Garza Podcast - 117 - NERVOSA

Episode Date: February 12, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with thrash/death metal band NERVOSA. https://www.nervosaofficial.com SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB NERVOSA is: Prika Amaral - Vocals & Guitar Helena Kotina - Guitar Hel Pyre - Bass Gabriela Abud - Drums CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Hair Care 02:33 - NAMM ‘24 06:14 - Wacken Festival 11:45 - Keeping a Positive Mindset 14:58 - Not Giving Up 19:36 - Being Open-Minded & Ready For Opportunities 21:44 - Hailing From Brazil, Living in Italy & Moving to Greece 30:34 - How Prika Met Helena 35:27 - Sacrifices & Keeping the Band Going After Lineup Changes 40:21 - What Makes a Band Work 41:59 - Prika On Being a Leader & Working With Others 45:37 - Learning How to Sing & Play Guitar Live 53:41 - The Metal Scene / Politics in Brazil 58:23 - Violence in Brazil 1:08:05 - The Future of Thrash and Women in Metal 1:10:40 - Playing with Sepultura on Their Final Tour 1:13:39 - New Album, Jailbreak / On Tour Now!

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with, it helped with the head banging. Yes. So me Yeah so me and our base player would get drunk Around 2010 We played Warpter We put BB oil in your hair It looked cool But I was like

Oh it's like It got all tangled And you get dreadlocks But I found Aragon oil Is that Is that how you say? Argon

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that try try this and I found this spray at at at Walmart and it was it was a game changer like it depends of the hair the type of the hair you can do whatever you want and everyone's except my hair it's very thin you know like it's gimmick not very easy Yeah. So I stopped to fight. I stopped to fight. I say, okay, I accepted. Accepted.

I accepted. It's like this. You're right. Yes, exactly. You're right. Something is in life. You just say, you know what? I'm going to accept this issue and this is how I'm going to die.

Yeah. That's it. I'm going to die with dreadlocks with tangle hair from my head banging. I'm playing thrash metal. That's it. Exactly. It's okay. Well, I am honored to have nervosi here.

Can we do a quick, uh, Intro. Yeah. Pricamarao. Oh. Eleanor Cote. Gabriela Budi. Sick.

Well, thank you for being here. This is also your first NAM. Yes. And you've been trying to come to this very world-known music show. So this is your first year. Yes. Pretty cool. The first one is always nice. I'm planning this for many years.

I've been here in US in 2016. We were here. in January so it was perfect timing to be in an M but we were recording the album here okay so say okay next time then next time we didn't came to USA and okay next year

and then we were recording an album again but in Brazil and then okay the next year in pandemic situation okay let's wait for that and then we came here in 2022 again but it wasn't a different timing it was not close to okay when we

play on the boat in 70,000 And it's pretty close. We will manage that. And then they announces this year, say, we go to the NAM, this year. Wow. And then finally we are here. What are you looking forward to you seeing there? The what?

What are you looking forward to seeing there? Because everyone has kind of different reasons. Yes. We have some companies that it's our sponsors. So we want to go there to meet then. But Czech, like, it's an amazing thing. Like in Sao Paulo in Brazil, we have something similar. Of course, it's not that big.

Yeah. But it's still big. It's, I think, is the biggest in Latin America. What's it called? Before, it was called it the Expo Music. But recently, they changed the name. I don't know the name for nowadays. But it's a very nice experience.

You can know new brands and meet people and many things. Is it the International Expo Music? Is this it? Yes, but they changed the name now. I don't know the name. International Music Expo? Yeah, it can be. Okay.

In San Paulo. I guess it's... Yeah. So this is the Brazil version of NAM. Yes. In San Paulo, yeah. And for people that don't know, NAM is a massive, extremely massive music convention that has basically any company related to music gear that you can even comprehend.

Like cables, picks, guitars, basses, live sound, new software, plugins, you name it. This has been going on for... I want to say early 90s. Hey, Chris, can you type in, when did NAM start? I want to say early, early 90s. Okay. Yeah. I thought it was a bit older.

Like in the AIDS is something. You're probably right. Six to one? No. No. Okay. It's another thing. Sorry.

100 years. When to NAM start? Yeah, 90s. Wait, what? Actually, yeah. NAM changed. It started way earlier. It says here it's 1901. No. It can be.

Is this it, Chris? No, no, it's wrong, right? There we go. Boom. I was like, oh, one. Holy crap. Exactly. So it was a different convention prior and it changed. So NAM convention started in 1920 to 19. Crazy. Yeah, so this has been gone on for a long time. Yes. I think that's why it's big.

You know, like for many years and years, it's growing and growing. It's like Bakken, you know, festival. Yeah. It's very old from the 80s. Yeah. So then every year it's growing and growing. If you keep doing, you know, the things start to. It's true.

And you barely made it to a Bakken, right? Yeah. Barely. And only because there was, what, did they have a rain issue? And like they postponed their show three hours and made it even a possible for you to play? Man, we can write a book. only about Vakin. Because it's something like

we were announced to play in Vakken in 2020. Yeah. But it was canceled because of the COVID situation. And then the next year didn't happen in 2023. They announced a new lineup. Completely new. They were not announced the same bands than before.

Okay. So, okay, we are not included. But they say, like, in the next, you can be included. Okay. And then 2020, three, it happened. Like, they announced it does. And we play there.

Finally, but the day we were in another festival in metal days in Slovenia, and our flight was canceled. Can I pass me the coffee? I'm sorry. I was like, where's a coffee? I was checking out. They passed. Thank you so much.

I'm sorry. Continue. Sorry. And our flight was canceled. I see, fuck, what are we going to do now? We have to arrive there and then we try to change. the flights they say like we have just one flight that is going there like but there's a stop in Frankfurt okay fuck we're gonna lose our instruments guaranteed right I was sure because we have like a

50 minutes of changing and normally when it's less than one hour the instruments cannot arrive on time but okay it's what we have and we were supposed to arrive exactly in the showtime and I say let's go and we figured it out and the vacuum was sending message for everyone to not come because of the the mud the mud you know and everything that I was a lot of cars stocked and was a lot of um roads that was closed because it was full of cars so they say don't come to vacan it's it's a something really bad we are struggling with many problems we say but artists should come or what But there was still like the capacity of this festival. It's like 80,000 people.

And there was like 30,000 people there. Okay, let's go. There's a lot of people there. So that's continuing the trip. We arrive exactly in the showtime. But everything was like late. Delayed. So okay, perfect.

So we can play. And then we waited there. It was like three hours waiting for the show. Happened. They canceled other stages. and say, fuck, they will cancel a show. They say, no.

