Garza Podcast - 125 - OCEANO

Episode Date: April 22, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with Cook County, Illinois Deathcore band OCEANO. https://www.laylo.com/oceano SPONSORS: https://distrokid.com/vip/garza 30% OFF! https://emgpickups.com USE CODE: HEAVY AT CHECKOUT FOR 15% OFF! OCEANO is: Adam Warren - Vocals Scott Smith - Guitar CHAPTERS: 00:00 - WWE, WCW Walkout Music 04:52 - Jim Johnston, DDP’s Nirvana Rip-off 08:38 - 15 Year Anniversary of Depths 11:35 - Fender 7-String 13:58 - Reflecting on Vision and Accomplishments 16:22 - Adam Joining Oceano in 2006 19:27 - Why It Takes Long to Release New Material 24:13 - Writing Music Together, As a Band 26:32 - Joey Sturgis Setting the Bar High 28:45 - Incisions Era Was a Difficult Time for the Band 30:58 - Line 6 PodFarm 31:42 - “District of Misery” Becoming a Classic 35:22 - Appreciating the Band Again, Scott Joining the Band 44:46 - Being a Rhythm / Riff-Oriented Guitarist, Songwriter 48:15 - Hans Zimmer Composing on Computers 51:54 - Getting Motivated to Play & Write 54:05 - Deathcore Becoming Accepted Years Later 56:49 - Deathcore Bands Touring With Each Other 58:47 - Day in the Life on Tour 1:00:43 - 4/20, Forgetting How to Play Guitar After Taking a Dab with Tom Barber / Chelsea Grin 1:08:04 - Writing Music While High 1:10:04 - Scott’s Kemper Patch for Live & Studio, Garza’s Live Rig 1:15:00 - Adam & Scott’s Career Regrets 1:18:10 - The Struggle of Keeping a Band Together 1:22:45 - Time Management

Oh my God All right I'm liking the start of this Some pump up music Are we going on This is dedicated to To you guys man Oh yeah

Oh my goodness When you hear the glass break dude Like I never heard a fucking Arena just Go off Yeah It's crazy man You've seen

You've seen WWF WW live I was pre I think I was pre 10 I was yeah I was like probably nine or something and my dad took me it wasn't like raw it was like one of like the off shows

yeah yeah and damn when you hear the glass break and stone cold Steve Austin walks out I never I still haven't heard a crowd that loud in my in my fucking life dude that hard ass like walk that he had didn't the walk yeah my first memory of like the wrestling thing back growing up like

in elementary school and stuff was just him like just banging beers I'm like what is this what is this that's like pretty much I was like I'm gonna check this out it might be cool that's pretty much like my

intro to like wrestling and stuff but I never got really big into it but like the stone cold thing I was like just like he's like crashing like a Coors light truck you're like I want to do that and I want to play guitar yeah

he definitely had to have influenced a lot of rebels in these current generations like just being against you know the system telling your boss to F off and like just doing what you want that's like the stone cold attitude so it is it's kind of a rock star attitude in the sense it is the cut off jeans it's got like the whole not giving a shit how he dresses you know no no care just being himself but but can we pull off the cut off jeans now I got a pair I could do you I could walk okay I like dares you you

to walk on stage some cut off jeans today I don't get it I'm gonna fuck right I wear shorts I'll go get some scissors and cut off my jeans Come on hot watch Cut off khakis Yeah

Oh Let's go I don't about that Man I don't about that Dude we got Oceano In the fucking house Dude oh geez

Adam Scott I know you guys for For quite a while man And Adam what you actually You helped me learn about this About myself is that, oh yeah, like when I was a kid, like wrestling music actually was probably like the precursor of liking heavy music. Yeah.

It didn't dawned me until like today. That's, I'd had the same realization of someone was talking to me, I think, and they were like, I think it was a show I was doing like a podcast thing and they're like, did you maybe get into music because of your wrestling thing? I was like, interesting. I think that's what? The hard music. That CD that you were telling me. me about back in the day uh what is the attitude volume three that's all like rock and metal songs yeah the attitude volume three and four that's what you were telling about that recently it was that's kind of

crazy dude's i mean yeah that that i mean we're just talking about the stolen colsey of austin song i mean that do standard e fucking chug riff dude yeah just like there's something about that rip it kind of it really kind of open up your mind to like okay like i like i like this and then seeing obviously he's seen his his attitude yeah it just that's It's kind of influence how we went about our life. It's weird. I never really thought about that until today. Did you hear, you've heard the disturbed one, the disturbed remix they had he used to come out with?

Yeah. That one was sick. Undertaker had a pretty hard, well, he had Limp Biscuit. So that's... Did he? He had the rolling. Right? That was Limpisket.

Oh, he did for like a hot second, huh? Yeah. Oh, shit. They played the actual show. Like, live. Yeah, he would come out. They did the remix and they had them come out with those remix harder versions. Because they did that.

It was like a WWF more harder. It was WWF aggression. I think that was the name of the TV. Okay. And it was like all harder versions of stuff. Jay, type in a WW. Would you, would I get sued if I say WWF? WD.

It just like ingrained in my head. It's tough. Well, the WCW too, right? The other one? That's WCW. That's another one. That's a whole other thing, right? Another Fed, yeah.

Yeah, if you go on Spotify, they change like all those covers. So like the volume three Attitude era, it doesn't say F. It says like, it's E. Because of the wildlife fund, World Wildlife Fund, sued them. And won, surprisingly.

They won, dude. Yeah. They won. Yeah. It's like when you see when, holy shit, it happened. And it's, dude, Jay, if you can,

pull up a, type in WWF Volume 3 credit. it's one guy that did all like the writing and everything it's uh it's jim something jim johnson boom yeah it's one guy dude there for something was that exception of one song performed by icpp what's the song is that oh it's the one for the oddities oh the audits yeah yeah iCP song yeah that's sick dude they saved the best for last stoncle steve austin dude yeah do you valbinance but definitely get canceled

today. Yes, you would. Yeah. What was the intro? Hello, ladies. Dude,

they did say, wow, not gonna fly today. No, that's not going to work today. It's sad. I mean, what WWE

did better than WCW, have you ever listen back to the WCW theme songs? They're kind of boring. They suck. Yeah.

They literally took, they took Nirvana songs and made them backwards. Whoa. Okay, hey, Jay. Yo, what? Watch. YouTube Diamond Dallas Page theme song.

I could see that. And crank it for like 10 seconds. If you don't know that, it's going to blow your mind. And there's also other wrestlers that have the same thing. It's like a Nirvana song backwards. No way. It's so crazy. Is it?

Is it it? DDP to shout out. No, no. WCW. It's not WCW. You got to hear this. Yeah. And I forgot, so he does, it smells like teen spirit. Is it sit right here?

Backwards, he said? Oh, no. Oh, no. Stop. Now that I think of, he did come out for this, right? He goes, not, did it? He goes, did it. Right.

Come on with this shit. Hey, Jay, play from the intro. You, when it comes in, you're like, oh, no way, dude. It's me. It's me. It's DDP. Oh, come on. Are you trying to ruin my day?

I love Nirvana. So it's backwards. It's backwards, dude. It's clear as day, though. It's obvious. It's so clear. Damn. I see a Lincoln Park hybrid theory in there that looks.

I don't know. I don't want to even. I forgot the wrestler that did. They ripped off hybrid. theory, please don't tell me they did hybrid theory. Smells like a lawsuit. Yeah, dude, how can that be illegal?

They changed all the rips around. So they're not going to get sued from like copyright infringement, right? Is there like a certain percentage that you're allowed to change? It's the, it's the, um, it's the ice ice baby song. You know what I'm saying? Like he did the same thing, but he maybe changed the one note so like he couldn't get sued

or whatever. Was he in the clear though? He was, right? Someone came up to his like hotel room and threatened his life. I think, but... Really? Yeah, there's a story behind that. Oh, shit. I didn't know that.

Yeah. I think, like, someone came up there. Like, threatened him. He's like... But he's like... I don't know. It was weird. Yeah, it's so fucking bizarre.

And someone else does... Come as you are. But backwards. Whoa. So it's so weird, dude. Well, dude, I... Congrats on 15 years of death. Thanks.

Pretty fucking crazy, dude. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's not, I think, it's, it's like, I don't know, man, I'm, you, I've just been living in the moment, so it came over. He can't, he can't stand the song. No, that's not true. I'm just done to be, like, he wants to be done with it. I get it. Nah.

Sure. You know, they've been playing the songs for so long, but. I'm stoked on new, new material. That's just what it is. The hardest, yeah, the hardest part about this, like, little 15-year thing was, like, I contacted Sturges to try to get the stems from him. him. And he was like, I don't know where those are. I'm like, okay, well, it looks like I'll have to learn all these songs just from the

MP3, like, album. So that was like the hardest part was like relearning. Like, I mean, learning some of the new stuff we haven't ever played. And like, obviously district, we play that a lot. But like, just learn it. We had to learn it from ear. And then I had to like, you know, go on the cue base and put the set together that way. So that was like the hardest part.

