Garza Podcast - 124 - ENTERPRISE EARTH: Writing on the Road, Experimenting & Healing Through Metal

Episode Date: April 15, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with American deathcore band ENTERPRISE EARTH. Catch them on tour now! https://www.enterpriseearthband.com SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB ENTERPRISE EARTH is: Travis Worland - Vocals Gabe Mangold - Guitar Brandon Zackey - Drums Dakota Johnson - Bass CHAPTERS: 00:00 - Living the Nomad Life 06:05 - Writing the Album In a Lake Tahoe Cabin, Taking Mushrooms 09:26 - Drinking at Disneyland 13:21 - Suicide Silence Cabin Sessions 15:55 - Writing The Ending of “Blood and Teeth” In a Walmart Parking Lot, Clean Singing 20:27 - Travis Contributing Piano, Guitars and Singing to the Music 23:48 - Kiss & Bruce Springsteen, Playing Cover Songs, Learning How to Improvise 26:18 - Blue Devils Drum Corp 32:10 - Travis Did Gymnastics, Injuries, Terrible Coaches 38:56 - Dakota Being Diagnosed With Cancer 44:56 - Metal Connects People 49:45 - Gravity Bongs 51:51 - Caffeine Addiction, Vaping v Cigs 59:21 - Smoking Mar*juana, Self-Doubt 1:03:07 - Listening to Sad Music 1:07:03 - Death: An Anthology Writing Process, Opeth, And Justice For All, Writing Long Songs 1:10:58 - Fan Reaction to “Blood and Teeth” 1:15:19 - Sleep Token & Lorna Shore Becoming Successful, TikTok 1:17:20 - Band Longevity, Surviving Through Tough Times, Having a Strong Foundation 1:20:33 - Meshuggah is Every Band’s Favorite Band 1:21:59 - How Brandon Zackey Balances Enterprise Earth & Whitechapel 1:25:10 - Enterprise Earth On Tour Now, OJ Simpson

Hey Chris, can you turn off the music? We have fucking seven dust blasting in the background. I was like, wait, where's that music coming here from? Oh wait, I turned it on like a fucking idiot. Oh my god, I like seeing a nightmare. What is that shit? That was like the vegan pizzas that they give out on tour. It's like shit.

Enterprise Earth, it is an honor to meet some of you for the first time, you know? Absolutely. Gabe, it was the first time that I met you? It was, uh, you came to It was the Shadow of Intent Show in L.A. Oh, yeah, that's right. And I think, yeah, because I think you were hanging out, and I just shook your hand real quick. Or Ansel Theater or something like that?

Yeah, I think, I think so. Something like that. But we met, like, real briefly at that show, I think. Yeah, because you've been in Colorado, right? Yes. Okay, cool. Yeah. Why did you move out of Pittsburgh?

So I've actually, I've been traveling for the past seven, eight years, doing, like, the nomad life thing. I, like, built a camper trailer, like a 7 by 16 cargo trailer, much like we all would tell on tour. and just build it into a camper studio thing. I got pictures on my Instagram, like, if anyone wants to see. But, yeah, I've been traveling out of that for seven years, and then I've been visiting this place in South Central Colorado called Del Nort.

It's this little tiny town of 1,500 people and just fell in love with the area and settled there. My buddy built a house, invited me to move into the bottom floor apartment. So now I can have a formal studio building that out instead of my tiny camper studio. But yeah, it's fun. I like it there a lot. It's peaceful. Hey, Jay, can you tie that up, please?

Are you idiots? Oh. Idiots. What meet you choose that? So I moved... Oh, yeah, just have to sign in. Oh, yeah, just have to sign in. Instagram.com slash death metal gypsy, is my username.

I don't know if that will come up or not. But I... Great name. Yeah. I moved to Taos, New Mexico. which is this tiny little mountain town in northern new mexico like this quaint hippie mountain town yeah and um i just fell in love with the lifestyle i like i was an east coast boy my whole life like never really ventured out west and uh just got exposed to like the mobile living you know dirt bagging you know as we

would call it in the climbing community too and uh i just fell in love with it and lived out of my Subaru forester for like six months you serious yeah i like built a bed in the back and just did that for six months um you're just like fuck it i'm i'm just go out i'm just go out travel He was like tour life all the time. Literally, yeah. And then I did that, moved back to Pittsburgh for a little bit,

built my camper trailer, Nessa, and then lived out of that for another six years. Recorded, produced our last couple albums out of it, and just did it that way for a long time. And then did it for as long as life directed me to do it until life directed me somewhere else. It directed me to this tiny little town in the middle of nowhere. And I love it.

So it's great. are you just following like intuition or like are you like planning this are you not planning what are you doing it's not there's no real plan man is just just following with it

just going wherever I need to be wherever I'm supposed to be and just just trying to enjoy life that too you know I've been it was the best seven years of my life so far you're a fucking psycho that's my truck that's a more recent picture so if you go to my

that's not how I lived every day but it's not going back there was actually less clothes when I lived every day typically but um it's a very breaking bad it's a very breaking bad

kind of this is a recent trip I took my girlfriend oh that's cool the wine outside man yeah that's so fucking sick if you go back to my profile

on like my story save story things at the top or whatever that's a happy guy dude that's a happy guy if you can get Gabe outside in the least amount of clothes possible you've never seen him

happier. It's like I'm drinking wine outside. I play metal rips, dude. There's like a safe story thing at the top called the rig and there's a series of pictures of my trailer whenever it loads or whatever. But yeah, it was fun. I did that for six or seven years.

The best six or seven years of my life so far. So far. So far. Yeah. But that sounds kind of insane to me because you guys already live like kind of out there life. like you're touring and stuff

like you're already traveling what's the what's the band called again the RV the cruising across America Cruise America yeah yeah so you're already on there is that and that's just not enough for you well it's I guess like home life is different than tour life you know it is you know

you know you're somewhere new every day you're eating McDonald's a night you're doing this you're doing that you know but drinking too much drinking too much you know but at home you know I'll when I'm out camping I'll be somewhere for like two weeks to like a month straight, you know, and just post it up out there just doing my thing and just me and my dog and hanging out writing riffs

and smoking weed and looking at the stars. You know what's inspiring? Just looking up at the stars. So wait, you recorded in this thing? Yeah, our last two albums were mixed, mastered, recorded. Yeah, drums too, everything. I was kidding. I was like Brandon's pissed, dude. It's like, I'm not putting my fucking drum set in there.

The first single that I did with the band we recorded in there. And then we did the next two songs that we did it up in Flagstaff. I was living in a mace at the time. So I just like drove up. Whoa. We did the thing. I slept in the back of the van. And then woke up.

We would record again. She did the same thing. Then we did two more singles in there. And then what like finished up like one song and like a couple, a couple random odds and ends for the new album. Yeah. Yeah. Because we did the rest of it in an Airbnb.

Yeah. But yeah. I've done a lot of stuff. in that room. There's wild. My dog in the rig. There you go. That's wild. Giro. There's Giro. That is wild. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy.

Okay. So now I'm a little bit confused because because you were, because you wrote music in nine days in Lake Tahoe. Yes. Okay. Was that in that? No. So we ran it a cabin. So you guys got the cabin.

So we got a cabin. Basically, I took all my gear out of that and brought it into the cabin so you know we can be in one space and not be crammed in that thing whose idea was that for the cabin i guess it was all of ours yeah i think i think i mentioned it because i lived up there at the time and i was like we could just go out where i live i never been there everybody go up here so yeah i grew up like near sacramento um and it was yeah it was easy because i was like well let's just i don't know i only have to drive an hour you guys all have to fly in anyways so you just fly in here and then we can just drive up there and yeah because we all flew in because i

I was traveling down in California anyway. So, like, my rig was out on the West Coast. So I was like, I'll drive up and fly you in and pick you up. And, uh, yeah. We had talked about how to do, like, like, writing and recording, like, out in the woods anyways. Because I've always kind of loved that idea. Just like, let's go haul ourselves up in the fucking forest and, like, write a cool record. And so that's what we ended up doing.

It was sick. Yeah. But how did you guys do it in nine days? I think. Well, because you wrote like, what, like, like, probably 80%? Like a good bulk of, like, like, the stuff. Yeah. Yeah.

I would say about 80% was written. I came in with like a four or five half finished, three quarters finished things. Riffs here and there. Travis had some ideas. We all had ideas that we came in with. And then we just basically got together for this. Like the nine days, it was just, it was probably like the most prolific period of creativity. I've ever had my entire life honestly.

I've never been able to like create so much stuff at once. Except. Except for it. Yeah, there it is. We get there. We're like the day one. we were about to start writing and I brought like mushroom chocolates. Oh my God.

Dude, like I can microdose just fine. Gabe usually is just fine. But he took like just the baby's little bit of this. I want to do experiment. Yeah, I'd never like written like on mushrooms before. I was like, I want to experiment. Let's do it. Let's do it.

This is at the time. We're at cabin. We're going to write their signs. It's going to be sick. He like takes a little bit of these fucking mushroom chocolates and then he's sitting there with his guitar in his hands. He's like, I think I have to go lay down. I was like short-circuiting.

I like nothing was happening and I'm like starting to panic because it's like I'm at the computer and they're all like watching me like waiting for something to happen. Shit, shit, I'm blowing it. Everybody knows. That worst feeling in the world. That feeling fucking sucks. And then I went to go lay down and I couldn't sleep too because I'm just like stressing out like mildly tripping.

I'm just like laying in the bed like fuck I'm blowing it. I'm blowing it. I'm blowing it. this whole nine days. But then that passed and later that night we started writing stuff. And the rest of the eight days were incredible. So this chocolate is like a thing.

Yeah, stem. Wait, is that stem and cap chocolate? Yeah, there's like so many different brands and you can get them from fucking all over the place. But they're great.

There's like different like intensities and shit too. But I like just taking a little microdust of those little guys and I do a Disneyland shit. And just like, yeah. I've always wanted to. Because I have a, so I mean, we're about six miles away from Disneyland. We're very close.