And then they say, no, it's going to happen. It's going to happen. But we have to wait. And we were waiting, waiting, wait, and we finally have. Yeah, I think it's three hours. Yes, it was three hours delay. Yes. We've been in the States, but nobody knew about the, you know,

the time schedule and everything. What time, the whole festival is going to start. So they said to us, okay, we will bring it to the side of the States. Maybe you can start setting up. But we don't know what time you're going to. plane. Okay, better be ready, you know. And we were waiting and waiting and the weather was getting worse. And it was delayed and delayed and delayed and said, fuck, they're going to cancel. But yeah, three hours, three, four hours later made it. Yeah, we made it but we had a lot of

technical problems. My guitar was the entire show cutting. We could not figure it out what was happening. I changed the guitars, but the problem still was there. Change the cables. I changed everything. but okay, we have to play because it's ending. Yes. And, but yeah, we did it. It was fun and we were happy to be there. The people were cool around us. Great.

We have a nice experience. Yeah. It's great. As long as it was a great all around experience. Yes. There's a lot of details about this. As I told, I can write a book about it. Of course.

Yeah, moments like that, it's so hard to keep your cool. It's like you want to start yelling at like the flight. Whoever is booking your new flight you want, like your brain wants it. yell at them but but you hold up you hold back yeah you're like they're trying to try to help me you you want to you're you're your career trauma exactly to this poor person now it sounds like fun i mean we say about it and we're laughing but it wasn't no it wasn't now now it's fun like oh okay we had this in this and this experience yes but back then it wasn't i was like not pissed off I was like frustrated you know like for we lost the energy like no I can't

believe no you had to keep the face yes yes but I say like we go to the end doesn't matter we go yeah yeah we go yeah we go so but yeah in the end everything's happened good I think because we keep it there and somehow women was half a frustration and how positive say we're we're gonna get there even if it's over yeah just Just to prove our fucking points. Yeah, no, we go there to take a photo, we say, we were there. We were there. It's empty, but fuck it, who cares?

We've been there. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. It's okay. Have you always been a very even-keeled person? Like a very stable mood person? Yeah, so I try to keep a positive, you know, because being on the road, many things happen, you know. If you try to put the focus in the bad things, you hate this shit, you know.

Like, I don't want to do this. Happens quick. Yes, but everything has like a positive side and bad sides. But if you focus on the bad sides, always will be heavier for you, you know. I really love it what I do. And I try to transmit this to the girls and everything. Like, and keep always like the life is so short, man, you know? Like, we have to enjoy and give you value for everything that you have

because there's a thousand of people that it's dreaming with this, you know, that we are doing. So give you value, you know, be thankful. And of course, there's bad things, what we can improve and, you know, do better. We will do it. We have to talk when something is not good, yes. But let's enjoy. It's great. It's a great mindset.

And it's hard to, it sounds simple, but it's hard to get there. Yes. I think it's something that you can be or not. Yeah. Oh, it's nice. It's good. You know, sometimes you can work. That's really smart.

Sometimes you can work to make you better. but sometimes this is not for you that's it it is a choice not exactly because I think you born you know with some kind of a character that you cannot change because I work with some people that was really like in the only looking in the bad parts of everything okay and I try to show the positive things okay they can see but they don't care because the bad part for them is more important okay So it's make part of the character. They are like that.

In the end, everyone is looking for to be happy. Yes. You know. Do you think people are born with that? Yeah, I think so. It's very hard to change sometimes. Because they don't want. Yeah.

Some people don't want to change and you can't help them change. Yeah. They are addicted. Yeah. They are addicted with the negative things, you know. Yes. They really are addicted. Like they're looking for.

Yeah. And then their energy will be. become yours. Yes. Very quick. All these things that that that you love, you start to dislike. It's crazy because because your energy I try not to get like this like all spiritual, but your energy is like this like this does this. Yeah. Yeah. It just goes low and it's like fuck. When I have someone like with a very negative vibes, I'm not, I always away from these people. Yeah. I'm not around. Me too. Like I'm not paying attention what they are saying. Like if there's something that I need to improve, I will listen.

And I will manage to do my best. But if it's just like just complaining, complaining, complaining, complain, I start like, I'm very far. Yeah. You know. Good. Because I really want to enjoy everything. Yeah, because everything has a good side and a bad side.

Exactly, exactly. And sometimes you have to just, you know, go on with the things and you have to get the things done. So be around this kind of people, it doesn't help. That's true. Yeah. It's very true. Yeah. So, Prico, you've been, which is.

anyone that's hungry with music does this I do something very similar where you you follow a lot of people like you so you throughout your whole career so the band started in 2010 from Sao Paulo

yes correct so you're going on 14 years yes crazy congratulations I'm a survival oh shit yes you are let's go get shots

try to get beers and celebrate okay anyway so but you but you always followed other players around the world. Yes. Cool. Yes.

Did you purpose you do that? I really like to see women playing metal, you know, playing rock and playing. And I really admire talent people. So I understand, like example, the social media. It's something that you can connect with the people with no more things. For me, this is the main thing. about social media. And I really like when I find someone

that it's really focused in the career and they are really doing this in a genuine way, you know, in a true way and pass me something. So then I start to follow them. It's like a kind of way to support them to, you know, to keep in doing this. I remember the first time that I met Gabriela, she was playing another band.

Just ripping. In Brazil. Two years ago. Two blast beats and thrash beats, right? Yes. Okay, cool. And she's super young and I just look at her, like I say, hey, never give up. Keep him playing drums.

And she said, like, you told me this in a very pissed off way. I said, it was not pissed off. I was serious. Like, please, don't leave me, Jose, keep him playing. Yes. Like in my soul, like, trying to. Don't. How do you say?

Give up. Don't give up. But not this way. She told me this. Don't give up. I like, I was like, I want to talk with her? Yes, yes, a person. We'll have a lot of conversations, yeah.

And she just told me that don't give up. And I was like, okay. Okay. What you think? Come on, I was not like that. I just say like, I remember her eyes. Yeah. Did that, did that help you?

A lot. Because at that week, I wanted to stop playing. Oh, shit. Really. And I didn't know. Life timing. Yeah. That's cool.

I don't know. I just saw her playing and I say, like, she was very talent. you know and very young and I say hey because she was like just replacing the drummer yeah it was just two or three shows I just yeah I know that she was not in that band and I didn't know if she was in another project or whatever I just I don't know I feel this necessity to say this to her like come on never give up yeah and I say that to her like and then now we are playing together yeah yeah yeah but when I say see talent musicians I really want to support them and I think like social media it's my way

to do this yes I like how long ago was this two years ago was one November of 22 October no November October November yeah beginning of November did you do you go home like just think about that yeah sometimes when I think about it it gives me Yeah, that's cool. Yeah, it's something that I will never forget. It's love. That's cool. Yeah, that's love, that's love.