It took like a month and a half, but that was the hardest part about it. He smashed it because it's like what we were talking about is like when we were playing these songs back in the day, the tech, you know, the tech differences are night. Yeah. So Turchin didn't play to a click or anything. So I had to like go in there and like make the click like manually. So there is like in like some songs like there's probably 20 different tempos. I had to like put to the song

like the MP3 and then I made the set from the MP3 Oh shit It's a lot more filled out Because we did a lot of like extra Like background You instrumentation and stuff So we actually

We've never played it like that Ever until now So people seeing these shows That's what's really cool about it to me It's like this is like the HD version of depths That no one in the past Ever heard It's like so this is probably the closest you'll ever hear

To album ever So it's pretty tight that's it you guys you guys play to a click or you guys still you guys are still rocking like two bams right and i like that's it no dude that's so i don't got time for that jake yeah but listen every dude when we tour though it doesn't matter but like you guys still sound incredible that's the thing like you have just like your thing and that's you shouldn't you shouldn't change it if it doesn't like right you know what i mean don't fix it yeah absolutely especially now ernie's like he's a he's a human clock.

Ernie, yeah. He's a human metrodome. You don't got to I'm going to worry about him. It's just, Alex was all over the place. That was,

it's hard. It's already hard to keep a drummer like, that's already hard enough. I think that was the last tour we were on was with him in the band, I think.

Might have been. Yeah. Yeah. And then the next time I saw it wasn't until, um, Nam? Oh,

I ran into you. And I would, I wanted to ask you about that. The guitar behind you. because you said I've been trying to get Fender to make me a seventh string forever

Yeah Last time I ran into you You're like she was like Yeah I've been trying to fucking get Fender for years I fucking do the first seventh string for me Did they finally do it? Yeah I had this for There it is

That's fucking awesome I mean that was a while I mean what I'm sure it's been a long time It's been almost two years I think like Oh that made me sense Yeah

Because that's like right before the revelation came out Yeah yeah yeah They're actually making number two As we speak For you? Yeah. Oh, that's great. It's so weird, dude.

Like, the fucking, I'll make, I'll make the subject short. Persistence is great. Dude, I don't know. I don't know what, what it is. Is it persistence? Is it following, like, a vision? Because I don't know what I was doing. They weren't into it for a while.

They were so against it. They were, like. Well, they have, dude, they've been, they're like one of the iconic brands, you know? Like, they don't, they're not, they probably weren't just comfortable with doing anything. They wanted to do their homework and make sure it was fucking perfect for whoever. you or for the player you know they're not just going to you know come out with something shitty

it's fender yeah it's fender it has to be a certain you know way and that there is like I got nose maybe's and for some reason and like I never stop following that like vision yeah I see I only could be could take a year could take 510 I don't know and then they did they work with you on certain things

or they were just it was like it was your idea with like the 7 they're like we're just gonna take it from here they worked with you on a lot A shout out of the stuff. Yeah, shout out to Carlos Lopet. Dimensions and stuff, like the neck and all that. That's great. Oh, yeah.

Every little spec was very well, very well thought out. Yeah, I kind of, I always try to go back to, like, that part of myself. Like, there's just some things you do. Like, the self-doubt doesn't even creep in. Yeah. That's a good thing. It's just weird. Like, there's only, like, put, a few things in my life that, like, this doesn't even budge.

I'm like, how did I do that? You know, suzac sans, a band. Like, like, the semish. And there's just certain things that just nothing ever affected that. And everything else, it's all fucked. Everything else self-doubt, why are you doing this? Why are you doing that? But, and Adam, I wanted to ask you, like, how do you feel about O'Shaeno now?

Because, I mean, you essentially follows your vision, correct? Yeah. I think that this year, especially because of the 15 year, it was something like, I think I was running from, because I said I would never do it. Like, more because I wanted, I'm always like, go forward, forward, forward, forward to do that. I think this helped me actually be a little bit more in the present in the sense where it's like, look at everything that you accomplished. Like you said, look at all the people that told you know, all the things, the obstacles and stuff. So it's kind of cool.

Sitting here right now is probably one of the biggest moments where it's just like, okay, you know, to have that moment where, you know, dude, like, Suicide silence is like a template for what got me gurgling in my dorm room, you know, to even consider wanting to be a vocalist, you know, so. Crazy. These are the moments we're now looking back. It's like, okay, you know, it was worth it. You know, you have your ups, you have your downs, your struggles, and, you know, there's a lot of things that have changed. But now in this 15-year run that we're doing and everything has been happening, this year especially, it's like, okay, it's, we did some shit. We did some shit.

and being persistent and like, like you said, just not listening to the people telling you you can't do it or people that don't believe in you or the people that just can't see your vision. It all, it's full circle like probably like right today where I'm just like, wow. All right. Cool. That's fucking. Cali, dude. You know, like I was telling you yesterday.

You're in California, man. We filmed our district of music video like around L.A. That was our first, that was my first time in California ever. And we, so like, it's full circle today. chain sold out today sold out man yeah it's tight and you and you guys are headlining yeah that too that credit is 100% deserved thank you oceano are are are a foundation staple in the genre now thanks you guys are oh gs it's cool like I said I'm not maybe not me but I'll take we're OGs but we don't we're still spry you know yeah I got that

young band energy yeah I I kind of feel I know how it is like people people tell you're like uh but you know I I just wanted to tell you guys you know you guys are a staple in this shit and uh thank you I respect the fuck out of both you guys honored it's cool man and you started a band at a town's six yeah so what that's uh fuck seven is that is that 17 17 yeah I got in the year like I think like the year to year and a half after the band started okay so that's when I came in and that's when it really started to just fuck shit up yeah we started take it really seriously, you know.

I don't know what the, you know, they were doing. I think, you know, the band kind of started, I feel, is like a high school thing. I never wanted to be into bands. I don't know what it was like to, like, start a band, you know, from scratch, per se, when you're in high school and stuff. But I had friends that were in bands in high school, so I can see that, you know, it's like, it starts off rocky. No one knows what they're doing.

It's like, dude, he looks so young there. He looks so young. It's wild. So this was L.A.? Yeah, we filmed it. I don't remember where, but we filmed in some studio in L.A. Oh my gosh, Adam. you're a child, dude.

Holy shit. How old were you? Wow. I don't even think I was old enough to drink, if not. I was like 20. 20-ish, 21-ish. I know, you know, I know I did drink that night. Went out and hung out with the, of course.

The crazy part is that I was in a local band, and when that album came out, I'm like, dude, this fucking shit's so nasty. That's good to hear, because when I first, when I first heard O. channel like I was like this shit sucks like and so you know I think that's a cool thing about the band is you know I I was more honestly

and we all contributed to it that and I was really impressed with the recording I've always like like incredible like for me a lot of when I listen to music it's not just a material I'm big on the mix of master and how it's recorded and shit

and if it doesn't sound good to me even if it's like good material I probably won't listen do it honestly that's just how I am totally yeah really weird yeah that's the kind of guy you gotta fight if it's if it's incredible though I'll fight through it and it's like I get it I get it whatever it's like a black metal band you really like okay I'll fucking do it yeah that's the that's the thing about like I think the band over the years in general is you know there's been this this thing with the band we've had you know for a moment these changes and shit like that but as like for at a time as like unfortunately you have to take the lead now I accept that

you know what I was looking for was to find guys like Scott you know that like where I'm weak the other guy is strong especially he's writing the music so like he has a better ear for like being meticulous about the mix and the live sound and bum bum boom and I learned through him how to get better at that you know so like it took a while for us to finally refine you know the perfect it took a lot a while actually it took the perfect combination of people to like get it to this point where now you know what have you been been like 10 10 years yeah something like that and that's that's why I'm so stoked for the future more than the past but it's cool to look on the past because without it we wouldn't

be I know it's everyone who's like we hear a lot of comments and stuff about um not coming out with material like a lot like like it's been it's been seven years I understand that guys okay I understand Besides the single, like seven years for a record. I understand that. Like, people are like, I don't get how bands come out with an album every year or two years. Because I'm so just, dude. It sucks.

I don't know. Maybe it's just because, like, I do a lot of the stuff, you know, like myself. And I don't have, like, multiple writers that help me in the band. But, like, just the fact that, like, if, when the album comes out, I can't mess with it anymore. You know what I mean? It's like, you're done. Use EMG pickups because they help you get the heaviest tone possible. Head over to emgpickups.com and use my promo code heavy at checkout and get 15% off.

And then once you write the heaviest song of all time, head over to distroKid.com slash VIP slash Garza and save 30% off your membership to get all your songs on all streaming platforms. And now to the heaviest podcast of all time. You can't go advise it now. So I think that's why it takes me long time to write music Because I want to make sure it's up to my standards And it's fucking perfect before I like send it into the label You know what I mean?

