Garza Podcast - 122 - TALLAH

Episode Date: April 1, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with Pennsylvania nu-core metal band TALLAH. https://www.linktr.ee/Tallah JOIN TO GET EPS EARLY & MORE: https://bit.ly/Join-Garza-Podcast CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Arachnids & Education 03:38 - Band Member Intros 05:54 - Having Live Turntables & Stage Sound 09:40 - Tour Bus / Van Snoring 14:09 - Podcast & Music Recommendations 18:31 - Holes Movie vs Book 22:09 - The Vision for the Band, Starting Tallah, Influences 24:56 - South Park Rush Intro, Les Claypool 29:35 - Warwick Basses 31:10 - Playing a Show With a Combo Amp 32:21 - Bad Shows 35:21 - Kim Dracula 38:17 - Story Behind “How Long” from Album, The Generation of Danger (2022), Performing Vocals 42:29 - Producer Josh Schroeder 48:16 - Ross Robinson 51:22 - Suicide Silence’s Self-Titled Album, Negative Reaction, How It Helped the Band Grow Stronger 56:47 - Collaborating On Ideas, Music and Artwork 59:00 - Justin Playing Drums 1:00:48 - Disturbed & David Draiman 1:02:14 - Bad Habit of Deleting Video Files 1:05:40 - Drunk Lost Video Archives 1:08:03 - Climbing Up Venues / Stages, Getting Arrested in Lancaster, PA 1:12:03 - North Carolina Security Incident While on Tour w/ All That Remains 1:15:44 - Justin Training in Martial Arts, Getting Into Fights 1:21:39 - Getting Banned From the Viper Room in LA 1:25:49 - Justin Sees Red 1:28:38 - New Song, “Hard Knock” Out Now TALLAH is: Justin Bonitz - Vocals Max Portnoy - Drums, Bass Derrick Schneider - Guitar Alex Snowden - Guitar

Being stung by a scorpion sounds fucking terrifying. It is, yeah. Wait a minute. This is going to sound really stupid. Is a scorpion an arachnid? Yeah. Here, it's a spider. It's got eight legs.

Well, it's not a spider. Yeah, it is an iraqa. Well, technically the spot two are like, in-service. I didn't know that. No, no, no, there's eight legs on that thing. And then the, and then the clause, or whatever the fuck you call it. Oh. Chris type it in.

Is a scorpion a, uh, arachan? Is that, is that how you pronounced that? I think so. Yeah. Arachnid? Yeah. Especially those big-ass scorpions, those massive ones are fucking terrifying. Dude, they're related to spiders.

Yeah, man. Talah's fucking smart. Holy shit. Listen, we just like bugs. Yeah. We love bugs. Did your band go to score or something? Barely.

Honestly, barely. No, we just really like bugs. Who would the high school dropouts? Well, see, I did online school halfway through high school, so that's kind of a dropout thing, because I just Googled everything at that point. I didn't really do any work, you know? Same. You dropped out or did...

I saw my year. I did... The last two years of high school was at homeschool. Same, man. And Alex. That's half the band right there. I never went to school at all, so... Yeah, he's homeschool, too.

You never went to school. I never even could drop out. Hmm. That's sick. He's the only one that went to college. What about you, Joel? Yeah, I got my bachelor's to... Full graduate public school.

Let's go. What is that being full? I graduated. A full graduate I just mean I didn't switch to online I didn't do anything like I just went straight You didn't go to college though Did you? No, I did not

So we only got one college guy Cool I'm the guy Two or three Community College classes I did that too I don't think that counts And then you dropped out of those classes right?

Well technically Yes But Yeah I did the same thing I went to college for one year To a similar to you, I went to RCC around here, Riverside Community College, and took some classes for a year, failed all of them,

and then went on tour as soon as that sounds. It happens. Yeah. It made no sense to me. I'm like, wait, I just graduated high school that I hated. I'm going to do the same classes again. Yeah. How was that, Justin?

I loved college. Did you? Yeah, I got my bachelor's degree in communications media. Oh, shit. What does that mean? It's like graphic design, film, theater. What is the other one? Like typography.

And then I got a minor in music. A minor of music. Well, technically you're a major in music now. Right? Yeah. Crazy. Yeah, it's pretty tall. I did it.

I did the thing. You're the smartest one in Tala. And I had no debt. Nice. That's the impressive. How do I do that? How do I get no debt? I got a bunch of like state grants because I did really well in high school.

So like the state paid for me to go to college. You did your homework. Yeah. Wow. I never did my homework. Who here did did their homework? Nope. Nope.

No. I did all my homework. Technically Thomas said everything was homework for him because he's home school. Yeah. Oh, nice. You know what I did? Tallest Mark. Dude, that's us.

You're a band smart. Somewhat. Can we do a quick intro? Yeah, sure. What are we doing? Are we doing? I didn't even know. We didn't go in this whole time?

We've been going for five minutes. What? We're in. I thought we were just like talking. I don't know. That's what this is. I guess. Okay, wait.

Welcome to a podcast. All right. What do you want me to say? Your name would be very nice. Can I look at the cameras? No, just fucking say your name. I'm going to circle. I'm Max, Max Portnoy.

I'm you. I'm Justin Bonnitz. Okay. I'm Derek Schneider. Joel McDonald. Thomas Cucci. I'm Alex Snowden. I appreciate your band being here so early.

Maybe you probably shouldn't have told me we were alive because I'm like, what? It's like, and we're done. We're like, we'll be talking for an hour. Yeah. It just blacked out the whole podcast. Where did you think this was? I don't know. I was like, I thought we were still like, I don't know.

That's what we're doing. Hey, come here and sit down. We just talk shit. All right. I'm going to sip some water and I'm going to readjust. Yeah, it's time to have readjust some things, right? All right. Yeah, I'm in it.

Let's go. Well, yeah, I've been listening to Tala for quite a while. I've been trying to get your banning here for quite some time, so I'm glad that it finally worked out. Hell yeah, dude. And thank you for your patience as well. Yeah, I've been watching the podcast for a bit, too. So I was like, I wonder when we'll get on there.

And then, like, we started this tour. and our manager Brad hit me and was like, you want him to do this? I was like, of course, why wouldn't that? That sounds sick, so. Shout to Brad. Yeah, he's awesome. Let's go, Brad.

It's the best. And I apologize for Chris being late, so you fuck, dude. God. Dude, if only the cameras could see the crocs he's wearing. Chris, the camera guy, calling him out. He's late. Shut up. These camera angles better be sick.

They better be the best of all time. Also, this is the first of all time. Also, this is the first one where we have six members here. Yeah. Is it the first band with six people or just the first one where all members were here at once? Good question. Are we the biggest band to come through here? No, well, no, we're not because Code was here and Code has six people.

So, no, mind. Okay. Yeah, six people. We got the most at once. So we got something. Whose idea was it to bring in the turntables? I would say it was more just than the specific turnstance. tables. I always was just like, we need samples and shit like that. And then he was like, dude, we need some like new metal scratching.

And I was like, all right. So we were like it was kind of like both though. I knew we needed like, because when we're in the studio we do so much like sound shit and like just samples effects all this bullshit that we just and since we don't play with tracks, we just do it all raw. We like need someone to do all that. So we got Thomas now.

Hello. It's like we need someone that's straight from home school to tour. Yeah, yeah, exactly. Boom. That's sick. Yeah. So it's been cool, though. I mean, it was, it gives us that kind of like old-schooly new metal vibe, but at the same time lets us do like more modern shit, which is cool.

Totally. Yeah, who else? Where do the bands out right now has turntables? I knew like Vane had a DJ dude for a little bit. I don't think he's with them anymore, though, yeah. It was only for like a period of time. I think he left or something. Is he on a record or no?

I don't think so, because I don't think I heard any. scratching on that first album. I didn't know they have a DJ. Yeah, I don't know if they're going to replace him or anything, but he was there for a bit. I saw him live like two times when he was there, but yeah. I think it's, I think Max is really fucking cool because bands, especially right now, they're trying to make things smaller. Like, okay, let's bring out the less gear as possible, less members.

This guy's still trying to, like, get us to, like, clear our stage out. He comes in and it's just like, why you guys have cabs? Oh, my, it's the cops. It's just noise. It's noise on the stage. It's noise on the stage. Yeah, I don't know, man. The stage is supposed to have noise on it.

Maybe not. I mean, we're talking about MIDI drum kits, all that kind of stuff. I'm telling you, the full MIDI tour. We do full MIDI tour. I have a MIDI guitar at home. You can have a silent stage. That would be so awkward, dude. It's just a stomping around.

It's just, you know, it's just, you. Yeah, he'd be like one of those memes where they, like, replace the audio with just, like, sneakers scratching. No, no, yeah. That's literally what it would sound like. Oh, my goodness. Anyway, I like to have the kind of more old-school approach with things, so. Me and Thomas don't see eye to eye on that. It's fine.

Probably fight a lot about it. Yeah, not really, but he just says, dude, I have cabs, I'm just like, and it just stays up there. It also comes with, I do the pack. So when they hand me the cabs, I'm like, do we. really need these, you know. We're traveling in a van, no trailer. Yeah. I saw that.

I was like, we really need the cabs. I was like, where's our trailer at? Nope. We don't, we're like, fuck driving with a trailer, so. Yeah. We're just shove it all in the van and make it work. Okay. I don't know what your band's doing, but back in a day, you would put your gear in a

trailer so you have room to fucking lay down. Yeah. See, that would have been smart, but we don't, we don't really want to drive with an extra thing dangling on the back, you know? So we're like, fuck it. Every single one of us. We also, the plan was to throw the gear in the van and then somehow sleep in there too. And then once we like got to the first night, we're like,

it's not happening. It's just not. Yeah, exactly. It's the cabs fault. Didn't really think that went through. No. Right? No, well, he sleeps in the van anyway. He'll stay out there. Why? The rest of them. Because he snores really loud. Hey, I hate people that snore. Yeah. Oh, no. I'm not. See you guys. Oh, Derek.

Our drummer Ernie snores, and it fucking drives me insane. Here's my question is, you guys are in a bus. How do you, is it still that loud with snores? Because you guys are still kind of close in there. Honestly, I haven't really thought about it that way. No, actually, when you're... That means no. No, yeah. We've done the RV before, and there's bunk's in the back.

Oh, yeah, but because it's moving... I sleep on the couch. I've heard, I've still heard complaints about his snoring. I'm not in that bunk area with them because there's like a different bed thing in the RV. But he's loud, man. Actually, it's surprisingly, the hotel is way worse because you hear everything. So if someone snores, you're like, I'm going to kill that motherfucker. Thomas has a funny trick.

