Garza Podcast - 136 - CABAL

Episode Date: August 5, 2024

Garza sits down in-person with Andreas Bjulver & Dennis Jovcevski Hursid from Danish deathcore band CABAL. https://linktr.ee/cabalcph SPONSORS: Click this link to purchase from Sweetwater & help support the podcast: imp.i114863.net/rnrmVB

When was the last time you mosh? Oh, so usually we have like a rule in the band that we don't do it just because if someone gets hurt Like, oh you broke your leg. That's the tour. The moneymaker. But I did it. So our guitar is Christian. He has a band called Rutherway, a hardcore band.

They played at like a brewery. And it was like this small, like long room. It was getting crazy. Like it was the worst sounding show I've ever been to. It was like, and I got kind of drunk. I'm like, I'm fucking swinging from the beams. Oh my goodness. And I didn't get caught probably.

I landed on my hand. So I couldn't move my head. probably for three months after. I was like, oh, this is why I don't play. That's why you don't play bass. Yeah. You ever drive and you sense someone is going to make the move that they make? No.

Never? I don't drive. I get you. You're driven. You just feel that they're going to make that turn or they're going to go into your lane. What is that? It's like a sixth sense. Like, when you're driven for like 10 years plus, you just get it.

It's like playing guitar. You always know which note to hit next. It's true. I don't have that because I don't really drive. Why? I don't have a car. We live in Copenhagen, so it's like public transportation is really good. Cars are really expensive back home.

So you'll take the price of a car from here, and then you add like 180% of tax on top of that, and then you have the Danish prices. And you're a singer. Yeah, also I have people to do that. That's true Kabbal I gotta say this

real quick Thank you for Returning Yeah This is the second time You guys have been here Have you the first band You have on twice

Who was Was there Signs Blines Signs? Yeah Well The last time

The first time you guys came here The audio did not record I was so embarrassed dude I felt bad and I was like just as fuck so I really appreciate your time

like okay thank you for having us yeah we're happy to be back come back you know yeah it's always a good time though dude like you guys left

and then I was gonna like mix the audio I'm like where all the tracks is it recording now we're good I see red I see waves

are the cameras are the cameras going are we live okay anyway Otherwise you can just take the video from last time and the audio from this time And kind of put it together and see what I'm overdub And let's get really high and just watch it

That would be sick It'd be awful I think It triggers like One thing that triggers my awesome This is really bad is like when the voices are off and stuff Have you ever like try to like When I was younger sometimes I download like a movie Like a pirate movie

And the voices would be kind of off I just I can't watch this It's like it makes me feel so weird Like old school kung fu movies Oh, yeah, when the voices don't match. Oh, it hits some spot in my brain. It makes me so annoyed of like... It might be an American thing

because that's what we're all about. If it's like off, it's like funny. It's like a kind of humor. It can be, but like if it's just a movie and there's just a delay on the voices, I'm like, oh, I can't like... It makes me so uncomfortable. Yeah.

Well, you guys are in California. Welcome. Thank you. You're on the way. So last time was L.A., you're going to... Riverside. Yeah. That venue is right across the street from, it's called, it's a really like high-end,

respected hotel. It's called the mission. That's where Mitch got married. Oh, really? Yeah, so Michigan got married across the street. I think that's the last wedding I went to. Oh, shit. Yeah.

I regret not staying. I saw it and I left. I wish I stayed and partied. Yeah. But sometimes it's also nice to get back in bed early. It is. Yeah. I'm 38 now, so it's all about bedtime.

Yeah. You know. It helps so much. You feel so much better the next day. Like staying out late. I'm like, I know I'm going to, like, the next day, it's gone. It's got to be ruined. How do you?

I'm 33. Yeah. Dennis? 29. 29. Okay, so you're still young. Dennis stays out late. I don't.

So I enjoy it, dude. One year left. One year. Oh, what, it's too late now. Now, I came up with a, because I'm, I'm going to have a big birthday party this year because I'm turning 39. I don't want to celebrate 40. No?

No. Why not? Because you're turning 40. Yeah? Celebrate your last year being that decade. Oh, that makes sense. Yeah. I was going to say, I was going to say, have a birthday party.

Yeah. I was going to say have a birthday party when it turned 29, but it's too late. I still have one. I had one. How was it? It was fun. We went bowling and got really drunk before. Do you drink you?

And bowling is fun. It's so amazing. It is. I feel like bowling isn't really fun unless you drink. I like bowling, but I like it more when I'm drunk. Yeah. Because they don't do all the wacky shit and trying to... Do air balls?

Do air balls? Even as much air time as possible. Bowling is one of those games where you don't have to be good to enjoy it. No. You know, there is a few things in life that, you know, you don't got to be good at this. Like mini golf. Yeah. Mini golf is fun.

Yeah. Well, now we have, we're just talking about this, Topgolf around here. What's that? They made the dry golf. driving range, how do you say this, more mainstream? It's like, so it's like basically like a bar slash nice driving range so people can play golf now. We talked about doing that a few times. We just never come around to do it.

It's just where you do the drive thing of what's cold. Like the big shoots. Try to hit the ball and get drunk. There's targets with like points. Oh shit. Yeah. And they have, they have, I think they have chips in each golf ball, right? So you can see how far you hit it and

And I think got a lot of security there because there's fights Oh really? Yeah It's like a it's like a bar dude Like they sell a bunch of booze there and so if you can find booze anything Someone's fighting that's true I just have a hot time I've mentioned how you get like fight somebody else for like playing golf like Oh dude Your own booth

Have you seen Happy Gilmore? Oh yeah Oh yeah yeah yeah you could golf and fight for sure Oh yeah dude that'll be sick if there's one place I won't get in a fight it would be golf course

that would be sick this is the most random place to get to get in a fight I feel like it's such a slow and chill sport yeah like why are you fighting yeah I mean it makes sense like in hockey and all that stuff

where it's like it's impact it's like high intensity yawning each other's like faces but in golf you're just like taking turns like yeah

it's so fun to me that people like somehow ended up location there. Yeah, people get they get like really impatient because sometimes there'll be like a group in front of you, they're just playing too slow and then

Oh, heavy. And then they'll make you still, so then you're supposed to wait to hit your ball when they're out in a clear. But sometimes they take too long and then the person hitting a ball always won't care. Oh, that's a big sign. Especially golf is like, it's a big sign of

like disrespect. Oh, shit. You know. Do you golf? Yes. Oh, yeah. I've been golfing since I'm 38, so I was in diapers. I was like a baby. Oh, so crazy, yeah.

Yeah, my, I saw my dad golf, so I just wanted to, so I learned all that. Like, it's we're a little, like, really polite sport. Yeah, that's also my understanding of is kind of like a gentleman's sport. Mm-hmm. But I wish, yeah, if I fight, it's going to be there. Yeah, it's going to be there. Please film it. Well, then it could go viral.

And then I could tie in suicide sounds in there somehow. Yeah. And then... The podcast. The podcast. Drop a merch line. It's a business move. Drop a fucking merch line, dude.

See, there's fights here in Top Golf. Oh, shit. That was the first thing I asked them. I went to the bar there and I asked them, why is there so much security at Top Golf? Like, oh, dude, there's bites all the time, man. I was like, all right, cool. Yeah, that's sick.

Well, good to see you guys, man. How's the tour going? It's been pretty good. It's been good. Played a lot of fun shows. Played to some boring shows as well. Not going to lie. Oh, no.

What's been wrong? Ticket sales sometimes. We just played to two big rooms, like 1,200 caps for 150 people. What? Yeah, it happened. Some of the shows have been really good, and some of them not so good.

It's a great lineup. It's an amazing lineup, dude. Why were people beefing this lineup? Every band sick. I think the issue is that people wanted, like, death metal and stuff, which is, like, I also remember back in the days, like, look at the lineups when I was a team, and they would always have some big,

like, it would be a mix of death metal, and then metal core and death core. And this year, they kind of, like, switched and just did death metal. Mostly middle core. Yeah, we have Brad who are like Death Grind kind of. Yeah. But besides that, it is more.

since you're like modern core. I like all the bands on it, but I think some of the OG fans were really pissed up about it. What? Yeah. Weird. Yeah, it is.

And then there was like the rant. I don't know if you got that. So the page from Summer Slaughter, when like somebody, the person who controlled the page on some rant, like. I think it's on a lamp goat. article like Instagram photo they wrote about like all the backlash when the tour got announced and then he

dropped the comments like basically calling people Pussies fucking when it's Fowseller come on like Fauci pussies yes go what the hell like we basically went on an active anti-wax rant was like dude this 2024 let go that shit like yeah I was also It's a little late for that now. I feel like we're kind of past it. I try not to judge, but when I'm at the store outside,

going out for a walk, because people wearing masks, I try not to judge. People still doing that? Around here, yeah. Oh, okay, shit. Yeah. That's weird. Okay, shit.

I haven't seen any, like, you. I try not to judge. Yeah, people can do what, it doesn't hurt anybody. I mean, I was awful lockdowns and stuff like that. Back then, four years ago, now I'm like, let's get over it. It's done. It's done. I mean, I mean, it sucked.

you guys because you guys had like a record be pretty much brushed under the rug it sucks man like when that happened we were just on the first u.s tour over here like we did really well we had our work visas and oh there it is summer slaughter oh regardless if we booked cannibal and fetus or uh resurrected uh you're still a bunch of pro vaccine mandate brainwashed farm mug, cook sheep, boot lickers. What? Yeah. Go back up and end with,

have a good day and bow to your publicly trade owner. Oh my goodness. Yeah, we saw that. We are already accepted to and we saw them like, oh no. Why did he do that? Okay. I backed the first half.