It's like that's how I feel And that's probably why it takes me so long I mean I've probably scratched 40-something ideas Like really? Yeah, that I'm like he's like this is awesome Like I'm like let me work out of it So I'll go to work, listen to it Let export, go back home

Change a couple of things re-export it go to work next day. Of course. And it's like this, a vicious cycle just fucking myself in the head, honestly. And he's always like,

dude, it's fine. It's fine. Leave it alone. Like, but you got, you got through that process. That is,

that's my weakness on writing. Like, so I can't just leave shit alone. Yeah. That's the, that's the shittiest part about the whole thing. He got through that,

he went through that process, though, on the new, the new stuff. Mm. He got through that process for the new stuff before he sent me

the most revised, versions of what's going to be our new album. So usually I also, it's like he'll do his thing, nitpicking, and I have a whole another nitpick. But when he sent me the new stuff, I was, I heard some things, but it was more like, it's not necessary, you know, sometimes you just want to add your influence. You don't need to. And that's where I had to, like, see what I was like, honestly, this shit's pretty fucking

good. I'm just going to shut my mouth and just go. Now it's even worse, because he'll send me his patterns. just randomly. And now I'm like meshing the pattern, my pattern's in with his patterns now. So it's even more complicated, which I like, you know,

it gets the music better. I think that's what gets it really good. Yeah. The guitarist and you're bouncing. When the guitarist vocalist connection is there, like some of my favorite bands, they all do that shit. I think it's one of really good.

I think it works a lot better now. Like he just sent me like, it doesn't even have to be like set lyrics. He just set me patterns sometimes. It just went off the top of his head. Just words and stuff and whatnot. That's the big... I'll, like, oh, that's a cool pattern.

Maybe I'll change the riff just a little bit to his pattern a little bit. Sometimes, yeah. Mess it a little bit. So that's kind of what we've been doing recently. That's kind of how this last album... Yeah. The one that's coming out soon.

We're not rushing the product. We're being patient with the art. I think that's where we're at with the band. Cool. That's why it takes... It's taken a while for this last album. Yeah. Well, also, I mean, it's just one guitar player

that there is a lot of pressure. The MIDI takes me forever. The drums take me fucking, I mean, I started playing drums of four guitar. So, like, I know, I'm not, like, I can't, like, sit down and play the parts, but I can, like, see it in my head, you know? And that's, like, the drums is a lot,

it takes a long time. And then usually, if I have the riff, I'll write to the drums, and I'll come over the drum part or write to the riff or I'll have, like, a backtrack or something like that. But, like, the drum, writing the MIDI out takes the longest. Are you a perfectionist?

I would say yeah. That's why, I guess that's why it takes so long for me to be happy with a two-minute idea, you know. Adam, do you think that he's too perfectionist? If he didn't, if he didn't take my advice, yes. But he's not. He takes my advice. Okay, good. If I didn't listen to him, I'd probably never come out with music.

I'd never come out with music. I'd never come out with music. He's like, yes, everyone's small as good when someone comes in and it's like, okay,

you know, this is done, sounds great. And okay, sometimes you got to just step back and like, okay, you know what,

I value and trust your opinion. Does that ever happen with you, with your guy, you and you guys? Yeah. It's like, fuck,

you guys, you guys have a crazy writing process. You guys write in a whole room together about it still, right? In a garage, yeah,

that's so bad ass. Yeah. That's so fucking hard. Yeah, I definitely want to try that. I would love to do that. It's like, Yeah.

That is, is it unheard of to do that anymore? Because everyone is fucking, I don't know. It works for you guys. You guys write killer shit. I mean, you guys built your, I can see it working because you already have your chemistry. Yeah. It's obviously like Oceanos has been you guys for quite a lot of time. So it will work.

Definitely. You know. That would be cool. And it just is something about, you're just in the same room together. You don't have to be writing like full on drummer and shit, but something about. Just fucking around. Just being in the same room, you could talk shit back and forth. Get, get kind of pissed.

That's right. Yeah. Dude, I love, I love, like, that weird energy. Because sometimes, not all the time, sometimes like, okay, you're being an asshole or your dick, but sometimes the best show will come out of it. I can play like that. No, like that. Sometimes something cool will cut out of that, the fucking tension, dude.

Yeah. Sometimes. Yeah. I get you. I get you. I remember one time we were, we were writing smoke, and then Mark just fucking walked outside. he didn't even say anything i was like i guess he doesn't like this song no shit yeah but it's turning it to be a song we uh we played live for many years

that's awesome it's cool yeah you i mean you guys you guys did the cleansing live as on the recording right yeah as a band yeah as a band dude that's so cool three three four takes and that that was it hardly picked picked the best one and then mitch put his his bowl so was he was he in a separate room or obviously he had to be in a separate room right The band played together. Yeah, band, the music was in the same room. That's crazy. Like, you know, bass is in the same room as the drums.

It kind of like, it makes no sense, but for some reason, like, it worked. It's got its own sound. Like, that album doesn't sound like any other album, in my opinion. Yeah, I wonder. I wonder. It's just the way you guys played it, the room, studio, how your engineer recorded it, you know, the mic setting, all that shit. Yeah, he's a psycho. Do you guys still work with him or no?

No, he did the first record. That was it? It's kind of one of the biggest regrets I have a little list of regrets I have in my career. Not going back. Not working with him again. Not going back and recording like one more record with him would have been sick. But we were at a period in our career where like, oh shit changed, man. I'm pretty sure Adam, you guys can relate.

Like when it's all fun when you have like no fan base and you have. your record and then you have really have you don't have like an expectation kind of like you know what I mean you're just kind of like you know what we're having fun I don't have to fucking please anyone we just you know writing shit for fun and that's it that's kind of how I felt about don't get me wrong I love the contagion album but I feel like I could have been recorded a little bit better and I feel like if Sturges would have got his hands on that that would have been Sturges should have in my looking back of reflecting that's why we did the new one we had a mix of master. I had this moment, you know, this break between the shows and stuff just

reflect on the band, life, all this shit. Good. And, you know, it's like, how do you, you know, you always want to think about how you can do things better, the past, and you do it in the present. That's how I look at it. Of course. So that was one of the things was like, if I could change one thing about the band, what I've done, it's like, all right, first, the second album, we're both tight. Yeah, concert did a great job. But we should have, we should have, I think, we should have stuck with Sturges for every single album. Wow. It's almost unheard of, but we just were very fortunate.

The first guy we went with was the guy for the recording mix and master. And we just, you know, you want to, we were always been experimental. We've always been like, you know, let's try to think. You had it. And you rub my day. And you rub my day. You blew it. It's still, it's.

It still went fine, but I think that was the magic that we should just held on to. That was the variable that could have stayed the whole time. Nothing against everybody else because, like, Zeus, be able to work with Zeus for contagion. Because, you're going to go home today and just be like, fucking shit again. I know. And whenever it keeps up, you fucking idiots. Yeah. So it sounds like it really came ahead on incisions, right?

Where, like, you weren't really stoked on that record, right? Right. Correct. that was also a big transition period for the band where we had like like it started as it started it started kind of sounding like what would be maybe like a contagion continuation and it turned into experimental things we had different we had like like two and a half lineup changes during that writing and recording process yeah so we had like dudes leaving dudes coming in some guys kind of like lingering for a second and then passing it on

So there's a lot of actually different people that help write that album. It was like over a year. We went from trying to do actual drums to having the program shit. Like it was a realistically, it was a mess of an experience. And we were behind, you know, the quota time frame for like releasing an album too.

So the label's just like, we need an album, we need an album. It's like, ideally we would have just chilled for a second, got it together. And then it's cool. God damn labels. People like it. because like I hear tons of fans of us that will talk to me online and so like that's one of my favorites where I got into the band during and soon so it's like my my perspective is different than it is and that's great because if they like once it's here here I go again with the recording I think it's terrible yeah I think the recording is so bad I don't like listening to it it's like and then the material is I don't mind the material I hear again I just if it's like when I first heard the album like I'm like they Fucked that up.

It was, yeah. It was like, yeah. I like the material, they fucked it up. It was like a base hit, maybe a two, you know, get two. It's a base hit. Yeah, a base hit, but not a home run. Like, what are they, what's going on with this guitar tone? I really.

What you use? Me right now. On that, I don't know. I don't know what they were, they were doing on that. I'm thinking they were, they were probably pulling like, like, like, they were, definitely sampled. I think they were sampling a couple. They were trying to like, maybe.

sample samples and tones and stuff and I don't remember exactly Maybe I should have went with the pod farm That should dude for me I was on some other shit That's what they used on depth's was pod farm Are you serious? Yeah Oh yeah I heard a rumor how Joey would use the Line 6 pop farms and he made

Who did a lot of it was it Carol Like tracked a lot of it? Who tracked actually Or was it Andy? Andy Tracks So one of them either like one of them tracked a lot the album but he made uh joey made them uh he made them track four times and layer it four times so they probably hated that there was a lot of redundancy yeah across the board which is cool but

sounds sick though yeah yeah it's it's held up which i've just realized that more recently too like that's probably why a lot of people like it a lot and it's it's considered timeless to our fans it's because it's it doesn't sound like it's that old really just cool yeah because you can hear the age in certain albums if you listen you can for better or for worse yeah sure I yeah I crank that because it's still like the number one on Spotify so you play it and you hear you hear the blast beat and now it's like what's the word it's classic now so shit that's that's

that wow that's they're OGs now man that's it has it's that sound you'll Well, you're never going to get away from the br-d-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-gun-gun. I'm never going to get away from that. That's it. That'll always be the band's thing, which is fine. You know what's worse? Not having that. Yeah, true.