Do you want, do I expose your trick right now? It was on Dragon Ball. We're all in two beds, basically. Joel does a pull-out, then Justin sleeps in the vans. We all kind of share one room. So I've developed this technique of stopping. snoring where it works you can try it if you have someone you know who snores let's hear it my partner snores at home so here's what you do as soon as they start snoring you just hold

their nose right as long as they're snoring through their nose it's only works in that case hold their nose and you wait for three breaths so you like they suck in three times and on the third time you let in a big breath and it like resets their snore it's kind of scary to watch dude It works every time. He did it to Joel. I did it to Joel. He was snoring. It was kind of scary.

I was like, watch this. Three breaths. Joel, like, rose up too. Sleeping. He just went like, oh. I was like, oh my God. And he just went back to sleep. And it worked.

He didn't stop. He stopped snoring after that. Did you wake up? No, I didn't even know they did it. I don't like doing it to people that like, you know, because it's like an invasion of privacy. A little bit. It does work.

That's fucked up. Hey, Chris, can you type it in? What? snoring? What? Is that a thing? You're going to get like CPAP machines.

What? So what may you do that? It's a patented. What made you do that? I just need techniques. I never fall asleep first. So whenever I'm sleeping next to someone that snores, I just can't fall asleep.

So I developed techniques, you know. So you started to experiment like you're writing a song. Did you just, did you look? You just pinched the nose and that was it? Yeah. What made you think to pinch a nose? dude. I don't know.

Desper times. Desper times, Desper measures. Oh, it works. And then Justin saw it in Dragon Ball or something. Yeah, I just watched all the Dragon Ball, and there was the episode, Goku's snoring, and this kid just like pinches his nose and he stops.

And I was like, do you, Thomas, look. I don't have to re-watch that. Hey, Chris, is there like a one through a 10 on that site? Like, down, down more or something? Down, stop snoring. Oh, they're not numbered, but. No. use an anti-snoring mouthpiece?

That's what that is basically. You just cover it. No. Oh, shit. Nasal strip. That sounds like it could be. Yeah, nasal strip sounds like what it could be. Reduce body weight, I'm fucked there.

Okay, go down, go down. Mouth? Exercises? What the fuck does that mean? Wow, okay. That's so weird. Well, dang, okay. He only snores on his back.

Yeah. Once he's on his side, he's fine. But when you see him turn over, you're like, oh, here it comes. And it ramps up, too. It starts kind of quiet, and every snore, like, increases in volume until it's just like... It's all the benching, dude. He's got a big chest, dude. What else is it?

I'm, like, not overweight or anything. So it's like, what the hell is it? I don't know, man. It's all this chest weight. Well, I don't see... Thomas, I don't see your technique on there, so... Yeah. It's going to become the new technique.

I'll patent it. You should patent. I'm telling you it works. It's scary. It is, it's kind of terrifying in the lodge, honestly. So, wait, you only tried it with a drawer or what? Yeah, you did date to Derek. Like, my girlfriend at home, she snores too, and I do the same thing.

Just hold their nose. Do Derek one of these nights. You could. Go ahead. It's three breaths. It's all you need. It's three breasts. On the third one, as they're breathing in, you let go.

And they suck in a bunch of air. Yeah, that's what you feel like they're dying or something. I mean, you could just kick me to the same. side too that's okay yeah I do that sometimes too that's involuntary Talas sick that's cool so your band is from PA correct that's kind of where we all meet up but honestly

everyone's in a different state at this point he's from Massachusetts New Jersey Jersey oh shit Joel's all the way down in Florida yeah I'm in PA yeah I knew Thomas for like a long time we were just both from PA and then Alex's Arizona hang out scorpions Hang out with scorpions, yeah. Terrifying.

Well, she kind of lives out in PA now, too, somewhat. Yeah, I'm a desert transplant to Pittsburgh right now. Desert transplant. Yeah. But, yeah. Wow. It was kind of like, it started because we did originally, when the band first started, we had kind of a lot of people from PA in and out of the band.

Really, like, three people in Philly. So, yeah. And it was just kind of like a good base for us. And now at this point, it's just like, I don't know, it's just stayed as like our home. It's just the easy answer, honestly. Yeah, it's somewhat of a midway point, I guess. If you're in Mass and Joel's in Florida, and then I'm in Pittsburgh, we all just kind of... I mean, it's still insane for Joel, though.

I like driving, man. Thanks, Joel. You drive up there? Yeah. How long does that drive? About 13 and a half hours on a good day. What do you do on that drive? A sweet.

A podcast. Yeah. Jam to music. Sick. Yeah. What music and what podcasts? Um Court of Thorne's

No No Get people some tips No no I like a lot of like True Crime Podcasts stuff like that I see that

Yeah Yeah That's always good to pass the time Yeah those true crime ones People love that shit Ooh Those true crime stuff People love it

You get someone who can like Act it out really well Like captivate you Actually you know what I'm gonna stop being a hater What's a good one Yeah, that's a good one. It's a good one.

It's actually been a while. I didn't listen to any podcasts on the way this last time. You're on the spot, man. Are we thinking of true crime or anything? True crime. Because I'm a semi-hater. I'm a semi-hater. I might sit down and either watch one or listen to one.

I thought you mean you didn't like trucks? Like a semi-hater? A semi-truck hater? I'll see myself up. Oh my goodness. You know, I'm blanking. Are you on the spot right now? Yeah, I'm on the spot right now.

He's lying. He doesn't listen to true crime. It was all a bit. So, for 13 hours. You put him on the spot. He didn't know what to say. Oh, okay. With this fucking podcast, he just dries for 30 hours.

I want bands at least, dude. Bands? Okay. Chamber. Get in that. The chamber. Get those lips on the mic. You know.

Slip the mic off. Slip knot. Mudvane. The classics. Classics. Never goes away. Guilty pleasure. What do you bet a sight, ma'am?

Throw on some... Throw on a little Ariana. Oh, yeah. That's Alex's thing, too. Just it up a little bit. Arana Grande? Yeah. Sick.

Honestly, I never put on her tunes. Really? I never... I don't think, honestly, I never even heard a song, to be honest. I haven't either. It hits the spot sometimes. Not going to lie. Alex makes me listen to it. It's all right.

Yeah, you know, there's a lot. I don't love everything. Max has turned me on to some pop, which is not something I thought I would say. Yeah, that's what I prefer. Max's got to be really into dojicat. But that's like, that's different than Ariana, so whatever. Ariana?

Ariana? I don't know, but it's, it scratches the same edge in my world. Is Ariana? Erie? Ari? It's Ari. It's all right. It's already.

I can remember one podcast that I listen to. It's not a true crime. It's the John Bernthal's podcast. He's great. Was that real ones? Yeah. Real ones? Yeah.

He's awful. Incredible. Okay. Yeah. Oh, real ones, yeah. He has like the yellow logos, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Real ones, yeah.

Yeah, I first listened that one with him and Shial Abuff. It was just wild. Just, yeah. The way that, the kind of questions he asked and he really, and he listens, you know, it's incredible. Listening is hard. Is that one, correct? Look at that. Oh, yeah.

That's fast. Boom, that's sick. Look that guy. Shut up. He's a goat. He looks like a Jedi. Derek's been trying to get us to watch fucking holes this whole tour. Holes!

We should watch holes. We should put the book on, because the movie's got awful. But the book, I remember reading the book growing up, and it was so good. We watched holes, though, recently as a band. When was that? No, I can't. The movie's going to ruin the... This is a movie?

Yeah. The fuck is this? You never seen holes? They dig holes. They dig holes. They dig holes, okay. Oh, you got a buff. Holes.

Dude, scorpions are in this, right? Isn't that a thing? No, the ones, the yellow spot of the lizards. That's just like a chuvinao-a-reform camp. Is that what it was? Is that what it is? Yeah. It's basically, yeah.

It's like some kid, like, accidentally steals, like, some shoes. Like, they fall into his lap, and then he basically gets sent to this, like, child reform camp type thing where, like, summer camp, but it's, like, brutal work. Like they just make you dig What is it like six by six foot Holes in the desert every day His hands are like bleeding like I kind of want to do that though

No You wanna dig holes in the solid? When I was a kid I love digging holes I would just go in my backyard And I don't know why my mom would let me do that I just tear up the backyard No I can't watch this dude I got in trouble at the beach one time For doing that

The beach You know what you're supposed to? I was at the beach and I dug a hole That was like it had to be at least six feet tall Because it was bigger than me And a lifeguard shows up jumps in the hole and goes We got a six footer, fill it up. And I was just like, come on. Why are you digging?

I don't know. I didn't want to go in the water, and my whole family was in the water, and just sat there and just dug a hole for like three hours. I was the same one. Yeah, that was me, too. I hated the water, so I would dig. Yeah. We were sand dudes.

I didn't even have a shovel. I was using my hands until I found a big seashell, and then I started using that. Nah, I'd grab the tall metal shovel. I came prepared. You're being sick. Who's it in is it shut up up in this movie or no? Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay. I was like that's why yeah, that's why it came up. When it come out? I was little

when I was in elementary yeah. Was I alive dude? Was I alive? It had to at least have been 2002 or something. In 2003. Really? Yeah, I was in 90. I was alive. Yeah, we were two and three years old. Yeah. You were two and I was 13. No, I was I was four. You were four years old? Yeah.

You were born at 99. I was three. It was March. Sick, dude. I was four, man. Dude, Corn's issues came out and you were just born. Yeah. Wow.

That's fucking sick, dude. This came out, yeah, this came out in November. Yep, November 99. Oh, look at that. That was, uh, issues was my birthday present. Oh, so. That's cool. Such a cool gift.

That's awesome. And then we saw him a few months later. Me and Alex just made the 99 cut off. So we're technically 90s, babies, but people don't like to say that. We're in the front half of 99. At least it's not like, you know, August and

back. December. Yeah, yeah. December. I'm a 90s kid, man. That's pushing it. You were in the 90s for like a week. That is pushing it. I was born in December 31st. Yeah, I'm like, 11. 59. Status is everything. 90s. When I see someone like that's born in 2000, I'm like, oh, they're like a baby.

And I'm like, that's just, that's literally a year after me. Four months after? It's unnatural. It looks weird. And Justin was 13 at that point. Yeah, I was born in 1990. That's sick.