It's not that I don't back like, I love, I personally love talking shit. I love when people speak minds but not in that comment section. No, I'm also like- Not in that comment section. The thing is you can do that as a private person. That's all fine.

You can- Totally. But when you're doing, you're speaking on behalf of kind of like the entire tour. Yeah, that's- And you're like, oh gosh. And also if you're trying to sell a product, you shouldn't antagonize your potential buyers. Mm-hmm. And that's kind of what happened.

And we're like, oh, no. Yeah. It's unfortunate because I saw the lineup and I didn't get the backlash. I'm like, well, it's a sick lineup. And when you think about it, well, it also proved, I could be wrong. I think it also proved that there may be still a separation between, like, the death metal and the... Especially, like, the old school fans, I think. I don't want to say newer bands because some, they got some of these bands have been around for, I mean, what, what is a new band?

Like, you could have been, what, a year, two, five years? Because Vail of Mears, like, what? Ten years? 15 years at this point? What's like the timeline where the new band term stops? 10 years? No, maybe? A decade?

Five years? I think it depends because I think a lot of people still call Cabala new band over here because they haven't heard of us. But we've been around for like eight years? You guys started until 2015 or 2016? We put out the first single in 2000, like December 2015. Okay. But when?

When did your band actually become cabal? I think people start, like, I joined a little later than some of the other guys. They had, like, a hard time finding a vocalist, and then I got roped into doing it. I didn't want to do it at first. And then, yeah, so you got asked to join. You first said no. Yeah. And then Chris took you out and got drunk.

Yeah, we got shit face and he kept pressing me. And I was like, okay. He was like, okay, I guess I'll do it. Yeah, I woke up the next day. They were like, fuck, why did I actually do, like, I don't have time for this. I wasn't playing, I wanted to be a bass player at that point. It was like what I was kind of like, think, that's my thing. Or you're trying to do the easy way out.

Yeah, dude. No offense, Dennis. Oh, it is the easy way. I love it. Dude, bass is sick. You don't have to be that good and it looks cool. It looks cool. It's just an easy guitar.

Yeah, exactly. Kids guitar. Yeah. Yeah. And it goes brr. I wish it's cool. I play a bass in the new middle band, I play a bass in a death more band. It was so fun.

Yeah. God. And it's like, there's not like that much maintenance to do like compared to a guitar. Oh, not at all. I mean, I love playing guitar, but like playing live, I love playing bass. Yeah. Also, a live you prefer. I prefer the bass just because it's easier and I'm lazy sometimes. Yeah. But I love playing guitar as well. You can do more shit with it.

What's your other band called? I can't pronounce it. So it's called for Breck, which means factory in day. That means factory in Danish. Yeah. It's like a super sick. Thank you. It's like a pop rock band. I play guitar there.

Yes. Fender Jaguars and Telly's so set dude. Thank you. You also, you spill it different. Yeah, it's spelled weird. So instead of an eye on the right side, we do with an A with the Umlaut is called. So it's like a... But that's not even Danish island is it?

Oh, it's German spelling, actually. Yeah. Yeah. Why? I just, it's the sound that, like, letter does, is like the sound. Okay. The I does in Danish. Shout out for Black. Shout out.

Check it out. It's sick. We made a song with them recently back in June. Yeah. Cabal slash for Breck. I know, and then you did a collab, which, I mean, obviously it makes sense because we're in a band together. But if I didn't know Cabal and I just heard that on the, uh, it's, Spotify playlist and I was like oh this is sick like that I love when like you put like

different kind of vocal and like a heavy riff that's like I mean that's when I get horned up dude yeah there's also like some heavy Limpisket vibes but in Danish it's so sick dude it's cool I highly recommend I say it again I'm sorry forbreck for bleck forbreck yeah I got it yeah you're being nice in this I mean I appreciate decent enough okay the art word is like R. Yeah. Not R, so, forbreck.

Bah. Danish is weird. It's like, it's like, it's kind of like on the middle or the back of your tongue, I feel like. It's like. A little French vibe? Yeah, French, yeah, maybe. German vibes maybe? Yeah, a bit.

It's a little weird thing. Yeah. It's a hard-ass language that makes no sense a lot of the time. It makes no sense. No, it's like, we're like, we're. We have like all, like the worst thing about Danish is like we have so many rules for grammar. And then for every rule, there's like 20 exceptions that doesn't have any rhythm or rhyme to them. It's just like you just have to know them by heart and they're just there.

Yeah. So if you speak Danish, like if you learn Danish and follow all the rules, you're not speaking incorrectly. People will be like, what? So for people who come to like country, it's like really hard for them to learn. So a lot of times, I have friends who are expats stuff. I'm just like, don't bother. Like, there's so few others. It's like 5 million others, 5.6.

Because it's a smaller country. Yeah. And language is really hard. And everybody speaks English anyway. So it's like, unless you plan on living here for the rest of like, don't spend your time learning this, like weird language. Why do people know English there? Because it's a small country.

We kind of have to. We learn it at, I think, age 10 in school. Earlier now, I think. Earlier? Yeah. Oh, shit. And then all the TV, all the games you grew up on? Like, weren't dubbed because we're only 5 million people.

So everything was in English. Anyways, I think I learned English by playing, like, Starcraft and Warcraft and stuff like that. Same. I was played Diablo, and I had my mom as an English teacher. I was on the family computer, so I would constantly be asking her, mom, what is this? What's this mean? What's this quest?

Like, so I was from playing games, I was like, I got to learn this language because I want to be able to play this on my own. Wow. Yes. Real quick. So what is this obsession and connection with anyone related? the heavy music and World Award because you guys played it when you were kids Oh yeah definitely

What's that connection? I don't like nerd shit I feel like there's a lot of people who like heavy music It's kind of nerdy Yeah And just video games in general I think Like it's just thinking it's because it's nerdy And metal music is nerdy

Yeah like with the riffs And like the attire of everything Huh I feel like yeah Some A lot of metal kind of have like an aesthetic that's kind of adjacent to World of Warcraft and stuff. Especially, maybe not as much like hardcore and all that stuff,

but if you listen to like black metal and stuff, it's like very theatrical, it's like these grand things like... And World of Warcraft has that too. It's like this big, like, kind of like expansive world with like monsters and all that shit. So I feel like also as a kid I grew up, I loved monsters and dinosaurs and dinosaurs. source and stuff. So it kind of like it bleeds.

And the middle kind of like has some of those aesthetics and like all of these games do too. So it's kind of like all. There's like if you have a Venn diagram, there's definitely some overlaps in the middle from all that stuff. Yeah. I've always one of that. It's world of

Warcraft and it's Magic of the Gathering. Yeah. I keep hearing these like these two. Magic the Gathering again also like if you look at the cards, they look middle as fuck like. Yeah. Or the, like, pictures on them. Mm-hmm. What you ever into, like, gaming?

I like the old-school stuff. I like N-64. We have Golden I literally in a room. Oh, hell of you. I'm not sure. That is... Have you heard of Golden Eye? Oh, yeah.

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bar records Sega Genesis you have like Son of the Hedgehog Oh that was so hard though I tried going back

and playing it I remember like It's a long game I finished it as a kid And you couldn't save I was like How did I do this

And now like when you die You just die You can't save as far as I remember right Yeah yeah Remember like If you sit down

I remember I count of the hours Like If I sat down and played It was This was Sunday the Hedgehog 2.

Very, like, classic game. And I think it took eight hours from the first level to the last to, like, finish the game. Yeah, because you can't save it. Yeah, if you die, well, you gotta try again from the little one, baby.

You die. Yeah, there it is. That's it. Some of those old school games are so hard. I'm like... The old school Mario games as well? No, Mario, yeah. I remember, like, finishing all of them on Game Boy

and all, like, the consoles as a child. I'm like... I had a contra. You remember that game? Contra, no. at least shooting game. Like a side-scrolling shooting game, platformer. Hot as fuck.

Okay. What's this on? Sega Genesis. Sega Genesis? Really? I have the European version where it was robots instead of humans. It's a European version? Yeah, it was called a Robocopter or something like the probe.

I can't remember. Okay. It was basically because it was censored. So yeah, that's the one. Okay. I remember that one of sick. So there's two versions of it? Yeah.

So you were basically just, playing as robots fighting robots instead of humans fighting humans it's just censored so it was censored yeah why why why was it censored i just think uh german video games laws basically back in the 90s were like heavy on against blood and stuff like that yeah really there's also like a lot of cannibal corpse rickers like you they were banned and you had all you could buy alternate covers yeah huh germany was like really strict about that i think maybe it's kind of in the wake of world war they were kind of like still sensitive about stuff. Oh yeah.

If you play Wolfenstein in the German version, there won't be any swastikas or anything. Wow. Yeah, I think that that's still felt a little like... Oh, what is that logo? Is that it? I'm pretty sure that's it. I can remember.

Oh shit and Hitler doesn't have a mustache. They took up Hitler's mustache. That's not real. That's real. Whoa. Yeah. Oh, wow. Okay, so he doesn't have a mustache

and the logo is kind of like an upside down triangle. Yeah. As opposed to the Swatska that we all know. Interesting. Got to say Hitler ruined that mustache. Oh, yeah. Who, like, I feel like Charlie Chaplin

is the only person I knew who was kind of like rocking that before him. I think it was like a thing back then. Mm-hmm. Do you think it, how long is, If you've been going to pass before it comes back? Never. Yeah.