So I like going there and it's drinking a lot. And just walking around. Yeah. It's just something about walking around Disneyland that I fell in love with since I was. People watching. Yeah. The people watching. I used to go a lot when I was a kid.

And then I hadn't been in years. And my brother hit me up. This is like a couple summers ago. And he was like, hey, like, what are you doing this week, whatever? you, me and our homie, he's like, let's just go to Disneyland and fuck off for a week. And then, like, our buddy lived down there and he had, like, a beach house and shit like that. So we were like, all right, cool, let's go do the thing. And I hadn't been in hell long.

And then, of course, when we go, we just brought like a shitload of edibles and those edible mushrooms too. And we were just like, dude, blasted, just walking around for hours. It was like, I can't be here anymore. There's so many pee. Yeah. I was just going to say that. Like, I mean, I grew up around here. So I remember when I was a kid and, you know, you'd go.

on like a Tuesday and it's like raining or something there be nobody there you know you can go on every ride in like 10 minute weight max the last time I went so my roommate works there so I can get in for free uh but last time I went there it was like pouring rain and there was still like over an hour wait for every single ride it was crazy yeah it doesn't matter what day you go on what the weather is like now it's always gonna be that's a show right see that's a fuck it's like who's playing fucking you two yeah let's go yeah there's all you're right no matter you're right no matter what, like, that's always been the key, like, I never go on a Friday or Saturday. Like, that's just a no-go.

I think it doesn't even matter anymore. It doesn't even matter. Yeah, it's like, you can go any time of year, any day, it's just, it's going to be crazy. Yeah. It's one of those, there's like a few things on this planet where, like, no one cares about the service or price. Disney keeps going up and up, and we keep fucking paying it, dude. Everybody's doing it. It's like, yeah. Yeah. Data's, like, you walk,

you like, you walk to, like, pay for a ticket, and you see the price, you're like, well, I'll pay it. like shit. Jay, look up prices, please. It's like buying a shirt and fucking Metallica show.

That, um, pizza, uh, pizza delivery's the same thing. Uh, airport's the same thing. Like,

dude, yeah. It's just like the service. They just got you. They, they fucking got you. Especially with buying shit at the airport, like,

dude, even just like energy drinks or something. It's like, what are you gonna do? Do they take it is 310 for an adult? Yeah. Oh my God. And that's just for one park, too.

Oh my God. If you want to go to $3.75. Yeah. It's only over $20 cheaper for kids. Yeah, yeah. $20. Yeah. $375 for a park.

And you got to, you got to the parkhopper. Yeah, because what are you going to do? Because California Adventure, that's for, that's for all the alcohols at. That's what I want. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. That's all the boosies. Dude, they've got some like vodka pomegranate fucking like cocktail thing.

Those things will send you over. And those beers, I like the, uh, It's in the food court. They have like that, they have a beer truck. Yeah. I like, I prefer, like, heavy beers. And it's like IPA, it's like like seven to eighths. Triples are really good.

And you can't drink them like normal beers. And you got to tell people that you're with, hey, drink this. It's cool, but don't drink it like you're drinking a fucking like Medella or something. Or like, take your time with it. Like, have this, enjoy it, see what it does to you. because naturally it tastes good you just want to down it but it's just it's never it never ends well it never ends well no fuck that dude yeah people watching is have fun and then and then they're also watching us yeah yeah because look because look out we fucking look right

it's all i i think that's a band yeah yeah guys got long hair and tattoos those looks dude oh my goodness never go away what's dude it's cool it's cool to hear a story about you guys going to to Lake Tahoe getting at the cabin, actually getting work done, you know. Yeah, it was cool. Hey, Brandon, I'm not sure Mark told you the story about our cabin experience. I think I've heard a few.

Real, real quick. I mean, so when we're riding the Black Crown, Mark had the idea. He really wanted to go to a cabin up in Big Bear. Yeah. During January, I mean, snowing up in Big Bear. Yeah, Big Bear's great. They're cool.

So we got the cabin ready. We're driving up, which is, I mean, the road up there is really sketchy. And you need to put chains on your tires, which I'm pretty sure you got you got it done. And finally get there. So I started snowing. So most of the time you're locked in. Like you're snowed in. Yeah.

So we're there for a month. We drank more handles of vodka than we did right. riffs. It was a complete disaster. How many handles of vodka and how many riffs? I think we had nine handles of vodka and we would like we would like collect them.

So you see the damage. So you want to see you like damage, you know? And like, yeah, you probably wrote like fucking no more nine riffs. It was a we got a song. and a half boys great job yeah yeah we were we were a mess dude and that's when me and Mark really got into like superior drummer and try to find a new way to write

music because like hey we can't get in a room together anymore this is we just be Russian winter all over yeah we just wanted to party man it was it was it was it was a good time though yeah we had fun when we did it too and like I think after the after the initial like all right let's see how long it takes for us to like actually start putting songs together and like I don't know get like the creativity out because I feel like half the time you'll sit down you'll start playing something you're like this sucks like I don't even know how to play guitar anymore you know you just like get those feelings sometimes so once we like got over that whole section of it and started actually writing it just fucking poured out which is really dope because we ended up with like pretty much everything done by the time we left besides like like odds and ends like tying things like together transitions, leads, stuff like that. Except those risks that we wrote, we wrote a couple riffs in the Walmart parking lot.

Oh yeah. It was right after. I got a phone call and they were like, hey, so we changed the end of the song. We know you really wanted it like this, but we're in a Walmart parking lot right now. We just felt like this is going to be cooler. It's because we were at the cabin and then we got news or something. A huge storm was coming. And like, they all had to fly out the next day.

So we're like, all we don't want to get snowed in up here. Like, let's just, we'll just leave a day early, you know. So we go back down to SAC so they can get to the airport. And it's like cold and like raining and stuff like that down there. And my fucking heater broke when we were in the parking lot. So my heater butt busted as soon as we got there, the heater in my trailer. And then so we're like turning on my propane stove to like heat the rig like an old man, you know, and stuff like that. I didn't even know about that part.

But we have Travis wasn't there for that. But we got there late and their flights were super early. We're like, all right, we might as well just stay up, you know, and just like try to get these couple things done. So it's like three, four, five in the morning and just kind of get smoking a little weed and like trying to finish these riffs and like ended up writing some of like our favorite parts of the album. Like in the fucking lot inside my trailer. One of the heaviest sections of the record. Yeah, it's wild. Which part is it?

It's the ending of blood and teeth. Like the riff keeps dropping down. You want the end of blood of teeth and a Walmart parking lot? You know what you fucking kidding? Yeah. No one can fuck you guys That is

Next level That's like the one song I wanted to talk to you guys about And that's like a shocking Let's rip into it Was there like That song There's something else

About that song It's a little bit more like Emotional Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah Especially like

Lyrically And I thought that I saw that was What Your most recent single? Yes Yeah Okay yeah

And you guys are getting Some some shit for it. Oh yeah. Anytime. You start anything? I don't know. Like,

has a death core band ever started a song with a piano intro? I don't know. I mean. Don't stop believing. Don't stop. Don't stop believing.

I consider Slice the cake, like someone of a death core band and they start with piano shit every now and again. But it doesn't sound like pretty like that. It's always like kind of fucked up. And like that's always like creepy piano.

Yeah. Like very like, yeah, there's like a specific thing to it. But no, that one was super fun. I mean, like, I grew up playing piano a lot. Did you? Yeah, I, like, so I, like, took piano lessons in church when I was a kid and, like, stuff like that. Yeah, and I always, like, just planked around.

My dad's had, like, every kind of instrument you can imagine in my house, like, ever since I was born. So I always had, like, a keyboard or a piano around, so I was always playing around and shit. I've never been, like, super good at it. But I'm able to just, like, write very basic things on that. there. And so we were in a green room in Fort Worth on the Shadow of Intent Tour and there was a piano in the green room and I was like, fuck you guys, I'm sitting

the piano, don't bother me. I just wanted to like chill for a little bit. Wow. So I just sat down and I started playing what ended up becoming the intro and Gabe was like, oh, that's cool, let's use that. So we like took a video on my phone and set it on the other end of the piano and then took a video of what the intro was and then...

Hey, is it in the very, very beginning? Yep. Okay, Jay, play the first 10 seconds. It's a If possible. Yeah. So Travis had that And then I kind of

added a couple more notes in between To make it sound like Journey. And then we had Yeah. Yeah. Oh,

this is why people were pissed. Oh, yeah. Do fuck them, dude. Yeah. This is sick,

man. Everybody comes in They're like, oh, like, as soon as Travis joined the band, there's just a bunch

of fucking singing everywhere. I'm like, did you listen to the last officer? Yeah. They're singing all over the show. Yeah, I'd sing differently.

That's it. But, I mean, I don't know. I, like, grew up playing in a bunch of metalcore bands, and I fucking love metalcore and, like, all kinds of, like, singer, songwriter shit. So I was just like, fuck you guys. If this song needs singing in it, I'm going to fucking sing on it. That's great, man. Yeah, it was cool.

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Yeah, I started my first metal core band when I was 13 with my older brother. And I played my first show, I think when I was 13 or like right before I turned 14 or some shit like that. And like, I've just been playing my whole life. I didn't start doing vocals for bands until I was like almost 16. And I was like, I had always played guitar. And then I was like, fuck this. I want to do vocals for a band. So I would write all the music and then have my friends play the guitar parts live.

It was me and my buddy Jacob. And we just started this band together, wrote all the shit, and then have like different people play every show because it was whoever was available to do the thing. It was like, I just want to hold a microphone. I don't want to hold a guitar anymore. I'm lazy. Yeah, straight up. Yeah.

But I've always played guitar and was able to contribute riffs to the album and stuff too, which was fun because I haven't been able to do that. like another band that I've been in really in a while. Casket of Rust, right? Was it your riff? Like the first? Yeah. Yeah. There's like two main sections in Cascot of Rust that I wrote when I was like 15 years old and it just never like made it onto an album.