You're the start. You're the start on the end, dude. That's kind of, it's poetic. Yeah. Hey, Max, I want to ask you, it seems like the band had like a fucking, like a strong vision. Yeah. Where did that come from? I wanted to do like a very specific thing for a while.

I was doing a Prague thing before with coincidence. incidentally, Thomas and Derek. And Prague's cool, but I was not. I couldn't stand going up there and just, like, seeing a bunch of people just, like, staring at me all, just like, fucking suck, dude. I hate that shit. I can't do it.

So I was just like, I always loved, like, for example, like early Slipknot, like, the energy was just crazy and shit. So I was like, I just want to do, like, a crazy-ass band. And I was also listening to, like, a lot of, like, the more, like, if I call it hardcore, a lot of people are going to get mad. Who cares? Who cares? Like, code honestly was a huge influence for me.

Really? Yeah, back in the day, yeah. Oh, shit. So, like, when I was forming the band, I was just like, I want to take the, like, hardcore stuff, like, the coat orange veins sort of shit and, like, all the stuff that I grew up with, like, slip knot system of down corn. And, like, kind of do that, but also do our own thing. And then I was just like, I need a fucking vocalist who's, like, completely unique and found this guy. But, yeah, it was very specific. I had, like, a very, that's, I'm really weird with that still. just like, I have this thing in my brain that I need to get out. And it's like always very like planned out in my brain. So when I'm like doing it, it takes me a while to just like get it on paper if that makes sense.

Yes. But I don't know. Yeah, I was just, I was tired of like the boring ass shows. I was like I need like people that do something. So yeah. And I want to do stuff too. So I'm like, I don't want to just like sit there and like play my instrument. I want to just like jump around and do stupid shit.

So. Yeah. I want people in a fucking move. Yeah, I know. I'm like, it's a show. It's supposed to be fun. Like, I don't want to just like... Also, in the prox scene, I find that, like, you're a little limited.

Like, it only goes so far. Like, before it's like, I don't know, unless you go more commercial or whatever. But I just don't really see it breaking out of... Really? Like, I was thinking about this literally on this tour, because I think we were like listening some prog stuff. And I'm like, I think I just have a bias. Like, because growing up with Dream Theater, I'm just like, I love Dream Theater.

And then I listen to other Prague. I'm like, I love Dream Theater. And I listen to other Prague. I'm like, I don't like this. So I'm like, I thought I liked Prague because I grew up with like Dream Theater. I was like, this is sick as fuck. And then I listen to other bands.

I'm just like, eh. Like, Haken's cool. That's like probably the only other band I really fuck with. We love Haken. You don't like Lepris? Eh. I don't want to say what I do and don't like. It's not for me.

Lepris isn't your company? It's not for me. They have maybe like one or two songs that I'm like, okay, that's kind of cool. You don't like Painter Salvation? I do really like that one album. Yeah. What was that one called?

Passing Light a Day. That was a good album. Oh, yeah. But that's kind of it. I don't know. The best prog rep of all time is Tom Sawyer. Don, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. No, no.

No, no. No. When that shit comes down on radio, there's something about when Iwke's life sentence hits that riff, there's something. I just light up. I don't know what it is, and I don't like prog at all. Yeah. There's something about that riff, dude, like, the way they play, I'm like, damn. God.

Do you ever see the, uh, the South Park intro for that that they were using live? Because Matt and Trey made, like, an intro tape. for them to play at the shows. Really? It's fucking great. It's like the greatest thing I've ever seen. I'm like so jealous of it. Chris, can we find that?

South Park, Tom Sawyer? Yeah, they did like the live intro. Yeah, this. Is this it? Yeah. Oh yeah, this is classic. Oh, this is sick. Turn us up, Chris.

Oh, my God. Little Rush? Oh, my goodness. The book. I never knew this. No. This is great. It's fucking sick.

I forgot about this. South Park is always pushing the fucking bar. Always. They're always doing. They're still doing it. Dude, I wanted to go to that 25th anniversary with Primus that they did that show. I was like so tempted to go. The tickets were so expensive.

We were seriously considering spending like a couple grand to get there and do that. To like fly out there, stay out there, get the tickets. It was like insane. But I was like, because I love Primus too. Like so. Sure. To see like Matt and Trey do some shit with them, I was just like, dude, I got to go. I don't know why I didn't fucking go.

In hindsight, I know. I know. That is kind of funny about going to shows. It's like you'll see the price sometimes. I'm like, I can't do it. But then wait too much money. Some shows are like that. But then once it passes, some years pass, like, I wish I went.

Yeah, it would have been worth it. I fucking regret it now. Oh, no. Oh, that's sick. They were like doing the voices on stage and everything. It was great. That's dope. Yeah.

And speaking of Rush, Getty and Alex came out and did some Rush stuff, too, like, as a surprise at that show. Oh, yeah. So that would have been crazy to be there, but I got greedy. So it happens. Yeah. I still do it. It's just sometimes you want to save money or save time. And it's always, I always read.

What show did I miss? It just sucks because with shows like that, especially at farewell shows, Like the hardcore fans are going to pay that money. Like, a rush is, I mean, they're rush. Yeah. You know? Alka's funny. Alex, he's one of the best rhythm players of all the time, I think.

Yeah, dude. They're awesome. He is a very unique. Oh, if this was in Denver? Red Rocks, yeah. Like the Red Rocks. Holy shit, that's sick. Yeah, yeah.

Oh, God, we could have been there. I don't know. Lean was there. That's why. Yeah, bro. Les Claypole. That's my boy. Plus, you never know.

Like, when the bands get, older. You never know how much longer, like, someone's going to be around, so they're not there. Don't say that. I miss it. Even when they're young, you never know. I really like this band, Disillusion, and they're like a German band, and they're coming to Atlanta to play this, like, Prague thing in, like, September,

and I'm like, I got to go. Like, they're my favorite band, and I've never seen them, and they're old. I don't know how much longer they're going to be around. I got to go. I'm going. You're going. Unless I can't go. Like, suddenly scheduling comes. I'm like, as up right now, I can't. That's a sick logo.

Whoa, look at that. And the artwork, that's this, is this? Oh, no, that's the different one. There's two. That's dissolution. Oh, like, is that a prog? Man, that looks. No.

The one with Tormento, that's the one. Okay, I was like, this band's fucking death metal. No, they're like progressive, older death metal. It's interesting. Yeah, this looks right. Yeah, is this right, okay. Yeah, this is one of the newer songs, but it's still really good. Okay.

And that guy's my hero, Andy. I think his last name is Schmidt. he's so I want to be that cool when I'm that old you're that cool now I'm not that cool you are I got the hairline I'll tell you I'll tell you I tell you look how cool he is

dude he's playing a lot yeah dude they know what's up man that's one of the best bases on the planet I just got one like right before this tour and it's like my favorite thing you play bass max not usually but on this tour yeah

and last two Yeah, the last two tours. Joel is our, he would fill in for me when I was away with code. And, yeah, we split with the guy that was playing based with us, like, for our tours or whatever. And we were just kind of like, yeah, let's get Joel and I'll just do it. Because I like, yeah, like I was saying, like I had like, my fucking, like brain is like doing this project. It's like, I have this vision, so I'd end up writing like the riffs and all this shit. So like, I already just know this stuff.

It was just easy for me to just play bass or something. Yeah, you know, he just picks it up and it's just naturally a genius at it. It's just slapping all over the place. I wouldn't say a genius. Dude, he's so good. Are you kidding me? It's crazy. It's crazy how good you got.

Don't gas me up in here. Hey, hey, hey, hey. No, it's true. Last year he was like, yeah, he kind of plays bass. And this year he was like, bing, bing, ping, p. That was the first show. Speaking of. That was the first show last tour.

Yeah, that was an interesting one. The show sucked. I did not feel good about that. After playing that, I was like, dude, I can't play bass. It's a big of show. Look at the faces I'm making. Let's go, Derek. Let's go.

That should be like a game. Just like, you cropped Derek's face. Your band's fucking sick. Isn't this the combo amp show? Yes, no, literally. Any other show. Oh, yeah, this was the movie. You were playing out of combo.

What happened? So she didn't have cabs and we were going to share cabs with like Left to Suffer or was it? Which band was it? Left to suffer. What was it? We had a headliner before we got there. And so I think Derek shared cabs with one of the opening bands. And then this was like attached to a music store.

And Alex was like, do you guys have a cab we can use? And they're like, yeah, we do. Well, the venue did say I could use an amp. So I didn't really expect it to be a fucking combo am. I'm like, bro, can I? I'm like, can I even like run through this? They're like, yeah, this will probably work. Anyways, it was a fucking mess.

I was cranky. Yeah, it was funny We had fun, but God, I bet this sounded like shit though It's fine It probably sounded great Yes Yeah, anyway, so it happens

It happened It happened, it happened, and it might continue to happen Yeah, yeah next time I mean, once Thomas makes us get rid of our cats It'll probably happen more That's true Who is it?

I don't know, let's Put them on the podcast Yeah Let's see Hey mom Put them on the podcast Why did you make Alex use this amp? We just got home from the Lionheart tour.

For some reason, I don't know what happened to us. Like the first two shows, we just couldn't get in the groove. And we're a very hit or miss band. We're not on it. We're not on it. And people, like, could really tell. And they were just, like, the standing there the whole time, like, the first two shows. Do you do rehearsing before?

Of course, yeah. At least, like, like, like, a few days before. get in a garage just hem out the songs a few times but then it took a while but we got in you get in your groove you can't fake energy you know it's like yeah oh dude the first show of this tour we're on was really rough it was like everything that like could have gone wrong with our gear

and shit was oh yeah and the vibe I was we were telling you earlier about the Philly show being just awkward with the crowd like they just weren't moving they were just staring at us maybe they could just tell that we were having a weird show it was like a prod crowd yeah I was so shocked by that.

And it was Philly, too. You were like, that was so pissed after that. I'm like, that was a rough one. And thankfully, so we bought an in-ear system so we can like record our sets

and like do like, he's been filming them with like his GoPro's and shit and we can like take the audio we record through our in-ears and mix it with the footage and we put it on like our Patreon and shit. But anyway,

we were like, we got that off stage for that show and I was just like, God, I do not want to listen to that back. And Tom's just like, guys, to hit record. I'm like, thank God.

I forgot to record on one of the cameras, too. It's like, it's fine. Scrap, it, scrabbing. It happens. Never let me see that show again. No, yeah, fuck that way. That was bad. The wirelesses kept cutting out. The mics kept cutting out. Like, everything went wrong. Yeah.