Exactly. Dude. Have you ever been in a point where, like, you got jaded? And he's like, oh, like, all these things are just like, oh, no. I've been through it. It's weird. And then, and then you come back around. Something has to, something kind of has to happen in your life where, like, you kind of come back around.

And then you had this newfound appreciation for music and some of your songs. Yeah. District is that. District is that for me. It was like. Yeah, you're probably sick of playing that. I love it. No.

Everyone says that I used to just, the only reason I was sick of it was because, once again, I'm a forward guy. Sure. So, like, I never wanted early in especially. I just didn't. I knew that song was a hot one, you know, obviously. But I just didn't want that as a single. They didn't originally. They did.

And we pushed over. Of course. Of course he don't fucking want that. Just didn't want the band. You know, I didn't want the band to be a one-hit wonder. Like, you know, at that point, it's like, district's the one. It was like, all right, let's keep pushing forward. Let's not over-focus that this is a hit.

Forward, forward because that's still going to be a hit if it's a hit. So I just, I never wanted to be stuck in that. District's their only song. You know, that was the thing I was most worried about. But now I like playing it. It's tight now because we don't even have, we used to play at the end of the set all the time, you know, because we were new. So, like, that's something.

we're new, it's the most energy, so we had to play it last because we at least get some good energy into the set, if nowhere else in the set. Now we don't have to, and it's cool because we actually play the newer stuff, and I've noticed, like, you know, stuff that he's been a part of, like, a sentence, revelation, mass produced, one to one. I fucked myself on that song. It's so hard to play. You have once on the fucking play, dude.

It's hard on the right, man. It's hard to play, okay? Hard for me to play. Sure. I gotta like like warm up and shit Yeah Do you warm up? Do you warm up before I suck? I had to warm up

I gotta warm up I have to man You don't have I don't warm up Playing power cords over here bro I gotta warm up Stepping up All game for power cords I will only

Strictly barcord Yeah Strictly man But it's cool to here item That you like came back around Yeah It's I do enjoy that song It's nice to like

See the pop Because that's how you know Where the OGs Now it's like That's the OGs If they know district, they're OGs. Like, there's people that are like, yeah, but the other people

that are like, yeah, that's an OG because they're connected to when it first came out. Yeah, it's crazy, huh? You see that with your fans, too, probably a lot when you play little stuff, yeah. Oh, totally, totally. Oh, yeah. And like the, you only get, watch that. Oh, yeah, those, yeah, uh, Yolo, unanswered, those have a new life now. Yeah.

They just kind of came back around. They're like, oh, shit, like, you actually like playing it. And then you're thankful. Yeah. Oh, shit. First, it was a time where I don't like, playing this and it kind of came back around. Oh shit. I like it. What, uh, what, what,

what happened to you, Adam where like you kind of came back around? Like, what was there, was there a moment in, in your life that, that they made you start to appreciate it? Yeah, I think this one would be fun for like,

the people who aren't bands that joke about this. Um, but it is that literally. It's, for me, it's, I have these moments where I like dip my foot back in the, let's call it the matrix,

you know, like the, the kind of like nine to five, I view whether it's just side hustle when I'm not on tour or whatnot. And especially more recently, I just kind of had to sit back and realize the, you know, I was trying to, I was trying to basically remove myself from the band life 100%. And what I had, what I came to realize was the problem with it was for me, what it wasn't working for me was I was sacrificing a lot of things that to get things that didn't serve me.

You know, like, like, with time with family, things like that. You know, there's a way to do touring and do. band and stuff and still have time for family. Yes. Friends, your personal life, you know, and just peace for a second, taking a break. True.

Dude, we were just going, like, whole time. Yeah, when I, yeah, when I first started with you, it was nonstop. Dude, I gave up everything to just do O'Sha. Everything. You've been there, too, guys. I mean, you guys had that, probably that year,

those years span where you're just, like, eight months out of the year, you know what I'm saying? Just everything. Yeah. That's kind of, I guess. I got, and I was, I was in a local band, you know, before. I wasn't any, any other band, like, with my brother, you know, and then he liked, he liked my band, and then he came out on his 30th birthday on one of her shows.

I'm like, is that, is that Adam Warren? And my singer's like, that's Adam Warren. And I'm like, this guy came out with his band. I'm like, don't fuck the, don't fuck the setup, dude. He came out with his band, and this was in my old neighborhood, too, where I grew up. doing bad guy wrestling and shit cross the street and he's in his basement and he comes out with his band and he i'm i'm paying attention like okay tracks you know they got a cool little intro there's no there's no breaks between the set you know like it's just moving yeah they're playing

and but they're playing i'm just like they're slam and you know i was like this is the heaviest shit i've ever heard in chicago ever and i was like we need members that's that's the guy that i got to get in this fucking band. I saw it. I was like, this guy knows what he's doing. I know he's in his room. He's writing music in his room on the computer. Like, we need to level it up, you know.

Because you had like, like, Born and Ols Cyrus that had set the bar, I think, for Chicago bands. Oh, wow. That's cool. You know, like with how Cam's doing shit. Like, Cam was doing all the stuff that we're doing with our band years before. And so, like, I saw that with Scott. And I was like, this is how we're going to level the band up or at least get the

momentum moving. So that's a kind of cool little thing. Yeah, after so like, yeah, 2013, that's kind of, he asked me to fill in and then I like that. Asked the deadline. Was that, was that strategic? Yeah, the trial. The trial. Yeah. I didn't know, but and I was like, dude, I'm going to fucking, I already had like a couple ideas I had written before. I was like, so that after I got the phone call from him, I'm like, and like, I went home, like I started writing like crazy. I'm like, I'm going to fucking write some shit. I'm going to show this motherfucker or what I'm made of. And I literally, and I was like,

awesome. I waited and, like, you know, push it. Like, first day, like, filling in on a tour, you know. I'm like, kind of waited a little bit. I got to know him a little bit. And, like, I say, I probably, like, at the end of that tour, then my first tour, I'm like, hey, Adam, I'm going to send you some music.

Let me know what you think. Just listen to it. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. You played my ass. No, just kidding. You had the, I didn't know that part about, like,

you had written some stuff. Oh, I did it on purpose. Totally on purpose. I mean, I, because I, in my opinion, I thought that the music that they had out wasn't as good as my shit honestly. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie. I'm not gonna lie.

I'm cool. I'm very... Because they're raising with me up. I can fucking do some shit here. I like, if I have a good singer behind me, I feel like we mean this guy could do some awesome shit. Honestly, that's what I was...

I was like manifesting in my mind. Like, I feel like I can actually be in this band even though I was just filling in for the first tour. I'm like, dude, this is my fucking foot in, I think, in this, like, to be in a band. maybe right now and I'm even professional. That's kind of, I literally manifested in my head.

Huh. It's like, I can do this. So I fucking kept riding, kept writing, kept writing, kept writing. So you went on that first tour and did you really get that vision in your head? Yeah, oh yeah. Oh, yeah. After that tour, I was telling my dad, like, this is going to be it. I think just like, I got a good feeling about it.

I don't want to go back to school. I was like, can I just write in the basement for another year? He's like, you're fine. That's cool. It's like, do what you want to do, man. It's cool. Cool, I got you. So my dad was a really big help with that.

My family was super supportive. Papa Smith. Yeah, super supportive. He's come out to a ton of shows. Yeah, yeah. Hung out. Yeah, that's cool. Family helped me out, definitely.

That's great, man. Do support from our family sometimes is, I mean, they came through. Everything, you know? They always do. Yeah, I've had a lot of support from my mom and dad. Like, a lot of support. If I didn't get their support, we probably wouldn't be a band anymore.

Right. Yeah, because, yeah, you have, like, you have, like, the lows. and they're kind of there to make sure you're all right Yeah, absolutely I mean make sure you're alive It's not I mean totally It's crazy Hey Scott what was your

Oh round two you fuck What was that? What was you signaling to? Hey do you want to grab me something I don't know This guy's over here He looks like he's got roadies Fill me up

Can you give me a black tooth grin It's only 1 30 man Oh yeah What was your band called Delta A band was called Delta? A band was called Delta yeah. Delta.

Yeah. It's like a... Is there anything out? Yeah, there's a whole bunch of shit. Really? Oh, shit. Okay. Yeah, dude. It's a Delta official.

Like, it's all over there. The OGest people like in, that are also Oceano fans. It's like, uh, go to YouTube. It's on YouTube. Delta band. It's nasty. So, so you saw it and you're like, okay, this is like the heavy shit ever. Yeah.

He released something like, after we got off a tour. Like, I think it was a couple years ago or something. Okay. But he had released a... How long? Yeah. How long we got?

Well, we're supposed to load in it in six minutes. We could always... We're in Uber back. That's what I assume we're going to do. If that's cool, yeah. That's, yeah, the voyage one. I'll keep it quick. That's the first out of my ever wrote right there.

Holy shit, dude. All right, we're going to go. All right. See, Adam. See Alex? Yeah. Shut up. It's cool.