I think some things like can never come back. Same with the swastika or like the sun sign. Like it wasn't like the German thing. It was like a Viking thing and an Indian thing. Yeah. But some people like especially know it was like in the two community try to kind of reclaim it. Yeah. Which I respect it.

And at the same time I'm also like, let it go. It's tough. Yeah. It's tough. We're not getting it back. They took it to fuck. Like he has some things. You just can't.

Yeah. That's time to move on. Maybe it's time for a new band logo, you know what I'm saying? If it's not working, it's not working, you know? Yeah, yeah. Why did you say no to the band the first time? Oh, I didn't want to be a singer anymore. I used to sing in bands, and then I found out bass was so much easier.

I was like, oh, this is sick. I don't have to worry about straining my voice and all that. You just like, plug the bass in and rock out. That's pretty cool. That's what Dennis did. It's perfect. And then, like, at first, the way the guys have explained the band to me,

it sounded like something I didn't want to do for some reason. Like, and then, like, Chris pressured me while we were drunk. I woke up the next day, and he sent me to demos, and I was like, huh, this is pretty sick. Was it, before you heard of demos, was it, like, a different sound? I just think the way they described it to me is, like, Chris loves me sugar, and, I really respect the band.

It's not really something I listen to that much. It is fucking sick. There's like no discussion there. But I think like I thought it would sound different than it did. I think like just the way he described it, I was like, that doesn't really sound like something I necessarily want to do. But then he sent me the demos,

and it sounded different than what I thought it would sound for the way he described it. I was like, oh, maybe there's actually something here that I should do. So I ended up actually, yeah, you're joining. and then kind of dropping the other projects I was doing because I was like, oh, no, this is it. This is it, yeah. You went with your feeling.

Yeah, yeah. I definitely like, I feel like this also the first time I've been in a band where I've like been really like, oh, wow, that's like, like I obviously liked everything else I've done. But it's the first time where I'm like, oh, this feels like something more than just like some band who will play a handful of shows. Yeah, it feels like more professional.

than anything I'd have done. Hmm. Well, especially like where you guys live. Like, it's not like, I mean, I'm assuming you don't exactly get a lot of offers for a heavy... Because, I mean, isn't Cabal like the only deathcore ban on Denmark? Yeah, yeah. Basically, I think there might be a few small ones who do it, like, but it's not like, sometimes people call it the biggest death court band in Denmark. I'm like, that's pretty easy when we're the only one.

Like, that's not really like an issue. I'll take it. but it's not really an achievement with like one or two bands doing it so so yeah there's like modern like core and stuff for a long time didn't really have a lot like now it's really good doing well but for when we started out and for a long like a handful of years before that there wasn't like a lot of bands doing it and the ones who were doing it was like hobby bands hobby bands yeah so there weren't really any like one too like there was anybody like touring internationally during like with this sound so we didn't really have anything to look up to look up to like they were like from Denmark so

I think because of that a lot of time you also thought like oh if you do this thing here it's probably not going to go anywhere than like maybe a handful of shows a year like yeah you can uh this thing cannot be a hobby no it's not trying to make it a living it's working yeah almost yeah it's it's always almost working yeah that's that's a Music industry. Yeah, it is. The music industry is fucked, dude. Yeah.

You know, I'm always kind of shocked how, like, we're, like, we're still here. I'm that's fucked. How about you guys been around for now? 2002? Oh, 22 years. I've been in Suzat Sons for almost 23 years. Dude, more than half your life. More than half your life.

Yeah, it's weird. That's kind of... It's so wild. Yeah, it's a lifer. Yeah. The life, this is for life. I think when, you know, maybe like the sims... similar feeling you got from here in the cabal demos.

There's just something, which you actually made the term, and I'm going to still from you, so I'm sorry. It's like, you could tell a lifer music from a hobby band. Yeah, you could just tell. There's like there's something missing. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's crazy. Yeah, it is like, sometimes you will see a band where like,

oh, this is pretty good, but it's like, it misses, like the last 20% isn't there. So like, oh, this is like, a hobby band like it's the it's the most important percent yeah exactly that's i don't know like my town name like the x factor whatever they call it like yeah yeah x factor special sauce that like the something yeah yeah yeah it's funny yeah you're right it's it's that extra 20 percent but that's actually the the the percent that matters yeah that's the you know percent that'll take you from playing local shows to actually like start to build a career and stuff like that

you guys came from denmark you guys you guys had to a fly here. Yeah. We have to rent an RV, you have to rent a trailer. Do you get work visas? Work visas? It's expensive.

But it's worth it. I love touring the States. It's a different vibe. It's a different culture. All the good fast food. Yeah. And I feel the shows are better here.

People understand the music we're playing. Yeah. I feel like a lot of our music is centered around like the mush pit. Like we want people with like swing and like just get crazy. And back home, we don't really like, some places in Germany have that. But a lot of the time it's just push much, which is fine. Like as long as there's energy, I'm happy.

But it's just cool to come here when we see like, oh, these people, they get it. There's like, it gets scary sometimes. Like, yes, it's supposed to be that way. Yeah, people start swinging their arms and kicks. Oh, oh shit, what the fuck. They're like, hell yeah. This is like, we call it all kind of like, like the scene I come from like my hometown. was the only place with dad was actually a thing in Denmark.

Really? Yeah, it used to, like, there was like a big hardcore scene where I grew up. Really? Yeah, it's a small city called for a Ritcher. It used to have like a hardcore festival. There'd be like 1,500 kids, like Matt Ball played there. What, really?

Yeah, dude, it was like for years. Terra just played there a couple months ago. Sold out show, right? Yeah, yeah. Nasty as well. It's, the scene kind of died out for a while, but while I was growing up, there was like shows every weekend. Like, even if there's like local bands, two or three hundred kids would like pull up and people jumping off the walls doing spin.

Like, oh, wow. Yeah. It was really, really cool. And when that scene kind of died out, like, there wasn't anything like that in Denmark anymore. So every time I see something like that, which is like mostly over here, I'm like, oh, it feels like home. Like we got. Oh, shit. Yeah.

So were you in there? Oh, yeah. Well, yeah. Moshin, of course you were. Doing all this like stupid moves and stuff like that got hurt so many times. It's like, have a good time. While a sudden, get kicked in the face. You're like, oh, there's rules.

Yeah. See, yeah, it's hurts, but it's kind of cool. Yeah, I was like, it's a part of it. When was the last time you marched? Oh, so usually we have like a rule in the band that we don't do it just because if someone gets hurt, you're like, oh, you broke your leg. That's the tour. It's the moneymaker.

Yeah. But I did it. So our guitarist Christian, who isn't here right now, he has a band called Rutheraway. hardcore band they played at like a brewery oh that show yeah insane like with our friends in Leipzig and it was like

this small like long room where it was like what's called like wooden like pillars like they want to go across the roof you can kind of like grab onto and stuff yeah a beam a beam yeah okay

so that was that and like I just like Like, it was getting crazy. Like, it was the worst sounding show I've ever been to. It was like, it's not meant for shows, but it was so fucking chaotic and crazy. And I got kind of drunk. I'm like, I'm fucking swinging from the beams. Oh, my goodness.

And I didn't get caught, probably. I landed on my hand. So I couldn't move my head probably for three months after. I was like, oh, this is why I don't like. That's why you don't play bass. Yeah. And this is why I don't much anymore because I'm, if I got hurt now, I'm plus 30, it takes a while to me to bounce back.

Yeah. Yeah. How did you guys meet? through shows I think yeah yeah so me and

Christian he just talked about used to play in a hardcore band as well and Chris other other guitarist

produced our albums and I think we just went to a lot of shows together yeah and it's like

how you meet up so yeah I think we've known each other for like almost 10 years yeah something like that

so I've been on the sideline for the entire cabal career until I joined so it felt very natural when I joined like two and a half years ago yeah something like that yeah just finished journalism school yeah

i just got my journalism degree and then i joined the band really and then we went on to a lot of tours oh shit never got a real job after college how long were you in uh you in school for four years four years yeah just to do this and yeah just to do that whoa i feel like everybody in i have a degree in communication to digital media and christian has a degree in child's Is that the day? He's a kindergarten teacher. I can't remember what's called in... No.

Yeah, so he is like a bachelor in kids, I guess. Whoa. And our drummer Nikolai has masters in bioengineering. Kapoor's really smart. Not really, because we decided to do all of that just to live in an RV with a bunch of dudes and play breakdowns. Hell yeah.

So I don't know if that makes us smarter or dumber. Make us more fun. Yeah. A little bit of both. Yeah, exactly. Spend a lot of time wisely just to make a dumb decision of like, oh, breakdowns. That's where it's at. Yeah, you kind of have to have something missing upstairs

if you want to go on the airplane and play breakdowns. Yeah, especially if you spend like all those years in school, just would be like, no, fuck it, I'm just going to. Yeah, I mean, you guys are just following your hearts and your music, man. Yeah. It's cool. I also feel like it's nice to know that I have something to fall back on. Like, if this doesn't, like, if you don't want to do it anymore, we're not screwed.