I got on stage, like 35 seconds late. Oh, yeah. I came out too late. I didn't play that time. Oh, yeah, the beginning of the impressionist was just like bass. God. I'm not even. I see you trying to find it. That's not it.

That was a good, Barry. You'll never find that show. Yeah. We scrubbed that shit. Irving Plaza is up there in New York. That was a good show. That was fun. That was fun.

That was the second show, I think. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. New York was popular. New York felt like. Yeah, yeah. Immediately they were going nuts.

They always do. Yeah. That was fun. That's like a hometown for America. New York was good. You are sick, Justin. I think I was sick that show, actually. Oh, my gosh.

I got sick first. That was the beginning. It was like two shows in, and I was just like, guys, I got the tour Ains. No. Like, guys, I'm so fucking sick. It was bad. I think it went around to all of us at this point.

Oh, yeah. It was like a little cool. It was like three weeks. I can finally breathe again. I think we're clear. Yeah. And then Joel got sick twice. Yeah.

Twice? Well, I woke up with like, I woke up with like body aches. And I'm like, oh, oh, I get the next step up. Awesome. Because I'd had the head cold. And then, you know, the next day was fever. But then third day, which was yesterday, it's just gone. I was like, oh, okay.

Shout out to my multivitamin, I guess. Maybe use a different one. Vitamins are important. How has it been touring with the Kim? Oh, it's been awesome. Yeah, that's been sick. Very, very cool. I didn't know much about Kim Dracula

besides the name before, honestly. And maybe the Lady Gaga cover. Yeah. But that was, yeah, I mean, that was about it. I remember looking up all the music and stuff when we saw the offer, because I was like, I got to see if this is like a cool, fit and I was just like this is actually like makes way more sense than I thought it makes

two cents yeah like I've never seen I've never seen any of the videos videos are so people yes that's what everyone says they're like super high production yeah and they're just really fun oh this was the first one I saw oh shit oh my what the Kim is sick bro let's go yeah yeah this was really good let's fucking go whoa okay so so we're talking earlier about this I found out week because to be honest I wanted to get Kim here but then I realized oh no one's heard Kim's voice

so I did as I went on YouTube typed in interview like nothing came up I was like oh yeah then I went on Kim's social media I was like oh there's no talking no no I fucking love that shit oh it's sneaky too

because in the set they put on like a um it's like a bit like the banter in between does like an accent, does this whole like, welcome to America. Yeah, yeah. So you don't know what their real voices. Yeah, I've not

spoken to them much, honestly. I mean, they're super nice, but like it's always just very sure. Which is kind of like the way I am, honestly. Like, if there's like someone I don't know, I'm just kind of like, eh, that's it. We exchanged like 20 words about coffee. That was about it.

Wow. But their brother, really nice though. Their brother Tom talks a lot. Love Tom. Tom's super nice. Always like talking, hanging around. Yeah. Their whole crew is great.

Yeah, the whole crew. I mean, this whole source is nice. I think the package makes sense. Yeah. It's cool. Yeah, I was like unsure at first what the crowds would be like, but like they seem to love us like every night, which is really good. So it's working out.

Yeah. Open money crowd. Totally. Definitely. That's sick. I think just like with all like the weirdness and their music and then like the weird shit we do, it just kind of makes sense. Like we're playing this one song.

Wendred from our last album that has this weird-ass, like, I don't even know you'd call it, like, acoustic... And acoustic bridge, Southern, yeah. Got a slide guitar in there. I'm like, if there's any crowd that it would work for, it was this one, so we get to do weird shit like that. I mean, Kim Drack does

a lot of that, like, genre bending craziness. We need it. We're doing a ballad. How long? I guess it's a ballad. For us it is. Everyone will. They dig it. It's a cool one. It's like got acoustic shit. And there's like this weird industrial rap thing we got in it.

So we had to do, how long? So one of my questions was about that song. Yeah. What? So what is going on in the ending? And what's the story behind that song? He's the story guy. Oh, yeah.

So, yeah, it's like, obviously the generation of danger is a concept album. So that's like the end of the album. But it's also like. What would it ended? The beginning of the album. It's one of those like, because the album starts with the end. you find out how the character got there and then the end is how long and it's like the character's like sitting on like a bridge and there's like a train going underneath and just like he's like reflecting on

all the shit that just happened in the album so it's just like i don't want to spoil it for anyone who hasn't heard it but yeah it's it's really cool i don't think it's possible to spoil it you can say the whole thing but you got to listen to it to it you got to listen to it i did that one take too yeah that was incredible yeah there were three songs on that album i did you do with one take. It was Mudcastle of nothing and how long. And I just went in there and I was just like, I'll just like throw in

some vocals real quick so that we could add like the industrial stuff and then our producer was just like, no, that's the take. It's insane what he can do. Like in the studio too. Like he'll, most people like, you know, verse, verse and then, you know, takes, but he'll take one, like all the way through the whole song. I just go until I mess up and then I'm like, we'll

punch that one part. Right. Like as the raw motions there and everything. Well, you can't really manufacture sure that last part. No, you can't. I cry at the end of the song. I know. That's why I bring it.

I was like into it. Even on stage I hear you kind of like. Oh yeah, one of the sets. One of the sets I got a little choked out. Because when we do it live, there's just one part at the end. I like throw the mic down. I just scream at the crowd as loud as I can. You just hear it like echo and everyone's like, wow.

It's really cool. Wow. Yeah, you can't, yeah, you can't do like a second take of that. No. It goes out, this is, that's it. That's where the theater background comes in. Because I did, like, I used to do, I was in this play in college called Dog Seas God. I got to play the bad guy.

And it was like my first ever time. Like, I have to memorize this, perform it in front of people. And if I mess up, like, I messed up. So when I switched to like doing music, that was my mindset. I was like, you can't just like do a little bit at a time. I'm like, I have to memorize all the lyrics, do it. And then if I mess up, I mess up. And that's just how it is.

And it's in front of people. Yeah. That's cool. Yeah. So you have experience with like memorizing lines. I'm like a deep level. Yeah, I used to really struggle with it. And then my theater teacher was like, well, the reason you're struggling is you shouldn't try to memorize the lines.

You should be the lines. Like internalize it. He's like, when you're trying to do it, don't go line by line and try to remember it. Like play it out in your head as if it's happening for real. And then when I started doing that, you can memorize something like that. I remember it was a 22 with all it remains. There was a show where Phil was sick and they had it like the crowd come out and like everyone could go up. And everyone's like, Justin, you got to do.

one, you gotta do one, but the songs I wanted to do were already taken. So I was like, let me see the list. And there was a song, um, what was the one? It dwells in me. I was like, I've never heard this song before, but I'll do it. So I went in the bathroom and memorized it in like 45 minutes and then performed it in front of like a thousand people. And I was just like, if you asked me to do that right now, I have no idea what those lyrics are. Yeah, no, it's sounded like you like rehearsed it for like, I was just in the bathroom with my headphones going like, that was insane. That was impressive. It was cool. I think yeah, yeah, that one. Everyone was so, everyone was so confused because I come out with like pajama pants

and flip flops and then just like murder the song. They're like, who is this guy? Hell yeah. Yeah, this was it was really cool. So you just internalized the lyrics. Yeah, I just had it and then I was like, okay, here we go. Performed it and then I was like, got off stage and I was like, if you

asked me to do that again, I would not know those lyrics anymore. Bro, look at him go. Yeah, like you need to have your phone in front of you or anything. Flip Flips and sparkly flip flops. Up on the riser. Oh my God, dude. It was so scary too. Because they're one of my favorite bands. So, like, I went up there and I'm like, I'm performing a song I've never heard before with one of my favorite bands ever.

You're a freak. That's crazy. It was really fun. Well, I guess Deeter ended up helping you. Very, very helpful if you're going to be, like, a musician or a performer or anything like that. And Josh Schroeder worked on your first two records, correct? Yeah. And the singles.

Yeah. How is that? I love him. We love Josh. He's the best. Josh is sick. One of my favorite people ever. He's great.

Seriously. Yeah. It's cool. I guess they only hit me until right now because people don't know because he's getting known him because like the Loner Shore stuff. Yeah. And he's doing the science of the swarm that whole death core stuff. Mm-hmm. Do you do Varyl's? Oh, King 8.1.0?

I love the King 8.1.O. he did. Yeah. Like that shit is. What was that right called murder? Chris, can you type in King 810? I think it's murder. Murder. Murder.

Murder, murder. Yeah, what's that record called? What's that one that's fucking bugging me? Scrolled down? I don't know. Yeah, murder something. It's good. Yeah, there we go.

Oh, yeah, okay, I know that one. I should have realized that, yeah. Memoirs of a Murder, that record is fucking sick. Yeah, and I keep forgetting that Josh did that record. It's cool. It has like that fucking, you know, their singer David's a fucking maniac. Oh, he's so cool. That dude's a fucking maniac.

He's scary. Yeah. We've had a couple times where we were like supposed to play with them and then something happened so like the show got canceled or like we just couldn't do it and every time I'd be like oh I'm so nervous He just David Gunn seems so scary You really does, dude Look at this guy I love Josh though He's literally like the best for us because he's like

First off he just like gets us which is great And then on top of that like he's just able to do whatever like if I like explain some like like really weird ass idea to him. He just like knows how to like make it happen and make it work and like like just contribute to it to it like the best version of whatever like is in my brain, which is just crazy. So it's like to have someone that like knows you like that even though like I met him for the first time doing matriphagy and he just got like he just like understood me. He just knows.

He's so smart. Didn't he invent that like thing to make like the snare ping even higher? Oh yeah. All right. So every album we do some weird ass thing to get more ring out of the snare because I just. love the stupid like ringy snare. What did we do? I don't even, actually, I don't know if we used this, but we tried this thing where he put

like, what the fuck was that? It was like some like tiny ass little like mic thing. It was the acoustic pickup. He put an acoustic pickup on the snare and we were like recording the snareing through that and it sounded insane. Wait what? Yeah. He like just take an extra ring.

The acoustic pickup to the snare. It worked though. I think we used it in like some spots or something. But we didn't do it for like the whole thing. What am I doing? You're explaining something to Josh, and he's internalizing it perfectly. Just why you foil it. Hey, Chris, crank that one part? What the fuck are you doing there?

I don't know. What the fuck is that? That's King. Oh, it's just the NIL-the-Mix thing you did? Yeah, that's right. That's right. Hey, thanks, Josh. I guess I'm being a Disney movie.