That's how I thought we were going to do it anyway, so. We're straight. We're straight. Appreciate it. Delta. So this is the first shit that you wrote. Yeah, that's the first album I ever wrote as a musician. Delta official Chicago. So if you're listening, you're watching, that's their name on YouTube. Who's that, Scott?

That's my buddy Holden. A good own old friend. Nice. Delta official on YouTube. Is that you doing a playthrough? Hey, look how young I am. Holy shit. Are you ripping here, dude?

Oh my god, look at this. The typewriter? Text? What's going on? Whoa. Oh my God, bro. With the fucking R.G. Hey, Jay, crank this for like 10 seconds.

That's not it. You play the... No, that's not it. What the hell is that? You got something else in the background. That's Adam Warren singing. Yeah, it's an incision song in the background. That was Scott Riffing.

Yeah, what the fuck else is? The podcast is. Here it is. Jamie would not fuck that up on Rogan. You know what I'm saying? Okay, here it is. Okay, we're going.

Oh, shit. Damn, Scott, really? Yeah. What is this from? What year? I'm guessing 11, 2011, I'm guessing. 11 years ago. 11 years ago, dude.

Okay, Adam, I'm sorry to see what you saw. Yeah. Okay, this is like, there's, there's something here. Yeah. You know? I'm very fortunate that you believed in me, too, honestly. I've always believed even from I learned it from the local days because I would never even want to be in a band It was just something that I was brought into when my local scene days

But I started to realize that with a good guitarist The vocals can get pushed to be better and rise and be a better vocalist It's like it's a give-and-take kind of thing So I knew that from the start as like if I can find a guitarist who can challenge me and Push me and like and this and afraid to like do things that they're not accustomed to doing, that's going to allow me more room

to write, you know, so like, you give me, you know, a fast, you know, I don't know, like fast, you know, really like wittily riff. I'm going to rise to that occasion. Maybe I'm only used to doing slams and gutterls for the last two albums, but you give me something, I'm going to try and body it. You know, I'm not just going to run away from and go to what's comfortable.

I'm going to try and reinvent my own approach. So that's what you did. Garza, you would agree with me right on this one. We're not shredders. I go off a feel When I write and just I try to riff like and that's like That's my thing you know

I've always just been like a just a straight riffer And like the solo like the like the Shreddy shit like I'm like I'm like I'm not gonna lie I probably should like should be practicing a lot of like the arpeggio shit But that doesn't like that doesn't tickle my funny bone at all really No You know what I mean like that's just not my writing style I don't know maybe maybe I'm being like just a lazy guitar player

It's not your vibe. I don't know. No, it's not. You know, I don't know. It's just, but I've seen, like, there's, like, so many guitar players out there that I feel, in my opinion, that, like, they spend their whole life learning that style, but they can't write a fucking song. Dude, it happens a lot. Do you know what I mean? Would you agree with me?

Yeah. It's like, I'm not going to name names, obviously, but, like, yeah, I've heard just so many, like, dudes that are just incredible guitar players, but the, like, the, the, like, the song, they, like, they, like, they. composed there's no hook there's it's like just a emptiness to me that's that it's just it's a weird thing there's more there's more practice to be done than just the practice because you're practicing you can practice also the creative side and i feel like that's yeah help me out like on like like like you know but i mean even before it was cubase it's called nuendo steinberg new endo Okay. I started on doing like the, from on the doll, like, really, like, early when I was, like, 19, you know?

So that, even, like, trying to figure out structuring songs, like, bringing riffs back and stuff like that. That's what I was interested in doing, like, making a whole song, you know. That's kind of what helped me over the years. Yeah, composing the music, right. You know, you knew your style, you know? Yeah, definitely. It makes me feel good when I hear it, you know? Yeah.

That's, like, I'm, like, super passionate about. like how that makes me my my own music makes me feel that's that's how I like that's why I like writing the music you know it's one of the most important parts yeah how you feel that if you feel good then it's naturally part of the I'm not thinking about do you think people will like this I don't give a fuck if people like it I what it's what I like you know that's how I always been yeah it's like it's like this opposite way of thinking like to connect with your and people, you have to not give a fuck about them.

Yeah, you gotta be true. Yeah, you gotta be true to yourself first before. It makes no sense to say it. Those people, that'll come after. You gotta do your own thing and then that'll come after. People like it, that's great. If they don't, so be it. It's like, it comes from here first.

Yeah, it's like you don't, exactly. Like you don't go here to here, you go here to there. Exactly. You know, it's hard, it's hard to explain that kind of like, like the process, you know. Absolutely. But it's cool. There's so many, there's so many,

ways of guitar and vocal there's so many different like you could be you could be a songwriter you could be a shredder you could be a rhythm player there's there's so many I don't think any of them are better or worse people try people try to say this is better than this but that's that's that's fucking stupid you know and yeah a lot of egos there too like you like people will probably look look at us and like oh they're just doing some chugs if it's that easy then you do yeah you do it yeah It's like that, like, unexplainable, you know, a thing. You know, there's a lot to the craft, obviously, with anything.

Like, I, it's kind of off subject a little bit, but I just watched the documentary on Hans Zimmer, the composer. He did, like, Lion King. He's done movie scores and shit. That dude is fucking incredible. Like, he, like, goes off of, like, just the sounds he hears in his, like, head. And, like, just, he, he came up with, like, doing, instead of hiring a whole bunch of, of musicians to go in a spot to do like the score. He ended up doing it on a computer in the 80s and shit.

Oh shit. He composed it on the computer. He was the first first composer like in 80s? Yeah. Was there was computers in 80s? Mm-hmm. Yeah. Oh shit.

Yeah. They didn't, I mean the sounds and they didn't like the, they didn't sound good. Like but like he like he did Rain Man. That was his first like Emmy or Grammy or whatever for like he won like, no Oscar for that. Yeah. You mean you know Rain Man, right? No. The movie?

Yeah, the movie, yeah. And then he did... Rain Man? Yeah. Go, I'll check it out. Rain Man. Got Delta and Rain Man. It's with Tom Cruise.

Is it? Tom Cruise? Is it in it? Yeah. Is he in it? And Dustin Hoffman? Yeah. Is it?

Yeah. All two words. Oh, that's that... Yeah, that was his first... Those two words, okay. And they did Lion King. He's done everything. That's...

Rain Man, it's one of those movies. I see it. cover all the time, but I always skip it. It's kind of a great movie. It's awesome. He always skip it. Okay, so now I'll see it next time. Don't skip it.

Okay, I'll play. Okay, I'll play it. I actually haven't seen it either. He did Interstellar, dude. Bits. He's on everything. Hans Zimmer is like the goat. He is.

Yeah. And I like, I like, I like hearing him talk like this because I'm still in that mindset of when I, like, met him in the basement where it's like, all right, if this motherfucker is on, that kind of shit, you know, he's expanding his creativity.

I like that. I don't even listen to fucking metal. Yeah, I know where, he's setting us up for. So it's like he's becoming more of a composer than just a metal guitarist. And it's like, okay, I can work with that too because that allows me to get ready for like, he's gonna come at me with like soundscapes.

You know, I know that's the thing because it's on the new album. There's soundscapes. And it's like, now I get to decide should there be vocals in these spots? or not, you know, like, I want to match that. Yeah, I put you in a tough spot kind of. We're not doing, you know, maybe, I'm sure there's, there's, there's, there's, there's,

there's kind of parts of new I'm like that where it's like, one specific part where it's like, there needs to be vocals there, but it's not foreground vocals. It's, it's part of the, this, the, the ambiance. So, like, that's kind of where I think we're taking it for one part of his writing and stuff, which is cool. It's not just about being heavy now. It's more like, how do we make this, like, yeah. The feel of the song.

It's going to be heavy, but we're trying to get you to feel something too at the same time. Not just the subs. I think you missed an 808 there. It should have been an 808 right there. It happens. Sometimes, like, you're not to fucking records out. I wish you fucking put an 8th weight there right there. Yeah, it's like.

Even like the small shit like that. I'm like, how do you miss that? The fuck. I know. You're so in it. So many fucking times. You're still fucking in it, though. It's talk.

I know. It's like, it's from your fucking computer all day. Dude, I hate it. And then, were you right? It's a love-hate relationship. It is. But something that keeps you going back, you know? Remember, like, before, like, when I was talking, like, earlier, like, it's hard to get into it, too.

You know, you like, the writing, like, sometimes it's, I won't, I won't write anything for months, you know? It's like, but you got to, I know it's the bad thing. You got to be persistent. You got to be on your guitar, like, every day. I know I get it, but like sometimes I'm just not feeling it. I just want to step away for a while. It's better. Yeah.

You don't want to burn yourself out because that burnout time could be longer than, that could be longer than anything else. If you just keep grinding and you're not feeling it, that you have that burnout could last a year. Now you're not having any. Yeah. I mean, I'll still like, I'll still play, you know, like even to the songs or whatever, but like for writing that like I need to have that itch or else it's like,

it's like that doesn't do anything for me. I don't know. You gotta want it, dude. Yeah, really, yeah. You have to, like, sometimes you'll, like, see, like, the, like, guitar there, I'm like, nah. Yeah, it's like, nah.