Like, we actually, like, can go get a real job. And I also feel like getting this opportunity, especially coming from Denmark, you have to take it. Yeah. Because a lot of people never get this opportunity. And I hope we can be a band that people can look up to. Because I think the only Danish artists we looked up could look up to was like Valbeat. And the Danish pop singer Mu. really the only thing

like now came out and toured outside the country yeah well there was like a bunch of local bands I really like that did tour like for my hometown but they never like they never like it they never it feels harsh saying like never made it but they never made it in sense where it became like

their livelihood they did well for a while like yeah but not enough for it to kind of like be yeah sustainable so they all kind of like quit and got like grew up like that the whole story like Hmm, did, uh, so would you consider like ball beat like, like, more like, uh, we, we inspired by them or? No, yeah, not at all, um, but not musically at least. Musically, but I think it's like aspiring to see Danish bands like make it big.

Yeah. Because then, yeah, it's just, it's just, it's possible. It's just shows it's possible. Mm-hmm. Like they're paving the way. Mm-hmm. It's kind of like, yeah, you need someone to look up. you don't necessarily need to,

but I think it is like inspiring to be like, oh, this person kind of comes from the same place and background as me, then it should be possible for me to do it as well. And not having a lot of that is also, I feel like it's why a lot of Danish bands, like, we're very safe back home. We're like, oh, no, you should go to school

and get your education and get a job. And then like going against that when you don't have much, like, you don't have a lot of proof of that being possible. feels extra daunting. Like, oh, I don't like, what makes me think I can do it but nobody else is really doing. Yeah, there's like no end game.

It's like, oh, this is like, yeah, it seems like impossible. Yeah, exactly. But I feel like in the States, a lot of like, you have so many good bands who are making a living artist. So it makes sense that you're like, oh, they can do it, then we can do it too. Yeah. I feel like in Denmark just because we're so, like, secluded

from like the rest of the scene, at least it felt like that for, while it was kind of like also kind of like hard to figure out how do we go about doing this because again we can't just at who are we going to ask about how did you like over here like if you meet a band you can talk to them about like how how they used to playing like going from playing local shows to actually like doing some regional touring like what do you have any tips and when you don't have anybody around you is doing that it's like um it's true try to just look at all the bands like figure out what they were doing kind of like analyze it a bit but it's it's different when

yeah it's different when uh oh they're they're from here yeah they actually 100% accomplished it yeah when we when you actually see it you guys ever met those guys at all well beat well i used to work for a guy who used to play bass for them for a while uh at a management company but i haven't met the other guys i haven't i haven't hmm i know No, the new bass player plays in a band with one of my old colleagues. What band is that? Anti-Ritual. Oh.

This kind of crust black hardcore band. That sounds dope. Yeah, it is. It's really fucking good. They don't have any social medias, but they're on Spotify, I think. Maybe they're only on Bandcamp. There's one of those band who's, like, very true. It's like...

Yeah. It's also a very good band. But it's just to fund that, like, so the bass player of Vald Beat, he's just hired by Vald Beat, gets paid a shit ton of money, and then when he's not in tour with them, he just plays crust. So I feel like he's Volby is probably just like his job and then his passion is like

really aggressive like abrasive music Wow That's dope I also know the singer of Balby Made like a new band called As in Hell With some It's like a death metal band

Oh sick Which I can't remember There's some other like OGs From like the Scandinavian scene in it I want to maybe say entombed but I don't know if like I hate being being wrong

No we Or we get fact check anything here It's fine You can say or think whatever Yeah It's from like It's Mikhail Paulson And then some other like

Like accomplished Like Scandinavian musicians Who made that band Hmm So I feel like it's kind of cool Even though like I don't really like World Beat sound

I respect them And it's also cool To see that they like Still do stuff That's kind of like They all grew up like in the middle, like more metal scene. And they're still doing stuff there.

Interesting. Yeah. Yeah, because Denmark's more known to like, I mean, we're just kind of joking earlier, how he was the only deathcore band there. It's more known for like just straight traditional metal, huh? Yeah, exactly. Fucking diamond from there.

And rock, just rock music in general. I don't feel like DC Miss Lizzie. Is that big over here? Or the big in Japan? I think they're big in Japan. DAD. DAD. I don't know if you don't.

D-A-D. Disneyland after darkness, but they couldn't. No, I never heard of them. Oh, that's the one. They were pretty big. Danish rock band, okay. Originally named Disneyland after dark, interesting. Yeah, and they weren't allowed to be called that.

Oh, because change your name to avoid a lawsuit from Walt Disney, yeah. Yeah, probably got a cease and desist. He cannot fuck with Disney, dude. No, they'll get you. Yeah, you're only a, uh, A few miles away. Oh, really? Disney is like right at the freeway here.

That's like a place you're known. Like, if you're walking around there, dude, even people like me, you know, like, don't do anything weird. Oh, really? That's cameras everywhere. Oh, sure. Everywhere. Every corner you think there's a camera except for the toilet. Probably even a camera and toilet.

I don't know. And it's like... That's for Disneyland after dark. Mm-hmm. Yeah, there's, there's top-notch security in a room somewhere. just waiting for someone to fuck up. Oh, really? Yeah.

Disney is kind of like low-key scary. It's like they're buying every company and like, I feel like they own the entire entertainment industry by now. Mm-hmm. Yeah, I wonder, I wonder how the whole streaming service is going to pan out because I know Disney is geared up to do something

because they have their own app and they stream all their own shit there. So they're gearing up or something else. Yeah. Because especially here in the States where I think it's going to kind of end, like, because, you know, You have, like, you have all the apps. You have, like, some networks.

But I think, like, at some point, probably very soon, like, they're going to start buying each other out. And it's only going to be, like, fucking five. Yeah, I feel like that's kind of... Because Disney bought Fox as well, right? Yeah. They did. Yeah.

I don't really like the idea of, it's, like, this kind of, like, almost monopoly. Sure. Like, it's... I feel like that's going to have some ramifications that would like... It's like... I don't like the idea of... one company controlling everything.

It's kind of like... Yeah, it kind of also ruins competition. I mean, yeah. I feel like after Disney bought, like, Marvel and... Not maybe not... Maybe not Marvel, but Star Wars started going downhill except for, like, the Mandalorian and Rogue One. Rogue One was sick.

Shout out, Ms. Mickelson. I feel like they just pushed too many. shit out like too many shitty series they did the obvi-1 series and i was so hyped for it and it sucked sucked yeah i never got around to watch it it don't why do you think it sucks uh i don't feel feel like the story was really coherent i think the camera work was kind of it's kind of shaky it felt like it was filmed like handheld and i don't know if it was it was intentional but if it was maybe it was a bad idea Did you watch the Obi-1 series? Okay, so yeah, I'm not a fan of, I'm just laid out the groundwork.

I'm not a fan of Star Wars. I'm not that, that, it's just like, I try to get into Star Wars, I sat down, I tried to watch it. I mean, I'm a big fan of the old movies. Oh, same. Did you watch them as a child? Yeah. Oh, and you're not, I didn't even like. Somethings just don't connect.

You're both different. I know. I know. All you're like. Didn't game, didn't watch Star Wars. No, no. A different creature over there. No, I just ate cereal and ice cream, that's it.

And listen to corn. Oh, that's a pretty good name, though. That's it. I love corn too. But that was also one of my earliest heavy bands, Stim and Slipnod and stuff like that. My first bass was a five-string just because of Fieldy. Really?

Yeah. Wow. I don't, didn't, like, I've never used all the strings, but it's just one of the five-string because he had one. Yeah, it's funny because you want him there. Yeah, it's like a thing. Yeah. Yeah.

Same. You know. Did you do the finger play as well? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The shit is slapping. I never fucking learned to do it, probably. So did you actually want to, did you actually want to learn the bass?

Or were you just like, I'm going to play a bass because? Or did you actually, okay, I'm going to buy a bass and learn it? So when I was 10, I went to, what was a Frittischem? Like, after school care thing? Yeah. Where they had like a music room. And we were a couple of guys. One picked the drums, other picked the keyboard,

and I tried the guitar, but I couldn't learn it because there's too many strings, so I just picked the bass because it was easiest. Oh wow. And then I learned as a kid. Yeah, and then I learned guitar afterwards. Oh, wow. So you picked up the bass first.

Yeah. Interesting. Yeah, because it seems, yeah, it's easier. It's only four strings. Yeah. That's like how I became a vocalist as well. I was like on boarding school, and there was a music room we wanted to do. I was playing guitar for.

I wasn't great at it. I could play a little bit. And then we wanted to do a band. We wanted to do a metalcore band, like Parkway Drive and all of those bands. Of course you do. And I was like, at first of all, I'm just going to play guitar

and realize playing those parts. Like, oh, no way, I'm fucking learning this. Yeah. So I was like, I guess I'll just fucking yell into this microphone. That seems pretty doable. But not anyone could do that, though. No.

You know, it might as seem easy for you, but is this, is it like, was it natural for you? Oh, I sucked for so many years. At first I was doing inhales only because I was... One YouTube video. Yeah. It sounds so sick.

I'm fucking horned up, dude. I was so bad. I was like, I was one YouTube video. And just like the first one, like vocal tours happened to be some guys doing inhales. I was like, oh, I guess that's what you do. And it sounded horrible. Like, the band was not good. You have any recordings of it?

No, luckily. It's nothing out there. We gotta find something, dude. We don't have anything. I'll find it. We never got around to record. We played like a few shows. Cool.

And then like once the boarding school stop, you kind of like disbanded. Yeah. And then I like went to high, like back to high school and started a new band with some friends there and actually learned how to do it probably. Because like we went being in the rehearsals,

like one of the guys like, sure you should do it that way. like kind of like in a nice way you telling me you that sounds weird why you're doing that he's like um hey uh this sounds like shit yeah yeah he's being really polite about it yeah oh maybe i'll watch another video then see let me watch one more youtube video yeah exactly i don't know why i didn't excels yeah oh my goodness dude yeah isn't uh isn't uh inhale's like terrible for oh yeah for your throat and vocals yeah for your lungs as well why uh i feel like you're apparently so you're creating some sort of like pressure on your lungs by like sucking the air in that way.

