in the house dude Fagos It's good That's cool

Literally pure drugs It's pure sugar Oh my god First ingredient Boom High fructose corn syrup I'm sorry heard they used to pair them up with a bottle of deodorant at the local grocery stores.

I wish that was a thing. I heard they stopped. Is that a thing? I don't know. Oh, shit. I don't want to believe anymore, you. I'm fucked up. Why is there not ever been a death metal?

It's all right. 90% of it, it's probably going to be some bullshit. Okay. All right. That's fine. I'll tell you what's true. We'll tell you.