What were you telling them there? I don't even remember. I don't know. my vocals and sound like this. I want to sound like blast beats. No, Josh is so cool. Like, he just, like, you tell him you want something or you don't want something, and he just makes it happen.

Like, we went in there, and he was like, all right, how do you do your vocals? Is that it? No. No. I remember this video he did, it's like all satire. He looks like Bill Nye or something. He's so, he's like super smart,

but he's also, like, super goofy. I love it. He's awesome. Honestly, yeah. there you go. Tracking with him is, I love it. It's so,

he makes you feel so, like, comfortable, but also he knows how to get the best takes out of you. Yes, absolutely. That is so important for... I feel very strongly that he's got, like,

the best mixes, like, right now. Like, I love everything he does. Like, I just think it sounds so huge. He's got a good ear, too. So, great. There have been times where, like, I, like, was, like,

super unconfinent with one of my takes, and he's just like, no, no, I'm not going to let you do another one. That was the one. And you're just like, I want to do it. And he's like, no. No.

Part of me is always just like, I know like bands always branch out and like try different producers, but I'm just kind of like I don't ever not want to do an album. I know. We love Josh. I just feel like if I did an album with someone else, I'd just be like, hey, it would have just been better if we just stuck with Josh. Yeah, what if we did? Yeah. There's some crazy tones.

Like I was listening to a telescope. Yeah. And I was like, what the hell is going on in the end? Yeah, there's a lot. Isn't there like this? HM2 or something? There's like maybe six to eight layers of rhythms on that. And there's octaves.

There's HM2. There's a normal tone. There's a clean tone. There's an octave higher. I don't know. It's just crazy shit. I've been debating like on, when we do breakdowns. Like I want to have like a breakdown pedal.

Yeah. Like like a boss HM2. Like what is comptiness is just like a fucking chainsaw. I mean that's the sound. Yeah, that's it. Yeah. We're in the studio and Josh was just like we need to get one. He just ordered one from like Japan or some shit to just ship to the studio because he's like, yeah,

Let's just get one. It'll be here in a week. Yeah. I learned that from Ross Robinson. If you do a part, just like throw some crazy fucking pedals in it. It sounds like dirt. It's just like what the fuck? Because it sounds like shit, but I don't know.

There's something about it. Yeah, yeah. I did want to, I mentioned this to you earlier. I didn't want to ask about the Ross Robinson stuff because before we linked up with Josh, we were supposed to do matriphagy with Ross Robinson. Really? Oh, shit. Yeah.

And I think we just didn't have the budget for it to go out to L.A. It was going to be the generation of danger with him. Technically. Yeah, actually, that is actually true. Yeah, we were going to do the generation of danger before we wrote Matriphagy with Ross Robinson. It was supposed to be our debut. So our second album, we had ready to go first. We were going to do with Ross Robinson and then just the whole thing just got shelved.

And like, because the label wanted us to do our EP, no one should read this, which has five of the songs for Matriphagy on it. They wanted to take that and make it a full album. And we're like, but, and they were like, why don't you guys just take songs from that album you just wrote and mix it with the other one? And we're like, you can't because Justin does the concept. We can't do that. So we were like, all right, fuck it.

Well, keep this one for the next album we'll do. And then we just expanded on knowing should read this and did matriphagie. But yeah, we were supposed to do it with Ross Robinson, which I'm a huge fan of his shit because I love all that early, like, Slip Nonic Corn stuff. So I was really curious, like, what it was like when you guys tracked everything. Because I was pretty stoked to see you guys. doing shit with him.

I know like, I guess a lot of people didn't, but yeah. I thought it was cool. I liked it. Now, Ross says he's a fucking special guy. He's a special guy, man.

This is the only, also just real quick. So this podcast with Ross I did, this is the only podcast where I didn't have any questions. Ready. Oh, that's going to cool. Improved him.

Something told me, and I freaked out. Something said, don't you, don't write anything down. Don't, don't ask any questions. It's like I had a voice in my head,

and I flipped out. I was like, you know what, fuck it is just go in there and sit down. And I was freaking out. That makes it cool, that organic stuff. That's crazy. But yeah, Ross is, he's a special guy. A lot of people think that Ross made us do that.

But it was our vision. Like we hit up Ross. We met up with them. Obviously, we're all already in love with them for obvious reasons. And we mentioned, hey, we wanted to do a self-title record. We want to press the reset button. We want to start over.

We want to experiment. And just see it where it goes. We don't care about people listen to it or don't or hate it or love it. We really don't care. And Ross, like, he was a guy. Yeah, he seems like it would be a good fit for something like that. Oh, yeah. And we tried, I mean, I don't know what we didn't try.

Like singing, crazy. You mean crazy your screaming. Fucking cleans, palettes, breakdowns. So, oh, we tried everything. It was fun. Like, Besides the cleansing, our first record, that's by far the funniest record. And most learned the most out of that.

That's sick. And also, we just wanted to learn. Yeah. We just wanted to learn Ireland a lot. And that record got me my confidence back. Yes. I got my confidence back. And then, but then the record came out, and then everything has fell apart.

You know, I didn't anticipate it to fall out to be that much. I liked it, man. I don't know. Thank you. Thank you. So, I mean, I like that shit. It wasn't as bad as people thought. I said earlier that that's the album that made me find out about suicide silence.

Oh, wow. I listened to that. I jumped on the reaction train where everyone was reacting to that song. Oh, no. And then, no, it was cool though, because I remember I, like, made fun of, like, what was going on in the video and I had all these, like, hypotheticals. I'm like, oh yeah, this guy has no idea what's going on the end of this song right now. I was like, he just keeps going. And then, but I was like, no, but the song was good.

And then I just, everyone was like, how can you? say that? And I was like new metal. I thought it was good. And so I bought the whole album like the day it came out, listened to it. And I was like, these guys are actually really good. And then I went back and listened to all your old stuff. And I was like, okay, okay. I can see why people didn't like this. But if it's your first impression of the band, it's fine. It's not a bad album. Thank you. Yeah, it was already kind of going that way. And what really put the nail in the coughing was Geron Dines came out and did that thing. Yeah. And, uh, I was already. I was already. I I didn't think about this until, I don't know about your name drop, but I was on a phone with Dino.

And he asked me about it. I was like, I didn't think about it until that moment. Like, I was always like, yeah, I mean, obviously it was fun. I thought it was genuinely if it was funny. And people were like, like fans who kind of questioned, but I thought it was funny. And we were hanging out at shows. But when Dino asked me, years have passed. And I was like, I really thought about it.

Like, that dude cost us thousands of thousands of fucking dollars. We lost We were already doing kind of We were probably gonna be like Okay we put our bad record It was probably a new one But his reaction dude That shit took off in a

Very negative way To where he tried to come back And like he was in like A La Mida He did like a cameo But people didn't give a fuck Like the damage was done Like yeah

When you try to do something negative You try to come back with a positive It didn't click And we lost And he did multiple cover It was just like, dude, like, we lost a lot of fucking money, dude. And that, like, I moved up in. I moved in with my parents.

I couldn't afford rent anymore. Like, people really like, dude, we lost a lot of money. That's crazy. With that album. Don't tell that to Jared. He loves you guys. He's so nice. I bet he probably had no idea it was going to do that.

You got to have to know something. But, I mean, honestly, I mean, if you could take it back, no, I mean, that, I think that's his deal. I think he I think he's free to do that And if I could take it back I'll be like no do it still I mean that's fuck it Sometimes

In the end of the day It's our fault We fucking asked for it We've asked for it But I didn't anticipate like a And at that time too Like the What do you say

Like the Like the YouTube Influencer thing was still new So we really know Like the influence And the about the influences, the influencing scene, they have, they could, when it's negative, it hurts you.

Yeah. When it's positive, it doesn't really affect you. It doesn't do anything. It's weird. It's really weird. Like people, which I truly, in my heart and my bones, I appreciate when guys like Finn, like really speak highly of us. And Jared has spoken highly of us, but the positive doesn't translate.

It's that one negative thing. It's weird. Everyone's like, wow. But the negative thing, it's a different animal. And people react to it. I'm telling you, I mean, it took us years to recover from that. That's crazy. I'll argue we're still trying to.

Oh, man. Well, now I feel bad. No, no, no, who cares? Honestly, I mean, if I'm convinced, though, if there was any other band, they'll be fucked, but it's us. Yeah. Deep down, we know who we are. I mean, we're not going anywhere. You know, Jared, I still think Jared's a fucking cool guy, man.

But there is reality. I didn't think about it until six months ago when, when, when, when, when, Dino asked me, I was like, he asked me, like, you know, what, really much Jared Dines? I think he's a fucking cool guy, man. And then, well, what happened? And then I replayed it with a whole new perspective of what happened in like retrospect. And I was like, oh, shit. Wow, we lost a lot.

But, dude, shout up Jared Dines. I think, I think he's fucking sick. And honestly, he should do it again. Fuck it. Who cares? Who care? I do. I mean, again, it's, this is, I'm very obsessive, which why Max, I asked you about, about having a vision for, for the band. It's like, because your vision is very important.

And that first brick you lay, dude, it's, it's everything. And we had, even though shit will fall apart, we're still here because that first brick. That first, it's, it's unbreakable. when you have your vision you lay it down right there and you don't fucking touch it you got there there there is no failing yeah you know it's cool and so i respect people that have their that are really that this is it and it has to be this way and then the music comes and then the band comes and then you're playing shows and i really i really highly respect that because having that first break of being authentic dude it's fucking important i feel like people probably get annoyed with how like specific i

with stuff like that, but... Right? They'll probably hate me a little bit, but... No, I think the result is worth it. It is. There's time from, like, he would send me a song, and I would send him back, like, the lyrics to it, and he'd be like, all right, I really like this and this,

but could you do something different for this? And then I'll send him back something else, and he's like, I don't know. I kind of like when you did this in the original one, but do this. And then we end up, like, mixing a bunch of stuff together, and he's like, yeah, that's what I was looking for, and I was like, I don't know what's going on before. He likes it. Well, we started doing that.

with some stuff recently and I sent you an idea and then you're like tried to try different time signature and then all that. Yeah. You try building it like this. That's just how it was that we love for tour. I'm like yeah. When we were doing the cover for like the generation of danger, I sent him like eight different drafts. I'd be like what about this and he'd be like all right I like this try this and then like eight drafts later. He's like that's sick. I remember he knows what he wants. I sent Justin like a really shitty like sketch of like what I was like on a napkin. Yeah, there was some of them I was just like, I don't really know. I was just like, this would be cool.