And then I ended up playing it on Gabe's acoustic when we were like out camping. And it was like, yeah, we were in Canada with fucking Casey from Angel Maker and we were just like hanging out around a bonfire. That's cool. I was like playing this like eerie little like acoustic thing. And Gabe was like, that's cool. we should we should like use that I was like dude I've been sitting on this for like 10 fucking years

like yeah we should use it I'm tired of playing it what's the part it's this intro right here yeah it's here yes this is another one we like travels with playing it and then I add a few more notes here and there you know embellishments whatever spice it up and then it takes off from there

made it more journey this one came out more OPETH this was like sprinkling OPEC on it and there's like a big like DIMU blast beep riff that comes in like a minute or so later and that that one I had also had for like 10 years. It was just like

yeah cool let's put it in the song I bet it sounded great like around like the like the bonfire. Yeah oh yeah it's cool. Yeah it felt like SkyRum bro it was nice to do it. Because he was like riffing and then we were all like jamming out and then I like we would like mouth like orchestra parts over top of it and like on the riffs over it and stuff Oh wow. Drum fills and stuff yeah drum fills and then we kind of like

formed the structure of the song more or less like around the campfire and then got to writing it like what a couple months later whenever that was that was that was like a significant amount of age right yeah oh yeah because we were up there in the summer yeah that's right yeah that was almost a whole year later that we didn't get to until we wrote the song actually so because we just didn't have time to get together to do it yeah your band's fucking crazy dude man I need to set my game up dude You're like, you're like all over the fucking North America. It's riding, getting trailers and parking lots of campbacks.

I'm rethinking my whole career right now. This is fucking cool. We're just to kind of get it done wherever you can get it done. Damn, dude. That's fucking sick. And all, I mean, Gabe, for you, it all started what being, your dad took you to your first show when you were five. You saw Kiss, right? Yep, that was my very first show when I was five years old.

My dad took me to see Kiss. And then shortly after, it was Kiss and then shortly after, was Bruce Springsteen. Ooh, the boss. It was like my first two impressions of rock and roll, you know? Dude, so I'm like, what is this face paint and makeup and this guy's run around on stage for three hours straight and like Bruce Springsteen. Run around on stage for three hours straight, barely drinks water, like what the hell's going on?

Just sweating. Just sweating. But yeah, that was like my impression of rock and roll. So like, yeah, it's just kind of, yeah. It seems like that that really like stay with you for sure. Yeah. My dad's been a musician his whole life, too. Yeah, he plays a saxophone and sings.

Oh, sick. So I grew up, like, playing in a cover band with my dad, too. Whoa, really? Yeah, we would do, like, 80s, 90s, today's hits, rock and roll, stuff like that, you know. Everything from, like, Van Halen's TV rave on, dire straits to, like, Green Day, you know, and stuff like that. It was fun.

Also, I mean, that's how you learned how to rip, like, just fucking... Well, it goes, I mean, all those gigs are you would improvise solos, you know, because we would have the structure of the song, And then when a solo came around, or especially if we're doing like a blues song, then yeah, you just go for it, you know, sax solo, guitar solo, bass solo, whatever, you know, and just have fun.

So it was fun being in a cover gig in that way because I feel like it was a good way to like build confidence as a musician because you were forced to like explore, you know, and improvise and all that stuff and figure shit out. There is something about improvising. There's a, there's, I don't know, I came up by my fucking finger on it. There's something about it.

You'll like, you like, it's a lot of garbage, but, but you'll, like find something. You'll like keep, you'll keep this thing forever. Yeah. Especially like when it's like a live so like live improvising is different than practicing too. Because you know, when there's an audience you're performing, you'll kind of like get into the groove of something. And then you'll just, once you sink into it, you know, like it's just like, okay, cool. And then you go for a little bit and just try to stay there. You know, every now, every now and then you'll fall out. But then you come back in and, you know, get a little better every time. I don't know as long as you hit the right note after.

Exactly. As long as you're hitting that, that's right. Or if you play the wrong thing twice in a row, people think you did it on purpose. Exactly. As long as you're doing it with intention. Yeah, exactly. It's right. I think the thing with improvising, too, is you just have to be ready to fall on your fucking face, you know?

Yeah. That's part of it. That's part of it. You have to just accept that that's a possibility. That's the nature of the beast. Yeah. Yeah. Brandon gets to improvise every night on this tour.

It's true. I got a fucking 16 bar drum solo. Do you really? Has to figure it out. So what you just... I mean, I could have wrote something, but I would just, been winging it every night. It's it.

It's cooler like that. Damn, 16 bar. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, right. Isn't it 16 bars? It's like, yeah, it's like four times with that phrase. It might be 32 bars. I don't know.

I don't know. Anyways, whatever, fucking. But it's a while, though. It's pretty fun. Yeah, I mean, you fucking, I mean, you've been playing drums as what, you're nine. Yeah. That's fucking crazy. A little guy.

Do you fucking playing on pots of pants to being in the school marching band? To playing, playing what? Were you in the blue doubles? Yeah. Dude, that's crazy. Can you, can you give me some, some information on that? They're, like, a very, like, prestigious, like, like, drum. Yeah, it's top two years.

Yeah, it's, like, a drum corps, which, I mean, basically, it's, like, a glorified marching band. But they, like, it's not, like, related to a school, specifically. It's kind of, like, an independent organization. Yeah, organization. Like, what's the word I'm looking for, like, nonprofit? Yeah. It's, like, a nonprofit organization. But there's a whole kind of, like, network of them.

I guess like a, it's almost like the NFL, but it's called DCI, right? I mean, it's Drum Corps International. And it's like a bunch of these nonprofit groups that are independent of schools and stuff like that, ages basically from like 16 to 21 that do this. And then you, yeah, you tour around the country and they compete and stuff like that. And the Blue Devils is one of the like consistent top ones. And they were pretty like world renowned in the marching world. We were talking about this the other day.

Oh, because Gabe's girlfriend was like, oh, I knew somebody who like did like one of the drum. course. And she's like, you were in the blue dolls? I was like, yeah. And she's like, oh, I don't really know about it. But I was like, yeah, it's one of those things that if you are in that world, it's kind of like a celebrity status. You know what I mean? But it's a small world, but it's like, if you're in the marching world, everybody knows who the blue devils are. You know what I mean? Even I knew who that was when I was a kid just from like other people like hearing about it and shit. I was like, oh, damn. I was going to say, if you have a friend that plays snare drum, you're going to hear about it. Any marching band nerds. I will know. Isn't, isn't like, the drumline

like 150 people? It's like a big... Well, no, the whole group is about 150 people. And that includes like the horns and the pit and the color garden stuff. That's a lot of, dude. Yeah, 150 people, dude? Yeah, so they...

To tour around on like, you know, usually it's like maybe like five, like charter buses. Dude. Yeah. And there's like a whole... Yeah, there's like a whole like semi truck full of gear. Then there's like another semi truck full of food. You know, it's like a huge thing.

Yeah, it's kind of crazy. So you were torn before you were torn. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. It's a different. In a way, it's harder, and in some ways it's easier. You know, because it's like, on that, it's like, you know, we were touring on, like, charter buses. So if you were, if you got a long drive, you're usually sleeping sitting up.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's not like you could lay down or anything like that. That's like my first tour. And there's a way more rehearsal, too, involved in this. You know, we would rehearse, like, probably like, this is the Blue Devils last year. So this is the, like, more current group. How much does a set of tenors way, too?

Oh, I don't know, probably like 40 pounds or something. Yeah, so you're just walking around, doing all these with, like 40 pounds attached to yourself. Usually you would rehearse like maybe if there's no performance at day, like there's no competition that night, you'd probably rehearse like nine hours. Nine hours? Yeah, dude. It's like it's usually like a three hour block launch, three hour block lunch,

or dinner, then three hour block and then you're done. Jesus. Yeah. And then if there's like a performance at day, maybe you rehearse three to six hours and then you go to the performance. Yeah, it's beast. That is dedication. Yeah.

Yeah. How do you, I mean, you have to like, like, control. control like this 150 person human chaos. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. There's a lot of moving pieces, literally moving, you know? Yeah. And it's like so spread out that it increases the difficulty.

You know, it's not like we're on stage with any ear monitors in. It's like, beep, beep, beep, we know when to hit. It's like there's no metronome. I mean, we rehearsed at the metronome, but during performance. Yeah, how do you start like a song? There's like a conductor. Like a, it's called the drum major. Okay.

He conducts. Yeah. So when you actually get into the performance, it's a lot of, you have to watch because You're still spread out that, you know, say you're like 100 yards apart. If you, if somebody like way over here, it goes like, all right, one, two, ready, go. It takes time for the sound to travel. So it's going to be super delayed. That's a lot of anticipation and, like, staying back.

It's crazy. If you literally had a snare drum 100 yards away and you went, bop, bap, bap, bha. And then tried to play after that, you'd be like, got, got, got, got. It's like how delayed it would be. You know what I mean? It's pretty nuts. Yeah. Yeah.

So how do you time that? Nine hours of rehearsal. practicing but also watching because light you know and sight travels way faster than sound does and sound even at a small distance of like 100 yards is delayed you know what I mean but light is like instantaneous you know it travels at the speed of light right you know so you use you watch so then you know you know

you know and yeah so it takes I mean obviously it still takes a lot of rehearsal and stuff then there's that makes a lot of sense now yeah it's crazy yeah that's I mean it's one of those things that like Like, there are certain things that you have to dedicate that much time to to be really fucking good at it. And, like, doing nine hours a day of rehearsal, that playing fucking drums will make you pretty goddamn good at drums. Well, that, who would have thought? Yeah, right. Like, and the Blue Devils is such like a, you know, it's like, it's like the Yankees or whatever where they're so consistently good that there's a very high, like, expectation.

Yeah. High standard. You know what I mean? And they treat you like professionals. It's not like they, like, baby you. But it's very like, if you're not, like, getting your shit done. it's going to be a thing. You know what I mean?

Yeah, it's going to be a thing. You know? And it's almost the thing where it's like it's not even said, it's just expected. You know what I mean? It's like once you get there,

it's like, all right, everybody's here with a job to do. You know what I mean? And if you don't get it done, you're also fucking everybody else up. So like team mentality. I did gymnastics for like six years. Oh, fuck.