But sometimes you're like, I gotta play it. I have to play. Exactly, yeah, you get that little spark. You're like, oh, I feel something. Let's, let's do it. Yeah, yeah. Sometimes, like, like, your fucking day is going by so quickly. And you're late, like, you take, for example, like,

I'll come a little bit later than I would like to go to the San Anna, but I see a guitar in my room, like, I've got to sit down for a minute. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. It makes sometimes... You do that? You do that still?

All course. Fucking, that's awesome. Sometimes, like, you just kind of... So you're not... You'll do that. You're like, oh, wait for practice. Sometimes. Yeah, it kind of goes, but if you see it, I'd be like, fuck, no,

or sometimes you got to get something out. I'm kind of hungover. I don't really want to play guitar right now. Dude, sometimes playing hungover, it works. Because... I don't disagree. Because your brain's off. Yeah.

Because the brain's not working, so, like, you're a force to play what? You don't second-guess yourself. Sometimes I'll be I'll wake up hung over and I was like oh I'll fuck start playing It's something this could come out You're like you're like wait a second because your brain's not fucking working it can't work It's not a cloud day that it's not a day that it's a fucking day Yeah the next day you don't even know what you created you kind of get listen to it again You're like yeah like oh shit you're like oh

I wasn't thinking there I still got it right yeah it's dude it's a it's a it's a miracle that both our bands are still here playing this style of music you know how that happened this genre exploded the last like four years wouldn't you say

it's been it's been more popular of a genre than ever right I'm gonna look straight at one of these cameras I'm like I don't know what the fuck happened I'm still like just you know I'm just probably in the last two years

getting out of my house more than like for like a couple days so I don't know I'm just here and you know If the people are down with it, we've been trying to get it to this point for a minute. So I'm happy to see, you know, the death core, death metal. And metal in general, you know, get to his point where it is being more accepted.

And at least there's people that'll come up. I'm like, I've never been to a metal show now. And they're just like, I'm liking it. It's cool to just experience that now, you know, like, hey, I've been listening to your band for X amount of years or where I just got into your band. You know, all of that stuff is more frequent than I ever remember it. anytime before, like, let's call, like, the lockdown period, because we kind of took a break. But it's still like a twilight zone to me, honestly, where it's like, oh, shit, like, Death Course is selling out venues.

Like, 2018, that wasn't the thing for us. No, no, no, no. No, it wasn't. Is this something, we shifted into some different dimension, but I'm cool. It's like, a lot of the stuff we see with the turtles, the turtles, like, a lot of the stuff I feel like that we grew up being into. whether it be non-music or music. It comes full circle. We were right.

That's what we were fucking right. It is fucking cool. It's about time these motherfuckers understand it. The shit that like art and the creative things. It is cool. Like it always has been. It's nice that some people are waking up to appreciate it and join the party with all the rest of us.

You just said I didn't realize until right now. Dude, we were right. Yeah. They were all fucking wrong. Oh, this shit fucking sucks. It's going nowhere. It'll be gone in 10 years. they're all wrong.

We fucking all stuck because of, without knowing it as kind of like a team, all our bands are doing our own thing and we were right. It stuck and now it's bigger than ever. Yep.

It's nice. Fuck you guys. Because it's simple. It's simple. It's in your face. It's meaningful. It's simple and it's in your fucking face. That's the aggressive music

that I love writing. With a little bit of little rainbows on top. Yeah. A little fucking, yeah. A little fucking higher up. You know what? I'll go up here.

every once of your record you like oh go away one time record i'll try i'll try maybe once for two records you know but it's uh it's uh even though it's going great now it's unfortunate that our bands kind of tour too late like it was us white chapel you guys yeah kind of effects it was a great tour but it was years too late it's like i would agree with that there was like a first there's like initial bubble pop right and then like that's the moment where like we should all tour together and it didn't fucking happened. Because all you guys like, you guys were headlining, like your band was

headlining, you know, all those your band were headlining, you know what I mean? So it's like, why would we, who wants to do the four or five, who wants to do the three of five? Yeah, you guys are talking talking about talking about, that's probably why it probably never happened because all you guys were on top of your game.

You know, everyone was fucking so at a point. Yeah. It's like like I said, who wants to be the two of or 3 to 5. Well, I'm not playing her to them. I'm not gonna play. I'm not fucking, we're killing it right now.

You know what I mean? Would you agree? Yeah. It's probably why that tour never happened. Yeah. Every band at every level wouldn't, didn't want to play at that level. Exactly.

It sucked, dude. I mean, it happened. It was cool. It's better or nothing. But man, we would have did it at the right time. Right. And we were all just shut the fuck up.

He goes aside a little bit. There's still time. There is still. Well, now there's time. Now it's different. I'll do this shit until. the day I die. We could still

do that, that OG run it, line up a tour, Garza. I'm always, I'm always, I'm always, I just got to convince him

and after that, we're good. I'm always, I'm always down. Got to fucking convince Scotty? Yeah. Scotty's too hotty, dude. I remember, dude.

Don't get a fucking hammered. Scottie, it's too hotty, dude. I'm like, what do you think Garzi Garzi want to do a fucking shot? He's like, Scott, it's 10 o'clock in the morning,

bro. Let me get some coffee. I'm like, all right, all right, all right. I'll be back in a little bit. And then you're like, you turn around and I was like, the fuck is wrong with this dude. You were very out there. It's cool.

You're always out there hanging out with the bands out there in the morning. Try to mingle a little bit, you know. Get a feel for the venue and stuff. Making sure everything's cool. I don't know. I'm trying to make sure they just, you know. With the beer is having fun. Yeah, everyone's having.

I want to make sure. I remember that. We're all in it together. we're on tour as when we're touring bands and stuff it's like you gotta look out

for each other that's what I feel like it's just that's how I always been when I go on tour and shit just get to the venue all the bands are there

kind of okay he's going he's doing this he's doing that everyone's kind of getting out of their getting out of their vans and shit

on the tour buses kind of England a little bit setting the stage up seeing where I can go you know making sure everyone's cool you know

everything's cool seeing where I where I could drink a beer seeing where the nearest shithole bar is, yeah Oh yeah, dude I feel bad for For women that shows

Because they don't realize When the bands show up We go straight to the woman's bathroom first They only do It's like, oh my goodness I feel bad You're about to fucking destroy this thing Oh yeah

Because you can't shit on the buses You can't, no Unless you got a like a Taylor Swift bus Or something Or you know Dave Matthew's bus or some shit Well, the way Death Corps is going, it might be on the horizon. We get shitter buses.

Oh, man, boy. Two toilets, one for the shitters. I've made it, Dad. I did it. I'm a shit in Scotty's bunk, dude. I was like, what is that? I'm kidding. I know that's a Garza shit.

I know that's a garza shit. It's got to be Garza shit. Shit. Now I see what does brother Brits come from, dude. It's a heavy shit, dude. Come on, man. Oh, this is too much, dude. But, dude, we gotta do a tour, man.

You guys, wait, you don't have to tell me, but do you guys got anything lined up, like, material-wise or anything? Or you guys got to be doing, brewing some ideas soon or something like that. No record coming out this year? No, dude. I think, let's see, we're in, oh, it's 420 today. Pretty sick. Hell yeah. That was the other part.

I don't do you, do you smoke? Do you smoke? A little bit. I don't. I don't smoke. I do. You guys can do your thing. I'll just, I've laid, I've chilled out, and I figured I was going to see, I was going to see if you'd catch it today.

Because for all y'all, all y'all watching, if you're an aspiring vocalist, and I always say this, don't be like me. Do as I say. And what I say is, if you're trying to be a professional. You probably shouldn't be smoking, but I do be smoking sometimes What the hell? It's contradicting yourself. No, but it's 420. We're in California.

We're on the Garza podcast. What the fuck you're gonna do? And we're playing anaheim. The last thing I need is you coming on stage like this, like you're just like, I don't, I can't feel my... I don't know what I'm at least. I don't know what I'm atables. Is usually the vibe. Not me.

Oh gosh. I'm not, I can't do it. Usually it's edibles, but. But it's something about smoking, like, because we were, like, not touring for a long time. So I definitely got into a groove of smoking, but it's just a community vibe, you know. Whether you're in a cigar lounge or a hook lounge or you're at a bar, to me, like, that's, you know, it's like that communal, like, pass around that I like. The last time I did anything like that, took a rip with, I was on, it was like with grin. We were blowing smoke in your bunk.

That, no, that No, I took a fucking dab. It was the first time I ever took a dab Before I played from Bart Tom The first time, they did a dab? Yeah Oh, that's fucking stupid And I'm about to go on stage

I'm like, I forgot to play guitar I forgot to play guitar I forgot how to play guitar It's two notes, man, come on Dude, I was like freaking out What am I doing right now? Oh I was fucking freaking out

Wow Never again, never again No, dude I don't know Yeah, that shit fucks me up too much. Whose idea was that? Tom. I'm gonna blame it on Tom Barber on that one.

No, I think it's because you've probably been drinking all day. You know what, this is a good idea. Good idea. Yeah. A terrible idea, I'll tell you that. Your first dad. He's like, just take it a little bit. I'm like, all right, fuck it.