He's what I see. I was just, but he's like an amazing artist, so he's able to like actually, dude, the album cover's like sick. It's like one of the best covers. You, you did that? Yeah, he drew it all. He did the whole thing. Oh, shit.

Yeah. Justin sits in the back of the van and draws these like incredible, like, anatomical drawing. You look back and he's just like casually sketching this like insane. Well, Thomas is driving. I'm just like, but they're like yeah I love that cover dude I can't out so good

I could do it better now for sure you always see that your brain's always like I always do it better what the fuck that's fine it was fucking sick dude don't worry about it but that's that's what he was saying he like had this napkin he's like all right like some crazy shit here

and then like some kind of weird tentacle thing here and then I don't know I just like when I work on stuff I can like see it in my brain before I even work on it if that makes sense sure it's like weird I'm not trying to like speak like

like highly of myself or anything I'm just I'm just like that's just how my brain is like I can like before I even like write anything I kind of just have the have the shit in my head

What is that? What is that happening dude? It destroyed the Hello Kitty kit Is this your vision? Yeah this is what I'm doing That is Tala in a nutshell That is Destroy the Hello Kitty

Dude that was fun I think I was playing red light or something That's no maybe not You play a slip knot song You played red light. Dude, I played a lot of shit. I think he played a system song. That's sick.

Dude, that was a long time ago. Right. It was like 2018 or something. I think it was 2019. Was it? A lot of years ago. The kids miced up with the singles. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It was 2019. I remember we went on that cruise, and then I lost my glasses on the beach. We lost her glasses. That's fuck. And I had to drive back to Massachusetts, and I, like, can't see without them. So I'm, like, driving, like.

You're driving? Because I live in Mass, and I was in Pennsylvania. Oh, no. I know. That was really bad. That's fucked up, dude. It was scary. Like, I would, like, see things in the road.

I'm like, oh, and my phone was a shadow. I thought it was like a cat. That's one thing God-ass blaspheme with. I have perfect vision. Fucking ancient. Wait a second. I didn't even know you yet there, dude. Oh, my God, he's a baby.

He's me and my dad playing rush, I think. How old were you here? I mean, I definitely was probably, like, somewhere. No, not even. You were probably like 13. When that video get posted? 10 years ago?

Age 14 10 years ago 14 That's crazy You're 14 playing rush Yeah You're like I don't want to play

Frogger again No I'm good on this shit man Oh my goodness We did a cover of that Back in the day Is that before next And that is

No that is During This is before Derek Yeah that's before me I joined later We did a cover of that It was fun I mean it's a cool song

But Like how proud You're dad is I know It's just like That's just like My son playing the drums. Hey Justin, something that I respect about you is how much praise you give Disturbed and David Tremon.

David is a singer that normally talks about, but he's a fucking goat. He's so good. And he's got to be like, what, like 50 something years old now? He still sounds so good. I got him just into disturbed when I was like, I want to say 17, 16. but the first time I heard them I was like 13 my friend I was listening to Weird Al

and Weird Al, how's that song? Weird Al, let's go. Yes. I think it's like the angry white boy poca and it has that part of Down with the Sickness in it so I was singing it and one of my friends Anthony he was like oh yo you like disturbed and I was like sure

so he gives me that album and I'm listening to it and I was like I can't this is scary and I like gave it back and then years later I was like Disturbed Don't you sound check with one of their songs? Yeah, I did last night. I sound check with Guarded. Oh, that's what that is?

Yeah, that's my favorite to Star song. It's so good. I've always wondered what that song was. I want to cover it. I just haven't yet. I was supposed to cover it with this little kid who was like a drummer and his dad reached out to me and was like, here's a list of songs. And I was like, I know this one. And I sent him like my vocal take and they just never did anything with it. I'm like,

is that Avery kid? Yeah, the little drummer kid. And I was like, why didn't you ever upload it, dude? But I lost his email. I lost his email. You're fucked. Dude, having this... I have a really bad hobby of, like, just deleting things. And Max will be like, hey, do you still have this?

I'm like, I literally deleted that last night. That's brutal. Max and I saved everything. And like... I can't... I delete something the second I'm done with it. I'll be like, where's the GoPro footage from last week? And be like, oh.

Yeah, he'll delete it literally like that night. Yeah. Like, I was like talking to him about we were doing this like one, editing this one video. I was like, right, let me get this thing for you to like add to the video. And then like, it was like a week later, I just like hit him up and he's just like, oh, I deleted all that. It's all gone. I'm like, why? Why'd you do that?

No, no, like literally like Thomas said, like the next day. Like I'm left to suffer. I asked you for some footage. You're like, oh, yeah, that's gone, man. Like, I can give you the edited together footage. I'm like, I don't want that one. I want it in the single angle. That's like my advice or whatever you call it.

Like, I can't help it. I'm like, all right, export the video, done, delete. Do you still have the album art or is that gone? It's gone. That's all right. You're going to back that shit up, dude. I have the final product and then it's done. That's fucked up.

That's a problem. That's fucked up. It's really bad. Just put it on like a hard drive or something. Yeah, that's what I do. All the old stuff that I have, like, for like solo stuff or whatever, I'll like, I'll have the working file, but I just keep adding things on to it. So the original's gone. And I'm like, well, this is like, I saved this, but it's not the thing it started with anymore.

That's a pretty cool looking video, guys. Hey. Did you delete this? Is this gone too? Does you fucking trash this one too? He had the footage. Oh, there we go. Yeah, I think you're going.

I still have everything. I have a backup of this. Yeah, we're good. Everything is, I have things from like 2017 when I was forming the band we were like doing shit. Like, I still have all that stuff. Keep it. I made the YouTube channel for Tala and then like we had a few things on it. Like before we were like more popular.

Like I vlogged our whole first tour, deleted it. And I was like, I can see the trend. And then I made Max. I was like, I was like, you're going to be the owner of the YouTube channel. I'm just going to delete things. Dude, I still wish we had that. Because Justin made the vlog, and I remember telling him, I was just like, dude, like, let's wait to make this public. I was like, just make it private for now.

Because it was just like, it was just us playing to nobody. Like, it was like, all the blog. Like, guys were on tour. And then it was just every night, there's no one in the bar, man, which is just just just just. And so I was like, maybe let's wait to make this public if we're trying to find, like, people to, like, work with us. And then so I was just like, just like, just made it private. And then like, Justin was just like, all right, he just elites. I took it the wrong way.

I was like, he doesn't like it. That doesn't even take up, like, can't you upload it and unlist it? That's what I was. I asked him to just make it private. I'm so bad with it. And that was such a cool vlog, too, because I didn't have a laptop at the time. So I had this, like, I think it was a Canon T3I, and the card kept getting full. So I was editing it on the card to, like, make room for more footage the whole time.

And I was like, just came out sick. And then he said to unlist it. And I was like, he doesn't like it, delete it. Oh, my goodness. I was just like We were trying to find managers and agents and stuff And I'm just like dude This is literally just showing like hey

We literally don't like know what the fuck we're doing It's just the whole like video that It would have been great to watch back now though It would be awesome There was some incriminating stuff on it One of our old guitarists like took a shit outside And just cops called on him Hell yeah

He's just like in a pot he's in a cowboy hat I'm just filming him taking a shit There's some crazy shit on that flag I wish that was saved There's some shit Oh my The large marge shit's on there. Oh, yeah.

Oh, I guess we can tell that story. So our old guitarist, AJ, him and I got like super drunk at this Chicago show because no one was there. And we were just, like, it was like Malort or something like that. They're like, you got to do the Malort shot. And I drank one. I was like, it tastes like gasoline. And then I was like, but it wasn't that bad. And AJ is like, you want to do another?

I'm like, sure. So I do another. I'm like, it's not that bad. The bartender's like, you want to do another? It's on me. I ended up doing like four or five shots of those. I got so drunk, so fast. And then our driver Dom stops at a gas station.

Me and AJ, we both get ass naked, jump out the window and run into a rest stop. And we're just both naked. We're just going, and I had on this wig, and he has on, like, a Joey Jordan's mask. And there's just, like, one lady at the cash register and this one janitor, dude. That poor lady. Yeah, yeah. And AJ just goes, be sure to tell him, large marge sent you. And I just go, whirr!

And then we just run out. AJ's going to fucking kill us right now. I'm saying this. I don't say his last name. Everyone fucking knows. It was so funny. And then Dom gets in and we're just like, go, go, go. And you just hear Derek going, no, what just happened?

No. It's like, yo, Dom, we got to go. We got to just get in. That was maybe one of the funniest things ever. But then it was horrible because I was sober and, like, Justin was just still asking to try to climb out of the window on the highway while we're driving. I was like holding it in and I'm like,

bro, and I'm like, hanging out the window. Yeah, AJ was tossing like, like, he's very, he's very,

he's throwing my phone out. I'm like, bro, that was AJ. AJ's throwing peanut butter out the window. He's throwing, like,

fruit and then he like grabs Derek's phone. I'm like, no, no. I was like, charger and everything. I'm like, I was holding Justin's legs

while he was like literally dangling out of the RV on the highway. It was fucked up. Our driver's got his go pro and he's just driving and they're trying to film it like this.

Don't drink Mallort is... That's the moral of the story. Mallort's bad. Hey, Chris, type in what's in that shot. Malort. Just the sound of it's like, yeah, you're... It's supposed to be like some Chicago classic. Well, Mallort's by itself.

Yeah, it's like a liquor by itself. Yeah. It did. It fucked just enough. That's, I mean... It is... It's disgusting. That's why I don't drink.

Like, whenever I get that drunk, I just get naked. Or you climb up. Or you climb up. the ceiling of a venue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I was sober when that happened. Oh, really? Yeah. I remember I got in so much trouble and the lawyer was like, if you were drunk that night,

this would have been so much easier to get you out of it. So what happened? So that was like a hodgeposs. And I won't even make myself seem like the good guy, okay? So I was like back in 2018, 2019, like that was my thing. I'd come in the venues, I'd look around and be like, oh, I can climb on that. I can climb on that. It was just my thing.