Yeah, it was crazy. And it was the same thing. It was like the whole like, it's an individual sport, but it's also a team sport because if you don't do well, your team won't place very well.

Yeah, dude. But if everybody else on your team doesn't do well and you only do well, then, like, cool, you'll get medals for whatever event you did well in. But your team's not going to place on the podium at the end of it. So you have to, like, it's very weird to, like, put that whole thing into perspective with, like, if I don't do good, I look like shit, but I also make the rest of my team look like shit. But I also want to beat my team. It was like weird. Yeah, it was like a whole thing because you want to like, you're competing against yourselves too. So interesting.

Yeah, we did, we did like, I mean, during. competition season. It was like kind of the same thing. It was like six hour practices a day. I was like fucking like 10, 11 years old. Yeah. Like crazy shit. And that's like full body. Dude, this is full body shit like what like gymnastics must be exhausting. Yeah. Like what kind of moods like would what do you do? All kinds of shit. I mean that you can still do a backflip. Yeah. I can still do like backflip. Yeah. It hurts my hip, but I can do it. It's like what's like a what's like a common move that you did? Like what's like a what's like a common move that you did? Like what? What's like a what's like a common move that you did? Like what? What's that move called? It's probably like like a sequence. Yeah, so like on on floor, there's like, like backhand springs is like something you'll see everybody do. Okay. Backhand springs? Yeah, backhand spring.

Okay. Backhand spring? Okay. Yeah, there's stuff like this. I mean, we used to do like double flips and shit too and like all. My older brother did it as well. He did it for like seven years. He was a lot fucking better than I was.

But yeah, stuff like that. and then like giants on the high bar were like you're literally just holding onto the bar like swinging around on it the whole time and then doing like crazy flips off of it and shit you get fucking hurt doing that stuff too it was wild what's the oh sure what's the worst injury dude i uh i broke my collarbone when i was five i knew it was five years old and i went i went to like jump and like put my hands on the edges of the thing and swing off of it and i missed one of my hands on the edge of the thing and swing off of it and i missed one of my hands and hands and I landed right on my shoulder and it just fucking snapped in half and like yeah I remember it's like I don't really remember a lot of stuff from being a kid but I do remember breaking my collarbone

yeah it seems a pretty sentient moment I was like oh fuck I'm a person I can't imagine that yeah one of the things is like you don't think about using it but I bet you once it's broken it's like I can't do like yeah I had to wear a fucking figure eight brace and I felt so fucking stupid on like

this tiny ass little kid and I wanted to like hang out with my cousins and do shit outside but I'm wearing this brace it's really like a figure eight and I had to just like like a bubble boy yeah it was so stupid and then like one time I fell off the pommel horse and I landed on the side of my head and I like scorpion sideways oh no my coach came up he was like can you feel your fingers and toes right now it's like I don't know yet man yeah stuff like that like back pool was crazy shit it was fun but yeah I was like I mean most most gymnasts are homeschooled because you have to like practice so much So I was homeschooled and did this whole thing.

But I was literally in my gym every single day besides like Sundays basically for anywhere from like five to eight hours, depending on whether my brother was practicing that day or not too. And then I would go home and play guitar. It's so crazy. I said at five years old. Like how hard they train kids in that sport too. It's like, ridiculous.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I started when I was six. And I went until I was 12. And then, yeah, and I mean, that's just how it is. But, like, dude, you're, like, coaches sitting there, like, making you fucking cry and shit. Oh, my goodness.

It's, like, it's kind of tough. Like, we had one coach. We've had, like, Olympic coaches before. Like, this dude, Garde Young, he was a 2004 Olympic silver medalist, and he ended up coaching at my gym. Oh, damn. And then this guy, Ron, he was fucking crazy. Super sick, but he was kind of crazy. Did you have, like, any crazy Romanian?

Dude, no, but there was this Russian guy who coached. a gymnastics team in the bay and he had the most gnarly fucking eyebrows and we all used to make fun of I like yeah I'm like seven years old and we were like dude this guy could probably like sweep the floor with his fucking eyebrows

because they were crazy yeah but yeah that's fucking guard young oh I didn't know he is at BYU now that's wild yeah fuck that guy he sucks he's a fucking piece of shit but

this podcast is gonna come back to him yeah I fucking hope so yeah he treated him older brother like shit gars a podcast man it's fucking awesome he bet he better share it dude yeah right yeah absolutely yeah so we had like Olympic coaches and like other coaches who like didn't do Olympics but they were really good and this one dude totally different guy but he sucked fucking ass but we would make fun of him

because he would have this vein underneath his eye that would pop out when he got mad oh yeah he would always say frustrated not frustrated and so he would just tell us he's like I'm just so frustrated We start fucking laughing And be like, all right, 100 pushups And you guys are gonna do laps for 30 minutes And like, we do like super crazy conditioning Or like boot camp week in the middle of June

And just condition for like four hours in the heat And yeah, wild stuff. So it was it was brutal. I cried more when I was a kid doing gymnastics Than I have ever as an adult. Are you kidding? Yeah. Yeah.

But it also, it like instilled a lot of shit in me That I've been able to use Disappointing. Yeah, absolutely like being a musician and especially like doing something as hard as like doing vocals for a fucking hour for like an extreme band because the whole idea of like like I can't do this like I can't do this last song you know like everybody's had that experience of where you're like I don't know if I can make it through one more song like sure I'm about to fucking pass out it's either too hot or tired of me two days ago dude yeah that was us in Mesa at the fucking Nile

I don't know if I can do this and now it's hot but it just gives you that um That it just puts that kind of discipline in you where you're like, no, my body's capable of more than my mind thinks that it is and crazy shit like that. Yeah, it's cool. It also fucked up my joints, but I don't matter. I know. I mean, you'd older, like, all the thing that happened when you were young and a kid or 20s is it's like you start feeling all these aches. Yeah, it just creeps up on you. It's crazy.

Yeah, it's wild. I woke up today with a fucking sore neck. Like, God damn, it just catches up on you. Yeah. You just slept slightly wrong. Yeah. You were on the edge of your pillows. So,

sore for two weeks. Something, dude. Dakota, have you done anything crazy when you were a kid? Honestly, I just had a pretty cool childhood

growing up. My family was pretty close and everything like that. I would say that my life was pretty normal until I turned 16 and I got diagnosed with cancer. And that kind of changes

the trajectory of everything for me. Um, you know, like I made friends. I lost friends during that period. Um, lost friends. Yeah, yeah, for sure. Most definitely. Uh, it's kind of weird how many people like whenever it gets to something super real like that just won't show up.

Um, but then other people that you would never expect to show up, show up. Wow. And they're totally willing to just support you through that. Um, so. Yeah. Like moving forward, it's actually helped a lot with like, even just resilience for like things like this, you know, like, I definitely don't think I could be, like, doing anything like this if I didn't go through that experience, just because of the fact that, like, I honestly

think I was set up to be, like, a pretty normal dude. Like, I'd probably just be, like, coding or something like that. Yeah, exactly. But, you know, that kind of, like, showed me that this really is, like, the one time we get to do this, like, on a very serious level. And I, like, had, like, a huge talk with my parents and my friends. I was playing in a band at the time, like a deathcore band. You guys were gods, dude, straight up.

I appreciate that. Yeah, dude, we were literally just ripping all your riffs. That's cool. Thank you. Yeah, it, like, definitely, like, showed me that I could do it. So, you know, I just, like, hid myself in my room, went dime back, Darrell on it, practiced guitar like fucking four hours a day. That's cool.

And, you know, 10 years later, like 13 years later, I guess, here we are. I'm in fucking California hanging out with my friends. Still kicking. Got a great woman at home. Life is good. You know what I mean? So that's honestly probably the craziest thing that's happened when I was a kid. Because like I said,

other than that, was just like, you know, smoking weed out of a fucking two liter or like something stupid like that. A tinny. A tinny. Carved it out myself. Not even that it happened once,

but it happened twice. Three times. Three times. Yeah, I was going to say it was either two or three. Wait, what? He beat cancer fucking three times, dude.

Three? Oh, yeah. So what, so you went, into remission and then came back? What was, uh, yeah, five years later.

Uh, so I had five types the first time. Um, four of them could be taken care of with chemotherapy. And then the, uh, fifth I actually had to get surgery for. Um, but yeah,

it goes six years later, you know, I like played in like some weird pop band out in like Columbus because, you know, it seemed like a good opportunity at the time in like 2017. I like live my life, right, for like five,

six years. Um, just doing everything I can do to like make music and like keep relationships and stuff like that. And it was weird because the moment I moved back from Columbus, I just had a feeling like, I should probably go get a checkup. I haven't done that in a while. And they were like, oh, shit.

Yeah, you got to come back. So, dude, I've got like a fucking scar, like, from like here to here on my stomach that they've had to cut open twice now. Dude, it's brutal. It looks cool as fuck, though. I'm not going to love it. Like, it's sick looking. Maybe the next album cover. Dude, straight up.