I'm about to go on stage. I took a rip and I was like walking to like the green room. And like, this is me. Like, that's why I felt like I was. Oh, shit. Oh, this is not good. This is not good. This is not. Oh, fuck.

This is not good. Scott, you got wings, dude. Come on. I put on the guitar and I go, I forgot how to play. I forgot how to play guitar. How'd that set go? I got through it. Apparently, I didn't notice it.

Wow. I was just in my own head, though. I mean, I was fine, but. Usually you're in your own head. Yeah. I mean, I was, that was fine. I was just fucked. I was fucked up, man

I never done a dab before I was ripped The rule is if you try anything new When you're out on the road You wait till after the show You don't do it right before Don't take anything from it That's the rule

Don't take any, no more dabs Because then you just pass out That's what I do You know True Just take a little bit I'm the I probably took three dabs in my life

And that shit sucks That wasn't before a show Right no I'm a professional I am not I'm a OG professional dude I fucking did after the show okay I like I actually like them's they feel a little they feel like cleaner right they're cleaner yeah if you're going like I'm I like to play it safe you know especially

in the past when it came like smoking or anybody in our crew that'd be smoking and shit like I would always be like we can do that if you want to do you know whatever you want to do go ahead but like let's be as discreet as possible so I use like if you want to bring a bowl bring it make sure you you just clean it out you're like those kind of things so I'll always be like a bowl thing throw it away before you go to the fucking throw all your shit away before you go to Canada shit you know but I was like rip a bowl with people if anything you know very rarely yeah that fucking contraption that's way that's that is a that's fucked right there they'll grab your

dude those are go back yeah it's like just you're going out of your way to get completely torched that's not that's not clean that's that's that it's not cleaner that's definitely dirty that's some dirty shit right there the glass ones like the glass like a dab rippers like those ones those are the legit ones I like that shit yeah yeah like a fucking tour thing it's like what is it called

I don't yeah I don't know it I got a lot of friends that get down and I'm just around you know since sometimes I join you gotta heat it up okay okay you gotta heat that shit up like that hot it's like this doesn't look like I'm not interested in this

but they're really persistent they're like serious they were very serious about their dabs serious about it. And I can, I can respect that. Do you see like the, the honeycomb? It's like clear. It's like a yellow bit clear.

I'm like, I, like, you know, it's like, they're like explaining to me the dabs. I don't know, I don't know anything about it. And they're like, yeah, when it's like cloudy, it's not like, it's not like percolated correctly. I don't know what the fuck you're talking about. But they're passionate. Yeah. I mean, it's cool. Whatever.

They like it. Like a honey like that? Yeah, like that. What is that? Is that it? A dab? Yeah. It does?

It does? Look like. honeycomb yeah the concentrate shit yeah that's dangerous honeycomb I have a feeling there's gonna be some of that around around tonight oh dude what the leah oh that's just resin that's that's garbage right there it's called black tar opium yeah that apparently broke the cleansing mark mark and Alex are smoking black on the ends black tar opium or just res or opeum or res not heroin what fuck a

Brez and... Reds and... Out of like... They have... Of choice? Or just like... There's a little opium down over there at the... Oh yeah.

We're still broke, dude. Yeah, I know. So they were scraping that shit. I've done it before. Oh, I've done it. Oh, yeah. These motherfuckers in my van, same thing. Like, there was moments where, like, the dudes that were smoking.

They'd be in the back. I wasn't even smoking at a time. They're just... Remember that? They're just scraping all the shit out of their ball. I'm just like, we just buy it more. Like, we can't. We got like, you know, it's like, we got our, maybe it's time to chill.

Waiting out our $5 per diem. Yeah. I was like, I got a time. You guys haven't eaten today. Yeah. So apparently that, uh, the resin gives you a headache. Yep. Yeah.

So they wrote to cleansing nut all headaches. Yeah. headaches. Headaches. Coffee black, black tar fucking resin, dude. That fucking wrote some heavy shit, dude. And I was, I was always sober. I don't, I don't like being in a room.

Because someone, someone kind of has to be like, like, directing it. Right. When you're, when you're writing, though, you don't like being clouded at all? Or you like being, you like being, like, completely sober when you're like with the guys trying to write? Yeah, there's a time and place. Like, High would be, like, alone at night. If I'm trying to just to fuck around experiment.

I see. But if I'm, like, in the room, like, okay, we're all going to write as a unit. Yeah. I can understand that. Right. Yeah. Because I don't know what Ernie is doing. He's a psychopath drummer.

Ernie's so badass. The fucking last podcast, he should have drunk, I'm like, dude, this is... Oh, no. I'm sure it was a hell of a time. Yeah, and I think Mark smokes still when we jammed. Eddie's just Eddie. Eddie. You know, yeah.

So I kind of, someone kind of needs to be, like, really present. Okay. You know, so that's... Someone has to be with it. That's me. Yeah, okay. I think that's probably how it would be if we did that in all-in-one space writing process is I probably...

You would need your drink. Honestly, I'd be the same way. I wouldn't. You would need your drink. You'd have to have your drink. Let me finish. All right. Oh, here we go.

If that happened, if we ever tried doing that, I would be like setting the day up, you know. We'll get everything going. Set the day up. We'll jam for like a couple hours. Get the flow going. And then Uncle Skitt has a couple drinks. And then we're going to go. We're going to go.

I can see that. A couple doubles. Okay, I can see that. A couple of Cork-Kee. and Jackie, you know? Like, get the, get the, like, the vibe going. Maybe there's a couple

tracks that have already been worked on. Okay. All right. I could see that. Yeah, I probably would do the same thing, like taking edelores. Yeah, we, like, we get, like, getting somewhere.

Like, you know, like maybe 30 seconds of some material. We've been, like, just kind of fucking around with that day, you know, getting, getting, at least getting somewhere. And then take, take lunch, come back. Take a little sip.

A little sip. A little sipy poo, you know? A little sip. Okay, I'm going to take that from you. A little drinky poo. A little drinky poo. Oh my goodness, dude Yeah, what's your

What was your rig for the latest song? Sounds sick Like the The rig The amp? Yeah Dude, I've been using that same tone Since like I got my Kemper

It's a It's with It's the same exact tone From the Red From Ascendance I got from Putney it's a PRS Rcon mixed with a 6505 head blended there was a couple you know EQ like chains and shit in there

and then there's like four the cabs but then I like tweaked it a little bit but I still use that same tone to this day yeah live and everything yeah I just loved it so much I was like I love the swell and everything on there and like yeah it's becoming like your it's like your sound now because you've been using it yeah everyone tries to take it

Everyone wants my patch for some reason Hey can I get your patch? No no You get your own patch Dude give them give him a fake patch It's like just like a shitty fucking just like a shitty like spider head patch or something like Oh my god They're like oh it's like oh shiano yeah It's like it's like when a girl gives you like like a fake number

Yeah Yeah I got Scott's patch Yeah Alliance alliance Six spider Okay I went that long

I'm sorry. Sorry, Chuck. You know what, let's, let's, the blue voodoo. How about that? Let's do blue voodoo. Okay. A blue poopoo, yeah. If you found, if you found, keep it.

I feel like that I, I love it, dude. You mean, you, you've been working with your same, your same head, like, forever, too, you know? I came back to it. Wait, you switched and you came back? I came back. Well. I got the, I got a, I got a PV-51-52 that we used for the first record. I came right back.

I found on Craigslist. Did you, um. I miss the tone so I got it. I bought a bull circle. I'm buying all the shit I sold. No shit. In 2007, I'm trying to find it all again. Really?

Really? I made so many mistakes in my fucking career. It's silly. I think we all have, though. Yeah. Nothing's ever perfect. You know that. And now I have a podcast trying to relearn things.

You had the Mesa for a while, right? Yeah. The dual rack? That's probably the only thing I... That shit sounded awesome. Yeah. A two-channel triple For my the 90s

Was it, did you have it rebiased or anything Or like retube with any other tubes or? Like sixes. Okay, no like no like rubies or like JJs or anything like that? Nah, no. Just a fucking a pedal in the front and Before my camper I had the six I was running in the 6505-plus with

Subtexts. Okay. Yeah, like had the dude, there's a guy over by where I live that like does like a lot of cool electronics shit and like he does rebiasing and stuff. And he like, he hotwired it a little bit, like, hotter. So, like, I kind of regret it. But, like, every, after every two and after, like, I would have to retube it

because they're, like, they were shot because I had them hot wire a little bit hotter. So, but it sounded sick. I kind of missed that head, honestly. There's nothing better than a tube head, bro. And never goes away. You just have, like, the sound in your head. You're like, okay, I'll fucking buy that amp again. Yeah, yeah.

And then it feels so good. Even just a habit. If I never used it again, I just want it there. me in my opinion though like i the the 51 50 in my opinion was was good but it had this like sizz like high-end sizzled and like that i like heard the 6505 i felt like was more rounded okay that's just what i heard but like i should probably try it out and then like the cab you can't go wrong with the the um the straight um not marshal what was it mesas mesa the straight mesa the straight The straight, yeah, the straight mates up.