Because we need people to just say something and it's cut through the bullshit. Yes. It means a lot. When someone says something very, which sounds like it was very heartfelt. Yeah. And something that you felt that didn't need to be said. When you're in the other side of it, it means a lot. You know, someone that says something real to you and we all need, we're all human.

We need, you know, really. reinsurance. I remember thinking like, okay, universe, I will not stop playing. I will not. Okay, I get it. So my serious face?

Yeah. Just some time. Yeah. Time creeps me out sometimes. Yeah. It's like you'll be like, I don't know, you'll just, yeah, like you want to quit or you're just down on your luck

and you'll read something or a friend will text you or something. or like someone say you know don't quit in your face and then like just she has timing yes this this this this I this remind me in history it came from our producer Martin Fourier and he back in time many years ago he was working as a translator guy oh yeah I remember you know this story and he was like thinking to give to Dio a CD from his band and he He gave to him like, hey, this is my CD for my band. If you want to listen, we will be very happy, something like that.

And then you just give it back the CD to him and say, like, look, it doesn't matter if I like or not, you just need to keep him doing. Keep on play, too. Yeah. And this changing his life. He was exactly thinking to give up in music. And this helped him to keep him going. Yeah.

That's beautiful. Yes. That's sick. Yes. you can imagine listen this from Dio it's like wow I have to keep doing yes it's okay

it's something that you have to to look out you have to watch you have to be aware of this because it's the little moments that life I think yeah this is my opinion

it's the little moments that life like gives you tips I guess 100% the signs yeah yeah yeah yeah Signs. I call them whispers.

Yeah. Yeah. They're like if... Whispers, yeah. Because as you said, you gotta be aware enough to see them. Yeah. If you're aware, you're happening, have a nice... Some days we're not aware, some days we're more supportive others, but sometimes we are.

And they'll be like little whispers. Yeah, you have to be open. Like if you're not open to life, life won't be open for you. Oh. Wow! Gabriela, holy! Wow! Wow!

Tomorrow there is a... A art. A design is impressed. All of her is impressed. All of her is impressed. It's happened that my director used to say to me. Yeah. Director?

Yeah. She's an actress. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Where you from? Brazil too.

So, Paul. Okay, great. And where are you from? Greece. Greece. Okay. I know like everyone's from like around the world. And now it's two countries only. Yeah.

Yeah. And Brazil. We established. We made it. We made it. Yes. And they're both now living in Greece. So we are together.

Yeah. Are you serious? Yes. It's just like a... It's funny because that was one of my questions. I'm like, where are they based? Ida, where are they currently living and how do they meet up? Yes.

Everybody has the same question. I moved to Europe a few years ago. During the pandemic situation, I moved to Italy because I moved to Italy because I'm I have a citizenship from Italy. And okay, I was living there in the middle of the pandemic, but I was half of Brazil, half in Italy, trying to find a way to manage everything. And then when she joined Nervosa, she's from Greece,

and we have to compose a new album together. And I decided to move to Greece, because also the bassist is from Greece, and I say, what I'm doing in Italy. And then I moved to Greece. Whoa. Yes. Yes.

And I love this country, man. I love to be there, really. What's it like being in Greece? It's good food. What is that like? It's very good food. Yes. It's one of the best food in the world is there.

The people, it's very, like, welcome, very nice, you know. It seems like we're in Brazil. Exactly because everything is very open. And most part of the people speak in English, what is saving our lives, because learning. learn Greek, it's very hard, because you have to alphabetize it yourself again. You know, learn all the letters and everything. Yes, from zero.

We have many words in common. Yes, some. Yeah, yes. But it's very hard to memorize because anything reminds anything. Yeah. It's very hard. So I'm feeling bad, the better there, because everyone can speak a bit of English. So we can feel okay.

Now we are safe. And also it's a very simple person, like simple people that has a simple life and very positive. Everyone is always smiling and treating each other in a good way. So we really feel. And the city that we are living, it's very alive. There is a lot of bars and places to go to make a lot of things. We don't feel like a part. Yeah.

And also her and her boyfriend, it's a lot of. the best persons to welcome us also. Cool. Like a family there. That's cool. Yes. Yeah. How did you convince them to go to Greece?

You know. That's a big move. She didn't convince me. No, no. It was very easy. The first time she came in Greece, she stayed like a bit over a month to start composing the new album. And she was really feeling like, okay, like easy.

You know, she said, I'm feeling like home and the food and the people and everything reminds me of home. Okay. And I think next year we've been in the studio to really record and things the album. And by the end she was like, what how much you believe that I have to spend every month to live in Greece? It's okay. But in Greece, in which town? Because in which city? Because it depends if you're in Athens, Thessaloniki or in a smaller city.

And she said, no, no, no, no, no. How much you think I have to spend to live in Tricala in the city I'm living, which is a very small city? And said, okay, good. You don't have to spend a lot. But, okay, this is, you know, a big kind of... Yes, a big step. Okay.

And after the recordings, one month later, she came, and we started searching for houses and everything. Whoa. She did this. Yeah. As simple as that. yeah and and yes then she came yeah here we are i was in italy i love italy but i was far from the girls you know like i have some friends there but they were living a bit far and i say we're not

come to greece you know like and be closer to the the girls because uh it since the beginning of the band we were pretty close each other and to compose the songs we composed the the the Perpetual Chaos, the one album before, the last one that we release, we composed like everything far, you know, through the internet during the pandemic situation. And it's, which is nice because we have more time to work, to think about it, but I want to come back to the previous way, you know, like the real way, like in person. And I say, it's nice to be closer. We have a lot of things we can do more for the band, you know, and we can make everything better.

So let's move to there. If it's not good, I can move again. That's it. I don't need to be there for forever if it's not working. So I just say, let's try. And I'm loving there. I don't feel that I want to move. I really love there.

Wow. Yeah. It took you a while, huh? It's fine like to reestablish a lineup where like you're all in the same area. It was something that, that's a while, huh? The destiny bring me to there. Because before, with a previous lineup, each girl was in a different country.

How did you fucking do? I can imagine. I figured it out. I sometimes think of it. That's like four long-term relationships. That's impossible. It's in Europe. It's like here in the US.

You know, like it's an European Union. So to fly for each place to another, it's kind of cheap and fast. So I say, okay, it can work and work it. You know, and work it. But to be all together, the same city is better. It's better.