We beat down band now. You will show up to the Enterprise Earth at the tryout. I'm sorry I'm sorry Tim we can't say no to that so you're 26 now um what is it how old are you so 29 29 okay yeah

dude what was it like being a child 16 you're a child man yeah for real like what how do you take that news? I mean like I've thought about that a lot but at the end of the day this is like my experience you know what I mean so like I don't really try to hang myself up on that like

oh well how have other people been different growing up versus like how I grew up because like if I do that I'm just gonna go down like a dark hole like we're all like doing this you know what I mean we're all like trying to live the human experience and stuff and mine was just different and so I'm just trying to roll with those punches as much as I can without like dividing myself too much from other people because if I do that you know I'm gonna be like well you have a bit through what I bit through what I bet through? You don't know that shit you know what I mean like on a deep thing you know I'm gonna be like well you have a bit through what I'm gonna be like you know what I mean like on a deep level, like, you never know what someone's going through when you look at them or, like, seeing people at the store and shit, you know, it's like... You don't know? Yeah, you have no idea. So, like, take it fucking easy on people sometimes. You know what I mean? Like, as easy as you can, you know, I'm a human. I get pet. Dude,

last night when I lost my wallet, I fucking lost it. I've been trying my whole life, but I went when I was like my wallet, dude. They went over. They fucking, they pranked me, though. It was funny. It was funny. As soon as it, like, dissipated, it was like, I'm still pissed, but

like, it's funny. Oh my god, dude But yeah, bro We're all just like Rolling with it Whether it's making music Or like you know Designing websites

Or fucking being a construction worker Like if you If you like metal Like I think honestly That was like what got me through it Because like every day I would just like Put metal on In my fucking headphones

And my mom didn't like it And um You know Made it through that experience Made a lot of friends You met Tedric from Sangui Sigabog He's like one of my fucking OG Best friends

Nico from Knocked loose We grew up going to shows together And they were all the ones That were like Their threat experience Which is weird I thought it was gonna be like my school friends

And shit But it was like this community Of hardcore and metal kids I was going to shows Like fucking bald as hell No eyebrows And these dudes are just like Give me hugs and shit

Yeah it was awesome Yeah it's sick So like at the end of the day Like dude we're all doing this Like and if you're a fan of this stuff Or make it You know what I mean That's what's important to me

at the end of the day as far as like trying not to again try not to divide myself from other people because like all these random people were fucking really cool you know what I mean at the end of the day I think that's part of the thing too is like like the metal community

has gotten so many people through like so many crazy fucking things just by like all enjoying the same shit like I don't know I mean I can like I feel like you can speak for so many people with just that example of like yeah my other friends didn't give a single fuck about what I was going through but some random kid at a show was like yo dude yeah like it's cool just come hang like everything's sick we got it you know yeah like

tray from mouth for war wrote that song for his sister yeah you know what i mean yeah that's a that's a that's a heavy fucking story but like the fact that he put that out there like people like that fucking song absolutely mouth for war is a beast band by the way you should listen to that Colorado love great great band too oh yeah very sick everyone in that band rules too I've heard 10 to the chest either 10 to the chest i've recently heard that banning him so now you you should peep it uh it's pretty brutal um it's the same dude's mouth for war yeah 10 to the fucking chest dude so sick what a fucking ban him that dude's that's a sick band him that logo was that song glassed in the face or some shit like that dude they're all crazy yeah it's so

sick and then mouth of war mouth for war yeah they're on tour with spite and body snatcher right now Yeah, they're in Europe. They're crushed. That's sick, dude. Yeah, so beast. It goes to show like, because you look like a healthy, I guess you could say normal person. I'm very unassuming. But no one's, let's get talked to you at an extended period of time, they really don't know what you've been through.

Yeah. Again, that's everybody, you know what I mean? That's like, that's why like I like working merch with Travis. Like, we're doing our own merch on this tour because normally my girl does it, but like, we'll still. come hang out and talk to people on like any tour. And like that's why I like it because you really do never know it. Like someone's going through and like maybe the show is like a release for them in some way. Or maybe they've been looking forward to this for three fucking months because like they're stressed about school or work or like a relationship or some shit.

I mean we've had people like come up. I'm sure like so many people in our industry have like shared this experience. But you'll have someone come up and tell you like, yeah man like you're like oh hey, do you enjoy the show? Cool. Thanks for coming out. You know, hope you had a good time. And they're like, yeah, I just had like a family member die recently. And like this is like the only thing that I could like think to do was just like go back to a show and listen to heavy music.

And you're like, fuck. Yeah. I mean, like I would do the same thing. You know, like that's like that's if that's where you feel safe and that's the kind of thing that like makes you feel good about life, then that's what you're going to do. And like, like, you legit like never know what someone's going through. We even had a dude like come out last night and he's like always super cool. we always see him when we're in San Diego and he's like yeah man my fucking house just burned down we're like fuck man like shit just happens all the time and like and I mean it's also like like bad things happen

to good people bad things happen to bad people and bad things just fucking happen so it doesn't like it's like it just always will fucking happen and you just never know what people are going through and shit so like yeah I mean it's fun working merch because like we're always trying to have a good time we're always trying to just like be super happy with people it shows like I don't know every time I've like been to a merch table and someone's been a fucking dick. I'm like, dude, it just ruins the day. It's like, oh, dude, you are representing this right now. Yeah. And you really, you really

don't ever know what someone's been through that day or that month or for the past 10 years and you could be the one thing that like sets them off. And there's a line, you know, we're not, we're not therapists or anything. Yeah, totally a lot. Again, we're normal. There's a level of individual responsibility. But like, if you can spare like 20 seconds,

you know, that, that guy didn't really talk to us a whole lot. You know what I mean? He was just like, yeah, fucking sucks. Yeah, there's a few minute conversation. And they just went back to like being a dude. Yeah. You know what I mean? Like, and that's like all you need to do something.

He was like, hey, I brought weed for you guys. They were like, yeah. Yeah. Dude, he's real as hell for that. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Holy shit. Yeah, so moral of the story, be fucking nice to people.

Exactly. That's very true. That goes a long way to spin. It's fucking cool to people, man. It goes, it goes. It goes a long way. And you know, it's really not that hard, you know, just to be just kind to your fellow human being. That doesn't mean you gotta be like corny and be

friends with everybody either. There's a fakeness out there for sure. Yeah. Yeah. 10 minutes ago, I'm like, yeah, fuck that guy. Exactly. It's still. Yeah. Yeah. Because sometimes it's still fuck that.

That's traffic. That was all of us in our friends' basements when we were 16. Exactly. That was me at my homie's driveway down the street from my house and then I like walk back sideways. I couldn't even walk straight getting home. Hey, Jay, go up, Jay, go up.

Okay, DIY grab bomb. That one. There we go. That looks safe for sure. What the fuck? Come on. Dude, the first time I hit a gravity bong was out of a five-gallon bucket. And I was like, what the fuck?

I was 15 years old. And I sat on another five-gallon bucket. And this dude's driveway just pouring fucking drool out of my mouth. And I was like, I can't even walk. It's just fucked up. I can't. I forgot how to walk. Yeah.

Oh, my goodness, dude. The fucking first time I smoked I have a bong, I think that was 21, 22, and like the classic, like, cough in your... You need to call the hospital. Yeah, exactly, yeah. It's a classic, like, embarrassing. Is this what I'm supposed to feel like? Yeah, threw up. Oh, yeah, dude.

Always. Like, first time, always. Late out for a long time, I got up, threw up. I need help, guys. Dude. One time I almost fucking died when I was stoned because I was eating. cereal and it was like some fucking like honey bunches of oats type

shit or whatever like a lot of very dry texture. Too texture. Yeah right. A lot of dry small pieces and someone made me laugh and I inhaled it. Oh wow. I was so high that I couldn't like finish the motion of swallowing. Dude I couldn't do anything. I couldn't tell anyone that I needed help.

I like couldn't get it out that I was like, yo I'm choking because I was just so stone that I was like ah. I just kept up. My friend's girlfriend was finally like, yo dude your face is so red, are you okay? It was like, I'm gonna die. Making the tennie right now.

Save you, fucks. Dude, that's the way it goes. Get that Alzheimer's, yeah. That is not. A foil lid? It's a foil lid. Are you serious? See, I've never done it with the foil.

I've always done it with like a socket. Socket too. You like burn the hole in the bottle cap and then you put the fucking ratchet socket in there. Yeah. That one's even worse. To anyone watching this, don't do this. It's really bad.

Yeah, dude. Yeah. Biobole. Microplastics in your lungs for sure. We have the technology these days. Those were macro plastics at that. Oh yeah, yeah. Macro plastics.

Like galvanized metal. Macro, dude. This, speaking of macro, on the drive up period, I was thinking of, so I heard that like, Gabe, like you drink a little bit when you're home or when you're on tour. It kind of made me think like, how much why I drink? And then I was like, you have like these, sometimes you have

micro addictions yeah for sure I was like shit it was like damn I fucking thought of that do micro addictions yeah like a

patent alcohol I mean even things like coffee like on tour like oh I have a huge problem like especially in Europe like I don't drink coffee at all when I'm home

I'm more of a tea guy like this isn't Duncan this is macha like I brought my hot water from Duncan to put it in every restaurant Shout out Duncan. Yeah.

Shout out. Shout out. Free Dunkin. Please, please sponsor us. I would love free omelet bites. I actually hate Duncan, so no.

I'd be sick. But like in Europe, you know, there's catering, all that stuff, you know, and coffee machine. So it's like, oh, coffee's free,

it's here. Sure, I'll take coffee. And then it's like three hours later. Sure, I'll take a coffee. You know, it's so easy. Yeah. Same thing with like food and stuff like that too.

Of course. It's here. All right. Sure. I just I'll eat a beer. All right. It's here. All right, I'll take it.

Especially that, yeah, there's so much fucking beer in Europe. I love beer. I don't like beer very much. It makes me feel like shit. I always get super bloated. And so I just like really don't drink it. And when we're like, when we tour in the States, if I want to like have a drink, I'll usually have a seltzer because there's just so much easier for me to drink.

And then in Europe, I just don't drink at all. Or I only drink because there's just beer all in the fridge. But there's so fucking much. Everybody's always trashed because it's just there. You know, like it's just there. There's more beer than water. There is. There is.

I don't. I'll be looking for water. Yeah, there's only sparkling water, and you're like, I'm not taking a sparkling water on stage. You're gonna fucking kill me. Yeah. You're like burping the whole set. But dude, speaking of like caffeine, like my caffeine intake on tour is way, way higher than it is at home. Because like, I don't know, like up to like 600 milligrams a day on tour. And then I'm like, I'll drink like one of these and these are like 200 milligrams.

And I'm like, all right, I think I'm cool for the day. I think. And then it'll be 2 p.m. and you're like, all right. I think I need another one. Yeah, dude. I think I'm the only person in the entire music. industry that drinks more caffeine when I'm at home. I actually cut back a lot when I'm on top.

Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I just do it. What do you do? He goes to sleep at a reasonable hour. I just get too, like, anxious if I drink too much caffeine. So I've had, like, too many shows where I have, like, too much coffee, and then I like,

it, like, you know? So I just, like, cut it out as much as I can, you know? So usually I'll drink, like, you know, a little bit. Like, I try to keep it pretty minimal. four or five cups is not associated with dangerous negative effects okay I don't go a flop so Travis is gonna die yeah exactly you're flirting with disaster I think the first time I ever had a panic attack it was like I was super

young and I had like finished an energy drink for the first time like a rock star or some shit and I freaked out because I was like all my anxiety is through the roof you're gripping your Xbox controller yeah yeah playing double claw yeah sometimes it's like the lesser of of the evil, you know, and what's, and what's going to impact your life in, like, a positive way. Dude, absolutely. I mean, it's the same thing with fucking, like, vaping versus smoking cigarettes and shit. Like, I quit smoking cigarettes probably, like, five years ago.

I wasn't. Dude, I started smoking when I was, like, 13. 13? Yeah, I smoked for nine years. And then I, like, finally quit before I hit the 10-year mark because I was like, if I don't quit before I reach a decade of doing it, I'm never going to say. stop. I just knew in my head that after I reached the 10-year point, it was like, fuck it. I'm just going to keep going.

So I finally stopped and like, yeah, yeah, yeah. Vaping is less harmful than smoking, but it's still not safe. I know. It must be true. Yeah, right. But I would rather well, it's John's Hawkins. I guess. Yeah. I would rather look lame as fuck with the vape than a smell

like shit 24-7. And dude, like, I was like I could not do my job if I was still smoking a pack a day. and I was a pack a day guy at like 19. Just in a bare area to this fucking smoke in a ton. Dude, yeah, I used to work festivals a lot. So, like, we'd be outside all day long.

We'd be pulling like 20-hour days, and there's nothing else that you can do besides fucking chain smoke. Because I'd be doing, like, lighting tech shit. So I'm like, all right, the lighting rig's like up in the air. I'm like, I don't have a job until the show's over now. So as long as something doesn't go wrong, then I would just hang out side stage and just smoke all fucking day long. Wow.

Shout out to everyone that works in crew for keeping the tobacco industry alive. I kept American spirits on the fucking market, dude. Yeah, it was a lot. Yeah. If I do smoke a cigarette, it is an American spirit. I found that's the one. That's the one. That's the one.

I drink too much. Every once in a while, I'll be like, give me that cigarette. Yeah. Give me that fucking cigarette, dude. That's the way. My girlfriend fucking loves how they, smell. So every now and again, I'm just like... That's crazy. I know.

I know it's wild. Yeah, it's insane. Maybe like a clove or something smells good, I guess, but most cigarettes just kind of smell like cigarettes. Dude, I had friends growing up that smoke clothes and I was like, this shit's nasty. What the fuck is wrong? It makes me smell old. It tastes like potpourri or something. Yeah. Yeah.

What are clothes? Yeah. Clothes cigarettes, yeah, they're literally made. They're pretty popular in Japan. I never seen them in my life. What are those? They have them here. Do they? Yeah. Yeah, I never seen those my fucking life.

Yeah, wild. They definitely, like, burn a lot slower, too. Yeah, and it kind of has, like, this crackle. It tastes way weird, too. At least to me. I actually kind of, like, don't really hate it compared to a normal cigarette. I would actually rather. Well, yeah, I mean, they're technically called cigars.

Like, you're, like, you're, like, not, like, you're, like, not supposed to inhale clove cigarettes, right? It's, like, aeronatics. Yeah. I used to you because I was fucking stupid. Well, yeah. I think we all inhaled her for a cigar trying to look cool. Yeah, inhale on a black and mild at 12.

I like those light cigars. So that the lighter it is, the less strong it is. It's a nice cigar, you hang outside and it's fucking... I try not to be older, but man, I get it. Dude, yeah. I get it. Dude, my brother's got a tobacco pipe

and we'll sit in his garage and he'll just bust that open every once in a while. We're like, man, this is cool as fuck. Your brother's also, like, so cool looking so him smoking a fucking pipe is like Dude, I know, it's stupid as fuck. This is hard right now. I get it.

Do we have like some like just this neat whiskey and a smoking cigar? I'm like, I'm 38 right now I'm doing this. I feel like I feel 38. I get it. I get it. You got to put a library in your house now. Yeah, for real.

I do. A bunch of mahogany. Yeah. My brother had a jar of like pipe tobacco that he had since he was like 18 or some shit. And he's like about to turn 30 and he busted it open not that long ago. It was still in the jar and like opened it.

It smelled so good. I was like, bro, this is insane. This is like 10 year old tobacco. Just sitting in a fucking mason jar in the garage forever. Let's go, dude. It was beast. This makes me want to smoke weed. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm like like like a connoisseur. I'm more like a, I'll smoke it at night. I like a, it gives me like a different like perspective. Yeah, like kind of think of a problem that I'm trying to solve. It gets, it's, it's not pleasant for me. I might add like the hangout stage more like introspective. Yeah, the word is introspective.

Other people, people call it paranoid, but it's more like it makes you think about shit that you probably should be thinking about her. Your thoughts go from way back here to like, all right, man, so what are you thinking about? Yeah. Remember that thing that you said to that guy earlier today? Yeah, I don't know if you should have said that. Yeah, we actually really. taught me how to process self-doubt. No shit.

Yeah. Yeah. Dude, that rocks. It's cool. I guess when you're, when you're high, you're like,

okay, you're like, I guess you say, you're overthinking things. Yeah. But, you know, like,

then the thought comes in, why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? Oh, dude, your band fucking sucks and stuff like that. Yeah. But I learn,

like, oh, shit, this is what it is. This is exactly what self-doubt is. And I just learned through weed you just stop it. You could literally choose where you,

where you send you, your mind. Yeah, you don't have to engage with. You don't have to, it's just a, a lot of thoughts are just thoughts. Yeah. Dude. Yeah. And I think it's also like self awareness.

Okay, this is, this real and this is not real. Yep. And that's, I mean, the whole, like, the whole concept of intrusive thoughts is a thing to where it's like, it's not your fault that this thought popped into your brain. Totally. And there's nothing that you can do about that, but recognize that it's there and push it away or move on or do whatever. Totally.

That's, I, like, talk about that kind of stuff. kind of a lot with like friends and shit. Like anytime someone's going through something, and they're like, I just feel like shit, like I'm always thinking of this or like being like super depressed or whatever you're going through and shit. And it's like,

do like recognize that it's there, except that that's how you feel in the moment or whatever's going on. Like give it enough space that like you're recognizing that it is real. Sure. And then you can process it however you need to afterwards. If you want to sit with it for an hour,

sit with it for an hour. If you don't want to think about it at all, again, like mentally clock that you're like, okay, this is a real feeling that I'm having. This is a real feeling that I'm having. a real thought that I had. I don't like it. But it's there.

I'm just going to move on. And like, do something. Doing something is the important part. It's always, yeah, pushing yourself to like do something you get out of it. But I get it,

dude, I get super introspective when I get too high at home. And like, yeah, it's cool. Me and my older brother will sit in his garage

and like, you know those, have you ever smoked those King Roll juniors? Dude, so good. Shit gets me fucking blasted. But they're like, they're like all in a little pack and stuff.

They're so sick, dude. But we'll smoke. one of those in his garage and we'll sit there and it'll be quiet for 20 minutes and then we'll just start talking about shit and it'll just come out of fucking nowhere yeah it's always the best yeah those little fuckers dude those things will put you on your goddamn ass let's go game roll okay yeah all those things like yeah they're all like oil and diamond infused and shit they're fucking great little cannon they're rigs they're definitely yeah what do you get them dude any fucking dispensary we when I was living in Sacramento we used to go to this spot called Nug it's like right next to my brother's barbershop. It's literally just called Nug. It's like, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's, beer.

Food. Yeah, I go to a restaurant called food. I'd give it a drive. I know, yeah, that's a go. Dude, if there was a liquor store called beer, that would be my spot. Yeah. I like, jump 30, I like honesty.

I like, not wasting time. Just tell me what this fucking thing is. Yeah, exactly. Don't beat around the bush. Let's just fucking move forward, dude. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, it's like crate and barrel. It's like, what the fuck is that?

mean it's a furniture store how the fuck do we get there yeah shout out to introspective thoughts man yeah it's crucial dude you know it's it is it's half the battle yeah recognizing like how you're feeling and what's going on totally it's like I mean everybody always says like acceptance is like the first stage right like like understanding what you're going through being like yeah I'm depressed now how do I work through it if you just keep denying whatever's happening to you you're never gonna get through it because you're never like accepting that that's the door that you you're at. You can't walk through it unless you recognize it's a fucking door.

Totally. Otherwise, it looks like a wall. Yeah, absolutely. Some walls also be doors at the same time. Yeah, dude. If your foot's stronger up. Or you just make your own door. That's true.

Yeah. You build your own door. Totally, yeah. Of course, man. Or punch through the wall. Yeah. You know. I literally just took down a bunch of drywall at home before I, like, came out on this

tour. So, yeah, you can put holes in walls. This is getting a really metaphor. everybody listening to the podcast has checked out now yeah people people will fucking listen man yeah yeah mental health is important as fuck and like not enough people talk about it I feel like and like I don't know I mean it's getting talked about way more now but I feel like at the same time everybody's so focused on like having a good time

and like always good vibes show and face yeah like protecting your peace and all this shit and it's like nah man sometimes shit sucks talk about it like we're I don't know every now and again, I'll say it or I'll see some of my friends say it, but like even just the once in a while tweet of being like, hey, check in on your fucking friends because you never know what's going on. And like, sometimes people are just showing face

that they're super happy and you have zero idea that they're like, I'm about 2KMS. You know, like you really just don't know, but it's good to throw it out there. So yeah, check on your fucking friends and make sure that everybody's cool. Tell your friends you love them. It's like, I don't know, it's fucking important. It is. We always want to have a good time, but listen, Some people are fucking depressed and you just gotta deal with it.