I'm not really like too familiar with like the physics of it, but it's, it didn't feel good. I'll say that. Huh. And it didn't sound good either. And so. It's double. Yeah. It's not meant for me.

I've heard. Okay. Actually like, I recently just, I think you can probably debunk this came across. I don't know what I was doing, just scrolling around. came across a comment somewhere that said like Mitch was doing inhales. I don't think so. I don't think so. He was actually known to be loud.

Yeah. Then it's not anything else. Yeah. Like anyone that would, any producer that attracted his voice would be like, it's loud. Yeah, he's got to turn it loud. Yeah, he fucking sang from someplace else. Yeah, that's crazy. Yeah.

From the fucking bottom of his fucking soul. I still remember the first time I think talked about the last time when I heard I think it was unanswered it was the first song I heard with you guys like in my kids' room found it on my space somewhere

I was like what is this? I was like I had no like at that point I didn't know what death call really was so like to me it sounded like cannibal corpse with breakdowns

but crazy or so I was like at first I was like it was too much for me and then I kind of kept coming back I felt scary to listen to but I was also it's also pretty cool Like, like,

Like one of those Have you had those bands We were like Oh, this is like too much But maybe not? I had it with like Cannibal Corps and death And stuff like that

I remember like listening to I think it's wake up The first song for you guys Like this is insane Wow I think I had the same feeling Like I gotta come back to it

Because I grew up And like More like Metallica I make it as Iron Maiden first Straight straight up metal Right Straight up metal Yeah

So it's It was weird coming to like death metal and death core and stuff like that. It had to get eased into it. Interesting. It's like cigarettes. You have to keep smoking them. No, of a sudden you're like, oh, I love this. That is true.

It's a very European metaphor. That's true. I found out a few months ago. I started smoking cigarettes. Oh, what? Now? Now? At the age.

But the good news is I don't, uh, this is something, you know, like this person will do this thing and they get, they get full on. Addicted yeah and another person do the same thing but it's cool Yeah drinking I guess it's similar to me we have a few drinks fine this person can't even can't even touch it Yeah that it'll go on a bender like four days like it's weird yeah I'm tired smoking but yeah I'm not addicted to it I'm so I'm lucky every everyone smells that's crazy to start now Yeah I feel like it's something you do when you're 13 because you want to be cool yeah that was why I did it like me I'm smoking man and then you do it for 10 plus years and then you stop.

Yeah. Yeah. It's where, yeah, it's so bizarre. It was something more crazy about that. It's like, in my late 20s, I kind of dove into research about, like, addiction, breaking old habits. And then I learned that the hardest drug or substance to quit is cigarettes. Yeah. By part, people can stop addiction, sex addiction, alcohol, drugs, heroin, you name it.

But for some reason, like, the one people say is that the hardest is SIGs. I'm like, damn, that's... It's also a really social thing. Because I remember when I started university, we will always be a small group going out smoking together and, like, became friends that way. And it felt more closely, like, knighted than the people who didn't smoke. Huh.

So it always becomes, like, a ritual. Oh, you want to have a smoke? Oh, yeah, sure. And then, like, five people just standing around talking shit. When was your first cigarette? I want to see when it was 15. 15? Yeah.

It's not terrible. No. I think I was 10 or somewhere like that. 10? Yeah, so... What were you doing as a kid, man? He came from a shitty place of Denmark. Yeah, really?

Probably like the scummy part of Denmark. Wow. It wasn't even that, like, terrible. It's just like me and my friend were at his parents' place and they weren't home yet. It was like the after school. And we found some cigarettes and we were like, you want to try smoking? Yeah, let's try. It walked out, and I remember, like, it felt awful.

It tasted horrible. It was, like, a cigarette eat looking at each other. Like, do you like this? And then we kind of stopped. And then, like, some years later, I found it be cool again. I don't know why. It's dumb. I think, like, it just looked interesting.

And you see adults doing it. Like, oh, that's kind of, like, cool and grown up. Okay. I want to be a grown up. I'm, maybe I'm 10 years old. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't, like, I did it, like, that one time then.

didn't like it at all. And then maybe some other, like, cool kids were doing it when I was, like, first and he was like, I want to be cool, too. Yeah. Maybe, like, found, like, watched a movie with some cool dude smoking in it. I'm like, I can do that.

I can do that. I like ball beat. I'm kidding. I'm just kidding. Sorry, ball beat. Yeah, no hate on ball beat. I just... Oh, yeah.

Exactly. James Dean right there. That looks cool. Is that Andreas? That was me. He's 13 years old. Oh my goodness. In the school yard.

Oh, my goodness, dude. It does look cool. Some people do smoke in my way. Okay, I get it. Is he fucking Arnold Schwarzenegger right there? That is very cool. I do like cigars. Cigars are cool.

I've never, I tried to get into it, but also smoking, like, shitty cigars from, like, the bodega. So I never got, I probably didn't have a good cigar, Yeah, you got to be careful because they're all so different and you get like a bitter one or a What's the what is it the the darker ones are more intense and I did the same thing I got like I felt like okay because you go into things with ego sometimes Yeah, you know oh I'm a guy on 35. I'll get the darkest biggest fucking and I'll inhale it everything. Yeah, I'll fucking smoke I'll fucking smoke this shit down I just like shit

Yeah, it's like, shit. Then, okay, you ease up and I learned, okay, this is. You're also not supposed to, like, inhale the smoke when you smoke cigars, apparently. Yeah. Which I didn't know the first time I tried it. I was drunk. And I ended up, like, puking everywhere. Yeah, yeah, if you smoke a cigar too quickly, yeah, you get that, like, puking feeling.

Yeah, you just, like, get negative poisoning, I guess. Yeah, yeah. I'd lay down for, like, hours, just lay down, like, just let it pass. He's staring into the air, like, oh, yeah. Why did I do this? Mm-hmm. Yeah, it's like, uh, it's like, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, smoking weed. Sometimes I'll smoke too much and I just look up. I'm like just let it just let

let it happen. Yeah, you just got to like let it flow out like try not to fight it. I like that feeling like getting full up full blown anxiety just have to lay down for yourself. I love to that point. Dude same. Yeah. I like yeah I like yeah I like I like I like I like hanging out with with the devil you know I like I like you know it gives you it feels like you it's feel like you're alive. Exactly I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel like I feel alive. I like feeling like your heart's beating, your, like your breath,

that you feel alive. Yeah. And you get a different, hopefully you get like a different perspective on something. You know, it's cool. I don't really like it that much anymore. I used to smoke a lot,

but like, I felt like one of the last time I got really stoned. Like, I, some reason, it's like, it used to be like help with my anxiety. And now it's like,

it's turned around. So now it just triggers my anxiety. It makes, like, remember about being like, like, a Nikolai from Life Sick. We smoked. his place and I hadn't smoked for a while and I don't know why I just kept smoking like I used to

so I got so stoned I was like lying on this couch I'm like help can you get some water and well all of a sudden like my inner fogs was just like oh everything you do sucks like just never going to be it like turn into this where there's like this third voice like yes yourself and then like this little demon that's like about sucks it's never going to work You cringe. It's true. You get that when you... Of course.

Oh, I hate that. Yeah, of course. Yeah, I didn't get a hold of it until I was like 35. I learned, because you actually put it in a very, a more common sense way. You have like the third voice come in. Yeah. But at the third voice, you have like your conscious or subconscious. You have, you have the demon come up.

It's all kind of, and you learn through those experiences, you learn how to navigate it and separate them and know which voice is which voice. It took, yeah, it took me years to figure out out. I couldn't separate them. I just don't like that voice being there. I like it, not speak, because. I like it. Oh, really? I like it in a sick way.

Yeah? Yeah, it's like, okay, cool. A bit of a masochist? Yeah, I just like, maybe like, isn't the right word. It's just necessary. I think, I guess a better way to explain this. When you're, I think every human has their way of being them. Yeah, this is okay, you have like the best way of being you.

And that's just the way it is. Sometimes, you know, sometimes for you to be the best, you gotta go to the gym for an hour and, and a half and eat salads all day. Maybe this person goes to gym for 30 minutes and meditates and reads and maybe this person has to smoke weed and every person has their thing to make them them. Yeah, yeah. And for me, what makes me the best me is those uncomfortable sit down smoking. Yeah, okay.

Yeah, I guess, okay, so I don't like it. It's just necessary to do the things that I love to do. It forces you to get a different perspective sometimes. 100%. But I just feel like that's all the drugs that are better that, like, shrooms for me. It's been really good at like, also because that can get scary. You can get like, I feel like it forces you to, if you have some shit going on, if you do like, like, through, sometimes it will make you face that.

Like you can't, like, that's, I've had that. It's like, it's like right. It's like right here. It's like, oh, like, it doesn't feel the same way, like that little voice and that little knacking demon. But it just puts everything like right here. It's like, oh, you have had the word felt like, oh, you're not, you can't stop. thinking about this until you work through this. So now you just gotta face it.

It's not like, slide down, think through it. Process it. Yeah, and that's been really good. Like, I feel like I've gotten, like, it helped me move on with some shit. I'm like, it felt uncomfortable in the moment. But then after you were like, oh, okay, I'm actually like, I didn't just push it down.