Yes. Because sometimes we just say, like, we call her, like, are you on an apartment? Yes. Okay, I'm coming because I want to show you something. Two minutes later. Two minutes later. We come to drink coffee every morning. It's nice.

It's nice. That is fucking cool. Yeah. Because first, it's like a phone call. His hang out and that turns into you. Now you're going to the bars around the area. Yeah, sure. Yes.

It was like exactly what my first band was doing. You know, like when I was living in a small city in Brazil, because I'm not from San Paulo city. I'm in another. small city close to Sao Paulo but it's small city and all my bands that I have before but it was not professional but it was garage bands but it was always like that I just grabbed my guitar and I knocked the door like that that's precurs yes that's yeah it's like that you know I miss that thing so now we can do

that like yeah can we can we can we hear yes yes I have an idea can you come here yeah yes if you are neighbor labor band you know wow it's cool because now you have something to uh compare it to. You know, it might sometimes sometimes you need to go somewhere to like make you realize oh shit I need, this is what I want. Is it going to? This is

the best way, the FaceTime. Yeah. Yeah. You can't is something, I don't even know what it is. It's like an untangible word. It's why I don't do like Zoom stuff. I just need, I just something about when you sit in the table. I don't know what, I don't know what it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I don't know what it is. Yeah. It's the energy actually. Yeah, it's the energy. Yeah, and everyone has like a different energy. Some people have like this kind of a, it's low or high or frantic. But I like it when these conversations are awkward. Because you're going through, your energies are going through each other. Yeah, exactly. It's cool.

And then once you break the barrier, it's like, oh, this is, I can't put a word to it. Yes. It's crazy. So it's cool. Now you had that experience in a after what. So two years ago you were talking about going. going to Greece so it took you 12 years right to to come back to where you started yes life is a full circle sometimes yeah yes yes I did like I was running

now I found a place really like a baby blades yes yes exactly now you are fine babe blades times yes this kind of things happen for you learn something so I see more like this way you know yeah I should be in Italy to learn something to bring it to here and to make something better I don't know yeah that's great yeah always figured it out the entire life actually yeah yes how did you guys meet I was looking for a second guitarist for Nervosa okay and because I always wanted to have a second guitar in the beginning Nervosa had sure but then we decided to being the trio because it was easier to move ourselves and for another show

it was cheaper for the promoters and better for for us because to share the small fee that we have in the beginning, you know. And I say, it can be something new also be a trio. And I say, this is a huge challenge for me as a guitarist because I have to do the solos and the rhythm and I don't know if I can do it, but let's try. I would do my best. And I think it was a period like for some years. Most part of the years of nervous I was the guitarist and the only guitarist there.

So and I learned a lot, but I was feeling like nervous I need to. to improve. So I think now it's a time where we put another guitarist. We have like the band is bigger

now. We can do this. So, and I was following her on internet. Of course. And since the first time that I saw her

videos that I say, this girl is perfect to play nervosa. You know? And I was like, okay, we released the perpetual chaos in

2021 in January. Like few months later, I sent a message to her like, hey we need to talk no she contacted me because she saw that I was always liking her stuff and supporting her yeah and she sent me putting little whispers so got to the book right there see just throw it yeah she sent me a message like hey can you help me to promote my solo career in

brazil and i say yes of course i can send you some contact and i sent to her the contact and i say to her like hey can we have a talk like a call she said yes What you told in that moment? In the beginning of the call, she didn't taught me the purpose of the call. She was like, can we make a call? I said, yeah, okay. Don't ever quit.

Just that. I'm a nervous. And in the beginning, we started talking about all the influences and blah, blah, blah. And then she was saying that I can help you to promote your work, you know, in Latin America and in Brazil. And I was thinking,

said, uh, cool. Okay, probably she just wants to support, you know, another woman in metal, but in the back of my head, I was like, okay, does she want me to join the band? Maybe. So we were keep talking about my work and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And I was like, maybe not. She's not going to throw this kind of question. And in the end of the conversation, she said, like, hey, okay, I want to be honest with you. Do you want to join the band? I said yes. Finally. Finally, after one hour of calls, she shared it.

Wait one hour? What a waste of time. I want to help her first. Oh, sure. And it was not something urgent. It was not something that I could do in that moment. Because we just released the new album. Yeah, yeah.

So it doesn't make sense. I put another guitarist. Jail break, right? No, the perpetual chaos. Oh, wow. Okay. Yes, we released perpetual chaos. I sent message to her.

Oh, wow. Okay. But I say, okay, we can start it to work to another album. and we can announce you as a second guitarist and another album. Because I recorded this album just right now, so it doesn't make sense we have to promote the album with the lineup change. Yes, and

we can do like nicer later with the new albums. It's something plus for the new album. And she's like, yes, okay, and then you can figure it out everything, how the things works as well. Yes. Yes, good. We were working with the distance like

sending ideas, yeah, exchanging ideas. Yes, and she was always there to support them but she was very excited like come on it's like almost two years that I have to wait yes and she was so excited at some point yeah and in the end of the 2022 we had a Latin American tour which I was bassist Mia Wallace could not come and I say okay instead for me to call another bassist maybe I should call her to come from this tour because then she can be like sure What she really wants and she can see how the things works because she never did a tour So I say this is a nice thing is I invited her that do want to come to play bass with us

And she said yes of course nice and she came she love it And yes and we finished the composition recorded the new album the jail break now that we released Yes, so yes that's fucking cool the the song title endless ambition really describes you No matter what. No matter what. Exactly. Have you ever thought about, this is a pretty common question I ask because I've, you know, I've struggled with these stuff. Like when you're kind of at a wall and you have to either start over, for you, it's been a line of changes moving to a different part of the world.

Like, what are you thinking about? It's like, am I done? Is this like what? Like, what, what's your thought process? For me it was like I sacrifice absolutely everything for this band happens, you know. And I was not the only one that was doing this. I think all the members of this band was like investing a lot of things. And I was thinking like I'm not that young girl anymore, you know, like I have 30, 80 years old.

So I cannot find it under job. And I say, I sacrificed. I took a decision many years ago. I will not give up. Doesn't matter what happens, I will keep going. And I will find a way to keep it going. And I say, no, I gave up. It's not an option for me.

Or at least it's the last option. You know, like if my body's stopping me, like if I don't have health, you know, in good conditions to keep it going, then I will accept. But in a while that I can't do, I will do it. So I was thinking like also that I have to honor all the sacrifices for this band, you know, like for everyone, not only for me. Absolutely. Yes, I will keep it going.