So I was like, okay, that's like a, eye beam, it's stable, it's fine. So we're playing, I think it was placenta? Yeah. Oh yeah. And I'm like, hanging from the eye beam, this guy starts pulling me down, and he had security

on the back of his shirt, so I didn't know who he was. I just thought he was some guy grabbing at me. Oh, yeah. So I'm like, looking at him, and then I'm like, all right, I have to come down, but I'm still trying to sing the song, so I'm coming down really slow, and then he just, like, rips my pants. And I was like, this guy trying to, like, take off my pants, so I

kicked him in the face. Then he really pulled me down and he's like grabbing me. I get out like Max like threw a drumstick or something and I grabbed it in midair and like back fisted the dude with it. I go onto the stage. He like tackles me. I like hit the wall and smack back down. He like pulls me into the pit and then like everyone stops playing and I just keep screaming the lyrics anyway and Max is like fuck it and just keeps drumming. And we finish the song and then the actual security like shows up with the yellow security shirts and I'm like, all right, nice, they're coming to get this guy. Because I thought he was just some dude.

And they get me and I'm like, I'm in trouble. I was so confused. And everyone's like filming and everything. So I was like, all right, now I just got to like turn it up. So I like spit in one of the dude's faces. And like, I do martial arts. I do three different martial arts. So like they like pin me to the ground outside and I keep like getting out of the lock.

And I'm like, you're going to have to do better than that or I'm going to get up. All three of them are like on me on the ground. People are still filming. Like this cop shows up. arrests me, but I wasn't arrested yet. I'm just, he just, like, removed me from the situation. I would have been fine, and then I gave him a fake name. I told him my name was Carl's Jr.

What the fuck? And then they bring me to the station and read me my rights, and I got arrested. They're like, sir, the fake name thing was actually your biggest offense. That's, like, super illegal. Until then, it would have just been, like, just get this guy out of the bar. Carl Jr. Yeah. That was.

You couldn't think of anything. Anything better? It was just the first thing that popped into my head. And then Max comes out with my bag and the guy takes my license and he's like, it says here, your name's Justin Bonnitz. And I was like, yeah, that's me. And he's like, why did you say your name was Carl's Jr? And I was my stage name.

Oh, my goodness. It was too late, though. So then I got arrested. And then I'm in a holding cell for like four hours. And then they bring me to jail. And they didn't tell anyone that they brought me to the jail. So the band shows up the next day and they're looking for me. And they were like, oh, we were.

released him. So they thought I was just like wandering around Lancaster, Pennsylvania, but I was just in jail for like 16 hours. That was like, sitting there. Yeah. They told us, they said they released him at 3 a.m. but they transferred him to a fucking like prison or something shit. Like the county jail.

And so, and we're like, where is he? And they're like, he got released and we're like, he doesn't have his phone or anything. Like, how the fuck do we find him? Very unprofessional. There's no phones in Lancaster, Pennsylvania. I never want to enter that town or whatever again. Lizard lounge. Yeah, they got closed down in COVID.

That was fucked up though. That guy didn't have a security shirt on or he had like a black one. It was on the back. It was on the back. Everyone else had yellow security shirts. So wouldn't I didn't even think that was guy was security either. Like I just saw some dude like pulling Justin down and like hitting him and I was like what the fuck's going on? It's so

funny. Oh. Oh. No, that was a different one. That's a different scenario. That was a situation. All right. So. This was fun. There is another time. We're in North Carolina. Well, this is just a true story about your band? Yeah. Oh my goodness.

So we were in North Carolina. This was on the tour with all their remains and it was raining and they tried to make us put our merch outside and I was like, are the other bands going outside? And they were like, no, like you guys need to go outside because they oversold the venue. What was it called like the Blind Tiger? Blind Tiger, yeah. And I was like, I'm not going outside unless everyone else goes outside. Like that's so fucked up.

Like we're the opening band. You're just going to make us go outside in the rain. And so they're like, we'll give you a tarp. So they put a tarp out there. There's holes in the tarp. I was like, our merch is going to get ruined. Like, we have, like, vinyl and shit. So I end up getting into, like, a screaming match with that guy.

And then, um, he lies to the ATR's tour manager. He's like, this guy over here's throwing a fit. And I'm like, you started screaming at me first, motherfucker. Oh, yeah. I want to from, like, zero to 100 because he just got super aggressive. He, like, starts grabbing our merch and I, like, smacked it out of his hand. I was like, no, you're not taking our shit. We're not going outside.

eventually this other security guard comes out and like pulls up a shirt to show he has a knife and I'm like oh are we going here and then the other tour manager guy shows up and he's like what's going on and like the dude lies about it and eventually all the bands went outside and then when we were on stage this guy's like I see him like talking to people and like pointing at me and then like everyone starts moving around and like martial arts instinct starts coming in so I take the mic and I'm like I think these guys are going to jump me will you got will the fans escort me to merch? Oh, shit. And I had like 20 people bring me to merch and then like everyone was standing around me all night because I was like, I don't trust this guy. And then like a couple months later, that dude, he shot and killed a teenager at the bar at the venue and is in jail now. And I was like, that could have been me. Yeah, it was fucked. I mean, that guy was like agro is all hell. He was so aggressive.

Well, like not only that, they were carrying. They were armed security and they weren't licensed to do so. Yeah. They weren't even like with the venue. They were like a hired security team. Yeah. It was so. story's crazy because like the vet view was like

fucking unbelievable it was wild yeah it was nuts yeah I mean security don't get along I could like at all there's been so many times I'm just like dude like just let me know what I'm gonna do I'm not hurting anybody

I keep telling you yeah yeah yeah when they're good security what good security yeah what did you think honestly when you saw this article come out dude the first thing I thought of was like that guy could have shot me I was like I could have been him because he got so aggressive at a no

And I was like oh my god like I'm one of those people I'll like match your energy So when he turned it up to six I was like okay I'll turn it up to six and then he went to ten and I was like all right if you're gonna get a screaming match with me I'm the vocalist of tall like you're not gonna win And so I turned it up to 12 and then that's when the guy came over you were like on stage too It's like I got a mic now or something like this video I've got the mic he said like a bunch of homophobic slurs to me and ever like it was yeah It was fuck you were talking bad shit on stage It was awesome. I was so angry.

Because that day I was wearing like a crop top and like booty shorts. So like he sized me up and was like he's like look at you. Like you know, and I don't want to repeat what he said. But he said some shit that was like super disrespectful. And then I got turned up even more. And I was like, I'm on the mic now, dude. And I kept pointing at it. And like they were like, you're going to inside a riot.

Blah, blah, blah. Like you have to do this. And I was like nothing even happened. Like there was like a fight that broke down like three bands later that had nothing to do with us. Justin, you literally dodged a bullet. Yeah? Literally. Literally.

That's what it's... Needless to say, now when security talks to me, I'm just like, all right, I'll do whatever you want. I don't care. Usually, okay, so we'll go into the training. Usually when people train martial arts, usually it calms them down. It seems for you, there's the opposite. I mean, so when I was a teenager, I had really bad anger issues.

So I started doing Bucci Khan Ninjitsu. I did that for like six years, and that calmed me down to where I am now. Wow. And then my cousin told him my car. I couldn't go anymore. And then I switched to Moodiquon, Taekwondo, and Junkie Kwan Hopkido. So it's like, I have all this information. I can do all these things.

And usually we're good. Alex saw it at the San Francisco show. Like, I'm calm. There was this dude. He kept asking for my credentials. I was like, I don't have them, but she has hers. And I'm literally in the bench. She'll vouch for me.

I thought the guy was joking. He was just smiling. He's like, no, man, I need your credentials. Well, and then you get like, Justin, who turns it up quick and, like, I'm the second most hothead So the two of us, I was like, oh, fucking I was like, I wish I saw that. And I was just like, I was like, dude, like she has her credentials.

I'm the singer of the band, she'll vouch for me. And he's just like, no, I need yours. And I was like, I was like, can you talk to the production manager? Like, he knows who I am. And he's like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll talk to him. And I was like, okay, go. And he's like, oh, I'd have to leave my post. I need your credentials.

And I'm just like, I'll like, I will pull up an image of the fucking, like, band. I'm the singer of the band. He's just like, can't let you in. And I was just like my credentials were like in a merch tote and you know how we pack our van Everything's in the back. It was at the bottom and I was just like all right. I'll go get my fucking credentials Slam my bag on the ground slam the dog with throwing shit out of the van. And then the production manager or Thomas or someone shows up and yeah Thomas comes up to me. It's just like Justin if this happens again

Just call me it's fine and I'm just like dude I went up to the guy after I apologize to him I was like dude it's nothing personal it's not you I'm just upset with the situation I was like, dude, like, just let me into the venue. Yeah, we won't talk about that venue, but it was brutal. Yeah. The entire show was just, everything about it was just, like, not fun. I just have a really short fuse. I'm good until I'm not good.

And then I'm so bad. Well, at least you're getting better. Even Kim's team had, like, problems getting to security. Yeah, Jaros Johnson. So we were talking about what happened, and then Jaros Johnson's team walks into the green room, and they're like, what the fuck's up with that guy at the door? Because Jaris Johnson gave him his credentials and then went back out and forgot them in the van. And the guy's like, where are your credentials?

And Jarrett's like, I was just here. My face hasn't changed. Holy shit. Oh my goodness. It's just I don't like, like, I'm good with most security. I don't like it when people take their job too seriously. I'm like, dude, I get it. You love your job, but chill the fuck out.

Like I'm not here to cause trouble. I'm just trying to get into the venue. It's like that like abuse of authority that just drives you mad. Exactly. Like the same thing happened with the guy. When I got in the fight, I was like, dude, I'm just hanging from an eye beam. Like, leave me alone. The building's not going to come down.

It's not a water pipe. And then with the other guy from North Carolina, I was like, dude, I just don't want to stand outside in the rain. Like, why are you doing this to me? That's what triggers me is like when people are like control freaks about it and try to get me do something that's just super unfair and I'm just like, I don't understand this. Now I'm upset. Sure, sure.

So I take it you've been in a fight. I've been in quite a few fights. Okay. How old are you? when you had your first bite? 15. Okay, it makes a lot of sense. Yeah, there was this kid, and he just, like, kept pushing my buttons,

and then he shoved me, and I just, like, punched him in the stomach, and I had no martial arts trading at this point, and I just kept hitting him in the head, and then the lady called the police, and I used to work at this, like, it was, like a ranch in Florida, and, like, the police showed up, and then the lady who's supposed to, like, look after me, because we're minors, she's just like, it's fine, it's fine,

the police don't need to be involved, and they left, and she was just, I got suspended. Oh my goodness. And I was just like, bro, he pushed me. Like, come on. Wow. Well, Justin, you come a long way. Yeah.

It's cool. I think the worst thing I ever did was in high school. There was this kid. And for some reason, he thought that if you hit two ballpoint hammers together, they would explode. And it's just not true. So I was behind him doing it. I'm like, dude, they're not going to explode. And he was like freaking out.