I'm trying to get them, dude. Those are such a great universal cab. They are the best. Yeah. It's just straight four by 12. That's it. So hot. I had two of them.

What are you doing? I already had them. I had everything. What did you? I was going to get over like a fucking idiot. I'm sure. I'm sure you can call someone right now after this podcast and be like, I need two four-twels and they send them to you.

That's what I've been saying. Almost a lot of podcast. Okay, sewing. That's the one. There you go. I need a straight Mesa. They still make these, yeah? Oh, yeah?

I miss seeing them. I think Gibson. Oh, a cut some front covers for you guys on stage. Fucking A. They definitely, like, between when we used them in the past and the other bands that have. So heavy. It's got a wolfy, dude.

It's got a nice midtone. I need that wolfie. I need that chuggy. I need that wetness, dude. I'm fucking horned out right now. I'm horned up, dude. I had it. See?

God damn it. Okay, so Oceano has been OGs. You guys, even you as God, you are, you are an OG. I would consider yourself, I guess I would be an OG now. She's got to take it. You got to hammer it into them now. Accept it. This is going to be three albums with Oceano this year.

We're the longest running members of the band, so. We are. That's great, man. It's the sickest version of the band, in my opinion. I want to ask you both the same question. So since you guys have seen, like, You have seen the death course scene come out of nothing. You know, you guys were there.

Yeah, you see the ups down, see the waves, bands come and go. Like, what has been like, what has been a regret in your career? Not writing more. Honestly, not like over, like for me, honestly, over thinking shit, like I said before, and not coming out with more material. because the seven-year span, that's too long. I don't want to be tool. I hate it.

But like I said, I'm too much of a perfectionist. I felt like what's hurt my career is honestly not coming out with more albums. I should be coming out with more like maybe every three years. But that's my only regret, honestly. Yeah, being in the band. That's tough. I think. Yeah, it's tough.

But that's the truth. I think that probably There was a time where I wanted to party more And I still got the business side done But I think I I focused too much on all the distractions And I didn't sit

Sift willingly into the role of like You just got to lead the band bro You know like you're bringing in guys that have never experienced this You know You kind of let me go crazy Yeah Like, real, real in the guys a little bit, but also, like, just sit in the role of, like, you know, for me, it's just like, Adam, you don't get the party like these. Let these guys party and enjoy it.

Real them in. But you got to be the lead. I didn't take the lead as a leader for the band because I wanted to, like, enjoy it the same way. Yeah. The party and stuff, too. But we had a lot of changes in the band. And, like, you know, for that, I was the old, OG, oldest member of the band. I had to take the rain.

So there was like three, four, five years of just like trying to like manage a band as a lead band dad, but also trying to keep up with the partying side too, where it's just pick one. And you can party later. You can party on the weekend. You're like just regulated a little better. I think this biggest thing, I think that would have helped us had, I think, a quicker trajectory to what I believe we're about to get to in the next, like, this year and next year and stuff. So we're still here. But I think there was some things that, you know,

I would maybe have liked to see us get to a certain point a little bit sooner so that later will make things easier. Yeah. That, I'll rebuttal what I said too a little bit. But I feel like when you go through member changes and shit, I feel like that hurts the band, obviously. Like, and it's, it's, some bands are very fortunate. Like, they have a good glue, you know.

But then, I mean, it's hard to keep me. members. It's hard to keep everyone happy. Some people have their own path in life and shit. But I feel like that's the hardest part of being in a band. I mean, on the side of, you know, riding with the people that you're in the band with is their personal lives and shit

and, like, what they're dealing with outside of the band and, like, they've got other shit going on. It's hard to keep four or five members together. You know, it's, there's a lot of personality going in there, you know? You would agree, right? Of course. It's tough. It's tough. That is the hard,

The hardest, that's like one of the hardest parts. Like, I think the, the music is probably the most easiest part. The collaboration part is easy and it's cool. But even what changed us. Man, trying to find people to fucking, you know, play the music with you and be stoked with you. Especially in Chicago, bro. That's the thing. Like, we're working with, it's nothing against, there's great music in Chicago, but lots of us were, like, you know, like, I don't think any of us did we ever, did you ever expect to be like,

right now in this point I didn't I don't know yeah probably not I just think like for Chicago and where we're from it's like

you know everyone there's you have the guy you have people that you know everyone wants to do it in a bigger way but I don't think a lot of people

actually see themselves there and so that's the hard part it's like that and especially when you add to it like even when we're trying to like you know get things figure out

with like you know what we're doing and more recent you know we've had to have some feelings in the past and stuff And I'm like, I got to show them this guy's writing and shit. And like, they're just, they're, their, their, their legs are shaking. You know, it's like, it's the mass produced song.

Like it's telling me, they don't want to play that. You got to be able to rise to that occasion too. And not, I mean, it's not like a, I mean, it's not like, I mean, it's not like, Anthony Barone, but like, it's still pretty pretty crazy shit. Not everyone's ready for the big leagues. And that's okay. But you got to, I feel like you've got to be able. If you really want to take this shit seriously and you like, you talk to talk, like, yeah,

like, I want to. like make this shit we went through this recently like the guy I was like he was kind of like keeping us on the real I was like well it's like I'll do it but like you know I got

sort some things out I'm like dude you got the song just sent us a couple videos or something you know like of learning the song but he's like kind of procrastinating like I'm like dude I need I need to send me something of you playing it you know let's go let's go

he's like well you know I got this thing going on with work and stuff like I'm over it I'm over it I need to go I didn't I'm fucking waste my time you know that's the side they're Yeah, he was like, and he was like even like, yo, just let him go.

Let's, we'll go somewhere else. So I really wanted the guy, you know, he was a good drummer. I just, I don't, I don't know. Some people will get it in their own way, man. Yes. It's crazy. It's crazy.

It's understandable, but you've got to overcome that. Some people are really comfortable. Maybe some dudes are just, they know they're too comfortable with what they're doing. It's fine. There's going to be sacrifice if you want to, like, raise yourself up. Yeah.

So, yeah. It's not going to be comfortable. And some people think they want something But then once sometimes the opportunity A lot of us are presented Opportunities Yeah And we don't even know that they are

Right You know some say they talk to talk They say they want something But when it actually comes up Most 99% of people will back out Yeah It's crazy It's fucking nuts dude

Yeah Yeah Hey I'm busy or This and that I mean this They'll They'll Once I hear one excuse

It's okay. Yeah. Move on. I've even been there. I've had to kind of reverse myself. It's a little small. Like if someone's like, yo,

come over to the studio or something. It's just vibe. I've had that happen to. It's like, and I'm like, oh, I got a, it's like,

I really don't have shit to do. I don't have shit to do. What am I? I got a, oh, I got a drag off tonight. I don't know. It's fucking important, man.

I got an important date. I got a nine o'clock jack off at here. Yeah. Oh my goodness. What, I mean, you guys, you guys,

Imagine putting that in Siri. Hey, Siri. Set a timer at 9.30 tonight for jacking off. Thank you. Honestly, dude, I'm at that point. Set a point for 9.30 for jacking off. Dude, every minute, dude, to balance everything, I might schedule that.

Yeah, I get you. Dude, I got into this thing last week called Time Boxing. Ever heard that? I think I know what you're talking about. Yeah, you're like, it's called a Brainsup, which is basically like a to-do list. So he's brain dump everything you do for a day. Yes.

And then you pick your top three, and that's your priority. And then you put the times on the right side. And then you kind of put in each box, like, you know, say you wake up at, you know, 7 a.m. Okay, wake up and then, okay, I'm going to do number one on 11 a.m. So you write that and how long it takes. Oh, probably done it. I'll be playing guitar for three hours. Okay, that'll be done at 2 p.m.

And so you box it. So you do your brain dump. Then you write the priorities on the top. left on the all the right side you actually you actually schedule your day and that's been really helping me yeah you really really helping me look into that so about 7 30 p.m i might have to write you know some p.m comes around the dump comes the actual dump the band better not call me yeah there you go and it's very similar so i i heard about this time boxing thing i you know you ever like learn about things you realize you're kind of doing guys i can i take a pee break is that fine uh we're

about to wrap up i'm gonna wrap up i don't know you know I know you guys need to go back in the sound check. And we got a meeting too. Okay. Any closing thoughts while we hold our pee? Sorry, dude. I'm like the smallest fucking black. I'm doing the champagne.

It's fine. No worry about it, man. Yeah. Well, what I will say is I really appreciate you guys, like, reaching out to us and allowing us to do this. This has been great. I wish we had some more time. And I would spend forever talking to you. You know that.

I know we haven't seen each other a long time, but. We'll always pick up where we left off. Chad's a show. Yeah, I'll see you guys tonight. And that's when I was hard drinking. Oh, right. This is like, you know, this is, this is semi-professional. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, no, I can't go too far. But later on, it's on. Awesome, man. It's been a pleasure. And thank you for having us, you know. Adam, Scotty, I mean, thank you for being here. I have mad respect for your band. And how far you took your band?

It's been quite. It's been quite the journey with me and this guy here. Appreciate you guys. All right, I appreciate you too. All right, I don't want. That's it. Later. Later. Peace.