And also because when we have the first lineup change in the band, I received like a thousand of messages from many girls around the world. They were saying like nervous, it's so important. Wow. Please don't stop. Are you serious? Yes. They were saying like this is very sad for us because you were one of the bands that it's like a big symbol

from the woman fighting inside of the metal scene. So please don't stop. And I say, no, I will not. I'm already working for that. So don't worry. So every time that we have some difficult to coming, I'm always thinking about that. I think it's my mission, you know, keeping this band going. It's like a woman fight.

Yeah. There is a lot of things going on, like for the lineup change. Like every single member has different reasons for that. We have to respect that. But stop for me, it's not an option. That's it. Cool. yeah all the all the all the sacrifices you know yeah all those like so I'm trying to make

turn off oh my goodness I'm sorry no problem but uh yeah all like all those sacrifices and as uh and they're not only yours there yeah the others also it it makes the the decision is already hard but when you start thinking about the other people it's like it's like it's It's their sacrifices. It's their life. It's their boyfriend. Yeah. It's like it's, uh, and it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's

always, it's always, right here. Yeah. Like, the, uh, like the well-being of your, of your, of the rest of your band and their families. It's like, oh, it's right here. It's just chilling. Yeah. It's, it's that, it's that, it's a, it's a deep.

some conscious yeah you don't you only have a choice unless you physically yeah can't like do it yeah you know you kind of just just fucking go it's cool exactly exactly like I was working in a bank before I was like having a good salary with the oh imagine you doing that yeah don't fit with you that's why I left you know the things behind but I could be in very comfortable you know life and I mean, anything, but for me, it's not about that. What moved myself is music. I want to play, you know. I want to make music. I want to be in everywhere, no people in every country, you know, to have experience. And it flows, right? When it flows, you feel it.

Yeah. Give you give to you the way. I do this with a real passion, you know, so it's keeping good. And I want to show for the world also, like there is a lot of talent musicians in the world because it's, uh, it's a lot of, very hard when you change the lineup because the people is like, ah, but I like you so much the way that was before changes are always hard. So, but I was saying like the other girls are amazing, but also there's another girl that is amazing to give opportunity to know new people also. What's the, what's the separation? Uh, sometimes. Because there's talent, but what is like, right? Do you, do you, do you know what I'm trying to say? No. Okay. So obviously, everyone,

someone's talented right yeah but but what is that extra something but sometimes it's not even talent sometimes it's like they're really good but something you'll go with someone that's less good right uh i think everyone has like a good sides you know okay some people where it's really good composing the other ones it's really good performing the others are good in and in everything but not top you know but if you do this in a true way if you you really are there and if you really wants to do something nice that you can enjoy, the things can work. You just need to give, you know, opportunity. And if you were just looking for like, um, virtuous thing, I think it's not that thing because we play trash metal and we are not a virtuous band, like only virtuous. We have kind of

virtuous things, but the fox is not that, you know, it's like have fun, pass some kind of mess. Yes, some kind of message to fight against something. But it's trash metal. It's have fun. It's being a mosh pit and feel the beat, you know, and be aggressive. Ah, this kind of thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Is it like some like primal shit? So, yeah, she's good, but this one, this is something about her. You can always improve, you know. Sometimes you need to give a chance, you know. In the beginning, it's not that good. but if you keep insisting and doing, you can be better, you know, just wait for the time, give a chance. That's it. Would you consider yourself a leader?

Leader, you mean? Yeah, leader. I think I became, I was not seeing myself as a leader. Not by choice. Yes, it's happened. You don't choose it. It's like I have to. Yes.

It's like sucks. Yes, I'm learning about that, you know, because I actually, I have a lot of experience, you know. I have more experience than the girl. So they know that I know some stuff more than them because I passing through many times for many things. And I think that's why I became leader because it's something like I'm older also. I know some stuff. But I like to include everyone. I don't like to be alone like, you know, as a leader and say everything that we have to do.

I like to consult you everyone because also I think it's important that everyone agree and everyone is, want the same thing because otherwise would be my wish and they are just following no i want that be the wish of everyone you know and then we can be collective better yes yes yes it's cool there's a there's a there's a reason why i brought up because you said up give people's give someone a opportunity that's what a leader does it's like it's uh it's taking a chance on somebody yeah it's like you just it's something something about this i got a okay like like like I'll just go with this person. This is something.

It's taken a chance. Yeah. Yeah. So that's, yeah, you have, you have those hidden qualities. It's cool. Yes. Now being a singer of this band, I understand, like, I have to lead and to guide the things a bit. And I'm still learning about it.

It's every day. Yes. Sometimes I have to stop, like, how it should be in this situation. You know, so but I'm still figuring out. Yes. Good. Yeah. Hopefully, and it never stopped.

It'll be like some weird scenario just like it's different than, you know, like, okay, what is this and where am I? Yeah. But these girls helping me a lot. Good, good. Yes, I always bring the things to them like how we should deal with and they help me a lot. That's cool. Yeah. Cool.

They always show into me that I'm not at home. This is really important for me because there is nothing like, you know, like, you worse than you are in a group that you feel alone. No. Yeah. Then it's not a group. I don't feel alone with these girls. Yeah.

I think we have a team like... Yes. If we are together, nothing can stop us. I feel like that. That's what's up. You're a family. Yes. Yes.

You know, one of the worst things, it can become a nightmare if you feel alone in your own family or your own band. Yes. Or your own household or whatever. it could relate to you. Yeah, but probably if I'm feeling alone, the others are feeling alone as well. It's not the only for me. Mutual. Yes, yes.

And sometimes it just doesn't happen how we are expected. It's important we see that we have like a conscience of what are happening. Yes. To solve that because in the end, everyone wants to be happy. And we have to respect that. If it doesn't work, doesn't work. No. That's it.

Yeah. True. It's better not insist. Because then can be heavier and you can lose friendship, you can lose many things. So once you see that it's not working, it's not work. Don't insist. It doesn't, don't insist. Yeah.

That's awesome. I'm a, she's going away. Okay, so this is a selfish question of mine. I don't know how to play guitar and sing at the same time. So, how do you do that? Me neither. I'm still figuring it out. No, for me, it was like, in the beginning, when I knew that the previous singers was leaving the band, I say, I can't put someone that will leave the band.

Okay, maybe it's a time for me to deal with and be the singer. But can I do this? Yeah, but you did it before. I was backing vocal. Okay, but that was the lead. This is a bit part of the way. And I say, okay, maybe I can do it. I call it for a friend of mine and she's a vocal teacher.

So, okay, hey, I was thinking that. She's like, of course, this is going to be awesome. And I say, but I can do that. We have just two months. Yes. That was another thing. Yeah. What the fuck?