And he got super embarrassed. So like a couple hours later, because it was in like an electrician shop class, he like pokes me on the shoulder I look around and he punched me in the face and I was just like I'm not going to do anything I got to chill out I don't want to get in trouble and I just kept thinking about it for like two days so the next day I came in I had this copper wire

I heated it up and I wrapped it around his arm he got like a second degree burned they called the cops I got expelled from the school I don't even know I knew that was like eight years later my friend and I we were just like sitting in a parking lot and like it was like a dealership

and this cop shows up And he's like, I need your IDs because you're not supposed to be here. And we're like, we're not doing anything wrong. He comes up. He goes, Justin, what's up with the assault and battery with a copper wire? And I was like, that's still on my record. I was 16. A salt with a copper wire.

I like it. You were just, you were just brewing for like two days. It does. It does. It's, it's, it's, I'm a little unhinged. Like, I'm a pretty good person. I'm super happy. I'm the happiest person I ever met.

I just have a really short. fuse. But you had the opposite side as well. Yeah. Like my mom, super explosive. Shortest fuse I ever met. My dad is like one of those people really long fuse and then once it happens he's like flips the table. And he's like a big dude. And I'm like

all right, so I'm in the middle. Like I have a sort of short fuse and then once it happens, I'm like your band's fucking sick. That's a sick headline. This has a sick headline. That's a sick. Tallest fucking badass. I was so fucking mad. Oh my God. Look how old that fucking

Wait, was that the naked show? Yeah, that's when you were quote unquote missing when they just... No, not... Oh, because that's a different one. Oh, you're talking about L.A. No, not the naked show. We got banned from the Viper Room. The Viper Room, that's the one.

Thanks to Justin, yeah. Oh, my goodness. Are we allowed to talk about that one, or will we get in trouble? In L.A., of course. I don't fucking care, man. We got banned from the Viper Room. So we had this show at... It was like Johnny Depp's Club.

And I was wearing, like, a unicorn onesie with nothing but a thong underneath it. Okay. And I had been known for like, I would just take everything off and just run around in my underwear. And I had never gotten in trouble before. So I was like, all right, it's fine. So this show, I started doing the same thing. And I was like, this is Johnny Depp's club.

And we're like, there's a guy at the door who kind of looks like Johnny Depp in disguise. So I was like, I'm going to take it off. And then I was just ass naked running around. It's really funny looking back. It was so pissed. The band almost broke up over this. Yeah, yeah. Wow.

I was like swinging from this, like, pipe and like, beating my chest. chest and it was the last song and I remember the like the person who owns the venue was like why didn't you shut off the sound it was a new sound guy and he's like who's their last song and our old driver Dom he has all the footage and like it's

like hidden because we don't think it's gonna be on we're gonna like wait like 10 years because we didn't give it to you to delete it yeah yeah exactly someone else kept it it was pretty bad and so Max was so mad at me and I should have got arrested that night too it was 21 plus we're good

It was 21 plus. That's part of the reason I did it. But, like, I had, like, a really bad gimp because at the beginning of that tour, I had done a front flip with, like, a blindfold on and, like, came down and, like, cracked my ankle. So I was, like, walking with a limp. And the lady who, like, as at the door, saw me

at the beginning of, like, doors. So she's like, oh, I couldn't have been this guy. So afterward, I come downstairs, and she's like, and I'm like, yo, what's going on? She's like, the singer of this last fucking band just got naked. We called the cops. And I was like, oh, that sucks.

How do I get out of here? And she's just like, oh, right through that door. I was like, thanks. And she's like, have a good night. So I'm like, limp into the RV. The cops show up. I just go in the RV and I'm like, oh, my God.

Yeah. I definitely should have got arrested that time too. Fuck. Well, I think you're my new favorite band. Yeah. That was sober, too. Oh, my God. Pretty much all of this was sober except for the more at night.

Yeah, Justin doesn't get into too much substance. Yeah, like, I'm sorry. I'm not, I don't claim edge, but like I really don't drink. I really don't, like, I don't do drugs. I think the drowning pool tour, I did some shrooms just because I like never did them before. And I want to try. But like, I'm just not like into drugs. And I just have like a really bad temper.

Fuck. Like, it has to be the only time I don't get in trouble is like I have to feel it happening. And then I'm like, I got to go. And then I'd leave and I just like walk around in a circle for 10 minutes. And I'm like, all right, we're fine. We're good. Ery goose fava. but if I let it get to that like boiling point

I'm like it's too late whatever's about to happen I'm about to spend 10 years in jail I'm like I'm okay with this it's worth it Oh bro It's bad I know when it's coming too Everyone knows because you can just

He goes nonverbal It's kind of scary Yeah Yeah He just doesn't talk I'm like hey Justin what's up And he just doesn't look at me And I'm like

I'm like get the fuck out of here I'm just gonna leave And then you get in 10 minutes And it's fine The energy and the room changes It's happened on stage a few times And like you said earlier, you can't mimic it. So it's like we just have these like shows where something happened.

I'm pissed. And like I don't say anything on stage. I'm just performing. And then all of a sudden I'm like ripping my shirt off and like clawing open my stomach. And like I call it. You can see the scar. I got Derek one time. Oh yeah.

I just went up and just reopened it up. I'm like, bro. It's so bad. And then like he kept it together at that credential show. So I'm proud of it. Oh yeah. I warned everyone. I was like, I'm not going to say anything.

I'm not going to say anything. I was like, bro, just next time call me, I'll talk to production, it's fine. Having Thomas here is like, he's just been like tour managing pretty much, you are very level-headed. He's the way to say it. Yeah, he knows how to handle things really well. He knows how to handle things really well. It's like, call me.

It's going to be all good. It's fine. The guy's a cunt. We'll just deal with it. It's all good. You know what, trustin, you are a perfect example of you don't know the person and you don't know what they fucking know. Like if I saw you, like, that guy is. There's no shit about fighting her.

He didn't train. I did three different martial arts. You don't know. It's like when people, when you talk to someone, it's just stupid. You just don't fucking know. You don't know.

And like, I don't want to like flex, but like I do these martial arts and I'm also like really fucking strong. Like I squat, what was like 375? All 400. Like I'm really strong.

So I'm just like, but here's the craziest part. I haven't been in a fight since I started doing martial arts. So now I'm like, I don't know what I'm capable of. No, there was that one time. Remember that time that's good.

You remember that time at the New York show where that there's people kept like crowd killing and like they weren't they weren't like respecting it like they would crowd killing you're supposed to put your fist out and you're like I'm here and this like person just kept doing it to me and I like I moved and I like I moved and I'm like okay so they came and did it to me and I just like threw them on the fucking ground like a judo throw and then these three like six foot five dude start swinging on me and I just blacked out. That was the weirdest thing I've ever seen. He's got a video. He's got a video. of it. Like I wouldn't believe it happened. Like it was like a hardcore band so their set was like 15 minutes long and like they thought I was moshing. This mini fight happened I don't remember it at all

and then for like 10 minutes you just see me standing there like this and anytime someone got near me I'm just like going like this and like it was so fucking crazy standing up but passed out it was really weird. It was like I was unconscious but I was just standing there and any time like someone got near me I would just like grab them or punch them

or something I thought you were trolling dude it was so bad And then all of a sudden, I think Melody came over and hugs me. That's his sister. And she goes, Justin, you're okay? And I just go, and I'm just like, what the fuck happened? All of a sudden, there's sets over,

and I'm just like, what the fuck's going on? Dude, he was, you were tweaking after that. That's the only way I knew you weren't joking was when you were, like, actually, like, tweaking out about it. It was like, what the fuck just happened? Like, you blacked out standing up, like, in, you were like a self-defense. Yeah, like, crazy.

It was like an animal. It was crazy. And then they were like, are you okay? And I was like, I don't know, my jaw starting to hurt. My head's starting to hurt. I think I might have got a hit. Our old guitarist Eric, his dad was like a doctor and he looks at me and like did the thing with the little eyes to make sure I didn't have like a concussion. And I was just like I don't know what happens.

Oh my goodness. So that's why now like when I feel like the anger coming like that, you know, Chappelle's seeing red. I feel it coming and I'm like I just need to leave. I need to leave. Dude, having the screen right here is just like it's too distracting for me. I can't keep looking. I'll keep looking over. Well, thank God you're in a band.

Yeah. I mean, like I said, I'm the happiest person I know. I just have a really bad temper, but I'm like, okay, but I'm in this band doing this really angry music, so it works. Let it all out. On stage, it's like we're not really acting. Like, it's just like, ugh. What, don't we know where to go from here? Any closing thoughts?

I don't know. We're not scary. We're not that scary. Just don't tell Justin he can't do something and you're good. Okay, there you tell him not to do something. he's going to do it and then probably hit you. Listen, we got one show left tonight. Let's just, we'll get through it.

No one's fighting security. It'll be good. It's fine. Knock on wood, knock on wood. And don't give them any shots. Yeah, no. No, Malar. Just one. Tonight, just one.

Last show, come on. And now if you want to see a bare ass. I don't know, man. Let's you want to see a bare ass. Hey, Justin, Justin, you ever heard of Everclear? Oh, fuck. No. No.

Is that the closing thought? Everclear? Don't give Justin Everclear. Check out the latest song. Oh, what was our last song? Hard knock was the last one? Yeah.

Hard knock. Yeah. Cool. We got another single. I don't know when we're dropping it, but it's ready. They're ready. Some point, man. Sick.

So we'll be looking out for that. I can't say a date because we don't have one. But at some point, I'm looking at the cameras. At some point. It'll be out. And that's the artwork in the cool video. Oh yeah, that's a little... That's me right there.

Look, he's eating a fly. Yeah. Let's go, John. So where can people find you? Anywhere, you know, Instagram, Spotify, YouTube, Apple Music, whatever, wherever. Yeah. Title. Dizer.

Yeah. What, do you say? Deaser? Does anyone use that? I don't. I haven't met one person. I haven't met one person. Dude, I listen to all my...

music on Deezer. Someone does. So have a platform. I used rap city. I got bought it. Whoa. Yeah. Rap city.

Well, Tala, I appreciate your time. Thank you for being here at 9 a.m. Thank you for having you. And also, last, thank you for letting me being your band for an hour and a half. I'm truly honored. Yeah, dude. Thank you. Any time.

All right, everyone, that's it. Later. Bye. Bye. Nice, that stuff.