I faced it. Dang, you didn't push it down. You faced it. Yeah. What was, if you don't mind my asking, what was one of the things? I had, like, for a while, like, especially like with music, I remember being like,

it's because like, so I have this, I spend time getting education, I used to like work in marketing and sometimes I look at my peers to people I grew up with and stuff and they're like doing really well and like own apartment house and stuff. All the kind of stuff I neglected might not be the right word, but like I chose something different,

but sometimes it's hard looking at your friends who are the same age and you and like really like successful in a traditional sense to be like, oh, I'm kind of like still a bit of a bum because I'm doing it. It's like, I love what I'm doing. But it's been something I'm battling with because if you brought up being like,

oh, you have to get an education, you have to do all these things. And then going a different route, it feels like you have to kind of like reprogram your brain. So it will always be a little bit of that voice that tells you like, oh, what you're doing isn't what you've been told to do.

So it can get kind of scary and feel like super, because it is an uncertain way of living, what we're all doing. So I remember, like, and then I was, like, on the field somewhere in Copenhagen there, doing rooms with my friends. And it, like, kind of, like, forced me to face, like, this whole, like, if you want to do this,

you've got to, like, be comfortable with the uncertainty. You can't keep thinking about, like, what you don't have, because you can't have it, like, kind of also accepting, like, you can't have everything. You can't get the life they're having, if you want to do this, at least not at first. Like, it's going to take longer to get to that point. And that's, yeah, something is like,

especially when at that point I was in my late 20s. So, yeah, it's kind of like, what's it called? You're kind of like at a, what's it called? Like, there's a fork in the road. You have to pick a direction at that point. I feel like either you do this thing fully or you quit and just do what everybody else is doing. And it made me realize that, like, no, I'm going to do this thing.

Also, because, like, I had this, like, thought of, like, while I was tripping, like, when I'm dying, which is going to, like, go through my head? Is it going to, like, be, oh, I'm really happy. I got a good loan and, like, I live in a nice apartment. Always, like, oh, like, I want, like, what flashes before my eyes to be, like, all the fucking sick memories I made with all my friends, all the cool experience, all the cool people I met, like, all the parts of the world. gotten to see.

But it was a weird thing, like, just lying there on a field having to, like, deal with all of that. Where were you? On the field, we have something called Amalfel, which is like this big nature area in the big Copenhagen. Okay. And me and my good friends just went out there, did a bunch of rooms just lied down. Wow.

Yeah. And just faced God. Face God and a devil. Yeah, just faced all of it. So it also removed my fear of dying. It was crazy. Really? Yeah.

I had like this weird like after I worked through that whole like oh like you have to figure out your life like or choose a path I was like I had this wave of like oh if I died out it's fine it's good like it was strange strange we also we did a lot we did what we call a heroic dose okay I got to write this one down okay heroic dose yeah is when you do what plus five gram right that plus six grams plus six six plus six plus grams yeah okay six okay it will make you like face everything okay and like I feel like if I feel like if you aren't like yeah there we go ultra high dose that's what we call that yeah that's of the dried mushrooms so they are plus five grams complete disconnect from conscious reality wow okay high dose. High dose is 3.5 grams.

Heavy perceptional distortion? Yeah, so you got you get visuals. Okay. Ego. Disillusion. Yeah, so you're kind of like...

Good eyes and reading. Thank you. Cool. Yeah, we call ego death as well. Okay. So it's... Have you all tried rooms? Not full on, no. I've only done ayahuasca.

Oh, that's all. And DMT. Oh, okay. But I feel like I'm missing something. I've been talking about mushrooms for the past year and a half. I highly recommend trying them but I will also say like

Don't. Should I do the Heritos? Start or like two grass. Maybe like try it out. I feel like that is such a thing as responsible drug use which I like it's not like also like being aware of setting knowing which strain you're getting

like maybe doing it with something someone who's done it before so like trying to do it in a way that's like safe? Was this your first time doing it? Oh no. That's not my friend. Oh, no, no. I've done it like a handful of times before that.

Oh, okay. So what if I just went straight into the war? I might die. No, you're not going to die, but you might come out like change and not the good way. Oh, so you might get a really bad trip. You might get a psychosis. That's like... Okay, so this, so my concern of that stuff is that.

Yeah. where I don't, I want to get the experience, but I don't want to lose myself. So it is like a, like a build-up. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You should definitely not jump into the deep end, like unsupervised to the first, like. So maybe that's what people do.

I feel like when people have really bad, like, experience with mushrooms, it's like a lot of times people, be super drunk when they do it. Like, at some festival, some, like, and you make bad choices when you're drunk. It's true. Like, alcohol is the worst gateway drug.

Yeah. Like, you join, you join, Cabal went. Oh, dude, yeah. You're going to be now. Ruin my life. I'm just kidding. But it's like, so I feel like a lot of people, the story is like they get drunk.

They do it at some festival with some strangers they've never met. They haven't tried it before and they have like horrible experience. Because like it's, it is trippy. It's wild. Even like a lower doses, it is kind of like something you should be prepared for. You should do it in a right setting with people you trust. and like and not be under the influence of anything else okay i feel like this is the same story with a lot of people who like smoke so will tell you like oh no i can't like weed makes me like

puke or like oh yeah why like that's what yeah like oh i hate weed i don't know like being on it like yeah you drank like 10 beers and then smoke half a joint of course you got all pale and puke and you haven't smoked before it's funny because i think i think most of us want to try certain things It could be something simple of smoking weed, but you don't want to do it because maybe you're able to scare, but then when you get a little bit of alcohol in you. Oh, it's a good idea. Yeah, I get the courage to do it. But it's the worst time to do it. That's exactly when you shouldn't do it.

But for some reason, alcohol just makes you stupid. So you're like, I can do this. It does. It's funny. I have like this fucking, oh, my, I struggle with, like, because sometimes on alcohol, I do cool shit. Yeah? You know, it's funny. Like, I was, this is a place I go to in Corona.

Just, I drink, I drink, like, my favorite beer there. I ate pizza with my friend. That's actually how I got Fender. Oh, yeah. Where he, uh, he knew someone there. And then I told him to not do it. And we're just drinking, you know, it's what we always do. And then he fucking did it anyway.

And it changed my life. It's cool. And that was, with that, what, that would have happened, would that have happened if we weren't drinking? Not necessarily. I wonder, I've always wondered that. It's like shit.

I feel like Elginle can be good in some like some say, it can make you a bit more confident like and make you luck. I'm actually just going to talk to this girl now like stuff like that. Yeah.

But it can also make you make sense, I feel like I've made worse decisions and alcohol than anything else. Yes. I mean, it's a two-edged sword. You have to balance it. feel like it's a it's a tough I think that might be the hardest substance to balance because not many people I'm I'm lucky you know I got have a beer or two and it's fine but

some people just can't oh they like there's no stop button I feel like for me I found out like where like the cutoff limit is like if I have like more than five I'll just keep drinking but if I don't don't go to that point I have to just like stuff and I just like stuff and I have one just with a meal and just enjoy that. But for some people, that, like, cutoff point is like the one beer. Yeah. I'm one of those persons. So I'll be telling Andreas if you're like, oh, you want white clothes on now.

I'm not drinking today. Because I know if I have one, I'll have two, three, four, five. It sounds like an alcoholic when I say it loud. But I just know my cutoff point is either I'm drinking or I'm not. Yeah. Well, and also we're also different people, man. Like our brains are why are different. So like what is hard to talk to someone that doesn't have the minds we have and have lived the life we have.

Because for we, we tend to be okay with anything that's access and we can handle more. So for someone else, they might call you like a alcoholic. I know this is not going to make any sense. But someone might call you alcohol, but they're. But they're coming from a different perspective where us is like, like we're kind of, and this is like the dilemma, I think, where we are successful by being kind of crazy.

Yeah, and then we're trying to balance that crazy because we have more of a bandwidth to handle said crazy. Damn, I think I just did it. We have a different bandwidth and things that we can handle. And that combined with our minds, in our creative way. You have to be a little insane to do this stuff we're doing. Totally.

Yeah, you don't decide to do this if you're like all the way there. That's something, yeah, something has to be this messing upstairs. But yeah, but also, yeah, it's like a, it's like this, like it's still you, but yeah, you have these two different sides of your brain.

Like, you had this one part where like, you kind of have to have something missing to do to life, but also there's other part, where you have this whole perspective on life and traveling and makes you, I mean, smart. Yeah, it's like, you're smart in a different way, I'd say. Like, a lot of touring musicians I meet might necessarily not be book smart, but a lot of them are seeing a lot of the world.

They have experienced different cultures. They have, like, a grand perspective of things, I feel like. Totally. It's kind of like the, which I also really like when talking to people because when you, like, most of us have, like, tour the lives of the world, you just, like, it gives you another perspective. you like understand things from a lot like

yes in other ways which is all like what's so cool every time we're going to and talk to all the people what their experience and traveling the world has been like yeah and you're right also you might be forced to be humble when you go to a different country you don't know like the language

so you don't want to come in like with the ego so then you're forced to be like open-minded yeah 100 to be cool yeah it's also the thing is like if you like when we come here we just have to respect how things are here because we're going to be here for like just through like almost five weeks it's like we're almost living here so like just to have to like respect the different cultures you go to like yeah which i think it's like a very healthy thing to be subjected sounds hard but you know

i mean like yeah to experience um that's like if you're just back home doing like not that's anything wrong with it and if you never really travel you it's hard to like understand like where other people are coming from i'd say because you just in your own little lane. It's true. Yeah, you can read and like watch everything on the internet, but you'll never really get it before you've been there. It's true.