Two months? Two months. Two months to really record the new album. And to learn how to sing. And to learn how to sing. And play. And she said, like, you know how to do. I don't need to teach you technique, exactly, but I can give you some tips, I can give you some classes, so she gave to me four classes.

Four classes, okay. And I say, the rest, it's my personal study that I have to do, like basically every day or three times per week to construct the muscles that I need and test some different kind of voices. so I took a part of my wardrobe. I put the microphone inside and I put all the blankets around. I will practice this in here and I was screaming per hours there. Screaming in your closet? Yes. Okay.

That's cool. That's cool. That's a way to do it. It was my way to not disturb everyone. Screaming in her closet. I remember she gave me a video call. and she said, look what I made and it was like

literally the wardrobe with a lot of blankets inside and stuff and the microphone and said what the fuck God you're enjoying in the hair okay but then I realized that okay I can sing all the songs because I sang like an entire sad list

what we were playing that time I said okay I can do it is still missing a bit of air but this is like a practice you know like go to the gym It's like that. Okay, if I keep it doing, like in the recordings, I would be ready for that. But I was like, play and sing it is something for later.

First, I need to learn how to sing. Yes. You took the proper steps. Yes. Because I knew the songs. It was not something new to learn playing. Yes. So then I recorded the album and I say, okay, now I have to play the songs that I recorded.

And sing. But it was easy for me because I was very comfortable. the songs because it was something that I composed so it's like my way to think so and then I was the need to think what I'm playing exactly it's just like to remind the lyric this will for me was the hardest part was memorize the lyrics because my memory sucks I can't remember anything I feel yeah so this was the hardest part but like 90 80 percent of the things I could sing and play There was some songs that was a bit harder. It's just insist and try to play with your brain, you know.

Like, no, this part of the brain stay here and the order stay here. Organize your brain and then you can do it. Okay. Yeah. So you learn vocals first. Yes. That's a good, that's a good way to put it. I never thought about that before because I'll be here, the acoustic trying to sing a song.

It's just like, oh, wow. It's like this, you know, it's like the classic. Yes, exactly It's like you like forget how to play But you broke it down in a very smart way I'm like, oh yeah, I never thought about the common sense fucking when you do it Like you practice one thing first

Because I don't know how to sing You have to be comfortable first Comfortable singing Yeah Comfortable singing and comfortable playing Separated and then you put together Oh shit, okay Okay

So I was trying like doing too much at once You can It's just organized. Okay. Yeah. Maybe for some people, this works different, but I think it makes sense. If you're comfortable with the two things separated and then you put together. I'm going to...

And insist. No, that's insist. Because sometimes you are comfortable with both and you try to do both. But maybe your brain is too worried about the connection and then you... You know, it's like a play with the brain. Step by step. Yeah. You have to learn how to...

It's like to talk another language. example. Okay. When you stop to think like I have to talk in the correct way and if you relax and just talk and then you were like a, how can I say unblock at your brain first and then you are yes, like checking yourself to speak better and correcting what it's not corrected. No, step by step. But you have to know how to unblocking.

block your brain for that. So you quote, Prika, just relax. So that's what I have here is going to just just relax. Just relax. That's cool. Okay. Okay. How long were

it? So she took four lessons. How long were your lessons? I was one hour each. One hour. Okay. So that's what I assumed. Yeah. And but she's one of my best friends. Okay. Myara Portas from Torture Squad. and she know me very well she saw me playing live shows she saw me sing singing in like backing vocals so she knows how to guide me and she also is from trash metal trash and death metal so it was like

the right person to guide me and she teach me exactly the things that i need to know because i was more specializing in low vocals because i was doing back vocals so it was what my band needed the low parts and but for me the high notes with the technique that I have was something that I never did and I was thinking like it's very hard and she was just teaching me how to do the highs and say wow okay now I have the lows and high so she teach me exactly what I needed that's great that's cool well thank you for that insight and you basically gave me a lesson so I really I really appreciate that you know sometimes

life, like you have a, something would be presenting to you. It's oh, shit, I need to learn this. Yeah. Like once you get like the, I believe that we're all antennas. So when you get the signal and like, hey, you should do this. And like, your brain's like, no, I don't want to do that. Yes. Yes.

So recently I've been presenting with the temporary problem that I need to start probably doing backup vocals for my band. Yeah. And maybe there's some talks or some acoustic stuff. singing, I was like, oh shit, I don't know anything about any of that. So it's cool. So now I have a nice framework. Yeah, you can do it trusting yourself. Yeah, you have to stop resisting.

Yeah. Stop resisting. Yeah. But the brain is resisting all the time. Sometimes you are just in a wrong way to do it, you know? If you do it's true. Yes. And then you say, wow, I can do now.

It works. I really want to see you singing. Yes, me too. I don't, but I appreciate that. You will. Thank you. Yeah, you will get there. Out of curiosity, because I've been to South America and Brazil quite a few times,

I was just curious how the scene is out there, because it's very hard for a band, like us or any band in general, to kind of come down there. There is some, you don't have to touch on it. You could choose how deep you want to go, but there's some corruptness sometimes. So I learned that I need to be careful how I handle some. after show pain and stuff like that. So I was just curious how it was like for you guys to kind of get out of that scene.

Brazil, it's a huge country. It's like America. It's like we are divided. We are divided in states. And whatever you were going, it's like hours flying. You know. So, but Brazil also has different problems

because we are very poor country and rich. at the same time. Oh wow. You have the extremes in Brazil. Yeah, you have a lot of people living on the street in a misery way and you have a lot of people living in mansions like at the same place. Millions and billions of money, you know.

Fucking crazy. Yes. Yeah. And it's very hard to unite to put everyone together in the middle scene there. So you have different scenes in entire Brazil. Different scenes? Yes. Like I mean, in South of Brazil.

Brazil, you have kind of amount of bands and local scene there. And then like in Sao Paulo, Rio and Mijanjera, you have another like kind of scene there. In northeast, you have a different scene in north of Brazil. You have another scene. And it's very hard to move ourselves inside of Brazil because, example, a flight from Brazil to the north of Brazil, sometimes it's the same cost to come here to US. You know, what the fuck?

Yes. like a $500, $600 to fly an hour on country. So it's better to take two days with car. Yeah, let's go to Miami to play. It's the same price. So yes, we have to deal with this kind of things, but also because of the poor part and the misery that we have there, we have a lot of violence.

And the people are like looking for, desperate for money. So they can steal your stuff very easy in various situations. That's why it's very hard. It's very corrupted country. So, but always there is two sides. There's a lot of people that is doing, like working for metal in a real way. Or there's that kind of people that there has no experience, don't know how to do it.