Totally. You gotta try to get them up to having a good time. Which is why we smoke more weed. There's Ranger kids. It just circled back. We're back to grab up. I don't know. That's a fucking five gallon.

I don't know what? Christ. A lot of people don't relate to this, but do I like having bad thoughts and bad days? I have like this. It's necessary. There's something about it. I like it. I mean,

without the bad, there is no perspective on the good. No, absolutely. That's where I get my ideas or insight. There's just something about it. Like, that's where I feel comfortable.

Yeah, dude, 100%. I have like the same kind of thing. Even like when I was a kid, my mom would tell me she's like, you just like, I like always love sad music.

I always loved like sad movies and shit. My mom would be like, you just love being sad. I'm like, It's that boy for life. I guess so, yeah. I'm like, dude,

I feel bad for my girlfriend because, like, all the music that I write, I always show her, like, my demos and stuff. And so, like, I'll finish doing, like, a vocal demo while she's at work

and, like, go pick her out. We're in the car. And, like, first thing she gets in the car, I'm like, hey, do you want to listen to what I did today? Mm-hmm.

If you don't, it's okay, but do you want to listen to what I did today. So I'll, like, show her all these songs and shit. And she'll, like, listen to it and be like, dude are you all right?

Yeah like actually I'm fine I had a really good day She's like the song is so fucking depressing Like oh I know but like I'm good But do you like it? Yeah I mean that's it I feel like there's like I don't know Being sad and like being able to write sad songs

Like just helps get it all out You write sad heavy songs I mean blood and teeth is a sad fucking song And it's heavy spot But you know it's like it helps It's very like therapeutic and shit But me and my girlfriend both kind of only listen

to sad music at home too, so we'll be like cleaning the house, listen to like Noah Gunderson. I'm like, man, I'm depressed as fuck. It happens. It happens. When you, because Gabe, you've been in the band since 2017.

Correct. You know, so it's probably a relief to you to be in a band now with a bunch of songwriters. Yeah, it's cool. It's great. It's awesome. So when you're working on a track like blood and teeth, Is it like, okay, like, where does... Obviously, they were singing on the record prior,

but this is like... You're, like, really leaned into it. Yeah. Is there any thought, like, we can't do this? Like, we can't do this? Maybe. I mean, I guess on The Chosen, we had really leaned into the singing,

just because that's what we had wanted to do on that album. You know, we wanted to experiment and explore. That was a very explorative album for us, just like Death and Anthology was a very explorative album for the band, too. And then the response from the chosen was great. And we're like, cool, like, people like this. Obviously, people hate it too, but that's just the way that's coming to the territory.

Everything just comes to the territory, especially in Death Corps. But we're like, cool, we're getting a great response. Let's keep exploring into this territory. Now, like, now that we have established this, we can go a little farther, you know. And then, like, Death and Anthology, it very much was an anthology of ideas, a collection of all these ideas and songs, everything with a different kind of theme and vibe, but the, you know, still working together.

And that one in particular was an area we wanted to explore deeper, like the more melodic, softer kind of stuff, while still retaining heaviness, you know, in aggression, too. Yeah. I like, I love, like, you know, I'm a prog nerd. We're all prog nerds, you know. There's no getting away from it, unfortunately. It's just in us.

And I think, like, when I first heard Watershed by Opet, that album, that, like, opened up, like, a whole new world for me. And even, like, Injustice for All, Metallica too. That's an album of seven nine to nine minute songs too going from like the hearing one for the first time for example, you know. Right. To get journey. Yeah. I was like, you can write a song like that, you know, and then it was just all over from there. Drummers can go that fast. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And everyone's doing swivel at like 290. Yeah. Shut on Matt Pallazzo. But you know, songs that take you on a journey that tell a story, you know, you can tell a story in a three. You know, you can tell a story in a three. to four minutes song too but like some songs you cannot get out everything that needs to get out

in three to four minutes you know it takes longer and um it's fun doing songs like that and casket where it's just all right just go for it you know don't worry about rules don't worry about song length or anything like that just go for it it was the same thing with like curse of flesh too the very like story song that we were just like if it needs to be this long to get the story out and put together then fuck it it'll be that long and that's just what happens yeah where the kings of right seven minute songs, dude. I'm like, why are they making six, seven minute songs?

Yeah, fuck it. I mean, like, my philosophy of songwriting is let the song write itself. Of course. Like, the song tells you what it wants, you know, and just you got to be open to that. And that's for better or for worse, the songs have been telling us to write out. Yeah, me and Cudor, I'll make an eye contact. Yeah, so

it's funny that you asked Gabe, like, oh, like, should we do this? Should we not do this? Because he's always the one being like, dude, let's do something fucking crazy? Me and coach we're like, yo, no,

hold on it. Let's think about this. Gabe's like, well, the song says that it needs to be this. I'm confident, talk, bro. I'm confident that every song

on this record will be at least eight to nine minutes. Yeah. Once I was going to say is like, I feel like on this record we really tried to actually like trim the fat and keep things tight. Yeah.

And we still. Fier's only four minutes and eight seconds. That's like a two-minute song for us. I do it under five minutes. Congratulations. Thank you. It's an achievement. Right on.

Yeah, dude. This was us being brief. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's cool.

Yeah. I know that we touched on it earlier, but what, what do you feel and about their reaction to that song? To blood and teeth. I mean, like, everybody either, I feel like it was one of those you either love it or you hate it kind of things. There's not a lot of in-betweeners. I've seen a handful of comments people being like, yeah, song's cool. It's not my favorite. And, like, I won't necessarily skip it every time it comes on.

But it's not one. and then I'm going to go out of my way to listen to a lot. So there's very few people who are like that. Everybody else either like, this is my favorite song you guys have released ever. Or they're like, what the fuck happened to this band? You guys suck. And it's like those are the two ends of the thing.

And really, I mean, like half the thing, I know everybody says it, but it's like all press is press. Sure. So it's like whatever, you guys are driving engagement on the YouTube video by commenting saying that I suck. So go for it. You know, I don't give a fuck. That's crazy.

It's crazy because Overpass, which was like, this kind of song on The Chosen is like cleaner and more ambient for more time, I feel. Yeah. That intro is like two minutes. When we played that two years ago, I would legitimately like check my phone sometimes during that part. So you'd be like, what time is it? Okay, cool. Yeah, I'm going to be tuned up? Okay, cool.

All right, now I've got to sit here for another minute. Yeah, I think there's. Yeah, you can see. The vibes are totally different, but I think there's probably more clean vocals on the Chosen. and then on the nearest record. I would believe that. I think so. Maybe, honestly.

As far as, like, outright singing, because you do, like, the half sing, half scream thing. Yeah, I do a lot of that. But that was also, like, the metalcore thing. Like, each metalcore band that I was in when I was, like, a older teenager was, like, everybody wanted to do the Birmingham Horizon singing style or, like, half-way screaming the note, like, the pitch yelling thing. So that was what we ended up doing, and I got, like, kind of good at that when I was, like,

18. Dude, I was way better at it when I was younger. There's like an unreleased song from my old metalcore band. Dude, yeah. Dude, it's crazy. I'll listen to like old stuff that I wrote when I was 18 or like old demos where I was like singing on it and doing shit. I'm like, man, I can't do that now.

Like how was I better than I've been playing for like fucking nine more years? This is fucked up. It trusts me out like it's like where I said, where did I come from? Yeah. Where did that part of my brain did that. Yeah. It's like, oh shit, I fucking did that. Back to like the reaction to the song and stuff.

Like it's if people are, worried that like that's what we're going to sound like forever from now on like dude it's just one fucking song right like we honestly that we wanted to write yeah more more bands should be able to write the song that they want to fucking write i mean dude even like fit for a king uh i was seeing i think i think it was talk or ryan was talking about it on twitter that they were like hey so we're not going to do like i think they were saying that they're not going to do an album they're going to write just a bunch of different songs into like ePs or some shit that are all like A little different.

Yeah, like thematic. Like, okay, we're going to go for this kind of style on this one. We're going to go for this kind of style on this one. And whatever you guys like the best is what we'll write for the next album. Something like that. Don't fucking quote me on it. Interesting. But that was the idea is that they're like, we're going to do something that's like kind of like

weeding out what people don't want to hear from us and seeing what they do want to hear more of. And I think bands are really fucking terrified to experiment with shit like that. because you get shit on for it. I mean, like, Reddit's going to fucking hate you for not sounding like 2008. Right. So, that's how. Oh, yeah, dude. Yeah.

It's, I think it's always just like, again, they either love you or they're like, these guys fucking suck ass. It's one of the two. It's one or the other. Yeah, but I love that everybody's like, I don't know, nowadays people are experimenting a lot more. Even like, I'm a huge fucking sleep token fan and that band's experimental as fuck. They're badass, dude.

They're fucking badass. And that's where a lot of inspiration for blood and teeth came from, too. like Spirit Box, Sleep Token, shit like that. Like, I love both of those fucking bands. So it was cool to just, like, inject that into what we're doing. It's great. Like, I don't know, Sleep Token's heavy to me. So, like, it can still be heavy and have really pretty singing in it.

And then, I mean, I still make crazy noises at the end of the song. So it's there. Wasn't the demo name for Blood and Teeth Sleep Stroken? Sleep stroken. Sleep stroken. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

That's taking me back to hot. high school. Dude, I saw them when they opened for issues like fucking years ago. It was their first U.S. tour and I was like, damn, this band's sick as fuck. And then now they're massive. It's so insane. Biggest band ever now. So sick, dude.

Outstreaming Metallica last year. Yeah, dude. Crazy. Let's go. That's insane. When we started our European tour with Shadow of Intent last January, right? They were at like 200,000 monthly listeners and by the end of the tour, they were at 2.2 million. Like literally in a month. That's fast.

It was crazy. What do you think happened? TikTok. TikTok got a hold of that summoning song and everyone started like making TikTok videos and stuff. Everyone started throwing. And from there, it literally happened in a month.