Yeah, so like have your feet on the ground and like meet the people in the area. That's also a thing I really like about touring is like you can even if you just travel but like and you just stay at hotels, you might experience some of the culture of the places you go to. But touring you're like constantly talking to local people who are out there like you're meeting people from every like levels of society who will be. at the shows. So I feel like you get a way more like real experience

of the place you're at. Especially like people will talk a lot of shit back home about Americans because they get the, you know, what the movie is to see like what's on the news. But like meeting the people actually here like gives them new and different perspective to people. Yeah. Yeah.

Like you're not as dumb as we think. I'm kidding. But that is how like a lot of you. And the Europeans and Danish people. This stereotype about all these dumb Americans. What was your... Did you have a predetermined mindset and when you first came here of people and things?

I mean, I try not to, but then we had our driver, Tyler Chip from Born and New on the last tour we did. And he thought Little was a kosher store. And it's just a German supermarket. So, I mean, he's just like enforced the stereotype already had on Americans. Yeah, wow. I mean, it's not because American people are dumb. It's just a really big country.

I mean, so of course you wouldn't know like everything about Europe. Yeah, it makes sense. Like if you have to learn everything about this big country. Because America is already a huge-ass country, like bigger than Europe as a continent. So of course you wouldn't know everything about Europe. It's true. It's true. I will also say, like, one thing I thought, like, the first time I came here, I was like, I saw weightless fat people than I thought it would.

Oh, so, so I, wow. I remember the first time on this day. I don't know, like, it's true. I get it, dude. Yeah, but it's not as much, like, I don't see it as much as I thought it would because that's one of the stereotypes type that, like, oh. America is fat and dumb. Yeah. It is.

Let's go. Let's go. But then you're like actually like, I feel like both me and Danny are also like smart enough to know that the stereotype isn't like the truth. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You got to see it in person. Yeah.

Being from where you're you're from. Like what's like been like the biggest thing you learned being in cabal and traveling and having perspective and doing music. Dude, that's a tough question. I feel like we're being examined right now. Yeah. Put on the spot. Yes.

I feel like one of the biggest things to me is like there's cool people everywhere. Yeah. And there's a lot of people that you're way more like, like, like, like, I like than you might thought even like despite of like cultural like differences and stuff like that. I feel like when in the scene, I keep meeting cool people with really good values like all over the world. of them like, oh, it's crazy that somebody whose life is so different for me share so many of the opinions I have

even though like on the other side of the world. Sure. That's a really cool thing. I think some of it is like from the music how much like that actually like shapes us. Like I know there's like big different. It can still be different of your like views even though we play middle,

but I just feel like that connection that somehow is because of this weird abstract thing we're all doing. I think, yeah, metal is really like an international genre. Like, it crosses borders. And I also learned that Denmark is so small and significant. You're like, oh, damn, the world is big. Nobody knows where it is.

No. They're like, oh, yeah, IKEA, Sweden, yes. You speak Dutch, right? They call it the world is big, but our circles are small. Yeah, that's also a thing I've known. Like, all of a sudden, like, everybody knows each other in this little world. Yeah, yeah. It's kind of like...

Funny, like, every time a tour comes by, like, we know somebody who's, like, in one of the bands or, like, working the tour as a sound guy emerged, like... Small circles. Yeah, exactly.

Big fucking planet, big rock spinning in space, but, yeah, are circles. Yeah, yeah. Each, each... You gotta think of how many scenes there are, how many bands,

how many different genres, how many walks of life are so many different small circles. Yeah. You know? I feel like the, like, the music world is also way smaller than I thought when I started

I was like, oh damn, it's kind of like a bunch of the same people doing that. Yeah, I want to ask you guys, it seems you, correct me if I'm on Dines, but I know, I know you, Andreas, you found the gym very young. Yeah. Why and how? I've actually found it kind of late. I think I was 19 just out of high school. Okay. And I didn't have a job and nothing to do.

so my cousin actually started taking me to the gym because he knew I had nothing to do like you have to go to the gym with me and then it just stuck and then me andreas started hanging out went to the gym sometimes I lived in the other part of Denmark for a while while I studied and he worked there

like what every other week sometimes yeah yeah and then we would hang out smoke and go to the gym and then yeah smoke cigarettes oh no no no no weed oh you guys are psychos you'll smoke and then and then... Oh, sorry, actually, it's the other way around.

Fuck, you guys... I used to like doing that for a while, like, getting high and didn't like... I wouldn't like to go to the gym because there's too many people. Then, like, do push-ups and do stuff. Like, there's something with, like, the mind-muscle connection when you're high

that, like, where you can feel your muscles better. It's kind of strange. Interesting. Like, next time, before you smoke, like, try to do some push-ups before and then smoke and doing it again and see, like... It feels different.

Okay. Feels more focused. Yeah, narrowed. It's one time I tried out. I smoked weed and I started to do jumping jacks. And I thought my heart was going to fucking blow up. I freaked out. I'm like, okay, I'm going to sit down for a little bit.

Cardio isn't fun when you're... No. Like, lifting, strength training? Lifting, okay, I'll do... That's cool. But like, when I smoked a lot of me and one of my friends, we had this idea, like, because we would like sometimes get high

and go do calisthenics somewhere. Like, do pull-ups and stuff, where people and then, like, what happens if, like, smoke a jogging and go for, We ran like half a mile I was like fuck this Just go back to your place Get some ice cream and watch the other direction

Yeah like this is That's also why I started weightlifting Instead of cardio Because I smoked cigarettes back then Yeah But you could still like smoke a cigarette before training Then lift some weights And have a cigarette afterwards

Just as a treat That's cool Fuck dude Yeah Cabball's fucking crazy Sick Cigris and weight Yeah we are kind of insane

We need out plenty of fitness every morning on this tour i think today is the only day we haven't worked out yeah we just have had a shower this morning sorry yeah no it's all good it's all good we also drank a little too much yesterday yeah so we're also drank more than i usually i'm pretty strict we're not doing anything but we have so many homies on this tour like all our friends on the tour so i get like oh i have a drink like yeah it's tough man yeah like i don't get to see all these people that much and we're good like so and the vibes are really good. So like,

ah, fuck, like, I'll have a, I'll have a white claw and that's turned into fucking 10 real quick. Yeah, exactly.

Real fucking quick. Yeah. But usually I'm like, very young, like maybe a beer after show that's kind of like it. Nice. Yeah. Also because,

like, just with the voice, like, if I get, if I drink too much, I'll get sick and then, like,

fucking having to perform when you're sick and have to yell, it's the worst. It sucks so bad. And it sounds horrible and you feel bad. and take a long time to recover

because you're pushing your body to do it. Yeah. I try not to get sick. That's like my main goal until I try to eat somewhat well. It's hard over here because it's tough, dude. You have all the good junk food and we try it all out.

The moment, you might be disciplined at home when you're eating good, which I'm sure we all do the same thing. It works when you're at home. Yeah. And you're going to gym. Yeah, I got my habits.

I'm fucking killing it. But the moment, you fucking leave that's when the discipline am I really going to keep doing this it's tough dude every tour is tough yeah I feel like that is why we're trying to like

motivate each other to do work out every morning wow because we know we're gonna eat shit yeah and also I want to go to Denny's or you can eat pancakes I want to go to Taco Bowl

I want to try everything I want to go to Chipotle and have a big bowl every time yeah so we just see it as like one big bulking session yeah like put on a lot of weight like i think i put on like two kilos on this tour almost like four

pounds yeah yeah i don't know i think i think i think maybe the same yeah yeah i just got a little fatter it's just kind of like moved a little bit yeah yeah it's traveled from here oh yeah it goes from biceps down yeah yeah yeah your stomach stays there oh fuck yeah but it's yeah i don't i feel like that's also another thing when we're traveling yeah i want to try some of the local foods like yeah And over here a lot of it is just burkas and stuff. I'm like, I'm not going to... We had some good Mexican yesterday as well.

Oh, that was really good. Oh, I got a deal. We're at. Just behind the venue where we played yesterday. Regent. So it's some place in Skid Row. Great area. So good.

Yeah. Not at night, though. Oh. So Talas guitarist got jumped last night with a guy, like, chasing down three blocks with a knife. It was insane. just like came back to the green room like visibly shaken it was fucked up we saw

a guy a homeless guy with a great blanket over himself just masturbating outside of Brandon's sacrifice his bandwagon just lying on the ground just laying the ground like blanket over his entire body you could just see like that thing going that's insane

there's so much stuff going on there like yeah region is actually not the sickest area been there twice actually I think I think I ate at the same Mexican populace during... Right down

like the corner kind of like Yeah it's kind of like behind the venue Yeah Yeah yeah

I think we I think we at the same area It's good Really good Yeah I wouldn't Wouldn't walk around that area

By myself No that's also What everybody told It was like Don't Yeah Or out of there alone Like

It's sketchy Oh it's insane And they And they And they walked out alone Yeah I think it was called Derek

Yeah Yeah Because Um The parking is kind of shit in that area. They were parked like two blocks down and then he had just had to get something from their van. And then some guy trying to rob him with a knife

and he had to fucking run all the way back. Like just screaming for help and he told me like, nobody bats an eye in L.A. They were just like, oh, someone was walking the dog and this guy being chased with a knife, screaming help, they're like, not my problem. It's insane. Oh, it does right.