And they lost the control, you know. You cannot pay your fee because they spend more than the game. They don't know how to deal with and they do shit. And there's people that do this with a bad intention also. And there's a lot of people that is doing in a good way. And I think also Brazil is a new country. We just have a 524 years. Really?

Yes. It's a very young country. So we are still learning how to deal with many things. Brazil passing through for a big, long period of the dictator. So, like, we came back for democracy in 85, but basically more in 90. So we are the political stuff in Brazil is a mess. The people are still like lost. And we are still learning everything.

So we can commit a lot of mistakes. But it's a very passion, you know, that we pass for metal. And I think we have our own scene, our own style to do trash metal. You know, like the South American trash, like the Sepultura is the band that opened the doors. For all of us, I think it's like one of the biggest reasons for we are here now because the people start to pay attention what's happening in Brazil. And also because we have a lot of people there. Like we have an example, Rocking Rio.

It was an important thing for Brazil metal and rock scene because it's one of the biggest festival for this kind of music. So yes, and we are part of this because of these biggest things happening there. And I really love my country. I'm really proud of our metal scene there and how the things works there but of course these bad parts make part of a reality and we are fighting with this all the time

Hmm You're like well I should have moved to Greece a long time ago Yeah The worst part for me in Brazil is the violence Yeah I feel I felt so safe In Greece Yeah Without scared without fear

It reminds me me years in the 90s, example in Brazil, was very safe. And the beginning of the 2000 was kind of okay. But then from 2012, 10 to here, the thing is getting really bad there about violence. So how do you navigate that? Do you like, okay, I don't leave my house around this time.

It's like, seriously, like, would have some free conscience? Whatever you were doing. Like example, I was driving. I was driving my motorcycle like 4 p.m. in the center of city in San Paulo. And someone just put a gun in my face and say, get out of this is my mother. Are you fucking? Yes. It was very scary.

Yeah. And if you're alone, like if I'm alone, it's, it's dangerous for women. Yeah. It's a lot of times. Yeah. Yeah. I walk in the street and some guy like always. Yeah.

Trying some stuff. Yeah. Oh my. You can't even walk down the street. eat. No, yeah, you can. You can, but you always have a risk. Yeah. Always. But yeah, but I mean,

it will be our fight for many years. It's against this. We are trying to figure it. But I think it's the difference. Like, when you have a lot of poor people and a lot of reach, this is hard to happen. Yeah. Yeah. You know? Like in Europe, example, the things are different because it's more equal.

Like, when you see someone leaving on the street, like, it's because the person has or some kind of alcohol or drugs problems. Sure. Or they have some kind of very heavy mental problems. I don't know. But always the government is helping them because it's few people they can do it.

In countries like Brazil and in US, it's like millions and millions of people, you start to lose the control. You know? Yes. And it's very hard. So yeah, it's something that we need to figure. out how to deal with what so you're so you're on your motorcycle yeah and you're just broad daylight in the in in in the city yes and someone came up with the gun and pointed at your face the guy just stolen the bank oh he needs to run away and i was in the wrong moment in the wrong place wow

and i was just waiting for the light to change and the guy just put the gun in my face and say get out of her motorcycle yeah when i drive at night i never stop the lights never just no but it was during the day there was like red light nope we're going yeah in the night he has it's ready crazy same thing it's better to cross than it's something it's something that it's allowed there it's after 10 in san paul you can't do it yeah yeah it's it's a lot of people do because they recommend you do it the police yeah we're not enough Yes, yes, just be careful, but no stop, don't stop. How do you know?

But this was during the day. The guy was stolen, stole the bank. How do you know? Because I saw him going, coming. You saw him come in. I just saw him run away, but I was not realized that he was still something. But I saw some people screaming in the bank and the cake, he took my motorcycle.

I have my motorcycle back in one week and a half later. Yeah, okay. So okay, so you obviously gave him like the motorcycle. Yes. And he takes off. Yes. What are you thinking? Like what the fuck just happened?

I was so pissed off because it was my first motorcycle. Oh, I love a motorcycle. I'm a motorcycle girl. And I was so pissed off that I took my helmet and I threw it on the floor with so much power that it was like in three pieces. And the people on the street were looking at me like, what the fuck? Because it was so quick that the people didn't see and realize what happened. And I said, He's 10 at my mother's saca.

Like this. That's a great music video. I wrote a song about it. Okay. I always write a song about it. That's why we play metal. We were talking about sacrifices. I wrote the lyric, let's call it,

sacrifices that in our new album. So, yeah. I always write some songs. I use the bad things to inspire me to write lyrics. Of course. Those tend to be the best. I used the hate to inspire. Yeah, yeah.

It was so angry. But luckily in one week, can a half I have back my motorcycle in tired and clean and then with the beautiful and shably we're lucky the policy guy like when I arrived in a policy station the the police guy just came like we have your motorcycle we have to hear to come here to recognize your motorcycle I was expecting a piece of my motorcycle oh here's a scene just the here's a tire sorry it was the best just a part of the seat you know the best that we can do yeah at least something to remember Yeah.

Maybe I can sell it for $20 and drink a coffee. Fuck. Whatever. But no, it was entire. It was like clean and full of gasoline inside. I say, wow. And the guy said, you see? And now your motorcyclist entirely.

Yeah, he changed them in one piece. Because it was an old piece and he changed. He was screaming. I come here. And he was arriving in the. the office, he was like that. Oh, like the movie. Just like a movie.

It was a movie. Yeah. And I said, you know what his motherfucker told me? And I said, no. He was repeated by the fucking piece of him. I said, this guy will punch me. And I was saying, I don't know. And he said, I asked him what his professional thing.

And he said me that he's the stoler. Fucking bastard I pushing him in the face. And he's saying that like changing me. the mood all the time and it was like, okay, just get him a motorcycle and they bring me to recognize the guy because it's important because if I don't recognize the guy, it's hard

for them to prove that it was a guy. So I was behind of the glass and this guy, yes, and he was not seeing me. But he was a very tall guy like white and with the green eyes. So I didn't recognize exactly the face, but they

put a very fat guy and a... Definitely not him. And a dharth. You know, like a short guy. Yeah. And I say, okay, it's very easy. Even if I don't remember his face, as of course, it's like, right of the middle.

Like, yes! I said, wow, this was so easy to remember the guy. I was worried to not remember his face, you know, but he helped me. And when you get nervous, you don't remember. Maybe. Yes, but it was very easy. They helped me.

in a very weird way. So it was the heavier set guy? Or it was, it was between the heavyset guy and a dwarf? Yes. Okay. Yes, it's like, even if I don't remember. It's all.