$200,000 to $2.2 million. That kind of stuff doesn't happen without an element of virality. You know what I mean? Like TikTok, but also with, you know, they had put out two incredible albums prior to that It was like built up. It was like, it was just a matter of time. It's just a matter of time.

You gotta have the build. Yeah, it was, into what burst. Same thing with Lauren Ashore too, you know, like, like, they work their ass off. Yeah, those guys worked their ass off. They've been through so much shit. They persevered, pushed through. And then, like, you know, they had that their moment too and exploded.

But like, that was an overnight success. That was like 15 years of hard ass fucking work. Yeah, absolutely. You know, like. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Same kind of thing. It's fucking wild. And it's also. crazy that like, I don't know, back in like the early 2000s, that didn't really like happen. You know, like I feel like like viral moments. You either came up or you didn't. Yeah, exactly. It either happened or it fucking didn't.

And now we have these like weird mechanisms that you can use to get huge. And it sucks in a way because a lot of bands are writing songs just to try and get viral on TikTok. Yeah, it's like, all right, where's our kids? Yeah. Yeah. They don't put any of themselves into it. Yeah. You get those weird ass fucking kid.

And it's always so cringy too. Like you'll see someone like posts it. You're like, oh my god you went to a studio and did that that's insane i always question no matter i i'm not how big anything gets is longevity always you exactly always you know because i also think about life you know what's what's gonna happen to you or your band when shit gets real like someone leaves or you have some real life shit to you some yeah or you just get older bro what if people just stop giving a fuck that's why band's like

dying fetus and stuff are fucking sick because dude they're all like old and everyone's like still fucking rolling out and like moshing. Yeah, dude. Those are all some of the nicest fucking dudes too. We fucking love fetus. I knew I was so sick. Yeah, I mean, the longevity thing and like even then

with things like the pandemic, like your band either survived that or it fucking died. And that's how it goes. Like the band that I was in before I joined Enterprise, like we died during that point because we were just like, we're not going to fucking do it.

We're not going to wait X amount of years to start doing this shit again. And the band have been around for so long anyways. But, you know, it's either that. And then, like, what if that happens again? Like, how, you know, like, is your band going to make it through there? What's your longevity looking like for something like that happens? We didn't think about that in 2005. Yeah. Yeah. Like, that's not, like, that wasn't a, that wasn't a component of the scene is like, okay, what are you going to do if there's another pandemic and you can't play shows? Sure. No one thought about that. No one. You know, it was just like, oh. It's fucking hit, dude. Yeah, dude, absolutely. So the longevity thing and, like, writing music.

like that too like with the last album that we just did like there's enough of a little bit of every corner of the sub genres and shit under the like metal slash death core umbrella that we can just kind of start writing whatever we want and that's the longevity

thing that I want to see for the band and that we've all talked about a lot is being able to like have just just enough of every little piece in there that if we want to branch out and go down that avenue fully we can and then if we go down another one. It's not going to be as shocked

to anybody because it's like, well, if you go listen to the last record we did, there's a riff on there that sounds like this, there's a song on there that sounds like this. It's not surprising that we write shit like this. We just wrote more of it or less of it. You know? Sometimes people just take themes and just run with it too.

Oh, yeah. For better or for worse, sometimes. Exactly. Yeah. You hear 15 seconds of a song and everybody's either just like, there's bad fucking blows or it's like, oh, this is the greatest thing ever. It's like, you didn't even listen to the whole thing. That was 15 seconds.

You don't know. Yeah, absolutely. Or it could be a situation, or you play like the long game. Our record, you know, everyone hated. We lost our money. Went in debt for many, many years. We're still getting out of that hole. Yeah.

I fired a bunch of people and now we're getting guarantees bigger than ever. Like triple. Dude, that fucking rock. That's incredible. Just play like the long game, you know? Yeah. Because I'm always like, it's always about that first bricky lay down. Yeah.

For sure. If you have that foundation, you can't really, you can't really go away. Dude, I mean, we talk about that every now and again anyways, too, with the whole, like, there's all these bands that, like, get fucking huge. And then you don't hear about them ever again. Yeah, exactly. They have five years or however long. And then it's, like, gone. It's the 15 minutes of fame thing.

You think about, like, a band like Musuga, it's like they've never been the biggest metal band in the world, but they're every metal band's favorite metal band. And they've had, like, such a solid career for, like, going on almost 40 years now. Yeah, talk about fucking longevity. Musugia is the example. So, so consistent. Yeah, for a whole. So consistent. There's a slow, slow burning.

And finally, they just got, they got their crown. Exactly. Dude, absolutely. Yeah. And that's like, that's the fucking game. That's the goal. You know, literally. Yeah, yeah, Musugga's the goal.

Sick-ass lights. You don't got to move around all the life. Because the lights are doing all the work for you. Low key. I'll tell you my dream and my secret. That's what we're working towards. Yeah, dude. Yes.

I mean, it makes sense. They're all like in their 50s. It's like you really expect them to be running around. It's like, yeah. Let's headbang hard now. So when hopefully the shit breaks at something in a few next few years. So we could just kind of get some lights up there, dude. Some fucking cool production.

Yeah. So I can stand there with my hair down and look scary. Even the lights and do it all the crazy shit. The body is just hurting, dude. It's like, God damn. Yeah. I mean, fucking Tom arrived from Slayer. He had to get vertebrae fused from head banging.

You know, like. Yeah. That's crazy. Yeah, and then he had to like, he's like, I can't, I physically can't do this anymore. The only one that'll be like 95 and still doing it is corpse grinding. He's been training for it, training for it, all these years. Absolutely. Yeah, he's the bar, dude.

Yeah, I love it. Yeah, Brandon, we could close down with this and you guys got to take off soon. Yeah. How do you balance Enterprise Earth and Chapel? I don't. It's been really tough. but you must you must love drums man yeah I do I do that's cool yeah it's been great I mean I've been like I don't know for a long time I was like always like I mean obviously I've been playing drums but

I was more so teaching as my source of income you know and finally like now that I've been doing the chapel and enterpressing it's like okay I can literally survive off just making music you know and it's not that I don't like teaching I still teach but it's not what I've wanted to do you know as I want to perform you know course um so yeah it's been it's been it's been it's been great, you know, but it has been, you know, it's been tough balancing the two juggling it, but... Your wife loves you as much as you love drums. Yeah, this is.

Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Very supportive wife who that helps. Andrews. He was like on, he was on the road last year for, what, 10 or 11 months, something like that? It was like nine months.

Yeah. And at one point of three months straight. Right. Yeah. Between tours and stuff. Playing like death metal drop. Yeah. You know what I mean?

Like, crazy. Was it last year? I don't know. Anyways, the first year I toured with Enterprise and Whitechap, I think I played like a hundred and. 120 160 shows in the year

yeah so it was like a show almost like every day yeah it's crazy you ask for it you got it exactly yeah you're like yeah you know what I want to fucking play drones full time in the band there's too much of it

yeah yeah thankfully we've had some super awesome fillings to like Mike Caputo filled in for a song tour he's a fucking machine that was great and then we have Aaron Hetzko from the Spanish Isabella in triangle and he's been playing with us for a while too and it's been it's been super badass having people who can like fill Brandon's giant ass fucking shoes because he's cracked out of his fucking mind of drums it has been very cool I also do have pretty big feet too so he does so does Aaron Aaron also yeah yeah crazy any drink less caffeine on tour which is weird somehow yeah when I'm at home I drink a lot or maybe oh I mean that explains it maybe you're out on tour so you're working so when you're go home you're

tired. Maybe. That's when you're resting. So I got to fucking drink coffee all data. Yeah. Your adrenaline levels are fucking like being under the floor. I think too part of it is another reason why I was just thinking about like I don't drink as much is like, it's good sleep on tour is so hard to come by. You know what I mean?

It's like if I drink too much coffee, I feel it affects my sleep too. So I feel like I just like, all right, fuck it. I'll just like cut out caffeine as much as I can. Then I just sleep hard as hard as possible, you know, in a bumpy ass fucking. Yeah. Just be tired. Yeah. Versus like if I drink a lot of coffee during the day on three.

tour, I'm just like awake at night too, you know. It's like... Totally. Yeah, so... Fuck it. Yeah. Fuck it. Any, uh, any closing thoughts?

Hmm. Right. Should we close off with, uh, rest and peace OJ? Is that? Oh. Yeah. So, okay, so this episode is asking drop me on Monday. So, so you...

Cool. So, so we could talk about OJ and we could, uh, we could promote the, uh, tour dates because... Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We, we just started tour. Um, uh, we just started tour. Two days ago in Arizona, the Death and Anthology North American Tour with Inferiori

Crown Magnetaur and tracheotomy. Cool. Oh, we should change it into the OJ's death and anthology. Oh, my God. OJ's death and anthology. What do you think? And actually, I think so... He fucking did it.

I was going to say he could finally rest. He definitely did. He definitely did. You know what I thought about... So I get the news, I'm like, I wonder what he thinks. thought about like because obviously you're dying, you're dead. It's like I wonder what like he thought about like shit.

Yeah. Give us a last minute confession. Come on. Yeah. Final thoughts. Nah. Fuck. Yeah.

I'm still not telling anybody. That's one of those secrets he took to the grave. Yeah. Monday. Let's see, Monday is an off day for us right. We'll be on our way to Portland. Yeah. Yeah.

So that'll be it. Yeah. We just got started all over America and Canada for what, what, 34 shows all over North America. There's all the dates. Cool. Yeah, it's been really the first two shows are incredible. Canada.

The rest of it's shaped enough to be pretty frip. Fucking awesome. Iowa and Chicago. Yeah. Toronto, Montreal. Palladium, let's go. You're all over. Yeah.

All over the place. In all the spots, as much as we could do. Yeah, absolutely. Enterprise Earth, I appreciate your time, and thank you for letting me being your band for an hour and a half. Yeah. Thanks, man. Thank you for having us.

It's an honor. Any time. Thank you. Cheers. All right. All right, one. That's it. Later.

Later.