It's the left on the camera. there's the spot oh yeah yeah the red uh yeah yeah shout out to that but i can't remember what it was called but it was good it was good we went we went to the same area there it is oh hell yeah they had a really good protein shake oh yeah the protein shake was so good oh yeah yeah how do you pronounce that yeah how do you say that oh hell yeah shout out if you can't pronounce both words or actually it's gonna be good yeah it's like it might it's one of those places where we had to order like we had to it was hard because they were

better at Spanish and we were better at English like then you know the food's going to be good yeah yeah it's like when the good show warmer places back in Copenhagen if you have to like tell you order three times before he gets it you know it's gonna be fire it's gonna be the best show warmer yeah yeah I don't like I don't like downtown L.A. at all there's

I think that last probably two three times I was kind of sketched out was uh sometimes you're just because when when you're leaving the show Yeah Like, oh, it's late Because you get there early Okay, it's decent

So I don't mind Walk, you know But every time I leave the venue To go up To go to my car I'm like, oh shit I'm alone And it happened like

Two, two times We're like See a homeless person I have to cross them And then it's just It's like this weird moment Like okay What's gonna happen

It's weird So it's kind of unpredictable You're like Uh Like They're gonna do something crazy now Or just gonna chill Yeah, and you can't bring anything because you're going in the venue when you get there,

so you can't carry any weapons on me. So you get in that venue. But it's fine when you're going, but you're leaving, you have nothing. You have fucking nothing. Had your legs. Just fucking run. Well, I do that, no, man. I have two guns.

Oh, yeah, okay. Okay, I can't get him. America, maybe. We have none of that. It's like, this is crazy to me. Yeah. Guns are wild. They're fun to shoot, but I'm also a little scared of them.

Yeah, obviously. I love when you're asking people if they own a gun and they're like, just be silent for five seconds. Like, just say yes. Don't be embarrassed. We all know you got one. No, I mean, oh, I think the humor is different. The guns are...

Oh, yeah. American joke, I'm sorry. It's just because every American we talk to on this tour has guns. Wow. I was like, oh, of course you have guns. Yeah, I was just... Oh no, no, I meant like, I got it. It's like, what was she out?

There you go. Ah, there you go. You don't know of the gun? Huh? I don't own one, but literally it's on my, like, to-do list ASAP. Yes. I'm not sketched out about what's going on, but it's just, I would just like to have one. Yeah.

You know, I have, I went to gun range once. It was sick. Yeah, dude. Literally, like, the first time, because I'm terrified, you're terrified of it. I shot it, literally the first thought. that popped in my brain. I was like, everyone needs to know how to use this. This is so much power that you can't have sketchy people out of guns.

You got to get, you got to know how to use this thing. Yeah, yeah. It's a lot of... It's also, like, it is fun to shoot. We did it on a tour in Czech Republic, and I was shooting AKs. I was fucking wild. That's fun, dude.

That's fucking. I don't know, like, my personal stance is, like, I don't think everybody should have guns, but at the same time, I kind of get it. It's kind of cool. Guns are cool. Yeah.

They are. I couldn't own a gun. I wouldn't be responsible with it. I would shoot myself in the foot. Oh, my goodness. Did you guys ever watch The Simpsons? Yeah, of course. Huge out here.

Dude, one of my favorite episodes, like when Homer gets a gun, I start shooting, like, shooting his spear can open. Oh, wow. Shooting at the TV to change the channel. That's sick. I would drive and just shoot my foot or something. Gun tricks in the room. Oh, okay.

cleaning the barrel. Oh my goodness. Well, this, not to put you guys on a spot, but we're out of an hour half right now. Is there anything about about Cabal that you want people to know about? Yeah, we are currently finishing up the next record. Cool. So I think we're going to like in the fall start dropping some singles. I think the first single is going to be September.

It's going to be a heavy one. Yeah. People always say that. It's going to be... Most every song we've ever made. No, it's going to be good. I'm really looking forward to it in the album. It's the heaviest we've ever made.

Sick. We just released a rework EP with four songs from... Yeah, that's cool. Some electronic music? Some gaming electronic music. Dennis did one of the reworks under his moniker Yahoo. Did the exit wound remix

kind of inspired by Command and Conquer Model Combat kind of soundtracks Yeah ties back into the whole like gaming thing Yeah It actually kind of does

Yeah It's kind of like It sounds like A lot of the songs Sounds like Stuff that would be soundtracks For games Yeah

Yeah sick Yeah So we just released that A new album Is on the way Hopefully at the start of the next year Yeah

And then If anybody is watching this In Scandinavia We're doing a Scandinavian avian run with aviana and athena and one morning left when we get back from here it's a tipper yeah yeah do you have dates up yet yes yes we do it's somewhere yeah it's somewhere on our instagram or website or it's up there so maybe i have it right there and yeah oh cool yeah so we are going going into that one once we come home so yeah oslo i can't remember the days oslo's stockholm couldn't

Yerdeborg, Turku. It's also going to be your first time in Finland. Yeah, I'm excited for that. So close, but we've never really been there for some reason. Crazy. So, do we play Finland? Yes. How was it?

It's great. I think we did the Helsinki Festival a couple of times. Beautiful out there. Finland is beautiful. Yeah. So is there too cold? I mean, September, so probably not. No.

Hopefully not. I hate the cold. Hey, AJ, go back to the Spotify real quick. there's a song I want to talk about real quick to like the front of it like the like the well

yeah there you go cool so you you had a record that got swept under the rug for the obvious reasons but but

but do you think that that had to happen for you guys like jay go back up again but but do you think that that had to happen for you guys to write a song

like violent ends maybe at least like so the way I see that sounds heavy yeah so my thoughts on this are like if I'm too happy

it's gonna be hard for me to write stuff like if it makes sense like it's hard writing genuinely aggressive heavy music if everything is just like super and there's like nothing you have to like work through like the music for us it's like kind of a release

of like tension and anger Yeah. And if there's none of that to release, then kind of like what you get isn't really, it's not going to feel real. And I think having like that second record, like at all of those plans swept out, like having all that just taken away from us,

made it so that we had something to be really angry and upset about, like, if that makes sense of like, I think that kind of fueled the next record to be like, oh, we're even more pissed now. Great. because, yeah, it didn't feel good. It sucked. Like, we had a work visa,

and those ran out. We had, like... Oh, it's terrible. That sucks. Yeah, so much money in a clock. Got pushed. Yeah. Like six months?

We had some six summer festivals lined up. We had our dream tour, which is not the biggest tour we've ever done, but it was like with Humanity's Last Breath and Black Tong and us. And those two bands were, like, one of the reasons why Kabbal sounds the way it does, especially at first.

Oh, wow. So we're like, oh, fuck, like, those are like the direct inspirations for our sound, and now we finally get to tour with him. It got pushed four times and then got canceled. And, like, there was so much stuff, like, yeah, all the Danish shows got, like, we had an insane year lined up. Everything just got... Man, you work your ass off being in such, coming from such a small country,

you work your ass off just to even get out of there. Like, you guys did it and then just to even more, more of a struggle. Yeah. So it is. But that's what separates you. from everybody else though it's like a weird I'm gonna keep doing it anyways

like it's true yeah it's like well I'll keep doing it yeah just keep grinding yeah I think we'll keep doing it until it's not fun anymore

yeah I mean it's not fun all the time but you know what I mean like until like but no job is fun every time nah and this job is way more fun

most of the time yeah it's true I also feel like when it's hard it's harder than yeah yeah

yeah you got the highest the highest the lowest of the lowest and the pressure. Mental, spiritual, emotional pressure is definitely way more than if you're home. Yeah, I think exactly. Especially like when you reach like the level where, especially like where you guys are at, I'd say like, all of a sudden you have like lifelong fans who are like screwed and nice and almost everything you do. Sure, it's weird.

Yeah. Yeah. And then you don't want to fuck it up and then you got to make that. right business decisions. Because that point is it's a business and you gotta make sure everything's right. Yeah. That's pressure.

It's a lot of pressure. Yeah. But at the same time, it also can just be a business because then the soul kind of dies. So it's kind of like finding that balance. But if the business side isn't doing well, it doesn't matter how, like, you know.

No, no. I made that mistake. Yeah. Business fucking fell apart. Yeah. And you guys are back. Oh, yeah. It's fine.

It's fine now. Yeah. It's that pressure though The fucking pressure Man, it's crazy Do you think that's why your new record Is like, I feel like it's one of the Increase you guys have done

Like almost since unanswered Yeah, almost there Each record has been a step back You know We only had to lose Everything to do it But again It goes it

Yeah, but it goes back to what The way guys were saying We're just gonna do it Anyways So it's just I also want to correct myself I know the first record isn't called an answer, the cleansing, sorry. Oh, sure.

Yeah. No, we're going to clip that, so you're wrong. Yeah, that's fine. It's just like, moron. Well, Sika, I'll be seeing you guys tonight. Yeah. So I'll be there, basically in my hometown. Basically in our band's hometown.

It's cool. Riverside, California. Hell yeah. It's fucking nutty. Yeah. One of the birthplaces of a death core. That's insane. It's kind of nutty.

That's insane, yeah. Yeah. And I live in the town over in Corona. Yeah. So it's like Corona. Is that where the beer's from? Huh? Is that where the beer is from?

No. Oh. Weak. I get it. Yeah, it's called the Crown Town. Corona. But yeah, so, so for the show, Cabal,

thank you for giving me for understanding as people. And thank you for giving me a second chance. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right, everyone. That's it. Cabal.

Later. Bye.