I remember I was not a fat and not the very short guy. So of course it's the guy in the middle. Yes, the guy was like, was a football winner, you know? Like, we got him. Maybe this guy is very as cold because they are weird. really pissed off yeah maybe the punch in the face was a good thing yeah okay I don't know they might they they'll for some reason they might they're just dedicated to to solve that case for you yes it was easy it's lucky yes I've always thought about

like what would I do if someone puts a gun in my face because you know we all we all like to assume like who we are to our core and our spirit by way I'm like what would I do I don't know yeah I've pleased I I could not do so much, you know. I just leaving and I was like this. But then when he left it, I just feel angry, you know. It's like I took so many years to be able to buy that motorcycle. And he took in me like this.

I had the feeling that I will want to run. Like, give me back. I didn't have a reaction. I just like, I don't know if there are a lot of things that you can do. I mean, the guy has a gun. the guy has a gun yeah yeah so it's like no you had to yeah what had to that's the that's that's that's we always hear about just whatever you have just give it away yeah yeah yeah yeah don't don't play no because they don't have nothing to lose yeah exactly um i probably will cry

of fear i scream first and then i cry you scream like yeah like ah ah Yes, no, I was like a feeling like I can do nothing. So much mixed feelings. Yes. Potation feeling. That's the worst feeling. Well, thank you for sharing that crazy fucking story. Holy shit.

There's a happy Andy. Yeah. You got the, someone got punched in the face and he didn't kill me. But for us, it's good. I swear. No, yes, it's good. Yeah, happy people. Okay.

Yeah. Don't think of this. Where do we go from here? Okay, so next question. What do you... Probably last question too. What do you see the thrash scene going? I see like a new generation coming.

Look at this gross. They are super young. We have like a lot of female bands coming. Yes. In the metal scene. We have more presence of women and more and more. Two days ago actually, Merciful Fate announced a girl playing bass within.

Oh, sick. Yes, this is great. Also, White Snake is playing with a girl, you know. And I see the woman conquering their space there. It's amazing. And I see the new generation of trash coming as well. Like, example, we are mixing trash with a death metal and with more influences, you know, in each album we are bringing new stuff. And I see other bands doing these, like example, Warbringer. It's a new trash metal band generation. And they are doing this kind of things as well,

like bring a new way to do trash with a classical way, but with a different view. Yes, sick. Yes. Chrysax is a band from Spain, and also it's really great. And yeah, there's a lot of new bands around the world. that is conquering and but the trash metal basically is like this the way that they see. Hmm so it's looking bright yeah yes yeah but it's really like hopeful that uh

there are so many new bands coming and young with young people inside and they have like they're playing like amazing their records are great and they're killing on stage and they're it's like okay so this thing is gonna last at least a couple of years more, you know, it's very, very promising. It's... It's... Yeah, and it's... I have the feeling like...

Okay, of course it was... It's all this kind of more new and more modern metal and stuff. But it's great because there are a lot of young people coming that they are bringing back this kind of old-school vibe, you know, just play, totally kill it on stage and don't care about it. anything and it's really yes it's great seeing that keeping the old honoring the roots but bring a new exactly yeah exactly yeah that's great cool it's brighter so you got a so you got

one show with Sepatooro in peru correct yes this will be emotional moment yeah there yeah there there's a lot going on there yeah wow fuck it's one of their last show oh my god really happy to be part of this it's cool it's cool Yeah. What an honor, huh? Man, it's the main band of our country, you know, for Brazil. It was the band that opened the doors for us. But I know that the guys, it was not easy to take this decision,

and we have to respect to that. Because we don't know everything, you know, that happened. It's impossible. Only them know that. Exactly. Yes. And if they feel that they need to end this, we have to respect it. Let's celebrate.

Yes. Exactly. Yeah. They're taking this in a very positive way, like sharing with the people. Like, it's the last chance for you. Enjoy us, like, with the sepultura that they have today. And for them, right? Yes, but we still have, like, a hope that they will come back in a few years.

Yeah. Yeah, a little hope, yeah. We want to have this hope for all the bands that, you know, like of stopped and ended, yeah, the career. But it will be interesting to see the next steps for each of them, you know. what they will do next because they are like a big amount of very talent musicians and i'm really excited to know what they're going to do next yeah i know uh elioi and dreg paul oh my god they're all this oh my god they have so huge yes yes that's a lot

yeah of course uh as you said no one really knows like only they know yeah only each band only knows their personal dynamics as as you know as outside we're like you know why they it feels like they were just starting because I have felt that like you go through all this all this time

oh this this is all just to get to like the start point yeah you know it's like to me outside they were they just been grinding for so long and then it kind of it seems like they got to this point where like they're they're back they are like sepatorre and then now that they're

they're doing a farewell to it was like damn I wonder what happened shit Cool. Yeah, I think sometimes it's better. You're not insist in something. Sure. You know, because then you can lose the friendship. You can lose many things.

Very, very true. You can damage the things. And actually, they released the best album with Derek and Green, in my opinion. You know, the last one, the Quadra. Yeah. And it was a great album. And I think they want to stop in a nice moment. Nice moment, yeah.

Yes. Before things start to. Yeah. Relationships, right? Yeah. It's tough. They are probably, like, they are doing this for many years. They have wishes to do something different sometimes.

We don't know what that kind of idea they have to come next. That's why I'm excited to know it. Maybe they have really good ideas. Yeah, shout out. Legends can't fuck with them. So did you mention you were in town for, to do a record, is that? Did you mention that? What do you mean?

The Sepa Tseptuta, we were recorded. No, no, you. Yes, we recorded, Jay U. break, we released it in the last year. Okay. Yeah. It was the first album with the two guitars. Yes.

And with me and vocals. Okay. So why are you in town now? We are playing here in the cruise, 70,000 tons of metal. Okay. We have some tours. We have a tour with the decapitated and incantation in Europe. Yes.

It would be very nice. And we also have a tour with Exorder in Europe as well. That is. We have plans to come to USA. So stay tuned because we were announced. Got it. Yes, it will be a very nice one. Sit.

Got it. Well, yeah, any, this has been my question now. Any closing thoughts? Thank you so much for this opportunity. I always watching your podcast on the Internet. Thank you. And it's very nice to be here. Thank you for open the doors for nervous.

Yeah. And supporting us. Thank you for sharing the story. I'm honored to, and thank you for my lessons. For the notes. Yes. I'm pretty stoked. I really want to see you.

I feel more confident. Yes. Yeah. I'm totally sure. I believe in you. Now you know what to do. Yeah. Yes, thank you. Well, again, honored and good luck with your Europe tour.

Thank you so much. All right, everyone. That's it. Later.